The Express. — London, England, 1853-05-14 00:00:00

PE li V ate mot ke. ,lAL P. lILIA iE: Lord Cauuing, and Lout Qtaalet d Allerley. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Wu= Cletosoh—Bg in Mmtgemelystire Barnstaple, places in Derbyshire, and the YorkshirelAw Society, praying for an extension of Ws jurisdictien of nosily courts. Sit sawn' COVILTS.—By Lord BROUGHAM, from several places in Scotland, praying fur an amendment of the Simile' Courts. lost iisin TAX IX IRXLANI , .—By the Marquis of CLAN RICARDE, from a place in Ireland, against the imposition of an income tax in that country. LAW OF EVIDENCE AND PROCEDURE BILL. Lord BROUGHAM said that ke proposed to strike out parts of ibis MU I. committee that evening when it came before the h .use, and leave the remainder, to which he sp prebendal there would not be any objection. Lard CAMPBELL bed no objection to the course pro powd, but thought their lordships should have an ample upportunity of dieeussieg ell the clauses EX rENsios OF THE INCOME TAX TO IRELAND. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said a teport . had beim current in Ireland that clergymen of all persimmons were to be treated in a different manner from other persons. He should he pled to know if any such distinction was to be *MIA or not ? The Len of ABERDEEN hoped the noble marquis would not think him guilty of any discourtesy if ke ab stained from answering the question. The Income Tax Bit would be introduced immediately into the House of Commons, when the measure would be fully explained; and a premature discussion upon any supposed modifications might be attended with great inconvenience. Lord CAMPBELL had the misfortuoe to be en Irish proprietor. H. had no objection to the income tar being wended to Ireland, if it was only levied on rent actually received, for in that case it would not touch him. (Laughter.) PRIVILEGE. The Earl of DERBY said that, before proceeding to the erases of th. (kr, he wished to take notice of that which he might consider a breach of the privileges of their lord ships house, for the purpose of doing justice, not to him self, but to another gentleman, with regard to whom a moat unfounded representation bad been made in one of the reining papers. Their lordships were aware that, by their leave, he bed attended a committee of the other hones to be examined as to the proceedings of the Dockyard Appoint sante Committee, and before that committee a question had been put to him to which he gave a very distinct answer, which was reported verbatim in the Suss that evening, but which he found represented in the Glohr, not only with great inaccuracy, but the very opposite of that which be had stated, and con veying an impression most unfavourable to the gentleman he referred to. If this had affected him (the Earl of Derby) alone he should not have thought it necessary to call atten tion to the subject ; but when he wee represented as having given a most unfavourable opinion as to the character of a gentleman whose conduct was under examination, and with regard to whom be had expressed precisely an opposite opinion, he thought it was due to him to bring the matter under their lordships' notice, and in the most public and authentic manner to state what he did not say, and what he had said on the occasion referred to. The question put to him wee, whether he was aware of a statement made before that oommittee—that Mr. Stafford had said that be (the Earl of Derby) had put great pre sure on him with regard to the disposal et the patroasge of the dockyeads— and his answer was: " I should be very much surprised to hear that Mr. Stafford had made that state ment, because I have the highest opinion of Mr. Stafford's honour and veracity ; and I feel convinced that he has not made any such statement, as he must have known it to be wholly inecnsistent with the fact, and that it had not the slightest f , undation." In making that statement he ex pressed what he felt, that be had a perfect confidence in Mr. Stafford's veracity, and that he should hear with great surprise that he had made such a statement ; and he could not bring himself to believe that such a statement ever was made by Mr. Stafford. (Hear, hear.) His answer was given in the Sun with perfect accuracy ; and he would now read it as it appeared in the Globe, and he would only say that as be was asked but four or Ave questions in the com mittee, and the answers were clear and distinct, and as the proceedings were taken down in shorthand, he thought the journalist who Inserted a false statement was quite inexcus able. This was the statement attributed to him in the Okbe: " I have heard with regret some statements made by Mr. Stafford, because I had a very high opinion of Mr. Stafford and of hi, honour, and Mr. Stafford must have knows that, at the time he made those statements, they were entirely inconsistent with the practice of the Admiralty sad the rules of the service." That represented him as hawing said that he bad heard Mr. Stafford's statement with regret, because he bad ever lad a high opinion of Mr. Stafford's honour, and he must have known, at the time he made the state ment, that it was entirely inconsistent with the practice of the Admiralty and the rules of the service. Their lordships must feel that he should be abandoaieg his duty if be did not call their attention to this matter, for the purpose of pivieg the meet aaqualifled and emphatic contradiction to the statensett in the (Hobe. (Hear, hear.) COMMON LODGING HOUSE BILL. The Uri ed SHAFTESBURY, is movie( the seeeed voldbas old* bill, referred to the geed effects prodweed by the imam* resuatly e s en the satgee tisa , in rse reveating the overcrowding et I lioness. It by Capt. Hale's report, that U , I . and men 90 k;d hereto his bees uewdsd into see Mem ; bet during tie thirteen l asers Ere lie aut bail boss Is apersties. this ~wow& bg bad beau goneedo4 Mho bonen bad bees deemed sod wklummeoo, _Om keds• bad bees improved, sad the liability Is Member had boa wady roused. It was in Oise Orme lksj ea lased ow see dell ai otl md eisiY. = so as emi Ifs at almaissths of tits sa llsil sestropsibs. Groot pad bad beau effected by the Aenaf 11111.111“, NA It was to perfect it sad prevent a rebels t M sew proposed this bit of amend- int. - . - Lard REDESDALE leek rib*** to some particular provi•ione of the MU, mynially that which authorised the removal of persons enHasi hem infections disease to wolkhouses, where then were any *Midi's and rum* of inane health. Amain that some alterations might be aide is the bill in onmsittee, he would not oppose Hie se cond reading. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE expressed doubts aa to the applicability of the bill to Ireland, and said that it woad iatiat a wine Wary on the occrupiers of small bosom The Rail of SHAFTESBURY elated his readiness to make any reasonable alterations ia eentatittee. The Rarl of OLE NUALL said a few words. Lord BEAUMONT wished to hate a &Saint* of the term " coaunou lodgiag-honess." He thought inspeotion Ethb be a benefit to a mita* class of knees ' but as all lion of this kind was ea fanatic* of the i liberty of ,ject, and of the English swim that every man'e was his Ned., it wee desirable to otraithe it to lodging of • certain elem. ST. LEONARD'S said that 'as the bill stood, it extend the power of inspection to any house where wen taken. He threw this out for the considere d the noble lord. The Delos of NEWCASTLE seggiated an amendment Ulf* dame whisk gave the power of seeding sick panne to eiterldhenem. and recommended the noble mover of the ME Ile pet himself in communicatiou with the Alters of unions' Tin bill was then rend a wend time. • GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented • petition from citizens of Manchester, praying that the future govern ment of India in this otiatry should consist of a minister and a council appointed by the crown, and directly respon sible to the imperial parliament. This petition had been agreed to at • meeting convened and prodded over by the chid magistrate of the city, and signed by him at she request ,of the meeting. It contained the sentiments, not merely of Man chester, but of the great majority of the neighbourhood. It came from a leedity w hich — London not rzeepted—had • men vital Interest than my other part of the kingdom in the material well-bens of the people of India. The pod - hosiers preyed fur a re Wla in the home goverment. They were of opinion that the edging government had not developed the resources of the coustry, and bad not pro vided for the welfare of the people. They therefore prayed that the existing form of government should he abolished, anilithat • government directly responsible to parliament shqukl be Instituted in its room. This Earl of ELLENBOROUGH welcomed the citizens of Wissolawase se Marmite In the good nem of laden Wean The change in politic opinion was well shows by the petition, which set forth views he had long bald, bat the whole of which he; had not dived to •briag forward for fear of jeopardising improvements thazappeand likely to be tarried out. Lord WHARIiCLIFFE said in his opinion any attempt to legislate en India La the present elation mast be preen. hue. EMIGUAT_IGN TO NEW SOUTH WALES. The Earl of GLENGALL asked the Duke of Newcastle whether the bill to regulate the indentina of assisted immi gran:e in the United to and elsewhere, and their employment in the colony for a certain time after their snivel, mentioned in the despatch of Governor Fitzroy, dated Sidney, October 19, 18.52, has passed the legislature of New South Wales, and if so whetherithas received the royal assent. 'the Doke of NEWCASTLE raid the deep tUh, dated Oct. 19, 18.52, inclosed the draft of • bill which was re ceived in this country on the 22nd of January. Ha bad since received a despatch front the governor of New South Wale% dated as lately as the 6th of January. from which he found that there were five despatches between the 19th of October and the 6th of January, nee of which had yet been received. He had every Teen to suppose that nee of those despatchee contoined the act of the colouiel li•gielatere, of which the draft bill had reached this esuarry. Menne he was =eh," to say so positively, but as soon es the dispatch was received. if it did contain the act, he +sold lay it on the table ofche house, for the information of the noble lord. TRANSPORTATION FROM IRELAND. Is answer to the Earl of OLLNUALL, Do Dia, of ZiEWCABTIA aan, although thus iris Woia — lormolrfa± lid min *gash _ _ - great assay bad bun amployel on long voyages because more profitable, WI tbs abort voyage trade to vessels of other nations. It was not ia his power to give any infor mation to the wale lard with regard to W number of ships and sailors that want to Australia sad estwithed therefrom. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH ma be bed sat the lout doubt of the improvement of dm Ibewhipt Mode, but what he looked at was the falling ad tbs navigation for the home trade. CHIMNEY SWEEPERS REGULATION BILL. This bill west through tossaittot. CATHEDRAL APPOINTMENTS_BILL. TI Dill ;;;111;1711;tiVill;;;I 11;1111;111111S;d:;6;1 7. 2 state meet by Viscount CANNING that government could not agree to some amendments which bad been proposed by the Archbishop of Canterbury ; and after an amendment, moved by the Bishop of Oxrorto, imposing certain res. trietioes on the appropriation of chapter property, had been *greed to. CONES OF SPECIFICATIONS REPEAL BILL. I his bill was read a third time and passed. LAW OF EVIDENCE AND PROCEDURE BILL. This bill went through committee, and was ordered to be reported after the mews. S - manner liable, so far 51 Hessian can be n ___ applicable, preset" ) ing, however, the law of primogeniture," and to isave me all the remains words of the resolution. Hr. DRUMMOND said, he believed that it was said the; walls had sacs, and if so, he might be said la thielnese le la addressing the house, although there were 111 141110111114111116 dress (at this moment there were sea rely a theft 111111116 . 1111. present). The appearance of the house was sartidalo mit symptomatic of the alarm felt in the country on the piton omission, which the bon. gentleman had slated. It was saki that Dean Swift on one occasion finding no one in the alga* bat the clerk and himself, addressed his—" Dearly bliPleil Roger, the scripture moved you and me la sundry ' plagog," ana it seemed that the discussion at present was awaited to himself (Me. Drummond) and the chairmaa. (" Hear, hear," and a lava.) His right bon. friend (Sir J. Pakington) seemed to AM that he (Mr. Drummond) menattobeistirical,wheabe said this was an elder brother's lax. He mast nethingel the sort, and in explaining what E...c.v.. wesid ... mg it 1411144.117 to was be not is altrue 01l "to possible. Seat s smile settlement did not pay this tag, hat when the tax was put on partially, the has chip was that they paid double ; as thh awmismift had at th e same rate as their meats, and rosy had only their settlements after their parents' death. Hip right hon. friend said that the land in this country - was not held in large masses, but by yeomen, asd permits of that class ; but his right hon. friend ought to know that land of that kind was never under settlement ; it might have insumbrances of all sorts, but never was chameerwith settlements. That class never encumbered their estates in that meaner, as large proprietors did ; and the tax would not affect them. His (Mr. Drummond's) *ideation to the arguments in this debate was that he could met understood what any oae who did not object to a legacy duty, when he was suited to affirm an abstract proposition to apply to all successions, could mean by making one ex- Option to it. He had, however, some doubt until the bill was brought in, how the plan was to be carried out. ae saw such difficulties and hardships that it would be globose impossible to carry it out. For that radon he was gem that time should be wasted In discussing the abstract monition, and he thought they ought to have reserved themselves until they got the bill before them and went into committee. His difficulty was, that the tendency now was, by means of simplification of titles and Utility of transfer, to render land more easily saleable. He looked on land as something more important than an object of sale ; he looked oa it as the basis of monarchy. No landed pro prietor possessed any political influence if he wee a "par ' twee," and it was because great estates were associated with great names that they gave influence; bat if they were cut up and made saleable like stock, all tho influence attached to them would be gone. As a hereditary monarchy more influence than an elective monarchy, so and which went in a settled succession possessed greater influence than that which was constantly changing hands. His right hen. friend bad spoken of the increase of direct taxation which sou intended to get rid of indirect taxation. He (Mr. Drummond) said that you had got rid of too muck indirect taxation ; for the object of the advocates of direct taxation was, that it should be carried to such a poiat as to become so oppressive, that it could not be borne, and that we should be obliged to get rid of our military establish ments. They were mistaken however, for the first day that the house refused the supplies, it would not be the soldiers who would be turned adrift ; but the funds would go first and the mills next, and the man with a sword or a bayonet would be the last to go without a dinner that day. (A laugh.) He said that it was dangerous to increase direct taxation so mach as that the country would refuse to pay it, and those who hoped for that event might depend upon it, that it would recoil on their own heads. Ile would end as be began, by saying that it would be better to let this reser heti= pesond take the discussion on the bill. . Mr. WW . WILLIAMS said the state of the house showed the interest which was taken in a question which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Fresbfield) called a war upon property. With the permission of the select party present he (Mr. Williams) would endeavour to fill up some of the time which must elapse before the division took place at twelve or one o'clock. ( Hear," and a laugt.) lie was sorry the right hon. gentleman (Sir J. Pakington) was not in his place. lie should have liked, had the right hon. gentleman been present, to have observed on the long speech he had made in opposition to the proposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Much apprehension had been expressed by many noblemen and by some gentlemen of the middle class with re gard to this tax. If they would only take the troutle is calculate the amount of the legacduty all such &porches. had sions would disappear. It been stated lio several high authorlies, and among them the right km. gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire, that nine tenths of the landed property of this country was under set tlement ; that that kind of property was only liable to a duty of I per cent. What was the amount charged at the rate of 1p 'r cent. ? The legacy fluty was payable on the gross capital. He would take an estate producing 1001. a year, and estimating its value at 33 years' purchase, it would be worth 3,3001. Now 1 per cent. on that would be 331., or something less than four months' rental of the first year, and that was all the possessor had to pa y for the enjoyment of the property for his whole life. The same calculation would apply to large ea well as small 'estates. Take au estate of 6001. a year, and at 33 years' purchase it would be worth something near 20,0001., and the payment of a legacy duty of 1 per cent. would amount to 2001., being something less than a third of a year's rental. Take an estate of • 1,5001. a year, and at 33 years' pur chase it would be worth 50,0001. ; the duty payable would be 6001., or the third of a year's rental. So again, an estate of 3,0001. a year, which was ',limited 'at the value of 100,0001., would pay a duty of 1,0001. But from the manner in which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had valued real property, he would never see 25 years' pur chase as its value, or even 20 years'. He (Mr. Williams) would take the vllas at 25 years' purchase, and the duty payable at 1 per cent. would only amount to one quarter at a year's rental. That was the case of persons who came into property, for the removal of the impediments I. which they had been praying for years—(laughter)—and they bad only to remain in their previous position for a quarter of a year, and they would pay off the whole amount of the duty which the landed gentry were afraid to contemplate. Ile was astonished that the ratlmma who were connected .with the land would mtoset thmassives to such a stigma as 'that which they now bees—l g on others a tax teem which they carefully their own class. He, tee his part, would not be so ;were he a coon tiroy e slansan he would not only this kg this extension of the duty, but he would ask tag as imposition of the iaty too. In condemns the has. gentleman made an appeal to the par ercelknee '. protestant and religious " body before him, singling out Mr. Newdegate, and he when was their Christian morality which permitted pang after year upholding and even aggravating, when g h m mat ead, the unjust and unfair system of taxation the world had ever witnessed. Hr. AOLIONBY would be glad to see an inclination in that house to face more firmly the question of the burdens on land. He, for his part, had bean a freetrader all his life, and rejoiced in the results of free trade ; but he could not deny that there were special burdens on real property, and he thought that they would not get on satisfactorily in adjusting their system of taxation until they relieved real property, Including the land, from some of the weight of taxation which it at present bore. But this was a question apart from that before the committee; and he would vote for the scheme of the Chancellor of the Exelsequer. He bad been twitted the previous evening, on account of what be had said of the present suffering state of the tenant farmers, with befog at heart a protectionist, and with surrendering his mooniest convictions to his party feelings, but these who knew him were aware that he only voted for the present government because he considered it the best and me,' abt ril government they were likely to have. Mr. IL G. LIDDELL took no selfish views of this question. He was glad to see food cheapened to the poor, and life made more easy to the manes of the people ; but he pretested, as a matter of juetioe, against ailing upon real opsrty almost alone to audit up the deficit thole ereuntOUS on occasioned. beouat OODERICH said that as the chief ground of oppedtion to the proposition of the government was that it bees with peculiu injustice on the land, and as no boo. mamilemen opposite was more entirely bound up with the intense of land than he was, he felt anxious to take an op portiunty of stating the reasons which should induce him. to vote fur the resolution of the right lion. gentleman. (Rear, hear.) It was admitted on all sides that every tag should be levied in just proportion on all classes, and anima there were some special reasons to justify the exemption of any one class, that exemption was in itself an evil. (Hew, hear.) But then it was said that it was unjust to extend the legacy duty to real property, first, because that species of property war already burdened with taxation from which other descriptions of property were exempt, and secondly, because the legacy duty was so unjust in itself that this tax ought to be got rid of. Ho denied both of these positions. He believed that the main isms) of the fall of the Frsni.h nubility—more powerful in its operation than even the vices of the noires in the last reigns of the French monarchy—was that they rejected the advice of the best and wisest of her statesmen, such as Target and others like him, and refused to bear their jut portion of the taxa tinier the Waist. (Cheers.) He therefore asked bon. gentlemen opposite to pause ere they rejected the proposi tion before the house ; for depend upon it, there was a strong feeling, whether right or wrong, amongst the people of this country, that the landed proprietors had made use of their power and iaflucoee to shield themselves from this tax. (Heir, bear.) He would recommend them to be content with the advantages and consideration which the possessiun !Aland brought with it. He would recommend them, above all things, to be ready to hear equal burdens of bastion with the rest of the community, aid by so d o i ng they would, more than by any other means, matributo to the stability of the nation and the permanence of those in stitutions which they.regireled as its pride and glory. Mr. I:AYLEYsaid he had heard with pleasure the speech just delivered by the noble lord—a spa eh full of ability and r .„ o o se . (cboara.) The Bolds lord in his concluding ob servations appeared to imagine that the liiivkil interest eri,lied to shield itself from its due shard of taxation; the truth being that, unlike personalty, it possessed a quality which rendered such an attempt impracticable. (Hear, Y 14 ...mule was proposed, it wai admitted that land paid two pence in the pound more than personalty. The personalty in the funds, in mortgagee, and in other forms of invest. Went, amounted to not less than 00,000,0001. a year • why should it not pay the income tax equally with realty (Hear, hear.) He asked for no undue exemptions on behalf of the landed interest; all that he claimed for it was jostles. Mr. PETO said state he had had the honour of • seat in that hoase then were certain terms which he had often heard, but had never had the happiness of hearing ex plaiaed. lie had heard, for example, of " peculiar bur ins on land ," bat had he been told what thaw pe culiar burdens were. (Ironical cries of " Hear, hear," from the opposition.) Again, with regard to the phrase "financial justice," he had never heard it stated what they were to do in order to carry out financial justice. As to the statement that " land had been hardly dealt by," he must say his own impression was that it had been more considered and protected that any other interest in the country, and that since protection was withdrawn It had prospered more than any other. ("Oh, oh," from the opposition.) The general feeling in the country with regard to the budget, as far as he could understand it, was this—they did not like the income tax for seven years, but were prepared to submit to it on gamut of the vast amount of good b_y which it was accompanied. The effect of many of the Chancellor of the Exchequer's measures would be to increase the comforts of the poor man, and hon. members should bear in mind that every new comfort given to the poor man lightened the insurance on their own pos. mace'. (Cheers.) Mr. NEWDBGATE said that the hon. member spoke with the chagrin of a purchaser of the advanced price of land, but should recollect that that land was not the only commodity that had advanced in value under the influence of recent events. Manufactures and wages had also ad vanced, but bow could it be otherwise in the pre sence of so extraordinary an influx of the precious metals. (Laughter.) The right hon. gentleman had already secured himself from the possibility of defi ciency next year, and still he asked the representatives of real property tolubmit to a tax which parliament in the gradual exigency of the wcr bad before refused to consent to. (Hear, bear.) The right hon. gentleman talked of compensation. Compensation ! The landed interest bad had enough of compensation. The repeal of the corn laws had been compensated by the reduction of the sugar duties, and the ruin of our colonies by the re,seal of the navigation laws. (Hear, hear.) Now, forsooth, leasehold property was suffering from an anomalous tax, and was to be cont. pensated by the infliction of the legacy duty on real pro perty. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman was now accumulating taxation on one narrow point, and next year be would extend the franchise, thus increasiag the demands on real property, while diminishing the power of the holders to defend it. That was a policy which he (Mr. Newdegate) asserted was a rapid approach to confiscation. (Hear, hear.) He seized property at the most distressing period, by a law which the present possessor had no interest in resisting, and he did this at a time when there was no excuse in the neceaitits of the public service. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BRIGHT said that although he agreed to the general proposal to extend this tax, the right bon. gentleman had used arguments with respect to the burthens on landed property which he had never expected to hear from that side of the house. The right hon. member for Buckinghamshire, with an ingenuity surpassed, had session after session endeavoured to prove that there were special burthens upon land which entitled it to exemption from taxation. He had said everything he could say in decency, and yet always failed to convince the house that there was anything real in the grievance he tried to substantiate; and the house and the country had regarded his complete abandon. ment,of that idea with great satisfaction. (Hear, hear.) But no sooner had he given up the notion that landed proprie tors had any claim to remissions on account of local taxa tion, than his great antagonist and successor took up the story, and based his mode of extending the legacy duty on that very fallacious end unsubstantial grievance. Hence, while money in the funds, property in banks, machinery, or merchandise, would have to pay from 1 to 10 per cent., according to the degrees of consanguinity, real or rateable pro p erty would only have to pay k to 5 per cent. He (Mr. Bright) protested entirely against that principle, and would not be thought to acclaim, in that which would hereafter be stoutly urged as a reason against making this tax equal on all descriptions of property. He gave the Chancellor of the Exchequer cre dit for the 'enrage with which he bad dared to touch this subject at all. But for that, no doubt, his income tax would have been defeated, and perhaps the present go vernment would not have survived an attempt to carry the , income tax in its present form, unless they had linked it with a proposition which the country approved from one end to the other, namely, that the tax upon suceessions should be levied upon all the property of the country. A division being loudly called for, and no one rising, the galleries were cleared, but no division took place. Oa our re-admission, Mr. DISRAELI was addressing the committee. He re commended his friends on that side of the house not to offer any opposition to the resolution in that stage, in order that the government might introduce their bill, and that the sense of the house might be taken on the second read ing, when they had the details of the plan fully before them. (Cheers.) The resolutions were then put and agreed to, amidst loud cheering, and the house resumed. 2 THE liIPMISS, SATURDAY ENVING, MAY 14, 1853. ;:,:. 4V AMP l 4.,Alra , .. 'N. I3II'EItIAL PARLIAIiEVI. f ume accumulation of convicts in En ! ttimd, in c• a ec tilsa p ce to isternipt transactions of this Sind. It appeared to him bear)) Idelltelligenee might evade taxation-land ne . . ,of the older nut to send more convidts' t. Nan bidet% s that the b dget Imes be considered a a war against pro- • oouldliot. ,: be tel and the poor rate were burden; ta. - - -- Lead ; yet, as regarded Ireland, two vesedeAmm a jame. s, ~• at it env . .1 '. , i Win •qpigagrto ad ;'• and personalty having bniMeto escaped: , s nail lIOUSF. OF LOItllS.-FlilliAT, MAT 13. •iets had been sent, not to Van Dirs s ."TiTgand, bu 'le - Iglu . ,'" . w r•. : , it had( 4 them II .a it Wlas' now proposed that lattlalievidgf soy The Luau CHANCELLOR took h', seat at 3 s'elack. Western Australis, and as large a c..m.. haillheen ie. tF ne rii T ainst p ity t • •is *it ho ed the leg duty. l a w ac te case of the stamp duty,.4ooo, . Mori ROYAL A...15-ENT. before. t. - .. 0 •' .0 1 l i el :. 6 agine . • uancial are , h PIM rat I I was pai by land, only 2,000,0001. by perpetuity. f r. B. The r.yal stunt we given by commission to the follow- .ATI...tiATION4T , .13 itself, might '', n draw it „ mithiefs end evrie, thoguestion was tia• be treated as one of equivalents, thir itMas la Lord STANLF:i of ALDE •. , nee t .0 11 1 1 1 hied _ kw . 1 that it 7.. - ' •1 • o i tt. ii t hoot* ought to relieve the lend from taxation. Incea cif spoke," ag bill. -The Exchalser Bills ; the Crystal Pelee* Coo- ney ; the Lowestoft Water, Gas, and Market ; the Dublin ! 'stun* att'aik for a few sights by . . , e''''" , •• f E '';.''''''' -bth• • en. ' was ,aftre . ngero . uw . -. r••. . t , imporidgen it sti additional burden. (Laughter.) • "The 1 and Belfast Railway Company; sad the Grit Yarmouth 1 rough, say,. t h a t a great number of sailors had gone out tai hon. frie • . might eom a a majority bat boast; b ut every possible wish to support the right bon. gentleman, \ vista% c IV atc mot 10. I sump ..• at wages of not more theft a shilling a month. It the friendship he felt for him induced • - (Mr. Fresh• must tell him that he would find himself Mirrounded wi - .Igaie. 17 re-Lived• Cleinsiesieutere-wen-che usu k .chutoolet. Iha satisfactory ..la their. to know that _ See) ) to warn bitt,plito. et Lekt_bilßEßlL Lill. preppritjm P almost, insuperable difficulties when his got into committee Mr. B Lord Calming, and Lord Stanley of Alderley. ' 161 ,14 I !Le number of vessels trading in ma d e between the Tyne which bad struck a heavier blow at a ptaalic conidence: thus -(bear, being :rand even if the proposition were carried, Sir J. and London so far from having disairdebed had increased. he expected. The hon. gentlentauffihea moved the follow the effect woad be greatly to einbarrus the titles of land, at Mr. 1 PETITIONS PRESENTED. that, we g ams lage increase in..thcasabor of st e amers, ing amendment :-Line 4, after " real" to insert after the a period when the general tendency of legislation was to object le bbzwlTT paelms--Mip LimatilitellOHAll• hevalpies« Naafi -aah mas t to 6 4 a wing c omb imp bug that c gre at word " estate," "In like manner as personal estate I. nee amplify them. (Hear, hear.) At the same time that this to mak I lii M"a4tiamenaltigei Barnstaple, Plates in Dethllaitettaa many bad bees amadatiad es kw vismos beam more liable, so far @stimulus am be made applicable, orrery- measure we proposed, itras admitted that land paid two- ofthltic COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The house having gone into oomusittee of supply, Mr. WILSON stated that he should only ask the cow maims to agree to a single vote-60,0001. on account, for civil contingencies—which it was necessary should be taken before the recess. ----- ---- ----- The vote was agreed to, and the house resumed. CUSTOMS AND ASSESSED TAXES ACTS. The hoes. then, on the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, went into committe on these acts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his object was to propose and take • rote on the resolutions altering the assessed taxes and customs duties, so as to be enabled to bring the questions before the house in the bill in • much more complete form than could be done in the form of resolutions. The Chairman then read the resolutions. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY wished to know whether under the new arrangement masters of hounds would have to pay 10s. for each hound kept, or whether they might compound for them as at present ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that when the bill was introduced, the hon. gentleman would see that if was not intended to interfere with the Ogees which at present prevailed in regard to compound log for the tax on dogs. In answer to a natation from Sir F. KELLY, which was not audible amid the contagion of members leaving the house — The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that he would lay on the table that evening an amended copy of the Castings resolutions, containing certaining modiSca now of the originals, which would be delivered to members in the morning with the votes. Mr. BRIGHT congested that the right hon. gentleman should, before bringing in the bill founded on the assessed tax rem:apnea', consider the propriety of abolishing the absurd taxes on armorial bearings and hair powder. (" Hear, heal.," and a laugh.) He should not be suspected of any personal Interest ia this matter—(a laugh)—but he had known instaisees where persons who had sealed learn with the repregentation of some animal, had been charged by the surveyor of taxes with the duty on armorial beat- Inge. He thought when they ware dealt with taxes by millioneose absurd taxes which produced next to nothi and made the system ridiculous. (Hear, hear) Colonel SIBTHORP thought the Chancellor of the Ex chequer might afford a considerable amount of relief to the people of. this country by imposing a heavy tax on the lamentable influx of foreigners which was constantly coming tolhis country. (Loud laughter.) It was lamentable to see the immense amount of money carried out of this country by foreign Opera dancers and Opera singers. (Cheers and more laughter.) For his part, be would encourage nothing that would interfere with native talent and native claims, and native industry.. (More laughter.) Ito was sorry to say, however, that the higher clan es of this country encou raged those foreigners, whether male or female, and whe ther they bad any character or not, in preference to their own countrymen, and were laughed at by them for being such consummate fools. (A laugh.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had un derstood that the course to be taken was to .go into com mittee to night, for the mere purpose of passing the formal resolutions upon which to found the bills, and not to enter into the merits of the proposition—(hm, hear,)--and on that account he hoped the honourable member for Man chester would excuse his replying to the question he had put, and he hoped he should fur the same reason be ex cused fur not replying to the observation of the hon. and gallant member opposite. (Hear, bear.) The resolutions were then formally put and passed, and the house resumed. - 11; WickwoodForest Bill wee read a third time and passed. EXPENSES OF ELECTIONS BILL. Mr. C. BERKELEY moved the mewl reading, inti mating that the:discussion would be taken on going into committee. Col. SIBTEORP protested against this species of legisla tion. lie wished there were more expenses at elections, mid then they would have better company in that Louec. The motion was agreed to, and the bill was read a second time. RYE WRIT. On;the order of the day for resumiag the 'di turned debate on the motion for issuing a new writ fur the borough of It e, Lord PALMERSTON, on the part of the g .vernment, hod no objection to urge to the i=euior of the. w, it. He bo disposed to leave the matter to be d.•cided en ,tirely by the house, but he might be allowed to say that he himself saw no rufficient grouud for suspending the writ. Die general practice of the house was that if a writ was • an; Loti It. B. ibit tie purpose of bringing in some the cdreunistanem out of which thr ion , and as be did not understand that there ly seek I:Mention, he had no opposition to offer to itiire on the part c f . the government. BASS use, bet boxing spukeu on the subject when haulm er disco:do% he was met by cries of " Spoke, " and SPE stated that the hon. member having on the motion before, could not address the house BASS again Nee, but was not allowed to speak. J. SHELLEY moved that the house ao adjourn. BASS seconded the motion and stated that his only A in rising to speak, was to gm) that it was his intention eek for leave to introduce a bill for the disfranchisement of thlborongli t _Tear.) Sir J. SHELLEY laid u his object was only to give the hon. gentleman= opportunity of speaking, he would with draw his minden. (Gibed " no," and" divide.") The house this divided— , _ 52 193-141 FENWIIMI esimplakied that hon. members had had an; et looking into the evidence; and he =Mahe% support the motion for the postponement of the *writ. Mr. MILES said the house wet reoolleet that this was the second committee which had sat upon the question ; and that oonsequentlythe matter had been fully investigated. As the committee had not recommended the postponement of the writ be thought it ought to June. Col. KNOX regretted that he felt compelled to coma to a different eenolutoa. If they issued the writ In this case, it would render their proceedings on election petitions a perfect farce. This was a very &grant instance, for in addition to a most vicious system off low, it was notorious that the grossest treating had been resorted to. Yet it was only the other day that they refused the writ for Harwich, where there was hardly a tittle of evidence. (" Oh I ") Here was a case in which the hon. gentleman who had been unseated had deposited 2,0001. with his banker, the whole of which was expended in the most corrupt prac tices; and out of 39 public-houses, 34 had been opened for the purist= of demoralising the electors. (Hear, hear.) Mr. PHI I4I3LORE ehould vote for the postponement of ON writ, because he thought that if they took no notice of this case they would expose themselves to the charge of hypocrisy. (Hear, hear.) Mr. TUFNELL thought the hon. and gallant member should have intimated his views on one of the four occasions on which the question had already been debated. (Colonel Knox : rose five times the last night.) He should oppose the motion for the postponement, after the statement of the right hon. gentleman (Sir J. Pakington) that the committee did not recommend the suspension of the writ. Sir F. KELLY should support the motion for the imme diate issue of the writ; for he thought it was unconstitu tional sad unjust to suspend writs unless with a view to ulterior measures likely to result in the disfranchisement of the borough. The LORD ADVOCATE thought there was no case for . . . Mr. BASS stated that although Lord J. Russell was for issuing the writ on Monday week, he had gone over the report with the noble lord, and the noble lord authorised him to say that the writ ought not to issue without further inquiry. (Hear, hear.) That opinion his lordship had not since modified. Lord A. VANE, amidst great impatience, taunted with inconsistency the government and the hon. baronet (Sir J. Shelley), who seemed =Biogs to constitute himself the public prosecutor, and who was always making motions respecting the issuing of writs and moving prosecutions against gentlemen who were quite as honourable as him self. He begged to move the adjournment of the debate. (Cries of Oh !") Sir J. PAKINGTON expressed a hope that his noble friend would not press his motion. (Hear, hear.) He deprecated theie proceedings, which were is their nature judicial, and should not take a party turn. As he could not think that there was any case for the disfranchise meat of the borough, he should vote for the issuing of the writ. Lord SEAIIAM said, on all questions of issuing writs he usually voted with the chairman of the election committee, but in this case he thought a case had been made out for inquiry, and he should vote for the issuing of the writ. Mr. BASS urged that after the report of the committee, which went to the length of saying that the corruption of the borough was so clear that there was no necessity tor inquiry by a commission, it would be a farce to issue the writ. The house divided : For the adjournment Against it The motion for issuing the writ was then agreed to. PILOTAGE BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Mr. CARDWELL said that he wished those clauses to which there was no objection should be pav ed at once. Sir F. KELLY said he was quite w illing to consent to proceed se far as there was no opposition, but no further. Captain SCOBELL objected to proceeding at that time of night. Ile had an amendment to propose, which, if ho did justice to it, would take him some time to enforce. Mr. CARDWELL should not waste the time of the committee by discuuioa whether they should go on. He thought hon. members who had amendments to make ought to be obliged to him for clearing the way. Mr. 0. HUDSON did not think the right hon. gentleman would gain anything in the course he proposed to pursue. The CLIAIRtdAN then put the question that the pre amble be postponed. Mr. D. SEYMOUR moved that the Chairman report pro gress. Capt. SCOBELL seconded, and after a few words from Mr. Cardwell and Mr. G. Hudson, the motion was agreed to and the house resumed. THE MALDON WRIT. Mr. T. CHAMBERS moved that a writ be issued for the borough of Malden. Lord PALMERSTON said it was quite impossible that the house could agree to this motion. The house had agreed to an address to the crown for a commission of inquiry, and the address was now before the House of Lords. Under these circumstances it would be quite inconsistent that they should issue the writ. Sir J. SHELLEY suggested that the motion should be withdrawn. Mr. T. CHAMBERS said it was true an address had been sent up to the House of Lords, but it had been lost or mis laid, or at any rate was not proceeded with. After the sug gestion which had been made be should withdraw the Motion. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LONDON AND DUBLIN. On the motion of Mr. 11. IiEBBERT the following mem bers were appointed a select committee on cemmuaication between London and Dublin :—Mr. Henry Herbert, Lord Alfred Hervey, Sir Richard Bulkeley, Mr. Vance, Mr. Henry Corry, Mr. Forteseue, Mr. Repton, Mr. Tolle macho, Captain Duncombe, Lord Naas, Admiral Berkeley, Mr. Richard Fox, Mr. Bright, Viscount Jocelyn, and Mr. George Hamilton. INCOME TAX. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Income Tax Bill. The second reading was fixed for Friday next. CUSTOMS DUTIES ON SPIRITS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Customs duties on Spirits Bill. Second reading fixed for Thursday next. PLYMOUTH ELECTION COMMITTEE. On the motion of Mr. AOLIONBY the evidence taken before this committee was ordered to be printed. The house then adjourned at a quarter to one o'clock. ELECTION EXPOSURES. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. On the motion of the Earl of ADIRDEZN, it was agreed that the house, at its rising, should adjourn until Monday, the 23rd inst. Some bills on the table were then advaaced a stage, and their lordships adjourned shortly after 8 o'clock. ROUSE OF COMMONS.—F2IDAY, MAI 13. The Breacza took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE Busuigsq. The following bill; were read a third time:—Darenth Valley Railway ; Monkland Railway ; Norwieb and Spald ing Railway ; Portadown sod Dnapanow Railway; Allen dMe Road ; Ballymena, Ball , Osieraine, sad Port rush Junction Railway (No. • ); Waterworks; Gorbals Gravitation Water ; Limed* Corporation ; Lon donderry, Coleraine, and Belfast Jussadisw Railway; Peebles Railway ; Staines, Wokingham, and Waking Junction Railway , W y Valley Railway—Bills. SWUM) RlADlNO.—liooker's Disabilities Removal Bill. ROYAL COMMIB.BION.‘ Mr. PULMAX. Yeoman Usher of the Bleck Rod, sum moned the house to the Rouse of Peers to hear the royal eersaussion read. INDIA. Mr. DISRAELI wished to know *►ether her Majesty's government could state as what day they intended to in troduce their measure with regard to the administration of the affairs of India. (Hear, hear.) Viscount PALMERSTON said he was sure the right hon. gentleman must feel that, until the government were able to see their way mere clearly with regard to the finan cial measures then under discussion, it would be impossible for them to fin any particular day for introducing a measure on so large ant wide a subject as that of India. (Hoar.) Mr. HUME thought the government ought to make known their intentions as soon as possible. (lieu, hear.) PROPERTY QUALIFICATION OF MEMBERS, AND GOVERNMENT DOCKYARD ELECTIONS. Mr. TUFNELL gave notice that on the 14th of May he would move for leave , o bring in a bill to abolish the pro perty qualification now required by members of parliament. (Cheers.) The hon. member also gave notice that when the noble lord the member for the city of London moved for leave to bring in a bill to disfranchise the voters in government dockyards, he should move as an amendment, that the votes of all such person should be taken by bal lot. (Hear, hear.) THE FARMERS AND THE ASSESSED TAXES. Sir F. KELLY wished to know whether in the re-con struction of the armed taxes, it was the intention of the government to interfere with the exemptions hitherto en joyed by farmers and a great number other persons in relation to the tax upon horses, upon gips. and upon carts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was not the intention of the government to interfere in any way with the exemption in respect of hones employed in hus bandry. With respect to heroes not employed in hus bandry, he would rather his hon. and learned friend would look at the b 11, which would shortly be introduced. As to bigv, it was undoubtedly one of the principal objects of the ill to place them under a moderate tax. SALE OF COFFEE ANI) CHICORY. Lord C. HAMILTON said, geeing the hon. member for Weetbury in his placir,he wished to ask him whether it were true that the new regulation with respect to the sale of coffee sad chicory had been evaded, and if so whether it was the intention of the government to make any alteration. Mr. WILSON said this:was a question to which he wished to give, for the information of the house and the public, a very explicit reply, because it was one which involved the interest of a very large clue of dealers in this country. The noble lord referred, he supposed, to • fraud which had been committed on a very large scale by so intermioglisa the words " mixture of chicory and coffee," that though the letter of the law was complied with, its spirit was entirely broken. He bad communicated on the subject with the Chairman of the Hoarder Inland Revenue, and they had adopted another plan, which he thought would be effectual fur its purpose. They had issued a cir cular requirin; that every package should have on one side of it the words, " This Is sold as a mixture of chicory and coffee;" and also that no other words should be printed on any part of the paper except the name and address of the vendor of the article. There was, too, a similar regulation with regard to the canisters in which the mixture was kept. rscomE TAX. The resolutions on the income tax were brought up and agreed to, and leave given to Lord J. Ronan, the Chan. miler of the Exchequer, and Lord Palmerston, to bring in the bill. WAYS AND MiLAN&—THE LEGACY DUTY. The order of the day for the adjourned debate wee then Sr J. PAKTNOTON said that he was anxious to take the earliest oppeetunity of expressing his Aim on this most important subject. He sonsidegal the present pro posal of Ike Chunqiu of this per to be outs of the mast important that tar a long period had bun submitted to the legislature or the country, but at the same time it was one epee which be could not bring himself to look with anything like approbation. Like the right hon. gen tlernso, he world as the meant occasion aniline himself to the discussion of the prple, salt was against the prin ciple that his objections were mainly directed. The right hoc. gentleman liad stated several distinct grounds for op posing the tax, of which the fintwas that it would have the effect of rectifyieg the inequalities of the income tax. He could not look upon that ground ea one sufficient to justify the right bon. gentleman, because thinking that the tax as proposed bore hardly on rateable property, he Gould not recognise the right of laying es additional taxation for the purpose of rectifying any presumed inequality. The neat reason assigned was that the imposition of the duty would *sable parliament if so sanded to part li t is ri c Z the income to in 1860. Now, be mast confess his Was dulity as to the possibility of getting rid of the tax then, under any possible contingency. The sect reason was that by means et the Iwwy duty, the right hon. gentleman would be able fu rth er to reduce the butlers of iadireet tuation, Now, he would appeal to the committee whether these two last reasons were not inconsistent with each. other. _ _ (Hear, bear.) If the right hon. gentleman contemplated further abatements in indirect laxative, what hope was there ;of parting with the ,inoome tax in 1860? (Hear, hear.) He cams noir to the fourth, and by far the most important reason. Thi right lion. gestleiran stated that he imposed this burthen in order to remove the galling anoma lies of the present law. (Hear, hear.) He would eades your fairly to do battle with the right hon. gentleman on that ground, as he considered that it was on that ground the gentles must mirk be decided. The right bon. gentleman having catalogers' those alleged anomalies asked the house triumphantly did they think it porn& to goon much longer with the mama system. He (fir J. Pakington) said why not? The system bah lasted seventy years, and the exact plan at prepht in operation for My or sixty years. The right has. gentle mem bad esid to Mr. Pitt, but he would nomad thevight ben. sph that Mr. Pitt had distishay_dissiehmei that newel. Is 1796 daring the debate ma Mr. Pitt 's pies, the New argument was used, but that statesman disced it, mealy tending to paharroms the quention. He only mentioned this to show that Mr. Pitt in* set ialleenoW by the aeoesaly of the ease. The nal .pestles sow at issue was this—was the peptised as &jut and fair one, and one to which the country ought WU called upon to submit ? ( ' Hear, hear" Ifrom the country men.) He should endeavour to l show that the earomalies did not exist and 1 that although the duty was at preseat only c tisy I levied on p rsuual property, the barthens on real property formed a full equivalent He believed that the burthens on real property were double those on personalty, and that, ifthere was any namely, it was in reality the other way. His objection to the proposed harshen might be summed iupin a few words. It was that the tax was deficient is I that impertiality which should always be the first object I looked to by a drums minister. After stating his reasons for arriving at this conclusion, the right hon. gentleman said that he resisted the present proposal, believing it to be unjust in principle, and with regard to the whole budget be considered it moat injurious to the great interests of the country. (Hear.) Mr. .FRESIIFIELD rose to move an amendment, with the view of exempting marriage and other settlements on !estates from the legacy duty on succession. The principle of a legacy duty was a tax on the property of the dead, sad ; sot on the incomes of those who were living. Tbe right ' hoo. gentleman had urged as one reason for impeding the legacy tax on real property that the stamp duty on trans fers and dcels relating to land was inadequate ; but, if so, the proper course was not to put on a new—and as he con ceived as unjust tax, but to increase the stamp ditty. His practical objection to the preposition of his right bon. friend was, that it imposed a tax merely on successions, ire ate ail of on ini:Pritalce in the legal seater. Bellthll .ettle smolt+, PI/V.IIMMn purchased and co . noected with . a death, though not of the persons posseoneg the lily interests, . would be liable to the In. It would be a great siaoclia, THE COMMITTEE ON DOCKYARD PRO- MOTIONS AND APPOINTMENTS. EXAMINATION OF_THE EARL OF DERBY. Yesterday the Earl of Derby mac • The Chairman (Lord Seymour), addressing his lordship, said—ln consequence of a statement which has been made to this committee, I wish to ask your lordship whether, on the formation of your government, you made any stipulation or condition wish the Duke of Northumberland respecting appointments or promotions at the Admiralty ? The Earl of Derby—When I first formed the government, and asked the Duke of Northumberland to do me the honour to take the office of First Lord of um Admiralty, the only condition which I made with him was this, that he should have the entire and absolute selection of the naval members of the board, that he was to choose those members of the service whom he thought the meet likely to be conducive to the public advantage, and that he was to have the whole and absolute control over the appointments and over the promotions, so far as they related to the naval government and service of the country. I did go so far, of course, as to require, in accordance with the usual practice, that two of the naval lords should be members of the House of Com mons—and I certainly now regret that I did not add a further condition, namely, that upon their first appoint ment they should be, if possible, persons conversant with parliamentary habits and with parliamentary practices. The Chairman—ls thecommittee to understand from that that your lordship thinks inconvenience to the public service arose from one Lord of the Admiralty not being sufficiently conversant with parliamentary usages and practices. The Earl of Derby—l think there was this inconvenience arose : that perhaps, as between them, from their not being connected with the Mouse of Commons, and the Secretary of the Admiralty being connected with the House of Commons, there was not so thorough an appreciation of their relative positions, and of the demands that would be made on both of them, as there would have been if the naval lords had been personally conversant with the management and busi ness of parliament. The Chairman—The committee, then, understand that you did not make any arrangement with the Duke of North timberland respecting his transfer of the civil patronage of the Admiralty to the Secretary of the Admiralty ? The Eerl of Derby—None whatever. I never even heard of the transaction until long subeequently. I considered the Duke of Northumberland entirely responsible for the admi nistration of the departments of the Admiralty. The Chairman—lt has been represented to the committee that Mr. Stafford stated he was under pressure from your self and Mr. Disraeli as to the distribution of that govern ment patronage, and the committee wish to ask you if that was the case ? _ _ The Earl of Derby —I should be very much surprised to hear that Mr. Stafford h-d made such a statement, because I have a high opinion of Mr. S:afford's personal honour, and he must have known that it was entirely inconsistent with the fact, and that there was not the slightest foundation for it. (Sensation.) The Chairman.-1 am not aware that there is any tithe, question the COMMittle have to ask your lordship. The Earl of Derby.—l am not aware that I li.re soy . thing to add, bat I am entirely at the service of the com mittee, to give them such information as I can give with out the introduction of private conversation.' ur tho disclosure of private matters which I think I am precluded from doing. The noble lord then withdrew, 'ate committee rising as he retired. Mr. M.P., was next examined—and denied that either the master-shipwright, at Devonport, or his assistant were motive partisans of his. On the day that he, Mr. Tufnell, was represented as having been in the pelt of the dockyard chapel, he believed, Sir J. Maxwell and Sir John Hominy were in another. It had been stated that there ma • patronage committee in Devonport, by which he (Mr. Tufoell) supposed was meant that there existed, as was the case, e po li tica l tal all o other er consisting neg, he ef supposed, d and each sending a member to the central one. 5, member who represented a dockyard was overwhelmed wary hitters, and it was impossible to ascertain whether the ap- Walnut were qualified or not. He had been sometimes most heartily abused for recommending persons to appointments who were most bitterly opposed to him politically ; and when the letters did come he referred them to some member or another connected with the borough committee. It bad been represented to the committee that, during many years all promotions in the dockyard, as well as entries, hid been invariably from one party, hat that represente. tion came from an agent of the opposite party. Them were statements from one side or the other from political • partisans that were not worthy of consideration at all. li e could place a statement before the committee to show the opposite was the case; but when these representations came to him, he attached no importance to them. With refe rence to his receiving more fervent support from the voters in the dockyard when his own friends were in power he might state, that when he was opposed by Mr. Dawson, the dockyard votes were 200 on either side; and that at the election of Sir J. jtomilly the votes for his_ (Mr. Tufnell's) opponents were rather above the average. Ito did not fee the slightest dissatisfaction with the distribution of patron age when his opponents were in power. Was at the dinner at Devonport, at which Master-Shipwright of Devonport • Dockyard, and other officers connected with the dockyard were present. The circumstances were these. Since 1647, he slid not think he had been near Devonport, but in ISM he received a pressing invitation to the dinner at Devon port. Ho happened to be in Germany at the time for his health, but was obliged to return to be 'at the dinner. Ile did not know who was to be there. Although' he had been a long time acquainted with the voters of Devon port, he did not know the men in the dockyard ever expressed a wish for the disfranchisement of the thee yard. Ho should say, however, in regard to that, that he entirely concurred in the opinion of Sir Francis B icing ex pressed yesterday—that the disfranchisement of the dock yard would cure the evil now complained of; but he did think all jobbing in the yard might be put down if the par ties at head-quarters were in earnest. At the same time he thought it right to state that if the practices continued that prevailed at the last election, he did think it was absolutely necessary either to disfranchise the dockyards or to give the men connected with the dockyards the right to vote by ballot. (Applause.) Although in the House of Commoca the Secretary of the Admiralty might be thought a very insignificant person, yet when he went down to the dock yards, he was considered there as representing the Admi ralty department, and for that reason he could hardly de scribe the effect which a visit from a person so aituated at • the time would have upon the voters. He never knew of an occasion at other elections when either the Secretary or a • Lord of the Admiralty had gone down to influence an • election. Mr. •Bere then called attention to some inaccuracies in the proper names of parties alluded to in his evidence of yesterday, the unavoidable result, it may be mentioned, of the inaudible way in which evidence in many instances reaches the reporters' tattle, arisiug further from the sotto voce tone in which statements arc made by witnesses whose voices are frequently lost to all but themselves and the short-hand writer at their elbow—their backs being turned both to the audience and table for the press, the witnesses, instead of standing up or occupying, as in the course of law, and committees of the House of Lords, an elevated position where they may be both seen and heard to advan tage, being planted it an easy chair in the centre of a room of most anti-acoustic construction. Mr. Bere also submitted a series; of questions to the chair- man, which he thought would tend further to facilitate the committee's inquiry into the matter, observing that the committee should be made aware of all the influences at work. The Chairman said these questions would necessitate the recalling officers of the Ordnance, and observed that Mr. Bete, being a political agent, could give no opinion with re ference to another party. The committee having heard him on one side, it would be neeessuy, if they extended the inquiry further, to call a political agent on the other, and this would re-open the question and extend the inquiry. If the committee went back to 1837 and 1847, and into matters connected with former Boards of Ordnance aad former Boards of Admiralty, it would be evident the inquiry would last the whole session. Mr. Dere said his sole object was to lay the facts before the committee, and not at all with a view that they should adopt his opinions. When he had said that there was what was called a patronage committee in Devonport, he meant there was a committee in connexion with members of parlia. ment to look after certain things, and that the greatest pos sible inconvenience arose to honourable members who had government patronage unless they had persons in the bo rough they could rely on, but this was the case in boroughs that had no parliamentary privileges. Mr. Beckett—You say that the former system has been reverted to, and that the submissions of the superintendent now come direct to you, and are by you forwarded to the Admiralty ? Sir Baldwin Walker—Yes. The Chairman—When was that reversal made ? Sir B. Walker—About two months ago, by an order in Conned. Mr. Stafford having denied that any interview or conver sation such as was stated by Sir Baldwin Walker to hare occurred, ever took place to his (Mr. Stafford's) recollection with reference to Sir Baldwin Walker's letter tendering his resignation, upon which occasion Mr. Stafford said, "It was of no use sending them to be placed in the Record office for all the clerks to read," said in continuation, "It is of ne use my repeating my denial of the story int, uted to me with reference to the Earl of Derby and Mr. Disraeli. I still say I have not the slightest recollection of having used the words imputed to me. Admiral Berkeley has said he thought it was imprudent to me to do so. I should not have considered it the least imprudent, because I should have thought that I was speaking confidentially to gentle men." Sir Baldwin Walker said, Mr. Eden, who was in his (Sit B. Walker's) office, wrote the conies of the letters in question which, on the 20th November, he left at the Ad miralty. Mr. Eden deposed to having copied the letter in question. The committee ordered the room to be cleared, and after the lapse of about half an hour adjourned until Moeda/ week, to give time for the consideration of their report to the house, and with the view, if thought expedient, of tak ing any further evidence. It may be mentioned that the able and impartial manner in which the noble chairman (Lord Seymour) conducted the examination of the witnesses throughout the tea days' in vestigation—all the questions emanating chiefly from the chair—hu been the subject of !general approbatiOn, the duty in itself a most delicate and onerous one, being con , ducted with an ability seldom witnessed in committees of the House of Commons, and fully equal to the fulfilment of any similar duties that devolve on leading learned gentle , men either on the bench or at the bar. - --- CORK (CITY). The committee assembled again yesterday. Mr. James Carnegie, an alderman of the borough of Cork, was the first witness called. lie said he attended Colonel Chatterton's committee-room on the day of the election, and went out after the polling commenced, and attempted to take some voters to the poll, but was forced to return in consequence of the violence of the mob, who were armed with sticke and other weep: s. As many as 1,342 promises were made to Colouel Chattertoe, and of these 899 voted for him. 341 omitted voting at ono 103 voted againd him. Colonel Chatterton. at the former election, was re turned by a majority of 209. Evidence as to agency and treating was then pracceded with, but it was not of an important character. The committee adjourned shortly before four o'clock until to-morrow (this day). PILOTAGE. Mom Isat night's Gazette.) • TO OWNERS, MASTERS, AND COMMANDERS OF slurs AND vESSELs. Trinity (louse, Ball, 4th May, 1813. Notice is hereby given, that from and after the let day of June next ensuing, the several rates of pilotage now' charged, received, and taken by the pilots appointed and licensed by this corporation to take charge of ships and ves sels from the river Humber to the several undermentioned places en the Bast Coast will cease and be discontinued; and in lieu thereof the following reduced rates of pilotage only will from thenceforth be cnarged, received, and taken by such pilots : k'or Ships and Vessels belonging to Subjects of Orcat Britain. Fulmer Rate, Winter Lite, from Marsh 31 from Sep'. 30 to Sept. 30. to March 31. From the Dumber to the Downs £0 10 0 £0 11 Ditto ditto Sore ... 0 8 0 0 ILI 6 t itto ditto Yarmouth 0 5 0 0 I; 6 Ditto ditto Bridlington 0 3 0 0 4 0 „. .....- .. . I) to ditto Stockton Pato ditto Sunderland }0 3 0 06 I Ditto ditto Sluelda Ditto ditto Leith Ship and vessels belonging to aliens to pay 2s. Ad. per foot in addition to the above rates. Ships and vowels drawing less than 10 feet water to pa, for 10 feet. By order, EDWARD S. WILSON, Secretary THE LATE LIEUT.-COL. SIR HARRY FRANcI.: COL. VILLE DARELL, BART,—The mortal remains of this gallant and deeply-lamented officer having arrived from Cagliari, in the island of Sardinia, where his premature death twit place on the oth of January last, were ctonsignel to that lest resting place on Thursday, at Richmond, Surrey, where many nu:utters of his family lie interred. The faro til t which was strictly private, wa, atter ded by his only brethee, the Rev. Sir Lionel Damn, ii at , and other relatives mad connections of the family. Captain Philip Payne Gainey Wu also present.