The Express. — London, England, 1853-03-12 00:00:00

election committee. en Saturd ? (lieu, hear.) The n i at wh eh bad bee h put f Tweed by the by porter. P of the 101 l we. tft.e election et Baron lt...thsehild by Bie of L islon. Archbishop Whitely, for instance, h a d sot that the real question was, whether tie Christina ehetors of tl.i. Christian nation should have the ri4ht e „,..•h00s they would as their representatives ? (hear.) N o w, anything route llSTOU4StettOnnt than that could 1y,:4 be enegined. It sesaseil to be Supposed th a t a c „ o .t.tio Ley wrie It their will end pleasure to thee se I ; ale ra they ;Armed —(i.!wer.)—that it they were enly large en. t -fel trough. their select:on WAS tope law. (Hear, )Mar) Now 3A involi ites comparisons wero sometimes male inSAArn lier4e end atnail ematitsienciet, Le wished hon. rrtiont ..ed.: turn their Mit ation to what hal been I remained by Bufae. That distinguished men had said, • .. I , 4lli.mea; w e a e'llgrt'S of amhass :dors trona di ff ere nt loci. is dad m, e i l ie interest., which 111 t, rests each must tin . • an a ,nt and who're** against ot..er age et. arid but parh inn iit i. a deliberative arsenitiiy of one mi n A ntert AT, where, not local put pose:, and not loc• al ; rjudiceo, are to be ronsidend. Lut the general good • e .tio aeon the cener..l rens in of ties whole. Sa that - 7 vete.' you have chosen hint, is not (Cheers the B e tel, but a member of parliament. .) ▪ , T ho .un:ry had an [merest in even member ashen la, 11, TACT Worried ; end if iii whims anti caprices of hid shwas.. emery to br regard. d, they might have them i , ieetirit a ekrgyenan, an ahem, tar a re turniug of fi cer. .f, t "alt Bit now ha tame to that part ef the quce. y e s *Li ti hr eensid.r.d the strona , st, Lamely that which TTISZ . .nr 4 grounds. If this li It were passed, it en „,l t... Inc first thao tuey had evolve* admitted an • ..I . 9,lChri.ti ro fa.th, end so it would strike at the • ja dati.m of the constitution. (11 , ir, be.a.) Ile W. 1.1 arme e this eubject upon t:.c high grounds w▪ hich rine too. member+ .eel taken. If,, did not say yt.st to pess SOP WS WOK would be to interfere in the decree eith the divine will. (Hear, hear.) St eras • tr..e te a t were the stele:gest prophetic de. against the Jews, sad threats that they should be .tatter , d over every lead rued should Nose to be a nas Istit it would be presumptuous tel suppose that any elm: :eel soulet co would either forward or retard Ike cle aves ati Therefore, Let net hk seekers cedes head Iteerame as bate to throe. Bu: it ppeared to hiss that there was IS lower and safer positi n which they could take. The who' , " framework of , the cuostitution we. formed upon Chrietiou vies a. Every WAtio2 of the house wes commenced by inv.•king the ble ss jar of Geld through intercession or our Lord; and be *. why member eineld tale" his mat he must talc an oath, that safe him aesurn at 1. oat the character of a professing CATl`ti•fl. But if the hill were passed all that system wield he entirely desdreye.l. (Ilea) lie had heard übje e llen' to the phrase t• usehriatianizing the lei/led:dere ;" but, tnasaincli as the iatroduetion of a single Je w would abrogate Me principles it an which their procetilini,s were C.lU ducted, it would be melt true that " a little leaven would leaven the whole lump." (Hear, hear.) Dr. Arnold had decreed that it s man tilt himself bound to refuse obedi ence to 'La law of lhla, acid would not pledge himself to beret re paramount the authority of that law, he could not to o l:, he a member of a society which conceived itself to reralute all Ps rroeeedines by that law. (Hear, hear) Bat it was slid that tee exclude Jews from parkas USIA see 'ir.f,ent:MS. (Hear, hear.) This was a great abuse of ti rios. Ilv persecution he unelerstood the inflic tion of pain as the penalty of religious opinion, or to ladwe persons to adopt any religious opinion*. ((leer.) Be: S. • ileltition couid not spiel; he this case. They only reinoel to admit the fees in B.l(4le:cote ; and they might m well sac that TA pill 1.. r, bolts and ben for the purpose of step' ice the entrance its , / a Louse of rersons that were :Lair to do mischief was persecution. (Cheers.) But the noble :not, ii he caned his bill, wouhl not be able to stop here. The tronscientieas deists were IT daohly a larger titsiy thay. the Jews, and there might be cones of them whe rosin refuse to act the put of Bolinbroke tad Gibbon, and to take their meta under any false pretences. How would the sitei!e lord be able to resist their claims ? (Hear, hear.) Or sr lit:. there might be some person elected so wretched aid toe.ish as to e iy, in his heart, "There is no God." each a person might say that every person in the realm, Many riligion, or tai nn religion h a d. a right to equal poll. teal privileges. ( Laud cheers.) Ile understood that Chen, and he hoped the noble lord would be warned by it. At nil events, it wan an relditional reason why he (sir F. These,ter) should vote against the admission of Jews Sr parl..anut. (Hear, hear.) If the hall were paned, the, would have to give up everything that consecrated their dine s, fee the purpose of completing what the noble lord called the edifice of eel giou, liberty. The noble lord, in fact, solid give them so much liberty, that be would not Agent the slightest semblance of religion; and ho would be eompeiled to banish everything which gave grace and dig. city to their proceedings at legislators. (Hear, hear.) With these fueling*, therefore, be earnestly trusted that the house would join with him in moving that the bill be teed that day •:e months. (Cheers.) Lid filtAllAll seconded the motion. Ur. OSBOILNE.—Sir, however I may differ from the major portion of the positions laid down by the hon. ad learned member for Stamford, I concur fully with Lim is the observations with which he commenced his speech, audio which he told us that it was totally impossible to 'ratite,: any novelty in the discussion of this much ex hausted subject. Ile has himself, however, been an excep tion to the rule, and has at least introduced a novelty in the debate, for ho has given us a reading of Inquiry such LI at least I had never heard before. ('• llear," and a ',ugh.) The hon. gentleman has told us that there were no Jew io this country until the time of Charles 11. ; but if the hon. suit learned gentleman had read history aright, he would have found that they were acne- SOUS in the Land in the time of Oliver Cromwell ; and, if he had used as mach research in getting up his facts as he has in preparing his legal erguments, he would have found that in thu time of the Protector the Jews were sufficiently numerous and wealthy in England to propose for the pur chase of St. Paul's, ill order to convert it into a syaagogue. (Great laughter.) I merely mention this to show that the hon. and leaned gentleman has succeeded in intro ducing novelty into the debate —a debate which I confess I approach with feelings, if not of de spair, at least of deep mortification. (Hear, hear.) 1 consider that it is little consolatory to the friends of political liberty and of religious equality to con sider what is the present condition of this question. (hear, hear) For upwards of 20 years It has been dammed in puliament—for I believe It was in 1830 that Mr. Grant— to his eternal honour be it said—first introduced the quer Ova to the House of Commons. Since that time it Mahan frequently debated, the principle has always been acknow kilged by triumphant majorities in this house, and MOTO than that, the moat distinguished members on both sides of the house, however differing on all other sub jats, have agreed on this, one with the other—in the sentiment of political and religious liberty. (Cheers.) 1 he wisdom and eloquence of Mackintosh sad Macaulay, en this side of the house, have been resp 'tided to by Lord Geo. flintlock and the present Mr. Disraeli on the other. I say, thin, it is not a consoling reflection that in the year bid trim question should be " dragging its slow length along," while the same miserable arguments are used in opposition that were possibly used in the 13th century as • reason fur banishing the Jews from the hingeless. We have now the same arguments used to refuse them a seat in this house, urged with the same relentless spirit, and, I mar add, with much of the ignorsnee that was displayed in tae persecutions of the middle ages. (Hear, hear.) T'ue hun. and learned member fur Stamford has used almost the same terms, and certainly the same arguments, which another great light of the legal profession used in justification cf the statute, is heretic° comhurendo. The louse will recollect the arguments used in advocating the propriety of burning heretics, by Lord Coke, that bright ornament of the legal profession, but they could little have crewed to hear an equally bright luminary using in 1853 aeuly the same argument. But, In addition to this, the hoe. and: 1 d gentleman, in despair of intro (hieing any novelty into the debate, has taken a weapon from the armoury of the hon. baronet the member for Oxford auiversity, and says that if we admit the Jews into paella meet we shall unchrietianise the legislature. (Conservative sheen) I ask the hon. and learned gentleman, can be really be in earnest in urging this argument? (Loud their.) Uses he not think that if the nation was to be me an:itemised by making concession, to the Jews, the fatal !hugs would have taken place when the crown permitted •ar, to become magistrates and sheriff*? Nay, have not the City of London and the borough of Greenwich become asehristianised, since they have returned members to this house And has not even parliament mad* great its the he a th en i s i ng operation, since it has 17, thev l spur of twenty-three years consistently voted for the ad • .o of Jews into toe House of Commons ? (Hear, hear.) (Si any gentleman believe in his heart that by admitting the Jews M secs in this house we shall unchnstianise the Intelature ? If the honourable gentleman who used this annearat be consistent, he is bound to admit that this matey is no longer a christian country, because if his ar gument be e irried to its legitimate conclusion, there are hut two inrietian countries in Europe—Spain and Pori urea; and why? Because in those countries alone, not only is disavowal of the christian religion not allowed, but ao form of chastise' worship is permitted except that *leek is the established religion of the respective countries. (Hear, Lear ) The fact was ascertained the other day on the erasion of a question being put as to the persecutions in Spain of persons not professing the Roman catholic doe- Ursa. I say, then, that according to the hon. and learned gentlemen, the only christian countries in Europe and l'ortugal, where only one sect of religionists Si permitted. But in this country, where all sects are tole- rated, sad all modes of religious worship protected, it is au arsine*e offsnee against common sense to say, that the ad relines, of Jews would uneln istiaoise a parliament which, if the aguraeut were good for anything, has been u acluii " Likened already. (Hear, hear.) But the hon. and learned member for Stamford went on to saz, that it was see, essary there should be a declaration of Christianity made by eat, member on entering this house. If the hon. arsi learned gentleman thinks that, why is he eon tested to take this declaration of Christianity at the fag .end of an oath, which two portions if this house, the Roman esthetics and Quake's, do not • If he is sincere, why does he not;come down to the house lad put a notice on the books to the effect that this datiatation of Christianity must be taken by every member sot at the tail of an oath, but preceding all oaths ? (Hear, hear) I say that at is incumbent upon the hon. and leaned gentleman to give notice that he will put a plain led s:raple form of oath on the books of the house, by which eetrY clearer on entering shall declare himself to be of the Christian ligion. But he is not justified in taking advan lue of ties oath of abjuration—an oath which every one arattl wish to ace dose away with—(hear, hear)—for I can t •es ire n u avec solemn farce than to have hon. members op at the eommcnement of a session to the table, to ab _,l6re siogrish and ilespending manner—knowing the essariLty they are about to commit. (Dissent from the op position benches.) Yes, I say es:Nudity, because gen- 1 tlemen opposite. are perhaps not aware that at present there . is not a s:.ngle Wreendent of the' Pretender in exaetence. (Cheers and l e ugheera Oerolemeu are in fact led up to the table to deny allegiance to the de seendahts of a Man who has left no descendants. Why, Sir, it is • positive abt".Mity. (Ilene hear.) I far one— mid I belie.° the opiidon iv shared by many in this hotiee— conader that role reeestien ought not to he discussed as the hon. and learneu member for Stamford has discussed it—nemely, on religious ground., but that it should be diss cussed bilnp!y on its political bearings. We should esk simply if there is anythine in the ecelesiastical polity of the Jews calculated to endanger the state, or if they tend to the 1 disorganization of our iustitutious. (Hear.) Prove this, awl ; I admit th at you make out a ease for excludioe their, but then I say pm are bound to come down to this i to use, ...mittent a specific mete it on the whicet, and to &metre that no Jew shall appear en the hustings, or can . vans for the suffrages of the emetens. But you Ore nut to come here and endeavour by • aide wiud, we result of au rtcg:teutal combinatinn, to pies. et the Jews from taking their seats. elleer, hear.) 1 cannot assent to the propesi -1 tion that r Igloos adjuration, is a nt emery qualification for the eettermauee et civil duties. (Hear, hear.) The It 0,. ant :camel member for eitarolord, adverted, in *1.4 i I conceived to Ise, rather a sneering manner, to the senti menu which had fallen in enother place, from one of the must remarkable men of the day-1 mean the Archbishop of Dublin, with respect to tee Nene). in which we ehonal place this question. I join cordially its edruiration of the position laid elowa by the right rev. prelate—namely, that thee is not • question of Jewish disabiiiiien but of Christian claims. The real rim:stem at issue is, why are the eon ! stituenciee of this country debarred from selecting such men as their represeu.atives as tecy think fit, proeieled those men do not entertain sentiments that see dangerous to the institutions of tho country. (11eter, hear.) 1: is not, la short, eunuch a question of the &mime of the Jeers, as of the lights of the Christians. By the course you leave taken you hive diefranehised ere of the most itaeleonit, imeortant, and wealthy cou.tituen-ins in the world. Three times have the cleaves sent • Jewish gentleman ta reps., sent them, you Lave preveuted his doing co, and thus for all practical r ug pews the groat city of London is dis franchised. Take tens that upcn this question of debarring the Jews from perlitment, you are not disfraocilising the Christians. (Hear, hear.) I say again, then. teat this is not a question of Jewish eisabilitica, hut arm of debarring ' Christians from their rights. After enmbatting some areal melds urged at the last debate, the honourable mem ber concluded—lf we wish to show the true faitn of Christians, we at 4 bound to do as we would be teem by, and when the hon. and learned membe r for Stam ford quotes Ilulliegeworth, and other obscure where, I will take Lave to quete the sentiments of a great man, I mean Bishop Newton:—" It i. mere fitting that we should strive to he the dispensers of the mercy of heaven, than the': executioners of the cruelty of man." Sir, this is a noble, a great sentiment worthy of a Christian pre: tte. I hope the house wall echo the sentiment, and pass this 1.-ill by no miserable mej ,city, but one worthy of them and worthy of the times in which we hve. (Cheers.) Mr. DRUMMOND, who was but imperfectly audible, admitted that on political ett 'ends a single argument could not be urged against the bill. (Hoar, hoar.) There was no fear of tee peeks:3 , 6.m of the Jews, who cased not A rush for making converts, but all the faithful among them looked forward to the day when they should Le able to trample on the lleutiles. They cared little fur principle, bat a great deal for interest. (Loud laughter.) It was, in fact, a religious question, hut not for that reason unfit tube discussed in that nonuse. The highest authority in Christen dom, the Pope, said that he was Christ's vicar on earth, and he was right. Every bishop held that position, and so di I the sovereign of this country, (elk the Pow himself. One of the earliest of the pones heel styled the sovereign of this country " God's vicar over his kingclem"— Vienrita nei sit terris ; and not only the sovereign, but the head of every family stood in the same position. Now, the law of the Cluestien church—the universal Christian law, not of the middle but of the young ages —was, that you were not to lie in the same house with a Jew, not to dine or drink tea with a Jew —(" hear," and a laugh)—nor to.comreunicate with a Jew, under the penalties of mortal sin. The sovereign dare not teke among his councillors ono that refused to how the knee to Him to whom every knee should bow. Ile might be told that every man had a right to worship God as he pleased. He denied that right. That was the argument of those who called themselves Bible Christians; but, as he read the scriptures, the way in which God should be wor shipped was accurately described, and set down, and de decd; man was not left to take his own way in that neuter. Ile believed the first gentleman who took his own way, and who was a sort of independent or free church man, was Cain. (Laughter, and cries of " Oh.") It was all very well to talk of the universal equality of mankind, but be believed there was an hierarchy among nations as in everything, and that, as you could make a Christian a Jew or a Mohammedan simply because he might happen to be among Jews or Mohammedan., so you could Lot phce a Jew on the footing of a Christian in a community of Christians—each must stand spin the re. spoosibility he bad incurred, nor could he tall from it without danger. The time was when the European world was bound together by one faith, and the centre was Beene. That was all gone—Europe was still bound 'aged'. r, but the centre was no longer Rome, but the stock exchange— and the principle of the union was not "credo." hut "credit." (Much laughter) Some hon members might let n the Jews with a safe coascience—ho could net, and would not. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BALL believed he thread act most in accent:mem with the principles of Christianity by voting for the re moval of the disabilities which affected the Jews. (Cheers.) Lord A. VANE spoke against the bill, and quoted a pas sage from Mr. Gledstone's book, "The Relations between Chum and State," to the effect that conformity with the religion of the state ought to be an indispensable qualifier tion for office. This had now become a cabinet question, end he supposed it was made one because the cabinet con• sated of members of all religions, end therefore it was thought that the Jews should have a thanes of such an office; but be (Lord A. Vane) was of opinion that they ought neither to have offices or sit in parliament. Mr. S. HERBERT was anxious to make some observa tions which bad been suggested to him by the speech of his hon. and leaned friend who opened the discussion. He would net go into the history of these oaths, or the inten tion with which they wereoriginally devised, or the changes which had been made in them. All that part of the question had been decided by a court of law in the case of Mr. Saloniens, and the homes had not now to de ckle whether, under the existing oaths, the member for the City of London could come to the table and take that oath, but on the question of policy, as to whether this last sole restriction on the score of religion was to he continued. (Rear, hear.) If he alluded to the history of those oaths, it would be only for the purpose of showing the confusiea into which the house had got by the adoption of different oaths, and the distinctions which had been made on ee -1 count of different persuasions. It was by the act of James I 1., which was passed for "the better discovery of Popish recusants, who, by the devilish arts of the Jesuits, had been perverted from their loyalty," that words were added to the end of the present oath which would prevent mental reservation. That portion of the oath, which was the sube stance and not the form, was prescribed to be taken only by protestant' and not by Roman catholies ; and there was then sitting under the gallery of the house an eminent merchant of the City of London, who had been I three times returned by the votes of 7,000 (he would not say of the rabble )—( cheers ) — but of the citizens of London, who had been accustomed to exercise the franchise on be half of very eminentmen, and who had sent that gentleman again and again to parliament in defiance of the restriction contained in that oath. (Hear, hear.) The intention of the government was not, as bad been said, to propose, in eonsequenee of that election, the law should be changed, but they took it as an indication of the feeling on the subject which existed, and which had induced then to consider the question. For many yeasts the Jews had been degraded in this country and la Europe. Had there been no change in their modern ' since they had received better treatment, and since milder laws had altered his relations with this couetry ? It was admitted that the Jew had cast off his anti-secial feelings, and the wish he expressed to enter parliament was • proof of his desire to become absorbed in the netion,—', but had all been done ? It was true the Jew bad bella ad mitted to civic offices. He did not know why kis Ma. sad learned friend did not move tore _peal the acts which ad mitted them to those o ffi ces. Why should there be • distinction as regard the Jew between civil and political qualifications. (The tight honourable gentlemen then read a passage from Lord Bacon expressing an opinion that the law of naturalisation should be eon extended as to give every man ability for the discharge of all functions whatever.) If the °Weiss to the creed of the Jew was a right one, how could his admission to executive offices be justified ? The discharge of the duties of those offices was more dangerous, for they affected the rights of Chris tians, and iuvolved the administration of oaths to Chris tians, and that without any control, and could that be com pared to the position which two or three Jews would oc cupyin parliament? Vas it not idle to suppose that the admission of two or three Jews into that house would work such a difference as to justify its being said that it would be unchrietianised ? What did his hon. and learned friend mean by saying that he would limit the admission of Jews to civil rights? Once admit them to civil offices, and how could they be excluded from a share in the legislation of the country ? He (Mr. Herbert) was willing to admit that these who desired to admit Jews into parliament laboured under great difficulties, for abstract truth and right had to contend against long rooted religious prejudice. The num ber of Jews was few, and their strength could not be talked of, as was that of the Roman esthetics of Ireland by Lord Plunkett, nor could it be said of the Je MP, as O'Connell also said of the Roman esthetics of Ireland—" They are six millions." But it was, therefore, that you were bound to entertain their claims in a more generous spirit. Ono by one the opponents of this alteration in the law would find Weir leaders leaving them. Lord George Bentiack had left them ; their moat brilliant orator had left them— (hear, hear)—and even in the old stronghold of religious prejudice, the University of Oxford, there had been a change of opinion. Yesterday there had been a atoning of Convocation at Oxford to petition against this bill, and for the first time there had been resistance offered to such a measure. ("Oh, oh," and cheers.) Gen tlemen opposite seemed to have a worse opinion of Oxford than he did. ("OD, oh," and cheers.) Did they think that Oxford was impervious to the truth There had lately been a meeting of Convocation, at which it was proposed to petition parliament in favour of this bill. In the division there were 31 votes in favour of the motion, and 73 against it, but the minority included seven heads of the liebdemadel Board. (Hear, hear.) His Ilea. and learned friend said he would not attribute to that side of the house, an indifference to religion. So far from think ing that religion had nothing to do with politics, he (Mr. THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING. MARCH 12, 1853. IS. Herber.) was of opinion that talus religion were the animating steeit in oil their proceedings, their legislation weulil be worth nothing, and the eresterity of the country would pass away. But he would not cenmund r iiilion with ' seetarianimn—(ltear, hear) ;--and that house weuli not ' he an amurate r. presentation of the country, while peruses i were excluded on accout of their religion. The theery , that by admitting Jugs they would uncl • 'anise the lege,- tome, milit ited against the established aximn of the ere:- `are, that no British born stehket should be excluded I from the enj•iyinent of political rights on account of his re littieus faith. (Cheers.) Ate to the intention., of the aity with regard to the Jure, he thought they might not, by their legislation, to attempt to make themselves the inetru meets of dispensations of Providence which were deleted by means unknown, and were in themselves incomprehrn i eihle. (Hear, hour.) Many persons objected to the word " otiscrition " in regard to the refusal of pi lilies! Helm to ' Jews. lie could not conceal from hims.lf thst the en ' lightened end tolerant spirit which war now abroad hail pro. i btl4 pied:m:4l sine effect un such persons. They were now , obliged to substitute political disehititii a for heroine, j test as I society had substituted a penile mode of resenting heeds for more violent methods. They mutt not, smut the op ! timisin of the 19th century, imagine that we had entirely lest the spirit of our ancestor. (Hear, hear.) Sinai re atrictions and petty at.neyencee were sig., of se iatentina to persecute. (!leer, hear.) In a petition (rem •di me ! crt.i,al slut whirls met for the purpose of ii.daencing terno , na oy external I%Ra:ion, it aas stated that her Mt , jebty's r,vcrenent were attetvir ing to annul the profession of Christianity. It seen:mu to be fortzutte n that n.. Imo femion of Christianity las ri quinel from 11anian util:ice. ; There woo no inteution by this lit:l to annul the proleteiuu ni Christianity made in the oath. Ile coat wad that he ! wished to ,err mem greedy sirnelitied, hut Amid the present mortiid ishite of teclir.z on this suoject, he knew not who would be so bo:d as to confront tee prejudice and invective I ' which an attempt to simplify them would biiiie upon ' hint. In into ectitiois the limn". WO‘ c.illed linen " not to ; a .crefice the Cliristein ch:,racter of the :neon " by Teeming this bill. He did not believe the measure hall the least tendency t i weekeu Clireeismity either in that house or out of it ; on the contrary, he thought that '.ei paten g it they would prove to the country and to Vie we Oil that their Christianity was a matter, net of theory we rt ly, but , if practice. 'they would thus show to the w tied teat in th. it opinion religion and liberty, inetead of being opposite and antagonistic, were necessurEy and ju•Cy nutted; that the pretestant teeth had a political signification, as well as a re Niue, one—that signification Wine liberty of conscience; and that, instead of regarding religion as a weapon to be used against those who differed from them is theology, they were determined to carry into Ka their lceielation the spirit of tee gospel, which was the spirit of love and gaol will to men. (Chars.) After a few words from Mr. HENLEY, Lord J. RUSSELL said alter two nights' debate he trusted the house would allow hint to give some answer to the arguments which had been used against the proposition. 1.1.4 ire el .ing so lie ruklit h.: iitlowc 1 to meniien a matter w hich was eersonal to himself wth regard to his position in respect to this queetion. It was represented by an hon. meinber, follow lug no doubt what be hail heard out of doom, Coat he nod hitt...duce:l this qacrinn solely fr eu a newel to the constituents whom he seineemited. Now it happened tF it b Aire there was ady (13041011 of the election of harm Rothschild ! c hail been asked to introduce this question He could only any that he had always taken part in qua , thins of this kind. Its 'peke tin the second reading 'of the bill which was introduced by Sir Robert Grant in 1833 and 1831, and it so happened that he had spokeu on questions of a 'hailer kind a little before that time. He thought it was in ISM that he was asked by the protestant deeenters to undertake a bill fur the removal of the disabilities which were imposed upon them by the Test and Corporation Acts. He had no personal inteteot in that question Key more then lie had a personal interest in this; but feeling a great mud for persons who he thought were unjustly treated, being called upon by persons utter • ing under these restrictions, ho undertook their cause. With regard to the arguments upon this questi! ii, he thcught they were pretty nearly creed with regard to ono part of it—indeed, upon all ex cept ono point, which now remained for discussion. The part on which they were now co nearly agreed was tha his torical question as to the introiluciien of these oaths. 'the hon. and learned gentleman wise began the debate to-night agreed with hint that these words were not intreilucen for the purpose of excluding the Jews, but for a totally dif ferent purpriee, and as a more strineent Let against Roman catholic,. On the other hand, he was quite willing to ',knit thet if there had been a question as to the Jews at that time, pal :Lemont would net have allowed them seals in that house, but he thought tile around would not have been the religious ground, but that they were aliens. It therefore rcetaieed for them now to consider, not whether they would remove a bar deliberately put up to exclude Jews from parliament, but whether they would remove a bee out up for another purpose, mud which by accident, as It were, tended to exclude them. Teens were the historical pounds on which they all agreed. Then the hon. mem ber for Surrey admitted that on political grounds there were no reasons for their exclusion. Teen, as to the re ligious ground, all the arguments went more to the exclusion of other meets dill' , rent from the esta blished church than they (lid to the exclusioa of the Jews, because it was quite obvious that the questions which were brought into the house were much inure likely to meet with opposition from Christians who differed from the esta blished church than from Jew+. Take the union with Scotland, woich introduced presbyterians into that house They hod questions with regard to episcopal authority, Lad those were questions on which, according to tee principles of his hon. friend, presbyterians were totally unfit to decide upon, because they were opposed to episcopacy. Then take the question of the extension of the Presbyterian church, the Roman Whelk., could hove no sympathy with bills having that object which were introduced into the house, and the argument would therefore, if good for anything, be good for the exclusion of the Beaman catholic'. But when they came to the question of Jews, there were but few questions indeed in which they would feel so interest con trail to that of the majority. Same bon. gentlemen thought that they would take is particular course with re gard to any bill for the better observance of the sabhath. He could not say that the discussion of those bills had been of a very edifying cheracter in that House, but that wee the only question now on which it was probable there would be any difference. On the ques tie* of the extension of the protestant church they would find far less enmity from the Jews than from the preaby terians or the It man catholics. Then the question was reduced to this—it was on the ground of religious opinion. Now, on that question he felt it was too late in the day to argue. Those who maintained that on account of religions opinion, on account of the wide difference between the Jew and th e Christian, the Jew ought to be excluded from a Christian legislature, went on a principle on which he could not argue, but against which he certainly had the strongest feeling. His belief was that the principle of imposing a penalty, of imposing a disability on a man because he was of a different religion, was exactly the same u impesing fines, imprisonment, and death. The great difference prevailed in point of severity, as his right hon. friend near him proved to his admirable speech, between the persecution which prevailed in former centuries and ditabiloties like the present; but in point of principle, thou who condemned the Media to imprison ment on account of their religious faith, were &tog no otherwise, were acting on no other =go than that of those who excluded the Jews parliament. (Cheers.) It was, as the right hen. gentleman who spoke last said, a question of principle un• double,. He admitted that there was a principle, but it was a principle which, for his own part, he could not dis tinguish from the principle of religious persecution. Well, then, he said, here were two principles, and hon. gentle. men must take their stand on the one or on the other. If they took their stand on the one principle, it was the prin ciple en which all religious persecution must be justified—(cheers)—upon which all penalties were im posed, and which had led to those troubloua scenes of anvil war, of dimension, and of desolation which had occurred from the beginning of Christianity to the present time. The other principle was the principle which had gradually risen and had grown with civilisation, which tended to peace, which tended to make men love one another, which induced them to live in harmony, which induced them to live in con cord with the state, and left every man in possession of the independent exercise of his own religious opinion, and which, remevipg till penalties, removing Lli disabilities, re moving all punishments for the profession of faith, did, he believed, conduce more then the severest punishments, more than the fire and the rack, more than the most solemn oaths and declarations, to the diffusion of just opinion. (Loud cheers.) It was because holding this opinion, because be was net indiff rent to the triumphs of Christianity, and because he believed that Christianity would triumph amid the greatest liberty and freedom of opinion—it was because on these grounds he believed that that trinmph would be hastened by the removal of the last disabilities, that he hoped the house would agree to the second reading of this bill. (Loud cheers.) Mr. NEWDEGATE said the noble lord charged those who opposed the bill with persecution. Ile asked the noble lord how he reconciled that argument with the bill, which contained so many restrictions from Jews holding certain offices ? How did he reconcile it with a Jew being restricted from holdingthe office of Chief Conomessionerlof aloe:General Assembly of the Sehurch of Scotland? (Laughter.) This relic of intolerance, as it was called, was the sole bar that prevented that house sinking to downright atheism. Judaism was a religion lamentably intolerant, and it was a great mistake to suppose that this measure would put an end to religious dissensions. (" Divide, divide.") He booed it would not result in making the people of Baia country indifferent to Christianity. (" Oh, oh.") Mr. V. SCULLY rose, amidst loud cries of "divide." lie merely wished to express, on his own part, and on the part of the Roman catholics of Ireland, that they, as a Maly, cordially assented to the bill. (Hear, hear ) The house thou divided : For the second reading 263 Against 212 Majority for the second reading . . LI CONSOLIDATE]) FUND BILL. This bill passed through committee. METROPOLITAN IMPROVEMENTS. The amendments to this bill were considered And agreed to. LAND IMPROVEMENT (IRELAND) BILL. The amendments to this bill were considered and agreed to. CLERGY RESERVES BILL. This b;11 wag postponed till Monday. HOLYHEAD AND KINGSTOWN MAIL SERVICE. On the motion of Sir R.I2I•LKELEY, a return was ordered of the namiN of do vevels baiunging to the City of Dublin Steam racket Company conve) ing the malls from Holy head to Kingstown, the Zate of tech vessel's sailing from Holyhead to Kingstown and Kingstown to Holyhead, and the name of the officia in charpe, from lot day of Blanch, tt the Ist d;y of March, 18.5 j. The house tb en (at milnight) adjourned. PATHS or. THE Jew BILL —Mr. Phinn far with Mr. Towneley Parker Ilgathst ; Sir J. Johnstone for with Mr. Deeds% again.t. Mr. Moffatt paired against the abolition of the attorneys' 4:truncate tam with Mr. Lascelles. Captain Gladstone has paired with Sr Thomas Winning. t i till after Easter. 4 7:41,11te05. 10C r.nE: l`uti •ece stl Edition 4" The Esieres ' eirootaissag the same evesirge " is l dr:ished every lte.d.y v.l reida7 sight, in lime lor ;:oet. A. "et i:Yel este itette.4.l " The Ex .Yeea," Loa kr. Even'yeg enn. , t be et the 'Mire, Boaserit —treat, yy Two as the tay of pt.i.atistiou. RIGH 'WATER AT LON 1 10:7 BRIDOS. :3!• 1 1 47—Ni.vrrant. 14. 47 r in. 344. fr..34outow—Y:7r.isar. 4 . 13.. s iftrennou. lc. i 4 L9NDON, SATURDAY, MARCH 12. TuE CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposes to receive a di putat ion on the subject of the adv, rtiae meat duty. The time is favourable. The failure of the proceedings against The Narrative (T Current Events has cconpclie.s! the last and present govern molt to consider the newspaper law, and a decision in respect to it is only p us tp o ned by the exc use o t waiting for the report of their law officers. Visionary is the utility of any such report. The Jadges have effected theonly amendment of which the present newspaper law is susceptible. Under the j ant auspic a of intelligent effic:als and crown lawyers a newspaper was described by Act of Parliament in language so ecnfosed as to warrant the stamp authorities in claiming as such any publica tion at whatever distant intervals it might be published. Oa the same grounds on which it was attempted to charge with stamp, and to render liable to the responsibiiities of a newspaper, a paper containing news or intel ligence published at monthly intervals, any periodi cal publi-hed at longer intervals, as, for instance, the Annual negis!er, would have been equally liable. The judgment of the Court of Exchequer has intro duced something like system into the construction of this act. It has, in fact, limited the responsibilities of tho newspaper law to periodicals issuing at intervals not exceeding 26 days. It gives to the go vernment a control over all papers which appear at shorter intervals--daily, ueekly, hi-monthly, and the like, but declares that intelligence printed in monthly periodicals partakes rather of the character of review than of current news. It might have been supposed that a decision which laid down a rule so simple and so clear, and extricated the crown from the invidious necessity of putting in force an enactment which at best was doubtful, and certainly was oppressive, would have been received with plea sure, and regarded as the satisfactory solution of a' difficulty. Not so. This is the third government which is still unable to say whether the decision of the Court of Exchequer is to be acquiesced in until the report of their law officers be received—and this is the second government which is on the brink of danger and un popularity by attempting to introduce an act to ex plain the meaning of a law which has already received a judicial interpretation. It is at this moment that the attention of the CHANCELLOR of the Excittxwita is solicited to a newspaper grievance and to a public injury. It is not likely that his acute mind will consider the advertisement duty by itself, but will regard it also in connexion with the general news paper question. He will then find that, consistently with the judgment of the Court of Exchequer, the law is so ample as to leave it very greatly in the dis cretion of the stamp-office to define what publication Is or is not a newspaper, provided it be published at intervals nut exceeding twenty-six days. He will see that such papers,con tributing to the revert uo I d. on each number must, from their price, depend very greatly on the number of their advertisements for existence ; that every hindrance on advertisements tends, there fore, to lessen the number of papers, and thus injures the revenue arising from newspaper stamps—that, on the other hand, owing to the limitation of the size of the newspaper sheet, an important increase of advertisements would, by necessitating the use of additional sheets as supplements, add to the revenue by the stamps and paper-duty payable in respect of such supplements, and to the commerce of the country by the increased consumption of paper. From such considerations the Cu %NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER cannot fail to perceive that the total abolition of the impost would not be an entire sacrifice of revenue, but would bo attended with compensating results, and that, if he did not like to give up the whole income, there is little if any doubt that an experiment of the effect of lowering duties by a reduction of the tax to 6tl. would secure to the government, directly and indirectly, a larger income from newspapers than is now received. But there are other reasons to bo urged in reference to this question, of a higher character than the interests of newspaper proprietors, or the results upon the public purse of a remission of this duty. It is a tax which presses harshly upon industry, and with most severity on those who can least afford it. It acts un equally on the rich and poor. The cost of advertising an r estate or large property forms but a small percentage onitsvalue,—and the richcompany or sanguinespecu ' later, who finds an advantage or necessity in claiming pablic attention by lengthy advertisements, are not sensible of hardship in the small addition of is. 6d. to ' the expense of the announcement. But to the man who really needs publicity, and whose bread depends ; on it,—the tradesman who wishes to lift himself out of the obscure crowd who throng this vast ci?y, and to make known his wares through the most extensive channels,—the artizan or servant seeking for em ployment—the many parties dependent upon the ; letting of apartments i—these and such as these, who can tell in an announcement of a few lines their humbler wants, are now subjected to an extra charge of full 100 per cent. by the manner in which the present duty tends neces sarily to increase the price of short advertisements. We need not argue . that this heavy taxation checks advertising—it is as admitted principle that an increased consumption ensues on the lowering of duties. In the present case our rulers have direct proof of these arguments placed before them at their breakfast-tables each morning. By their daily papers they may see that the very great proportion of long advertisements, either for companies or charities, appear in several papers, while of short advertisements, —meaning such as do not exceed ten lines,—a very small proportion appear in more than one paper. The want of an individual needs publicity as much as the want of a charity, and the unfrequency of advertising is explicable only . by the fact that the cost to the individual is proportionably much heavier. While such are some of its objec tionable characteristics the advertisement; tax is also indefensible on principle. It interferes arbitrarily with the prosecution of business in one particular mode. The law allows men to publish their business or their wants by the town crier, or on the walls—in railway-carriages, or steam-boats— on huge placards, or on unsightly vane; but if they set* publicity in the stamped newspaper or the un stumped periodical, then a fee of Is. ad for each ad vertisement is demanded by the government. The most natural and inoffensive mode of advertising is taxed, while modes which are inconvenient and dan gerous to the public are free. To subject notices and advertising vans to payment of a duty would be felt to be absurd and arbitrary ; but an exaction still more unjust and arbitrary, because exceptional, is allowed to continue. That this impost cannot long continue is certain, though it may be uncertain to whom the honour of its removal may be due. By the last government the force of public opinion was admitted, and a sense of justice was expressed. This tax was ad mitted by Lord DERRY to deserve attention—and was stated by him to have been under consi deration with a view to its repeal. As the press was " his only scutcheon" the then CHANCELLOR of the ExcuEut•Eat may have been restrained by delicacy from dealing with this Tax in his first budget, lest it might have been insinuated that he was led away unduly by early associations. Against the present CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER no such soft impeachment can be made, and, with a MI conviction of the ut.fairness and isjuriousness of this tax, we would say to him "Be just and fear not." FRANCE. PARIS, FRIDAY EVENING. The Marini' de Nloustier is appointed Ambassador to Prussia, in place or tho Baron de Varennes, who has been created a Senator. _ _ _ A decree in this morning's Ifwiiteur appoints M. Ducos to be Minister of Wur during the indisposition of Marshal do St. Arnaud. A decree by the Emperor appoints the opening of the Exhibition of Industry of all Nations for the Ist of May, ISM, and directs its close in the Sep tember following. There was a good feeling displayed on the Bourse to-day, and the national securities would decidedly have advanced but for an article in the nor.-official portion of the ..Ifu.;:eur, which Wit; attributed to the Emperors own p, ii. Thu 't hree per Cent. Reales closed at 81f. 10c. for cash, and 81f. 20c. fur the ac count; the Four-and-a-llalf per Cents. at 104 f. 30c. for cash, and IGlr. 50e. for the account; and Bank Stock at 2,750 f. both for money and the settlement. Railway shares were again gu . ed, and Western and Rouen and Havre advanced as much as ten francs a Blume, and nest of the whet., hem two to five francs The IfoiilLar cor tains one of those articles which now supply the place of miniNterial statements in parliament. The subject is the budget, which, it is announced, will be presented to the Corps Legislatif in cqui/itrio. Thirty-four millions of expenditure, th'iught necessary by ministers for the public service, have Men struck off by the Emperor in person during the recent secret discussions in the Council of State at the Tuileries. It is more than doubtful, the article says, whether such a reduction could have been obtained by the old parliamentary method of discuss ing th, budget ; nt lelst., the past offers no parallel example. This observation is perfectly just. It is certain that no responsible minister could continue to hold office after an independent House of Com mons had prow )unced an opini in that a budget pre sented Ly him with a large deficit might safely and propecrly ha so remodelled as to show tio de ficit at all. The above are the only facts to bo extracted from oar columns of argument in favour of the present system of managing the pub lic finances. No disclosures arc made as to the prin ciple upon which this wondrous economy has been effected, and no reference is made to any single item of the redactions. The public are informed that ex cellent reasons were not wanting in (scour of every one of the es!imates ultimately struck out, but that they were all over-ruled by the determination of the Emperor to send the budget to the Corps LegMAU without a deficit. The u; cide of Prinee Camerata has been followed by another immediately connected with it. I men tioned that rumour attributed his laying violent hands upon himself to an affair of the heart, in which Mademoiselle Marthe, the actress, was concerned. I have since heard this contradicted, and that the young young count's resolution to destroy him self was taken in coLsequente cf heavy losses at the Bourse. However this may be, his family encouraged the idea that Aldine. Murtha was the ex citing cause of his death. She was at llavre at the time, but was immediately sent for to Paris. Arrived there, M. Boudrot, an officer of jus'ice, called upon her, and demanded the restitution of a casket of jewels belonging to some of the Count's relations, and supposed to be in her possession. Mdlle. Murthc, lam informed, de nied all knowledge of the jewels, but the application had such an effect upon her mind that she suffocated herself with lighted charcoal in the course of the night. From the monthly returns of the Bank of France it appears that the metallic reserve has fallen off 11 millions in Paris, and increased 7 millions in the branch banks. The discount accommodation has decreased considerably, being not less than WI mil lions in the Paris establishment, and 16 millions iu the departments. The advances on French public secu rities have declined 5,► millions in Paris, and upwards of one million in the branch-banks. The advances on railway shares have fallen off one million in Paris, and about a 1 of a million in the provinces On the side of the liabilities, the notes in circula tion have decreased of a million in Paris, and nearly tivo millions in the branch banks. The ac count-current of the treasury has declined 181 millions. Private accounts-current have fallen off 101 millions in Paris, and not altogether a quarter of a million in the provinces. The whole amount of the metallic reserve is now 194 millions to 6651 millions of notes in circulation. TURKEY. Fethi-Pacha, brother-in-law of the Sultan, has been named Minister of Commerce. GERMANY. AUSTRIA. For the first time the Austrian government informs Europe what it has gained from the Porte by Count Leiningen's mission. A telegraphic despatch, dated Vienna, March 8, announces that the semi.official Oest Correspandenz thus states the Turkish conces sion :—The status quo ante to be restored in Monte negro ; the political fugitives serving in Omer Pasha's army to be removed to Asia; Klock and Sutorina to remain Turkish as hitherto, but not to be used as ports ; the protection of Bosnian Christians to be assured by the Porte ; the import duty of 3 per cent. upon articles introduced from Austria into Bosnia and Herzejo wine to be established ; and lastly, the Porte to pay four millions of piastres as indemnity to private individuals alleging claims or injuries against the Turkish government. Although derived from a semi-official source, this intelligence must be taken subject to revision. The Correspontlenz pub lished about three weeks ago a statement on Turkish affairs, which was contradicted by the French go vernment in the Moniteur. ITALY. RUMOURED ATTACK ON THE KING OF NAPLES. The Palia e Popolo of the Gth inst. contains an an nouncement printed in large characters, but at the same time given under great reserve, that au attempt had been made upon the life of the King of Nap:es. A gun had been fired at the King,'who was so seriously wounded in the leg that the surgeons had thought it necessary to amputate the limb. We have not been able to find any confirmation of this rumour. A correspondent, however, writing from Marseilles on the Bth, states that Naples letters report several separate collisions between the people and soldiers of the Swiss regiments in the Neapolitan service. Many Swiss, it is said, have been killed. The police have made numerous arrests. The Official Gazette of Milan published, on the sth inst., the sentence pronounced by court-martial, on the 28th ult., against seven-and-twenty individuals for high treason. The sentence having been revised by Radetsky, Carlo Montanari, a noble, Tito Speri, and Bartolo Grnzioli, were left for execution. Giu seppe Finzi, Luigi I'astro, Augusto Donatelli, and Luigi Semenza, are to be imprisoned for life. The penalty of death, pronounced against the majority of the other prisoners, has been commuted into sixteen years' imprisonment in irons as regards Alberto Ca. valletto and Domenico Fernelli, on account of their irreproachable morals, sincere confessions, and re pentance ; with regard to Antonio Lazzati, in consideration of the improvement in his later political conduct ; with regard to Ferdinando Boeio, because his revelations supplied the clue to ulterior investigations; with regard to Imero Lannechi and Domenico Gasconi, on account of the sincere repent ance el both, and the honourable character of the latter ; with regard to Giovanni Malaman and Carlo Morelli, in consideration of the little part which they took in the plot. With regard to others smaller , punishments have been enforced on various con ; siderations. EXPULSION OF A BRITISH OFFICER FROM TUSCANY. A letter, dated Florence, 2nd, in the Porli»terato, states that Mr. George Cranford, brother of a mem ber of the British parliament, and an officer in the 'service of Queen victoria, arrived there a few days ago from the lonian Islands, where his regiment is in garrison. No sooner had he arrived than the police ordered him forthwith to quit the country. He inquired what was the motive of that arbitrary injunction, said that he should not depart, and ap plied to the representative of England, who de mantled the revocation of the order, and titled the came of that odiously exceptional measure. The Mit.ister of Foreign Affairs replied that the Tosesa government had been informed by its consul at Corfu that Mr. Crauturd was repairing to Florence for the propose of organiimig in Tuts fly a com mittee of revolutionary propaganda. Cranfttrd I I protested that this was an infamous ; bat nei:la r his declarations nor the intcif, I ‘tice of tho English representative could obtain for him an hour's delay. AUSTRALIA. ARRIVAL FROMkELBOUILNE. PLYMOUTH, Fionay l:vtwin. The Francis Ifenty, bound for London, one litM dml days from Melbourne and eight weeks from the Cape, passed up the Channel to-day. She is sthl to have more than eighty thousand ounces of go!d on board. She brought over sixty passengrre, tweaty of whom landed hero by a She I,tat, which also brought her mails on shore. She w s four days at the Cape. ' The Australian, having had her engines refitted, sailed yesterday for the Cane and Australia. r re, be Court. The Queen held a Privy Council et three o'clock yesterday afternoon at Burkinehase It was attended by Prince Albert, the Eat et C.4retaLut t.r the Lard :nt) ; th. Duke of Argyll. I.lrtl rtiS.V Seal; the Ab..rdeen. Firbt Lor,l .•t the Trea sury; the Dukc of Newe.tstle, t4teretnry t.t S•..te fee the Coivaiet ; Sir James Groh ent. First LIM el the A,lntir-ho; the Right lion. S'dney Brawn, Beer..tary et Wart the li.aquis of Breed:dhow:, Lord Clutuberlaits ; oral the Duke of WeAinton. Mame:. of the Hera°. ..... " -"' • T , :u BacLuria was Clerk cf :I‘.: Council in Her Majesty rare audiences to tt.e 1 kr( Aherdoen, the Etri of it...latent:du, the Duke of Ne0ca,11..., and Sir James Graham. The Quceu was attended by Lnrd Ernest Ilruce, Chat:V*4.6in ; Lord Druml.turig, ennti•trto rof the House hold ; the Marquis of An.tiew..y, SC.:: in Waiting; the Murquis of Ormonde, Lord in Wait;ng ; and Mr. R. Ormsby (lure, Gut.-:u in Waiting. Toe Countess of Nenilly Red the Duke de Nemottne rist•ed the Queen ou Thursaay afternoon at Bockinghan Palace. Prince Alb..rt attended by the Hon. Captain de Res rode out on horseback yesterday morning. Her M.,jesty and Prince Albert attended by the Ceuntess of Charlemont, the lion. Beatrice Byng, .I.e Marquis of Ormonde, Caroni Bouverie, and the Hon. Ciptain de Roe, honoured the Haymarket Theatre with their presenca last evening. The Duchess of Kent, accompanied by the Princess Adelaide of Holtenlobe, and attended by Loy Howard, the l3arene.s de Spe:h, and Lord Jun.. x Murray, honoured thu Lyceum Theatre with their presuice last evening. Lieutenant John (B), Royal Na - e, attended the L•; vie i... 1 by Prim:, Albert by dol.. of her on Wednesday. The Committee of the Queen's mod honourable Privy Clouned, ha the affair. of Jersey and Guernsey, sat yester day at the Council-ether, Whitehall, to hear a petition of the statea of .!ersey, against three orders in council, of the 11th February, 1812, and praying contirmiti-n of certain Sets p:.s.ed by that assembly in August. 1b.12, in lieu of such orders; and un petitions of Edward Niculle, and others, and of certain rate-parrs of Jersey, in the said matter. The Lords present were: The Lord Push!, nt. Visc.unt Palm .rston. the Chancellor of the Duchy of trtrnwdl, the Judge of the Admiralty Court, and the Right lion. Sir J. Patteson. Sir Frederick Thesiger, Mr. li.oundell Palmer, and Mr. I'dackesson, appeared for the stab:. of Jersey. Mr. Charles Clark appeared on behalf of Sir T. Le Breton, the bailiff, and Mr. De St. Croix, tile grefh. r, .•f rimy ; Mr. Forsyth and Mr. Dryden (.4- the inhabitants yen _ rally, and Mr. Curlier and Mr. Marett (of Jersey) far a large body of petitionary. Ile case was only part heard, and was ad journed. A deoutation on the suu...et or t .e Public Health Act had an interview with Sir William MosCSA orth yesterday, at the Office of Wortts and Public Buildings, w Whitchall-place. The dew:Alan convicted of Mr. Lasktt, M.P., Mr. Tool min Smith, and Mr. Knipe. The Hon. A. Fitzgerald Kiunaird, M.P., the Rev. Dr. Duff, and Mr. Hawkins had an interview with the Duke of Newcastle yesterday at the Colonial-tffice. A .h putatiou, consisting of Lieut.-Colonel Lindsay, Mr. Thicknasse, Mr. Wudehouse, Mr. l'ease, Mr. Wadsworth, and Mr. Part, had an interview with the Wglit Hon. B. Cardwell yesterday, ut the Board of Trade. Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial-office, from the Governor of Malta. Despatches ware sent to the Governor-Genzral of Canada. ELECTION EXPOSURES. THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE NOR. WICH ELECTION PNTITIONS. Yesterday the committee on this :natter re-assem bled—Mr. Thomas Dancomhe, chairman; Mr. Drummond, Mr. Hadfield, Sir W. Jolliffe, and Mr. Bolt. As the evi dence, apart from the particular object of the inquiry, dis closed peculiarities cenneeted with the electioneering sys tem of Norwich, it will justify a somewhat full report. The committee room was much crowded. Mr. Kitton's cross-examination was resumed by Mr. Brown. Witness was recommended to Thompson, When ham, and Brown es parliamentary °genie. The with drawal of the Norwich petition for any ut'.er petition had always been a matter of suggestion for considera ion only. The proposition had never been put to as a distinct proposition, excepting as regarded the W. st Norfolk peti tion. Witness gave a positive refusal in that case; and whenever Liverpool, Cautetbury, or any other place was mentioned, atter what hod taken place as to the recogni sancee, he felt that before doing anything, he must consult the Norwich committee and Colonel Dickson. All Hine matters were cmditional as to whether they went on with the petition or not. Witness never mentioned the with drawal of the Norwich petition fortis. Liverpool to any one before be ever saw Mr. Brown. Oa witness seeing Mr. Debenham, all that passed was similar to what passed between witness and Brown. Told Colonel Forester whea he saw him at the Carlton that he had undertaken the in vestigation of the matter at the request of the conservative party in Norwich. The majority was 600 or 600 against the Marquis of Douro, and something more against Dickson. Advised Colonel Dickson not to have anything more to do with Norwich. Colonel Dickson was not a man of very large fortune, and that fact would have had the effect of provoking an apposition in Norwich. Norwich was a large place, where elections were very expensive. Witness bad Riven this advice to other gentlemen, as well as to Colonel Dickson. _ _ The lion. Chairman—You say the elections in Norwich are expensive. What makes them so? Witness—Oh, various matters. First, there is a large number of poor voters ; next, there are nine or ten polling places ; and there is a canvass of six weeks' duration. It is a large and poor constituency, and it is very difficult to avoid treating. The Chairman—Anything else, Mr. Kitton—bribery ? Witness—They do say that. The Chairman—Do you say it ? (Laughter.) Witness—Yes. I believe large amount of bribery—the whip carrying off from 300 to 400 men at 51. a man, and the tories carrying off a similar number. The chairman—Like the " pairing off" of the petitions we heard of yesterday Witness—Yes. Could not say personally that he had carried off any voters. The candidates, Lord Douro and Colonel Dickson, professed to give their support generally to Lard Derby's administration, but Lord Douro professed himself a free-trader, and Colonel Dickson professed him self a protectionist. Colonel Dickaien-1 was also a free trader. Witness—A voter h..d often said, I don't care which way I vote; and another, I voted for the other party before, and now I will give you a turn—not caring about colours whe ther, orange, purple, blue, or white. The total constituency of Norwich was from 4,000 to 5,000 voters. Of this number al l i 0 7 0. stsdi! election lcc—Mpetitionwct to present, Wr oa from 1,000 to 1,500 were poor voters, and I believe a very considerable number of these latter can be carried away. I am speaking of 16 years ago, when we discovered that a large number had U. en :o carried away. They were taken a short distance out of the city and kept there. Assigned this circumstance as a reason why Norwich was an " expensive " place. These voters were not 101. houscho'.dera, but chiefly freemen. Did not know of the richer men bring treated as well as the poor. There was in Norwich a certain class of voters with a dis position to mike the most of the franchise, but there was also a large number et partisans, who did all they could to assist the candielates of their choice without esterase. That was the position of parties in Norwich. One-halt the con stituency consisted of a party that scorned remuneration fur the most intense hard work, out of devotion to political principles ; while the other party consisted of those who made the most of ;heir franchise. This resulted in what for years past had been tbe custom as regarded the return of member=, to Live ",me and obe ;" so that neither party could hope to returr two hiershers long in Norwich. The witness illustrated this by referring to the elections of Lord Ahinger and Lord Mansfield in 1832, and again to the election in 1837. Both sides concurred in the "one and one" system, thinliing it beitter to avoid a contest. This p. litical reciprocity of ..rr.eloi.ement had subsisted in Nor wich for the last hi yews, and the inhabitants were desirous of carrying it out. It seas s.difactory to the inhabitants, and it would III' far lo , tter for Norwich thin for other o. retire. s a s pnteiwcort oc a anxious uoxasblibishdcoct obtain , e. Could :d a ni id : arose : bee: ata h tii,: e t etteero . i . . . 4,ednlabwa,,,,syhctti returned.eittot hnaea tt. towns if each party were allowed one member. Examined to b y Mr. Colonela elu tionn y effort t h a that n L wc k o a r s.,o d uni..avide, Douro tf,, Con sidered°thha' the ob j e c t happy st a te, 4 a t ' thec a t s t e h °° ,: f r i i p n 'tch c o te :r . d o t p e f e r e s Colonel Dieleson, thoush not beyond those of leird Douro. tied not heard that she pressen! Duke of Willtoston had stated, in a letter to Mr. Ilignold or else w here, "- that oho only wise thing Colon• 1 Dickson had came done with re gard to Norwich, was to withtiraw the petition." When