The Express. — London, England, 1851-04-16 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 16, 1851 . IMPERIAL PAULI A MENT. MOUSE OF MIMON*.—TreAnAT, Aran 15. The IA IL rit tq ttw clair at 10 minute betwav 4 eat°, %MIT 11 Fl ELD MARKET. Mr. Sheriff Carden and Mr. Sheriff Hoigkinwin appear:4 at the bar of the I.ou-s.„ and presented in due form the peti• • Simi which had lita.o ailopt..d by the Ceurt of (:saninan • Onunril on the previous day, against the Smithfield Market • Ktmoval Ildl, and praying to be beard by eounul against ita pre ()i t.,e motion a Si. Jane& I)ccc the petition wa. re ferred to the committee on the bill, as were the petitions presented nn the 21st of February and the Iflthof March, and tour other• preemteil at a latxr period of the evening by the hon. liaruna. PRIVATE BUSINESS. NALTON AND DItIEFIELD JUNCTION R.ITLWAY HILL; AND SHEFFIELD, ROTHERHAM, BARNSLEY, WAKEFIELD, HUDDERSFIELD, AND titIOLE RAILWAY LILL. These bills were read a third time and passed. BILLS ItEI'OItTED AND CONSIDERED. The following bills were reported and considered : Derby and Ashborne Road Great Northern Railway A mend meet (No I); Ili:relent, koss, and Gloucester Railway; Killarney and Valenti* Railway ; L eeds and Think Rail way; Lmdon and Blackwell Railway (extension of time fur the widening, ; North British Railway; North and South Westcra Junction Railway ; Reading Water works ; Ki•irenr. Canal Company ; Scottish Central Rail way ; South D. son Midway; South Wales Railway (No. 1) • South Wales Railway (No. 2 ) ; York. Neweastle, and Berwick Railway (aliandortment of part of Bi hop Auckland branch, die.) ; and York, Newcastle, and Berwick It all way (branch to the West ÜBLIC Durham RaUSI N ilway de.); Bills. P BE ' SS NEW WRITS. On On notion of Mr. lIATTErt, a new writ Was Clatrill fur in the room of Capt. Dudley Pelham, &waled; and for the City of Cork, 'meant by the aceeptanee by Mr. Fagan of the stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds. THE RAMAN CAT 1101,1 C DOR I.:` 4 S UPON TILE NEW HIERARCHY. Mr. T. DIINCOMISE moved for an addrew for copy of an whlreet prevented to her Majesty from her Nla:isty. Moan eath dnc subjc-ts in England, disclaiming any into. n tins of triaichina upon the royal prerntrative, in the recent app/Moment of a Roman catholic hierarchy, with the num ber of si4natures attachtsl.—Agreed tn. EPISe:OPAI. INCOMES. Sir B. ALL.H id that by an art of parliament the an bishops and of our church were to make a seps..n mai Islam of their incomes. That return was due on the lot of January, but it hail out been predated. Ile wished Mwk the rig hon. baronet if there was any probability —.mid make the return in question. alone on hi. own responability. The council not haling 'ell) thought they ought to look to the general interests Teen filled up, he was nut eh le. to get a single vote of sop- and to the history of the colony with respect to which ply, and had to maintatn the government on credit. At there woos° serious a matter at hone. On looking hack to the snMC thew there wipv a dangerous war , in the frontier, the history of the colony they would find that when the the policy which this country followed with regard to the Dutch were its owners they slid not confine themselves to native tribes bating utterly failed. In this state of dings the poneesion of tape Town, but extended the limits of the there were three ptopositioo« placed on the notice patio of colony to a considerable distance, as far indoed os the limits the boogie. The first proposition woo that mule by hiraelf. of the Fish River In that state we, after our first con- I It was a proposition for a commission of inquiry into the quest of it, found the colony ; and our officers, General present pssliey maintained towards the inhabitants of the Dundee in particular, employed all their care and attention Cape. His object was that they should get rid of s re- 'ln endeavouring le reconeilo the interests of the colonists spoweibility which they had not the power to diecharge,and with the habita of savages who had no other notion of pro , that they should *rind op finally and for ever those eneege- perty than that it was tempting. spoil on which they could ments, transactions, and agreements into which her AR- seise if it were left unprotected. (Hear.) Alter the second jesty had entered with the tribes and settlers at the Cape, capture of the colony, in 180.5, three questions became and that together with the obtaining of representathe in- j still more urgent, and he thought there was a further ex stitutions the Cape should take upon itself all financial end tension of the colony in 1811. In 1819, it wan proposed in 1 defensive duties. That Woe the object of the inquiry he I that house that 50,000/. should be voted for the purpose of proposed, and the mode in which he proposed to (airy it 'sending out emigrants to form this colony, to be settled in out was by a commis-ion of inquiry on the spot. IL had Graham's Town and the adjacent district. The proposal an analogy perfect in every respect for taking that course, was very much approved by that house. It was thought j namely, the committee which had been sent wit in very desirable that persons who were suffering from the 1827 to the same spot when Sir Charles Sonerset inadequacy of their means in this country should be able to I was Governor of the Cape, and Lord Bathurst, Colonial se- live in coninwt in scalene- so healthy seethe Cape of Good Hope; eretary. The next proposition on the paper was that of the and, with wareely any debate, thchouse adopted the proposal. noble lord at the head of the government. The noire lord The district to which they went became in process of time 1 was of opinion with him, that wme inquiry was necessary, very flourishing, and the English and Dutchcolouistsbecatne and immediately necessary. The opinion of the noise lord possessed of a considerable amount of property. In 1848 was that the executive government had come to s dead the export of wool was about 2,250,000 lbs., the value of lock, and he came to the house for advice and tuseistonce as which was about 143,0001. At the same period the annual to how he should proceed. But the proposition of the agricultural prucluee of the eastern districts was valued at noble lord woe different from his, for the proposition of the 269,000/,, the live stock was estimated at 2,297,0011., and the noble lord was not to condemn the present policy, but to fixed property at 2,136,0001., making the value of the pro remove obstructions out of the way or the present policy.. perty of those who had settled in the eastern districts The house would observe that there was a great di ference upwards of 4,000,0001. But the persons thus Fettled, a igithe two propositions, for when the noble lord tax out of great portion of whom had been settled by the direct inter his hands the motion fur a select committee he left out the motion of the government, and with the unqualified appro words " fora definitive adjustment,' thereby showingthat the bation of that louse, complained from time to time of depre inquiry was to he simply an inquiry into the relnions he- &diens which were made upon their cattle. They even de tweet the contendiug tribes on the frontier and this coon- dared that their habitation. and their lives were not safe : try, for the purpose of discovering the cause of the present that the Kaffir tribes made continual incursions on their discontent, irritation, and disturbanea, with a view to set lane, that their farm-houses were burnt and destroyed, on foot the original policy we maintaiaed there. The hon. their cattle carried away, and the members of their gentleman the Under-Secretary fur the Colonies stated the families exposed to outrage. Now, it would he other night that the colonies must be kept by the observed, that not merely the governor of the maintenance of the present military force. But a grave colony, but the British nation and the British go• responsibility would rest southern if they entered on such a ice:uncut could not be indifferent to such complaints system of policy, without having the means of effectually as these. (Hear, hear.) Having /sanctioned such an emi discharging that responsibility. The noises lord now wished gration they were bound to seek a remedy. The hon. cen ter a committee of inquiry, with a view of carrying on the tleman must allow him to say that a quseition of that kind military system. The object of the inquire would be entirely was not to he decided by blaming the officer who happened and completely lost before the labours of the coin to be actually in the ailininistration of the government mittee had terminated. (Hear, hear.) The next (hear, hear)—or by s.tying that Sir Harry Smith. a man proposition on the paper was the propoeitien of tile who had distinguished himself in the military 'revive, and hon. member for Southwark (Sir W Molesworth) whole• at quirenieuts were inferior to those of but few men, which was that there should he no inquiry on the part of had done wrong. Varion. governor., Lord Charles Somers this country, because the hon. baronet doubtless thought set, Sir Benjamin D'Urban, Sir Peregrine Maitland, Sir that if there was inquiry, such inquire would vest Henry Pottinger, unit Sir Harry Smith had all acconling upon this country the responsibility as to the future to their different views proemeled to find a remedy for • lich he wished very se ri ous, palpable, and extensive mischie f. One of gaud to the question of the hon. gentle3l32, in reference to no, ming the various cathedrals. he (Lori J. Russell) would consider if anything farther could be done. (Hear, hear.) ADDItEsSES TO THY CLGOWN• Mr. T. BUNCOMBE wish•al to know rn,m this noble ldrd at the head of her Majaety's got eminent whath.r it we. his intention to renew hiesnotios to the present uernon on the subject of addresses to the crown ? The subject was one of great importance, as might he remembered from what occurred in the past year, when the collective wisdoni dike house was taken to task by the Postmaster-General. lie (Mr. Dune,nulle) hoped the noble lord would renew the 'notion. (hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that lie would consider of the most fitting form in which to introduce it. Mr. SPOON ER was of opinion that the duties in the Post-office on Sundays could he suspended without any I t reat inconvenience resulting if the means were taken to carry into effect the result of the eddress to the crown moved for in that house last session on the subject. NOTICES OF MOTION—ASSIZES EXPENSES. Sir G. GREY stated, in reply to Mr. Aglionhy, that a bill on this subject, introduced by Lord Campbell, in the House 1 ' of Lords, was then under consideration of a select committee of that house, which bill, he thought, contained some pro- vision to the abet referred to by the hon. gentleman. MALT TAX. Mr. CIIRISTOPIIER, on behalf of the lion. member for the North Riding (Mr. Caylcy), gave notice that no Thurs day, the Bth of May, he would move Cie repeal of the malt- I La. SUPPLY OF WATER. TO TILE METROPOLIS. Sir G. GREY gave notice that on Tuesday, the 29th of April , he would introduce a bill for the better supply of water to the metropolis. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. IIUME gave notice that he would, on Tuesday, the 19th May, rt new his motion for a re form in parliament. LOCAL POOR'S RATE. Mr. ROEBUCK, on behalf of the hon. member for Dorsetshire, gave notice that he would, on Tuesday, the Gth Ma, call the attention of the house to the subject of local poor's rate. CEYLON. Mr. DAILLIE postponed his motion in reference to the occurrences that of late tool place in that island to Thurs day, the Bth May. EAST INDIA COMPANY. Mr. BANKLS gave notice that he would move for the production .if all the correspondence that had taken place relative to the claims of the East India Company on Tues day, the Gth May. HOME-MADE SPIRITS IN BOND. Lord NAAS, that on Ten slay, the Gth May, he would muee for a col:amity e of the whole boom., with Is View to consider the mode of levying duty un home-matte spirits, tes at present practised. CAI'ITAL PUNISHMENT. Mr. EWART, that on the 29th April, he would move, • .t., loon. with respect to capital tha,t thior hbVhopv yr-- Sir G. DR KT ttrid h , would inquire into the subject. THE MILITARY KNIGHTS OF WINDSOR. c o lte e d SA LWEY begged to ask the right hon. Is tronet wheth, r the late Anon, y.lito tonal, Sir Frederit k Polito k sod the late Silicitnr-General, Sir W. Follett, Ks, lb. it opinion on the ca.e rod elaimr or the Military Knights of Window; and ulietle•r, in raw such in • *on yid. given, thole wo, :my of by the governnii nt to Iny vtich opt. nine, or a copy of it, on the tal•It• of the Nolo , . with the palvd i ~11..r1th.:•11t., and letter. ridding thereto in the Dom , Ocoee and n Lie . State Paper Who. tt tlut the mithrotionv of the law with rtypect to capitr punWtment, which have been Effected M this country, be extended to the colonies. Alm, that, early alter Eiger, he 'Mould mote the total repeal of the punithuicat of death. ST. ALBANS ELECTION. Mr. E. ELLICE. that ,ni an tarty day he would move for the appointment of a eommit..ion to inquire into the pro. evediur at the late election for St. Allvinv. EALKIICK DISTRICT OF Mr. COIIDEN, as an Amendment on the previouv ma ', that he would mov , the rommit.ion be alvo required city with regard to the colony—a responsibility wl to wise._ to leave to the colony itself. Ile did not wave with the hon. baronet in that clew. Ile though: it wadd he cruel to cast the whole responsibility on the colony itself. But he could not deny that his proposition was easy, simple, and just, and if his own proposition were nut cameo, he should certainly prefer it to the proposition of the noble lord. (Ileac, hear.) It appeared to hint that they were hound to wind up and settle what they had already disturbed hefinre they cast on the coloniste the tusk of initiatimt a nsw Ile would now proceed to state the circuiustanece which renderell inquiry necessary, and nutlered the gi , erninent • .. the observations which were made was that the fruitier of the Fish River had been very ill chosen ; the boundary being surrounded on either side by thickets, so that the savage tribe. could approach and make their ineur+ions un perceived. The bad choice of lsomdary was itself one great cause of the mischief nutf,red by the colonists; in 1419 the Monetary was extended further to the east. tinder the ancient system of the Dutch there had been a regular organkitioa for the defence of the colonist+ against incursions made for the purpose of stealing cattle ; this was termed the commando —a system of considerable - - . S i fo. 1111EY .341 that whim an opinion w 34Otnitch hr tilt Bun, . . ... . . . b et one crhainly 1. ~,, to grea. private guidance of the government, it was not the practice to inn-anis:de the pro c eedings at the late eleztion fur the of the Cape a matter of such perplexity to the go- local violence :re d one, to prattle,: such opinion; and he thi•rebee could Falkirk District of Burghs. vernment of this country. One main cause was the abuse and to the imputation of violence. (Heir, hear.) li infot ill qui A not lay tho 04,4 • Mr. W. J. FOX, that on Thursday, the rill of May, he which prevente d the native trim ' s from being civi aught state ii, gen, il torus that it was certainly red fi-department he SaW a magistrate who had been long on the youratde to eh, claims of the military knights Ibe roes. would renew his motion iu reference, to the subject of Used or subjugated, and stood in the way of the frontier. The system as described by that gentleman was bon elepthelesl entirely upon the ethstruetion of certain d•,_ education. pnwperity of the colonists. (Hear, hear.) The other cause certainly n ot one which the house or the country would . cements, and the opinion was adveree to the knights. 'REDUCTION OF ARMAMENT ; S. was that the system of representative government whirl approve ; for if, on the one hand, there were frequently Col s 11.WEY gase notice tied he should take un rally Mr. COBDEN, on an early day, to mere that an hum- hail been so long promised to the . colonist. was so long 41 . - in curious of a barbarou s nature, in which farm-houses appal lenity after Easter of noising that a *Oct' committee the address lie presented to her Majesty, praying that she bayed and kept from then,. These were the two me i n a ire burnt, and all the cattle carried away, on he uppoiot• il to inquire into the• claims of the military will direct the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to causes of the failure of their polio, at the Cape. lle hoped the other hand the Doers and farmers were often k n i g hts, a , s e t f o rth in their two plitions of the 7th of enter into co mmunicatein with the government of France, that her Majesty ' s government wo uld not permit . their in. induced to lire on all they met , destroying with- August, 1816, and the 23rd of I ebricary, 1817; and as fur. awl undianour to prevent in future that rivalry of warlike tentions in giving a representative system to the Cape to be out justice, and without any observance of no Orr oat forth in a prlition dated the 211th of April, 1819, bre m y preparations in is Wof p t are which has heretofore wen thwarted by their offieiods there. The governm en t hail laws which military men were an careful to respect, t he arsenal electurs and ratepayer. of Window. the avowed policy of the two natant.; and to promote, if not laid on the table the paper* which lie moved natives whom they found in the territory, and ii ithout being THE ARMY Lis'''. p oible, a mutual naluetion a armaments. for on the subject of the delay in carrying into very careful to ascertain whether or not they were parties e Col. CHATTEICION lagged to ask the Secretary nt CANADA.--THE WELLAND CANAL. effect the representative institutions which hail Wen who had joined in incursions. It was, he supposed, the War if there was any reason why the name+ of officers who Mr. T. DI: NCOMBE wished to know from the hon. promised to the Cape, and the only information knowledge of this abuse which in llt:13 led Lord Stanley to had scre e d ,it W a terloo, tool hail received decorations mottlenaan, the Under-Secretary fur the Colonic., if it were which he could find on the subject was in a publication of disallow the commando. lie agreed with the hon. gentle in cono-quent. , but 14 ho had eine• n.fired, othonlol not b. true, as he had been in the American newspaper., that the the leading article's which appeared in a goon-onion,' paper man that it was natural for the colonists to say to the go birth 41 an the Army List as well as those who had **tired Canadian goserianitit intended to thee the M elland Canal called the Monitor, which was published by the govern. vernment, i I, you do not approve of our manner of defend in (In Peninsula against Aineriean re.4.+4 ? mint at Cape 'Town. In that publication he found it Maid: ing ourselves—if you ilo not think thatinir mode oifresenting 0 Mr. E. SIAI: LE re dud , that if the gallant colonel hall Mr. HAWES said in reply, that no adrieeS Mid been re. hini .,, , h ...,, 1ce1in . or the . den ,. n .. 4 het . Linty tee .. to ,„ 1 ..„. these attacks ieeonsiatent ! wi , thhuinunity and justice , lo . the t o h. .11,,,,a”. topnmn is growing dally as. ... g o. p erw ri• a i o ry oe ,,,, native tribes , then take can. that you give us un emu n given him notice of his question he would have ben pre. mired on the matter. . . .. . panel It. answer it. hut lie would inquire into the matter. VAN IM FMEN Si LAND. that we welly no means in a prince tl' tWO ei one houses Hut defence at your own cost. 'fake one system or the other. low, if th. whew he teasel, we mu t not talk of Ono ,n.. (Inc If you thia the maintenanee of an army oat the !nattier is taptaM 11. VYSE Innonal haw to ask the Seer. Wry :ft Sir W. MOLE.SWowr 11 eahl that he would on the 14th ;Romp; and okterroWntatip muet Sc talon, act n ot t pis A temp, too at a drain on the inoperial resources, allow us to War upon what principle of juftier the Std. tai diem Was of Mac, move the preesaitatiom of an liumlfw address 81 . her vary return tome Norm of governmeis in tali-via. • aer mar, am fram.• our own system in the most vigalrolle and effective deducted from rAtAlry fottliiis' pay for the. keep of their Majesty, praying for the abolition of transportatioth to Aan oseeotiveno.ca, awl tegtstotive powers. This, wit this only win berms, which they Well' Obliged to keep eselissively fOr the Diemen's hand. saw the . cn..esnibote iin cameda in the yearn :ri 9 and aria, front way, and let ua put that system into operation without re public sure ice, tad 10 slit/West that if the Aid. per diem as ST. .SI.I3ANS ELECTION COMMITTEE, Wing transacted here. This watt ne joa•e to Eon isit toyd ~ latch preach for interference on your part—without saying that it interests and so Seem. ttiontot soil Samos This, in a word, aid as nut consistent with your notion of justice to the native Intel she's oat. wen at Ans or :Pa. a quarter , it ougl.t in Cp ou the ne u ter of the day for reeuminat the adjourned . , • . . . ' ~ , , . loser. nmo twee loom nowass eammeowo mina to otivo Pi. tribes ; hut, on the other hand, if you complain of that see- Judie. to h e r e duced 010. u they wen:. so. now, t ft.. is r debate on the motion our the discharge of Henry Edwards, sperity, it peat-fatal airworthy to all. tem a+ a source of injustice, then give us a defence which quarter f Who/ had been committed to the tuatudy of the Seri:taut-at- Mr. F. M.\C LE could out localt a+ to the prinrildc of Arms he his conduit before the st, Allsans Election Com- It seemea, therefore, that the intentions of the govern- and do will be sufficient, . . y the officials ll the ape ,e meat wive set at rest b t C - • but h it involee.. - (Hear. hear.) He could not hut allow that judo.. ow whole the eh age was mole, but that 1,, win, li motto', it was agreed, for the noire c°"'"?" 1 di l"" a hoped that they would not allow their own enlightened I the boo, awl gallant officer lied alluded had wasted fur 40 the questow, that the original motion mid the amendment this statement of the settlers , whether English or Dutch, views of policy to be set at nought in this way. Ile be- had i ii it a grist d ea l o f f ore , es 60 years, should lie svithdrunn, fool Lewd that the danger to their policy ;with. from a system of I on-audio system having been disallo i ta a l r ', ii i :18. n. 7.3 11 Sir le Be e m l' j n a i : MISCELLANE WS EsTimATEs. Mr. AOLION BY presented :1 fissh petition from the vacillation, and not from a system of enermehment min D'erlien, being governor o • f the colony, re'ported that 11, answe r to Mr. Seolo.it:l4, rany, and moved that Ile nor Edwards, Wein!: Solhollitteil When the honourable gentleman (Mn. Baur+) grave a 10 WO Kafir. hail invaded the eastern districts, de ll.. t•HA N C 13.1.011 of the EXC II EWER said that iimodito the mercy of the hon.. In. called to the bar, re. sketch the other e;ienin of their policy , he omitted .tt:o)...d . a groat niimla:r of farmhouses, and tnr;cal a Ron. estimate. would not he proceeded with an thy week primanded by the Speaker. and discharged on payment of that interval in which Sir g A n d r j e s st og k e n s trom lanolin,- flourishing poultice into a waste. Sir Benjamin D Urban immediately after the reeve. hie has. EMIGRATION. Sir I:. TII ESIGER al.-m.41 that Mr. Edward. load now tiled the government for 111 years, with a longer duration . adopted military 111e110144res or groat envoi and filth ,li he of prim. than sea. ever kneown at the Cape Plow, when' theie ' he had 0 ly a sushi regular norevat his comonand, hie efforts, On Ow motion tot Mr. Seiorr, Maras were iinknell, vain- shirteel In, gnaned, and. linually uckniowhalging that hie were generally quimmenitial • perhals iddisturhanee. Let the di t• 1 with his known i bility were attended with sue toting the rimier. dosn from the United KWorlosn, hetet.* n original petition was ontirela (Alec, appearift in the Latitude c loom observe ' moaner in which Sir Harry Smith carried y e :7 ' 1 ( li e comitaando systi l an hissing been abolished, they th e year 1816 anal In it), j oo l u O re , w ith (tee 'Arum.. and la( a Nupi)liant, attaining. inflinetly, tho 4 he woo guilty on out Week/June scheme. The Under Secretary for the Colo- found that they lad to encounter the cost of the new venous 4lrtsil. indolent thereto. We 1.0414111 Ct with which he had Ito n charged —a ;grows and flies said it WA. UM fair to attack an absent man , rope- system of defew . .e. From a despatch of Lord filenelg it S run: OF K 11.1817811 .aN I) OTHER UN lONS. sennitilous attempt. w bleb had Ikea too stleteedlll, to, Ob. ~, its : as Ily an absent governor. appeared that the ordinary charge of the military defence of Sir 1.. GREY haling noised that the Lou.'. at its rising, street the four.. °fluency. If the house counted to the &Would aolwurn till Monday. the 'Path inseam, prayer of the pctition, it would hold out an encouragement Mr. HAWES—During war. the colony during Dal was 96,000/., the extraordiii.. , 4 o 7 ex- Mr MONNE 1.1. drew attention to the nsortodity in the t o o th e r.. An d he emend-red it his duty to move, as an Mr. ADDERLEV hoped then, that Sir Harry Smith peuditure 1-31,01.10 f., making a total charge of 219,7! . for ft ' note mi d I: mo dem., U • ~ in do- l a tt e r of which, in o une to lonc oo t to the motion. that Henry Edwards Ise would be r e called. (Ilear, hear.) Lord Torrineton had that year. The (-etiolated charge of the military chest during two wee 1.. there hOl been 2kt deaths not of f(.MBI prome committed to Newnan.. justly observed that whether his Own eOlllll.lCt was reprelien. ! 2 h .o, l3. o ea l r & e.tail l i t og did th n e ot ll k is i t io, N v lti t re h ' a h t , t 1 h 8 : 1 „ 7, was :,,,,nyt ream to ..., pros o non unesampled, he. 4.4id0 in the history of eh,. 'The AT fOItNEY-ti EN ERA L quite concurred with Sir sible or not, when a committee was appointed to MOW.- notittafoor. 4.1 this country. Freeleriek : and Mn. Aerlionby not pressing his motion, the inothire into it he ought to hare been recalled. accuse the government of that day of extravagance, but it Lord J. Itt:NAEI.I. maid, esery M 4,111. that could la amendment was a t tn. ol to a. it!. eon. The principle itisolvest in that ruse was applicable here. On must be admitted that this was a very considerable expiate. adolsid to remedy this state of things heed las it tarn Mr. IS.SNK ES wished to know' from the noble lonl at the lii. arrival in the colony. Sic shim Smith, ta ,„ atyi h . tw , In a dispatch , from Sir Benjamin Bl:rtent it was acted by the noun t i ttt owes. who 11.0.1 fesertained that sliffseient head a the government wheth e r it a., . th e int e nti o n a th e false analogy of India, took a M ap Of the colony, anti laid that before the Kaffir war 'organ. between the 2lst of De duet wan provill. II for thi• thready. of the union.; but he government 10 offer uuiy reward B.r the' apprehension of the down for himself a gigantic scheme of op e rations. He find camber and the Ist of January. the Kaffirs murdered even t!** sorry to sly that• from the cooo liti on o f the p er s on . pin 6.. ~,,,k i n 4 whom tai' !Irak. r's warrant had been issued. called the chief+ together, and told them that he Was abOut, noun they could buil, burnt I.al farm houses, carried off who miens' the w u rkh o nws, g r ea t mortality moult sod la. Ile wish, ,1 also to state- that be intended t o m o v e as an to assume is new frontier f and , when seine of his more eau- about 401.1 fano twos, 1,000 head of cattle, 150 sheep and r rei y „,l rem i o s,4 hi m o f goats, and left Albany and Se iii n desert. Ile thought vrated. em nuiluivot to the mono.' 80r a e 0111116.4011 which the hon, now adviser. monstratial with him, BLICATIONS OF Tim (IN m ITT EE OF COCN- gentlemsn Kase moti f e th a t h e wo u ld b r i ng f orwar d a ft er previous tr ea ties and o f Sir Henry P o ttinger . a promiws, his this would show the house that the evils with which they now CIL ON 1: 1)1•1•.‘T ic.v. ow reefs., that the 4...tundethin he eolllpoWol of member. of answer was " I h aw a pl an o f my owl," Ile then pro- had to deal were neither new in themselves, nor to be wet by lama MA110:11. having called attention to the publitation th e • h ou s e w h o sh ou ld he- sworn d i la :set -4,1 s e ft t h at par- r es ea l e d, i t , the pr e s e nc e of the e hi e la, to take possession of declaring that what had been done Witt wrong, and that at the Nations/ imminent' srliool.bneks, which wasconeidend titular 'evasion. the territory ; he placed hie thot on the neck of one chief, some other systent must be at once adopted. Sir Benjamin to he AO 1111.111 e interferenee with pristate smaipttitsen. o Mr. E. ELLICE recapitulated the Pnwerdinas which had he threatens , ' another, and he proceeded to act on a new ITUrban carried his hostilities far into the. country of the gr.. same to lb 'publething trade. and an c'ilwrial gel. toaa' Ulna Place Mime He eommittve. Thr (*.nominee hail been treaty, the advantages of which were all on one aide. Kolar', and evert went beyond the Eel, und severely to many deserving men who hail Poolnrsil by their ow' , adjourning the caw Wilco% a fortnight and three weeks Ile marked out Ins new territories partly iota two punished those chiefs who hail either led or had eneourrag,ed means publiiatiore for the uee ..f ache, fur the purpose of get:now witnesses, but at the end of that lotovinees, and earth' into two commissiunerehips, and it the Kaffir tribes. But he taco said that if the government food .1. KU:est:LI...IW the slahtert was One which cam, time they a ..n: ate far elf as ever. Stone of the winnows was a military conimissionenthip which distinguished the wished to have greater security in future A mould be ne- Im.p sic u nolo.r the coio wd era ti on of t h e committer of privy foe ~h „ ,, ~,,,,,,,,,,,m . th e 4- ttttt Mater had been adjourned new territory. At the end of 1819 he reported to Lord cessary to extend the frontier beyond the Keiskania to the coune il on education : and immediately on noising et mod whom had been charged with bribery were produced, Grey that MS new efimmissionerthips seem in a perfectly Kuno. Sir Harry Smith proposed this extension as. long letter of Mesas lomerman. he harl asked the iiri ' , Went but when cgg .i g ,4 be committee , the t h em . Dermas a ftiftli c t o ry stat e , and it was not tilt October last year that ago as 11..13 as a means of Riving greater security to up the "mind. wheinscr the rommiltec should me..t, to said they were no t b r ib e d. Th ere were t h ree w h ow ,y ea he reported the existence of what he tertued restlessness in the Albany amp Somerset districts, which, It should always allow him to tiring the subject under their emedobiution. will wanting, h u t th e comm itt ee dian o t think it th e i r h o w. hatfaria, He alleged, as the eanSes of this redlconese, be remembered, were fairly entitled to protection. The It was 'nought under their consideration ; and berm:lusted nes. that the ease should be suspended over the heads of starvation of the chief ., and t he influence of wizards. cabinet of that day took the matter into very serious cowl that all time ro e following eOrwl.OWlehee would tahe 1. 1 . 0 ‘ . he" the Parties during th e rue' ... and for an indefinite period. What were his rernettles fur these two evils? As to the deration. The authority of Sir Benjamin !Fireball stood toren the we.wtary 44 ile.d committee, who tonal!) . roar- fleet Was a 111.1'isi , 01 which the COMMittee lout come to starvathou, he propowsl to d e pose some of the chief. 101 d vein. high; the military ability which he had sh o ats, and simoded on subarwa rotineeted with edueation, and the w ith ou t th e .h a ht e .t d ou b t o f i ts p ro p r i e ty ; an d h av i ng to peuthou others; :of to the wizards or prophets he said he the tßeeeliS whit:1111ml attended his operations, induced them hook/tellers now-erned. The arrangement agreed to by the now to that deseision, th e e called o n the petitioners could throw them away with ridicule. 'ln depose the chief to give great weight to his repmeentations, 01., the other ronsinitue of Privy council woe, that it was d.wirahk not min ,' t o s ay if 11, do ss sl la., ~s,, 11, said h e did. A was impossible ; he Was just as much a chief ift prison hand, it was stated in this country, and with ;twit elfeet as to publish any books liens. but to, treat with iliffereat pub- conversation then commenced, which he now believed he a+ out of prison ; while to porion a rebel, was regarded the public mind, that the native tribes had been Balers, in deferent part. of tlw country, with respect to was wrung in pennitting, for he thought he should have to secure nut his allegiance but his contempt. treated with injustice, that the ineursions of the Kaffirs Behead hoo k.. in wair that they might b. enabled 8. afford ordered the nom to be cleared when COUllsel had Stated It would b e better to shoot a prophet, as Word had in fact been provoked, that the I3owpeatie had tiwm thse hoot, ii• rheaply as possible to the echoed. applying that hie ease wit closed. A conversation, however, did Torritigtun did, than to pursue the course which he had .4.lves been the cause of the great outrages which hail beet for them. Thecolmuntee had owns'. wt.d with a gre.t hale pla,., but no ui,jection of a forma nature was made, iit , :tiontat. lit the Isi , tory or the world he had never met committed, and that a new system ought to he adopted— many different putolislocos; and the result was that the- pub- and in waking that statement he believed he would be fully wroth an instance in whim a national superstition had Wen a system, in short, of conciliation and humanity toy:art a the lie items whirls they ol.tann-41 were obtained with their borne out by hi. colleague-4nm the euturnittor. (hear.)) _ put down by ridicule. (11e.tr, hear.) When Sir Harry IlatlreS. Lord Wends, with the consent of parliament, nt consent. Among other pioete with whom they had eon- The ttttt non fur the committal of Mr. Edwards to New- Smith attempted to weave the person of Swahili, he Wood length ease direction.. that the new provinces which Sir IM.p.nottl were the romnitoionereef education in Inland; gate was then agreed to. the whole province opposed to himself ; the governor, in B. IYUrbatt had taken possession of, should he organised ; end he thought the noble lord would hardly rigid the err. Mr. AG LION BY said that there were threz other men fact, became a prisOner among hew uwu subjects. It was as- that recourse should be had hi the boater frontier, and that rangenie•nts that had Wan eutfired into with respest against whom warrant+ had been booed. There wasa tonishing how monk the governor was deceived. Yet laird inetead of TUbiVeting certain district , and tribes, treaties to schema books in that (scatty; for th ew )übli- fourth prom al.O. WORM liar Ward, h o t h e was i n a air. G re y would receive information from no other quarter. Ile should be made with the Kaffir chiefs, and tloat noose treaties cations had been very 'Peru!. awl bail tenekd very front p os i t i on . aa•l ia t h e w i led t o know wa., whether (Mr. Adelerle , y) saw the other day a gentleman front the should be relied on as a means of preserving the peace of'' ninth to ihM , ro , 4* the ammeter of the hooks in use ther e . it wou ld wo h e w i ser , and wore pr o p e r, to o lit c haru e the colony, who told him that he many mouths ago himself sent the (ohmic+. Sir George Napier, not long after, went to Thc committee of e-otuneil on olucationelkl to n etrosielerthat warrant against these three men? (" No. net - ) If the a warning to Sir Harry Smith. Sir Haley sent fur hint, Kodfraria to carry those treaties into eftliet, and Sir A. by thie arrangemeod they had given any advantage to than warrant. routMued to rua against them, thew men would and inquired of him chat it was, and when he had been Stoekenstroin, a man of considerable tdent and influence uouirniowithers. With regard to Great Brittle they had ma s tilt k ee p out of th, way; hut if the warrants were with- laureled, he said, " I nilderttund them' things better than among the Dutch and also the natives, was upiwinted t o ' published any sulk.. nor had an y wr ens been mule eon drawn, and a bill of iteldnnity given to theth, they might you ; meld your Own business." Could a teresentative earry out the transaction and to conciliate, as far as pos. copyriglity There vs the whole queenion rendved itself antiwar to give eaidenee before the commiasiun, and so fur- government have been thus deceived? (Deur, hear.) elide, the savage trihes. There were from that period, law the, whether they had Kir as any undue aolimunte to dui the rude effluence. I Even in his wry last letter Sir Harry Smith stated to Lord fur the successes of Sir 8.8 Uthan had been striking and the vomMeMiiiiwrs of edaeatioll in Inland ; a nd on this si r (1. cLEstk said it wa s q uite impartible that the , Grey that he still reflected with pleasure on, the remain- remarkable. continual complaints of the renewal of ?Mot hc must be allowed to look into the question b e fore h im ., wou ld ag r e e to th e S t untestion of the hon. gentleman. ' ing fidelity` of one or two chiefs. lie believed the whole cattle stealing. and of incursions supposed to be made with goring 4 flarth,.r anewer. (Hear, hear.) The house could :user consent that wit- rolouy was wearied with the trial of SUereseiVe systems. the connivance of the chiefs, but constantly disavowed by ' Sir R. INGLIS sail th at the g o v e r nnwo ft 1,. , , ~reed co nee." a lto had abwoleWd shoold ta• let Ott ' is this way.. The great fault of the system pursued with respect to the them. Much loss of property was the consequence , awl the . tzars too all the prineitolee of tree trade. (Naar. hear) Ile would s uggest th a t th e house should, I native tribes was this, that it was neither one thing nor the local government was put to considerable Cl ',thee in rue hit HUME sotiChe waa gratified b' find that the right after the mires., call o n the s e rj e nntsat• Arms to know from other, neither the strong ew wive system which would sub wring the stolen ismds. Sir George Napier himself went loot Imronet who bad last ftooken was WOW in the ranks of hi m w h a t steps h a d b een taken to serve the Warrant.; mud lupins our the humane system which would conciliate. to the frontier more than once to See the chiefs, in order to We for trath'es. (Cheers and laughter.) The right hon. (lieu th a t the house s i m uld addr e ss her Majesty to aler a i Sir Harry Smith had Edith between two systems. He had oblige them toty more attention to treoities to which them- ' baronet saw the mote in hie neighhoue . eye, hut forgot I reward liar the apprehension of the parties. (Hear.) I destroyed the authority of the chiefs, with the idea that he selves had been parties. However, it was fill fly found that Owl noire WAS a 'Warn in hie own. Ile forget that a ma- I L or d J. RC "SELL said he agreed in what had been said , could place himself iu their position, and in that way intro. that system, no more than the preetoling, ptheured pima- *op.!, in the polobeation of Ifibles was moot unjustly main- :by the right hon. Kinnear-M. The answer which he was duce British laws and instautioris. Calling hnessell the neat peace for the eOlOny, bemuse in 1841-6, during the ' too" lo 14.1 w1f of the two Whieee , ith".• !..11 , 14011ed hY a I going to Inn: to the flue-anion of th e hon. gentleman (Mr. ' father of the tribes, he had required them to give up their time of Sir P. Alaitland, there arose a fresh war, which patent from the roan to a printer in ,hie cour.try. He Wake.) non that he dill not think it would be according old customs—suet), fur example, as pulygamy—and had appeared more extensive and disastrous than an y that (31r Hume) hoped W have the right hon. baronet's aupport I t o precedent , or f a ir fur th e cr e am it it w e re, without any tried to introduce British customs in their stead. His sys. had pr e Ceded it. Sir P. Maitland described the when ha brought un his m o ti on ma the subject o f th e Bible , notice at the matter being taken hY that Manse, to offer a tem, if fairly carried out, would be effective, for it was • circumstance: of that War, and from the parlia- ' monopoly.. Heave) reward; but, if after the' nee's. the parties were not in system of extermination ; but he knew that this country mentary papers of the time would be fo un d th e Sir K . INGLIS, in soplanation • denied that he was • ' custody. then the house might addressthe crown to otter a was too humane to let him carry out such a system to its trivial cireumstancte which led to, and the more serious ftee•triedrr. (Laughter.) Ile had never pretended that reasorol. (Hear, hear.) legitimate results. There was another system which ones that afterward, aggravated the consequences .if that - there should be • monopoly in the printing of wheel- , K AIFRABIA. hail been tried elsewhere--it was that of re. war. It appeared that in the first instance th e Kitties in- ' books; on the contrary, he tiail protested asmonat it. , •1: he eI'EAKER basing called ou Mr. Adflerley to pro. cognising the nationality of the native tribes, terfered, not on account of any incursion made into their FREE OPENING OF SE. PAUL'S. fte. cec;: i l i vv i i i ni u li c ia x raw fo tio N u on the sub or Kati/Aria, Mr. II 1.• II E. basing wiened to Wiytmineter Abbey and respecting their auetitutWaea, and entering into friendly , territory, but li c e. use within the British tt•ITII , ,Ty of the presented a petition from the London relation. with them. He did not say whichC . •th •authorities • about punish ' St Paul's. cathedral, the former of which had been, the poli cy . . apt 4. %ere to a Kaffir who had Missionary Society, praying for inquiry into the CARS , Or was desirable in this ease—it would be difficult to say wi th . I been guilty of some offence nallinSt the law. A party of tattoo. downy was to be, after mush difficulty, t h eown the war at the Cape. out inquiry; but any policy between the two evatems Kaffirs was sent into the Cape territory to reSett ' . the 1 • opea to the Public. Said that acing that we were about to be NI, ADDEKLEy p rewn t e d a petition from London whirl' he Witt just de-scribed mood fail. Lord Grey :mid in . goner ; and it turned out not to be a mere insulatee 1 attem ptl tainted bY a camber of intelligent strangers, that all the nwre h au t s eimift Capes ete d w ith th e Ca, in favour of his me- his instructionts to Sir Harry Smith, that it would he not lof a few individuals, but a {intone, fled plan which had cathedral+ on the continent were main Gee of charge, and non. lite hon. gentleman said that it` there had 14- en time enough for this alarm to Pam away, the ancient authori- ' been arranged by one of the chiefs. Now, n theco uld bo • that these place. were always visited by strangers, it Wail he be the petitiion would have la, n signed by almost ties had liven broken un. and it ma+ the task of the British no doubt hut that Sir P. Main food had when lowent to ; most deorable that no...aeons should h e renewed by the go- every rue•rehant in Laudon, but it had the signature of one governmen; to supply their place. Could anything be the colony the most honourable feelings towarde the native 1 vernineut for obtaining free access 10 all the cathedrals in i n di v id ua l t o w hi c h h e attached even mow importance clearer than the fact. that since 1817 it had beenboril Grey's ; tribes, and all his previous connections were calculated the country. It ought to he stat e d, in justice to the capi- than to thoW of the merchants of Loudon. And that WAS the policy to break up th e Authority of the all chief., anew Ito make,: lii . m . belLee tha t previous failures had arisen from ; holm Wa of Nur. kit, \ Y. H., and York• that th ose canoe- an/nature. of the geutienwei who represented the Cape color reaLece it with that of the go - sacrum 3 T.....h.. nil' r ' which , our mak e atm to conethate the Kaffir. But in an addres• , deft. Were already opm fro • of charge ; and in those CAWS Ili.t• in London. IW believed that a hawvai some p erson , h a d b ee n munsr.ced must of course be finished. I written by him to the inhabita nt s of the colony and the the very best results Lid been 4 dieted. might deka of the eh-wailer of that gentleman—and But what mai to be 4100 e afterwards' ? He pro- ' friendly, trill's he bore this remarkable testimony to the 1 Col. HAWDON said that Hampton Court was now open th e r e wa s so person peupying • responsible. public pm posed that information should be obtained by means I forbearing conduct pursued by the colony thnoughuut th e ' on Sundays: he would throw it to 13fr the cumiderution siti o n who wa. not liLlin to have as many enemies of a conimiwiou ...a the spat . and for that nwpOsll - he Mond I whole of the time referred to: He said , " Certain attacks I ofthe' Roverument whether or not the National Ciallcry and se. (Real' .—that he represented at least ninefteut6 a precedent in they ear 15.27. To the prop - sal of the noble ; have been made, and the withdrawal of OUT troop has given ew 6.1r114.1111 might not also be advantageously theorem open o f th e whe:e futun• electoral body at the Cape. He (Mr der At the head of the government fora select committee he rise to deprolatiuus of a peculiarly alines character, and ' withal clay. Adderley) believed that the government and c o loni s t s of greatly objected, bah tier ewe he SaW that the noble lord , which, coupled with other indications of a hostile feeling, BUSINESS OF TIIE HOUSE. thr Cape were in a -erious danger and p re di c a men t. Hr. Washea tO maintain the present policy, and fweause 118. • the a arc evidence that tSe party- which prefers war to pt 111 answer to Sir G. el.ratn , thereuve. moved "that au :swak address bc presented w involved Cleat delay . A+ regarded the propo s al of the him. without plunder predominates among the natives. So far Lord J. RUSSELL said he proposed to take th e s t er o id h er Majesty', praying tket she . sill be graciou.ly pleased to , levant (Sir W. Mulomorth), that the troupe should be ' from this conduct Wing provoked by the colonists there is rending of the Income Tax Bill the first thing on MoutlaL, &Naiad uSe oW more commisaioners, with instructions to . withdraan and the coktuiste left to defend th e mselves, it no act of aggression on their par! s which can be its the ISth instant ; and he wished to give notice that Oh t , penned to South Africa win A ttire and report to the : had this recommendation ; he Mast say that the plan was corded for the last seven years. I make this Thursday following. lw should move the second reading of Ws! le 14 tnlju .ing 'the re:ft - ions istweets - thft " country I larch effestise and sitnple, but it was wanting in justice. statement with pride and pleasure, and I believe ft to the bill for the relief of Jewish disabaities before , any nth. r Kaffir - to-1b..... ,1 I of d werminiug the en- II: s: 0n . ...d, Iwwisi r. prefer it to the nannies an t e noble he cornet to the letter... Now he thought that Sir P. and the business The nee y estimates would be brought on on the , gei . in . ,. w e eothre d into :ml 117; Maje!ity's Hish Commis -' tont - AA ith these remarks, he begged to submit his motion Alaitland would not have made that stateinent without the , came "T. after the Jrm bill had been read • second time.. saner is his settle tof the extended territory." .Now 'to the house. (Cheers.) fullest conviction that he w as d o i ng nu i n j ust i ce - to t h e Oa Ind oy they poopowel to go into conionittoe on the In- there was MI government at the Cape. nor for nearly two Mr. HUME seconded the motion. come Tax Bill, and to proceed with the Ecclesiastical Titles year, had then: been any goverument of any sort or kind, 1 Katlirs. (Bear, hear.) That was continued for some time, Bill on the Alonalay folluwing. (ilea:, hear.) With re- I iteetaarAk, nasmarshic, es aristocratic. The governs r: matt to the hon. gentleman's motion. Us (Lord J. kW- Previous war. Lord J. RUSSELL said he rose to propos: , an amend. and it cost the treasury of this country more than had the (Hear, hear.) Sir P. Maitland, and after- wards Sir af. Pottinger, carried on that war with all the I know whether he had acted with humanity nr iehitmanity M success of previous wars, and ultimately the Kaflira were coat- 1 It was doubtless very proper that the Haire of C0113110:1,1 pletely subdued. Sir I'. afintland had Well asked to consider should interfere. Ihe noble lord at the head of the govern what system would he best calculated to preserve the colony I ment had mid —Let there be a committee formed, motility front further depredations, and what he recommended was impartial, and l e t th e m i nqu ire into the conduct of the that the boundary should tie extended to the Karroo—that governor and the authorities at the Cape, the they are more the Kaffir. who had been hostile should not be allowed to' likely to come to a fair determination and judgment upon live within the British territory, but that the intervening 1 the whole matter than any other tribunal. Under the Mrs district should be colonised with friendly tribes. Sir li. I cumstances of the new, and being satisfied that Sir harry Pottinger took a view of the can not dissimilar from that of , Smith had behavcd in every respect as a man of honour mot Sir P. Maid:old, and Lora Grey gave instructions in or-' humanity, he would most heartily and cordially Support the cordance with these opinions, at the same time recommend- " amendment of the noble lord. (Hear.) Mg that the co-operation o f ' the Kaflir chiefi sh o uld he ' Mr. GLADSTONE said the philosophical theory of Mr. sought, if they could be prevailed upon to discontinue prat-' alookinnontliti not meets help the inquiry. Hem:reed a itS tin Bee% which were discordant to the feelings of the British noble lord at the head of the government that the mo re we nation. They were, if possible, to improve the morals and separated this question from the inculpation of individuals habits of the Kaffir., and so, by obtaining a healthy aseen- the better, partly bemuse the matter was so diffieult, and daney over them, to secure the maintenance of peace. The partly, also, berms , that house must come in for its full hon. gentleman who had made the motion before the house share of blame. (Hear, hear.) What was past lie am seemed to think that the proper policy would be to leave willing to emssitter as part. Ile had very little imp, that the Kaffirs entirely to themselves. But there were certain the house would be able to establiih as against the practices which belonged to those tribes with which British colony any portion of claim for the expels's, of dominion had never been able to harmonise. The hon. the present war, but, if the government should baronet the member for Southwark hail treated their witch- be able to effect that object, all he could say craft in a vein of pleasantry, but he (Lord J. Russell) would was that they would deserve eminently well of their remind the house that it was a practice among the Kettles country. (" Hear, bear," and a laugh.) What he was when one of their rommunity become rich in cattle or agri- most anxious to impress upon the house was this—that the cultural produce to accuse him of witchcraft, and on that future war in sums degree in our power, and that we should pretence to kill him and confistette his property. Hundreds not commit ourselves with respect to the future by any .st t of instances of murder and confiscation had thus occurred, of indiscretion or any oinismon of that which it no , 011. and it was not to he exported that a British magistrate or duty to do sow. (Hear, hear.) Ile was very much in the governor would look quietly on and nut attempt to put an predicament in which the hon. member for Northampton end to scenes seine's were so abhorrent to their nation and (Mr. V. Smith) had stated himself to he. Ile did not acre nature. (Hear, hear.) Sir 11. Smith had been accused of with either of the proforma* now before the house. All that despotic habits, and almost of tyranny and cruelty in his could be dent. by a eummissittner could he done by a so government. But the objection he (Lord J. Russell) had venter, if the bonen! had confidence in the latter. Oleo ) seen mule to him war that he had behaved with too much With regard to the apptintinent of a (menthes., he o ooko:ol leniency to the chiefs, and he had a letter in his pocket not dwell on the old objection so common to all gut-dews which complained that whereas Sir 11. Pottinger had se. of this kind—that it tended to shift the responsibility from cured Sandilli, Sir 11. Smith had set him free, and asserting the executive government to others—because that ma. that if the latter had instead sent the turbulent chief to a ment, however true and important, might be comeaSe convict settlement, the peace of the colony would have of being modified. But, in this particular east' all been preserved. Well, hr admitted that Sir 11. Smith had the objections to a parliamentary committee had been deceived in his anticipations of tranquillity, bit that special force. It was °bijou. that one effect of a he was not altogether unaware of the approach committee would be, to hang sip the question, and to of disturbance was proved by the fact of his stop the discussion of it probably for two so'ssitnet of par writing home that the state of affairs required his lioment. (Hear.) We could all sketch out what the pro resence on the frontier. He certainly did not expect so reeding: before it would Igo. The comtnitnim wtoultl meet. formidable a state of affairs as had arisen; hut there It would be eompored of gentlemen having a multitude tot were numberless instants s tole men of great to other avocations. They would examine the witnesses who and experience in government who had been sum might he ready at hand. They ',mild rend for others from prised by the breaking out of an insurrection, which they the ('ape. Thome other witn e sses would nut arrive until had, an they thought, taken ample means to prevent. the end of next session. We should then have the old story (Hear.) Besides, Sir Harry Smith hod the assistance of able again, and we would be in great good fortune if wto men, among others, of Colonel M'Kinnon, a man well or- had the report ready for discussion in the session of go:tinted with the frontier, anti very capable of assisting 18.13. It was the nault of hi. own conviction. and exp.- him a ith information and support. Weil, this war having rience that the lord government—a government centred in broken out, and being similur in character to preceding the colony—was the only government that could be stoma wars, of which thin country bad to incur the cost, and the and healthful for a colony constituted in a legitimate I colony to incur the peril --a' ith thin exception, that, whereas and normal manner tor freemen of our own r o e s in n former war ten thousand Kettles had broken into the But, if we were to hare a government hers ' settled and peaceful parts of the colony, the pre- let it be the (lumen's government. If we wanted to govern sent was fir removed from those districts -having the colonies in England, we should only agaravotte the noi.- broken out, further measures were to be considered, and he chief by taking the charge of any government into that trusted that they would be considered most dispussionotely. house. The Secretary of State Wils the proper ottleer in (Fleur, bear.) Ile trusted that it would be dispassionately such cases. Ile had the necessary experienee ; the hoes , coniiderea with reference to the engagement. into, which had not. Hi+ mind was constantly airectoil to time suite-et, I we had cutenal, with reference ate time implied promise of and it was innussible to fi nd fillown gentlemen of that protection we had given to the colony, and with referenet• house who cotes! apply theinselsea to the consideration of to the safety lof the settlers, and oh' those great tribes of men the question with anything like the ads antager po or. ...„; who have settled there under our rule. In considering the by the Secretary of State. If he looked at the question as I question Ite thought they could not merely say, with the a matter of reason, then he thought the Secretary tof Stat.• I hon. baronet opposite, that the Cape should Have free insti- ought to be the best governor of a colony. if lie lo o k, ol tutions, and then he let't to defend itself. Ile (Lora J. even at the practical experience of parliamentary tune limosell) was fearful that if they adopted that rourte they mittees, then he must say that he our not odways a nise, d would be responsible for an 1111fIlellW amount of bloodshed, with the results of the lolomm of such committees. ; I leer.) and the most dreadful of civil war ; for no doubt a war of He had heard .01110 allusion that night to the affairs 01 races would take piece in the etoltmy, rind we should he re- Ceylon. Now he did not think that the character of that spondlole for looking on, apparently as governors and pro- lions,', or of the committees of that house, load been at all Menus ' while, in flea, we wee, t•miteuted spectators elevated by the result. of the investigations of the Covl.oti of such scenes of murder and ravage as were horrible committee. (Hear, bear.) in the history of the rage even for the mind to contemplate. (Hear, hear.) Disk- question they would find other illustratiolur of the evil. of missing that alternative, Vierenore, there came another following that course now pro owed to be taken. The noble question which he thought ought to be fairly considered. lord (lamed John Itursell) had that night thono• to They might consider the plan that had been adopted by more than reetotint the failure of their pater in Lord Glenda/ a i l the government of Lord alelbourne, this direction. (Hear, hear.) The most at titbit Ann.:, namely, that of cioleavimrilig to restrict rather than no and the strongest group of measures, over adopted in the cern(' the frontier, and to make treaties with the native wog utis e government of this country with regard to tow tribes in the hope that they would observe them. lie Cape, were adopted in the time of Lord Glettelg, upon the should remark, with regard to that plan, that it seemed to reemuniendation of a mommittet• of that house. The coon have been fairly tricot by men who wished it to succeed, inittee rat in iteli-6. Ile (Mr. Gladstone) hall sensed on and hitherto `Meet. hall nut iwen entomensurate with the that committee along with Sir F. Buxton, who, it net the henevolt•nce of the project or the ability and seal of the men chairman, was at least the conductor and manager of the who had been appended to carry it out. Then there came inquiry ; and he was bound In ray that lie had never are a the plan that had been adopted on the advice of Sir B. member of parliament thwharge hi+ duty with more D'Crban, Sir I'. Maitland, Sir 11. Pottinger, rind Sir 11. zeal, energy, and ability, or with a groat, r Smith—namely, that of extending, our frontier to the command of the sultjert before him, than in the border, of time river, where the military posts could observe case of Sir F. Buxton in the coterie of the sittings of that the 111C1111i00 , of any %swage tribe, and 'adopt the hest committee. liut what was the remit ? A total chawee of means of restraining them, together with forts stuttered policy was reemninended nod W.l. aliftiot,4l; end that total through the colony where the army could concentrate, nun change afterwards proved a total failure ; stood the fact was defensive measures be Carried 011. ills opinion was that that the wars in that colony since that period had le oit system, with all its erspenses and hazards, was, after all, the more bloody, costly, and ruinous than they hail ever be ii moot conristent with humanity on the one hand, and before. (Hear.) There was here, then, no elleOUrago.M. lot with security on the other. He thought that if the whatever to proceed to appoint moths,. committee to examine committee should approve of the plan that had hitherto into the relations oethis country with time Katfir tribes of the been adopted -always supposing that the first thing Cape frontier. (Hear, hear.) But lie had a still greater to loe done was to give Sir Merry Smith any rein- olgertion to tins counts Ile beli..sed that the appointment foreementr he might re sire to nowt the immediate danger of a committee would be a do elitist stop in the very weed —(hear, hear)—that then it would he advisable to have direction. lie was consiticid that is Wan Utterly impossilar perions examined who were well acquainted with the wants fur them, in this country, to devise lay satirliwtory system and peculioritiesof the colotiy.The viewsof government would of adjusting their reboiling with tilts...Kaffir tribes. It was he fully stated to the cotionitew, and it would he fur thrum absolutely necessary that this shoot,' be ,' • by the men on dispassionately to consider this gnat question, not as tone that the god. (Hear, hear.) II.• would ask them in what position concerned the present government, or the present colonial they would be placed tifte•r transferring the management secretary, but as one intimately coinnet•ted with the interests to a committee: of that howse risould tm war menu break out of this great empire. (Hear, hear.) The quertions they (Hear, hear.) Why, they would Ime even more respotaiible would have to coarider were, whether the policy that had then than now ; and still more nugatory than now would been loomed was a round one, and if not, whether a better then be the diseursion whether they or the futility should one could be adopted, with a likelihood of producing lone- undertake to defray tht• costs fa' Mortalities with the frontier fleial results. Ile was quite of maim that a committee people. (Hear, hear.) These were time main objectimi could far better spend its time in that way, titan in enolt•a- which hr had to the apnointment of a committee. But lie enuring to areertain whether Sir 11. Smith had acted im- must fairly confess that he war nut prepared to prop.e any prutit•ntle in his proclamations tor his interviews with the other remedy of a domestic charm•ter. Ile was satisfied fit it chief+, or whether Lora eirtoy had drone wrong in remising this country could never do it ; kind time only coltelosion to with approbation the information communicated to him by which it was porrible to el/1110 wan that it was ad. that officer. It war with that view he should propose the visoble, by measures as runtime as they pie:toil, but amendment of which he had Riven notice for the appoint- in a manner nn six•etly 11. they could, to transfer ment of a committee. That committee might conic to time the management of the whole molter into the hoot!. of the conclusimi that instead of the plan lit. otrtoposokil, and instead colonists. Perhaps this was not the time to dialiss Ma of rootaining Sir 11. Smith a. High Commissioner, a special nierirure in full. But he could siot separate it from the t'onsi commission should be sent to the colony ; but he thought it deration of this particular ea.•. The main intlumment he would loe• premature for the hour° to come to such a eon- had to vote awaited the appointment of 11 committee a ems in elusion in the first fort:owe, end therefore he mould the anxiety he felt to avoid any step the effect of which eonclutle by 1011V1111{ , " That a statist committee he ape would be to give a fresh parliamentary sanction to the 'wet palmed to inquire into the relations imween this country mischiertus and unsound system of maua g io., the basal and the Kaffir and other tribes on our South African atenrs of the colonies from home. Ile contended frontier." that these wan on the Cape frontiers were alto- Mr. V. SMITH was not inclined no make this a party geotlit•r local affairs. And it they asked him Why question, and in prtsff of his intent' logged to say that he wan anxious to throw on the coolooists the he did not otitprove of either of the iorfoloo n ats before time buishon of conducting thou , wars, he would reply that it was tlllUne. Ilis notion Was that the matter Wan e•ntively one not entirely, not even mainly, becalms, of the great loli11111: for the executive government. (Hear, hear.) Ile ole econforny which he believed would result from the atloptimi jested to stooling out a commission, because it would in en eat that policy. Ile war not ashamed to say that atto r re lt r fect miscasts. the governor, un'i lower him in the eyes of enee to public honour, no duty was Mon' ilIClllll6,llt 011 the natives : and he objected to a committee beeause he that house than to lessen, wherever possible, the weight of could not conceive what information they could acquire taxation pi...string upon the public. I p t was at any rate not which war out already in pcsassien of the executive for them—the retort-+e nt:diet sof the people, mil specially (Hear, he or.) He believed that the whole of our policy in sitting then' to use the taxes of time people—to do anything the Cape .more IsOn lad been erroneous, and that was the which could rentli•r More tut , largt•r than the mill estate, opinian of one of the hest anti wistat of governors, Sir 11. sits of the empire demanded. Theriahre, it was nut nor Mein Potting, r, alio said that if in his power he would minimal to be ashamed of propounding principles 0: 11'01011a3•o not extend the limits of the colony. (War.) The noble in connexion with the government. (Hear. Mem) Ile lord het alluded to the government emigration of 1519; nevertheless felt that there were much higher principles but was it not astonishing that snore that time the annual now involved: and it was not eon grlllllll'n for tiloanet. alone emigration had not exceeded 7(fn, awing the entormous num- that he notvor.itint the lx,floWal 011 the ratting, of tile me ben emitatitly going to America rand Australia. (Hear, restricted regulatiun of their own local affair, and rumoring hear.) His noble friend add, "you oiu . t protect the those local offitira_the moot eat mead of their War. With the settlers." Grated, but how for were they to go? (Hear, aboriginal and frontier tribes. Thir Wan no virimetry hear.) At'as every man who chose to settle on a distant %Memo Ile granted it could not be aectomplishml in a day. rock to claim continuous pmt ction from the mother eoun- They had des lewd far already front a sound system of I try ? Were time (Sipa colonists to have continuous military colonial policy ; nod it might not lak easy to get (Hear, from us and to do nothing for theinselvei ? hack at once to a healthy system. All he entrutell I(Hear, hear.) They were unwilling to defend themselves, of them wit% not to travel * hunt it, to keep it in 1 and consequently were always culling fur military assistance. view, and whatever steals they took to make certain Mr. Smith then entered at much lo.ngth into the practical that thaw steps evert, in the right direction. It was cer ports of the questitm, urging that the Cop' was not a colony tainly not a visionary system. It Was the system under on whose account much expense should he incurred by time which they had reared their old American eolonista Those mother country. He tint not see what witnesses could be colonist% never asked the 'nether country to curry on ealled before a committee, except °tibial.< who had already, the colonial wars with the Indiana Olean Mar.) by their acts and destpatehes, expressed their opinion on the The Indian wars of the North Amman colonists question of the government of the ramie. At the same had never cost this rummy million.. (Hear, Mar) time he contended that our system must b' changed, for we Their system, then, was natural ma had worked at II; had nettle no progress svhatt•ver in civilising or conciliating their system now was unnatural and a orked Molly. Ile the natives, lie adeetutsa the restriction of the power of asked them not to coutinutt in the %know, system. The hon. the governor or the roleny in regard to military enterprise. number who had last spoken had said that it ails mile, Mr. F. SCOTT would support Lord John Russell's for members of the house to make 8111.Vellen on the,....uh ain,ndluent. Ile comoleirmed the " Bombartes nitro., jecti, seeing the pamphlets written on the el.llollie. Whil 11 RlMlliey " of Sir 11. Smith, and said he conridered Lord John left them nothing to say. Ile quite agreed with three hon. Russell'. amendment us amounting to a censure upon the ine•mber, and he asked the I . member to act in ;too coloniel policy we had hitherto pursued. cordence with that °einem. (Laughter.) He (Mr. (ilatt- Mr. MACKINNON anti that any one acquainted with stone)) could not go with time hon. member for Southa,ark the difference% existing between civilised beings and (Sir %V. Molerwortit) in time assertion of WI obstruct prate barbarians must be aware that wars between our forcer and Mph.* in these questions. The proposition of that liou. the people of Kaffrario were inevitable for a series of yrari. member was that a large class of the colonies should la It had been too in other countries. Our West India required to bear their town military expenses. To that pro islands were originally inhabited by the Cerrito pontiou he agreed; but lie entertaiiied the greatest objec race. The consequence was that a coostant warfare tiun to the assertion of the principle by the 'Louie of (Uns hod to be carried on, which was ended by the total monad. 111011, It Wan calculated to excite undue hopes, loud on the lotion of that particular race. Again, in North America, other hand, undue fears. Thu house might fall shout of its savage Indians inhabited it originally, whn nought and de- amitrancer, tool both with those who hoped and feared all strayed each other. What had now become of those confidence would be lust; and the consequence woultliw that Indians? Had they not retires' to the far west? Were those relations which ought to bind the legistutatreto all these they not being driven hack to the Pacific Ocean, and in a whom it raped on' fur olualienew would be weakened and re few yeah would they not be utterly annihilated and eater- taxed. (hear.) Hecould not therefore approve of the elltalleia minetsd from the face of the earth? (Hear, hear.) blow tion et' any abstract principles of a colonial policy generally. were cotillicti to be prevented between civilisation on the But this he would say, when they bad a practical qutatiou one side, and barbarism on the other ? The governors at , before them, let them assert their abstract principle in a the Cape had attempted to Prevent them, by establishing a ' practical form. (Hear, hear.) Ile knew only one valid or sort of neutral ground between the two portico, thinking fair objection to the system of imposing responsibiiity far that by removing the Kaffirt back, the colonists might 1 wars upon the subunits themselves. Appeals might be be permitted to carry on their pursuits in tranquil- made, oat the ground of humanity, against the proposed po lity. When it afterwards became necessary to ex. Hey • but he had yet to learn that the colonists were not tend the bountlary further, it then 'sPleured that , is:Weedy well able to defend themselves. If they should occasional wars and conflicts were inevitable. The Karnes' prove to be unable, this country would gladly help them. were a set of pastoral tribes ; and every governor had had ' The only rational plan fur making a colony vigorous ma to encounter this extraordinary difficulty, that, as the colon 1 self-relying was the founding it in freedom, mot the giving its nmota extended the diameter of the (tape laud, it was impos- government into its OWII hands. Ile thought the Mille el . a Bible to prevt•nt collisitous between them and the Kaffir , military expenditure u miserable resource upon which to tribes who were retreating. Now, when Sir Harry Smith i rely for securing the attachment of colonists, and fur pre went out with full powr no us high commiasioner there hap- veuting the apprehended dismemberment of the empire. Pelted to be a. great conflict existing between these tribes Lord MANDEVILLE would support Lord J. Rutstein y h , o a n n . d ire tt n ie . and the colon ists. W hot did he do ? He settled the qui*. amendment, thinking inquiry might Ise advantageous. tion in a very admire able manner, showing great tact, Judas Colemel THOMPSON expreased his opinion that we had mea t prudence, gild humanity in his manner of adjust- 1 illstreated the African semi-baritarians. ing it. The late outbreak which had taken place Sir E. M. BUXTON objected to the withdrawal of im itiwas out of his power to prevent, for it had 'period interference from the colony, as the result would he arisen, as he (Mr Mackinnon) had sail before, . that tile Kaffir. would he " eaten up." He regretted that 1 Mean aCidiliven•relto. policy 11 j s u e s i t l ic t e lta a t qnuorttioo n,h,toveudnotateers, or r n w d t e o ru t c h l e ty K w air ould as be we grezt ul lv d iLler , c o aset him l. tleuien bitting there, who merely took up a pamphlet, to I deal with the natives, expense would not he lightened, and do ll ,11ilycolenacviilnigat. the B„whisolououit brlwk:thatre7rtatnoetnfogbotoshvtre'els,rutfthurolli.i.;;;lutyroo; f o ow f ati t . h he e tit ei i. vili s st ib ud le p i t': to e would us, have us do Inca:, 0