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IMPERIAL P. HOUSE OF LORI/S.-MI I; &WAY. JVLT 21. Loan CaLscm.i.os took Ai. .eat M o'clock. !ABASH VESTRIES (No. 2) BILL.—SPITALFIELDS TO BRUNEI/ITCH IMPROVEMENTS BILL. Them Mc were eterwetively remi a .eeoad time. COPTHOLDS BILL. Thu bill was rood a third time and pared. ENTAILS (SC)TLAND) BILL. Thi. Dill was rood • sound time. BANKRUPTCY (SCOTLAND) BILL.—BATTERSEA. PARK BILL.—WESTMINSTER-BRIDOE BILL. Timm bills were socually read a third time asd pawed. LAND REVENUES BILL Tit* more is this bill WSJ roveriv.4 *tth anicadmen COINAGE OFFENCES (COLONIES) BILL. TRANSPOUTATION BILL. 71la bill was woad • third use and pawed. COLONIAL CHURCH REGULATION BILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, in moving the com mittee on this bill, said that great inconvenience had been felt in many of the colonies, especially in Australia, from the waist of a proper administfatim of the affairs of the church, the laws of this country not being applicable to the colonies. Many attempts had been made towards etfecting this ob ject ; and there was a general concurrence is the fooling that some legislation was necessary, end that in any plan which might be propused the lay members of the church about.' have a considerable share in the administration of Its affairs, and that nothing should be done which should have say tendency to separate the church in the colonies from the church is the rautticr country. Those objects hail been kept strictly i• view in framing the present bill, and he had taken care that none t f those jealousies which oedinazdy arose in the (Monies should be created by this After a few words from Eul WALDZOILATr i , whit l were Laudable, Lord oIONTEAGLE said the problem seemed to be how to give the means of selleeeernment to the colonial church with the least possible ri.k of inconvenience. He did not understood the term " regolations" in the bill. No regulation should be made which would be at variance with the Book of Common Prayer, or which would alter the Thirty-nine Article.. Latter this clause it would be still open to the sysed to raise controversies on matters of faith. Ile would therefore suggest the adoption of words which had received the sanction of the colonial bishops themselves, in a memorial addressed to Sir J. l'akingtoo, from Australia, namely, that the power to frame laws for the discipline and manage ment of the church should in no means estend to any in terference with or alteration of the doctrines and forms of worship. The Bishop of LONDON thouaht the bill effectually pro vided against the dangers pointed out by his noble friend. His noble friend was afraid lest the Sj nod should take upon them greater power than was intended to be given by the power of making regulations. But if they had not the power of making revelations, there would be no use in these assemblies at all. He hoped that their lordship would pass the bill. The Earl of DARROWDY said that the bill seemed to him to omit that which was its very object, namely, the providing of some tribunal for getting rid of improper clergymen. (Hear, hear.) TOO Archbishop of CANTERBURY said that not only was there no specific provision for that purpose in the bill, but it was intentionally left out, because it was considered that this was a matter which would be better left to those la the colony, than that they should constitute such • tsi banal here, at so great • distance from the colony. The Bishop of SALISBURY said the bill was intended to be merely permissive. It was to enable the members of the church of Eoglawl to do such thiop as the members of all other religious communities could do. It was a case, therefore, in which they were not to look for compulsory power, either from the local assembly or the crown, or, least of all, from the imperial legislature, to give force to these regulations. The Earl of DERBY said that in that ease the synods would have the same power which the dissenting bodies lead, namely, would be able to deprive clergymen of their benefices. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that was most care fully guarded against, not only by the fourth clause, but alseby the way in which the first clausewas dravrn,from which it would be seen that these synods would have no power whatever over or against the laws of this country or the colo nial laws. Everything of a compulsory or enacting Ware was carefully avoided throughout the bill. The Earl of HARROWBY did not think that any answer had been Riven to his objection. The Bishop of SALISBURY said be conceived the state of the case to be this. Every church bad in itself a natural and inherent right of regulating its own discipline. There fore every church had the right to make arrangements as to the manner in which its own discipline should be exercised unless tbat_power should be prevented by extraneous impe diments. They believed that the church in the colonies had the right to exercise discipline of this kind, bat certain imperial laws put such incoeveniences is the way that that power wee not capable of being exercised. The object of the bill was to remove those iNi• pediments, and to give power to memblies to the colonies to define the rules under which **prim amid Co exer cised. He did not say that those synods osaidlotod a court themselves, for such a court virtually existed already. The sy nods were to lay down the regulations under which the woo to miry eat that inherent power or discipline erhleb h peammed. nom regulations wore to bays the mulles of the sow, sot that web 'motion gays they soy Wtr i oo. but OW It we that ossookal forte, which was en the easeeleatm Mauld HARROWDY said that after all he had heard it to hint that the bill ought *et to pus in its ~leee Sipe . Basket si OXFORD said the church in the colonies wee ei ie leallied as a purely spiritual body, while the Omni at Mao wee • mixture of persons having different spiritual owl temporal rights. The bill would give no power to apses clergy ben any civil Status which they Night puma There were taw eases in the colonies of 'kW Wing rinfissel el basedees ; the great body received ftLitda or saistriss, so keg es they held the license of the el des dimes c bat whim that &use wu withdraws, *orop woe eleigedt els. Ms beg bean felt to be a great biseeidpi mad it we theseesse proposed to give the syaods such pouts of dissigitale soda shwa at home would pommel if it wen SUM allow wilh *estate. The synods would have no to INIIIIMS dame chip who wen is posses sion 'ef whisk were eivi rights. The bill was confined to ssguistles spiritual Mahn. He valid not i ront ffirilm which had been thrown out of giving essissia marts in this country juris ction over the shwa tr the colonise. This would M an interferes** with the eights el the Weans, and would not he melted with laver. To eseablieb such scales iastisol mem to the Weals wadi hew the effect of exciting the *leafy et ether seileteas beam% who would we in It ea eneespt te elevate the ebaseh es a pe destal above tbs.. By awe* eieleibe the 'glutei ebarebes, as it wen, in the tormatisa et mark the bill went as to as it was safe to proceed in that dilution. It would Mrsagthen the cherish of England by saatang it to lay down rules foe Its own conduct; eagle Impel tbelsoare would count to it. It was obliged tat the bill gays power to an ecclesiastical body ; bat it only gave that power to the whole body of the church, lay as well as den ad, by agreement s he themselves. It was to only mesas of enabling the slush la the colonies to manage its ow. affairs. The Earl of CHICHI/Ma 11116•11111pri the satire power of depriving • arm= sr bb 4114, 111 2 =ntly of its ersolessents. lbw& it objectless* ye • new power like this Ms • NSW body. The Berl of DERBY add it monen le hint that OM bill mould mitigate the umbsibia wbbb bat Wiliest* boss ..._card eese libumani inmates. W regard W than who mew r posemeles of what men swanks* to a bereft la We eemaily. be it de sirable that it amid be mere (dearly erg hat the brio& wen aft to writhe Ile _power of segandlit ear this slam albs dingy. • wing sWese oft-avi d ~ %mid M. twat, babe that Indl aims. The dun Maw et.saly rekerisi aim where the my roar; Ist it would be bort to limit the pees la the way The Dake P n Ii &CASTLE said the bill had been ONO eiderahly altered elms it was first printed, on his ; and he thought, as it stood now, that the 411:= wee seneesseary. If the sable earl (Derby) ambit y► .sad the Mt dame, he would see there wee se Jaw of web ea interpretation being pat spelt the power of the sped, a he anticipated. Tlis Bishop of LONDON repeated the &manna given by to Bishop of Oxford, as to the limited powers conferred ag the bal. Tit Lead CHANCELLOR suggested that the objection We be remmed by the insertion of • few words at the sal of shwa 3 ; te the effect---" or deprived of any civil Vista whisk he easy be by law entitled." wee agreed to, and the clause as amended was " Cid of surred the missies of a por- ties of the ant hawse. The Bishop of OXFORD said that the bin was the see salt of very eared deliberations, at widish elm et the North American church, and epieend from Australia and the Cape had rsisteL OW pressed the wishes of the colonial church, aid stw lightly to be altered by their lordships. It dolly the disabilities of the imperial law, which pnwsgaTE eolonial Whops horn meeting toge ther u eyneile r thy thought it desirable, to mush for the geeddtiesllaeeh i but it gave no powers of compelling Or d legally enforcing the decisions of seal the was already preeticall at work the dohs = States, and had been (send wry pee* kgsemete unity of feeling and &aim. His trusted, Swam that their lordships would not allow say lam thrashed objections be weigh mildest the Wiij eraidesoll that nothing is the world would tern eras In orattrit r ramestion be tween the *Much at beim sod Id doe alueldi, than this verynederate cheek upon henVide4mmentrieides. After seem conversation the amsalesnt was withdrawn, and the dense was agreed IR On elm* 6, - which peseides that none of the ens or regulation of the noel, shall be at variance with the Desk of Osamu Prayer, or the 39 articles of faith, Lod lIOIITRAOLE found fault with the clause, be came it provides against the discussion of doctrines of faith, er usurers the supremacy of the crown. The Arelibilts. of CANTERBURY said the words pro posed to be ineseted would render the clause vague and en certain, and le would ash taller that the clause passed as it steed. Lord MONTEAGLE said the clause would not present those unseemly differences in discussions upon matters of faith or doctrine which had given rise to so much dissatis faction in Australia, nod he was afraid it the clause were not altered in the manner that he proposed, the bill would be little better then a firebrand to the colonies. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said, he bad no objection to introduce words into the clause which should provide that none of the acts or regulations et the assem blies should be at variance with the standard of faith and doctrine. Lord MONTEAGLE, adverting to what had fallen from the Bishop of Orford, said, on the third reading of the bill, he should be prepared to prove, from the records of the Colonial Synod, that the dissatisfaction arose not so much from the cause stated by the right rev. prelate, as the fear that the controversies of the clergy, backed by the authority of the bishops, were calculated to narrow the communion of the church. After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON ; who sup ported tle clause sa it stood, The Duke of NEWCASTLE said the noble earl had shown that controversial discussions had arisen without any act at all, and he for one very much doubted whether any legislative enactment could suppress them ; but as for advo elites the suppression of discussioa by a specific act of parliament, when so many of their own proceedings teemed with the result of discussion, was simply ridiculous. The Duke of ARGYLL, for his part, thought the bill was by far too stringent in its restrictive powers end ' if it had been proposed by an independent member without the support of the government, he should have felt bound to resist it. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of HARROW BY suggested the propriety of in troducing words to prevent the assemblies from widening or narrowing the church. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said tho only effect of such an amendment as that would be to prohibit the synod from interfering with the rankest heresy that might spring op in the church. The Bishop of OXFORD contended that the clause was sufficiently stringent to keep the synod within the bounds of the prescribed formulas of the church, while with regard to that pert of the amendment which related to the supremacy of the crown, what necessity was there for that when the bill distinctly provided that all the acts of the colonial synod should be subject to the veto of the crown. The Duke of NEWCASTLE contended that the intro duction of the words "the royal supremacy of the crown of Beg:and " was quits superfluous and unnecessary. It was because he wished the supremacy of the crown to remain undisputed that he opposed the introduction of those words. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that at the time of the reformation amongst other statutes there was one which said "our sovereign lord the king shall have the title of supreme head of the church of Christ in England," or words es that effect. That set was with others repealed in the reign of Mary, but they were revived by the first of Elisabeth, which did not, however, revive the title in ques tion ; nevertheless, at the same time, it said " her sovereign lady the Queen shall be supreme in all eases, stela siastkal and civil." Therefore by common parlance, and not at all inaccurately, we spoke of " the supremacy of the crown." In the sense of being at the head of the eceletias tied as well as the civil establishments of the realm, the en acting that nothing could be done that would affect the supremacy of the crown would be tantamount to saying that nothing should be done which would affect the supremacy of the crown in temporal matters, and every act of parlia ment which was passed did that; it would therefore be unnecessary. The clause was then agreed to, as were the remaining clauses, and the preamble. The house then adjourned at half-past 9 o'clock. ROUSE OF COMM The Sri...Atari took tit* chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. 11r, JULY 21. The Dlrds' amendments to the following bills were consi dered and agreed to :—Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, Edinburgh, Perth, and. Dundee Railway ; Lands Improve ment Company (No. 2) ; St. Ives and West Cornwall Juno thin Railway; Bills. The Dean Forest, Monmouth, Usk, and Pontypool Railway Bill was read a third time and pared. The Teals* and Killarney Railway (N 0.2) Bill was read a nomad time. • SAVINGS BANKS BILL. On the order of the day fur going into committee on this bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rid there was hardly sufficient time left in this session to admit of an ample discussion of all the various points of the bill, and for this, as wall as other reasons he bad come to the conclusion that, however anxious some parties might be for immediate legislation, it would yet be better to postpone this bill for another year. (Hear, hear.) He would, therefore, move that the house de resolve itself into a committee on the bill this day three months. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. HERBERT ventured to express an earnest hops that this subject would be again brought forward at the very earliest riod next session. Sir B. HALL t hought the Chancellor of the Exchequer had made out quite sufficient grounds for the postponement of this measure. Sir H. ILLOVORBY was glad to find that government did not intend to persevere with it, because, if they had done so, there would hive been no alternative left to the majority of the trustees but to resign. After some further conversation, The order was discharged. LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The renmunag clauses of the bill were then agreed to. Same unimportant clauses were added, and the preamble having been agreed to, the bill was ordered to be reported, and the house resumed. TENANTS' (IRELAND) BILL. The boa. west into toe" on this bill. --- la clause 1, Serj. SUES moved Ake insertion of the following words: " The words waste land' shall include all lands which, in their existing condition, are unfit for or cannot be profitably used for the purposes of agriculture or pasture, but are tagpable of being improved for those purposes. The word reclaiming ' shall include the use of all wane aareary and suitable for improving such lands, sad rendering theta beasliciallyapplicable to the aforesaid purposes." His ob jeet In moving this amendment was to have the reclamation of waste land included among chargeable improvements. After ea obeerntien from Sir. Nevis& the amendment was negatived. The clause was agreed to. Clause 1 was agreed to without discussion. Clause 3, Colonel DUNNE moved that at page 3, line 41, the following words be added after the word " holding," "And shall Increase the value of the holding by at least eaves per sent. on the proposed outlay." Sir J. YOUNG said that the proposition bad been con sidered and rejected in the committee, and it would be therefore improper to press it on the house. After a abort discussion the amendment was negatived. Kr. V. SCULLY moved the addition of these words at the end of page 3 : " The reclaiming or durable improve rat of waste or mountain land sr of bog grossed, by con verting the same into arable or pasture or unproved pasture land ; and the reclaiming or durable improvement of any land, by clearing away rocks or stones, or b 7 embanking from the sea or tidal waters ' or from lakes or rivers. Sir J. YOUNG opposed the insertion as misery to the intimate' of the select committee. iftearethcfrasiiierieritiiiiiewn, and the slaw was agreed to. Clause 4, after line 2. seeet7t 811211 /111“111 that the following words be in- Tbe min so them. draining of land, or th e ba=lrof it by brigades." ilskliaansaion the esawittee divided— ?es jie Yearties of Sio words Alided B2-43 lb. &dent liklall moved an anteedssent, the otpest et whish was te give esespsusatisa for buildings erected esti intgeseemenis mode in teen perks, whist was opposed bp Bir Mu Tm, sod wipadved. atter ism dismission, eat the dame Claus I ws 6, =s speed to. Oe dross waist Awe the bodied IS amps 6 per seat. es the amount .:paled Ise twpseesesols. Kr. ilsolsaat 81113 E premed ea emeadosee. te add after the weed improvement, the weeds. "nee ..seeding the ide eakested amount given in the tenant's Mks el its. it b z iiese " the object being to prevent the laadlord a higher amount for the isowessats, it web by Shea the I d n — L set had pat dew& Om. Tits div Per seasoimat. sr 40111 1 ..— . - _BB-110 Mr. J7IIALL suggested that the tenant should have the option as to whether the improvements upon which he was to be charged should be made or not. Mr. H. HERBERT thought the suggestion was against the principle upon which the bill proceeded, viz., that there was a &faculty in getting the landlords to carry out im provements. Mr. LUCAS concerted in the suggestion. Sir J. WALSH objected to these clauses altogether ma* innovation on the rights of property. The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 7 and 8 were passed. On clause 9, Mr. Serjeant SHEE moved en amendment to prevent the landlord or his successor from impeaching the declaration of the tenant after the lifetime of such tenant. Sir J. YOUNG aid the clause had been draws after full consideration, and he could not consent to the amendment. TM committee then divided— For the amendment 3O Agaisst it It beiag now five minutes put four, the Chairman left the chair. fie linse resuaid at Hz o'clock. NOTICE OF NOTION. NEGOTIATIONS WITH RUSSIA. Kr. LAYARD—I beg to give notice that to-morrow, upon the 'notion that the house at its rising do adjourn until Monday, I will put a question to her Majesty's go vernment as to the state of the pending negotiations be tween this country and Russia ; and also as to the produc tion of papers connected with the subject. IN THE NAVIGATION OF THE Lord D. BTVART asked the noble lord the member for the City of London, as it bad been stated by the govern ment that a great number of British merchant ships are detained in the Danube in eonsequence of the state of that river, which had been produeed by the neglect of the gc •eroment of Russia to discharge that which bad been de scribed bra minister of the crown es a greet deaf owird'by Rani& to Europe ; and, as great lose must be oseasiorted to British fetch' nts by the detention of those ships, whether government would demand from the Cur compensation to those merchants for the loss inflicted upon them by the cul pable neglect of the Russian government; also, as it had been stated by the government that repeated representa tions have been made to the government of Russia respect ing the interruption of the navigation of the Danube, whether the noble lard would have any objection to lay upon the table of the house copies of the correspondence on the subject. Lord J. RUSSELL doubted whether there could be any substantial claim for compensation made out upon the ground suggested by the noble lord (Dudley Stuart). The Russian government had not taken such precaution as this country had a right to expect ; nevertheless, there had been natural causes very much impeding the navigation which could not have been entirely obviated. A large quantity of mud had collected in one part of the channel of the river, and an inundation, extending over several miles, had resulted therefrom. Tho last accounts represented this inundation to have very much subsided. With respect to the other branch of the question, the noble lord at the heed of the foreign department had given directions that the cor respondence upon the subject should be looked into. THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 22, 1853. CAMP AT CHOBHAM. Col. BLAIR said that paragraphs appearing In the public papers represented that the regiment with which he had the honour to be connected had a very large number of men in the hospital, from the effect of the weather at Chob hem. He held in his hand a letter from the commanding officer of his battalion, denying that such was the fact. (Hear, hear.) Ile now wished to ask the Secretary-at- War whether he had received any official communications corroborating the statements made in that paragraph ? Mr. S. HERBERT said that although, from the un favourable state of the weather, the men had been put to some inconvenience at Chobham, all the accounts which be had received represented them as submitting to those dia. egrecables in the most cheerful manner. (Hear, hear.) It had also been stated to him that the degree of airlines, at the camp was considerably lower than it would have been had the same number of troops been lodged in barracks. CIIOPWELL WOODS (CROWN PROPERTY), DURHAM. Mr. BLACKETT wished to ask her Majesty's govern ment whether it was true that this property, instead of being sold, was to be planted with larch; and secondly, what were the obstacles which prevented the recommenda tions in favour of a sale from being carried into effect ? Mr. WILSON said that it was quite true that the re commendations originally made had not been followed out with regard to this property, but that was only because, upon further consideration, it appeared inexpedient, with a due regard to the public interest, to do so. In a few days the papers in relation to the matter would be laid before the house. THE CAB CASE OF THOMAS PHILLIPS AT BOW.STREET. Mr. BRIGHT said he wished to put a question to the noble lord at tho head of the Home Department, with reference to a cue which was heard on Tuesday at Bow-street Police-office. He referred tothe decision of Mr. I Henry, the Bow-street magistrate, in sending a cab-driver to prison for a month because he did not happen to have five shillings in his pocket to give security for the expense of ascertaining whether a certain distance was more or less than three miles. He could not have believed that such a cue was true, were it not that the newspapers were gene. rally so accurate in their reports of police cases. It ap peared to him to be a sort of case which might very well have happened in Turkey or in Russis.—(hear, hear)—but which ought not to have happened in this country. It was a mere case of dispute u to distance between Mr. Bend, the hirer, and the cabman; there did not appear to have been any incivility, and Mr. Bond himself wasshocked at the se verity of the sentence. Because the cabman could not deposit 6s. for the measurement, he was fined 405., and in default of payment of the fine sent to prison fxr a month. (Hear, hear.) He wished to know whether the attention of the Home Secretary had been directed to the matter. If such cane were repeated, it would be necessary to have an °Maw at the Hente-olllce to read over all the police eases. (Rear, bear.) . . . Lord PAIkERSTON said his attention had been allied to the matter that morning, and he should of course direct an inquiry into the circumstances ; at present no informa tion had been given him on the subject. He would, how ever, entreat the house to suspend their judgment, because. although the reports were generally very accurate, yet there had been eases in which very material errors had been oom 'sifted. There was an instance of that kind in the ease which his hon. and gallant friend the member for West- minster brought before the house. In the report it was stated that Mr. Serjeant Adams sentenced a woman to so many years additional confinement, for railing a policeman, " a pig:" and it had been since utterly denied that any thing of the kind took place. He hoped, therefore, that in this ogee the house would impend their judgment Mr. HUME wished to know whether the noble lord's department was preparing a bat of distances. (Hear, hear.) It was the want of proper distances from station to station that created the whole difficulty. Lord PALMERSTON said then was an dam sow employed in monaring dietanees. TEE LATE COLLIERY ACCIDENT NEAR OLDHAM. In reply to a questioncoatMr. Smrcn►xs, Lord PALMERSTON said he had referred this matter to the law officers of the crown. THE BRASS GUNS OF BRUNE. Mr. HUlii Fins Lord of the Admiralty. whether he intended that the distribution of prise money, realised by the sale of brass guns taken from the Sultan of Borneo, should take place as announced in the Gowns? Sir J. GRAHAM said the capture of the guns took place seven years ago. Sir Thou= Cochrane and the squadron under his command attacked the capital of Borneo, took I batteries, and captured • number of guns. The conduct of the admiral and the squadron was approved by the government presided over by the noble lord the member for the City of London, end several years elapsed before any question was raised with regard to the sale of the guns. In the year 1851 Sir Thomas Cochrane memorialised the Board of Admiralty, and requested 'that these guns might be sold for the benefit of the captors, and treated as prise of war. The question was under the consideration of his right honourable friend (Sir F. Baring). It was not a question involving privacy, because as the law stood in 1848, head money would have been paid, and the guns in question would hays been treated as droits of the Admiralty. No question of piracy arose, and the guns were considered as prise of war. The right hon. gentleman referred the matter to the Treasury, who requested the opinion of the law officers of the Crown. The whole question was referred to Sir John Dodson, now Judge of the Prerogative Court, to his hon. and learned friend the present Attorney-General, and to Vice-Chan cello, Sir William Wood, and the government having been advised that there was no question as to the guns being win Cl war, directed the sale of the guns for the benefit of the captors. An order In council wee pealed is IE6I, in pursuance of the opinion of the law officers of the crown. Seven years had now elapsed sines the capture, two years since the order in council wee passed ; the guns had ban sold ; the proceeds had been realised, and the amount stood for distribu tion on the 29th of the present month; and considering the length of time which had elapsed, and the decision of the two governments on the subject, he was certainly not prepared to intercept the course of law by arresting the payment of the money. (Hear.) . MR. REITEAIiT ADAMS. Sir DE L. EVANS said some time ap a prisoner, after being sentenced by Mr. &daunt A for stealing ls. f3d. from • lady, received an additional sentence for throwing a penny ink-bottle at the jadge. He would be glad to hear from the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) for which crime the mu was now undergoing punishment. CORPORATIONS SOLE. Mr. MULLINGS said it would be is the recollection of the house that in the course of the discussions on the Suc- cession Duty Bill, the Chancellor of the Exchequer stated that it was the intention of the government to bring in a separate bill with regard to corporations sole. Lord J. RUSSELL said the government would not be able to introduce the bill until next session. MR. SERJEANT ADAMS AND THE PIG STORY. Lord D. STUART wished to put a question to the Secre tary of State for the Home Department, in consequence of what he had said with regard to the int:erne:seas of pollee report, in newspapers. He understood the noble lord now to say that there was no truth in the story of a wooers having received an additional sentence is consequence of milling a policeman a pig. (Hear, hear.) He wished to know why, when the noble lord wee requested, at an early period of the session, to give an explanation of the silvan stances, and when he did give an explanation, one of the 110 it material features of *he can being the story of the (►augbter)—he wished to know why the noble lord dld not at that time contradict the truth of the story ? Lord PALMERSTON said the question of his noble friend reminded his of ass put W Chutes 11. to owe learned men of his time. It was why, whoa a v assa l mg full, if you pat a Ash into it it did not overflow. (Laughter) In the cue in question he distinctly stated that tie grayed on which the learned serjeant passed the additional Si.. tuna was, that the prisoner behaved in the dock with great violence, and struck some of the persons who MINI guarding het, and that the judge apprehended a rewash (Hear, hear.) The learned wrjeant said he heard nothiwa like the words which wen stated to have been the canes a the additional sentence. Therefore the question of hie noble friend, why he did not do so and so, resolved itself into the question regarding the lA. ( L aughter.) The question was, whether his noble friend's account of the matter was correct. THE CITY OF Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from 20 electors of the borough of Peterborough, praying for immediate inquiry with regard to the exercise of the fzeachise. The hoa. rou. mamba then moved :—" That it be an **strudels to the General Committee of Elections to select a chair man and six other members to be the select oorainuteo on t►e petitions from the city of Peterborough, and that the members po selected do constitute the said committee, sad have power to send for persons, papers, and records, and that five be the quorum of the said committee." After some discussion, The motion was put and agreed to. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL. The house then resumed the consideration of the Manses of this bill in committee. Clause 23 was put and agreed to. Oa clause 24, which provides that the council may make laws, Sir H. MADDOCK moved, as an amendment, to insert words at the end of the clause to preside that in making such laws and regulations regard should be had to the re ligion sad manners and opinions of the different races of people inhabiting the said territories. Mr. lIUME oonaidered that they were bound to respect the religious prejudices of the natives, and although the government had refused to allow • Hindoo or a Ilsbometan to sit in the council, it was only just that they should de clare that the legislation of the government of India under this new charter was not to be contrary to their religious prejudices end national habits. Mr. LOWE said the hon. member for Montrose had given the but reason for the rejection of the amendment, when he said it carried out the principle of one which the house had already rejected. With respect to leslalating so u to meet the prejudices of the natives, it might be re membered that there was a Hindoo law, which involved • forfeiture of lends in any one who embraced the Christain religion, and the legislative council had passed a law, not in a spirit of proselytism, annulling that Hindoo law ; and he believed that this amendment vu aimed at that law which was rightly passed to prevent any cue who became a Christian being subject to the forfeiture of his lands. He did not think that all the religious feelings of the natives should be considered in making laws, irrespective of reason or morality; for if that were so they would not have abo lished human sacrifices, infanticide, and suttee. He thought it would be better to go on doing away with bad native laws, and so legislate u rather to Europeanise than Hine dooise the laws of India. After a few words from Mr. Hume, Sir H. Maddock, and Sir H. Willoughby, the amendment wu negatived without • division. The clause u amended was then agreed to. . Clause 25 was agreed to. On clause 2G, which recites the Act of the 3rd and 4th Will. IV., appointing the Indian Law Commission, and provides that commissioners may be appointed in Eng land to consider and report on the reforms proposed by the Indian Law Commission. Mr. BLACKETT said he objected to the preamble at the clause, which stated " that whereas the Indian Law Commission, from time to time appointed under the said act, bad recommended extensive alterations in judicial es tablishments, judicial procedure, and laws established and in force in India, and such reports have been from time to time sent to the directors ; but on the greater part of such reports and recommendations no final decision has been had." After a conversation, Clause 26 was also agreed to. On the 27th clause, which provides that the appointment I of the Advocate-General shall have the sanction of her Majesty, Mr. lIUME moved to negative the clause. Be thought the Court of Directors ought to have the nomination of their own officers. Mr. J. G. PHILLIMOItE hoped the right hon. gentle man would not be induced to abandon the clause, which seemed to him most important. If any one would look back to the appointments, he would find abundant reasons for the clause. Sir J. W. 11 000 defended the appointments which had been made. There was only one in the last century with which he had to find fault, and the' sou the appointment of Mr. Lyall. Mr. Lyall sou a distinguished and talented man, but be opposed the appointment, because Mr. Lyall was only a barrister of six years' standing, and the ap pointment was the more objectionable, because Mr. Lyall was closely connected with a director. With that single exception he challenges the bon. gentleman to state one single name of any Advocate• General who was not emi. neatly qualified for the office. He hoped it was not the in tention of government, but it did appear that a stigma was intended to be cast on the company. Mr. F. SCULLY remarked that no Irishman had been appointed to the office of judge in India. He hoped that in future the appointments would be fairly distributed. They ought to be given to the three kingdoms in the fair pro portion to which they were entitled. Sir C. WOOD assured the hon. member for Honiton that there was not the least wish to pass a stigma on the Court of Directors. They did not wish to take the power of appoint. sent from the Court of Directors ; but, on the contrary, they left it with the court, subject to the sanction of the government. The object in this as in all other cases was to insure the Court of Duectors making proper appointmeats. He did not mean to pass the slightest imputation on the per sons they had appointed, because be believed the parsons they had appointed were eminent men in their way. The sont;ittee then divided. The numbers were : For the claw Against it The clause therefore stands part of the bill. Upon our readmission we found Sir C. WOOD explaining that the 28th claim, which enacts that the Commander-in-Chief of Her Majesty's Forces, shall also be Cemmander-in-Chief of the Ocamany's Forces, was not levelled against the officers of the company, or intended to exclude or cut any kind of stigma upoa them. (Hear, hear.) The clause was then agreed to, as was also clause 29. Upon clause 30, Mr. HUME asked the President of the Board of Con trol whether the government were about to make altera tions in the present regulations with regard to furlough, 'which prevented men from obtaining that benefit to which they were entitled after serving their country abroad. ' Sir C. WOOD said that the only object of the clause was to enable the Court of Directors to make the altera tions to which the hon. gentleman referred. After a few words from Sir J. W. 11000, explaining that the Court of Directors were in no way to blame for the present restrictions upon furlough, the clause was agreed to. On clause 31, which has reference to salaries, Mr. V. SMITH suggested that the salaries of the diner ton should be more than 6001. • year. A salary of 6001. a year would be quite inadequate to support the dignity of the office. Mr. ELLIOT said that if this 'filmy was not at least they would not get the beet men to become direc tors. Ile hoped, therefore, that his right hon. friend would consider the matter. Mr. RICH hoped that they would have a future oppor tunity of discussing the question of the salaries of the direc tors, because if they were to have patronage and salaries at the same time, 600/. a year might be sufficient. Mr. BRIGHT said that the question of patronage must be taken into consideration in dealing with the question of salaries. He lately heard of a case from a member of the house with respect to a relation of his, which would show how the matter stood. This gentleman applied for an ap pointment in India, and he got a promise from Mr. So and-so. When the promise was made, it was said, " friend is not rich, and you are a man of business," which was understood to mean anything that it was not desirable to ask openly and distinctly, (Laughter.) The gentlensan said, "I am a man of business; what of that t' The answer was, " My friend is not a rich man, and you are a man of business. (Laughter.) 1 - need not say any more about it." (Laughter.) ' Well, I !suppose you mean an oiler of money, butieven if I were disposed to do that, is there not a law by which I am obliged to swear or declare that I have not given directly or indirectly, and shall not give any one any fee or reward." " Oh," he said, " these are mere matters of form, and you are a man of business." (Laughter.) This was the constant argument. At last the gentleman said, " I am a man of business, but not a manor that sort of business, forit is Impossible flu me to maks the declaration required at the India House. Nothing would induce me to do so." Well, he did not get the ap pointment, but somebody else did who was a better man of business. (Laughter, and cries of "Name, name.") He would not name, but he had given the conversation as it occurred, and there was a member of that house who could give it even more minutel The directors, therefore, found a personal advantage In the distribution of their pa r tronage. (Hear, hear.) He recollected the case of a ode ! boated artist who, knowing that the directors were forbidden to receive any gift directly, asked a director if he would not like to have a portrait taken of binned, his wife and child ren. (Laughter.) He thought that portraits of this kind made by • celebrated artist, to be hung up in the direc tor's room would be compensation sufficient for the favour asked at his hands. (Hear, hear.) When he said that the situations of director was worth from 10,0001. to 12,0001. it was because they all knew that they obtained advantages one way or other for services done, and that was the reason why the salaries were so low heretofore—(hear, hear)—for be did not believe that their patriotism was so great that they would give the whole amount of their time for the 12 months—attending every week and day at the India-house— with all the vast anxiety of mind under which they laboured for the good of India—(iaughter)—be did not believe that they would undergo all this for 3001. a year. (Hear, hear.) If they had no other object in that house than 30W. • year—and they did not even get that—he did not believe many of them would he there, and he thought many of them were much deluded in being there. (Laughter.) There they sat by night, and in the day they attended com mittees, for which the public generally believed they were paid, but it was not so. (Cheers.) He voted against the ' oath which this bin required the directors to take— ! namely, that they would not, directly or indirectly, i accept of any fee or reward on the ground that none of them could take the oath in its literal meaning. (Hear, hear.) If the directors were to continue to have patronage, or that portion of their emolumeata which patronage gave, he did not think the salary should be fixed at a higher sum than was proposed. (Hear, hear.) If it was proposed to raise the salaries of the nominated directors only to 1,0001., he did not see how it was possible to keep up the distinction of salaries. There were to be 18 directors, and if they re ceived 1,0001. a year each, that would be 18,0001., and as the chairman and deputy chairman would probably have double salaries, it would make altogether a sum of 20,000/. This bill increased tho expenses of the Indian government. He did not mean to say that this was not necessary; but when the legislature of this country was taxing ladle to • degree more than any civilised or uncivilized government ever taxed a people before, for he maintained that in pro- portion to their means no people were so enormously taxed —it was their duty to see that the expenses of tho home government were not increased, unless they saw that the peo- ple of India would gain real and solid advantages in return. He proposed on a future occasion to go into the question of the expenses of the home government for India, which were frightfully scandalous. (Hear, hear.) The hunt and Board Of Control cost twice and quadruple as lanai as the best home government could be established for. If the ndmber of directors were reduced to seven, so that they had plenty . to do, and had full responsibility, he would not object to giving them 1,5001. or even 2,0001. a year. (Hear, hear.) But when he found East India directors able to attend that house night and day—that they had business concerns in the city, and that some of them had business of half a doyen other kinds on their bands, besides tho en joyment of their salaries and patronage, he thought the house would be acting regardlessly of the people of India if they allowed the taxes, which were raised extortionately from them, to be lavished by those who did not contribute any part of them. (Hear, hear.) Mr. T. BARING said the hon. gentleman was a "man of business," and as a man of business he ought not to make statements which he was not ready to substantiate. (Hear, hear.) He ought not to make imputations which he was not prepared to substantiate. (Hear, hear.) Ile (Mr. T. Baring) was also a man of business, and in his experience he did not find that those who were the most suspicious of others were the most trustworthy themselves. (Cheers) He was sure the hon. gentleman did not do justice to his own character or feelings, because while dis posed to judge of others, he spread imputations on all around him. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman ought not to treat this question as a personal or factious one. (Hear.) Justice was not done to the question, when it was merely made the groundwork for vague attacks upon bon. indivi duals who were intrusted with the responsibility of govern ment. (Hear, hear.) More than that; it showed the dis position of some gentlemen in that house, and some out of doors, to make every constituted body, whether board, public company, or cabinet, the pointed aim of personal attacks. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman would act far more consistently with his own character, and with the im i Portance et the question, if he retrained as much as he could from showing the animus of opposition towards individuals who were intrusted with powers of (government, and con fined hin.self to charges against the mode of government, and to substantiating the evidence he brought in favour of I hie amendments. He hoped the government would sake the question of salaries into their own hands, as they bad the responsibility of the appointments. Every division had shown that the government was all-powerful on this question. (Hear, hear.) They ought not to be chary of amendments which they thought ne cessary, but to take the straightforward course of stating what tkey thought was right or proper, and if they thought that greater salaries were proper they ought not to shrink from proposing them. (Hear, hear.) The necessity of making the directors' salaries more than 3001. a year was the act of the government, it was the reduction of the nominees and the patronage which made it necessary. (" No, no," from Mr. Bright.) Let the government there fore, take their own course. They knew very well how to play off one party against another in that house, and they could do what they liked with this hill. (Hear, hear.) At one moment they were supported by gentlemen who opposed the present government of India, at another by those who wished to make that government respected and powerful. They had full power ; let them make what amendments they thought necessary, and he ventured to say they would be supported by the house. (Cheers.) . _ Mr. ilitiour rose and wished to say a few words in ex- planation ; but, Sir J. Moo° having risen at the same time, he was called upon by the chairman. Sir .1. HOOD—It is very true that the hon. member for Manchester has, throughout the whole of this discussion, indulged in personal and ungenerous observations. Let that pass. I do not complain of the course which he has adopted now. Whenever a gentleman rises in his place in parliament, and makes a statement as from his own per sonal knowledge, and when the statement so made casts an imputation of the gravest character upon any public man—that imputation, made by • member of this house, in his place, and from his own personal knowledge, must, prima facie, be taken to be true. (Hear, bear.) That is the constitution and the rule of parliament. (Hear, hear.) It always has been so ; I hope it always will be so. I hope the day will never arrive when this house will be so die grated that any member will rise in his place and make a charge of the gravest character against any gentleman, or any body of men entrusted with great public power and au thority, and shrink from substantiating that charge. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman has stated the charge in detail. Ile has not indulged, as is his wont, in g 1 imputations. He his not spoken of the Court:of Directors g Ily, or of the general distribution of patronage. He has selected one case. He has adverted to some agent—some personal friend of his own,—l wish him joy of his personal friends—that seems to deal in the basest of all base traffics. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman talks of his own personal friend; he says that he appealed to the party as " a man of business," which the hon. gentleman says everybody knows the mean ing of, and that that which was thrown out was well under stood. " You are a man of business." There can be no doubt as: to the meaning of this. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Bright). For the hon. gentleman tells you that the very person to whom the proposal was made said that he could not take the declaration required by the rules of the India House. He goes further, and says that the conse quence of the gentleman's hesitation to accede to this base and disgraceful proposal—base to the man who made it and to whoever :entertained such a proposition,—was that the appointment did not take place, that it went elsewhere, and that somebody else got it. And who got it ? Somebody says the hon. gentleman ,who was . ' a better man of business." (Hear, hear.) Now I call upon the hon. gentleman, as he hopes is future that his statements in this house will com mand belief and credit—u he hopes in future to rise in his place in parliament and state from his own personal know ledge that which he believes to be true—l call upon him to state the name. (Cheers.) I call upon him to state the appointment that was offered ; I call upon him to state the name of the director (cheers) ; and if his imputations are tine,: I call upon him to hold up that director to the public alma and to that disgrace which he so well merits. (Cheers.) And I tell that hon. member, that if he shrinks from this set of public justice all that which he has insinu ated against the director will fall upon himself. (Hear, hear.) Have inquiries ever been made with respect to the distribution of patronage? There were rumours abroad six or seven years ago ; and those rumours were so rife, that when I war Chairman of the Court of Directors, in 1846, I could not help thinking they might have some foundation. At last I got some little clue to the matter; and I asked my colleagues if they would allow me to preside at a secret commission to be appointed. They did so. I sat in that committee et inquiry five or six months. It was known throughout the city that such a committee was sitting. I believe that every individual who could give any distinct evidence before that committee, who could cast the slightest imputation upon any director—came before that commit tee. What was the result ? I convicted two or three knaves who lived upon the sale, or the pretended sale, of patronage. The mart of directors indicted them, and I think convicted every one of them in the Court of Queen's Bench; and they were subjected to severe fines and heavy imprisonment ? What was the way in which they pro ceeded? In one case a gentleman wished to obtain an appointment, and having been introduced to one of this gang, a large sum of money was mentioned-500 guineas. The money was paid, and this "friend," this " man of business," said—" These directors are very odd fellows; they pretend to confer a great favour on persons by giving I t h em these appointments, but still they will have the value, therefore you must pay the 600 guineas." (Hear, hear.) The demand was increased, till ultimately it reached 1,200 guineas, and that sum was paid. The person who had paid the money afterwards went to this infamous wretch and said—" My son does not get his appointment till November; it would be a great convenience for him to go out now, u a relative is going, under whose care he could be placed." The fellow said, "I will try what can be done, but I fear I cannot succeed." The gentleman having paid his 1,200 guineas, thought it odd that he could not select his own time to have the appointment made, and determined to go to the fountain-head. He went to the India House, and asked for the director, whom he bad been led to believe was selling him the appointment. He opened the matter in a round-about way—thanked him for the appointment— and said he hoped his son might be allowed to go out a little earlier. The director said—" I fear you have mistaken me ; 1 have not given you any promise." To be certain, he sent for his book, and after referring to it, said, " No ; ' I have not promised any appointment to you." Well; human patience could not stand this. (Hear, hear.) The idea of the director having pocketed the 1,200 guineas, and then denying that he had made the appointment, was too much; and the gentleman pulled Cut tee note relating to the transaction, and showed it to him. The director at once declared it to be a forgery. (Hear, hear.) And I am afraid to mention to the house the sum that had been raised upon that note. The houses of this gang were searched. They had upon their chimney-pieces visiting cards of the:then President of the Board of Control, of the chairman of the directors ; and we actually found in the , possession of one of them • tariff of their charges for pro curing different offices—so much for a cadetship, so much for an Indian appointment, so much for a commission in the Horse Guards, and so much even for a peerage. (Cheers and laughter.) They had a regular scale for all these. There was a case where the President of the Board of Control of that day gave an appointment out of gene rosity. The person who got it sold it ; and having sold that he was able to sell other appointments which he had any chance of getting. The committee over which I was presiding heard of it. It was known throughout the city that such • committee was sitting ; and I believe that every individual who could bring forward anything that could cast an imputation upon a director did appear before that committee. And when the court are thus assailed, I am compelled to mention that in the discharge of their duty—it was a painful duty— they found that one of their own body was implicated; and that individual was convicted. The hon. gentleman ought to have known that. The case was tried before the Court of Queen's Bench ; and no one ought to speak of a matter with which he is not acquainted. (Hear, hear.) I invite—l do more than invite—l appeal to the house to co operate with me in calling upon the hon. gentleman to state the names of the parties to whom he has referred, to state the appointment, and to hold up all who were en gaged in that infamous transaction to the public indigna tion to which they ought to be exposed. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman says he believes it is admitted that the pa tronage is thus disposed of. I was astonished to hear him say that. I tell him that the statement is totally void of truth and foundation. (Hear, hear.) And I tell him more, that any director who gives any appointment, with any ex pectation, direct or indirect, proximate or remote, of any reward, emolument, favour, or interchange of appointments of any kind, or for money or any other consideration, after the declaration he has made on taking office—barely per jures himself, and barters the patronage that has been committed to him. (Cheers.) That is my idea. (Hear, hear.) Again, I tell the honourable gentleman, 1 1 I think he discharged • duty—nay, I honour him for it—he discharges a d u t y i l l only perform it thoroughly. Let him d i sch arge i t fully' and I will join with him, and I pledge myself th at the court of directors will co-operate with him in exposing the infamous persons that appear to have been engaged in this transaction. (Cheers.) Mr. BRIGHT—It is quite cheering, sir, to see such an amount of virtuous indignation displayed on this matt er. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Huntingdon has read me a lecture—not the first—on this subject. But he seems to admit the whole case. Ile said the posseuion of the patronage was one reason why the salary had been 10 low r.s 3001. a year ; and that is the pith of what I said to the house. (Hear, hear.) I suppose there is no man living who ever had patronage to bestow, who did not find it a most irksome and unpleasant business. lam quite sure no one on the Treasury bench will deny this. The late Slr R. Peel and Lord J. Russell have b,th expressed the difficulty they had in selecting persons, and stated that when:they made one appointment, they disappointed about twenty persons, and that the difficulty in selecting was matt enormous. Now, if duties of that kind are given to persons as a compensation for a small sa lary, and if 300/. a year is considered enough because of the large amount of patronage, I take it f or granted that there is a solid advantage in the possession of that patronage. And that is the general and natural belief in this house. The hon. member for Honiton has appealed to me to tell the house in detail the case to which I re ferred. I told it in considerable detail. I said that it was communicated to me by a member of this house. It is not necessary that I should give the name of that member. I tell the house, that in this house, and by a member of this house, and referring to a relative of his, the eircurn• stances were related tome ; and I believe them to be true (Hear, hear.) Sir J. Hogg says that my friend was this base individual. (Hear.) No; my friend was the man who was not sufficienily "a man of business" to t nter into the transaction. (Hear, hear.) Ido not soy that the per son who nffiired to procure the appointment was a (fiend of the hon. gentleman's, or of any of the directors ; but ho was no friend of mine. (Cheers.) I do rot know him; but I know the gentleman who refused to have anything to do with the transaction ; and therefore, as fir as any baseness is concerned in a transaction of that nature, it cannot apply to me at ell. (Hear, bear.) I hope it does not apply to any person connected with the Court of Directors. He may have been, for aught I know, one of those traffickers of whom the hon. gentleman has spoken. (Hear, hear.) But that such things are believed to be done, and are done, is indisputable. To doubt it would be to belie one's own judgment as to the natural and necessary effect of an ar rangement by which gentlemen are paid only 300/. a year as salary, the rest of their compensation being made up of patronage. And, I think I gathered from the speech of Sir Charles Wood, when he introduced this measure to the house, that by reason of the proposed diminution in the value of the patronage, through the changes he was making, he should raise the salary of the directors from 3001. to 500/. a year. (Hear, hear.) If any members of this house were in the position of having 10,000. a year of patronage to distribute, I doubt whether we should be able to avoid the temptation —not of receiving direct payment—but of dispensing it so as to be advantageous to our families in some way or other. I believe there is no office in this country open to so much temptation as that of au East India director. To remedy this I would take away the patronage altogether, and give them salaries befitting the office they hold; and I am sure that Sir J. Hogg will not say that I want to do injustice to him or his colleagues. I would withdraw that which I believe to be based on a false principle and liable to great temptation and corruption, and pay them es men ought to be paid who perform great and responsible duties. (Hear, hear.) As to attacks upen the East India Company, I have taken the same course as I have done for the last seven years. My mind is made up. I am connected with a district that has suffered enor mously from their mismanagement; and no taunts from the hon. member for Huntingdon, or the hon. member for Honiton, shall deter me from doing what I can to expose this system. (Hear, hear.) I make no charges against Sir James Hogg or his colleagues; because I 1 1 0 not know the individual director who was concerned in this matter. It is quite possible that the director who was to furnish this appointment might be as innocent as Sir James Hogg; but that such an offer was made, I have no hesitation in asserting ; and I say this is a sample of what the country believes to take place generally, and it is a conclusive argu ment against the continuance of this system of patronage. (Cheers.) The CITAIRMAN reminded the committee that there was nothing relating to the salary of directors in the clause before them ; it only related to the salary of commanders of the forces. Mr. ELLICE put a question to Mr. Bright which was not distinctly heard in the gallery. Mr. BRIGHT—I hope the hon. gentleman does not mean to say that lam a party to the fraud any more than he is. Had this fact been related to me by the hon. member for Oxfordshire with regard to his brother, or nephew, or some near relative, and I had stated it to the house in the shape I have stated it now—if he chose to give the name he might give it. I know the name of the gen tleman to whom the appointment was offered. Ido not know the name of the party offiring it. Ido not know the name of the director, bat I state it on the authority of a member of this house. (Cries of " Name, name.") No ; I will not name : his will be a suf f icient authority for what I have stated. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MANGLES would 'put it to the house whether it was fair that such charges should be made, and no autho rity given. The hon. member said he had objected to the oath partly out of compassion to the directors,—thereby in sinu►ting that they were all more or less in the habit of receiving some compensation for what they had solemnly sworn not to receive anything for. The charge amounted to a misdemeanour, and any director guilty of it would be liable to fine and imprisonment. He called upon the hon. member, by his sense of propriety, to substantiate the Charge he bad made. (Hear, hear.) No other member rising, the chairman put the clause, and it was agreed to. On clause 32, Mr. M. MILNES moved to leave out the words " tho provisions hereinafter mentioned respecting the admission into the college of the said company at Haileybury, (that is to say) seen( ns 103, 104, 105, and 107 of the said act of the 3rd and 4th years of King William the Fourth shall be re pealed." Ile should divide the committee on the principle of applying the principle of competition, both to Miley bury and to Addiscombe ; sail wi.h that view he begged to move the amendment. Sir C. WOOD did not think it necessary to add mach to the eloquent speech of his right bon. friend the member for Edinburgh (Mr. Macaulay), to which the hon. gentleman had given no answer. Taking the very lowest view of the case, the men that would be admitted to the company's colleges by competition would at lent be equal to those who had been put in by the directors; with this addition, that they would have proved their superiority in point of intellect. He could not understand why in the case or per sons who were to have control over millions of their fellow subjects, they should not adopt every possible means of se curing efficiency ; and he thought that the throwing open Haileybury to competition was the most likely mode of attaining that object. Mr. M. MILNES would withdraw his amendment, on condition that the discussion on the clause would be re sumed on this day. The amendment was then withdrawn, the house resumed. and the Chairman reported progre.s. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the second reading of this bill, Mr. BOWYER hoped the noble lord would not persist in his motion, as there were many points in the bill which would require considerable discussion. Lord J. RUSSELL promised full opportunity for discus- Sion on going into committee on Friday next. The bill was then read a second time. CUSTOMS, &0., ADM.—THE ADVERTISEMENT DtTY. On the order for bringing up the report on the Customs, &c., Acts, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that be had postponed the Stamp Duties Bill until the end of the evening, in order that a clause might be inserted in obedience to what be believed to be the wish of a real ma jority of that house respecting the advertisement duty. (Loud cheers.) It was not necessary then to go into details, the more especially as he had glanced at them on the pre vious day, and as, in his opinion, the man who made an un necessary speech at that season of the year was an enemy to his country. (Cheers and laughter.) Mr. BRIGHT asked when the advertisement duty would cease ? He had been requested by newspaper proprietors to ask the question. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER saw no reason why the repeal should not become law at the end of next week, or the beginning of the following week. Per ' sons interested had been led into error by the practice of the house with regard to the customs duties, when reduction of duties dated from the vote of the house, but the two eases were not at all similar. Mr. NEWDEGATE asked whether the proposed clause would apply to the supplement. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the supplement, or rather the extrusion of the area of news papers, was provided for in the Stamp Act, No. 2. The report was then brought up and agreed to. ASSESSED TAXES BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up resolutions reducing the duty on pod-horses. He stated that the aggregate reduction would be about fifty or sixty thousand a year, ►nd that the arrangement had nai t with the approbation of the parties interested. The resolutions were agreed to, and the house resumed. iHACKNEY FAlnicdks BILL. This bill passed through committee. BETTING HOUSES BILL. On the order for the second reading of this bill, Mr. MURROUGH presented a petion from an individual against the bill, and praying that at least the operation might be suspended until after the Newmarket Houghton meeting. (Laughter.) The bill was postponed till Monday. POOR RELIEF CONTINUANCE DILL. This bill was read a second time. The report on the Thames Ember to. Bill was agreed The Patronage Exchange Bill, the Highway Rates BID, the Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill, the Turnpike Trusts Arrangements Bill, the Colonial Bishops Extension Bill. and the Land Tax Redemption Bill, severally passed through committee. NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTIES BILL This bill also passed through committee without dis cussion. . The Sheep, &e., Contagious Diseases Prevention Bill passed through committee. (