The Express. — London, England, 1853-02-23 00:00:00

DIPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—TcrsDAT, F. 22. The LORD CHAVICIILLOit took his seat at 5 o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Loin LIBVTIMANCT or lIIISLAMD.-131 the Earl of CARDIGAN, from Lord,W. Fitzgerald, praying for the abolition of the Lord Lieutenancy of Ireland. COUNTY COTIMO.—By Lord BROUGIIAM, from Pima in the county of Camuvon and other places, in favour of an extension of the jurirlietion of County ( , -irti. Matrisoiorn.—By the Earl of ENNUI/CILLEN, from Bt. Andrcu 'I. Holborn; several places in Suffolk, and Ashluy, iu Staffordshire, aiaic b• endowment of Afiy• Booth. ---,wit herrn AIL:. , LAW OF E 5 IDENCE (Stw., Lira E1l01.:OHAM nee to move the second reading of this bill. Its object was to extend to Scotland that which had been the law on this most important subject in Eng land. Lost tesMon the Lord Advocate brought in a bill to improve the law of evidence in Scotland, by extending Lord Denntaiis act to that country; and its effect hail been found to be meet salutary. It was then thought not desir able to eat,nd to Scotland him (Lord brougham's) act of 18;1, lathing the parties to a suit, as well as other persons, competent to give evidence—but such was the object of the bresent mouton. He was glad the other night to ear the Lord Chief Justice say that the karma judges, who hal originally been against this 111118111.11% had, from the experience they had derived teem Be working, changed their opinion; and with a degree of candour which did them infinite honour, had avowed that change of opinion, and were now warmly in favour of tln measure of 1351. (Hear, hear.) He mast also announce another change of opinion, the Faculty of Advocates in E linhurgh (of whom he desired to speak with more than ordinary respect and affection, having had the tumour of belonging to that leaned body). Those learned persons had entertained great doable as to the expediency of this change in the law. From the experience of its working, however, they were Wen* imbued to come resod to an opinion in its favour • sad they had lately 114. a resolution approving of di:, watembas of the law to l litid, only suggesting one or two gualikations„which, by altappy accident, he had anticipated, mid the bill Mak' be then presented was framed so es esdney M meal tbe wishes of that highly respectable and learned body. Lord CAMPBELL highly approved of the measure, and paid a compliment to the Faculty of Advocates. The LORD CHANCELLOR. said his .cable and learned friend had introduced this bill to assimilate the law of the two computes. He had, however, gouts beyond the actual eaistiag law of England, because he had introduced into this bill, as he naturally would, a clause with reference to which a bill had already been read a Scat time in their lordship.' house, and he hoped it would soon become the law of the land. It had reference to the evidence of husbands and wives; and it was but due to his noble and lest lied friend to my that it was introduced into his bill of 1881. lie had in that bill a Manse extending the law of evi dean to husband and wife, and he (the Lord Chancellor) was then opposed to it ; but he must confess that he had Mace had reason to change his opinion, and he now approved of such a clause, but the husband and wife would not be compelled to disclose that which passed in wades., between themselves. LAW OF DIVORCE. After a few words from Lord BIIOI7OIIAN on the subject of the law of divorce, which were not distinctly hard is the gallery. Lord CAMPBELL said that he had the pleasure of in forming their lordships that the commissioners appointed to inquire into the law of divorce bad signed a report, which would no doubt in a few days be presented to the house by the order of her Majesty. They recommended that their lordships should not continue to pass acts of parliament is each individual cue, but that a regular tribunal should be established, consisting of a Vies-Chancellor, an ecclesiastical judge, and a common law judge, and that the proceeding should take place judicially when it came from the husband for adultery. But, in the extraordinary ease when a Wife sought for a dissolution of the marriage contract, on the ground of the husband's immorality or other misconduct, It must still be a matter of legislation, because it would be impossible that any code could be framed by which any court of justice could be regulated in deciding such ratan. The Law of Evidence (deotland) Bill was then read second time, and their lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tuzsm, Fn. 22. The &PIAZZA took the chair at the anal hour. PRIG ATE BUSINESS. The following bills were read a i;;;;;;I time : Earwig& Dodo and Pier ; High almond Adrift Resilii Brighton, and South Coast Railway; Lerigh layls Yd Lough Swilly Railway:; Newport, Abergavenny, and Here ford Railway (Hereford, ito.) ; North British Railway ; Plymouth Waterworks; Dewsbury, Heakmondwike, and Batley Water; Oreat Grimsby Improvement ; New Forest Derr Removal Act Amendment; and Wezford Janetion Railway, Bills. RIM MEMBER. Kr. Pausauss Seek Se mere eel Ws seer for Tier lesk tribesmen et Na. New, reeseeis petition. The bus. swam ins istredesed ►y dr °beards of the Ea. oboes* sad Mr. E. Deers. DZWBBURY, RECIqiIONDWIKE, AND BATLEY WATER, BILL Mr. COBDEN, in moving the second leading of this ball, mid that he understood it was to be opposed by his hon. friend near him, the member for Sheffield. The object of the bill was to bring a supply of water to Dewsbury, and for this purpose the works would have to pass near She field, sad the people of that town were opposed to having the waters of the river Doe, which they considered neces sary for the mills there, dimiaished. As he understood, it would not diminish the lowly of water to Sheffield. Mr. HADFIELD moved, se an amendment, that the bill be read a second time that day six months. The in. habitants of Sheffield now amounted to 138,000, and the water of the river was not more than was 'scenery for them. LASCELLEB seconded the =Woe. ]lr. 8. WORTLEY supported the amendineat. It seemed to his that the promotes should hare MOO 26 miles to BheMY kr this water. — Mr. dißilMlf rN that visa they come so far for water it woe Ore lbw moo pally is mat of it. As be eadereleed. bop seeerain teee• to be wade, whkh we be • great lomat lo the powleof Nadi la ma seri se they wadi IMO 101100,000 . epee, Per digT• What be ebeeld soma woe to Nod the ma • mod note sad IlMssiadi It Woo • emaillee. as he did eel Alai the beau ma the led gambled is dna, He games. Lord K. HOWAED raggewkd imeadmal. Mr DE L. EVANB maid lbia be bed net hood osythisg to show that the yogis of 'WWI bad taw right to the D - ,4 tbo see* M belagory. Fir J. samam smote& OM the goose* should be rimmed Ili s amittata Mr. LOCKS add it wield aid be doing jartioe lo the Duties if the MI moo an Dead • sesead tine, mid re igned to • oembloe. The beau Moiled: Pie ao mead media, 60-42 ?be bdl was the read • mooed time. GMAT GREMIIIIIt IMPROVEMINT BILL. Oa the mein ler the loosed reellaid this Tke Zed MANIZIGIT awed the mend reedbi an that day nit sena:the penal OM the state hod less petitioned by totedbleis el the The tows wee the egemellen of tbeen and es a melmily_eillbenotopopees woe le the he hoped IS neoill ant be paned open eleket their Mr. TOKLINE mended the notion. The bill (evolved $ large t 2enditare of nosey, over which there would be " " %lAA Kr. GI supported the woad Nadia& es the frassd of the greet aimless@ it wield tenter as Great (iri Mr. L r OCLI aid that the object of the bill was to bull a whet, se wanly water, sad make settees. It was per meted tea empaiMien et the tewa, be that the wee no a dna the messy meld be eipindert= say sentrel. Me tanrekee hoped the bones would aim the bill to be reed a wand Was. Mr. WADDINGTON bees his testimony to the peat benefit which eke tows would derive hem the penes of the MIL — After sin weeds hem Kr. tiorsaueu is support at the mottos, The assesdassat vras withdraw' sad the bin road a se see* dam HSA ILIJIIITT'S THIATILB ABSOCISTION BILL. Kr. ram isswea the swath vodka of this her. He rill he wall Welly oble to the home the eldest al the It wee wi balms that for seay leen it led hats fYmi obesely Minh to wry es Ilor 'peso— athOdee)—is sessopease of • oonsomios of panne who bed Moe thee eidlishsest raw 2 i themsseed IS IPSO bliell/111•14 seppethod by the The weak this thes ai a b o i rels whoth the auesst of tqligg the l estopriee ; nth the eked ef Ibis =se Or West a lap ledy et geadeases, who bed lithos great interest ia the ealtivaties a/ the Ise arts, eye they dee deitholik Iyrieel with the rights mad privilege@ Os empseaties. Her ,ia her speech et the spothei of Os emies, to puliatheat the peesesthut of the Ise Nth mid it wee ia theordasee with *sepia Of list reessmaidatko that he sow asked the bd ho stsog es redth ••• WI s meth tkle, with • view to be athituremlo seined *WNW" esthatitase. Is althea ail th e gnat Ithieeprs eagiek Ile errs wee supported to • greet sabot by the __reveal Our owe operas had foe IMO ti•O bees is • dab et sekeithe isiolveriey ; sad it es kr the Meth to esseilw whe th er it would &- vest a huge number D off solthems sad gentlemen with le preside • far emit • mate ef Wags. terds , to ease this ithe parties wen ready to raw teams sully MAW god be asked the bootee to %seeds to shut the seal esethow of • refeorree to a select scra mbles, is ether that the meter nista he dithered calmly, sod the ,If th ere woe way, removed. It hail bees ltal i rte l ta s e bill that it wee osithery to public po• kilesed the reel objesties wee WM it was cow wary Is tbe Detests intermit el atheist pads% was felt that if the OM were smith thelewoild be • dime of the opera belegthadaelth with otheisaey sad iseues. The object of this thole ustiase at the aid We the lyrical est dre amt& eatethekammit whist hth fines lest 160 peso bees uth mug ded es at boo liajootesTholooo, whist% had rtheived ged 'Me tiouatr dka rZt d Crr "M iedmd==Y thoos itic this altivetioa °fibs am seer ; Ord timber is etord t thous glossiot be With& la the Academy of Mao opporta au: of OplhOw Wks the public the ecquirements which ag ie ttimil oaks the patronage of the crown. H e MB irk objected to os the mud that it volved the principle of limited liability. No doubt that , was the ease. It was not to be ezpeeted that gentlemen of. dentine would risk their property to an unlimited egtenthe a public purpose. This wu not a mere trading speculation; it wu a gratuitous combination of gentlemen te promote a public object ; and they had a right to say that their lia bility must be limited within certain bounds. A precedent for this principle was to be found in the case of the Drury lane Act, 62 Geo. 111., e. 119, which was passed Mottle after Drury-lane Theatre was destroyed by fi re. lie ad mitted that the promoters 'aught in the first instance to ob tain their object by other means. They went to the late President of the Board of Trade to ask for a charter, and their request was refined; and he believed they aow came to the house is opposition to that right hon. gentleman's . this ions' tow; *Louie, their would ied ."lBl6 eile te stake ir e ill a t :o f nesesion ' which nets been made In favour alliatielrie Telegraph Company and the Crystal Pel:ice Ile would detain the boas* with only one more . The Academy of Music acted under a charter, aki ad sot understand on what principle peculiar pri * sense amid be granted to a school which wen to foster and train up the rildift gaseratios is the musical and dramatic art, while they rasisd to those who had been so trained as oppeetuaity of displaying their talents. He entreated the boom to read the bill a essead time and refer its details to • meamittee. Mr. SU= would mat aell in geodes a single argu ment wide! des boa. gewgaw& bad aspel. But the situa tion' la which tie been wee placed wee w multarly dessrviog eteteention. Mlisdoed f.whether right ee wren. had ben by the government to a com mission mad it melee& to Ida Oat this wu a bill which *mild me a be paned risible Ike inquiry. He should esetsialy ewes its farther repose matter the circuits etemesa. Mr. K. MILNES said the answer to tho hon. gentle man'a objeetion was, that this was not a trading bill, and that the qesedos of limited liability, as affecting credit, had Imo rti application. If any nape person could hare oarrbed IS the opera, Mr. Lumley s energy would bars homed mem • but the question now was whether that mainfismag es tablishment should be entirely closed, or whether soblemee sad gentlemen of unblemished character sheehl be sawed to risk a portion of their capital for the amemmat et the public. r He could mica, only one klmi et egpssition to this bill, namely, that of persons who, =l4ether theatres, feared that the paining of it I . eid to diminish their receipts. Me. CLAY was surprised to hear the hoe. gentleman &dare that this was sot a trading speculation. (Hear, hear.) It was close that he was not a director of Covent Ouden Theatre; for, in that ease, he would be of a dif ferent opinion. The bill infringed a great principle, and on that ground he hoped the hone would not meet to it. Admiral PECHELL hoped the house would have the opinion of the President of the Board of Trade on the question, as it involved the interests of hundreds of persoas. Mr. CARDWELL said ho felt it his duty to say a few words in answer to the appeal which had been made to him. This subject came before the right hon. gentleman the member for Oxford (Mr. Henley), when he so ably presided over the business of the department of the Board of Trade. That right hon. gentleman refused the applica tion made to him for a charter of limited liability, being governed, as he understood, both by precedent and by principle. When the ease was brought before himself he thought it no disrespect to the right honour able gentleman's decision to have an interview with Mr. Lumley, which lasted nearly an hour, and at its cities, he did not entertain the shadow of a doubt that the right hen. gentleman's view was correct. It was said that this was not a trading concern. He only hoped that the creditors of the concern might see no reason hereafter to view it ea • trading concern • but he could net help re minding the house that one ;of the chief grenade oa which the bill was asked for was, that so private fortune was ade quate to meet the expenses. (liar, hear.) The precedent of the Drury-lane Act had been cited; and he (Mr. Card well) would remind the house that they could not pen the bill without establishing another prece dent of the samo kind. (Hear.) He had been very much pressed with the consideration of the great respectability of the parties who asked for a charter. No one could doubt that they were persons of the highest standing; but the law of this country acknowledged no difference between oaesubjeet and another—(hear, hear d he asked the house to remember that if they this bill, it would be impossible to refuse similar applications from persons who had different objects. He thought he was doing no injus tice by saying that the one object of this bill wee to obtain United liability, which the ordinary provisions of the Joint Steak Companies Aet did not give. The question was one, therefere, not of detail, but of principle ; and it was for the hens to consider whether it would set up the principle et limited liability in this particular ease. He maintained dot do hin was eentrary to prosodatt. sad ought not to be moissod. Two yeas' lavolltiplioa of the WOO before a omoolter tkotßouss of Oulusat led Tosultod in a reaseassdatiaaii • eesabelen of liquify should b; appdsla by tbs sews. TM sreeng less gag to appoint a sonalass s ad be hoped that it wenbilea S. • settle ment albs 'bat were the Nos la magi limited Minty stte.iibeier. It indeed it men ever soneeded. Unger then Wassails's be did net tbak the bill ought te am ; and, ineessa as the second mains involved the lama& tibia wish t bare to be decided by the commission wbetber there should be limited liability or not, After be Assn /sae samba a lbw seas fun Kr. rams is explanation, The bens divided, was there appeared : Per Se eased radios Against it WEXFORD JUNCTION RAILWAY BILL. The second reading of this bill was opposed by Mr. M'lLanon on tha ground that it would harms an addi tional tax on the meaty, it being proposed in the bill to auks the baronies liable for the guarantee to the share holders. If the projectors considered the railway necessary let thus tarry it oat on their own reeponsiMlity. Re shared as amends eat to postpone the ascend reading for six maths. I[r. FRENCH oleo opposed the bill. Mr. OROGAN sperbod it, and the house divided. For the nand reading ,4ainit it The bill wu thea road a second Use and ordered to be otaiaitted. BM J. TB,oll.bi'ii,ehairsas of the Committee of Bekethea, marred that the toramittee for the trial of the had bees streak as fellows :—dir H. Borneo Bread, Lord Hotham, Ma J. B. , sad Mr. H. A. Herbert. Another amities war Aro reported as strut, hat the names were art heard la the gallery. THE lIXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 23, 1353. and attempt" whahoever which shall be made agthsve her mews and ity" (Derisive cheers.) Bet what eath did they ca in sovereign to take ? She was bound to support the church sad state ; and were they bearing true sateen's ffßotididnet support church and state too ? (Laughter.) Then what was the oath taken by Roman catholic'? " I do swear that I will defend to the utmost of my power the settlement of property within this realm as established by the law, and I H hereby disclaim, disierow, and totem* abjure any intention to subvert the present church establishment as settled by law within this realm, and I do solemnly swear that I era new eters*, tart weivitue M wb4eh I ea. say bosom istitiad to distuil; the i7jotestaitt . Tsui; er dogin g t rastsmal P".l6l o l l ,:i go n do v t enun h mak e p e re en s t e this n in ce th d o eci e f U G ai t ou nited , pro7fatiusiinir,dwiteesTteifyryan d I and part thereof, in the plain and ordinary geese of the words of this oath. any mental re , ..rf. 96.!." asked Ikea l they had not sworn to maintain 'the church and "tate, and if the Roman catholic members bad not sworn to the protestant establishment. He conceived that th:Il ls ca tion at Maynooth justified the unconstitutional and almost rebellious conduct which took place at the last general elu tion in Ireland, and that any of the persons who were guilty of it might properly say, " You taught me; you paid the priests to teach me; books at Maynooth taught that every thing was to bo sacrificed to the interest of the church, that no faith was to be kept with heretics. Look at what took place at the last general election in Ireland. He found it stated in the Boating Herald of July 6, that " At the chapel at Lush last Sunday the priest called every voter he knew to be in the chapel by name to the altar. He warned them of the strictly religious character of the struggle now going on, and in the face of the congregation he cautioned them against voting under any influence or any eircum. stances for any other than the popular candidate, and said he would be by ao means surprised if those who despised his advice and the interest of the church had their houses burned over their heads." Now, he asked, if any clergy man of the church of England had said this, if the whole country would not have rung, and justly, for the deposition of that clergymen. Then, again, he found in the titlkenny Moderat'r the following paragraph; " The mat determined persecution of those who voted against their church has been entered upon by the Roman catholic clergy. On Monday last, Mr. Patrick Ryan, of Castle Cowan, who had split his vote for Butler and Green, was going to mass, and just as lie had dropped his money into the box at the chapel door he was marched out by the order of the priest, and he was handed over to the tender mercies of the mob outside, who pelted him with stones to his house." In the county of Meath a priest at the altar, addressing the electors, said, "In the presence of the Most High, before the living God, before the crucifix, and before you all, will you not vote far Lucas ?" (Loud laughter.) lip Queen's county a Roman catholic clergyman, having observed a person come in to the chapel who had voted for Captain Bernard, cried out "black sheep!" and ordered him to be turned out. Other priests had threatened to withhold the sacraments and other rites of the church from any one who should dare to vote for Captain Bernard, and they were faithfully keeping their word. The honourable gentle man, atter making other quotations, went on to gay— ness entracte afforded the moot uruwerable proof that the purpose for which Maynooth had been endowed had entirely failed. It was thought that the priests should be t up with some sympathies for their country, and be mode loyal subjects and good citizens ; but after emit sessibes had accrued, parliament was bound to with 'haw their support and countenance from the college. But referee's had been made to a supposed compact. He denied that any compact whatever bad ever been entered into. • very respectful memorial dated Jan. 17, 1794, had been presented to the Earl of Westmoreland, then the Lord Lieutenant, asking, not for money, but for permission to establish, at their own expense, colleges for the education of their clergy, which they were unable to do, except by the permissioa of the goverament. That permission was given them, and they expressed their gratitude in the warmest, terms for the great indulgence which had been allowed them; promised to be most dutiful and obedient ; and professed their desire not to interfere with the estab lished religion. Yet, what was the case now ? There were actually hon. gentlemen who were pledged not to sup port any government until equality in religion was estab lished ? (Hear, hear.) In the report of the com mission which sat on the subject of Maynooth College in 1826.7, a letter was given front the sacred college at Rome, who congratulated the Irish clergy on this concession, and exhorted them to show that they were worthy of the favour which had been manifested towards them by their munificent sovereign, and this august senate, by their dutiful behaviour, b y leading quiet and peaceful lives, and by taking care that their youth were brought up in soberness, piety, and chastity, and were taught to revere the constitution of their country. But would it be believed, that in the very same document the Sacred College called upon the authorities of Mavuooth to teach their students the doctrines of Aquinas ? What said that learned doctor—" the most learned and pious doctor" as he was called? Why, he taught that sovereigns who had apostatised from the faith lea all dominion over their subjects ; and he quoted Pope Gregory VII, who said, that following the examples of his sacred predecessors, he ab solved, by his apostolical authority, thou subjects who were bound to such sovereigns from the sacrament of their oaths, and forbade them to observe faith with them until they (the apostate sovereigns) should have made satisfaction. It was well known that the ball "In Catna Domini," which was published yearly in Ireland, absolved the subjects of these realms from their allegiance to our most gracious sovereign herself. Car dinal Wiseman had announced that his very object in coming to England was to re-establish the canon laws, one of which tamed the murder of heretics and apostates, or, in other words, all baptised persons whb did not submit to the church of Rome ; so that our most gracious sovereign herself was a heretic is their eyes. He considered, therefore, that the College of Maynooth, in which such doc trines were taught, was one that a Christian community ought not for a single moment to counts nun ,• and that it was • great and crying Mn on the part o ft this nation to havesupported it. There was another cathelle welter, who was held in great repute—Bellariaine, ens of whose weds, " De Verbo Dei," was a dem-book at lespaesdt sad Adlermine held that heretles might be eealaemeed by** church to temporal puithmate, and =m be punished with death. This propeAdoa was by ea mirth», to the laws et emperors, the laws of the the Whaley of faithful write rs, null, all, by mesa. It was argued that, as ezeom was a mash witeater punishment than that of death, sad es heretics might he ezoommiaileated, therefore they might be put to dead' It wee farther argued that, as =Me: flues nor imptlssume.R asr exile, bad boa basil sesesed, the reetagy the shank els Or semi the burethespsedfty theirwwa plus. aka% bees. Huth ware the siese•beehe at a elk's, lee th e support of "Mak this probseset empire pelt Them deeds were deelnseltee of NMI samalley, tree sal reel re- Agin. To support sash leashisge was km than a *otiose' sin. Wks Gnat Draft should her pewlestaat chareatw, dm mould ahead= the ast keep mad ths mark birsoiags that she egged beyond ell Dams macs& esemirise. Oa the assieSsamee 'Wt protease eheatefte_ dyads/ rex adiata s t n epe-tor the peolisetha et Pawner& The hea. tbs. quoted from the Datraisr, a Rama an Wide ' aserlMsle ftholtoaL ti fthaleed tr= civil liberty' . sae " religi run ," sad &drain that it would be just se reliant le Oates for the "loslftemble right of suicide." (Laughiss.) Re was makelleed to my, that this artftie was from the _ pea of an eminent satholie, whew matheeity weld welsh with all the members of that essmanke. He exhorted the legislature no kart to seek to reermeile those who avowedly never Medi be reesmilled, bat to arrest that eiwawari : progrem es whisk that bad sawed. Let theta tkiaky. mad MI 0114geastiglity. Maynoodt had I bsen ; is an evil hear. it ,bad letibieed the isdiemetha ct Boberlga s erk gall ol lialm sen= h the bulwatio et ear t Its easmies. ("Hem, heir," Aftsr • few awe Meade bem the publhatisa Wive weltered to, the be an. geallemme ebeseved that ;what had boa earrbg agates& the do. aided sai lOU of the soustry, sad ked lift a feeling *a basest of the people, whisk must Ismer or Wee dad espromica. 1844, Sir Jima Gra ham bad adeasated the itayaorth great as a mums of ece =ithe Id& peftelhood tats the Waited !least at the pawalasst. Hal this eatielpaties bosh realised No. Pesateme sod ofthe island lathe otheiothesdests vete ia alliedhe people to &lithe nimbi., whisk eummitted; for the people ',t Vire me Igassea t that he did WON than at all. - Aar prig _lbe petrels to teach sae li what other resuitimuid be upsets& ? LeeMag st the dam beolui of leelb. be limftwitil that the lAA people were tenth's& ia their sebelliee. The boa.E= e thea =I from the evilness gi by Dr. the commute ia 1116, as so a r ia thisse bowl not to Maims say crime or conspiracy which might some to his ka Arro'CONNELL—Read the rest of the evident*. (" Rear, hear," and .. Order.") _Mr. SPOOiIBR had no objection to do so. The evidence et Dr. Murray was to the same effect. He mid that any cammualeatica made to a priest in confine= was invio lable, whatever might be • the crime to which it related. Could any government exist if that doctrine were generally acted upon? (Hear, hear.) Those who were taught that ea oath might be dispensed with for the benefit of their church could not be blamed if, as jurymen, they seetnittulprisoners in the face of the clearest evidense. One waster laid it down, on the authority of St. Thomas, that a man was justified in breaking his promise if the cir cumstances were changed. (Hear, hear.) With such a doctrine prevalent, what security could there be for the performriwa of any civil social, or raided duty ? The whets Wary of this of Maps** MAIM the modem width he should submit. Whoa the sustues made peisemest. there was • asamest ; emi if the mogul bad bees Intim ea mie side, why amid Meager be ebeerved ea the ether ? We woes mot bound to eastieus the gawk fir the teems is whisk ft was said. had &O ben kept. Aga* at the time it sues made, it was urged that the Whip was absolutely in want of support . No one scald believe that this was the cue now, ere the splendid ediftem is es. notion with the Roman C olio faith that INN ibisi fa every part of the kingdom. The lefties INN spread all through society, acting is the advise of Father Ignatius (late Mr. epsaesr.) They were striving to in:innate themselves Jab every pro testant family; and the result might easily be anticipated. It might be said that thestegled subjects ought not to be dimmed in that house ; bat he untended that in supporting popery they were supporting idolatry. The priest pretended to administer consolation and security to the dying man ; and his power was not limited by death, for he extorted money from the [departing on the pretence that he could secure their future happiness. The hon. gentlest& concluded by imploring the house to put down OF WRITS FOR AND LANCASTER. Oa the notion of Mr. B. Bnritan. - it was ordered that the Wastes of orideaes taken bin tle ties ionalittoo be plated mil Sat no OW* writ ie the &din et a swam fer tisk sky lo km* flit it 'woke, and Oa the notice of lir. Throws, the Wades of Mimeo takes before the laworater ocerwittee wire ordered to be plated, _sad that the Waft of the writ in that cue be samputtlod till the 4tlt u pe& - NOTICES OF NOTIONS. Mr. CRAWFORD, for Teak,. Bth of Much, a select sonatas* to umiak* hao tla sparattos of Shoals' Courts, sad the 0609 of sheriff is Ssellsad. with a visa to certain roisrma___ . . • . Ciel. KURE, fee UNA dry Delmimht, a Meet committee he ingetro tate the mmogememe of the National Gallery. Kr. HADFIELD, he time day fortnight, for leave to king is a bill to mead the law with mare to wills is mores to eediefle mol eddies*. CANADA ILISIBVES BILL. Nis J. PALLIKiTOII haw mime ebb Wadi= la Mo t ee ea eamosinot la Ihe men reading of 113 that it be rend • mead g m to that day six a'. s. begged alo to lopire whams the mad reeking sem ea es Mandy mt, list which day It was id moat AM, and if set, ? Lord J. RUSSELL replied that If the Onuses esti nom were Mimed leoirwrw, as it was heped they void be,they won be Wm as Money, aid the Clergy IlassrveriM ea the allowing Friday, bat he mid ast at Fond give a preithe =NM CZAI4III AGAINBT Ini BANK OP I/NOLAND. Ilis. 11•11111LWA1l widart de pat e oration to the cesium et the Ilisebegvar addle/ est d s paragraph I what had mem* la* a semi, found el thee bp so• &din ea Ile A* diiriaar at a hely with whisk be had Me bassiorte M mass keel. the questios be had to oh the eight him , gesthema was whether the pvemor sad asemeety el the Baal of liaglead were aware of the brew lies el the sevamment to ndaae the rate of balms, on Ireaseiser Nels hem lid. to 14. a day before the Int et ittbseary, the asematies esamyed la the i s=helag Oat they hod lees is peasselis of that same Ms et ihesaess Sep be sod had mod it ler their lil dth=tl The el rte ZICHNCIIIZZ said—The hems willibigive me if I ardeavear to give aa mower to the wreaks erg eight boa. kind has pat to me la the most dielneaterms I am able to eammsaa. far it ha goer ties while h set ettisisOrt eta lIIMMOIS elder, Maas ss it doss to distailist of ea Naiiiimest Maadies es t issi c es gis sethesties se the Disk liastrad. end drseater ft is se wesearay The to whiskey Um. Simi atmwrithe stailmist. set of s *rad. bat et the emempladist el a earth* Is a sargiermas uta k wee to Se eihet Met ism wee ask pees& but a paseemplies e lima the leek el &OM was aware at the MIMI= el the Cherwell*, ef the Es le mime the rate of Wrath ea Ea , *slaw Me le • pony a day sumo embietabio time base that missies leek piss, sod thee it avid itself of this imewisdp to mil a imp ameane of Bgh at a peados mu* *bur tag m lissaa likely to realise elhe suit ramie& is is eabilmee the statement to width my hen. Mewl hes reher•L s = hear.) Now, the meet gate visa the Weededi d the male o f Welsh as I:cheque Bills beam lusevra to the psi* wee on the WM of thh mealls-the time when Ws head me whitit determined tbe Maeda' wee per hold was the main of lbe 1114 sad I did not thisk it stilt to _ask say advise *sea re tine of the r leak of Bei*md. or take mg slept* aseseteia the opinioa of tbe Rewash ad She espratyiewsnor of that ate hibbseat es the snidest say hog time before thee period; sad it was only on the dame= of Sep tardy, the 12th, that I addremed a note to the governor requesting, him and the deputy-governor to favour me with their company in Dewaing-street, at an • early houron the 14th; nor did I in that seta specifically state I the object upon which I wished to confer with them, but that it was upon a 'abject on which it was necessary a decision should be come to on tits Wedgy. No doubt, though the purpose was not stated in distinct term, the .iternor and 'demity-goveenor, with their knowledge of busbies, would gathir from the :iota that it must relate' ta the interest en Eschequer Bills; but the hones will see from this statement that no communication was addressed by me to them until the 12tk,which is a conclusive answer to the imputation that has been so rashly made. (Cheers.) It was on the morn ing of Monday, the 14th, that I first saw the governor and deputy-governor, and consulted with them; and wh en th e y left me, about the middle of that day, they were even then not possessed of what my final intentions on the subject were. (Rear.) I hope, therefore, if there is the slightest doubt in the mind of any man on the enbiect i that what I hove now stated will be sufficient to dispel it. (Chars.) And I think it is but just to the O w " aor and deputy-governor of " of !Noland 0 . should add that they are not in the hepter though the. sass their mom my war or degree responsible for the course take n . by the Chancellor of the Etc . mendation, as they always do, in um moo : b`nnk and /tuna,) , spirit, of what they thought beet for the public interest. (Rear.) I, on the part of the government, gave their recom mendation the attention to which it was entitled, deter mined, however, to take that line of conduct which I thought the public interests demanded, and they are in no manner or degree responsible. (Cheers.) CLERGY RESERVES, CANADA. Sir J. PAKINGTON, pursuant to notice, asked the hon. gentleman, the Under Secretary for the Colonies, whether he had any objection to lay upon the table of the house the following papers A letter recently written by the Lord Bishop of Quebec to the Duke of Newcastle, on the sub ject of the clergy reserves in Canada. 2. The despatch from Sir John Pakington to the Earl of Elgin, which would have been sent by the mail of Friday, December 16th, in reply to his lordship's despatch of September 22nd (forwarding an address to the Queen from the Legislative Assembly of Canada, on the subject of the clergy reserves), had not the late government tendered their reugaations to her Majesty on that day ? Mr. PEEL said there was some difficulty in regard to the parr No. 2, which was not a despatch, for it had never been signed, but was the mere draft of a despatch ; and he was not aware of any instsnee in which the mere draft of a despatch had been laid before the house. The hon. gentle imam was then understood to assent to the production of the Letter in question. THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. Sir J. PAK INGTON begged to ask the Under Secre tary of State for the Colonies, whether any reports have been received at the Colonial-office, of the proceedings of two public meetings held in the colony of the Caps of Good Hope, on the 22nd day of November, 1852, one at Uiten base, and the other at Graham's Town, at which strong ap probation was expressed of the policy of the late govern ment with respect to the constitution ordinances ; and at the latter resolutions were unanimously adopted, declaring the " unalloyed satisfaction " of the meeting at the post ponement of the constitution, and passing a vote of thanks to Sir John Prkiagton for hie despatch of September the 4th, in which he stated the grounds on which her Majesty's government had decided upon that postponement. Mr. PEEL said that nothing was known of any meeting at Uitenhage ; but the chairman of the meeting at Gra ham's Town, had forwarded a copy of the proceedings to General Cathcart. Sir J. PAHINGTON asked whether the hon. gentleman Lad heard that the British portion of the population at the Cape, was likely to be considerably diminuked by emigra tion to Australia. Mr. PEEL—No; we have received no inch information. REFORM OF THE BOARD OF cusroms._ Mr. HORSFALL begged to uk the Chenoellor of the Exchequer when it is the intention of her Majesty's govern ment to bring forward the subject of a reform of the Board of Customs t 'hiIS — CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was not in a condition at the present moment to say whe• they any msasvw Gould be brought forward by the govern ment for the iIIifrOVIMINA of the Board of Customs. PRECEDENCE OILROHAR_pATHOLIC BISHOPS IN IRELAND. Mr. BUTT begged to ask the noble lord the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, since his acces sion to Aloe, any Instructions had been issued from the Home•office to the authorities at Dublin Castle with regard to the awarding of rank and precedence to the Roman catholic bishops in Ireland ; and, if so, whether there is any objection to lay the despatch containing such instruc tions on the table of the house ? _ . LoriPALMERSTON—No instructions hue been sent on that subject. (" Hear," and a laugh.) COMMITTEE BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. - Mr. E. DENISON rem' to call the attention of Lord J. Russell to the state of the Committee Business of the House and to ask him a question upon it. At this moment there were ten public committees sitting, independently of three of the appointment of which notices were on the paper of to day, on one of which it was proposed to put 27 members. Besides those there were several election committees nominated, and it was proposed to name several more in each week between this and Easter. Then there were 63 private bills which had passed their second readings, and were ready for committees to be nominated by the com mittee of selection. He wished to invite the attention of the noble lord to this state of the business, and to ask if he would endeavour to arrange with gentlemen who wished to propose select committees to postpone them, except in cases of extreme urgency, till the time of members was more at their command than at present. Lord J. RUSSELL said that seeing the number of com mittees which were sitting, and would be proposed, :he thought it would be advisible not to appoint more select , committees, and he hoped hon. gentlemen would consent, ' unless they were very wrest, to poelpone any further ap pointments till later la the session. He hoped the hon. member for Dover, who had given notice of a committee to-day. would com ply with that suggestion. Mr. RICE said under the circumstances he should not press his motion. CIVIL SERVANTS OF THE CROWN. Sir Dili:kV/14i begged to sal Tits Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the government hays it in contempla tion to take any and what measures, during the present ses sion, with reference to the petition of the civil servants of the crown, presented to the House Of Commons on the 2nd of Deonsber, 1852 ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Rid this question, which hardly espielni itself by the words in which it was wow, Ringed to s WOW of great ion** snot, namely, as iftliss an the part of the civil ser vants he a ineinde et lb. ligegennagEss Ad, which mead MA ameldnebilte Emir andlogierin The geverentent did net pewee le kilo k say meows ea the lebject in the menet eau lie. Me had the teener mate seemidees tins, sad bed bask inumeniestioe with the melon gad it weak be sem essvnieet if the bon. and plant nentle mea weld mew le jeeps for the pen% end Idle he (the cheeßileg glithe Maio w) ) hen en *meta nifir Obtain hie visa ea MA (3110011! OOfl __ _ Xt. KIM Ali efibTOhZirr atte st = wheats/ the stheramet hog OOMIS Ie with mai to the ien Oat he Who Its CHANCBL W& a tr. ER. NU that he wee Mill of the grog !Mutest tam co this Ruth nail mg aid wake qpisillis. Nei he bevel to b. thie to manna the Weeds= et the 'wombat ea Tbsielay. APPOINTMENT OP A DEPUTY BPLUOIS: Sir E. IL INGLIS moved fer • whet oeseathho to ma dder the beat =sae of yonblief ler the easealies el the office of lipeehee, is the avast of 11r...~e imareidahle im m 4slmbdure absence W reams of E ls em ether ems. Re out the SUISUN sataie of the ha which V I A! posed to petivido—• math/way le odd, had bona widowed by every ether hibialive In the wodd. iaelaiieg the *lbw boa& at the is dele washy. Ile deo minted OA Ode 1•14701 by ibe hut as of the the isewho. = beam wed by their oesedeiri ; sad d ialled to s ail hallows is la • Speaker bed impeded podia bedews by Mem so • da whim aerNia dregs of eand *aft alherwite hav y e bees brought web* Ma ' Kr. MIIIIM semidesei the propeddea altegetlew race eawary, as the midway alight eddy be left, u hitherto, to porde for itself. The modes WY speed tot *MOOTS. . _ Mr. ROW= proutilitiCenir7l petition, WWI the semliananse tths peat to liagassik use Wog Igoe& by 17.100 Wishbone a Ilosobastat ogrosi to at • palate meeting. Mr. LUCAS said the petition etatebet the expression " Rade deettlaso at Msynooth." He took neoptioa to that aogreillni. He asked the Speaker whether it wee to order, It reedy* a petition whielt was worded in a way whisk was wounding to the feelings of assay sambas of tits bows. The SPEAKER sill the rules of the Imes did not pre ' mut the matlen ni t ai milved. Ur. ROME that Mr. Spooner should strike ths mamba, the come which he had him. nal mo presetnad tam be phrase in petitions he had es was Mr. SPOONER seder seek eireemstanas he should not meant the maths et ell. He could not take upon himself to aka amain& Abe ease Snel Gemination the petition was ordered to lie at the tads. Mr. SPOONER than rose to We the resolution of wide!' he had given netko—" TIM this hems do resolve itself into a oseunitleshe waskla Ms ea II lk 9 Vie., e. 26, bast An Ad M eetned We GM wad in Ireland for the betty Muslim et ;wee peelmeleg the Rama Mho .=sea he She better feeenowe et We mew at Iligoseett for the elowthe If seek sad also as eat passed in the pedienta P i e giTA Kingdom la ermadieg the said two nib: ems seely called the La Mame* Mt, with view te repel et those damn of the WA est which peed& wow pow in any way to the sad sak es. "_ Re aid OM whoa, during the lest pediment, he Smelt it hls dotty to bring before the thee Ram of Comm, the slam et education carried ea at M.e with, and abed fora WM committee, he said he was *p to preys that the edema= there carried es was interims to Nasty, wren davimatel to morality, was subversive of due alleglean to the sovereign, and was antagonistic to the holy wad of God. How was he met ? By no small degree of mama abuse, with the insinuation of sinister motives ; that he wished to raise an electioneering ay, but he was sot asst with a single denial of the truth of statements. With these admissions he felt no necessity for further inquiry. He now asked that the house should do its duty to the country, to the sovereign, and to itself. Every one of them had sworn to do the best in their power to support the esta blished religion. (No.) No ? Then he would read the oath. What was the oath taken by protestant members ? " And Ido swear that I will bear faithful and true alle giance to her Majesty Queen Victoria, and her I will defend to the Waked of my power whist all Milton ; conspired's, . - this aelablitinnentj if trice were not done, the Romish priests Would become nimbus this coun try, which was still seutially protestant, thank it might go far in the way et concession. Let the government, as protestant zalaietses of a protestant sovereign, stand by that ign, and enable her to support that protestant constitution which she was sworn to uphold. (Hear, bear.) Kr. JAMES M'OREGOR seconded the motion, because he had a perfect conviction of the necessity of inquiry. (Hear, bear.) A large number of the middle class in this country were dissatisfied with the state of things at May nooth, and the way to set them right—if they Wert wr?ng wee el masa( a committee of inquiry. (Ironicas cheer, from the Irish members, there being ao motion for a committee of inquiry.) The motion before the house was for the appeintment of a committee of inquiry. (Laughter, . and cries of No, no.") The motion, he pereeivsd, was for a committee of the whole house, but it was competent for any of th e members on his le ft (the Irish members) to move for a select committee of inquiry. They should either refute the statements made or show them to be false. Mr. SCHOLEFIELI) rose to propose the following amendment: "To leave out all the words after the word ' consider' and to substitute the following words, ' all enactments now in force, whereby the revenue of the state is charged in aid of any ecclesiastical or religious pur poses whatsoever, with a view to the repeal of such enact ments.'" He congratulated himself that the terms of the amendment did not all on him to enter into any of the controvenial topics which formed the staple of his hon. friend's speech on this as on former occasions. He would leave the statements of his hon. friend to be replied to by others, but whether these statements we•e true or not, the amendment he proposed was equally en titled to the support of those who, on both sides, professed themselves the friends of religious equality. (Hear, hear.) He concurred with his hon. friend in the propriety of getting rid of the Maynooth endowment; but there were two things in which he did not agree with him. He did not agree with him in those unbounded fears which seemed to fill his mind as to the danger which threatened their protestant institutions from the college of Maynooth. He would recommend his hon. friend to discard these fears, and to have greater confidence in those protestant institu tions—(bear, bear)—which would never be so secure as when they discarded state support, and relied on their own inhe rent strength. (Cheers.) It appeared to him, as to his hen. friend, that Maynooth was en endowment the result of which was the propagation of error; but then he recol looted that what was truth to him was error to others. (Ilea:, hear.) His hon. friend, on the other hand, saw only one set of consciences, and those pro testant consciences. (Hear, hear.) He should know, however, that there were other grants under acts of parliament, which must violate the consciences of Roman catholic., just as much as the May nooth grant violated the conscience of his hon. friend. (Hear, hear.) And it was but common justice that their consciences should he as tenderly treated by the House of Commonsas that of his hon. friend. (Cheers.) He (51r. Scholefield) claimed religious liberty for himself, and he was prepared as freely to concede it to others. (Cheers.) His hon. friend, he knew, would say that he wished in no way to interfere with the entire religious freedom of the Roman catholic* ; yet he (Mr. Scholefield) thought he could point to disabilities of a somewhat onerous character which still affected the Roman catholics—(hear, bear) — and the principle of religious Lreedom was as much violated by the denial of equal privilfges as by actual persecution. If they endowed one particular sect at the expense of others, it was pro tanto a religious persecution of those sects. (Hear, hear.) The object of his amendment was to piece all on a footing of complete religious equality. He would make no reference to the Regium Donum, be cause that wu the subject of an annual vote in the House of Commons. But there were other grants under act of parliament, and therefore standing in precisely the same position with the grant to Maynooth. He held in his hand a return of such grants which was moved for by a gentleman who he regretted was no longer a member of the house—Mr. Anstey—and who did good service in promoting the cause of religious equality under circum stances of singular difficulty. (Hear, hear.) He found in this return that there was an endowment under act of par liament of 20,3001. for the malaria and expenses of eccle siastical establishments in the West Indies, 3,0001, for the expenses of the office of the commissioners for building additional churches, 11,9001. for the augmentation of the stipends of the parochial clergy of the church of Scotland; 6,0001. for additional churches in the Highlands and islands of Scotland. (Hear, hear.) Besides these, there was a large number of items, small in amount, but equally vicious in principle ; some of which were charged upon the Woods and Forests, some on the Consolidated Fund, some on the customs, and some on the inland . (Hear, hear.) His object was to repeal the whole of these grants. (Hear, hear.) He had no desire to avoid a decision on the main question, for upon that be was as ready now u he bad been on a former occasion to meet the public feeling on the subject. (Hear, hear.) If his amendment were lost, he frankly owned that he would vote against the proposi tion of his hon. friend. (Hear, hear.) If he had done no other good by his amendment, he felt that the question would gain progress in public opinion thereby. (Hear.) He had been asked if he wished to get rid dell endowments why he did not get rid of the Maynooth grant. Because he had a strong opinion that the selection of Maynooth was the worst that could be made—(hear, hear)—it wu evidence of an unjust and ungenerous policy and therefore he was not disposed to adopt it. (Hear, Lear.) If they were to have piecemeal legislation on this subject, they should com mence with the most powerful first, and not with the endowment for Maynooth, which was a college for the education of the clergy of a religion professed by one-third of her Majesty's subjects, and thou the most destitute. (Hear, hear.) He begged to remind his hon. friend of the language which had been used by the right hon. gentle man the Chancellor of the Exchequer last year on this subject. Be said, "If this endowment be withdrawn, then the parliament that withdraws it must be pre pared to enter on the whole subject of the recon struction of our ecclesiastical endowments." (Hear, hear.) Was his hon. friend prep ared for such a re-construo tion ? " Was he pre to introduce this new element of danger into the estab lished church, which was already sur rounded by dangen on e aide ? He was aware how imperfectly he bad deve loped the subject he introduced to the house, but he trusted he had at all events raised it from the narrow sectarian grounds on which it bad been laid by his hon. friend, and placed it on the broad ground of reh gions liberty, on which alone it could be treated with common justice to all the parties Interested in the ques tion. (Loud cheers.) Sir W. CLAY seconded the amendment. The corner stone of our faith was the right of private judgment, which right was incompatible with the endowment of any parti eu religion by the state. The time was coming when it would be necessary to revise our entire religions system, and in Ireland he was not quite clear that the time had not arrived. In the event of the amendment being rejected, he would follow the course of Mr. Scholefield. Mr. iTaitEVILLE defended the endowment and op posed the motion. Mr. MULL spoke generally in favour of religious li be7l. BALL supported the motion. Mr. DUFFY was glad that the bon. member for War wickshire bad made some additions to his case this year in the shape of extracts frees seven Irish newspapers and one English periodical. He (Mr. Duffy) knew something of those Irish journals, and be avid declare that there was not one of them but was a thorough partisan against the =lof Ireland. Their very awes were enough in Ire , Saunderes Noss Lair, the Lansaw Ezyiress, the Corks. Sentinel, the reksisim Moderstor. Why they were notorious as cantina& ashmeniatees, end their state menb were not answered, ben no me thought them worthy of an answer. Not em of the melded in either ever saw them. They had ao droalatloa in Ireland. They had too long traded fa lies and slander for clergymen and gentlemen to admit them into their houses. Then as to the work written by Sir Francis Head, who spent a fortnight in Ireland, one week of which wee spent in making his observations and the other in pandering on what he had observed. Under the head of " Priests published Swelter" he gave a very ferocious extract from a speech of the Rev. David Bell. Now, it happened that that ferocious priest happened to be a pr esbyterian minister in Ulster. (Laughter.) Again, he gave extracts from the speeches of the Rev. J. Hamilton and the Rev. Mr. Ferguson, who were both also presbr tartan ministers. Then was another speech so atrocious that Sir Francis Head hesitated to give hie name, and de scribed as " the Rev. —, of —;" and he gave an ex tract of that rev. gentleman's speech to the effect " that the time would come when It wonH be as hard for an extermi nating landlord to get into parliament as for a camel to go through the eye of a nee" Now, it to happened that the Rev. —, —, did not as hat, as it was an extract from a s p eech of h is (lir. 'a) own. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) With regard to English periodi cal referred to by the hon. saber kr Warwickshire, it was rather hard that catholic gentlemen in Ireland should be made answerable for the daserlass eta =wine pub lished in London. He (Mr. Daffy) knew keno wee each a publication as the Earratier, but be refuel le be menet able for anything that appeared in it ; aml, ae is the doc trines contained in the extract read by the hem gentleman, he repudiated it—it was no doctrine of his, and are Roman catholic. He had anxiously listened to ameariaia what practical result was sought by this motionr-what was wanted. What was to follow the withdrawal tithe grant? Was it expected that . it would prevent the teething of the BOOM catholic religion, and the training of Irish (Hear, hear.) When it was martyrdom kr Zoman catholic priests in Ireland to teach their religion these were plenty of them found to do their duty, regardless et easse queues. When there was no College of Maynooth, Roman catholic priests were not wanting to Ireland, and they were supported by foreign sovereigns. If this motion was car ried and the priests cast on their own resources, perhaps the President of the United States and the Emperor of the French would perhaps be glad to renew their relations with them. There was only one practical result which would ensue if this resolution was carried, and that was, that the established church in Ireland would not long outlive it. Were Roman catholic', if this small sum was refused them, to go on paying the established church. He (Mr. Duffy) fbr one said, that if the grant was withdrawn he would never pay a shilling of tithes. If you could not stop the Roman catholic teaching, was it to insult the Roman eatho- UM that this motion was brought forward ? Did it become parliament, year after year, to go through this farce? Who were you email lag ? Two dozen ecclesiastics, the professors at Maynooth, who, budded making that college an admirable theological seminary, had contributed greatly to English literature. As to the politics of those professors, they were most of them more in accordance with those of that house than with his (Mr. Duffy's). He knew the motion would not be carried; for he had seen of late a tendency towards • wiser principle of legislation, based on the wishes and feelings of the people. That was evidenced in the manner in which the wishes of the colonists at the Cape and Van Diemen's Land had been met in regard to the transport'. tion of convicts, and which was illustrated still more in the bill relating to the clergy reserves in Canada, which would mcct with his (Mr. Daffy's) cordial support. He invited the house and the government to extend that principle to Ireland—(hear, hear)—to consult the feelings of the people of that country, and to base legislation upon their wishes. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. YOUNG expressed his regret that the hon. mem ber for Warwickshire should have brought forward this proposition, which could not be attended with any useful consenuence" and could not fail to increase a religious • • • alarm which was felt in England, as well ill Velum. feel: ings in Ireland. The ground on which this college wad originally founded was not that of kindness merely to the Roman catholic priests, but it was on the ground of impe rial policy. It was to p these Roman cathclic priests, who in times past and times present, and who, if hloynooth were abolished to-morrow, would continue to exercise great influence in Ireland, being imbued with fo reign impressions and ultramontano opinions. What was done by Sir Robert Peel in 1845 ? lio found that the endowment originally granted by the Irish parlia ment was not sufficient; that the people heal more than doubled; and that there was a proportionate increase of priests. And hero be would, on one point, correct the hon. gentleman, when he said that Meynooth supplied priests not only to Ireland but to other countries. Ile believed it scarcely supplied enough for Ireland. But Sir It. Peel found that the buildings were dilapidated, the supply of food and bedroom isccomw-- - ' • inadequate. ana that in order to make the funds go further the young men had to lengthen their vacations • and that they bad to leave the college before their education was completed. He determined to remedy that state of things, and he afterwards said that his measure was received with as much gratitude as he could expect—(laughter)—with as much gratitude as a statesman could expect. There wero some natures on whom generosity could make an impres sion. But Sir Robert Peel felt that he was doing his duty, and that if kindly feelings were not awakened in the Ito , man catholic/ of Ireland they ought to be awalc ened. He (Sir J. Young) believed there were thou sands of Roman catholics in Ireland, whose pulses beat more kindly to this country in consequence of that increased grant. (Hear, hear, hear.) He was not prepared to deny or excuse the improper proceedings at the last election, but let them not be too hasty to condemn. Look at the circumstances. Great excitement prevailed in Rngland, and it prevailed with tenfold force in Ireland. There was • government jut come into office, the members of which were all supposed to be hostile to the people. And then there was the affair at Stockport, in which the Roman catholics were ill treated. After all, however, there were from GO to 80 elec tions in Ireland, and there were 3,000 priests, and the hon. gentleman had only adduced some eleven or twelve charges. If he wished to change the whole body of prints in the land, the evidence was most inadequate and insufficient. The hon. gentleman had argued mainly as if this were exclu sively protestant money. Now he believed there were in Ireland three millions and a half or four mil lions of catholics, and in England another million, and they paid probably near ten millions of taxes ; and did they grudge them so small a pittance u 30,0001. for the education of the priests they revered? It was a policy adopted by the sagacious and the far-seeing, for the honour and advantage of their country. The hon. gentleman spoke of persecution. Ile could not send catholics to prison, but he would if ho could. But would he stop abort with this resolution ? If it were car ried, why should not the same principle be carried out ? Was it to be applied to the Roman catholic chaplains of the workhouses, and of gaols, and of the different regiments? This would be the beginning of a retrograde policy ; a policy which prevailed in Ireland in the last century, and which be believed was the cause of far the greater part of the evils which afflicted that country. He would only now quote an opinion given by the Duke of Wellington, iu the House of Lords, when be was pressing on that house, in the last debate, the propriety of increasing the endowment to Marnooth. He said: "There is a great religious prin ciple involved in this measure the principle of abstaining from persecution. My lords, you are strong. Abstain then (eons persecuting the weak. It is your duty to give effect to this principle, and to abstain from even the appearance of persecution." Those were the words of the Duke of Wellington on enforcing the increased grant. He (Sit J. Young) appealed to the House of Commons in the same spirit. The protestants of this empire were strong, unbounded in their wealth, irresistible in their energy and intelligence: let them not forget their own strength, or stay in their course. It might he that they had received unworthy provocation, but let them go for ward in the consciousness of their own strength, walking in the glorious light of their own purefaith, and let them adopt this principle of toleration, not merely as • profession, not as lip service, but as real and earnest practice ; let them adopt that principle of toleration, and let them evince that they were not the advocates of persecution, by rejecting, as he was sure a large majority of them would reject, the unworthy and ungracious motion of the hon. gentleman. (Cheers.) Mr. J. B. STANHOPE agreed that if they admitted the principle of supporting Maynooth it ought not to be dons In a parsimonious spirit. He denied that the promises which had been made, that the priest would be grateful if the grant were increased, had been tuffiled. He wished that the Roman catholics bad carried out the real meaning of the act of 1795, and had endowed their col lege with their own money ; but as the objects of the ori ginal grant, namely, to prevent ultramontaue tendencies in the priesthood, had signally failed, parliament could be called upon no longer to continue their support to the in stitution. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FAGAN moved that the debate be adjourned till this day. Agreed to. PUBLIC HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL. Mr. MACKENZIE obtained leave to bring in a bill for the better regulation of public-houses in Scotland. EXPIRING LAWS. Mr. WILSON nominated the committee on Expiring Laws, namely—Mr. Wilson, Mr. Wilson Patten, Mr. At torney-General, Mr. Osborne, Mr. Freshfleld , Mr. Hume, Mr. Aglionby, Sir John Young, Mr. Fitzroy, Mr. Hayter, Mr. Peel, and Mr. Cardwell—three to be the quorum. Agreed to. - INDIAN TERRITORIES COMMITTEE. Sir C. WOOD moved "That be discharged from farther attendance on the Indian Ter ritories Committee ; and that Mr. Joha Fitzgerald be added." Agreed to. NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND.) Mr. GROGAN moved for a summary of the returns of the Commimionen of National Education in Ireland for the year 1851, of 1. Total number of school fees received by the teachers of national schools in the year 1801; 2. Total number of school, in which the amount of school fees received in the year 1851 was under five pounds. 3. Total number of schools the teachers of which received no income from school fees in the year 1861. 4. Total amount of local contributions (not school fees) towards the payment of teachers' salaries in the year 1851. 5. Total number of schools which received no aid from local contributions (not school fees) in the year 1851.. 6. Total number of schools the teachers of which received neither school fees nor any other local contribution. 7. Total number of schools with out a dwelling rent free for the teacher. 8: Total number of teachers whose total income from their Schools in the year 1851 was under 2W. 9. Total number of teachers trained in the training schools since they were first opened, distinguishing male from female. 10. Total number of teachers employed in National Schools in the year 1851 who had been trained, distinguishing male from female. 111. Total number of teachers employed in the year 1851 who had not bean trained, distinguishing male from fe male. Tina to. THE PRINTING The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Mond That Mr. Stratt and Sir John Young be added to the Printing Committee." Agreed to. THE LIBRARY COMMITTEE. Sir B. INHIE 71e7e41 71 fhWilrtilotnRussell, Sir Charles Wood, Sir James Graham, Sir John Young, the Lord Advocate, Mr. Sidney Herbert, and Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, be added to the °matinee appointed to 'mist Mr. Speak.; lathe direction of the library." Agreed to. SUPPLY. The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up and agreed to. OFFICE OF BR (COURT OF CHANCERY) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Mr. MULLINGS moved an amendment on clause 3. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL resisted the amendment, on the ground that it would go in a great measure to nulli the rest of the bill. He himself had some verbal amend mints to propose in the clause. Some members had sup yaed this bill specially referred to the gentleman who had acted as examiner before the bill of last session paned; but any one who read the bill must have seen that it was confined to the examiners appointed subsequently to the passing of that act. Mr. G. M. BUTT said the act of last session limited the pension of the examiner to 3001. a year, and only gave it after 30 years' service. He objected to a gentleman being entitled to claim a pension after 20 years' service, when is the full vigour of his professional knowledge and skill. Mr. BAGOE thought the hon. member for Salford ought to adopt the same course with regard to the present govern ment which he adopted when his (Mr. Bagge's) party were in power; namely, resist the proceeding with business after twelve o'clock. (Laughter.) He (Mr. Bagge) now moved that the chairman report Mr. BROTHERTON si l iA CT :rad been in the hone for 12 hours, and the bon. gentleman bad only just come in. (Laughter) Mr. PATTEN asked if Mr. Bagge would persevere with his amendment. Mr. BADGE said he should. Lord J. RUSSELL said he understood the hon. gentle man hail agreed to withdraw it. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend, the member for Salford, had endeavoured to stop public business after twelve o'clock, but ho did not think that he had been abte to succeed with either government. (. Hear, hear," and laughter.) The amendment was then withdrawn. Mr. G. BUTT proposed u an amendment the substitu tion of " thirty " for "twenty ," as the number of years' service a ft er which the retiring allowance should commence. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL defended tbo clause as , it stood. Mr. HENLEY supported the amendment. The committee divided— For the word` twenty," as in the clause 37 For the amendment 2O-17 Some other verbal amendments were made iu tyc clause, and the house resumed, when the bill was rcporttd. The house adjourned at half-paat one o'clock.