The Express. — London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Famtr, NlAucri 19. The IA)111) CRANCILLOR took big stet al 1 o'clock. PHESEN ECVLUILITICAL BILL.—IIy Lord MONT EAGLE, from a parish is Limerick, an Beat this bill. IiIIANT TO MATXOOTII.—Hy the Earl of CAItLISLE, from EJisbar l tlt, against the grant to Slaynooth, and all other Nat. ate. ..... TOWCY OY TIIE. COYERNMENT. The Dube et 111111WCASTLi tat, Meawe to notice, to present a petition tom tbet easunetvisl Association of Man chests. praying that the country may as speedily as pen eibk be relieved frees the state of anxiety and inspeme which at present so extensively prevails amongst all claws of the population as to the course of commenial policy laid, her Majesty's government propene. to 1141,.10i. The noble duke observed th.t as the petition was signed by m. n than whom nano were better titled to express opinions on all subjects of commerce, be felt it his duty to taffeta his sentiments upon it. They were men whom the noble earl, whether as a resident and a large pro:erietor in the district in which they lived, whe ther as a memh.,r of their lordslnps' how. e, or Al prime mi ni ter, would respect when they came before the house and exponent their opinions. What was this Manchester Anuciatson It was not a political body—not a body opposed is general in politics to the noble earl, but a body of mon combiued to promote the great interests of commerce—men differing gee atly in pol.tieal opinions on all questians except upon this point ; and men he believed who never took part in the proceedings of that house, or of the other house, and never tame belure parliament except in rsferenee to those matters in which they were peculiarly interested. Ile thought, tl.. retort., that their lordships wool I agree with him tha t souse deference was due to these persons when they came before them; and, however they might di , put. the competency of othertto judge on that mai jowl, they would attach some importance to the opinions of the petitioners. The noble duke read the petition, toe purport of which was that the petitioners felt called on to deprecate in the 'Longest manner any attempt at a reversal tit the commercial policy of the last few year.; that no recurrence to prenaretite duties could be permanent, and it could only kiwi to cooties.' and organised agitation. Tile position concluded by pray'sg that their lordships would relieve the country as speedily as po-sible front that state of enmity and suspense which at pre sent so ex tensitely prevailed amongst all classes of the population. Now, be trio tht be permitted to add his humble testimony to th.- truth of thoor assertions so far as his ta perielicu in his owes county, to which be lat lenred—a manufacturing and agricultural county—was cones rued. The noble earl seemed la doubt whether there could be any inconvenience to the agricultural interests, as the time rot wheat sowing and other operations of husbandry had passed over ; but there were other snort impectant matters, to which this suspense would cause the greatest mischief—not moiety as to the rents and contracts between landowners aim tenants, but he wen sure the noble lord would admit that the effect on the 'minas ul the farmers mid occupiers of this country would be each as was to he depreested—and if he could easily show that the agricultural Merest was injuriously affected by this inie.rta,nty, the saanufacturino sod commercial peva- 1 lotion was much usury so. His noble friend the Secretary foe Fortin Aff sirs was,no doubt, wcil aware that already, frees various puts of he continent, communications had been i,ccivcil of the an-chief arising from thi. state of us certainty. The noble earl appeared to doubt the statement, but he huh himself seen representations from Austria, and Denmark, all commanseiliug the mischief they appreli, :idea from this state of suspense of the operations of the trade of this country. He might be told that countries whose policy was so restrictive as that of Austria and Naples hid no mason to complain, but Denmark might stand on a different footing. But he was nut looking so much at the interests of thfts countries, as at those of our ow u country, which appeared to be stagnated by the enter. taluty which existed with regard to these measure,. He might be told, in the stereotyped sentencis which he had often seen propounded in addresses to electors, that this was a matter of indifferseee, because they could not lOC hostile tariffs with free imports. He thought it was as ea draialge fact that such was by no means an axiom, fee, however little might have been the reciprocity from other nation., there never was • time when so greet • relaxations of hostile tariffs bail taken Owe as during the prevalence of free trade opinions in this country. If inconvenience' was still felt, it was bet films the establishment of • system of free imports without say guarantee of reciprocity, but from the state of uncertainty which had existed on this subject for lbe last five or as years—(bear, hi arc) ; and it was in twaserience of the coursotakes by the noble tardiloo~~ veldts and hsa 3 gentlemen professing the same opiaioue ia IM Misr home of parliament that this case certainly elided. (Beer, beer.) It was not merely as to corn that lids weeertaisty prevailed ; it must prevail as to all other &r -elies et 1111111101 PM. He was glad to find that the right lea. gateleasa the Sauseasy be the Genies bed im mersed. he estabis pine, that a vie see his bilwelea =d H ebb males with a hie et whisk lie hid elan Naha he received lie appelsessest, fete empiaire of tie seals by which the sops duties bed Wa n = immeed ; but, aIrVITSNIMIN there nut haerrtainty se seek ea asireseadioa ss this; all tnatertaiuty that nest ems% prejueteially i and epi that mustileramts all the views sal speeulatiews ef es tads idol merchants. He would arst mast upon aayammgdma so le the policy or imuolicy of the MR kin; lent WOWS* my that he maintsised his *Wan tibia been greatly streogthi mid b what kid rate omega (Haar, hear) It was inpeseiNr es Mew what Hie dela et the country would be mess Febnisay, eblesegb etas ailed moo ; sad be dryesseenk for sews hyr masa% tbe air ti&•%St• of this eneertaisty, end of the encode new going ou. lie knew that the noble sari was &amens te see the routed skim* mad M kasw his pstrietien es well, thee he 1/40 sure be mail NOW to bobs seneasod cilia and quiet thee eleald Meal thee sellbeaset. (Hese. bear.) It wee neesemsy, dweelbee. to reseirre this name. Linty la most way, bett day swill penned in a satisfac tory moaner to the 1011•1611•61111 el obese serial questions and internal rearms whiek libe aside se* is the speech which he nab ea snorting ease, inane." it would be his hiemble duty to being fenny. He t he had • WOW. In dealing with this _sellfeet, to tare was of the melee earl himself at the bead of the anew meat, sad to mem that he was io a reeegaised aisielly la the Hesse of Cower. (Hear.) And be mid if theaddeast preeneeed la his delenekedea brim beveml memo of impselesaisaidadea. see el peados eirgeery, art teelai lat a semis ualtares is tbe ess.~ia of sad unpreeedented in her listing, end lb. aside mell " = be endangering la • meet swine wars arc the peinsiple of reprameaesiha gewersories. (Hear.) The real teeth wee, obit the eatillesof tbe present gamensaisat at this mo nad. es le wee sae the web earl would he the first to ad mit, was wee si swat anomaly. He denied that the noble earl had bees *sad into the ministry by anything that had extorted ; bet be saaitami that he eat ea tires beselise, if he might so say, by • right The prilea gee as sasmaly ; but what were the eireemeasiese under tibia be pt there ? He was at the bead a • knee per waft =lt and nothing meld bemire in assiedsseselib rules than to eon at tbe aside sales he= ea animists. the. Therefore, tbe aside sled hid seesieslia M mar ea for Isis polities: bed, swim lbs efeenwelegmem as tite la ßie took aim it wee en weensely. It was set however, for whisk the nabbed wee to blame. He himself with a minority n obi fume of Carresas. doubtful majority in that been. awl he wassailed Osi se the government up tee sands 'Vat. Int if this wee persimed n. the pee Neale vies timid we ea = easarlies, bee esseenedleilsed. The aside ad ea taking lase ibee, made. tbe eirsesesiesses cf We pa& ties being is a mlnerity la the ems bens mad • doubtful majority in des Wiser, he was obliged le throw himself as the kindness of his friends and the terbeerence of his enemies. The Earl of DERBY made some observation, which' was inaudible in the gallery. The Duke of NEWCASTLE was anion to correct !daw' if he had made any 'mistake. That was not a position is which a Piker Miwieter of this omintry should Mad. It was as appeal who as Prime Mister had ever made to parliament Msaws wad it was erne relish with his respect for the chivalrous of the adds earl, he did not believe he would ham been the stet r aide. (Rear, bear) Bet this was the emegesese ef the prides Widai he bad 'seasoned, awl whirl lhe was riedene M egged le hiss to rare ha_sm Mr es apeedig se bet le "Mei he rue semi se bag :ae le aa • Nord le any en Me Misr of the serstry without the eseddenes elide MOM MCoae.er (Rear, It apposed to his dot as leglelaties but that of real and isembele druid he atte li ns i T sad, if the 'able earl gesstion ef ems decided maw sure ot weal se Mar he reedesee adopted. He hod awe or twin enthel en dr JlM** eerier nor sures rust he pored t bet whet moswares were They, fitting therein" as oppeelden to the or, at any rate, net enpportlng Idagommamambati NMI of Hear, hear film. de aiettisstalheriss). debts lords were perfectly weisesse M the there shoe, M. a IM: y e wan not • couplets eased= of the nee reds —eo long as this was soy rernellen es the peint-re Mg r they read ebtele as deabeeden dna the rieirers, or from the headed Oho gmerrmiwati lbss art MIT restore the cure law weal webs seede—se keg hs admit that he wen is_ 'mold* to the peruser. (Cheery) The NAM bed Ibsen lure as non feeders epeurition from Mr Om the sidle lords who set sear him bed had tar the Mt the er year He MI given to the Me his eepport whearese he hit that be could y do se.' end he would de the a.. with the sable earl ; whilst there wee dip great era imporload difference of spleen between dim the amble bed the rodetartcr-Geessel red the *AO bed the !sweiga dere. tary might cheer Mt ; het nereelheler be sheeld eserider that be wren sppMt Mile pummel. Thus trorefely two measures were almaiuti IMISSILIZ—em VOW of supply and the Mutiny Act. I Ids ad cane down to the home and said that thire we seem erhseesse. VIM which it was imperative 01 pas, anti aa • filipellsiak minister he felt that he ought eel te eery on the mere rent of the country without cab a imanre—he was alluding to such a unsure, - itg Malranee, as the Militia Bill—he wee made* that the Babb and would meet with the readicst 1101111Millialla At MN time, as to the bill,he moot frankly seeds Matte looked with some Nan le • apriotimieso mash inowettmeMing mooted in Silliammed cad expiring peellemeel. (Hear, bear.) But rhea they went further, end etre to that most lapsrtaat measure, the NB he Chancery reform, he must say he thought the noble bed et tly.: head of the government, mad his 'able aed heroes! friend as the woolsack, would be greatly endangeeireg that most im portant awl ilesirahle IllealiOte f in the present state of the HMO of Commons it was laid i before them. A Pleasure of such mlgnkuile, in which so many interests were involved, geeld not be towidered fairly anti dispassionat.ly in a par- I likeliest not led by the gonensmont ; end hem the ottestioni given to other subjecta, mon particularly to their own elections, it was not likely each a measure would have the ealmeonsideratioa which ft rewired. But if the government intended to carry on the legislation of the country for two or three months he. this time, the noble earl cculd not forget that the Home of Commons, as well as their lord ships, might have duties to perform, and when he con sidered that it was in their power to insist on this point, he trembled when he saw the noble earl likely to bring on a quarrel between himself and his friends, the ger yenta of the Sovereign, and the representatives of the people. (Hear, hear.) A quarrel that might be sheet, hat, nevertheless, it would be followed by serious eaasgaenm And all this for an object, it seemed to him, if athlnahk, to be of the smallest tangible importance— (hear, hoer)—whereas, the importance of taking an oppo site some must be palpable on all sides. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl said, in his eloquent peroration, that one of !U Heeler against objects of his government would be to raise a against the innovation of democracy, and that he do. sired to maintain the prerogatives of the crown. Ho would so far se along with the noble earl; but he thought, so far from raising a barrier against democracy, he would be throwing down the barriers which already existed, and would be giving encouragement and facilities; for accom plishing that which the legislation of late years had tended greatly to reduce, if he persisted in his present policy. As to the prerogatives of the crown he would p slang with the noble earl to the utmost extent; but he thought he would be endangering the prerogativesof the crown if he ventured In this manner to oppose the wishes of a majority of the other house. He would now sit down with the ordinary motion, that the petition do lie on the table; and ho did most sincerely hope that the noble earl would be coabled, in the performance of his duty, to answer the question he should put to him, in a manner that would save a great deal of ill will in the houses of parliament and in the coun try. He begged to esk the noble earl whether he was ire pared to snare the house that her Majesty would be advised by him to dinolve parliament as quickly es possible, con sistent with a due regard to Lie public duties, sod to call a new parli iment as early ea the politic service might de• Assad ? (Hear, hear., The Earl of DERBY declined to enter into the merits of fres trade, or the general 'policy of her Majesty's government. But, said the noble earl, one observa tion, however, I must make with reference to • remark which hes fallen from him, in which he said he was quits sure that my noble friend near me, who was not theu in 1 his place, must be aware that venous countries in Europe had addressed the government. The Duke of NEWCASTLE—That was not what I stated. . . . fit;Earl of DERBY—Tim noble duke stated that he use quite sure (ruin the position of my noble friend he meet Lave had information of those alarms and apprehen dies being entertained. Now, I certainly thought I had been tolerably conversant with the various despatches and mmessaisetiew which he has received, and since the noble lielletee I have had confirmed by my noble fiend nelieved to be the owe, as far as the covers lOW is esneMsed—nanie)y, that no much representations as ass' supoinel by the noble duke have reached her Ma te government from Kay country. ( Ministerial cheers.) admit that the body is whose behalf the noble has promoted the petition this evening is eminently Itiand aw i e n i nne w n u a , petition, a respect nd Qa ta r i:so : i b ps eir a ctierse. the saw bras of parliament. But l Y must take the liberty of say inehat the petition—l don't know whether it was in the WM duke's hands before--but it bears date 'leveret days alimise to the last dismantle in this boom. I under stood Waite duke to say that it was entreated to bin the Onivakag day ; and, if so, the anxiety whisk W pending., hit might have been roitiestail by the espiessalea which wass via. (" Hear," end laughter from in opposition ) I am *dined M the male dam Atom adminim—ohet this is not on sasortointy messed wads Os ha few days or webs, bat, neseedlos to him It is an unesetainty which has afield the Now of trade, sot in cesnersesee of ths scesseint of the mesa ministry, but foe the last five or six years, end nut son tinue to prevail until a new parliament has been anseablcd. And yet during the whole of these five se sin years of feverish anxiety it never occurred to the noble duke or those he represents to put an end to that anxiety by putting an end to the question. (Loud miaisterial aboors.) I said the other day, and repeat it now, shed I en happy to think that, in consequence of the cheeps of yeesuent, that anxiety will be put an end to at as whiliar_peried than if the late government had enemies" ha Mee. (" Beer, hear," and laughter from the amid sell bombes) Al though I admit the natural desire that dile e•reiss should be set at rest, I cannot, in the theurimesed the opsestry, in the state of the publie essorisish er in my ham*. I can see of the national mind aid Wks& dad swabs that favours that anxiety and apprehension wash, eissahp W the no duke, exists in every dens of the ennimaity. I now repeat there are qmodens—end wakes a Ma mmal:ft, sae—with reined so whisk the gusset !prem ises% are aware that their efailltla IMO net dialed in by a nigerity of the ether home of pedimment, and I am not sets that they an shared by a rasketity of your lordships. I stated, all regard to those qpietions, that, Utley were premed forma as a division, the pstismmmt walls in • tatattlim, aid we "Weld Wm to sip, with regord dun gm the lobannoso oar appellants end the of oar bleeds I bat I di net state, end I will not Mk, that in snob misslions as the government *ink end proper se samltt, palandsat, thin Is any met os edemas, either Is this or in the ether home of yedismont, that ties ponortimont is in the maim of minneity. (.. Heir, hear " hum the sininerW benches.) Ide net deny the I=l on the business the of *wavy for Rosy hogingsd th • government usable to rely with esaltamat Oa support of a majority in the ether home; hat! slanalto year lordships the other day, smi I will sat wary yin by olpising it again, that I consider we are pissed in disasslssau be which we have to Wide between • belongs a Intesolonses and endlict dillsolties • end I ebb* Os Shim to the osantry is len Wm • t emporary cosionenss a the sziattai state Ihlzi c hea i r s wool* he Wm • psonellere and lessave- Wont of Os Wilma el the ohm hems. It met be the diowelion of the pomminont who per psalms they amide upon bell ihremod; sag dint Mariam they mlook Is the ansidsosthst et On house. lb, noble date mead net deny, mhos s witakitit Ys to ehbbe the sonfideme of the Be.. of Con. Otis. ins of gas ten alternatives, the mignation of his tin or s diriellsa—l mem* this seder existing dr. z ik a s e ila ssilpistirs idles h met that which will be spassldy mils leas oppodisos open • homer seer shits was sot IhnSillit we. rensisil of Sir B. ail thaly Issmodionne et a odd smoisis a ls ; 11 =s mid al& rail paw le he on Imps* of b il eM pmsoninsst. I Who noble Cubs eppits, se as be an dame 11, fiat se early solismat et the • pay of Ibis = tr ead es es* salisment of a dill poserpestle., who ore to be Os ass, end lobe ow hi is the whom na on whisk the posonneot a this s. sy mls he osnansted. Is • maws Mof lallhonoso, la kr on sally 'skim a whisk I on in on.* gs Ihe side duke opposite. I de not hid it essitent al l a i dsep to sew pow hail,' es to pew lionna plass aft sopa to the poodle ins w no wheal lt way dry Is wile to bee Ma =Ltiowebrambla arise at dimly* the psosest pikers's. ttteuess: d whislir e name a ltet dinsinion tror tray_p, be re Ihr em this to the sollo alis ibeho ls , l :2 ri..=:.4,,ni.er Pri."...... --- LVA.1. 1 41: place. Imy tbeit lam phi m 'Liens es b e that at dm ear** posible aled whisk I See, Is be he was.. rossary t the smatuy *sad hews se "pr of its opinion sied ir d i=ho open mph* - ana by what Os of this u setry hsesehrtli be And I will p • ap brass, sod wal up, I think 'he mat anion might set bs showed M pire sow without the gauntry Wind hod the oppeetneft of to • &shim, bat without poolismint oho bang the oppereomitp of wpm*, Manly nod In* hi opinion Ind Moja. mat upon the wed telhp whisb may be proposed es the pert et the t. I will give us ptedge that in tlhe 711 11" Are alma llor May, or less, that thataS i shall mei. to di. esonfirl. I say thee haw W the of sonsoinski th, mat sodas ot psi liensa„ pessi W on shell how hem se Is deicedd sag ofindissted open that the sedhary ad Meese hams albs nont soaks shah net be Interfered with by dissmisse as Os ponind Waeiel milky of the Ihresit lima that I will not give any as inellnigh /A L hismistent with nay duty, as a mime. be w INSP. le day that I will advise =Ws Ns= In dissolve parliament at any per. but I will say generally that I te pas la the prossat session mei measures as win be it the pod of the sosatry. I will are distinctly lei sw see insiwwww, ossea ssi bp . that among thus, lbom the adds inn I dm somidsr of pow asomity am et Os Wong damn et il somiliy. di laving t he Os duties w en pa moles, I ems se ends= so aids dake dist endy mOs admitay shoal be wiade he sr A that parlismost la the muse a the maw astsnut give its &slim (Cheers.) Agee • her weeds trem Lord Inistan, who dim} proved of the ser ril Mhy ur t e i romonmont, The lest el *at the pewronsat were entitled to the son/dense to the home. and expressed • hope that they weal an be diverted by taunts or threats hem Waiw is scare whisk they believed were is. by the imam of the ossary, he bet he . 5 he shw lini a n awn' hese as pospitle• for oty ea eon. Lea =DUDA LE ornisnda that the MUNI t to be serried with the doinales, that a dheslasioa should take place in the anew of the year. Oting Wow renienee would be enebehold by the parties who la pre rate bills before parliament N the seam nes turely closed ; but, ladepsalost of that, its ions entitled to haw s fair told ed tbe present ponnmea before • dinsintion too ► k =as. thought,thee w C sai nlibTliTsfil liga tbin lartite tr laward r eSt Pll :. Moab est of when tee messily in the Howie or Osman r e end saw is epos* a esionderehl, by wombs the home who the irretri l eM Mishisf vlifit the amosion if • Mimi ministry to power 000sef— led el AIIIIRDEIN was disposed to be satisfied with d deelseaties of the wide premier, in answer to the quintion of this noble duke ; but might not their lordship be parsnip' sis improper and uessastitational course by urging a dissolution ? lie trusted they would not Mille° the example of Lord Chatham, when in opposition, who moved an address for a dissolution. For his own part, ho did not press for a dissolution, but tie government were certainly bound to explain their position bore parliament THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 20, 1852. sad the milantry. The amble earl esetainly was like Idr. Pitt in one respect, for like that states man he sustained the whale weight of the govern ment on his owe e h elders, but he most deny that the coin° pursued by Sir lt. Peel in 1834 afforded soy precedent in* favour of the present government, for that coarse was adopted after, and not before, an appeal had been roads to the country. Earl GREY was also satisfied with the declaration of the noble earl at the head of the governmeat, bat suggested that the desire expressed to bring the question of free trade to a speedy issue must render the existing House of Com mons incapable of considering any important measures with calmness and deliberation. Let the government only male a distinct declaration that they did not intend to disturb the existing commercial policy of the country, and the hostile attitude of which complaint had beets made, would be ' abandoned. It was the doubt which prevailed upon this point which created distrust and dissatisfaction. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. The Patent Law Amendment Bill was then read a attend time, and ordered to be referred to a select committee. Their lordships then adjourned at a quarter to S. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, MARCH 19. The Brsatteg took the chair at a quarter before four o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. MATNOOTR GRANT.—By Mr. FAKEER, from Durham; Mr. 0. BUNCOMBE, froaa Skilton ; Mr. GROGAN, from Wetherby, in Yorkshire; Mr. DUNCAN, tram the Mem bers of the Free Church of Panbride, Forfar; against the eontiananee of. MILITIA MILL.—/3y Mr. FOLEY, from Blacklin, in Worecatenhire, against calling eat the Militia. POIT 110/1111 ANTI CARR I Ann 13 LITT . —By Mr. BERNAL, from Rochester, for abolition of. ECCLTNIASTICAL TITLTA Ac-r.—By Mr. THORNELY, from catholic inhabitants of Bilden, for repeal of ; Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL, ► petition from an individual, praying for inquiry into certain alleged forgeries of the signatures to a petition on this subject presented last year. The hon. member gave notice that lie would, on a future day, call at tention to this subject. ..... NOTICES OF MOTION. . . Mr. REYNOLDS, on Thursday . neat, to ingnire what provision is made fur affording religious instruction to Ro man catholic confined in the prisons of Scotland, he (Mr. Reynolds) having been informed that in one instance the governor had refused to allow a Roman catholic prisoner to receive religious consolation from a minister of his own re ligion. Sir DE L. EVANS, in committee of supply on the army estimates, a motion ou the subject of the refusal of the go vernment to accept the service* of voluntary rifle corps. COMMERCIAL TREATY WITH BELGIUM. Alderman THOMPSON inquired whether the treaty of commerce between-England and Belgium had been rati fied, and if so, when it would be laid before the house ? Mr. HENLEY—The trusty to which my hon. friend alludes has not yet been ratified, but I have no reason to suppose that ratifications will not soon be mutually ex• changed between the two governments, and when that has been done the treaty will be laid before parliament. (Cheers.) NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND). Mr. WALPOLE, in answer to Mr. 0811014 NE, said that it was not the intention of government to propose the ap pointment of a select committee upon the system of na tional education in Ireland, but that they would assent to any motion for such a committee. with a view not to the essential alteration of the principle on which that system RSA founded, but for the purpose of making the system it self more satisfactory. INCUMiIEHRD ESTATES COMMISSION. The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER announced, in reply to the Master of the Rolls, that minister, intended to propose that the Incumbered Estates Commission Act which would expire in July next, but which might be continued two years after that date for the purpose of winding up the affair, of the coinmission, should be continued fur one year longer. PUBLIC-HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL. 111 r. MACKENZIE, iu reply to Mr. Oswald, intimated that if opportunity offered, th is bill would be proceeded with before Easter. COPYHOLDS ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL. MrAOLIONBY offered, irthat course would better snit the convenience of the government, to postpone the cam , miters upon this bill, from Wednesday neat to Friday next. Mr. WALPOLE said that the latter day would certainly be the more convenient; and the order of the day was ac cordingly read and discharged. DISSOLUTION OF P., Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, I rise to put a question of great importance to the right boa. gentleman, the Chan cellor of theist:l/levier. The house will recollect that on Heeday leek is answer to a question, the right hon. gen tleman, the isentarf of State for the Colman', stated that be bed hat-Ml to being forward a motion with regard to the diesiseas dish of the sets with reference lo the veer hulks; bet that u the ministry were in an adimewilgoll felicity in this home, he did net think peeper to pewee that coarse, and that be should proceed by these smote wish be thought the most advisable to adept. He pretended further to say, that the ("ink= he entrinimmt with regard to those disastrous diode were un changed, both with reference to the **eke and the slave *eta. He awed further, that he received utmost daily asses* ham the West India colonies, as to the distress whisk mists ; and he then went on fa nearly these word—" Without being at all indifferent to that dinner, we have determined that this, like others of the same nature, ought to be kept for the consideration of a future parliament." Now, sir, that answer with regard to the distress which exists la the West Indian colonies, and with regent to the pay of the sager duties, ap plies likewise to the peaky which has been pursued with teed to the ems laws, and with regard to ease renetions of a Mailer nature. The house will per mho, therelbse, that ith et the OEM kweednews that we have sees assess upon lib Wend. (Hear, bear.) I and not refer le *het took pleie 'ea Made; night. fee everybody sail Isee In his naiad Hie Vials, that Wise mode by the debt ha berme the modem he Rips fir J. Grim), lbe debt lies the member he Os Usiviellity of Oiled (lit. Oiiiese), ma tie sells bad Oa iambs for Tiverton (word Palawan) ; hat law. Ilea aid* was asked by Sir 11. Peel, when I wee at the 1188IMMI le 1841, and when we were is seiaority in this Wily se steeled by its vote, I ask the right hon. berme. elegit, sliskir her Ilessty's permarant are praised to Sielitilke emu to dishy the youseat parl;sateat, red to mime a sew ewe elk the kit Islay consistent with a Me mpg to the palls Womb, in referenee to these Meddees which are event sad of immediate importance ? (ieeses.) I treat that the right hon. gentlemen will give ea mower es this quells (Lead obeers.) The munsuas lit the MCCHEQUEB--Sir, the =Ws Lod Ms dismal be her Hremete government an weepassialei palm 011ialleil dim) The noble led is releeel to Os poisisat Is the year 1841, when be eat apes lie Timm bench, sad was the leader of this hems ; bet the stab hod will allow me to remind him that lime is a seedisalie ildlours between the position of M who ell ea Si boil awl the sable lard at that pe dal, became the shessimat Ikea bad been cosimed by • vete of this beess—(mieheirld shoos)- led all the pre sidents to whisk HS Hebert Peel solneed en that isesesien --eemaely, the pesselat of 1787 wt ad 4 VAL wire la a similar istegert—lhey wore all in rellsesie la a ministry whisk bad bees maimed by • see of Ike Roue of Dermas. (Hier.) Sir, the aside lei t to have teethed his question, mot only as same impelest, but as es ampoesedonted sae. (Hear, bear.) I all, however, imply le the amble lard. Sir, I think it wean be highly ensesetitedemd sad most Myelitis, if her Majesty's minis tate should pledge themselves to advise her Mejesty to dis solve perliemsat at any stated and spechle period. (Load mibierial sheen) The noble lard must feel that easier emcee might suddenly arise which would render the fel ilment of such a pledge not may most injurious, but per haps even Impracticable. (Cheers.) At the same time, have no hesitation in saying that it is the intention of her Majesty's government to advise her Majesty to dissolve this partiammt no most as the memeary measures have bun paced—oomea, I should rather say, as those mea sures have bum rand whisk are neassery for the service of her *dens, sad for the ilietrity and good government of her swam. (Load ministerial cheers.) I will even say WY" lint it is Our wish and mu intention to meet the new pedisemat that will be elected, so that its vote way be takes on is emation of coalldeam in the present administrative. sad area the Millielliell whisk they feel it emit duly, Mier the skomestmeses, So igen la thesauri, et the peemst year. (Lost milsteelel Moeda& Wailed with some ohms on the oppseilisa beilms.) Lewd I. HIISSIILL—Sir, I wilt to ask the right hes panthers a question with regard be two weeds of whisk be has Jest lasi use. I wish to silk hint if, anew* the mos eases which he thinks neeneary he the geed gomenimmt ef these realms, he includes those moms es whit* be ad vetted the other day, reform la Clissiory, and others ? (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —Sir, I do not feel called upon to give any further explanations. (Loud eries of " hear, hear" from the ministerial side of the house.) _ ALLEGED SHOOTING OF A DESERTER. In reply to Mr. W. WILLIAMS, Mr. 8 AFFORD denied the statement whirls had been I made that a seaman, while attempting to desert from • British ship, had been shot, by order of Captain Shepherd, the officer to command. Several desertions had taken place, and punishment had been inflicted when the downers had been apprehended. The rumour in quevtion, he believed, arose from • dead body having been seen duriting in the water. THE CASE OF MR. MATHER. The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCIIE,WER, in refer ence to questions by Lords John flown and Palmenton, Jest night, said that a demand had been made upon the Tuscan government for compensation to Mr. Mather for the outrage upon him, because Tuscany held independent relations with this country. But though no such demand had been, for the above reason, made upon Austria, coin municati tttt s had been held with her representatives, and from their considerate and conciliatory tone, he wits happy I to believe that the, question would be arranged to the satis faction of the country. LIABILITY OF COMPANIES. Mr. MACGREGOR remarked that the late President of the Board of Trade had given them to understand that he would introduce a measure fur limiting the liability , of companies under the present system. Dill the right lion. gentleman (Mr. llenley) intend to carry out that under standing ? Mr. HENLEY said the hon. gentleman's question was so vagu" that he must request him to put it in auto more precuo terms. (Laughter.) AUSTRIAN TROOPS IN ITALY. Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that on Monday next he would ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in consequence of the outrages at Leshoni end at Florence, the British government would use its offices with the Aus trian government to withdraw their troops (ruin Italy. (Laughter.) SUPPLY. —THE ARMY ESTIMATES. The house having gone into a committee of supply, Major BERES!. 0111) rose to move the army estimates, but he spoke in so low a tone (for which he apologised on account of indisposition) that ho was frequently inaudible. He said he would not claim the forbearance of the house on the ground of his diffidence in addressing them on so impertant a topic, but he must do so, because he would bring forward not his own estimates, but those of the late government. To those estimates he had given his best attention. and having endeavoured to master the whole of the them, he hoped he should be able to lay before the house and the country sufficient reasons for the additions it was proposed to make. The house was aware that the army estimates consisted of seventeen lutes, seven of which embraced the effective service and the other ten the non. effective ; and lie proposed first to go through all these voter in their order. The first UM principal vote was the land forces, of which in the year 1851-52 the itemiser was 98,714, not including the force in the pay of the Indian government. For the . year 1852-53 the number was proposed to be 101,1137, being an increase of 3,213 men. The charge of the farce was this year 3,601,0671., and last year it was ptopused to be 3,521,0701., being an increase of 80,9971. The charge for the staff was this year 169,607/, last year 159,9324., increase 9,6751. For the public departments this year 95,9571., last year 92,7471., increase 3,210/. ; for the Royal Military College this year 17,1411., last year 16,9011., increase 2401. ; Royal Military Asylum this year 17,3361., last year 18.016/, decrease 4801. ; volunteer corps this year 84,0001., last year 6;,0004., increase 19,0001.—the incecue is the last case having arisen from the yeomanry corps going on what was termed per m inent duty. The vital sum for the effectiveserviees last bear wise thus 3,873,6661., while this year it was 3,946,3081., ing a total increase of 112,642/. The non-effective ser vices were as follow, :—Rewards for military services this ye.ir 15,6431., last year 14,606!., increase 1,037/. ; army pay of general officers this year 61,0001., lest year 52,0001., increase 9,0001.; full pay for retired officers this year 60,0001., last year 52,5004, decrease 2,5001. ; Isalf-pay and ' military allowances this year 366,000!., last year 3, 7,000/., decrease 12,0001.; foreign half-pay this year 36,9161., last year i 19,993/., decrease 2,0771.; widow s pensions this year 119,3871., last year 122,717/, decrease 3,330!.; cons pee sionate allowances this year 83,0001., lest year 88,5 M., decrease 6,5001.; in pension this year 28,8151., last year 33,413/, decrease 6,5981. ; out-pension this year 1,226,8031, last year 1,233,0301., decrease 6,2471.; superannuation al lowances this year 37,5001, last year 37,5001., total this year 2,021,0641.; last year, 2,052,279 1.; total increase, 10,0371. ; total decrease, 3.4,25:1. ; total decrease on the non-etfeetive services, 28,2161. Total estimates this year, 6,010,3711. ; last year, 5,924,945/. ; total increase , 84,4271. The right bon. and gallant gentleman then proceeded to move the first grant of 101,937 men, attributing the increase solely to the Kaffir war. Fur his own part, having spent the brightest years of his life in the service of the crown, he was of opinion that there was a just and legitimate economy capable of being exercised, but he warned the house against that false economy, which was not consistent with the effi ciency of the army, and which, though piny-wise, would prove to be pound-foolish. Ile coneluded by moving the first vote. Mr. W. WILLIAMS, after the slight attention which had been given to the Secretary-at-War, could expect but little attention for himself. The go. verumcnt, in consequence of their very recent ac cession to office, had adopted the estimates of their prede cessors ; and this precluded him from making the objections he had made on former °emulous. During many years he had voted, with Mr. Hume, for • considerable reduction in the military fore*; but the altered circumstances of foreign countries and foreign governments had placed her Majeetys goverpment in a different position ; and it was accorded by the pa opinion that the military force of this country should be placed on • more efficient footing. Ile should therefore not propose • reduction on this occasion ; but he thought the house ought to be made acquainted with the further measures which the government proposed. Something had been said with regard to a militia force. The house ought to know the number of men proposed to be so embodied. It must be satisfactory to know that the late government, with the best means of intennation, entertained no apprehension of any foreign aggression ; for it happened that on the Ist of January last, the number of the forces was 5,172 less than the number voted by that house. lintels some now light had broken out, he was at a loss to understand the reason of the proposed increase. Looking at the enormous amount of our military force, be thought any apprehension of invasion was groundless, and the idea of embodying a lot of young lads as a militia was perfectly absurd. At present the number of dims and men in the cavalry and infantry was 101,936, in the artillery 15,582, making, with 5,300 marines on shore, • total of 122,818. On the Ist of January 42,818 of these were in the colonies leaving a force in the United Kingdom of 80,538 men. In addition there were 15,000 embodied pensioners ; and Lord lierdwicke said be never saw a fluor body of men. The Irish police consisted of 12,380 men, allowed to be one of the finest military bodies in Europe, as described by Col. Brown, before Lord Devon's commission. He said he would match them to beat any 12,000 soldiers in the world. Adding those to the cavalry, infantry, and artillery, we had a force of 108,000 men. What foreign government could lead an army in this country to match that number of men ? In addition, we had a volunteer force amounting to • very begs num ber. There was the coast guard, 6,000; the dockyard bat talions, 9,200 ; the yeomanry cavalry, 13,520 ; which added to the above made a total of 136,634. If the 14,000 police, l obo were half-trained and exercised, were adde d, the total force in Great Britain and Ireland would be 15438 men. Wes not the • force sufficient to protect this island against all the world? We had, in addition, that branch of the public serene to which we had always appealed with oonfi ' dimes for protection, the navy; but unfortunately it was now considered as counting for nothing at all. He hoped soon to see it plated in a state of greater efficiency. The number of marine, on board wee 6,708; the number of sailors voted was 28,000, and 5,000 for the reserve, making together 40,780, which added to the military breach gave • total force of 191,338 for the defence of this country, to be ;voted and paid for out of the public money, with the exception of the police. He hoped the government would not contemplate the ne cessity of adding to this force • militia of raw lads. The proposed rifle-corps would be found infinitely more effi cant. If her Majesty issued her proclamation, calling on the people to form rifie-corps, he doubted not it would be responded to by a million of men. Ile regretted to see that • rebuff had been given by the government to an ap plication for sanction to a rile-corps. Mr. B. OSBOKNE said that he should apologise to the house for the vote he was about to give under any other circumstances but it would be most unusual that this vote should be taken as a matter of course. There had been no declaration of any sort of principle from the ministers, and it was too much to expect that the house should confine itself merely to criticising details. Ile should go on a broader principle, for he did not think, after the answer given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the noble lord, that the members of that house were at all more clear or satisfied about the course of the government than they were on Fri day night last. He was one who totally dimwitted from the course taken by the noble lord (Russell) in throwing up the government. It was ea unfair thing, because a local militia, led by a foreign general, defeated him in • dying battle, that great principles were to be endangered and petilled because of some minor difference of opinion. (Hear, hear.) And it was not quite becoming in the noble lord to name Lord Derby to the Queen as the only pos sible prime minister. 'There were many noble lords in another place, and hon. and right bon. gentlemen in that house, quite qualified to form an administration which would not only claim the support of the liberal party, but be popular with the great body of the people. Meer, hear) Therefore he totaUy dissented from the policy of tailing Lord Derby to her Majesty's councils, and putting that powerful but dangerous party on the mint , terial benches. (Hear, hear.) A party who exclusively mo nopolised to tliammlves the epithet of " the country themselves.the ngllsh h The y were morewereyet, directly they got into power they assumed a sort of Italian mystification, and endeavoured to conceal the cloven foot of protection under the amockfrock of official reserve. (Cheers and laughter.) Wu this fair, open, or holiest ? Was it not rather what would be c alled a shilling and dishonest course for statesmen to pursue ? The proper time had ar rived when some right hon. gentleman ought to tell the house distinctly whether or not the question of protection in aby shape was to be revived—not only whether what was called • fixed duty was to be proposed, but whether any jugglery was to take place for the sake of giving coin. pensatims to the landed interest. (Cheers.) He did not complain of the elevation to power of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He was not disposed to arraign the ministry for any presumed want of talent or ability, or to throw in their teeth that they were new lied untried men. He was of opinion that it required no greet conjuror, after ell, to be a minister of state. (Hear, hear.) And if a man had mode rate abilities, great attention, and some respectability of character, he had as good a right to sit on the official side of the house, even though a chairman of quarter unions. (Cheers and laughter.) If he had fixed principles, he was as well qualified to be a minister of this country as any other man. (Hear, hear.) Feeling what they might, the ministers were bound to speak one, and tell in an open and honest way what their principles of government were founded upon. (clear.) lie rejoiced in the elevation of the right hon. gentleman to the Chancellorship of the Exchequer. Ile hed had a hard cud to play; he harksehieved hikpresent position by no aristocratic connection; but, after many struggles, 801110 dislike on his own side, and great didrust on the other, he had 'mule tiro party what it was. (('heers.) lie had been their spirit of life—galvanic life, bo mac— and the leaden body of protection would be ungrateful in deed if itdid not carry him through. (Cheers and laughter.) He rejoiced in his elevation, because it wax, at any rate, • tribute to the Intellectual superiurity of the age to ale him the leader of the great uhlocratic party of England. Despite of their power he had made the party what it was. (Cheers.) But, participating in those feelings he, (Mr. 0.) could not but lament that the right hon. gentleman had not shown himself more open and candid as • minbit, r of the crown. Ile could not forget the eloquent audacity, the fluent acerbity, with which he tenoned the late lamented ' Sir Robert Peel, and twitted him on every occasion. (Hear, hear.) He could not forget tho motions he brought forward on those occasions; he, therefore ' la mented he had not taken u moremoreopen course. The course now pursuer'. by them struck at the root of all re presentative institution,. Pf it were admitted that ministers comin,t into power were to observe this obstinate silence as to principles, representative government was • farce. d(Cheers.) It was altogether destructive of confi ence to see men who,within the last two or three weeks,had motions nn the paper for the reversal of our free-trade pre hey, and fur crippling the system of education, now sitting on those benches, and night after night declaring that their convictions were perfectly unaltered, but that they oat intend to give effect to them in any shape. Such hearse in ministers and 111-itish senators was in the last de gree shuffling; and the people of this country had a very eirewd suspicion that the good old-fashioned amusement of thimble-rig was about to be played by the country gentle men, with Lord Derby as their confederate, and that the public were as usual to be :gulled and plundered, while the noble lord and his confederates in the smock-frocks were playing the game. (Cheers and laughter.) This state of things ought to come to an end ; hon. gentlemen were bound to speak out. They would say this was a factious °Fruition. (Cheers from the mi nisterial side.) Hu did not object to that : whenever hon. gentlemen, in office, were interrupted, particularly in bring ing fcrward their estimates, they were always accustomed to cry out that it was a factious opposition. (hear, hear.) lie cared very little what hon. gentlemen in that house thought, but he eared a great deal a hat people out of doors thought; and, in using these words, he was certain he should not stand worse with his constituents. (Hear, hear, from the ministerial side.) They would thank him for having offered this alleged factious opposition to unprin cipled conduct. (Hear, hear.) How was this cabinet constructed ? They might be called an amalgamated society of chairmen of quarter sessions, meeting tog, thee to raise the price of bread. (Cheers.) They consisted of thirteen gentlemen, who, differing on other points, all agreed on one thing—to endeavour to raise the price of the poor man's loaf. (Cheers, and " No" from the to . tcrial aide.) Ile lard a suspicion they meant to throw the farmers completely over; that was becoming very commonly noised about; and in coihequeuce of Lord Derby's appealing to the clergy—as his ancestor did when ho meant to deceive Richard the Third—they were beginning to say, " After all, I think we may do without protection ; Lord Derby is such an excel lent man, and will give such an excellent protection to what are called church of England principles." (Loud cheers and laughter) But how war this cabinet con structed? The Chancellor of the Exchequer had carried out at least one principle for which he had always contended when in opposition—that the government ought to be con ducted on what he called "the territorial principle." (Hear.) Hon. gentlemen used to cheer loudly at this, not well understanding how far it went, but it was catching. lie had constituted his government on this principle : he had got 13 gentlemen, if not all men exclusively of great territorial po ssessions , ? yet representing exclusively terri torial c. 0..— '...ncies. (Hear.) Thirteen lg. ntlemen—a • . . , baker's closest—leagued together to put a ta i upon bread (Cheers, and laughter) The cabinet being constructed in that way, bow was the rest of the government constructed ? The territorial principle prevailed again. There were seven of theta county members, who repre sented county constituencies. In the minor offices of the government the territorial principle wan likewise curried out. Ten of the gentlemen who held minor, but still very snug ethics ' represented the smallest constituencies of the country. ( hear, hear.) If be was not afraid of wearying the house, he might draw a very good reform argument from that fact. Ten of them represented somew bat over 3,000 electors, and seven of the places for which they sat, were nomination boroughs, and had not the best characters in the world. (Hear, hear.) The country could not be so besotted as to give its confidence to a government wh cb so sepresented the people. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Osb ) bad no confidence in the government, and he believed they bad no confidence in themselves. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) If they bad, why,did not they declare their prin like men, and say that they believed free trade wax the MA of England ? (Bear, hear.) They had been dinning into the ears of all the interests of the country, that free trade was the ruin of the country, and now when they were placed in a position to carry out their principles, by the napardonable weaknese of the noble lord, they ehrunk aura Meg so. (Hear, hear.) They said they were going is reform the state of the law. He would examine their delins to forbearance on that ground. Whom did they point as Lord Chancellor ?—Sir E. Sugden (now Lord IR Leonards), one of the most violent of anti-reformers, elms he had formerly a seat in that house. (Hear, hear.) If he turned to the pages of !laniard, it would be found that he opposed every measure of reform which had Loch proposed, and that he was one of the most uncompromising and bigoted of tones in that house. Their law appoint ments, therefore, inspired him with no confidence. lie could not but recollect that the lawyers were the first to desert Sir R. Peel—(hear, hear)—deserted in his ut most need by those his former bounty fed. (Hear, and tt oh.") But even granting that they were sincere in their desire to promote law reforms, those reforms might be purchased too dearly, and they would be purchased too dearly at the sacrifice of free trade. (Hear, hear.) What the Route of Commons, therefore, should du wax to place a little salutary restraint upon the government and to refuse them a grant of either men or money till they declared their principles. (Hear, hear.) But if there was one appoint ment worse than another it was that of the hon. member fur Essex, who declared at Braintree that he looked to the in terest of the electors of Essex and not to the people at large. A government that made such an appointment could expect no forbearance from the representatives of large and popular egestituencies. (Hear, hear.) But if for their English ap =merits they deserved no forbearance, still less did they e for their Irish appointments; and, in the present state of Ireland, their appointments in that counley ewe of, perhaps, more importance than their Euglish ease. llablenen were in the habit of complaining when no Irish ma WY appointed to a seat in the cabinet. But in the present instance he thought It was satisfactory that there was no Irish appointment to the cabinet considering the mmennt of mischief which he would be likely to oc onion. lie (Mr. Osborne) looked upon the govern mat as mischievous by their principles, and was of opinion Kat they would ruin the country if they were allowed to sorry tlems into action. He could only support them on the rOluad of being false to all their former professions. (Hear.) Next to the noble lord sat the right hou. baronet the mem ber for Droitwiels, who was honest in his intentions, but iscapable in action. (Oh, oh.) Ile should, therefore , we s. that ) they dct no vote of men that night. (Loud assir Kr. WHITESIDE, after a severe allusion to the substi tution of miserable imposture for real oratorical talent, delhaded the Irish appointments of government, and Inmated Mr. Osborne with having no particular opinions on goilsion, and with being unable to comprehend the feel of those who had any. After some strictures on the legal appointments an Ireland, he declared that Lord y's conduct was most constitutional and patriotic, MI added, that though the duration of his ministry weld depend solely upon public opinion, his lordship, Tether such duration were long or short, would do his Italy by his sovereign and by his country. Kr. HATCHELL defended the law appointments of the Kr. _ 34. BOOKER declared his entire confidence in the Chancellor of the Exchequer, from which he was not to be essesed by taunts from the ot herl aide, and he accused the lion with delaying public business because they wore to meet their constituents. Kr B. HALL s.iid he thought hon. gentlemen opposite were Mead to come forward and declare to the country whether lbw mama to abide by the professions through which they =loffice, or whether they had merely used those pro ke the purpose of obtaining power. Lord Derby said be Meer be was to a minority, but all he asked for war for beeeneres. Forbearance for what ? That he might work Albs appliances of the government, and that when by aims of them he obtained • majority he might put a tax em the food of the people. Wan that a reason why those at host who represented large constituencies should dew forbearance ? The noble lord did not say again islaile as to his policy with regard to dm siva bow; awl ill that account he (Sir B. Hall) bed Inked sentslly at the addresses issued by the noble lord's colleagues. The right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Mr. Christopher) said distinctly that be was for • reversal of the past policy. The right be.. gentleman the member for Midhunt, though address les a purely agricultural constituency, took care not to eye word about protection ; he promised his agricultural einetituenta a full and efficient reform of the Court of Cbsocery What did such persons care about Chancery Ram ? (Hear, bear.) They would much rather hear Esther the government meant to propose a sliding scale or taxed duty. (Laughter.) The address put forward by ilhe right hen. gentleman now the leader of that assembly lee framed apparently with the view of giving as little in sight as possible into the policy of the government, and dierefore he moat refer to the speech delivered to his con. iiiill6llol6 The general impression conveyed by the right boa gaftleman's apoech was that the government meant to =• duty on corn; be spoke of a is. duty on wheat, graduated duty on other species of grain. Ile would not , *p to analyse that proposition ; but he warned the right hoe. gentleman that if lie attempted to tax the food of the people he would discover that they felt very keenly on the sub ject. In looking through the last of the now government be found that they were all professed protectionists, except tee members of what was termed a liberal profession—the 1 Allterney-Oeneral and the Solicitor•Oeneral, the law °fil ms of the late Sir Robert Peel—(hear ' hear)—and ono of Kase hon. and learned gentlemen had been endeavouring, he believed, to secure a seat for the immaculate borough of Harwich, his previous acquaintance with Ipswich being well known. (Hear, hear.) 'rho house had been told that what' the government intended was not a reversal, but a modification of the existing policy. Now, what was intent by " modification ? " Did it not amount, if hon. gentlemen followed up their prinmples, to a revered of the whole policy ? The imposition of any tax whatever on the food of the people, whatever it might be called, would be a reversal. (Hear, bear.) It was said that although the right hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Laucastee, had declared for II reversal, noble lords and right lion. gentlemen in the cabinet were only in favour of a modilicatiuo. Now, a; a meeting of the National Association for the Protection of British industry, held at the London Tavern, about three months ego, the Dake Richmond in the chair, a resolution Wait moved by Lord Berner,, seconded by Lord Malmeshury, and pumas-Th.,' Mr. Gillett, calling upon all the friends of protection "t a support the association, and to of -operate with it to th e utmost of their power." In :" In obtaining n rever sa l of the present system of free importation width vi sa fast sapping the sources of national wealth, uud thee:deny to sonaummatc, 'ere lung, the ruin of the COuntry (Hear, hear.) plow could . it be said aped tlq that the government did not armlet the revenal of fry trade? (Hear, hear.) In February, INql, Lod 11.-sby said that, through a moderate duty uu corn, they night y a year or two get rid of the income tux. Now it was v, well to talk of a moderate duty—a d u ty, ear, of :is., ~ or j i g. &quarter ; but the income tax ninutilited to p aw .' than 5,000,0001. sterling; aw k there being about 11,froio j a quarters of wheat imported annually, it w o uld a duty of about VW. to get rid of the :ileum tax. 'lbis sa y what was called a " moderate duty," ~a mere racliticati. a . and not a reversal of free trade. Were Lou. g,, t ,, rau i t , going to reversal free trade or not? That was taa queatien, and it ought to be answered. Having d n. turns to allow that the country was proxiwroint, ,e would ask—Why did the government want to rev. roe or tro,Lf,, the came of all this prosperity ? (Hear, h ear. ) lie 1it,41 ask, for whose benefit was this rever,al or inislineata,, to take place ? For the benefit of the landlords, of the i s nanta, or of the labourers ? He was burin used that M. rents of the Duke of Richmond and Rutland had in no materially diminished. Had the ten a nt, b.., sufferers ? If lion. gentlemen said lby I. al, t... he asked them why they had not rs elated toyr rents ? No general reuuetion had taken play. (Expressions of dissent from the protectionists). 110 ~,, t hon. gentleman the Chancellor of du: Exchequer, r. penn o n, to the case of the labourers at Aylesbury. said,' la 1.4 we all admitted that there would necessarily be a ;:nal. a . pension of the foreign trade, and we raid Vint .span-. 4 would be accompanied by conshlernblu sufferina, 0.. a& would overweigh our great and important hits restsati.,, o , No doubt that much that was predicted did tot 4 4 , u , alluw me to say that much that was pn-diett I Ls istarrel. Distress on the farmers has occurred ; but I admit, mid it 4 with unfeigned pleasure I admit it, that the l i i,o urya s population of England has not auffereel, hut. on the t 4. teary, their condition him improveil." Did not such au ad. mission afford the greatest reason for continuing the must policy ? (Hew, hear.) Ho must ray that the only th ji in which the right honourabl e g en tl eman had lveu roughly eonsi.tsnt WAS his opposition to th a t ta t late Sir Robert Mal did. The piessa,:e which he was 04,4 to refer to he would recommend to the atteutiun of thou gentlemen who were usually denominated the touter, party ;it formed part of *speech &liven-a by tale fir Win that party entertained the highest respect, cud the words appeared almost proph.-tic. In this speech the right La:- gentleman said " they 'neat ask themselves, as salijtell of a popular government, whirl were the means,, what Sim machinery by which the right hon. gentleman acquitsd position? Fur a intuitive of years he supportevl a protective policy, and well did they remember, perhaps wit without a blush, the efforts they made to name him to the bench as which he then sat. Suddenly, he discovered that the arguments in favour of protection to native in duatry were not valid, and lie adroitly turned rowel.' The right hon. gentleman proceeded to say, that if the constitution of England required that men should recta. mend what they did nut approve, the soon e r they got rid of it the better. " Let men , ' said he, "stand by the prin. ciples by which they rose, right or wrong, ant) make as exception." (Cheers.) Such were the rum reliable wards of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Yet they now sae hon. gentlemen cheering him on fur giving up his opiniots, and, to fact, rewording political ter,riveisation. hear.) Was the ri;;Lt hon. gentleman now prepared "to stolid by his former principles, right or wrong," or veil he admit that lie and his party had been trading on talia political capital ? IVlnt they (the opposition) asked war to be told what were the intentions of the government They declared that they did not waist fair play for them seivosbut fur the country. They had bas Cling aloud for protection ; and the country had a right to Jima/id that it should be appealed to by a dissolution. (11..ar, bear.) The Earl of MARCIE complained that Mr. traborne had substituted abuse of members of the government for alga. moot ; and, in reply to Sir B. Hall, defined a pruteetiunist to be a warm and cordial supporter of Lad Derby's gr vernment. Mr. COBDEN then rose and spoke as follows.—lie said—The definition of a protectionist, we have ju.t bear:, is something new—(a laugh)—and I think, w hietes,T may it the opinion of the house, that there will not lw two opinions on the point in the country, when it is tested by the inter predation put by the public on the word pretecticen. (Hear, hear.) At all events, the noble lord w ill allow us to draw this conclusion from his statement, that, by couldn't the name of the Earl of Derby with that of protection, we are bound to consider we have to deal with a protectionist go vernment. That Ravel me a great deal of trouble, and ren ders it unnecessary that 1 should trouble the house with any facts and quotations to prove that one-half of the gen -11 Unlace with whom the noble lord is connected are pledged to the question of protection (as we under-tood). We have it from himself that wo are dealing w ith u protectionist government. Now, what is the cane i We have a proposition front a protectionist government, ant who asks the House of Commons, if we have sufficient confidence in them, to vote the supplies for the maintenance of the army. It is the constitutional rule in this country, and it is, in fact, the most important arraugement in our represeutatirs constitution, that the majority of the House of Commons go vern the country. I ask the noble lord (the Earle( March), and those who come here in the name of the protectionist government, to ask a free-trade parliament to grant their confidence by voting the supplies fur the army for a whole year-1 ask him whether we are transgressing the rule aid the duty which devolves upon the members et the House of Commons, at all events to pause before we agree to a vote of mode-Kum in the government, in direct antagonism to the maturity—(hear) —not merely in the number of elem. tive—for, while we have • numerical majority in the hotter, we have an overwhelming majority in the immix rut thme who scut us here. The debate to-nig at w.al opened by nis hot. friend the member for the metropolitan county—a county not only one of the most populous, but equal in amount of wealth to any in the United Kingdom. His obwreations have been sustained by the hen. member for the borough of Maryletione, who oleo represents a mat important con stituency. I support the motion ulnae hatAncinber, repre senting tho vast constituency of the West Ruling of York shire—(hear, hear)—fully convinced that what 1 sm say ing will be supported by the opiui•ins of the population of that district. I represent a body of eons.ituents as numerous as the whole of the constituents of all the members of his Majesty's government. Olean hear.) 1 tun sustained is my observations by my hoe. friend near me, the member fur South Lancashire, and I shall bo sustained, 1 stn sure, by the hon. members for Manchester, (ileagow, and other large constituencies—(hear, hear) —and thereture you are appealing to us as a minority. fisted by Tour number or your worth, you are an insignificant minority asking for the confidence of the house. (Hear, hear.) I cannot allow yea now to come forward and say there are various great qui.. tiot.s, such as a reform in chancery laws, in the patent laws, or in any other laws, which you are d. sirens of passing. These are questions with winch we are as competent to deal on this side ~f the house as you can be. I don't ask houourablo gentlemen to decide what course the house ought tc pursue. Ido not ask the right hem. gentle man (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) . to tell us what course the government contemplates. It is the majority of the house which has to decide what course ought to be taken, and I appeal to the majority whether you will allow a minority to govern us—whether you will consent to the principle that amen minority is to govern the nation i I My, lot the men be voted, get your Mutiny Act passed, but whys we come to vote the money, let the majority of thc house give a clear and unmistakeable proof of its recognitiou of the representative principle, by exercising in a cosishae tional way the right reserved to them of controlling the public purse. (Opposition cheers.) 1 shall be asked probably. Why do you ask government to dissolve parliament nee: Why, from one end of the kingdom to the other the pas try is agitated at this moment by an election cone , t.(!!rare hear.) The instinct of the country lea at once conic to the conclusion that the =spent} , of the house will deal with the question, and will nut allow an attempt to ca rry os the proceedings of the legislature by a m inority of the house. I say an attempt to carry on the proceedings of the legislature, and that brings me to another reason for an immediate dissolution. You will not be able to carry on the business of the country while you remain is a minority. You have already heard the right hon. gentle man the Chancellor of the Exchequer declare his ivability to proceed with any important measure became' you are M a minority. The business of the country cannot he coral on. Select committees are, being: appointed, on educates for instance, and other matters of vital importance, but r..,t one of the members appended to those committees ent,r , tinned the idea that their labours will be. brought tea conclusion during this session. In the course of tea or three months the house must be brought 13 a close. Seeing, therefore, that you will be unable to carry on any business in a satisfactory manner, we are bound to bring the parliament to a close by the onstee- Ronal means placed in our power. The noble lenl (the Earl of March) says that there has been a diminatos of the rent-roll of property belonging to the Dulcet liteh. mond. The Earl of MARCH said that hie statement won made in reply to a statement which had fallen from the hoe. baronet (Sir B. Hall). Mr. COBDEN continued—lt is with the correct ion of the , statement made by the honourable baronet that lam go inig to deal. The noble lord has just told us that his noble relative has experienced a loss of income consequent epee the free-trade policy. (Hear, hear.) I was not aware, foe I did not watch the speech allay lion. friend (hit 11. RAP, that it was the Duke of Richmond who had been alluded to. But do not let hon. gentlemen suppose that if this ' question is to be raised, it will be posiolde to avoid mea lboning noble castles. I have nut heard in the course of nip opportunities—and I live in the neighbourNesd of the mates alluded to—that there has been is reduction of not on them; indeed, I have heard the contrary. (" Oh, obi ' from the ministerial benches.) The Earl of MARCH was sorry again to interrupt the hon. member. This was a matter of a personal nature. The property of a noble relative of his was called lame , tion. Ho now again distinctly stated of his oven know ledge, that the property in the south of England his Nes revalued, and a diminution has occurred ea the whole rental. (Loud cheers.! Mr. COBDEN—I will state exactly what I have bean! in the course of my experience. (Cries of " 0i1...) I. have had many opportunities of inquiring ,if bumf'. of the noble duke, and of residents in the immediat: miglitiourhood of Goodwood, and 1 have heard that ii o :- only has there not been a reduction of rent—(oh, oii) -2 1 when 1 say that there has not been a rehretion of cease . mean that that is not to be applied as a rule to Cie i'' . ,' perty, but only to show that there has not been a gz11""