The Express. — London, England, 1851-07-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LO_ RDS.—TVEADAT, JOLT 1. The LOOP COANCILLOS took his seat at awe o'clock. SMITHFIELD MARKET REMOVAL BILL. Lord REDESDALE brought up the report Ton t he standing orders committee, which recommended that the base should sot proceed further with this bill, as the standees orders with reference to private bills had not been Complied with. hord BEAT MONT did not wish in any way to impairs the deciiien of the standing orders committee ; bat, it their lordships considered this bill as a mere private bill, they would establish an unfortunate precedent. In the present instance they would also do a great injury to, and prevent a great boon from being conferred on, the public If they allowed a non-compliance with the standing orders to pretest the paring of this measure. The object of the bill was the removal of one of the greatest nuisances that could exist in the metropolis—(loud cries of " hear, hear, ' Prom all putts of the house)—and it was a measure of as great public interest am had ever been submitted to the legislature. (Hear, hear.) It was not introduced into the other homer of parliament as a private bill. It was not resolved upon, in fact, until the commencement of this year, and if it had been a private bill it would have beennttcs evy that main shnnld have been given to the parties interested ie October or Nov,:ehur last ; but a. this was a great pub lic escaoire of which all the world had notice, her Majesty's psi minuet, who undertook to consider the subject, did not resolve on the character of the bill until February in this year, when it was introduced on motion ; and it was pro ceeded with in the Houm of Commons As a public bill. It was referred to the standing order. committee in that house, who geese to the conclu+ion that it was a public bill, and did aM requires the standina orders to he complied with. That committee recommended a certain course to be adopted, and the Lail was then prate:oiled with as a public bill. The !rowel un which the whsle qui turned was, whether this was a public or a prix etc hill. lilt was a private bill it would be Sue tar hour to, coadeler whether, in reference to so im potent a hill, they would not dispense with the standing order.. He should more a resolution to, the effect, " that considering that the Smithfield Market Removal Bill par takes more of the nature of a public bile them of the nature of a private bill, this house i. of opinion that compliance with the st iodine orders of the house in reopect of private bills ehuula not Ii romired in the case of seed hill; and that said bill preceedel with as a public The corporation of London hail petitioned to he heard at the bar on this subj. et of noo, compliance with the standing order., but they reoetol have no reason for complaining, become they had had full notice of it ; still, if their lordship; thought they ought to he heard at the bar ice defence of their interests, he would not object to such a course. The Mantua of SALISBURY thought the noble lord ought to have given nntioo of his motion. laird lIKAL MONT had no objection to bring on the sub nn a future day if it was preferred, fto r a conversation in which Lord Lyndhurst, Lord eolooolde, Lord Brougham, Earl Grey, the Marquis of Clamicaeole, sod Lord Colchester took part, lorol BEAUMONT gave notice that he would on Friday draw tee attention of the house to the subject, and on the preeriou. shy he would lay un the table the exact terms of his motion. (Hear, hear.) The motion was thin withdrawn. l'Al ENT 1..1W AMENDMENT DILL. Earl GRAN VILLE, in mooing that the house resolve it self into, a rommittoa on, this bill, said that the ereellt bell van an oemalgamution of that which had been proposed b the noble and learned lord (Brougham) and the bill which hail liters proposed by himself, the new matter being the fly of a technical nature. The principal objec tion to the present system of taking out patent.. was the delay and expense, the want of security to the true inven tors, and the opportunities of success which were given to false inventor,. It was almost imponible to know what had previously been done with regard to similar patents when an inventor WA, about to obtain a patent; awl there was a 1.., the objection of having to obtain three separate pa tents for the United Kingdom. There was then great des satisfaction felt both ice this country and the colonies as to the potent law which applied to them. The first two or , 1 three clauses of the bill which he hold in his hand rollsti. Weil iortain high functionaries to be commiedunere for the purls"-, of the set--the Lord Chancellor, the Master of the It'll., unit the law officers in England, Scotland, and la Lend -:wit those oinenioionier+ were to appoint scientific persons to examine all new invention. on which patents might le• welch*. I oestooad of eight offices, as art present, in Lonolou, and 2 I for the United Kin,lom, there would only in future be two, officio, one public and the other private, the former being th • "Mee of the Great Seal, and the other beano that which was to he created by the commissioners, which wombl be very much in the nature of a refonuol Anne. ney-fiemeriel's MSce. The next four clauses regulated the mete in a hich Implications was to be made fur a patent. A petition was to he left at the Patent-office. and a general specification of the invention, thereby avoiding the l's if w hich now existol whereby persons with wild schemes in their head., maitioned for a patent, and spent the six months now Reece to them to make out their oweilication in running atbout inquiring into the inventions of other people, and at Last spoil leg an intuition' in no shape whatever like the original idea they entertained. There wouldlie shin a great adrentage risen to the poor inventor, who, on applying fur n patent with a full +predication of the design, would only called on to deposit 5/., for which he would hare com plete poet.. etiom lon six months, and aureole that time lie might toe the invention or exhibit it. The twit clause, the sth. del away with the , present east-at system. It was pro vided that unveils. , petition the bill would be heard, the title of the patent advertised, and any person who had oh petitions make would be invited to .10 so an writing. The eth clause gave no rely a general powo-r to, appeal to the law officers. The tie et clause' applied to the warrant, and did away with the sign manual, the privy seal, and signet offices, and also made one patent apply to the United Kingdom. Th.. 12th elem. , tonic red the warrant to be enrolled in Dublin and Edin burgh for the information of partite% interested in Scotland and lo html. The next clause enabled persuus wlw had taken out a patent for only one kingdom to take out a new patent for the three kingdom.. The next clause applied to foreign pet nal. At parent it was sufficient that an inven ti on a as new in the Unimet Kingdom, but in future it must Is• proved to be altogether novel. At the present time, when a few day. would take a nun to America. and a few hours to Franco, Germany, or tklgitaill, it was not fair that he .1,,,ed0l he able to obtain useful iuventions in those coun tries, and putent them here against all the world. (Hear.) Of the next nine clause. a great part had been in the bill of his noble and learned friend, and had been transferred by the committer to the bill as it now stool. Th. l Tvint,4l to specilieation. and drawings to lie preserved and published, intlioa to he nuule, enrolments, and the registration of pa tents, and eef proprietors. 'together these claws, were Ulllllll4 the most useful pmvisions of the hill, and were likely to mike ouvitications more correct than they wen.. now. The 111 et four extenolvel the pens hem. of what was eommonly called Brougham'. art. The points were prin. twat ly legal and technic:dam.' he , did not think it likely their lordship. would make any obi, etions to them. The remainder of the clauses were thew which hail been proposed to be struck out on the. there reading of the bill. The. Roble Carl pruceeeled to say . he had been as soteel by two learned gentlemen in drawing up this bill, and they thought that it would answer useful ma yors.cud that a measure might be framed to obviate• all dare eine a But he was sorry to say that all the evidence he had heard when he was in committee, both from those who were against patents and from those who were most in firma of them, had only left him the more con firmed in the , opinion, that if it was an advantage to tarring*, it was wrong in principle to hare' any patent protection for euventiona The only rearm- Ale ground taken up for the principle of patents was, that it acted as a stimulus to Inventors. list he did not heliese that in the present state of the world any stimu lus to seivention was required. After some allusion, to the tee of patent. in America and Germany, which were not distinctly heard, the noble earl went on to say that he hail hen requested by the committee to present the bill, and he bad no right to call it his bill individually. lle sweetly receommeuded the *Lure. of the bill to their lord ship.' attention, and before he concluded he wished to ex press his thanks to a learned gentleman, a barrister (Mr. Willehire, we believe) to whose assistance and valuable in formation the committer and himself were greatly in detni d. Lord DROUGIIIANI, who was imperfectly heard. was amt. roused to recommend the evidence to their lordships attentive. a* they would rIVVI%O both pleasure and instrue faun from it, as a large body of interesting and valuable facts. lle did ant denyakat on hearing the evidence, the opt seems be had formerly expressed had Mem somewhat shaken. But it wee a mistake to .appose he had abandoned his bill. lie and his noble friend had redeemed their pledges in the most effectual manner hy the present bill. After a few worth from the Duke of ARGYLL and the Earl of HARR/31111Y, Lord CAMPBELL expressed his entire armroval of the bill of hi. noble friend, Ile hoped it would be the happy ezample for the reformation of our legal system. Earl uIIEY was not disposed to deny that some hardship might result to the British sugar miner from that port of the bill which exempted the colonies from the operation of the patent laws ; but after all, seeing the advantage our sugar refiners permed in prolimity of markets, superior work men• and otherwise, he Ilia nut believe they would be placed in any great difficulty in competing with the colonial re finer. It was these considerations which had induced the gmernment not to extend the patent right to the colonies by the present bill. After a few worda from the Earl of HARILOWDV, 1 1..' motion was agreed to, and the bill passed through commenter. Their lordships then adjourned at a quarter-past 7 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TrEsDAT, JOLT 1 The SPIALZI took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE nt SINUS. CONsIDTRATION or Loam' AILMIXDMMITS.—The Lords' amendments on the Wowing buM was considered and agretil to .—Chorley Waterworks, and Malounbury Tan, pike Roads, Bills. DILI. eu:SolotaiD.--Hartlispool Pier lad Port (canting. Con of new pier, ilke) Bill. COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION BILL The house having gone into committee on this bill, Mr. FITZROY moved an amendment on rums I s gig effect of which was to limit the discretionary powers the clauso conferred on the Lord Chancellor. Sir G. GREY opposed the amendment, as of a chumlit which could not but prove detrimental to the interested justice, and as quite opposed to the object and spirit of the clause. After a few remarks from Mr. WILLIAMS, Mr. FITZROY withdrew his amendment. Kr. G. A. SAMILION moved, but afterwards with- THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY ETENING JULY, 2, 1851 resulting it institu- lenewelgt all other into sir defeats or anomalies in our ; and it unfortunately beep= that while these evil tie i rg=o 7 t all, trivet the fora which a Ml* Oft bed he " Mince the year 1843 mo o bos leen Lone. Up to the last ago of tic l commissioner. 728 dis bar. been searlitated, and a large number of churches hare been built and enlarged bythe Church Building .Soeiety. I see from • return w I hold in my hand that the cost of works in which that sudsy has been engaged amounts to 1,246,3081. Since the year 1840 the Curates' Aid Society has been engaged in opera tions to the amount of 179,6 ,21. The Church l'utoral Aid Society has not been backward either. This society now aids 319 incumbents with grants to provide stipends for 294 clergymen, and 96 by assistants col:1hour among an aggregate population of 2,294,284, or on an average above 7,000 souls to each incumbent, the av rage amount of whose incomes is only 2001., and 173 of them without parsonage houses. Such, sir, are some of theprivate efforts that have been made, but we have yet much before us. I have here a selection et some few places out of many, showing how urgent is the , need that still exists for increased church accommodation. the head oft/fairs made, in 1543, when he was in opposi tion, a proposition, in reference to a motion of Sir It. Peel's, to precisely the fame effect. It had been objected that this severaaco of the patronage of benefices from the great seat would weaken the connexion between the state and the church; but he did not at all admit the objection. Tho readiness of private benevolence to meet public encouragement in the.removal of that fearful evil spiritaal destitution had been placed beyond all doubt ty experience. The estimated cost of tho va rious worlo promoted by the Church Building Society in seven years amounted to 1,240,308/. ; of this 250,901/. had been contributed from various funds, while the sum raised by private contributions alone had been 20.3,109'. In like manner the sum raised to meet grants for incomes from the Curates :Sid Society amounted in ten years to 50,305/. ; sum voted for endowments by the society, 10,150/. ; sum raised locally to complete them, 33,3•33/. In order to pro vide endowments for the 600 new churches of 100/. each, together with a sum of 50/. for the maintenance of the fabric, would require an annual sum of 154,0001. it ap peared from the first report of the commissioners upon episcopal sad capitular revenues, that yearly value of the tithe-rent charges h'longing to the church was estimated at 650,000 t. ; of this about one-seventh, or 180,000!. was enjoyed by the church as lessor, the remain ing five-sevenths by the lessees, and they recommended that these leases should not be renewed, but in order to provide for the sum now accruing to the church a similar sum, say 200,0001., would have to to borrowed for a period of 20 years the time computed for the greater part of the leases to fail in. This might be done at 31 per cent. upon the se curity of a like annuity to commence from the close of that period, and to continue fur 40 years. The interest now en joyed by the church, as lessor in lands and houses, sa;:c., amounted to 300,000/. a year; but by a more equitable ad ministration of the leases, which might be immediutely adorned, this might be inerea. , ed about 60 per cent., making its yearly iuterebt About 480,0091. The calculation would then staud thus, were these arrangements adopted for the next twenty years:—Yearly sum borrowed to meet the non-renewal of leases, 200,000/. ; interest of the church, as lessor in houses, &c., 480,0001.—total, 6.40,000/. In St. Anne's, Limehanse, there is a population of 2.5,121, with church accommodation for 2,000, or one-twelfth ; In St. John's, Waterloo-road, a population of 30,000, with accommodation fur 3,560, or one-ninth ; in St. Martin's, Birmingham, a population of 4-5,000 has only church accent atodatios for 3,990, or one-eleventh; St. George's, South wark, 60,000,with accommodation for 4,640, or one-eleventh; St. Giles, Durham, with a population of 5,000, has only accommodation for 300, or one-sixteenth; Middlesborough, with 10,000, accommodation for 000, or one-sixteenth ; Sutton in Ashfield, population 6,863, with accommodation for 500, or one-fourteenth • Swansea, a population of 30,000 accommo dation for 2,500, •r one-twelfth. These are a kw instances which it may be well to specify ; but, sir, here is also a list of 131 places or parishes in different dioceses of England and Wales, containing an aggregate population of 3;272,852, from which, deducting about 450,000 for nonconformists, we find that there are 543 churches to supply this population of 3,62'2,*12 souls ; or allowing that one church is sufficient for 3,000 souls, we should have 1,893,8.52 immortal beings' with neither encouragement nor opportunity for entering the house of God. Again, it is generally admitted by those best conversant with a minister's duties that a charge of 2,000 persons is as many as he can effectually attend to. Vell, in 13 great parishes of the metropolis, all of them with a population above 10,000 souls, and someof them tour times that amount, containing an aggregate population of 762,383 souls we find a body of 141 clergy, leaving a de ficiency of 2 37, or 474,000 souls nearly uncared for. in the parish of Mauchester, on the same calculation, there is a deficiency of 32 pastors; Liverpool, 93; Leeds, 29; Shef field, 21 ; Wolverhampton, 22; Bristol, 27; Birmingham, 52; Newcastle, 2:1. So that we may say there is not one populous place in this great country where we shall not find the name alarming deficiency. We may indeed assent to the proposition of the late Sir R. Peel, that the parochial system, as it existed in 1843, was suited to other times and other states of the people, and was that point in which the church of England was principally de fective. I next read in this address this paragraph:—" The overwhelming duties which now devolve upon some of the bishops, owing to the enlarged population, and the happy circumstance of an increase also iu the number of the clergy, appear to make it desirable that there should be a corre sponding increase of the episcopate; and if your Majesty, in your wisdom, should see fit to recommend such a men tore, the revenue and residence of the deanery in some ;dazes might be made available, where fitting circum. stances concur." The fact is, that with a population of four times the amount of that which existed at the time of the Reformation, and with a number of clergy that have borne some proportion to that increase, the number of bishops, to all intents and purposes, remains the same. Thu present number of clergy would give, on an average, upwards of 500 to every bishop, while some of the larger sees average 800, and one upwards of 1,000. It has been very well remarked, that the bishop is of course liable to receive and answer communications from every one of his clergy; to be added to this, the secularities of his diocesan duties may be said to absorb very nearly the spiritual character of his office. Let us follow him to London, where he is summoned by his writ, and we shall Shut him in his scat in parliament, at the board of the eccle siastical commissioners ; at that of Queen Anne's Bounty • Sum required by act of parliament to provide income:l for bishops, deans, and cathedrals, 450,000/. ; leaving a ?surplus of 200,0001. to be applied in the manner now suggested. This surplus would still be subject to a charge of 50,000:. a-year, which is paid to the ecclesiastical commissioners fur vacated cathedral preferments, leaving, in round numbers, the sum required. The pro bable reduction of the septeu• Mal averages would, to a certain extent, cause • one further diminution in this sum, but sufficient would be left to make what he advanced a fair and feasible proposition. (hear, hear.) He did not come to the tmes to ask a grant of public money. All he sought was, that the church of England should not be allowed to luitguish for want of support when she had within herself the means of that support. (Hear, hear.) Iler tempo ralities had been bequeathed to her by the piety of our ancestors for spiritual purposes, and to spiritual pur posm, it behoved the legislature to see them applied. (Hear, heat.) The church of England was essentially the poor man's church—(cheers)—and her trueglory should be, not the display of personal wealth or of gaudy edifices, but the promotion of the eternal happiness of her children, awl the raising their temporal condition by giving them justsr views of the real aim of this life. (Cheers.) The motion was seconded by Sir B. HALL. Lord It. UltOSVENialt supported the resolution, and cited a number of instances showing the extent of the exiat ing spiritual destitution, and pointing to the best means of remedying it. Mr. H t' ME complained of the vast sums contri buted by the state in various fumes to the church, and of the little good that was done with it. Ile de nounced the maladministration of ecclesiastical revenues, the scanty pittances affirdial to the hard-working clergy and curates, mad the continuance of the disgraceful system of pluralities. lie attributed many of the abuses Of the church to the university system, and he especially charged recent conversions to Rome upon the monkish education we gave our young men. Dissenters, he observed, were never known to go over to popery. The bishops were greatly in fault ; but so was the government, for nut making them do their duty. Ho should rejoice in the zeal pros perity of the English church, and though a radical, he would thoroughly comperate with the conservative noble man who had made the motion of the night. To render that motion more effective, he moved the addition of words praying that there might be laid before the house a minute and detailed account of every kind of property whatsoever belonging to the church of England. Sir B. HALL said he had taken a part in the discussion of church affairs, only for the purpose of making known the many abuse, that existed in the management of church property, with the view that they might be amended. He considered if the motion of the noble lord were agreed to, it should have the effect of re moving many of them, because they would there by obtain the means of carrying out and effecting the object which his noble friend had in view. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend behind him (Mr. Hume) was anxious that there should be church extension. In that he coincided; and because he agreed in that wish he was also ready to agree in the amendment submitted by him. lf that amend ment was adopted he believed the amount of funds that would be placed at the ditpssal of the church for itsown fit ting and proper uses would be incalculable. (Hear, hoar.) The noble lord had referred to the paper, No. 211 of the present session, reearding church extension. Now thins was one portion of the contents of that paper in which he could not agree—he meant the intimation of the two arch• bishops and seven bishops to the ...fleet that one million should be granted for church extension. Now he (Sir B. Hall) should oppose the granting of the very least ht 111), for that purpose. (Hear, hear.) Hi, noble friend not having referred to that point, he took it fur granted that he enter tained no such opinion on the subject. However, his noble friend did refer to the reports of the commissioners ap pointed to inquire into the revenues of the church and the livings in the patronage of the Lord Chancellor. Now, when the archbishops and bishops presented their address, they might have called attention as well to the number of livings in their own patronage as to the number held by the Lord Chancellor. Indeed, he was not aware that the patronage of the Lord Chancellor was worse exercised than that of any other holder of livings. (Hear, hear.) Ile hail heard of several clergymen who had been appointed by the Lord Chancellor, and he believed they were as conscientious and as excellent clergymen as could be found anywhere. (Hear, hear.) There were 700 livings in the gift of the Lord Chancellor, whilst the number of livings in the patronage of four bishops was: the Archbishop of Canterbury, 174 ; Bishop of Durham, 61; Bishop of London, 127 ; and Bishop of Winchester, 86 ; in all 419 livings. The benefices in the bestowal of the Archbishop of Canterbury alone were worth no less than 80,000/. Now, taking that sum at a moderate number of years' purchase, the million of money required for church extension might at once be raised by the sale of the Canterbury benefices. (Hear, hear.) The next proposition ' of the commissioners was that by a better system of manag ing church property, half a million might be obtained in a few Tears, which was a very serious point, inasmuch as it , was by that better system of management they only could hope to arrive at the object in view. (Hear, hear.) In a debate which occurred in the last session, the question was asked, "of what use are the deans i" and the only answer it received was a grave nod of the head from the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's government. Therefore, he thought ho might say that the wish of abolishing them was more or less entertained. The address stated that " it rested with the government to set the scheme (church extension) in motion, and the people would urge it on ward." Now, however much the people might be attached to the established church, they could not be got to press forward any scheme of the kind, unless the church esta blishment were put on a more satisfactory basis. (Hear, hear.) When he spoke of the church, he did not mean the clergy. Those who attacked the emoluments of the clergy were said to be the enemies of the church. Now what he wanted to effect was to make the clergy good and efficient pastors in their several avocations. (Hear, hear.) His noble friend believed that there were ample funds within the church to effect the necessary church extension ; but if his noble friend only perused a volume which, month after month, ho (Sir B. Hall) had been applying for to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners—and which, though ordered in the May of last year, was not produced before June in the present year—he would be very much surprised. The property exhibited in the returns of that volume was of immense value: but the full value was not exhibited, be cause the System of taking fines upon leases was continued, and they consequently would not be able to obtain the real value of church property unless the motions of his noble and hon. friend.) were earned. (Hear.) But imperfect as the returns were with regard to the value of property, ho hoped the house would attend to the recital of the incomes of the archbishops and bishops for the last seven years. (hear, hear.) The see of Canterbury had a gross income in the last seven years of 210,834/. ; York, 100,468/.; Lon don, 123,9911.; Durham, 207,5621.; Winchester, 101,1301.; in fact, without enumerating all the sees, he mi ght say that the result of the whole was a gross income in seven years of 1,535,9761. (Hear, bear.) The net income was 1,314,170/. ; and the average on seven years gave each see a net income of 192,0211. (Hear, hear.) But that was only the archiepiscopal and episcopal property. The fines upon leases were calculated to amount in seven years—leases on lives and terms of years—to 636,3871. Now he held when fines were taken on leases the church was robbed of a certain amount of property. (Hear, hear.) The Bishop of Winchester alone was shown to have received 20,000/. in fines in the last year. Some years ago it had been deter mined that, when the sees should lapse a septennial return should be made, cod that the bishops should have fixed in comes, ranging trout 4,200/. to 15,0001. a year. It was also arranged that each bishop on entering a see where the income was grcatet than 15,0001. should pay over the surplus to the ecelutiestical commissioners, and cases where the see did not yield 4,2011. r year, the deficit should be paid by the CUMUlitstsiOntral. (hear, bear.) He (Sir B. Hall) was aware that whilst that project was in progress many of the laity protested &of:kind an option being given to ilia usogis would certain i t dt u t i n eccle sias t i c al nt commis sioner, the p rt b y i s o h; o fa h that th u rtchu; and alas that many e aving d t~cy i i h Ho e uel w r: h i ol .B e li p ot ro th 4 , :a r: ap y i.p in ay r i.4 es to ts ) :d b.ti w ry it wi l b i ive up ould totnhhccuyi occurred er h roma ur dd theiri oniisi t up theirkr ecee,syri hest t n ia. olgthey ac o w l ; 6 S :ur oi ld of t man them age ir Te t ewh eh thei u them selvese c r i s must at Ipd n n rt s a ho .e y e e ul i ar st , d h i a i r v . e .6 , 4 2.:s7l:: e . T a a r h s e y r lieli 6 . Ived 1 whilst iu 7av :l e d , !i ll y , j e w: i i r o t s h p :4 f e ,soo N b o a r / d . . f l B. l. l .7 ot h ,a e 4 a otot te i r n , sevenanw ie cl h, Salisbury,ir years h ith 5 e thei rece ived i result t ps r i cc iu l9 ; v 3 a e 7 d l l e l ) * a u e n i t r h: e:ssa sum o f or 28,2671. more they were entitled to re ceive. (Hear, hear.) Now if other minions were to commit each acts u those, it would be at that of the church building commission, solicited on every aide by private societies fur his presence and support; there is a demand upon his thoughts, his time, and strength, fur business and labour, which no human strength could adequately supply. In order to form an estimate of the charge which is imposed upon some of the bishops, let us take the Bishop of Winchester's diocese, comprising, with the Channel Islands, a population of 937,682; clergy, 821; benefices, 6:31 ; and area, 1,493,030 acres: the Bishop of Lacier, population, 874,739 ; clergy, 833; benefices, 632; area, 2,491,220 acres. Norwich—population, 721,737; clergy, 1,103; benefices, 911; area, 2,211,060 acres. Lin coln—population, 612,512; clergy, 865; benefices, 793; area, 2,189,630 acres. Lichfield—population, 782,721; clergy, 761; benefices, 618; area, 1,399,170 acres. It would be very easy, sir, to proceed to a similar comparison with all' the dioceses. It would be easy, also, to enlarge upon the in creased blessings which are found practically to result from any increase in an episcopate, narrowing their separate operations and enlarging their united action. In the cola uses it is found to result iu a greatly increased number of clergy ; in this country we should feel it, doubtless, in a far higher degree. This may be exemplified by a statement which has been put into my hand showing what has been done in the diocese of Ripon since it was separated from York. Tho statement proceeds to say—" Showing an increase of about 100 additional churches and chapels, 130 additional clergymen, and .13 additional parsonage houses in about 11 years, there have been also 13 churches entirely rebuilt from the ground, with such an alteration of sites as to require fresh consecration. Among these are the parish churches of Leeds and Keighley. The additional accommodation secured by rebuilding these 13 churches exceeds 4,000 sit.- Cur, and may be reckoned equal to 3 new churches. I ham no calculation of the additional sittings secured by enlarge ment of edging churches, where fresh consecration has not been required. but 1 have clearly ascertained that the general increase of church accommodation in the diocese more than meets the increase of population, and is to a slight degree gaining upon the arrears existing when the ilioceee was financd. These results are attributable to the esta ' blishment, in the year 1838, of the Ripon Diocesan Church Building Society, which has spent from its own funds in aid of the building and endowment of churches and the erection of parsonage houses more than 30.31001. to meet a total outlay of 300,000/., provided partly by grants from , other societies, but principally from private contributions. ' 'This is exclusive of ut least 90,0001. more spent in the erce- Con, and, in some cases endowment also, of 17 churches and chapels, solely at the cost of private individuals or of mercantile firms. I have no accurate calculation of the ' additional facilities for the education of the poet in the dioceses since 1836 ; but from an estimate which I made in 1817, and which 1 published in my charge of that yeas it appeared that during the previous 10 years we were gaining iu this department, alto on the increase of popula tion in the dioceses, and Ido not doubt that the same is Otill true. The secretary of the National Society informs me that the grants since 1816 to the diocese of Ripon for school perpows have been 21,3351. ; the outlay connected with this must have amounted to considerably above 100,0001. Whence it appears that since the year 1836 there has been expended for church purposes in the diocese of Ripon a sum not far short of 600,0001." But, above all, the extension of the episcopate would be felt by the clergy themselves. The clans of bishops which I should like to see introduced into the church need not be possessed of any seat in the legislature ; it must be necessary that the ecclesiastical body should be represented by some of the bishops in parliament, but it seed not be by all ; and were this increase thus effected, we might then hope to see the ancient type of a bishop in the March, a pastor among pastors, 'violas sneer pares, one who constant communication and residence among his dergy might diffuse over them the same blessings which they diffused over their Hock,. I very well remember, sir, the eloquent description given of a bishop by my hon. friend the member fur Cockermouth (Mr. Rona:tan). Ile said,— .In the earlier days of the church the bishop's dwelling was in the cathedral city there slid he live the centre et the religious life around him. The leaders of the Christian religion, the depositaries of the fire, the faith, the fervour that animated men warring through this world to an eternity which it was their commission to preach. The history of those from whom the dike had come down was familiar to them all. Their images were painted in colours that could never fade. Their ardent enthusiasm, their unsliriaking self-sacrifice, their heroic endurance of every toil and every suffering, and their utter forgetfulness of worldly interest, and worldly advancement, and worldly good of every kind, when compared with the magnitude of those higher interests to which their noble soul owed devotion." In this description, sir, we must all most fully concur. This alone can raise the usefulness of the episcopate—this alone can be effected by increasing their numbers. The effect of that increase would not be, as has been supposed by some, to increase the dimensions of a body without at the same time giving it a different eimmateriatic from that which, through adverse circum stantiates has rendered some of its offices now too secular ; Met the of of it would be this, as has been described Lop Latimer, whose words were quoted by the of Oxford Did they remember," said he, " the matiments of Latimer, that honest-hearted man, who spore in his strong Saxon dialect words to which all England as one man responded ? That venerated man said that the bishops by their fewness were raised to such a height above the people as had deprived them of the power of exercising those functions which were inherent in their office; and the first measure of reform which ought to be carried was one for giving a great increase to the number of those bishops." The hon. member then went on to say that as he had be fore observed, the incomes of the deans could be meet bene ficially applied to the extension of bishoprics ' the bishops in sonic cases being selected from existing deans ; there might, for example, be infinite good effected by the adop tion of this plan in the case of Westminster. In other eases, the bishop might act as dean within his own diocese, which would secure his residence there for, at all events, a good portion of the year, while the income of th e d ean would go to establish a new bishopric elsewhere. As a means of effecting the proposed extension of benefices, the commissioners recommended that of the 777 benefices now in the patronage of the Lord Chancellor, all those under 2001. per annum—in number 300--ahould be sold, and the proceeds applied to the endowment of new benefices. He also recommended that a certain number of the re maining 477 livings in the gift of the Lord Chancellor should be sold, in like manner, and the proceeda applied sl is s i n e , and the calculation was, that the gm Imo would be amply sufficient, with the r isi dorisas which might be confidently expected in WWII the 600 churches which wore required, the east of which was 2,160,0001. There was no- INN saw fa this proposition ; for the noble lord now at drew, additions to the clause, with the view of extending its operation to Ireland, and Claus., 1, 2. and 3 were agreed to. After some discussion, Clauses up to clause b inclusive, with some slight aisend m.:nu, were agreed to. Clause 9 was struck out. On clause Id, Sir G. GREY moved an amendment, providing that the • county court judges should not receive fees. Mr. FITZROY objected to the manner in which they' were treating the county court judges. They were throw . ing on them extra business without providing them with adequate remuneration, thus rendering the offices such as men of ability would not retain. They had dealt quite in a different way with the commissioners in bankruptcy. Sir O. GREY said he had been quite misunderstood by the hon. member (Mr. Fitzroy). What ho (Sir George Grey) meant was that the additional remuneration should not he provided in the shape of fees, but in the shape of additional salary. Ile proposed also to substitute 1,1100/. as the maximum, in place of 1,2001., but it was not to be consi dered that alt the judges were to be paid OR the highest scale. Mr. FITZROY would be quite satisfied with the ar rangement, a. stated by the right hon. baronet. Mr. SLAN EY paid a high compliment to the hon. mem ber (Mr. Fitzroy) for his praiseworthy and persevering effort in legislation connected with the county courts. Clause 10, as amended, was agreed to. Clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, and 14, were struck out. (31atTsc14was postponed. Clauses 17 and lb were agreed to. Cisme 19 was struck out. Clause 20, atter hang slightly amended, was agreed to. Clause 21 wAs struck out. Clause 22 was agreed to. Mr. M'C CLLAGII said he had intended to propose a new clause, but as the Attorney-General had objected that it did not come within the preamble of the hill, and did not relate to county courts, he would not press its adoption. Mr. Mailings moved a new clause, which was opposed by the Attorney-General, and, after a few words from Mr. N Smith, withdrawn. Mr.MULLINGS slid he hail another clause to propose. The County Court Judges wee: at present obliged to sit every month during the rear, and he proposed to allow them a mouth, during which They would be released from their duties. lie begged to propose— That it shall be octal for the judge of any County °sort, upon one calendar math's porton. note, thereof, to be attired in the whoa of emelt coon, to direct, that foe the rpm of one calendar mouth, to commence tot c alter than the 10th day of August, and to terminate not later than the 21th day of October in any a e tr, the office ass& court shall be open for receiving money and irealost exec...Uwe. only. Sir O. GREY did not see the necessity of such a clause, considering that the County Court Judges had the power of appointing a deputy, and there were always plenty of qua lified deputies to he found. if the courts were shut up for a month during the course of the year, he was afraid it would detract materially from their value. Mr. MCLLINGS withdrew the clause in the meantime, hut stated that he would bring up a similar clause on some future stag, of the bill. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the following clause: . . Anil wherene, by an set passed in the tenth year of the reign of her present Majesty, intitialed, arc., It was enacted that no person Ph iuld be entitled to ~p,iear toe any other party to en, proceeding in any of the sail court., " onlets he be an attorney of one of her alajesty'a superior courts of record, or a barrister-at-law instnicted by such at torney en b..hal of tee putt', or by leave of the jo tge, any other per son allowed by the judge to appear instead of such party ; but that ao turrister, Moran, or other perran, except by !care of the judge, should be estit!,l to be heard to argue any gm soon as counsel fur any other person in any proceeding in any court holden under th it aat," be it enacted, that the said provision shall not be deemed or eon. *trued to app . y to any caw within the juriedietion goon to the said courts by present Act, or by any other act, other than the abase pat y recited a-t; en 4 tae: in all cases in which Jurisdiction u given to the said courts by the present act, or by any other act other than the above p ugly rented act, banisters-at-Lis and attorney shall bare and espy such rights and privileges as have been hidierto used and esenised by them rupee:ice, in the superior courts of Comma law at W. atmiaster. 4, Atter some discussion, the clause was agreed to—the lat ter portion beginning with the words, " and that in all eases, - being struck out. 'the house then resumed, the bill was reported, and ordered to bo reprinted with the amendments; and wan re-committed till Tuesday next at 12 o'clock. ECCLESIASTICAL PROPERTY VALUATION (IRELAND) BILL. Thi ,, hill passed through committee. The house adjourned at a quarter put two till five o'clock. Tic house re-stumbled at 5 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. WARKWOUTII HARBOUR DOCK COMPANY BILL. Thisbill was read a thirdtTiMT PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tor. TRUCK SV,TEM.—By Mr. C. P. VILLIERS, from South Stalfor,Lhire, numerously signed, cuinplainiug that the law against truck is evaded. Itenetrto' tar AII,IAMENTS.—By Mr. STANFIELD, from Huddersfield, praying the house to adopt means foe the reduction of armament throughout Europe. Pot - rat:v. L utr.i.s.—By Lord NAAS, from Mr. Henry Archer, the patentee of u machine for perforating postage labels, complaining that injustice had been done to him by the Commissioners of Excise, who haul ordered two of his machines and after he had perfected them bud offered him only 20d. as a reward fur his invention and 300/. fur the 'outlines, though they had cost him 2001. in wages alone, and praying an inquiry. TILE DCTY ON HOPS. Mr. Fllli‘‘ N gave notice th.tt wt the 29th inst. he should move for leave to bring is a bill tor the total repeal of the excise duty on hops. ADULTERATION OF EXCISEABLE ARTICLES. Mr. O. BERKELEY gave notice of his intention to more for leave to bring in a ►ill, prohibiting prosecutions for the adulterating exeiscable articles, so as to place them on the saran (outing as coffee. BRIf ISII GUIANA. Mr. HAWES, itT;nsweriollr.ii: lk rkeley, said several commissioners were appointed in Guiana. but not by the frovernment, to inquire into the state and condition of the 161111 d. The commissioners were appointed by the combined court, in which the government had not am tjority. They made a report of considerable length, and it was mule so far back no June twelvemonth. It was printed at length in the colonial and other pa n. TILE CASE OF TILE BOY SMOTHERED IN A FLUE NEAR, LEEDS. Mr. BASS Lad in the public papers there was an ac count of tha death of a child is a flue near Luisa.. It ap peared the child was subjected to great cruelty. lle wished ' to know if the right hon. gentleman the Secretary of State for the Ilona,' Department had any information on the subject ? There appeared to he a strong impression that the act of 1511) to prevent cruelty of this kind was itlOper.t. tire. Sir G. GREY said he had no information with regard to the caw other than what was stated in the newspapers. Ac cording to the letter from the coroner there 1/3.1 not sun'. cient evidence of the master's knowledge to inculpate him. The penalty fur makin; a child go up a Hue was 101., one half of which was given to the informer, .0 that infractions of the law might easily be punished. Ile could not say that the act was inoperative. In London, at all events, and in other large towns, it was operative. srutituAL DESTITUTION IN ENGLAND AND WALES. _ . _ The Marquis of TILANDFOIIII moved the resolution of which he bail given notice—" That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be gra ciously pleased to take into her consideration the state of spiritual destitution existing throughout England and Wale*: with a view that her Majesty may be pleased to direct the adoption of such measures as she may deem ex- pedient, for affording more elficieut relief to the spiritual wants of the people, and for an extension of the parochial system correspond ing to the growth of a rapidly increasing population by the help which may bas drawn from the re sources of the established church itself." lle adverted, in the outset, to a speech of the late Sir R. Peel, in 1843, when bringing on his measure on church ex• tension. lie said Above all the advantage that 1 antici pate is that by this proceeding I shall place the church of En,claud in a favourable light before the people of this I Illnintfy, and conciliate towards it that favour and affection Se which I believe it to be so justly entitled. To lay the gennilations of extended usefulness these foundations must be widened. It is in vain that you have splendid cathedrals and bishops highly endowed—in vain you have dignitaries sad splendid edifices, it you fail to imps.* upon the people the conviction that great practical advantages are to be derived from them—unless in populous districts yea Ming the ministrations of the church within the reach if the people it is in vain that you support its dignitaries, Ise the polished courts of the temple will not be secure I Maw you widen the basis on which they rest. Here is re point in which the church of England is wanting at must ; her parochial constitution was made in other times 1 sad limited to other states of the vople. You must divide parishes and bring ministers into them, and you will add at ewe to the respectability, to the influence, to the prosperity of the church by applying her present property to streugthen her position and increase her influence." It is upon this au thority, and keeping this scheme in view (said the noble mar quis) that I am desirous of proceeding. Sir, an address has I been presented to her Majesty, which is the subject of my I present remarks, and is one which generally embodies this very thing; it presents us with statements founded u those two reports of commissioners appointed by her upon those two reports of commissioners appointed by her Majesty for inquiring into episcopal and capitular revenues, and for the practicability of the subdivision of parishes ; these, sir, arc most useful reports, to which I am very glad to draw the attention of the house ; for, occurring nearly as they do together, they seem admirabij adapted one to the other, for, while one discloses the ers , the other points oat the remedy. With regard to the flrstripoint, either there Is • want, or there is not; if there ts not, we have yam in vain; but if there be, how mighty is the megassibility which rests with the legislature of removing the obstacles which still impede the free and extended opt.. Wien of the established church in all her pastoral caps- MM. I read in the Wrest, "It has been ascertained by pal Majesty's Ossiminitaiss appointed to inquire into the pusticability end asat subbviding all densely peopled in Ensiled ma Wolfe, that there is a pressing for the ersadia of NO new churches, which should liaison eases have pebble melsoed to them, and these of Maws involve t a ti s zsiglass‘ elf one clergyman at least to Mai 600 11111111fte t therefore, with as many attnieed MM. Mae first great want towards Abeamgessidol em." Now, air, in the Sea IlbaL P bowl the arguments C a = bit Olo s Ti r e b tkie memos vpia tide passage from M modior il = re ettirtlo .• The oft mile flaw ion Sir lolleinty la Ito mew o MI.. luirelais sa d romi mpuirmaims., termed robbery of • the funds. (Ikar, hear.) If a sense of their duties, that such people were to he made to emicanarityootakkimitgorewtatndithdenionteombelemgto hirn to (Hear s hear.) assigned b t aiev c e hu th ri s h tthe ( y u w e e a re r, not the m li a e ste n rs ot h f u e t ani the e n to ni th es e te p r i s ,ic o o f There were bishops who, having speculated in their sees , w i t h which he was best acquainted, and if a n y and being disappointed, had certain sums to pay over to th e one wished to see churches destitute, neglected, ecclesiastical commissioners. He found the see of York and a disgrace to ceeleeisietical administration, he had . owed to the commissioners 2,3171. ; St. Asaph's, 1,6611. ; only to go to St. David's diocese. The bi s h o pric of tit. Bath and Wells, 3,4951 ., which had been paid ; and Ely, David's was one of the new foundations. The income was 9,2121., making in all due from three bishops to the come fi xed at 4,500! . p er annum. The bisho p received 1,609 /. missieiers no less than 11,2'251. And if any person would per annum from Ecclesiastical Commissioners, but he re took at the returns they would he astonished to see how any coved 1,000/. more than he was entitled to. All kiuds of secretary' of the of income so minute as 2 /. 31 . 4 d. for pensions , and 121. I ls. gentlemen could :suffer themselves to be dunned in the de ductions were made. All rates and taxes and collection manner these bishops had been by the sec Eccleeeistical Commissioners. (" Hear, hear," and laugh- fee stipends were deducted. The bishop was both dean and ter.) What with six bishops taking some 28,000/. per year I treasurer of the Collegiate church of Brecon at 7,21 . 31. 10s. more than they were entitled to, and the other bishop re - o per annum It was the duty of the dean to pres ide ovee fusing to pay what they legally should pay, some 14,0001., 1, the church, and to keep the fabric in repair. lie would show there was some 40,0001. due to the Ecclesiastical Commis- I how that had been performed by reading an extract from shiners which ought to be in use, and employed in increas- the work of Mr. Jesse, who had been employed under the ing the small livings of the lesser clergy, particularly in goverumeut for several year, and who had discharged his %Vales, where they were miserably salancd. (Hear, hear.) duties so well, that a puce of plate was presented to him would next conic to the large ones. In May , 1837, it had baronet here read an extract from the work referred to from He had shown the cases of six bishops of small sees; and he on his resigning his situation , which lie lately did. The hon. been decided by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, the which it appeared that the church was in a most dilapidattd bishops of London and SI , inchester should be fixed respec- derived considerable income' from it . 'Would the Roma holies suffer these things? (Hear, hear.) Would they bishops being consenting parties, that the incomes of future a nd ruinous state, althou g h fifte• n prebendaries had tively at 10,0001. and 7,0001. a year. Now, it was remark- cat able that there was not a single instance of any of the allow a g reat and royal foundation t h us go to wreck ? or bishops giving up anything for the benefit of the church. rather w ould the y not endeavour to increase and extend i ts (Hear, hear.) These gentlemen, the Bishops of London benefits. (Hear, hear.) It was no wonder when the bishop and Winchester, assented to the arrangement that their of Rome sawthese things going on in St. David successors should have 10,0001. and 7,0001. a year respec- or Minevia, that lie romantic tively. Now, if the income were sufficient for their to preside over it. (Hear , hear.) 11/ii. it to be Successor, sure but Inv ' teed Each bishop had also two residences-a town and a whitlow a Roman catholic place of worship should ha v e surely it ought to be sufficient th ems elves. wondered that in front of its for should have; appointed a bishop of their incomes. In 1 years arisen admirable in design and well calculated to meet tho country one-irrespective j the Bishop of London should have received 140,0001., but wi-lies of the inhabitants of the district. The lion. baronet he had received e 57,000/. (Hear, hear.) The Bishop of then read an extract from the report of the Commissioners Winchester should have received 98,001.11. in 14 years, and who inquired into the state of education in Wales, to show had received 151,166/. (Hear, hear.) So that these two how much the parish churches had been neglected. But attend to these matters. He had 200,0001. more than they themselves considered sufficient for not of the bishop to prelates , had taken in 14 years between 100,000 !. and it mi g ht be said that it was the duty of the archdeacon, and their maintenance. (Hear, hear.) It might be said they lately asked an archdeacon why he did not do so. And the were bishops of the old foundation, and as such the new answer was, that the bishop forbade it. In North income was not to apply to them, it being applicable only Wales, where some time ago it was difficult to after the voidance of the see. That was perfectly true find a Roman catholic, that religion was rami according to act of parliament. But when they considered tying the entire district. If he were not afraid of the nature of the office held by a bishop, and also that the wearying the house, he could go on multiply- Bishop of London was always seeking money for church ing abuses which existed in his church. Persons purposes, it would be more setiefactory did he confine might think that it was a satisfaction to him lii:uself to the appointed income. (Hear, hear.) Cu- to show up these abuses. But he could assure the house der the new foundation of 1836 the Bishop of Durham that it was with the greatest pain he did so. lie hail been was appoiuted at 8,0001. a year. In 11 years he should at great pain- to ',Nei up these abuses, and nothing would have received 112,000/., instead of which he bail received have induced hint to spend his time and labour on the volt -191,648/. So that taken in connexion with the Bishops of jcct but the hope that he would contribute to remedy some London and Winchester, these three prelate, in 11 years, had of these abuses. (Hear, hear.) A fair question had deprived the church of upwards of a quarter of a million of been put ; it was this : You are ready to state money. (Hear, hear.) These were facts that could not be abuses, but what is the remedy you propose ? lie (Sir B. got over, because they were contained in the report of the Hall) could not base looked over these things session after Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and certified as correct by the session without endeavouring to apply his mind and under bishops themselves. (Hear, hear.) Now, it might be standing to find some remedy for these gross, and lie would apposite to look at the manner in which the duties were add deliberately followed-up abuses. (Hear, hear.) Now performed in reference to the sums paid ; because it his plan was this-Ile would say Take the whole of tho was necessary to make the people believe the clergy were property ,of the archbishops cud bishops, deans and doing their duty in their respective localities. (Hear, hear.) chapter, whether sole or aggregate, and let tho lie would go through four dioceses in different parts of working clergy have a good and proper income. (Hear, England. lie would begin with the diocese of Ely ; hear.) The Archbishop of Canterbury had an income of first, take the parish of Wisbeach, which adjoined the 15,0e11. a year, with two palaces-an income which many town, and it furnished a good example of what was re- pettv sovereigns did not possess . Well, he woul 1 say, let quired to be done before the people were called on to sub - h im have the same income as the prime minister of tho scribe largely in order to found new churches. Of Wis- crown. (Hear, hear.) His noble friend had very truly beach the Rev. li. Fardcll was vicar; value of living, observed, that the secularities of the bishops dinn- Wiebeach, St. l'eter's 1,3111. 10e.; St. Mary's, 8791. ; nished very: much' the [`fling of their spiritual total, '2,190!. 10e. Abse nt , about six months in the year. functions. Ile quite concurred in that opinion ; his is also prebendary of Ely, 7001. ; and vicar of Waterbeach, remeilv therefore would be to send them out of the House 5301.; total, 3,3901. 10e. Of Wisbeach, St. Mary's, the of Lords, and let them attend to their dioceses. (Cheers.) population was 1,600; no resident clergyman. And these He would give between two and three thousand a year to he obtained because he was sou-in-law to Bishop Sparkes. those who had the superintendence of the ecclesiastical SBear, hear.) Walsoken : Rev. J. Black, rector, non-resi- body, and he would raise the position of the miner clergy. ent, value, 1,2931. Its. 4d. Lemiugton : Mr. Sparkes, He would get rid of such miserable examples of ceelesiasti rector, non-resident; value, 2,099/. ; canon of Ely, 7001.; cal poverty as were exhibited by clergymen in his own rector of Gunthorpe, 534/. • total, 3,333/. ; son of a former country, who were obliged to live on from 25/. to 301. a bishop. Emneth : Rev. Mr. Jackson, rector, non-resident; year, said who had to walk sor 6 or 7, and sometimes value, 2,990!.; prebendary of Christ Church, Brecon. 8 miles to perform the services of the church, whilst Syd. St. Giles's: Rev. Mr. Watson, rector, nun-resident; those who received the large incomes lived at a great dis value, 1,2001. ; this gentleman resides in Germany, and Liner from what should be the scene of their labours. pays his curate only 1201. per annum: population, 900, very (Cheers.) There were 353 churches in Wake, and only few of whom attend the church. Syd. St. Mary's : Rev. 451 services; whilst in some there were no services at aIL Mr. Bouverie, rector, non-resident; value, 1,200/.• are- Let them, therefore ' pay the working clergyman and bend of Liucoln, 1,0 00 1.; rector of Woulbrailing, ; get rid of the ab sentee incumbent, who slid nothing, total, 2,3271. Five clergymen receiving 11,113/. Ile. -Id., and pocketed the money. Ile would have no cler not doing any duty ; auir I clergyman receiving 3,3901. 10e., gyman receive less than '2OO/. a year, and none receive more and doing duty when it suited his convenience. (Hear.) than 5001. or 600/. a year. (Cheers.) And as to church exten- Was not this a scandal to the church ? (Hear, sion, he believed that within the church itself there were hear.) The Bishop of Rochester was appointed in 1829. ample means not only of promoting that object but of en lie held the deanery of Worcester and some other Mine- tirely getting rid of church rates, which were prosluctivc of tires, which lie resigned in 1016 to receive a stipulated in- so much dissension and were so objectionable in them come of 4,5001. per annum, by which he gained considerably. selves. liis object would he, in fart, to make the church lie received, according to his own return e s,37o/. One of his efficient and useful to the community, so that the duties was to hold triennial visitations of the cathedral, to people could respect it, so as to make dissent less popular, correct abuses, and to see that the statutes were observed. and Rome less rampant. His object was to make the church Now he (Sir B. Ilan) made inquiry on this point, and the of which he was a member a blessing to the country at result was that the bishop had not made one of these cache- large. (near, hear.) But if there were persons in tho deal visitations. lie not only ought to do this, but he hail church who received enormous incomes, whilst the infe• sworn to do so. And when he made a speech in another rise clergy were in such wretchedness-if there were such place on the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, the reason he a want of discipline that a bishop could one thy sanction the waived for not voting for it was that he had taken a cer- acts of a clergyman, and the next desire him to be turned tain oath. lie seldom or ever preached in the cattle- omit, whilst lie had not the courage to proceed against him; dad, except on Easter day last. (Hear, hear.) if a bishop could one day consecrate a cram, and the next Was it likely that the people would subscri be their order its removal-if a bishop could one day say that money for the building of new churches if these flowers were not to be used at the altar, and the next say things were known. (Hear, hear.) Ile might be asked they might, if they were not used in profusion ; why, if ho were a friend of the church, he made public it a bishop said one doe that a clergyman these things ? iiis only answer was this-that they lived might preach in a white surplice, and ou tho in an age when there was no chance of a remedy, except next that he must do it in a black one ; when they Saw this by bringing forward these matters before the public. want of discipline, this extortion, this want of principle, Ile brought them forward in the hope that he might- and he would add this system of peculation as regarded however humbly and ineffectually-aid in putting au end church property, how could they expect to WC the church to these things, and that one day sir other he might be able respected or the people pressing forward in favour of church to feel that by throwing up these abuses he had helped some- extension ? (Cheers.) what to abolish these monstrosities. (Cheers.) Let them After a few words from Mr. MoOtels in vindication of the now see how matters were conducted by the whole capitular Bishop of St. David's, body : The dean preached twelve times from December 1 Mr. A. B. HOPE doubted that any good could result to April 1, and attended service four times ; his income from multiplying churches, and suggested that the exist was 1,1001 per annum. Ouo canon preached twelve times ing edifices would suffice if additional services were per in two years ; has a residence, with income of 6801. Another formed in them at different periods of the day. The division canon preached twice last December, and not since • ho of parishes would produce serious evils. What was wanted takes income of suspended canonry, 7801. ; vicar of Chad- was an increase in the staff of curates for the present ham, with a population of 16,000, and three villages in churches. Objecting to the schemes for throwing several Dorsetaiire. Another canon has not been in Rochester for hundred advowsons, now under the control of the Lord three years, and has sold Wall his goods and gone oft'. Up Chancellor, into the market, and for creating a series of to the month of June, 1851-up to yesterday-no canon " curate" bishops out of the present deans, he nevertheless preached on any day, not even Whit Sunday, with the confessed the necessity of enlarging the ep iscopate, and con exception of Ascension Day. (Hear, hear.) Minor canons veiling the hierarchy into a body of working bishops, did all the work, with no additional pay ; two of them got where aIS should be equal in dignity, and, to a great extent, 1501. per annum, the others 301. (Hear, hear.) lit a few in revenue also. Important questions were now afloat con deys the cathedral will probably be closed, and then they mailing religious faith and practice ; aid to settl e these tho might go and enjoy themselves as they generally did. lion. member suggested the convocation of a kind of cede (Hear, bear.) The bishop receives from 5,0001. to 6,0001. a siastical parliament, where bishops, clergy, and laity might year ,• the dean, 1,100/. ; the Clllloa2 6001 each, and 1001., represent the three political estates of the realm. 3,5001. ; making a total of 10 , 9001. The Beau and Sir G. GREY said he had listened with great satisfaction five cumin hold additional incomes to the amount of to the speech of the noble lord (the Marquis of Bluntlford), 7,7401. ; total, 17,610/. per annum. (Hear, hear.) the tone of whose observations could leave no doubt as to As he had said before, the see of Rochester had become his earnestness and sincerity in the promotion of a most im very notorious. A fund had been left for the support of six portant object. But before the house agreed to this address, old bedesmen. They were to receive 401. ayear each, but It became them to inquire what specific measure. if any, it there was no bodesman in Rochester since 1,90, the last of pledged them to adopt. (Hear, hear.) The first objection them being an old man named Thomas Featherstone. The which occurred to him on reading the address was, that it 2,4001. that should have gone to the support of six Poor was indefinite and vague. lie thought it undesir men was taken up by the chapter, (Hear, hear.) The able to address the crown again in vague and gene , chapter clerk till lately went through the farce of calling rat terms, unless some specific measure could be adopted out the names of these men. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) by the crown or by parliament, at the suggestion of tho He regularly called out, "Thomas Featherstone, come for- crown, tending to promote the object iu view. The noble ward and receive your annuity"-(laughter)-" John lord began by alluding to the spiritual destitution which Smith, come forward and receive your annuity." (Re- undeniably existed among a large portion of the population. newed laughter.) Yet these abominable impositions, for After making the most liberel allowance fur all the means he could call them no less-(hear, hear)-went on under of spiritual instruction in this country, they must come to the eye of the dean and canons, although they knew the conclusion that there were densely-peopled districts full well that these men were in their coffins for which were inadequately provided with • the means of reli ght, years. (Hear.) In consequence of the exposure pious instruction, whether within or without the pale of the which had been made by the return which had been pre- Established Church. But the question was, whether per muted at his instance to the house, and therefore he might liarnent could apply any specific remedy for the evil. take credit for having done some good-(hear, hear)- He admitted the vast importance of the object, new appointments of six deserving poor persons, from 65 even in reference to the general good conduct of to . 75 years of age, one of whom fought in Lord llovre's ac- the population, and that no exertion for its attainment don in 1791, and another at Waterloo, were made. (Hear, could be too great, provided it was made with discretion, hear.) A payment of I/. 10s. 10d. was made a few days ago and in the right direction. The first means by which the to some of these men, and he was sure the house would noble lord proposed to remedy the evil was an improved scarcely believe it-the chapter clerk had made a deduction management of church property, so as to make it available of 10s. from each as a fee-(hear, hear)-although no de- for the spiritual wants of the people. They must nll feel auctions hail been made in the clerical incomes. (Hear, that there was a large amount et property vested in the hear.) The corporation had been receiving this money for church which did not now produce what it might produce if 50 or 60 years, and when they did give it they stopped 30 properly managed. But, in dealing with the motion, they per cent. from the incomes of these poor persons. Were they must consider what had already been done towards the ac so ready to give 3 per cent. of their own incomes when his complishment of the object. The object of establishing the right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer asked ecclesiastical commission in 1431 was identical with them for the income tax ? (Hear, hear.) Then there:was an that of the noble lord, namely, to transfer rove hospital in the diocese of Rochester, of which the dean had nues from those who did not perform corresponding taken the income to himself. In one year he received duties to channels iu which they might be rendered more 3,000/. for fines, and it was only in consequence of the ex- available for the cure of souls, and much had been done posurc which had taken place that a s top had been put to towards the accomplishment of that object. Following on k d ritual parts this mode of misusing the charity. (Hear, hear.) It was that commission was what was termed Sir Robert Peers called the Lepers Hospital, but a foul moral leprosy had Act, under which money was borrowed from the commis stepped in ch t a o r u it l y a . it (Hear, hear.) expects that th l! o t f ur t h o e s. in which return m most movednee d e the r b increase a s right of hon. subscribe stepped in and pocketed the money which was intended sooners of Queen Anne's bounty for the benefit of those o w pi o e uld wou as i t ow the ke pe subscribe their money for new churches when they saw gentleman the member for Wilts (Mr. S. Herbert), it apt these abominations. (Hear, hear). It was from a sense of peered that the aggregate amount of augmentations for the shame and disgust which such conduct was calculated spiritual purposes derived from capitular estates and to inspire, that he felt bound to show up these proceedings under Sir Robert Peel's Act was above 75,000/. per 41e the deans and chapters, and bishops of his church, and annum, to which were to be added grants by who ought to be the ministers of God. (Hear, hear.) lie the ecclesiastical commissioners for church extension. A new came to the see of London, which he would lightly commission appointed to inquire into the mode of sub pus over. There were seven prebends attached to St. dividing large parishes had prepared the draft of a bill for Paul. The duties they had to perform were to preach in giving effect to its recommendations. That had been turn-that was to say, twice a year each. That was the duty recently brought before the house, and the debate on tho they had to perform, but what had become of the property second reading was adjourned. A bill had been introduced of St. Paul's, or, as it ought to be called, the property of the into the other house to remedy the undoubted evils with re- Church? Gone. (Hear, hear.) He was the representa- gard to fines on the renewal of leases. That bill had been Live of the parish of St. Pancras, in which they had property referred to a select committee, and he must candidly confess that was rated to the relief of the poor at 208,000/. But that he shared in the doubts which had been expressed the canons had entered into an agreement by which the whether it would be passed in the present session. (Hear.) church was robbed to the whole of that amount with the The equitable rights of leesees were mvolved,and that mecum exception of 3001. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Goulburn.) stance would create delay. The only other means to which He was glad to hear that the right hon. gentleman cheered, the noble lord looked for the accomplishment of his object fir it was an admission from one of the ecclesiastical corn- was the sale of the Chancellor's livings, with the view of ntissioners that the case was • very bad one• He contended raising a fund for the erection of new churches. Now on it was a robbery of the church for its dignitaries to lease that point he would first remark that the proposal ought to away the property of the church and put the heavy have been brought before the house clearly and distinctly, fines which they received for so doing in their own pockets. in order that it might have been argued on its own merits, (Hear, hear.) The bishops should be contented with the and not as part of an address which was very general in its revenues of their own sees, and should not take fines in ad- terms. Looking to the declaration of the commissioners dition for giving leases of church property. (Hear, hear.) that the whole of these livings should be put up to public A short time since his noble friend the Earl of Carlisle, auction, he thought there was great force first, in the objcc brought in a bill for the purpose of doing away with the tion that the scheme would take away a large share of re fines on leases of church property. But that bill was re- sputibility from the crown ; and secondly, in the objection ceived with the greatest opposition by those who received that in the present state of the church it was probable those fines. (Hear, hear.) He doubted if they would see that the two parties would be found to bid against each any more of that bill in the present session. (Hear.) It other. The erection of 600 churches would require a sum was only by exposures of this kind, and by . calling the not exceeding 2,000,000/. The aggregate annual value of attention of the public to the abuses that existed in the the livings in the gift of the Chancellor was nearly 300,0001., administration of church property it was only by bringing and the exposing of them to public auction, or to private forward tltesu gross cases, and by shaming them into • lager, Which would be the MU in effect, would be at- 1 i I