The Express. — London, England, 1848-07-22 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY ETENING, JULY 22, 1848. 2 too), the table earl at Unbend of the government in Ireland IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. wou ld soy he was sure, be suspected of not giving effect to ----- those powerspowers which were more usefully employed HOUSE OF LORDL—FEIDer, JULY 21. than the ante earl opposite seemed disposed to think for when be said they had not been so effectual in penning the The Loan Canttromma took his seat at 6 o'clock. passed= of arms, he must not forgot that the power exer- SECOND RRAOINOB. punter Customs. Water. and Ilum amendment; Hahne and reek* nod; ni r kenuese peek 030. cased led to the abandonment of the open use of saimunits Dressler of powers to now enaminione ego:dater. arms, which b a d been productive of the pent effect. ""Pteenta with the Drown. and anaandflod of sem, ho. 2) i woe- The noble earl (Clarendon) attached the greatest import s:ester Turnpike Trams; Mils. nos to the act to which ne referred. lie (the Marqtis of THIRD liYAolBoB.—Truro Tumel___,ha 1f00d0,..; T",„_,,"" and,,......... P " th Landedowne) knew be had abstained as lone as he possi ily IltsliVAl lusmdcol_utsolioNi : Dood""" A Tbn "" "L": r 6 LX" --- i ,p c could Irem applying it to the greet cities in Ireland, and par kin. tl Du); Great Northers Railway 3sle of Azhasoe e+ end to nubile. (Hear.) He also knee that hi. noble arch Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. 2); Rills. "" - . Mend thought that Sete time had new come when the act PUBLIC BUSLMRSo. NECOND READlNO.—Cnsollilated Fund BM. must be strictly enforced, and it would be with all that vigi. COullelTTEßA—Truetere Relief (Ireland) ; Emboli/0 of Feeleelat- non and sagacity which characterised his noble friend. Oral ['orange between her Majesty and the Earl of teicestiA metto . Other act. of parliament applicable to the present emir ePOßTe.--AdmintstrAtion of Justice (Nos. I and ej ; gent y _had been revived by the government of Ireland, one of h e from Vexatious Actions; lens mar. of which against training had already been brought into TIDRD REANNOtt—uegistering sloths, Be. (Ocotlend): "or (Swatimill ; Appeals on Civil &Os (Datido ; BMA operation with very good effects, and as it was about to ex- CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL. pire, the government would call upon the legislature to renew A during the present session. He could not agree with the This bill was read a second time. 0/I the modem of the Marquis cf LANSDOWNE the stand. noble earl in tninking, that the trial . by Lary wee so ine . ffec ier tie l e tag orders were @emended, the committee was negatived , in Ireland as he had represented it to —more part i cu larl y and the bill was reed a third time and passed. in or r that when he recollected the courage and honesty with which the jurors empanelled during the recent trials for murder had it might receive oho royal went to-morrow (this day). STATE OF IRELAND. discharged the functions that devolved on them. 'I be con- The Elul of GLENGALL said it was his intention to have duct of these jurors entitled them to melee the thanks proposed a motion which he had on the paper . that day ; but but of their country, up en on d to it . w t as .t t tzi e y jus cases attictimr In consequence of a notice which had Wen gtven by a noble those who were ailed lord in another place be begged to ask the noble marquis sick, to state that not a single witness shran k . from giving th fulmaunet, an thus aiding the .d cau b se opposite if it was true that it ws the intention of the govern his evidence n in a tru dint to suspend the Habeas Corpus Act in Irelond ?If it annum. e entirely coincided in e opinion tepee. y was so it would prevent him Dom entering into details the noble earl, that the clubs exercised a power of intimida- , upon the question of which he had given notice. Ile was Sion in Ireland over all classes, high and low, rich and poor ; QUI en prepared to go on with his motion ; but if it was the and notices were universally sread abroad b y . these associa. intention of the government to move the suspension of the none that they considered al l who did not join them, and Habeas Corpus Act to-morrow he should not proceed with act in concert with them, to be their enemies, thus abusing that motion, because he was sure that nothing but the sus- what they termed liberty, and rendering that term more pension of the Habeas Corpus Act would remedy the frightful hateful than the worst despotism of an absolute governmert. condit;on of Ireland ; and that was, in fact, the object of his Wu not this a state of things that ought tribe grappled with motion. by the government ? (Hear, hear.) Did it not moll for the The Marquis of LANSDOWNE male some observations exercise of all the powers of government? (Hear, hear.) which. were very indistinetly heard in the gallery, but he And he would say that his noble friend at the head of the was understood to say that it was the intention of the go- ministry was prepared to use those powers, supported as he vernment to suspend the Habeas Corpus Act. hoped he would be by both houses of parliament. (Hear, The Earl of OLENGALL—Is it the wish of your lord- hear.) He knew it bad been said, why did not the govern ship, then, that I should ponied ? meet wait? Why do to-day what might be put off till to- The Marquis of LANSDOWNE intimated his assent. morrow ?In answer to these objections he could only The Earl of GLENGALL then proceeded to gay, that, express his belief that they bad arrived at a state considering the frightful condition in which the well-aftected of things, when any loss of time would be • people of Inlaid weep laced by the existing state of thinp certain loss of power. Men.) If the power of the goeern n that country, he had felt A his duty to lay on their lord. went were now exerted, so far from tendir g to a loos ot hie ships' table a notice of the followieg motion :move or an impairment of liberty, the very reverse would be the for copies of reports from the etipendiary magistrates, con- effect of prompt measures. (Hear.) Under these cis cum stabulary officers and police, respecting the formation of stances the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland had informed the clubs in Ireland since the let of March, Dia." That moon government that the time had arrived when it was he begged leave now to make. It was well known that Lamle- necessary to arm him with the power of detaining lions had existed in Ireland subversive of law and order. ell persons suspected of treasonable or seditious inten. These societies, or clubs, advocating a remit to physical riots or opinions. He (the Marquis of Lanolowne) force, to obtain political rights, had been established m all thought that this was • power very just y called the large towns in the south of Ireland, and in for by his noble friend, because the exercise of it would many of the smaller ones. The object of these strike at the leaders of the insurrectionsry parties in Ireland clubs was to organise with a view to subvert the authority of (Hear.) The condition of the population of that country the Queen. Many of such clubs existed in Dublin, and un- ought to be taken into consideration. They had strong doubtedly it was their intention to rise and take that city. tendencies to commit onuses. They wen marked T r a y They had armed themselves and were trained to the use of incapacity, to judge correctly ot their own condition. e arms; and such had been 'the condition of Dublin for two were deprived of the advantages of having capital emrloyed months. lie believed that all persons well affected had the amongst them. and when in addition to all these character moot unbounded confidence in the LoretLielittnallt, who iltiC3 he found that they had recently suffered severely under tied acted with tyre[ t wisdom and determination ; but his a dispensation of providence which had inflicted the horrors powers were not sufficient for the emergency. When the of famine upon them, he felt that there weft some clubs in Dublin found that the preparations which were excuses for the population being excited into manifestations of made there to repress rebellion were too great for them, they sedition, and led away by their teachers and orators. But as set about organisms the country, and in that they had sec • for these leaders and teachers, who knew the falsity of the °ceded, he regretted to say, to a great extent, and societies statements which they uttered, and who had taken advan were consequently formed, which openly said that they in. tag of the sufferings caned by famine to turn the minds of tended to overturn the power of the government. Moreover, the people against the government, he felt that for each they intended to effect • *anal as well as a political revolu- leaders no pity ought or could be enter.ained, and it was tiou. They said, in • document which he held in his hand, against them that the whole power of the government and that it was their determination to root out the Irish land- of the parliament would be fairly and justly levelled. (Hear.) lords—to eradicate them, root and brooch, out of the ishind. He was, therefore, of opinion that the Lord Lieutenant of The extermination of Irish lmudlords, it was said, should Ireland was justified in making the demand which he had be the first watchword of the council of 300 ; and the done, end he trusted the parliament would manifest no other English garrison, as it wee called. of 800; and who were feeling on the subject than that they trusted the power so they ? lVhy the Irish landlord , . And it was sa that to asked for in sate hands —( hen) —and , also, that his noble destroy them was one of their chief objects. It was so stated friend, having only asked for it at the last moment, was all in • document called a proclamation, and it was said that the more likely to exercise it prudenLy and witt, modera ouch would be the war-cry of the people. lie need not go tion. For the reasons, therefore, that he had noted, he into the details of speeches which their lordships no doubt hoped the noble earl would withdraw his motion, as the pro bed seen in the public print, to prove the state of feeling in duction of the correspondence would only lead to bau re- Ireland; but he might say that the leaders advocated a re- suite, and could do no good Before he sat down, he must 1 , sort to pikes and other weapon. The people were alto ad- state is the authority ot his noble friend (the Earl of Cl to dip hoop in turpentine, and throw them over the don)that,elthouah there were individual instances to the con necks of the military. In various parts of the country mul- trill's', the conduct of the great portion of the Roman titudes of people had gathered in militaty array, and, not catholic priesthood is Ireland had been most meritorious— satisfiel with organising at home, they were endeavouring (hear) --and they tad exerted themselves most effectually to organise abroad. In America they were raising subecrip- in opposing the progress of sedition and inflammation — Cons to aid the Irish in their contemplated rebellion, and in (hear, hear)—and he might add, th at many eases might be France —in Pane—there existed an " Irish national corn. cited where they had made effectual exhortations to theii mines," which had issued a proclamation calling on the flocks to maintain peace and to prevent the contagion of people to aid the Irish in throwing ed . the yoke of England. Unison and discontent from reaching them. And these lads This proclamation said that the people of Ireland were pre. his noble friend was most anxious should be publicly stated paring —were organiaing—and before the autumn the and a , iversally known. liiijlish yoke would are got rid of. It then ap- LordBROUGUAM said that he was one of cot a few merit ed to the French people, whether they would ben of Oben lordships house who were disposed to ask the ; the ally of Eogland or Ireland—of democracy government why they had wetted so long. Now, however, or •ristocracy ? A multitude of emissaries were foam time to after the delay o ( fix months . , they were prepared to act, and time passing between the two countries; and there was too he cordially approved of their intention, only hoping it was much 111•6011 to believe that some persons in France, who not adopted too late to be effectual, The only way to avoid were connected with the late insurrection, were also aeso- the unhappy state of things observable in a neighbouring Mated with the movement in Ireland. It wasin consequence country was to suspend the Habeas Corpus Act in Ireland, of this that 71 peers and landed proprietors in Ireland had or, in other words, to give the authorities there the power to thought it neenesary to sign a memorial to the Home Seam imprison persons without having any sworn information tary, calling on him to put down these clubs and this system spinet them. By so doing the government would have the of orminisation ; but the reply of the Home Secretary was power of imprisoning the leaders of the sedition, and thus not satisfectory, and that reason had induced him to bring those would be taken away in whose absence the insurrection forward this motion. Up to this moment what had the could not peoceed. He would call their lordships' attention government done ? They had proclaimed several districts, to • statement made b y . a penman of high legal authority, and had h at , three individuals, and one of them cairn. who gave it as his opinion that the suspension of the sally. What, however, had been or would be the effect? Habeas Corpus Act was a remedy for the evil, inasmuch as Proclaiming under the new coercion act was not the estab • it tended to cure and not to irritate. He had been told that lishment of martial law, but merely the taking away arms he was at liberty to cite the name of the late Mr. O'Connell from persons unfit to hold them, The proclaiming of dn. as that of the authority to whom be referred, but he had trine would be unavailable. The people had arms, and they declined to do so unless the conversation wherein he made would keep them. The government had tried prcaecutions the assertion was committed to paper by the very respectable under the ordinary . law, and one under the Crown and person who had held it with him. This had been done, and Government Security Act. In two of those cases„ he would now proceed to read the record of the converse • although they were as clear as possible, they could not tin. The noble lord then read • statement, to the effect obtain verdicts. In one case, however, they had obtained a that about three weeks bef ore ore Sir Robert Peel's coercion verdict, and had carried the law into effect with prompti- bill of 1546 was brought late Daniel O'Connell deli tude. But what had been the effect of the Fe (mention of berately stated to the writer, in the pretence of a learned Mitchel ? It had made the people doubly furious ; and as doctor and another gentleman, who was since a member of there were other parties to be tried on the Bth of Augun the parliament, whose names he (Lord Broughsm) would, logo people were doubt, vigilant, their object being to raise • re- titer with his informant's, communicate to the noble marquis, bAlion before the Bth of August, to prevent others from that in his opinionthe true remedy and the sate and constitu. being sent oat of the country. It was originally intended tonal course to pursue in regard to Limerick was to resort not to rise until after the harvest i lent that thermntention was to what was commonly called the suspension of the Habeas altered, he believed, now. And them:awe n point— Corpus Act, as that would cure and not irritate. And Mr. would the juries do their duty ? If a Koran catholic gen- D. O'Connell also then stated that if Sir R. Peel made out tleman acted against agitation, he was immediately singled a case, he would support him in suspending the Habeas out and termed "an Orange catholic," and when a person Corpus Act, provided he (Sir R. Peel) produced at the same received that appellation, the sooner Le made his will the time to the house those measure* of relief and justice to Ire better. He had received most frightful accounts from many land which he (Sir R. Peel) had so often promised to give to gentlemen in districts which had n A been proclaimed. the people of that country. In that case, Mr. D. O'Connell Tfieir own tenants they said had come to them and stated said he would give his hearty support to the suspension of that the deny of insurrection was tom ng on the Bth of Aug. ; the Haien Corpus, but he would oppose any curfew bit, as and they were obliged to join theta traitors —they dared not that would irritate and not cure the malady. The writer resist them. Tumultuous assemblages and most seditious proceeded to state that, with Mr. D. O'Connell's permission, acts were committed in proclaimed districts, end the parties be had put this conversation on paper and shown i : to Sir who committed those outrages in some instances had but just R. Peel and Lord J. Russell. Such testimony, continued the been charged with misdemeanors. Mr. Doheny ought to noble lord (Broughambwas of no slight value in support ot the have been prosecuted under the Crown and Governmeot measure proposed by the Lord-Lientenant of Ireland and Security Act. The noble lord here referred to the late proceed- her Majesty's government. inn at Carrick-on-Suir, and said that, under the -c circom - Lord STANLEY said, that however great the alarm Millennia* felt confidentpioclametions were notsufficient ; and might be which was created by the knowledge that the be was glad government bad determined to act with energy government was going to resort to strong measures, there and determination. (leer.) The English peope would, he was no right-thinking man in the country who would not was sure, go with the government, and aid them in main- cordially rejoice at hearing the announcement made by her tabling law and order. (Hear, hear.) He had intended to Mmesty's ministers, and if there was any drawback to that say much more on the subject, but as the government had feeling of satisfactioa it was not on account of the prompt. determined to suspend the Habeas Corpus Act, he would nem of the determination of the government, but rather be congratulate the people of Ireland and England on the fact, muse of the delay that bad taken place. The gauntlet had, and content himself by at once moving for the papers of however, been thrown down, and now the question was, which he had given notice. (Cheers.) shall the law or the mob have the upper hand. Every hour The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had not sought to pre- that this question was in doubt added to the numbers and vent the noble earl from giving notice of his motion. He the strength of the disaffected ; and even men who had been reported to have stated on a former night that dii- would rally round the standard of the government, did cession on the state of Ireland would be attended with public they know where to find it, were now driven into the inconvenience; but, on the contrary, he had said that maks of the disaffected—first, by rem on of being left to whether he concurred in the motion of the noble earl or not themselvee ; and next, because they dared not refuse to make he thought it • desirable opportunity for discussing the sub- common cause with their countrymen. He would, how joct and bearing the opinion. of the house upon it, ever, not now stop to ask why ma•ters had been suffered to He considered, however, that it might be de , go the length they had done. lie was only too glad to 1110 nimble for the noble earl to withdraw his motion, that the government was determined to put down the tedd. although be concurred in the propriety of the attention of lion and treasonable practices ent of the ters would Insh leaders with the • the house being called to the subject ; and he was not pre- strong hand. He wa cond minis have pared to deny the statement which had been triode in any fullest support in that house, and also in the other, however particular, on the contrary, the noble earl had founded it on inconsistent with constitutional law the remedy propose& facts which were known to all the world ; and it was conduct might be. He hoped, mnreover, that the details of the which the parties themselves had in no degree attempted to measure would be as concise as possible, and that govern dissemble. It was unnecessary to state in what degree in an ment would ask for a short ano summary power, so that ordinary state of society, clubs might be more or less per- there would be no occasion for any lengthened .ielay in the witted, and when they were dangerous and when they were progress of the bill through parliament. lie was satisfied not. It would be ditficat to take the precise gauge and di- that if the g overnment was determined to restore girder and mensions of clubs, and point out under what circumstances the power of the crown in Ireland, even though their measure they might be permitted ; hut, at this moment, the clubs re- were not within the pale of constitutional law, they would ferred to had reached • pitch in Ireland which he would not only have the support of those who habitually voted affirm to he, oa the authority of the Lord Lieutenant, and with them, but also of every member of their lordship' on the authority of all the servants of the crown, subversive house. of public peace and the prelude to civil war. (Hear, hear.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that he hoped the 'Their proceedings were before the public. 'link secret proposed measure would be passed into a law as speedily as movemi nts be could not attempt to discover, but when possible, and if, as the noble lord opposite proposed, the he looked at the sy.tematie formation of these clubs, and at house would agree to suspend its standing orders, that course their increase, and when he regarded their language, and would meet with the sanction of the government. It would looked at their objects—when he ale observed the military be satisfactory ti his noble friend (Lord Brougham) to recall array by which they sought to attain those objects—they had to his recollection that, should there be any unfortunate all 0 e elements of insurrection before them, and they only delay in pasting the proposed bill, the effect of which should wanted an absolute declaration of war. (Hear.) When he be to hurry . the unfortunate people who were now en gem the military array directed by a person who went to cited hy their leaders into a state of insurrection, there Paris with the avowed object of seeing the clube there, and, did extst a statute of the Irish parliament by wnicti, having been rejected hy the government of that country, should there be any outbreak or other manifestation went about knocking from doer to door to seek out the ene- of the commencement of a rebellion, the Lord-Lieutenant of min of his own country—(hear, hear) —and when, return- Ireland was authorised to seize and detain every individual ing from that minion, he was placed at the head of these who p should be suspected of seditious or treasonable practices (lub' in Ireland, there could he no doubt of the object. or oinions ; and be took that opportunity of stating that him (Hear.) When that person wen engaged afterwards, not in a noble friend the Earl cf Clarendon was fully prepared to act conflict with the government, but with his own imuntrymen, at once upon that statute. and talked of abandoning what he chow to term " his public Lord BROUGHAM said that it was a charity to the life"—when he spin returned to r• pub li c life to organise people of Ireland to remind them of the act in question, and this einem, and when he passed in review at enceinte° to apprise them of the determination of the Lord-Lientenent intervals persons who, if not possessed of arms, had to act upon it, which he hoped the Berl of Clarendon would beeninetructed in training and told that it was nothing, unless fearless' do. they had arms to use, when he observed all this was there The Earl of GLENGALL then connoted to withdraw any difficulty in seeing the object in view ? (Hear.) He, his motion. He stated it to be his opinion that the govern. therefore, sold that the notoriety of the case was made ment ought to call on the lord-lieutenants of Irish counties to oat, and when the noble lord made his motion for copies of repair to their respective counties. the reports from stipendiary magistrates, he did not object to rhe motion was then by leave withdrawn. %bat he wished him to substitute " extracts of despatches," PROTECTION OFACT JUSTICES FROM VEXATIOUS because they inclatled a great deal of matter which it would lONS BILL. not be fit tolay before the public—(hen, hear), —and which On the motion that the report on this bill be received, would weaken the ease and defeat the object of the govern. The Earl of to I G LEN GALL asked whether this bill would meat it published. With regard to the powers which ex- be extended reland ? tended to. Lord CAMPBELL said be thought that seek sight pro bably bs the Gass at Kens future period. Toil report was then received. Their lordships adjourned at twenty nsinuto to 8. of the crown, parliament should be idtting, or, if not sit of 30 days after its next meeting. But this was the In of inhabiters themselves, who, though parliament met In November, and osatinued sitting mere than 30 days, neglected to lay the act of the colonial legislature, which had ream the royal mead in August, 1847, on the table of the house until April, 1848. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, the colony o f Jamaica, acting in dm , spirit of the a s o f t h e imperial legislature, bad passed an act admi tt i ng foreign refined sugar at a duty of 20s. m ewe Trintdad admitted sugar, refined or not re fined, at 55. the cwt., and St. Lucia at 16s. Bd. Then, he contended that, under the present resolutions, no sugar co ming from those colonies could be admitted into this country consistently with truth at the 13s. duty. (Hear, hoar.) Then as to the injury to the British refiner by the adraimaion of refined sugar from Holland, it was complained ' by the re liners that this mesaure of relief bad already raised the price of Dutch refined sugar from 2s. to 3s. a cwt., and I reduced the value of British refined sugar to the same amount. Witco it was known on Monday last that Dutch refined sugar could ;ems into w this country, a complete law cation came over the sugar trade here. Let the hosiers OW eider what was the position of the British refiner. A large quaatity of sugar had come in from Java and eleswhere, which, owing to the state of the law, could not be re fi ned here, but might be taken to Amsterdam, thin refined, and then brought here with the Dutch bounty on it to co chance h mpe ad te a gainst the sugar r efined in this country. What the British refiner under such circumstances hear.) lie proposed to submit an amendment in committee which, as it did not go to impose • higher rate of duty, the Speaker allowed might be put, though it wits a nice point ; hut he would submit it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether the best course would not be to withdraw the present bill altogether, and bring in new resolutions, upon which a proper bill might be founded ; toe no one could believe trial government knew s hoe de y were doing when they framed the resolutions the se had passed, anS by whi ili 40 serious a blow was inflicted an dee British refiner (hear, hear); tor if they did, what emir could they make foe keeping the trade and the country fa ignorance of the intention to make so great a change in elso law t But if minister s etfused to take that course, he was meowed to unmask a new battery against them (hear ( hear, d laughter); he was ready to open le new budget o f m inisterial blunders in respect to this measure. (Hear, hear.) He was in a position to prove that they had made as many as twenty. t b ree blunders in their cadi n hition of their scale of duties. (Cheers and laughter.) To make himself intelligible, he must ezplain that all the uifferent rates of duty wets based on the rides of duty leviable on muscovado- muses lode sugar, to use a railway expression, was the datum line of the calculation. Molasses were taken as at 371 Per lin e - of the value of muscovado,i white elayed at one-sixth, high refined at one-third, and double r,fined at one half higher than muscovado. With the first schedule, lie had no fault to find ; but when he came to the second, that was, the duties to be levied on the sugar of other British possessions than those where foreign sugar was not excluded, ne found that the amount fixed by the scale was It. 35. 4d. whereas it ought to be 11. 3s. 7d. In the meet item, single refined sugar, in the first four columns there was no mistake, he supposed, because those columns referred to old duties, and required no calculation, but in the fifth column, the duty for the year 1852.3, the amount stated was 155., while the proper amount, takin muscovado as the basis of value , would be 155. 42., he next year, 853-4, the duty in the schedule was set g ow n at les 2d., instead of 145. Bd. Then en white clayed sugar for 18,52-3, the duty stated in the schedule was 13s. 3d., instead of 13s. sd. ; for 1853-4 it was 12a. 6d., while it ought to be 12s. 10d. In the duty re mo lasses in the first column for 1848-9, that which was charged ought to be 6s. for the next year it was Si. 3d. instead of 5 .. bd. • for the third it was 4s. 9d. instead of 41. 114 d. ; for the four th 4,4 d. instead of 4s. 6d.; fur the fifth, 41. Id., instead of 40 4d. ; for the sixth, 1853.4, it was 31. 11d., instead of 4a. lid. (Hear, hear.) On double re lined sugar in the third schedule the duty set down for the year 1862-3 was 195., it ought to be 19e. 6d. ; for 1863-4 it was 17s. while it ought to be 18 s. (Hear, hear.) He was surprised ministers could not obtain the assistance of persons sufficiently conversant with common arithmetic to calculate these duties with !Something like correctnem. (A laugh.) In the same schedule and for the same year the outy stood for 1b52-3 at 16s. bd., it should be 17s. ed. ; for 1852-3 it 4848 155. 3d., while it ought to stand at 165. Here was a diffe rence of Hid. against the British refiner. Then in the arti cle of white clayed, for 18,52.3 the amount set down was 14s. 92-, instead of 150. 2d.; and for 1853-1 it was 13s. 2d., instead of 14s. The same irregularities existed in the hon. member for Westbury's pet scale-the " brown clayed ;" and gre it, as had been sometimes said, it was the nature gen of stnem to be irregular, the honourable - tleman had certainly succeeded. (Hear, and a laugh.) 6s. I Id. ought to have been 6s. 4d., 55.4 d. eught to have been ss. 94., 4s I Id. ought to have been ss. 3d., 4s. 6d. ought to have been 4s I Id., and, in the szth column, 4s. Id. ought to have been 4s. 7d. Now, that was the sum total, making 23 errors-(bear, heart and he would ask whether it was too much to expect of the governm ent to throw out aeogether this horribly . blunderior piece of legislation, and frame fresh resolutions in accordance with the intentions of parliament and the legislature ? (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, as it would be extremely difficult to go through an the various points touched on by the noble lord, he would answer them one by one as they arose in committee. Mr. GOULBURN thought that, before they went into committee, it was absolutely necessary to know the plan the government meant to primose, because, if it should involve an Increase of the existing duties it might be necessary to go int* a committee of the whole house. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the map alterations intended were • reduction of certain duties respecting refined colonial Bulger, and the correction of some inaccuracies respecting foreign refined sugar. Mr. DISRAELI considered the statement of the noble lord exce e dingly clear. le;sh o wed such an agglomeration of MOT in this bill, that he really did not think they should go into committee without evincing their want of confidence in an administration that could produce a measure so saturated with mistakes. (A laugh.) Mr. CARDWELL also pressed forgexplanation, on the ground that if they were thwatisfied with the hon. gentle man's explanations in committee they would have no remedy. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the whole subject was matter of the purest detail, and that if his expliviitions were not satisfactory it would be compe tent for the hon. gentleman to move that the chairman re. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—PRIMAT, JOLT 21. The Braissi tookß IV e chair at I o'clock. P th ATE BUBINEB4. 'REOOND READlNoB.—Jeascies state;E Marlborough pottage Chapel; RUM. rustic BusiNEss. COMMITIT.E.—Sudar Duties MIL. NOTICE OF NOT oN._Cis,.sr PT PRACTICZA AT ELECTI , ITA BILL. — In committee on t ie hMU, Mr. ANSTEY to move that the City of Lou don be included in t schedule. NEW MEMBER. for LOrd GROSVEN took the oaths and his seat as memb er the cit y of Chest OR er. NORTH CHESHIRE ELECTION. The following members were sworn as • committee to try the merits of the petition against the late return for North Cheshire, Lord Courtenay, Sir D. L. Evans, Mr. Mangles, Mr. S. Herbert, and Col. Bolder°. STATE OF IRELAND. Lord J. RUSSELL--I rise to give notice that I propose, at 12 o'clock to-morrow, to ask fur leave to bring in a bill to empower the Laid Lieutenant, or other chief governor or governors of Ireland, to apprehend and detain, until the Ist March, 1849, such person or persons as he or they shall sus pect of conspiring against her Majesty's person or government. IRISH POOR LAW. Major BLACKALL asked whether the committee appointed to inquire into the working of the Irish poor law had as yet made any report. Sir 0. GREY unde rstoo d that the inquiry was finished, as far as the north of Ireland was concerned ; and that the committee was about to comments* with the south. ENGLISH WORKMEN IN FRANCE. Lord DRIJ hILAN RIO said he had sometime since asked whether any steps would be taken to obtain the deposits of English workmen from the French savings banks. He wished to know whether any correspondence had been re ceived from Lord Normanby on the subject, and, if so whether it would be laid on the table. H.e had been told that a correspondence between Lord Normanby and the French government had been commenced, and would soon be concluded. lie wished to know now whether any di rec t appeal would be made to the French government so as to have the matter settled in a manner at once honour able to the French nation and beneficial to the English workmen 1 84 0. GREY said that if the noble lord bed given notice of his question, his noble friend at the head of the foreign department would have been present to answer. Various communications hail been made to the successive govern ments of France, but ho was ant in • position to state that the negotiations had been brought to a satisfactory conclu aion. All be could say at present was that the French government had prom is ed that the matter should be at- THE COLONIES. Mr. HUME salted. pursuant to notice, whether the colo nists sat the Cape, at Van Diemen" Land, and in other colo nies were to have any representative assembly granted to them, and for which they bad frequently petitioned ? Mr. HAWES said that as regarded the Australian colo• nies, a bill had been prepared for the purpose of being sub milled to the colonists for their opinion. With respect to the Cape, his hon. friend was aware that some time since a memorial had b. en sent from that colony to the Colonial efficsi, which was looked urns with favour by Lord Stanley; but subsequently the colony had been in volved in a state ou of of war, which rendered it impossible to consi der any questi the sort. However, it appeared from the last despatch of Sie H. Smith that peace had been re-established, and that that officer would now turn hi. attention to the establishment of a represen tative form ot government. Respecting Van Die-' men's Land he had no answer to give at present. Mr. V. SMITH wished to know when certain despatches] of Sir H. l'ottinger, referring to the affairs of the Cape of ' Good Hope, would be laid on the table. They had been, as he had understood, refer red to the Audit Board. He wi shed to know when Use house would be in possession of the Audit Board's observations ? Mr. HAWES said that the correspondence was very voluminous. lie could i•ot fix a time for their pro luction. BISHOP OF GLOUCESTER'S ESTATE. Mr. HOESMAN said that a sale was about to take place of the Bishop of Gloucester's estate, and there was an im pression abroad that such sale was to be carried out in a m inner inconsistent with the order of the ecclesiastical com missioners. tie wished to know whether the noble lord at the head of the government would postpone the gasetting of the sale until inquiry had ;ACII made Lord J. RUSSELL said it would be necessary to make inquiry before he answered the hon. member's question. Mr. 0. DENISON, as a member of the ecclesiastical corn • mission, was anxious to know whether he was to understand that the sale was to be suspended until inquiry had been made ? Lord J. RUSSELL could only repeat the answer he had given to the bon. member for Cockermouth. DUTIES ON FOREIGN CORN. Mr. STUART wished to know whether government had taken the opinion of the law officers of the crown on the qu estion of the duties levied on foreign corn imported s the Ist March for home consumption ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had given no opinion on the aulject. METROPOLITAN POLICE. Sir D. L. EVANS asked whether it was proposed to make any augmentation of the rates for the support of the metro politan police t Sir G. GREY said he did not believe there would be any votes in the estimates for the support of the police. There would be no augmentation, but certainly no reduction. Ile would give a more detailed answer on a future day. HIGHWAYS BILL. Sir J. DUCKWORTH asked whether it was intended to proceed with the Highways Bill this session ? Sir G. GREY—It WAS not POSTAL ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE UNITED 8 f AT ES. Mr. HUME, referring to the information received by albs last American mail, that the United States had passed a as. taliatory an on us, imposing a higher dut y on letters ewe- veyed in British Teasels, inquired whether the correspondeess on the subject would be produeed ? Lord PALMERSTON would examine the papers, sod give an answer on Monday. Mr. HUME wished to know if any negotiations were mo' going on between the United States and this country on the subject of postal arranoements The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied Met negociations had been kr some time and were still = between the British gover nment and the American on the subject. Mr. M. GIBSON understood the complaint of the Untied States to be that • duty was levied here on letters breedht l i by American packets. This was naturally objected to os the ground that no service was performed to justify the charge. He trcsted government would consider that as the establishment of the American line of packets was of great advantage to the trade of this country, and that SS the more frequent the postal communication the better, anything which should tend to prevent that communication, either b by means of the American or British packets, could not but injurious to British interests. THE REVOLUTIONS IN ITALY AND FRANCE. Lord PALMERSTON , in answer to Mr. Ansley, maid he had no objection to the production 'AM* correspondence as to ' the claims of Mr. Milo on the French Government, but has ing examined the papers on the euhject of th en ans found in actions which had tak n place in the Italian states, them so much of a confidential nature, that in the present state of affairs in that part of the world, and seeing that her Majesty's government might be culled upon to interfere by negotiations as mediator in the transactions now going on, he found th it it would not be to the advantage of her Ma jesty's service or the interests of those countries to lay those papers on the table of the house. (Hear.) MR. O'CONNOR'S LAND COMPANY. Mr. O'CONNOR, in consequence of the aspersion, which had been cast on his character in reference to his con nexion with this company, wished to state that, after the fullest investigation by the committee. the accountant had found that, independent of his personal and travelling ex penses incurred in respect to the company, there was a sum of 3,2001. due to him. (Cries of " Order, or ier.") If he was Interrupted he should move the adjournment of the house. (Oh, ano cries of " Order.") The SPEAKER said it was not competent for the hon. member to refer to the proceedings of a committee which had not yet made its report. Mr. O'CONNOR had to complain that in all other eases the report of the committee was presented on the day It was m ade. (Order.) What he wis hed to ray was, that the com mittee had that day come to an unanimous resolution, after the fullest investigation, absolving him from the charges which had , een brought against him. SUGAR DUTIES BILL. The order of the day for the committee on this bill having been read, Lord G. I3ENTINCK proceeded to contend against the position taken on the previous evening by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the hon. member for Westbury, that the British Possessions Act of 1846 over-rode all acts of the colo , nial legislature in reference to duties imposed on imports. Whether he looked at the acts of the imperial legislature, the 9 & 10 Viet., cap 94, or the speech., of the supporters and opponents of that measure, it was plain that it was in tended to confer a power on the colonies to repeal prohibitory duties, or to remove duties imposed by the imperial legisla ture for the purposes of protection. Mr. Goulburn, in the discussion on the act of 1846, observed " that they were called upon by that bill to give up the great imperial principle that the trade of the colonies should be regula'sd by the mother country ," and the Chancellor of the Exchequer answere d " that it would be most unjust for the colonies to be exposed to protection against them while protection in their favour was taken away. The noble lord (J. Russell) also said " that haying established free trade as a general principle, and made certain exceptions in the application of that prit ciple for the sake of revenue, we should treat our colonies as we would wish to be treated ourselves, and not insist on the maintenance of any protective duty as against the colonies which they might think unnecessary or injurious to them. The best course, therefore, was to give our colonies as much power as possible in respect to such matters, and to treat them as ourselves" How could it then be contended that it was never intended by the act of 1846, to give power to the colonies to remove any restriction imposed upon their trade for the benefit of the British refiner ? (Hear, hear.) If the act of 1846 had not passed, he admitted that the 63rd clause of the British Possession , Act would have over-ridden any act of the colo nial legislature; but the act of 1848 expressly empowered the colonial legislative authorities, with the consent of her Majesty in council, to repeal any customs duty, so far as the mama might affect them. In this case the only informality was, that the act of the colonial legislature had not been laid before parliament within 30 days after it received the anent port progress. Mr. M. GIBSON controverted the idea of the noble lord the member for Lynn, that the heading of the colonial scale of duties was incorn et, and that the importation of foreign sugar was not prohibited at Jamaica. But that error, if error it were; must be completely nugatory . , because the colonial act was ruled by the act of the impenal legislature. If the noble lord bad given a deeper consideration to the subject he would have found that the heading of these wales of colonial duties was perfectly accurate. After a few words from Mr. BERRIES the house went into committee. On the let clause being proposed, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the bill was not open so the chsrges of inaccuracy which the noble lord so lavishly direc ted against it. As to what the law was he had never entertaintd the least doubt ; but the noble l o rd having on Wednes day last stated that the customs had demanded the payment of a higher rate of duty from parties importing Jamaica sugar than was legal, be tent to the chairman of the Board of Customs, and found from him that no such de. mend bad been made, and that the entry of no sugar bad been refused. The general wording of the bill before the house clearly expressed the condition upon which the sugar of any particular colony was entitled to admission here at the lowest rate of duty, and that condition was the prohibThe i tion of the import of foreign sugar into that colony. reason for that was stated in a letter from Mr. Deacon Hume to the Treasury in 1839, in which be "It is well known that the object of the prohibition is to prevent these colonies in which sugar is produced from being made the medium of a fraudulent transit of foreign sugar, as the produce of those of colonies, into this country." Accordingly, when the power a d m itti n g sugar from the East India provinces was conceded, a distinction was made, and it was c ontained in the present bill, as to the rate f duty on sugar from colonies from which the importation of foreign sugar was not prohibited. The sugar imported from such colonies was therefore nada liable to pay a higher rate of duty, because they did not pro hibit foreign sugar; consequently the condition on which the lowest rate of duty was demanded upon sugar imported from our colonial possessions was that the importation of foreign sugar into such colonies should be prohibited, and this was done with the view of preventing foreign sugar being fraudulently imported here through those colonies. Now that was the case before the passing of the last British Possessions Act. In 1839 the question was raised whether foreign sugar . refined in England was or was not to be con sidered as British produce, and the decision of the overn• ment WAS that it was British produce, and as such ad mixsible into the colonies. But lest any misapprehension should arise upon the subject. in the British Possessions Act of 1845, which was introduced by the right hon. gentleman oppoeite (Mr. Gladstone), and which was the existing act, in the pro hibition clause there was a special exception of sugar not being refined in bond in the United King dom and it was impossible, therefore, that any colonial law could affect that prohibition. If the British possessions Act were repealed, that sugar might come in ; but it was distinctly provided that the im portation of foreign sugar was prohibited into all the West India islands, and it was necessary that it should be so to allow them to send their sugar here at the lower rate of da ndy. BARELY referred to the parliamentary papers of 1 1846 to show that foreign sugar . was practically admitted into all the British West Indies in violation of, and though alleged to be eicluded by, the British Possessions Act. (Hear, hear.) That was the real question to consider—which was simply one of fact. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the question was rather what was the law. The hon. gentleman quoted re• turns to show that foreign sugar was imported into Barba does, Demerara, and other of our West India colonies in violation of the British Possessions Act, but the fact of that importation did not prove its legality. The hen. and learned gentleman having quoted several acts on the subject. con tended that any and every colonial act in opposition to the British Possession Act must be null and void. Mr. CARDWELL said that the confusion which had oc curred on this subject might have beau obviated if the atten tion of the parties concerned had been called at the proper time to the change which had been made in the schedule by the Jamaica legislature. Mr. WILSON said that the act did not come into opera . lion until the 12th of this month, and as early as the 15th t warrants were prepared in oonformity with the sat of puha , meet, and he dui not think that much interference to the I trade had taken place. t Lord G. BENTINCH assured the house that he knew I --------------...-------------- c in which considerable inconvenience had occurred. The I was considered the outside difference, and for himself h se into the colonies I believed that 10e. was much nearer the trutb. real qunti" wee-W" the mg"' imported it id After a few wo as u or was it not ? It was known that it was, and that pa I' from Lord 0. BaNTINCI. and al the duty. How then could any man be cal . led upon . to pre- I Mrthgeoe in explanation, On dutr of 181. was substituted * g II co u nt warrant stating that his sager was imported into tibia foe 19s. 6d. In the next item 6s. wan substituted f or contry from count* a into which foreign sugar was not im- q l7 u s e . n ed o. ., of a so ad m c:r:es sec po u n rse din i g es ch aii ang d m mist we a re . m o :Li n n e :e i v t er s e tte hi ported ? How cou'd perliameat pees au act that would lead other items up to a certain point, beyord which, it coom. I to warrants hearing falsehood on the face of them ? a I we T re he ca upon to state was that the importation of foreign On the motion of Mr. Ca aDWILL the bill we committed A IIud TTORN EY GENERAL said that all that parties bill, the committee did not proceed. of the EXCHEQUER said 1 1 . 0 b sugar into the colonies was prohibited-not that it was not proforma, with a view to its being reprinted • thechairman 1 the difference oetween what reported sad the house resumed. ' Mr. BARELY hoped that the Chancellor of the Emi t . e Nasinftblesheton."'moved that after the words quer would bring the bill under the consideration of te., i was m id. P° l r r a . te w o d a o nd u lt L wh is w a v u t ß 4 I c Britishthere posses- ins house ho l ose he as c s H oo A n N at poe va lib o te ß . I sated " "growth u or mu p i r d lufe , im o Ani f B um eitiii m h , , done." o ix*lrmi r any ot e h n e B r " would do so, bat it could not be brought Mtwara on Monday, a I Alter a desultory convenation, in which the Chancellor Lurd J. RUSSELL said th at he had given notice et - • s a I of die Exchequer, Mr. Gladstone, and other members measure of great importance tor to-mnrrow (Smurdayo with 1 I joined, the committee Melded on Mr. Goulburn's amend- which he should feel it necessary to proceed without fee or delay. (Hear, hear.) I meat. 1 1 Fer the amendment 1 Against it 73-45 On the motion that the hones resolve itself into . I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the re rose mittee of supple, a coo, Ito propose an alteration in the duties levied upon fined Mr. KEOGH rose to bring forward the motion of which sugar, and referred to a question which had been put by the he had given notice two months ago, relative to the 1 non. member foe laomiuster (Mr- tinkly), who had en mode of striking the jury in the ease of t e e n pressed his belief that these duties were not fixed fairly in Mitchell:, and said that the intuit which had b een proportion with the duties levied on muscovado sugar. . If offered to the Roman Cathcl;c population, was ag gro . this were so, it woubl be producti ve of a p ractical objection. Yates by the circumstances in which that criminal - was But this was a question which referred only to one Part of involved, for it showed , ho wever clear the cam spi net bo o 1 the duties ; for it was notorious that the colonists did not that the Roman Catholic population of Ireland were ec e; o ' refine, a nd unless there was a permission to refine in bond sidered as unworthy to be treated even when feting 'rod no col onial' relined sugars would ever he used in this country, the solemn obligation of en oath. The mode of select After a full inquiry into the subject he was of opinion juries was theoretically the same in Ireland as in selecting that the duty on refined gege n had always been the law under which they were chosen being m e l ee "; peen the high-that was, assuming that the same namely, the 3rd and 4th of Will. IV. But he was pree mi e amount of duty should be paid on sugar which was to prove that in etiry transaction connected with the case of refined as would have been paid on the raw sugar refined John Mitchel, now a convict in II rounds, from the original not in bond. With regard to the admission of Dutch sutler, selection of the e , anel to the time of trial in the bee, thee* it had always been held that any article manufactured in a had been a grs itivm sit toe due adminioration of country should he taken as the produce of that country, let lice. (Hear, hear.) And, first of ali, he logoted to call the it be grown where it might. England had always insisted, attention of the house to the sect that in Ireland the sheriff, in every case in which she had "the most favoured nation" w ho was appoint te dby the crown, had the striking el e c l au se, on the admission of our manufactures witaout re- jury . list. 'the prmtice was di ff erent in this coact and ference to the place whence the raw matere I had been pro- particularly in the City of London. The names of those who cured. he The matter had beed 1035 in this emote) were the toas jurors were collected in a book called on e very question of the en adon argu voion in of foreign sugar re- jurors qualified ' book for t the city of Duelist. It so happened e m e fined in this counts) to the West India possessions ; and the the jurors' book for the present year contained 4,570 maim decision then was, that, no matter where the sugar was Of these 2,965 were Roman esthetics, and 1,635 were pro. grown, it must be held to have become the produce of this testanta. There wr est therefore more than two &man country,. and was so admitted into the West India colonies. esthetics for every protant in the jurors' book. From that This principle was most distinctly laid down ; aid he had. book it was the duty of the sheriff to select such therefore, not thought it necessary to re-enact an exclusion a number of names ae would be sufficien. to which it was impossible to maintain. He now proposed that try all the offenders during the commitsion. la the tate of duty at which foreign sugar came into this counts, this particular cam the oneriff selectee 150 names, should be the same as that at which the same sugar was in- which selection was made by the sheriff versoually, troduced here to be refined. Two objections were raised to and not by ballot ; and it followed that more than this-one by the refiners', who complained of the Dutch 4tol of the jurors selected were pretentious. There bounty ; the other by the shipping interest, on the pound of was something very singular about this. Hy the set the navigation laws. But there was no ground for sa ying of par li a ment the sheriff, when he selected the panel , was that the Dutch refiners had any advantage from their bound to Mon it, and the summonses was obliged to summon bounty over the English refiners, who were al- the jurors an days before the trial. Now the , trial or Kr . lowed to refine in bond. A proof of this was Mitchel took place on the 20th. Some jurors were sure the fact that the Dutch refiners had applied to their moned on the Ilth, some oil the 13tb, and when those sum. government to be allowed to refine in bond. As to the mon on the last day came into court it was found that they navigation law', their operation would er obably only be for were not on the panel for Mr. Mitchel's trialatall. Nowell* another year, _and they would not cause a difference ot above Is. a cwt . (Hear, hear.) The only other party who could complain was the West India producer ; and, from the in en the 13th that Mitchel was arrested, met ho inference, there fore, was, that either a new panel had beet subsituted, or the sheriff had not igned that erem which th jure* wi le formation he had received from a variety of sources, he was selected. (Hear, hear.) Umie Mitchel's Mid, , a eta ement "maned to believe that the proceeds of the foreign gape was made by counsel in open f ourt, wnieh he was bound to refined in bond paying 20s. duty would be rather above say would have h.d its due weight in ttis country. It was les ; hence the colonist would have the same protection said, openly and unreservedly, that the brother of the attor against the foreign sugar refined here in bond as he had Wet foreign sugar generally. It wax Mee to be obterved , r w r i y th ge th n e er that the greater the proceeds of the refined sugar the higher i s: au to! I T re u . e and, who acted as clerk, had tampered high sheriff eas examined as to the preparation of the pat el. His mowers were anything but utie duty would it have to pay. He proposed, then, to reduce the t a -oory. lie said, to the best ei• his belief, it was regularly duty on oolooial double-refined sugar from 19s 6d. to 18s., prepared, that it was prepared before the 13th, and that it and on sinelohn fined from 17s. 4d. to 16s. In this case, as was all prepared in one day. But the under sheriff, in to in that of the foreign sugar, it would make lit , le difference to examination, contradicted all this. That gentleman sail the Owner of the sugar whether he paid the duty on it in the that he prepared the lists, and that its preparation occepiei raw or refined state. By these means he hoped to extend him two da os. Two gentlemen were selected to inquire the consumption of sugar , and at the same time to consult the whether the jurors were (aide chosen or not. They decided interests of the colonists. He proposed now to take the reductions of 19s. 6d. and 17s. 4d. to 18s. and 16s„ and also those in the first column. In the third column be ad mitted there were soma inaccuracies, though nit to such an extent as was imputed by the noble lord; and he should take that tbey were, and the sheriff further stated that they were selected for their superior wealth and respectability. Well, what followed ? It turned out that of the whole 150te the panel only 28 were Roman cmholies ; that, in Owen% 78 names only four were of that faith, and that all the time to consider the effect of these more fully. lie now rest were put at the bottom of the lista. (Hear, hem) Bat moved the reduction of 19s. 6d. to Its. it would be said that this was accidental, and that the sheedfs Mr. GL lay contended that the government had i m p ar tiality was not impugned. He would, however, state no right to lay down the principle that sugars should only a fact which would prove that the arrangement could oat be regarded according to the country of their manufacture, have been accidental, or as some alleged alphabetical. Than and not that of their production. He questioned whether were two jurors in Dublin named Moore. both resident ix Hold was entitled to have her sugars refined in the East the same street. carrying on the same basins , and being d Indiesi admitted on the same terms as those refined in Bel- equal respectability. One wa s a protestant, the other we i gium. A country had a right, if it chose, to take a duties quieseed in by us. There were also traces of it in our own a catholic. The name of the protestant Moore was 12th es ; t o h n e I t h he t, trial of Frost, it having been antic d that a panel we laws. By the act of 1832, sugars refined in •England from arran ged a lphabetically, objection was teken to it, note ' Lion founded on the place where the article was produced that of the Roman catholic Moore was placed N 0.121 that distinction had been taken by ether countries, and ace How differently were not things conducted in England? colonial sugar were made admissible to the North American being evidence of partiality, but as blog unusual. Lord colonies free of duty, while those sugars refined from foreign Campbell, who appeared tor the crown, acquiesced ate sugars were subjected to a duty of 10 per .cent. Again, bI objection, and the names were put into a ballot box sad the 5& 6 Viet., c. 47, the manufactures of the Channe drawn by lot. Very different was the conduct of the !s a d Islands made of foreign materials were deemed the produce Attorney General upon the trial of Mr. Math& Us of foreign countries, and held to be imported from such like Lord Campbell, he made no attempt to testes couneries. 'I herefore, if we recognised that principle as the balance. On the contrary, having and exercising then* against ourselves, we were perfectly entitled to do so with of peremptory challenge, he cha ll enged, out of 71 jams regard to foreign countries, in the way proposed by the who attended, no less than 39, of w hom eighteen wee th n oble lord. Roman caelics, lied they were the only Recoil cathodes Mr. CARDWELL deemed it necessary to a t h oroug hwho answered to their names. Let him observe, in noise, apprecia. ion of this subject that the committee should have that this right of peremptory challenge was a very arbitrary some knowledge of the conditions and circumstances under one. It was condemned by Sir Michael O'Leghles, te which government proposed that refining in bond was to be present Lord Chancellor Brady. lie (Mr. Keogh) wee not carried on; and of this information they were destitute. In anxious that partisans on any side should be chosen, bet le the proposed reduction of duty from 19s. 6d to 18e. every- asked the government to give one sufficient resins whythse thing depended on the accuracy of the calculatio7 a ; 1 f -or io eighteen Roman catholic" had been set aside. Be had sash unfortunately, a mistake were made, the consequences' every ioquiry, and he wee prepared to state that ten oat d would be WOE ruinous to th e refiners of this country , . owing the eighteen were totally unconnected with political Imo* to the intimate way in which the question was mixed up tions of any kind. (Cheers.) lie now came to the moot with that of the Dutch refiners. He thought that longer serious part of the case. If there had been only cee time ought to have been given to consider the trial it would have be en bad enough, but it hap alteration now proposed. He had understood the pened that there had been four juries smack Wes impression amongst practical men, as to the Ms. Eld• that to which he had been alluding. Two wet and 245. Sd. on foreign sugar, to he, that the alteration the juries for trying Messrs. O'Brien and Meagher, and two would operate unfavourably towards our own trade. were struck to try Mitchel for sedition, hut that charge we d . Not only oughtthe committee to be in possession ado cad n when the conviction for :deny was struc k off i loathe lx of the ca l cu lations whence these results were d ra wn, but the case of Mr. O'Brien, of the twelve jurors be they should also know what regulations it was proposed to the croAn te were Roman of est them con meter lice, l men of th any Feb' bigkeg apply to the trade of the refiner. Would the Chancellor of respectabilityn , and not one al ed wi tee Exchequer have any objection to lay the calculations tied association . lie would contrast this with what lel before the committee ? 'The reduction on colonial refined taken place at Mr. O'Connell's trial in 1844, a ems wbickload sugar would be inoperative for a considerable time ; and so much excited the anger of hon. and rightenn. endorses before the reduction from 265. Etd. to 245. M. on toren opposite. On that trial ten Roman catholic.; were Wra# s re ll e a r r r . ed tte house ought to have the information he ha from the jury list by the crown, but of those, eight were se. '' mitted to be members of the Repeal Association, the math Mr. BARELY said the duty of 245. Bd. on refined was ands igned the requisition for the monster meeting ATM equivalent to • duty of 18s. 6d. on raw sugar. Refining in and the tenth was struck off without knowledge of his MO bond might be an excellent thing for the colonies in proem Rion to make up the necesiary legal number. (Homeliest) ot timemeanwhile care must to. taken of our own Now, there was no lemon why the noble toed M the heeid refinere, and they must not be exposed to the competition of the government should not look at these matters in then* the Dutch refiners. It had been strongly argued that the light in 1848 as he had done in 1814. (Rear, hear.) Is Dutch bounty was no advantage to the refiners of that ooun- that year (1844) the noble lord said, that the conduct of * try ; but he knew that in foreign countries the British re- government Mt striking off the ten Roman catholic" eel finer was every year more unable to enter into competition such am to deprive the legal proceedings ot all moral weigkt with his Dutch rivals. It was a remarkable fact, that since or value, (Hear, hear.) When a motion was then mstle the alterations proposed had been made known some api • hostile to the government, the noble lord paired in favour of talists in the City had been stimulated to subscribe 70,0001. it, although he had not herd the case or the jentifiesties. tor resuscitating the Dutch refinery of M'Queen and Co. Why wasnot the noble lord then in his place ? (Hem, heed This could not but inflict a great injury on the British He had been there that evening to propose his third cow* refiners as well as on the colonists. bill against Ireland. (Loud cheers.) tie would wisest' Mr. J. WILSON mid the question was simply whether a his /Mice to proceed with that bill, although ashen mon* duty of 245. ted. on reined was equivalent to a duty of 20s. and a hall in office, he had declared that he menly on raw mem. Formerly, them duties hld been levied on Ireland without goveraing it ; and yet when Mel: no principle whatever. Government had taken great pains under discussion was a direct insult to the cede& to ascertain the exact pr. duce of a hundredweight of sugar, people of Ireland, it was not deemed of sad* and the result of their inquiries was, that the duties which importance to detain the noble lord. (Hear, hear.) illt they proposed to fix on foreign single and double-refined right hen. baronet the seeretary tor the home deputes* sugr of 26. 88. and 24. Bd. s , were exactly equivalent to also gave his opinion on that occasion in concur** elk the d'uty of s s 20s. on the raw u gar. The subject of the that of the noble lord. But that was not all. Vedeesale* bounty said to be enjoyed by Dutch refiners had been bees of the government had, in 1844, express= imported into this discussion ; but he considered that it opinions in Dublin rel ative to the striking of Mr. was /quite ' _beside the question before the committee. jury. Without twenty four ho against the of the* , and only applied to the 'agar refined for home consumption. attorney-general, and among the foremost names ta 111! . 1 hat point had long ago been reached ; and hence the requisition were those of the present Master of the WOOS Dutch refiners bad petitioned the government to be allowed the present Attorney-General. (Cheers.) There wasehet* to refine in bond, as was done by the English refiners. The name of Mr. Redington, the present underasereenteo lli woe of the Dutch refiners referred to by the bon. member Ireland-be was glad to see that his rioht hon. hiseletee who had last spoken bad no reference whatever to this gun- chief secretary repudiated the cocnemon. (Chests I*. lion ; for the arrangements had been made three weeks be- laughter.) The kon. and learned member quoted the WO* fore the government plan was known. The right hon. of the right hon. the member for Dungarvan, on the WOO gentleman opposite (Mr. Gladstone) had correctly laid down alluded to, exhorting the people to memorialise the c, the principle that we were entitled, on entering into treaties, both houses of parliament mail* what the speaker styling to make what conditions we chose ; but it should he remem- unconstitutional and illegal conduct of the govereaMA bered that the question referred to a treaty already in exist- Mr. Wyse, the late Secretary to the Board of Control,* nee- t ot one about to be made. With respect to the naviga- spoke, and asked what would be void in England if per,/ tion laws, he held in his hand a price current of Cuba, b 1 were struck off the jury because of their religious opieireei which he found that the difference between the privileged and (Hear, hear.) But Mr. Redington, the Roman catholic* unprivileged flees amounted only to 15e. per ton, or 9d. per cretary for Ireland-he felt that it would be quite unwire! cwt. He denied that the British refiner would have any of the faith he professed, making it a matter of faith-Oleg. ground of complaint with the scale now propos e d. and a laugh)-that the course ministers were adopt* safety to Oa. Lord G. BENTINCK had heard the proposed reduction would bring neither credit to the crown nor m . on British refined sugar with great pleasure. This, accom- state. (Hear, hesr.) There was et y another name e oe emission to the colonists to refine in bond, mention, as that of a gentleman who was present at the cams partied with the pe rmission a for reland ( em) would be a great boon; but he regretted to hear that the meeting-the present Attorney-Generall . „ measure would occupy a long time in its preparation. He i When the motion brought forward by Lord NormanY was convinced, from the state m ent s made to him by an ex- the House of Lords condemning.the conduct of the go b s' tensive merchant, that the protection afforded by the nevi- meet of the right hon. Mivednna and in strikiprotestng R 391116 on five cathe* ga tion laws was equivalent to 2s. 6i , per cwt.; and he could off the jury was nectati, a u u y g e: i e t, : only account for the statement of the hon. member for West- was entered on the journals of the ho ae that protest, la bury, that the difference of rates at Havaunah was only 9d. that decision, the second name to ~,,. per cwt., by supposing that the parties who freigbted the for all the reasons, was " Clarendon." (Che u e u rs t .) o /I , uunrivileged ships, deceived by the large promiaes of our had grounds far stronger and more urgent th h coner when in °Pr' whio government, had supposed that their vessels would be of the members of the present govern ment _ . ~, ..,,, admissible here as soon es they arrived, owing to the natiga- tion in favour of this motion. Was there nothing ! e re tion laws having been repealed, He was led to the conclu- present condition of Ireland to warn the bowie mans: Ilene sion that the Dutch refiners would, by this means alone, en- mg, by any act of theirs, a belief in the minds of th . 111 OS joy a protection of 2s. 61. a cwt., beside' their bounty, which of that country that the law of England had been re ,`'. he must still regard as a bounty. He had in hie hand two them, not as a blessing and s , boon not as a law to oe s, but as a mein * specimens of Dutch sugar; one of these was at 235. in this mint itered impartially and eddy to all, . . . market on Saturday last, but which roseafter the oppression, •ol for the purpose of obtaining o prevent tan sr alteration pro posed by the government. The other sped- fraud and connirance-(ear, hear)-t ~ ..._ men had risen from 21e. 2d. in bond to 245. Bd. With re- cueed of p 'Mind offences from being trod Mine 2, gad to the Dutch treaty sod the assertion of the government juries impartially chosen, and to enable to l7ts that the Dutch were entitled to insist on the admission of secutor, while pretesting against pa . of mo l l IMO sugar re fi ned by them, though not the produce et their own favour of the prisoners to theme a jury _. ___ country, how was that to be reconciled with the fact that opinions are known to be adverse to him ? Thisht s ` e 7 . which tene the government, up to the 30th of May, were resolved to course Pursued in regard to the jury t . ve o r e / maintain the act of 1846, which contained a clause that the Mitchel . It was said that the object oes O MI nee ealth Why be had looked at the shipmaster or consignees of foreign vessels were to prove respectebility and w • , . . , „o n e dot that the sugar to be imported at the lower rate of duty was of the jury by which the prisoner WWI tried, army; _ ree Dona fide the growth and produce of the country from some of them had been bankrupt or insolvent withtmsfe; which it was forwards? (Hear, hear.) They dealt in that years previous. And lot these were men isleMe_ f e 7e manner with regard to Cuba, Porto Rico, Breen, and their wealth and respectability, while other me i n, 7 . °_ . ° ;;,. own Btish pomesmons and it was a most monstrous absur- men of undoubted wealth and mph _",,,a dices f or Holland to ex pect to be treated in • more favoured rejected. The right hon. gentlemen opmenteuhea‘emooreee,r manner than their own possessions. (Hear, hear.) their plaices by the cry that they would eia reland unless moo* Mr. MITCHELL thought that the noble lord had greedy to any measure of coercion fee _I , measure. ~....0., exaggerated the difference of freight ceased by the navista- by great and sweeping remedial rrxioieoe tion laws when he made it 21. 10s. He believed that 255. ever excuse there ought have in 18 16 iltlenee to Mr. KE that is uot Sir G. C Mr. KI bon. berm explain w Sir G. ( 1841, at a Dillon Br was pull! (Kr. K'c in the gal but it w report t repeal tl Browr.e Mr. D Br to which the house learned g speech h approbati fighting hon. and Lord Mel thor say will not posing st welfare gentleme the oeiui Athlone tration of done by or with c of the sh he was al man wou tration o tion if In sherif f ft the chiel impugn! in estab partiall3 a consi over Mt place in which t bound ao in th a degre arrange charge they w ney-Gi solicit° P /