The Express. — London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 20, 1852. oduetiesehisab-110111 bow heard that there were forme f o e width blifll6lllll6 Algiers were ready to bid the so 3 ,. rata tena nt was about to quit, and tot ake the load at the aam, R ota. We shall have corrections and disavowals, to w hat weary discussing will be discussed elsewhere. (Bear, hear.) I say this, that Litho Duke of Richmond be. hi. lead on these terms, awl on • tenant leaving, has half a Jests& farmers relay and willing to take it, be would be eery incapable of managing his own affairs if be deter mined to reduce the rent of that farm. (" Rear, bear," sad cries el t• Questiou.") Nothing could be better tor the mus e of free-trade, than that we should have the question k illed by the people of the country. I my we ought to bare their decision appealed to as soon as possible. I am sot an.: of yen mining up other questions with the one to be sleet a d by the lwoplr, the interest of the country is is the e iglit, and all I Ask is that you will give the people the op ',serenity of militia to that decision. (Loud cheer.) • )Jr. aftl,ES (afor rehte...ing Mr. Cobden for some obser vat..l.so Lc had mal es upon the state of the Duke of Rich. rty, pite the amurances of Lord March, and more gentlemanly conduct on Mr. Cohdeo's par• t' .1. elated that his piety hat no fear of • diesolution, but acted that tbc opposition had no right to dictate ts the unaistry whets they should advise the dis solution. which Lord Johu Itumall had said was 13111. Lord Derby Lad spoken plaiuly enough, an▪ d bed said that, walese protection as recoin- M ended by • large majority of the new parliament, he would have recourse to ether measures. lie denied that the efottetioe illyi!AtiClt had prep sled improvement, and point..l trlump!.antl) to what he described as the failure mr .m,, hi aid hi, loch terming. Ile urged the pawing et the istimat. • .sod Other necessary measures, after which he thought. should • dissolution not take place, the opp s . a nise would h juoitie.l in planner forth its strength. yle c.tlain ELL said that there was never on occasion when calmness and deliberation were more required, for the Mews was called on to settle a question on which the hareems, of a tree people depended. lie contended, on the authority of Sir Robert Peel, that the duty of a go. eminen t wi.ich biand itself in a minority was either to m ega se to dimulve as earl as public exigencies would permit. and reminded the house of the temptation • mattury course held out to parliament to tamper, soomaitahostally, with the prerogative of the crown. It soy the part o: the .ipponents of such a pulley to do the duty there 15i . P . sent there to discharge, but not factiously ',lien, they had to guard against the straits of tie pr.s.ctionots to take by sap what they danol not false Let ...e lie rot. r... 1 into stonties to show the e: t e •trask policy, which had in tea years raised tr half as much again as it was b. tor.. an!. rel.:as . ..tor this system with the Ameri ca, tacit( with a protection of 20 or 30 per • 11.0% pornounced unsatisfactory in the Stater, os i er ,' whet .sr it were really upon American principles that govenim. at proposed to legielate t Let us, be urgeJ, pro s, et Ilritob a dustry, but let us do it by adherence to the sym.m e 1 1,. to. oh eh had already worked so admirably, w h mole the fon .gner pay, which diminished the bur den. es the people, and which did not injure the exchequer. 'I he sy.t. in %twit had been the Utopia of Adana Smith had ten th.- accomplohno IA of Sir Hubert Peel. Ile con .l by e. :amino.: that if the Commons of England did a..: .I, ore those gr.at ondu reversed, it was their duty to cal. m. ti.. maisstry to captain their intentions, and to else for play to the country. If the hoses did nut do this, ta hi. 0140100 they w.titld 'betray their duty to the consti tution. Mr. CATLEY denied that protectionist policy was fairly Fermented by its ipp on. nn, its object hay been Neely demnhed a.. that sit abridging the food of ing the people. Tki• was not sa, but the protectionists bad always , erinsidered employment, rather than food, the primary *bp et to he kept in view fur the benefit of the people. Re beni..l that the prosperity spoken of had been the malt of free trade, or that at the present time it really eaten bet he said that he had never been an advocate foe ".. to m'o as tion it lormerly existed; holding, i ndeed, ar et every ether warts of relief should be first exhausted. The opp.oition was angry that the government would not be dragged tit', an advocac of protection, so that the free traders might have a decent quarrel with them on the homing.. But he did not think • more espliett declaration ought to be required of Lord Derby's imminent. The farmers of England knew their friends, sad had given Lord Derby their eosfidesee. The govern ment had to complete free trade, new emended; to caw plebe reciprocity, and to complete !evince of Walton; and might legitimately go to the minify on any of them goes. Sons, rather than no protection. bat he thought that, nailer the circumstances of the eases and if the minntey , the nisei - velem It het se ulterior yaw, should allow the gueenimatit la he mein es fee the period raeired by I"4 Loird perbY J. RUBERLLIht they had here very great and important questions te f bey had especially two qui-worm; the use • esestinelenal question, and the other question of the isommarefid pulley , which h ad been pursued since IMO to the paten tam Now, with respect to the tint, namely, the camaktitlend question, upon which he thought the mime appeehanie• had existed, much had been said and=la blenself, which he thought wee totally (Viar . . l bees.) He would tell the bane what occurred to him upon that subject. It appeared to him that the course of the preent Wilitimer was one that was perfectly clear, and one that he owned he was surprised he had not adopted. The late ministry having resigned their situations alto the hands of her Majesty, she had inked him to whom she should have recourse ; and although he was not positively bound to recommend his successor, yet knowing that the Earl of Derby was at the head of the greatest party in the House of Commons, and that which was most likely to find support in that house, he bad re commended the noble lord to her Majesty. As be (Lord J. ltusoll) expected the noble earl accepted, and remind the, conimmion her Majesty had given him. At the amen= of the new ministry everything was perfectly regular amp ' constitutional. They had nothiog to do but to baba *girl mats in that house, and appear as invested with the en& dente of the crown. But • hat was the step? onaresl as they had always said, differed from the ia policy which had beta adopts d and punned epee ISMS ; and now one course for them to take was pethely easy, aami ly, to maintain the existing 'louse of Commons, and to propose to that house the measures of which they approved. That was the course which Lord Grey followed in Ib3l, when that noble lord proposed the Can Bill to the hone, whet had been summoned during the adminieteaties el the Duke of Wellies/tom. lie (Led I. takes a:ei a similar course in 1816, when, with tbe SOWN a Cummons is which Sir Robert Peel lad peopmell ami node an alteration in the Coss Bill, he (the settle Ind) earand on the business of the oreality denies Nat awls. emit until its conclusion. But them wesVirewhe efieffbee efelee• which a new minister might Aeon teeno—sneenedeeht less attended with public amendment, with natell hemen, ad open toottetioe—but Mill • name is jerkily ass stitotioosl, an nee le as al" ' The hooourable gentleman the floceseary fee the had declared that be wined to reverse, ai ls, _, er modify the airmerin whisk led been salogret teim a the existing govermusne mad that they at the close of the public beings to demean rile. mane, and submit to a arm we the 'scare ethic conceived to be beet fee the welfare of the country. tim e that coarse, likewise, no eigesdea whatever could be stated. If they had takes one sr the ether, he (the noble lord) ehoulti have been perfectly willing to have waited till those minims were proposed, and to have considered them, whe ther they were such measures as he could support. (Hear, hear ) B u t the e h a d t a k en a course for which he would venture to say that. was no proonnt la the history of this military. (Loud chows, and cries of "Oh.") Since the cou.titution had bees established, it had no grounds what ever in the maxims and rules of that constitution. iße sewed cheers, and cries of "Oh, oh.") Hon. penmen might dissent—but was he to be permitted to state his ar foment ? (Rear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman, the hecretery forlthe Home Department, had mated this matter very fairly the other night. He said that the president of 17st was not applicable. If he meant that it was totally in applicable. he (the noble lord) said that the quenon war totally different. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Fox and his party had been climuning all the grounds of the ease. They_ stated, and they stated m os t tru l y , t h e arguments of Hr. _For, that the Minister of the C rown oug h t to have the conidence et this house, sad, therefore, as Mr. l'itt did not enjoy that confidence, he had no constitutional voice in that hone. But they said something More than this. They maid that the existing hogs, ought to be maintained. (Hoer , ItaarA There they fell into ma error ; and M r . Fi tt , while 'he did not deny that :it was necessary fur the to have the co n fid ence o f the Hume of Commons, tarrei ni. l t a further plea—namely, that the crown could not be bound for any considerable time to re fuse a dissolution ; sad that although that assurance might have been given, yet the wows was not to be precluded from using ite preemptive of asp;. , alio/ to the people es large. (Hear, nee) Be (Lord J. Itunell) thought that Mr. Fez war perfectly right in ► his sement, aud that Mr. Pitt wee else Intently right iu second argument, and that bed bees the rob sr the of Commons since theta. (Nor, hear.) let Ws had net Cie smallest bearing on the present arm. (Obsess.) fie did not ten t e nd to say that the Mena sight MOMMISIIII/ ti/ &melee, in order to obtain • WiritY of !he Min. of the present mininers; dill on MI • Other side, that the 'Mains of the mown mess gob s the confidence of the Hones of Cammems. min hear.) Ile Leese of nu precedent which would be 'petal to the mum "me. (Cheers.) In 18.16, It we said, that Hie ens mere woe adopted. In IMil5 it we perfectly Me that his Robert Peel did for mere thee inietain his Inn ben gnome he was in a minority, but be (the sable les helicon that Sir itsbert Peal fah as Wanly es pod* that that ma s on was entrary to the tulle ettho aseethie _ ha , an hat es had advised • dimoluties is well be memeseat kr him b retire from alike. (Cheese) Id 'Mt was the peke, of the prawn mialetry ? It wee be take seiner use OM= WM the ells,—aeither to go et with the peeseat Home et Cleumern lied submit the mem sans te it, es Lord Grey did la DM and ite he Unit Law sell) did in 11016, me be adobe** Sees to died% a• mom as the Memories= weuhl permit (firer.) But their Itcyrnil wee, sad withipeat esenniansent be Led heard it "rodeo...it, that the whole mein @Muhl p on gyro* the meomptioo that the goverment wee is • minority ia h.e..r; sad that at eine time—ebt re eight sew& heroism' it might be as the mouth of Detwebn—gerlimeent might b• dmoleed, en that then the lwmament would be nviy to meet the bow with response, eleven many aft, r n had been toutituted. (Chem) He (the 661= lo he that ',When to Le totally sounititutional. ( 't at thi re moth( he same weeks Ginn as the constitution 61 5' . 1111711 lit which was it' • seMerity before a demote. tam wbrh 1.,, ‘ pine so one woolet rimy, but a goverrintalll prudaireed and made it their avowal that tbq .4 a suimmity, and that they would concisely '7` . months, or nearly a whole year, without i ; r they puvseised the inn d r iv e of the • . „m ow , -qua was a position which envy "..n a a, .s he LW spoken said was perfectly new. (Ch Mal wee to be dens be haw gill hat Oil 1 was ' that the ruin ef the tliGlibil• wire Illiko I ESIIMINI ? -) It wes evident thee the Wen alea ' list regard either say pre mien which lined, or say theme ordias_ry rules t. wish& denser midi** bees (Cheers.) Well, them, having senidemi not in corn was perfectly new, . _he bad to vilest epee whet some d Policy it became 101.111blas epos him to pursue. As he had already said, bid theme bees no extraordinary come taken, he should ben bee, ready to wait; and was his hen. Mend the member for Wolverhampess Ifie, Villiers) came to consult with bias on a notice he given, he (the noble lord) threaded him from interim*, with be minister of the crows before he had stated the course be meant to pursue. But it had been made a great crime I. him (Lord John Russell)—in him, the inhabitant of a free country (laughter and cheers) —it was unde a great crime in hint to ask to come to his house those poli tie.ll friends with whom he bad berm in the habit of acting. (Cheers.) It was a very extraordinary accusation this from I I the Hail of Derby, because be had been in the habit of see ' ing, during the east year and during the pre sent session, notices in the newspapers stating that " yesterday about 100 gentlemen, members of the I Howie of Camara, assembled at the house of the Earl of , Derby, sad they had an eloquent speech from the noble earl." (Loud laughter.) Why, the noble earl had assent- bled a number of hen. members, no doubt of his political opinions, at his own house, and had prescribed to them what crane they should take with respect to his (Lord J.' ' Russell's) Reform Bill. (Loud cheers and laughter.) Per hips it was rather extraordinary, 'hie,: it was meatiest the emucidallios for peers of parliament to interfere with electiessa-(loud cheers); but he (Lord J. Ituesell) was ter' all of free discussion and free communications em Mitten, and he should never have dreamed et of it; but it had beets made a great CAM 1:21 .1.1" , something of a conspiracy, a compact, sod a remiss tion—(laughter)— to invite to his own house those collided friends who had been accustomed to act with him, end who I had been accustomed for the last live years to ems to Downing street to consult with him. (Cheers.) Why, be had asked the gentleman to whom he had intrusted the evanniesion of summoning those political friends whaler no permit had been summoned to that meeting who had sat been summoned to Downing.street since the eh:climb' 1817, and he had told him that there was not a single onetme& who bed not been so suminciiii el. (Chain.) Then it was called by the name of an " alliance ;" but there was but one other person at that meeting, and that was his right hon. friend the member for Ripon. (Cheers.) lie (the noble lord) thought that he was perfectly justifirii in asking him to attend. (Cheers.) What had been the case with respect to that right hon. gentleman? When that misfortune occurred to his government, the death of Lord Auckland, he had asked the right 111/1/. baronet to ac cept the office of the First Lord of the Admiralty. The right hon. gentleman declined, for rnsons to which it was not accessary to refer, but he combined that refusal with many exprearent of personal regard, and with general ex presiuus of agreement with respect to the commercial po licy and other political questions. (Hen.) More than once he had asked him to join the Fovernmest, but thcagh be had certainly declined, it was with renewed expremem of the 1.111111 kind. He (Lord J. Russell) agreed with Mien several matters of public importance, and had informed him what mune berieresed to take upon every political questioa, medial the fret Oat he had consulted him with respect to a lieslies of cennerelal policy, in which, us the od e Ilk Behan Peel, he had taken so prominent a pot, vas my mature!, sad was neither dishouourable to his nor II die noble lord. (Load cheers.) It was only , natural that at that meeting those gentlemen who had been ' mem penanent in the diesasskin apes the repeal of the MS law nil the oommoeld ameres of free trade, to give their olden se to the semen they ehesld pursue. (Cheery.) Ile did esidier it, thee, get esly right for him to call his pealed Mends Wilbur, but that it was imam bent apes lin to convene such a meeting, when they saw the rules of the constitution were to be anspesied or me aside; and when they saw, on the other hand that the eassequenees of that suspension mut be that the reentry maid be kept for seven or eight teethe he a ado of emsonedety se le the commercial paltry Mit mil he paced. (Chem.) The ministers hod node is slearethem proposal, bed asked for extra ',Maury theressemes sa Ile part of the House of Cow en., aad had node es esiemerdinary se motion of power as their pot, They pa it forward as the greatest sur ging to then that they had Ma said epee to accept eillsa—(lambeer)—that wasting bat the for of en log the conatry . without • g veesma 1 bad Induced them to form a ministry. (I aaghtlr.) He (the meld bad) on say that this pretence was a Yes en (Lai Men) They were occupied in Inning hirweed mil= egg mink had they succeeded, have pot in aid to the /11111M1111. (Cheers.) At the very eseineseement of the min the alga les. gentleman the Cleneelloe of the Es dimmer pigpen& a scheme that would have altered the en tire finalist pion of the government and have rendered it neeessary fur them to retire. Again, with respect to the hems ton the tercel of the window tax, and the genre. IMMO 01= they supported by their votes motions kat met ham they of the government. (Hear, heat.) He (the noble lord) did an may that they were not justified in these modem, bat they were perfectly inconsistent with the pretense limy bad put for ward. (Cheers.) At the =dot the lei anise the right hon. gentleman the Chanel/1w elk, Delay of Lancaster, went down to Edinburgh sled alined that Lord Derby was perfectly ready to go isle GSM (Cheer.) He (Lord 3. Russell) wadi set dessibe be right hon. gentlenaa's oratory. It bed his. add of Demosthenes, " `i Irma Mimes !" bat he bed as doubt that it must have bean exceedingly combiners (Load laughter.) At the ram meneement of reasat session , . the tint thing he CM noble lord) need me, that a maistry was prepared to take their a end one same ho tore especially resew herd ha Med. namely, that et the right hon. member fur hlidh who was said to be ready to gait the bee Awe of which he was an acknowledged onessest, and to mot the office of Secretary of Stn. (Hew. beer.) Thee these was the discreditable modes with readiest to Lord Carew den, a motion of which may hoe. members were se eimmid that they left the hem and thereby gave the loa pras—e a onsisedie mierity. (Hear, hear.) The able lewd wbe bad WWI& leeward that motion, probably amnion to wipe away from himself the reproach of be ing connected with it, was smeared to have said ' that Midas but the seigeenes el Se pert y would ban Waal bin to ban iremA ti t e t hewed. (Chem) Ties ' = was romered d the dieess ion of the isle. Titles Bill, that presort gennessa hod esolieed with • petty whose esemoosimi leg astlea be Mid met ties to elte. throw out the then e Tin Mena. however, bid gladly Idled i loa Py r i ll 'hewed that In rentleen omits were cwt ialloosed to deem the genrament, if - they could. Them. UM regard to ese Mks of the noble lord the mender he Ti. versa. there were, __cm the division egainst the gweeemest, the sense of the Chaeseller of the Bache the Hems Seeseesey. the Colloid !emery, the of be BMA of Osabal, sad the Plat Censaisieser of Washi— ta sinks of the Mist. . beer.) Then was able 60 fieseeller of the et Ineaster, the Chief Beeteney for Ireland, the for Ireland, load he ell. 21 mambas et the gowasaemt. (Chun.) An the whet wee all Oh nil 1 nein wee • folly hie poilansentsey wallies The to over oil pat a fin sober 41110111 hots, air that the; wen mime to mutes as ad edmiumilea with they theorist ves met seregß il a the mm hr the pii. lie welfare. If they t so, their maths woe a op. bitty natural sae. It t have bees aerated leo !r he eosin cases. Al all mate, it was a hie green to bbly, that the late genesnieut wee not acting for the hamelit. But they bed its..., to take an e ewer, and so; i t s , B by a hied st hiss prank be soi l their real d ns. (Chian, gni "Noon," hen naisterial b ent .) Had be mot shows that My bil s thetas the whole of the int and the esomemeseassi et the penes neon, dm their utmost, by piety asoisms, to overturn the g evement. ea tha r :Zir em eme not eteemgess to the division add* had led Whig therneemea ? They accepted sines and be head me tab the loth vidnais meet me seesaw= a the late geneamosat He did met onessesed the mon of the extruesiimmuy Mi. why aria Ind pronia Lord Darby seespier sass blarlloll le lie dedentlem. that be semi met In per ms emeepeleat be it the semi aloft Xieher did be use the nem hr their siraselimy andiesse as., is saying they would met say mope Min but mad wry ea the again of the onaor he a mien wash Mr. Pitt mid sever have Ma tall semorgh to sesemer. (Cheats.) Thit sever wee, that la ll neater they wend easy ea the again a the may within bens a yerdwarstary aideeity. (Chess. mots , 1110. m la that reopet, a my onderoble imp bedi be es nag be the seam of thee main. The dedesellem of the Chneellor of the liabz wee... tiotheaisa whisk be umthestead, bed ben mai bed very mit shwa their It en bid shows Ike basin of gable thesaisa. It showed 1 that the paths Idea up mid mat be amnesia-4n M had already, tithe words ef the right his. ltheadhsestary. bees altered eel nethhoL kiln, beer.) He saw eon to the Merlon of lee t of solenoid pee hey. Thin was eselah, essadhar very ea in the poen masa ef the sonistry. 1t mea ty 's: ir e diali gese total seem. mar wee I en a epee and manly avowal. Every do podosed me dewy ; every nem had a di!. Sorsa edam The amt nem yes net in the street would peeks* sell yes- 0 Will, the governor* love throws say—. I ne Iles go ov their proerheard pesteethe allegether r while the next would verm to ent Mend Onteins pandas:es, awl will se doubt my them out is the neat pail lam: at." (Cheers i silnw.,) The eaesseasato was there NOTI JPIIIIIIII ell OM*" anter— ooms saying th ey would omen rove nuweat berms it was a proteet,unist government, art others beams there was not to be u :enema of the .can laws. (Heer. bear.) This was a great evil and uncertainty. A ooble losibed told these what a ,wotectionist was that it meant a supporter of lewd Derby's government. (Cheers 'I aid great laughter.) lly that definition a pests& tiesiel_ might mean a tree trader; for many who supported Lard Dsapy's gealrament veld they were free traders • amt theo the tuw ie * be anterrhargeelde tem , . ("Henn ' beer," sad .) This cc:tritely required some el*. I Dation. The speaker said bind that the farmers le &Judd knew their friends. lie rather doubted that, and was i n clined to think that had they known their Meek, they w0u1,5 bare accepted the advice he had given then ' from time to :tate, and not have considered hint as their enemy. (A laaagg!! from the ministerial benches.) hi lOU he had said e n ' N oug ht the farmers of England had nen better accept an Bs. fixed daily, that there would probably be a great alteration in the corn laws, and that it would be to their advantage to makes compromise. But, no; he was represented 11110Ver the eou,7try as the enemy of the farmers. Now-a.claya, • gentleman advocating au Bs. duty would be ettredil red a gr. At friend of we farmers. (Hear, hear.) Is 180, be had asked them to c assent to a eta-shilling duty, and to have corn. 1111U:1111t1011 d Ibe Yam whisk poled mss oodellithls• They woad ad hoar of it ; and Ito woo solid an enemy to the I Imam rr posposiutt it. (Haar. low.) In 1849, he had Wed his. gentlemen eslte is give up Proice thm. they done so, would - have been iu a ealnabilleillelf_ position sew, would nut have eeperi mad Os ellicuity that woe now before them. } ruin Si present time they bad connote d tu advocate posloNim. On a deputation welting on Lord Derby, with • seeddios stating that Om were determined to do all in** power to reverse the ilionsmercial policy of Sir it. Pook he said, " I trust that what I now say to you will mom use for ever from the misrepresentation of having abandoned protection." So it had gone on up to the pre sent time. Now, they were told that a sliding wale was not to dos thought of; that a fixed duty was nut to be ob tained yaw* by a decided majority in parliament; and, moreover, that it must have the concurrence of the coun try—thus making • distinction between the House of Commons and the country. (Hear, hear.) Thcn it was said the duty would make a paltry and almost ivappreciable increase of price —ln other words, that if it could be obtained, it was not worth having. (Hear, hear.) Thus this great egitatien, which had gone on from 1846 to 18.52, with the view of persuading the farmers to rely upon the party opposite, and to believe that the would bring abon: a return to protection, ended in the admission that it could not do more than procure an inap preciable increase in the price of grain. (Cheers.) And what was that inappreciable increase compared with the descent caused by the repeal of the corn laws from 50s. to 38s. per quarter? Could any farmer expect by that means to get back anything like the protection he hail formerly enjoyed ? IHear , hear.) Was there no danger in this ? The hon. member (Mr. Caylcy) asked what they had to do with the opinions of the farmers? A great deal; because those opinions, though founded on mistaken vices of their own interests, were still the opinions of the firmer', and acted upon those of other classes. In 1846, during the die curion on the corn laws, it was a consolation to know that the country gentlemen of England went with the farm( rs of England, end that they had confidence in each other. But if, after beiug led to expect a restorative of pro tection up to 18452, the fanners were suddenly deserted by their leaden, there was a danger that, instead of choosing the country gentlemen of England as their reprisentatiees, they would choose among themselves persons who might have senores not so conservative as those gentlemen oppo site. (Cheers.) A very considerable per.on, a man of the greatest sagacity in this country, had said to bins out long ago, "People talk of democrats and the dangers of demo cracy : for my part. I believe that some of the tenant farmers of Egland have more democratic notions than any other class." (Cheers and " Oh, oh !" from the miuisterial benches.) Another thing which the farmers had been pro mised was the revision of taxation. Thissounded very well, but, on examination, would be found to contain a great deal which hone gentlemen opposite would not like to en counter. (Hear, hear.) In 1830, Mr. Huskisson hail shown the danger of levying so largo a portion of the taxation of the country on articles consumed by the great body of the people ; and Sir Robert l'col hail done much toa ster that proposition. (Hear, hear.) A great protectionist in another cuuatry, AD. Thien, when there was a free assembly in Fnuscr, had made a most able speech —one of the best speeches in favour of protection he (Lord John Russell) had ever beard in the course of his life, and it produced a very great affect He said in effect, We are not accustomed to imitate tho example of England ; we have already gone far beyond that example. In France, we have about 18 millions (sterling) of direct, and about 18 millions of indirect taxes. In England, they have alto gether about 20 or 21 millions of direct taxation, paid to the state and in local taxes, and upwards of Xi millions of indirect taxation under the head of customs and excise." (Hear, hear.) That being so, he should certainly my that the revision of taxation, which he had promised to cunai der, and did consider very much when ho was in the go vernment, was • matter which could not be touched without the greatest consideration, and that if they touched it, and wished to touch it on just principles, they would arrive at the conclusion of the expediency of adding to the direct, arid diminishing the indirect, taxation. (Hear, hear.) lie should be very unwilling to diminish the gees revenues now de rived train the customs and excise; there would be also danger in adding to the direct taxation ; but that was the conclusion to which they must come, and it was one most alien end abhorrent to the opinions of gentlemen opposite ; for last year the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Heroes) had asked parliament to diminish the income tax, with a view to increase the indirect taxes. Another hone gentleman had said to his constituents,—" You pay very high taxes an your tea and your soap; why should you not pay sense thing oa your bread ?" But one of them might have an swered him, and slid, " Let us put it the other way : we pay no tax upon our food or our meat; suppose we pay none on our soap, end very little on oar tea." (Cheers and laughter.) Those were questions which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Caylcy) thought very easy of @elution '1 Ease were the questions which hon. gentlemen opposite would have to bring before a new parliament. If they treated protection as a thing that would be odious to the great mass of the community, and if they considered that by a shifting of the incidence of taxation, they only took it away in ens shape to make the same persons pay it in another—beams* the agricultural interest, after all, must pay a part of any taxes they put on—if, rejecting these two schemes, they declared that they would, have a general revision of taxa tion, they might depend Upon it they would come to the result of reducing the taxes on articles of consumption, on the comforts of the great body of the yowl% sad w ould have to do that to which they most **ll/Misdp 011sole* namely, to increase the direct tax Mil Wm elloo duced by Sr Robert Peel as an equivalent tee the daft taxes which he repealed. (Hear, hoer.) Haying Ono dwelt on this question, he would certainly ask no MID of the government than that they should endeavour to palms their views thereon in some way before the country, paw' to going to a general election, in order that they milt know something at least of the issue that wag Si be tried, end what it was en which the was asked to give its verdict. (Hear, hear.) quite agroed that this was an 0007WII• kr forbearance; but, it' the house showed forbearance, they were not to be treated with contumely and with supercilious silence. (Cheers.) If there ought, In theeplaion of gentlemen op posite, to he reciprocity with regard to the navigation laws, there ought to be the same with regard to matters of for. bearenee. (Cheers.) But Lord Derby had tried to raise another km', an issue whisk ha had on right whatever to raise, marl ea which he hid no dais' more than any other Selliteelllell Si ink for the appeohatioa of parliament. He raised this kow—to his (Lai J. Russell's) satonisliment— that be woo minister in ogee *Ed the outbreak ad samooshmed of hismady. , hems) He (lei els) hod lett the bawd of the madder of the emus Ise es Imo dig ad de that democracy had I mob say moomemoslosainot *aide poloptives of the mews or the authority of dr two MM. of Parliament. Clew, hear.) We had *as awn guesed by its eonetitu lsoil progatives ; we had *e twu Row of Parliament metals re *. *dr just anthooky. (lesees.) Bat he hid West a isms his his_pdiliud emmismes, not ined* dorablit, ha lid boom. The Int pWthal meeting he re- I misamod olimiling wee a meeting of the lode and of the. whig party in parliamisee when Ise eel adhometi them with impost r the mama about t. be isloothmed by the this I t was. hi ilims%hi the par 1817 Led Or g o l y wil the Ledo ad MR PllMeaftW the Commons. pfd were ideltiood he the brnbiawast of the libel/11yd the rale& Than lib were net found suldeient, and 0111110 quawl* la Me Misr bills were introduced furdi= limbs Dr ilea, of the stalest and to prevent tho to and - sl ' al awatasay. D of emocrat, mg lbws hi tlytt bo Sum& Th= ii ho aempts at feemseim dab mist ibe r this. 11 m INA saes Deed sib% me hi Ai plawmand who al the maw, as sobs imp as tea _ls dis, whim mind the powa sal do tee madial Si them, and brought into demi pmeldooll iho demi whom they seduced. It was a ratbadak Ilea AS sae this shay bawd that the kr sappata of Nasalwaba wen gad ta wank to Lawba. At amen doe, that dare wet as lamenstitut at Deity, which might synod one the wide of the tuandostaring districts. Well, after no Lent period of pus a thane was made in tho amontim immument. ihr Robert Pad was wade limas baseba, awl Kr. Canning Foreign Secre tory. A dime Opett L our affairs at hale and abroad. Sir Mead Pad dieted an ameliorable la our ma_lla2rs with the gosallit knowledge and jambe. Mr. prosiaimei tla eves sentiment of old sad reli- Xnhso* el OM Os wadi, and Aids Mew us* lido minty vespendod ihmotally to • Oho gnaw andsowle ao attend, tad ft w aiababb play whisk be pumas& It was a• Manger wwwwwy Si hen Ohm laws sodelidag the Wisely of the pea*. Alluvraiis Lori Oteliasstalsi to office, sal thou Lad Whm^ todl thus Ws liked Peel again awl the tame mast was =aid the Attorney-dimmal clod Si mowed, ligalmet penal& for ofiedieg the public mod That temp had taken place mot to the admires of demecreey, not to the advantage even of domemode but to the great benefit of the. body of the t s pi, ham beim . sore attached to the *stet mind diseed Si the mows. mom attached to the laws the smalry, mad tleseoby moto satisfied and less desirous he demo in or hutitatiom. The right hoe. gentle mans. the Prosiest of the Beard of Control, told *ma the dim day that he admitted that the people wore raw is • Meteor prosperity. That prosperity, as he (Lod .1. Russell) believed, was 'mainly caused by the changes is their commercial peaky. (Cheers.) The people, while their employment had Dew increased, ob mined he the wages a greater portion et hod, a of modort. and had left to than ems surplus im r r oduention of their children. (Cheers.) If the note lord now at the hood of the government meant to remit to other means—lf tbo laws that he had in contemplation were opposed, tho general sentiments of the coonloy, mi if h• moommeted Oat those laws would require Si be ••• forced try ethermeane than pen u asionde t him tell him *Mir stead of dimenalonaneing democracy,he would be the greatest promoter of It. (Cheers.) Rely upon it, that it was met by these at= to reverse that which had been atm& doped, the that had been revoked, that they well hope to retain the affections of the people. It was by o calm, quiet, peaceable, and enlightened progress, by gsn. on without any violent aim or any violent convuhiette, but at the same time going on that they could support the people's interests, and support the people's rights; and they might rely on it that these attacks of democracy were not to be feared in the meantime, fur it was merely intended, by this kind of language, to raise an election cry. (Cheers.) Nothing could be more colitempible— (loud cheers)—nothing could be more unworthy of a mi nister who was presiding over the destinies of this great country % (Loud cheers.) Mr. 1./ISRAELI the* rose and said—The noble lord who ha. just addressed you reminded the house that the re were two questions before it, r rather that thu question before it might be viewed under two aspctts, the coustitutivnal and this esonsealoal one. But I must fetal to the bones this feet, that the question before It is of a much simpler nature. It is a motion of the newly constructed opposition to stop the supplies—(cheers)—a motion gaily proposed by the hon. member fur Middlesex, and respectfully recom mended by the hon. member for Liverpool—(cheers)— and I have • tight to suppose enfweed in a speech of great length and elegant preparation by the recent first minister of the crown. (Renewed cheering.) We meet the noble lord and the newly constructed opposition on the Wee which they have themselves selected, and on that mo tion we intend to divide. (Cheers and counter cheers.) The noble lord Deems to be astonished that any imputation of faction should for a moment have been raised egaireit himself. We were told indeed the other sight by the noble lord or one of his supporters that it was a new doctrine in the House of Commons to suppose that asking questions of a new ministry was factious ; but I do not think that that charge of faction by the leaders of the new oppo- sition was established on nor data. I understood that the noble lord was in this 'elation, that being a minister of the crown, end unable, in consequence of the attacks of I his own friends ' to carry on the affairs of the country— that be called, by his own confeselon, his colleagues to gether—that alter deliberation they came to the conclusion that it was Inc xpedient to dissolve parliament—sod that they then recommended her Majesty to send for another individual to form a government. What was charged as factious in the noble lord is, duelist should have constructed an opposifion,the first principle of which was to force his loc ice eur to an immediate dissolution. (Cheers.) "But," says the noble lonl, "a remarkable event occurred in the interval between my declaration as • cabinet minister and my first adventure as a leader of the opposition. A epeech was made—and that epcech,too, in another place—in which there was this remarkable declaration, that the new govern ment, in the belief of the new opposition, was in a minority in the House of Commons. And upon tha t phrase the noble lord felt himself justified in changing the whole o. his conduct ; and because of that phrase the noble lord says that, "notwithstanding I declared that a dissolution was inexpedient, I now feel myself justified in urging a dissolution of that very parliament which I said ought not to be dissolved." (Hear, hear.) But indeed the noble lord is as deficient in evidence to prove the want of confidence of the present House of Commons in the exieting government, that he can refer to no fact., he can appeal to no votu,to justify that opinion or that sane tion it; but all he can do is to quote • phrase used in an. other place, and an expression used by my right hon. friend the Secretary for the Colonies; end I ask, are expressions of this kind to be considered to justify the noble lord in thus changing his conduct and policy on a subject of im mense importance, and tending to such considerable re sents ? I have a different conclusion on that subject to the noble lord. All the precedents which the noble lord is so fond of appealing to are precedents of condemned govern ments ; and really to view a position condemned only by the too frank or the too modest adinissient of en individual, to place us in the same category of those ministers that after long discussion, after great deliberation, and in some in stances quoted by the noble lord in Houses of Commons as sembled under their own influence, to place us in that peal. ties, to treat us as if we were placed in a similar position to such governments, because it is consequent on the change of position of the noble lord, is to me one of the boldest expedients that even • leader of opposition ever had re course to. (Cheers.) But under what circumstances did the noble lord hays recourse to this course ? The noble lord said :—" Am I not right to summon my public friends to my private house ? I hear of other leaders assembling their friends, and surely you have no right to find fault with me because I ask my private Mends to assemble at my house, and assist me with their counsel." Wny, sir, if he had only those friends who voted with him on the militia question— (cheers)—if he had asked only those friends who were absent on that occasion to assemble at his house—if they had considered for the past, and counselled for the fu ture—l do not suppose that a single observation would have been made, and all would have concluded that the policy which they would bays pursued, and the policy which they would have recommended to preserve their just Lamas in this country, could have been exactly in harmony with the declaration that the noble lord made in his last official speech on the bench. But, instead of that, We find that the noble lord does not address his Mewls, but his enemies; he addresses those who made his government uncomfortable ; and he said, " Gentlemen, yen see(what it has all ended in; let us forget the past, let us understand each other fer the future ; you have • superstitious prejudice against an oligarchical cabinet. Forget it, and that oligarchical cabinet shall be come a broad-bottomed cabinet. (Loud cheers.) Reform Bill of this year did not please you. Let be bygones. We shall undentand oath other, I have se doubt, on that subject for the future." That was the character of the meeting. It seems to have been successful. Th. noble lord appears in his due espesity, and the moment he does appear he ennounees a coams es his pot directly the reverse of that which he eansenned whoa be sat on this side of the house. (Hem.) Ibl< Am man be an excuse, and that cause was half • Ikea Man i In speech of Lord Derby in another pose, sod as ospraelma in answer to a question by my right Imo. hied the Spew tary for the Colonies, the easiest team Ibr the get result that probably ever was dhooleved. (Ideulleele.) But net ally does the noble lordliness Idiot he Mei hew extremely ill-treated by the late mangy the catnap of these benches, but the noble lord was as nalortunate Wal► ter, he was turned, he tells us, out of alba After an a lengthened, and, I would say, such es Illneminas curses as the noble lord had had, after all that bee essmarred to hie after that meeting at Burlington Hasa, miss he was let. dressed by Mr. Ponsonliy, I certainly Amid not have thought that the noble lord would have bees anted out of ' one by the protectionist opposition. Bit bow was he turned oat ? Again, he has referred to-night to poisoned weapons—again he has referred to-night to the motion respecting Lord Clarendon. The noble lord was worried out of office by two motions, one of which was negatived and the other was not brought on. Now, while the noble lord indulges is these assertions, do not you think it would have been hotter not to have uttered one reproach to those political friends who, on that unfortunate night when the militia bill was before the heat, did not muster to the amount of 130 ? I cannot help thinking that that muster can more easily account for the tate of the than the attack on Lord Clarendon, which the noble lord tells as to-night was a signal failure, and the menaced attack on Lord Grey which wee certainly escaped, ' I will sot say evaded. And now I will revert to the exact lapse before us. It is a motion by the new opposition to Mop the supplies, and so far as I as collect, with the ruction of the noble lord, the late first minister. Lord J. RUSSELL here made an observation acrors the table, which we understood to be that he did not say he opposed the motion before the house. Mr. DISRAELI—I beg the noble lord's pude& I ago prod that ober b • bed ancluded the interesting narrative aesil.anilang aggnsimde with which he pleased us thin wieetop lbot he would at least have condescended to an- 1 oesnee that be did set maim the motion of the hon. nmalier. (Loud c The CHAIRMAN that the parties helm the Nominee was that a member orf bowls& Softy had Miele. There was se ether aselso seMss the hitao. (oo position cheers.) Mr. DIEIRAELI—That dam was the most piewatare cheer ever made. Amotionisbefore the awe. gen tleman their ember for Middlesex not wiesek _ asaMS his deterraisation *oppose the minion, mad the WIPP. is that he intends to divide upon It ; bat of ammo It gime me the greaten pleasure to hear from the noble bird that be Ism re ads& from that perilous position. (" Nei') Ima glad that the hoop sriseserade that as second thoughts the noble Ised—Ohnowei pies of " No, so," is which the remainder of the esalinse lone Mat) I will new make an observation emabeedep. be Piled the iessel prt of the queelleo, le the AM*, et the =We ised. tdo mil what he whites ate ire emenist to do= seeptet. Oh, eh.") The PPP hod hes mid tool& that Ihereles bees to a aro& brae • peat Ames of mum smiles the other hoed dot taw by set beta that ▪ ileheation which would be oposible le his Now, if the noble lord adobe that there has hew sa genes of rearm theosh as the ether hand set seek as explanation as he might roppis, paws as top saesmight think that the tissirotiesi wet as explide se wee moomary. (Oh.) Thine is the Ma. potiseasa the member be Liver pool who pee Ili a alai, admonition to sight, sad who, I eipect, mopes% the Ma. and gallant .woo. for Mid dlemen. Mm beg to isfons the right hon. 'en dow that the Mee of refusing him the number of men never entered my mind. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DIEIHAELI.—This is another proof of the advan tage of discussion. (Cheers and laughter.) I am pleased to hear that there is another seceder. I shall be curious to ascertain what is the forte that follows the hon. and gal lant member for Middlesex, and whether that force were part of the pubis Mends who met is the private resi dence of the wale laid. I Cu tell the noble lord that when we Ka to Ma eaushy I Welt the lose ie se dis tinct ace, seder sash eitessubsees, It ever bee bees. It is clearly an WIN whether the country has toadyism fa the presust admiehloetion, or whether It has not. It is clearly an issue whether the eitiselturel interest, upon whose fortunes Me ashes bed am se sessidwately dwelt— it is clearly as hese whether they Wee% or do not be lieve that if we /UMW in power we will do our em ;dist to the grievances of which they so justly complain. ) That Is distinctly undentood by them—(cheers)—esd, notwithstanding the speech of the noble lord or of his sew ally, the member for the West Hiding, I believe that they af e ezrfectly satisfied that that issue shall be arrived at ass y as is consistent with the service of the country. (C eery.) I was reminding the hon. gentleman the member for Liverpool, before ho made that intimation of his exact position which was received with so much satisfaction by the house, that he had founded his lecture to the government and our friends, to-night, apes the conduct of Sir Robert reel in 1841; but I might Mind the hon. gentleman-1 do not wish to put more nine upon that instance than it deserves—but I might ro adie' the hon. gentleman, who is one of the most ardent eifievrers of that eminent personage, that in 1833 Hig Robert I'oel professed upon these subjects very isrent opinions, and pursued a very different course. I cannot believe that the opinion of Sir It. Peel was not as valuable in 1834 as it was in 1811. Hut at the mime time I most remind the house, that none of then precedents &ply to the circumstances with which we have to deal. (Hear, hear.) There is no vote of confidence against the existing government, by tho existing House of Commons ; and I think it would be more decent to bring forward a vote of want of confidence, than to attempt to stop the sopp'.ies. (Hear.) Tho noble lord dilated on the uncon stitutional conduct of the now ronleitt, in Carrying on the affairs "I the count ry,w hilst it is not able tocsin its measures is the 11..11., of Common,. But I think it rather a largo amation at tb, noble lord to say that we are not able to carry our Measure, in the house. (Hear, hear.) But 'whatever might have been our position in the house, even though we acceded to the goverament with a distinct ma- jordy in this house, it was not the intention of the govern- ; ment of Lord Derby to have brougiit forward at the termi- ' nation of a parliament those incesures which they might 1 , ultimately bring in for affording relief to the agricultural Interest. There was a distinct pledge, and it I was understood and seceded to by the coon try party, that nu attempt would bo medo to obtain redress till the opinion of the public was taken on the question. (Hear, hear.) But I want to know why it is assumed that the noble lord commando; a greater number of followers in this house than ourselves. (Hear, hear.) When the noble lord needed to office in 1940, he did nut accept it with a party in this house larger in numbers than that which honours the present administration with its sup port. (Hear, hear.) He came to office on that occasion as legitimately as wo did on the present occasion, end he proposed measures which placed him in danger of being put in a minority, for he proposed a measure, with regard . to sugar, which was opposed—and I believe opposed to the sincere convictions of Sir Robert Peel. (hear,) Sir It. el said that he did not approve of the measure , ; hut, that i! the government of the noble lord were thrown out of ollice, there were only two parties who could be called nn to form a trove ru meet—himself or my late lamented friend (Lord Owego Bentinek) ; and that he did not a ish to see my noble Irked having the opportunity of accepting government. The noble lord did not dissolve parliament at that time, though he did not possess a majority in this house, as was evident from the deelarstion of Sir R. Peel. (Hear, hear.) he noble lord went on, and he was justified in pursuing that coerce, as we are justified on the present occasion in like manner. (Hear, hear.) I said that the present govern. went laboured under great difficulties; it is a new gore en =cut, and composed in a great part of inexpesi enced men; but I have confidence in the good sense and temper of the House of Commons, and while they possess those great and amiable qualities, I will not suppose that if we were to bring forward wise and judicious measure, wo would not be supported by them. (Hear, hear.) I will not the 'afore deign to speak as a minister existing upon sufferance. (Cheers.) I be lieve if the noble lord, inspired by the decision of the con vention to which I have referred, acts in the spirit of that meeting—which I do not hesitate to say is a factious spirit-1 believe he will not be supported by a majority of this house, and that the government, if they bring forward measures which deserve its approval, will meet with the support of this house. (Hear, hear.) This noble lord made some observations—l should not say som., because his whole speech was an elaborate reply to a speech which had been addressed be the Earl of Derby to another assembly. The noble lord denounced the expression of an opinion and feeling on the part of the Earl of Derby, that be was entitled to the support of all classes because his go vernment would cffer a barrier to the tide of democratic innovation. Why, said the noble lord, has not my govern ment also opposed a barrier to democratic innovation, and were not the attempts made in that direction successfully resisted. 1 admit all that. But allow me to ask the late First Minister by whose aid he was thus successful. (Land ministerial cheers.) Allow me to ask him by what means the menace of the democracy we. repelled. (Cheers.) Allow me to ask him by whose means ho was enabled is defeat those large schemes of parliamentary reform which he could afford, owing to the assistance he obtainea from us, to scout with derision and contumely. (Hear.) The noble lord now talks learnedly and profoundly of the difficulties of finance and the revi.ion of taxation ; but let me ask the noble lord whose was the proposition for re ducing it by 10,000,0001. ? (Cheers.) Whose but that of the hon. gentleman who was summoned to Cheeham place ? (Cheers.) And let me ask him whether it was the 130 gentlemen who supported him on the Militia Bill who prevented the success of so distressing a proposition ? (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had condescended to a mis apprehennon of the meaning of Lord Derby. which I should not have expected from the noble lord's lips. It never entered Into the mind of .Lord Derby that the policy which he recommended would require that force to up hold it. (hear, hear.) When he said that he was prepared to uphold the venerable and admirable institutions of this country, he did not mean that he would invoke force to maintain a policy or to uphold an interest; but what he meant was that, believing himself to be animated by a spirit of true patriotism, and believing that ho was supporting a policy round which the national sympathies, would cluster, that then he would find such large support as to be able to originate in parliament the measures which he believed to be necessary, and which he would bo able to pees; and that he would be found to lea successful and powerful minister because his policy was just—bemuse he was supported by the favour of his sovereign and enjoyed the confidence of his fellow-subjects. (Loud and continued chering.) Mr. BRIGHT said he should confine himself to the simple question whether a government acknowledged to be in a minority in that house, and which in opposition had maintained a policy pronounced by a majority of the house over and over again pestiferous and dangerous to the country—whether such a government,bound by such pledges alsould be permitted to carry on the administration of public affairs without being summoned to the tribunal of public opinion. Having got into office under the cry of protection, however, they asked to be let alone ; but he said to them, either recant protection, or go to the eonnituency, and let them decide the question. After a vehement attack upon the protection party, he said that the difficulties of the government were of their own making and not such as called for forbearance. Having imitates! Mr. Osborne's attack upon the constituencies of I some of the ministers, and insisted that those who sought to govern by a corrupt representative system were the per ' ties who were really causing disaffection and encouraging democracy, Mr. Bright argued that there was no r hope that an appeal to the country would give pro , teetion a chance of success ; that this was a question which the country would not suffer to be trifled with. lye re minded those who now complained of a factious opposition of their own conduct when opposing the introduction of free trade, and of their professions against that police, as ' justifying the opinion that their intention was to endea vour to reverse it. The reason the ministry did not dis solve he believed was that they believed the decision of the country would be in favour of the policy of 1840. If the ' ministers were not for a corn law, let them env so; if any authorised member of government would boldly avow that the time had passed when any duty could be imposed upon corn, and that they would not attempt to tamper with the taxation upon the principle that certain classes had suffered which ought not to have suffered by the repeal of the corn I ter, the government; would never find him (Mr. Bright) voting a want of confidence in them. If they could not utter this avowal, he would make war against them. He contended at great length that protective prin ciples were repugnant to the popular opinion, and concleded with a vigorous summons ministers to declare themselves, and a terrible warning to them should they declare them selves protectionists. The Marquis of GRANBY (to whom Mr. Bright had ap pealed) retained his opinion that the free trade policy had inflicted suffering upon a large elan, and that something should be attempmd to modify:the system. He still thought that the most adesallaimose mode set modifying this system wee by hawing lo= duties whereby the foreigner was mode 29 soy two would allow the repeal of other Mathat tweeted epos the industry of the country. Ile every confidence that Lord Derby's government would endeavour, if the country would support them, to effect such a modification ; for it would be ridiculous, absurd, and mischievous to attempt to reverse a policy which had been the law of the land for five yeses, supposing the people were convinced that that policy was just and advantageous. After the declaration wade by Lord Derby, he had no hesitation in supporting his government. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied to a personal allusion made by Mr. Bright, with reference to his election in 1847. _ _ 1 After some explanations by Mr. Baum', noisily received, Colonel THOMPSON was gratified to think that all their prooeediugs tended to au increased recognition of popular right, and he dwelt upon the injustice of the pre sent representative system. The decision of the free-trade cknestMn might, he added, be final es regarded the protec tionists, but, it favourable to them, it would be by no means final for the free-traders. Mr. OSBORNE, on being appealed to, declined to di vide, and The vote was then agreed to. Major BERESFORD said he could not proceed to the nest vote without denying the correctness of the represen tation of what he had said at Braintree by both the right bee. peatleissa the member for Ripon, and the hon. mem ber lisr Middlesex. lib moved a sum of 3,421,0901. for the "re t land forces. IIUME objected to going on with the vote at that lint. He moved that the chairman report progress. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER urged ' I that they might be allowed to proceed with the vote. H e would not proceed further then if the hon. gentleman did not wish it, bet he must not reproach the government for not going on faster towards that consummation which was strongly desired. Mr. HUME was desirous of getting ones fast as possible, but this money might be voted on Monday. Lord J. RUSSELL said that after the manner in which the house had voted the men and money for the navy the other evening, he thought it reasonable that having now voted the men for the army to defer to the suggestson of the hon. member for Montrose. Mr. GLADSTONE agreed with the noble lord in saying that the suggestion of the hon. member for Montrose was a fair one. The manner in which the navy estimates were voted was creditable to the house u showing their disposi tion to deal fairly with the government ; but, with reterenee to their duty to the public, he thought it was not desirable to go on with this ante. The Cttatttxetr then reported progress, and the house resumed. The Penonal Estates of Intestates Bill was read a third time and weed. The Pamengers Act Amendment Bill, the General Board of Health Bill, and the Improvement of Towns (Ireland) Bill were severally read a second time. BURGH HARBOURS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The order for the seecnd reading was read and discharged. ...... VUTILATION OF 11111 ROUSE. On the motion of Lord R. 0 /1014VENOIR, a select com mittee on this guinea wu appointed. EXTRAMURAL INTERMENTS (YORKSHIRE). On the motion of Lord J. MANNER", kayo wee given to bring in a bill to sanction a scheme of the General Board of Health fur the providing a burial ground far the township of Huddersfield, in the county of York, and the regulttion thn rcof, and other matters relating theret'. under the Nuisances Removal and Diseases Prevention Amendment Act, 1849. CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND). Mr. NAPIER. moved that the edict committee on out rage (Irelouil) do consist of fifteen number—Mr. At torucy-Oenernl for Tram& Sir James Graham, tsir John Young, Sir William Somerville, Sir James Emerson Mi ami, Mr. Haines, Mr. Henry Drummuerl, Mr. Leslie, Mr. Fortescue, Mr. Caulfield, Mr. Ifatchell, Mr. Bright, Mr, Yorke, Mr. Mallewel?, and Mr. tiolicitoMitueral for Ireland. Mr. MC/NSF:EL complained that no mlnnher for the south of Inland was on the list, and urged the pr,prie , y of postponing the minion for further cuipideration. Mr. REYNOLDS also took exception to the proposed corm...Rion of the committee. Re thought Mr. S. E.-ter tord, the advocate of tenant-right, should he on the com mittee.' Mr. 8. CRAWFORD kart no wish to be placed on the committee, but he urged the pro,,riety of au cont:iosing it that the people of Ireland shotial lure confidence in its it., Al ; SCULLY thought it essentird that the tcuant clue should be represented. Alter some farther conversation, Mr. Secretary WALPULE promised to meet the views of the hou. members uppo,tte, sod for that purpore the List three aunts un the list were omitted, mi th. understandum that other..hould he .ule.ti•ut.•d glee PUBLIC LIBRARIES. Mr. EWAItT nominated the following mcmhets to this Committee :—Mr. Ewart, Mr. Brothurtun. Mr. 0. A. Hamilton, Lord Seymour, Mr. Sian , Mr. C. L, Cardw. 11, Mr. !Sunbury, Mr. Duncan. Mr. tirt mall, Mr. Ilutt, Mr. Charteris, Mr. Heywood, Mr. Mackinnon, and Viscount Alchrund.—Agreed to. The Friendly Societies Bill wu rood a orennil The home sdjourned at a quarter-past ono o'clock. gfte erprv. CORRESPONDSNTS. ecru.! .1" mite E5P , ..." v.:Martel the mew " Leu.e.te," pu+ftlettd UM/ 'turas; eu.l .0 foe pug. %.1. es tuenwele Inkede4 r.u." The Eepreve," Leadel pet r•q eatvl he a! be Ma.iverie-eirest,. Titi 1.1.1 day of puulemetwa. HIGH WATKII. A i' LONDON BID 1)0E T.I Mt—Homing, 2n. Da AArrAo. a. :a. 22sh u,not,.u.w-21 :h. 47 a, AMMO.% SU. h.. LONDON, SATURDAY, MARCH 20. IT is with anything but surpi i-c we learn that strong reclamatietei have been achiressed by both English and French merchants to the Foreign-office on the subject of the beligerent proceedings of the British 'quadrats in the Bight of Benin ; and that Lord MALMESBURY has been urged, by deputations deeply interested, at once to terminate it lekelnulo which hi inflicting serious injury on the trade of England and France, and for the cost of which the people of this country will have to pay heavily. We regret, however, to add that his loidship is nut mei eiently well informed on the subject to have city matured opinion on these hostilities. He seems, in deed, not to De quite aware of the real character of the occurrences in question, which are of a much more important and extensive nature than is gene rally supposed, nud not an isolated act cf punish ment of the chief of Lagos. Let us show hip what they really amount to. Behind the Bight of Benin, which a British squad- Ott the mere orders of a Secretary of Mate, is SOW blockading, lies the kingdom of Dalionii, which, with the exception of Ashanti, is the only organ bad, well-ordered, and powerful state in West Afidea ; and as such is promoting and developing African civilisation. Unfortunately tho King of DAROMI has hitherto derived a couaiderab!c part of the revenues requisite for the payment of his army from the slave-trade, and has employed that Limy in slave-hunts in his neighbours' countries. Whilst receiving the various missions our Foreign-office has of late years sent to Abomi hospitably, courteously, and royally, they Lave altoge.her failed in inducing him to consent to abandon this horrible source of revenue. But, on the other hand, the slave-trade being now, from whatever cause, nearly extinct, the object of the missions has been substantially attained by much simpler and more natural means than by treaties. The naval alumna other persons engaged in there embassies seem, however, to have been annoyed and irritated at their want of success, and overlooking the fact of the slave-trade being nearly suppressed, have succeeded in persuading the Foreign-office to adopt a policy towards Dahoini, the logical ter mination of which is the overthrow of the state, and disorganisation of the country. Concurrewly- with the decline of the slave-trade, a large legitimate trade has sprung up in the Bight of Benin. English and French factories have been established at its principal port, IVhydah ; industry in the interior has been stimulated, and large quan tities of palm oil arc now exchanged against Euro pwto manufactures. Now, Whyd - ah is the port of Dahomi; and any disturbance of the interior would at once re-act injuriously on its trade. Already, too, the French are aiming at exclusi% possession of the rising trade of Mr - hydah ; and it is by no means improbable that our hostile pro ceedings in the Bight may induce the native chiefs to place it under the protection of the French flag,— which has already obtained predominance emit sove reignty- over the river Gaboou, further to the south. Whilst the French oa the coast have their atten tion exclusively fixed on the extension of their com merce by means of tech monopolies of its scats, tho British authorities there seem altogether resigned to, and occupied with, the development of sentimcet. At the more southern extremity of the Bight—seine fifty miles in a direct line inland from Lagos, and about .130 from Abomi, the capital of Dahomi—is Abecokuta, situated on a river called Ogun, which is said to be navigable; and at this place a very re markable settlement hits of late years been formed. Hither have gone. from semi-starvation and can parative misery at Sierra Leone, some 3,000 liberated Africans; and at Abecokuta has risen up a conside rable town, over which preside English and Ameri can missionaries, who have probably established a sort of theocracy, such as Mr. NITER tRD founded for a while at Tahiti. To this experiment every humane man will wish success; but, like most enterprises of the kind, there is a good deal of exag geration at work, for the purpose of forcing its growth. Thus, for example, Abeeokuta is said, in the latest publication connected with the subject, to con tain 50,000 inhabitants: an obvious impossibility to any one who will ask himself the question, how could such a number be fed in a confined spot in a country without systematic habits of industry, without roads, and without means of locomotion and transit. Abecokuta is an interesting com munity ; but it is an immature experiment ; cultiva tion and trade are not as yet its characteristics ; and • though its position is geographically and physically well chosen, it is in a situation of great political danger ;--for it is an object of envy, jealousy, and dislike to the King of Darrow, its neighbour, who has vowed its destruction. and more than once pre pared his troops for an attack upon it. And what wo in England have to apprehend iv that our naval authorities on the coast and our Foreign-office will make us assume the defence Abeeokuta if attacked. One object aimed at by the recent destruction of Lagos, and the change of kings we effected there, was, undoubtedly, to open tor Abeeokuta a line of communication with the mast; the Foreign-office has, at the present time, there " on special service" Commander Ft tuts, a meritorious officer. but, on Nest African subjects, a very danger ; ous adviser and representative ; and now th e due trine has been openly launched that the liberated Africans who left Sierra Leone and have voluntarily squatted at Abeeokuta are " the QUEEN'S subjects;' and, as such, must be protected by the Quer:N . :: arms. if necessary. This last assumption at once raises a practical issue, the solution of which may vele r cost or save England touch money, much reputation, and I —as the fight at Lagos proved—many lives. Has the j Foreign-office assumed the protection of Abeeektita ? ' Does it regard the liberated Africans there as " the QUEEN'S subjects ?" And is it prepared, in their de fence, if Abeeokuta be (as it probably will) attacked by the King of LIAIIO3tI. to chastise and depose that potentate, as it lately did the chief of Lagos? If such be the policy of England—such its duties I and obligations in the Bight of Benin—if such be the reason for having now Captain FORBES resident ("on special service' at Abecokuta—parliament ought at least to be informed on the subject at once, that it may not be surprised by a war for the subver sion of the state of Dahomi, now too clearly in jeopardy. LARGE LEGACY TO UNIVERSITY COLLEGE JIGS ?ITAL.—The late Edward Lombi., Esq., of Melton HAIL Wyniondhani, Norfolk, reeeutly deceased at non nee, lett his personal property, subject to the life 'viten...kr of 11;s wife, to the Uniror-ity College Hospital. The will hai horn proved in tho Prerogative Court of Canterbury by the ezieutors--the llama de Goldseuid, treauur,r pit.d, and Chitties Caleb Atkinson. MT, • oneze ; and the property is t stiina!e 25,000/. - toti M • s tivqr. -..aopsta 4! 11 ~~~