The Express. — London, England, 1848-05-17 00:00:00

lIMIM , bad reduced the number of stalls ha. the cat hichhedral 0001. was 8 to sea ; its revenues were 20,00 W. per ILDMISI, of w , divided among the chapter —the dean taking two s horn, and each of the canons one share. Now, besides the estates from which this revenue was derived, the dean and chapter were retries by themselves or their nominees of about forty livings, and by law they not only may but must present themselves to these livings. each *anon being permitted to hold 011. bonetice in conjunction with his cathedral stall. He therefore found that the seven members of the chapter held the seven best benefices, the revenues of which amounted to-9,200 1 . per annum ;so that under the law as, r emodelled the dean and chapter of Canterbury , may divide amongst them 17.0001. per annum, thus giving to each canon about 2,0001. per annum. In addition to the den and chapter, there was • very large establishme kept ap, consisting of a sub-deacon, precentor, chan cellor, sacrist, minor canons, tee surer, chorister, weed ranger, and others. Now, such being the revenue and such the establishment, the question that would naturally be asked was, " What is all this establishment for ? what good does it tend ? What advantage dote the c h u rch or the co untry derive from it ? What are the duties performed, and what the services rendered to the muse of religion ?" In imager, it wee& melancholy acknowledgment to mak p utt o that these estatiliehments existed not to the strengthening. the extinction of religion. Oast of the reasons which had been put teeth in favour of maintaiuing so large a duly staff was the a dvertise.) which it would give of a Wyk , being performed with all solemnity . Now he had taken a retina of the attendances on the service by the people en two out of five days in the last week, and he tound that in Canterbury Cathedral, as in other places, the to th attenat - dan at ser vice of the ul B ciala was very nearly equal en dance of the peewee attending as members of the con- gregstion. The average on these two days last wek MSS as follows : in the morhiog tere were 21 e effieials present. with a congregstion of '25, h and in the afternoon 22 officials to a congregation of 53. But Canter for bur Cathedral in this respeet was& very favourable instance, for very few of the other cathedrals in the country had these weekly services so well attended as was the case at Canter bery. Ile hail endeavoured to get returns of the average attendance ot the weekly services in other cathedrals, and be heillibiained them in some nine or ten. And in all iea anon it must be admitted that, so fur from giving the public the epportunity ot weekly services, t establishhere wee not much for re t u rn made by these richly endowedments, it was evident that the inhabitants instead of availing thent t selves of these services, actually s hunned the because i could not be doubted tha t the greater part of these congreme tiers consisted of visitors, attracted to the cathedral by the beauty and antiquity of the edifice. So much then for the atteedance upon the weekly services, and now he had to in quire how far this state of things was compensated for by the attendance upon the services on Sundays. It might very naturally be supposed that if there were any towns or dis tricts in which the rervice on Sunday was more fully and adequately performed then on any other, it would be in them , cities which had numerous resident clergy who were not occupied by parochial duties, and who had no other cle rical occupation to engage their attention. But experience proved that cathedral cities showed directly . the reverse to be the case; and it was a fact that in proportion as th ee chapteiable r was rich, the churches were poor. T. that var rule Canterbury did not form an exception. In the City of Canterbury there were fifteen parish chinches, and he was prepared to prove that the clergy m an of cry one of the-c was secured any yrovision b law. This was the parish of St. Martin's, in which 3001. per annum was seeared to the incumbent out of the tit -e on mop, but all the rest might he said toe e eupp r eel by and to to exist upon. th e voluntary system. In all these 15 p irishca there were only four resident clergymen, and the income of the whole of the city clergy was only 1,1001. per annum, being less than the revenue received by one single member of the chapter. (Cheers.) euch, then, being the provision for the clergy, let the house now look to the provision made for the corgregatiens. He Lad procured a return of all the services performed in the church , * of the city of Canterbury, as well as of those performed in the dissenting chapels there on last Sunday. The number of persons attending the church ser vices in the churches, including the cathedral, wee, in the morning, 2,060; in the afternoon, 2,210; and in the evening, 1,400 ; making a total of 5.760. In the dissenting chapels, on the same day, the atttendances were as follows: In the morning, 1,825; in the afternoon, 402; and in the evening, 2,f70 ; so that the attendance on the church services bsd been n,700, while that in the &viewing chapels a mounted CO the lum ber of 4,915. In Canter b ury there was church accommodation for as, 8,000, while the accommorlation in the dia. einem chapels was about 3,700. The largest at tendance in the churches was 2,240, and in the dissenting chapel' 2 670. I Hear, hear.) But there was another point which it was not unimportant to bear in mind in considering the question. It bed been observed by Dr. Chalmers— ". Educate the child if you wish to christianise the man." He (Mr. II rsman) found that in Canterbury the attendance of Sunday scholars at the church service was 617, while the attendance of Sunday scholars at the dissenting chapels was 820, so that while the gross attendance on public worship was only one seventh in favour of the church, the attendance of Seethe , achnlars was one fourth in favour of dissent. (Hear, hear.) Strange OA this might appear, it was quite intelligible when the melancholy evidence of the cause was ezamined into a little further. It would be thought that in a city like Canterbury the services in the churches would be well and fully ;reformed. Ile found, however, that out of fete fifteen churches there was morning service on Sundays only in ten; in the afternoon there was service only in seven ; and in the evening there wee tervice only in five, more than half of them being . shut in the afternoon, and two-thirds were shot in the evening. On the other Wind, in the 9 dissenting chapels there were 22 services every Sunday. (Hear, helve) Was there not is this fact some proof of the lethargy of the established church, and of the spur it gave to the activity of dissent ? There were unpleasant facts fur him to acknowledge, and some might think it dangerous to promulgate them, as use might he made of them by the enemies of the establishment. He, however, thought the concealment of the truth wan BIOTA pregnant with danger, and he felt it his duty to detail the truth, (lies:, bear.) If such, then, was the state of things with re spect to the parishes within the City, it could not be expected that the chapter would take much more core of the parishes under their control in the renal districts ; and secordingly ho found that in 10 of these parishes nearest to tho City there was scarcely one i n which twe services were performed on Sunday. In several there were services only on each alternate Sunday, and in most there were no schools but those belonging to the diameters. One of these, the poorest parish, in the gift of the dean and chapter, had been visited from curiosity. It was xhuate in the immediate neighbour hood of Dover, and was held by the incumbent of Trinity Church in that town, who either came himself or sent his curate once a fortnight during the summer months to do duty. The service in those months was irregular—sometimes performed in the morning, sometimes in the afternoon ; but en the winter months there was no service whatever. (Hear, hear.) He had now done with the dean and chap ter of Canterbury, except as to another matter connected with its charities, which he should not do his duty if he did not bring under the notice of the house. In the city of Canterbury there were certain hrepitahe of which the members 'of the chapter were es officio patrons and managers- Two of these homi tale had been endowed by charitable individuals for decayed old men and women, who must he, as the foundation pro vided, natives of Canterbury, evident' there, and poor. One of the poor brethren was to be the prior of the estawhichblish ment, and as such the manager of t he property with the hospital was endowed, and which brought 2001. a-year to its revenues. The hones would presently see here the poor of Canterbury had been defrauded of the benefits in tended for them by the heneeolent founders, by thos e us who in m he (Mr. Herman) would not scruple to name, e this house he ought not to shrink from stating all the circum stances. It appeared that the nominatinn of a poor bro ther rested with one of the chepter,—Archdea eon Croft—who, instead of nominating a poor Man who was a native and resident of Canterbury, had ■ med one of his own parishioners at Saltwoed, a dependent of his own. Another gentleman, said to be one of the most wealthy in Canterbury—a gentleman who held the office of surveyor to the dean and chapter, with a salary of 6001.,ani who was also woodrnr eer and seneschal, and as sorb managed the whole estates of the dean and chapter—had heen a pp o inted by Archdeacon Croft one of the poor brethren. This gentleman's came was Austin, and he not only bad been nominated a poor brother, hut also prior of the hospital. This was not all—tor Mrs. Auxin hod been nomi nated a poor -inter, and made priorees (a I and Miss Austin had been mails snottier poor sister of the hospital. (Lsughter.) let the house remember that the hospital had been Pounded for decayed and poor old men and women, and yet they . found upon it a family of three of the wealthiest people in the city. (Hen, beer.) list this was not all. The prior had the management of the estate of the hospital, and how did Mr. Austin menage it? He (Mr. Reesman) was informhat he let it privately to his own son, who at is real ed or that he let it privately to his own son, wheih'r at is real or nominal rent no one in Canterbury could discever ; hut the whole place telt scandalised by the transaction. (Ili ar, hem. ) One word more in reference to the gent)• men, Archdeacon Croft, who wits the head and source of tha meet flagrant abuse. The archdeacon was the son in-law of a late an hh shop. sae in re9n ct of his emolu• meets be was not a bed sample of the o'd system. His stall in tht e ithedrat was worth 1 0001. p:r annum, his archdea coney 5001. a s rector of Cliffe he received 1,300 1 , and as rector of ' Seltwomi 7811., so that he was receiving alto the pelmet 3 se4f. per annum, and yet he had not Levitated thus to interfere with the due coulee of charity and benevolence. ( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Horiman) had dwelt att some length on the case of Canterbury, as showing the Lew .• stem, and he now would ask the house to go with him to the cathedral of Lincoln, which remained n ider the old system. In le3l. when the comrniminners of inquiry went down to Line..fin, the e 'apt r consisted of a dean, sub-dean, Chancellor, and preeenter ; they were, in fact, four in n ai umber. They die . of 6,9861. a year between t cm, he l• having the produce of lee 'rate estates and other pre ferments. The rourm fleece thr commissione with e meet to Lincoln cathedral we. remarkable. i n all other instances the ermine Meiners, without reference to income, mode a raluction in the number ef the stalls, and the pro feeds of the reduced stela were paid into a general fund for Weolin, however, they the gen ere I purposes o , the church. In made no/eduction, hut they prop. sed.as the "eine wee large, chapter at and the thole er smell, for the sake of uniforn:fteh le create an other stall. But this was overruled, and the Lincoln remain in the u ncnntrolleit receipt and meneatement of their estates. In 1831, however, they were called ppm to make • return of their income, and they made a returth stating it was likely to be diminished in consequence of the &creme in the amount of fines paid on tl.e renewal of leases, and also the declining value of the estates. Now, so far frim any eeereme in value in say respect, he (Mr. Reesman) believed if this inquiry wee granted, it would be found there had been aor 'et incr.'s.. The chapter, however, receive shout I,SOOI. per Annum e..ch fer the stalls, ;ind, as a matter Of coarse, they present themethes to the best livings in their EXPRESS. WEDNESDAY ___-.-------e---"--.-----•--------"--'----:—i . altogether, the income of each h labeureto yid* these poor holey spore egpmed. es at alarm at any hmovatione and gained to ok patronage: of ; so thethatahaptar, under the new arrange- the memertial to which he had already referred, the e mint, was not under 2,0001. per annum. This ellpreiel ti gee i th of education wed religious les being the case, he must ask what were the benenta se ' g abroad a mischievous which Lincoln derived from this establiehment, and what pproastvaeharneaeirnrage, thmoiararleujapnefiratuetacconde:tetettreslitagiteousoefetihsehloilsthyen;enantad, were the duties and services performed ? The commimioners • and t oral Mee and in 1831 put several questions to the member, of the chapter they added, "We fear there is mow; aleterial duties of those who are invidiously called the They first asked the dean, st What are the duties attached to disposition to magnify, at our expense,Ohe Mt . your office of dean?" The answer was veryehort. It was, in hieb a had originated in the distinction The duties tea led to my o ffi ce of dean arc the usual working clergy." OH, r, hear.) This was no invidious duties of • cathedral dean." (A laugh.) From that reply phrase, but one w the house was not much the wiser, The next addressed to the sub dean. " What are the duties attached rich who rece v question was between those poor clergymen who did the work, and the i ed large salaries and emoluments, paying I to your office?" The sub-dean reph , "My So that To show how little bad been done in thew districts, in the led duties are to pittances to those by whom the work was done. (Hear.) act for the dean In his 'beim: (Laughter.) •h tate that, out of 4,6001. • year 5 i the •ed by the eeelesiestical comemsaioners from the berms the inquiry was not advanced much further in that quarter. way boasted of, he mig t • ~ The commissioners then turned to the next member of ream 376 l • th had only augmented 72. There chapter, antioue to get something dutiesit from, out of thin diocese, ooly 4901. had been laid out ; and that hint. They asked "What are your as chancellor ? ' out of poor mines, ey The rm:ponse was, " The usual duties of a cathedral elm- were innumerable easel of destitution which had been very teller. ' (Renewed laughter.) From the fourth member grievotoly neglected, into these it was unneemar to enter, of the chapter they got something more specific in the shape or to ge into the casts of other cathedrale; the tw o Y he bed of a reply. The preceittor, when asked the nature of his adduced were suffilient to establish the position gbh which duties, stated, " Day dudes are to superintend the choir, and he had set out. Ile could show in others the evils arising to preach once a year." (ELM, hear.) Now, the superin. from the system of letting church property, whereby tendence of the choir by him was purely nominal-the choir everything like improvement was put an end to. (Hear.) was left to the management of the singmaster, and he He could show cam of chapter librarim, containing are and believed that the precentor knew as little of music as of magnificent books, vrhich anywhere else it would be rivi navigation, and no more interfered with the duties of the legs to look into, but of which to last meteloguo had been pinging-master than he would with the pr eac h ing ` the made in the last century. There were inetancili of persons chapter dinner. (Hear, hear.) His duty o once wanting to visit these stori hung , sof know.edge, when none a year was intelligible and epecific, though it might he found of the chapter knew who had the key, and where the lock somewhat an arduous duty. (" Hear, and a laugh.) In was so rusty that the key would nut turn and the door could fact, the whole duty of the dean was to reside eigh months not be opened; and in one ease, the thirty who had charge of in the year in a house provided for him; the the library key had complained of the great annoyance canons to reside three months each in every year, caused by a cis yeoman coitetantly coming ill consult hooka. and to preach occasionally on Sundays, while in (Hear.) These memorialists claimed to lie the promoters ut residence, hut to take no part in the daily service of the education ; but he could show that they abused their trust cathedral. lie (Mr. Horsmau) having shown the extent of as trustees of grammar schools, as mac h as they did in the the establishment on Lincoln Cathedral, and the provision chapter ; he could show lends tied estates made away with ; made for the chapter, he would now inquire what provision he could show -by letters to clergymen front ti m e hapter had been made by them for the congregations ; that woo to therneelves, who had become c ,rela as by long nity say, what was the care which had been taken of the public, proposals as to managing the affairs of thiii churches which forwhose spiritual instruction and advantage the establish were perfectly scandalous- But in all these abuses nothing meat had been so richly endowed. Previous to 1840 there appeared to him so flagrant as the regulation which had been were in the patronage of the dean and chapter of Lincoln imposed by act of parliament directing that all the pa eonage 96 parishes; but that number hail rice been cut down to voted in these chapters should be given to themselves, and 27. Of these, 8 produced about 2.501. ; 6, from 1601. to 2001.: precluding them from bestowing any portion of their pre and 13 were under 160/. per annum. Of course the richest ferments on deserving el, rgymen in their neighhourhood. of these were disposed of by the chapter among them- If there was ono thole more than 'nether which should selves. Of the 27, only It had resident clergy- have been encouraged by the li gielature it was the men, and in 9 others the clergymen had other ss eking out of deserving clergymen for the be. duties to perform. Ile had received a letter from stowal of preferments ; but instead of that, patho s clergymen in Lincolnshire, stating that the churches ment compelled the chapters to divide these preferments I the patronage of the dean and chapter were almost amongst themselves, and forbade their being bestowed on without exception in a forlorn and:wretched condition ; othirs. hey were to be given in the tirstinstance to the the ch, eche* were felling and the people degraded mo- member s of the chapter, then to the mitten: canons, thin rally and intellectually; and that an alteration in the manag e- they might be gto iven the mastt rof the grammar-echool ; meet and expenditure of the cathedral property was loudly and if within six months they were not givento any of the called tor. Similar letters from other clergymen had t hree the patronage lapsed to the bishop. Ile 'had heard a reached him, and, from one end of the country to the other, reas in assigned for this regulation whic e would not now there was scarcely a clergyman who did not deplere the pre. sta.e ; but if it were true, nothing c ,uld p r o p ounce as , rouge r sent system. But what was the stet,• of the churches in the sentence of condemnation on the characters and proceedings city of Lincoln itself , Formerly there were 62 churches, of these parties. The hon. and learned gentleman then re• now reduced to 13, the patronage of which was divided ferred to two petitions which he had pr., sented from Woking among the members of the chapter. These could scarcely ham and Carlisle (which have been pi hired with the van, ith be called churches, for they were miserable, decayed, dilapi- and Ts id part ot their contents. Ile bed now 'dated all he dated buildings, such as could not be found in any die thought necessary to bring before the h.iuse. The two chup trict not under the control of a cathedral chapter. ten he had ri fened to were a far sample of the rest. Ile Here, as in Canti rbury, the churches were so served would now ask the house whether it was piesilile or right to and the incumbents ill paid. Those 13 churches in Lin- allow these things to continue ? There were many exemplary coin were held by 10 incumbents, of whom six have other individuils amongst the members of these chapters; he did clerical duties indepndent of those of their parishes. as The wit blame them, tut the th sj and the law ; and he wished highest stipend wee 1 e here 501 , and t was one as low 681. to enforce a change in e lair stem by appealing to the good sense per ensure : but the income of the clergy of the whole of and renecientious fielings of the legialature If these things them was 1,414/, a year, or less than the income of one mern- were allowed tocominue,very then period the evil must per of the chapter. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the get ahead of us. There Was not one of the c ithedral cities provision made for the congregations, he had • return of all in England in which the dot.mters did not show a greater 1 the attendances the established churches and all the des- proportion to the establishment an in most an other 1 ' eating chap e ls in at the city of Lincoln on last Sunday. Ile part of the country. (Hear, th hear ) al Thankin y g the I found that ol the 13 churches uMe only wre opened tor house for now move, " That an humble address he ew ra t ed evening service, and in all of them only 19 serVieee were to her Majeste, i retying that she will he grecily plemed performed. There were present at the morning services, to directs n inquiry to be made into the • ate of our cathee 1,013 ;at the atttenoen, o; 7 and at the evening, 1,075-- drals and collegiate church," with • view of amertng makilig a total of 2,263, out of • population ef 13,000. whether they may not he rendered more conducive to the' inhabitants. On the same day . the attendances at the dissent- services of the church and the spiritual instruction of the log chapele were es follows : in the morning, 2,565 ; and in people." the evening, 3,102; making a total of 6,667 in ten dissenting L , rd It. GROSVENOR said he tete to second the chapels, which had twenty one services. The greatestmotion, in the absence of his noble friend the member for bee attending the churcheswas 1,075; whilst the greatest num- Bath. He was moat dearly 'niched to the established her attending the chapels was 3,100, bring three to one. He church ; but feeling it the heat mean. of ilieternineting the therefore asked again could these things be heard without doctrines ofhe religion he professed, and believing that, feelings of sorrow and shame, and would it he wise or just to ticepite arm s deformities, the great majority of the people peewit such a state of thugs to continue to exist ? I Hear, were sincerely attached the abuses to it, he woe n 1 0 44 anxious that it hear.) He had no return of the attendance at the cache- should be freed from deal ; but he would give the house a description of I Sir It. INGLIS feare I that the hon. and learned member the attendants at the cathedral service of Lincoln, written I (Mr. Horsman) had overrated the intelligence of the majo• by nu less an authority than the dean himself, and Min seed : rity of the house, in assuming that they wese adpiainted to the vergers, stall.keepers, and other officers of the cathe- ' with the origin and nature of our cathedral establishments. and, in there words: Fur himself, he must confess to a very imperfrot knowledge Wbetese complaints hare been made to me from several quieten, on this matter. hut this question was not of so much inf. and I have likewise myself observed that pillions ere placed in the portence as the inquiry what were the objects and duties of stalls, or meet distinguished place' of the cathestral who do nut come our cathedral establishments at the present day. in alluding within the mire of our church diacipline, whirls supreme every one to the metropolitical cathedral of C,nterbury, the hon. and to be seated according to his rank, quality and stetson-thew, hear. . _, , siid umaner, _.,......... the .b.... 1, test, a .. , ju i diiimu d u t learnt,' gent leman had gine a 'determent of the attendance the rubric-, 10.101perwan, often remaining in a sitting Vass ttue during there of pcmons officially connected with the cathedral ; and the whole of the tervice,neither standing nor kneeling etch° appointed this was stated to be 23, rather • censideratile proportion. ;00,1de-often, no doubt, from ignorance: Yoondly. • mum of As to the general attendance, it should always be borne talking, lauglimir, and joung during the wow, to the annoyance of in mind that cethedrals were cot parish churches: they their sievouter neighbours, with ouch ettitude., gestures, and pos. wer notilestain • ed aces of . worship for vas large a number . , tires as would be unbecoming even in prirate houses; and whereof., -- e . - as on rem:metres:ice with game of these persona, they bare declared their es their area gnu s contain, but ather to exhilitt alltkllt,ol2 tO rewiAt all attempts to reduce then to better order, I • model of the purity and excellence of our hereby require and order Met, to nerd , * your beat judgment system of worship, to which the whole of Europe and discretion, aided by w tamirledge of the persona you may furnished no equal, removed alike from superstition preente, to admit no person whatever to the stalls who dont not bear, on the one hand, and from levity or indecorum en thaother. or epeeist to you to bear, the character of s gentleman. (laughter.) But he had seen statemeute which gave the number of at- The document went on to recommend that all persons tendaoccs mush higher than had been stated ; at d they should be removed from the stalls who per- would of course vary materially at diff her,erent periods the siated in theirforcibly 11l behaviour after being remonstrated with. year. For imitator, on the 19th of Oc her, 62; on the of 28 h, Under the circumstances it wino doubt very proper on the 150 ; on the 2nd Nov., 152. Without (fledging himself to part of the dean to ism such a document; but who: a pica the accuracy of this return, he thought it as much to be r, - ture did it present of the services of our cathedrals. (Hear.) tied on as the other, to which implicit reed. rice ought not to He hal also returns of the Sunday attendance at the cube be attached. But a more serious cense' ration than the deals, hut did not think it necessary to gn into them, or to number of attendances at cathedrals WA, this Ile c. uld not detain the house meth longer. But k would he a great mis- 1 hut fear, notwithstanding the disclaimer of the hon. and take to suppose that the influence of the chapter was can- learned gentleman, that the tendency of his motion must he tined to the cathedral city; from their property in the neigh- to cast an imputation on the cathedral eystem generally, bourhood, the parishes tinier their patronage and the pre- n. which he alleged tend indeded to the of' a .1 decay i and the extinction ho of ferments to which they appointed, it was obvious the chap- religio This rem him r minister w ters must exercise v ry great influence, in every sense of the dreier d that the church destroyed more owls than it sued. word, in the districts arund. He had • return of 75 ( liner this could he said of a church e ended on the bu r red oe parishes within ten or twelve miles of Lincoln, 41- trines of the reformer", and cemented by thed of most every one of which had heen personally visited, martyr., and boasting of prelates the most pious and em end regarding which he was furnished with the most minute lightened, he could not conceive. Against such sentiments details. He would give the bowie a mere summary of the he must protest, as wholly unjust. A :Meer point dwelt on result of thin inquiry. In the whole 75 parishes, there were by the hon. and learned gentleman was, the income of the only 30 resident incumbents and 12 resident curate.; and members of chapters. At Canterbury, he said, the livings only 34 clergymen of any kind were resident in their boon- of the dean and canons amounted to 8,0001 , and dories. In eight cases the resident clergymen lived at Lin- the livings in their gift to 9,2001. in all, 17,000/. But coin, either in consequence of connexion with the cathedral h e h o d t o il e d to s h ow thae th is sue . sera , wholly or some other cause. In 22 cases the minister who officiated to the members of the chapter ; and the public conviction l their privations, their sufferings ; he could show cases that the people as of takieg the income , ' of Vie hierorchy of the - it would not be too much to say that the clergy had actually tained that in this respect there was no ditf, renee between died fronCeitervation ; he could show from the letters of th at ti of the highest character resident in those district% church property and property of any other ki,d. If the in come of the Bishop of London was to be on the Subtitle lived in some more or lees distant parish. wet that such was not the case. But if the law were not Of the 75 livings , 44 were held in plurality, 45 were held by ,;01„teo, was it titthig that the state of the church of Eng non.resident ministers, 42 were without any partonage- land year ? eoul be jeeteil to these ps. , till discussions year house, and 60 had only one service in the day. (Hear, hear.) after y Within the last 14 or 1.5 years the question of Let it not be said that these cases of plurality and non- the income of the cathedral clergy had hr rn taken up and residence were provided for by act of pediment; for be fully examined, and a legislative measure hail been reseed had ails to show that many of them were in violation of relative thereto. It was said there were numerous decay I the act act; that in some cases, appointments in plurality had whose income was considerably less than that of the colons ; taken place since the pasting of the cat; that in °the re, but ,/, 3 r not make the sanie objections figainA the gradation licenses for non-residence had been granted ; and that in of rank end income in all ,ivil end laical professions arising other cases, the diocesan might have compelled the building f rom th e reee weey inequality of condition ? Such gradation of parsonage - houses and residence • hut had not done fie. he believed to be on the whole beneficial, though h e was far So much had this evil struck the Bishop of Lincoln himself, from wishing that the incomes of the poorer clergy should that some time ago he had published a very admirable lie so low. He would not pull down the high, hut eh rate Charge on that selejtct. He would now direct attention to the low. lie should as soon think of taking the i n comes of the state of the clergy. 14 e could show their poverty, t h e aristocracy of England and distributing them amongst had occurred since he began to iostitu ' e this inquiry, where church to augment those of the poorer elenty. lie mein that there could not be a more harrowing tale than the suf. taken sway, they would have just as good a ferings of those clergy. Instead of that, he preferred right to seize that of the corporation of London. placing the matter in another point of view : he would The hon. and learned gentleman said that with the creep shew the labours they undertook, the exertions they t o m o r so moron... which was the mother church of Keg made - the manner in which one portion of the land, the incomes of the incumbents of the other 15 livings clergy neglected their duty, while another perfirmed more in the neighbourhood of the cathedral of Canterbury were than their share. One of the latter class stated as follows : very small. He (Sir R. Inglis) regretted that; hut what had "The rector of a rich living in my neighbourhood (it sees 16 it to do withthe dean and cloister of Canterbury? They were miles off) had taken his family to the watenide. He sent nut bound to raise the incomes of the churches in their neigh his groom to me to know if I sa id take his duty at half past huuri.cuid any more than those at a greater dietance. Ihe 10 next Sunday morning. I said no ; I was engaged at that hon. and learned K entleinan brought it as an accusatioo hour, but teat I would take it at 12. There being no one against the dean and chapter that a population of only 5,700 else at hand 12 o'clock was fixed accordingly, and the die- attended the 16 churches to the neighhourhood of Canter tent parishioners of this rich, rector, who came to church at bury, while 4.900 persons attended dissenting chapels. He the !anal hour., found to their surprise that they would heve wished that all persons were members of the church of Eng to w: an hour and threeluarters before the service land; but the fact that there were 4,800 persons atteuding commenced. At half. past seven in the morning the ()Oren , ing chapels in Canterbury did not justify an attack clergyman who had hnen applied to left home on his pony open the dean and chapter. The hon. and learned ge ntle to do duty at his own church, which was 16 miles away. man elan said that the number of oflieeil persons who at- The service began at 10 ; he g 4, thriugh it as quickly as tended daily service at Christchurch in Oxford was 15, and poasible, gave a short sermon, and then galloped oft' to the that but 18 not officials attended. Ile touch the hon. and church of the riche ector, where, by dint of hard riding, he learned gentleman must have been very much misinformed arrived just in time to do duty there, at 21) minutes after 12. in that . respect, le , cauee he could say from hie own r xperi- Hers he got through the service again as rapidly as poseible, once that the cathedral of Chrietchurch was most nutner and then galloped away other 16 miles across the country to Doily attended , Every piece was occupied, and the congrega do duty for aher incumbent, who was ill. The service lion was al attentive as in any parish church of England. there gas at three; hre he wentthrough the duty, and then gal- Hear, hear.) lie ceuld alto etate that the cathedral body biped 10 miles hack, arrividg late at his own parish church, t here charged the tithes with 3,oGili. a year, for the purpose wlere a small congregation was waiting, anxious to know of a u g menting the livines of the poorer clergy, and one of whether a parson was coming to give them a service the colleges sacrificed '2OOl. a year for the purpope of in. or nut. It was easy to suppose the state of creasing one of the small vicaregcs. The hon. and learned fsv.igue in which this clergyman must have returned home gentleman, however, directed his attack chi , fly against the lute at night. (Hear, hear.) This he did on eight successive cathedral of Lincoln, and said that in the year 1`4.31 an in- Sundays in the dog-daes (Hear , hear.) But he stated come of 6,9801. was divided among st four ind ividuals--the that he had even done harder work than that. He said : dean, the sub-dean, chancellor, and pr center, He could " One day when Mr. M., who is very fond of shooting, had not say why the hon. and learned gentleman ghoul/ select gone to the moors, in the month of August, and his neigh- the income of It'll rather then the income of 1848; bat in hour. Mr. C., had gee to the lakes, 11l consequence of the the first place he would remar that no pereon had right death of his brother, one of theme gentlemen sent to me to to make an inquiry respect k ing the ineoree of an a other ask me te take his duty. I replied that it was impossible, whether lay or clerical, unless he asked for an Mortara. Ho • Mester, sir (said his croom, who brought the messa ge ), will might say, however, with out breach of privilege, that the lie very sorry to hear that, for be in call confused. I said, income of one of these individual+ will 1.6001. ; and he i Well, than, tell him if he will send me one of his hunters to would ask the house whether that was too large meet me at Lincoln , I will try to take the service for him at a sum for a person fillin g one of the higher sta sis in the evening :" It was agreed upon that the bone in the church I But he received 1,6001 . f or t he fleet year only. The wend year he received but 1,1001., and matter should he so arranged. On the Sunday the clergyman this, the third veer, his income was 8001. only, out of which started on his pony and rode to his first parish, 15 miles off, he had to pay 'hOl. for the building of a house. The hon. where the service was at halepaet ten. He had two parishes and learned eentleman then went ono Carlisle Cathedral, of his own; the second was two one. miles from the first ; but he in respect to which the hon. and learned gentleman's col managed to take the serviceparish of Mr. C., for whom he had also to do duty, was not far off, and tee o (Mr. Aelionhy) tonic every opportunity of asking the right hon. gentleman th e Secretar y of State when he would he managed to arrive there in time for the service at half pest three. "Then," he continued, " I rode as hard as 1 introduce his bill for the compulsory en ranchisement of ' could gallop to Lincoln, where I found a splendid mare wait- copyholds. net hon. and learned gentleman held a be- Mg. I shut up tn, own pony in the stable, and galloped neflcial hose under the dean and chapter of Carlisle, which 10 miles to Mr. fora parish, which I reached at six. Thin he wished to convert into a more beneficial freeheld. ft , Hear, I cerlimaed to do three Sundays in the mouth ofAugn't ; hear," from Mr. Aglionhy.) The hon. and learned gentle end to retake mat•ers worse, on one of thaw I was man quoted from a celebrated petitinn, which stated that overtaken owl drenched by an autumnal thunderstorni. ' the Dean and Chapter of Carlisle hail tut tithe of 20,0001. (H ear , heao) That was one case out of many, proving the a year in one county, the fact being th r /avenue G, MAY 17, 1848. that England was in allia' nee with the enemy of that country. The object for which he claimed the attention of the Ileum wee out an abstract but a particular and •a clear objecte It depended on the voice and opinion of that house, expressed on any one of the questions which turn the cur rent of the public policy of this country—it depended on that house, the ally of Russia or of France, to sanction ac s of injustice and public crime, or to make this country the pro tector of the world. It was for that reason that he claimed its protection on that occasion ; and if the house would only give the subject which he brought before them the state care and time which it would bestow on a railway enterprise, or any unimportant question, he declared that a• possible injury could atone to foreign affairs or , from foreign dangers. In his judgment of the case, to which be had given a must thorough investigation, he considered that it such labour was given there was nothing beyond the shores of the Channel that would present to England any as pect either of danger or embarrassment, hut, on the con . trary, would element every opportunity for the Preeeeestion of ettength 5". ? ... St cur . 4. ems country mall Lo •.1 - 40 lia'uit of deciding on the internal affairs of Wier countries as if they were its own. lie asked, wag the Musa aware, when it raised a ministry to conduct the affairs of this country, that it was also a ministry for the government of foreign states ? The government hail broug o ht the country into a most extra ordinary position at the p resent time in E u rope, and he warned them, if they did not restrain their present policy, that the tide would be turned against them, and they would fall a victim to the injurious manner in which its affairs had been conducted. The origin of the anomalous and extraordinary state of things which was at present in existence was the holy alliance. That alliance had been prompted by Russia, who bound Prussia and Austria, who became its slaves ; the accession of France took place not directly, but in an insidi ous matinee end still under the direction of Russia; Holland acceded likewise at her instigation; and Switzer land acceded from the same cause ; consequently, the holy alliance was established in Europe to niansee the affairs of nations at the instigation of Russia. It was well known that England had refused to accede tom at alliance ; but he proceeded to maintain that the governnt had by their foreign policy deviated from the principle which had dictated that refusal, and bad allowed Russia to bold a supremacy which was injurious to the interests of this country and the other countries of Europe. The question was one of the deepest interest, and there was high authority for the supposition—in which he did not concur, but with regard to which, all that he himself required was that it should be concurred in—that the noble lord opposite (Lord Palmerston) bad been no match for the policy of thetealiinet. Napoleon had said, in reference to the position of Russia with regard to Europe, that all depended upon Poland, and that if Alexander succeeded in reconciling Poland to Russia, the Russian government would have gained the greatest s t e p towards subduing India. Poland wait now the great question of Europe, sad he regretted to say that the hut time that country was in a state of revolu tion, namely, in 1830, her i n terests had been saceiliced by England, as was fully shown by the despatches of the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs (which the hon. member read to the house)—that noble lord asowing in 1831 that his fears were not against Ituesia, but against France. He apprehended, judging from the conduct of that noble lied, that the same diplomatic agency which extinguished the life of Poland an 1830, would, now that she was no longer in a position to assert her rights, prevent its revival. Poland was the link between England and France, and if they suffered Poland to be de stroyed they could no longer hope for any intercourse be tween these countries, or even between the East and the West. The bon. member concluded by moving that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying far a copy of the papers relating to the treaty of Unkiar Skeleesi, and ales fur a c , py of the correspondence that bad taken place relative to the proffered mediation of Great Britain b e tween Prussia and Denznerk in respect to Schleswig- Holstein. Mr. II Cel E seconded the motion. Lord I'ALMERSTON said he was quite aware of the power as well as the right which was possessed by every member of that house to make a speech upon any subject without giving notice of his intention ; at the same time, there bad been certain rules framed ler the convenience of tho holm, which, when departed from, were produc tive of much inconvenience. The hon. member Stafford was s omewhat prone to depart from those rules. There was a saying attributed to a cele brated diplomatist, to the effect that speech was given to man to enable him to conceal his thoughts ; so also it would seem that the hon. member placed his notices on the paper in order to conceal the subject of his motion. The hon. memlic es notice on the paper stated that it was his intention to call the attention of the house to the relations of this country with Russia, and instead of confining himself to that topic, he bad sprung upon him (Lord Palmerston) two ad dresses for papers of which he had given no notice whatever. The hon. member had stated the reasons why the house should accede to the addresses in question. The first of those motions related to the treaty of Unkiar ffkelesai, and the second to the offer of mediation of Great Britain in respect to the Schleswig-Holstein question; and the hon. mem ber stated that it was necessary fur those papa rs to he laid be fore parliament, is order that the country might perceive bow Russia was combined with Austria for the purpose of pre. venting Prussian Poland front uniting with the ether por tions of that dominion held by Russia end Austria. He could assure the house that the papers moved for would throw no light whatever upon that subject. The treaty of Unkiar Skelessi had lasted eight years, and was de tenet, having been put an end to by the events consequent upon the Syriac war of 1811. That treaty hail nothing whatever to do with the subje ed ct of Polish nationality. The correspondence which rega rd the affairs of Schleswig-Holstein and the mediation of Great Britain with Prussia and D. nmark, bad no bearing upon the affairs of Poland or of Russia, and he objected to pro duce any such correspondence, as it might be highly preju dicial to make it public at present. (Hear, hear.) The house, he was persuaded, would not desire such correspond ence to be produced. (Hear, hear.) . The hon. member frr Stafford went into a great many topic', but he (Lord Pal merston) should abstain from follow iisg him in the arguments or details he had entered upon. The hon. member had ex patiated against the treaty of the Holy Alliance. He (Lord Palmerston) was the last man in that house who would stand up and offer soy opposition to the disparagement of that treaty by the koaourable member. There was Bethel in the policy pursued by the present go-' vernment which could be in any way assimilated to the treaty of the Holy Alliance,or which either anticipated or would be sue posed to lead t i the consequences aimed at by that treaty. When the hon. member stated that the Se cretary of State for Foreign Affairs exercised a controlling influence over the affairs of foreign European states cribed to the government of which he hail the honunto be a member, a tar rester degree of power than the course of events on the continent would bear out. The government of her Majesty had done their best for the good of their country, as well as of mankind, and with some success in several instances, but with l good fortune in others—fbr they had not accomplished al l that they wished. But he certainly did not understand what the cases were that the hon. member put on the footing of having been dealt with under the policy dictated by the treaty of the Holy Alliance. Perhaps the hon. member alluded to Belgium it so, he must remind him that the King of Holland had himself called the conference, at which the terms of Bettie went between that country and himself were to be based' and that conference had been called during the ministry 4 the Duke of Wellington, the two first protocols having ben signed, not by hermit', but by the Earl of Aberdeen, who was then fond inn secretary. Therefore, the hon. member's el:Fervations on that head altogether passed by the present government, and he WAS ready to accede to all th it bad been said by him respecting the treaty of the Holy Alliance. The hon. member then said that the whole policy of England had been directed towards the promotion of the objects sought to be attained by Russian diplomacy. lie (Lord Palmerston) was aware that the hon. member had a standing i tea upon that subject—(a laugh)—and that it was useless for him to try to alter it. (Hear, bear.) All he should pay upon the subject therefore was that her Majesty's , ministers tried by every mesas in their power to benefit the country to which they hod the honour to belong and which they served, tied that they recognised neither national enemies nor national friends in foreign power?, but if they found a foreign nation pursue a policy which accorded with their own they re gard,el it as friendly ; and if not, they regarded it ot herwise than as friendly. The hon. member had quoted a sentence from a book written by M. Louis Blanc, wherein that person attributed homer intieitions to h im ( Lord Palmerston) because be lied said thatin 1831 France was the great object of jealousy to England, How M. Louis Blanc could arrive at a know ledge of what he had thought, he knew not, but as far as the statement in question was concerned, he must observe that no English minister could have made any such assertion, seeing that England and France wire joined together in effecting a great European object at the particular time when such a statement was attributed to him, and, consequently, when there existed the least pas- sible ground for anyjealousy on the pert of England. The hon. member stated that it was this jealousy which had prevented the Polish nationally from being restored. He admitted ' that Russia had rights under the treaty of Vienna, and he (Lord Palmerston) must remind the hon. member that the government with which he had acted never admitted Russia to possess other rights than those already ceded to her by the treaty of Vimnie and certainly had never dreamed of going beyond the strict limits of that treaty. He did not know whether it was necessary for him to answer the other portions of the speech made by the honourable absent member. It was on principle that he had objected to the course pursued by him. He ob ji eted to the first address, beciuse the papers called for would throw no ht uth subect, and he should reest the second ad dr ess b eca use e ha objected to the produc t tion of any correspondence, on the ground that each a course would very seriously mar the negotiations that weee going on between this country' and Prussia, and Denmark. Mr. lIUME said that he we: anxious to explain his reasons for having seconded the motion of the hon. member. On a former evening an hen. baronet had counted out the house in a very ungracious manner the hon. member having a motion immediately pending. When he (Mr. Hume) bad met the hon. member that day he told hint that he should be happy to give him the opportunity of which lie had been deprived, of bringing forward his motion, and on the ground that the house ought not to deny a hearing to any hon. mem ber, he had offered to second the motion. With regard to the motion itself, whilst he concurred generally with to e hon. ' member in thinking that improper interference in foreign nations had too often taken place, be did not think he had made out a case for the production of the papers and corm. spore:knee moved for. Mr. K. TYNTE expressed his surprise at the conduct of the hen. member for Montrose in seconding a motion which he subsequently determined not to vote for. He hoped the house would not assent to the production of the papers asked for by the hon. member. Lord D. STUART agreed with the noble lord as to the propriety of adhering to the rules' laid down for not dis- N .. .....—.;—...---• from the three counties of Northensbeeland, Cumberland, and Westmorelied, was 17,0001., of which they received only :necieb:mtumett,w,hthahenieepedhrot;eayrrrdooelha"wiwideerstabbe,"...rimeintglaeinTiodiegydathwr:eeiica:dkihff.neterhreeekrnoacceoCut.:Thl m e i n r e t. petitioners, hewever, told their own story, and they left it to be inferred that the dean and chapter received all the money, They stated that the dean and chapter received 2,0001. tree why tbe dean ca d obapter should be called on in their sheraater of lay impropriators to supply the spiritual dog'. Wien of them' places out of an income of 3501., whilst others were receiving the difference. 'she amount received by each canon of the cathedral of Carlisle was 5301., which could not be considered too much for thole who occupied a pre.eminent position in the church. He hoped he never would to far forget the principles en which he always acted as to be unmindful of the spiritual destitution of the country. lie felt now as strongly as ever the national as well as per gola! duly of t, as the instruction of those who were i gnorant ; but, as he stated on .1 f ormer subsequent inquiry convinced him, that could not be done by iedividuals. It could not be done by the plan of the right hon. baronet. What could be done by that plan had been done, but the spiritual destitution of the people was not diminished. He agreed in the expression of the noble lord that civil and social prudence, as well as religious duty, called upon them to provide for the Metric. thin of those who were spiritually destitute. There was no better guarantee for the permanence of their institutions, and the rights of property, than that the people should be religious and educated. How were these to be imparted to them? All their exertions, and all the exertions of the dis senter had( failed to overtake the amount of destitution which p r evailed, They should not look to an altered distri bution of the church revenues, which had already been car ried as far as it could be carried, or to any other extrinsic means, but to national aid ; and the nation would fail in its duly if, while it provided at the public expense for all the other interssts of the country, it neglected and disregarded that which he bell. yed to be the most vital and essential of all. (Hear, hear.) Mr. AGLION BY said that the bon. baronet had made • most uncalled for and unreasonable allusion to him person ally, arid he could not conceive what had caused him to do so; fur, although he cord i ally supported the proposition of his honourable colleague, which he hoped would excite that attentien in the house which be knew it excited throughout the country, he never said anything to justify the hon. baronet in alluding to him as he had done. It was true that he had asked the right hon. baronet the Secretary of State when he would bring in hie hill for making com pulsory the enfranchisement of copyholds, and he would continue twin so again and again till that odious custom was eholished. It was true that he was a leaseholder under the dean and chapter, but that had nothing to do with the ques tion before the hostas. Col. :dl lITHORP defended the clergy of Lincoln. Mr. Vs. F. GLADSTONE quite agreed with the hon. mover, that hie motion bed in no way been based upon pentane' assault or individual attack. The question had been based, and properly based, on the opastion and adult ni-tration of the law, and taking this view of it, he routed not but hops that, when the pressure of public business permitted, the attention of her Majesty's govern ment would be directed to this sub;ect. Ile did not desire to pare or cut down the revenues of these cathedral., and if he said one word in their disparagement it was only because he M.N. ved they might he made far more conducive to the general purpose. of the church. lard J. RUSSELL agreed with the right hon. gentleman who had just sat down, that it might be very desirable to take tome further measures with respect to the cathedral toilestaishments. But he wan unwilling, by silence, to permit it he mourned that he entirely agreed with the way in which this case halt been put by the hon. mover. That hon. gentlema , seemed to think that these establishmenta were useless, end even prejurbeial; his own slew, he must admit, wee that cathedra. might be mode very valuable to the pur poses of religion and of the church. He must further say that he did not think the hon. gentleman had taken a very correct view of several of the points connected with the sub. ject. For example, he was under • mistake in cup . pining that enthednal dignitaries were prohibited from Riving their livings, except to any of ir oen body. New, it was entirely in their power to give their livings to any clergyman in the diocese, who hail wail as ineunihent or curate therein for a period of five years. Again, with respect hi the conga uation of the art, the hon. and learned member had certainly net attri buted sufficient importance to what had been done under the authority of the ecclesiastical commission. That Commission had power. under words which he (Lord J. Russell) had in. trieluced, with .he scent of the late Archbiehop of Canter bury, and the late EAT! of liarrowhy, to apply the funds of cathedral stalls end prebends, to the cases of parishes having large populations, and to those parishes out of which !neat tithes meht arise. The hon. member's argument, therefore, certainly was not borne out that the first object *tumid he to raise the incomes of livings merely geographi. rally approxtrasting to ca thedrals, nor did he (Lord J. Helton i think it would he cl. sirable that such augmentations should he the first to be made. Differing from the hon. and leaned gentlemen, however, as to these points, he was glad to pay his trihuta to his induery and perseverance ii. dealing with the question generally. toil he was quite prepared to say that in the general spirit of hie motion he entirely concurred. Ile did not precisely see how t he plan proposed by the right hon. gentleman who had just sat down, of appropriating stalls to the purpoec-s of theological learning, amid he carried out, because questions would undoubtedly arise as to how the most learned men could be selected • but in any propo sition to appropriate the proceeds of stalls to the ad vancement of parochial objects he entirely concurred. If the house at ell agreed in that view, he had only to add that though th. re might be inconve nience in agreeing to the motion in its present form, yet he thought the whole subject re l uired attention ; that the government would continue as they hod done, to give it that attention; and that he thought that the latter words of the motion, that " Measures to aacertain whether the cathedrals might not lie rendered more conducive to the services of the church and the epritual instru , ton of the people," ought to be adopted. Mr. ILUME expressed his gratification at hearing the concluding words if the noble lord's declaration. Ile ad verted to the argument of the hon. member for the Univer sity, that church property stood on the same footing as private property, and dewed that such was the case. d (Hear, hear.) They must recellect that this property was erived from the public. Mr. °MILBURN said the hon. gentleman who had just eat down seemed entirely to have forgoVen that, during the last 20 years. material alterations had been made in the ca thedral establishments of the country ; and he begged himto show how and when the property of the church was given to it by parliament and by the public? (Hear, hear.) With rigord to the motion before them, he though:, at er the speech of the noble lord, very little remained fir them to discuss. Ile had never been a supporter of abuses, and if the abuses stated to night, or Hatart of them, were found to exist he should be one of th to assent to in t ir . y .f. HEYWOOD was not quite aware of what was the Use of deans and chapters in this cuuntry. It appeared to him that in A ime respects they were drawbacks upon the efficieuey of the church. Sir E. N. BUXTON was most unwilling to let any op portunity piss without tbauking the hon. member for Cock ermout h for bringing this question forwazd. It did seem to him that with a teeming population in our large towns it was our du'y to apply the funds of the church to supply the neaenitiesof a spiritually destitute people. Church property was only held by the c urch in trust for the benefit of the people, and it ought ta be applied for the relief of their spi ritual necessities wherever they existed. Ile had head with regret that any portion of that property was received by persons who did little or nothing Inc their money. Mr. HENLEY sail thatthc hon member whohsd just sat down went rather far in his doctrine of trusteeship, for he not only thought that the state had a right to see the trust performed, hat also to declare what that trust was. This was but one st. p from saying that they could do as they liked with church property. He objected altogether to this new fanged notion, 'ls it church property was trust property. Atid could not say that the case which the hon. mover had brought before the house had convinced him of the justice of the motion with which he had concluded. Going over such large &Ideas that gentlemen had done it was not difficult for him to dress up a ease in the manner he had, especially when he got his Lets to suit hie case, instead of getting his case to suit his facto. The hon. member had certainly failed to console. him that nay ga o l could result from the matte. Mr. IIORSMAN, in explanation, stated that the hon. member had misapprehended souse points of what he had said. Ile had stated that those establishments which w ere ere endowed for great purposes. es now administered, did render the services for seliich they were originally intended; and he conceived that such as offiterratioa was c. manly not equivalent to expressing an opinion that those establishments were useless. Not one syllable had fallen from him about cutting down their revenues, or reflecting on them as use ful institutions. What lie had said was, that the more valu able thote inaitution. &feta be made, the greater p rin t -th shame if Mel were suffered to be abused. Ills ciple was that attain duties should always be assigned to such offices The hon. member for the University of Ox ford hod questioeed the aorta etneas of his eeturne, and the authority on which he had made his statemehts; hat lie pea ce del to inientain that the returns were in every case aoeu rate, and with ,egad to the other point, that he made no statement unless he Was prepsred to give up the authorities u pee which dia l were founded. Ile understood trim the noble lord that ',dhow going to the length of issuing a cora miasi.tn its inquiry he admitted the necessity of such an in quiry, and was ready to go into it. Unit. r those circum etimees he (Mr. Horan...) did not feel it necessary to proceed with his motion, and would accordingly withdraw it. FOREIGN POLICY. Mr. URQUHART rose to call th n e ct a si t , t e e .hr n i t a Lon nirec of the house to the relations of this country with Russia, in r p e r f e e i r i e m n i ce nary to cently . taken placethe e; eve n ts i ts .. :f h t e he .. r i r t t h h:f a h r l e u u ro m p: m . place in the wen of Europe which CIU46 i sense of insecu rity to he connected with the conduct of the foreign affairs of ars &lianas ; mid so late as the previous day in Paris • ma infestation of public leeliug had taken place with regard to Poland which he conceived must point out the reel seurcts of Europe's danger. The proposition which he was about to make was avoldil. It was whether the government had neglected that portion of the country's interest which was alone within the ephere of government to conduct, and if. in eonsequence of that tieglect, another power had this profited to an extent which promised to be dangerous to country. He would preter to place his resolution in a different form, and he would accordingly make it an address it papers, which h e euppo.ed there would he no dif ficulty in granting. The hon. members who had for merly advocated the cause of Poland had all disappeared, and while he (Mr Urquhart) felt humiliated at being left nearly alone at :he task, he thought he must be encouvged by the house in the course which he was taking when the condition of Poland was considered, and when it was else considered %, cussing any topic in that houso without ei.ing notlee. At the same time, as the known and ateWeg intention of the hon. member for :Stafford was m call the attention of the t.outie generally to the state of the foreign relations of England, he was surprised to heat the noble lord object to the speech of the h..a. item point of o-der. It was highly advisa , ,le that some Ma, member should wasionally cell the etc. n'ion of the hom e to the state of the foreign r• lat ions of Great Bri.ain, and m e one had more frequently or etficitntly dime 61.1 than 'atonable lord when not seated on the treasury bench. The policy pursued by Russia had a most a t bearing on Eng. tend ; and at the present mow nt mere- so than ever, n um & daring the critical position of Europe, ye wr by m ens of Poland that Russia was ctnsflj eennee.t.d Europe, and that was the reason why the was so soigne to maintain her ascending in Pohsucl. Ile could not avoid eking this opportunity of urging upon the attention ee the governmeut and the hou •t: Inc pets. • fortunate and oppressed inb who not only were tyrannised. utter for their arbor aidt deter,,,L ee d lion to the cause of liberty, hut bee. been most basely red shamefully calumniated throughout Europe by toe false hoods at nt forth by the German re-s, and adopted by the prow of this country. Mr. BLAU IiSTO.NE said that haviog travelled Poland, he was bound to rope. so his spi lion that :tit of the nationality of the Poles was ill 41111 S extraordioary chimera that ever entered any mati's lows. So pow wen e u , people that the majority of the town• were in possession of the Jews. Dr. BO WRING said that other hon. membets had been in Poland as well as the hon. nu in , .er who hot lot spoken; and there was some unanimity in t he beli - f Oat a grea t wrong tad been done to that eountry, .n I in the hope eme that wrong would one day be redrew.. d, by the re establish. ment of Poland's nationality, Mr. I..lltqU HART said his motion, having bees one mom with a Tien to obtain information then for any other pm• pose, he would not press it. The motion was then withdrawn Mr. BROTH EItTON immediately rose, and moved thes the house do now adjeurn. (Hear. he r Mr. H. BERKELEY said he ri..t haw.. attempted to bring on his motion relating to the irti lOC at 10 late sa hour, but he wished to ask the Wei lowilher for Montrose whether he would allow the ballot to b. proposed sic el!► rate motion on Tuesday nowt ? Mg. HUME di alined to accede toe: y ,neh arrmsgesaiat. Mr. /SANK ES postponed his eno.i .11 tor the repeal cid* Railway Commission Aet till to-in re oir (this da3). ADMINISTRATION Or ettl%ll NAL JUSTICE. Mr. BAINES obtained leave to Moog in a bill forth. further removal of defects in the administration of criminal indicts. WINDSOR CASTLE. Lord MORPETH obtain. d lesve to bring in a hill to empower the Commissioner. of Woods end Forests to make alterations and improvements in eLe approaches to the earth and town of Windsor. LUNATIC ASYLUMS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The LORI) ADVOCATE moved th,t the select commit tee on this bill do consist of the tollowiog 21 members:— 'l - he Lord Advocate, Lord Ash' , y, Sir J Grams, ea Secretary at War. Mr. Traill, Mr. Ch.rteris, Mr. Soignee- Oen( rel for Scotland, Colonel Mu. e Mr James Loth, 8g George Cleric, Viscount Melgund, Mr. F, lward Et ice, Mr. Stuart Worley, Mr. Oibson Craig, V......0nne Drumlamig, Mr. Bouvrrie, Mr. Home Drummowt, r. Cnarles lion 4 Mr. Fergus, Mr. Smollett, and Mr. For.l)ce. Mr. FORBES objected to the comptnition of the tow mince. Attrr • few words from the LORD ADVOCATE, Mr. En- FON, Mr. MUME, and Mr. AGI.IoNISY, +he raniun lam Id& drawn, and the appointment of the e mmittee was postprool until Friday. La MON. MENINEH here moved the the house be could, and there not being 40 members pre tot, the homei adjourned till this day. Vie epreofi• MAILS. The malls for British North America, and the trdted will be made up en the evening of the i li May. The overland mails toe Gibraltar, Malta Greece, the Isnthabbeit. Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Uong-liong, anti t he via Sontlemp ton, will he made up on the morniog ol the Ibtrt Ma). The overland clued made, rid Marseith-, to the Moi:terreneen, Fgypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, llong-Kong, ac., will he m. tie up ea the evening of the 24th May. The malls for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, NI:oleos% Cadiz, and 011iralta will be made up on the morning of the 2/ eh May. The snails for New South Vialem Val“ lonian's Land, and Nth Zealand will be made up ou the evening of toe 3 is: 31.3. The mails for the West Coast of Africa and Machin. will be made up on the evening of the 3101 May. The West India Mails, Including Bern.tla, Nassau, Na Honduras, New Orleanzi, Vera Came, Vampiio, and Pomo lbw, me excluding those fur Madeira, Jacruel, Caritiotetia, Santa Hartle, Gagne, Panama, West Coast of South iiietica, and St. Juana. Nicaragua, will be made up on the maniac .5 the 2nd Juse. The mails for the Brazils, the River ilente t'idro, Perm burn. Bahia, Madeira, and BUNKO AM., ‘O.ll be made up an Os evening of the 3rd June. NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS. The number of STAMPS immed •h e authorities MU* St am p-o ffi ce, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS was 3,447,009 This, we believe, is within elght per teat of the noir issued to the Morning Herald, nogg Chrowids, Morning Post, ALL PUT TQU ETILEk In dition to the above, issued Iv t!.. DAILY NBA Morning Paper, there were issued t .t th. F.vening Edit* THE EXPRESS 778,714 Which was more we h!liere, were lamed eagle the Globe or &oisckerd, Evening P. man r.. BMW WATER AT LOP U. 04 REIDOE. Ten DAy—lionles. 31 min Art I Uwe.= To YANA& IS mia.pßlA I MR•rwoo. IS Wu. put E LONDON, W EDNES I)A Y, MA Y 17. WHAT all men feared has takes place in Paris. Ths more maniac of the democrats having got up a pee. cession on behalf of the Poles, or under the pretelt of a movement in their favour, marched to fie chamber, and found it, from either , he treason or the inadvertence of General COCKTAI-, commanding* , national guard, int Ificiently protected. The ale leaders accordingly broke in, mounted the tribal, invaded the President's chair, harangued, made sm. tions, sword in hand, for the dissolution of the gem ment, and of course carried all by the acclamation d their followers. Yet the criminal fools seem to hams organised force or plan for seen. mg or perpetast4 the revolution, the forms of which they bad atessalla in going through. After their votes, they mended off, as in February,to the Hotel-de-Ville, to constitute a provisional government. But tilts time they neither left a chamber nor found the citizens iati• tnidated. The chamber resumed its sitting, and decreed the arrest of the seditious. The national guard mustered not only to the protection of the chamber, bat marched to rid the lintel-de-Ville of the anarchists, most of whom have been arrested. Disgusting and lamentable as aro such scenes, it takes from one's anxiety for the present and fears for the future to observe how vainly the would-be jam- bins seek to reenact the party and the feats of the first great revolution. They perhops do not won the terrible energy of crime; but the people are without the taste for it. None of these men d action durst propose the s .edding of blood, without which all their efforts at resuscitating the terror of former times is vain. In fact, their last outbreak has been more ridiculous than sap thing else, and overwhelms the perpetrators under the weight of its absurdity. BNlttlt. , , BLOC, Oa BLANQUI are heroes worthy of the stocks—not the guillotine. And it must be owned that this is bee — to die of ridicule is the very euih inasia of revolution. The anarchists thus interred, or povrerl-sq, there remain merely the fears of a ton great reaction — the danger that the moderates, completely renvered from their fears, will eject from tile governmeat ell men of thoroughly popular aympaillies, and ehil proceed to establish a republic, surrounded he** narchic institutions. The reaction may go ea far--eY threatens to do so—as excluding not only the Ltetr - ItoLuss, the Louis BLANCS, an,l the FLOCOSS free power, bat even to ostracise LAM RTINE, or post him their rhi a s evident t desire still to conciliate the p ea c e and le It is quite manifest from the arts, the words, god* attitude of LAMARTINE, that he dreads the ffingoll aside and the disinheriting of the popular purty, disappointing all their hopes, fleeting all their We, and the bringing the government beck into the hods of those who might have tie.y welded it, had tc' tli PHILIPPE had the common sense to trot . * I liberals of his time. LAM ARTIN E Of ! section, and collision, and blood, and a ler!' of dangerous struggles to he attenJed 1,15 nneUtain results. Instead, ill , retort., of threw: ing iiims,;4linto the arms of the old dynastic tion, he holds by the people populltarl loping to calm them, lead th em, no. mi them. The members of the last chamber. who L'• so formidable a body in the new assembly , es°,.._°"' understand or forgive this. The y want a speedyvu!" inheriting of the people, and a confiscation of that hopes, or at least a gratifying them solelyafterthe fashion of their own peculiar plities and phileeopht But LAMA.RTINS, almost alone and p2r.onallei the link of connexion, the living compromise, beteg* these two parties ; it is his standing l,etween them which keeps both from open war and mu tual doge: tion. Any grea t mistrust, therefore, she her or the parties to LanAurtsf, by eit 0 o no of the worst si g ns of the future It is certain that the old liberals, supported by ale!! number of the national guards, and by Moe repuhle L ••••••••••••=•.---_ eas who are attached tc is certain that this triumph, in either street over the more violent ar of 3ifonday prove this. cans, the LANIARTINES MARRASTE, find themeel project for crushing tben new changes will r recom mence, like thot where no party can be n one can be commonly We admire as much sition, and admit the Ili Tump.s, PARROT, I not think of exereisin must not think of settir nor is it generous or w those of ARAGO and above that of him win of his country, and c daring the last awful t LOVIS PHILIPPE tt when he took the du ti the restoration,to admi doctrinaires upset the If the National Assen be now administered liberals of Lours Pm a similar mistake. W eympathiev, more ge more catholic in its al NEWS 1 The report sent collected, in the m lion of an insurrectim a word, the im,vemen by the admirable con, troops, who, on this deemed whatever 1 to them on the days of regret which can three of the arch-o what I cannot bat d more properly speal characterkae all the veroment. To the N the troops of the him is indebted that the mercy of the cat-thy pity arrested last thro these u:h re t y h r e andd a samew Having now had to give you more c of last evening, b oembly. You are aware al Lamartine and IA the HOtel-de-Ville, members of the Pi by the insurgents h the assembly ream report of the pro chamber adjourned On die arrival of the pretended their escort at down of the lu sand heads, which expectation of a di neut. The gate republican guards In spite of the fir Bay, governor of against the gat the torrent, in of M. Romper, 2nd company of t Respell, Hubert. het was fired; a U crowd, before so 1 During this tit shops, two on the the Quay de la M captain of the I`, Many persons sai national guard. The column he commandant of th club, mounted on favour of the pi The reader emit( national guard, tt of the schools, nets and cones ral persons clim by main force Ten minutes alto mob got possessii clubs was subetit people occupyin February, cried, Democratique! " broken. Barbi tered the Hotel He mounted on the right wing, of the Provisio flounced to the c to the names of the former was names of Sobrie Respail, and Pr tions. Other Albert ; they members of the A voice cries Hotel de Ville, Citizen Barbes Panic took p composed of 3,1 whom were sot the banlieu, thi sitting. Many benches, which Barbes, after r the first room hall of confers hers of his nev whom were his friends wr new Provision standers threw on the square. These lists , The lists were without even Blanqui, Le moment alle lin iv a traitor bourgeoise a out, "Aux guards, also, i The " gent and the gar bodies. Bart people then of which RI frightful. TI pa - per, the i Barbie and h room, and po At six o'oll in the Hotel painting-offic trations to co national guar " Itarbes! Such wa• tho " No, no ! red belts. touch him." A greater and means ss the thr ee m The sentinels nolent resit; Mayor of Pe It Armand prefet de po Moment. The cry of in fact, N. triumph thro It WU with a few words, aac . l amatione, tat gue and h The if th an