The Express. — London, England, 1851-08-02 00:00:00

11PMMiRLIAMENT. ----- HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY, ArOVSY 1. Thr LORD CSIANCELLOR took his at at. o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Douro or Towss Hut..—Hy Earl (MANVILLE, Gov two places not benr.l in favour of this MIL VO,TAI,CO,I%IOIICATION BIfTWILIN ENO L.V.CD AND 'MI LAN O. —lty the Earl of OLENGALL, from the Chamber of Common: of Waterford, on the subject of the postal eammunicAtion between Engl Ind and Ireland. CUYOTAL Pauscr.—lly the EATI of )IAINESBRY, frotu Jerwy, in tavour of the retention of the CryUstal EXIOSATION.—By the Earl of MALMESBURY, from the free climb of S en tl i nd.against emigration advanecs. CUS'T'OMS LILL-COM M IsSION ERS OF RAILWAYS ACT REPEAL DILL-STEAM NAVIGATION BILL -lANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (IRE LAND) DILL-SHEEP, Ite.. CONTAGIOUS DIS ORDERS PREVENTION DILL. Th.• above bills were aererally read a second time. M EUCANTII.P. MARINE ACT AMENDMENT DILL -MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND DILL. Th.. reports on these hiII4 were brought up and FILL. ad. NK R FOREST DEER REMOVAL , Re., L Oa the motion of the Kai uf CAuLt%Lr.. WS hill west tkni - meeMisirisittee. 1.11111 Y.D CIICRCH OF ENGLAND AND IRELAND RILL—CHURCIIES AND CHAPELS (IRELAND) 11111.1.--ECCLESIASTICAL RESIDENCES (IRE LAND) BILL. Then hale were seeendly reed a third time and passed. PROMOTION IN TIIE NAVY. Earl TAI.IIOT moved foe copies of 60 much of the orders lm twined of the meth of June, Lsl7, and Ihth of August, Ittle, pis relates to the promotion of captains and crimman der- in the navy ; and also of any Tube restulationii made by Pie Admiralty for their guidance in the preventing say otds r- of the navy from obtaitiing their prinnotion, well se any rules fur consilleriog any officer of the nary eligible foe pronsiMien, in addition to the active service at sea, re cresting to the renters in council. These orders, be con-1 tended, inflicted great injustice iin the service, and that woe' kis rensurl ter muvine fur copies of them ; he hoped, how ever, ho shoohl hear from the governmi of that it woo their intmition to reit., them. The noble bird then !wanted out certain hardships which they bad halite:3 upon Admiral Sir Andrew linen, whip was enamel...wily put aside and lei , allowed to serve hi r Majesty. In tie cue, of !teen Admiral Misfire awl Sir John Ito., whip had served in the strut, rritiolls, and in the ease of Captain O'Brien. the same ermeilaint misted. Ile kutw another Oliver who had asked for employment WI line s—that was every quarter for 211 yi ,t,—viithout 'Wee... Ile wished to know why Ad miral Parker should have lawn put in eommand of the bleliterraiivan fleet, while other Officer, of greater bertiCo iirrre.plared on the retired list ? r.dl GREY raid there could be no possible objection to granting the orders moved for; indeed, he believed they were already before both houses of parliament. As to the m I, ctien of "Incurs for Mies, he believed the, were no rules ream rl to writing; he lionsl, therefore. his noble friend weal omit the emend part of his motion. Earl TALBOT consented to do so. Earl ,aItEY seri in that ease he should not tided; it no creeiry to rot into tip matters alluded to by the null: earl, futile r than to any that lie 411.1 not understaiid front the trade earl's statement what mune he wished the guvern mit lit to pursue. It was undoubtedly very ol,sir.thl , ter the interests of the "Irene, to repines tlw in, demi, list. Out el the large number Into dmirals toed, few could be employed on Relive service. lename e eases alluded to by the wilile earl, he In lieved not one of these nMio to had, at the time they entered the serriec, or fir many years alter, any better clUsties. of prinietion then they would now imp,. 'I he noble earl admitted that to qualify a man as admiral, Is, niust not only have served, but have eeriest nei ntly ; and that was the very spirit of the errant relulatiens. The noble earl hail complained of tin aV Oben Parker being so long continued in the Meiliteminean ; tint was it 60 tolerated that when the croon thought the PClTi r eeS of • he mrcular pacer •alipatile, in certain circumstances that ought to be died:iced !Wean. , other othccrs thought themselves as well yip sldio d Alter a few word. from the Duke of Noxell eutiERLANII, and Earl Theurer in reply. Th.e lint part of the motion was agreed to, and the second negatived. ROYAL ASSENT. 'I be lord Chaneellor, the Marquis of Clanricanle, and I the Earl of Cacli.le then took their seats as COMMitAiCNICTS. and t h e real assent was given to the hollowing bills : Chief Justine.' Nl:wits; Wood., Eurests, &e.; Arrest of Abscond ing Debtor. ; Expenses of l'reetocutiumo ; llosinault Forest ; Vie'orroi l'ark ; Unlawful Oaths (Inland) ; Turnpike 'fowls (Ireland) ; Private Lunatic A•ylunis (Ireland) ; "'oldie Works (Ireland) ; Local Avis (pro lirninary in- Toros) ; Charitable Institutions; Commons Enelmure (Aso : Civil Bala, Itc. (Ireland) ; Ecclesiastical Titles woo nigion ; Militia POT ; Soap Baths; sop) bold Enclo sure and 'lathe Coonasooionets ; Market Ito moral ; oats Stuck-iii-Tnuk. Also to the following local and private Lille Imperial Continental ties Association ; Impniventest ; 'Hartlepool l'ier and Part ;1 W Widow Ilarbour ; Magnet Electric Telegraph couspigay ; luipravernent ; Wexford Eree Bridge ; laynri VAIL y, and Duffer& Llynti and I'urt Canal hallway Warkworth Barbour Durk Company ; Manchester Im potent, tit ; Mataltester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland 'toot:lion ll:tawny ; Thames Raven Dock anal Railway; Trinity College, Dublin : Coontermest'osabnook Steam ( sad and iiii"ll..ll and Longbow 'Gala ay; Manchester and Salton' Extension Railway ; General Reversionary sod Inv. stment Company ; toiLisigow Provident Hank Estate; Muswolburglo (arrangement with creditors of the burgh) Estate: Estate, anal Moore'. Estate. The Earl of St. OEICMANS presented a petition from I the owlet. nl the Lisatearol Turnpike Roads, complaining of the VlLOmpteon from tolls of stage coaches carrying l i lt, oolietitell it WOO never intended by the legis lature that 11141111,1 carrying letter, should be (Acme. The exemption operated .o verdy on the trustees of the road., loot prevented their keeping faith with those who had tent t h eir money on the security of the trusts. The Marquis of t•LANRICAILDE regretted that be c.a., not, emisistently with his duty to the department OTC, 111r11 he prosidtd, recorntuend that the exemption shout maw. W err it not for the permiwion to carry passengers if,, of toll, the coach proprietors would not catty the tters at the some tate, and the public would stiller both in time and expense. Alter • fro words from Earl Minim and the Earl of St. . , and au iilwars stem from OW Marquis of CLAN prumising to gra • his be-t attention to the subject, and with a vww to devise a remedy to the grievance com plained of, The pet' ' was ordered to lie on the table. The 1 nit..l Church of Englund and Ireland Bill was read a third time o f passed. COI*ITT OF CHANCERY AND JUDICIAL COM- MITTEE BILL. Thio. bill wr.s rrad .;11tijdtirat111;1prord. (I ItI,LANI)) BILL. 'this bill pas.ed through cummittev, and was reported without ainvettlmunts. some hills brought up from the Commons were wad a first time. lordships adjoaranl at 8 edoek. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FitioAs, Arcusr The Sl.V.Alica took the chair of one o'clock. - - I'lll VAT K DU SI N ESS. The I.ords' anu•ndnients to the Shrewsbury and Chester Railway Bill, and the Duke of Bridgewater 6 Estate. Bill, were considered and agreed to. PUBLIC BUSINESS. NEW WRIT. Mr. Got LBERN moved that a new writ be issued for Downy:wick, in the room of Mr. Richard Kerr, who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Agreed to. PETITION PRESENTED. Inc CRYSTAL PALACL—EIy Mr. DEEDIiS, front Ash turd, in Kent and its vicinity, in favour of the retention of. NOTICE OF MOTION. EttillTß TRAM:HISS (SCVTLAND).—Mr. J. B. SMITH gave notice for early nest session, of a bill to enable forty shilling freeholders to vote at elections fur shires in Scotland. SUPPLY OF WATER TO TILE METROPOLIS. Mr. COW PER moved—" That the Wandle Water and I Sewerage Company Bill, Lee River Trust Bill, New River Company Bill, and East London Waterworks Bill, having been suspended, in consequence of • resolution of this house, he allowed to proceed, storing the next session of parliament, at the stage at which the said bills skall, at the termination of the present session, be suspended. 2. That if the pnimoters of the said bills shall give notice by adver tisement, once in the London Gazette, and for three succes sive weeks in the months of October and November next, ur one of them, in the local newspaper or newspapers which may be wittily in circulation in the part of the country through which the line of works is proposed to pass, of their intention to present a petition for the re-introduction of such bill. and it a petition for leave to bring in any of such bills shall be presented to the house during the next session of parliament, and referred to the exa miner of petitions for private bills, the examiner shall examine whether the said petition be the same in substance as any petition for the same purpose, and from the same par ties., which was premed in this session of parliament, and in that east whether a subscription contract or declaration in lieu thereof, as required by the standing orders, binding in the usual way the subscribers to the undertaking, has been entered into and is valid at the time of such inquiry, sad whether, in the caws where a subscription contract was sends, the deposit at U. per cent. upon such subscription is lodged in the manner required by the standing orders. 3. That in such ease, and on proof of such notice having been given as atseesaid, the standing orders with respect to any such bill shall be held to have been complied with, and the committee to which any such bill shall be referred shall ematisse whether the bill be in rimy regret the same as such former bill at the last shqm of its proceed ing in this house during the present ammon of parliament' . The object of the motion yr to prevent the promoters of these bills trout being put to the additional expense of com mencing proceedings de ieee in the next session. Agreed to. NEW ZEALAND SETTLEMENTS BILL. This bill was read a third time and pared, after a pro. test from Mr. V. Smarm, and a defence of the bill by Mr. Hawes; as also were the Lunatics (India) Bill, and Crown Estate Paving Bill. THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 2, 1851. COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION BILL. present session, otherwise he would most strenuously oppose !for home consumption. Petitioners held that these alters- The house having gone into committee on this bill, the measure. (Hear, hear.) tins would injure their trade by the vexatious provons The AT fORNEY-GENRAL moved the following Lord J. RL SSELL said he had in vain endeavoured to it would be necessary to make for tho protection v ii the clause ..—" And whereas it is provided by the act e 9 & 10 I ascertain the objections of the hon. baronet to this bill. ' revenue. Viet., cap. 9.0 see . 40, that the greatest salmies to be re- 1 liad l he stated anytangihle objec i eion, he (Loon J Russ i ,ll) ; Tie j pefition. waseedered to to lk ton the table. Delved in any case hy the judges and clerks of the County would, d, of eouree, have no objec t ion to postpone the ill. Sir J. rAtiuswroN . bring forward the following Courts shall be 1,2001. by a judge and 6001. by a . clerk, be But the objections of the hon baronet were really impalpix- motion of which he hod given notice : " 'That in the opinion it enacted that from and after the passing of this act the I ble. (Laughter.) The hon. baronet admitted he bad no 'of this house the British refiners of sugar should be per- greatest salaries to be received in any ease by the said objection to the principle of the bill, on the contrary, mitted to refine in bond, and to enter their mcmufacture for g reat judges and clerks respectively shall be 1,5001. by a judge that he approved of the measure with the exception of home consumption open oayment of the same duties as are and 7001. by a clerk." some few words contained in the Sib clause. Now these levied upon refined sugar imported into this country." lie Mr. W. WILLIAMS opposed the clause. By the ex- words were open to discussion and amendment; and he feared that, alter theomexpeetedly protracted sitting of this , baling law the salary of a judge of the County Court could (Lord J. Russell) would be glad to amend them in accord- morning, he should uppro ich the subjeet whirls he was be ineregeed Lem 1,0001. to 1,2001., which extra 2001., he once with the opinion of the house. (Near, hear) But it about to bring before the house with considerable dieadvan , thought, sufficient to compensate a judge for soy xtra we, not sufficient to reject f a bill because one of its clauses tage. But he could nut allow the session to close without . labour that might devolve upon tern. lie thought a contained objectionable words. Another objection taken pressing upon the attention of the government and the great portion C o unt bankruptcy business might be trans- by the hon. baronet wa* because of the history of the bill, house a question which, if it did not posses. • very general (erred to the Cunty Courts, which would save time and lie (Lord J. Russell) agreed if it were now proposed to lay and widely-spread interest, was of all the more importance , espenee to the public. down positive rules in the bill as to the enfrauchisement of to the parties who were immediately concerned. He I After a few words from Mr. Colt (SS for, and Sir G. the estates, teat the present would not be the timc to con- approached that suhject with no peaty teeth's( and Pzesixte against the bill, a i d these pros isionv ;it would be itnixraible to legislate 'no party abject. (Hear, hear.) His wish was to make The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the object of the ,on the subject in that case, and it would be only right that a calm appeal to the house and the government. There clause was to fix the maximum salary at 1,5001. Several of lit should be pistpoued. But that was nut the case.' were two dames allected by the law—one, the refiners these judges had now more onerous duties to perform than I (Hear, hear.) The present was an endeavour to settle ' themselve . s, and the other the British grower of sugar in others, and therefore it was intended that 1,400 i. should be the terms on which the ecclesiastical corporations . our colonies. (Hear, hear.) He would, in the first place, the maximum, and 1,0001. a-year as the minimum , with a and the lessees might come to an arrangement, i advert to the former chos. The right hon. gentleman op power to increase it to 1,2001. and, therefore, there were no positive terms laid down.lposite had just pretented a petition from, as he said, a large . After some conversation, The ceelesiostical commissioners could not suffer, because proportion of the Landon trade; and he (Sir J. l'a- Mr. HARDCASTLE said he had an amendment to pro- they should be consenting partim; neither cold , ' the homes kin ton was perfectly :Mare that the refiners of sugar , pose, which might be introduced at that stage of the bill. buffer, because they also should be consenting parties. in this country were divided in opinion IS to , the amendment was, " That it wil% eipealellt to provide (Hear, hear.) lithe terms were too hard as proposed by the expediency of the change lie was about to salaries for assistant clerks of the said courts in those cases the ecclesiastical corporation, the kowe coigne refuse them, urge. But, taking the whole of England and Scotland, Iwhere the office of clerk was hold by the same individual and he remained in the same position as previously. (Hear, a very large propurtien were not only in favour of, but , for more than one court. That the weedy lie year, uit was said that there might be a third party greatly desirous of the change he was about to propose. and such assietant clink to be an attorney, and duly ad- suite ring, namely, the general interest+ of the church and Suger, when for espoit, was allowed to be refiued in bond, , emitted in one of the superior courts." The amendment was negatived without a divieion. the public. but these interests were suf fi ciently guarded but was not perwatea to be refined in bond, to protect them from any damage. There was nothing home consumption. The consequence of that restriction was • es Mr. MU LLINGS said he had an amendment to move, improper, unfair, or unjust in the &mile of this that those whurefined fur exportation were expooel to double which he hoped would not be opposed. It VIM to the effect bill. If the last named interest were not sufficiently hardship. They were met in the foreign markets by the that the judges and clerks of the county court. be placed in a provided for then they might propose some other Dutch refiners, who received a bounty on the refined sugar like position with the judges and clerks of the superior body in place of the ecclesiastical commissioners. they exportW. (Ilear, hear.) lle was not prepared to courbi as regarded vacation, particularly between the pe- Ile admitted he slid not think the ecclesiastical commis- state with strict accuracy the amount of that bounty, but riots of the 10th August and the 20th October. siouen were the hest body to be entrusted with the powers. he had reason to believe it was at least 2s. 6d. per cwt. ThenHEOR of thc EX Cll MC was opposed the He thuueht the church estate commiesioners were a much The result of this bounty by the Dutch government on 1 amenent. The object of these courts was to dispense better body. As the bill was entirely voluntary and per- sugar clouded from Holland was that our refiners were cheap and speed y justice, which this amendment, if hoped he could not we any objection to it ; and therefore met by them in the foreign markets, and Phaseexd to disad- I adopted, would defeat. Mr. HENLEY said the effect would be to shut up the courts. several months in the year. Meer, hear.) Ile nea r ho t o li r e .) house would not refine to go jute committee. vantages so serious that in emus instaeshey were able to compete in those markets. were com- Mr. 11 EN LEY said the noble lord appeared to overlook pelted to export their sugar, and let it touch foreign I The clause was they negativea without a division. I party that was deeply interested, he alluded to those land; then to reship it, mid introduce it into this Mr..ANI moved the insertion of the following leseees who had not time to make themselves acquainted country as refined sager from &breed. Therefore, that clause - " And whereux by an act paseed in the Li t t year with the provieions of this bill. If this measure were now was a double charge, and hardehipeof every kind were in- of her present Majesty, entitled •An act to extend an act posed any complaint urged hereafter weeld be met with Meted upon theta as the results of this eircuitoue ; for the more easy recovery of small debts and demands in the reply, " You have a permissive bill, wait and see how and perfectly absurd process. One of the refining homes England, and to amend the same,' it was enacted, ' Oita it will work." (Hear, heat.) In his opinion it was inde- in this country had be en neces , itated, us, he was informed, , every clerk and assistant clerk appointed after the passing cent to press the measure such a way ; and therefore he to pay more than 1,300 i., owing to this übsurd systent ots of this art to any of such courts shell reside within the do should aleuoppese its further progress. (Hear, hear.) sending sugar to Guernsey und Jersey only to reintroduce rte trier of the court or courts for which he shall have been ap- Mr. NEWDEUATE spoke against the bill, and Mr.Srooxxa it. This was a part of the system which lie Ootied the go point, 'I ;' and whereas it is expedient to extend such prose- in its favour. vernmeut to defend. But that was out all the English re- nuns, be it therefore enacted that every deputy clerk ap- Mr. J. A. SMITH thought the wisest course was to go fin heel to contend with in the way . of competition. minted after the passing of this act to any of such courts into committee, suggesting, however, some doubts as to the The r e were other refiners, especially some in Scotland, who shall reside within the district of such court fur which he beneficial working of the measure, which depended umn by scientific inventions had uelvaneed very much in the art, I shall hue been appointed." unknown rules, to be framed by the Ecclesiastical Ceramist- and were able to produce refined sugar at a very cheap The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. opposea the sionere. rate. But if the government persevered in the present law, clause, as the art (lid not recognise deputy clerks. Leal D. STUART coademned the bill. 'hey had not haa when they came to the time for placing all sugars Mr. AGLIONBY would not divide the committee on the time to make themselves acquainted walk the details and on a per, these refiners with justice said that their clause, but he hoped the matter would be considered in a provisions of the meioure. red.ou, therefore, move that trade would to(cease—tar, hear)—aud that it would be im future session. the debate be now adjour (" ikar, hear," and possible fur them take advantage of the change cord come The clause was then negatived without divieion. " divide." iutu the market. With respect to the petition which the Th.. preamble was the agreed to, and the bill was or- Atter a few words from Mr. ALCOCK, right lion. gentleman had prevented be adulate! at ride dereil to be reprinted with amendments, suit considered to- Isle. AGLIONBY said lie would go into committee on the that there were sonie refiners who, fur their own interests 1:110170 , 1r, bill, with a view to render it aS perfect as possible. and objects—to which lie would presently advert—were ad- CHURCH BUILDING ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. Mr. RICE woula be content to leave the power in the verse to his proposition. But there were many others who On the consideration of tine hill, as eruended, hands of the ecclesiastical commiseioners. strongly advmeted that proposition, and he railed upon the The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved a clause that, Mr. MI: LLINGS concurred in the principle of the bill, government to meet him op this point—namely, that the " a ft er next avoidance the bishop may Cause a church to but thought it required certain alterations neognising trade of these penults was seriously injured, utol that the, be provided in any benclice having a psi elation of 10 per- the rights of the lessees on the principle of tenant right governmeut on their own avowed principles were bound to sone, end an income exceeding lea, where there has been (Divide, divide.) relieve them. It was not his intention now to enter generally' no church fur ten years." Lord J. RUSSELL said that he agreed with the hon. into the West India no t h is as he had given notice of a 1111; Mr. EREWEN thought the clause ought to be made to gentleman, that it would be unfairto make such high prices awl for next torgS.ioll. Ile would ouly advent° the legislation apply to places at resent void. the WAR of a compulsory rate. It would, on the other hand, ou the sugar duties, so far RS they affected the question — The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, if the intention of be hard not to allow those who wished to enfranchise to du the law of relining in bond. (Hear, hear.) Some the- hon. gentleman were carried out, a clergyman with a so. (Hear, hear.) might think thee, fur reasons of state policy, bench , * of 11'101. a year might he e"ffiloaled to ode , 1,3001. The house then divided— it was expedient to admit all suears alike, and to to build a parsonage house, which would have the effect of For the adjournment that had been reducing the lonelier to below WOO a year. Againet it 51-21 imposed upon them ; although he might think that course Sir J. DUCKWORTH oppoacel the clause. Mr. J. STUART said, that although he agreed in the right, he (eir J. Pakiughni) thought it wrong. (lkar, elr. GOULBI: RN also opposed the clause, on the ground principle of the bah. hi: must protest against going on with hear.) Yet no one on either side of the house would deny that it offered an inducement to parishiouers not to remit II measure which affected so much property without being that great hardship had been inflicted upon our West In their chunhes, but to throw the charge on the patrons of the able to give it more consideration. ile never saw the bill than colonies. (ikar, hear.) Therefore he contended that living". till that day. lie hoped, therefore, that it would not be in carrying out their own legislation the government had no The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took pressed on with haste. right so to shape their law as to inflict additional injustice, place, the clause having Area negatived by cement. Mr. FREWEN protested against the bill being driven and that when they proposed to place all wears, foreign and The bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. thruueli the house with such railway speed. lie moved British, on an equality in duty, they placed the Britieli EPISCOPAL AND CANT ULAR ESTATES MAN- that the bill be postponed for three months. (Hear.) sugar grower in a pueition of great dietdvantage and injury. AGEMEN't (Nu. 2) BILL. Sir B. IIALL hoped that if they went into committee it At preeent there was a differential duty of as. 6d. on brown On the motion for going into committee on this bill, would be on the unding that the bill warl not to be I elayed sugar. That was what they Phi sued to give fruin Lord J. RUSSELL stateel, in reply to Mr. J. A. Smith, passed into a law thaneesion. (Hear.) The subject was ! twit July, and the amount of duty ch the government that there were no recent rules of the eccleeieetwal commis before tho House of Lords for II weeks, whereas it was I had dectared to he their policy ter the present. In conee eioneto applying to the subject which could be laid on the early '2l hours be fore that house. This measure dealt with quote.: of the dillannee in quality between British and table. millions of property, and the parties interested had no foreign grown, the difference in yield was declared to be at Mr. AOLIONBY appealed to the government not to inns knowledge of its contents except what they read in the , leoet it thin rate of per cwt., to be taken from the the measure this sessiou. papers that morning. (Hear, hear.) I nomal duty. lie thought the argument would be ren- Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY did not think it fair or honest , Mr. CAYLEY 'mid that clauses protective of the lentos . dered stronger and clearer to the house if he looked to preen forward this bill until they had before them the '' ought to be introduced into the preame and body of the I forward to the next three years, an assumed that no , evidence on which it was founded. bill. Unless that was done, he did not on how they could ' change in that time took place i n et the sugar duties. : con clusion w come to a satisfactory ith reg The SOLICITOR-GENERAL should sa y the bill was and to it. lie had : Carrying forward the view, then, to the year Heal, when only . pennissive, and enabled ionic, to do that which th e y no more expectation yesterday morning that the bill would , foreign and British sugar would stand on equal terms, he could not at present di., even though inclined. be peened terward than lie had of being in California. I would show that instead of equality being the re sult, the Alter a few words from Vol. TROMrsION and Mr. An- Col. SIIITIIORP pressed the postponement of the bill. I British grower would be placed in a position of unjust dis til/INV, Mr. HENLEY said that lie would willingly go into corn- I parity and disadvantage. After the year Veil there would Sir B . !TALL said there was a strong feeling that the mittee with a view of making it as good a measure as pm- Ibe three sorts of sugar upon w hi c h duty would be payable-. present eystem should be aboliehed- As the reOresentatives able, provided tho noble lord assured them that the bill ' white elayed sugar, white cloyed British eluscovado, and of the ho sees in parliiinunt, they demanded that full time was not to be pressed further this session. (Hear, hear.) It : foreign brown desalt. The two lost of these three sorts should be given to consider this bill. They wished to put was rued that this was not is compulsory bill ; but same par- I embraced nineteen-twentieth of the sugar which came into , a stop to the a c t to ?Islets of taking fines un 1 ties would, from peculiar circumstance', enfranchise at any , cunsumption in this country. The whole of that sugar ' I leases with respect to church property, Why should thin price, and having obtained so much the commissioners would pay Ris. per cwt., and the duty on all the sugar lin the Home of Commons be placed in a worse situatin would say if you do not accept our terms ere will run the would embrace. the coarsest and most inferior sugars than the Heise of Lards? (Hear, hear) 'the commie- teams out. (Hear, hear.) from the West Indies with the finest foreign produce. lie sinners had made two reports admirably well calculated to Lord J. RUSSELL did not see what good was to be oto ' contended that the nineteen-twentieths of the consumption, 'eff e ct the object they had in view. A bill was founded upon tained by going i n to committee, so the her. gentleman pro- from the coarsest up to the finest sugars, would pay Its. 'the first of these reports which was brought in by the ems- posed, unless he could guarantee that the bill would be The duty on fine sugar was 13s. 4d., and he presumed that , copal and capitular body and the ecclesiastical commis. accepted next session as it came from the committee, which • the theory was that the difference between the fine and Rimier*. But what took place ?On the bill being read a second of course he could not do. With regard to what luxe! fallen coarse would be made up by the average production of the I time, objection* were taken to it ; but it woo however, per- from the hon. member (Mr. Cayley), it was impossible for duty on raw sugar in the whole. The average production raitted to he read a second time upon the understanding that it him to say that he would agree to protective clauses unless fruits the coarse sugar was fifty in the hundred, while the should be referred to a select committee. Accordingly, it he knew what the precise nature and effect of these clauses production of the superior sugars from Java and the Ha wes referred to a select committee, the members of which were• vandal/ averaged eighty or ninety tu the hundred. By committee being the Archbishops of York and Canterbury, The house then divided— the law all urger was connalled to pay duty upon the Bishogs of London Winchester Lincoln Seliebur . • • . . T, For Mr. Frewen's motion 37 the raw material, therefore when inferior sugar was Norwich, :ford, and St. Aeaph. (Cries of " Read on.") Against lB-11 placed on the same footing as to duty with su lk admitted there were some laymen on the committee ; Lord J. RUSSELL was ready to consent to the post- perior, the result would be against the inferior but there ecclesiastical commissioners should not have sat moment of the consideration of the clauses till Monday.. quality. lie was showing that if the average quality of upon the committee, inaemuch as they were intereeted par- He believed no one would have more cause to regret the 1 British sugar and foreign sugar was so inferior to that se tech ties. The bill was read a eeeend time in April, and was failure of the bill, should it fail, than tlw lese I came from Cuba and Java that it was absurd to make them referred to the select committee on the '22nd of May. The The bill then went through committee pr o . 00rma, and Pay the Sallie duty. Therefore he asked the government second clause proposed that the church estate coin- was ordered to be recommitted on Mlinday at five o'clock. to allow the refiners to refine first and then pay the duty, miseioners for the time being should be commissioners CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. the consequence of which would he that they would make for this act. Now that was what he desired. Lord J. RUSSELL said that in consequence of the great , the real duty what it ought to be, an ad valorem duty, and What wete they to do ? According to the third number of clauses in this bill, and the law peribd of the the inferior sugar would be no worse off than the superior clause they were to summon witnesses, to examine session, it was not his intention to pass it further during the the principle of the sugar duties weds ad slee p . (Hear.) And here he must remind the house that th e m, and to call for returns. In that case the public present 'onion. eem. The would be made aware of the extent and amount of church principle of equal duty on unequal quality was unjust and property. lie believed that in consequence of that power GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH BILL. unfair to carry out, and all he asked 011 behalf of our West On the order for the committee on this bill being read being given to the commissioners, the bill • I Indian colonists was that the government would allow them was ejected by Mr T. EGEItTON presented a petition signed by the the prelates who sat upon that committee. On the ' P -'d of ' ., - . . lto pay the duty which their sugar was really worth. Let July—two months subsequently—it was reported that - it mayor, common council, might an ds,l2einhabita in n . bi n of e Nalel t ess e them pay duty on what they produced, and let not govern field is e•gthttht be . included h was not i xpedient to proceed further with that bill, and it o a t. ' - ' a ' m e a a town ment, under the pretence of looting the same duty upon wire thereupon rejected. What next occurred ? A second foreign and British produce, inflict a great practical disad- The house then went into committee and passed the venture on the British grower. (Rear, hear.) What bill was immedietely brought into the house, and was read o k owe a second now on the 25th of July. It was committed on would be the answer the government would give to the 28th, and was read a third time on the 29th. le was On - the schedule being Proposed, nierted lordthis motion ? He was sorry to observe that the noble Mr. T. EGERTON move that Macclesfield be i tent down to the House of Commons on the 31st, prieted • at the head of the government was not present. • contending that it was essential for the health of the town That smi put into the hands of hon. member about ten o'clock that in regard d •1 paving ' to drainage , sewerage, ant d should be , noble lord would confirm him when he said that an in pusterday morning. (Hear, hear.) They were asked to fluential deputation of sugar refiners had waited upon him under one management instead ot under three as at 1011.111 t to a second reading in about six hours afterwards ; placedin order to press their case upon his attention. lie (Sir J. Lresent. f ie was surpnsed to find . that the member for the mai sow, in about twenty-four hours afterwards, they were Pakington) was one of a deputation on the part of the rough was opposed to this proposition. stied to go into committee on the bill. (Hear.) Ile con- Mr. BROCKLEHURST had been entrusted with a ti- . West Indies, whdebeil waited upon (tie Chancellor of the dialed the conduct of the government most discreditable • P e Exchequer to represent the injustice of their case, and , which he h a dopportunity ' • [ion us repried this measure, and the haste with which it was that right hon. gentleman heard courteously every state • by a large number of ratepayers, pmying that the town of gam* _oast indecent. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") If the ma I ti Idbe included • cc es e might not. they wished to have rent advanced by the deputation, and—said nothing. reside lard persisted in passing the hill through this session. • Ile must now advert to thet class of refiners who objected he (Sir B. Hall) should say he believed the noble lord was time to see what they were about, and what they could to his proposition. Ile would state what he labouring under some glees of episeophobia, which it was afford before they were saddled with any additional expense believed to be the secret of their object. No impossible to comprehend. (A laugh.) They had been w ' f,' the heavy rates to which they were now liable. num could enter into the sugar refining teed , without a told that this bill was founded upon a report of a ' -.1 er some further conversation, the committee divided— ' very large capital, for he had to pay not only the value of cmmittee of the other house. He (Sir B. Hall) would For the motion. tall attention to the last paragraph in page , Against lO-34 The consequence of that was that the trade fell into a very of that report, which stated that neither the bishops nor Macclesfield was accordingly inserted, and the preamble few hairdo and he believed that this class of sugar refiners any other body were bound by any obligation in law or was paned, and the home then resumed. did enjoy a monopoly which it was their desire to equity to renew these leases. There was, however, a CANTERBURY ASSOCIATION BILL. retain. (Hear, hear.) And he believed also that if moral obligation upon them to do so, and so the loaves This bill passed through committee, and the various they acted together, which it was their interest thought. There was a just consternation created amongst clauses were agreed to. to do, they could control the sugar market to a the lessees of church property in respect of this bill. Ile BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. degree perhectly inconsistent with the interest of the (Sir B. Hall) had been beset that morning by a body of Sir J. PAKINGTON . moved that the other orders be consumer. (Hear, hear.) As an illustration of the mode them, who sulked him to exert his influence in oppoition postponed until after the motions, on the of among a certain portion of the London trite ground that an dealing ain to this measure. Under this bill ,if a pereon holding a arrangement existed by which he should be allowed reference to the alteration he proposed, let him relate to the Ere went to the bishop and wished to have enfianehised o • o . • • • referring to helot a little incident which incurred hest month, and , ring on is motion, in respect to sugar in bond, appoint put his own valuer to determine what the they had been sitting from one o'clock, the house would probabl aware—the right hon. gentleman was well swore be _ aws' value should be, he would have power to do so. too much exhausted if he thatthe present t • talltookplace in are under sys cm a was not allowed to bring it oa at TM valuer might say that the prospective value was once , duties of Is. on British and Is. 6.1 e on foreign sugars. No 2,0001., whilst the present value was only 200/. Mr. C. LEWIS and Lord PALMERSTON agedthat sooner had that fall taken place on the sth of July, than The bishop thereupon would demand • the 2,0001., which, the remaining business would not occup y a more ,than proportionate fall occurred in the prices of twit the other objecting to my, he (the bishop) . might say,minutes, more than a few . and it would be inconvenient to defer it. sugar. Since then the price of sugar had fallen 2s. per "If yea will not give 2,0001. you must take 200/ • ' e being Sir J. PAKINGI ON withdrew the motion. cwt. (Hear.) But the price of refined sugar had not the present value of the holding, and give it up to me." (Hew, hear.) Now, let it be observed they were called NUISANCES REMOVAL AND DISEASES PRE- fallen at all. (Hear, hear.) It remained now at the price upon to sanalket a bill based upon such a preposterous pro- VENTION BILL. it had been before the fall in the r' p ice of raw sugar, and pukka es that. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir B. Hall) alts- This bill p aved through committee. therefore the refiners were now pocketing that reduction of mat the most valuable church property in Middle-Ibex, o The amendments to the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Bill, the 2s. per cwt. and the British public for whose in house legislated had dented ten't the ha s ay ny other part of the kingdom. Theparochial ......! Summary Juilidietion (Ireland) Bill, and the Constabulary from it. ( Cheers .) That no benefit whatever ' Mint of Peddington amounted to 376. .on the annual Force (Ireland) Bill, were considered and agreed to, an that be had not taken • fa ct . . went a long . way to show en illegitimate or unfair view of the value The whole of that parish nearly belonged to the the bills were ordered to be read a third time to-morrow real object • ot these refiners. (Hear, hear.) He showed to Bishop of London ; and there were about 2.000 or 2,500 of e (this day). the house that there were adverse interests in this q • his aSer B. Hall's) constituents deeply interested in the COLLECTION OF FINES, &c. (IRELAND) BILL. and t he believed question, sugar refiners he were paid half per cent. of that bill. By the Bth claim it was proposed that This bill was real a third time and passed. on the sales they made. Looking to these refiners ; looking re s rr g ester portionof the business tube transacte under the COMMISSION ROYAL ASSENT. to any other class which had an interest of its own bill was to be placed in the bands of those me whorl perpetrated Mr. Pulraan, the Yeoman Usher of the BI k acßod,then in this matter he asked the go vernment • 'web disgusting abuses, and who were condemned by the approached the table and summoned • d principle to bear in the house to attend in min the upon which they had acted—to people saunvrorthy of their confidence. A documenthad just the House of Lords • towitness the • thus buss placed ni bis hands by a body of lereces holding remember that . . , assent to several bills, for the titles of which sec Lords' trade in the changes they had made in the commercial law repot, loader the Bishop of Chichester. That document report. done lea ahem wader wbuch they laboured in consc -.pence On the return of the house, be now influenced by the interest of these refiners, or by et eft smose. sad they called upon all those who held SUGAR DUTIES —REFINING IN BOND. the interests of any other body of men to resist this motion. gusperty_llhe thimiselves to attend a general meeting to be Mr. LABOUCHERE . • bed at We. 6, Lantetreet, Borough, on Monday , 4 h wh ic h . wished said he had to present a petition (Hear, hear.) NS hat were the grounds of reeistance ? Ile nelt. Why, the bill was likely t An- to he to call the particular attention of the was sorry not to see the Chancellor o f to be passed before they house. It proceeded from 23 0 f the refining ' UM sots meeting. (Haar, hear.) How was it possible houses f the e OM lemma ef church property in distant ts of the king- there or market. He believed that in London ' heard and read, he believed that the only objection to his ea mil isww, what wee paring in pare were only 21ox 2.5 of these firms, so that it might be Proposal, or at all events the only objection which could be e at that regarded as theyienta e at? (Hear, bear.) He did on of almost the entire trade. It was °Maly urged was that danger was apprehended to the re not object to the prin. signed by Mr. Martineau • Mr. dile of the bill, leg to this hurried mode of the grea t sugar refi ' .. Davi es , and indeed by all venue. If that were so t they would perhaps tell him that apadoe. In his all 1 .. nen in the metropolis. The prayer of the revenue would he injured directly by the toes of duly mow was Cm, the government the petitioners was that no alteration whatever should be and indirectlyby frauds 1 -1 to Poo bill, so as to be olds' an evasions. He admitted est to Peas to it bianale a, a made in the law relating to sugar refining th during e pre. if the change he proposed were made the rank wail be precedent for' sent session, and they stated that th ia ller au =des. ND laid so etpatioe to consider the bill proposals for ' al pedid ihe noble lord would give an in bond ini terabon, one to alter the system of refining and all fi ne sugar in a raw state, and that if that were the lIIIIIIIIM lila lisp ieaaim sawing in thi who tua gene generally and the other to allow certain houses cue the revenue might lose. (Hear, hear.) But he inde bond for ex p or t t o en t er th e i r p ro d uce nied their right to keep up the revenue upon a ely that friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer; and persons of argument theiee, government might use, palpable injustice. With respect to the other part of the i deratione which had been place befo his right hen. evasion, he asked them to explain what frauds avou at prao jh 1 posed alteration would entail, his right hon. friend would indirect loss would accrue to the revenue from frau ld d and mapraucetittacalvteoxrpetreipernmcenatnedd tfhie:tminn,eqformueed.terwthhiechpatiiiieitsrtant. dace that effect. This was no new proposal. _ Sug fact- public purse had he allowed any relaxation of system likely fined for export he admitted, but there was as much he it was to injure so seriously the revenue. (hear.) As far as he (Mr. j been relined in boad for 20 years. That it had born so re . - obviously have been wanting in his duty as guardian of the lily for fraud when the was for ex for home consumption. star lhe only h vernment were parties having two establishments : one establishment the refining would be done on a larger s ecatl portation ; and a second differrnee d Itilwowuld when that Labouchere)was informed, the parties who urged the chanao e r dan act fur refining sugar in bond for ex ofjustice to the West Indian colonic they oter‘ wished, i ts the great injustice—if they reeiste . a the motion on the plea o mar t . . , f k - .t Now it was repreaented that if such parties wero to interfere with the present system, which wea ry w u o m r ' king out establishment, out of bond, for the supply of tie house iiitisatlheonwaajrl, lv b u ; fide, and prove their case. The hon. baronet concluded .th had trade in consequence of the inequalities which would arise ; thanking the house for the attention with which ey e w t i w iu o ld "' b ' e te iTfi s injury to the revenue, then they wen ,bound to doso and that such parties alone would be the gainers by the tiep e ni greatesti ttcil to injusticework th heard him. he now submitted to the house that under house should these eircurnstnnces, slut at this period of the session, it bring stated briefly the reasons ally ho thought the the facta the great body of the sugar refiners were averse not egret to the resolution . Ile did not dispute proved that . Mr. LABUCIIERE, in the absence of Sir C. Wood, change. 1 throe would be proefueed and of the inconveniences which restrictions upon trade, operated unfavoura ly " 1 1 at all would arise; and it being further necertained from the • that the restrictions imposed upon sugar-rtning, like all to the alteration on the ground chin the inequality whieh concerned in the manufacture ; but this was ,au and • bc attended with risk to the revenue it them ost severe I n aware C huff 4,000,0001. were levied on this article; , . . ardise that ra- study:lie Were no reser t t t al t would be in the thickest the question beore the house. (Hear, hear.) 1. he house mod experienced Excise officers that such a change wouid unless lion. gentlemen were prepared to jeep coved " Mr. MI1"11ELL supported the motion, the obegtieris there were any restrictions which might safely he N f h re e m whole offered to which lie treated as extremely weak. Mr. La . venue, the only question for consideration was whether ' degree inexrdient to agree to the resolution proposed.. as illillTiOUll er superfluous. (Hems hear., . • ' h eat i was a restriction which he had justified on the ground that ,after full investigation, the government h wit h gr nt ' the London refiner , did not desire its removal, the motive matter bad been repeatedly looked into by the government, . bouchere hail admitted that the prohibition to refine in bond ' reluctance c ime to the conclusion not to disturb t . t p . arket. The plea that the change would Mahe fraud was without portation from the refiners of sugar fur the ome h m system of separating the refiners of sugar h lion ' t ' l f r o Te- of which was obvious—to keep up a profitable monopoly. h n ‘ 1 has ' Mr. WILSON rose and was about to address the hoes?, Benton hadloidgreat strees,hecould assure the home e e . 1 an could do that it WAS . As regarded the case of the colonies, on which the .. o . gen- 1 evidenee. • strongly as the hon. geotlem • their when an honourable member oved that the house he cially our West Indian colonies, from every commercial um- ! journed at a quarter before 9 o'clock. . duty as well as their interest to free our colonies, and ... espe- , counted, and 37 members only bung, present, the house ad :to interfere with their prosperity. The hon. baronet had J pediment, the effect of which wean) fetter their industry or ........___._ s tated that the grievance under which the West India n ' colonists suffered by the existing system was that they exported their sugars in the coarse state, and that the con sequence was that as the duty was paid, not oa . the sugar when refined, but on the suga r as it ethereal thus country, they were, in point of fact, subjected to a d i scouragement by a duty which was meant to apply equally. Now, this question had been much considered by tire committee winch sat iu 181 t, and over which Lord George Bentinck pre- sided. It was quite true that the hon. member for V. cat ; bury (Mr. J. Wilson), one of the members of i the committee acknowledged at that time, with , other gentlemen who bud sat on the committee, that m the scale stood a substantial grievance had been wade out. But did no alteration iu the law take place in 1 con sequence of this investigation ? Th e hon. baronet was perfectly well aware that at the recommendation of the committee—a recounneudation made in reference to this I special grievance—a material change in the low took place. blusco- 11Wt: won't be ladders any more for other men to Au intermediate duty on brown clo y ed, between ', wa de and white cloyed, was agreed to, in order to meet this mount on." So say the tenant fanners of Suffolk, particular case. In some degree, therefore, this grievance w akening to a WINO of their true position, and re -1 had been dealt with. Sir J. PAKINGTON—But my motion is prospective. solved to be duped no longer. Mr. LABUCCHEItE—No doubt ; but the motion did What has been achieved by mourning over a lost not refer to 18.534; and in the month of August, it w t; a : quite sufficient to argue as to what might be . u . r .could of protection? What would be gained by the orropicrs done in 1851. (Hear.) Another alteration, diminishing the difficulty complained of, had been made iu regard to the quarter • land by the re-enactment of a duty of, say, Zis. a on cons ? Would 15/, a year on a farm management of sugar in the colonies. He believed that the of 100 acres—supposing the whole amount of quality of the sugars imported from British possessions the duty to sink into the farmer s pocket, approached now much more nearly the quality of foreign sugars than at any previous period. Iu both the East and West Indian sugar-producing colonies there hail, of late years, been considerable improvement in the process of or the reverse ? , Working sugar : and the result had been that the sugar from these places competed favourably in quality with sugars of Cuba and other foreign sugars of sugar-producing countries. There was, again, no reason to suppose that „ resco there had been any diminution in recent years iu the quart- 1 " which it assuredly would not—make the differ ence of comfort or the contrary:, independence to him NO such toting; and if not, why should the cultivators of the soil submit any further to be arrayed against the rest of their coun trymen in a political struggle of which no man eats dressed to the thy of sugar imported into this country from our colonies. . 0 In aacertaining • . this tact he looked to the triennial aye- to form nn agricultural ? Such were the sentiments ad the mectin ,, held the other day at Ipswieli agricultural re li e f association ; and they rages, which appeared a fairer test than the figures of a appear to have elicited hearty expressions of sup particular year. He admitted that this year the imports- port and sympathy from those present. For truth nun from the West Inds had fallen off; but he believed will ever find an echo in the hearts of earnest men ; that this was chiefly to lie ascribed to the calamity which had occurred to Jamaica. The chole ra, which had counsel il and men who meet together to take m utual committed such ravages in Jamaica, had de- as to the exigencies of their own condition, are tlio prived that colony of its required number of roughly in earnest. ' labourers, and there had been a consequent decrease It is plain that the occupiers of land in England in its usual exportation of sugar ; but he believed that from _ well as • none of the otht r West Indian colonies had there beat any .• in Ireland begin to feel that they have material diminution. 'f eking the triennial averages, the been befooled by the owners of land, who in order to g eneral result was most satisfactory ; and, while conaidera- have an excuse for exacting more rent, have gone Me benefit had been conferred generally on the revenue about taking the name of the yeomanry in vain. from the entire importation, there was no reason to suppose The electioneering cry of " all in tlic same boat" that any injury had been inflicted on the colonies. He will no longer onswer. Diminution of tuxes, re would nut read the items ; but the totals of the trimnial averag es were these : In the three years, 1839 to 1811 in- J moval of hindrances to proper culture , and secur i ty elusive, there were imported from the British West Indies Ifor the value of improvements made at the te nants 12,389,0110 cwt.; in the next three years, 1842 to 1814 in : cost and risk,—these are the rightful end reason elusive, 2,487,0 00 cwt. ; in 1845 t o 1817, inclusive, ' able 2,733,718 cwt. ; and in the last three years,. t Will ere long be made by every the kingdom. Afore 1850 inclusive, 2,740,619 cwt.; being a trifle more in Mauritius the increase had been greater. In the first I are at first set forth period, the importation had been 620,000 cwt. ; in the next ! unexceptionable. period, 568.000 cwt. ; in the third period, 9114,000 cwt. and in the last period, 929,000 met. From the East Indies, the importation had been an the first period, 716,000 cwt. ; 1818 _.: and demands which the men of Suffolk make, may nut perhaps ho . ore valleuetcnnusiay adlliequiateh they i l l ‘‘ atta c e i hed t e t y o ;lone species of fiscal remission in one district than in another. in the next period, 1,011,000 cwt.; in the third period, must ever ben question of par I,:isn,Ooo cwt.; awl in the last period, 1,381,000 cert. While, therefore, the general supply of sugar had increased of The repeal of the malt-tax, for example, tial popularity ire coin in with the alleviation of many other burdens general and indiscriminate pressure. Some por than in the three years preceding. Front the . county to the great advantage of the revenue, and to the great tions of the country its like manner suffer bete tit of the consumer in this country, it was apparent that the gratifying result had not loomaccomplished by a fur snore than oihers from the excessive r ifi c e which he for one should greatly lament I —the sacri . preservation of game. But the great princi ' flee, namely, of the augar-produring interests of the British ;pies of agricultural relief are developing possessions. And as to prices, those interests had n o ground j themselves, and will take shape, as all important for complaint. Taking the last four years, up to the 31st :things are apt to do, experimentally and gradually. j December, the price of Muscovado, EasJ and West IndianJ tild the ' sugar, had been , in 1817, 225. per cat.; in 1848, 2'2s. per I ' y grop ' ewt.; in 1819 , 2 fis. per cwt.; an d in 1850, 275. per cwt. I great any are obviousl u aced round the ono d firm centre—namely, benefit for the ' Thus, therefore, the larger supply to this country had not j farmer which the trader will not grudge, instead of ' been accompanied by anything like that ruin to the West j gambling gain at the expense of the inhabitants of ' Indian colonies which had been predicted. (Hear, hear.) I the towns. He would admit, then, that if sugar refining iu bond for 1 ' home consumption could be allowed it would be a boon to Far from deprecating or opposing the increased J the West Indian producer: and he thought that that boon security of agricultural tenure, for example, the mu 'ought to be g ranted, unless very serious practical objections I nufacturer and the merchant would gladly aid ill could be urged to the concession. Ile would now, therefore, I giving the occupier of the soil new inducements ' state the real objections to the motion of the hon. baronet. Ito improve mid invest capital in his holding. The hon. baronet had treated rather lightly that petition . from London sugar refiners which he (Mr. .Labouchere) jlt is impossible to interest conceive any more clear ' bad laid on the table that evening. The hon. baronet had ' pe t . or rmanent Inn that which the conitnerciai classes J represented that this petition Was only signed by a majority !have in the well-being : the content,and the inipmve ' of the sugar refiners of London. lie (Mr. Lahouchere) Anent of the agriculturists. Let these latter only say . begged to inform the hon. baronet that it was signed by 1 what common burthens they desire to have lessened, nearly every one of the sugar refiners of the metropolis ; I and he further begged to remind the hon. baronet that the what local control over local expenditure they wish sugar refining trade of London was somewhat larger than 'to obtain, what reformation in rural economy, the whole sugar refining trade of the rest of the United' whether as regards game or tithe, or any other Ki ng d om . The hon. baronet had said that the sugar re- matter they think necessary, and public opinion liners were divided in emotion. There was no doubt ;that in the towns will cheerfully act in concert they were ; but they we're divided most unequally.l (hear, hear.) He (Mr. Labouchere) denied that among , , I with theirs ; and parliament will speedily the sugar refiners out of London there was anything like ix OO occupied with . practical propositions to unanimous belief that the alteration proposed by the hon. ; effect the objects in view. Instead of squabbling b aro net would be generally useful to them or advantegeous ! over the dead hotly of protection, the representittice9 to their trade. (Hear, hear.) He denied that they •of the people, both urban and rural, would be found were at all satisfied that such a proposal could be assented to without subjecting their trade to' acting together. The oldoligarchy—theircommon new restrictions of the most mischievous description. enemy—might continue for a time to struggle; but (Hear, hear.) Whets the case had been first submitted to I once united by the lavinn• aside of class differences, the government the Chancellor of the Exchequer went into 1 and the power of the Milan-numbering masses would it with the utmost desire to arrive at a conclusion enabling I soon prove irresistible. him to grant a greater amount of freedom to the sugar- I I Another session has been allowed to mss without refiners. lie (Sir C. Wood) saw repeated deputations on I hi the subject ; and eventually he employed some of the most :an yt thin effectual be done towards placing county ing experienced officers of Excise to examine into the process of rates and expenditure under representative control. sugar-refining, and to report upon the effect which the sug- Every city ana town in the realm has the exclusive gested change in system would have upon that pro- !lower to levy and expend its own niunicipul iuconic. eras as respected the interests of the revalue. And I x t when that report was submitted to the sugar-re- -J Vhy should not every county h • the • • ? Yet me SUM . finers they did not gainsay the assertion of the I where lies the blame? Hitherto with the counties Excise officers that certain severe restrictions would be I themselves, whose claim for local self-rule has been necessary if the revenue was to be protected; and they re- absolutely thwarted and resisted by county represen plied that they would not thank the government for a boon tatives, while its advocacy has been chiefly left to the which would be so accompanied. The hon. baronet had J enliehtened representatives for the great towns. Hero admitted that if his proposal were adopted and the refining j . o . in bond for the home market were to he permitted, the .is a simple and practical object, which might be t' a system would have to he made general and compulsory. 1 great extent secured within a short apace of time, if Sir J. PAKINGTON had not said this. All he had said every candidate for a county at the next general elec was that if making the system compulsory or to meet the lion was compelled to answer on the hustings this objection of the government as to revenue, he would have no objection to it. question—will you vote for a bill vesting the power Mr. LABOUCHERE.—Yes : but thoueh the hon. of county taxation and expenditure in a permanent gentleman assented, it was a fact, that the trade generally board elected by the ratepayers ? greatly objected t o, rendering such a system compulaory. Nor is this a solitary example. Equitable corn (Hear, hear.) The excise officers had said two things: first, pensation for tenant-made improvements is a matter that, if such a system were to be allowed at all, it must be of common right and justice, against which nobody compulsory and universal, all refining houses to be on an equal footing ; and, in the next place, that restrictions, for but a landlor can be found to contend. Were the the sake of revenue, would have to be introduced, which support of a reasonable measure of this kind made a would he so burdensome and harassing as to interfere with test at the county hustings next time, instead of sup the actual working of the concerns. The reasons upon port of delusive motions by Mr. Insa.mr, or of which the latter opinion was haled were of • very ma ., technical character, not easily explicable to the gmary and impossible projects of protection, the house ; but, briefly, the cause necessitating restric- security so much desired by many , and so salutary for tions would be this. Sugar refining was not a single, all, would become a certainty before long. Finally, it simple operation. You could not take a lot of sugar, refine needs only that the industry of country and t own it, and have done with it. Were this so, the cheek would should come to an understanding as to what taxes be easy ; for by the sugar gone in a calculation might be thev . choose to have modified or removed , and th eir made as to the sugar which ought to come out. But this e was not the case. After one batch of sugar had been re- combined will would prove itself supreme. It has fined, a sort of syrup remained, which went to the next heretofore been the aim and interest of the tax-eating batch, and in this way it might be said that sugar refining few to divide the nation by means of a fietitielti was a perpetual operation, the residue of one working cause of antagonism. It ought to be the work of all being used in the next working—thus leading to a system, on the part of the Excise which, if extended, would be true friends of popular and. national prognss to re ef practical inconvenience to the trade. (Hear, hear.) unite and bl end those who arc naturally each other's The question of the hon. baronet was, why, if they prop and slay allowed sugar to be refined in hood for exportation, not allow the same to be done with sugar for home consump tion ? It had to be considered, however, that the trade of sugar refining in bond for exportation was in the hands of very few houses. (Hear, hear.) The operations of these arras were conducted on a great scale. Their buildings bed been constructed specially for these extensive operations, and all their arrangements were of a kind admitting of Vdsecurity to the revenue. But if the proposal of the baronet were weeded to, and other parties were to be permitted to nine in bond for the home market, those parties would, is may instances, have to alter the situation of their preening, Sid to build new premises ; and after l all ens bad bola name there would be still the risk of such Amos WINS Site compel the government to put a stop to Ms wllisto system (Hear, hear.) These were the coasi- Zit, //):Prtg;# TO CORRESPONDENTS. Ssmoind Edition " to Espreot,' . cksdaining the same eres:lg's o Gazette," is pubil.hed every Esteodair and Friday night, in time for poet. Advert termed. intended for "The Ezpreen," Lawton Errnlng paper, 1111UAt be at the Ottu,c, W, Bourcrie.et.r.et, by Two o'clock on toe DIOR WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TUIA bh. 23m. Afternoon, Mi. 4.Sia. TO•11011WW-3torousg, 616 Ant ISO" 4/1. LONDON, SATURDAY, AUGUST 2. WE venture to bespeak our readers' attention to the following facts relative to the present incumbcut of the bishoprick of Durham, and to his episcopal income. The predecessor of Dr. MALTBT in that see ‘‘,l 4 • it will be recollected, Dr. VAN lkitutenr, a %cry learned theologian, an amiable and inolfeusi‘e gt.u• tleman, and a liberal and generous prelate ; the must remarkable incident of whose incumbency was the foundation of the Durham University—an institution which, in spite of some important defects, and a u. uupopulat wardcu s has had large success, parue pi 11 Jet thi