The Express. — London, England, 1851-03-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 12, 1851. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ---------- new, on the appointment and promotion of officers in the Indian army loot been aduptNl, or sea, eimtermilated, in conformity with the system of examination 4.f officers slaw adopted in the British army; and whather the subjechaof l eac h examination would be l aid before Ana Was t • Mr. WILSON said that fur some tince - Pllnt all ofidirC entering the Indian 110 , iCe had undelaussasaminit,ioa, and that within the last t hree months is risnalation hattbieria to establi,hed whereby a strong' that. be was lat aniiiwahit these o ffi cers, and that all oft were eet to that test. (Hear.) METROPOLIS BUILDINGS BILL. Mr. LUSHINGTON expressed pa w. y that this bill would not by hastily discussed, particularty at a late hour HOUSE OF LORDS.—TresnAT, 11.txcli 11. The Luau CH ANceLlarti took hie seat at o'clock. PETITIONS PRIISEN TEO. PAPAL AGUILLMION.-11 . 1 the lie.hok , of NOILWICIL Dom Northunalwrbutd ; and Lord STANLEY, from N'or -4sl,ttn,t P.t141 atgriasien. Away enr eaAt. Histniss.—Cy Lord STANLEY, from Wakefield and a place in Suffolk, complaining of agricul tural distress and fret trade. Jawten lit,..usittrß Lord STANLEY, front a plaee not heard, against the • uf Jews into parlia ment. Li.OrTIIOLD TINUUIt. —By the Muis of LANS DOWNE, from Bath, for the tnfran ch.,emcnt of copy bolds. PAPAL AfiGRESSION. Earl lITZWILLIAM hail been entrusted with a peti tion Henn Cork against the Ecele-instical Ilia, which he could not lay on the tables, IP tan . . that lell hail not yet l e their lordships' bower but he differed altogether Iran the opinions calocsosl by the petitioners, and he wished to state hi. en. , on the subject of that bill, which the ordinary channels of information (to which they could snit shut their eye.) told them had been materially alts nil. He was ;Loan., iron the source. he had alluded to, that a moasure had been introduced into the other house for pre venting tie ie.oiniption 01 titles by the newly-appointed Roman atholic lle highly approved of that mea sure, but thieight it would be render , d quite ineffectual by the rourse whie.i it apps-anil the government had taken with referent— to this dl :and he could out believe, with the sidatinieuts which he knew their lordships entertained on thi sob jei t, that Hoc wo uld give their are-ent to such a measure. 111- hoped, `if their lordships legislated at all, they would legislate cite Wally. (Hear, hear.) lie was sorry to leant that the I.:AUNIA likely to give effect to the measure .eft• to be omitted. lour hundred members of the other how. , voted fur the bill tog:Oust the sixty or seventy who voted against it, and therefore it was clear what the Feeling of the other house and of the people of this country was 011 OW subject, and he was se.tunished to hear that the main features of the measure were abandoned by them who brought it forward. if the clauses proposed to be °nutted were atrandoued the measure would he inoperative, and tin gi.lature would be txposisl tu ridicule and con tempt. (Ili hear.) it wan to be lain , anal that this course hail Iran taken, and that parliament and the eteeu titre woual this. disappoint the expectations of the country at large, .11.1 gee to the catholic hierarchy that power which the bill sought to deprive them of. (Hear, hear.) He oohed to ask whether it was true that this course was 10 ire perostil in) Ile could hardly belicte it ; but if it wan, it might well recite the apprehensions of the people. 11 no ineitoin , had been introduced, it would have been • doff riot Omar, hut the ripe tuitions of the people had been tacited and, to soma extent, satedied, by the introduction of a bill which partly tact the evil, and which was now Vibe r.sluceil to a mere clause, declaring the assuniptiou of the tide. illegal. (Hear, hr are The Marlins of LA:43IW )mrsE, in reply to th, ques tion 01 the noble earl, had no hesitation in stating that curtain alts rations had been announced as intended to be mode ir the lull in opirstem. How far three alterations wool.; stbse the preaciplc of the measure was a q ueetion who their lord.haps would have to entertain alien the bill, .0 altered (41141 nn rup• could Usti with what other alte ration.) reached their liirdshilei . house. Ile could only say that he theorist the alterations which hail been referred to did nit mat , ',ally affect the principle of the bill, which he thought lio noble Intuit misapprehended. FIIAWILLIANI ...Oil thy alteration% might nut affect the principle of the hell, but they rendered it utterly in e rfietise. (Hear, hear.) MEItCANTILE MARINE. Lord couliEsTEkt gave notice that he should, on Titania:ly nest, ..k whether it was the intention of the go vernment to intr o duce ray measure for the consolidation et the law relative to the mercantile marine. Their leredshipi then, at a quarter before six o'clock, adjourned. that evening. Loral SEI MOl.ll said he would postpone it until Monday next, when be would fix a day for htinging it on. ASSESSMENT AND LAW OF SETTLEMENT. Mr. Alderman SIDNEY asked whether the President of the poor law board could inform the house when the bill for the more equitable assessment to the relief of the poor and the alteration of the law of settlement would come on ? Mr. BAINES said that in the present state of public Mishima it was impossible to answer the question. EXTRAMUItAL INTERMENTS. Mr. MOWATT said the right hen. baronet the home secretary must be aware that great anxiety was felt through out the metropolis respecting the bill of last session for in terments out of large towns. Ile wished to know when the bill would he carried out, and what were the difficulties standing in the way of its being acted upon ? Sir G. filtEY said the change effected by the bill had been • very extensive one, and that many preliminary measures were neceseary before that change could he made. The attention of the Boon' of Health was directed to the subject. and they had made arrangements with a view to the general adoption of the provisions of the bill. They must, however, obtain the metropolitan cemeteries in order that they might be made cemeteries under the act. Nego tiations with that view had been going on with the different companies, with some of whom he was afraid that there was no great prospect of coming to any voluntara. arrange mint Still, it was only right that the board should have made the attempt; and, if the attempt eventually failed, ' the requi.itc notices would he given, and matters would go to • jury or be settled by arbitration. The desire, however, was to bring the act into operation at the earliest possible period. (Rear, hear.) W(X./DS AND FORESTS. Lord DI:NCAN then rose to submit the following motion, of which he hail given notice :—" Whereas it appears by returns laid before this house, and before the select committee of wood., forests, works, &e., that daring • period of seven years (from 1842-3 to 1848-9) the gross income derived from the powiessione and land revenues of the Crown has amounted to 2,446,78)1. and that out of this sum only 771,0001. has been paid into t hel public account at the Exchequer; and whereas during the same period it appears that a sum amounting to 1,672,7861. has been withheld for charges of collection end management, and for other expenses charged upon the said revenues, it is expedient, with a view to place the expenditure of this branch of the public service under the more immediate control of parliament, that the grins income derived from the said revenues should hereafter he paid into the Etche quer, and that the necessary expenses for collecting and managing the same should he voted by this house, upon esti mates to lie annually .uhari it tell to peril:Linen t her Majesty's government." lie had most anxiously expected that a simi lar m o tion would have been made by his noble friend at the bead of the government; and if his noble friend had shown any disposition to deal with the subject, he (Lord Duncan) should not have been bold enough to come forward with the present proposition. But, having sat as chair man of a committee of that house on the sub ject of the woods and forests, and being well acquainted with many irregularities in that department, he should have been wanting in his public duty if he had failed in bringing forerun' the motion on the present aces lien. (Hear.) Now it would be in the recollection of the house that his noble friend at the head of the government had last year proposed to bring in a bill on this subject. Tho bill was brought in and laid on the table; it was, how ever, postponed from week to week, and at the end of the seanon was coneigned to the "tomb of all the Capulets," whither so many oilier bills had been consigned before it. At the commencement of the present session he (Lord Dun ll can) had taken the hherty of asking a qui a tom with regard to the renewal of that bill. Having received an unsatisfactory answer from his noble friend, he now brought forward his own proposition, which was calculated to apply a remedy to the evils of which he complained. hear.) Now, he should wish to recall to recollection the year 1848—a year in which vari ous committees were appointed, with regard to various por tion. of the revenue. Committees were then appointed with reganl to the anoy, navy, Ordnance, and miscellaucous tr I Coutes ; but one of the moat important provineeeof that house was to institute an inquiry into the revenue of the Woods and 'Fort-eta, which appertained to the crown, and to her Ma jesty, and which were placed under the guardianship of the House of Commons. He had moved fur a committee on the subject. A select committee was appointed. That I select committee placed hint in the chair, though they might 'may have selected a more experienced member. lie hail never had an opportunity of serving on a public. committee before ; but he thought it his duty during that inquiry to I visit various portions of thole domains of the crown, and be was thus mudded to bring forward in the committee room up stairs and to call attention to various irregularities which hail escaped uotice. Now, he desired it to be dis tinctly unilenitood that he wished to make no attack on hie noble friend at the head of the Woods and Forests (Lord Seymour? . .. lit believed that noble lord had done his best to remedy t varime.irregularities; but his wish im this occasion was, not to bring any public charge against u public de partment, but simply to vindicate a great principle, and to raise the question,—whether it was for the advancement of her Majesty's service to expend the public money without the control of parliament. (Hear.) The control he wished to see exereinal was not only over the office of Woods, but over government, for many of the charges in this department of the Woods was the same us those iu the miscellaneous estimates; and, therefore, if they wilted to incur au expense without the knowledge of parliament, they had only to defray it out of the land revenue, and omit it altogether in the miscellaneous estimates. The revenue was 3.10,000/., and the expenditure 192,0001.; a sum of 192,0001. spent in the management of a revenue of 3.10,01.10/. (Hear, hear.) The land revenues of the crown were derived from three sources 'Ube first was household property in London (in Whitehall, St. James s, Itagent'a-park, Tower, &c.? ; leasehold estates in different parts of the kingdom; tee farm rents, unworn, mince, parks, and other property in the immediate oceopatiou of her Majesty; the Rolls estate, and several her snuffler brunches of revenue in Eng land and Wale., Scotland and Ireland, cominitted by parliament to the custody of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests. 'Elie great national bailiff over all this property was his bun. friend the Secretary for the Trea sury, and coneidering the demands on his time, however pint his respect for him, he (Lord Duncan) could not but protest against his having so much property committed to his management. With regard to much of this property, when inquiry was made Ly the committee over which he had presided as to the rental, the answer re turned was that there was no rental. There was no rental from the property in Wales, in Ireland. in Scotland, or the Isle of Man ; and fee farm rents, which had been given over to the commissioners in 1834, and valued by Mr Wilken at 1,0001., had never been collect, and the rental was lust. The second branch of the crown property was the royal parks of St. James's, Hyde-park, and others is various parts of the metropolis, the produce of which woo 11,026 i., and the gross expenditure, 61,729/. (Hear, hear.) The third portion was the royal forests, 17 in number, comprising the New Forest in Ilammhire of 60,000 acres; the Forest of Dean in Glouccatershire, about 'NAM acres; and others, containing altogether about 1111,000 acres. This property had been valued at two millions, with an income of 36,3931., and an ex penditure of 37,6811., there being an excess of ex penditure in a property of two millions. (Hear, hear.) Was it not monstrous that that property was pro ducing nothing to the national Exchequer ? (Hear, hear.) But let not the house think that this money was not com ing out of the public maw. This property was made over to parliament to pay the civil li t—(hear, hear)—and if it was left iu such a condition as to be without preluce, the house was to blame to allow it. Lord Duncan gave a short history of this source of thO ancient royal revenues and its existing system of maatagenicat, and he then pointed out the great irregularities in the system itradf, as well as iu the mode of keeping the accounts, which had been discovered by the select committee over which he had presided. The tint is it oci. ea a mined was the Earl of Carlisle, thou chief com missioner of the woods and forests. The committee had not pnweeded far in its labours before they became aware that oneaderable confusion and irregularity existed in the keeping of the accounts . In order to show this he would read a copy of a letter from Mr. Anderson, who had been appointed to look into the accounts. lie said— .h • fe ea art state aeopunts I. as knows the ledgers of the &par meet have sal; b en completely posted sad b arced to the fist of March, In 8 ; all the Winn saitairqueat to rut date ire dr& c int in eanscparnee of the maim o mi..i in of the roman• of the agents or .te.mte MUMMA of the department. I need net twirl out th t such liadato a seect the whole tra it. 'be baits for he lest nine pars. See sec taste hare orb ham made up art tramonitced to the eorrenummers of audit or ,I - =nation up to the 31at of March,king an saves ed five years. Thin. arena mil e mice Indians that the system upon which the acceun • are ars fa puritans in that Amp ally and celeritt which are eweidial to eke imuoi r &sone' of barano— ; but it it sea defective in other reap cu. la addition to mole iced transfer between secant., Ostastoistat by the temp...rosy it, ..f funds belanalla to patileulat amounts to de ft. .y services t r she. bum bilasee may be deb.:tent, the ay-tea des sat Idl m out that c:ear woman of the rums which Is respared is enable the 4,1 t emulate their sometimes with certainty. Tbus capital do tour, ble.aled with incase, and der boats do nut tr taw far tee payments to the hastisquier are Juatitel by surpa. ! tanome. The reading of that letter alone would have justified him in maim, a motion for estimates being laid before the' house. If there had been an unusual report of the accounts, such letter could not have been written. Atter the com mittee had examined the Chief Commissioner, by his aeons. mencLtion they selected the Forests as the tiro subject of inquiry, because that branch of the department had not been inquired into since 1797. The royal forests were origi n illy set apart tu places of sport foe our kings, and being watched with great jealousy, no irregularity took place; hut in time the honest laws were not so strictly kept. The forests wise.. governed by officers and laws peculiar to them- 1 itelvel. The forest courta were three in number—the At- I tachment Courts were held monthly, the Verderes' Court+ held three times • year, and the Court uf the t:liief Justice in Eyre held once every three scam. Three sets of others were appointed, the ranger's estaLlish 'Rent to look aver the deer, the venleren appointed by the freeholder, to look after their sights, and the third were ape pointed by the OulaMidolialeff of woods and foreste to look after the growing timber. The duties of looking after the cowing timber and attending to the deer did not seem to Tv, congenial. When he (Lord Duncan) went to Tuft W Few !veva, he &coveted that the greaten coshuicia 1101:23K OF COMMONS.—TcrArkvr, MARCH The Seua= task the char at four E c lock. PRIVATE B U SINS. Sr.iran Rea mstio.—lkeby and Ashburn Road ; Lan erallin and Yorkshire Railway (fifth shares) ; Wexford Ere.. Bridge *guru.lment ; WWI. SM IT II VI ELD MARE ET ENLARGEMENT BILL. Cru the motion of Sir J. Doan the second reading of this 1.41 po.tponetl to Monday wet. PUBLIC BUSINESS. WRIT Felt DUNUAItVAN. Mr. eI.EMENT.s mor.i the hour of a new writ for the of a member rar the borough of Dongarvan, in the room of the Right lion. Richard fakir Shed, whn had accept. of the Ohre asuman! of the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr. *RAW ItIUIIT a krd when the right hon. gentle men had accept. el the .kite in question Mr. HAYTI.* replied about ten ills ago. A new writ for the election of a member fur Dungurean was acco rdingly ordereoN d to PET rfls M r Kt:V.I7ILE MARINE ALT. - By Col. FREESTUN, from the merchants, shipowners shipmasters, and seamen of the port of Weymouth , for th e repeal of the Mercantile Marine Act of Iwo .1 , 411,11 ; and by Mr. HUME, from the shipping interest of Montt..., praying for an alteration of thu prejudicial dower* Id that act. fin ITtt FILL M A —lly . Mf. EV FINN, from Choi, icy, Ailillratime, and Rgham, in Surrey, and from Staium, in Miran us; Mr. MASTEIIMAM, from butchers of the City of tendon; Mr. Ald. SIDN KY (2), from butchers of the inctropoli., and libui from the Billingraate fish salesmen; Sir IL PEC HELL, from 49 butcher' of Brighton ; Sir W. CLAY, from the butchers of Hominy awl Bow ; Mr. HENLEY, from graticn, in Oxfordshire; Mr. WAR LEY, ban butchers of Islington and Findoury ; Mr 11. DRUM MOND, from graziers in Surrey; Mr. ROutv.icr PALMER, (non butchers of the town of Hungerford ; Sir B. HALL, from butchers of Marylehone ; mrainst the removal at Smithfield Market. By Mr. J. ANIS, from 207 in habitant. of the City of London, in favour of its removal. Trisiteet Merits.— By Mr. lIUME, from WO ship wright. on the River Weir, statiog that ships built at foreign ports of foreign timber were admitted into England and freely registered, whilst the timber r.ikuirtil to build ship. in Englund %TA% 41%.4.41 -complaining, therefore, of unjust competition, and pruyiug for u repeal of the timber Toe Con. AND NAVIGATION LAWA.—FIy Mr. BANK ES, from numerous owners and occupiers of land in Dorset, stating that frie trade had signally faded—that its Nardi.... on agriculture was injurious—and that the repeal of the navigation laws had damaged the shipping interest, and the for a revision of the tariff and impart duties, for the imposition of a tax on the foreign prailueer and importer, nodal. for a revision of thu art of parliament by 'huh the navigation laws were repealed. PAPAW. DUTIKA.—By Sir T. ACLAND, from magistrates of Ikroushire, fur the repeal of the duties on paper. WINDOW Tax.—Br Mr. MUNDY, from Blackburn ; Mr. ALEN.. lIASTIE, from lord Provost and magistrate. of Glasgow Sir W. CLAY, trim Shadwell; in favour of re the peal 1:f the window tax, without the substitution of any other impost in ben thereof. 1.4,1,04 r Tax.—By Mr. WAKLEY, from an individual (name not heard). complaining that income arising from professional lOLITI/OIDI should be taxed in the vune manner as realised property, and praying fur the ahulition of the income tat. Cocstv Bovidis.—ltd Mr. EVELYN, from the guar• dents of Its, Dorking Union, Surrey; and by Sir If. OBEY, from ratepayers of a place in Northumberland; in favour of comity financial Marla. I,sw of Sri TISAIENT.—ny Mr. HENLEY, from Board of Outirdiana en Oztardaltire, for an eztensiun of the law of settlement, and a more equitable adjustment of the area of rating. BORNEO. Mr. II VME gave notice that he would move on Monday fortnight that the house do institute an inquiry into the transactions which took place on the west coast of Borneo, iu which a large number of the natives were massacred. CEYLON. . Mr. ItAl 1.1.1 E gave notic e that he would on that day fortnight call the attention of the house to the ..vidence taken before the whet committee on the affairs of Ceylon, and move certain resolution. to the effect that the house, haring taken that evidence into consideration, was of opinion that our proeoeilinp , in the island Awl been etre.- air. , and utincossarily oven ; that the infliction of heavy punishments for alleged °Mme.'s after the disturbances had been ruppossed was at variance with British rule; and that the conduct pursued hail been precipitate and injudi cious, tending to MAR.& a dangerous precedent. SCOTC II FORTY-SI! I LLING FREEHOLDERS. Mr. U. SMITH gave notice that he would on that day fortnight move filf leave to bring in • bill to enable forty atuLLmtttt to vote for shire. in Scotland. PIIESSU RR ON I RPM AGRI(' I: LTL T R E. Colonel DI'N'N F. gave notice that he would on that day fortnight move for an inquiry into the causes of the preamns on agriculture in Ireland. 'TRANSFER OF 11(1511 PROPERTY. Mr. SADLEIR gave notice that he would on an early day move for an inijairy into the causes which impeded the transferal' property in Inland. DUNCA' 4'111f:1101.M ulisio GEORGE MATT II lEWS. Mr. SCULLY moved for copies of correspinulene.. rola. Gar to the CAW of this individual, an aboomdird clerk (Fowl the oSes , of the Chief Seeretary for Ireland. -Agreed to. TRINITY COLLEGE. DUBLIN. Mr. SCULI.Y moved for a return of all land. and hereditasi,.nt. to which the bill now pending in the house infit a hQ, •• A Bill to extend the leasing powers of the corporate body the Provost. Fellows. and Scholar. of the College of the Holy and Undivided Trinity of Queen Eliaabeth. near Ihiblin, and a 1... of the Pro vovt thereof in hie corporate capacity, and to enable theta to make- manta of lands in perpetuity to their lessees he ...main mom—Agreed to." RAMSGATE AND MARGATE 'HARBOURS. Mr. MOFFAT asked the }lnt Isirilofthe .kdiuiralty who. Sher it ia the intention of government to adopt the memos asendationof t liecleet committee of last mosicni.onitllll4,(9lte sal Margate Hatboara. in regard to the alinlitiim of duo, or toll* now enacted (non vessels not actually entering the Mekong of Bassastate Sir F. RARING said the hon. cosMwr wit pro'ribly tWife that the government had no contr-I over the auk+ in —*ram /hay of them had been imputed either by cons that house by nettle of art of pArliament. • engineer to furnish the Admiralty information on the subject. and he would answer the hum. gentle- THE INDIAN ARMY. - of the Seeretsry ot the Bond 41 47441 a eing4W44. tad 21. and irregularity prevailed. The Earl of Carlisle had place , ' parliament, had been sold to the extent of 696,000!. One I him in communication with the deputy surveyor, Mr. J. part had been solil fur 341,0001., and it was a private treaty 1 herd, who was then manager of the forest. Ile had not gone between the commissioners on the unchand and private per far into the lined whew he saw timber lying by the. road, sons on the other. Now, the 10 Geo. I V.,cap. 69, which was , hdi pat...agrek with-the, catalogue sent tn the cues- the set ander which the property was manage% provided, r ae ion ' Mt; Hein, hi reply to his iriries, Petered and very remerly, that money derived front sales of land to h winker and setifor France. (Laughter.). Ons should be Invested in other property to an equal extent. In Lis coming and stain/ what he hail soen, the govern- the report of the evidence it would be found in the *tent appo int Major Freiman to inquire Into the matter, examination of the third commissioner of the Woods fend who s t ireport, - r. which stated in effect, ts that a and Forests, Mr. Milne, that the sum of 300.000 L great quantity of timber was stolen by purchase et the had been invested Now, iu property whithechhouse had not proved ld time of the periodical sales, and that them was a great deli- very profita. who s eiency in the lobe and that a great many more trees were access be able to explain such a cave as this. The noble touted to be eat down than the nuniber stated in the reports." lord then thanked the house ter the patient and in- Major Freeman said that • system of robbery had been dulgent hearing which they had granted to him, and be going on fur years, and every one in the neighoourhood submitted that he had made out a case. If the charges named to think that the forests belonged to them. This now stopped out of the annual income of the Woods and could not have happened if mutual estimate. had been laid Forests were annually voted, 'l t h e p the public accounts would be before the house. He would not go at length int o the case much more intelligible. ng contended that the °Mee of all the forests which he had visited, beginning with of works should be separated from that of woods and land the New Forest and ending with Chopwell, in the revenue, Lord Duncan concluded by saying that those county of Durham. In respect to Whychwousl, the corn- hon. members who thought that the preseut management mutes found that the crown had been at law with the here- was good and effective would be justified in voting against dreary ranger Lord Churchill, for many years; indeed, the motion he proposed. lint he naked the support of sinoe 1831 ; ; A nt during that period, though the timber those gentlemen who concurred with him in thinking that was too ;dice, no wood hail been cut by either party, and it would be beneficial to have annual estimates dare' upon that the lawsuit, though it had never been heard, hail the table, and that the house ought to demand those cost the crown 6,0001., and that it had never estimates both for the present good and for the prospective been alluded to in the annual reports to parliament. benefit of the revenues of the crown. (Hear, hear.) The The suit had only abated by the death of Lord noble lord concluded by handing in his motion. Churchill, and it was only a chance that it had not been re- Lord SEYMOCIt said that the noble lord who had newed long before this. Before such suits were commenced just .at down had given so much of his time in the opinion of that house should have been taken a. to attendance upon the committee and to everything whether so great an expenditure should be incurred. With connected with the interest of the land revenues, regard to another forest, that of Waltham, when he visited and the Woods and Forests that any speech from him upon it he found it in the greatest confusion, and that almost all the subject was deserving of the best attention of the house. the land was appropriated by the neighhouring proprietors (11ear,Isear.) Ilc (Lord Seymour) would say at the outset land various lawsuits had been commenced. One lawsu that he was as independent in any opinions he might eK- I had been commenced in 11443 and was going on in ISI S press upon the subject as any hon. member of the house. which had never been heard of, as usual, and which had For 1848 and 1849 heaves no more responsible fur the Woods been th e pored from year to year. Ile (Lord Duncan) had and Forests than any other member of the house. There asked the solicitor of the Woods and Forests if rilaiiv wit- fore it was obvious he was able to give an opinion nehmen • mews had not been When to the assizes at Chelmsford, and dentist. Before he went to the office he had thought he he stated that about thirty had been taken there for the should find the land revenues diminished and re defendants. A great expense had been thus incurnd, while duced, and that they had been so mismanaged the trial of the case had been leistponed, the ma- that whenever they reverted to the crown they son assigned being that the judge, Mr. Justice would be found seriously impaired. Ile called Culeridge, had not time to try it. The AttorneGencrul for the gross return of On , land revenues from the time hail received a special retainer of three hundred guineas from which every reform hail been dated, namely, the re besides his brief fee (and this for merely putting on his w ig, port of Fordyce and others in 1794, and lie asked himself for the caw was not tried), and he thought there had been a what was the increase and decrease of the revenues. He most expensive series of litigation, the great part of which would state a very short summary of that, showing that ell on the Woods and Forests. The public paid this because whosoever was to blame, the revenues were not in that tie ono the accession of the Queen those estates were handed plumbic. and lamentable state and condition which his noble over to the house ; and, if they allowed this to go on, they friend haddeseribed. In the year 1789, the amount of grow M eiotic would be to blame. A hon. friend of his had just cone of lauds in England and Wale. was 19,6001, in 1799, asked him who paid the Attorney-General his three linu- they had grown up to 21,600/. • in 1809, to 42,0001. • in 1819, dred guineas. Why, the Commissioners of Woods and to 120,0001. •in 11429, to 183,101.11. ;in 1839, to 188,106/. ; and in Forests, with the public money. (Hoar, hear.) There 1819-50, to 103,300/. That was the state of the income of the were five forest. in which the rights of the crown were not land revenues of the crown in England and Wales. Ile separated from those of individuals, and which remained as had then asked for the account of the land revenues of they were in 1797. There were other forests in which the Scotland, which hail been transferred to the cominissioners rights of the crown had been defined and freed from all in 1832. Perhaps they had been mismanaged. But he intermixture with the rights of individuals. The found that while in 1831-32, they had amounted to 14,9001., committee found that the commissioners had per they had risen in 1849-10, to *29,8001. (Hear, hear.) lle sued the policy of planting oaks for the use had next asked for the accounts of the land revenues of the of the navy and when in 1797 the commissioners recom- isle of Man, which were transferred to the Commissioner,' mended that the forests should be kept up it was said that of Wood,. and Forests in 1427-8, and he had found, on if any other wood should happen to Ise supplied to the 'searching them, that while the income in that year (1827-8) navy the forests should be cut down and the money pro - had been 1,4011., it had risen in 1649-30 to 5,000/. (Ilene, dured by the sale lodged for the benefit of the crown. Inoue hear.) lie had thund therefore that, upon the whole, forest, that of Delamere, this expensive experiment had coot whatever the mismanagement hod becu, there was the country 45,0001. In Chopwell there was aunnfortunate yet hope that much would be recovered. (Hear, hear.) hurricane by which a large portion of the wood after it was lie then wanted to see if there really was any part of the planted was - blown down. In the forest of Saluey in North- crown property which had been well munagial ; and ns he amptonshire, an extraordinary appointment had been made was at that time in a position to ascertain particulars pla in the year 1827—that of Mr. Kent. Ile took the account tive to the London property, he called for the returns and of it from the evidence of Mr. Milne , the weentilcominieso ner. accounts of that district, by which he found that the amount He (Lord Duncan) wind what was the profession of of crown rents in London was 1.37, 8831 ., and that the cost Mr. Kent, and the answer was that he had been a of collecting the rents was only 1,0001. (Hear, hear.) Ile clerk in a solicitor's office in the City. The hon. member could not see that there was bad management in that re sult at least. (Hear.) Then lie looked. to the proposition fur Oxford—a member of the committee — a sked if Mr. Kent hail ever had anything to do with the management of tim- which hail been brought forward by his noble friend, bee before, and the answer was that he had not. lile. Kent and found his statement to be, that, while the went down to Solcey and remained there six years. lie gross income of the land revenues of the crown had sent in annual reports of his proceedings, and about the end amounted, during a period of seven years (from 1812 3 to of the sit years he sent a letter to the commissioners. 18414-9), to 2,446,7831., out of that sum only 774,0001.' stating that one of his sureties had failed. On this there had been paid into the exchequer. His noble friend was an investigation, and it was found that Mr. Kent hail further stated that the sum withheld for charges of cut clown timber, and made away with about 4 , 0001 . of the collection and management amounted to 1 , 6 7 2 ,7 83 /. , and profits. He ran away, and some year after he was taken, concluded that that sum had evaporated because: the House tried, and transported. The 4,0001. was never mentioned of Commons had no proper control over it. In calling for in the annual report to parliament. It was in vain to talk a return of the grows income paid into the exchequer it was of economy if such practices were allowed to continue, al s o necesaary to call for the balance standing to the credit and it was in vain to look to the annual report of the Com- of the land revenues. Now, on the Ist of April, 1819— which was the time at which this paper was made up — by miesioner% of Woods and Forests for infinmation, because they contained no mentiou of the mutters which he had the balance-sheet he found that there was a large sum, stated. Ile did not attach blame to the individuals then which was no part of the income of the land revenue, which holding the offices of Commissioners of Wields mid Furcate, had been taken, not by the office of Woiels and Forests, but he did blame the system by which there never was any nut by the government, but by parliament. (Hear, hear.) calling to account of these officers on the part of parliament, Parliament had taken considerable sums by acts of purls- aud he must again say that if estimates had been laid before ment, so reducing the balances in the exchequer. Some of parliament there would have been none of these irregulari- these were old transactions, dating in the time of Charles ties. These unfortunate persons were the victims of a 11. There was one instance in which the amount of Pays ments ordered by parliament, within a series of seven years, I temptation they could not racist , and it was the want of control by parliament, of which the house ought to be amounted to 138,600/. Nut only that, parliument had heartily ashamed, which hail enabled them to commit itself interfered with purchases, and in other ways, as in' case of the minister's stipend in Dean Forest ; and ut other these irregularities. There were no maps or surveys o f t he forests before the meeting of the committee, but all the land Vases, and fur ether pummels parliament had appropriated hadbeen converted into plantationeof timber fortheusenf the 78,0001. more, making a sum of 216,0001. tnat must be de navy. That beingsnletthe houacjudgeof Ins surprisewhenbe ducted from the balance. Now, all thew sums had been moved for a letter addressed by Mr. Barrow, the Secretary taken by act of parliament ; and yet the house was now to the Admiralty, to Mr. Milne in 1833, in which he stated, called upon by hie noble friend to declare, by resolution, " 1 am torntnanded by my Lords Commissioners of the that a awn of 1,672,783/. had been withheld for charges and expense% of management, and charged against the Admiralty to send you herewith a comparative statement of the expense of proeuring oak timber from the Kings forint., revenues. But by whom ? Why by parliament. (Hear, and by contract. and I am to acquaint you that it hear) In all these old and past transactions he (Lord is no longer the interest of the public to pay Se Seymour) hail of course no interest, but the gentlemen a load with all the attendant expenses for timber sup- who had preceded him in the office were equally, of course, plied to the dockyards from the King's forests." Mr. anxious that the statement should be fairly made. (lieer, hear.) Hie noble friend at the head of the government had Barrow stated that the cost of a load of wood fr om the Woods and Forests Was 8/. 12s. 7d.; whereas it could he stated what was very true—that the wisest course would be got from a contractor for 6/. Is (Hear, hear.) This was to divide the office of works front the Office of woods and out stated in the reports presented to the house, and they land revenues, and that whatever expenses were incurred hail not been able to judge if it was worth their while under the office of works should be voted by parliament, to incur such an additional expense in the rearing and that the laud revenues should become more within of timber. 'There had been no opportunity of debating and subordinate to the functions to generalrevenue. Raynor the question or entering into an examination of the true been told of the charges that had been alleged against the Woods and Forests he had been anxious to make himself state of thinms when they only had such reportsas thine, and which never came under the eyes of members of the house, acquainted with the management so les to enable him to be of The question he had now to ask was. whether with such in- Use in the house, and he had not only availed himself of the stances as he had given of the position in which the woods opportunities afforded in the office but had visited meet of and Forests stood, the house would allow the crown estates these forests. (Bear, hear.) When the Reputation was to remain in the condition in which they were a year and a made, and when the house had to pars votes lin a large half ago ? (Hear, hear.) lle now came to the question of Istrt of the expenditure, he did not believe that they the niaitattentent of the estates, and he thought he eliould would eueeeed in reducing it. If they would look le alile to show such results as fully to juoti:y him in mal t - at the hut report of the Commissioners of Woods iug this motion. Previously to the appointntent of the corn- and Forests they would see what they would have mittee, the present Duke of Newcastle, who had been chief to vote upon, and the details they would have to commissioner of the Wools and Forests, mood for a return attend to—such as the propriety of the drainage of property of the income and expenditure of the Wools and Forests in one spot—the reduction of a fanner's noes iu another district—the assistance to be given to a fanner on some for the last ten years, which had been !aid before the committee, and he would read the results of that return:— other property to drain his lands ' • and matters of that kind, The gross income of the Woods and Forsist% for 7 year, all of them small aunts and small affairs, ever which, he had 1842-3-1848-9, was 2,446,783/. • the sums paid into the much doubt that parliament would exercise, an efficient con- Exchequer duringthe same period were 774.0.10/. ; the differ- trot. (Hear, hear.) Ile had found by his experience on cafe, or amount withheld, was 1,612,7851. l'he expendi- committees, and learned front those who hail served with tore by the return ap pears to have lawn durino the same him upon committee',committee',committee', that if there was one principle more period, 1,556,085/. ehe difference is an increase of the clear titan another it was this — that the House of Commons might lay down good sound principles for the general guid- Isalanee in hand 117,7001.; to recount far the expend i t ure of which no subsequent returns have yet been laid before mice of the conduct of a department, but that the house parliament. The gross rece i pts for the land revenue in itself could not exercise efficient and independent control s' ........ —...- - over the details of the de partments of the country. (Hear.) . . . , .. . . would de ' year' On round numbera 2710,0001. per annum) was t,983,921/; the expenditure charged on the *ame (about 00,000/. per annum), 637,6141.; being a charge of that 11.- ' the crown revee it was a hopeless built for them, and they . do better to confine themielves to their function in laying duou good era, , , fur the management of the property and .. . ... had f them • In -...:,,0 m ratt'1t.7t., h.. He had authorm‘l the vizi with some neetwou7 in whoa that was furnialted , ma's question. OFFICERS Di I ]lr. EVART inquired Gated *Was mg spat E l l' a ' .. B l..a . re N .e F t. :l 2.: l ;w S apaH N .rr i i 'l n W th! ' w — er l :d. he L n LO " T t lri e r 'l 7 .l? " KL i i Imd misundetstood hie (Lord Duncan's) motion. 11e (Lord 1 tNlaiN NEWSPAPER Ilalltilift. Sixty large rola •or the' Duncan) did not sal that the money was withheld from ! pobli•h•vi •r, r 7 Saturday parliament, hut that it was withheld front payment.; into the ' exchequer. serf lie (Lord Duncan) had taken the returns as his I lat. et intelligence [to the torment of pubdeatiou) from all pataof the I i eArr ht n.e re . tho T, l i7 ., Ca p ; ,,,,L OSSW irr o k f e the Vret. I. authority. The noble lord (ti..ymour) would find in the' world, by eiprere. electric telerranh, and ;Orr rreans, Tr.lardlert of returns that rho gram income derived from the poksessiuna . podage 'tame.. to Edward only Threepence , I...t.free. Send three and land revenacs of the crown had amounted during the Llopl, If, t allatudy,lneoe, London, and seven teals quoted to 2,448,185/., that of this bum only 774,006/. had ineen paid into the exchequer, and 1, 6 72.79. 5 • I receive cue °°PY sa ° serails ; "Prd'r °ran) "." ' 4 '''''' --- - - ----- --- - -- --- bad been withheld for charges of eollixtion and manage- I -- meat. There was still, however, a large sum lett which had never been paid into the exchequer. With regard to the speech of his noble friend (Lord Seymour) he (Lord Duncan) begged to say that he did not grapple with the great question at issue—the great principle as to whether the house should have the control or management of the public money. That was the principle he (Lord Duncan) asserted, and he called on the house to stand up for the principle that they had a right to the control and manage ment of the public revenue. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the house divided, when the numbers were— For Lord Duncan's motion l2O Against it glit erpregio, TO CORRESPONDENTS. dveodaeulentabit-rn—ded (au "The Itzprcsa," London Earning pipar, must be at the Office, 10, Bouwarie.strein, by Two o'cloek oa doe day of publication. - HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. TWO DAT—Mralag. I tem., an Shwa Toutoanow—ardag, WM. Annum", 10b. 2ozi. ld LONDON, WEDNESDAY, MARCIE 12. Majority for the motion Mr. ANDERSON said that in consequence of commu nications he had had with the noble lord at the head of the Foreign-uthee, he would postpone his motion in reference to the imposition of additional duties imported or exported in Spanish ships. DETENTION OF FEMALES IN RELIGIOUS HOUSES. . . --• TILE fact is that ministers had made up their minds to take a holiday all through Issl ; and so definitively had they taken that resolution that every serious business, even what most engrossed the ex pectation of the country, was postponed. Electoral reform, reduction of the estimates, reform in the Woods and Forests—any and every thing was thrown overboard. 18.11 was, nevertheless, the year in which the most serious steps were to ho taken for the renewal of the East India Company's Mr. LACY obtained leave to bring in a bill to prevent the forcible dl:tention of females in religious houses. FREIGHT MONEY. Sir G. PECIIELL moved for a return of the several sums of freight money received by the treasurer of Green wich Hospital, sines the net day of February, 18,10, with the date of such payments , and whethe r on public or private account; also, the name of the ship or vessel in which the treasure was conveyed, and of the captain or officer commanding the same. The right hon. member then went on to comment upon the pract ice which had prevailed of smuggling specie, and stated that in consequence of it he was himself a poorer man than he would otherwise have been. Sir F. BAILING said that in consequence of a communi cation received from the Mexican government grid orders had been given to prevent the smuggling of spvvic. The returns moved fur were ordered. INCUM BERED ESTATES.—APPEALS. Col. DUNNE moved for returns of all appeals from the decision of the commissioner for the sale of incumbered estates in Ireland, with the decision of the privy council on each such appeal : and, of applications made to the said commissioners, or any . of them, for liberty to appeal,- and the grounds of application for appeal in each case,--Ordered. charter, and for a readjustment, us a neeessury pre lude to a prolongation of the income tax. Never was a year so ill-chosen for a holiday. And it was chosen without any reference to superior authority. Had Lord Joins ItussEbt, previous to the immuenee ment of the session, summoned all shacks of liberals together, and expounded to them the reasons which existed for not making it a busy session, for ad journing this question, and but temixiratily settling others, his friends, and even his foes, would havo listened to him, and something like a bargain might have been struck. Instead of this all was mystery and silence, until the break down of the budget. A crisis ensued. And how the crisis sus termi nated, if it be terminated, we all know. Here again there was greater necessity than ever for a frank statement, a general understanding. A meeting of ministerial supporters was even summoned for tho purpose, so manifest was the necessity. But on that occasion nothing was said. What was the conclusion that people drew from this silence? It was, that ministers wise prepared. They have abandoned the idea of a do-nothing ses sion. They have taken time to modify their budget, and it will come forth impeccable, at least improved. Sir JAMES GRAHAM could not join tho cabinet at present, it was said: hut as his junction was in prospect, of course the financial arrangements of the year would draw closer to his economical pm pets. We remember it was whispeied in the midst of the crisis, that Sir J.tabs GRIMM was to take the Admiralty, and cut down the estimates by a million or two. Instead of this, we have the old estimates hashed up, no saving, and no GRAHAM even opening his mouth upon the subject. All this is disappoint ing. People .do not know where they are, or to what they tend. 11l humour gains ground. And those who were anxious to give the ministers fair play, are disgusted with their nonchalance, and grow reckless whether they stand or fall. The most unpardonable and irremediable fault of a general is nut to know his weak points. Now, this is too evidently the case with the present ministers. Sir CoAnt.cs W imagined he was going to immor talize himself and fortify the administration by his budget. It was a salvation-budget, he said, and his colleagues believed him! And now we behold the same cabinet confidently reposing in the belief that the Woods and Forests humbug could go on in the old jog -trot, ueeountless, auditless, profitless, a mass festering with jobs, like so many sores, yet to which neither re medy nor salve was to be applied. Into the malversation of the Woods and Forests wo need not enter, having exposed it in narratives and revelations that would till a volume. So gross, in deed, was this malversation, that it was impoasible to recount it seriously. The talc was fit fur CU; VANTES. Aud yet this administration it was gravely pro pmed to continue. A bill, indeed, was introduced lust year to convert the eononission of Woods and Forests into a ministry of public works, leaving the Woods and Forests and the Crown Lands revenues to the same old management. But this, even if carried out, was evidently no effi cient reform. Whilst the half million regularly spent upon the public parks, and apparently in diminishing the portion which the public enjoys of them, would probably not conic under the head of Public Works at all ; and whilst the old admini stration, with all its irregularities, its sinceures, and peculations, would continue, it was not to bo clearly discerned what the proposed hill would effect. Perhaps Lord Joust discovered this, and was reluctant to bring it forward. But with his silence, and with ministerial shilly-shallying alto gether, government exposed itself to be pressed into a division on a question where it was impossible not to go with Lord DuNeAtr. We will be bound to Nay, that half those who voted with ministers did so, condemning them in their hearts. Is it fair in ministers thus to drag their adherents through the mire ? The whip-radicals are patriotic, independent men, naturally anxious that the Whigs should go on, and not abandon the reins of power to the tones. But they cannot support a ministry which will not make due efforts to support itself. Sir CuAnt.Es WOOD is an amiable man, and Lord Srosoun is both ami able and liberal, and has the reputation of a capable man. But a minister who is blind to the opinions of the country and of parliament betrays his party, and is unfit for his post. There is no maxim more irrefrogable than that property, whether landed or monied, that requires management, must be unproductive in the hands of the crown—more unproductive if it belongs to a con stitutional monarch than even if it belong to a de spotic one. The constitutional system is essentially a system of patronage. And whatever a constitu tional monarch or minister has, he is infallibly obliged to make a compliment of. And hence tho Woods and Forests have ever been, and must ever be, a mere nursery of parasites, until the parlia mentary plough be turned into them. At any rate the only way to prevent this consum mation, the only mode of continuing to govern the Woods and Forests by irresponsible coinmissioners, was to show some fair result, some plan well conceived and boldly entered upon, something more than an aug mentation of twenty or thirty thousands a year in the receipts. If Lord SKruoun had eomein as a Scum after Lord CARLISLE with a new law, and an intelligent plan, perhaps the house might have had patience. But the attempt this session to thrust the gala quo in everything down people's throats is more than the patience or the digestion of the public can compass. The times are difficult ones, and require extraor dinary exertions. To hope to go through them with the ordinary men, no more wide awake than they were a month ago, with their ordinary means, and at their old pace, is quite hopeless. We shall, if this be persevered in, have another stand-still or another upset. BaErriv has been long regarded as the soul of wit, and in former times it was esteemed a merit in legislation. The practice of modern days. whether referable to our progress in dulness or in love of detail, has become signally the reverse. Acts of parlia ment have come to be of such prolixity and compli cation, that a table of contents is almost regarded as indispensable; and to hazard an opinion as to the meaning of a clause implies the disciplined courage of a lawyer. To the laity it is no longer given to be able to comprehend the multitudinous provisions of the laws wider which they live. Mr. LOCKE KING appears re,olved to try whether there is any charm in verbosity and technical jar gon. Having somewhat unexpectedly obtained leave to bring in a County Suffrage Reform Bill, he has evidently made up bis mind to give the House of Commons another surprise and this he has, we should think, succeeded In doing, by producing a bill whose terms everybody can understand, and whose total length does not exceed thirty lines! We should not be surprised if so glaring and auda cious an innovation led to the formation of a eon• spiracy among all the big wigs and all the little wigs of tho house; and that upon the second read ing, whenever that shall be, elaborate arguments were resorted to in order to prove that the simple proposition of the ingenuous member for Surrey , ought to be consigned to a select committee, for the QUITANDCILOWN BENTS. In the absence of Mr. FIit:NCH, Col. DUNNE moved fora return of all estates in Ireland on which the quit and crown rents wert• purchased by the commissioners for the sale of iucumbered estates, specifying the rate of purchase, and also the number of years' pur chase at which such estates were sold. The return was ordered. NAVY ESTIMATES. - The report of supply on the navy estimates having been brought up, Mr. 111.: ME rose and said that he desired to place on re cord his reasons for not agreeing to the number of men which had been voted. The hon. member then read a series of resolutions, declaring in substance the Unpulicy of at present voting such a number of men in the face uf so many petitions praying for the reduction of taxation and the relief of the distress amongst owners and occupiers of laud, and asserting that inquiry should have been instituted to see how far the number could be reduced, and that the African squadron should be dispensed with. The resolutions further stated that the number on the books had out generally reached the number voted. The report was then received. COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. This bill posed through committee. 'rho report to be brought up to-morrow (this day). The other orders of the day were then di posed of, and the howte adjourned at a quarter past seven o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. WOODS AND F01 . 3..K51:8... 7. -LOILD DUNCAN'S .. _ __ _ _ ._ _ NOTION. AYE", ITO: NOM, 110. AYES. Ariderky, Chula B. Grace, Outer O. J. Mowatt, Founts Alonek, I bangs Graham, Sir Jaime Noel, Don. G. J. Andersen, Arthor ()rattan, ..enry O'Brian, J. Arkwricht, George Greened, Gilbert Parke, Chariot W. Mollie, 11. J. Grogan, Edward Peeln-11. :Mr George B. Solid, Jame. lialiord,S r Gerry Pinat, Francis !Lakes George Ball, Sir Suljanan Pilkiughoo..JAMle narrow, Wiliam 11. Hard...tie, Joaeph A. Panda; t% ibises U. Stair, Stephen Mantle, .klevaoder Postal, Metvillo Blake, Martin J. Denby, Joweia W. Power, IN. il oar, Thomas W. Hepworth, Lawrence Poorer, Nicholas bright, John Higgins, George G. Prinoep, Henry T. Snore, William Ilothoon ' WiLiem N. Morally, Colonel CATCW, W. I/. I'. Uortiby, John Ituahmi, Capt. Chichester, Lord J. L. Unthion, Lord Italwer, Colonel i Modem Richard Iluinpliery, Mr. AM.. Schisktielil, to illi to Cola, 'lent,. B. Jackson, William Scully, Francis Coal nod, Mr. Ald. Jennya, Earl sitiney, Mr. Aid. Crawford, W. S. Jones, Captain Sotollett, Alexander Limas, Wiiligin Kershaw. James Spooner, Richard istall, thoptnin king, Hon. Peter J. Stasolry. Edward Drionilion 3, WWI. Lacy, Seery C. Sotanhy, lion. E. U. Duckworth, SirJ.T.B. Lennox, Lora II G. Strickland, M., G. 11-.8, George S. Lindsey, Ikon. Cul. Sullivan, Michael Du can, George L cite, Joseph Thiektiowe, Ralph A. Itunemobe, Hue. A. lo.kh irt, Al an E. Thompson, Colonel Dumber, lb urge Lovcden, Pi yin Tyler, sir Georgo Dunne, Colonel Lusloinnfoo, Ciaorles thiquitari, Ikon' kdwards, !leery MAW •nrie, W. F. Verner, Sir William Evelyn, William J. Mackie. John Walnington, 11. S. Swart, William Illacolghttn, Sir Po Wakk7, Thomas Pagan, William Meads r. Thomas Wahnsley, Sir Jaime Velar. a, toward Mangles, It. D. %Max, B. M . G. ri aim, William Manua., Lord John Niiimine,golai Vurilyee, Alex I). Mike, William Williams, William Fortescite, llon.J.'W. Winer. Witham M.E. Willoughby, sir U. Fox, WiiiiIIIII J. Mir h_ll, Thomas A. Wohnomie, E. Firemen. Charles it. Mulaworth, sir Wm. W)rin, IlnrbenW.W. Fuller, Augustus E. Moore, George U. mums. Gib... A , twit.. I. XL Masan, ()oar.. Duncan, Vicomet Goddard, A. L Morris Duval Moue, Joseph 0115. Adair, Robert A. 9. Grey, Ralph W. Pinney, Willem Anson, HIM. COI. Ilallyburton, Lord J. 11.4V.1011, C o t. Amara*, sir A. Ilanalon, Lord Claad 'Lipton. boo. W. J. Arnotrumg. stones IL Barn., Itichaid Ricardo, ()nom Baines Rt. lion. M. Blot iholl. Rt. Ii". J. for. ' , Award es. Wong. Rolls. Sir I. Ham., Benjamin Rich, Ileory Raring, Thormis Merlon, "nos. E. Richards, Rich aid Bedew, Richard 'Raincoat, John 'tonally. Sr John Lerkeley, Admiral Heywood, James Rowell, ..tord Jain lath, Ssr 'Dior. B. Illi.filey, Charles Re 1.184 lion. it. S. Kirin, lion. Colonel 'hideous.", TA .11110 B. sanders, Jusi ph Brockman. E. D. 'lodges, Thomas L. Seymour. lord Brothenon, Joseph lloward, lion. C. W. finnison, John Banbury, Edw. 11. Howard, lin. E. G. G. Smith, lit line. R. V. Busfeild, WlBlB.Ol Kildare, Mao qui.% of Smith, John A. Sumo., Sir halm . . N. Lgamenern,ltcHn II Somers, J. I'. C inlvrell, Edward Lanrstoo, James 11. Somerville, Sir W. Cooley, Edward S. Leeches lion. W. S. tiparui .n., Henry J. Clay. Jam 5 Lawler, lion. R. It, Stag nil, A11g..1. IiCRICIIIA. lion. C. 8. Lemon. Sir Charlet Stonier, lion. W. O. i leek, Mr Goirge Leonard. Thomas B. likoolletd. W. It. C. Clifford, theory M. Lewin. Georitee. Stuart, Lord Ja112...4 Cockburn, sir A. J. ?Mckinnon, W. A. Teemed, Henry W. Colebrooke, Sir T. E. Mahon, The WO. Thomely, Thorn .11 Cowper, lion. W. F. Matheson, Alex. Townley, J ihn Craig, sir Willi:mei. Matheson, i monel Townley, 'lichen' G. Dawson lion. T. V. !Saute. lit Horn Fox Townshend, Captain Douglas, Sir C. E. Mel/bind. Viscount lruni,n arill,ti, ieirgtu. IL e Dundee, Admiral Idoffsit, crags T hbrlngton, Viscount Morays, Lord Wall, , harm B. Ellis, John, Ogle, mane C U. Wattles, Colonel L. ERat, lino John E. 1..i111, Sir John V.18141131/011, Sir U. Krll.l, Wiliam Part, Lord Attend Wilma, James Fergus, John Paget, Lord it serene Wit. on, Mathew Ferguson, Sir RoU.A. Palmendun, Viacom.% Wood, Sir Charlet "baiter, Matthew Par ker, John Wrightson, Woe, B. Prey stun, Co: soul Patten, Jam W. Wyvill, Mann Mule French, F.txstephen refl. 08WWI 6 .uleurn, lit. eta. U. Pentium.", K. W. W. Uptona, Air. Greene, Thomas ?erica. Robot Hill, 'mid *mem 1 Grey, Rt. kin. Sir G. Pew, Samuel N. - 30 per cent. on tl._. branch of s___ __ _ _ ....e, general principles • - to them. His noble friend ..- . nut come to which consists mainly of rents. The gross receipt their adhering for the royal f oreg. ,,, i n 7 years were 271,663 L any conclusive decision on that subject, or laid down any The sum includes the produce o f t h e mines i n D ean F ores t general principle how it was that the crown property should for the six years 184243 to 1847-48 inclusive, which be managed. For his part, he (Lord Seymour) thought that may be taken at a net sum of say 21,000/., leaving they must be guided and go by the reports of 1793 and the produce of the forests 251,5631.; the expenses during 1794 if they would know how it had been best managed. the same period amount to 274,9891., showing a clear loss of When he first went into the office he had made some inquiry 23.426/. during seven years on a property of the value of 2 into the law expenses, and had found that they were really millions. The gross receipts for the royal parks in seven enormous. But when he found also how muck crown pro years are 191,308/., this sum including 72,000/ secured from perty had been recovered which, under former manages the Duke of Sutherland for the sale of York llouse, applied meat, had been lost, he could not but ace that to the formation of Victoria Park. The expenditure in the there were some grounds for the litigation that SeEAMEN s, N IT AGE, ,, IN Til _ ~ parks for seven years (1812-43 tolB4B-49)i5660,442/.,showing had brought on these costs. Ile felt it his duty .. . will in the 7 Years onlya AORTHERN rORTS.— strike among the sailors in the northern ports of England a surplus expenditure in the parks in that prenatal 449,144/ to oppose the motion of his noble friend , because, in at be recollected that one of the objects of the late about 32 per cent. of the whole revenue the first place, he thought it would be ineffective and that collected has reached the Exchequer; and in one year 1847-48 par li amen t could not control all these minute details and was to obtain an advance of wages, the demands made by only 18 per cent. of the sum collected reached the public ACCOUSll—(hear) — and therefore that it would not be possi. the men being as follows : 41. 10s. per month from the lot purse, viz., 61,000/. paid in out of 3141,409/. collected. The ble, practically, to curry out the resolution proposed by his of October till Ist of April; 3/. 10s. from Ist of April till Ise gross income of Woods and Forests for 1848-40 was noble friend. Ile thought the better course would be to of October ; and 3/. and small stores in the Baltic and 381,275/. Ss. Id., the grass expenditure 207.4841. 10s. 8c1.; divide the office of works from the office of woods, so that American trades. The owners of vessels ready for sea gave , the surplus income was 132,7/0/. 14s. rml. Amount the expenditure would he under the control of parlia- these wages rather than detain their vessels ; but the ship paid over to the Exchequer in part of the surplus income ment. His noble friend at the head of the govern- owners of Sunderland as a body have now determined to of the year 81.1001.; leaves unaccounted for, 41,789/, merit had given a notice on the subject at the commence- lower the rates. In order to keep up their wages, the s• to The gross income of Woods and Forest. in 1849-40 was meat of the w.sioll, and he (Lord Seymour) should men of that port had formed a ni p their association, sec A . is. 21.; the grow expenditure, 192.102/. 17s. Ild ; now move, as an amendment to the resolution pro- latest by certain rules, one of which was, that in the event surplits income, 156,9941. 7s. 3d. Amount p a id ove r posed by his noble friend, fur lease to bring in of the owners refusing to give the above rate of wage*, the to the Exchequer as surplus income, 200,0001. Paid a bill to make provision for the better management of the memlwr of the association so refined should he relieved ever more than received, 43,006/. When they came Woods and Forests and the land revenues of the crown, from the funds of the association ; another rule is, . that Ito look further into the matter they Caine to an and a better direction of the public works. (Hear, hear.) no member of this association shall sail in any ship belong item of expenditure which threw all others into the The question and amendment were then put. ing to this port, the crew of which also belong . the port, shade, and which he would read to the house. It wan Mr. HCME desired to see accounts of income and expen. unless the crew are all members of this, association ; and extracted from the appendix to the report of the committee diture tu be.uill upon the table, in order that the house that if a strike takes place fur wages in any port in the north, of 1848, and which contained a return of the law expenses might be able to judge when the bill WAS introduced and the owners of such port apply to this port for seamen, paid to the solicitors of the Woods and Forests in seven whether it was adequate to it. objects. each member pledges himself that he will not go to man the I yeas. It WY. liafullo.•: -111 the years 1842, 9,1321. Sir B. HALL, after . complimenting his noble friend ship, of such owners tu the injury . of the crow of . the port." Us. Id. ; 1863, 9, 7 631 . 2s. Ild.; 1844, 11,5211. Ils. 3d.; upon the clear and admirable manner in which he had An important meeting of the Shipowners Society of the 1845, 8,279/. 3s. 8,1.: 1846, 11,kkV, 6 k —tot a l i n five Tears , brought the subject before the house said ha should Port was held on Friusy, when a committee which had been 50,0031. 0,. Ild.; 1847, 1.1,6*.q. 3s. td.; 1848, 11,5002 like to refer to a few words wh ich had fallen appointed toeuusider the question of wages reported that, in Is. hi.: total, 79,241/. is, 4.2 This was the amount paid from the noble lord the Chief Commissioner of Woods their opinion, " the wages required bythe seamen are far be to the London solkitor alone, besides which there were other and Forests , in which the noble lord had ob. yond what the present freights will enable the shipowner to hills in Edinburgh and Dublin, that in Edinburgh amount- served that be was answerable for the management of , Pay ; that the effect of the combination will be to restrict Mg to about 3.00 01 . a year. be-dries bills on other places. that department fur a short period only . during which he . trade, and thus operate to the injury both of employers and Parliament had had no opportunity whatever of inquiring had presided over it. Holding the position which he (Sir i employed, and that some effort ought to he made to eaect a nd d e ciding whether it was right or wrong that those enor- Ben) mein 11411) did arta miropolitan member in the house, .an arrangement for a fair and reasonable rate of wages, moos MUMS should have been expended in legal expenses. his duties had given him opportunities of obleraing the 1 such as the shipowners may be able to pay and the seamen Then he found that einisiderahle expense had been incurred manner in which the noble lord conducted the department, , ought to be content to receive. That your committee rerom on account of a law suit with tho city of Leaden roes- and he felt bound to say that he had never seen a public I mend the following scale, vie.: 4/. per voyage in winter, menced in Feb.. 1314, and still p2iug on, relating to tie bed officer more anxious to prevent the continuance of the ; extending from the let Novena), rto the last day of Fel ornery, or soil of the Riser Thames. He contended that annual abuses which existed—(hear, hear)—Or more anxious to . and 3/. per voyage from the I.t of March to the 31st Oc estimates of these items should be laid before par- remedy them. It there were sly particular words or : sober for the London trade. The west country rates to be liament so that parliament should have the op- expressions in the motion to which objection could be taken I 7s. fal• per voyage below the London rates. The American portunity of supervising them, and expressing their in point of form, these might he modified; but he (Sir H. I Baltic, and Archangel rates, 21. Lis. per month, and small opinion. The propriety of the charges which he bad Hall) thought the house should adhere to the substance of stores. That the voyage to Hamburg be equal to a London cited as harks; been incurred in these instances might be the resolution, in order that they might have an oppose I voyage, and 10s. additional." The recommendations of the unquestionable ; and if they were correct, parliament would tunity of inquiring into the gross ruismanagemeut of this committee were unanimously adopted by the meeting, and no doubt base mad!, provision for them, if they had been ProOvrty, and make it valuable to the crown and the country ; a deeintation of the shipowners was appointer to confer with consulted, sad their authority applied for, as it ought to as tar as it was practicable to do °°. the women with reference to the matter. This deputation have been, lefore those expenses were incurred. But the Sir H. WILLOUGHBY adduced many instances of ice- 1 rn.t with a deputation from the ,amen in the afternoon, house on h: to look with coneiderable jealousy at the exist- providence and waste in the past system of management, ' and the resolutions of the shipowners having been laid be. core of this power of incurring and defraying expenditure, and stated that 1,200,0001. value of lands and property bud I fore them, they consi undertook to submit them to a meeting of however discreetly it might be used, without its sanction. been sold, the money being laid out unprofitably, or lett the seamen for deration. The existcace of such a power WWI inconsistent with the almost wholly unaccounted for. There were very large GLASGOW, PAISLEY, AND GREENOCK RAILWAY.— full and edlcient exercise of that authority which was vested sums at stake, and a deplorable lack of checks and respell. Traffic for week ending March B.—Amount, 1,034/. Is.; by the xestitution in the House or Lommons alone. ability. corresponding week in 1850, 9821. 4s. 3d. He wood trouble the house with only one fact more, that Viscount DrNCAN said it was not his intention to de- GLASGOW AND SOUTH WESTERN RAILWAY.— from 1832 to 1548—aixteen years—property which had tab the house at that hour with many observations. lie Traffic fur week ending March 8, 3,6081. 17e. 14.; corns been mouninett to the meted; and guardianship of thought, howercr, that his noble friend (Ural Seymour) pending week in lest year, 8,1111. Sn id . ►"