The Express. — London, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 1101:SE OF LOIMS.—)MONDAY, Jrmv. 6. ' The Lout. CHANCELLOR took his seat at 6 o'clock. AFFAIRS OF THE EAST. The Marquis of CLANILICARDE gave notice that on k lqiday he would call attention to the affsin of the East. TILE MALTESE CODE. The Evl of SHAFTESBURY said that a rumour had reached this country of a revision of the Maltese code, in which terms were used very derogan ry to the church of Ragland and of all other churches except the church of Home. He wished to ask if it had reached this country ; and if so, whether the noble duke would object to lay it on the table ? If it had not been received, he wished to ask the noble dolts to give the house en opportunity of dinos aur it before it received the sanction of the government? The Duke of NEWCASTLE said the governor of Malta bad not yet sent the revised code to this country, but he would do so as soon as it could be translated and printed. Whether it would be necessary to lay on the table of the house the whole of the crimina! ehde he could not say; but as to the particular point to which his noble friend alluded, he would give him an opportunity of seeing the code before any steps were taken to confirm it. At the same time, without entering into the merits of the case, he must beg his noble friend not to allow his feelings to carry him away to this matter and induce him to take any rash step with reference to the alteration of the code, until he had made himself master of the whole bearing of the case, for he could assure him that on both sides a strong religious feeling had hems exhibited. EVIDENCE AMENDYENT BILL. On the motion of Lord BioVOHAM this bill was read a third time. WIIIC II WOOD FOREST BILL. On the motion of Lord STANLIT of ALDWILLEY this bill was read a eeennd time. THE WAR IN BURMAH. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH uked the governmeat for papers explanatory of the war in Burmah, and took that opportunity of condemning the policy, conduct, and ex penses of the war. Earl GRANVILLE said that the government had no further papers beyond those which had been already laid upon the table of the house. He might, however, state gig it was their wish to give every information's this t to the house, and as sown u any further despatches were received, and ready for promstatios, so ussemssary delay should take place in proosseMir Mom Under thew circumstances, he be might be emu s& fir isehisfse to follow the noble earl into the details to whisk he had drawn at tention. (Hear, hear.) P 'After a few words from the Ead of Albemarle, Lord Binumont, Earl Grenville, and the Earl of Elbsaborough, the ersivereation dropped. Thou lordships adjourned at a quarter put six o'clock. ROUSE OF OOMMONS.—McomatT,Jtarr 6. The BPRAII.II took the chair shortly beton four o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER took the oaths and his mat for the borough of Plymouth. PRIVATE BUSINESS. TutaD READlNGS.—Aberdeen Railway; Leominster Markets and Pairs; London, Brighton, and South Coast Railwa eeb Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford Railway (TaffVale); 'Ples Railway; Rooker's Disablilities Amoral ; Lands Improvement Company (No. 2; Bills. CONSIDZILATION OP BILLS ORDZZID TO LIE lIPON THZ TLlLl.—Chorley Improvement ; Cork and Bandon Railway ; and Holderness Railway ; Landon and North 1 Western and London and 131ackwall Railways ; London and North Western Railw (Crewe to Shrewsbury) ; New Roes (Free) Bridge ; Rochester Bridge; Saint Helen's Canal and Railway ; South Eastern Railway (Canterbury and Whitstable, dm.) ; South Eastern Railway (North Heat Railway to the Thames, &a.) ; South Eastern Rail way (Strood to Maidstone) ; United Guarantee and Life Amanita Company ; Warrington and Altriocham Railway (Stockport) ; Witham Drainage Second District; Bills. 81COND RHADlNoll.—Mean's (Brown's Trustees) Es tate ; Thames Embankment ; Bills. PIMLICO INIPRGVEMENT BILL. Oa the Maims for reading of this bill, Mr. WILLIAMS complained that no estimate or plan nal bees laid on the table of the intended works, and com *Waal 'moray of the sums expended on royal palaces, sad wildly of the large amount of 100,00 W. which had bees eltettly expended on what were Galled Pimlico Ins but which was, in fact, clearing sway of houses C= to Buckingham Palace. He objected to pro ▪ will the bill fill se estimate was produced. • MOLISWORTH eigdateed that the ex pe nse of Impenetexes in quietism well be biome by the Land Pas d Ow Crowe, and le ewe of tbe elegem of the bill ▪ eilleate end plea would be WI beim the hone.. • bill wee Am reed a semi demt. PUBLIC BIIIMII9B. BURT BT. ILDHUNDII ILECTICN. • • • WlLPliLiFireashoWilie report of the whet areandttee appointed to wy the polition aphid the return for the borough of Buy ft. limb. whisk elated that Jame Hoary Porteous I:lalior i !nA_, wee duly solarsed. 111.100 BLBOTION. _ Mr. DI VETT aseught up the ripen of Se Mot sew alias aptea t.Wy the sedge the NOM at the hst fee hip. The ownesiMse mated hot Charles Towneley, Eaq., was set duly slosh* to sane a pediment he the Immesh etilise; thst the lest &Won wee • void &Nis ; that Mlles Tawnier. Bet., Ime, tr 7 :n i xes, guilty of balmy sad train ; that it was that Sweetish Jaya O'Daseves, an alder man' of the him& of &go, wss bribed by IA. honer, lea., tabs walk possahe of s payment of 10111., • an ouneendlowelselies neesun to onsslara is pestles gle of be Ms "NA whim\ le bid peowded t, le Mr. Sem" sad ilat he of esassitnally obsealedilrkeedl; that it woo not pawed the sets bribery were haws es et mow timed by Cheeks Towneley, Neg. ; that the Whom of the Zama waft phials we asisslssi is • armee Iseeasis test with heir duty as =Wen of sad deeleuetive et freedom 'ldaho ea the pert of the deeloot. (Chsers.) ZISIONATION OF THE AMAX CATHOLIC 1111413111t3 OF THE GOVERNMENT. The hew being at this sesswit crowded, sad in evident expestaties el taterpsantisas," Mr. 0. H. ROOM rees sad mid—air, wig Ow mobil sea the masher he the City of Leaden la hie ples4l,lll se pat to his two guidons, of whisk I should ban gloss aides, bat that, aaferteastsly, I only sow the eserespea hese to which they rake within the hot two bears. Oa the Het of het math the sable lord nude a speak in this home whisk sot ealy exalted sass napriss hen at the Vas, bat whisk sprain to have iszsltsd stew reprise la seer cassabas if the revermiat. Far I lad la the sub tle man that • eerresposdasee has Won plus betimes Mr. Maassil tad Lord Absalom; sad, strangely 'sough, that essreipsndeaes is digmatly gives, sad the differsase is ea • nutter of sore imports:tee, la the news sad is the Yarning Chrosick. Mr. Monesll wits' to Lord Aberdeen thus :—" It appears that in the SOWN of a honed= opts the witistiestical manes ef Imbed, Lord Jahn Russell, who it the emu of the go venonsuit is the House of Cameras, spoke of the Boma Wiens skunk la • =saner whisk mothl set fail to be stun olbssive to the aissabsee that coutieweias. His lordship described, sot indl. vidul aunbon of the Hosea catholic dm* bat that shank itself, ' leader the direction of he heed,' as Kalil. to free institutions sad disloyal to civil ge versants, sad, therefore, the qualiAestion whisk his lord ship added to his atusare could not apply to say one who, like. myself, are Is deep sad thorough unity of seatineat sad spirit with that church end its head." To which Lord Aberdeen replies—" I bars to inform you that while the vote on that occasion (and by ' the rote' I suppose the oohs earl mew the vote which the noble lord the member for the City of Leaden aid not give—(laughter)—for I be- Ikea he did set vote at all) had the unction of the severs. mutt, the reasons for that vote gives by Lord John Buseell, •ed the sentiments of which you complain are not shared by me nor by any of my colleague." This is what the Mau givse-." nor by any tot my colleagues the Mornay Chro nicle gives it, " nor by many of my oollesgses." Now, I wish to ask the noble lord, first, whisk is the correct copy of Lord Aberdeen'sletter, that in the Timm, or that in the Morning Chronicle ? That is to say, whether it is by the whole or only by • majority of the government that the opinions of the noble lord are repudiated ? had, if the latter, who are those members of the government ? In else sound place, I wish to know if the House of Ocarina is now given to understand that only the votes gives by the noble lord the member for the City it London have the sanction 01 her Majesty's government, and that the reasons offered and the opinions expressed by the 'obis lord es the " leader " of the house may be repu diated, on all occasions, by the whole or by • majority of the government ? - . . Lord J. ILINISELL—With respect to the Brat question whisk the has. gestleneen has asked me, I have to state that I hays bees isfornted by Lord Aberdeen that there lass poctsat ealspriatia the letter edge which heves is the Tanen and that aisprist sonata in stating that certnia °Odom are not shared " by Nee or any" instead of " by ste or by many." The transcript in the Morning Chronicle is, therefore, correct. Bo far with regard to the Ant question the hon. gentleasa has asked. As to what members of the cabinet they are who share ay opinions and which Recaben of the cabinet do not, I an totally unable to answer the boa. 'estimates gaieties. I have °sly to say further, sad t►is shall be the answer to the lost question asked, that Lard Melbourne sled always to say—and I think that that was a very seseible opinion of hie—that it was emits sudsiest for the members of a primmest to agree on the coarse they should pursue, and that it was sot at all seeseeszy that they should agree is all the reams In that warn. INCONE TAX BILL—THIRD READING. Os the motion (the Chancellor of the Rechequer's) that ♦Be /seems Tan Hill should be read a third tins, Col. iLt/ECOTIRT called attentios to the seas of Cowes p 0" solland a grievous sear she imams t ees After some conversation, the hones divided — For the third math; g Against it On the question that the hill 110 pass, Sir F. K ELLY moved a clause to reduce the tax upon incomes between 100/. and 2001. a year feats lid. to 31d. in the pound, and upon incomes between 2001. and 3001. a mar to 81d. in the pound. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be was very sorry it was quite impossible for him to secede to the request of the right hoe; gentleman, that govern ment should take this clause Into consideration, and for reasons which were obvious. All persons felt that one great danger respecting the income tax was the exemp tions that it involved ; that there was a serious danger in the principle involved in these exemptions. If they once opened the door, they would find a vast number of parties whom the hon. gentleman did not contemplate attempting to rush through it. (Hear, bear.) The committee then divided ; - ------ ----- - For the clause - .... • 3l Agaiwit it The clause wu therefore lost. . ... Sir F. KELLY then moved another clause, namely "to deduct 5 per cent. from the amount of the tax paid upon all incomes under 4001. a year in respect of each child of the party paying, born in wedlock, and under 21 years of age and unmarried." This clause was negatived without a division. Sir A. CAMPBELL moved the following new clause: " In charging the duty under schedule A of this act, ic respect of lands, tenements, hereditament', and heritages, in S co tland, as allowance or deduction shall be made for the amount of all parochial and county rates, taxes, and as sessments, which by law or custom are paid by the owner thereof." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the hon. gentleman bad founded himself partly on the general argument, and partly on the ground of a special concession which he supposed was to be made to Ireland. The general ground had been discussed on a former evening; he had oppoeed a clause more limited than this, and it had been rejected by a very large majority of the house on the ground that it would be impossible to make the concession without =nettling the whole structure of the income tax. Upon that ground he was prepared again to oppose it. The house divided: For Sir A. Campbell's ....... • 54 Against On the motion of the Catexcu.Loa of the Excnencra three new clauses were added to the bill, in reference to deductions for poor rate paid by one party for another. Some verbal amendments were made in the other clause. On clause 43, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed the insertion of certain words in regard to assurance com panies. This clause could not come into operation till after the sth of October. That being so, and as there was a committee sitting on the subject of the registration of joint stock companies, he thought it better do take advantage of what remained of the present Stegall, in order to determine by some simple provision, to which he did not anticipate any objection, under what conditions exemptions should be allowed for the annual premiums. This would give no pre ference to one company over another, and would leave the matter quite open. After a short conversation the amendment was agreed to. On the motion that the bill do pass, Captain ARCHI)ALL asked whether the Chancellor of the Exchequer would make the allowance which the poor law commissioners promised should be made to the rate payers of Lowtherstown Union for the money paid by them under the Relief Act. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that as he understood the matter the advance was made under the Temporary Relief Act, and not under the General Re lief Act. It was said that the Poor Law Commissioners bed given an asearance that this money would be paid back, but they declared that they had given no suet ma rine!. After a few words from Mr. J. BALL sad Mr. Fauraw, The bill was read a third time, sad passed. GOVERNMENT OF INDIABILL.—ADIOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate on this bill being read, Mr. J. 0. PHILLIMOBE said it was with no ordinary anziety that he rose to empress his opinions on a q on the proper solution of which depended the hoppin= by far the larger proportion of their fellow.subjeets. Differing as he did from the right hon. gentleman (Sir C. Wood) in much which fell from his the other evening, than was one point on which he opal with him—namely, that, however theoretically Mod end anomalous the hems of our Indian govenumest might be sop. to be, still, if it had really promoted the posed and welfare of thou who were subject to its dominion, it ought not to be abolished ort ems altered. It; however, he were obis to slow lid bed failed in the discha rge of its @Mad ditlion,_ lbet sot through spiii ims les but owing to MIME lit lei Mu repeatedly eat by the grease& se wheel Wanes, . Pen Mr. Burke eat iheaville that stead that unigns onmrisese, as well a general sesessing, was in farm el the dinneneeme amen. He was reed/ to meet Ilts eight ben a the hese, whether the petast node of gewmaset had beim mesh* ad to tbs Man el Wis. 'Whoa the aorta wader the esselimas of the how, the right hon. geallomem the member hridialturgh, who propena the bill Ise isosememot, Mined espedelli on two points—the nesearity etengloples the me, see the necessity (the lawman e ns i r he tasted it) of a code for India. Tliv tight hen mn seid—"There is one part of the Wes VW Mat boo passed elsewhere, I feel massif Will he es say a few werdo. I allude to that wise, that that noble abase, which enacts that no native et our empire shell. by ram hie solar, his issesa, or his religion be dialled ken heldhe aka" New Mn bed been tbe Goode* of the Bea lan Con. pay sines that esp, so weeny of as selighissed a= was 1W ? - Wish how that time to this, sada el lan hest alined ea case to which he wee set oltible helm (Zan Inse.). Again, the Ogle his. geatimis (Mr. Illessal add so wassizy ever aced se each la need of a ale se Win ad be added— sad he (Yr. Maim* regeseled the Maths of the heese to this stalenisil—drit then sear was a esentry in whisk that seed mid he a mad anal. la &scri the Mb of the leer the Elgin hes ly . gesliones a bing dd, " The whole as smiler et saw Ives G this 'why we have had hashish et judasneie Mk whore then is every idea int ea litigate the ails el soil Rana ; but jedgemode law. where these is MAO p • eeemesat sad lea nonlity—wbeee dare is as her Who poblis—is a am mil a seasiel set to be osiereL" ifew. Met wee the eswestary this teat ? of the ma able ivC mash of the crown tend this thee ashen had bees dm and that when he eiwe reasseheans and re- to tiedikeetses, the only elle* was that be rushed a enuring onswer, and was told to take Went miaow Halls • maid. These was no port of the igl t her. Igmasmaa's (lik C. Wood's) veldt * whisk he Isisetwitit so wadi gergeise smiggleatign that in whisk be Nabs et the *rat* of Se law In India. Wtefibe whole snide* in a Oaken manes, the . gentionwin sold no dank lbere woes abases of the Ifer r laglia.4kees woes Awes of that idol is ail essiakke. nil *AIM etie elegb age eagembsd hi cir e kw abases want le M wdei ai In &sea orb* sdbe. as he had been inionmal by a judge. Whs.* Mk this last statement had palely aluMniesd the sdeilMes. den of law ia this esualey. (flosw. lqic.) pfr. Hob Ploolmnals said Ilmajlest is geognetkw *Orley had beam indhsesd la India hod doe people NOW ; and he (MA; Pliiiimere) Wined that if any ahem of * same Ids' were dissoeseedin lighad the whale iteggle7 would be is a r.=sad peelimamit mud& Weems Am *own for tbe if the M. robs hal boss guilty of it. Mr. Lewis mid *re wire are mete brook at Maim who wen sot o i •p tr einit Arthaelles whisk they bat who had bees of ash whisk rendered them salt to be trusted wit the life of • lea. (Laughter.) In one ease there wu a document, emmiesing of a side and a half of foolseap, in which it was Alder* that one man was to be hanged, another to be tramparted, and a third to be set free ~ because there was net a wedge of evidence against him." (Laughter.) Sash was found to be the spelling of the word. The judge bad evidently not examined the do cument to whisk be Washed kis name. In another cue— a cam in whisk ama we by a nabob in an affair of sessante—the sensate by the nabob's wife were admitted as evidence. Many of the cases in India were of such a nature that if they wanted anything like • parallel they must look for it in the °mime of Cicero against Verres. The question was not one of refinement or comfort, it was one of existence. The right honourable gentleman, when compering India under native rule with the peewit government, bad gone to the period buss distely preceding one invasion, when the country was torn and convulsed. sad had not alluded to the time of Akbar when it was contented and happy. He might as well hays gone to the days of Attila for an account of the Augustan era. Suppose the Hindoo were to refer as to Europe in the 17th century, to the times of the Regent Orleans, et Leak XV., of Catherine of Russia, or to the inosstnons court of Berlin, or more recently to ohs sack of Wusaw, the parti lieu of Poland, or the still freshly remembered ' horrors of the French revolution t (Hear hear.) Did not the house think that in sail events • Hin doo might find counterparts for the worst seises in the history of his own country 1 (Cheers.) The next question to which he should allude was the tenure of land, a question respecting which it was scarcely passible to eraggerate the difficulty. With respect to the land, the But India Company had assumed all the rights of the na tive proprietors, while, at the same time, evading all the duties. The settlement of Beegal in '93 was perhaps adopted from good motives, but it laid been adopted in ignorance, and had ended in complete failure. It was called • permanent settlement, but each were its elute that at the present moment only ono family rem** that bed signed the compact, all the rest hairier bees ruined or totally destroyed. Mr. Mill condemned the settlement of 113 as having rained both the Zemindars and the rye% dr latter b.lag in a state of utter poverty and degradation. With OS the state of this same Bengal previous to osf ids is wadi quote the testimony of Mr. Holwell, a blkinerieller, who described it as the beet ordered and mi ...i of India, and the only one that *lmbed tril W= of the old Hindoo system. At *gems* =r there was the one level of uniform mien in the een in the world, under the Übe* pew ee the house was sow g e Siam At Madras they had Ihe 3= the great defect o f which was nee eslisiner was to unlit terms with 300,000 ryote, sad there could Is he bower deep of human degradation thus the audition .111edras :yeti under the sway of Madras collectors. ___lll°Xblsh4:::_,,drubeen introduced t t Bombay h obliged te of INOOMIInr La the portb-westera plosion an entirely THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 7, 1853. different system had been established. One fact would speak volumes as to the prosperity of the country under the company's management. It was that during the last fourteen years sixty millions of arrears of rent had been remitted to Ike inhabitants of India. (Hear, hear.) Of the question of public works, a most eminent civil servant had said that the gmblic fiends were waste.' and misapplied, end that half a Million*roperly laid out would have produoed better results thin any they could exhibit. Having quoted the opinions of 1112. Burke, Mr. Macaulay, and Lord Grenville, as hostile 110 - Ma of the company, the hon. and h learned mosher proceeded to say, that now the patronage of the was to be taken away, but the evil was to remain. 717eri I gK t hon. gentleman being about to take away every thing that was essontial to a government, allowed the coma pony to remain as a sham with that irresponsibility which was the oleengott incentive to tyranny. When the right bon—member bid been told that the system of Indian government was anomalous, he answered that our Indian empire was itself anomalous. Why, if that were es, it was the more necessary to get proper men to administer the government. (Hear, hear.) But the right hon. gentleman said that the empire was =omelette, and therefore the government must be anomalous aim. The right hon. gentleman was not even original in that, es they all remembered to have seen in Boswell's "Johnson," w Who drives fat oxen must himself be fat." (Hear, boar, end a laugh.) He begged of the right hon. gentleman to pause before ha renewed the present system of government' and if he should persevere, he (Mr. Phillimore ) trusted that he would not receive the support of the house. Sir J. W. HOOO began by claiming the indulgence of Hie house, upon which he should not have trespassed had the ordinary course been adopted with respect to this bill. But the course of the hon. member for Manchester, in not 'sly arguing against the double system of government, but M preferring a frightful bill of indictment against the &deal- Wanton of that government, rendered it necessary that In should, in self-defence, trouble the house at some length. There appeared to be some division of labour. The bon. smother for Manchester had brought forward the indict ment. and the different counts were divided among other gentbusen, and the honourable and learned gentleman who had just sat down had taken the department of Mw and calculation. His right honourable friend bad urged strong and cogent reasons for immediate legisla tion. That was the opinion of every witness who had been examined, and every person competent to give en opinion, and it was use the opinion of Lord Dalhousie. The hon. member for Manshester repudiated the authority dLsed Delhounie, sod loud that hu authority was of no Pohl r?dgit Ibis foe other person's. He believed that an me list the hen. gmliessan would make such an asser tion. The hon. mowslior for Manchester had asked for delay Maw a committee se the subject was sitting. That might at Set sight appear to be a reason, but everyone who heard the speech of the hon. gentleman knew that he did not Wu to a tittle of the evidence of any one witness, or to any dooseasst produced before that committee. His speech eanieted of shreds and patches, bite which he had read in eke pamphlets and magazines, and the evidence of witnesses be nos before the territorial committee, bat before the Mims committee, four years ago, over which the hon. umber presided; he referred to periods long past, and to Maim which occurred long ago, one so long since as 1702, sad to periods prior to the rule of the Bart ladle Company, and when the war with Tippoo was raging. The honourable gentleman had indulged in speede d.a as to how his right honourable friend had got up his speech, and be (Sir J. W. Hogg) would speculate on the manner in which the hon. gentleman had got up his speech. It appeared that those with whom the bon. gen tleman was associated got hold of anything in any book or pamphlet against India, they caught up the stigma and cut it out and sent it to the hon. gentleman, who strung it all together, and, to use a favourite ex pression of the be.. gentleman, that formed the "hoes poens" of the getting up of his speech. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) Lelia was not a soled book. There was no act or pomading in relation to India which was not public ; there was not one rupee spent or received which was not regularly *cemented for. Papers were published relating to every transaction; there had been debates, committees on salt, on duties, on cotton, on steam, and on every subject in which India was concerned, and the aggregate of the information contained in papers and reports tilled 63 folio volumes—and yet they were told that India was • sealed book. (Hear.) If the details were not known, the failure was not from the want of means of information, bat from the want of industry in these who had it in their power to acquire it. He did not wish to raise alarm, but he conscientious) y believed that if there was any delay in legislation it would spread doubt, mistrust, and apprehension over India as to the future, and force into mischievous activity the worst elements of inse curity. Therefore, whatever was the !legislation, he hoped it would be prompt and immediate. The hon. member for it eatheater had said truly that the main question was the system of double government. He (Sir J. W. Hogg) Limin that, and it was bemuse he agreed in principle of double government, that he should vats for the introduction of this measure. The hes. member for Manchester had pointed out objec tions le a double government. A favourite expression of BM les gentleman was that double government was a men dais i that it caused delay and obstruction in carrying on the gemonient ; and that there was no responsibility any where. He (Sir J. Hogg) would state boldly and broadly that under the existing system the practical government of India rested with the Court of Directors. Every measure urinated, and must originate, with the Court of Er lees. Divided as it was into three separate eon every measure pared through • committee, It was investigated, and then was cosaidere d W Se court, after which it went to the President of the Nod of Control who hid power to alter it. But he could she mike alterations capriciously, but must state his res. stes for any alteration in writing. Was not that a restraint an the; President of th e Boar d of Control, to prevent the possibility of the least alteration, unless it was such 111 meld meet with support from the home and the country P Of all the despatches that finally passed the Court of Direc- tors net do per cent. were altered by the Psoldest of the Mudd Control, and those alterations Win fiddly verbal. It wee toe that in what were odd " P.C." despolies, or this. ea which then had bees prnioneommunioadess, the alemations wore ; Fame NM dhy per ant. The holy whichreg ulated' the hedge dies of a state mod nemiesally have paraissost mind and sod operate lordly i that was the use is regard to this oustey t and that was the um is UHL The he.. gentleman ought to hoes that the bathe of the meet imeiwittee were ended N=.lz= 4 , ,7 ", "a vai l = t a r : W.6. opm y of 34 with seek mottle, those being mat ters remikkg impish es/ maw with a view to the publie . To base mother system Om that which sentia l;smis prevailed wool be en moo If the greatest embarramiest to her Ildeety's goomment, ad would Mdse s to a cm teaks piiipaily °MINA ell a• public iatessele. The great boasit—sod here he me pwNett the onindes tapes the Weeded and highest memde--arisisg boa the arable geormient of Uhl our this. that it Mgt the goveramest of , liedia has hots polhied him. (Hoer, Um.) Hy a dos• lid germanised ahme odd sash a result be seemodiebod t of that be was Milled. Wee them my other tido of the BOW desolation goosed without pdilled bin ? kllonotherity of Lord lifsebessogh had loses to whit hide milisesmost. But, wee the oh a ms of he recalled Governor. led ia oggodies to * Om wea to be offered the of Lod Illeshmugh hefts he woe ap rated Cismoonwheand (The ben Wind poloodd meets die miles gives by lard Men brourn is VIA as Whisk be spoke in high Mon of the thea asinthodin. pond do emir, and wordsl the Cod of Bfraeliss, red dialed to say change.] - Wdl. this woo he warm to the ben.: man's (Mr. Bright%) mom And the hew My esonblog of nerdy of bodes and brisiren. (Hear, bor.) Seim end boon I Is wend have boss Ma shhad at my mu* of that beam miring at beakers sad booms t hot sob a neer cams with the least grace from thee. b. member hr Manchester. (" Hear, hear,' sad krighter.) The Mostar' were also told that their p ahem. had bees abused. His answer was a refer ee* to Lord Elleabseough's opinion in 1833, Lord Elienborough having then declared that the patronage of the directors was most equally distributed. But he would not step there : be would, on this occa sion, reply to the general attacks which had been made an Ohio mkt, and, amen others, he would include the hnZllof Captain Meemegeee pamphlet. He held in :1 return laid Wm. the committee ; he would sokr to no domande while bad not been laid been the mosaittee ; every bet smslier could go to the original mob for his anuenesse; but he would like to know Where thch ware es hunt he the ben—enter of the hon. member for Ztsinkestat f This was a roars of the results of the =W WI patronage, and has this it ansarO that only one-third et tie whole military polinage of India went to the sons of Orilia milifasy seilisie. (Hear, hear.) As to the she ow& dist was whet really was valuable, the wall amendado fs rehtstion of the position Y i l i tirbes. woke IN desshisior. There had been 688 dell appebtmentishise link; be Omsk this from the records of the Isillahosee—nd of them there had been given thatithe elm ad pissi k authors. ad the relati roe of l jos of ameba, lit t to the me of military servants, 110 ; and the mikes, HA hail boos given generally and in s dihrestly em mug the mod= of misty. This be thought wo a Slalligill moor to the &serge of Weir dherfkilha of phoney. The binsinable member be llembeitir had also referred a good deal to the vest madermais of the civil service. He held in kis hand as &hotrod ea this paint, sad he would tell the house the &vermin. The avenge emehtmenb m five years' service, 4701. par annum. Oa he um mpg net 'media' Pik _9IU. Ihisedisi ten years and set snood. izZ s eLI. t and dm. Moo year, 2,84.4 con. shwas and the noses involved is the kit fhb muds. g onaddedsg also the ability 2 1 1 . br im illySil the deers deersdeerswhlsh eharadided the 1111111111. NM k • semot the gown Om their solo Oustry, Olinda the service, be omilmled hit Om emoluments WWI as the whole taker: to the esempaillas sumbroals to the eserespondlig stations in lido . (Hash holm) Vairabtedly, hewer, this me alMmllea 4111 tend'. Ito 11.11•1111101 not worked ivill duo was awe Swift ittsh the Minatitution. He siikliiiii that the MO puha the system, and in peof of Hid dhoti imilmbi the hoses by imitating the lon, memanilt ibrifilighinene aid entering into minute de. tails, he wedl PIA* MS Wm; satisfactory figures. Then had boo • gori isemilla sr territory since 1833. The arms of thit somilin omennted to 267,013 square mike; siasequeler, II of 8,672,606. He gave IMO Ina and been he wished to an the all the increased re ins. had arises bum ineroased territory. In 1834 the am mum wiss j i ni. In 1861 the gross revenue Insitymmt, an increase of nearly 9,000.000!. Row amok of eat 9, arose from the contributions of sew territory ? Why, no less than 2,000,0001. i but he would take the aggregate at 2,000,000 1 ., and he wo uld then ha to account how and whence the increased 7, 00 0. 0301 . was derived. But it might be said that the increased re venue was get from increased taxation. Nu such thing, however. Many taxes, since 1833, had been entirely abolished; and a large number had been considerably re clean. The export duty had been removed from cotton, coffee, and other materials ; and the transit duties, which used to be a large item in the accounts, had been entirely done away with. Then, the salt tax had been reduced 25 per cent. g and thus it was shown that increased ue had gone on with decreased taxation. (Hear, hear.) Well, if this was so, if they were to take in India the tests applied to every other country, was he not justified in concluding that India had prospered (Hear, hear.) There were, however, other tests not to be overlooked. The house had heard a good deal of declamation to the effect that the land in India was going out of cultivation ; that the land was falling back into ;eagle. What were the facts? In the North Western provinces of Madras, and in Bengal, the revenue from land had been, in 1833, 9,115,4121. ; and in 1831, it was 12,075,4791.; showing an increase of re venue from the same territory of 2,960,0671. The increase of revenue from opium, in the same period, was 2,305,6011. ; from salt, 86,3751. ; from customs, 206,4281. ; making alto gether on increase of 5,557,4741. ; leaving an increase of revenue derived from other sources of 1,442,6261. ; which made up the sum of 7,000,0001., to which he had referred. After such facts as these, ought the house to hear any more of the misery, and destitution, and backwardness of India ? (Hear, hear.) It might be said all this was artificial pros perity, that there had been a starving people notwith standing the flourishing revenue. He would take the tents illustrating that point. Take the imports into India : In 1834.5, 6,154,1291.; in 1849- 50, 13,696,6361. He would like to know in what other part of the globe such a progress was to be traced. Then, the exports: in 1834.5, 8,188,1611.; in 1849450, 18,283,5431. ; being an increase of 10,000,0001. in 20 years. This was as tounding; the figures exceeded anything he could have conceived. (Hear, hear.) And this had all been accom plished by India herself, and by the policy of the court of directors ; not only without the aid of the English govern ment and of the English parliament, but in spite of obstacles presented by parliament. (Hear, hear.) Year after year, for long years, the East India Company had petitioned that house in vain to do justice to India by the removal of discriminating duties. (Hear, hear.) Cotton goods, for instance, had gone to India en a duty of 5 per cent. from this country ; but a duty of 62 per cent. was levied, as a prohibition, against Indian manufactures. (Hear, hear.) In vain, for years, had the East India Company demanded a fair and equitable commercial tariff from this country in regard to sugar and to rum. Only the other day had they got those duties equalised ; and what had been the testate ? In 1835, the year before the duty was equalised, 107,476 cwts. of sugar were imported from India into Great Britain. What was the ge imports into this country from India in 1861-2 ? 1,390,188 cwt. If they had had that ad vantage a Log time back they would have had a cones ponding increase ; but they (the House of Commons) kept it back. Again, there was the ge importation of rum before the equalisation 128,000 gallons. Banco the equali sation it bad been 685,000 gallons. He left out the odd figures. He believed his right hon. friend gave them the Increase of cotton. Well, now, in 1806, during the time of the monopoly of the calumniated body of which he had the honour to be a member, in 1806 the exports from India amounted to 1,460,0001. in vales; and in 1814, the duty being then 62} per cent., there were imported into Great Britain from India 967,652 piano( calico and muslin. With silks and taflhas be would not trouble the house, but the increase was equal. He remembered on a former occa sion, when presenting one of the petitions in that house which were presented in vain, he heard an account of the misery and desolation in provinces in which the people and their fathers before them had maintained themselves by their industry in the manufacture of cotton, and from the exercise of which they had been driven, not by competition, for he admitted that steam power in this country would have that result ; but he heard of the misery and desolation of provinces, particu larly in the Deccan. And, observe, it was not in India as it was in this country, where even a handloom weaver, if he lost employment as • , could turn his attention to something else. Not so in India. In that country a trade descended from father to son for hundreds of years. Trades were mixed up with religion ; and if they took a trade from a man, they took from him that by which alone he got his living, and desolation throughout these provinces was the melancholy result. They then never heard of the lamentation ; there was none of the philanthropy which now prevailed. Well, now, observe the case with India. Had England prospered ? England bad not equally advanced with India. In 1814, which was the first year of what, as regarded India, was nicknamed free trade, when everything from England could go to India and nothing from India could come to England—(" Hear, hear," and laughter)—the British cotton manufactures exported to the East Indies amounted to 109,4871.; in 1849-50, the last year he had, they had increased to 4,421,9201. Had Blanchester any reason to complain? (Cheep.) Well, had the shipowners any reason to complain? In 1834-5 the British shipping amounted to 220 vessels amount ing to 108,870 tons. In 1849-60 the vessels had increased to 425 and the tonnage to 2.32,153. Both the number of vessels and the amount of tonnage bad almost, without a fraction, doubled in the twenty years. Where was that to be equalled ? He should like any gentleman to name any other part of the world where the increase had been as great. Even Amities, where the hen. member for Man chester had carried his imagination, had not increased equall7. The hon. gentleman could not help referring to America. " Oh," said the hon. member, "if India bad fallen into the hands of America how happy would it have been." Well, he would tell the hon. gentleman the result. The result would have been that the whole people of India would have been slaves. Slavery had been abolished by British rule. Mr. BRIGHT rose and attempted to speak, but his voice was drowned amid loud cries of " Order, order." Sir J. W. HOGG proceeded. He did not mesa to say that the hon. gentleman wished India to be under America, but the hon. gentleman said if India had been under Ame rica there would have been prosperity there which did not exist now. Mr. iflflGHT—Traversed by roads. Sir J. W. HOGG said he did not want to have a discus sion about phrases. The point of the hon. gentleman, if he had any point, was that India would have been more pros perous under the Americans. He (Sir J. W. Hogg) wanted to show that India would not have been better under America, and he said that perhaps they would not have had slavery abolished, and slavery was now abolished. Well, he had given them the export; from Great I Britain, and he would now give them the ex port. from India. In 1834-5 they amounted to 4262,3811., in 1849.50 to 7,678,98 W., an increase from two millions to seven, omitting the odd figures, upwards of three times the amount. That showed how hard it was to please the hon. gentleman. The hon. member said there had been a great increase of exports, but that the whole or the greater portion of the increase consisted of cotton pods. That was a funny complaint to come from him, but he (Sir J. W. Hogg) admitted that in the very breath in which the hon. gentleman made that complaint he assigned a reason for it. He said soden were very cheap, and that the little the native raquisri he Na peme nt was pur chased for a trifle, and Mentheeter mud it cheap. Ile (Sir J. W. Hogg) did not towpath of that, but when that was explained the hew gentleman still was not satisfied, and never would be. (Cheers.) He believed in his ormedemes if anybody could inflict ea the hew gentleman the haw of welshed= sad con tentweed be would be the dewed mass fre enleMmee. The bus. member could not asks say mese about imports and exports is India, but he said, " ase what we send to the Brazils." He (Sir J. W. Hogg) thought the House of Commons and the member for Manchester might be satis fied if they dealt with the finances of India, and the finances of this country, and they might leave the Brazils to settle their own affairs themselves. He had now told them shortly and chiefly the result of their fi nances, without going into detail. Ile bad got the details, but he had given the result during 20 years. The next thing was what was their state in 1850.1. At the very time when there was every temptation to put a good face on it, and they had a great anxiety, as:well u interest to maks their affairs ap pear well, what was the sketch estimate of 1851.2 ? There was a deficit, but the result was a surplus of half a million, and that surplus after paying the expenses of the Burmese war. But were they going backwards; what was the re sult of the present war ? What was the sketch estimate of 1852.3? The hon. member for Manchester was perfectly correct in the amount he gave of the . The sketch estimate gave a total for the current year of 22,22,82,626 rupees that was 29,228,2821. The charge amounted to 26,317,5264 showing a surplus of 2,910,7261. (ftheers.) But remember that India paid, and always had paid, • heavy tribute to this country. But after allow ing for that tribute the estimated surplus for the current year was nearly half a million, in cluding the estimate for the Burmese war. He said a little while ago that if they prepared figures in different cycles. unless there sou something consecutive, that way of patting them would confound anybody, and, above all, an assembly to whom they were addressed. The hon. member asked whet was the cue in 1835, again after five years, and again five years after that ; but he did not conclude, be admitted, with the extravagant statement made by another hon. mem ber when he spoke of the bankruptcy of India. His idea of bankruptcy must have been a whimsical one. When the boa. member for Manchester spoke of the increase of the debt what was the use of it ? No we at all. If they had shown simultaneously with an increase of debt an increase of intelligible about it. The revenue had increased in pro portion, notwithstanding all the wars, and the proportion of debt to revenue was greater than at any period the hon. member had dwelt upon, as he thought, so triumphantly. The revenue is now 29,000,0001. Ia 1834, the total debt, including the bond debt, was 38,086,0001. Now, in round, figures, it was 60.000,0001. There they had an increase in twenty years of 15,344,0001. The Increase in revenue was in an infinitely greater proportion. In 1839, after some iears of peace, the debt was only 31,900,0001., and the ncome from 1839 to the present time was 18,812,0001. He mentioned that to show what India could do in time of peace and what India suffered in time of war. But who was responsible for the war in 1839—was it the court of directors ? (Mr. Bright: No.) No, said the hon. member for Manchester ; he cleared the court of directors. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Bright.) He believed they dis approved it, but if that were so, if the minister of the crown were responsible for that war and for all the wars, was it not a strange mode of remedying the evil to take away the power from the court altogether, and to give it to that power which caused the want (Cheers.) The Affghan war was not an Indian war; it arose for Euro pean purposes, and it ought to have been defrayed out of European resources. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Bright.) Well, then, restore the 16 millions that it cost—(laughter)--- seaters that 16 millions, and then call on them as loudly as they pleased to diminish taxes and to i ce s public works. But oppressed with debt, not oppressed, because they could not say a man was oppressed by debt who had the means ot plying, and what was a debt which did cot absorb two cue income. The Duke of Wellington was gone, his voice was no Idiger beard in the walls of parlia ment, no longer would he guide the councils of his sovereign and his country, but his wisdom would long sur vive, and he would read to them what the Duke of ellington said when a question similar to that raised by the hon. member for Manchester was discussed. The duke said, I will not presume to say how many millions of people you govern. You have an annual revenue of twenty millions, and notwithstanding all the wars you have been engaged in, its debt at this moment amounts only to forty millions, being no more than two years' revenue. I do not say that such a debt is desirable ; but at the same time I do say it is a delusion on the people of this country to tell them it is a slur on the proceedings of a government which has carried on the afar/ of the government with so much success." He had told them the cost of the Burmese war. ft great deal had been said about whit would be the ex pense of that war. At first it was said the cost would be 150,000/. a month. The cost was 30,0001. When the far ther troops were sent, the estimated cost was 50,0001. a month. lie believed the extra cost would not much exceed 100,0001. lie held in his hand the estimate for the Bur- mese war for 1852-3. The estimate was a little above 000,0001, the whole expense of the Burmese war. The hon. member made one complaint about the debt. Ile said they borrowed money to pay their dividends in England. Suppose they did ; surely ho did not complain if they had not money to pay their divi dends, that they should borrow it. They liked to be honest. But the hon. member was quite wrong, as the dividends were the first charge on the Indian revenues ; and if the dividends were the first charge upon 20 millions, how could they say they borrowed money to pay the dividends ? Mr. BRIGHT—I said you borrowed as much as would pay the dividend. Sir J. W. HOGG—They did not borrow money to pay the dividend. The hon. member said it for effect ; but his desire was to take away the effect and to state the thing simply and in an unglossed manner. It had been said why were the dividends a first charge, and why should they be paid out of the territorial revenue ? He said it was fair, because when the compromise was made it was estimated, but the amount of commercial assets spent in government expenses far exceeded any amount that would be caused by the payment of dividends. On this point ho would read to them a considerable autho rity. Whea something similar was said in the House of Lords, Lord Bllenborough said the East India Company gave to India, to its territorial revenue, in diminution of its charges, a great part of the result of its commercial assets. He thought India had no reason to complain of that. The hon. and learned gentleman had said his right hon. friend had glossed over the question of land tenures. He (Sir J. Hogg) did not think so. It was true his right hon. friend had not gone into all the details of those tenure', and God forbid he should. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) But the hon. and learned gentleman had made the most extraordinary complaint, not of the Court of Directors or of the local government of India, but of that which was the whole system of Asia The hon. gentleman said, " Why you derive your whole revenue from land." To be sure they did; and it was the custom not of India only, but throughout the earth—(bear, hear) —and the hon. gentle man must recollect that one of the political economists he had himself quoted said that this system of drawing the revenue from land was the best system of revenue in the whole world, for under that people in effect paid no taxes, the revenue being collected in the shape of rent. He had heard and read much of late about tenures in India, but he had heard no single argument nor received a single suggestion which he did not find more powerfully put forward in the minutes and reports of the government and public servants at the very time that this tenure was formed. It had been the fashion, he knew, to say that Lord Cornwallis settled this question of tenures rashly, and that he sacrificed the rights of the ryots. That was not true Whatever might be the opinion as to Lord Cornwallis's acts they were not taken without due consideration ; and certainly the rights of the ryots had not been sacrificed, for no ryot could be re moved from his holding while he paid a fixed government rent. But then it was said there was an annual revision, and the consequence was that the ryot did not know in any one year what he would have to pay in the next. It was true there was an annual revision ; but the object of that was that the ryot should not be called upon to pay for land which, from any cause, was not cultivated, and that allowance might be made in cases of drought and other circumstances which occasioned him loss. It had been asked by the hon. and learned gentleman why not extend the north-western system to Madras and Bombay ? Let the hon. and learned gentleman ask Sir G. Clerk, Mr. Halliday, and others, who had spent the greater portion of their lives in India. Had the hon. gentleman the experience of those authorities who were asked the question before the committee he would not have asked the question, but it was knowledge stone that made a man conscious of his ignorance. (Hear, hear.) Mr. PHILLIMORE begged the hon. gentleman's par don. (Order, order.) He wished to explain. (Order, order.) He had not asked that question. Sir J. HOGG—If the lion. gentleman did not say so, he had misunderstood him, but he had taken down his wo rds, and certainly understood him to ask the question wh y . the north-west system was not extended to Madras and Bom bay. Mr. PHILLIMORE—What I did say was that it was a proof that the old system was wrong, inasmuch as they adopted a different one in the new proviaces, but I never dreamt of saying anything so absurd as that the north western system should be extended to Bombay and Madras. _ _ Sir J. HOOD contended there was a system of revision in connexion with this tenure. By the law of India every Hindoo family was • joint family, and the tenure was joint, and when the man died each member had a right to his un divided share, so that the tendency of the tenure was always to subdivision, but this was • system which while it was well adapted to a rude state of society, was not suited to a more advanced stage of civilisation. The hon. member for Manchester referred to canon. Upon that subject he would touch very briefly, for there had been a committee over which the hon. member presided, of which he (Sir J. Hogg) was a member, and in the report of which he was happy to say he, together with the hon. member for Manchester, fully concurred. That report described the exertions which the India Company had made to advance the cultivation of cotton in India, sometimes with more and at others with less success ; but after all the question of the cultivation of cotton in India was one of market and of price. (Hear, hear.) The In dians cultivated cotton for their own use and for exporta tion to Chins, but they did not ship it to this country be came it was well known that the market here de pended upon the goodness or badness of the crop of the United States. If the United States crop was bad there was • market here for Indian cotton, but if the United States crop was good there was not. If it was really desired to encourage the growth of cotton in India, why did they not make the market certain, as was done in the case of indigo, the grower of which knew before hand, that if he laid oat a certain quantity of land in the growth of indigo, he was sure to be paid for his labour, and the charge of cultiration. Sir T. Munroe, at the bar of that house, had said that the cultivation of grain in India was more profitable than that of cotton. Then the ques tions of income and revenue were inseparably connected with the question of the cultivation of cotton, but if in place of debating and discussing the subject in that house Man chester intelligence and 3laaehwter capital once found its way to the cotton growing distriets in the neighbourhood of Bombay and other pens of India, and ensured • fair price to the cultivator, cotton would be cultivated in precisely the same way that indigo was. At the same time it must not be lost sight of, that until they had • railway to Bombay, the met of bringing down the cotton to the plam of shipment would operate to a con siderable extent against its successful cultivation. The hon. member for Manchester also said that as they bad heard nothing of the condition of the 'yen in Bengal, they were doubtless worse offthan they were in Bombay, and he founded his statement on the reports of Indian newspapers. He would refer the hon. gentleman to an authority of the same description, the Calcutta Review, which in a recent article said that what struck the eye on passing through Bengal was the °inherent fruitfulness of the soil, the total absence of anything like want or famine, end the comfort and contentment of the villagers. (Hear.) Then the honourable gentleman dwelt on the salt tax. That was an onerous tax no doubt, but it was the only tax the people paid. The honourable gentleman said the duty had increased, the revenue had diminished, and the consumption had fallen off. But how was it pos sible for the consumption to have fallen off while the reve nue had increased with a reduced duty? (Hear, hear.) But the hon. gentleman might have informed himself better on the subject had he taken the trouble ; for the same mail, and he in the same envelope, that brought the paper o the 14th of April, from which he quoted, brought the number of the same paper of tke 21st; and there, under an article similarly beaded—the consumption of salt—the editor wrote, " It has been pointed out to us that our re turns of last week on the consumption of salt contain a mistake so serious as to vitiate all the conclusions we drew from them. (" Hear," and laughter.) Yet such were the foundations on which the hon. member for Man chester founded his speech. The next point raised by the hon. gentlemen he would not dwell upon, as they world have a discussion embracing the revenue raised from opium —the manner in which it was raised—the cultivation of the poppy—and the morality of the opium trade. They had already had a report on that subject, and they gathered from that document the fact that a very large revenue was drawn from the cultivation and export of opium, and their belief that the same amount could not be drawn from a less objectionable source. It was reported tbat the culti vation was about to be legalised in China; and should that report turn out to be true, it must affect the finances of India considerably. This ought to be considered before they talked of transferring India wholly over to the crown, because when that was done they would have to take upon themselves all the debts, the guarantees, and other liabilities for which the India Com pany are now liable. He apprehended that, should that event take place, and the from the export of opium cease, there would be but little chance of proem' ina very rapidly with public works and improvements. He did not know if the hon. member for Manchester saw the papers laid on the table at the period of the China war. If be had he would have found the question of political economy touched upon—amongst others by Commissioner Lion, who pointed out the impropriety of the Chinese importing opium while so many districts of China were suited to its cultivation. Much had been said with respect to public works, and he would, therefore, state briefly the result of what had been done. There was the great public trunk road from Cal cutta to Peshawar, 1,423 Who in length, and costing 1,m;0/. a mile. There was the trunk road to Agr sn ,s there was the ro a d f rom M a d ras to B ombay, which cost a million. In all there were 3,159 miles, the estimated nearly acolgettebde,witornid of which was 2,166,0001., and the estimated repairs 99 "- A great deal of all this had already been made, and the rest was in progress. Of canals there was the Ea s t ' ,; k e e i si d e ha n ra o , d saw, h_b:ea : ait at West Jutuna, SSO miles. and the Ganges 810 17 which bad cost upwards of a million a ga nd half, of which 780 , 0001 . had already been expended. Then- was likewise another canal 4SO miles long, which cost h a lf Ron. memberf end the for P .m.o r t e mea s on i e d tcol e oir i n efs t att: o hr f : seu t exi h epw e i ß : o dof COR a million. In Madras there were works of irrigation i the only rivers to which they could be applied, the Gods. t v h e o ry, m th o e G i., ;v m e e r r y, rainveclnth.e..Krevistna. oa for i e l ß: a g n h holding te who r. s t a h n o c ee th u ni p e o d u the N othwi,rwd,htehne lifers g I etCixtlep:een cdwolour i pr s k s ea ll now e y l e:rhWee i olt.l mentioned oer t aendde had done. Ile went back to hilt favourite credit toss what s h trot, right at tho they faction, nor would he ar :a member that eafr: thhbeie:rholoc Manchester Gs g tr e ee n ra t t l recommended im 79 n11 2 , cons a d n i,m d d t e s t tb a by t t that a(in a report (Loud laughter.) a . m r c ( 1 r s had just been aroused from his slumbers—(great laughter) —would l79 S 2 ir . j r V e h i e U i lt h:e n G . li G ik o i n d e the government of 18 . 33 responsible for the omissions Certainly, the hon. member could not be accused of want of candour. (Laughter.) It would not muc h strengthen t his (Sir J. W. liogg's) statement to refer to what had been done in the times of the Maliontedan dynasties; fur he did not think there was much weight in " te-quoque" er g " meats. Bat if he were to tell the house the details of Mahomedan rule, he should perfectly appal ev ery hon. gentleman that heard him with th e rec i tal of the miseries which had been endured by the people of Indite The Mahomedan rulers certainly bad occasionally indulged in public works, but they were only such as would gratif y their own vanity or minister to their own luxury. (gear, hear.) If they made a road, it was only because there was about to be some royal progress, cc because it would lead to some royal hunting ground ; when that progress had ceased, and that bunt was over, then those works fell into decay. (Cheers.) There were temples, and tombs, a n d mausoleums and palaces constructed enough, but there were no works of public utility. (Hear, hear.) If the home asked him for his authority, he would refer them to the book of Sir Henry Elliott, wherein it was shown that these Mahometlan works of which they had heard so much were perfectly fabulous. (Hear, hear.) The next question to which he (Sir J. W. Hogg) would advert was ose upon which the hon. member for Leominster had most dwelt, namely, the administration of justice in India, and the em. ploymeat of natives in that capacity. Now the tact was that the natives of India decided 90 per cent. of all the original civil suits, and reckoning even appeals, 96 per cent. (Cheers.) And yet it was said that the Court of Directors had not honestly carried out the act of 1831. (liear, hear.) Thee again, with respect to the rerenoes, there were deputy col lectors and deputy magistrates extensively empl o y e d at high s alaries; whereas, previous to 1834, there were scarcely any natives holding situations of that kind. (Hear, hear) The fact was the act eflB3l had been carried out cautious)), and therefore successfully, because if they had pr emature! forced natives into rituatians for which they were unsuited, all the benevoleat intentions of the legislature would have entirely frustrated. (Hear, hear.) Then, what was it to which the hon. gentlemen referred ? The hon. gentleman meant the covenanted service. (Hear, hear.) Every situa tion in India was open to natives, and as far as they wero Sit for any office they had been and would be advanced to it. (Oh, oh ) But the covenanted servants consisted of those young men who had been edu cated at Haileybury and sent out to India; and became no natives had gone through that process, and had been intro- duced into the covenanted service, that was made a ground of complaint. But perhaps the house would see that there might be grave considerations connected with this subject. If they introduced natives into the civil covenanted service, then the question would come, why should they not be in troduced also into the covenanted military service ? (Cheers.) And then the question would arise, how far natives sho u ld be intrusted with the command of our armies ic India? (Loud cheers.) lie (Sir J. W. llogg) thought the house and the country would consider that that was a question which was best left in the hands of the government. (Rear.) The first statesmen that this country produced were sent out to India, and it was far better when such questions Irma that they should he left to the Governor General, who was as anxious to do justice to India as any gentleman that sat in that house. (Cheers.) Hon. gentlemen had spoken much of British misrule, but they had passed by the great social reforms which had been effected under our sway. Thuggism abolished, dacoitship, suttee, infanticide, slavery —all abolished. (Cheers.) He would now ask for the attention of the house to the state of educa tion in India. Much had been done ; but he freely admitted that much remained to be done. lie did not venture to say that all had been done that could or ought to be done. No man or body of men united for any purpose would assert that. Since 1933, a vast deal had been done in the cause of education in India. There were in Bengal—English and mixed schools, 37—natives, 104 • in the corth-western provinces, 7 English and mixed schools ; in Madras, 1 English and mixed ; in Bombay, 14 English and mixed, and' 33 native schools. The number of scholars was 26,000, and the sum annually expended 66,000/. He admitted that a great deal more ought to be expended, and no doubt would be in time. But let the house consider how slow physical and moral improvement had been in this country, where there were no obstacles conparatively ; he might instance the improve ment in pole and the administration of justice. The last subject to which he would allude was the ecclesiastical establishments, and he would mention generally their in creme. In 1834 there were 64 churches; in 1832 there were 115. In 1834 the church establishment cost 81,9541.; the Scotch Kirk, 6,2531.; the Roman catholic., I,6o9l.—(hear, hear)—total, 89,9061. In 1852, the church establishment had increased to 107,700/. ; the Scoth Kirk to 6,5001. ; and the Roman Catholics to 5,4001. In 1830 there were 116 missionary stations; in 1850, 403. The ad vance in the Roman catholic churches was the most marked. In every station, where there was a European regiment, there was a payment to a Roman catholic priest. The bishop was not paid as a bishop ; but he received 250 rupees a month for attending to the registry of baptisms and marriages, and so on, amongst the Roman catholic.. Within the last few hours he had seen a boot published in India called the Missionary Intelligencer, which stated that, looking at the country politically, there was a remarkable opening for ministers of the gospel ; there was nothing to deter any prudent faithful man from travelling about in all parts, or settling in any place, and preaching the gospel. It stated that the government of the country had done much to establish this state of things ; the governing board were well known for their high principles, and their spirit and example pervaded all the oicen of the government, who seemed to have been selected for their talents, habits of business, and uprightness of principle. The rapidity of improvement in the country was really most wonderful ; a few years had done the work of ages in the Putsjaub ; and the people were released from all petty oppression. Men of talent and rank were all in tent upon their work, and all alive and progressing onward, roaring no labour of either body or mind. They seemed to have their eyes open to everything going on in the old country, making roads, building bridges, and planting trees. (Hear, hear.) This extract coming from such authority was valuable as to the state of moral religious feeling in ' the country, bearing incidental testimony to the energy and capacity of the servants of the company, more particularly in the Punjaub. He regretted that he had detained the butte for such a length of time ; but the subject was one of great importance, and he felt that he was bound to speak at some length, as the body with which be was associated had been assailed, not only been charged with mismanagement and errors of judgment, but even had their motives and intentions impugned. He believed he might say that the Court of Directors cared little for the :decision of p 'lament, so far as regarded themselves, but their ar ishand their anxious prayer was, that the Supreme Dis poser of events might re direct their councils that they would select that torm of government, and those instru ments to execute it which were best calculated to advance the interest and happiness of the people of India, and to promote the honour and glory of this great country. (Loud cheer. Ou the motion of Mr. Beaeam, The debate was adjourned till Thursday next. CONSOLIDATED FUND (E 4,000,000) BILL. This bill was read a third time and asted. SUCCESSION TAX BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL stated, in reply to Sir John Trol lop*, that he would take the debate on the Succession Tax Bill on the first order day after the debate on the intro troduction of the India Bill was over. SAVINGS BANKS BILL. The house went into committee for the purpose of es abling the Chancellor of the Exchequer to move a reso lution preliminary to the introduction of a bill relating to savings' banks. In reply to Mr. VANCE and Mr. GROGAN, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be did not propose to open up the question of compensation in the case of defaulting savings' banks, or to repair retrospec. tively the errors of the former system ; a ll that he pro posed to do :was to amend the system, and to rive some thing like security. BOROUGH OF TYNEMOUTH. Sir B. HALL moved that no new writ do issue for the borough of Tynemoath before Monday, the 20th of June inst., which was agreed to. The house adjourned at one o'clock. CALLS TO TUE BAR.—MIDDLE TEMPLE :—The Trinity Term calls to the bar, of students of the Honour able Society of the Middle Temple, were made yesterday (June Ctb), and they compose the aftermentioned gentle. men :—Henry Holroyd, Esq.; Murdo Young, Esq.; Richard Augustus Bethell, Esq. ; John Matthew Jones, Esq.; Robert Richardson, Esq.; Charles Henry 110 P• wood, Esq. ; and Henry Frederick Gibbons, Esq. Lts coLN's INN :—Ths Trinity Term Calls to the Bar of Stu dents of the Honourable Society of the Lincoln's Inn, vars made yesterday (June 6th), and they comprise the after , mentioned gentlemen:—Henry Buller, Esq. ; John George Dodson, M.A.; George Higinbotham, 14. A.; Charles Bleyds Molyneux, M.A.; Charles Corrie Weston, 111. A; Charles Brodie Loeock, M.A. ; William Fry Buebsess, M.A.; George Osborne Morgan, M.A.; and William Graphel, jun., M.A. GRAY'S lioN, JUNE 6th.—At a Pension of the Honourable Society of Gray's lnn, holden this der, Rollo James ;Bulkeley, Esq., was Ailed to the degree of barrister at Law. SOUTH EASTERN RAlLWAY.—Traffic receipts for the week ending June 4, 1853 :—£16,410/. 17q,!ed.: tinter week ending June 4, 1852 (Whitton week), £16,2061. 3c 94. Increase in 1853, £204 13s. 7d. rAELI Order for Third Try 1...1 Ayes, ANDotirt, C. 11. NV Adstr, It. E. Adderlre, C It. Alcoek. ln. II .I ‘ l *spinet I, J. 1. %, Baines. lit lion. Ball, John 8011, bailee , B en bow, Jo'ol Dtchlulph, lt. M. Diggs, tt &Imo Elackett, J. I' Doucette, Do, 13;:at!1.1°oTtiCal. Brockleltu,i, Jo Itratherton, Jose B ro wn, Wi:o. Browne, V A. Butler, C. S. Butt, 6 . Butt, B I lion. G. II ampbell, Mr A. Cardwell, E..wa. Cauli‘.l.l, Colonel Carendidi, It a Chambers, Thorn Martens, li.m. I Cheethato,John Cholmondoey, 1. Christy, Samuel Clay, Sir W Mous Cobden, Itieltutd Cockburn, Sir A. Cocks, T. S. Coln, Walter Collier, W Crauturd, E. 11. Crook, Joseph Crossley, Fra,it Deniaan, Edwin Dent, Daring, Sir Mar Dintt, Edward Drummond, list Duncan, Geurie DwiMrs, George Dunlop. A. M. Egerton, Edw. C Ellice, Irish: Du Elliot, J. E Eysao. %V. Epo n ,W W. J. Ewart, W. Fergur. Ferguson, sir l, r e rvmo, J. Fitzgerald, J. D. Fitzroy, Foley, J. 11. 11. Forster, C. Forieseue. C. Fox, W. J. Arebdall, Capt. I Mgr, Wlll,llll Craw,ha Babe, 11. J. Banks', Et. hot Batason, Thnina Bennet, Pta tp Sisseton', W. Blair, Colonel Blake, N.J. Bland, L. 11. Booker, T. W. Brady, John Bt Iwo, Murray Clinton, lord C. Clive, Itobert Coles, H. IS. Corbally, M. E. Duffy, C. 6. Dunne, Colonel Her M njei day afternoon, The EAT.' Of terday, at line Prince Alin attended by C the Quein landau and tot roy and Capta back. 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