The Express. — London, England, 1851-06-21 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARL IAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Faim • i. Just 20. The Stu PR tOOk en chair at (OW O'CIOCk. IVATE BUSINESS. Loam' Away nnewre.—lidinburgh, Perth, and Dundee Railway Bill.— Agreed to. Ta ion RNA DIM/L—Cheltenham Improvement and Health ; Magneto Electric Telegraph Company ; Kingdom Electric Telegraph Company ; Bills. lIVADING.—Duchy of Lancaster (High Peak Mining Cadmus and Mineral Courts) Bill. Costurcrea. - 2 11 w Ocnmral Reversionary and Invest ment Company (imposition of Stamp Duty) Bill passed through committee. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. AOICCII L TPRAL DIATIALLS.—By Lord G. MANNERS, from Mahon, Leicestershire; by Mr. PACER, from L !ices ter ; reprosentina the distress of the agricultural interest, and praying for ,measures of relief. Unit enstrr TV:ITC—By Sir H. DAVIE, from Had dington and North B?rwick:, Mr. COWAN, from the pro vost, magistrates and council of Edinburgh ; in favour of the abolition of tests in the university. By Mr. FOR DYCE, from Aberdeen, in favour of the continuance of the tests. NATIONAL (111101) STATEN OP EDUCATION.—By Sir W. VERNER, from Armagh, against the national system of edwation in Ireland. 'ltem ov Knowtgnoe.—By Sir G. PECIIELL, from Brighton, against the taxes on knowledge. I. no AL 'fIUEATIL4.—IIy Mr. COBDEN, from the West Riding, in favour of international treaties and gene ral ellstrinaments. Tire Citerrnst.—By Mr. COBDEN, front a town in the Ve.t !tidiest, praying the house to adopt Cie principles of the shatter. Rens:. Poides.—By_ Sir J. PAKINGTON, from a board of guardians in Woreestershire, praying for me...tures' to improve the efficiency and lessen the cost of the rural . LW Al. RAT/A.—By Sir H. II ALFORD, from Board of Guardians of Bateman Union, Leicestershire, complain ing at novo pressure of local rates ' condemning th e law (.4.m:intent and distrind its repeal, setting forth a plan fur the purpose, anal praying the house to adopt measures in oni , r to their relief, and Justice to all Limits of the com munity. NEW WRIT. Oe the motion of Sir Dr L. Evaaa a new writ war or. den d for the return o: a member to serve for the borough of Cireenwieli, in the room of Mr. B. fr. Barnard, deceased. 111 E MAItYLEBONE RECTORY. Sir B. lIAI.I. inquired what COUTIC the government in. tended taking with the bill, notice of which had been given, with impel to the Marylebont Rectory ? Mr. O. C. I.V.WIS had found that the hill would have to be dealt with ►s a twinge and not as a public bill. BRITISH GUIANA. Sir J. PAKINGTON asked why the report of the com mis ,on sent out to inquire into the tradition and prospects 4.f lb. i.► Guiana LUI not been laid on the table of the hon. • Mr. HAWES replied that the report had been received by the Culosisl-ofUe too or three months ago, but that it had neser bees Nerved for in the house. It mould only be 1.401 so the table along with other paper'. It would be pro dans' if it was •bougßht desirable. Ills MERCANTILE MARINE ACT. Mr. WAWN risked when the Pre-ident of the Board of Trade would lay on the t Abbe the contemplated ameuilments of the Mereintile Marine Act? Mr. LABOUCIIMAK —la a few days. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASsUMPTION BILL. Toe ord, r of the day was read, and the house resolved its. into committee (progress) on the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumptim. 11111. The CHAIRMAN stated that the question was that Clause 2 should stand part of the bill. Mr. II 110011 (who had three amendments on the paper) stated that he had received an intimation that the noble lord the first minister had espressed to sup. illsposition to. _, poet — me - of the sowowsimests of weskit he (Mr. Krogh) had sista notice ; and, under time eireumstunces, he would withdraw the whole of them, and bring up that which the noble lord accepted at a later stage of the bill. Mr. MONSELL then rase to move the proviso "of be hail giVen notice --to insert the following at the end ul the 2nil clause: Provided always, that nothing in this ail contained shall be construed to interfere with, or in any in inner to restrict. the free action of the Itoman catholic church in the United Kingdom in matters of a spiritual nature.'• The hon. gentleman and that his object in moving this was simply to give an unubjectiunable gua rantee, and to promote, as far as possible, peace and con cord, in reference to this measure, in and out of the house. fie was sure that the noble bird at the head of the govern ment could nut consistently reject this suggestion ; and he was in hopes that it would be fairly considered, and that it would receive the general approval of the house. It might be acrid, in opposition to the amendment, that the tan genre in which it was worded w was too vague to render - ..... . it at all it __ uAlivv, inasmuch as it was a very difficult thing U. draw %hi. distinction between opiritual " and "tem poral" matters. That might be quite true; but who iv .- amendment he - to deride ? Ily this amenliMel. ..- propose il to leave the derision mainly to the civil courts—the only proper tri bunal. This WWI a fair, equitable, and really unob jectionable amendment, and, proffering it in a spirit of con ciliation. he did'hope that it would not he rejected. 'f ho sOl.leefolleGliNEßAL would be extremely sorry ii it were summits' for one moment that the go vernment was dig - awed to refuse any anienilmeut of this bill bieli rook! fairly and reasonably he demanded for the purpose which the boa. gentleman had in view. But the committee would recollect that this was not the first time during thew discussions that an amendment of this hind had CorThs brought forward. The hon. member him w, If had proposed a very similar ans, nilment early in tha romindtee. An amendment to the 2.102 C effect had been, on another invasion, brought forward by a noble lord (the ul of Arundel and Surrey); and again by another member ; taken ^'— " nee, 111 discussions had _ plane on these amendments, and dm decisions of the committee had apparently been regarded by the majority u satisfactory. It had been amply proved that there were really no purely spiritual functions of the Roman catholic church with which this bill could by any possibility interfere The hon. member had not ven tured to point to any one spiritual function which the bill would attack. It had certainly been suggested by one gen tleman that the bill would indirectly touch upon ardina tion, and that in interfering with ordination it would inter fere with marriages. But no authorities had been cited, no este h.ul hen sutra, and no reasons whatever had been offered why the house should agree to such an amendment as this. It bad been clearly established that the functions of a b` in no way depended his title from a . a bishop eese, hut that the functions of a bishop depended upon his ton' oration. Everybody knew--and be s a id this with out the sliahtoat intention of wounding the feelings of any Roman catholic—that the interpretation of the word "spiritual," and of the wonls " spiritual jurisdiction," awl " apiritaal (anyhow" was widely different in the Roman catholic church from the interpretation which was put upon such wont in any other church. The Roman catholic chureh gave to the word "spiritual" a far wider %cope than any other church. In the " spiritual" the Roman catholic church implied numerous other functions which other churches supposed to be essentially temporal. An amendment like this, therefore, would be productive of doubt and confusion in the reading of the art, and was, in every respect, undesirable. There was this remarkable fact in cooneition with this question, a fact which he bad gathered front the Catholic DinvMry—that of the total numb., of the bishops of the Kinston catholic church, a biro, proportion, nearly one third, were bishops deriving their titles only from titular secs. After the full discussion which this point had undergone, he hoped that the hoc. gentleman would not prey his amendment. A het a fen words from Mr. Mottartt., Mr. SOU LI.Y said that if the bill paned in its present shape, and without some such alteration as that proposed by hi. hon. (rend the member fur Limerick, it would pre vent justice being done to the second order of the catholic clergy, and would alas prevent the removal of that evil so much complained of by catholic, in this country, the direct interference of the Popo with the wy, est-rein-de. _ _.e ekirgy - ..... .... _.. hear.) - any English %. _.. county ire.- .. operation. con _ _ .. eigreuL the agency of the violin-apostolic. Mile could jus i tee lu e gs r — e. s ag e s s :f i bs b oa . mug ' ,s o gnaw *Melba enh i s ar rales el the house dadirei not to tended, however, that on this question numbers ought to done to the wand order of the clergy if the Hoban catholic ma alms a m id as s =and to w a w a .. W. be *fir IS • 6111111, 01111101ien Nei *NO ; and he be considered. Even William the Third directed, prior to bishops were not allowed to hold synod. and make male- newer wn , then the w e d w y neow s ha y this thaehee sheell deign be would not selemit that his the surrender of Limerick, that the catholics should be time, which could sot be made without them ? With- bill ; they did net mit he irloiroce of the . and hon. Mead thesil be eelled to order for merely evading the allowed to enjoy all the rights and privileges which they out such a clause as that now proposal this t h at the' case was an sae, put forward by the rules of Er beam s pmEimiatiy when he cast his reeollec. possessed in the reign of King Charles. The hon. an d bill would put down the moral power of the catholic fi e hth e : bee ti e geg e , They onenewanat ) h a d dealt w i t h ties bilk • few mast weeks, and thought of what had learned member for Youghal (Mr. Antes) had spoken e piiieopeey. the esienng ewes It tam elk wain the bet few years been midi by the bra wombs for Surrey himself. (" Hear, of his communion with catholic'. if the honourable Mr SADLIGR stemma big regret that the government t h a t th e s ee bows beg sommod dim tuts : h e boot," 11•• cheers Hem His Irish members.) and learned member meant religious communion bad not acquiesced in the prinitple, at least, of the amend- se id . b eleme t a i le d u sey gig as a mama Lard I. RUSSELL-11s ally question is as to whether he (Mr. Reynolds) denied that he had any com wilt- The °bin' , atimillmendolesse waste preveuensture liti- them. Wee web a: 4 W At the mess thee, it the ben. member for East limmey is or is not out of order. munion with him (Mr. Reynolds) ; his meandenngs had gatiou of a meet ••••••IS and adaddrreas Amstar. So far sta , we e n y l e d o bid 's ., go.. eased (Hear, hear.) The boa. member for Galway (Mr. divorced him from all connexion with him. (Great laughter.) two the ameadment eendleing tbe bill obecure, it was then , la --- -- Its aim an man *a dim was any Grptaberty) has not in any way shown that be is. (Hear, The catholic/ who sent him to that house had disavowed calculated to oyes y the obscurity of the bill itself other t a a s tuba imp s . w h o sesesee l su s tade of hear.) What the hon. member for Surrey has said may be him publicly; the protestants of Youghal had also disowned as regarded a meet dalfaate and important question, and hin en c u e s theas @Ma astablished church of Heglead ttatravartedi but he ha° net bleu Proved disorderly. him. lie (Mr. Reynolds) gave him notice that he would the pawing of the imesembeent would show that the govern. en d Ireland. (Hear, hear.) not be re elected ; he had been "weighed in the balance meat really had no desire to interfere with the spiritual 4 Mr. OSWALD all Ibe right hon. genttsioes aired Mr. SADLEIR—But the chairmen called the hon. mem- and found wanting." The hon. and learned member had functions of the Room cathodic bishop.. By the establish- that the bishop in Sesibed had no right to mem Iwo ber for Galway to order before he had laid anything. (Cries referred to a paper which he said was addressed to the sent of a hierarchy In this count 7 in place of the vicars premier peer or England. No man had greater respect for titles, and that was Mew He else Slid they bid e_ragy as. of " Order," chair," and "oh !") apostolic, the Roma artholies gained an independent Lai. samed them within the hat few years, but the fast was Mr. O'FLAHERTY begged to amaze the noble lord the high station of that nobleman than he had ; but he was tans in this country se regarded the Pope of Rome, w 'eh had used ters i tee s i d bu n eyes sines 1727 . (Lord J. Russell), as alas the as.. ms .be, far Surrey, that not to be bound by any of his acts, much less by an anonymous they could nut otherwise enjoy. He confessed that he, for err. GLADSTONE said it w as _ perfectly true the W the expression he had amid be we to stand by. requisition to him. The hon. and learned gentleman showed one, was not pre4to surrender that advantage. It was leya had se sad he did no t point out thedism: (" Oh, oh," ad asetrisa.) He he bad used no little gratitude to the Holy Father, who had not only received imiiesaible, he for an Roman catholic in this eies ,,, ee iii cell to edy. but thee were expression la amtmaatian of the lies Of Mk/ of that him into the church, but had conferred on him a political country sot Ile ' by the substitutio• ef Laii4aCialf t ! eadelimi evilest s!i n vil and religious liby, house. (" Oh, eh," mad " Chair.") Had b. gm so. he haiAthood ihe was a knight of the order of St. Gregory of , bishop' for vl ame agareelle, who ho made bold to 1 hte )He showed his ' withoat raj& MOM season for it. He wanted to would be ready to apologise; but he would net remit the a. Brazen Spur. (Great laughter.) r. c grat i . say ware nothing MIA Ss to of the court of Rase. I„, oweau moms . m u h a d j es t as much right u hon. member for S le emote nnanthseised apreedese lade to the Pope byeallitte him a tyrant, and to the English 14 84 ted ths would pause before they aa , bib* to room Weis were to be precluded without observing esa erred esabsism.) whelks, to whose zeal it was to be presumed he was in- , ► loth is form and in spirit, dbe fan as ei ne The CHAIRMAN wield to whet IMP peat of or- debted for his conversion, by denying their allegiance. He amninsit ela Vinsea. hint If the real object o the m s , gpxyllOLDS, ipso this clause as an map . der was to which the bas. member rose? (Mr. Reynolds) threw back such calumnies. The catholic premises was aft to beak the action of the BUM th a w. dam, vet to it ; but, if a division Mr. O'FLAIIINTY—I complain of the'hon. pegbearm's peers, merchants, and traders of this country had rallied and had signed a document declari ng WWII redlden ha met= spiritual , it was of the bit ha- ,a s utis i bs ..year be sessgg Mt vote at all, as it s h ou ld quoting extremism purporting to he the Ammo/. elm. round the cardinal, =daft_dray *NM express their wishes sod gadgets totem b e saaransha that b a seam gees.y pa rt of t hi s members &Hi law& (" No, no," from Mr . Diammasad.) their approval of his conduct ; and was he, then, to be told art semis time. we . Tam d ams b e agiftead we s e we g ane w i t h t h e . W i ell be.n , it meeedl isea verLlilt sive e it. If = lf thor the ity l, the mmahar impromisa bed sy by m an pa e thi xt d c w lik ith e the m, : ? ( ( p (3re in a ting t fau to gh M ter r. .) ATretebt flat they Mr. J . croominux thou ht Nei the amble Mud at the ......a ass" who *As add 41 = 0 . 1 . 1 . bed .a elilwelammesst was to adopt this man& The time was dna te s eiblea. decidedly would be fhb ha was voting the ayhdons of for East Surrey (Mr. H.Druramond) bad as usual walked into nest el ems Moder hem of wends by the signentins Mr. 8. CRA tin gessesgsg is useosbo de ws hon. gentians's. mendsees enlist bees& (No, as) There- the house with his pockets full of musty documents, and *AM bs beg pot la b ar s „ NA m aii the thaws of which be bid o h m m i.. an * ii am Eij i aill d u b fore , I wanted him le meat the desenent Hem which he had read one which turned out to be a quotation from a at the lair tbe sad la which them was a ail =lea le beirbd. es 6 INN ill di At quo t ed , . I, that the Efeltia 210,1 he stared up. , newspaper called the Catholic Vindicator, published, he MOM to tha to Web the Adams o f the mime. be Om IMO a . DIE4RAB the MN was very elergie. The supposed, Ulna the Tweed. He begged to assure that ef lee m ai m , The Niumeest - any alt se As I w o a = hon. member for Galway seems& the boa. bomber for hon. member that in the event of the - I ° ope and his troops veil mold net be maybe net that !is sa g ib e — s tlii Surrey had made an assertion net santained__ by anthority, invading this country the catholic' of England and of be did nod glee same olth ledifeerd re thae l =t a ss i tssw ile The of Dr. Whebeere Plinceal which was decidedly not e isali, bat allowed of an an- land would meet him in the battle-field. (Irnaical Wolk& int bailee the empreadsss is 6 0 ma i wi n k = S u m in bis IMa oils. a hf, sag sea. ewer. (Hear, hear.) H (Mr. Disraeli ) did not mean to laughter.) Notwithstanding the laugh—he would sot =bed bed seer and we gels br i te ngus eeps getung *d a m b a s ins as s. a dos s a i l = gm passel say that the hon. member for Surrey had made an indiscreet say ths insolent seer — of the hon. and herbed A loe. usathasi balm; sad amen k wee hid d o s th a t amerties, but he certainly did not make a disorderly one. m it e s in dmad ber vaul ter for Youg uie bal cia j i ts on princirepeatepied, brit caring little t bed Ihmt be lisi se ••.• el follilliddi with Ks* ldififbal Smiles Ind waft Esehlbe gambled Ow wbethbolled rap Caw, beer& Jubiant. lb essantielse sea sew elm* gone Homo wisk Days, a m. ~.a i ma m amiss, of a. g ee Mr. REYNOLDS thought it only fair and nameable whether it was carried or not. W MD, and net it weld hid bun hoed la * fhb seal wa w a . b a g swami / a Em ma „hi m as to w h e th er that whatever an hon. sandman read from • document, he After a few words from Ids. ANSTIT and Mr. J. O'Cow be said to amid ill samas. Aug A. si n e w s lassoseami th e la midi ink is /mina aa aag. ima i eiste l y th e y should quote that doconseat, in order that the 'owes hem nun, THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 21, 1851 Roman eatholies should rem nn intact. He appealed to the noble lord whether ho would not do something of the kind. Lord BERNARD remarked that the amendment, if carried, would legalise the very sets which it was intended by the bill to put down. Col. RAWDON said that the proviso had been brouggt forward simply to provide ag.iinst the operation of the bill • " It appeared there was a doubt ought not to leave a question of such magnitude in doubt. The only argliment in favour of extending the bill to Ireland was that the English and Irish prot.ntant established churches were identical. Now it was certainly true that in the act of Union they were said to be united, but had they been treated as one ? On the cor.trary, t.n of the Irish secs had been a►olish:d, and a fourth of the tithes colitis ' cated, whereas nothing of the kind had been done with in matters pier:4 as to the construction of the bill in that respect; and ha thought that it was the duty of the committee, in such • case, to give the benefit of the doubt to the party legislated for, and to construe it in a liberal spirit. (Hear, hear) If they took that view, then they would adopt the proviso, to wilt& he should give his assent. Lord J. RUSSELL said his impression was that the pro. posal contained in the proviso had been already decided In the house. (Hear, hear.) And he referred the house to the motion, on a former occasion, by the noble lord the member for Arundel, in whiclifthey would find the same proposition, that nothing in the bill should interfere with spiritual fano- lions. It appeared to him clear that the introduction of the words proposed by the kon. member for Limerick would only lead to dispute and angry feeling. Such a proviso, it appeared to him, ought not to be inserted in au act of par liament, for the effect would be to leave to the judgment of a jury that very ambiguous question—" What is spiritual and what is temporal ?" (Hear, hear.)" The committee then divided, and the numbers were— For the amendment 42 Against it Colonel SIBTHORP then rose to move two amendments which he had placed upon the paper. The first was to be added to the end of the second clause, and was,to the effect that any offender against the act who had been fined 5001., should be further imprisoned until the said sum should have been paid, and that after the payment he should be banished from the United Kingdom during the pe vied of his natural life. The second amendment was As Introduction of a clause to the aka, that if wry Secretary of State, or high officer of the crown, or any person holding any confidential appointment in the government, should after the commencement lief the act permit, sanction, or in any manner encourage , directly or indirectly, any such assumption of titles pro vided against in the act, every person so offending should be finest 5001, imprisoned until the fine was paid, and thereafter rendered incapable of holding any office, place, or employment in her Majesty's service. The hon. and gallant member expressed the hope that he should have the support of those sixty-three honest members who had, en a former occasion, evinced their strong attach ment to their sovereign and to the protestant religion. Ile had felt it his duty to introduce this clause ; but, hav ing thus expnised his opinion, he would not further take up the time of the committee by asking them to divide on his amendment. After a few words from Mr. :Honor, The CHAIRMAN asked if Col. Sibthorp withdrew his amendment. Col. SIBTHORP replied in the affirmative. The CHAIRMAN.—Then the question will be " that the clause stand part of the bill." Mr. REYNOLDS despaired of the government taking any of the poison out of the bill, after they had rejected the amendment of the hon. member (Mr. Mansell). The honourable member hail asked the committee to leave the Roman catholic church the exercise of freedom in spiritual matters, and the noble lord, having a majority of 160 to 42, rejected the pro viso. Now, seeing that the noble lord had rejected it, he was surprised that he had not invited the hon. and gallant member to persevere with his amendment, fur with what consistency could the noble lord reject the one and refuse to adopt the °the r ? (Hear ' hear.) Ile warned the government that by pushing forward this bill they were westing discord among the Queen's subjects, and rendering the government of the country more difficult and expen sive. (Hear. hear.) Dr. POWER. referred to the conflicting opinions which had been expressed as to the effecta of the bin, and con tended that, seeing the existence of such doubts, the noble lard was hound to have remodelled the measure. He thought that in the midst of so much doubt, their best course would he to refer the bill to a select committee, in order that it respect to the English church In fact them had been no fewer than 20 acts of parliament since the period of the Union in which the two churches were treated as distinct. As a British representative, who was desirous of econo mising the resources of the nation, he must protest against the application of the bill to Inland, inasmuch a., it would render it impossible to reduce the army, and so to lighten the burdens of taxation. (Hear, hear.) The SOLICITOR-GENERAL considered that to ad mit the clause would be to render the bill open to the 'barge of inconsistency, which had been vs often, but not very fairly brought against the promoters of the bill. The principle upon which it bad been framed was that the lawful prerogative of the crown was invaded if a foreign power should assume the right to create dignities, authori , ties, and jurisdictions, such as had been attempted to be created by the papal lull or rescript with reference to the archbishopric of Westminster. Not only was that act of the Pope an offence against the royal prerogative, but it was an infraction of that arrangement which was come to in 1829, and with which all parties expressed themselves perfectly satisfied. That act strictly prohibited the taking of the titles of any sees already existing ; and no one would venture to say that its spirit had not been infringed by the recent aggression. Now, the object of the bill was simply to prevent the evasion of the act of 18'29; and, as that act had a principal reference to Ireland, it would be absurd to place in the present bill a clause ex empting Ireland from its operation. In fact, were they to do so, it would he to declare either that the royal preroga tive did not extend to Ireland, or that it might be with im punity insulted in that country. On this point he had been greatly misrepresented. All that he had ar gued on a previous occasion was that to declare what was the law, either by reciting it in the pream ble, or by a declaratory clause, in reference to this particular act of the Pope did not render the laws relating to Ireland less strong than they were before ; and the committee was aware that the statute of Richard and the law of Elizabeth (or at least one equally stringent) applied as much to that country as to this. It this bill had the least reference to spirituals, then they might with some show of reason argue for the exemption of Ireland. Aud yet, if it really interfered even in the slightest degree with the exercise of the Roman catholic religion, and if it was unjust to a large body it would be equally unjust to a small ; end he should have equally opposed its extension to England, or even to Scotland. There was no foundation on which the bill could be rested which was not equally applicable to both countries. Mr. E. B. ROCHE was of opinion that the bill, as it stood, was an extension of the restrictive provisions of the Emancipation Act. A distinction ought to be drawn be tween the spirit in which that act was passed, and the spir it in which it was accepted by the Roman catholic' in Ire land, and carried out there by the representatives of the government. Ho denied that that had been anything like the apiiit of the measure now proposed. If the assumption of these titles was an insult to the Queen by the parties assuming them, was not the insult as great on the part of those who gave and ac knowledged these titles This had been done, not only by the Irish government officers, but by imperial acts of par liament. The legislature had, in fact, carried out the Emancipation Act in a more liberal spirit than that in which it had been passed. Taking it fur granted that the assumption of territorial titles was deemed necessary by the Roman catholic bishops for the discharge of their spiritual functions, was it not evident that this bill was an act of pains and penalties when it prevented them assuming the titles of secs not hitherto occupied, and so fur went beyond I the Emancipation Act ? To extend this bill to Ireland was a great political blunder. Anxious to sec Ireland peace able and tranquil for years to come, he could not but ex press his conviction that it was perfect madness to extend the bill to that country. In saying so, he by no mean- Eugland. might be into a consistent shape. By doing this they would satisfy the people of Ireland, and give them some evidence that they did not wish to interfere with their minden% liberties. The committee then divided on the question " That the clause stand part of the bill " : Ayes l5O Noes 34-115 On Clause 3, Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD rose to propose an amendment. The bill did not exempt the Scotch church from the allegation in the preamble, " That the attempt to establish under cover or authority of the see of Rome," any power or jurisdiction in this country " is and void." Although an exception was made in one et the clauses in favour of the church in Scotland, it still remained under the proscription of the declaratory clause. Now it appeared to him that this bill, under the pretence of resisting papal, aggression, was an aggression on all voluntary episcopal churches. No voluntary episcopal could exist " - under bill threw overboard the Roman eithulics of lie had done all in his power to relax their chains; but the injustice was aggravated by extending the measure to the lister country Mr. G. H. CAVENDISH, believing the people of England to be truly attached to the protestant religion, and utterly to repudiate the notion of any foreign potentate having jurisdiction in this realm, thought that the legislature was bound to give effect to that feeling as far as possible, at least in this country; but with regard to Ireland the ease was different. Despite the determined and systematic at tempts to plant proteotantism there since the time of Cromwell, there had been no conversions to any extent among the native Irish, with whom the descendants of the original protestant settlers had never amalgamated. The protestant church, though established and en dowed, had never taken root there. It was, there useless to think of legislating for Ireland on the same principles as for this country. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. J. CLAY and Mr. LAWLESS, the without being . liable to the pains and penalties prescribed. The bill wan i n effect really to establish the arrogant claim of superiority of the established church over churches, a- . • ' • ' ' )Ir. H. DICUMMOND said the quition at present before the house was, whether the provisions of the bill should or should not extend to Inland. An important con- Adoration had been referred to, namely, the subsidence of That • -- would subside ; it - , and he would, therefore, resist this bill because it was an aggression on the voluntary principle. The hon. member concluded by moving the amendment of which he had given notice—" To expunge all the words in the third clause after the word .place in line 2, page 3, and to insert the following words, use d as the designation of office in such church, or to the assumption or use of the title of archbishop, bishop, or dean, taken by say pence solely as the designation of his office, for the grosammi of any voluntary church according to its rules sal and not claiming or assuming to have by law in respect such title - iu!isilictian, authority or pre-eminence is agitation. agitation never _ ~.made; it never could subside, because the aggremion was on the part of the Roman catholic church, backed by ' all the members of that creed, who were deter. mined to bring the people of England —es they declared—back from their present state of heathenism to their own purer condition and belief. A doren times at least the word " aggression " had been flung is the teeth of hon. members who supported the bill, whilst hon. gentlemen who opposed the measure referred to their loyalty, as also to the loyalty of those whom they repre sentcd. (Hear, hear.) Now, here was a specimen of Acid.amen - any the United Kingdom.' " Sir O. OREY said if the hon. gentleman anal emfg Oa preserve the right of the Roman catholic arnaltbags bishops to use the word archbishop or Walla% ISM NO -- that there was in this beta ew-- Reman catholic loyalty. (Here the hon. —. pro , eeeded to quote as follows from a nameless document) : We acknowledge a divided loyalty to the sovereign pontiff, and perish the crown' and princes who repu diate it." (Loud cries of " No, no," and " Name, name," Was, n ~.a.l nt them, but if he meant to say th c4 a h t u ttey mut' 11 take Vh e lle of archbishop or bishop of a diocese, the title being from some city or place in the UnitetelLingdom, though he might not by law claim any jurisdiction thereby, that would neutralise the whole of the bill. The committee then divided: For the amendment Against it llB-86 Tho Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY said he did not object to this chase, but one of the principal causes for the introduction of the bill was an assumed attack on the supra mac,' of the crown. The episcopal church in Scotland stood in precisely the same relation to the crown as did the catho lic in England, with the solitary difference that the head of the catholic church - • - • and , from the member .) lie would not give the name. itnit.) Here was more of the same: "We respeetthe au of the vicar of Christ more than that of a musty act of t. (" Hear, hear," from the Irish members.) t i l i da mma ir divided allegiance ? Nothing of the kind. We moklor our allegiance is due to the Homan throne first of mad secondly, lam infinitely lower sense to mere mitly states and proommouts. .AU the spiritual exceeds ▪ temporal in impolsoso, so does our loyalty to the holy sss tomossi tint is Is lay minor authority. 01PLAJIMIldif ism to order. (Oh, oh.) The hon. bids mod style, and kindly feeling towards C il ar ell embeus of As Roman catholic persuasion, had quoted !WWII p_ar s amilis, which would appear to him (Mr. 0" - as if by some honourable gentleman. out church was • foreigner; he (the Earl of Arundel) maintained that the episcopal church in Scot land had no more right to say they would have bishops of their church with territorial titles than the catholics of England had. Sir G. GREY remarked that the Scotch bishops stood on a totally different footing. inasmuch as they did not hold their oMm from the appointment of a foreign power. There was asthiag is this clause, however, which gave them a right la swans these titles. The right had been desired by the Court of Station in Scotland, and this clause left them just as they were before. Mr. GLADSTONE said he agreed with the right hon. baronet that there was a distinction between bishops hold ing office by foreign authority, and those who did not so hold it. Bat the question which he wished to put to her Majesty's at was of a diferent description. He wanted to Imaw why this clause was not to extend to other bishops who might choose to hold territorial titles, but might not hold than =der the authority of a foreign power. Per haps the answer would be, that *ere were no such bishops, But them might he. Them wise NMI persona in Scotland profess/Ng to be who were dissatisfied with ' the arreasemswts of the eoYh mad who had takes steps le ebtela the appelahmeat a bishop of their own. Why s hould theylse pormilsi himadoing this ? Then why should not the Wesleyan", If they those, call their superintendents of circuits bishops with territorial titles. The CHAIRMAN was putting the dame, when Mr. GLADSTONE said he bop* there would be some aaswer to his J'Flaheity) of spoken However, he found the honiurable gentleman was readi from a newspaper the name of which he (Mr. O'Flaherty ) bed sever beard. It was anything but fair ; and if t he sobs of the house admitted of the expression, he would say it WU anything but honourable of the honourable gentle ness Seib so. Oh, oh," and "Order .") He was not to W&m fed orn. (" Oh, oh," and clamour.) Tim CHAIR MAN—The honourable member has let limp an expression that " be is not to be put down." I hope be does not address that to the chair. (" Hear, hear," *teen and clamour.) Sir R. H. INOLIS thought the honourable gentleman (Mr. O'Flaherty) was bound to specify the particular in stance in which the hon. member for Surrey (Mr. Drum. mond‘ had violated the order; of the house. (Hear, hear.) But he had not done so; he had not stated where or how the bon. member for Surrey had violated either the rule' et the house or of good taste or feeling. (Hear, bear.) M. KEOGH said the hon. member for Galway (Mr. 07Mherty) had been called to order by the hon. baronet who had last addressed the house. He wished to know hew his bon. friend had violated order. (Hear, hear.) His honourable friend had merely said that, if the rules of the house permitted, he would say the conduct of the hon. member for Surrey (Mr. Drummond) was anything but honourable. (Hear, hear.) Now every hon. gentleman was aware that that was an evasive expression, and that these evasive expressions were used with a view that the rules of the house should not be violated. - hear.) He had heard • much whence his authority c:nanated might be known. (Hear.) Mr. CAMPBELL rose, but the impatience of the house lie (Mr. Reynolds) really thought the hon. gentleman was y fur the division prevented his being heard. After quoting frost an authentic document. (Cries of " Order," i attempting in vain to raise his voice above the cries awl Chair," with loud confusion.) of "-Divide " " Question," " Oh, oh," dm., which came The CHAIRMAN interposed. It was competent to the , from all pails of the house, the honourable member hon. gentleman to speak to older; but be (the Chairman) 'at length moved that the chairman report progress. could not see where the hon. member for Surrey was out of This attempt to force attention was met by loud order. (Cries of ''Hear, hear," and " Drummond.") cheers from the Irish members, and laughter from DRUM ,then other the interruption, however, continuing, . _ Mr. DILUMMOND resumed. The lion. Member for Derby (Mr. Cavendish), had referred much to the loy alty of the Roman catholics ; and the hon. gentleman who followed him made such large demands for credit to he given to the loyalty of the people of Ireland at the present moment, that he (Mr. Drummond) could not avoid reading the document, when he recollected having it in his pocket. (A laugh.) lie had other documents also. (Ironical cries of " read from the Irish members.) They were from the Tabkt, the organ of " Dear Lucas.' (Laughter, and cries of "read.") No, ho would not read, ho had not time just then. (Laughter.) But he was go ing to speak to the point at issue. (Beat, hear.) Believing that the question would not end there, he consi dered it was of importance that they should not irritate, or unnecessarily inflict annoyance. What had been done in the way of aggression was not done by Ireland. (Hear, heir.) When the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) introduces{ the present measure to the house he satisfied neither party. However, the noble lord justified himself by saying he would du what he conceived to be necessary and no more. (Ikar, hear.) The aggression had been confined to this country, no charge could be made against Ireland ; and, therefore, he did not think Ireland should be included in the measure of repression introduced by her Majesty's mi nisters. (Ilear, hear.) Mr. ANSTEY observed that the bull of the Pope to establish or continue a hierarchy in Ireland in the present state of the law—regard being hail to the provisions of the act of 1829—was perfectly legal ; but the bull issued by the same authority for establishing or maintaining ' a hierarchy in England was illegal. Such appeared to him to be the present position of affairs. (Hear, hear.) Tho act of the Pope was an aggression on the rights of the Roman catholics of England and on the subjects of her Majesty. It was on this ground that the noble lord founded the bill ; but he said at the sane time that it would be Clj jectionable to legislate beyond the necessity of the occasion, and the mischief it was intended to rearms. But the noble lord was not true to that principle when he extended ' the measure to Ireland. ()tear, hear.) 'rho Roman catholics of Ireland were always ready to de fend their rights and liberties when they were invaded, but that was not the case with the Roman catholic' of England. In the year 1315, when an attempt was made by the Pope in conjunction with the English government to impose a new form of ecclesiastical government in Ireland, it was opposed by the priests and laity of the country, and a resolution was drawn up by Mr. O'Connell, in which it was declared that anything affecting their rights as members of a free state would be considered by them as nou-obligatory upon their conscience. Two months after, the Sacred Propaganda withdrew altogether from the attempt. But the English Roman catholics had not shown equal zeal in defending their independence against the act of the Pope and Cardinal Wiseman. On the contrary, they hail come forward in too many instances to adopt it, and in no instance hail they comp forward to dis avow it. (Hear, hear.) As a proof of that, he might men tion that an address to the Duke of Norfolk, calling upon him to convene a meeting for the purpose of considering the effect of the Pope's act on the civil rights of the Roman catholics, was drawn up by a Roman catholic of high posi tion in this country, and was circulated for signatures amongst Roman catholics who were opposed to the papal ri script, but not more than ten persons could be got to sign it. (" dicer, hear" from the Roman catholic members.) Yet those hon. gentlemen who cheered could not but lie aware that a,noagst their own circles there were many Ito niaa catholies who disapproved of the act. Those who signed the address to Cardinal Wiseman did so rather to mark their condemnation of the scurrilous abuse which had been heaped upon their religion and priests both at public meetings and in the public prints of this country, than to sianify their approval of his act. (" No, no.") That was a matter of notoriety amongst Boman catholics, quarters, and after several ineffectual appeals for silence the hon. member proceeded to contend amid the noise that the 24th gelation of the act of 1829, implied a local recognition of certain titles in Ireland by their not being prohibited. The papal power had attempted to disturb the arrange ment then made so far as this country was concerned — parliament was endeavouring to meet the aggression, and the question was whether it should simply resist the aggres sion or inflict a grievance ? The one it was necessary to do, the other it was not. By including Ireland in the opera tion of the bill it would be less effective as regarded Eng land. Was it worth while to disappoint the expectations of the people, and to renew religious animosities between Ireland and this country, and that without the prospect of restraining those assumptions which had arisen out of the act, he had adverted to, and which if they continued would make the act of 1829, so far as Ireland was concerned incapable and frivolous. Was it just to Ireland, or to Lord Clarendon, to perse vere with the measure ? (Laughter.) The hoe. member proceeded at some further length to address the house ; but amidst so much of interruption and laughter, that very few connected sentences reached the gallery. The committee divided : For the clause GO Against it 25-5-195 Sir R. INGLIS rose to move the clause of which he had given notice. Mr. KEOGH entreated the hon. baronet not to persevere with the proposition at that hour (half-past 11). Sir It. INOLIS could not tweed° to the suggestion. The hon. baronet, who amidst the noise of the house, was im fettle heard, described the clause, which was declaratory to the general effect that the Queen is the fountain of all honour, that titles cannot be conferred by foreign princes upon the subjects of her Majesty with out her Majesty's sanction, and with respect to the church, that the rank, precedence, and titles of the established church "cannot be imparted to the bishops of any communion not so established ;" and then enacted that " it is and shall not be deemed lawful for any minister or servant of the crown in the United Kingdom, to give or allow any rank or precedence, or to use in any public, legal, or official document, any prefix of title or appellation of honour in respect to any ecclesiastical order or dignity in the church of Rome." There had been fervent protesta tions of loyalty from Roman catholic., but did they not know that the sovereign for whom they pretended such re verence was bound by a solemn oath to maintain the pro testant church not only in England and Scotland, but in Ireland also? There was no difference in the Queen's pre rogative in England, Scotland, or Ireland. He hoped the house was prepared to sanction the clause he proposed. Lord J RUSSELL rose to object to this clause. The hon. gentleman called it a clause, but, in fact, it was a very I long bill, and one which he thought would create as much confusion as any bill he had ever heard of. (Hear.) The hon. baronet, in the preamble to his hill, had brought a heavy accusation against the government—not against the present government, but those which had preceded it—and he had said that from 1829 perhaps not one government had been witkout some mark of censure. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Warwickshire agreed with the opinion of the lien. baronet. (Mr. Sroomen : Hear, hear.) Then those hon. members would be almost the only two persona who could take places in the new cabinet atter a vote of censure had passed on the government. (" Hear," and a laugh.) In the beginning of the preamble of the )ton. baronet's amendment, the following passage occurred :—" And whereas such assumptions have no fouudation in the law or custom of this realm, but rather are manifestly against all law, yet by negligence and suffe rance of late years, such assumptions have gained allowance and countenance, to the great disparagement of her Ma jesty's imperial crown and dignity, and to the weakening and dishearteeie— -e - " ' of and he was in a condition to pioduco evidence of its truth. He thought that a strong case had been made out for legis lation, and for very stringent legislation in the sense of the first clause. (Ironical cheering from the Roman catholic members.) Yes, he repeated that a case had been made out fur annulling and putting an end, by means of the an• thority of parliament, to the ill-advised and insolent aggro ' sion of the court of Rome on the temporal rights of English subjects, whereas no case at all had been made out for the two raining clauses,and least of all for the proposition to include Ireland within the scope of the bill. That was the distinc tion he took, and hon. gentlemen opposite would do well to consider with hint whether they would not effect their ob ject by excluding Ireland from the bill. An Wen I'dvmucti—We decline any connexion of the kind. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ANSTEY could not act with hon. gentlemen oppo alto on this or any other question. (Ironical cheers.) lie was there an independent member, representing both Roman catholics and protestants, and unless he were ..iddishertening of the priitcsa . nt reformed churches 1.. thin realm, and to the discouragement of the protestant faith in the land, and in all other her Majesty's dominions." That was a grave and solemn charge to which it was impos sible he (Lord J. RusseU) could agree. And in the suppo sition that that censure was established, the hon. gentleman went on to enact that " it is not and shall nut be deemed lawful for any minister or servant of the crown in the United Kingdom, or for any governor or subordinate officer in any of the dominions thereunto belonging, on Occasion of any public state or ceremonial or otherwise, to give or allow any rank or precedence, or to use in any public legal or official document any prefix of title or appellation of honour." What the mean ing was of the phrase public state or ceremonial it was difficult to say. lie supposed that the order in council in which a Roman catholic bishop was styled " right reverend" was a public document in which the title of " right reverend prelate" was given to a Roman catholic ecclesiastic. That was certainly a title . honour. Then the hon. baronet to advocate fraud and imposture, sad ambition, as parts of the Roman catholic system, he mustezpress his unqualified condemnation of the recent act of aggression on the part of the court of Rome, but the noble, lord by -a Ireland in the bill, had the people of Ire went further, and by his bill enacted that no titles should be given to Roman catholic prelates in the colonies except in cases of "any dependency ceded by treaty to the crown in which treaty there shall have been a special pro vision for the maintenance of the church of Rome therein." - . including me mu, ranged land on the side of Dr. Cullen and against the colleges. The popular excitement or frenzy in Ireland dated only from the month of February, and the noble lord would do well to went to the amendment for excluding that country from the bill. (near, hear.) After a few words frotuaMr. W. ruossta and Mr. R00t.% Lord J. RUSSELL said he wished to say a few words before the committee went to a division, in order to show why Ireland should not be excluded from the bill. (Bear, If the of the - 'waded—and hecii.) It prerogative crown was he must assume that, if the bill was to be approved of, and if Ireland were left out of the bill, then it would follow that the prerogative of the crown could not be infringed with impunity in England, whilst in Ireland it could be infringed with • (Hear, hear.) It - maintenance of the church ot noim ..... The hon. gentleman should remember that many of these colonies had legislatures who legislated for their own class, and that it was often a question in those colonies whether their legislature should have its own way, or that an act of parliament should rule them. In those colonial parlia ments there would be great variation of religious opinions, and consequently there would be hardly a minister or a servant of the crown who might not be liable to this charge, and to a prosecution for violation of this law. Sometimes, for example, he had himself met Archbishop Murray at a public dinner, and be had asked him to go out of the room before %. 4 -- -- _ impunity. , hear.) -. seemed, therefore, to him that it would not be possible logically to defend the bill unless Ireland was included. (Hear, hear.) But then, in point of practice and of fact, it was said there were many millions of Boman catholics in Ireland and that therefore they ought not to pass a bill prohibiting anything from being dune which the Roman catholics of that might wish to sec done. It appeared to him that th= of the argument to that effect went nut so much BOW this bill, which to a very trifling degree extended the present law, as against the existing law—the provisions of 10 Geo. 4. If it were right to allow persons to call them. selves " Roman Catholic Archbishop of Dublin," Roman Catholic Archbishop of Armagh," " Bishop of Limerick," land so forth, in order to accomplish that object it was ne . go .Itha la neadonsa, i and he thought it was very pro per to do so. But it It be said that that was a viola tion of the law, and was a question for a jury to decide. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The hon. baronet had also said that these acts had been done by all former go .. . .. by vernments, and introduced with profusion the pres s int government. Such a clause could not be allowed to be brought up, and he should oppose the motion. (Hear.) The committee then divided. For the clause l2l Against it 166-45 The house then resumed, the chairman reported progress, lad obtained leave to sit again on Monday. Lord .Y. RUSSELL (who was speaking when we re entered the gallery) . stated the course he intended to take with the u public bonces. With regard to the Customs Bill and the Window Duties Bill, he intended to take these two orders on Monday se'nnight. lie proposed to take the committee on supply on Thursday if possible. The noble that' - e at its ruing emery to repeal the provisions of 10 Oco, IV:The whole of the argument as regarded the practice appeared to him not an argument against including Ireland in this bill, but for the repeal of the 10 Geo. IV. Ile did not perceive that hon. gentlemen improved the case at all by asserting, as they did, that that act was not in force ; he maintained the contrary; but, supposing the case was otherwise, :they should not willingly allow an act to remain on the statute book which they considered a persecuting act, imposing pains and penalties on persons professing their religion. Ifl that were the character of this bill as regarded Ireland, it was so much more the character of the 10 Geo. IV., and therefore he repeated what honourable members ought to do was not to rest contented with this amendment, but at once to ask for the repeal of the existing statute. As the matter stood at present the question seemed to him far more one of right and of logic than of practice. This bill carried very little further than it was already carried the prohibi tion against the assumption of titles; what it really did,and what he thought it would be effective in doing, was to pro hibit the assumption of the titles of places which did not give titles to existing sees. That was what they proposed to do, and proposing that with regard to England he did not think they would be justified in saying that any person might under a rescript of the Pope assume the title at Bishop of Galway, or of any other place, without the autho rity of parliament. Mr. REYNOLDS said that, viewing this bill as an insult to Roman catholics, he was prepared to vote for excluding or Irish - v from its -- He co.- lord then moved , • the house at its ,do adjourn till Monday next. The motion having been seconded, was agreed to. WOODS, FORESTS, &c., BILL. After a few words from Viscount DeNciN and Lord SEYMOUR, in reference to the postponement of this order, Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought it should be taken at a morning sitting. Mr. HENLEY objected to the taking of so important a bill at a morning sitting. Indeed there was so much incon venience attendant on morning sittings that he did not think it at all reasonable that they should be held at this period of the session. If they were persisted is they would break up all the committees. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he would fix it fur Tuesday, but he begged to add that if he found it could not otherwise be brought on next week he would be obliged to have a morn ing sitting for it. GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTII BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The preamble was postponed. Mr. HOLLOND inquired why Hastings was excluded from the schedule Lord SEYMOUR said that Hastings had been for the present omitted on account of some 1 real dispute. Ile, however, considered himself at liberty to introduce that borough into another bill which he intended bringing for ward in a few days. After • few words from Mr. Frewen, Mr. Ilollond, and Lord the several clauses were - ' to. ad agreed Mr HOLLOND moved that Hastings be added to tho schedule. The committee divided. For the amendment 45 Against it Oa the reporters being admitted into the gallery, Mr. FRE WEN was complaining of the bill being brought sat bp-nicht unexpectedly. Several members who took an Interest in it would have been present had they known. lie hoped his hon. friend the member for Hastings would take an opportunity of bringing the case of that town be- Rae the consideration of the house. - Mr. HOLLOND said it was necessary for the welfare of, the town of Hastings that it should be included in the bill. Mr. W. MILES said the noble lord ought to state his' reasons for not including Hastings. Lord SEYMOUR said the hon. member would recol lect that he came to him himself with respect to a town in his own part of the country, as to which there were great difficulties. They were not agreed as to whether the town should be under the Board of Health, and if it were they were not agreed as to the boundaries. A deputation from St. Leonard's waited upon him and said although it was fair to Hastings it was very unfa ir to St. Leonard's. He then said he would put the town aside for that bill, and would five them several weeks to come to a better understanding among them selves. But looking to the importance of putting Hastings under the General Health of Towns Act, he should put it into the next bill that he brought before the house. After some further consideration, the schedule as origi sally proposed was passed, and the house resumed. HOME-MADE SPIRITS IN BOND. Lord NAAS moved that the report on this bill be !nought up. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed to take the discussion on another stage of the bill, and the motion was agreed to. CIVIL BILL (IRELAND). This bill passed through committee pro forma. MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND. Mr. LABOUCHERE moved for leave to bring In a hill to amend the acts relating to the Merchant Seaman's Fund. He stated that the condition of this fund had long been • cause of complaint. It was in a state of hopeless insolvency and presented increased difficulties every year. It was a fund raised by a compulsory tax of 6d. • month on all sea men • and the mismanagement had been so great, that Mr. Finlipson calculated that, if it were now wound up, the do- ificiency would be 800,0001. He had proposed last year ba redeem it by increasing the contribution to a shilling a I month, which would produce 30,00..1., and adding other 1 30,0001. from the Exchequer. He had abandoned this scheme, finding it impossible to reconcile the merchant seamen to an Increased contribution. He therefore pro- posed now to wind up the fund, which could not be done without assistance from the state to the extent of 500,000/. or 700,0001., spread over a period of 30 years, which would have the effect of winding up the fund. The ' principles on which this was to be done were to guarantee all existing pensions; that all assets due to the fund should Ibe collected and paid into the public funds. The Board of Trade would have a summary control over the whole pro , ceedings. lie would reserve a detailed explanation of the provisions of the bill till a future opportunity. Leave was then given to briug in the bill, which was brought in and read a first time. The house adjourned at a quarter after one o'clock. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLBi BILL.—MT. Goold paircd for, with Mr. Stafford against. PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES. ST. ANDREW AND QUEBEC RAILWAY.—The com mittee on this bill report that the standing orders may be dispensed with, and that the bill may be prseeeded with. NEW FOItEST DEER REMoVAL }SILL.—The committee on this bill met for the first time yesterday to choose a chairman and arrange the order of - proceeding. The bill proposes to extinguish the rght of the crown to keep deer and other beasts of forest or chase in the New Forest, county Southampton, and in lieu of such right to empower the crown to enclose, not exceeding 14,000 acres, in addi tion to the 6,000 acres already enclosed. The deer to be re moved within two years. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. HOUSE OF COMMONS. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUItII'TION BILL. ((Considered an Committee.) VSMIIINT proposed, cue 2, to add at the end of :he clause the folowing proviso: Provuled always, that nothing in thls act eons Mined shall be construed to interfere with or in any manner to re strict the free action of the Roman catholic church in the Unilcril Ktmplom in mutters of a rpintuAl naturc."—( Mr. lionotil, non put, ..litut lbw wmtk be there ndUed."—)le uumautta divided; Ayev, 42; Noes, 311NORTTT. . _ Arundel and Surrey, Mime, J.4eph Power, Dr. Karl of Johnstone, James Itawdon, Colonel Clements, Ron. C. 8. Keating, Robert Reyno:da, John Cobden, Richard Keogh, William Elailleir, John Colebrooke, Sir T. E. 111'Cu1ligh, Wm. T. Somers, John P. Corboly, Matthew E. Meagher, Monism Teanori, Edward K. Crawford, W. S. Molesworth, sir W. Tamen', Robert J. Dawson, lion. T. 9. Moore. George 11. Urquhart, I Mod s O'Brien, Thom ombe Dunc, Thomasir T. . ..... . Wall, Charles B. 107,M'illiitm, J. O'Connell. John Wttirn..lar, sir!. Gludstona,l(t. lin.W. O'Connell, Morgan Wegg-Itio.-aer, F. R. GrJen, Oltwer I). J. 0•11.nnor, frugal; Orttb.m,ltt. Ho. girl. O'Forrtll, Rt. lin. It. TILL,IO. Greene, John O'Fialterty, Anthony Pi-atoll, W. Gerhart, Henry A. 0-oval.l„Velander Scully, Franca Unrgion, George 0.0. Pinney, M illi.un ()crown put, " That donne g stand part of the bt.l :" the commit:en . . -- ihniic - iti : Aies, 130 ; Noun, 33. -r- ----------- .....--- MINORITY. Arundel and Surrey. Higgins, George G.O. O'Flahertv. Anthony ' Earl of Slime, Joseph (lima 1, A lex.. run r Bright, John Keating, Robert Sadleir, !ono Clements., lion. C. S. Knouts, William Bcully, Fesncis Corbally, Matthew E. M'Cultagb, W. T. Smith, Kt. Iln. IL V. Crawford, Win. 8, Mcosiher, Thomas Somers, John Ps. sic' revel tux, John T. Monsell, Wiliam Tenisen, Ed* du K. Ellin, John Morgan, H. K. J. Tennent, Itth rt J. Fun., Wit ism J. Murphy, Francis S. Vane, Lord Harry Gould, Wyndham O'Brien, Sir Timothy Waltusley, Sir J. Grace. Oliver D. J. O'Connell, John Tel 1.811` , . Grahnro,lo.llon.Sini. O'Connor, Ivargus rower, Dr. Gr. cue, John O'Ferrall,RLlLLn.ll.M. Reynold*, John _ .. . . _. . _ . _ - - CLA , !O3 9 (Act not to extend to Bishops of the Protestant Episcopal Church lo Sootlan4.) Maculate nt proposed, to leave out from the word w place" to the end of the clause, la order to odd the words "need as the desianation of office in such Church, or to the as. sumption or use of the title of Archbishop, Bishop, or Dean, taken by any person solely as the de-ignation of his o ffi ce, for the go vernment of any voluntary church according to its rules and usage., and not claiming or as-uroing to hare by law in respect of each title any jurisdiction, authority, or pre-eminence in the United Kingdeas,"—(Mr. Sharman Crawford)—instoad thereof. Question put, ' , That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause.. The Committee divided; Ayes, I ; Noce, 33. MINORITY. Arundel and Surrey, Keogh. William Oswald Alexander Earl ot NrCullarh, W. T. Perfect. Robert Castlereagh, Viscount Meirgher, Thomas Power, Dr. Clements, Hon. C. 8. Monied, William *hallow, John Caraallfs Matthew E. Moore, George If. Sculley, Francis Deveenux, John T. Morgan, H. K. G. Somers, John P. isav,Vin. J. Murphy, Francis S. Tcniaon, Edward K. Wyndham O'Brien, Sir T. Torment, Robert J. Grace, Ohver D. L tYCounelL, John WalmAry Sir J. Graham, Rt. lion. Mr O'Connor, Feargus Wegg-Prower, F. R. James O'F.,rrall, Rt. lion. TRLLTRII. Higgins, G. 0. 0. Rich. More Revno'dei, John Keating, Robert O'Flaborty, Anthony Crawford, Sharman Cuss' (That this Act shall not extend or apply to Ireland) brought up, and read the first time.—(Mr. Sharman Crawford:.—Motion nude , and question put, ''That s the clause be now ;ail a second time."—The Committee divided: Ayes, GO; Noes, 2i5. MINORITY. Ansley, Thomaa C. Hohhouse, T. B. Ponaonby, En. C.P.A. Arundel and hurley, Horsman, Edward Power. Hr. Earl of Howard, Fir Ralph Rawillon, Colonel Bell, Jacob Hutchins, Edward J. Reynolds, John Blake, Martini. Keating, Robert Roche, Edmund B. Bright, John Keogh, William Sadietr, John Castlereagh, Theotmt Lawl'ra, Ilon. C. Salwey, Colonel Cavendish, Hou.G.IL M'Cullagb, W. T. Scully, Francia Clay, James Meagher, Thomas Shato, Robert S. Clements, Ilse. C. S. Mahon, The O'G. Smith, Rt. lion. B. V. Corbally, Matthew E. Moore, George H. Smythe, Hon. G. Dawson, Hon. T. V. Morgan, H. E.G. Somers, John P. Devereux, John T. Murphy, Francis S. Talbot, John H. Drummond, Henry Norreya, Sir D. J. Tennent, Robert J. Ellis, John O'Brien, Sir Timothy Tollemache, tin. F.J. Evelyn, William J. O'ConneO, M. J. Vane, Lord harry Fox, W. J. O'rerrall, Hn. It. M. Willi ams, William (Mold, Wyndham O'F.aherty. Anthony Gram, Other D.J. Osborne Ralph TILLII4. Herbert, Henry A. Peel. Frederick Cainpell, William lingWr. 0. 0. O. Perfect, Robert Crawford, W. 8. Iliny, Charles Pilkington, James Ctausz offered.—Declaring it unlawful to give rank or precedence, on occasion of any public state or ceremonial, or to use in any public document, any title or appellation of honour, in respect of any eceledesticial dignity In the Church of Rome, to any perms, not having her Majesty's lieeess.—(Sir Robert Harry inglia.)-31otion made and question put, "That the said clause be brought up." The amanitas divided: Ayes, 11l ; Noes, IGO, AYES. Adderiey, C. S. Fence, James Morris, David Arkwright, George Forsoter,ltoo.G.C.W. Mullins, Joseph B. Balley,:Jossph Pox, Saciori/le W. L. Mundy, William Bahlock, E. H. Fresno, Chas. H. Napier, Joseph Baldwin, Charles B. Lislivrey, Sir W. P. Necid, John ' Danko, Galway, Viscount Noel, Hon. G. J. Barrow, W, .12t, rd Colonal Pacer, Charles W. damn*, Thomas , Ambrose L. l'almer, Robert Bentiock,Hard H. Granby, Marquis of Perfect, Robert Bernard, Viscount Grogan, Edward Plowden, Win. 11. C. Blacks W. S. Guernsey, Lord Piumpt re , J o h n P . Blair, Ste Gwyn, Howell Prime, Mtho ed Bolder°, deny G. Hall, Colonel Bold, Colonel Booker, T. W. Itallervell, ExlmondO. }lepton, G. W. J. Booth, Sir B. G. Hamilton, Geo. A. RW,IICRAt, Captain Boyd, John Hamilton, J. Hans Bandon, George Bremridge, Richard Hamilton, Lord C. Seaham, Vi.count Brim°, Musgrave Hattie, Alexander Sibth3rp, Colonel Broodwood, Henry lleuley, Joe. Warner Snroerset, Captain Brooke, Lard liildyard, Rob. C. Stafford, Miro. toe Brooke, Sir A. B. liudipon, W. N. Stanley, Edward Buck, Lewis W. Hope, Sir John Stephenson, Robert Miller, Sir John Y. Milliard, Lord Stuart, Henry Sunbury, W. M. Johnstone Jas. Stuart, John COWL Benjamin B. Julliffe, Su' Win. G. Thesiger, Sir F. Campbell. lino. Wm. JOllOl, Captain Thompson, Mr. Aid. Chaplin, W. J. Emmen, Sir Edward Tollemache, John Chichester, Id. 3. L. Kershaw, James Trevor, Hs. G. It. Child, Smith Knox, lin. W. Stuart Tyler, Sir Georgu Christopher, R. A. Langton, Wm. IL P. Vern er , Sir William Clive, Henry B. Lennox, Lord 11. G. Vyee, It. H. R. H. Sir W. Lindsay, Hon. Colonel Waddington, IL S. iSol l e i a rt :ll 4 ry B. Long, Walter Walpole, Spencer If. Colvile, C. R. Lowther, Hon. Gil. Walsh, Sir John B. Compton, Henry C. Lydon, Hon. General Weiby, Glynne E. Cowan, Charles Mmatighten, Sir Ed. Wigram, Loftus T. Cabltt, William Mandeville ' Viscount Yorke, lion. E. T. Davies, D. A. S. Mowery, Lord C. S. Disraeli, Benjamin Heineman John Tr.T.LXILS. Bbd, John W . Malweil, lion. Jon P. Inglis, Blr R. H. Edwards, Henry Mime, William Spooner, R. Farnham, Edw. B. Moody, Charles A. Abdy, Sir Thanes N. Fronton, Colonel Patten, John Wilson Adair, R. A. B. Glyn, George C. Pigott, Francis Amami, llon. Col. Gould, Wyndham Pilking.on, James An i teL Thomas C. Greer, 0. D. J. Pinney, William u 1 and Surrey, Graham, Hon. Sir J. Poissualiy, Hon. C. F. Earl of Grenfell, C. P. Portal, lielvillo =r, John Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir G. Power, Dr. Rt. Hn. WT. Grey, Ralph W. Price, sir Robert Wring, Roo. Sir F.T. Grosvenor, Lord R. Posey, Philip Barron, Mr H. W. Grosvenor, Earl Bowdon, Chlonel Beckett, William Hallyburton, 14. J. F. Reynolds, John Jacob Harmer, Sir John Ricardo, Osman an , John Hardt:soda J. A. Rice, Edward U. Berkeley Admiral Michell, Rt. Hon. J. Rich, Henry Berkeley C. L. G. Hawes, Benjamin R o b ar t ea , T. J . A . Bethel, Richard Headlain, Thum it. Hominy, Sir John Birch, Sir Thomas D. Menage, 0. IL W. Russell, Lord John Blake, Martin J. Heneage, Edward Rowell, F C. H. ' Bourse* Hon. E. P. Hervey, Lord Alfred Russell, Hon. E. 8. = di lk a aL rit. Colonel Heywood, James Scully, Lor d John Higgins George O. O. Seymour, d . Brodoman. Edwd. D. use. Thomas B. Moray, R. A. Brows. VlEllana Hodge., Thomas Law &DIM, J. A. Brume, Lard Ernest Hollond, Robert Smith, Rt. yin. R. V. Sushi,& _Edward H. Hammen. Edward Smith, H. T. Cartes, labia B. Hughes, Wm. E. Somers, John P. MMus, hia W. Johnstoae, Sir John Somerville,Ho. SirW. Mobiday,file M. Keating, R. Spearman, Henry J. r Keogh, William Stanton, William IL . r . labonehere, Hon. H. Sutton, J. H. M. Car~burn, lir Airs. Howlers, Hon. Cecil Talbot, C. R. IL Cortally,ll•Mrw E. Lawley, Hon. B. S. Talbot, J. H. Corry, M.. Ha. H. L. Lewis, George C. TeliKill, F. N. Cowper, Hon. W es . F. Littleton, Hon. E. P. TurroL Hobert J. OM& Sir Ws. G. Locke Joseph lidskaamo, IL A. 11•Calicell i ;, t. W. T. Thompson, Colonel Crawler, Maud B. WNW, Talimmiale. an. F. J. Dame. OW aIL F. 11Log2 6. 11ass D. Townsisme. Captain Dow.,Wowed ll Junes G. =IFa. Thomas Denten; Ma T. Martin, W. IL Ha. H. MelovalQ w oorot Tom, Lod Bony Von/A air Harry graarg ar s aiM lL Z. I l looni, th°l4 G. &sty Wek/sy„ Dams organ, IL 11. OM. Walking, Clot. Lloyd D am Ile Anse Maim Ha. Z. H.L. Wilkey B. litGhL D" Timsant Mulamve Kidd Williams, William Dilnamla = Murphy, F. Nook Williamoso, Sir IL Nona" Pk Danz Wilson, James D. o , llrkm,lat Theft Wilma. Matthew M it'Slajgr eord 0101mIL Ma Wood. Rt. lin. Sir C. 111101, Ben. J. E. O'Cismall. H.aas Wood. PH William P. SMasost, J. B. B. LlVloloolo. Mammy Wrookro, Rt. 110. I. S. Ewa. iris Ohoost im lldoli Tam Sir John amirm Willow Moil Fergas. lake M o l o ri a ttiormor • TIMM. ammo. Mr Z. A. Tbirsost Harter, Hon. W. 11. indat i nordiorr Prow, MOM MIL Lord Mame