The Express. — London, England, 1852-05-22 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY, MAT 21. The LOAD CHAttPETerLIMR took his seat at 5 o'clock. ITION PRESENTED. Tee CIVIL Color. IN INDIA.—Hy Lord CAMPBELL, from Sir Charles Campbell, who hail been for many years • member of the Indies Council, on the subject of the Reformation of the Civil Code. The petitioner suggested that universities should be astaalialted in India foe satires, and also in this country, where net yes might study without hoeing caste. Re should move that the petition be referral to the commit , ce sitting upon the subject of the Macao' of the East India Cvnepany's etsarter.--Agreed to. Etd• • P ITY ROCEDURR BILL. This hill was read pro/or/al • second time sad termed to a saint eemmittao. CIiANUE 01 GOVERNMENT IN SARDINIA. Hut GRANVILLE wished to put 'question to the noble earl opposite namely, whether had soy objection to state to the h ow what was the meet recent information which he had received on the subject of the late political &images is the government of Sardinia. It was stated that the Marquis deAseglio hail tendered his Isation to the King, and sines that he had bees omunanded sgaia to fore a goverment. the Earl of MALMESBURY said that the intelligence which his noble friend had received se to the Marquis &Aurelio was perfectly correct; and be was sure that their lordships on both sides of the house would rejoice to know that on the 17th—a period subsequent to the resigostiun— the marquis hail been tent for again by the King, and had resumed the seal. of ether, his majesty giving him a ear:e blanche to choose what ministers he pleased. (Hear, hear.) He believed, from • despatch which he had seen, written by his own hand, that he would gad ea difficulty in effect• lag that object. (Herr, hear.) He could not sit down without capering, on the part of the government, the greet pleasure which this news had given to her Majesty's geverameat. The Kiss seemed papered to uphold musti ly:tonal principles in his own dominicoss, end to give en example awl a proof that there wee one other country be side. England in Europe which could prosper ander con stitutional government. (Hear, hear.) 'fie Marquis of LANSDOWNE had heard with plea rue what bad jest fallen from the noble earl. He had for some p•ars observed the conduct of the Marquis d'Aseglio, and he thought it his duty to make these obese ratites. TILE WARNER INVENTIONS. The Duke of WELLINGTON, puissant to notice, rose to move, . 4 that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty will be pleased to give dinictsuas that there be laid before this house copies or ex tracts of any report made to the Master-General of the Ordnance on the subject of the inventions of Mr. Warner." He had to apologise to their lordships fur not being pre art when the noble earl opposite brought forward his mo- tion fur referring to a committee of their lordships house the inventions of Mr. Warner. II he hod been in the house be should have represented to their lordships that the sub ject was already under the consideration of the government, sad the Master General of the Ordnance, in consequence, he believed, of an address from the Howe of Commons, but, at all events, at the particular desire of three of tie Mt* principal ministers of her Majesty -Lord Granville, Lord John Ito sell, sad another member of the late cabinet. The subject was under inquiry in the office of the Master-General of the Ordeal:me, sad being one of • very ecientific nature it was nut exactly • subject for inquiry before • committoi of their loeslehipo" housemore particularly as the result was intended to be, if succesoful, the expenditure of a verylarge suns of money. There were a great many speculators upon it, and Urge sums had been advanced to this gentlemen ia the hope that he would receive • large reward from the government foe these ioventions, and really it ap peased to him that it was not exactly the question with which the House of Lords ought to mix itself up na me-tweedy. (Hear, bear.) If he hail been is his place se that day, hr should have felt it to be his dsty to advise their lordships to have before them the p&&ssiisp which had taken place in the Onlnance-edlee; affil thasehre en the earliest day afterwards he gave rein Hat he *NH Roes an mashes which he was now shoat le used. The Lail of DERBY was so far in the maw praidea as the noble duke, that be wee net present when Se motion for the committee was salmelleted to the hens; mad if be could conceive the case le leap tie mile ado be should have come to the Mime semilgiop e anensilh ali n s t was not expedient that their lordships noel eater as • He. gasmen of the merits of these leveed's% Mlle eitenniffillie had been moved for as an appeal ended the dribs demo. potent officers, appointed on high sitikwati le =mks mai mat, he should have tale Mi . see* se the smite die that nothing could be awe Isis t than to agpoi from a son competent te•bmerrentphist authority Ike OM purpose of investigating the ems hie. (Hear, beer.) Lad if this were • question of amen fres that *Rd% kW the purpose of obtaining Mem peallement • ma Of money, in contradiction to the epees* aft the pine eaters who had examined into the sperelse, be shend be the foremost to object to the inquiry ; hat he = that the noble and gallant duke was seasewbet ' as to the intentions of the committee which hi tees idol for and granted. There could be no doubt that Capt Wesel was possessed of the secret of a highly explosive pew, which did produce extraoedinatyl effects in the mammals which it had been applied. Ou affprevions °creams Captain Warner had desired that sa the esteem of the experiment, and upon one ;art of the sneer of Os operations, a large gum of money should be paid dews te him by the public. That was the propmitios whisk he made to the late Sir Robert Peel, and to sottish Peel, be nos_ t nepicly objected. Captain Warner now ems. however, be their laddds with a:different propeeitias. As ear had sew hese made Captain Worms, through the median et the stele (Talbot), that he would now gs began • ematittee wittiest say prows; pledge, or even understanding held oat ea the part of their krdships with regard to any seas el away Is be paid to him. He desired, for the mks of his ewe eh& ratter and position, that he should have an epportealty of appearing before • committee of their lordship's Musa, he fore whom he was prepared to lay, as he ( Mel aDerby) understood, the whole secret of he composition and hives tion, and to explain to that amunittee, triestlug to their honour as peers of parliament—(hear, hear)—that which he never would explain to any paean before—namely, the composition of his invention, ant the mode of its application, without binding parliament to anything. Now, when a gentleman having an Important secret, was desirous of explaining the whole of that mend before a committee of their lordships' house, and that upon & distinct declaration that the house, by granting • com mittee. was not bound to purchase his meat, or to pay him anything for it, it would he a bard case, and gamely justifiable in those charged with the management of public affairs, entirely to refuse that gentleman a full opportunity of explaining the whole of his system, and giving to •com mate° of the House of Lords full details. Further than this he did not understand that their lordships were pledged , but to that extent he thought it was not fair to refuse to hear before a committee what Captain Warner had to say. The Duke of WELLINGTON said, at all events, he desired, before a committee of their lordahips house en tered into the eonsideraties of the subject, that they should have before them all the lahniatioa which the Board et Ortlnasee could give. (Iteerlsese.) The Earl of HARDWICRE theaght it desirable to know what the inventions irlin, Mid whether they were available for the public anise k mid kr this psepess the committee was to be formed. He was no ef the - elms sent down to witness the espesiesest of the espied.* meat, and he should relate what he saw and what be did ad ere. (A laugh.) He saw the effects, but be did sea see the ma chinery. He saw a strong oak. built ship blows to pines, sad net a piece left larger than his mm ; bat me see basw hew it was done. Now, Captain Warmer propesed te state what the explosive agents consies/ mad haw Ow wen lei, to state, in fact, the maim anis Westin* Veen sees ; end the eassiten wesM be sealed ile Mil before them seen and earn to see whether the naming esald be netted le EAGLE S re of werliee (Meer. beer) Laid MON il the Id posperities mode by Captain Warner to the gweennest wee merle to him when be was in office, and he seemed It ea Me awn (afterwerds Lea) Vivian, then essaterigemerel ef the ardeasse. He saw him the following day, when lir II NU bin that it was a bad speculate:a, or that the epesslrls wee faism, for he had asked Captain Wynne vibe the *feet of she spoilt:a tlas of the ceptedwe agent at the iMIMISO of Gibraltar would be. and he seIJ that it would not rely destroy the worn, bet blow cep the rock itself. Sir Mom Vaasa regarded tha4. ll t ea alerstalle triunity, wad mid (he seall met vs say ea. 61111Ctea It appeared le bka Led ) eint owspoities M refer doh men to a saint wank- Ise wis tressessilable with nee= sense asil tr y usage. (Hear, hear.)_ He held la XI: 86- d a len • the late Sir Hebert Peel to hr Henn Deeptem 'hewing that the matter wee mot disposed a Is the nosey question, bat apon its meg& . The week of fir Hebert Peel were the : "I ban lead the yes weregood enough to end as. It is bid I did sot require such a desseastrao I .ref the 0 Mr. Weiner. I deeply regret that me mesh shells ens has bees thrown away upset -enh • ena bales ee s iaz his pr w onle." (Pram) Now Oh sepesein ef hes Hobert Pei steady showed thee*, mei" et SISI time wee set an objection sheet nessi,but wee bea dips a sesvisties of tho Aar beeneede of ier. irsaarr. lie Mama-M) would Hoehn eri wers o peir solar' establish . ra hy She inreit His what mold met 41. earna aleshlneel p a eeeden. tV, that the (Derby) wield reseeidiar bis Het TALBOT said it wee sew pan if his nee fat the* lavestior hid sew yet Isis hirly Wood. As Ulna Nil ea • hien eseries, An bed base the whew ef three eirpetheiste of dr fenlelu sheik and the fleet nernet be sew the : reeler ef the sepereas he felt that o h ag e= y i nsed was as eneendleary Ided. Ho allotted en the endsoiss selent bed takes pares is the peasesse et messy of their lerehlge red awhileiy in the preens of a great masher of nanstere Mos al the es. pelmet, at Beigiess. he ebet ass the popssal was ask that the ship to le spewed apse sheiM be la the leads et Mien ef nos enennest, la seise sired that that emanate* at hest should be gives by Mr. Warmer setsiast nay mad* play ; sad dine weld the. be ae doubt et the latephy of the expo rimiest. Is sake farther, that all ideas of collusion set triek should be Inlaid's r it was agreed that the mph" don 'hada he mend =Weiner es his (Earl Iblher4 raising the flag eigasi to lim o whin he we so n mess es whom? amen he teed Med sad witheas my le Mr. Warner. The nes& was all s ues. re ge stalp MY In omen with the explosive ealetnea sad she tree imenedleenf destroys/ Of omens, he sight be ninks• ' bell lee diits lwldere hem thee said kw einhoo , mespe ' riessele o least Idly bane that thee bvillle et setwiatin would pen of the pestell Me eib nage as ..„..."a ashen to this w e Ile VIE EXPRESS, SATURDAY - ,-BITAING, MAY 22, 11 eldest which be had is of this meamitten was 1 coatravese this riposte pointed to go into the'. that 11r. Warner had tepees circumstances ; the committee, if an letters had been written which they stated that the too long delayed. offering th wind was umemary. They , Warner to remove the vase, apparatus. ...._ that stage was en impoatibility ; and Mr. Warner sow desired to show that the whole apparatus could be carried to • steamer, and that the difficulty with had occurred is the eourse of the tint experiment could Mt possibly occur in actual service. He (Earl Talbot) wee posed that the following should be the amebas of the = mince: The Doke of Cambridge. the Duke of Welleepern the Duke of Neettrohedand. the Viesseat MO Marquis of Anekenin the Earl ea Ombermers, the Richmond, the Me d, of Hardwick., Leal leek" /be of Wicklow. the Marquis of Nueseseby, the Earl of Mr ern, the Duke er Bossieveb, and binned (Sul Tab" For al the warm renew he had stated, alai which bid been he mete Ail stMed by the alb mid IDesVe led lowled that es Berber thistles wield le eared to OP emmllien The web !red Okeeteeple) bed said the II wes • weeetlea whether their leaddlip weeld iambi* II bed preeelese But this was net Meemealiela The peer Um wen whether their lordships amid Mee the charm er now obadang *wad and chwp_iielleme the this et=2 6„ The Dales ef WELLINGTON eared We es esplanades Is rethrener to the wire he had 'WU the noble earl (Titbit) of his intimate le make the midis which he had web that mein. The only words whisk could be heard he the pliery were, " I OW/ new es lb committee ;" sod them words were followed is the hews by laughter and elegem. Earl GREY said that if he had say amok se to Or km propriety of the course taken by the presemmeat In mien mg to this committee, the speech of the =kb earl (Tidied would have removed the doubt. He mew dolly weaned that a very hasty and injudicious step led been taken ; sad he quite agreed with all the able mgemeele et the noble duke, and thought that they ought le weer that step. (Ilea, beer.) He (Earl Grey) had set been Fern the other emery Thee the motioa the • semmittee had Wee Weed to, *nip beeeese, with mew Whew he bed takes fur pulled that the empessibie 'enema of the NM week peemptly seam the esemiNess she his settpries bed consequently been wry greet when the neat day he read the minutia of whet had paned. if. weld not erne the merits W the Weser? kerne.. ; ho was quite t to give an opiates we dna Res It he weve es convinced of thole worth es the sale Sad be should still thiak the apporneent of a awoken or that house to enquire inee - diem ma unwise and imaregar w undoubtedly it was unrewarded. It was wellborn that every one of the grearemeat departmeats we with the eppliseeleas of prepeolose of sew is the sole object of these peones, whose insatiate were usually no imeatims at all, being to obtain kilts sums et money. Olean her.) Well, now, what was really proposed was a precedent gar the appoiatmeet of pediewietary anamittess to inowipate di them sham lawslisen Ile did net see why the wenikeeden ef the emulate shenid be adjerned needy will seek tiro wart ppm dewed be missed. He wield caramel opernesed the wireresese te • peetweement ate rfer._Z lifarr.brar." mad no Earl of W ICELW Awed we t am en essentid distilled's' herrn the esewaillee te wham tide question was era to be wined, owl the hewer redrew. What was terry mewed be be *slim* yes the rent; that which had hitherto benwithheld ; wed the withrthilag et which no doubt impaired in some sew the vales et the opinions which bad hem given by pellemiseal authorities. Bet berme of that very distincrn he she =tunneltothe rose* wopesal. Whet pawed es rellarry paarrararary ssamittee wee it mediately emit Mews le the rimer wield. la the sir odder appelsted eat eif *sit beehive would have tbe right to be wrest red te yet teatime to 'Marne, although 'sly the alaiillagi wessitsse et the emmeisme would test have the right to wen (Raw less.) The result would be, then that oar neighbeare Amid RA the secret just as soon as we would get it eesselves; eat then imtead of providing a new imam far sir owe deform we would be putting new wess i• he lands of oar .5.5.155. As far as he was concerned. he mod idiot to serve es the committee. (Hear.) The Earl of WINCHILBIA thee& *et the Warmer inventions were perfect lauabsi. (loiegianpa The Earl of ALBEMARLE did act seadder that Mr. Warner's conduct was of a character to mattes him to any very great consideration fees • British lesidetale. The Earl of ROSSI tiered hat *see yes my ground for inquiry. He wee .mead thee nempowder was the only agent used by Captain Warmer; aid w to else pca siNlity of submarine melodies, them were pleat of ey esore who understood alma better then Captain Warner did. Ma druid oppose the appointment of a weamitte. Ent TALBOT said if it was the wish of their hardships girt the domains. should be postersed he would agree to dein elitee=llo himself the sysks of awning i t again fir it he popes that Me some *Seers who had leg** into the subject before shoe* be appointed spin by the government to look into the .Want. After a few words frees the Kernis of L•osserste, The Earl of DEADY geld *et raMbar he arm kis ruble trend (the Earl of Hardwick.) hod mow* easy *Wee es the peel et the government with regsed *the iavertien lb did set mew in what had been Meted by the Belie ted that the 'methanol had mob a barmier la mwmawt~eagi else ea ypermaka for the oppeiniment et • ewe sills% edam Mille been that maim oldie end cirle- Mabee) Ma Mend ` leaks etating_that Omsk wages, vs , solsilhe NOM Nke The media berme tha lease um Pm et the alibis VW _ellimeteal her i ttreedno. lies et papers, eel lismile Mad lid Tab* =Me /tAI eppelelsewe dile esenisittee, reea4 the right M pesseekS II soh, mai task men le satisfied doe se - INON used be uppelatell without their bavieg ea mike, This Is the newt me inthremetion wail he elSimd. se awl the seeleamsat wadi be able se watch gleam My mail he *died in granting an = a lb MO. Imetever, eay, thee bo thought that a MIA by the geressamst te intiWre late the smelts or the knells would auto a erased in [mem a Os invader thee the • Ws erneittee of their hellskipe barn WT — Mltie of WELLINGTON wee leteeessei se ray be hei as doubt that the klaster•Genemi .net the Grimm would take every pains that sash ea lageby should be made as would be satisfactory, not only to the government, bet to the inventor. The motion was then agreed to. THE GRANT TO II AYNOOTR. The Marquis of BREADALEINE was about to ask the of which he had given notice as to the intentions tlep l i l evernment with respect to the grant to the College diksaooth, when Biel Fl TZ WILLIAM appeal e d'. the noble weegoie to Planit until Monday. i e larquis of BREADALBAHE said he was about to fide whether it would not he m o m convenient to their lord -111111. it be were to postpone his question until Monday. 0 110 0 10 0 Ifs Deka of ARGYLL protested against their lordships . I np beimn was it w t a b s e n e ven o' ter chx o k i their li elaotrd biliene ester if they were not to proceed with ele) 1111 • enlifect as the groat to Mapooth merely be- Meek had arrived. Vs Ike et DEBBY thought it extremely inconvenient ge_vpastion should be . 417 duke, e f iii. 3 it R E w y k l.L s wiliNE, and z h ß: t r otfhethremarkse hoot, Mill gis _as. Tim Dabs of ARGYLL was set at all anxious that the It elelles el he elehle seetylis dew* he pet. He (the Duke Tbileklbelt, _il If be es PM Meat NS la pet away from wee the easillsp me to W pat he Siam lsoma why it R shoald wills asked Men e is of BEADALBANE sad, that, in pour eased s amiss he bed given, be lad to parses a arsaskat if estikas hose mssehees of Use yes shush el Beideed, mai Misr somas I. that , 'pion the eistlamees et a• poet is thesoder et These petitions yew geeketh* wady es the quern of religious pried *, redgewilv es OW et gensed pokey. Re agreed in the thjeethes stated in dm pellisen It woo ea the pomade there elleffed thin he Wend the bill for the Wrier of the g e :g am y sa it a i l es =id la by Biz R. Pied. The low dew be • spites the pert bed Moo dew g tie puma ea MIA It bed besa seek MA, is lis whim redly NMI to be realised. N. geed W te= the pering et that am; it lima ha as eimedierny en the Reims esibelke of Ireland, it bad their pretethent hiloweelpeeta. • few Seiko semelot s Ms hepelashle awl woad inlets te the orielijMunoldlee......owd he PAW be wadi be le the greet te egaysests sad Me ail kr segulatiajW - ellmatiest eiths Rama eighths Pli t i Z of DERBY said that be could give no further armament es this whim the. that which be had already stetell is se* je =N le him on a former occa- des by WO was the third, sad In hoped , the last t imed slim Ike t" Hear," and a lamb.) WWI he ked dr was, that the vernment hod szF ei or ; the set for the et lir mikes el would add dr* esaiisee the pestles dm mime meet as one of silky, Lord BEAUMONT could not reemille he snow of the sable earl with the 11100dUC/ of the 11.1111.111/ in another place. The noble earl said *perm wee me intention to maks say alterathe with roma le the esimemeat of May amok wad thee the questio• yes ens me et silky. Sew wet dm et be renswiled wide ihe anuaa as - meat is seedier phew in rarsefai to an we into the wed= et policy, but fats the primithe mad resift of the College of Mapes*. If the Wide sod Weeded le wake no anemias with wiped to Hams* awl bed medle irmi T his mind es dm or hew mid the wry coesisemey or propeleyvireenest to C liminis eppelLest et a commiteme whisk moon rake the wide loselies, red when, whatever hr malt of the = we. might be, sod whatever might hew report of *etee~eie.s, thew was to be me shereden He agreed with the @Me earl that the whale warn wee one of policy, He mat remind the mile sad d whet he lied sad on • Isarrat essesion whenis mantles the addltioaal grant le laseragra. be dated that lie dkirso on the greeted that it lees mopired by pear, rd hat it did not matter whether *a peas le wham th e been as given met it with grad- 1 Isis es ispathaie ; UM the pulley we • we, Salm obit it me set aassersry s =alb r e d L ar II We% haw ea these le Mien the great was mad.. Millerlidabs e rem was the edemas er die Bern dist. lie (lad lisseisest) swaradited if lemur/ itrarittrorw w. ard mar ___ not metre to say melthittee of Wirth, mire A vacs* mirky DM the libels testifies of the policy eiftbo great, rote ( 10- lades ers thiwg is ma Mies as* osiers It is dr ether. The Red of DI U= eald dre he lad sired that there wee se istesties we die part of the government to make say dtmedes withwil> wto the grant to Haysooth; bat be d id .it my that Wham" Mike be the Malt of te tho system el eduesties pursued there, :: la d V gY mard to dr . eppllealigs a the bride ru led hY IlleliumM the the ellelledes:if the Neese catholic priories& the psi* of the gemelemat met flat Alia unaltered sod thet - lad they ediepted Ihe ephisCet the sego bed thee. Is the olosatise of lb. Roman Whelk Illteetheelle Myer, wen to kt whisk were either imoseirist with amendity or ef the easslitedies, that wes a mostiaa with whisk the ad viser of the mews bad mediae to do, sad that ministersMl boss* dimmable to promos the revenues of the Rases erholis priesthood, ia ethic's, is his opinion. were neassaseily 'evolved doctrines subversive of loyalty. lie had a mesh higher opinion of the Roma catholic priesdeeed thes to believe that it was arestial to his edu cation that be timid be taught doctrines subversive of loy alty mad ibersolive t or mality. (Hear.) But if he could M that the egrefis espressed by the nelM lewd was • MO/9 meter repeesestades of dr rate of the moo than he had hitherto summed, it maid esmoisly most materially cheese his own ?HMS, and induce him M promote the most searching inquiry. (Cheer.) After a few words from Lord BIAVIIIONT and the Bishop of OXFORD. The Bari of WINCRILSRA said that a very strong public feeling wee maellersil sphrt 6e peat to May wroth who de eseries of ha petettana, wee before their lordships es ait mensith. ?Maim graying ter its abolition, Op lel by 48M212 meesseir ba ore presisted that modes. He erio my lass w measeltre et rosily what he MI thes aimed kr, whisk wm ham bees 'imposed delay of the Ram esthetic mom ben of their lordships' beam, heel bees pared at ths time. The votes whisk would be rams at the ap preedisc gems' demi= would speak la plain lan guage. sees nest pastimease wash on only demand an inquiry into the nateoseif dr demakme isaght at Karma but would raise the queries Of dr Amp in the oaths ad miehtered to members of the leghimeee by which its pro teMant character bad bees reverie& Ouch a some of promediag woe for the March of Rome would sever be mast wit h egad m E eights for its mem bers, bat would de ell is Its po to Milk absolute demi eke. • Host of the rasdietfom be ird made fa 1.846 bad bass seepletely ; biet be was melody essvinced that the March et Rome would sever le sore bmt *nth it had hosed this mestry into a civil war by an attempt to bar temporal power in England. (Hear.) Cr7ITZ WILLI AM said he was quite satis fied with the answer given by the astir earl (the Earl of Derby) the question of the malemar quis. It was, imbeed„ most desirable that 60 seastry afraid know hew Os question stood, ad be did set doubt, however the seat perbarneet might sprit oat, that the of die wag' s earl (the Earl of likehy) wield re Isdireged, whatever might be the lea et aor tas eseetlesesthes. (Hear, hear.) No doubt wield have existed se the subject, if ce rtain persons coueotheill with her Mejenty's jpeonsersat, _making me of it for criesees, bed ase Serpi themeives to voter= Chess.) Wish pewee to these perms who lamed that proteeleedem of Resheid was to be overwhelmed by the midges ca Hegmetkle would simply ask whether the imdlaldmie uses emegilsed of were educated I. dose eel i , _bre.) Dr. Males was not a member of lrAmele. aim (Beer, hear.) It was est Name& that was to be hand, but Onferil—(hoer, bear)—auri the ter empties of the aristocracy of the mstry. (Hear, hem) H. did see much like that brute--(issil lowered—a great effect was produced as the wroth of law mom by the snagetheset abode is whisk dr weerhip of the shank of Rosse was erred en. St did on like the churches which were balk 1111 OM asuntoy, 1:= tarred the plain art iris sake ef the hes kirk. He had no fear whatever Whoa beteg senverted by the Roman catholic but ba thlthittheed a great apprehension that selatemerry wad* I. arespeg by the Romanisiag tesdessies oT prolostort sirgymink (Hear, hear.) The Earl of DERBY made in mplemsYm, the pur port of which was inaudible in the pfery The Earl of WICKLOW wee made satisfied with the answer gives by the math and pod of Derby), ter ars minister mad be esposted to NV more giro that it was set his inteades at passer. le males say alteesties. Hs ro deo* that these wits sited with the alibis red in iF t t i d e " f e l L i M s a Sr of II L a t im er a to di re nal ts= that Ireland wee a Romans embolic country, est lire paid he dl peepereles if the emendates* of dr state, while es estsbildeed share was nrietsbeed sot of Raim erd ent tande kr the swiss perdu of the 1111% gIIPNOMMO WWI *ties to porta n t Me (Rev, boar.) What • thlibt heAho of tip Mat parliament the p ••••••••8•111/11,......s. • Ism& of fsith, interfere with pout IS • IIsGREY sal= e ohs* lide Mee Perfee ll l said with the grower given WIN midi Mt if be maid how understood him to say —*Ally and dhlisdy to w— ent IA minims ass now the sass sa Is when be was to is Rader the left tea= Peel in 1845, when for douldows of es des rob of Rome were as wel thohnolleell as If saw; he should have be es eultdoill If mite sad had ✓ated that then sonsined oriugsd j aid that he only rem red As RS Mors, is ass - e(mrw du stager sirs, of TYR Ds Sri or Derby) add mat now be Fru U (Rarl Grey) bed eat beer alb In understand the sari in that Ina On a form sermon, when pressed by him to mg wlitihtt his °Mims smoked the sere as in 1846, thssitia ere ti RlWof Drikd hid ddated*be to sok snit a Z the we* sidled In that mat. deft dna or four dem to erred sem mmo Maim et minim mussed by 'Her made lords se M ti• wrersiag of the noble hod. An 'Mies which aired to Is at with so masker sad ard = wan sot likely to slum dr dour sad was Mt to rs Waft on In lbs Nil Armin, st Os gusrareent m die w4eet usi casta) That MOM 1111111 with which the :sp to mama Mom words what emeled by ether X ride, awl rem draw boar breadth diosas as to thelearesiog, mind Vat lo Mesh erode' weight to iho dodisment of the nab UM that be lOW se prow leeaaYa if siting par- Ihusat to resoled ths put to Metresth, Midall7 WI" st rue tines possum be MOO in the is =ont. —sea If be were set misidirusil, ollou,—more in their eisorral and sidessoss ki at Reidy pledging thearobets to vow do do raged of the peet. (lieu Iser.) That was a drinuotorle Which did ibrow doubt aid awmisies ea the real latmelme of the go verament—(kar)—e doubt ad seusiaro wbee, hr the honour of the rememeat, the midi d sod the principles of repseestative the earl ought to Mien. (Hear.) (led would ask these of theik lordships who had the grant whether the whisk had been 6 i=th ilisrlis i l ub li sable earl whisk Winsidisea) were ssM beentriained by soy very tarp nunliald prom Ward Urfa to less danger to the tho rift of the three Idepiem Whoa rem Mid that the Hams eadedie Pekin was fare, axed imiesseireat with ancelity or loydty to the arms, what edger andasioa could be draws hat that psue -third et her Majesty's selothsts m SOW scald be Res s Intim of *polity with the Teel of hr swigs^ and that, set being Mead with .reeves-- e ksem like the others, they must asamearily be die smilesleiL If the grant to Hayseed' were to be ressisiod es sash groma, did it sot foam that tbe Ram ..Helios wall WO** reverse of hat lesorge. id would Mel. dmit thbir duty M provost my andewrost of a protestut Omsk berg antiwar in Weed ? (Hear.) If such Elm wen sant ups, dna would be an aid to religious mein the analry. _ Dia of ARGYLL mweidered it highly amemary that des yak palsy of its gusrunont an this question anti be dimly art tally soprised,. bat hat the same Iles um of opinion Out as bad a clear right to IWO , Imo du' Cense" of awl the manner ▪ moth RN Mediates was essehastiol Wlth dos ripest Meth nab nwr trie who had bought No salteastonnal, sal hp dr body whisk the WO morqub uproar% be tie Dubs et Argyll) add not ague to doe wlllasetel et Op giant Is Mayans* on the pound that Megrim andissounte ought to be shandonsd. If that Meth* were Mod see, they would nit stop at the Cdr. - af May en& ; dry wield lave to go briber real the nulls mufti bud gullibly anticipated. The of 13LANGICARD11 morlisal Oil as dew bad_Nrs glees is st the system of glng gum' ▪ Wignsede slur die pert WI 1N1111.1114 Mu lossdlostred weir the gevemmust bad, in the oar IserA oriestsd to • soaks he an tapir, oar that dila mf r. of that metre was to to wadi Os soap . There suer 11111 111 dielb r usientmallag why fat government bed nimild WRNS milks. (Mr host wee. tier iaiit: Trade sad the Right lie y Le t t Bills Mood Um. 1111 211MMENT OF THE JURISDICTION IN EQUITY BILL Oa the mar et the LORD CHANCELLOR this bill was time, mad ordered to be referred to the West The Law Procedure Amendment Bill passed tbe re 6 ll3=l Jesiodistlin cad the Fraternal Dr enches ems ma stile Ilmo red rued. rah losidder aOserned is ofelsch. HOUSE OF COMMON3.—FRIDAY, MAY 21. The SHIA/LIZ took the chair at a porter before four o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. BILL/ RIAD A TRIM) TINII AID PAlSlD.—Liskeard Reads; Oreat Western, Shrewsbury. and Birmingham. Shrewsbury and Chester, Shrewsbury and Hereford, Bir hothead, Lanashire and Cheshire Junction, and Here ford Be., and Olotoester Railway Companies; North British Flan Company (Claamon's patent) ; Rosbarlials lad Plnaley Bad; BUIL aid Hartlepool and Clarence Railway and •Basitbiped West Harbour and Dock Cosipanies Bill lea to with the amendments, and ordered to be reed a maw The Thames Embankment Bill was reel a essoad time. LONDON NECROPOLIS AND NATiONAL MAUSO LEUM BILL. On the motion for reading this bill a third time, Viscount EBItINOTON observed that this bill, though brought forward as a private act, could hardly be considered other t as involving public considerations. If regarded sea private bill it was unnecessary and superfluous. It must interfere with the goteranment measure now before the how •and on that ground 'he moved that it be deferred until iliat measure was printed and in the hands of membon. Mr. BAINES, as chairman of the committee en the bill, was aatisiled it was one that ought to receive the sanction of parliament. Lord .1. MANNERS admitted that the measure would, to a considerable extant, afford the means of remedying the great sod that at present existed; and as IN did not consider that it would interiors with the govern ment bill, ho should ask the house to reject the noble lord's amendment. _ ,iitiTi.l;ief discussion, The amendment was put and negatived, and the bill was read a third time and PUBLIJIMINESS. PETITIONS MAYNOOTM Etwowitater Aor.—By Mr. HASTIE, from the elders and deacons of the Free High Church; the members and adherents of Middle Free Church; and from ministers and elders of South Free Churches, Paisley; Mr. J. MACK IE, from the Free Church congregation of Castle Douglas, in the stewurtry of Kirkcudbright ; and from the Free Church con gregatiun of liirshen end Anworth ; Mr. D'EYNCOURT, ftwit the mayor and corporation of South Lincolnshire; Mr. COMPTON (49), from places in Hampshire, ter the Vof. LIPIA BILL.-By Mr. J. BELL, from places in the metropolis; Sir J. WALMSLEY, from Belmont, Bolton, Blackford-bridge. Bury, and independent congregation of Chapelfield, Lancashire; Mr. KERSHAW, from Stock port; from the workpeople at the Ardwick Print Works, Manchester ; and from the officers and teachers of the Roby Day and Sonday Schools. Manchester; Mr. BROTHER ION (3), from Salford; Mr. G. THOMPSON, from Mar gate, against the bill. DITZIWZILINCE OP LOUD LONDONDISILY IN TIM Ri• PLISINTATION OF DOWN.—By Mr. 0. THOMPSON, hen the Tower Hamlets, complaining of the interference of the Marquis of Londonderry in the representation of the county of Down, and praying that all peers so interfering in the election of members of the House of Commons may be punished on conviction by transportation. EMIGRATION. _ _ _ _ Sir J. PARINI:WOI, In ;;;I to Mr. F. Sctrum, stated that part of the funds in the hands of the Emigra tion Cominimionen would be available in assisting Irish emigrants to Australia, under certain regulations, but not in sending out young men from workhmises. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. The ATTORNEY-UENEKAL, being interrogated by Mr. Scholefield, explained that proceedings had been in stituted against the Drinferintina News, %hick by publish ing a second number under another title within the 26 days, had infringed the stamp act. 'lbe Stoke•upon-Trent paper, which was liable to a fine of 201. for publishing at another period than within the three first days of the month, would not be prosecuted, inasmuch as there did not appear to have been any evasion of the stamp dut. OPEN-AIR MEETINOS AT BON ' NER'S FIELDS. Mr. G. THOMPSON asked the Secretary of State be the Home Department, to specify the grounds ea which the Commissioners of the Metropolitan Po lice had prohibited open-air meetings in Donner's fields, Bethital•green, on the Sabbath day ? It had been usual to hold assemblies in these open places on the Sunday for the purpose of listening to addresses on religions and other subjects; but on Sunday last notices were issued that such assemblies would not bo allowed. Mr. WALPOLE said the meetings to which the hon. gentleman referred had given great offence to the respect able inhabitants of the neighbourhood. At these meetings he was informed subjects of a blasphemous, profane, and demoralising character had been frequently discussed. These complaints came to the Commissioners of Works, and the meetings were accordingly prohibited. The police, in imesequenee of that prohibition, might have instituted pro ceedings summarily against the parties under the Police Aet, but they had merely dispersed the meetings, and in doing so they had done no more than was done some years ago with respect to similar assemblies in the Green Park. Sir W. CLAY asked whether the prohibition extended to religious meetings Mr. WALPOLE was understood to reply that meetings of that character were equally objectionable. THE NAVIGATION OF THE ST. LAWRENCE. Mr. HUME asked whether there was any objection to lay before parliament copies of the correspondence between the British government, the government of the United States, and the government of Canada rempectively, respecting the opening of the navigation of the river St. Lawrence The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the correspondence between the governments of Great Britain and the United States was not completed. It was con ' ducted in a satisfactory and friendly spirit, and they augured the best results from it. EXPLOSIONS IN MINES. Mr. WALPOLE, in reply to Mr. Hume, said he had already stated that this subject was now under investigation with regard to the recent accident in South Wales, land that he should forego expressing an opinion oa the sub ject till that investigation was concluded. He might say, in passing, that he thought the last enuctment was very im perfect. TILE DUBLIN HOSPITALS. Mr. REYNOLDS asked whether it was Intended to per severe in reducing the grant to the Cork-street and the other Dublin hospitals ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the estimates were not prepared by the present government, mad he was not prepared to say at once that they could alter them; bat he thought the whole subject of the hospitals in Dublin deserved further consideration. THE LOSS OF TIIE BIRKENHEAD. Mr. REYNOLDS said it was currently reported that the water tight hulkheads were removed from the steam ship Birkenhead before she sailed with troops for the Cape of Good Hope, and he asked if that were so. Mr. STAFvORD replied that the water tight bulkheads of the Biebeethead were not removed. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL iimoved tiliTi the order of to day for going into committee on this bill be read for m purpose of being discharged. The order of the day was then read and discharged se ndingly. CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERN/SENT IN SPAIN. ktr. F . MACKENZIE having morel that the house at 1 its rising adjourn till Monday, Lord PALMERSTON rose and said—l wish to occupy ' the time of the house for • very short time in order to draw ' their attention and the attention of the government to re ports which have been for some time current of the exer cise of foreign influence for the purpose of bringing about changes in, if not an abrogation of, the constitution of Spain. Sir, my opinion is that constitutional monarchy is the beet form of government that has ever yet been invented by the wisdom of man. (Cheers.) By constitutional government, I mean monarchy tempered in its action and insisted in its functions by the co-operation of a parliament. It appears to me that such a form of government, while on the one hand it secures to a nation that public freedom which cannot be expected from a pure despotism, on the other hand gives and affords to private individuals that freedom of action within the limits of the law which is too often not enjoyed by them under a republican form of government. My belief is, that a constitutional monarchy, by affording to property its just protection, encourages industry and thereby tends to augment the wealth of nations; and that on the other hand it also is a moral instrument in promoting interns- Clonal peace. In a despotic government where the destinies of a nation are swayed by a small number of individuals not responsible to any public body, tyranny, ignorance, em pties, passion, involve the nations which such men govern in all the calamities of war, and involve other nations who may come in contact with them in a share of those calamities. Now, therefore, the support of constitutional government is a matter of importance, not merely to the nation in which that form of government is established, but is a matter of de,n importance to all other nations who may be brought into contact and communication with such states. There fore I hold that while constitutional government leads to the internal improvement of a country, it better qualifies such country to perform its functions and fulfil its duties as a member of the community of nations. Now, among the countries that are at present in the enjoyment o f constitution al government, perhaps the most remarkable are Portugal, Spain, Sardinia, Greece, Denmark, and Belgium, and most of these have obtained the advantage of tionnitutattal govern ment within a eimparatinely recent period. With regard to Greece, Pries* sad Denmark, the changes were pro duced by internal sell essmade arrangements, without any direct interferon, of lay lareign power. With respect to Greece, indeed, the form had been recommended by the powers from the earliest mement of Grecian independence, bat the immediate Amp was brought about by the rising of drininitsee,Wiliewere irritated at the long delay it these pesmisse that had been held out to them. Bat ia is Portugal, end in Spain, the change ass mainly sealMed_ by the influence, and even the direst in terference of the Peak government, and I think that the British assensmat oaferred great and deep obligations apes the people of them countries by the part which it • then took. In megfeieging the states that have sot a eon , stitutional govenumegit, the only important mashies that are still under dew& rule are Russia, Austria, the domi nions of the Sultan, sot the dominions of the Pope. easy I believe I mot add to the list ; for although the Grand Duke did grant a constitution to his subject' some two or three years ago, I believe that latterly, pressed as I believe by external influence, he has abrogated that I constitution. Ido not include Naples among the list of I countries which have not a constitution, for the ream that I mentioned, because, as far as I am informed, 1 the constitution which the King of Naples gave to his sub jects about three years ago, although practically suspended, has not, in point of fact, been abolished. Now there came to our shores a very short time ago a distinguished prince, LP enlightened and intelligent prince, a member of the royal family of Naples. That prince will have had en op portunity during his visit to this country of seeing with his own eyes that order may he maintained without martial law—that prisons tau y be sufficient for their purpose without being turned into places of torture—without being turned, if I may say so, into charnel houses. And if those who came into communication with that distinguished Prince used the practice and freedom of truth which ought to be observed in intercourse even with princes, I sin satisfied that when he returns to his native land he will be able to inform those to whom the informa tion may be useful, that if they wish to establish that ear- a view, is obSielisdle• atp4iUseat i that Colhie et Ms .. tamed tins 1 • set at all avert dhcredit oia, ac td, i Th m , mho i et, the dean Op_ had . : ; . . _ ifi , *VP . A ell pb(i el ta 1=111.1% let INN he e i 'l2 14 p .sty , ' ' • the aseire A b e es Very . , • "'" t i t emir 41 " ,t o oa k ip whet 1 ; sad be ) ;,,. • a it appraised that coraPorAtT with. I%* go - tten at !re :' d r.. ". ...'_ 6 ` ' • Trapt their Madness ... it the et he le . • ' . Tee great wib wade with their ring the ea tiennaisa Seat • prresieler epee spa, lad the ems muse of seedy warn t h ee pur- They had wide a dammed eirllr. seed an ward a maid op any. The government, in- • the whole spriest'''. which it ifesilir psresei a etesightereard anise and not eon- I . • dial good feeling between the people of the two countries, this lesson, that the present state of civili sat i on eradiate is the surest and best foundation of international opposed to all extreme opinions. (Cheers.) In my 'pings elliance, the system of persecution, of oppression, of ill.- both th e sovereign and th e wlle'. in every instance ha" -- Oily, which has rendered the Neapolitan territories • bye- escaped considerable peril—great though may b e t h e coo word among the civilised nations of Europe, must neces.a. but of this feel convinced, that whether it arises from the in Portugal and in Spain despotic monarch or front the red republican—if th at sp i rit rily taus to be. The English government had a great highest or the lowest quarter, whether it IM from th e share in establishing that constitutiesiel form of government which had of disorder again arise in Europe, there is not the sex es already contributed so much to the prosperity and prospect of its being so speedily allayed. (L ou d c h eers.) welfare of the Portuguese and Spanish nation.; and he was Sir DE LACY EVANS said that the ruinenrs teat pr e _ sure that any man who bad of late years visited the Penni- veiled were quite sufficient to cause anxiety, and he trust e d sale, and who was at all acquainted with the state of things that the government would take the subject intu their reed before, would be struck with the vast improvement and ra- serious attention. pidlr inereuing progress which those two kineoms evinced. HOME-MADE SPIRITS IN BOND. Now, it was a maxim to physics, that action and reaction Mr. REYNOLDS said that if the right lion. no uns , were equal and opposite to • certain degree. That was the Chancellor of the Exchequer, would not promise e jg • true also in regard to political affairs. In the year 1848 his support, he should not, in the present Mate of the see; there was a great outburst in Europe of long pent-up 'ion, persevere in the motion for this union. content, and many governments, struck to the heart The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said lie with fear, were induced in the momentary panic of the could certainly not recommend the hon. gentlemen to make day to make, from fear, concessions far greater than those his motion at this advanced period of the s, ssion—(uk„ g h )) which they had long refused to the calm and steady voice —but if the hon. gentleman made up his mind to pressed of reason. The crisis passed away, the fear vanished, and with it, he should, with great respect, tell hint what mane then came the reaction—and the reaction, I am afraid, is government intruded to pursue when the quistiou c ar , coming still with unabated force. Now there are two parts properly before the house. (Laughter.) of Europe to which I fear that reaction is particularly ap- The question respecting the adjournment of the hem s plied at the present moment—l mean Sardinia and Spain. was then agreed to. Now Sardinia may be held up to the world as a model of the success of parliamentary government. That conatitu- The house then went into committee on the Militia Bill. tion was given to the people of Sardinia by the spontaneous The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER announce d set of their sovereign ; and during the short period. for it that the government had considered clause 2a, which haa is but two or three years, that that constitution has been been objected to by the hon. gentlemen opposite. s e. at work nothing could exceed the harmonious manner no.") It appeared Wee, that there was a very ge ose il in which the sovereign, his ministers, the parliament, and sympathy on that side, of the house with the proposal oft's, the people have co-operated for the public and the national hon. baronet the member for Bedford ; end therefore the good. It would be indeed &calamity if that constitution were government would not insist upon the clause. to bo overthrown. I will not ask her Majesty's government Mr. BRIGHT said the right hon. gentleman had never to step out of their way to interfere with the affairs of any had the slightest intention of passing the clause. If when country, but this much l take leave to say, and Ido hope, that the hon. member fur lied,funi had moved the onii-seta of considering the great political endeomenrcial interests which the clause, the right hon. gentleman bad shown ma thine this country has in the maintenance of the Sardinian mo- like the determination which he had manifested with re: narchy in peace and prosperity, the Sardinian government vett to other parts of the hill lie would easily have carried will never appeal in vain for the countenance, the support, it. Ile trusted that the Home Secretary would not bee and even the counsel of the government of Great Britain, in himself to this proceeding, fur when he introduced the hill moments of difficulty and danger. (Cheers.) Nuw, sir, he referred to this clause as showing that the measure was with regard to Spain the same opinion prevails. It is not intended for the repression of public opinien, but thought that influences external are at work for the pur- entirely for the purpose of defence. hie was 013 t of the pose of inducing material and fundamental changes in the tricks of a government which were not remarkable for their government of that country. No doubt I shall be met with straightforwardness and for their character fur alien: bond the reply, that any apprehension of that sort is vain and dealing, and its object was to secure supp art for an ob. groundless ; that there is no nation in the world so jealous noxious measure. After the various occasions in the of foreign interference se Spain; and that the people of Spain last two months, during which they had had explimatiees may be safely left to take care of their which bad been explained again the night afterwards, with own affain. Now, if this 'were said with regard variations of opinion of every kind, he put it to the gofers. to Fresno or Germany, I should implicitly concur is the ment whether their character was likely to be imprere d remark, because we know that the people of France and any degree in the estimation of the house and the country Germany would neither accept nor permit, far less would if proceedings like this were to take place. Alter the whole they solicit, interference of any sort or kind, the most die of the enacting clauses had been passed, except the meth, tent or' remote, in regard to their internal affairs. But they withdrew one of the most important clauses fifths though the Spanish nation are proverbially a nation, per- bill—the one on which they had endeavoured to persuade harm of all others in the world the most jealous of foreigners, the house that the bill was one for defensive operations it does so happen that, from political circumstances which only, and had no reference to the state of thing. in this it is unnecessary for me to enter into, there is perhaps no country. If they withdrew this clause the irresistible con country, the goverment of which has for a long course of elusion would be that these 86,000 men were in reality time been more frequently or more importantly swayed by meant to repress any interruption of the public peace that external influence than the government of Spain. (Hear, might arise, should the government be hold enouith or reek_ hear.) Now, if all parties can agree to leave Spain, or any lees enough to carry out that policy which they had adopted other country, entirely to itself, every ono ought to observe when in opposition. (Cheers.) that rule • but if influences of one kind are at work for the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that purpose of producing what we think an evil, I say there the consolation of the government under the attacks of the can he no objection—no national objection, to ex- hon. gentleman must be the conviction that a lusher in their mile influence of another kind fur the purpose truth was nut shared by any considerable numben. (Hear, of counteracting those influences, and for the purpose hear.) The very argument which the hon. ge n tl eman h a d of procuring or maintaining a good. (Hear, hear.) lam used Iranian the Secretary of State—that he had founded a not disposeel to think that there is any great foundation for recommendation of the previous clauses on the clause now the reports to which I have alluded—at least, there is no under discussion—proved the sincerity of his right lion, great apprehension that, Hausa report' , be true, the infl u. friend at the time when he made that declaration. Of ens in question can lead to any great or injurious result; course, if he had supposed that the clause would not remain because at the head of the Spanish government and holding in the bill, he would not have founded any argument upon the highest place under the Spanish crown, there is a die- it; but his right hon. friend would Rive up the clause with tinguished statesman who I know looks back with just reluctance. Any one who could judge of the temper of the and honourable pride that treaty of the Quadruple Alli- house must have seen that, on the subject of the oini,sion of anos which be took so great a pest in framing and colleted• that clause, there was a very preconderuot opinion. Ile ing, and which he knows was the foundation upon which hardly remembered any instance in which the similarity of the constitutional government of Spain as it now exists, has opinion was more general. This clause had been brought been placed. I cannot, therefore for a moment entertain forward in a sincere spirit, and the gover nmen t w as pre. a belief that that honourable sta tesman would consent, on pared to support it. The hon. gentleman said that in any conditions whatever, to reverse his own work, and to consequence of a single objection from each aide of the undermine that structure which is based upon a foundation house, it had been immediately relinquished. The h en . so successfully laid by him; but, nevertheless, one titan or gentleman had not been on that occasion so k een an ob one set of men, are not sufficient to secure the destinies of server of the temper of the house as he usually was, or he the great human family. Now, there is prevalent among would hare found that the objections were much more nit the nations of the continent a notion that with every merest& change of ministry here, there is a great and entire change Mr. BRIGHT—Not before the right hon. gentleman of. in the foreign policy of this country. Sir, I hold that to fered to postpone the clause, but after. be a complete error. (Cheers.) Now, making the observe- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had lions which 1 have offered in no spirit of hostility to her not asked for mu opportunity of postponing the clause till Majesty's government—not even in a spirit of distrust m convinced that a large majority of the committee were eit her Majesty's government, in regard to the matters to which pond to it. Under those circumstances he hail token the my remarks apply, and certainly not in a spirit of enmity usual course—of asking leave to postpone the claw, in to any foreign power whatever—but believing that there is stead of moving, as it was open to him to do, that the clause a crisis that may be impending over Spain, and deeply im. should be omitted. He had since taken the opportunity premed with the vast importance, not only to Spain herself, of ascertaining what was the feeling of the house upon but to this country, and, I may say, to the w. ole of Europe, that clause, and he was convinced that it was uttifly vain which attaches to the maintenance in Spain of the coestitu- to attempt to carry it. Ronal government which after such a struggle was eats, Mr. M. GIBSON mid that the noble lord now at the bashed there—convinced as I am, that if any influences head of the government had once remarked of a distin. whatever were to overthrow that government they would guished statesman, now no more, that no one knew so well only lead to the renewal of the tragedy which has before how to dress up a state= nt for the house ; and he eon been enacted; and that, after the desolation of the ceived that some pains had been taken, either by that noble country, the immolation of a vast number of human lord or some member of his government, to dress up this beings and the destruction of a great part of the bravest bill, so as to put it in a popular shape before the house. and most eminent men in the country, it would only lead (Hear, hear.) It appeared to have been supposed in the to the overthrow again of that fabric which for so short • cabinet, as they had an unpopular measure to pass through time would have been raised, and to the revival, though, the house, that some members of the opposition might be perhaps, under some different form, of the system of liberty quieted if votes were given to the militia—(cheers and —believing that great weight attaches on the continent laughter) ;—and if the militia could not be drawn out to pat to a knowledge of the disposition and feeling of the British down insurrection. (Hear, hear.) It was an insult to the government, and being perfectly persuaded that however house not submit the measure, in a bold and manly way, in the gentlemen who now fill the offices of government may the form in which-it was intended to pass. (Cheers.) The differ from those whom they havesuceeeded in matters of do- proposal fur giving votes to the militia, and not calling them tail, they attach the greatest importance to the maintenaime out in cases of insurrection, were the conceptions of ministers of constitutional government in the eouutries allied or poe- themselves; and after lion. members had been induced to sassing political relations with England —my object is to withdraw their opposition, in consequence of one of them elicit from her Majesty's government some declaration proposals, they had a right to complain of its with of their sentiments or opinions upon this point, drawl. He should be glad to have these two questions which may disabuse those persons on tho continent answered by the Home Secretary—what he conceived to be who think that the arbitrary system will receive the support • legitimate occasion for rolling out and embodying them and countenance of Great Britrin, and which may rive that 80,000 men, in reference to the internal atfiirs of the encouragement to the liberal cause which such • declaration country ; and whether it was part of the law that patine from one of her Majesty's government cannot fail to afford. ment should first be called together, if not then sitting? (Cheers.) Mr. CLAY trusted that the clause would be retained. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, after a Experience had proved that the police force and the regular few introductory observations, said,— I may be per- army were far better adapted to act in cases ot insurrection. mitted to relate to the house • circumstance which Mr. J. BELL did not believe that any trickery had will at least evince the feeling of the gover n m en t been designed in introducing or withdrawing the dame ; with respect to the constitution at present existing in Spain, still less did he suppose that its withdrawal would end which incurred when we tint acceded to power. Iler cause any great amount of dissatisfaction in the public Majesty's minister at Madrid at that moment was a noble mind. (Hear, hear.) But the umiesioo of the lord who had been promoted to that high office by our clause placed the bill under an entirely new predecessors. That noble lord thought it his duty, under aspect. It had been introduced as n precautionary the circumstances of the change of government, to offer measure. It was now generally admitted that there was no the resignation of his office to her Majesty; but consider. danger of an invasion; and the first effect of this precan ing, as we did consider, the high character and ability of tionary measure had been to induce the French to add that noble individual, his acquaintance with the Spanish 80.000 to their army. (Hear, hear.) So that, while we character—cheer, hear)—and his sympathy with the cause had got 80,000 militia, who would not be embodied till of constitutional government in Spain, and believing that next year, there were 80,000 additional regular troops in he was one who, if an exigency should occur, might ap. another country. preach the government, or even the throne of that country, Mr. MO WATT thought it desirable that the govern. we humbly advised her Majesty not to accept his ruigna. taunt should state the reasons which had induced them to tion. The noble lord therefore continued in hie office, and withdraw this clause. continued the same policy which has always been pursued The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, said the Chancellor of With regard to Spain. (Cheers.) The noble lord has the Exchequer had a few minutes ago stated the reason of always received from us instructions not violently the government for withdrawing the clause—that the inti. te actively to interfere or interpose with the government =alien of the committee's opinion was so strong, and*, ef Spain, or to take any course that might justly excite its impossible to be mistaken, that it was perfectly clear the Jealousy; bat, lam quite sure, that he would never coon. government could not succeed in mnintsiniml that lamence any attempt, especially on the part of a foreign ea part of the bill. The clause being admittedly purer, to assail those free institutions which have been unimportant, and the government stein.; that Mainly owing to English influence and English arms and there was a predominant feeling against it, it which, we believe, have on the whole greatly conduced to was unquestionably their duty to yield to that feeling, and, the welfare and progress of that country. lam quite sure even against their inclinations, to withdraw the clause. As that tho noble lord would, under no circumstances, take to the question of the right hon. member fur Manchester, any Course that could be hostile to the feelings of the people the committee must first decide whether the clause was to o*a country; and that he would never be slow in that form part of the bill before any neOcisity arose to answer friendly counsel which, I think, under these circumstances, that question. At all events, the government ought ft would be his duty to offer. (Hear, hear.) Sir, Ido net not to be called on to provide the right honourable undervalue the effects of the Quadruple Alliance; gentleman with a definition. As to the second quer but this I venture to say, on the part of the government, tion, whether it would be necessary to call parliament that if there be persons—foreigners, as I inter from the toge ther, ' the 111th section of the 42 Geo. 111. provided that address of the noble lord this evening —who are attempting in all cases of invasion or imminent danger thereof, and Mall to disturb that system of government which has now for cases of rebellion or insurrection, it should he lawful for his some time existed in Spain, and has existed on the whole Majesty, the occasion being first communicated to path*. for the general benefit of that country—if there be persons ment, if parliament were then sitting, or declared in council, of that kind who are exercising this influence, all I can say and notified by declaration, if parliament were not sitting, is, that we hope those who are meat interested in the throne to order and direct the lords lieutenants of counties to of Spain will recollect the circumstances under which the embody the militia. That would be au answer to the present dynasty first occupied it. (Cheers.) The question right hon. gentleman. Supposing this clause struck out, naturally arises, and will be generally asked—if the ancient that portion of the old act would operate. system which was subverted in Spain is to be restored, why After • few words in explanation from Mr. CLAY. should not the dynasty that was subverted (whether in Mr. J. EVANS said the clause was en entirely (veep- Spain or Portugal) be also brought hack ? (Hear, hear.) tientl one, not Round in any other militia bill, but intro- I make this as a general observation upon the surmise of duced here for the first time. It was for the government to the noble lord, and I cannot but feel that one of his vast state why it had been so introduced. The clause had been experience and acntencu must have had some grounds regarded as a redeeming feature in the bill; the Homo for his observations k but I must express my Secretary had founded his arguments on it ; and now the confidence that, notwithstanding these rumours and leader of the house stepped before him, made an admirable the vain theories of some few individuals, the speech, and prevented the Home Secretary from answering persons who exercise the greatest influence in the question put to him. If the clause had not bees in' Spain are those who are resolved to maintain the constitu- traduced at all, it might have been a matter of little cma tonal system. I believe that the exercise of their power n'quence ; SS it was, it ought to be retained, having been will be each as to give a hope that none of the fatal disturb- mainly relied on by the government in supporting the bill. ances, to which the noble lord has adverted as possible, will After some discussion, interrupted by cries of" Divide," happen. Although lam not prepared to eulogise in such Mr. TIIOMPSON said thin clause, perhaps, more unmeasured terms the constitutional system so genera/ in than any other in the bill, must have occupied the serious Europe, on which the noble lord has touched, and, which I attention of the cabinet, and it therefore became of im mures somewhat surprised me u I listened to his cares- portanee to know the reason of its withdrawal. Ile wanted nye, still I must say that the constitutional system which to know the motive, which dictated its insertion, and also has prevailed in Spain has been strictly a domestic system ; the motives which caused it to be withdrawn. (hear, hem) and that there has been no development or offensive props- Mr. WALPOLE said that he would mentor both the gstion of political ideas in that country acting upon others. questions put to him by the bon. gentlemen with perfect I think the same has been the ease in Piedmont, another sincerity. This clause was introduced into the bill, because instance to which the noble lord adverted as a country also the government thought, and no one more strongly than ' subject to them mysterious rumours. There is no doubt himself, that the militia should be made a purely defensive that in no modern instance has a parliamentary system force, and should not be used for any other purpose than been mere successful than in that of Sardinia, and in that Ito resist a foreign attack. (Hear, hear.) 'I hat was the there has also been the absence of that propagation reason why it was introduced, end till they came to the of a political system which is generally the sign of a want clause last night he for one wished and determined to per of success of the constitutional scheme in the country itself. severe with it, because he thought there was a great (Hear,' bear.) I think I need not say more upon the pre- advantage in not calling out the militia to quell any sent occasion. lam quite sure that the noble lord would insurrection or rebellion that might take place. (leo, not have taken this step, especially in the present state of hear.) But when they came to the clause last public business, unless he had thought he was justified in night a strong opposition was manifested against doing so, but I trust the house will not be led into any it, and communications had been made front all discussion on the subject. (Cheers.) I trust that the house quarters messing its withdrawal. (Hear, hear.) AI will give her Majesty's government credit for • wish to far as he was concerned be could assure the commute: that carry on the foreign affairs of this country in that spirit it was merely out of deference to the opinions of a prep's which will respect the rights of every nation, and which, in donating majority of the house that he reluctantly gave up doing so, would best secure the blessings of a general peace. the clause. (Hear, hear.) (lkar, hear.) Ido nut know where these menaced dangers Sir IT. VERNEY said that when ho objected to the are to occur, whether they are to arise from the jealousy of clause, on the ground that ft seemed to interfere with the monarchs, or the violence of multitudes; but after the , prerogative of the crown, his view had met with a very ge* experience of 1848, I hope that they have learned nersldegree of assent from both sides of the house. (War) for within the Colonial-office ~... Mr. RIG] gigiit boo. her the expressers f amily, that' sincceity in d The commi For the v • Against. The clause On clause 2 Mr. GIBS( eider the list to the strange Geo. 111. J learned Ado' poor man not (y a ughter.) difficulty in d exempt a ma' should be exe from trustier have to pay f mo overwhela confidence eta merely throw and hope tha minions. Mr. EWA thin of peers. surely the sat aniver.ities .1 Sir H. 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