The Express. — London, England, 1853-03-05 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—FaiDam, Ilium 4. The LOAD CMANCIILLON took his seat at 5 o'clock. PETI ['loss PRESENTED. ADMISSION Or Jews TO l'anunnewr.—By the Brrl of CLANCARTY, frees Tipperary, places is Wiltshire, Cork, Cornwall, Derby, Warwick, York, Soeserost, and Longford. spinet r . 31aeouen.—By the Earl of CLANCARTY, from a Islam in Surrey, against. CONtOLIDATID ANNVITII4.—By the Earl of CLAN CARTY, from Taint and other places in Ireland, for the eemission of. INoPECTION or Cosvemes.—By tbe Earl of CLAN CARTY, from a place is Surrey, praying that COMUlii 'loners might be appointed to inspect convents. UXIVZRSITY TESTS.—By the Duke of ARGYLL, from the Isle of Skye, against t sta in Scotch Universities. COC,ITY COVILTS.-13y Lord BROUGHAM. from a place is Deabigh, fur the satensioa of. P.ottiaminvisw.v PArsiot.—By Lord BROUGHAM, from a Literary and Philosophic Society at Portsca, fur the tree distribution of. --- -------- --- NOTICE OF MOTION. COI'MTT Coyote.—li , nl BROUGHAM gave notice that is a few days he would move (or • return, showing the amount in causes tried in the County Courts and the Supe. nor Courts within a gives time. FOREIGN REFUGEES. Lord LYNDHuns . r.—My lords, I am anxious to isonavy for a very few moments the attention of the house, and more particularly of the noble earl opposite, on a subject of deep interest. It is matter of notoriety that great irritation prevails in the capital of the Amanita dominions, and throughout the whole of the country, against the people and government of England • and so far indeed has it been carried, that I understand the Austrian government have thought it right to appoint • police force to protect the English residents and the person of our ambassador from insult and attack. Although from recent circumstances that irritation has been greatly increased—l allude to those painful and deplorable events which have lately occurred— fet it owed its origin to the asylum which we have af orded to foreign refugees, and the manner in which they have been allowed to abuse the protection afforded to them by this country. Their conduct in this respect, as everybody felt, bar been most scandalous; and an ins pression has gone abroad that there are no adequate means in this country to punish them. If that were really the case it would be incumbent on the govern• man of this countr y to consider whether it would not be proper to introduce some law for that purpose. But Ido not think so ill of the common law of this country as to suppose it would leave an offence of this description without providing the means of adequate punishment; and I feel it my duty to state my opinion on that subject, which I do with great deference in the preseoce of the noble and learned lords who surround me, and who will correct me if what I state is erroneous. I will first pat the case of British subjects. If a number of British subjects were to combine and conspire together to ex cite revolt among the inhabitants of a friendly state—a state unitsd in alliance with us—if those persons, in pursuance of each conspiracy, were to issue manifestoes and proclarnatioes to carry their designs into effect—above all, if they were to 'absent)* money to purchase arms, with &view of giving effect to their intended enterprise, I con ceive and state with confidence, that such persons would be guilty of misdemeanour, and be liable to suffer punish ment by the laws of this country, inasmuch as their conduct would lead to remonstrance between the two countries, and perhaps eventuate in war. I think my noble and learned friends and my learned friends who assemble here to take so important • part in the deliberations of this house will not dissent from that. (Hear.) Now, my lords, with re spect to foreigners; foreigners residing in this country, as long as they reside here under the protection of this country, are considered in the lieht of British subjects, or rather, subjects of her Majesty, and are amenable to the criminal law in the same manner, to the same extent and under the same conditions as the subjects of this country. And my lords, in a case of this kind, where people come bees as refogne from • foreign state in conse quence of political acts which they have committed, they are bound upon every principle of gratitude to conduct themselves with propriety. Those circumstances tend very greatly to aggravate the offence, and no man can doubt but that they would be subjected to severe punishment. (Hear, hear.) I might put it in another shape. The offence of endeavouring to excite revolt among the subjects of • neighbouring state is an offence against the law of nations, nod no writer ou the law of nations states it otherwise MIA the law of nations, according to the decision of one S if the greatest of our judges, is apart of the law of England. I need say no more as to the nature of the offence eon mimed these indieidnels and their being subject to be cieheby the law of this country • bat there is a guss et remellerable dillieulty, and that relates to the evi iy thug by which you are to 'armed the charge. Then is ben • very serious didisuity. It is not sufficient that the Mimes should be armies' to all the world : pea mg Los and soilage is support of the particithe Mum as le ahnissibie is ear se is. Fee instance, a dined pedie satin lee bean thence* ddeolthout lima = tag, y, to ban bens issued it bad bees se, it would not be eatsto produce these deonments in a court of jostle% yes mum Wag he.. the eines to the individual. (Hear. boar.) Toe mast chew that the prealasatie• was issued by lie thuds. ; and you mum hailer show that those pro eimetiona were ined 'hen Lemi is consequence of gams ad gormittel is Zugland by the pones charged, an =ha Using et then (Beer, Um) Now. in et hie. Ist me refer to a timeliness, which has run* gagnind—within a few days._ A be declamation is and Is gout y. w la the dnr gt Milan, and out Lombard writhes le signed by Kossatt. '" it gee hag to the sonessa, of *et ilennese yes would infer that it us honed hem this anney ; est as Kossuth has raided he a assnenble too be this sentry. and is new a noidost ban, it might be supposed by peruses ease goWsitsd with our Ins thee hat wend be evidence to fix the act epos Kossuth. VIM coned est, however, to be the ease? Why that this desedier was written two or three peers ago, to the ?width bunion ; that it was seat by Kornai*, Modial, and handed ever by him to other people • that they ked altered seen perigee is it, and emittedm ho», and this reined it la the mu of Keenth. That would be no named dice Kam& had bees guilty et ea Ohne. New I and venial poems who are net sequined Ida the laws of oar draft —tersigame—that we love a law which I bellow is an seed upon in any of the other esustrise et Eurgi, whisk is, that where a party_ is duped with as =per wan islenipate kin. 'This is es blesible the INN) law; nod it the safety et ear soureign was at stoke. yes wend net ollieso eWedge that law. (Hear, bear.) Thad ad the Menthe OM wend Mow hn is say attempt Se lthminde dime et this dem* den sad I mender time digs as ea sides he the go numente in the roe brim nut begisg_bouspht sods pr. Ys diode& Whether Oen b onions odious to Is filf Midis things upon ray Unvidual in a court of Jade, 1 consul ssiortake to my; bat I think the governs ugh' to ire groat vigilante sad activity athmla erase.. Ili Sad te amid puled MAW of ends ellincee, and to =bin the coriniries et Oen is tones (Hear t ben) Wilk di itelimisiga to the noble lards upon., I thisk that is on imperative haM on the pmeendent he the time lidsf. V Hear, bear." hen the misigledel bushes) It lebessuie It appease to the .e era = k at diaesee has been theft then Mebane sot smother lumens vidiely isokunded. however that we an diertle ado of this kind, and view dui net with theploseent beletza be den olletiaded hen ispddire MIMI (" Mar, isms " hula all pare di beige.) not do your lordships but ::besousable des la As sentry feels, that not IS MIN IMMO Oft the aphis. which I have stn . (Hue, hem.) It le as sullnent, however, for a govern ment to rage a heeled eleisour warts ere open to you— obtain evis et a edges besisg ben comsaitesi—Uing it lose a mart_ albedo, sal Julies will be den. It is in • ime at this kink Mine ensign dotes are genewned, that aa eases line bola senardred. not only aping those rates, bet oar ens present, and it is the duty of gut mason le tea the idtiative. (Hew bear) My kith, I have thought it my they hi dike dire law observation as preliminary to the quids. whisk I ad = to oak, and which is one of great impertanse, fa a deep &west is felt. I with to ask the sone out whether wig ossmanigatisa hes besieges the ge wiendast or Ihis iegisisy and tho et Asada, =thee Ihropeen rare, upset to the asylum to herrn reties is this country ; end as to the ails ormitted in this soustry by the prong to whom I ban refereed. (Hen, bier.) The Heal of ABIRDIZN—Is newer to the queries Is i t=t i e sad leaded hind, I have testate that seam e bee Wham pines as to hedge semen, end so dedesil les bass soak by the govegessat et Aided se art Mbar slate be *mom cs the subject. I tinny silinit4 Ne rlit my sable and rimed Mend, that a oftener one et essilemaeit io t gadl. britasisa ban pre and thee , ea Ible o net say el ne, bat in saw par pent ts of Invite. rth I mast gay, net wi Tisa ly on the part ettbe runnel, of Hann, but the feeling is imply aired do }eagle. My to me, I must confess thee. on ✓ude& se they de, dread arena= and sangsbery ads, Otrleut esearresee, with the medium of these retyped in dislidaaloy,the holing is gelbsysast thus. Ma, as they do very unrwandarl i rtrh a t e t lalasst le tiding Ws rissatry. I liege, however, that excitement 'dß soon be whined nod suppe My lords, I think it is right to We 11011 II is sails inte ntion or her Majesty's g sat to any now law for the adoption of parliament as (hese, hear) ; and it is on our intention he ads inissa, booms, we hop, sad Wien that the law of thhesuatg is estioint to nano us le discharge thin der. tied* oar hiselb and _seighboulbei_ dere to whit& we see band by_the ithenadesid - iagA If irked it were 9811. liable that the law it this arenley dinned us hem pi s! homing them duties at possiseset etilessiesi he. K BAP be sesommy le emend the subject ; bat, as I trust—end in this esWw I ban ben isafirmed by my noble and 14•1111111 d—that this is not the case—l trust we shall be able to meet all that foreign powers have a right to require, without having re course to any extraordinary =WM. (Hear, hoar.) If it could he supposed possible that the government of this country, or the people of this country had any connivance with, or were even indifferent to, the perpetration of theists to which my noble and learned friend has alluded, then, Indeed, a great 'r degrzi. of hostility would be justified thin: any which has been shown. Meer, hear.) I speak not mly of that atrocious attempt on the life of an illustrious prince, the hope of his country, and wltose danger has re vived all that ancient loyalty and devoted attar sent which se lam has been in the possession of his family ; is;:! I slide she to the recent outbreak at Milan, where a few THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 5, 1853. Society, WoridagenaModiewase blifehrldrere, mid 'Cadbury r#f tie 'overstress% cue, namely, the right of self-govern- Isstitution ; playlets for a supply of. mint as vested in the colonists, and he found that this Oct).* rinNY POSTAOI.—By Mr. U. VIVIAN,.frem principle was violated in the second clause of the .tie isbabitasts eiTraro, is favour of. bid. The sewed clause declared that it should not Tans FACTOIe Acr.—By Lord GODERICH, from the be lawful for the parliament in Canada to vie ' inhebitants of Hyde, in the meaty of 'Cheats, for the late the rights of individuals. He had heard of straining L amendment of. at a gnat and swallowing a camel, and here was a can Atroterm GAter.—By Lard C. HAMILTON, from in which the plunder of the church was coolly determined r, 'ivied by 467 inhabitants; Mr. EOBBOLD, from es, while a fastidious care was shown for the 'atoneable Great Beatings. Little Beatings, and Playford, Suffolk ; stipends of individuals. In his mind th is was a gross per ils'. KINNAIRD, from free eburth congr egation at version of the sense of justice. (Hear, hear.) But for the Ardeonaig, Breadalbuie, county Perth • Lord STAF- principle of self.government no cabinet had shown greater FORD, from the free 'Aunt% of Farr, county Sutherland; favour than that of Lord Derby, a principle which, bew ailed from the free church of Tongue, in the same county ; ever, bad bees repeatedly violated by the government gaud. of which the 'noble lord had been the head. He Soar Dereths.—By Mr. WICKHAM, has Bradford, had shows that the argument with !regard to self Yorkshire, for the repeal of. government did sot fair apply in the present ease— Fuselage Einceoas.—By Mr. G. DUFFY, from the as that must always be a sub y ject for imperial consideeation, aldermen, town councillors, burgesses, and ratepayers of sad that there were imperial considerations of the gravest the north city ward, in the city of Dublin, praying that the nature which interfered against the concession of the de electoral franchise bestowed upon a class of electors known mend of the colonial legislature, was equally true. He as " freemen," may be abolished. would now ask the house to turn its attention to the policy SCOTCH UNITIRSITY TlBlll.—By Sir J. ANDERSON, of the question; and the first point he would urge upon from the South United Presbyterian Church of Laugholm, the house, in connection with this part of the subject, was against, this—that if the protestant people of Upper Canada, instead ATTORNIER . Cerrineave Der x.—By Mr. BAINES, of being, as they had been, as loyal as any people under the from Leeds, for the repeal of. domioioa of the crows of Great Britain—(hear, hear) — Seamen' Comes BILL.—By Mr. A. HASTIE, from had forfeited their allegiance and annexed themselves to the the Chamber of Commerce, Glasgow, praying that the United States, this endowment would have bee& remested. Sheriff Courts Bill (Scotland), be referred to a select con (Opposition cheers.) This was, he thou a pus and mittee. serious consideration. (Hear, bear.) A %titan COUNTY COURTS.—By Mr. WEST, from the town and in his pamphlet stated two cams in the states of New York neighbourhood of Ruthin, for the extension of. and Vermont, in which endowments made before the rove liarntlieNTATlON Or Till LONDON CNIVIZIIITT.—By lutiOn were respected by the United States. He had coma Capt. SCOBELL, from Shut= Mullett, in favour of. municated with an American gentleman now in London THE WATERFORD ELECTION PETITION. (whose name he was prepared to mention privately to the Mr. W. 0. STANLEY reported that the select corn. noble lord or any other hon. member, and whose authority mittee en this petition had determined that John Esmonde, would be at once admitted), and asked him whether, in the Esq., was duly elected member for the county of Water- event of Canada being annexed to the United States, its ford, and that the committee had alteredthe poll by strikieg protestant endowments would be respected. The answer off three amnia. he received was, " You may rely upon it, that if Canada 7 HE AUSTRALIAN MAIL. were annexed to the United States, these endowments would (Opposition cheering,) Then be Sir DE L. EVANS wished to put to the Secretary of the _,, be , ed ri g . i , dl , g " % P eeled. " the United States legislature should seise Ticasury a question , of which he bad given him notice on ". the prOper,o,ty.p pose t. what, then, would be the result?" Supreme The re the previous day. It had been stated that many of the is the States legislature did so the letters in the mail bags of the Austrelia had been almost pl y was, wouldoverrule the seizure, and restore ' the property." destroyed by water ; and as numbers of persons interested Court wu were anxious to learn whether or not it was necossaiy to ! r o an t h e .) . . right hon. baronet then read a letter individual referred to, in which he gave his write again, he wished to know whether the hon. guide opinion in detail, to the same effect, and quoting a case in man could give any information for their guidance. point, that of Dartmouthi College, New Hampshire, in Mr. J. WILSON said he :had sent for the necessary in wt:i which was n it deeded th a t the charter gran to that insti ferantion, but he was sorry to say he had net yet received t on by the British crown, in 1769, was not dissolved by is. Perhaps the hon. gentleman would repeat his question the revolution, and that an act of the United States legisla in Monday. ture, varying the conditions of that charter, was void. He THE STRANGERS' GALLERY. would not stop to inquire whether the house did not see in Mr. MUNTZ gave notice that on the Bth of March he the agitation on the question the first fruits of the policy would move for a select committee to inquire whether or of nutting the two provinces, contrary to the opinions of not reporters and strangers generally might not without in- Pitt and of Burke, and more recently of the late Duke of convenience be allowed to remain in the house during diva - Wellington ; but ho would ask them to recollect the loyalty siege s except on special occasions. and devotion to the British crown, which had always Oa the motion of kit. Turret', the following return marked the conduct of the Upper Canadians—from the wee ordered :—Return of the number of loads of English pe riod when , after the rupture between the horn. govern. ask timber contracted for by the Admiralty in each year '— meet and the United States, they abandoned their hoes the let day of January, 1840, to the Ist day of Jana- homes to settle in that colony, in order to re lay, 1853, the price at which each load was contracted for, main under the dominion of England. (Hear, hear.) end the name of the parties with whom the &went contracts He would ask them to recollect how almost immediately were made. after they had risked their blood and their property in IMPROVEMENT OF SEWERAGE. aiding in the quelling of the rebellion of 1828 their wishes Mr. BUTLER, in pursuance of notice, asked the Seen- and interests were disregarded. Their objections to the Wry of State for the Home Department whether it was the union were known—it was known that they regarded it es • intention of her Majesty's government to introduce any measure which would bind them at the feet o a majority measure for the appointment of local commissioners of which differed from them in laws, language, and religion. sewers by the ratepayers of the metropolis, and whether it This was the first blow that the loyal feelings of the Upper wee the intention of her Majesty's government to introduce Canadians received. The next was the Rebellion Lowe eaqq Measure for the purpose of enabling the present corn- Bill. Without inquiring into the policy which justified the rieMen of sewers to borrow money on the security of the Canadian parliament in passing that bill, or the home go- Mee ? vernment in assenting to'it, the noble lord could not but be Timpani PALMERSTON said the course which he aware that If ever there was a measure which wounded the the recommend the house to pursue upon that very im- feelings and shocked the loyalty of the loyal inhabitants of partial matter would depend very much upon the result of tae Upper Province, it was that. (Hear.) He should be ea undertaking which was pleased by a private company. slow to believe that the loyalty of any large portion of There was an association of capitalists, who had either thou inhabitants was shaken by that measure, but brought or intended to bring, into that house a bill to en- they knew that there were some who began then able them to construct two great arterial sewers under the for the first time to talk of "annexation.' (Hear, Isom "Wining at some distance above, and ending at bear.) Well, was it worth while for the noble ace Miaow below, London, one on each side of the lord again to wound the feelings of that loyal popula- Thames, which they intended to construct out of their own time and that, too, in their tenderest part ? Was it wise, funds as a commercial speculation. If that project shout% in utter disregard of the most solemn obligations and of na bs approved by parliament, and carried into execution, it tional faith, to assail the religion they loved and to deprive would obviously render unnecessary any loan by the Com- it of that support which the &menet legislature had so isissioners of Sewers for the purpose of constructing any tensely guaranteed ? He knew the answer which, though great general system ; and the decision with regard to it might not be expressed, was lurking in the minds of mt what he might gall the draining sewers would depend very ulster'. " Canada was strong," they would say, " and we mach upon thermal of this undertaking. cannot refuse her ; we did not mind refusing the demands THE MAILILYBOM LONDON TO DUBLIN. of New Brunswick sad Nova Scotia, but we have made Mr. It IFLENCIE *eked the Secretary to the Treasury Canada strong by uniting the two provinces, the majority Hag were In Wildemplation to shorten the of the united legislature demand this concession, and there .= 61 Iha Mae= of snails from London to Dub- fore it must be made." This he believed to be the real 11, mad i WlSSollffileffiells had been received from par- principle that was at work. Such was his view of the policy Ifine new e la thee duty ? l et of the act. (" Hear, hear," and " ob.") Let him now ?lit. J. W mil be was not aware that any cons- call attention to what would, in all probability, be the effect Mateleatioa bell Sae to the Treasury on the subject of the act. In the first place, he must do justice to the apestal coseleigiffildhon between Dublin and !Anion by efforts of the church of England in Canada. (Hear, hear.) Ma parties abeam had the contract, but there had been The efforts of that church depended not on a esmitunicaffiew mode by another steam packet company, this fund, which was distributed on the prin. ariticiaing the prommt arrangements, without making soy ciple of aiding its exertions. In the populated and more distinct proposities. The Postmaster-General was quite wealthy districts that principle held good, but in those parts alive to the antes sisable time now occupied in conveying which were only beginning to be reclaimed, where the ilieskaie, solitlister was under consideration.t population was scant and widely muttered, the preaching Mr. H. B=T gave notice that he should, on Mon. of the Gospel was necessarily left to missionaries, who day next, move he • copy of a letter dated the 31st of were entirely dependent on the fund which this bill would Januarys 1863, Orem the secretary of the City of Dublin place in danger . (Hear, hear.) In the lower province, items Pneket y to Sir C. Trevelyan relative to a too, where the church of England was poor, and surrounded = he Ile vement of postal itommunication by Roman catholicism in all its wealth, the =internam, of Our s° Lochs - gad üblin. the ministry mainly depended on these reserves. (Hear.) CONVOCA TION . With mud to the lower province, there were two grounds on whia he thought the Roman catholic Inhabitants there Lewd J. RUSSELL said—ln answering the question np u i d i was pot toms yester d ay by the riahaaa, gentleman moat be indisposed towards this bill. First, as Christians prolkeehog the SIM great general principles of Christianity *e member for Droitwich (Sir I. Pakingtos) , I have to a stare awl f as thelegleat brethren he could not believe that they, la i elate that the pion of eauvesedea is totally different ea they were with wealth, and having a name frees geseepalea of parliament. surrounded Is is the asst of t b e mobilo,► Mrs his the same effect as roue priesthood imply provided for, would desire to deprive an inionsnmws. ice I w o, dam is an sas h sana ,I believe, their fellow-Christians of the upper province of the compa es " milienswelelet" Mews le savesatiom ma the adjourn• ratively small provision which had been made for them. sea* bee deep ahem the Sore and ems of a prorogation. !it sheer thattood f lu: in t hi s w w er ay mi ta t : r the l hbeoel.chgentlilemeaunawdeifo gieswat% d eu l= s l i i s id t hi s lise i vary ( Vi a ra t a i, r t i cheered it coasidered it consistent with his duty to trust to Ms e t s seim i tt ,,,, t h, i s , aw n o f the good feeling and justice of the Roman esthetics for the : i t ias * moo b oo *mid seven', if act wa „, i es e swese e g protection of the protestant endowment. (Hear, bear.) ismemNs sa.. wedsog eve is the d e panassa d an . Bat they had no right to allow a motion so important to !lust_ d m iTiZ ie b e so d o d o es to the e t d o rest on such a foundation. They could not tell what ex be the mom hose et eoa i wee d citement, what party or religious influence, might arise, b add dog it i s ea n- i k s hawks of w e wi es t y , e go. and what might be the consequence. And it was the more iementent to take any measures as the sliest. necessary to guard against such influents@ when they had before them the fact that in some of the late divisions in the THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. Canadian Le re the question in favour of the bill was Mr. BRIGHT gave settee that ea Monday he would ask actua lly by the Roman catholic members. (No, whether it were true, as reported, that the goveratneut in- no.) - Yes, a reference to the papers would show loaded to bring in a bill for the permanent gornrument . of that on the first division the number of Ro byn*. before the committee en ludass affair bua sowsisussd man catholic. in the majo ri ty actually exceeded the Its inquiries. amount of the majority—and in a subsequent division ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE though the amber of Roman catholic* who voted for the Oa the raotioa of Mr. J. WILSON, It was agreed that the measure was not sufficient to form the majority, still their boss, at its rising, should adjourn to Monday next. votes tended materially to swell It. (Hear, bear.) The CLERGY RESERVES (CANADA) BILL. sewed ground why he did not believe the R oman catholic Oa the order of the day for the second reading of this iababileals la Cleasda were reedy to unction the bill was, bill, that if *ay AK it was possible their own endowments Sir J. PAKINGTON said he had sees petitions to pre- might lereefas he aseelled. (Hear, hear.) Looking at past mat egg the bill fres Canada. There were 65 petitions sillabilostr be would warn the house against sowing the Ibis byterian eassmiaties, with upwards of 8,000 Nide of Met Miens struggle which mast he feared be tand there cos else signed by the bishop and the swealt of this bill. The moment it pared, the hostility Z i rsit si T ameato, aid seadaer from about 6,000 of the la- would seumeam, and in all probability the sacrifice of the habitants. Roman eatkedie would follow that of the protestant endow- The were wawa le he laid oa the table. meat. Per the sake of religious peace, then, he hoped the dig i mud gra mma e patties dor bill he. hoes would net enema to the measure, but that they d o sow do the prowl,. if the in lents weabilsereed to the aal made to them in the petition Parte. The pelidesore dianigigig e a preseelad Hat evening by bishop. friend Sir R. Inglis from = d V ialativss 31. °I lig*" in ada , hrowspperrst.teorftigdrettt. n t foreign , pags d . May Woad to peaks whist the passim, of No Use Sinn amasses whisk wield deg** the protestant clergy in he (Sir J. Pakingtos) adopted it in its every word and in Omsk ef the podia villa they now mused by l aw , every pert of its aseudag. He had approached this subject grade iii cos made le ;stater. with the clergy of in no spirit but that of peace, and be would gladly commit the eland et the interests of this property to the colonial government, if The petition was laid en the table, some security were taken for its proper administration ; but si c j - , phigtweeroN thee Kee, in pursuance of t wic e , if the noble lord forced on this bill in its present form and t o mae that th e bill be reed a Neese time th a t d a y six abandoned the sacred trust created by the act of 1840, he meads. After some referees,' to the lag d e bate on th e (Bir J. Pakington) had no alternative but to resist it to the surest, be said—The broad pried le sow at issue utmost and denounce it as a most unrighteous ma mas, religions endowment or eeedirbatles. (Hear, sore. (Chests.) hear.) He would gladly abandon °prodder' If he Sir W. MOLESWORTH said he quite agreed with the saw an hope of obtaining any security for the former right lion. baronet in deprecating the making this question pried e, but, as according to the forms of the hens, the a party question; for the bill now before the house raised seeon reading was decisive of the character of a bill, be two vital questions—firstly, with regard to the foadsznen had no alternative bat to resist the present bill as it stood, tal principle of the colonial polls of the British govern end give his strenuous *prestige& to the second read- suet, whether all questions affecting the interests of the ing. (Hear.) The issue, which was a narrow one, colonies should be dealt with by local legislatures. In hie wee elinply this. He was prepared to contend that these (Sir W. Moleeworth's) opinion, that should be the axiom en endowments had been appropriated by successive govern- which the colonial policy of this country should be founded, laleats and bs a aimarive parliaments to the support of the and he believed that a strict adhereace to that principle protestant sae* in Canada—the worship of God in that would tend to the consolidation of our colonial possessions. esuatry, osooreite to the protestant form; that that asp- If that principle was a sound one, the next question was proprieties was abaft developed and confirmed by the act whether the rule should be applied to the greatest of the ef 1840, and tisk it was not within the power of govern- colonies of England with reference to the clergy reserves in seater parigesst to depart hen the arrangement of that Canada. The right hon. baronet did not appear to see the year, without lowish of tMeatiewel faith, and, he was sorry object of the bill, which was to enable the colonial legio n edd, _without the eaueshelea a aatioual sin. (Cheers.) lature to deal with the clergy reserves irrespective of the He believed the mile Led did not deny the solemnity of mode and manner of dealing with them. It was not a the gesteetese eat bed ben given but urged that con- question for that house whether or not the colonial legis sideretime ansostrolldeelf-government for the natureought to maintain or secularise the clergy etendee mor-rode any feeling as to the fitness reserves,—and the greater part of the speech of of the est sew eattempkted. That be believed was the the right hon. baronet was applied to tM mode wide% tithe eoveromat, end it should be his duty to and manner in which the colonial legislature if it poetised Seer that ea important as was this principle of self govern- the power ought to use it. The right hon. baronet bad meet, it did not apply to the case immediately before the admitted in his peech, and in his despatches, that the rule lean He now came to the real question, in which he (Sir W. Molesworth) bad laid down was sound, opening which it would not be necessary to go and also that the endowments in Canada were local in their at Magda iato the history of the matter. The nature, but he said that the clergy rewires wen exceptional Nava* leek plan Ia 1760, and in 1774 the first act and should be dealt with as if they were sot local. The iTs g mg, wrier which the rights of the Roman catholic right hon. baronet had assigned various reasons for this, p wen reserved, and at the same time it pleased but which might all be reduced to two, firstly, that the Clileat great similar rights to the protestant church. clergy reserves in Upper Canada was a protestant question, to rrangenteat lasted until 1791, when the 31 Geo. 111. and secondly that the act of 1840 was a final settlement of wee passed, by which in lien of tithes the reserves were that question. The right hoe . baronet bad asserted that approprated to the maintenance of the protestant church the clergy reserves was essentially an Upper Canada quc.- is Canada. The next set was that of 1827, allowing the re- tan, that the people of that province were nearly was to be said, and amine years after the Upper Province— equally divided upon it, and that the majority al ad be Unseasoned, this was an Upper Canadiaa question— of the legislature in Canada which carried a mos eneepted the arrangement as it stood at present, until the sure similar to the present bill was composed of Motile, of 1838 broke out, after which the de- Roman catholics, whose religion was munificently and ire of the government for the union of the amply endowed. The right hon. baronet laid great strew two provinces became known, and it was felt that on that point, but his statement was not altogether correct. it would be necessary to settle this question. In 1837 the The endowments were not strictly the property of the Canadian legislature paned an:act vesting the management Roman catholic clergy, or of the oman catholic church, of the reserves in the governmeat of this country, and in but were applicable chiefly to educational purposes and 1840 the act of the noble lord passed, but in none of them to the conversion of the Indians. They were obtained was there any attempt at secularisation. The property was chiefly by means of bequest and purchase, and the only divided for religious purposes between the churches of portion which was granted by the French crown was se- England and Scotland, and a small remainder was given cured to them by the treaty of Montreal ; but there was no to the government for secular purposes . For then reasons provision for them in the treaty of 1779, although they he opposed what he must consider a tyrannical abuse of were provided for in the Quebec Trust Act. The Roman power, namely the appropriation of these lends to any but catholic clergy were now supported by tithes and dues, but religious purposes. lie now turned to the strong point those tithes partook more of the character of to. tauter, untributleme Ise a• on. in Lower Ca- they were traded upon by political iturigi o nada paid tithes unless he was a Roman catholic, feeling upon the question only indicated' temporary o elo. -16 and if he sold hie land to a protestant the tithes were lost. In meat , and that the substantial sense of the people dO OO - .L" the Quebec' Trust Act it was provided that all religions was entirely opposed to the views and wi s h es o f these per I should be paid by tithes levied on those of their own per- sons. He could not conceive any higher authority o leo elusion. In Lower Canada such tithes had been paid, that of his hon. friend, on a questiou of personal tet' bat they never had been paid in Upper Canada, either by but he warned the house how they vas by the Un csn. ii i:' Roman catholbes or pretestauts, and the Roman catholics, toted organs of public opinion, for the vague reports 70°- who mesa numerous sect in Canada, never had tithes ap- veyed by passengers in their pas-age through a coun try, portioned to them, or any statutory provision for their (Hear, hear.) Amongst the many advantages of establis[i.. clergy. The colonial legislature, under the constitutional log free governments in our colonies was this, that when acts of 1751 and 1840, had the power to do away with tithes, our colonies were not endowed with that bles s i ng , it was and the legislature 'trona of the provinces had done so by often impossible for the best intentioned minister to as ee au act paned in 1825. There was, therefore, nothing to tale, by the use of the utmost diligence, the real sentiments-- show that the Roman catholic religion was amply and muni- of the people of the colonies. (Hear, hear.) But when ree ileently endowed, and the bill before the house only proposed suffrage was placed in their hands—wh en th ey were in to give the tame power to the colonial legislature to deal trusted with the privilege of representation , a n d t h e ete ; with protestant endowments as had been given by other cise of free discussion, it was a s a f e an d sound * enactments to deal with those of the Roman catholic', and principle of action to assume, that the delibera te therefore religious equality required that it should pass. exoreuion of those representatives was (Cheers.) It was a mistake of the right hon. baronet to evidence of the sense of the populati on ; and to ° say that the bill similar to this which passed the local plus shreds and rags of evidence, collected no doubt with legislature wee carried by a majority of Roman catholic'. the best intention, and perhaps with greet individual intel He found that the House of Assembly consisted of 84 mem- ligence, in competition with the deliberate opinion of th ou bete, of whom 64 were protestants and 30 Roman catholic', who were entrusted with the responsibility of lercisiatto se that there was a majority of protestants equivalent to an was to strike a deadly blow at the very principle of free absolute majority of 200 in the House of Commons. It was government. (Cheers.) He le keyed it would h ave b e therefore impossible that a measure could be carried which better never to have established free institutions in oar was opposed b the united numbers of the protestant colonies than, atter having established those instit u ti ons , to members,: and he found that on every division deny them the full and free exercise of those privilee", on the merits of the question as to whether or not the (Cheers.) Now what were the facts of the case bef ars Imperial parliament should give the local legislature them ? They had an address of the Assembly of Cameos, power to deal with those endowments there was a decided conjointly with an address of the Legislative Council, and majority. The right hon. baronet then went into an ana- that address but the echo of a previous assembly, praying lye's of the divisions which had taken place in the Canadian them to repeal the act of 1846, which imposed upon the legislature on several resolutions on this question in Sep- colonial legislature an absolute restraint of dealing with the tember last, all of which were carried by protestant majori- clergy reserves. (Hear, hear.) Her Majesty's governmeat ties.] He stated that one of them was carried by a majority accordingly proposed to the house to repeal that act, a e o of 77, which was equivalent to that which in that house his right hon. friend opposite proposed the rijectian had overthrown the government of Lord J. Russell, stud of the bill. His right hon. friend's proposition amounted equivalent also to that which overthrew the late govern- to this, that with regard to the vital question aunt, and by so doing, in his (Sir W. Moleswortk's) they should now bind down the people of Canada to a total opinion, saved our colonial empire in North America exclusion of all share and discretion in the distribution of —(cheers)—for he believed that if the right hon. gentleman these reserves, when in 1791, sixty-two years ago, when the had proceeded in the course he had taken, that color.ial colonies were weak and feeble, and in the beginning of their empire would soon have crumbled into dust. (Hear, hear.) institutions, their forefathers, wiser than they were, ewe. When he heard the right hon. gentleman in December mitted to the people of Canada the power of legislating on last state that it was not the intention of the ministry to these reserves, though subject to the control of the imperi l ,' comply with the request of the Canadians, and that they parliament; and was it to be expected that a principle would not permit their legislature to deal with the clergy which was granted to a few scattered villages in 1791 wee reserves, be could not bat recal a painful vision of the past. not to be granted to cities which counted their scores of He remembered that in 1833 a nobleman of high rank and thousands, and a country which had two millions of inbabi. distinguished eloquence was raised to the position of Secretary tants, in the midst of the 19th century? (Hear, hew.) of State for the Colonies, and that, being a young and impru- But it was apprehended that the power, if given, would be dent man, he had presumed to address the Assembly of misused, as we thought. Now the ground on which this I Canada in language which they denounced as ill-advised, bill was recommended was this, that they had no right to eimies, unconstitutional, and insolent. He could not but base their judgment of this measure upon the opinion remember that that language embittered a contest which—which the people of Canada might happen to entertain oe ended in a rebellion which cost this country that point. The question was not as to the use that might millioas upon millions; and he thought that noble- be made of the clergy reserves, but as to the hand, in which, man, though twenty years had passed over his of right, the dispcsol of them ought to be placed. (Hear.) head, appeared not to have moderated his resentment, but Was this then • local question or was it not, for upon thee was bent on renewing a contest with • much more power- the vote of the Hou t se ho o d f ., C cia cim io m n e o n; wmhuicsht oughtturn. fed assembly. (Cheers.) The system of clergy reserve If it could be shown that this measure belonged to the caw ing first founded in 1774, and the Quebec Trust gory of subjects of imperial interest—which involved in. to (11 1 I t) Am was the first statute which provided on the penal considerations, of religious equality that every clergyman should tamed in their own hands, then ho granted that the bill id supported by tithes derived from those of his own per- ought to be rejected. But what—proof he would no t say-- ellathen. At that period the majority of the Canadians but what shadow of argument had been used to show that 1114111 Roman catholic', the protestants being few, and this measure ought to be taken nut of the category of local metered, and unwilling to pay tithes. In 1791 the govern- questions ? (Hear, hear) The right honourable gentle =lent thought it wise that • provision should be made for man (Sir J. Pakington) said that the bill did not satisfy the the 'clergy, similar to that in Pennsylvania; and an act principle of self-governmenobecause it provided tor the vested was passed in that year providing that from every Mott —interests of the present incumbents. (Hear.) The right ment of land • certain part should be refereed for the pro- hon. gentleman was totally mistaken in that respect. The tenant clergy, and the legislature of Canada was empowered bill, it is true, did provide for the vested interests of the to vary the allotments and to abolish tithes. By that act present incumbents ; but in so doing it only fulfilled the one-eighth of the land of Canada, which was not appro- prayer of the petition of the Canadian parliament, which priated before 1791, ought to have been reserved for the said that the moat liberal mode of settling this question was, support of the protestant clergy. But it appeared from Lord to provide for the present holders whether they were of the Durham's report that in fact more than one-fifth was so church of Englond, or the church of Scotland, or other de. reserved in Lower Canada, and one-seventh in Upper nominations. (Hear, hear.) Ile admitted that the public Canada. That was a manifest violation of the law, and the faith was pledged to the maintenance ut the rights of there appropriation in Lower Canada exceeded the proper persons, and he for one would have resisted any preposition amount by 277,000 acres, and in Upper Canada by 300,000 for departiag from the public faith io pledged. (Rear.) acres ; the money value of which was 120,0001. in Lower The right hon. gentleman had not in his speech inuicatol Canada, and 160,0001. in Upper Canada. Those clergy re- the true standing of the question at the present moment. serves bad produced very great economical evils ; for the He said that the object of the act now proposed to be re line of land were scattered and uncultivated. The Canada pealed was, to maintain the provision for the support of the committee had stated in very strong terms the economical protestant religion. Now, many persons had come dux evils which had been caused by this appropriation, which to that house on a late occasion, for the purpose of voti ng they described as " • reserved wilderness, which had done agsinst the grant to Maynooth, which they con much to retard the progress of the colony." That showed sidered to be incompatable with their conscientioss that the statement of the right hon. baronet was incorrect. opinions. He was sorry to be obliged to disturb that It was true that, before the re-union of the Canada', the repose which nature seemed to require—(loud laughter question of clergy reserves did not cause so much excite- followed this allusion • the right hon. gentleman's remark meat in Lower as in Upper Canada, for the minds having reference to M r. Spooner, who seemed to be in a of the inhabitants of the former were distracted somnolent condition) ;—but the hon. member for North by other questions; but since the reunion, Lower Canada Warwickshire, who was certainly prepared on this occasion had united with the Upper Province in demanding the to give a conscientious vote, should understand what vie repeal of the clergy reserves. But admitting that this was the real nature and effect of the act of 1840, the repeal of purely an Upper Canada question was not that sufficient, which was now in question. He would examine the state and ought it not to be settled ac cording to their wishes ? ment, that that act was made for the maintenance of the The right hon. baronet was mistaken when he asserted that protestant religion. It was perfectly true, that the act of the represeatatives of Upper Canada were equally divided 1791 was in strictness meant for Vie maintenance of the on this question. The right hon. gentleman had con- protestant religion. What was the real meaning of the founded two questions which were brought before the cola- word protconnt ; it was a vexed question; and it was die nial legislature last autumn, one of which was a party puted whether it was meant to be confined to the church of question, and the other the real questiou. It was true that England alone, or to that and the established church of on the party question the representatives of Upper Scotland, or whether, lastly—and he himself inclined to this Canada were nearly divided, but in all the divi- last opinion—it was intended to include the clergy of otha aions on the real question, whether the local le- protestant denominations. lie believed that this was the gigabit* ought to be empowered to deal with the view of Mr. Pitt and Mr. Grenville, in passing the actof clergy reserves, there was a decided majority of all the re- 1791. But, at all events, the object and purport of the act presentative' of Upper Canada. But the right hon. baronet of 1791, was the maintenance of the protestant religice. said that the constituencies which were represented by the .But the act of 1840 made a fundamental change is the members for Upper Canada who voted against the resolu- respect, and he believed the word protestant was altogether Von were the largest. That was a good radical argument, dropped in that act. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the which he had hardly expected from the represent.tive of great bulk of the clergy reserves, they were divided in sit the infinitessimal constituency of Droitwich. It might beta parts. Two went to the clergy of the church of Engiand, sound argument, bat the facts on which it rested were not one to the clergy of the church of Scotland, and the other correct. He (Sir W. Molesworth) found that the three were appropriated to the purpose of religious worship population represented by the members for Upper Canada and instruction. The bill of 1840 proceeded on the prin. who voted for the resolution of Mr. Hinekes was 474,000, ciple of equality, though not an exact measure of equality, whilst the number represented by those who voted against with regard to the disposal of the clergy reserves. Ricoh it was 340,000, making a majority of 134,000 in favour of a lest that the act of 1840 gave the power of disposing of the bill similar to that which was now before the house. Then funds for religious instruction and worship, without say as regarded the eastern townships, the population which was distinction as to protestant or Roman catholic, and if thee represented by the six members for those townships who hon. member for North Warwickshire took the pains of voted for the resolution was 77,00 C, while the population of examining the returns before the house, he would see that the township represented by the one member who voted considerable sums were given out of the reserve funds fee against it was only 16,000. [Sir J. Pakington here made the purpose of Roman catholic worship and instruction — some observation across the table.] There was no other more than was given to all the other protestant test of the opinion of a population but the votes of their denominations put together, with the exception. of the representatives in parliament. Another point of the right church of England and the church of Scotland. (Hip, hon. baronet was, that after a long period of agitation hear.) This was certainly a strange mode of sustaining the colonial legislature had carried a bill for and supporting the protestant religion. (Hear hear.) the settlement of the question of eleigy reserves, How could they say then that this was a fund set :part by but there was a legal objection which prevented its re- the piety of their forefathers for the support of the pro ceivingthe assent of the Crown ; and therefore the Ina- testant religion, and that they ought not to touch it ? They perial Parliament passed • similar bill in 1840, which was had touched it, and touched it under the act of 1840, which wseepted in Canada, as well as in this country, as a final the right hon. gentleman asked the house to sustain. settlement of the question. He (Sir W. Molesworth)' denied (Hear hear.) He begged of the hon. gentleman (Mr. that the principle of the bill of 1840 was similar Spooner) to bear this in mind when he was going to give to that which was accepted in Upper Canada. has vote. (Hear, bear.) The right hon. gentleman in the The right hon. gentleman after summing up the history of course of his speech read • most interesting letter Irons the question, came to the act of 1840, which proceeded, geatleman whom he described as of the greatest intelli not on the principle of religioas equality, but on the prin- genre, is which it was stated that if these reserves instead ciple of favouring the church of England and the church of of being under the protection of the British parliament were Scotland. [The right hon. baronet described in detail the placed under the government of the United States, they provisions of the bill of 1840.] Proceeding on that could not be touched by the legillature, be- principle the bill of 1840 was consequently in direct cause they would then be under the protection violation of the constitutional act of 1791, which repudiated of the supreme court of the United States, and all distinctions. It was also opposed to the bill passed in that authority would overrate the authority of the 1848 by the Canadian legislature, which was based on the state legislature. He (thp Chancellor of the Excbequer) principle of religious equality. And between whom and could not but greatly respect and admire the foresight of what interests was the bill of the imperial parliament) of those American statesmen who inserted in their constitte 1840 a compromise? Not between Canadians and Cana- tion such • wise prevision for the maintenance of public dim Interests, but between conflicting parties in England, credit ; and he could not but admire and respect also the whose interests in the question were remote and indirect, self-control and self-command of the people of thou steel and who had no fight whatever to resist Canadian which made them execute those wise provisions -(hear, wishes. (Hear, hear.) It was a basis of legislation in hear)—and it would be well for the British colonies if, who this country that the legislature was Dot entitled to ther, whilst they continued to be united to England, or interfere with the religions belief of any sections of the after the natural term of their independence had so people; and a fortiori the legislature of this country was rived, they wero equally strict, and rigid, and not entitled to interfere with the religious belief of colonial punctilious in their observance of public faith. (Cheers.) subjects of the crown for the purpose of sustaining one form But let them not strain the case of their example. Did the against other forms of Christianity. (Cheers.) All tines. right hon. gentleman suppose that there was no analogous tions therefore, affecting religions belief as connected with case in the United States 2—Was he aware that in Muu• religions endowments in the colonies wore purely and charade there was a law which provided endowments for re strictly local questions, and not at all imperial questions. ligious establishments, but with a free choice to every mss (Hear, hear.) With respect to the alleged injury that was to which of them he should contribute ? But that law bad to be done to the church of England, he differed entirely been swept away. Before the war of independence the from the right honourable gentleman. He should clergy of Virginia were endowed much in the same manner be sorry to support any measure that would, as the clergy of this country, but instead of being endowed in his judgment, be really injurious to the church with so much wheat, they received contributionsof so mach of Ragland, for individually he preferred the doctrine of tobacco, and a very handsome maintenance it produced: the church of England to that of any other denomination. but that law had also been swept away, thus showing the In this cue he believed the church would benefit by being in America a distinction was drawn between en' relieved from • false position, in which she was exposed to dowmente which were made by grantees and thou great unpopularity, suspicion, and aversion in the colony. which were created by the acts of the legislature. The Ogle (Hear, hear .) He had now, he hoped, answered all the ar- hon. gentleman was one who was the least favourably situ guntenU of the right hon. gentleman ; and, in conclusion, ated to carry on an opposition to this bill. If there woo/ he had only to say that the question before the House of one who bad made the maintenance of the present law ire Commune wee this—the question whether the principle of possible it was the right hon. gentleman. It was important their colonial policy was to be to leave local matters to local that the house should see the ground on which he proceeded decision ; and he was convinced that, if the House of Com- when, in April last, he rejected the petition of the Canadian mans answered in the was in which he believed it would legislature. The right hon. gentleman said that his words be just to answer—by readieg this bill a second time—they were words of peace, but it was the habit of the colonist s! would do that which was adthlated to render strong and look beyond words, and to look to deeds, and if those deeds permanent the colonial empire of Great Britain. (Cheers.) were at variance with the principles of colonial freedom, Lord J. MANNERS criticised the arguments of Sir his soft and fair words would be of little ode! William Molesworth, and protested against the measure What was the ground which the right honourebi,e as mundane' an act of injustice; as clangorous in its policy ; gentleman took ? There was only one placeshe and especially as tending to revive religious diesentions in ground on which he could take his stand. The rightibeoe: this country, by assorting a principle which, as a matter of gentleman had quoted the doctrine of contract, and po' tro justice, must involve the abolition of the grant to Maynooth. to the maintenance of that doctrine in America, but sass Mr. H. VERNON supported the bill. he the person to quote that doctrine, when he it was who Mr. LIDDELL described the measure as neither wise, said that it was in the power of the legislature of this Couto ust, nor politic. t ryi to Mr. ADDERLEY defended the principle of colonial trbute step in and fro= d it e t al me m with tim th e o r Tenhdeoewignhietethsettan. dgereed:o; j self-government as supported by the bill ; and alluding to man was not speaking of a national endowment whoop, MOO of the arguments urged by Sir John Pakington on said that the government of which he was a wo* W other side, admitted that a distinct breach of faith and thought it desirable, looking to the changes whic h Wert violation of a principle were involved in the question— constantly taking p lace in the population of the Canadian bet these would be caused by rejecting or retarding the mea- provinces,sthat the distribution of those endowments ought sere, and not by passing it ; and Sir John, after ten month* from timff to time to be taken into consideration, and set of office, ought to be aware of the fact. On the ground of such proposal the government was willing to entertain. veL the impossibility of leaving the question in its present state, those the words of peace, when Canada was *eking to be and for the honour, utility, and welfare of the church eats. allowed to have the disposition of the reserved lands' for beishment, he supported the second reading of the bill. Mr. A. MILLS, while agreeing generally to the principle e c n r e t a t a ry and o f thatS ta°toot elself-government, considered that there were certain cases tion, but that they (the Canadians) d th e e wm Se Sta te to ey s a mighty that a t h e those subjected were not the persons! in which that privilege should be restricted, and that the be entrusted with it, and that it would be for the gote,O . sent was one of them ; and in this respect there was an mint at home to perform that duty! A more distinct vio la - Inconsistency in the bill. tion of the first principle of colonial freedom there nett! The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was. (Hear, bear.) No one could urge against this btu understood the hon. gentleman who had just sat down to the ground that the question with which i: dealt was fill say that he rue to address the house for the purpose of bear- disposed of, and, as to the ground of public (Otto it stra.' ing his testimony to the sentiments of the people of Canada the right hon. gentleman that that argument must be lcu . on this important question—and he proceeded to inform the The maintenance and extension of religious instruction Ou. house that topics of this kind were agitated in Canada not public faith, but a policy. If any question of pub for th e purpose of forming political capital that faith was involved it was in the maintenance of the Foe' refidzisedtribm; I desperate sun stacked end vette death isolated individuals --mounts end others. (Hear, beer.) These men may call themselves patriots, but thee are merely emaseine in 11010. (Hear, hear.) Any power, each as le suppesied to It gee mart' for the government of this eoaattr to possess wi th regard to foreign refugees would be injurious to the tranquility and peace et the country ; and if such a law In that to which I have alluded should exist, it nest either be es the 'supposition that a detention would ho exereised. and as intone instituted in away caw, before the law was carried into effect ; end this would naturally lead to differences of opinion between foreign states and ourselves as to the amount ef proof required ; or, on the other bond, there must be a general acquiescence in all the demands which Might be made upon ns ; sad that would be a state of de vadation which it would be impossible to submit Is. ear, hear.) When foreign powers 're persuaded ass only that the government, but the people of this land, Ann no sympathy with any inch abominable attempts ea MUM to which my noble and learned friend has alluded—(hear, hear) —they will be disposed to trust to the good faith, the sincerity and honesty, of her Majesty's government to mat that law into effect which we consider to be sufficient for the purpose. (Hear, hear.) My noble and learned friend has said that it was the duty of the government to take the initiative in such proceedings, and to institute prosecutions. Now I have the satisfaction of informing him that the government have already come to • decision that, in case of any such events occurring as to give just ground for complaint, they will not throw it on the foreign minister to institute such proceedings; but when a ease is made out sufficient to justify proper and lend pro ceedings against any party so implicated, her Majesty's go vernment will take it upon themselves to carry on such pre emie n ; and foreign governments have already been in formed of this resolution. (Hear, hen.) I don't know that I need add anything more ; lamenting, as we all must do, the existence of any cause which should produce any alienation of good feeling on the part of powers with whom we have been intimately connected, I do trust that the as surances which the government have given, and which we shall be prepared to tarry out, will be sufficient to subdue all apprehension and alarm. (Cheers.) Lord BROUGHAM said that with a view to the peace of Ibis country and her allies, he must say that he fully erseensrred in the interpretation of the law by his noble and learned friend—the highest legal authority in that house— and he was sure that no one in Westminster Hall enter tained a doubt upon the subject. (lieu, hear.) The law of this country was amply sufficient, as it at present stood, to visit with severe punishment not only the eonspi racies described by his noble and learned friend, but WSW 1 attempts against the magistrates. rulers, sad sovereign' of foreign nations—he meant the offence of libel against theme eovereigas—which was punishable by the law of this country as if it were en offence against the sovereign of Ude country, for it was an offence against the municipal law of England. Conspiracy might be prosecuted here, although the place to which it bore reference was • foreign comae/, the offence of conspiracy having beets committed is England. Lord TRURO said that the difficulty in the present OM was not in the state of the law, but in the difficulty effs. curing evidence to sustain the application of the law. (Ileac . hear.) There was not the least necessity, therefore, for pairing • new law when the difficulty to be met was wholly independent of the law. A new law would not give greater facilities for prosecution, for a new law would not maid them in obtaining the information and evidence, which was what they wanted to sustain • prosecution under the exist. ins law. He quite concurred in what his noble and learned friend had said as to the duty of the British government. The LJRD CHANCELLOR said he did set else ter the purpose of prolonging the debate, lustiest it might Ile Indemed troth his silence that he in the slightest owes disisSl from what had been stated by his noble and learned fries& , H concurred with them in believing that the goventmest ' would act as absurdly, as wickedly, M pawing • sew law when the existing law was ample 1101111(t to ill what the law was ever likely to be called en to de. The difficulty was not in the administration of the law, but to find the objects against which to administer it. No such objet's ex fisted. How could it be that large bodies of men were associated is this country without a knowledge of our laws, for un lawful purposes, and were yet able to evade the detective eyes of the police for two years together? How did it hap pen that the government of Austria, that no foreign go verunment was able to detect these assoeiations ? the truth was that nine-tenths of the conspiracies which were said to be concocted in London were framed elsewhere, and only said to be formed here for the purpose of deceiving foreign governments. (thee, hear.) No efforts mild de tect that which did not exist. The law as it at present int& was amply sufficient as was proved in the ems er Peiteir, and in the case of prosecution for libel ambit till Emperor Paul. Both Lord Ellenborough and Feed Kew yen n doubted in these cases that the law wee sellsket to give satisfaction to foreign governments. Awl if this was the ease with regard to mere libels. • milk) fortiori was it the case where money wee subscribed and proclamations issued:against foreign governments? (Hear.) The law was not 'Meltable to refugees merely, bat to na tive subjects. And for this reason that the parties were not prosecuted, merely for insulting foreign sovereigns, but bedtime such procredings were calculated to excite hostility, and to lead to a breach of peace between We and foreign governments. (Hear, bear .) It was most correctly ob *creed, therefore, th at such prosecutions should be con ducted, not by foreign governments which were only inci dentally concerned, but by the monument of this country. He agreed in this with his noble and learned (naiads, and in nothing more than in the disgust and horror expressed by them at the outrages committed in foreign countries by per sons seppoesd, but, erroneously supposed, to be emissaries from this country. (Hear, hear.) Lord MONTBABLB,11: rising to present a petition from lanai of Bombay as the subject of the go vernment of said that the petition was signed bytwenty-feer herbed persons, and he understood that the sepatares es ow Meet of the petition were those of peewee who pueetesd Mums 2,000,0001. sad 3,000,000/. TM pada woe ant papered at the load ratios of Euro pium or mate pima, mine in India. It was the egentatona ad of the maim tlMmeelves, and was the b ait eta public suedes held at the Elphinstose Isetitattian ht Oderatta. At the ene the last Charter wee dissemed. Ile empiekta of eeinmercial nass who Mira to Ma the I Was albs Zia evened to then were lamed ik and he Vela NW their bribips would be equally reedy to lists Or the eepeakededeoe of the nation of India. whine rights, Whom Idler ea when haw were lashed in the *Wm that aright he arrived at with raga to the now inter tar the meat of India. (Hoar, bear.) The /led aADISItDZEN said that nops tire au do gwood be sae serious attention of their Is l ipe. (Hear, Mu) The able as would eta Ws the. to refer ID dhow nottms is the petition wWh it wee pail& might be eagle& try the mown tbe govnt goi to in- flame br tha t Mare goseenmese India eel the We bite ellemnest bed lean beard with great usisfec lien hi their beeidpe, the pow place for the conidera • line a Ibm paten was ihe amattso of which the nab Mil won e umber; and be head that be would peer its moildsooka Wks that eesu il with as much offset es he lad new pleated it on the Mee. It appeared to him that the greater portion of the mil‘oct matter of the peti tion ward wen OW kr the gesideendes of the govern ment et lab them fir the legbiwien et that Mose. But ena Wags as nal ',Mealy engem the mention of the lighlasso ought SS butt vs be - Wireeileal He pre the alb Ina would moue that the yitibra be re bend to the amidetaliso et to sessile. To that, of esunete had no eld= o or It woe hie desire that it b. Duke of e rtYLL sold the noble lord pienteagle) led amerved that it L...ate may ea to bring a abject NO Me lam Bar Mose, hy petition, without booksgale:os by a member of that Leese. While tla Rigby be taut say it was equally Oa right sal et my amber of parliament le make zemane apes the is,.. of that petition what be I think salary W lake at the merest. This me Inaba barna of the Isseaveniimse et/ tram awl- Wry sod easeekoal dismiss, is their book abusereapreeeed *minis oat pelak wittier* *see IMber on he the skew to be fop=*Ng dbeemeed. On K I over Se psWsa le Ali by front ano, observed may Wags old& Memel Se awl =dem onsidenden ed par limes% As*l wilsktp spookied the Mil MIAMI et may esteem Ikea (11114kero. 'Most saany mat Ask ski splevemeersee k Oft }edam, whisk Ask briltedpe soil be Se soli or which st Welk hem goesemeent woolibe isond to tow dike solook jk whoa eke petitimes spoke of the = as a ellim e rb oo leyz a bbol expr ts is t m e as= la ras tr aussa ge- IMMIIIIIIPOI whisk be Illeoght se beau d peitlament and so =wed/ la aimed le man as Be (the noble hol l enimewei hit 'flats that It might be • matter of seise dayour, esoddseler the meow of agitation that peer sew and the esenewhatpun lbentless sbaresser of the is kw s of gekeireeet should be bold op t any the con w d h d ale erable pooled of due as the sub jai of Notion. That was his sole abet is adverting to me alba and not any desire Is depresiale the impertanee of be pada ;he te kar a t: peeper yes worthy of etos, se to e were not deserving of sedges Attalla& (lber aN s i M a S d The petition we then ordered be le sedated to the select committee on Indian affairs. Their lordahips adjourned at twenty saiontas pest sae& HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, l'ettacs 4. The Brakaaa took the chair at the awl hoar. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. ADMISSION 07 Jews TO PARLIAMENT.-By Mr. BOOKER, from the parishes of Little March, Trillre, and Mithsekkarch, and Holmej Lacy, Herefordshire, and the town of Sydney, Gloucestershire; Mr. NEWDEGATE, from places in Birmingham, Suffolk, Norfolk, Bucks, Berk*, Huntingdonshire, Warwickshire, Dorsetskire, and Cornwall; Mr. ISUNDY, from places in the county of I Derby ; Lord HOTHAM, from a plan in York; Lord WORCESTER, from Eastington, in Gloucestenhire ; Mr. COBBOLD, from Alresford, Essex, end from a place In Suffolk; against. Oraxiwo Or THE CRYSTAL PALACE ON SL/NDATS.-By Mr. H. RUSSELL, from the archdeaconry of Bedford ; Mr. DEEDES, from Sheerness; Mr. MUNDY, from the county of Derby; Mr. H. VIVIAN, from the working men of the borough of Llyboe ; against. PARLIAMENTARY PArIIRS.-BT Colonel K. TYNTE, from the Bridgewater Scientific Literary Institution ; Mr. TUFNELL, from Sudbury Literary Institution, Sleaford Public Library, Cork Castle Mutual Improvement Society, arcs: Tantworth and South 'lowa Institute, Greenwich