The Express. — London, England, 1848-08-15 00:00:00

1 MYER AL I'ARLIAMEA . lIOUSH OF I.Ok/S.—Mosait. AVO. . The LOAD CHANCIILLO a R (took his sea t 14 at 5 O'Cleek. PRIVATE BUSINESS. THIRD READING.--Manchester. Bunton, Matlock, and Midlands Junction Railway (deviation and Munch) Bill. ruttLic nusoisee. SECOND READINGS.•- Chancery Proceedings fader Regulation ; Proclamations on Facis court of Common Mem ; Churehre; Turn pike Roar. (Ireland, ; Coesubulary Force (Ireland); Pailienientary Elmore: Rile. L'OMMITFEEti. -Reproductive Lean Fund Ituties (Irelend Unlawitil Oath , Acts (Ireland) ,00ntan unn es and ngS s ansodnistit); ); Ballots guspemmot ; Itißa THIRD RE,LUINGS.-EcClCldadf ; Loan S o cieties ; Highway Ratce ; Bankropts' BUM COMMONS' AMENDMENTS TO BE CONSIDERED. -Trustees' Relief (Ireland) Bid. PETITIONs.-By the Earl of LUCAN, boos the county of Mayo, and several tither ablates In Jratual, on the subject of the Insh poor lama. ROYAL ASSENT. The royal usent was gifted by commission to the follow ing bills : Ase.gstment of Ecclesiastical Districts; Land.Taz 03mmireioners' Nemec; We'd Mini Wanda Relict; Administretion of Justice (Nos. I and 21; Protection of Juckgs from Vexatious Actions; Administra tion of Criminal Juctice; Canada Union Act Amen dment; doint-Stock Congo Companies ; Salmon Breed Preen ration; Paymasters' Odium lidahou; Prism.; Sale of lager Regulate:it ; Naval Medical S upp l eme nt a l Fund Society • ' Minden . Castle Colonnade sad Town Approaches Improvement: Regent's Quadrant Mnehange of Atacama.= in Ms Count*. of Warwick and Stafford ; Each:knee of Fleeted:Wind Patronage between her Rejecty and the Earl of Leicester; Public Works (Ireland) No. 2; ' Evicted Dori:ate Poor *eland, ; Leclssitntical Ultima and sions of Paridlle. (Ire! nd ) i ; Inca:thereat Prates (lrelend); Juvenile Offenders ‘ Irelood); Law of Entail (Scotland) ; Highland Roods and B r idges (cemtliodt ; Culotta/lieu Canal; Leedom and South-Western Railway Company's Acta Amendment, Deviation, aml Now Works Ore n N.rthtnt Railway (Isle of Asholme branch); Lune:whim and Tork.hire Railway (amendment of nits and regulation of capital) • 11.11L11.7; Stirling and Dunfermline Railway (amendroentand • itoM; ; F a huburgli end Bathgote Railway (eaten:ion and de viation); Whitehaeen and Yung , Junction it (extend.. Coleraine or deviation front Sdecroft to I'maleld); Londonderry and Railway idcvlation °ince and amendment of act) ; .I.l , haw and Calt nraa liatitray (deviation, conn,Aitut branch, and num ovement) Dundee and arbniath Railway , Dundee junctim); Eduthurgh and Glasgow, Cal, or and Gtemits, Airdrie, and Moaklands .:tiection Railway oimealment of acts(; and North-Western Railway (branches a nd catenston from Leumington); Royston and Hitshin Rail way Eatension ; Midland Railway oiloowster anal risailehouce junta don); Newry and Diniskillen Railway (amend men eanicv of ; acts, and to Author , arrangements with other com)Os- I ford, Worttater, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. 2) ; • Rockland and Eirkintiliceb, Ballochney and Starnannan Railways (amalgamation or sale or Lease, and amendment or repeal sif set.); Great Western Railway (branch from Slough to Witdsce) ; London, Brighton. and South Wont Railway ;London -bridge and New er,. nation+) N ,w r and Yontynool R 1011,1 ), Act Amendment: Caledosian Railway ( ranch arras the Clyde and Glasgow menu) PayWe6 rilleOLA (improvement in preserving vegetable matter) , Dunbar Customs, Water and Harbour Dues Amendment ; Ntioreester Turnpike Trust; Ateravon Market; la ith Municipality and Police Trt.ut, Markets, Paving, and limitary Improvement.; New Grand Canal Gompaby ‘lrelaind) ;Nos. New Boas Port and Harbour Idialderstield Improvament 2) I Londonderry Improvement Thorne moor Drainage and Improvement: Meat of England and South Wali c Land Draining Company Incorporation ; Edinburgh Pelee ;Aineielineut, Consohdatiod of .kets, and folios and Sandal) Improvement); liver Nene Improvement and Draumee ; Birken. bend Dock Couunisnoners ( Manner of Powers to New Comminion ers, effecting arranifetuenn. Sill% the Crown, and Amendments of Ad.) No. 2 ; Hahne and Eters Road ; Crawford Britlye and Man chester Rind ; Richmond and Berth Road; Marlborough College Chapel; Newton's Estate; luderton's Estate; Lister or Hudson's Estate : )(Ma's ketate ; Walallotwe's Charities' titan., and Nicbad's Divorce. The Lords Commiaiioners were the Lord ChancelLr, the Earl of Shaftesbury, and Lord Campbell. IRISH POOR LAWS. The Eul of LUCAN, pursuant to notice, inquired what measures it was the intention of her Majesty's government to take in reference to the report ni the select committee of that house on the Irish Poor Law Arts (rating of lessors). The Marquis of LANSDOWNE admitted that there were evils connected with the administration of the poor law in , Ireland which required supervision; lint he wan not pre- pared to soy that, at an late a period of the it would be practicable to pa's say bill for that purpose. Early next season not only the important matter mentbned by the nob.o earl, but the whole subject of the poor law in Ireland ought to be coneidered by parliament. ( Hear, hear.) After a few obt,rvati•ins frost Lord ItIONT EAGLE, L>rd WHARNCLIFFE, as chairman of the select com mittee, bore testimony to the fact that the re were vexations in the administratiun of the poor law in Ireland which ought to be remedied. Tue Earl of LUCAN said the defects of the law had been clearly established before a committee of their lordships' house, and why should they not pass a short declarattry set to remedy tne evils which had been proved to exist i UNLAWFUL OATHS ACTS (IRELAND) CONTI NUANCE AND AMENDMENT BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR having moved the committal of this The Earl of SHILEWSBURY rose. pursuant to notice, to ask what were the intentions of the government with re spect to their future policy in Ireland, nor. especially in re gard to remedial measures ? He wished to pay a just tribute to the conduct of the Lord Lieutenant ; but he thought it was time to tail!' inearnest to apply a remedy to the evils which existed in Ireland. It was clear, from the ata'e of that country, twit there were great dissatisfaction and excite ment among the people. There had ever been in Ireland a government of tome Instead of opinion. We had the same state of things now as in Feb , 1844, when a coercion bill was proposed for Ireland. Tho number of coercion bills had since been increosed, the standing army had been greatly and the last ermine nt of the liberties of I reland had augrnentea, been struck dawn. And what, he might ase, hail been done for her relief? Her enormous extent of waste and unculti vated land, within reach of the starving people, remained uncultivated it'll. Every grievance, moral, social, and poli tical, remained almost precisely the same ; and the feelings, desires, inairests, and opinions of the people had produced no effect. The only material change which had taken place had been in th' passing of a new poor law—a law waich had In Via many i ,stances inflicted cruel injustice on the land lord. and had been equally unjust to the poor. In many oases the p-ea. rates had &learned the whole of the rent. Comil et ne Just thus to coafiscate any mon's pro perty ? Ought not such a tax to fall upon the commuuity ginerel ? The poor, too, wire insurficiently fed, and were not placed on an equal footing with the poor of te , s country in many other respects. The system ot evic tions still existed under the sanction of the law, and were often made at. the point of the aayotiet, while in, provision had been mate for the wretched outcasts. Justice had not been done to Ireland. The remedial measures recommended by some twenty parliamentary committees and royal coat me.i.iners, by every statirical and political writer (or the last twenty rare, and many of them solicited by almost every grand jury in the country—the measures as earneetly Melted on by Lord John Russell in February, 1644, in June, 1846, and at other periods—ail these reme dial measures still existed only in idea—none of them had been carried into practical effect. There was ens grievance in Ireland which was greater but far mire diffkult to deal with theu the rest. The house would rememeer that when a noble friend of his—a Roman catholic member of ghat house, and who now held office in the royal household—bad ventured to express as his opinion that the peace and security of the empire could only be se cured by a t eduction ot the property of the established church of Ireland, a noble and learned lord (Lord Brougham) not now preseet tell upon the noble lord, and, with great vehemence, t,unted him with the oath he had taken at their lordships' table, Ile (the Earl of Shrews airy) woe quite ready to admit that ac who hod impsed the oath had a right to iota rivet it, coutendedt hat he was entitl d co the largest interpretation e iiieh hail been recognised is the .iever Louse at parliement, and that be had therefore • right fully and freely to deices that most important and vital of all quest dons, viz. , tie. Irish church. No man t a religious opinion. ought to op.: - etc as a disquar.fication to him to express his sentiments. (Hear.) Notbi tie could be more preposterous than tee oath now required to be taken—a form ot oath to which he believed many protestanta ev'n ohjectid. A cele. heated political writer had declared that reli4ion and liberty were asters, hawing upon each uthir fur support; hut thee': religious distinctions were the bone and curse of the c nopire— they were the n, rimary curie of all the miseries and the mimeo vernrnent of Ireledil. The} had made the law in Ireland a nullity, and they had defeated the whole commis of adminis trative iusti e. It was the feeling thus generated that bad compelled the government to exclude from the jury panel at the recent trial of Mitchel, in Dublin, every R3Olllll eathilic ; and though, by such a system this country midst continue to eceupy 'till it could not vovern Ireland. He repeated that there was noth:,:g which had provoked PO much ea cour or militated more lakes! socisl imo.ovemeat it Iceland than the emit•oued refusal to reduce the Ir Ph there to its air a n d leptierite prep' .rtileo. He had no hostility to that eqabliehment, hut h.. was Sure its coca istruction wasild be pm: uctiv, of lalwan,ige (.1 Loth, and of 11.1,. lit .o the eation at liege. Withou a tettlemect of that question the Emancipation A I 1939 sew merely a no tsar,. of t He did not accuse the gyeeratueutuf a breath of faith, but ot a want of confidence in their own views, and if courage to carry them out. It their views were sound in 1844 they had become still sounder in 1848, and they, therefore, ought at once to be reduced into practice. The errors committed in the . . . agitation fur repeal afforded the lef [Mature ;no excuse for not having long since passed remedial measures, and it wee now the more nem wary, in order to establish a govern ment of opinion instead of one of force. As an Irish peer, a Roman catholic, and ►n Englishman, be could not nest the opportunity of thus publicly protesting against the continu ance of a system of government which had made Ireland the weakness instead of the strength of the nation, and had ex hibited her as at outrage on humanity and a scundal to the whole world. (Hear.) The Marquis of LANSUOWNE said that although his noble friend had not opposed the motion for goitre into com mittee on the bill, and •though he Lad not intimated an intention to opposo any part of its rrovitions, he had made some- observations connecting the bill with the g eneral state of Ireland, to which he (the Marquis of Lansdowne) thought it nrcessary to offer some reply. In the outset he (the Mar quit of Lansdowne) protested against the bill not being con sider. d in the sti ictist and largest sense a remedial measure. and he thought h could prove that the delay of such mea sures had origina . eil in Ireland itself, and not in this or the other branch of the b gislatun. (Hear.) Remedial imagoes had engem ri the perpetual attention el both—neither the one nor the other bad been inattentive to them. One of these had bet.. the measure fur alterine the relation between land lord and tenant, me eject of which was to excite and create an inducement to improve the cultivation of Ireland. All ot). r question, also surrounded with difficulti. a , was the cultivation of tae waste lands and the reclamation of bogs in that tuantry. This cote.' o•, be done without capital, and capit.l wooed mi. be iotroeuced without that protection to it 4 , 0.4.1174 u bill uuw under consideration would afford. It wet said the people required an improved franchise and ant :tension of municipal rights, bat be (the Marquis of Lens dow- held th tt ' and exercised under - - .0)) T.!) teach right+ SI %, privileges, if e. ,Utt _- Maur_ a tyranny, became a public nuisance. (Hear, hear.) Before wormy. The Repeal Association was not now in existence, nested with the sale of timber, THE. EXPRESS; TUESDAY I and flirelpaided to be seen What weans erould4se taken to. revile St. • ll* could ray, besidse, that the government Mt perfectly eatisSed that meth the'fillesotellaary powers which parliament had granted them the executive in Ireland would be able to suppress any illegal or seditious aseembly. Re therefore considered this measu re ample as ii stood with out the special provision now moved. (Ileac, hear.) Lord MONTEAULE suggested that the clause should be withdrawn in order that the bill should pass without any apparent difference of opinion. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that no one would re joice more than he should to see these associations effectually put down and discontiauxl—but, considering the answer of the noble marquis, and considering that the government was satisfied with the ;till as it stood, be did not think it would be expedient for the house to adopt the measure (fur it torus measure in itself) and would, therefore, recommeed his noble friend not to prow his clause. The Eul ed OLENOALL was convinced that unless some such measure was :atop . ed, the system of agitation would re. commence the moment the act for the Suspension of the Babeu Corpus ceased, which was in March next. Ile would rot press the clause against the opinions which had been expressed. The clause was then withdrawn, and after the introduction of some amendinihitr, at the suggestion of the Loan CHLN VELUM, the bill was reported. PARLIAMENTARY ELECTORS BILL. Lord BEALIMONT, in moving the second reading, ex plained that the object of this bill, which bad been sent up from the other house, was not practically to interfere with, hut to curry out, the rate-paying clauses of th e re f orm hill . The provision of the Reluras Act which made the right to vote depend on the payment, before the 20th of Joy, of the rates and taxes due in the previous April, operated in nume. roue instances to d;afram him persons perfectly solvent, and in every other respect qualified to vote, and who had omitted paying the rates and tax's, not from any inability to pay, or neglect of their own, but from the neglect of the coll m ector, who, being o ft en a person of strong political hiss, anaped by omitting to cal on those cheers w Ito entertained opposite views to his own, to influence the register by keeping out their names. By the present bill it was proposed to leave the test of the right to vote, the payment of rates and taxis, but to require the payment, before the 20th of July, of the amount due up to the Octoho r instead of the April preceding. This would prevent a practical abuse which was now much complained of, and woul I open the register to seine of the most wealthy and respectable householders, who were now too often improperly excluded. It was not proposed that the bill should come into operation for a year. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the noble lord ought not to press a measure which practically would effect a considerable change in the Reform Act in so thin a house. ,lie could not consent Lathe proposed change, and hoped the noble lord would withdraw she bill for the present session. Lord CAMPBELL denied that the hill departed from the nrinciple of the Reform Bi,l • but it was by refusing such • reasonable and necessary changes as this that that principle the legislature m in— ese questions, it ought to tale care that the law was maintained and peace and order preser ved. (Hear, hear) No government could be tarried on without more or less of force, and what there was of form. must be on the side of the government. (Hear, hear.) This bill, be repeated, was a remedial measure, inasmuch as it removed that which was a bar to improvement, and resisted the progress of measures not fo r g otten b y the government but necessarily suspended from the state of things which unfortunately prevailed in Ireland. ( Hear, bear.) lie denied that either 'house of parliament had exhibited an indifference to consider remedies for the correction ef the evils of that country, but be must remind the noble earl that as to the mode of effecting those remedies a vast difference of opinion existed, even among Irish mem bers themselv , s. The difference of opinion was such as not to induce him (the Marquis of Lansdowne) to anticipate perfect unanimity even in a parliament sitting at College green. (Ilear, hear.) During the last half century there had prevailed in the imperial parliament one constant endea. Tour to improve the state and condition of Ireland, and this session, in the midst of ell ex istin g dif fi culties, a measure had been passed to prevent the eviction of tenenta in a manner which: had been so loudly and SJ justly com plained of. The Duke of WELLINGTON. —And that bill has re ceived the royal assent to-day. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE.—Yes, in the midst of all the existing opposition to law and order in Ireland this mea sure had been pursed. In adoition, the government had introduced, and the parliament had sanctioned, the !num bered Estates (Ireland) Bill, which had also received the royal assent. This was a most important practical mea cure, which, by . producing a true arrangement of property, would introduce capital, cultivation, and im prov, meat into that country. With reference temind o the religious point which had been raised, he begged to r his noble friend how different was the present state of the Homan cath lic body from that which it had formerly been lecture the removal of the disabilities affecting them. For a series of years the legislature bad endeavoured to improve the condition of the Roman catholic', and still his noble friend seemed to think that more was required to be done. But what had been the change which had been effected in this respect ? It was only within the last twenty-four hours he had happened to meet with an Irish newspaper of the date of 1773, and what did it show the condition of the Roman catholic' then to be under an Irish parliament? In 1773 the Raman catholic , not being able to hold any poropertv, either in fee simple or in leaseholds, come held and liberal spirits of the day con ceived the idea of enabling them to hold leasehold property I only, and a measure was proposed to give them the liberty of holding 50 acres in leasehold. This was reduced to 40 square perches of land, and then it was required to be situated not in rural but in town districts. Such was' the liberality of the Irish parliament at that time; and he had taken the paper up expecting to find that, this measure bad been carried ; but, though orator after orator hail riven, the bill was thrown out, and three-fourths of the subjects of the crown wore prevented holding lands ' either by purchase or under leases. Looking at what had since been done, he thought no can did mind could refuse to y assent that there had been every disposition on the part of the legislature to improve the condition of Ireland. Other transom have been contempleed, but have been delayed by the rebellion which out; rtunatcly existed at present ; but when peace, law, and order were restored, then the conside ration of throe measures would he resume 1, and they would, he was confident, engage the best and most noxious attention of both Houses of Parliament. (Hear, hear.) The Duke of WELLINGTON was anxious to support the bill which had been introduced by the noble and learned lord on the woolsack, but he was glad that he had given way to the noble marquis who had just sat down. The noble earl opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury) had mentioned a list of grireißeell which he required to have remedied before the adoption of this measure, which was intended to put down the open rebellion which was uow known to exist in Ireland. The question really for the house now to decide was,whether it would go into committee on this bill, which was neither more nor less than a measure to amend and continue several acts of parliament leaving for their Mika the put ting down of secret societies in Ireland, and which had been the means of forming, promoting, and carrying on rebellion in that country fifty years ago. Now in modern tim' s, in the reign of the existing sovereign, seer a societies, under the name of clubs, bad been formed all over Ireland, which clubs it was obvious were the means ef organisation and discipline against her Majesty's government in that country, and which clubs could only be put down by means of that amendment of the law which was now proposed by the noble and learned lord on the woolsack. He (the Duke of Wellington) knew the nature of military operations, and he could tell their lordships that a measure of this kind was absolutely necessary, and must be carried into effect with activity, in order to put down without extramdinary and enormous bloodshed the state of things which now existed in. Ireland. It had been said that reme dial measures ought to precede this; but he would remi h iid the noble curl opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury) tat the last 40 years had been posed in adopting ineesures to improve the condition of II eland, and there had not been a single session in which many wen• sures had not been adopted by all governments to effect that object. The noble earl had complained of the oaths admi nistered to their lordships on asking their seats in that house. and seemed to think that theca oaths had been un justly. impost d. Now he (the Duke of Wellingtou), having been in tris and the other house of parliament ior a very considerable number of years, had some romllection of the origin of the oaths complained of by the noble earl, and if he was not very much mis those oaths was founded on the oonatiet this Inquiry with success. That person had been imileedilitely sent down to the New Forest; a legal gentle- Mom eminence, of considerable local knowledge. had been ar ad with him; and there eras every reason to believe titdierse gentlemen were prosecuting their inquiries with gswataselvity and ability. Two persona had already been committed to take their trial, in consequence of the die cloguree which had boon made. (Rear, bear.) Lord DUNCAN asked if it was true that themete d ? eputy surveyor, Col. Thornhill , had t endered his resigion Viscount MORPETI4—CeI. Thornhill, the late deputy autveyer, has been for some time in a declining atete of health ; end he has, in consequence, tendered his resigns. Lion. What I mean to convey is, that Col. 'Thornhill's re signation is grounded upon the state of his health, and that alone THE RUSSIANS IN MOLDAVIA. Lord D. ST uART wished to ask if it was correct that the Russian force which had entered Moldavia bad since been withdrawn, and had retired beyond the limits into Russia again. Viscount PALMERSTON said he believed the report was correct. The last account, hum Oa, British Consul at Mol davia stated that the Russian corps which had entered delis either bud retired or was about to do so. As far as the information of the government went, it would appt ar that the body of troops which had entered Moldavia had done so at the request of the hosporlar of tha. place. COMMITTEE ON THE WOODS AND FORESTS. Mr. HUME asked when the report and evidence of this committee would be before the house ? Lord DUNCAN >aid h, had used all the expedition in his power to get the report published, and be hoped it would be in the hands of members by Friday or Saturday at the latest. OMITTED CORRESPONDENCE. On the motion fur goime into committee of supply, Lord O. BENTINCK rose to move an address to the crown, praying that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine might he directed to trap mit forthwith to the Colonial Secretary copies of the omitted correspondence between the provincial secretary of Canada and the Secretary to the Montreal Board of Trade, and that the same might be laid before the house. Isis lord'hip entered into a detail of the circum stances under which this correspondence had been, es he contended, omitted, and said he was anxious to obtain an ex- Planation from the colonial authorities as to the nausea of the omission. It was a matter in which the coun try at large felt a deep interest. The complaint was that minted, ro, in laying core , epondence before paella went, had selected ' that which told in favour of the repeal of the navigation laws, rejecting that of an opposite tendency; and the noble lord at the head of the Colonial office, had avowed it to be hie practice to leak only et those despatches which favoured his own political views. In this case, the provincial secretary of Canada had communicated a letter which be addressed to the Montreal Board of Trade, tine, however, the communication from the hoard which had called forth that answer. It was important that the exact Ito ling of the colonise should he known on the subject of the navigation laws. The Montreal Board et Trade, uade tened by the rebuke of the provincial secretary, had insisted on pressing on the notice of the home government the baneful consequences which must result from throwing open the St. Lawrence, unless that measure were accompanied by other necessary concessions. It Tem most singular that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine, with his known habits of business. had omitted t,, send home this communication. Had lie been instructed to send home only such despatches as favoured' the policy of government, or was it not rather the case that he had forwarded the commu nication and it had not been laid before parliament ? It was on the latter supposition that he acclunted for the hostility of the government to the motion he now made. The cold nista contended that unless the transit by the St. La., rvnee were made equally accessible with that by New York, and rendered equally cheap, the interests of the c would materially suffer. To this the governor might have replied, that no alteration or abrogation of the navigation laws could effect thr object. But Earl Grey, in 'despatch of so recent • date as the 7th of July, had assured Lent Elgin that ministers entertained a confident hope that the repeal of the navigation laws would pass into a law. What must have been the feeling of the colonists when, ten days later, they discovered that the promised boon was abandoned? navigations could not possibly produce the bffiefits they antiepated ; that their calculations as to the difference ot freinet were erroneous; that the frights to New York, , insti sal of 2s. Id.. had avenged 3.. *Ad. ; and that if the frsig!es oe flour from Canada han fluctuated from 3s. 611..0 71., those from New Turk bad fluctuated from `2..9d. to B<. The navigation to Montreal being cloted by frost five months oat of the twelve, that place could never he put on au equel footing with New York, nor could Quebec, which was 175 miles lower down the river. This Earl Orey ought to hove told the Canadians, and also to have reminded them that the voyage between Montreal and London occupied 20 or 25 days longer than that front New York; aho, that the in surance from Montreal was never less than 41. per cent., and sometimes as high as 91., wnile that from New York varied only from 40a to GOs. per cent. ; that the voyage to Mon treal being almost wholly against the stream beyond Quebec, was rendered expensive by the necessary employ resent of steam-tugs, which for a vessel of 400 tons cost 701. going up, and 451. returning. The difference in insurance, pilotage, and other expenses, amounts d on an average to 10d. per barrel on flour, and could not be remedied by act of parliament. This ought to have been the tenor of LorrlOrey's despatch. Instead of that, he had taught the colonists to believe that the repeal of the navigation laws would put them on an equal looting with the United States. When they discoverril how falla cious was the boon they might well declare, in the language of their own address, that their commercial ties with the . , _ was endangered. Lord REDESDALE had never before heard that the ex tension now proposed etas fur the benefit of the rich and respectable, instead of the lowest and most depraved. The bill had tot come up with such an unanimous assent fee in the Commons so should induce their lordships to adopt it without that full consideration which at this period of the session it was impossible to give to it. Lord GREY should agree with the noble 1 ird were the object of this bill other than to remove a practical and con • stantly-recurring evil he law, as it stood. did practically give the poser to a parish officer to favour his own side in politics, and to exclude his opponents from the regi•ter ; and this power he believed to be constantly exercised, to the delusion of the most respectable and perfectly solvent householders; hut if another six months were given, the conned or coll. ctor could not, without injury to himself, avoid making the demand. He hoped his noble friend would take the sense of the house on his bill. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH spoke against the bill, and ob. OCTTeIa that the lower you went in search of a constituency (and that was the ilirecti , n of this bill), and the lower the constituet cy went in search of a representative, the worse would he the character of the government of the country, the greater woul•t be the extent of iolib.ng, and the greater would he the evils tte great body of the people would have to endure. Alllr a few words from the Earl of STRAFFORD, the bill was read a second time. Thee lordships adjourned at • quarter past nine. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY. Al - O. 14 The IBrzLiza took the chair at hall past 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND REA DINt (City) Sewers; :Virgin Mary Hos pital (t:ewe:mgle-upon-Tyne) Estate; Rills. icEvoicr CONSIDERELE—Faweeit's (or Alderirom'id F.etatc BilL THIRD likl.aLtlNG.—handtreb Charity Estate Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PKTITIONS.—By Sir It. FERGUSON, from the corporation of Lon donderry, in favour of tie Renewable Lams, acc. (Debated), 10111.—Mr. PATTISON, treat the general body of Pro testant &scenting miniatere of the three denominations, re siding in and about the cities of London and Westminster, disapproving all religious grants, especially the region donum.-- Mr. U. BERKELEY, from poor-law offimrs of Westbury upon severn, praying rOl superumnation.—Mr. C. LCSIIINGTON, from the Ilealth of Towns Association, praying that IlkelbUral may he taken for promoting the health of the metropolis. —Lord G. BKNTINCK, from King's Lynn, praying that Kinsale might be introduced into the echedule of the torrilyt Practices Rill. Alen one from 2,018 ship. owcers, miners, and others, interested in British mining, complAiu ing of the recent alteration in the copper dutias.—Mr. town Liverpool, stating that the petitioner. have observed with regret that whilecorrelve measures have passed through parliament with unexampled rapidity, those of a remedial character have, with one or two exceptions, been postponed. The petitioners state that they have heard with rep the announcement of an early prorogation of par - - • public b. , be se . - -.sou with regret._ dement, and they pray that rather than the public tidiness be sus pended such hon. members as meter Held sports to their legislatorial duties may he indulged with a Mort tears of absence. The petitioners further pray that prompt means may ho taken to serialise the income and expenditure of the country. — Lord MORPFTII, from bathers in the Serpentine, compLiin- Inc of its present state, and praying that it may be cleansed; also from poor-law oltie.ra of Rotherham, praying for soperanning Mon.—tom 11. WILLOUGHBY, mom kalinburgh Sessions clerks, praying for compensatkon in ease the Registration of Merriam" Bill should become law.—Col. DUNNE, from grand jury of Galway, against the Irish poor law; also one from the same body prayieg for a committee to inquire into the state of Ireland.—Mr. GOULBURN, hon the parish of Honorer, Jamaica, complaining of the recently pissed sugar duties.—Mr. from inhabitants it the royalty of Edinburgh, against the annuity tax.—Mr. 0. THOMPSON, from baptists of atirupeloire, against the regium donum.—Mr. CARD. WELL. from the society ot Foresters, praying for legal protection. SECOND REA DlNGA.—Faver (Rebind); Taxing Masters. Court of Chancery (Ireland); Ecelestamical Patronage Suits Comprombe Ora laroio ; (Wawa el Courts of J uotiee (Memel); Bids. COM M ITT EF.S.—ltilitia Pay ; Parochial Debt and Audit ; Out-Pen sioners: Spirits ( [lndere in) ; BOUM Spit its Warehousing; Petty Bag, Re., others (Quirt of Chancery) ; Sheep, he. (2); Rills. REPOlLTS.—Amessiunable Manors Corontiosioners; Steam Navi gation; Bills. 11111U)TO Itl-tDlNGS.—Turnpike Acts Conthinance ; Poor-law Union District School.; Money Order Departmer.t (Post-ollice); Boroughs Incorporation; Bills. ENGINE DRIVERS ON THE LONDON AND RTH WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. THORN ELY, seeing the hon. member for Kendal in his place, wished to ask him whether any agreerneot had teen c me to by the directors of the London end North Western Railway and the engine-drivers ; and, ii not, whether such arrangements had lc-t n mode as would provide for the secure working of the line and the safety of :he public? Mr. GLYN paid he bad the satisfaction of being able to in form his hon. friend and the house, that every proovidon was mode for the proper working of the trains. A very consider able propoi thin of the old enciceers and their nwistints had returned to their duty—(hear, hear),—and with the ',Teri. elated ii:en whole oho y had toe , it aide to secure fro o• other linen of railway, ev. ry train, from that too: Mug would he worked b. men as competent as those woo Mei left the service. He nit rationed this with great satisfaction, as every hon. tueonln r must lie exceedingly anxious that no storrendo r on the port of the company sheutd he mode to men who had taken this step. (Hear, bear.) The whole of these prom (dings had biers dictated by a club: that club bed transmitted criers to the other lines in the north of England, diricting that all men who were members of the club should levee the service of tie London on I N rah Western Company that morning. He was happy to sic, however, thY. the Intentions of the club had been tru.trated ; for all the men in the north had ridcaimil at their duty (Heir, hear ) He could tell of many tricks which had been plmed by the men Bofors they lett the a rake; her now, taring got rid of them. he had no d o ubt tont the put Ic scr vice would be condom. dgeith safety And regulario y. STEAM NAVIGATION BILL. On the report on this lull being received, Sir G. GREY, in sower to a notation from Mr. 'cmottm. ELT. was meter tonal to soy that the operation of ths bull w. old b^ coodino DUBLIN POLICE BILL. On the motion cur going into committee on ti , is it T. O'Lttl EN re gauged that it might be postponed on woe , trot 01 t.l. •P b. h.g a. os prewoo.. Aftor a conversteiiin it w a pAstponed tiOI 'ter the otht r ord. r.; and t 1 o'clock the house adjourned unit 5. The house resum 5 o'clock. ROYAL ASSENT. The Ushr r of the BLICK lied epdeored at the, bar, and summoned the house to the. Howie of Peers to hear the royal assent given to various bills (for which see Lords' report). WESTMINSTER SEWERS. . - - takes every one of propositions contained in the petitions of those who were afterw rds to take those very oaths. Those petitioners de manded cernsiu concessions from parliament, and it was re quired that some protection ought to be secured to that in stitution which he trusted the legislature would never cease to protect—the established church. The petitioners accordingly suggested these oaths, and he could prove that these oaths were framed on the model which those petitioeers furnished. Therefore, the noble earl bad no ground for complaint with re spect to these oaths. Itdid rot, however, signify what had been mine or what remained to be done, he (the Duke of Wellington) conterded that the measure now before the house was abso lutely necessary to maiutain the goveratuent and tho state of society in Ireland. At present the whole country was occu pied by clubs. chiefly organist d for the promotion of military operations ; and these clubs or secret so iieties must be pui . down. (11, ar, time) Let any man read the accounts which had been given with so much parade of the review by one gentleman at Cork of from 2,000 to 3,000 men, and then say that these men had net been assembled by organised si:nals from Dublin. (Hear, hear.) If such was the case, was not the measure necessary ? He hoped the government were uettr mined to put down these club', and to enable them to do so he supported this bill. (Hear.) The Earl of DESART expressed his surprise at the tone in which the noble earl opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury) had spoken of the property of the established church of Ire land. If the principle the noble earl laid down held good, it appli, 4 equally to all property, and sanctioned the communism by which every man would be permitted to judge whether his neighbour had enough or too much priperty. He should have expected the noble earl would have repudiated such a principle. In hi' opinion Ireland had been too long made the object of conciliation instead of government. Government was what she wan.eil, and that he hoped she would have. The Earl Of (ARNO ALL said he never hod hi ard a speech in that house which gave him so mueh satisfaction as that d leered toy the noble m trqais the' foxing. The li;l1 he thought :mod es far as ft went, and he hoped it weuld have the eft ct of putting down those clot's, which he cer tainly thought could not be put down by the ordiiiory op-ra- tier, of the law. But he r.gretteel that the government had ! not resolved to go one step further, and suppress the Repeal Association, to Which, and to the agitation carried on through its agency, and to the pestilential and seditious doctrines which ems's. t , d from i', he entirely attributed the misery. of Ireland. lie uid not believe that by this bill, aided hy the common lee, the government had the power to put down that assoeiation, which was only givi, g rise to the existence of a grow of venal hypocrites and sordid impostor, end unless :hay did put it down they would he doing thing but an infinity of mischief, He, therefore, hoped they would apply to parliament h fore the see-lot, closed for powers to enable them to suppress that 1 estilen tiel holy, and with it the repeal agitation. Ho was seliefieu that if agi tation were suppressed for even five or six yea, a prosperity would Poo. follow, and Ireland become a source of wealth to the nation, instead of loving fereal to look to the public ex chequ rf or support. With thi sr opinieus he should c'r tainly feel it his dety to woe, 4 4.1.1111, , n 'hair lordships went ioto committee, having for its object the immediate suppro talon of the Helmet Association. H. • was also of opinion that they ought to r. vire the jury clause of the emirei hill of 1h33 for cosetitutiou milker) loans; for Peeing that in two of the three ,!11 , t11 of Kitchel, O'Brien, end Meagher, the juries could not igree, and that that morning's newspapers i .formed them that the jury sound not agree in the case of Doherty, he felt that some such measure was neemary, otherwise trial by jury in Ireland would be a mockery. The nook earl then proceeded to make a complaint against the officials of the • by their voice and their United States would be strengthened, and those with the mother country dissolved. It was notorious that no part of the empire would suffer more from the repeal of the naviga tion laws than the North AnErican colonies, whose ship-building trade would be entirely taken away. The obiset of his motion was to prevent any governor...general or colonial minister from presenting to parliament partial wrote from correspondence net calculated to tell the whole truth ; also to learn from Lord Elgin why he wee treading in the steps adopted by the Colonial-office, but which were condemned by the public at large. Mr. DISRAELI seconded the motion. Lard J. RUSSELL sid he did not think it =emery or convenient to enter into the disi usaion whether the repeal of the navigation laws would or would not be useful to Caeada, or would answer the of which the Canadians of the Mon• treat Boatel of Trade had in view ; that discussion would snore properly take place when any mea sure regarding the navigation laws was proposed. The only question which he and totemd the noble lord to raise was as to certain letters which he said were omitted from the correspondence before the house. Tne ob jection to the noble lord's motion was simply this: it ap peered to convey an incorrect notion of the facts of the case. Any person reading it would suppose that Lord Elgin had been to hl,me in not sending the correspondence between the provincial secretary and the secretary of the Montreal Board of Trade, and ought to be reprimanded for that neg lect, and ordered to send the correspondence more fully. The fact was, that on the 31st of May Lord Elgin had written • despatch to Lord Urey, informing him that a cerrespondeuce with the Montreal Board of Trade had taken place ; and memorials were enclosed to both houses of parliament, winch were sent sub jest to the approval of the Secretary of State. There were besioes • letter fn -m the president of the Mont real Board of Trade, and answer at the provincial secre t ay. The answer of the provincial secretary reproved the prosident of the Montreal Boardot Treee fora perticular ex pressOin in the original letter, in which he hat soid unless the navigation of the St. Lawrehce was made free to the United `fates, the inevitable tosult would be to dissolve the ties which connected the colony with the mother coun try. After this came another letter from the secretary of the Montreal Board of Trade, delendiug the c xpression ori ginally used. Lord Elgin wrote on the 31 s of May. Whether ne had not received that reply at the time his de-pitch was sent elf, or whether the despatches were mado up, and he did not thirds it of any y im portance to seed it, he keew not, But with respect to ti e particolar expression which hut rot 'teen thought decorous to t looming, he (Lord J. Rowell) deemed it a minor of very little importance. But it wen important that the house shout° not agree to a motion the terms sat which, in some measure, indirectly morepreoented the tact. and imputed Warm, to Lord Elkin without any just ground. It sound that whir. the expreasion was noun el fault with, the secretory of the board had def. nded it ' • whether the arguments he weei in its defence were good or bad, was a meter of the slightest possible interest; but there was no objection wnat ev. r to the paper Mine obtained and laid before the house. Then Coro. the Utter Sc, rstary to the Colonies aoold mute, either that night or on some other monition, an address to the crown aokieg for coin.' of the correspundoice whist.. had ...t1 Nowt.. tie previotsial secretary nod the Montreal Bo.orel 01 Trade on the sulject of the repeal of the nseig tam laws, -leo fir any turther correspondence whicn miaut be reoeirol ; and this would include all the haste lord Asked fir. Ris noble friend (Earl Getty) had not yet received these further papers ; hut lw had requested Lord Eight to send them, and they should be laid before the house as soon as they arrived. tie objected to the noble lord's motion as it stood as not being one which the house ought to adopt, od not founded on the actual state of the transaction. government for supportin4 by money the repeal candidate for the city of Dublin at the last elec tion. The first man that tendered his vote fur that hon. gentleman at the last election was the Attorney.Oeneral, Mr. Monaghan, and two other gentlemen connected by office with the government had given large sums of money to supprt the defence to the petition against him. The con dition of Ireland was such that the government could not afford to lose caste with the loyal portion of the people by sanctioning such conduct. It was want of character in the French government which led tot. e late revolution, and ho must therefore protest against the government permitting their subordinates to support the carry inv on of such a war as had been now going on for the last eight years in Ireland. Lord REDESDALE denied the assertion of the noble earl (Shrewsbury), that the Raman catholics were still de graded, insulted, oporeused, and termeuted. As for their being excluded from juries he admitted it; but it arose from the circumstance of there being very few Roman catholics iu Ireland who were loyal and well affected subjects. He might bay that at least four-fi'ths of them were disloyal. The Mai:leis of CLANIIICAIRDE felt himself called on to contradict this statement in tne strongest manner. There were hundred* and thousands of Rocuai, catholic in Ireland who were at loyal subjects as any in fin at Britain, and many of whom h: . .d els.inguished themselves by their ex, rtions is support the law. (Hear.) Their lordships then went iat.o committ.e. The first clause having been agreed to, The Earl of OLENOALL moved a clause empowering the Lord Lieuteneut to suppr,ss any :JinoClit kill assembling bales of the people in Ireland which he should deem to be , dangerous to the public peace or iniuzious to the due admi nistration of this law, • The T" Zuis of LANSDOWNE considered the clause tan _ the plaoe to discuss such sub, widely diverging from the subject before them in discussing the style of the architecture and the decorations. If that was the question he should have decidedly voted for a dit ferent style; but he was bound to say that as the house had by a majority adopted the style Mr. Barry suggested no thing could be more admirable than the way in which it was carried out. The lute was then agreed to. The next vote put was 4,0501. for works in the Isle of M m. Dr. BOWRING said he objected to all Isle of Man votes. Heinler one system nor another was ad •pte d with regard to that island. The net revenues of eh- island only were paid into the Exchequer, the officers paying themselves out f the Fross. Toe islanders were willing to take their r venues into their own hands, and pledge themselves never to tome to parliament fur a shilling ; and why should we interfere with them ? Mr. PARKER said this money was to be mainly ap plied to the erection et a court house, &c., which had been recommended by the governor and local authorities, and sanctioned by the Treasury. Mr. HUME said it happened to be his lot many years ago to oppose the purchase of the rights of the Duke of Atholl in tho Isle of Mar.. He wished now to kalw what benefit this country had received from it ? He believed Mr. Pitt's oh set in making the purchase was to obtain for the crown the patronage of the bishopric. Mi. ki WART said if instead of amending their 1 iw courts we were to amend the. administration of their laws, we should do something far more useful and far b. Mer uppre elated by the Manxman. Everything in that Wend was th. iuhject of abuse, and more especially their charities. Viscount MORPETH said the law coats and the ki.ks in the ble eit Mun had alwaas been repaired by the government. Dr BO WRING said the ac de in which the unfortunate people of the Wand were placed was pertectly oisgraceful to this country. They we.e denied repre.entation, and every public tight and privile,te. They had uo power over their own Tivenyea Mr. HU %IE said he should divide against th It vote. The house divided—For the vote Against The vote was carried. The next vote was 12,792/. for the Shrewsbury and Holy head reeds. Mr. SPOONER objected to the travelling expenses of the surveyor of three roads, which were charged at no less than 5001. Vise-unt MORPETH said this bad been a regular charge since the Fled) head roads were first construoted. Mr. SPOONER said that the length of the road was only 106 miles. Viscount MORPETH mid the Menai and enmity Bridge r quired very nice superintendence. Mr. SPOONER—And immense travelling upon them no doubt. He remembered that the mite stones upon this line originelly cost 6351. He should divide against the item. Viscount MORPETII promised that he would make it his husiuree to inquire before next year whether this item c .ul.l licit be reduced. The Tote was their agreed to. The next vote as 131,0001. for the expense of onnetruct ine trabouri of re:uge.—Api ed to. The 0 , -It vote was 23,16,1. for maititainioi; an •re pairing pubic bull ings in the elepertrai.e.t at the Board of Works Ireland. Dr. BOWRING objected to the manner in which the 11 .cord of Works in Ireland conducted their ',evinces. Henry detail of their operations required the closest investigation at the bends of the Treasuiy, for every pound sent over to Ireland for their distribution became the object of the grossest jobbery, (Hear, hear.% In answer too question from Sir D. L. Evens, which did and no. . —sp. (1.-... e, hear.) . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not reach the gall, r)( Mr. DISRAELI made some remarks, whi ch were M- I Lard MORPETH said that it was not intended to open audible in the gallery. assure the bon. and learned gentleman that the Treasury any crespool or sewer near Westminster Abbey, but to make Mr. HA W ES said that as soon as Lord Grey was aware of wau l o no t f a il t o exerc i se t h e c l ose st supervision over the a communicetion between the sewn and a most pestilent the existence of such a letter as that which bad been moved B oar d o f P u bli c W or k s i n I re l a nd. cesspre I situated within the precincts of the abbey. it wa s tor, he wrote to Lord Elgin, requesting that a copy of it Mr. HUME said that the first step towards introduci, g being done at the earnest suggestion of the dea n and chapter, should be transmitted. a direct check upon the expenditure of public money in and h (Lord Morpeth) trusted would be followed by the After a few words from Lord O. HENTINCIL, Ireland would be the abolition of the Lord Lieutenant. most s e The motion was negatived without a division ; and the (H ear, h ear. ) salubrious results house went into committee °impel,. WOODS AND FORESTS. Mr. V. SMITH considered that some immediate control On the vote of 30,0001. for the new houses of parliament, Lord DUNCAN, seeing the noble lord at ti e head of the S' H.WILLOUGHBY said that the sums voted by over Irish expenditure on the part of the executive at home parka- was an object of the highest impertance. Woods and Forests in his place, wished to ask him a ques u for t he I Mt. GOULBURN deprecated the proposed erection or a ment d new houses amounted to 916 0001., whilst the lion of a most aerious and important nature. He Wished to :hat March, 1818 , P. paid t ar f know what steps had been taken by the noble lord the mocey . pr w or l astre 2 eit to be paid up to the 00 ,1101 , bein g an Inc of ey granted by mon ey School, a step which he thought likely to create much squab- Roman catholic chapel for the Royal Hibernian Military Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forest.. in consequence of a num : t n i te the private information which it was his (Lord Duncan's) e 7 gTe 6 101. M How co uld the present vote cover that - parliament ' oe p aid over ' Ming and disagreement. painful duty to communicate to him and to the committee of - - ,IL)- . indent the re s somewhere a hiatus raid: devjend I t M. F. MAULE thought, on the contrary, that the pro. inquiry up , to the suoject, of which he wit , chairman • and Tre e original estimate for the building was 700,0001. It hastul siding a Roman catholic chapel, with its Roma, catholic also who thee, from circumstances which had transpired ' since t 1,002,110/ , and before it was Completed it would chaplain, for the children of Roman catholic soldiers, who the committee made their report, the noble lord had any alrea dy ,„ boom:mu. (Hear,. hear.) He thoug ht that parliament attended the institution, and who were now without tele reason to believe that an organised system of plunder and `f' , itself to blame for allowing so t was groat an excess. depre frtion upon the timber and other property of the in the removal of dissension. crown in the New Forest h d been carried au Lt . a consider- Lord MORPRTHsaidthat94s,oool. had beenalready voted. Sir W. SOMERVILLE also supported the vote. He able period and to en warming extent ? This year 50,0001 more was to be issued in come qusnee of fel• that the children of our Roman catholic brethrm , who Viscount MORPEIII said he ft need there ~a ll but too the vote taken on acelunt, which would make up 1,000,0001. had fought and bled for our common country, were cat:ilea much reason to believe that a system of fraud and depreda. wi thin 6,0001. It was true that the return made the sum to have p ro p er spiritual i4strnetion administered by pas:ors Lieu bad prLvaded for a long time ~.-, with respect to the paid J r ag ro d to be paid 1,002,1101. The additional sum, of their own communion. (Hear, hear.) cutting and sale of timber in the New Forest. As soon us however( was not issued, although contracts had been made Mr. SPOONER felt s, strongly the impropaiety of in any these re vela:in, !.a : ben broneht under the notice of his on the faith of a vote of the house. way giving public support to the Roman catholic relieion, roils friend (Lord Duncan) sod the coouninee of whith he Mr. OSBORNE said it would be much the most economi that he should divide the house against the claim of I.lnol. for was cLaitantu, he (Led latrvitii) la.ol b, en tottunate cal way to have an estimate sent in of the whole expense, the erection of the proposed chapel. enough to tog.lge the serviem of a gentLmaa sonnet al wiih and then proceed with the works and have them finished sat Mr. IL DRUMMOND objated to the vote, not by any the dockynr.:s, who was specially recommended to him for once, by means of a loan, if necessary. The agreement with means on the ground stated by the hon. member, but be the purpose, as •gentleman conversant with everything con- Mr. Barry was that he should be paid 25,0001. The plan cause he cousidered that the spiritual wants of the people of - -- -- • ' ' ker. and one who wee likely to under which that agreement was made had been broken, Ireland should be provided for out of the ecclesiastical pro and he believed that Mr. luny would have a good cause of petty in Ireland, amplaleneetoeulli:hsminbaell:acyldes°.fanoit,:ik,i:tehhntiehcer,_.tßotifunos:lll:l4.:':n h e yar l thought h ) fo rward i ml c hat onh w tits oP of Chancellor of the Exthequer for efficient spiritual instruction (or ""Yhisad,..mitiLeoftom,,,,hrigelb.Prrisifir:°:rffi:er""lidoc.iie -'- ehtuoirldwiehgathhede foraoo ------- nsi ie ile ttg red to 00 • f : ail apf ; yedi • he itee. T o h im e delay pou i impossible Ise suasion there. (Hear, Mr. REYNOLDS time been attributed to the Barry tholics of these realms, numbering as they did on 4 * tin nt th or e action against some future additions/ sum. They had incurredan enormous expendi and Reid squabble. lie should like to know from the of the population, equal rights in every respect ' d ui thed noble lord in what position that squabble now stood. fellow suhjecta. Lord MORPETR said he was not ebbs to inform the hon. Mr. lIUME supported the grant, regarding it is gentleman what was the state of the personal relations be- for education. An to the ministers of religh,n i h e slic ias twice Mr. Barry and De—Bea; but the ventilation was that every man ought to pay for his own chosen "Pn placed under the exclusive control of th e latter gentleman. t fo h r e zdthc ss e m iNfi e Arstp w ti a il y ße t b h cer a : t rig e h e nt e l year- With regard to the two gentlemen who had been named, blding .. at once." lie did not think that more than 30 Roman catholic chapel within the walls of a public m a i' -' I tion was calculated to produce a very painml itep r ,„ — "" upon these who were oppose i ta r . D. OSBORNE altogether protested against m e : feet he l arof consideredi: i rho 'l V ß ie U to t h M r a i t a g t hT°oeNwDehrcouldid had with i l2 d t he demanded things from them. First, they required to have all the munion_. But fire - housepi o f. also required e trc tth that htehy. they h s o h u ma l el l dblti saes- n e.uction of d the ?do theologieson into this decussice. Than rated, so that they could not he insulated. It was for the was alrea sr quite disunion enenstri on th is unh appy • apartments l : l : e te . o. It would be accessary for this to have (hem perfo house to settle that question before they blamed either the miserable e uestioin o f the t h e hiq dissensions ,ied which la t h e h. menaced his house, and troops a ere to attend fur its de a l s e Mr. Barry was entitled to 6 per cent. beyond th e wittiest two gentlemen who had teen mentioned , lie t fiw h n o il i 'il i ll' it 'edia h h t t itn h h a ea t phisician.. Mr. P. HOWAItD said that he very much d oe ,. n wwhouetihde, rwithth.ealhlohnis. protestantenember f le o r r vo W ur ar , sum. They must either pay him or cheat him. One or the great cause of the embarrassment regarding this subject Items , expenditure of the money. (Hear, hear.) He slid not think was, that no human being emoted to be responsible for the tholic soldiers to stand aside , however Mot he mo i ; the bon. member neer him was much wrong when he said upon depriving these soldiers' children of the spiritual e id er ' the cost would be 2,000,0001. their spiritual pastors. ( Hear.) Sir C. WOOD said there wee a pla n b y which the arch The committee then divided—For the amendment 12 i ten was bound to work, and a commiesion had been am Againetit ........ 143 -01 On pointed to see that the work was performed in conformity t h e question that the vote be mend to, with it. if they agreed to any deviation teem the plan, they The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in rec e . , , should report to the Treasury ; they had sanctioned an alter - Mr. SP OONER, said that no p rovision had Men made b r y'o: ation with respect to the accommodation of the officers, the act estntiiishine the Roman catholic c ilege of Mayr e ni ez cost of which would be 4 , 0001 . keeping the building is repair, cnneequenly th e na — , Lord DUNCAN agreed with the hon. member for Surrey must be paid for every ye it out of sums voted for th at Pen that the cause of all the embarrassment and confusion was pose. the want of propar control. Mr. SPOON ER, conmniled that the 30 0001. In answer to Mr. BAILLIB. . '., Med by the act for the e xpenses of meto•oota was . Lord MORPETH said the agreement with Mt. Barry tended to include the keeping of the bu lelinp i n re _,,,,.." . had not been altered. Any alteration must be for the con He begged to move that toe sum of 2,6851. hei en i; eideration of the treasury aid parliament. amou nt at which the re p airs of Mani:moth buildings were is. Sir D. NOItItEYS considered it a very absurd arrange- timated, be struck oat of she vote. mint that the passages were nut to be ventilated as well as Mr. BANXES said he would vote with his hon. incl . ?, the interior of the building. as he thought the sum charged fur repairs was an unre Mr. URQUHART said that the original estimate was ble ton upon the gene rosily of the notice, more es ' Ptcully 700,0001., said that house had allowed it run up 102,000,0001. when 30,0001. a year was granted to Maynooth. That was an immense sum for a monstrous exhibition. It Mr. DUNCAN corroborated 'the strewents of the t was a fraud and an hypocrisy carried on in the face of the hon. members who bad last •poken, namely, that the 30,47 counts y% voted to Maynooth was to include all the expenses o f t h at Mr. 'KUNTZ said that if any alteration were allowed they establishment, and it was stated at the time that that sea would be at the mercy of tke contractors and ambit( ct. was proposed in order to prevent any e thee applicatiou is Mr. O'CONNOR said that a select committee should be parliament. appointed to inquire into the whnle matter. If no other The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said test member made a motion to that effect he would feel it his the act referred to made no annual presisinit tor putties dut to do so. Ma y neoth buildings into repair, anu that expense man Sir. HUME raid that the d i stinct arrangement with Mr. therefore he annually defrayed. Barry was, tat he should receive 2.5,0001., and the cam- Mr. BRIGHT coefirmed the statement made be dictum mittee who considered his plan were perfectly satisfied that member for Dundee as to the repairs of Matinee:is the building could be erected at the estimated expenee. Mr. GOULBURN quoted the speech of S.r It. Peel is But Mr. Barry was allowed to take his owe course nhe order to show that the future repair; of the huddler n altered Ids plan, and hence all the confusion. lie had in Mayneoth were not to he provided for out of the 30.000 L tact humbugge d them all, and it would be a gross injustice granted in 1845. to allow him any money on account of commission. He Mr. SPOONER said that his question had not hem. tiered the commission would permit no further deviation yet answered. What he wanted to know lies, Mimosa, from the plan, or in the internal decorations. lie considered 2,600/. necessary fur the repairs ol a hui:diag fur whisk that it would be very discreditable to the simplicity et the 30,0001. hail Men so recently voted ? House of Commons if their house was so extravagantly deco- Mr. M. J. O'CONN ELL said teat the 30 0001. was Toted rated as the House of Lards. for new buildings which were yet in crone of construction V•scount Id ORPETH regretted that the member for Lan- This vote was for the repairs of the old building. cashire, who was one of the commissioners, was not in his The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explaion place, as he would have explained very much of which he that a vote would have been taken last year, but that so. (Lord Murpeth) could not give the particulars. He be- yeniment did not receive the estimate unt.l ant: the prom lieved the commissioners had all the functions which the gation of parliament. hen. member thought they ought to have. They had the Mr. LAW said that there was nothing in the 8 anal original Man before them, and were not able to sanction any Victoria coercing the house to support the present use. deviation from the plan, which w o u ld en tail addit.onal cost, That act provided for an expeneliture of 30,0001.; that ten without the sanction of the Treasury, and he had it in his was not as vet expended, and why ask fir another gnat? power to state that, with regard to the new Howe of Cum- (Hear.) lie should certainly oppose the este. mons, it was enti. ely arranged with the architect that its in• Sir D. NOItREYS thought that ell this dienunin sal tenor decorations should be of a very differenteharacter from confusion bed arisen from the Mingliter manner in which the those of the House of Lords. (Hear, hear.) As rewarded accounts were made out by the Board of Works. past alterations no blame amid be attached to Mr. Barry, Mr. GLADSTONE was sto see an iudicatien th at re and it was clearly shown that they were al cove - for the nve- pain of Mayneoth were likely to he an ennual chute of idence and improv .eneut of the keine. With regard to the 1,3001. It they were to have annual dimuseins of this kind schedule of pinces, they were alwm a modified on each renewal there would bean end to the Lope that Id heart h the u um of the contract. i Mayneot h discussions had been put au end to. R Sir D. NORREYS observed that the noble lord had log would suggest the pos:ponement of the vote until an mem; passed over the subject a veetalation. It waeicaportant that of thealready expendedand t . f money they should know whether Dr. Reid was as iehed with the future expense had been obtained. powers which were given to him. Mr. HUhIE had a dietiect recollection that the 30,0001. Viscount MORPETIi said the House of Commons and ad- was to be a final vote. Without further explanation In jacent apartments were entrusted to the ventilation of Dr should certainly oppose the grant. Reed, but the corridors and long passages were not to be The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said sliced under his care. The whole subj. ct '..111 under the that the year after the grant of 30,0001. a further supervision of the commission, and his own experience sum of 6401. was granted fee repairs, showing clearly c niviuced him that it would be beat to leave the matter in that .he original grant was not considered hush He could ths ir hands Lot, looking at the period of the session, contest to postpone Mr. URQUHART took some architectural objections to the vote, but would write to Ireland for estimates and de• the building. It appeared to him that they were verging tailed accounts. upon the Corinthian and lonic style of e mouton. (A large.) Mr. LAW should certainly refuse a hea d stun Mr. EWART mid it was admitted that the new house unless some detailed account of the money ady expendee would net contain the members, nor the division rooms ac- were furnished. commodatc the members likely to divide. (Hear, and Mr. MUNTZ remembered distinctly that when the laughter.) lie was told by the clerks that the light abed- 30,0001. was voted it was cmiected to cover all future u• lutny would not penetrate into their rooms, and as for the pones, and to put an end to all the unpleasant dshou room of the chairman of committees it would be almost iu which the house annually underwent respecting the Map utter darkness. He was entirely disappointed in the new north grant. houses, and he heartily wished they had never been built. Mr. HENLEY had also understood that the grant of 1845 If they had gone to S. Jon s's they would have saved the was to be final. lie thought tits: the house was at kat na:ion at least a mi ll ion and a half of money. entitled to an account of hew that money had been expanded Mr. H. DRUMMOND said, certainly this house was not be fore it consented to any lurther grant. - --- -.11 subjects as these. Members were Mr. SILEIE complained that no es ti m ates hod been salmi . for, when a hive minutes het ere a grant was pre posed for the repairs of ..Duhlin Cradle, but here detain* counts were called fur preliminary to a vote of 2,60 W. TM question of principle in this sate had been decided idles it 1846, a year after the 30,0001 vote, a further grant of nrA 7001. was acceded to for repairs. The :'O,OOOl. was • ballet. ing fund, and was not yet exhausted, but the present en was one for repairs. The house should recollect that 11. 30,0001. was all they had given to the catholic church, wale 36,0001. was give to annuals te the presbyterians. After a few words from Sir O. NUIttIETS, Mr. Low, sad Mr Gottieeas, the committee dis Wed. For the v,te Against it The next vote proposed was a i•um nt 30,0001., to defray the salaries and espences of the officers ut tee two houses al parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EX':IIEQUER said it ms right that on this vote he should state to the committee that the highest authority in the house—the Speaker—had sale his consideration, in 'conduit* with the reeommendat end the select committee, a scheme for the better arrangement this head of expenditure. and that scheme the right hon. gen tleman expected to ho able to submit for the adoption of pie liameot in the course of a very few days. Mr. HUME cemplained that tuough a sum was annual voted for the salaries and expenses of the House of Lords, their lordships had never coldenended to eupplyinformatios as to the amount of fees received in that home. He bwleli to ask the right hon gentleman who was chairman of the select committee whether they had taken any steps to Aga that information ? Mr. V. S aIITH said the commit•eo had not done so, ea• sidering it a delicate matter to interfere with what might le consider. d the priviiegn of the other house. He melee stood, however, the whole +object was at present smarm terenee to a select committee of the Lords. Dr. BOWItING baptised whether any orrargement bsi bee n mode for the payment into the ex:nip:ter of :ell ais fees received in that house ? Mr PARKER replied that this w - s one of the poets under the Sunk, consideraion. Mr. BRIGHT said he observed that the chairman of ties committess of the House of Lords received a salary d 2,5001., while the chairman wags and meant in test house only received 1,5001. He was of oeiaioa they taint to be made equal. Mr. HUMS suggested that, as brevist a were now dorm away with, the services of the counsel to the Speaker might well he transferred to the assidance of the chairman of wait and means in disposing of priveee Mr. V. SMITH drew attention to th large amount of its item for the expenses of witnesses attending upon commit tees. S. , me reduction oneht to he made under that hi no He found that the cost of the committee at Capt. Wlll case amounted to no es, a suet then 1,7971. The vote was then 'greed to. 42.7001. her salarie, and expenses of •he Treasure. Mr. B OSBORNE di net at ail object to the singe paid to ministers. It Was small enomtn for .he anxiety derwent and arduous duties they fad tee perforu ; but be cmuief he st object to was tothe to make a 0fh0.,... Lorals an ei a l i t i‘ h !.. T t t o ess th u e ry d ,: r n l a 2 l o : h Hr also c e , the pa) en. ot of 2.i00/. to S.r C. Teen Ivan for extra lolreur in tar nese of •re Irish rel , ef his service as mixer 10 year-. et.d ie religion to his nodes and this sum of 2,5001. pocket-money, paid he knew of ssi d wb th at at fu t n he hut the same might be sad of set raj ' • r situation s when i h t e ts h u ad . hb,,lkuidmwadepear.i..K.i.Cw.Bere. ,litrm,ighealeibe; those who tilled them did not receive tail. beyond their selarp (Hear, hear.) He should certainly take the sense of Inn house *i!!'!"l:`7l 2 e n .PT? er . i .`v h cfligdt le krti said ding upon .. The CHANCELLOR tithe BICH , __-- -- ibis was a particular and exceptional rose, is which o er; tuity was only d . erred reasonable and jt.st as a sob • approbation of the extraordinary exertions made and skald incessant labours which were undergone 134 Sir C. Trevelyle, The minute of the treasury by which the gratuity was ordea l would appear in the civil contingencie•• Mr. DISRAELI con.idered it was a vote c onceived is very bad taste. He did not deny the services done to tba state, but he did think t at a press cheralier like Sir C. Trevelyan, with his blushing hononts fresh upon him. o2 almost recoil from receiving a year's asliry as a gratuity. Mr. SPOONER would vote with the hon. member fal Middlesex against thus sum, which the government 00 04 to have paid without fir.t cocaine to the house. Mr. BRIGHT begged to kno w out of what feud it es paid, as well as the sum of 8,654.11. distributed to WW 2 officers and crews of her M.jesty's 0 t% y / the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER .0 1 d s. money had been paid out of the civil contingence+. .0. Mr. HUME complained of the irregularity of 00 e ; c: eding. If the coveri vocn t tho:ight Sir C. Trevtl/01,..s titled to this r eward they shout t have bought the 9 : 71 , before the house in a distinct vo te, an d it granted it beforeuffs have had a double value t o the party, whom greet ow. — he fully Omitted. • h uhf h.* Mr. GLABSIONE concurred ge-erally wit ~ member for Montroie that a vote ought to have bee''l e nutted to the house before the money was paid. 1 , 1; should be watched with greavr je.loasi than that 1 00 tuff s of the officers of otato, espeei.. ly such feu, ;0) should he held to cover all their service , . O ~ o ss lie admitted that this was an exceptiond case, ~_u` hos e, exceptional Max it should have been submitted to the ' ~ AU3S 15, 1848, U., oouti but t f o r ci g iver of th to Si 14. haw t 10; Cip SOU pEre; --a hr tO 3 no an evi du ell