The Express. — London, England, 1847-07-10 00:00:00

! i I Moire anierd lend sodas woo wereaswom o r a =el AN. spine a the whole the emanirp. e am. atissioum had esereised a wile lisereeisn etedNea th! names of the tt e and the peeliedee kstemem he Welt they had not that mreimmilles Irk* wee semeney. He Ow us kW seta hem ke pallitelkm et kelt information. net Mill eteleiss se the Werkiimisofet referred to had boas met eh% he. as we eanthat Inla ssep s l e Z had heard, and belisuida anis awe ems, be hey with the noble' rarl. h wade. Weireeß7 of thp= andenergy of Ireland, net sally in relmearm to lids seers but to di* goad eembet smite that_ rest elk' laity which the hlielpily permitiedte risitkikeetestsy. (Hear, hear.) These, tee, elm were themeless wear ing from the premiere of ibetitution—whish, he a large sense, aniled. to *4M se well as to thess peas—had exhibita the peek& of disintemtedne and salt devotion, and gray lad occurred wherein, out of their diminished UMW tharatry had contributed not only a great proportion etthek serwaney bat that which was of far more vales—their dose and wpml attention, even at the haurd of life itself (for many had fallen victims), to the relief of their suffering fellow-oountryinen. (Hear.) God forbid that they should not acknowledge that debt of grati tude which not only Ireland but England owed to those who had so devoted themselves to the mitigation of the safferiegs of their fellow men. While he must redeem to amok to the noble earl's motion, this, at all events, be maid yeemie, that in every ease when magistrates or mulles aible petitions under the government went= these charge., the opportunity would be given without hello ire the i r names up to the public , for inch pariiee te oar my statement in explanation of their conduct to the gomemmeet they might be enabled to do, and that such espiettelit• would be required in order that the irevernment= take such steps as might be thought asesesap hits Lord BROUGHAM thought that the sweet &weld net have been made, and that when it was not advisible to mar tion the comae the charges should not have teem made. IS Wisbid, knew, to have an assurance from Ile goverammat that these mesineake who had been guilty of ma frauds out conduit sad smadelons dereliction of duty =WU iIIVOINIII in the pietas of servants and labourers in employment, and tenants . WNW property and who had paid their rent, cm the relief hatshould not be continued in the cometissioa of the peace. (Hear, hear.) Earl FITZWILLIAM believed it would have been better had the report not been presented te putionnent. There was, however, a paragraph in it while aminked he a few lines the pith of all the objections whisk bed be mode to the poor-law in both bower; he swat that pining& which described the atter kegmaty of many districts in Ire land for poor-law admiaistwition of any description. What, in fact, had they done for Woad ? They had passed a poor law which it would be almost impossible to carry out, and they had lent for Improvement a sum which would amount to about la. 7td. per acre. They had passed, by acclama tion in that house, a bill for the sale of encumbered estates ; bat he believed there was same hitch about the bill in an. other place. Lora BROUGHAM—UIm be withdrawn. Earl FITZ WlLLlAM—Withdrawn ! Why, that had been the fate of all the severament measure.. (Hear, hear.) The Railway Bill, and that great lion of the session, the Health of Towns Bill, had both been withdrawn. (Hear, hear.) The Encumbered Estates Bill had been withdrawn, not at the solicitations of the Irish landlords, but to please the English mortgagees. lie approved of th at bill in prin. ciple, but he did not anticipate much benefit funs its re sults. Now, at the close of the session, and with a new par. Lenient, he felt considerable uneasiness as to the intentions of government with respect to Ireland. Did they mean to leave it in its present condition, or did they contemplate any vigorous measures for its regeneration ? What was its present condition ? From the report which he held in his band he learnt that there were at this moment two millions of persons receiving daily Miens from the depots of the relief committee. He would ask his noble friends on the minis terial bench whether they meant that such a state of things should last ? (Hear, hear.) These rations cost 21d. each, being 20,0351. per day, and amounting in the ear to the enormous sum of 7,313,3751. Was it to he' that parliament, that the people of this country whist eta sent to the continuance of such a system ? (Hew, hear.) lie raked whether it was consistent with the maintenance of public order that one-third of the population of a kingdom should be maintained by charity ? The rates would &both half the rental ; and what would be the condition of an Refy lish county in which half the rental was swallowed up by the rate? Sussex was the highest rated county in England, sad it was infinitely less than would be the average rating in Ireland. There we. one step which had been taken by the government of whi chie apposed. He found that a bill had been paned grantian advance of 613,0001. to certain Irish railways. But more must be done ; for if they did not raise Ireland to the level of England, England would rapidly sink to the level of Ireland. One way or the other the level between the two countries must be inaintaiaed. Ho was satisfied that a judicious, but it must be a huge, outlay of capital by the goven.ment, while it would save Ireland, would be ultimately beneficial to this country. Something must be done ; there were two millions to be fed, and since the failure of the potato crop there were no means of feeding them in the country. England could not feed herself, but she had something to give in return for the food which came from other countries. Ireland had nothing to give, and govern ment must amply the deficiency, unites they meant that the people should die by thousands next year, as they had done during the present. The government ought to reflect that great emergencies are also great opportunities, and that such an opportunity as the present seldom offered. He hoped that ministers would have the courage to meetthe difficulties which presented themselves, and energy enough to bear them through the existing emergency with honour, thereby proving themselves worthy of the confidence the country had in them. Lord MONTEAG LE said that the persons who had aimed the confidence reposed in them ought to be dismissed from the magistracy. _ Lord RODEN said that he was better satisfied with what the noble marquis had said than if he had carried his motion. which he 'egged to withdraw. The house then adjourned at a quarter to nine. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAT, JULY 9. The Bram= took the chair at 3 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSEOESB. SECOND READINOS.—Mansers Estate; Pawn's Estate ; Bala REPORTS. — Arbroath aad Porter and Scottish Midland Junction Railways sennesting Railway; Bowie Estate: London and exurb Western Railway; Booke's Estate; Tumid! Market Company's Estate ; Bilk. REPORT CONBIDERED.—Great Northern Railway (Isla Of An halm. Extenion). PUBLIC BLISINE2B. PETMONIL—By Mr. W. liams, two petitions from the graziers attending ansitheeld market, Sc Ot•ato of to wootiottowe. REPORTS.-00WWT.Satio! r:::Parairla (Ireland): Polling at Dee . end tm o ; rotate Works _ THIRD READlllo.—Waiillaiation of Aliens Bill. WESTMINSTER IMPROVEMENTS. SW D. L. EVANS inquired from the noble lord the Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forests whether the im provement, intended as a continuation street from New Co vestecelmet towards King-street, Covent-garden, was to be carried /toward this session or postponed ? Lord MORPETH, in answer to the question, had to ea. press his regret that, in consequence of the state of the funds at the disposal of the government, he was unable to give the hon. and gallant member an assurance that he (Lori Mor peth) mild this session introduce • bill to carry out the im provement to which the hon. and gallant member alluded. THE WELLINGTON TESTIMONIAL. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that in moving the order of the day for a weapon eleupply, he wished to all the attention of the !mats a peedisabir notice which semi aa the paper for to-night, in the manes of his noble friend the maim kg Lynn, with rehresee le the stable of the Doke Wellingten, now erected apes the triwinglial arch in the Chien Park. On this subject his amble friend had asked him a quad's the other day, end slam that emotion various statements had been made vita rupee is the /Wings of the Duke et Wal lington on the wit of the dates remaining wen the arch. He (Lord J. Rowell) had le gelds amble Mead to postpone the motion of white he lad Siren man IMO Monday, he (Lord J. Atwell), of noon, peelpemis any vote on the estimates with referent* to the statue IMO that day. He asked the noble lord to consent to a palposessent on these . grounds. He (Lori J. Rumen) had never had any communication of any kind with reaped to the Duke a Wellington's feelings and *aims_ &psi the weiehtett date a communication made to him la DruMngutrese, emu time ago, by a gentleman well known to the house, sad wham he did not now hesitate to nanee—he meant Mr. Craw. After that communication, in nesordanee with the wishes of her Majesty, it was iirranired that timishatne should be placed upon a pedestal to be eternal err the goring, in the Park, sad since that arrangement he (Lard J. Russell) had net re caved any regular or authentic ocauannication on the @ab ject. He hesd, however, authority to Ode that her had sagreued a widethat seeking should be done that= be gedaild, sr odd be sonsidened ea 1•W • ttl to dr Sol s of the greeleet dates esid~ of her stibMete. (lied tilleaso Es therefore wished Ns sable Mead to *Haw lila an eppentanity of endesvwsting to assartein what were the lbsiliwol the Duke of Wellington an the embiect. (Hear, tier.) he hull/ the noble dabs wen whew to the statue plead urea the pedestal heel beet pre peed, he ad thin ask say vote in supply Itsr its mo tif" wad bat Muisety, he woe pomaded, would neeet readily comsat to the statue remising where it was now placed. Lord O. BENTINCHeedd he had not a word for beyond at once expreseing_his eoweatt to the proposition el hb noble friend oppisite. He (Legg G. Bentinck) was pathetic con scious of what the beEym of the illustrious Individual would be in rawest et the removal of the statue, and he could only rejoice to beer her his sable friend that which amounted to an ammease that, without raising any discus sion (which to him weld base his. very panful), the me morial to the Duke of Weßhigton was sure, with the con- I sent of her Mejesty, to remain where it now stood. Sir F. TRENCH was prepared at once to give the noble lord at the heed of the government the opinion of the Dube of Wellington CS the su'bject. (Loud cries of " No, no.") Lord J. RIMMELL thought it would be better, under all the eireumallemo, that he should have an oppo rtunity: of aleartataing Waage sad sentiments of the noble duke a and amide moar. (Hear.) % Ir a few words frees Mr. HINDLEY, which were loot to the gallery, Sir F. TRENCH hoped that on Monday, when this sub jut was renewed, he should be allowed to make a statement on behalf of the sub-committee, and to read a letter from the Duke of Wellington, which contained the whole of the in formation the noble lord desired to obtain. CHARGE AGAINST MR. Hti3lE. Mr. SPOONER claimed the indulgence of the house whilst be brought under its notice a question of a personal nature but which, he confidently believed , the house would feel, when all the facts were before it, that other than per sonal ecasklerations were involved in the matter. He, there 1ib16.7e, would simply state the whole of the cue, and having dam se, be amnia Mae the mire entirely la is bends W Mese le Mile whet Nee of order oe s Z es enise to ln punnet Chi Se day tr ileb.se Antessie that ladegmbrjedgmat whithbe hr bionic be bed AO, aterreag to the ther ashram the si~ et the Mak et fietterk err le in emeleern that it wee bh dry to nee espind the media if the Ma. weber ter Warms, and kid den. se TM neat morning he was Wing is hie One la the Meek next to his Deeds)), w ho Mead the mane dr Rochester (M who beard .11 thet tsars& was the ha. Millablir far Montrose (Mr. Nam) semi the lee" and, in a very emits& mama, rid to hie Sposase), "So yen ested4= lest night. Laughter.)Speorej . "111 certain* von morn you leet the kr member (Kr. Hen* lemeM4 ser " Yea Ws end I will beteg the Male et pee ses'e seadert bibs the hemp, r wall as that et the tourer d Mr. Hatt, the he.. wombat tar Garebeed, es I or repered to peen that set sier•thea 13 isdepisdest towobOOS Mel in the majority what re." He (Kr. Spooner) imeedietsly misti l y yea ban ony 'huge to make soder may dm, I ,as a manse et courtesy, you rya saw noes ere glee= at eleedes ft." Upsa whir' the bar caw rid, "Yea had bettor look at the essesin ef the blue book, and- you will gad that, as a magistrate in India, he was aernened in the meter of the Rajah et Satter& ;" and than he left, and mimed his usual seat. At that moment he (Mr. Spooner) esehred he was at aloes what course to purse, but, es asehledsg the matter, end consulting with friends of mon padlematery emporium than himself, who said that he could net allow the mater,, rest there, he had determined to meation the ocanneeme te the housii,ia cedar that they leW pro an opiales spa t. He had Menne* been told tra dim& this did mat Saitilid to a karma et perilege, yet k enneeliet eo are le —it smear Nib dourly tbe ehrestar et an attempt to rimers with the insispeedease el and to prevent them Mimi aoserdlng to the best et their judgment, to say the Wet slit, that he (Mr. Spouse) eis& net to beep the waits" beet from the knowledge of ihe hem. Miatever dwage the Ma. member (Kr. Err) ✓ight ben le ring spier hie me e tpmer) sift be biped be read be allowed tire l it; but be saint rum* that it was entious that he mist have Mem the =the rasp now for at MR Me peer and yet be ot en this extrawilinary Mae Mt esammicsate it ' lim (Mr. Spooner), ths very mends, aim be had weed avian the hosisrable MOOlbet'S adios. The vets le had gives away he was ready to expiate et heed ; but balled mew Air the metier calmly and he bred dearly, he left ft to be dinar et as to the house should seem fit. (Hear, hoar.) Mr. HUME said he must acknowledge that • more ex ' truirdinary speech than that just made by the hon. member for Birmingham he (Mr. Hume) had never heard during the long paied he had held a *eat in that house. (Hear, hear.) WhM sitting at home yesterday at five o'clock, he had re ceived a note from the hon. member requesting him to be is his plies in the house at four o'clock. On the receipt of the note he (Mr. Hume) was wholly at a loss to conjecture what the hon. member wanted with him • he thought, however, that it might be because he had conUnitted some violation of the hon. member's Seduction Bill. (Roan of laughter.) He was now, however, undeceived upon the mattee; and be meld put it to the house to say whether any individeal bed ever, up to this period, had his conduct complained of or questioned for having privately spoken to another member ea a subject-matter about to be brought forward in the fol• lowing week ? Instead of blaming, the hon member ought to be obliged to him, for having privately and casually nn tired the subject. (Laughter.) The hon. member for Dor nesitire (Mr. Bankes) was present, and could state whether these were not the facts as they occurred. In peeing along W house to band in some papers to the elm* at the table be (Mr. Hume), as he came back, said to the boa. member (Kr. Spooner), "I see yr. vote d agaist my motion last eight." The answer was, Yes, I did. " He (Mr. Hume) them aired, "Have you seen the result of the number. on 0100 AAA= ? If not, there they are. Of the et who voted agora my motion, I find enamel belonging to the late go ' moment, to the present government, and to the East India I Mispany. Then there is lir. Hutt andyoureolf, both of whom have relatives who wee lONSSOWMI with the sal pert of the nensentions in relation to the asks et the Raj of Satter*, 10 that there are only 14 irleptaiss4 imaben who voted against me. I put them spire tbe 33 isdependent mem bers who voted with se, mil tarts I esseider that I haw carried the vote." (Lead =2 The hon. member stated thet the Mr. in the blue book was his son, upon whislirrt. Home) said, "Very well ; on Tuesday next I aka I see as egmernity of noticing the subject sighs, end et englsiebeg Wu votes which were given on the lost metre, and the Mow in which both Mr. Spooner and lir. Hutt were into in the business." The bon. samba, then said, " Tell me sow what is your charge against my son ;" upon which he replied that he would hear all when the motion came on. Oa Tuesday he would satisfy the hen. member that both Mr. Spooner ad Mr. Hutt mentioned in the blue book WIN meting magistrates in the matter, the one having seised the robber who took the papers relating to the Goa affair, and the other was the ma gistrate who kept the officer of the Rajah, Gonad Raub, in a dark dungeon until he made a cmhs . , under the threat of death, of the guilt of the rajah. This was all that had taken place, and a more gratuitous interference than that of the hon. member for Birmingham . he (Mr. Hume) had never witnessed. If any breach of privilege had been committed, it was by the hon. member himself, in thus having brought a private communication under the notice of the house ' • and on these grounds he thought the hon. member had not acted in this Instance with his usual good sense and judgment. Mr. HUTT thought the hon. member for Montrose was a very ungrateful man, for instead of feeling obliged to those gentlemen who declined to support him in his blunders and difficulties, he turned round upon them in an irritating man ner, and accused them of base and improper motives. (" Hear" and a laugh.) He (Mr. Hutt) should not accuse the hon. member for Montrose of any baseness or dishonesty, because he believed the honourabtr gentle man to be in capable of such conduct, but at the same time he must say that the hon. gentleman was not on all occasions distin guished for elevated wisdom ' nor was his language and de meanour on all maims characterised by the strictest delicacy or propriety ; and therefore he must tell the hon. member that the imputations he had been pleased to cut upon him did not a ff ect him in the smallest degree. He (Mr. Hutt) trusted his character afforded him a sufficient protec tion against any calumnies which the hon. member might level against him, and therefore whenever he chose to revive these stories, he (Mr. Hutt) should receive them with perfect cheerfulness and good humour,—indeed, he rather liked them. (" Hear," and a laugh.) If the matter related only to himself, he (Mr. Hutt) should be quite willing to sit down, and not occupy the attention of the house for a sincle momeat longer; but as reference was made to a near relative of his, he bwed to state what were the real facts of the case. That relative had been in that house and elsewhere A mm o by the honourable ^; err fur 3/cutpcse with haviag immured in a dark (lantern the mi.. nister of the wish, and there, tinder menaces of death, compelled kin is make a c onfession implicating the niah. What ireedatien was there for this false and foolish stay ? After what bad been stated en a former ociession, he ilt a Lutt) had mode an application to his relative for in -lon the eal4ece, who said that the whole of the try emeelneess were stated in the papers laid on the table of the lessee he _the Bard of Control. These crumbliest' were these. Kr. Hatt en stoning to the thief tom etlh• die trim me whir be peeided, was informed by the mistant, that kart Ks arena a prisoner of reek bed been thought in, and UM ter merry he bed bean lodged is the gaol. Mr. Hatt POSOMMIId to the trek rid eamderating the condition eT a men who bed - MK greet power and high station, related him from the proem, lodged him in one of the best hems in the di serreanded bra with everything int kindness and ' mould nigger end invited him to his own house. Not expecting such trermat, the minister at re mrejah expared a desire to make some communised.' reepeetiag that deport roam& Mr. Hutt forewarnailia that ay ~Merest be right make would be forwarded to re goneamat d ismay. On this he be came silent, bat semi days ehermerds he made a statement, knowing it wouldbe sent, es sired, to the government ; that statement was reduced to in the plumes of Mr. Hutt, his totretary, sad an airt upon Govin Row. The document woo read over to him, and afterwards for warded le Os wromm r ••sat at Bombay. On its receipt it was found to seria ere lehemstra which had previously reached them. But it me mil that Gavin Bow bad since retracted that confession, end stated it was not volun tary, but had been extracted from Um while confined in a dungeon, and not given in the maw sad under the cir cumstances he (Mr. Hutt) hest Just detalled. The hon. member for biomass believed in lie rerestations. He was at liberty to do es, bat it he she belleved that his (Mr. Hutt's) relative was ewe, et being a pasty to the transic tin attributed to Ma hi modems to the unfortunate pri soner, it was the bourn duty lithe bm. member to bnng the matter under the emideratioa et the house. lie (Mr. Hutt) had now Mired he story, and he trusted that he should be alio to *air W esmince of his relative when ever that mimesis night be bee! sight forward. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HAMM ' as his name bell boa mentioned by the hon. member for Montrose in eassesies with the matter submitted to the house by his boa. Mend near hint (Mr. Spooner), mast entirely repudiate the notion that there had been say confidence or privacy in the conversation which took place on the oeeaslon in question between those two hon. members. He (Mr. Henke') had been an unwilling listener, for the hon. member for Montrose spoke so loud that he could not help hearing all that was said. It appeared to him as though the hon. member for Montrose came aeries the house purposely to make the attack upon his hon. Mend (Mr. Spooner), who was then sitting quietly by his (Mr. Bathes's) side. On hearing what was said, he (Mr. flanks.), addressing the hon. member for Montrose, said, " You mean Mg as a joke." The hon. member replied, " Yon will find It is no joke, for I shall certainly bring the matter before the louse." On the whole, he thought it was an attack upon his hon. friend, for the exercise of his judgment on a ques tion submitted to the Donee. He (Mr. Rubes) begged to esy that he was no party te the proceeding; he was sure the eibaracter of his hon. friend (Mr. Spooner) required no via =ii at if was called upon, he felt bound to state sli geopie be Must say that a very offensive attack had bum mile, coming in no very private manner an im perilment of the vote which his bon. friend had given. Mr. B. OSBORNE expressed a hope, that after what had =r Speaker would call upon the hon. member for , and the hon. member for Birmingham, to give an isseranCO to the house that they would take no further pro • esedlngs in the matter. (Roars of laughter, which continued flgt srvenl minutes.) Mfrs. H. INGLIS said though the attempt to raise a =til been successful, he begged to offer two or three to the house. The hon. member for Montrose, at the time tie submitted his motion relative to the case of the ex. rajah, either knew, or did not know, that Mr. Spooner, of India and Mr. Hutt, of India, were guilty parties in the proceedings taken with regard . to that individual. If guilty, he ought to have included their names amongst ehose whom THE EXPRESS, SATURDA' be ahidelfted. wee. v eto eeftht aot te avail himself the how an d twasie elate lea. mambas bear. Whin Imes, lad hillfthen. iaseesegaates of these votes, he wadi bets the maim of theft relatives before the hem. • 116 wpiset sends of yeeeseiles which was either erailliaMe la the be. amber or ealealatei le raise the che mist of the team Lind J. Roam maid that he was are of the ease 'wetudesa as that empanel by the tea. amber he the 17el ft a ozheL He Ore& that spalt bt = after Ural; gala their veer haraftl le i mad l e and le loran thet - Ow tot voted wader the in= Swan of theft ariesakse relathmes, was a art nub,- etaleg presseHm sad If dome by say peon tut the his. reeraber rntee wadi ISM Mee ea ramps to ba dahlia. He did est weeder that the hews 1111 net sera bellsed to treat the mita eueleady. if, bed bag been aneskated to the aware sea lower al the boa. member be Mattress, and he Hi not Wok be Wald le haps% Int -1 proper motives. Certainly, whether it areas hem the aa firkin ef his mind, or that he hal eerie made Massifa pis raw ef the English leageers—(lond laughter)—the ▪ waselear threw out herelletions and used words in dintriblng the conduct of °them which, if they were uttered by anybody else, would give great offence, but when de livered by him nobody thought them wo rthy of notice. (Renewed laughter.) The honourable member seemed to possess a charter of liberty of speech in that house, and therefore he (Lord J. Remelt) thought the honourable members for Gateshead and Birmingham, and their respective relatives, might rest satisfied that they stood entirely clear in this matter, and that nobody in or out of the house would pay the smallest attention to the charges brought against them by the hon. member for Montrose. (Hear, and renewed laughter.) Mr. AOLIONBY said for the many years he had at in the house he had witnessed both the conduct and manner of his hon. friend the member for Montane., and although he (Mr. Aglionby) might agree in the jocular remark made by the noble lord, that his bon. friend was a chartered libertine —(roars of laughter interrupted the hen. and learned mem ber for Cockermouth ; Lord J. Russell shook his head in negation of having made any such remark ; the laughter was renewed, and on its continuance the hon. and learned gentle man wan set right se to the expression used by the noble lord)—Mr. Aglionby, as soon as silence was partially restored, proceeded to say that he rejoiced to find that he had mis understood the noble lord, who had attributed to his hon. friend the posessaion of a charter of liberty of speech. If his hos. friend had that privilege, he was entitled to it for the great good humour he always displayed, for the readi ness with which he always gave advice and assistance to members oiler experience than himself, and for his services to the country, which owed him a debt of gratitude that it could never repay. (Hear, hear.) He was convinced his hoe. friend never intended to give any offence, and there fore he hoped the subject would be proceeded with no fur ther. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME hoped to be allowed to say a few words in explanation. On a former evening, when a member of the cabinet had thought proper to all him a thief, a receiver of stolen goods, and to use with respect to him a variety of other epithets, he had felt that the right hon. baronet to whom he alluded (Sr J. Hobhonse) made use of those ex pressions in the warmth of debate, and he (Mr. Hume) had therefore stated that he should not take the smallest notice of them; but white the First Lord of the Treasury thought proper to rise—and in a cool, premeditated manner to tell him that he had not learned his own language, and that he had a charter of liberty of speech, he had a right to know upon what authority the noble lord made that statement. (Loud laughter.) He thought the attempt of the noble lord to joke off the motion was unworthy and unbecoming the position he held. He should say no more, but leave the matter to be dealt with by the house. The conversation hers dropped, and in a few minutes afterwards Mr. Hume crowed the house, and took his seat on the front opposition bench, by the side of Mr. Spooner, amidst loud and general laughter, in the midst of which an earnest colloquy appeared to take place between the two hon. member,. In a few momenta Mr. Hume returned to the seat he usually occupies, and silence was restored. COMMUTED PENSIONS. Sir D. L. EVANS repeated the question put by him on a former day, whether the government would reconsider the case of the pensioner whose pensions had been com mute/ on their emigration to Canada, and who had returned to this country He also wished to know whether any steps had been taken to improve the ventilation of the bar racks through the country ? Mr. F. MAUL& was understood to say that the case of the pensioners would be considered. With respect to the second question, the army was satisfied with the alterations which the government had in progress. Mr. ELLICE strongly recommended the case of the pen sioners to the favourt.ble consideration of the government. ROMAN CATHOLIC SOLDIERS. In answer to Mr. A. MACARTHY, lir. F. MAULE said that in the votes provision was made that Roman Catholic soldiers serving at home and abroad should rewire from their priests the offices and consolations of their religion. BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER BILL. In answer to a question put by Mr. ROEISIELN, Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Bishopric of Manchester Bill stood for a second reading on Monday, but if be could not bring it on before half-past nine or ten o'clock, he should postpone it to Thursday. IRELAND.—REPORT OF THE RELIEF COM MISSIONERS. Sir D. NORRE'FS moved, pursuant to his notice, for a return of so muck of the correspondence or reports of the in spectors, under the act 10 Vie., ch. 7 with the names, ranks, and residences of the parties referred to, as sustains the state ments made by the commissioners of relief in their third re port condemnatory of the conduct of relief committees, or of individuals, in carrying out the provisions of the said act. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN opposed the motion, and was addressing the house when the Usher of the Bla ck Rod (Sir Augustus Clifford) appeared at the table, and sum moned the house to attend in the House of Peers, to hear the royal assent; given by commission to numerous bills (for which see Lords' report). On the return of the SPEAKER, after an absence of half an hour, the names of the bills which had received the royal semi were read,—for list of which see the Lords' report. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN then resumed his address. The only effect of the hon. baronet's proposition would be to enable accusations to be made, without giving the accused an opportunity of defending themselves. Mr. LABOUCHERE thought it unnecessary to go at any length into this question. Fully admitting the force of the statements made by the commissioners. he denied that they contained any general or indiscriminate attack on the readmit gentry of Ireland. Though complaining of in stances of misconduct, the commissioners admitted these cases to be exceptions ; they bad only done what they deemed their duty in reporting the existence of emelt cases ; and it was therefore most unfair to ce them with an ' attempt to mar the Irish gentry y. Should the motion of the non. member for Mallow be agreed to, it would necessarily lead to most extended and minute inquiry in each case in the 1,600 relief districts. Most properly had the commissioners refrained from mentioning games; and the oarreepondence asked for would thus defeat their object, and lead to most protracted inquiries. Still, it was right that the government should not altogether pus over such cases ; there was a great distinction to be made between the case of those who were magi tes and other' : in cues where magistrates were charged. the government had sent them copies of the correspondence, and had asked for their explanation. This was the only practical mode in which the matter could be noticed at all. Recollecting that the committee on Captain Wynne's case had occupied 32 days, and had met 3,0001., he hoped that no more such in quiries would be granted. After a few observations from Mr. Ross, The house divided :—For the amendment l9 Against it On our return to the gallery we found Lord CLEMENTS speaking: and understood the noble lord to be inquiring whether it was the intention of the government to continue the relief which had been afforded by them in Ireland, after the next harvest, because there were many parishes in that country in which the population greatly exceeded the valuation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a clause was inserted in the Relief Act, which limited its operation to a certain day ; and the government did not contemplate introducing any bill to extend the operation of the present law. JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL.-CONFERENCE WITH THE HOUSE OF LORDS. At is stage of the proceedings, ~ Sir t J h . PAKINGTOPT reported to the house that he had been to the House of Lords to request a conference on the subject of their lordships' amendment to the Juvenile Of fenders Bill, to which their lordship* bad agreed, and had sp= k W be held imeseMately in the royal gallery. alandias woe accordingly appointed to tbn afilllassea w the part of this house, and left the ham During their absence the business waft Oa NUM a the members who had attended the con ilinnaneW regorted the result of their interview. DI AL RELIEF FOR THE POOR. Mr. 'ERRAND wished to know whether the statement mods by the hon. and learned member for Bath on a former evening, that the medical officer of a union had the power of recovering the price of drugs, which might be distributed by him to the poor, out of the poor-rates, was correct ? Sir G. GREY believed the general practice, under the existing law, to be, that contracts were taken by medical men for attending the poor, which contracts included the supply of medicines ; but there was a provision, that in case of sudden illness, justices of the peace might direct medical relief to be given. The hon. gentleman had referred, on a previous evening, to a medical officer of a union being obliged to see the poor die for want of proper medicine, and in such a MO he (Sir G. Grey) thought the medical man was not free from blame, as he she al d have taken care in making his contract not to take so small a sum as to be unable to provide proper medicines for his patients ; and in any case he might have applied to a magistrate to order the nacemary medicine. After a few words from Mr. BORTH WICK, the subject dropped. SUPPLY. The house then went intoac;littee of supply. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Bret vote had reference to the poor-law commissioners. and it was impossible for the government to put any other vote in the estimates than that of last year. The salary of the chief commissioner, however, would be 2,0001. per annum, which would effect a saving of 4,0001., as there had been hitherto three commissioners, each receiving the Milne salary. It was further proposed to raise the salaries' of the secretaries to 1,6001. a year ; there had been but one secretary under the old oommissioners, at a salary of 1,000!. a year, and it was intended that there should be two secretaries to the new board. Mr. FERRAND said he had intended to bring forward EVENING, JULY 10, 1847. the subject of the inefficiest reenneration of nnsdiesl °Mass of poor-law anions throughout the kingdom, bat if the government would give him an ultimo, that this attention of the mammdoners should be imme diately directed to the starject, he would not press it on the attention of the bonne. It appeared, however, that medical men attending the poor, in almost all CMS, were scarcely allowed enough to pay for the drop they supplied. In Lam beth, the surs to the union bad only been paid at the rate of a tut a day far each ems he had under his care. Sir G. ORB had no hesitation in stating that ths sahject of medical relief for the poor was me dawassing a San and attentive consideration; and It would rostvessdi eensiders tion at the hands of the poor-law commiiisme• a right hon. baronet had, before he left Mak proposed * we* on, object of which was to increase daisies., d dis masa relief of the poor. He had a correspondena with the poor law contmissonen on the subject, with a view to carry out that object. After a few words from Mr. FERRAND, Mr. WAKLEY said inquiry had been before nude into this subject, and from that Inquiry the discovery was made that no men in this kingdom were so badly paid as the medi cal practitioners a Ullioll2. (Hear, hear.) The present system wu one of inhumanity and cruelty, and it was im possible that it could be allowed to pass over neat semioo. The system of contracts wu in itself most unjust, and no gentleman would apply it to his dogs or horses. He under stood that two mat important clauses of the Poor Law Ad ministration Bill were mutilated since the bill left the house. If that were so be thought the bill ought to be in this house before they consented to this vote. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that they could not know what changes took place in the bill till it came before this house. The question now was, whether the hoe. gentleman would oppose a vote for the carrying on of the poor-law administration ? Mr. WILLIAMS was glad to have an opportunity of giving the government credit for effecting a considerable re duction of expenditure in this department. He did not think that the measure would be acceptable to the public, if the changes which were said to be effected in another place were really made. After a few words from Mr. WASLET and Sir 0. Gm, Capt. PECHBLL said he thought that they should know what changes were made in the bill before they consented to this Tote. The ;Ose was then screed to. On the vote of 28,682!., being a portion of the vote for the British Muteom, being proposed Mr. BERNAL was understood to complain that a fair there of the money was not appropriated to the purchase of MSS. . . . . Su R . INGLIS mid, that is the last year a sum of not las than 3.0001. had been voted by the trustees for the pur chase of MSS. It was true that a larger sum of money was devoted to the purchase of printed books, but both the present Chancellor of the Exchequer and the late Chancellor would admit that it was not for want of application for funds that more MSS. bad not been purchased. __... . ' • • Mr. HUME said it was his intention to have entered into the details of this vote, but he would refrain from doing so, as all the matters connected with the British Museum were to be investigated bye commission. He would only say that though 48,5161. seemed to be a large sum of money to vote for the British Museum, he could not think that it was otherwise than usefully applied, considering the great bene fits derived from that establishment, and that 750,000 per. sons had visited it last year. (Hear, hear.) Mr. C. W. WYNN begged to call the attention of the committee to the publication of the " Ancient Historians of England," a work of great importance, for which a great mass of materials had 'seen collected. (Hear, hear.) The prosecution of that work had been discontinued, but he thought it most desirable that the subject should not be lost sight of. It was a work which would have done honour to the country, and he was sorry to see that it wu almost to tally forgotten. Mr. DICKINSON said that he believed one volume of the work, coming up to the period of the Conquest, wu ready to be printed. That volume had been under the superin tendence of Mr. Pettit, and he believed that 30,0001. had been expended upon it. He believed if an arrangement could be come to with Mr. Pctre's executors, that the expen diture of 30,0001. incurred in the preparation of that volume would not he thrown away. Sir R. INOLIS disapproved of the plan adopted by Mr. Petre, namely, that of taking one part of his compilation from one histor ian, and another part from another. The consequence of such a plan was, that they never would have the text of soy one historian complete. He hoped that the sum of 30,0001. was not expended on one volume which was left incomplete. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that en offer had been made to the executors of Mr. Petro, respecting the work compiled by him, but he could not state what was the result. The government would not lase sight of the suggestion of the right hon. gentleman the member for Montgomeryshire. The vote was then agreed to. On the proposal of 41,6001. for the salaries of stipendiary justices in the colonies, Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that the vote was not just to the anther country. The general condition of the blacks in the West Indies was far superior to that of the working people of Great Britain. Mr. HAWES said that in the last two years the amount of the vote had been reduced by about 3,6001. A pro gressive reduction was now taking place, and he hoped ChM, through the improving condition of the colonies, the nem. sit y for such a vote would continue to decrease. The vote was then agreed to. On the proposal of 10,0001. for the support of captured " C. 1 4. BORTHWICK rose, in pursuance of notice, "to call the attention of the house to the great evils and cruelties resulting from the system adopted under treaties with foreign powers for suppressing the traffic in slaves, and in pursuance of various acts of the legislature for carrying those treaties into effect." The hon. member said his object was to relieve this e nintry from the pressure of a very heavy burden on her annual mama, to prevent a vast amount of moral turpitude, and to save many thousands of lives in Africa. England had much to answer for in reference to Africa. The hon. mem ber then referred to the history of the "lave trade from the earliest period, and to various acts passed and treaties entered into for its suppression. .In the year 1788 . a . commission was ajp i gi e n s t l e a t e b/ T ne e ;Kantndguintheo. report uncil to o ; i i .i :a t ui co re m m ra to th on e t sZ re te was a description of the character of vessels employed. It appeared that at that period there wu a complete separation, both as to ages and sexes. The worst slave-ship which could be found in Liverpool at that time had 5 feet 8 inches between decks; whereas the noble lord the member for Lynn had stated, in the debate on the sugar question, that the best ships now employed in the slave trade had no mere than 2 feet 10 inches. In 1788 the mortality of slaves on the middle passage was from 3 to 10 per cent., and the whole of England was roused from one end to the other by the announcement ; the mortality at present, under the vigilance of our cruisers, was no lees than 600 or 700 per cent. This increase was owing to no other cause than the taxing of the people of England, through a mistaken humanity, to the extent of 1,0011,0001. per annum, in order to put down the slave trade. It must not be sup posed that be was advocating a return, on the part of this , country, to the slave trade ; on the contrary, his object was to put an end to that trade, and he knew not how they could make a better beginning than by allowing greater inter course between the African and the European population. It could not be doubted that if more of such intercourse ex isted, Africa, notwithstanding her present degraded condi tion, would insensibly rise to the assertion of something like independence. After some further remarks on the iinquities of the slave trade, and the horrors of the middle passage, the hon. member concluded by expressing his anxiety that the government would take a bold course upon this subject. Viscount PALMERSTON yielded to the hon. gentleman all the credit of having stated his case with great dexterity. His object seemed to be to legalise the slave trade, and he proposed to do that under the excuse of mitigating its hor rors. He fully admitted that England owed a deep debt to Africa and her people. England was the first country to in troduce the abomination ; but as she was the first to commit the sin, so she had been the first to make a a noble, and a fitting restitution. (Hoer, hear.) great, beg leave to say, however, that he differed with the honourable gentleman as to the comparisons he had drawn between the cruelties of the middle passage before the aboli tion of the slave trade, and since they had adopted vigorous measures for its suppression. The hon. member appeared to state that before the abolition the slaves auk) ed every com fort—that their rooms were admirably fur • and fumi gated with delightful odours—and that the mor tality among the slaves was only from 2 to 10 pa coat. The hon. member might have go.. further. He might have said (for it had been stated in examination before the house), that so de lightful was the condition of the slaves during the middle paasage, that it wan the happiest period of their lives. (" Hear," and a laugh.) Prospectively considered, perhaps they were entitled so to regard it. (Renewed cheers and laughter.) But these statements, as the house mast be aware, were the views of sluetraders, not of impartial men, and in the real facts as to the state of slave traffic before the abolition they would find much that was Infinitely more horrifying than anything they had re esatly hued. One picture of the traffic could never be eared. In thou days there were boarding nets encas hable the ships for the object—horrifying it was to think Cprevting the slaves from jumping overboard! —sf en asances were endless of escapes in this way from the mimeinsatlifs, and often was it recorded that one desperate vain W titeggsd down another less prepared than tumult Ate eke list kspeeate act of miserable humanity. The slaves ia ewe awe ewe subject to great cruelties below, and on dr disk the bah was used to compel them to jump about kr esareke. Bat, said the honourable member, " The daft ere sew so horrible! The mortality has ab solutely ineramed in these pawages to 600 per cent !" How SOO per cent of the slaves on board could be carried off, he (Lord Palmerston) could not exactly see. (Laughter.) ul The hon. member was probably at fault in his arithmeto se ion that point. Probably he meant that they had incre y 6 per cent. ? [Mr. P. Borthwick : Ah ! yes, yes. (laughter ..)') But, at the same time, he (Lord Palmerston) did not in the least deny that great cruelties were even now committed on these unfortunates. When they considered the acts of cruelty committed in the capture, the sufferings of these people on their march to the coast, their tortures on the pas sage, and the miseries to which they were condemned on their arrival in America, he felt himself entitled to repeat, what be had said on a former occasion, that if all the other crimes perpetrated by mankind were massed together in one black . aggregate, they would not equal the e of crimes committed in this atrocious traffic. ( I ffe r g a l t sear.) They were all agreed, then, as to the offence ; but what the hon. member argued was, that the measures taken by the government did but add to the evils of the trade. The hon. member began his conversion to free. trade principles by arguing in favour of free-trado in slaves. He (Lord Palmerston) refused to accept his conversion on such terms. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member argued that if Europeans were allowed to have moms to Africa, the logiti mate trade of the senstity woad speedily put an end to the slave trade. Bat If there wee time that on which people were more nuked them sino thi tr atis t was that where the slave teal. milted it superseded every other sort of riesksonee. And amksees sewed in Aikido, the Mks laud mmeenther that aE shook of civilisation montil coda midi it. The bk. amber that fan task Is aka. wadi awash wadi as al di trade as to irks Brunton nemsbonto ilk of it. aka • reason reminded him of the to the anti-Imeek to putdown hoseshesaking 4 settles it In a hid'enks tight lakes the public. This sepement was too childish, indeed, to esquire refutation. All experlemes proved that where the anon lade we. Wetlywatisi, Its amount diminished ; while it Inersosed wherever we relaxed our exertions. the passist tiros hod entered into certain treaties at an &intik fatheads'= to put an end to the slave trade in their dominions. Thissosree would be persevered in, end would, he homed, have the effect of checking the traffic The importation at slaves into Cuba had already, he was glad to say;very materially di minished; and if Spain chose to exert her authority, he had no doubt that in a little time it might be put en end to altogether. Spain, however, un fortunately, not strong in the Peninsula, was peculiarly weak at Cuba, where it was notorious that the authorities derived direct advantages from the continuance of the sys tem, and were consequently peculiarly interested in its maintenance. Brazil still remained, he was sorry to say, the great offender; and it wan an aggravation of her crime that it was 'auctioned tea great extent by her government. (Hear, hear.) In 1846 it was estimated that no leas than forty-two thousand slaves were imported into the empire, and he feared this estimate was far below the real number. Not a man from the highest to the lowest subject but seemed in some way directly or indirectly to encourage or connive at the practice, and, amour the officials, there could be but little doubt that it constituted a considerable portion of their emoluments. There could be no doubt that Brazil was daily in the practice of violating a solemn con treat with this country. In the northern part of Brasil, however, the planters were beginning to employ native Indians, and, if their labour were found effective, this would in itself tend materially to lessen the importation of 'laves into that empire. In the meantime, the exertions of the British government were greatly limiting the rangs of this atrocious traffic and he had no doubt that a v igorous pone- Tenn°, in it wo uld; gradually extinguish the trade altogether. He, therefore, most earnestly pretested against soy interrup tion of that system. Mr. HUME said that exclusive of the loss of life attend ing our futile attempts to put down the slave trade, the actual cost In money to this country of those efforts was not ler than one million sterling a par. The public would not grudge this outlay, if theft efforts were successful, but they had just reason to complain when they found that the money was spent with no other effect than that of increasing the horrors of the slave trade, and the amount of the slave trade itself. Our blockade of the coast of Africa had had little more than the result of driving the tracts into smaller vessels, which had better chance of escaping observation. Mere cutters now exported 200 or 300 negrees, and if but 50 or 60 of than reached their destination, the object of the slave trader was fully answered. The slave trade was to be put down by one prooem alone, that of rendering free labour as cheap as slave labour. The smuggling in men was suscep tible of precisely theme remedy as the smuggling in any other commodity. Let there be a free importation of slaves into our sugar growing colonies, let these slaves be then re deemed, and depend on it, that, while this free importation would at once put an end to the honors of the passage, the free labour introduced would very soon put an end to slavery altogether. Mr. HUTT entirely concurred in what had fallen from the hon. gent. opposite, and, while he cordially approved of the principles enunciated by the noble lord, he deeply re gretted to hear the noble lord adhering to a system which experience bad shown to be entirely futile. Mr. BORTHWICK, in reply, said his object had been to show that the means employed to put down the slave-trade actually aggravated its horrors. Let some effecual means be adopted, and they should have his support. It was ge nerally allowed that for one negro imported to the Brasile, four were sacrificed in some way or other. (Hear.) The vote was then agreed to, as was the next vote-23,0001. for the officers in the muted commission for preventing the traffic in slaves abroad. . . . . On the next vote-118,9701. for defraying the wet of the consular estahlietznentenbroad, . . Mr. WILLIAMS asked what occasion there was for a consul at Monte Video Viscount PALMERSTON said he was, in fact, only a clerk, with a salary of 1001. a year ; and hie duty was to keep the records of the correspon dence between the ambassa dor and consuls at other ports. The vote was then d to. On the next i 0001. for:defraying the charges of the British settlement at Jinni Kong, Sir G. STAUNTIO. rose, pursuant to notice, "to call the attention of thiiisbuse to the very strong, and altogether peculiar, claims of the family of the late Robert Thom, Esq., sometime consul at Ningpo hn China, and to the justice and expediency of making a suitable provision for them out of any sums that may be voted by this house for the China ser vice." The case had beer placed in his hands by the friends of the deceased ; and having, uesuccessfully, sought an in terview on the subject with the noble lord at the head of the foreign department, he felt it necessary to bring the matter before the house. Mr. Thom had gone out to China, some time before the war, in a mercantile capacity; hi:great abilities end intimate acquaintance with the language and manners of the Chinese had led to his appointment as inter preter to Sir H. Pottinger, in which capacity his services had been most valuable. Subsequently he was placed in an office of still higher trust as inspector of a dis trict of 100,000 inhabitants—in which he maintained the strictest neutrality. For his services in this office he was appointed consul at ?Tinge° ; but, having undermined his health by previous exertions, he died after holding the consulship only a year and a half. In a letter from Sir H. Pottinger, written a few days only before his departure for the Cape of Good Hope, he bore the most unqualified testimony to the devoted zeal of Mr. Thom. An application bad been suggested to her Majesty's private fund of 1,2001.; but he thought it desirable that the bounty should come from the proper source—the public revenue, inasmuch as Mr. Thome' services had been essentially of a public cha racter, and had eminently contributed to the conclusion of the beneficial treaty which had been entered into with China. He could not propose any amendment, but he hoped the house would express such an opinion as should induce the government to make a suitable provision for the family of Mr. Thom. Considering the delicate state of our relations with China at present, it was most important to show that there was a disposition to reward public services. Dr. BOWRINO concurred in the eulogiums that hadbeen passed upon Mr. Thom, than whom no one in China was more competent to dis charge the onerous duties which ho undertook. His intellectual acquirements were of the highest order ; and his conduct had invariably been marked by high principle. ViscountPALMEIISTON said the testimony given to Mr. Thom's abilities was not required to draw attention to his merits. But, the house baring established a new precedent with regard to pensions, he would remind them that this proposal would go . much further than it seemed to lead. There was no provision for the widows of gentlemen in the consular service ; end in this case he believed it was proposed to make an allowance to the mother and brother of the de ceased gentleman—a provision which was not made even in the case of officers in the army and navy. It would be impos sible for the house to accede to this propoeition, without establishing a precedent which must apply to the whole consular service ; and, painful as it was to him, he could not advise the house to comply with the wish of his hon. friend. Sir 0. STAUNTON said that he did not found this claim of Mr. Thom's on the ground of his being a consul. Mr. HUME thought a reward (or the great public ser vices of Mr. Thom would not be a precedent, and he en treated the noble lord to reconsider the claim of the children at least. . -.— Dr. BOWRING called the attention of the government to the incongruous nature of the government of Hoag Kong. The mode in which the revenue was raised was most objec tionable, as well as the manner in which the decrees of the government were issued. Mr. WILLIAMS thought that some explanation should be given of the expenses of this establishment which coat 59,0001., out of which 28,0001. was raised in the colony, luring a charge of 31,0001. on this country, and 253 per sons were employed, the greater part of whom could have no duties to perform. Mr. AGLIONBY urged the claims of Mr. Thom on the government Mr. HINDLEY also hoped the cue would be considered. Dr. BOWRLNGlthought some provision should be made to obtain efficient luminance in our relations with China, by the instruction of persons in the Chinese language for our diplomatic service in that country. Viscount PALMERSTON said there were arrangements in China for educating young men in the Chine*. language as interpreters, and he was quite sensible of the advantages of having persons in the diplomatic service instructed in the , Oriental languages. Mr. HUME complained of several persons being on the pension bet who had far less claim than the children of Mr. Thom ; among others, the daughters of a living painter— and Mr. Macalloek, wko held an office in addition to his pension. Mr. LABOUCHERE defended Sir Martin Shee against the attack of the hon. member for Montrcoe, Sir G. STAUNTON also bore testimony to the merits of Sir M. She.. Mr. B. OSBORNE said that the hon. member for Mon trose had made no attack on Sir M. Shoe, but was only com paring his claims with that of the children of Mr. Thom. Viscount PALMERSTON hoped the house would not continue this train of invidious comparison. If they thought Mr. Thom's family were deserving of a pension, let them discuss the question on its own merits. Mr. HINDLEY hoped the conversation would end by the government saying that the claim would*be considered. Lord J. MANNERS was understood to say, that a larger sum than 1,2001. should be appropriated to the purpose of rewards for public services of this nature. Mr. WILLIAMS again urged that there was no necessity for the present expensive establishment at Hong-Kong. He also complained of the expense of the consular establishment at a place where there was no trade. If it was intended to continue this expenditure, ho should divide the committee on the vote. _ _ . Mr. HAWES said, the whole of the question of the establishment of Hong-Kong wee under the consideration of a committee. There was not only some trade there, but an, increasing trade. He wu only waiting for the report to which he had alluded to take the whole subject into con. sideration. The following votes were then agreed to : 3,0001. for the widows of naval officers. 3,0001. to defray the expenses of the Refuge for the Desti tute. 11,000/. for the Polish refugee,. Mr. WILLIAMS said that ha should object to two next in the next vete, namely, 1,6961. for protestant dhwenting ministers, and 924 Its, to the Bishop of Cheater for the 'Speeds of protestant preachers in Lancashire; and he should more that tle vote, which was ter 6,772.5., be reduced to 1,13861. 18s. The dissenters repudiated this Tote, so opposed to the principle of soluntaryion, on which dissent was Afro a few words from Mr. TRILkWXY, Mr. AGLIONBY said he should like to know whit ralthe hon. member for Coventry had for saying tilt enters objected to this vote—there were no petitions against it. Dr. BOWRING said the great body of dissenters wire constantly protesting against receiving aid from the gat!, and they therefore could not conscientiously support the Tots Sir IL 11. INGLIS said the charge of 9U. Its. for the stipends of Protestant preachers in Lancashire was originally made by Queen Elizabeth for the endowment of two pr ett y; tent ministers, and it had been reduced from 2001. to the Fuent sum ; he hoped, therefore, that the hon. member for Coventry would not oppose it. After a few remarks from Mr. THORNZLY, Mr. PARKER said the grant of 1,6931. for protestant dissenting ministers had been allowed for 130 years p u t, having been first allowed by Geo. 1., in 1723; and it was divided in small sums, not exceeding si, amongst old and decayed dissenting ministers : no public money could be more usefully appropriated, and he hoped the vote w ou ld not, for the first time, in 1647, be re fused. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. MANNERS thought it could not be taken for granted that the dissenters objected to it, inasmuch as there was no petition before the house to prove it. Mr. HINDLEY concurred in the opinion that a great per tion of the dissenting body repudiated this grant altogether. It was quite inconsistent with their principles, and he thought, if it were to be continued, that the names of the recipients ought to be set forth in a report, that it might be known who were acting in opposition to the wishes of the body generally. Mr. WAKLEY likewise thought such a report ought to be furnished, although he regarded this portion of the vote more in the light of a charitable grant than an endowment. Mr. PARKER said that a paper would be presented to the house in a few days, explaining the principles upon which the grant was made, and contsiring the names of the nine dissenting ministers to whom it was distributed. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the vote agreed to. The following Totes were agreed to : 4,2861. for the Foundling Hospital ; 14,0261. for the House of Industry ; 1,000/. for the Female Orphan House ; 2,5001. for the Lech Hospital ; 1,000! . for the Lying-in Hospital ; 1,6001. for Dr. Simpson's Hospital ; 3,8001. for the Fever Hospital, Cork. street; 5001. for the Hospital of Incurables—all situated it the city of Dublin. On the Tote of 36,2141. for the support of the presby Wriers cleland, Mr. W ILLIAMSIL rgy objected to the Tote on the ground cf its being annually decreased, and much disapproved et by the dissenters at large. Mr. LABOUCHERE defended the Tote on the ground that the presbyterians of Ireland were a most deserving body, and that they would consider it an insult if this grant was now withdrawn, after having been voted fur so long a time. _ _ Mr. HUME said that on the same principle theright hon. gentleman ought to propose the endowment of the Roman catholic!. (Hear, hear.) Wu he prepared to do that? If that was done he would come to England and Scotland, and ask to have the same principle applied in these countries. Dr. BOWEING thought that they should act on some general principle. If they endowed one church they ought to endow all. He thought they ought to endow none. He hoped his hen, friend would divide the house. Mr. AGLIONBY thought that they ought to act on some uniform principle. Mr. WAKLEY said that the dissenters as a body had re pudiated endowment on the Mayoooth question and on the education question, and he did not see why this vote should be forced upon a body that repudiated endowment on ail °maims'. He should certainly divide the committee on the question. After a few words from Mr. GROG. N, The committee divided.—For the vote Against The vote was then agreed to, u were also the following: 7,2561. for the Concordat= fond. 3,400/. for the expenses of the commissioners of inquiry into the criminal law. . . 1,6001. for the expenses of the commissioners of inquiry into the criminal law of the Channel IlLuscls. The following votes were agreed to: 1,5001. for the commission on the criminal law. 33,000/. fora moiety of the charge for certain works ace fleeted with navigation and drainage in Ireland. 1,6621. far British ambassador's house in Paris. 60,0001. for steam the Red Sea. ;iiifmaliby way at — On thin vote, Mr. Hume, Mr. Aglionby, and Dr. Bowing urged the importance of establishing a system of uniform postage in regard to the communication with India. 16,0001. for the militia and volunteers in Canada. Mr. HUME contended that if these force' were necessary, the expense should be defrayed by the colony. Mr. HAWES remarked that the charge on this head had been materially reduced, and the force now maintained w employ . e4 in distriets and on a service which would be very prejudicial to the health of European troops, and in which, Europeantf troops were employed, the cost would be much greater. Mr. WILLIAMS said the force was employed as a sort of police, and the coat should be defrayed by the colony. 4,0001. for lighthouses at Newfoundland and the Cape of Good Hope. 7,7501. for rewards for services performed in the suppres sion of the slave trade on the coast of Africa. . . 50,0001. to complete ileatiiniliennry -- " - todefray the chug, for civil contingencies. On this vote being proposed, Mr. WILLIAMS complained that it included a large son for excursions of six bishops on board her Majesty's ships of war. One of these bishops was the Bishop of Jerusalem who bad under his charge only 27 protestants, the greater part of whom copiloted of himself and family. (Laughter.) He also com of sums expended on account of the King of the Belgian s and Ibrahim Puha, fur furniture at Whitehall chape , and for robes, collars, and badges of luaigkto. After a conversation the vote was agreed to. 144,3101. for militia of Great Britain and Inlaid agreed to. In answer to Mr. CHRISTOPHER, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that be intended to take the vote for the Argyle Canal, and tie remainder of the estimates on Monday next, The house then resumed. Committee to sit again • Monday. COMPENSATION FOR DAMAGES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for bringing up the report on this WE, Mr. HAMILTON objected to the bill as prolog Urn on the clergy of Ireland, in consequence of tie umpire of the ecc l esiastical tax. He moved the minks et lit word "Tithes." fThe hon. member's observations were interrupted by ino lig)ita suddenly going out and leaving the house in lid darknae. Much amusement wu created, but the swig was speedily remedied by the messengers.] Mr. MONAHAN opposed the amendment. The onions of the word " tithes' would lead to great uxorial* litigation. Mr. OROGAN expressed himself m favour of the um* meat. The house divided—For the amendment Against it. Tt e report was then received. The house adjoarned at twenty minutes put 1. Vie erproso. MAILS. Te• Woollens mono, dense Mom its Nod" Weenewl aJ the Meelink Ilia he meo w w the morelog des 17IE The web he Wile ONO% Lila. Maelm, *het lA° will to meow so Wa oreelog et de 17th July. The man lor Edna Sea Amorist, Bermuda, sad OM so deem% ea le am& up os Om owsbe of the 19th laly. woodimil mulls Fe 011wollsr, Malta, °Trees, the leilles% will , 41111•A‘40171Wheilliklimpiag, and Mu, vie Seeiban". Oa no* vim the meele Oleo WO AO. omoliet WNW mi. 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A discussion ensued da s instance of the Earl of RODEN in reference to tbe toad report of the commissioners for the relief of distissa Ireland; the other noble lords taking pact discussion, being the Marquis of LANSDOWSI. J 4 ". BROUGHAM, FITZWILLL&M, and MONTEAGLE. In on eH subject ousof of the Comm Wellington on safurther disc statr, awill sued the . J. RUSSELL Staling ho should obtain the o ati the Doke of Wellington on the subject , w should appear that the noble duke was desisr" — the statue should remain in its present peettaw l : the arch, such desire would be complied witk_.; the vote of supply for the contemplated Iwo= would be unnecessary.—Mr. SrOONER brOggbt ward his charge against Mr. Hume for bat threatened him with his intention of impagoial,w" conduct of his eon, a magistrate in India, sod wr.; name appeared in the ue-book, in common wz that of Mr. Hutt, the brother of the hon. merabor,!: Gateshead, as connected with the cue of the WE of Setters, and this in consequence of the wao