The Express. — London, England, 1847-05-04 00:00:00

_. I peeled! Why, he egad net but brew the. the effect of seek • rule would be to piece British industry under a great disadvantage. (Cheers.) An boa. friend of his had given eotice that he sheath' move a clause exempting Ireland from the operation of Ole bill. That was an amendment which, j ut i ca to El= he could not support ; but he must eig that le t theses wee enough, at the present dine, in the state of Ireland, to form good meson why no sash messes should he pissed at cll. He had a teemmutica tam hem Ulster, stating that all the labour of the weavers la that province, during three nights egad de days of the week, was scarcely 'diciest to secure them a livelihood. Were they, then. by legislative iaterference, to drive three men to relinquish the occupations in which they had been brought up, and enter upon other emplisyments, to which then were unaccustomed? If they did so, they would cer tainly do anything but a kindness to the labourer. (Year hear.) Aed this brought hiss to wit how far it was intended that the principle of this measure should be carried ) D.d their contemplate earning it out or not ? Was this to be a flail measure, or were they to go further still? These were questions which were very material, end to which he should be glad of a reel y before they went to a division. Mr. STANSFIELD had no &Wet that, if this bill were varied, pant injury would be done to the workpesple. But the mall manufacturers would also be most injuriously effected ; indeed, unlade machinery could be very greatly improved, this clam must, fur the most part, be ruined. He regretted that parliament was likely to be induced, by popular clamour, to sold another to the long list of useless restrictions upon time. (Cries of" Question "—" Withdraw!") Mr. HUME (who rose amid loud cries of " Oh," and " Divide") expressed his regret that the house should display such great impatience to pass so dangerous a measure as that before them. He was astonished that a majority should he found in the present parliament to put a stop to free trade in labour. Let theta reflect on wh it would be the conse quences if this bill injured cur manufactures to any large extent. Let labour be thrown loose, and who would have to support it? The land would be the victim ; and this was a port which the country gentlemen in that house ought esrionely to consider; 20 or Si per cent, of additional taxa tion surely would be ne benefit in a country already over taxed. ney were bound to reflect also that there was nothing so dangerous to Mover with in this country as capital. Capital - could move, though land could not ; and if capital and labour were withdrawn, land would he nearly valueless. For their own sakes, therefore, let them reject the bill. The house divided—For the third reading 161 Against it The bill then passed. THE GREEK LOAN. On the order of the day for going into committee of supply, Lord J. MANNERS rose to m yes for a return of all moneys paid by Great Britain on account of the interest of the Greek loan, op to the Ist day of January, 1847. The noble lord said that on a former occasion he had expressed his regret at the influence which France had exercised in the affairs et Greece. In the course of last week the committee appointed by the French chambers to investigate the subject of the lean, presented an unanimous report. They declared that they were of opinion that the French nation ought, without ceasing, to watch over the preservation of the rights and interests of Greece, and to continue with firmness and perseverance the generous mission which they had undertaken. "We confide willingly," they said, " to the king's government, • case which has never ceased to be French ; and they expressed an ardent desire that the French policy might be cautioned in the alma spirit, and on the same principles. As regarded the loan, they Nought it would not he consistent with the honour of Francs either to make a demand or to utter a menace in the cam of the pre sent 'apneas and skilful ministry. He (Lord J Manners) had endeavoured to chow, pre vi ously, how far the terms "sagacious and " could be justly applied to Y. Coletti and the finance minister of Greece; and they had learnt since that the hotter had found it necessary te resign 'listens'. He had no wish to censors her Majesty's Greece, ad sent for the course they had pursued with respect to nor h he any desire to see force or menace used to obtain the repayment of the lean. What he desired was that the house should express, in firm and decided has. *nage, an opinion favourable to the independence of that country, whose freedem this country had inaugurated, and whose uselependenes it bed achieved. He woold only add, that in reference to the report to which he had referred, M. Guixot had expressed himself in these remarkable terms: "The sentiments and intentions ex• =in the re port are those which the government of the IL followed, sad will continue to follow, as the rule of its conduct" Lord PALMERSTON said, I wish to state in the first place, that I can have no objection to the production of the papers for which the noble lord has moved, provided he will withdraw his motion for the present, in order that it may not interfere with the other business of the evening. With regard to the general view which the noble lord has taken of the affairs of Greece, I must say that I, in a great degree, concur in that view. The house well knows that the inde pendence of Greece was achieved by the interposition of England, France, and Rued., an interposition which was exercised after a struggle of five or six years between the Greek nation and the Turkish government, and which was weans from the government of the day by the public feeling not only of thin country, but of almost all civilised Europe. The object for which that interoceition took place was to place a nation endeared to every man by ancient recollec tions, and by the achievements of their fathers, in a posi tion of independence, of happiness, and of increasing pro sperity. I am obliged to confess, that hitherto the benevo lent intention which actuated the three powm has not been accomplished. The present internal condition of Greece is hr from being that which her well-wishers desire, and I am afraid that the government now existing in Greece is con ducted on principles of peculation by those who are employed under the crown, and that corrupt practices prevail amongst those who ought to be the guardians of the pooular interests. It is too true, else, that acts of great atrocity are from time he time committed by persons in the employment of the go. volumene and that torture, bohemia in its chat 'env, and re mised in • manner which I would not shock the flea ;lags of the holm by describing, is inflicted on the unoffending inhabi. tants of Greece ; and I lament to my that such tirtures have in one instance been inflicted on an lonian subject enti tled to British protection. We have the confession of the late Minister of Finance, that the revenue is embezzled in its regrew te the Exchequer, and that it is misapplied after. wards • and it was stated in open parliament by the mme minister, that whereas part of the revenue of Greece is de rived from contributions in kind, in grain, for in. stance, from one district which bad supplied on an average of years 180,000 measures of grain for the tressury, not more than 8,000 were rewind last year ; and the excuse offered wok that agents were forced on the Mance Minister, is wen to promote the personal interest of members of the eihmber. It was proved also, that docu ments laid before isselbreent as proofs to show the amount of MUMS received bed hum falsified, and the admission has been weirs SW the sliest stench falsification was to prevent the appear re of a emus,which really existed notwithatand. tag the irebessiersith lest any of the money should be taken Sul fifths sonttry to repay the loan. (Hear.) Although the Ddb mernetent, In connexion with the governments of Pima nod Russia, guaranteed the independence of the Meek states, yet I do not hold that that guarantee gives timmi r any right to interfere with the internal administration et Gasser beyond the point of requiring that the treaty en- Cal°ll2 wkich she faithfully observed . herselfd n to . pay the ver w i e nterr d o e f pion** penal maladministration of Grecian affairs, still boa he deplasd, nor for either of the two other powers, to perelbe to the Greek sovereign who shall be the minister, or what shall be the administration. (Hear, hear.) In 1832, however, a treaty was concluded by which the three guaranteed the interest and the sinking-fund of a powersof 00,000,000 francs; and in order to provide against that charge bring u•necessarily thrown on the three powers, tore was taken, in the wording of the treaty, that the mama should, in the bet retiree, he embed to the &amp a the obligatith entreeted with the - dine S is. vith e Z el e "ffilivie watalt ever d th t =th P :r a th:t i Athim I threat to say that the engagement has been orb* set at ompt ; and the return awned for by the nab Fad will thew that between the yeer 1843 nod the meat time o ament little short of 200,0001. has bees ethanol by tide emery for Greece. If that advance were reulg neserary,l Wien that the same kind of pens sue hake mail& IA the Doltish nation to rusetios the ma. moo tern to Mail& Grecian independence, woad ban hi then to resolve tho application for Bridal millhead verplaing; bat If it appear, as I think j4 11 : 6 4 .6 the Beide oaths the been called u pon to pay the soma of *Nth tor the ran purpose if eretior the adothithades to sem on a aster of panlaties and ow reptier—Oiser, bese)—red the teL ellthet a which is to raider • path net of woe ia pour, I b think that it boom the do* et thine who re abased with the can of the Werth of this earsatry to raw dun app ileatin to the gook menriert to pop theirowsialweenothidnewino. 011owt.j a Feint that then druid be soy lberiehr he the pelothi sathearle of the amble lord. With « the era* of Amapa inIIIMNISSIN all I can say ra e lg that a for se we, the NOM masenat, are coosenied, we have se pertlie or peponderathg Wares in Genet. I emir at all undentead the rearm a the tam " Zs preneh" or " /loath "C ss Zalen " is Chem. bear.) lilrhy, sir, what sibieet no either etc Ten n have to aim at there ? (Hue leer.) I moo the house, that if a 'minister of Greece, be his name what it right, were to send es a bleak bit of ma, with his moo at dr bottom of it, sad were to say, "write above my MIN say asaiiiisaa you please to dictate," gran to lauderl othentepe, whether politica ee oath the nip =ewer whisk ilia I, as wasiikr e r deb to era a earreethollee,, 11011111 I . o t iz E t Ind Pe Ye dr he we main thee Audi inert your eseally se we OD VMS pei SIMI, end lo orb a xessalit es to mho the Oink rad on bo w , oneroal • er. Inththe aft erre dithicra isl e.j l ea 7a , 4 thet would per the hersa this p sa l m eyear debt i ha. ethish we hewn 4 Well. them , if midi be oar hedstal l t i at il impumes *sa mow my H o op form* wkkh woad le awed by la threes any nth who would and theorthea the Ddtli M I as. wholly e.a ler le rammed what vein whisk, it seem, h hum isle raistearee in Onsee et ea chemise whisk is said to be the repeesseative of Petra lamote--(bser, bear)—l rant see what parkelse Fro eldest is to be thereby nosertared. (Hear, hear.) Bold the Prone peeeremat Mak that it is an area% to Now and le the licerit that It is a lthreph then th at the Cheat uthhear be the boa earth* thrm& the Tomb pm*. why lon thy is, that se Mop as the uthirer haft firs endither reinedild Halms. Sonia rip lode sable/ ithy ma be this ern* that jar* IVINT of Moms whit woad 1,0 to ea Alin to the preerith Ppm a thee le which she in IMMO, and her which k h Missal{ to oneeive dot soy nothle 'soli lobe width would be petheilial Off ll* - country or to any ether enentry is Europe. All we wish in, I tweet, that. Greece may be well governed ; and I mast Pay, that, considering the past which this country took is her easaiseipatioa, it is not adz ?unmet, bat it is a duty oa the put of the government of Fingisnd to nee any good offices which may be in her power, consistently with due =for the independenee of Greece, to anise Greece is wlng oat that career which, ea an inferior Mate, the is destined to run. We easy have our opinions as to the capacity of different statesmen in Greece; but, belt governed ill or be It governed well, however we may lament the one or however we may rejoice at the other, we do not pretend to dictate on that point to the government of Greece. We trust that the repreeentations which we have made will I induce Greece to full! in treaty-obligations to England we trust also that the complaints of British subjects will be duly considered by the Greek government; but although we are prepared to give advice to the King and his administra tins, yet we disclaim having any View, connected with Greece on account of which we should wi.h to create a British party separate to tt. feeling% from a party properly called Greek. And, ma regarla those who are commonly celled "the British party" in Greece, I must do them the justice to say that I am - perfectly convinced that the only sense in which they can properly be called • " British party" is this, that they believe the British govern ment wishes sincerely and honestly the welfare of their country ; and I feel perfectly persuaded that there are none unonct them who, if the British government were to ask anything in the slightest degree inimical to the interests, or derogatory to the }townie, of hie country, would not " repudiate the name of British party," and show that they were Greeks ' and Greeks alone. (Hear, hear.) I again my that at another period I shall be most ready to accede to the motion of the noble l or d . . . . Bir R. INGLIS agreed with the noble lord, that the only ground of interference with Greece was the stipulation as te the repayment of the loan. There were but three countries in the world with which England had soy right to interfere —Sardinia (ia reference to the Vaudois), Poland, and Greece. He would have been better pleased bad be seen England and France uniting against the beredinu7 desire of Russia to poetess herself not only of Greece, but of the whole Turkish empire. But whatever the differences of opinion between the two re presentatives of the two greatest powers of Europe, he trusted that there was in both countries sufßc:ent expe rience of the blesdngs of pevae to prevent them from eon. verting these differences of opinion in.° hostilities. Inde pendent of every other eonsidenttion Greece had a powerful claim to the sympathy of every right-thinking mind, In this noble manner in which she had effected her last bloodless revolution. . Sr J. lIANMER eonsidered that parliament should not only demand payment of the debt due to Breland, bat should endeavour to prevent the repetition of the tortures which it had been stated the constitutional government of Greece had inflicted within recent years upon its subjects. Dr. BOWRING vindicated the right of Greece to an es sentially Greek government—Greek in its composition, and Greek in its spirit. He lamented the nomination to the throes of Greece of a foreign king with foreign tastes and foreign tendencies. Mr. P. BORTHWICK expressed his gratification at the statement which had been elicited from the noble lord op posite. Mr. HUME asked whether the noble lord near him had any objection to state whether any remonstrances had been made by England to the Greek government against the acts of tyranny which had been committed by that government, and checking their recurrence / Viscount PALMERSTON said that, both in relent/ice to the torturewhich had been inflicted on an loetan, and to various cam arising oat of the system prevalent in Greece of what was called brigao, or general robbery, the British go vernment had made strong representations to the Greek government. The amendment was then withdrawn. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The house tien:Qii;t7io;liniiiiiof:upisly. The first vote was 117,9891., to defray the expense of the maintenance and repair of public buildings. Mr. HUME expressed his opinion that there should be every year a report of what had been actually done in the past year, in reference to the erection of new, and the repair of ancient public buildings. Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the large amount demanded for the alterations in the royal palaces, and to the number of the palaces themselves, which he considered perfectly absurd. There were eleven royal palaces, one half of which were never inhabited by her Majesty, and probably never seen by her. He complained also of the high rents paid for offices for ecclesiastical aad other commissions. He thought that all ecclesiastical expenses should come out of the re venues of the church. Viscount MORPETH admitted that a great waste of public money erase from the high rents paid for office, for public dewtmants, but the evil was unavoidable until the public afforded government means to provide more extensive permanent accommodation. As to Hampton Court, when it was considered how much rational enjoyment it afforded the public, he felt sure that the amount required for its maintenance would not be grudged by . the house. (Hear.) Dr. BO WRING complained of an item of expenditure for the Isle of Man. lie thought that the expenses of the island should be defrayed out of its own resources. Viscount MORPETH could only explain the item on the suppoeition that it formed part of the terms under which the island came into the possession of the crown. The vote was agreed to. 50,0001. for repairs and alterations of Buckingham Palace, during the year 1847. Mr. HIJME objected to the throwing away of so much money on a ►uiiding which could never be properly adapted for the purpose intended. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that the question the govern ment had met to consider, with reference to the royal reel denee was, whether they should alter Buckingham Palace, or build a new one on a handsomer plan. In his opinion, the latter plan would have been the better, but then it would have incurred an expense of eight or nine hundred thousand pounds, a rum which he feared would not have received the vote of the hon. member for Coventry. He was of opinion that the alterations, as designed by Mr. Store, would be both handsome and convenient. . . . . Mr. WILLIAMS concurred in the view taken by the noble lord, but koped that the sum propoced would cover all the expenditure. Viscount MORPETH said that Mr. Blore•e estimate did not exceed 150,0001., and that they hope/ to save some items even out of that sum. Votei g eeed to. 5,5031. to defray the expenses of a palm-house in the royal gardens at Kew. After a few words from Messrs. Hume and Wit memo, the vote was agreed to. 17,7091. to &fray expenses of temporary homes of par liament. . . . . . . Mr. iITTME wished to know when the house might expect a detailed account of these expenses, and also when they were likely to get into their new house. (A laugh.) Viscount MORPETH would use all diligence respecting the ea:mints, but could make no promise respecting the new building. (laughter.) Sir R. INGL( thought that the accounts in question should be submitted to a committee. He feared that without soma such step on the part of the benne, they would never get into the new building. Dr. HO WRING thought that some such steps as had ex pedited the Home of Lords, should be tried by the Commons to get the apartment intended for their deliberations com pleted. Mr. 0017LBURN reminded the boo, gentleman that there was an Arises reason why the new Louis for the lords had been Waal before that for the einamons, in the fart that very awash, to their own hiesaveadence the lords had (lei withSok der thee to the enamor, rifling up thewerhse es wetwest wholly issdeguate for the wpm rf Ode Mks. Xs Om& It math owe desirable Dot the weds thislip ea Nwereirgy, Sim diet by be k teg seded th oy ass Id. es tre•M probably be the wee, after wards Awl le bags west mem Is abrades& The k &meld W the delay be rammbsiod, were net mirth* . Biz DE L. DYADS resisialted that if there wee ne hiseaveniessee, that argaziont night be carried to the sliest st raying there wee so seed of a new Amber at A. It they were to have a new kwars, they should know wham it Wald be ready. He weleseeell that the writhed wee =ais bending wow is er twelve pekoes tar ea wry mai grotleetwa wbs would wet well, awl the weak wee OM the paddle baileys were Leal I. RUSSELL bawd th: l a seil astolter was wit hassei ea to the redoes so wwwersest pressothe Mtn has *dew doe ettesties to the nylelles of the sew yokes. It the - lame aired that the moil raw bathe risehl be amplthed with alleeerdbery yowle d*, assay seeswery kw that pupae, the leit well Where is elfsetiss. Es, however, uswered with the right his, member kr (=Cthiekleg that then was so mew for extra u in rry, and that it was beteer to allow the Width. 10 premed gradually. soti=to the complaiat of en How. Hums, of the kr setellthiededes he the losiliellet ethwelthoe sew weld be bdiered tight mow eastiellks seem r i shl oT b l imil as ram lrerill ley week. Xr. • kwer OWthat sow ewer shaft bed at lesgth been Ism %Wynn the 31E' mil Dr. WM, is regard to the wothelies et titr Las eider that all further d ma &et He comeeired that the Isom of wield =2lllll, Gas °thinks by the Howe et Lori beisg Mi leek as the giddiest, bwalgag by lie as mimeo of that been weak se delf t by swift web I elaborate theiredise. i s amber lor the Hennes boom eale~ll_!_r Mow) Lord KORM= bed etheffies et Widths. that t i t „ cr . is Awes barest Xr. Dewy wel Dr. Hold, ineseithie eyseptent et as .arable slow ere* Ow bed hitherto disc Mew, wad $ 10 400 Xr. CIE esseldered the now HMSO et Leath se well adapted the the man swialla tag bil ekt i lie — wti v r e f drrxr d hot e ss . of prime& Is to_ this vote M. W. ILLIAXI esewdelsed et the 11•011.111111 ma et MAW. beett=dsd is the desseelkso et thew, Hew et Ueda. at the Ikea whisk sew es r t a g d r i rwrketwr suipsta that the pawls alwald If teems eyeing of swim ..sass w on e rsi:2rpemil la the eeswledes et kw we prim Dr hdldbei, ho Ulm. that the tohd ea = 7 06 . 1:111: ertfirg webeete, en d ue to hoe • •••alettht ow, g:mu et these sow " beer world b• wraith of (Hew hew.) _He bees hthentrl were ;et wasses t• lbw the sew Nam et Lade w= both.' ea l• PRI mows% (" eo.") WA 1111 1011111 thee the rem. Ins uhrialkid. He asemildheed ant the pewit who l gay tot Sher we* fe be skewed to risk thew a le tree wiry dan b al l = heeds se midi Not Wed= with the Widmer .he hew. (Hier THE 'RESS, ' Ha eddied to Elam whether plans and estimates hod been :La p k ia by Dr. Bea. of the oast of ventilating lbs new or whether he—ellhe Kr. Berm who, of mons, son salted only his &inanition—was to be allowed to go as wi to7:l t ;l e b ra ltt t'47lPeteiceived that Mr. Barry and Dr. Reid, to whom the home had left some discretion would the gisa, and that it weld be earhodeed. " D i t e irOTTEß.oll.—While tho et sreigteetare adapted ht the new 4-a' —which be gesseekes buseereprisae, and, at the same time, Mot MM. sive—asherleir Mr. Barry from the charge of sassy log only his own glorification. Mr. Barry had mined every desire to make the beildiag suitable sad OW mamas for its purposes, std though the sea was Indenbtedly very great, he did not believe it lad ben Ia• assaiel seatrary to the wish of the maim, for they had beard sift ta b to e on that head. with regard the style, observed that the ellmandee of !lute, with two exceptions only, were unani mous in favour of that which had been adopted; but Mr. Barry bad pledged himself that he could carry out the whole work for 750,0001, In this matter the Woods and Forests were to blame, as they were the parties who should have exercised control ever the architect, but having .sanc tioned the innumerable deviations from the original plan, they found control war impossible. He war sorry to my that, notwithstanding the enormous expenditure, the build ' lag weld be unsuitable, both externally and internally, for the for which it was designed. There war only one ben width the aut could penetrate to the new hearse; we dee aaeillawe, and them it war to be shut out by Ole 11111011111•1111 Victoria Tower. He wished to beew what was to be done as to the ventilating and warming &NM Mr. Berry end Dr. Reid 'gain &sorb*? Lard MORPETH, with regard to the estimate, believed Mr. Barry's original estimate referred to the building, exclu sive of the internal decorations. The Woods and Forests bed nothing to do with deciding upon those decorations; all =do in the matter was to check the amounts, and to money to be paid. As to the ventilation, he had ilemillea Dr. Reid to prepare detailed plans, which he had admitted to the architect; and he hoped there would be no difficulty in carrying them out. It was unfortataate, no doubt, that a =cement control had been given on this sub ject to two persons—(hear)—but he had done his beet to obviate the inconvenience ari-ing therefrom. (Hen.) Mr. ESCOTT hoped there would not be that enormous iresatity of gilding mid painting in the new House of mindCom se isfigured the House of L•rds. MORPRTH replied that all the other parts of the new banding would be Numbed in a much plainer style, end without gilding altogether. The vote was agreed to, as were 11,4851, for taking alma and rebuilding the Home-office and enlarging the Beard Tirade; and 4,4291. for Holyhead Harbour, Roads, an—. 10,8001. for Harbours of Re'uge. On this vote, Capt. FITZROY brought forward the claims of Newhaven as a harbour of refuge. The south coast was at present most defenceless, both as against the incuraions of the sea or the descent of foreign foes. The secretary to the Admiralty bad admitted, and it had also been shown that Newhaven was the best port for defence and refuge. (The hon. gentleman then read extracts from the reports of the commissioners appointed to inquire into the best sites for harbours of refuge, in 184-5; of Mr. Rennie, in 1810 ; of Mr. Walker and Capt. Washington, ehuwisg the value of New haven es s harbour of refuge, and a depot for war steamers.) was also important to remark, that a railroed to New bloat was nearly completed, which plaeod it within an hour and a bale, London, and if it was made a depOt for war elleaMme, the supply of coal could never be cut off ; the re venue of the harbour was improving so rapidly, that the proprietors were willing to agree, if the government gave them some assistance, to =mtee to pay over all the surplus after they had aned the private obligations which had been incurred. All he asked was, that the government aheuld appropriate part of the suns voted for harbours at refuge to Newhaven, SO so to make a sufficient depth of water for war-steamers to eater there. The cost of the plan, as estimated by Mr. Walker, was only 150,0001., the expenditure of which must be spr ead over at least three years ; and all be silted was that 40,0001. should be applied now or next year to this wpm. With regard to the proposition for a harbour of rehear at Dover, he would only say that it would cost an Masemeus sum, and that part of the coast wee not so unpro tected as the south. Mr. CURT EIS had listened to the speech of the hon. member for Lewes, and as be had omitted to mention the harbour of a place which he (Mr. Curteis) represented —(!aughter)—he should not be protecting the interests of his constituents if he did not say that, while he wished to place no obstacles in the way of obtaining a harbour of refuge at Newhaven, he yet hoped that the government would remember that he had the honour to represent a port and harbour—('aughter)—which was a very good one,sad likely to be improved by its connexion with the South-Eastern Railway. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that Newhaven was recommended by the commissioners after Dover, but the report stated that the latter port was of the first importance. Capt. FITZROY explained. Dr. BOWRINO thought a strong ease bad been made out with regard to the harbour of Douglas, and he wished to know whether the attention of the government had been directed to that port. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that _ _ _ representations had been made as to various harbours, and the government thought those harbours moat entitled to con sideration which were proved to be in the best situation u harbours of refuge and for the defence of the coast. In reply to Capt. HARRIS, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the harbour of Harwich was it.elnded in the Tote. The vote was then agreed to. The house then resumed and the chairman reported proems RAILWAYS, &c. (IRELAND). On the bringinri up of this report, Mr. HUME mid he biopic' the goverameht would not involve themselves by the proposed advance until money matters were in a more encouraging state. Mr. S. CRAWFORD potponed his motion for a national rate on the income of Ireland, for the purpose of defraying the experses of public works. Mr. HUDSON did nut think that railway speculation had had anything to de with the state of the money market. He hoped the fovernment would watch the progress of this grant, and if they were convinced that it tended to the prosperity of the country, which he was sure it would, he trusted they would follow it up by_similar votes. After a few words from Mr. W. WILLIAM, the report was received. ___ AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS BILL Tle seam Vi this biU wee - postponed till a future day. POOR LAW. _ _ _ Sir G. OBEY, in moving fo r leave to being in a bill to amend the laws relating to the relief of the poor in Eng land, explained that the object of the bill would be confined tothe administration of the laws and constitution of the body to whom the general superintendence of the poor-law was to be confided. In 1842 the Poor-law Comm/awn which was ori&ally temporary in its duration, and which led been renewed from time to time, was continued for a further period of fire yearn, which would ex ire in the cosine of the present summer, and the Poor-law Commiedon would cease to exist at the end of the session of 1848. but at the com _ ;;•.71.70tTi the preeen:t aTaaTe;iii;;;bl;l3;i; the First Lord of the Treasury, Informed the house that the subject W twoupiesl the attention of the grearamet, sad le dated the geserel views entertained by the most der eme to the soleject. The noble lord this Meted that the eseenweent hod determined not to pro te parliamont a ea— of the existing Poor-law Coma' , in; hat he aloe dated that it wee the intention of the gemeemeed be mho& bperlimeat a measure involving ea edmielvo latanla Iles auditation of the body by whose the peer sto be ehedoittewl. The gememmat bed Mt, IS a mend seadderetlea of the subject, sad halms balk re the milord made& _prier to 1834, of the wedded of the he wn whew, that the reasons which led, in 1834, te the aim ties of IMOD genera central authority to =A an dam& the peer-law, odd dell in force, could not be with. (Him, hear.) They were of opinion that h at impaled', without some central authority, to sward .pleat the evils which had grown nil wader the brow system, which were unitedly mademed, sad odd& he believed no one wished to me re sews& It wee hit that it would not be soh to weer to. load naehooked matt esseedrelled by way esotrel authority. e, bear). C ni weeeemot oleo Out it wee inmate lobe wes, X eet of peellemest, law, that weldaest, be spelled theeeshret under the varying dramatise. Owl . Mk t ache. leer). They right lay dews rood WO" but the gerummat feh that there mad he maw audrel an heeded writ hoe dherellemor peace, la order, in ;bog thew he tells etwolier- Wee the eg okeenetessee affirm* Mid* et the hairy, 'Ed era, frill lime to thae, of the sae aloha Tim or.. the gesellea, ia whit way this waslobe sow stitsteloall what itesstere wee to be. Is likwheatbe ss tai e *nip in the pear-law teat hosegagogir e t i etrablethatthe perms tubes. Its we to be pieced theoli be dieleeitemor=willt amt, that they should be rememl tram hem ead party lalloomes which re • metal* es all am who took pert la the politicall=hdesair g estl i of the day, aid that no path& eltareeter theold be eta thew. rare we .sell to be ore id la toms semi as w ri et that Bet looking be* te the openties of n Er i e d ar—to the olgaelleme made la may wee to ale sb whateetiew. ma to Ile imperitet maw la 'Mit hid bees eut la AM bra" be etedeeed eat the t whisk hod been made et seek Ile eireesserst lad see beta j by eoperhose—bed se net bete filo. sera (her hear); and he believed that the low bad wetted la a leer estiehehey Romer the M wad it s dillowd ensegewint bed beat mode le 1611/ Tb psereter elartiodoeste wee pe bee imprethrely ellemei, sod they we Mien ded while they were 21111111•111111 the b roloome nee of b. • Auk whisk epeetted ea labile nee who were White le be Gelled to esesowl la pediemed kr the 1111110111100 their Mimi *abet, owl to sorteee Iwo le Ibis to thole wind. (air, bow) It wee et the sews thee am. mho sue emodese et havihrested herwady, hood tirt elm tbd;r i z z ere iseresowl thy oweid IBM of tide tewheek owl hove a hie end Item Seem et Graiew. (How.) In Wh i ts the admialetrotlea of the goir-law woo deholive—it woo &Wive in It. reepweiblaqf to polimat, aid la the lapeolbet mem pained y the etwalwkware Itrdd4 their eels. The pitelole stir smoome saw pewee' to tie born vas the sem en bed bus imssari laths plot oldie eselea by his amble *l l6l6 te se tbe "l".ig ileeet xadhsomt.e er iriall Tho providowtot wield be soh www tem eat pladole. It wee prowed that the prime of the pro. mm B lemmlaw ieseseleieaers should ems from a "dill eq. Is be baysifte timed ; that the sows 4, 1847. letiosid uwa /or tha plan elks affsissot hulk. ..t oda t i Mtiet . • appoint Minindmianare ie , the peer-law, en the Hoard if Ccestkol /sr the administrates of tke Wk. It MN Shit the board Auld ten eit of l ied = i wbo lieZpreadhle for the ordi nary 111 d ao dim would be tasse lled,* whir waYlb of dm cabinet. These rs d e Sate, of r t t?, " and elitltth e Lord Privy Chaneellnr of dm It wooloMmeell that two sseretaries should be tai be timea sk pogollooll owl one of the Sette - Men WW I & b it sellosest. He did not mon ho Off thirt brut should meormafty have seats in that Itomo,lolloll moo of them shoat have a mat in it. The pewee of the present commissioners would be transferred to the new board, with some difference ma to the manner in which they were to exercise their functions. As the law stood at present, the general rules had to be submitted to the Secretary of State forty days before they came into operation, and at the end of forty days these rules were to take effect, subject, however, to be removed by certiorari to the Court of Queen's Bench, where they might be impugned. At first it was suggested that these rules should only be made by order in council, but on considering the subject more fully, it appeared that this would be giving a higher sanction to the rules than wu thought desirable. It was now therefore proposed, that the general rule, should not be made without the joint signature of the president and two cabinet ministers. They would be indieet to disallowance by the privy council, and also subject inutipatian as at present is the Court of Queen's Bench, mild& imp amid ma* be if originally made by order in wromell AO promed the peer law commissioners were bound le make an usual report to the secretary of state. As the meretary at Mete would now be a member of the board, it wu sot pursed that the report should be addreseed to him, but to the crown, which report would also be laid before parliament. (Hear, hear.) It was intended that the beard should have the power of appointing a certain number of inspectors, who would discharge the duties now performed by the assistant commissioners. It was left for future consideration in what way their duties were to be performed. He thought that a better system might be devised than wu at present in operation as regarded the amistant commissioners. It wu found by experience , . that the existing number of assistant commissioners was toe small. (Hear, hear.) They were at present limited to nine. It was now proposed to incresge the number from 9 to 12 inspectors. Such were the principal proviaiena of the bill now proposed. It was one which must be considered as ex perimental, and it was, therefore, proposed that this commis sion should only last for five years, which would necessarily bring the subject under thenotice of parliament again. He had now stated the principle of the bill and the reasons which induced him to propose it. He purposely avoided all matters which might lead to discussion. If the house al lowed him to bring in the hill, he proposed that it should be read a second time that day fortnight, which would afford ample time for hen. members to consider its details. (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman concluded by moviog for leave to bring in the 611. Mr. FERRAND wanted to know whether it was the in tention of the government to appoint any of the present com missionen to the new board, because, if it was, it would be the duty of some member of that house to bring the subject for ward with a view of deciding whether, after the ex posure of the Andover union committee, any of those persons was competent to fulfil the arduous duties required of a poor-law commissioner. (Hear, hear.) He also wished to know whether it was the intention of the government to leave the unions of their present use. Some of them were so extensive that the poor had to walk 10 and 12. and in some cases 30 or 40, miles, to make application. (Hear, hear.) This was a great hardship, and ought to be remedied. He also wished to know whether the present district auditors were to remain in power. They were more cruel and insulting than even the commis sioners themselves, and ought to be speedily get rid of. He should also like to know whether the law under the new bill would be put in operation with all the cruelty and °premien of the present law,because if that was the intention, it would raise an agitation in the country far greater than that which carried the ten hours bill. He rejoiced that the new general rules were not to be signed by the Queen, the sovereign and mother of her people. The proposed alteration in the board waa also for the better; but he strongly objected that three cabinet ministers should have the power of making regulations for the poor. which were to have the force of laws. With such • proposition in the bill, the right honourable gentleman was not going to rest on a bed of rase,, even in carrying the measure through parliament. Of al! parties, none was so unpopular i¢ the country as the whips, and for them to make laws for the poor was one of the most preposterous propositions ever propounded to parliament. (Laughter.) All he could ay was that on this day fortnight he would be ready to give the bill his most strenuous opposition. Mr. W. MILES thanked the government for the present proposal, because he was of opinion that the existing system had not worked satisfactorily for the last three years. He thought that in the fi rst instance it was necessary that a great degree of authority, not subject to the interference of parliament, should be confided to those entrusted with the sup , rintendenoe of a poor law. Now, however, the law was understood throughout the country, and circumstances were I altered. He did not agree in what had been said by the hon. member for Knaresboreugh respecting the district auditors. He thought that, in many instances, attacks were made aeainst the law which the law could very well bear. He re collected that the hon. member who had just spoken had cheered over and over again the sentiment that it was per fectly impossible that a law could be put into effect in the same way in every ease i that the law must vary, and that it would produce hardship in some cases while it produced benefit in others. What they wanted was an expansive law they did not want an unbending rule. The right hon. baronet had given them a promise that the law would be flexible, and that the responsible body would be able to meet ' the circumstances of each case. That was the poor-law which they were so much in want of. He expressed a hope that the commissioners may not be named as twelve in number, but that it may be left to the council to recommend the number required in their annual report to parliament. He thanked the government for the bill which they proposed, believing that it would be met with the greatest satisfaction throughout the country. All the government wanted was ' energy, and a sincere desire is carry oat this systee of I poor-law, to make it a perfect and of measure. ' Sir W. JAMES said that, notwithstanding the difficulties which existed in this case, the government, in his opinion, had taken the best course that was open to them. He thought that the remark that fell from the right hoe. baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, that the poor-law bad not worked well since the year 1844, was one which very few in that house would not admit to be true. With regent to the president and secretary having a l ent in the Howe of Commons, it met with his full concur rence ; end it must have struck every member of the house on a late debate, when the right hon. member for Dorchester had to pus to and fro from his matte the president of the poor law commission, how much better it would have been if the ' latter had a seat in that house, to enable him, in a manly and straightforward way, to meet the many attacks that were directed against hint. He thought also that the government had acted wisely in Increasing the number of assistant commissioners. _ _ . Mr. HUME mid that he was not at all satisfied that the government were about to adopt the wisest course. He objected to their adding two members of the privy council to the board of commissioner". They were thereby adding to the difficulty of throwing the re sponsibility on any individual. Her Majesty's government would do much better by establishing a local inspectirm by an increased number of men who were capable of attending to their business. He thought that it would be better to have one responsible individual, with one secretary to assist him, than having a board. By throwing the responsibility on • proper person, they would have a greater chance of having matters well conducted. He did not know who the head of this proposed board would be, but he hoped that no one belonging to the present board would be placed in that . . Mr. HENLEY bad that when any change was made in the poardaweerstaeton, those rules which' Wag experience bad paved to be peel, would have been made law by ad of pagiusest. No pester evil existed than that of the per baby essitantli ssase sahle d eted to the vary tog regulations of a herd. He the proprietty of constituting the bead of sagebers of** Any one who had semplant Is sake weak, miler seek a sys- tem, be natty the rheas weight el geharaset Wham ; end say dirge of a maim Minn woad be tressed ohms ups ha goverareset. Bs thought he pails would Loh apse he bawd es the aim gag; ever apia under a new bee. The great to be prised wee, after all, du responsibility. In tie Udmurt inquiry, and all the other inquiries hitherto they hal Geer been able to lay their band on the individual in halt, ear, hear.) He otr to the legislative and 'vs authority vested in the WY 'SAM. The evils connected with irreeputibleswe Pahl see r be bend, be cured by the prepred elteraties. He ewsplabied that me power was mated to amp' he Pegg of relief h err ahoy it WU net .A.. ad. la gag wiped the systems would be Ma dded, opsrallsg oath* the peer. The espeehdag power Weld be Ne e Iles adopted to pretest the peer them to says the the-hag the egrets et lariat espadhare. riLord H. Sand astbieg wee Wart peseellaps. sme than that the rose she druid set be la every part of the eoemtey emd he dew net te mo ve so was to De stahed, la mg body a gamed pewee elwasel vel Volbplelisa. He in the °Poise that it wer e eladetely easessery Ilia tion of the its ermine druid be candidly einsidered ; but be thought that psalm ehishl be dealt with mess= with the law ell settlesseeasup t. ea_ sibi (He lity ar, , bum 11 1 1 1 1 41 ) lie on the hill, amoiderai ae a while, with pest haw. As regarded the questint of Mei reasarklec.. ist the paha plated at the lB beal. d the beard waddles se Ises ragendbie Visa say hember s ama r a le a r ; rennet was he the aisiar g e of bis functions. lir. SAMOA said the question which the house would have te hal& whea the bill cane ea to be digered was, whether the giggerder kind ef habil whisk was hew pe rm& Wee het hit erehl be egiblithed. (Heer.) He held net pat mph diet a ape simple Pea bad sot ladi ti bar MahetWu Was. He saw so hrowskofedatuittes lbe t .add H theiber neder.eseretery bed bessapplabli hrhe =er Deplagral, there would bare best me hineafily la steryfas eat ewe an latent. Be did net sea* the - gereeauest of • 8114 :E: bog to create saw pet urge, but he ealk a light hem esessore waald seemly bo sessided by the public. Ihr gee thought ea lesseseehry westlea of MOM not rea. gay wee there ne e s = 6: 1 1 11 1. 14. leg a tsp. He agreed la he of the M lthlt raegbar hr Montrose to the of es& hinds. The OM if the India board was sat at an la plat ; hr he obeita- Wan wen Melly diedgnar. goon rid it would be very Meth to ware a area he the his. gentleman who was to 11l the ellso el sowelery ; eta la hat an., the poor-law Witt Owego. TM mine kr the MadM i t=lre Plate, Monte Video, Perms,- Malik% mai yrea, will be made up an the =ein a die Mit My. The moils for Arlin, ppm% name, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar, will be made no erithe awriwg of the 7th May. The mesiand eland We Mareeilles, to the Mediterranean, Egypt, Aden, Cerium, WY, Imp, M., will be mode op on the e mobs.' etas tut Map. The Wee it max, emiedletg atm for Menlo,, Honduras, and the Minueemb. MN be made up se Um maim of the rah May. TM wills ber IMO\ Were Matelee. Monsuda, and the Hutted Shim, Mil be mob up ea Me eumbeenbe lith May. The esweleari mails ter Thaler Mel4,oresee, the lonian Wanda, rsrept,Aibm,Oeylon, Isala,Mseramtic h iCblm, sas boutlinnsposm, will be imam up ea th e taerampeelhe May. The mils for New Meek Wass, Via Dfeeee4 Led, and New Zialeadwill be male up on Me mmimy et dm Slat May. TO CORRESPONDENTS. ...• Advertissmaida Wended or The Exprese,Lhelka eeenhin paper, must be at t dike by Two o'clock on the day at publication. HIGH WATER AT LONDON-BRIDGE. TM DAT —Manila', IS M. pat 4; Afterocou. 31 rata. past 4. Toßtaisom —lgerabg. 50 .IL pant 4; After .11 AAA put S. LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 4. La the Howie of Lords yesterday, the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in answer to the Earl of ST. GERMANs, intimated that the subject of rating of tithes under the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill, should receive the fullest consideration before the measure passed.—The Marquis of Weems Earn, in an explanatory speech, moved a resolution to the effect that the existing laws of landlord and tenant in Ireland—more particularly in consequence of the imposition of increased burthena and new responsibilities on land—were such as to render revision and amendment indispensable.—The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, having objected to the mo tion on the ground of its conveying a general censure on the laws without pointing out a remedy, while it would be highly inconvenient to enter upon so diffi cult a subject for legislation at the present period of the session, suggested the withdrawal of the motion, which was withdrawn accordingly. In the House of Commons, Lord PALMERSTON, in answer to Mr. Oftooma, replied that no information had been as yet received relative to the fate of Mr. GRAHAM, who had been left on the coast of Africa.— Mr. F. MAULS., in answer to Mr. BOUVERIE, stated, that officers in the army or navy employed on the relief committees in Ireland would not be exempted from being called upon for foreign service, in conse quence of their prevent oompations.—Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to Lord LINCOLN, said he could not fix a day for the second reading of the Health of Towns' Bill, until Lord Mosier= had had an opportunity of seeing certain parties and considering their objections, when possibly it might be desirable to expunge some partsof the bill, and &sr others.—Lord PALMERSTON, In answer to Mr. Boirwwwx,observed that the en aunts of the quadruple alliance did not apply tfo l t e e existing state of things in Portugal, inasmuch as that treaty had reference only to a disputed succession, which was not the came in the present instance. The British government were most anxious to bring about an accommodation between the contending parties in that country, and every effort would be made to effect so desirable an object —Mr. FIELDEN having moved the third reading of the Factory Bill, Mr. TREIAWNY moved that it be read a third time that day six months, Mr. LEADER seconding the motion, who was followed by Mr. LABOUCHERE, Mr. STANSTIELD, and Mr. Hums, in opposition to the measure, and Mr. Gatiminircm in its favour, when the house divided, the third reading being carried by a majority of 63, the numbers born 151 to 88.—Lord J. MANNERS, in moving for a return of all moneys paid by Great Bri tain on account of the interest of the Greek loan Ep to the Ist Jan., 1847, expressed his deep regret at the influence which France had exercised in the affairs of Greece, and was desirous that the house should ex prfte, in arm and decided language, an opinion favourable to the independence of that country.— Lord Pcmotitsros, after detailing the means by which the independence of Greece had been aehieved,—the peculation which had been carried en by the Greek government, in order tO prevent the appearanee of a surplus in the public amounts, lest any of the money should be taken out ct the cionntry to repay the loan, maid he did not me that inured, France, or Russia could inter face with the Internal administration of Greece be- ~. yond the point of requiring that the treaty n ap . menta by which she bound herself to p a y the m°o of the loan should be faithfully observed. A s regretted to say that the treaty of 1832 had been st at nought, and the return moved for by the notd o lord would show that little short of 200,00C1. h a d been advanced by this country to Greece. After sons further observations u to what were termed the " & m i en ," *. French," and " English" potti es a t Greece, the noble lord said on a future occasion Iss should be happy to accede to the motion of the noble lord.—After some further observations from several hon. members, the motion was withdrawn, and the house went into committee of supply on the miecello. neow , estimates ; the principal subjects of discussion being the new Houses of Parliament and harbours of refuge.—Sir G. GREY moved for leave to bring in a bill for the administration of the laws for the relief ti the poor in England—the principal object of whi c h is, the formation of a board similar to that o f th e oard of Controul, the president and one of the mew. hers to be eligible for seats in parliament, and the Lord President of the Council, the Lord Privy S et t one of the Secretaries of State, and the Chancellor al the Exchequer, to be ex qfiei,, members of the bound. After some discussion, the bill was brought in and read a first time. No election within the memory of man has excited so little general interest as that which is now ap proaching. We all remember the eagerness wit► which the chances of every doubtful contest were discussed in 1841, and the rumours, hopes, sad prophecies which crowded the columns of the news papers. At present, we should not only be embar rassed for want of materials, if we wished to occupy any large portion of our space with electioneering topics, but we should probably undertake a tank which would be little rewarded by the interest which it would excite in the public. As the time draws nearer, we shall no doubt have to record the move ments of different constituencies ; but for the present, in most parts of the country, there seems to be a na tural inclination to postpone as long as pcesi ble the annoyance of preparations for the election. There can be little doubt that the new parliament will contain a large majority, wh o w ill b e generally disposed to support the present government, though many of them will reserve to themselves liberty to withdraw their political adherence, if mea sures of which they may disapprove are subsequently brought forward. As both the government and parliament will act with greater boldness and free dom when the dangers of giving offence to consti tuencies are over for the time, questions will probably soon arise which will cause a broader demarcation of parties than that which at present exists. In the mean time, it is desirable to draw some advantage, if possible, from the intermission of party controversy ; and we know of no better result which could arum from the comparative indifference of electoral bodies to the colours of their candidates than inereased can ton in scrutinising the pretensions of the candidates themselves. It is very natural that, in the excitement of a mn test, attention should be paid rather to the opinions which a candidate professes, than to his qualifications, either for forming soand opinions, or for giving effect to them in parliament. All parties concerned have their minds made up for the time about all points. Every possible political question is supposed to come under one of two heads—the lump of opinions which candidate A holds, and the lump of opinions which candidate Bis pledged to. That the fortunes of the country may depend on a right decision of ices question which neither A nor B have ever thought of, is a contingency toe remote to be calculated on; bat when it arrives, the honesty and capacity of those who have to decide it is much more important than the colours which they may have worn at the last election. There never was a time when it was more difficult than it is at present to anticipate the nature of the political controversies which may lie before us. Colo. nial, imperial, social, and commercial questions may arise, which may occasion entirely new divisions of party, and render existing watchwords quite inap cable. What they will be cannot be foreknown, bat it may be safely laid down that the right solution of them will never be furthered by the honesty of a scamp or the brains of a blockhead. . . . ... Few will deny that the county constituencies have shown themselves peculiarly indifferent to the intel lectual qualifications of their representatives. Thq have for the meet part openly avowed the principle of selecting members of parliament lessfor their know ledge and political experience than for their load pm-eminence in number of acres or of ancestors, or for their power to meet the necessary expenditure el • contest. We have seldom found it possible to *e vince a county voter that the dulness or polities! ignorance of a candidate formed any serious objection to his claims. " His vote is just as good as say other," is the usual answer, "and. it would never have done to pass over Mr. C. of I).," or, as the case may be, "Lord E.'s eldest son." We are lot, however, without hopes that the condition of the protectionist party may have opened the eyes of many who have hitherto looked in the choice of a member ex clusively to family and party. The awkward, blander ing, and presumptuous individual whom the country party has selected as its leader, has, we believe, given general dissatisfaction to those who in a moment d hurry and confusion placed him at their heed. We are well aware that even among themselves there am many who, both as speakers and politicians, axe greatly superior to the " great statesman" of the Standard. But the choice, under any circumstances, of so incompetent a chief,must have been a mortifying confession of the general want of ability among a large body of the representatives of the land. It is certainly not from a wish to strengthen the BENTINCK party in the next parliament that we wish to see among them a large infusion of fresh and more vigorous blood ; but we look upon them as having be come rather a class than a party, or, if still a party, as certain, in a short time, to be dispersed and absorbed by other political bodies who, possessing more definite purposes, will enjoy a stronger vitality. Although, from habit, the protectionist party may support the navigation laws, or take a particular line on West Indian and other isolated questions, it is quite certain that the interests of themselves and their constituents will henceforth lie in the opposite direc tion. No human being is farther removed than a country gentleman or a farmer from quixotic and self denying theories- When be is no longer protected, 1 there is little reason totem his zeal for protection in the abstract. The party which still, from habit, clings together in parliament, will find that there es no longer anything corresponding to it in the emery. The classes who always have resisted, and always will, in the long ran, resist, innovation, are at present unueually indisposed to resist the removal of abatis. If Mr. Fox's " foolorneter," who always repressed the prevalent opinions of the nation, was now alive, he would talk, except perhaps oa the no-ponmy question, like a statesman and a philosopher. - It b with persona who are capable of taking a hint beet the "ooh lometee that we wish to see the places d some of the more ignorant aad obstinate membered the opposition supplied at the next election. If that still are constituencies who wish to resist all imposes ment, it would be desirable that they should slot representatives who can at least understand the measures which they oppose. In political dimming it is even more true than in literature, that " shag no-meanings puzzle more than wit." From the more able representatives, however, If the constituencies which now supply the cements 0 the protectionist benches, we anticipate more that negative good. There will probably at the open* of the new parliament be found a moderately stress minority, who will nominally take the place of the present Barerisrit party ; but we fully been that the most capable and best-informed of the body , will be virtually free from party nee, &a inclined to more modern and practical ways d thinking. In the eale_inty that the Mid* BENTINCK party will be Man up in two rat at the terthest, want of a pupa* a semi* a that a heeler, IFOOMillift that its ham norm Waver intwent than its in .promehl.f b r e it 0/11111 Mild= d haw and wady. Mir lam been one is the toot IMO semit 12 seer remained le ; but of thole who coal to vow wren, it I ad the tools who mania to voefe I°' t_ As we proem little favour et &intik _ _ party to whim we are now lalliet e gigkiebi"j i Mint that eat emaals Amid assailed 1 ; bat oar prepesel ie. at WA • fir W. am admiral; to 4 , int peitien—in the hapa 8 11 7 a; blot after et prolibig by ft thametem • eon upon thaw when we frisk in maw. to • 1061 " . " adywat ' ll 4 Oak Itia!••• knowing that saga sio cake will be meet may% prehe the true interests d , cowheits would have no representative In this int. lie would sew* recoraneend the government CIO= new pow under the control of the !secretary Ike Cg arse@ ds =t. Ho concurred with the hon. vasulker Resette. in thinking that the unions penally wee be large, and that an alteration is that respect was Impastirdi required. Lord J. RUSSELL said that so far as the government IPSO concerned, instead of desiring any increase of patronage, by far the most convenient course for them would have been to have a law which regulated all the points in relation to the whet, bar.) poor, which wide the administration local, and relieved the g overnment rnirmase n t 13 e state fro m gs e u o n f de ati rlhe ab old ( Hear,law ever hardship or ab ih n c; se tit:ia arose, no one thought of blaming the government. But, moat people would be of opinion that, as was the case in 1834, when the administration of the law varied se much that it was impossible to bring the whole esramry to adopt one and the same system,--m, at the went time, after 13 or 14 years' administration thins were still such very great diversities, that it would net be prudent, advisable, or safe to bring all parts of the country under the same general rules. For that reason, the government had thought it necessary to have some central authority, by whom the rules might be applied or relaxed as advisable. The three hon. mrmbers who had last spoken complained that the bill did not give re.ponsibility ; but the noble lord, the member for Durham, had taken a far more correct view of the plan proposed by government. They did not propose that each member of the board should act on his own separate opinion, but that one person, the president, should have the same authority in the poor -law administration, as the presidents of alts Board of Contr.l and of the Beard of Trade, had in their respective department'. It was desirable, at the same tins, that some member of the government should be informed on the points brought before the board; and, instead of making an additional department its the office of the Secretary of Sta'e, they proposed to constitute an. w officer. That was • point which the house might afterwards consider in COII. mittee. But, at least, it could not be said that there +isnot renon4bility, for the head of the board would be the per= responsible, and mainly and chiefly answerable for any eon plaints that might be made. It had been asked why this power was not given to the Secretary of State. Having had some experience in the Home office, he thought that far too meth of the administration of the day was thrown upon that older. (Haar, hear). The secretari. sof state had great interests placed in their hangs; the home secretary was responsible for the peace of the country, the security of person and property, and the general administration of the criminal law. These matters were sufficient to occupy his whole attention, and to engage his whole responsibility. But if, in addition, he had to concern himself with the ' details of factory bills, of workhouse dietaries, and other matters, his power would be very muck diminished of paying due attention to the great subjects which were I krmerly solely committed ta his charge. It was an advantage in this bill, that the home secretary, instead of beings's , * involved in, was more separated from, the general rdmis- Dation of the poor-laws. He must of necessity be acquainted with what was going on on eubjecta of great importance, but he would not be required to attend to the ordinary details of the business. The advantage of the present plan was, that the person who was really responsible would be directly answerable in parliament. He would be there ready to defend every step that was taken, and the house would be able to judge whether the defence was sufficient. These officers would certainly become part, as it were, of the poli tical administration of the country. That was so far wirer • tunate ; but it could not be helped. The hnn. member for Knaresborough had asked whether government meant to exclude those now in office from any office under the new law. He would give no pledge whatever on that subject. The government ought to be able to do as they did when the poor law was first passed—(bear)—to choose the persons host quali fied to administer the law, and such as were most likelyto ob tain public confidence. The responsibility of making that choice was great; it had been matter of senous deliberation in 1835, and would be so again; but the government ought to reserve to themselves full discretion as to whom they would appoint. (Hear, hear.) As to the site of unions and other questions, those would be much better discussed alter this bill, which related only to administration, was passed. No doubt amendments were required and might be mode; but a member of the house, charged with the responsibility of this department, would be the most proper person to introduce such amendments, and they would be more likely to be dis cussed then with advantage. (Hear, hear.) Mr. P. BORTHWICK thought the attendance of any cabinet minister at the board could only be nominal. With regard to the interference with the parochial system alluded to by some members, it occurred to him that it arose mainly from the church not being placed in her praiser position to wards the poor. Mr. NEWDEGATE asked if the president and secretary of the commission, who hod sesta in the house, would be removable on a change of administration ? Sir G. GREY said the only prnvimota on that paint in the bill was, that the officers 'would hold thtir offices at pleasure. Mr. FERRAND wished to give notice that, when the question was discussed, he should move a distinct resolution that the present poor-law commissioners were ineligible to hold offices in the new commission, and he should base that resolution upon the contents of the report of the A ndover committee. Leave wail then given to bring in the bill, which was sub sequently brought in, mad a first time, ordered to be printed, and to he road a second time on Monday next. The house adjourned at ten minutes after twelve o'clock. inf reo Al all,