The Express. — London, England, 1851-03-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORIK—TrVADAT, 11.1.tatii 18. SYR LOILD CUANCILLLOnITIONS k his seat at I S o'clock. PliT 100 PHHAENT E PAPAL AOURCIstox.-114 Lord 10.DF.WDALE, from Hardingham ; the Marquis of 8RE.11./.ILBANE , from several places in Scotland, and reempleining of the with firmest if the second and third clause. of the Eeeksiastical Titles BHI ; the karl #.l WINt•IIILSEA, from eighteen different plates ; and the F:arl of MOUNICASHHL, from severall.laces. cotrylaininv of the papal astgreassion. The Marques of ISKEADALUANE, on presenting the petition complainina of the altered state of the Ecclesias tical Titles Bill, and &lemming the conduct of the govern ment, mid h e....1el nut source with the petitioners. The quiwtion we, e a meat difficult one, and he thought her Ma jesty'. gov. rum tit cf. ..e. I the sympathy and support of all the friend. of a'.' out religious III.: rte. Th. Lir) of WINI'I I I 1...1..t coti, ly diosented from the motile marquis. 110 hill lied be n we mutilated so to be untidy uueortlty 01 th • support of those who vrioNal to vindicate the honour of till crown and the nligriotis tree d,,. of th e p co ph., me d h.. should give it his most hearty oppooition. lice poled wore 'elm, as it was called, eats a 414r.xt attack on the prenserativo of the crown, and oubeer sews of th temotitotioo. (Hear.) AFFAIIIS OF ItOES AGAINST LOltlf TOItHINfiI Vim-oust TORkINGTON nave to gate notice of a motion wi n ch it w a s kin i a t e atima t., brirm In fore th, it that , I•ey fortni rlst..suel he hoped the y a "old le root him to sty •b or wont. with rek-renw• to it. The was toe earliest opportunity it •h!eb it wallet lease been ri,tht awl prope r foe him to 'edam the matter to wlw'h his motion r hived. He should ra.141. , that a message he tent to the House of Commons Aor a tansy of the ...allow and re.port of a com mittee of tl. it Louse on the Stain of C.yloas. Ile had broil ansious to t she the earliest opportunity of shalt. eatdur himx•lf awl hi, coontryinen against t1":,..-gt.s which bad ta:n ma& ow..Sisst them; but eonsiel..ritta that the malt. r hail les n unelt r con.illeration in the other house of porbantent for it .fly three en ar., and that motion. lout hero mode awl laser 4 hest hey n gie, n, le• load thought that it would At improper wet preauntotwowe in hint to preont Ileum If to the notice of their lordships until it had n tat re .t. Ile begged now to call adulation to th.. fact tluit a motion had be.su plate .1 on the hooks of the other how, of a 1'0.4i/rave harviret a cold, earl a ni..mlwr of he r Nlaieseety. ger. rotnent *oh participating in and himself with rota nittutto, att. of a eraVe and fearful nature, mid, moreover, chergiox others who had toted under hi. authority—to whom he had ger rtaiss powers in alitheult tuna—with cruelly pool-bias loth. Moats who, it appeared to him and . eery dale in the. weleeny, Ref. 11, 01' wing of puni , hm , vet for re In wineepwiace of 111., !notion in the other m hol lowlier los a withdrawn, he we, in the 'willful poi tion of a statement hawing gone out to the wore!, chargiii4 him with 181111 , 1 , f, a hick was oarontr.olit led. (Hear, hear.) Ile was well aware of tete n. eons alleged for ouch withdrawal, namely, that it was in con-e -go, nee of tin.. I . xi 4 tinw otate• of poldical affairs in this mon try • hut he ea. still inelito .1 to think that the h ~,,, ter and chaLteter #.l a no other of their lordships' house, and of a menaloer of h. r M siesty's government, ought not to be lightly tr. at... 1 ; 1, it who a •eieh a charge had leen welemnly reside it 010011.1 has:• let en h,anl, argued, and set at rest. in the alarm , of such a course, be felt it his they to bring the sub fret r their lonl.hipit" consideration, awl there fore lie had gin n notice of his intention to name for the pan-r. to which he had referred. Ile would then Ptah all the I st. ; h • had no mysteries t, keep look ; he had nothing to conceal. Ile ronwieti tiously and howatly eed that he had done his duty ander tlo• mod trying tireuind uWe. ; and he thought their hod-hip. 1144,11141 of the s tow opinion when he had laid a plain all') ungarblestl statement of facts before them. (Hear, hear.) Feelinet that he had 1114 . 11 broth used, that charges hail Iron made Notelet him which fool not been ouirstantiated, he st Id make a full stateinent to their lordship ' trusting that he ld have an impartial hearing, and Debtor that he was making un appeal to the blithest toil al in this country. Ile hoped their lord ships woad put teals all the otatements which had keen Insdc c l....when., and wone to the emeideration of the sub ject calmly noel dispassionately, lasing .rushed that lie rhombi prove tee their lorel , hip: that he had 41,m,• hat duty to Lis country, his ...yen iglu and him-. If. (Hear, hear.) I'OFILTS4 EXTENSION Lord 1111.0Uti11ANI saki he would otate the addition. which iuten.lell t.. make to this hill on Friday next, and move ito 141,4111 w.oling gm that day. lie wished it to be nu& wheel that it 11:1- not the bankruptcy hill. Their lordship* adj sorted at a quarter before six o'clock. 110USF. OF COMMON S.—TrENDAT, note!' IS. mg: srrmu t the rlutir at I u'rlock. PRIVATE It N ESS. TIARTINOS I MPILOVEMENT BILL. Mr. TIIIOTT mired the iierim4l reading nt thi. bill. NiMr.IIULLONIt nun.d that it be mad a to. wad time that dav .4% womb, Mr. /ILK WEN supported tlw amendment. The bees dis ided, n Is. n there apialutal— - For the seannti rt lading - Ajtain.t it The hill wa+ conwtituittly rejected. r.: &)-38 - - - I'l• DLit' III'SINMSS. The petition. premnited included, a. tonal, a large nuts-' bet on papal aggn ...ion and the EMI iaHiral Talk" Bill. TIIK IItISII I:BURCH. Mr. Minn'''. were notice that 011 Tu.,..10y. the 1 , 4 of April. he wool.' MOW that the how., do re.olve intelf into a e m a ngttee ..f lb. h.,uo to take into ron.illeratiun the r. tt noes of the Iri k rhumb. 114..11tN KO. Mr. rotinEN (far Mr. 'lwo.) prodpone.l to that day fortnieht the moutioa of which ii. member fur Alm " tn... had given meia.• with relieve to Bonn.. CI.JEW IMII I )1M.\IIII.ITI EM. GREY (for !Auld. linty po.tponoil until Mon day neat the motion of which th.- noble lout had given nu tlet with n•kvno• to outh, 711 K CENSUS: Mr. ot the right hon. gentle r (Sir fi. firey) would explain more fully than he had dune. in Watt r to 11111“tiOn. on u former night, what was the nevi,. inclusion of certain (rapers of a Tagus , and une.rtaia ehararter issued recently from the oihre of the re,.:i.ter-gencral upon the subj.-et ..f the ems-is*. Sir G. IVEY could only repeat what he had said on a Sumer night - that the inb.miation applied for, under the Census Art, a,. of two kinds that inftwmation whit!' w o es we r e bond t.. supply, under tWnAti.s s ag that serauti 'lass of information whirls it ars most de sirable In obtain, hot the rootiwiniratitm of whirls was quite voluutarv. the retteal of it subjecting the parties to penaltie.stsLatever. The inform ttt•oi sought from the oicirting asiWsterr, chortle. artit Ist. or others. in parishes, mas tM. latter kind; and tihe letter addressed to such prisons (anti hr was wrong the other sight in stating that this letter had heti§ sir. oly sent) expressly stated that the etanasiv.ioners sought Ilse °co-operation* or such (cacti,. and only in a...ft-mare t.. infiwnsation moon the " means of migration" and 'a religious worship" in their mighboto hoods. With word to the inquiries as to ineome there noon probably hr no OltilVtiOn to withhold theta if ) w. re l'On.ialrf. It objectionable. With rettani, however, itol.rinat:on in respect to education, and to the amnions dat at Mr relinions worship. he thountt that thinwa.a Suite; oppoctonity for olitaihing. in a legitimate say, in form Ilion of that kind. anti he unintended that in the tjority of ca... ths re would be every willingness to lU ke . ..44 1. 11•1.111 • 1IN must consider the answer of the right hon. gentleman satisfactory, so Ur a. it gave the a... l nane,. that the partn• t.s whom he alluded could cxenise th. ;r Doll will and judonent ...to the propriety of furnishing the particular information teased for. But, opposed to this answer of the right Mm. gentleman, was the act of trarlia 'tient, which esprcedy stated that all parties are bound. gusher penaltr, to return full anoscrs to all the inquiries of any dest-ripti;m whist might be mule of them. (11. ar.) Pir EV —The let ...mount had taken the opinions of the Attorney tiencral and the Solieitor.lieneral on this point ; anti those opinions distinctly were that no penalty attached to a as ilessl to mph to the inquiries in qua •. tion. lit SINESS OY THE 1101:8E. .... Mr. DISRAELI believed that there had been some mit *mon lic,l.loUrcNavting tlw reply of the government to the isquir, he had mail, ycstenLiy about the pro . ..dile conduit of the public imam... tin underahaal the right hon. gen tleman to ady that the financial atatentent would certainly not he made on Friday, a., originally pregnant ; and that, an. , it. , deluge of Lod night, it not concluded, the govern ni, to go on with the army e-timato.. The lII.Id 11l of the EXCIIEQUEII mid that the lon, gcnticuiau had cormctly ,dated what had fallen from _that he inubl not sty when the ti mucial ttate molt would come on ; hut it would be on the tint open t a i l after the WC01.14 reading of the Ecelc.iastical Tiths TIIE KEW HOUSE OF COMMONS. Lord DUNCAN, pursuant to notic e, asked the hon. meniber for Icarcest•r kMr. Grecne) the three following ipi. stains .--When Lie new 'louse of COMMOVI/ will be reek for the nee-ption of numbers? Whether the gilding of tfii roof not other costly divuratioex of the new flume ' of Cinnm,no, lure b., I/ introduced under the sanction and by the ord, rof the Commissioners of the New l'alace of Westminster ? What prusisi 111 l has been made for a better snooty of water in ease of any Muir,. aceident by its Mr. (ME ESE. fu snide to the first question. would only say that he had seen Mr. Barry. who said that as soon as the' walls of the house .in of the adjoining lobbies were stolid. ratty dry the house would be completed. With respect to the second qu,stion. the desire of the time, a. expressed by the commission, rs was, that the 'lowa. of Cuntm.m. should bu in as plai n a form nail in as strung and direct • contrast with the 11011.: of Lords no might be possible. (" Hear, Ar," and langhter.) Some time afterwanle the commis siouers authorised the introduetim of painted glass. There were no w rite of instructions. hut the fueling appeared to be th it this should h dme. Mr. Ilan understoigl it to be the desire of th e house that it :should he carried out. In justice to Mr. Parry he felt it right to state that ha had perhaps not understood to its NU extent the desire of the h*se4: for plainnem of deeor.:•.ion ; but as soon as he was informed of it he put a stop to a great portion of these de corations. The roof was then finished, and Mr. Barry did not think it would he right to have it taken off for the re aoral of the paintings. as the process would have been ex pensive. But the house when they came to sit there would he better able to Judge whether they should be removed or not. At present it would not be expedient to go to the expense of moving. Mr. Barry writing to Wu said that all the parts with the exception of thaae connected with heraldic emblazonment were of the plainest characr r rawiptent with the architectural design. The cieliog decorations hail Nen introduced as a relief to the heavy expanse of oak, and tbr facilitating thc lighting of the house. (Sn we uaderstood the hon. gentle- MM. abe was imperfectly heard.) With respect to the third question, he unable to give any answer to his hl, frienail been no port made immediately t no o the commissioners, d. There h because the supply of water belonged to the department of Woods and Forests. He understood tie it a statement hail been made by his noble friend that the supply of water was not sufficient, mail that was cout munie:ltea to the commissioners. Mr. TIIORNELY asked if the commissioners hail thought of obtaining a supply of water (you the Thames ? Mr. GREENE replied that he had airily stated the supply of water rested entirely with the Woods and Forests. THE POLICE. Mr. F. O'CONNOR asked if the right hon. the Home Secret try hail made inquiry roncsruing the ease of a youag min who le el 11.•im :ticked up with others on a Saturday bii:ht instil Mnuolay moorniota. •ior G. GlitEl . had rereived n report from the police corn ' missiouirs, and found that on the occasion alluded to by the hoot. twimber, two per...nettled been apprehended on Sltur ol iy tra oint, charge ii with picking pockets in Hyde-park. The police others let big closed they were locked up until Monday morning, when they were examined before a ma gistrate. Onc of them was aiseltargt.,l, and the other was rummitted. Subsequently, during the prorecelen . me of the house, Mr. F. O'CONNOR again rose, and - asked if he properly tenoler-tiood the right hon. Honer Secretary to my that the perain to whom he had alluded in his question had been s., t,, tiltEY asked to which of the two persons the loon. gi oitii moo referred. (A laugh.) The attention of the 1e li otiamiii-ioners has ing been drawn to the case—no application ti ,e in; been made to them front the parties sup iit - Ito be injured, who were generally ready enough to tempt:in -thee sent him a statement, the sulsstance of which he lee( just Hated to the hon. gentleman. Of the anti the para. , he knew nothing. Mr. F. O'CONNOR said it wa, no laughing matter when 'wrote. wren wrongfully put in prison, and that he should ask the question again. He also Isire testimony to the re spertability of the person whose rise lie had adviseuted. After some unimportant conversatiou as to the business of tie, Lowe, Mr. C. ANSTEN' gave notice to hie hon. friend the member for Lambeth, that to-morrow, when he asked leave to bring in his bill for the betterobservance of the Sabbath, he should put a question on the subject of a statement which had gone forth that the expenses of the saltation for that measure had defrayed out of the parish funds by the vest 7 of the pari.h. Mr. %. WILLIAMS .aid that as far as he knew, no such m.ney had been expended, and 1w Inslievill the vestry too honest to dispose of wiri‘la owner to such a purpose. CtS*lO3lS 110A1tD. Mr. 'MITCHELL informed the house that he had given notice of motion for. Friday, the 21st, for a committer to inquire into the management of the customs, and he thouolit it right to , late that it •a. the intention of the go- vernusent to gr.ent the committee he asked. TITRE RENT CRAILGE (IRELAND). Mr. BADLEIR. moved • resolution to sub,titute for the existing mode of varying the 'amount of tithe-rent charges in Ireland, a self-actin:: sptem, whereby the amount shall oiljustcil to the nvery.n. price• of corn, as in England. lie repee.ented this as an object of very great practical im portance to owners and occupiers of land in Ireland, and explained at much length the objectionable incidents of the Irish - system. Sir 4. 61tF.Y said this subject was one of great per pk.ejty, requ iring an oeu ednation of °Mutt- details and acts of {ornament, awl he ttioughi the lion-c should not pledge it. If to a it:articular tour, of proceeding without having a definite scheme before it by which the resolution could be carried out. If Mr. Solicit would mot. mote for leave to bring in a bill, he, on the part of the government, was pre pared to give his roneent. Alter a brief Mr. Sena'', tit consented to with &sew hi• motion, and to tuner for leave to bring in a bill. THE INFANT RAJAH OF SATTAItA. Mr. ANSTEY then called the attention of the home to the alleged oh-erection offered to the claims of the infant Rajah of Sattare in Cie demi el of a hearing before the l'rivy C o uncil, and meted a '.solution that the mutters alleged in the petition pre.....ited by the next friend of the rajah de wined the serious consideration of the house. The motion not being seconded, it fell to the ground. ECCLESIASTICAL - TITLES BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. The adjourned debate an this bill was resumed, in the absence of Mr. M. MIL:See, by Mr. BLEWITY, who admiring, as he did, the ante cedent,. of the noble lord (Lord J. Russell), should say the present measure was inconsistent with his en tire previous political career, and therefore he (Mr. Blew itt) regarded his departure from that original course with moire...tett sorrow slut relict. (Hear, hear.) It was to his mind a matter of deep astonishment that, after a life laliorious exertion to dispel the clouds of intolerance. and ..etarianion, and after succeeding in producing a state of nil., and tianq between uillity catholic and protestant, th e n o m, lord should now come forward in the sable garb of Wee' -(a latigh)—to rake up anew those dormant pre judice+and untipathiex.(hear, hear) One would Rup p.uc that the noble lord had never read history until the past year; for all that he had said about the unchanging unol unchangeable nature of the church of Rome must have been well known to the noble lash in UM, when he so eto nueudy advocated catholic emancipation. (Hear.) But he (Mr. Blewitt) would Ile no party to reviling the re ligious practice. of any •A t of bee fellow-countreneen •• superstitious mummeries. " (Hear, hear.) Much as had hecit said about Ow« • bulk and pastorale, and inflated and 'semitone as they undoubtedly were, he should confess they .li.l not in ant way interfere with his appetite or injure his digestion. (.. Hear," and a laugh.) Ile did not believe that either the Pope or the Cardinal intended insult to the Queen. It ehould be recollected that the catholic church, like the protestant, was episcopal, and without bishop' the organieet of either would be ineomplete. The bill would be inoperative, because it was not framed to meet any of ' the mischiefs intended to be nprceted by it. The art was a uwless and irritating one, and therefore he supported the amendment that it be read a second time that day six months. (flyer, hear.) Sir It. LOPES felt hound, on behalf of the important constituency he represented, to any that so far from their not wishing for any legislation on the suhjcrt, they felt ex eetelinglr digappointol at the inefficacy of the measure brought 'forward. In giving his a-sent to the second reading of the bill, he hoped sonic clauses would be introduced in commits, .of a salutary and rigorous nature. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W.tLTEIt should contend that, notwithstanding all that had been w.i.l to the contrary, the act of the Pope woe an *cert....ion ;mot a usurpation. It was an aggs.sion, berau.e it s Whine' the provisions of the act of Inel, under which catholic. derived their right to sit and legislate in that 'lenge. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the particular chum. in that act, he should observe be had heard it misquoted at last a dwelt timeg in the course of the present debate. He had heard it contended by Boman catholic, and admitted by protestant, members that that particular clause Ten-trot only to existing sees at that period. (Hear, hear.) Now, he considered the chute rednetine Boman catholic ecelesimtice from assuming titles within the United Kingdom was intended to upply in every cow, future as well as present, notwitledand ing the opinion of the right hon. baronet the. mem ber for Relent (Sir James Graham) to the contrary. liis (Mr.Waltee.) quarrel with the Pope and Cardinal men was, nod that they exercised spiritual control over the con wiener. of Roman catholic., but that they claimed territorial jurisdiction in this country. It was no answer to say that the document in which that claim was made was hut the usual form of papal documents. It was an assertion of spiritual dominion and territorial jurisdiction, and, as such, he ob jected to it. They must protest against the eneroachments of • church whichlacked the power, indeed, but not the w ill to make Rend its pretensions. lie denied the validity of the argument 'of his hon. and learned friend the member for' Plymouth, that tweauee they granted chit privileges and eious tolenition to the Roman catholic*, they were bound to tolerate the full development of their ecclesiastical schemes. Such a policy would be suicidal, and no government of this country could so abdicate its functions as to permit it. Such a policy if allowed in this country would produce odmilar reeult+ to what had taken place in Sardinia. Did the conduct which was pursued toward. a minist. r of that country. because he discharged the duties of his office in a ronecieutieus manner. come within the definition of spirit.tal toleration ? That act was an act rather of spiritual domi nion, and the state was bound to protect its subjects against such dominion. (hear, hear.) It might be true that the Pope was led to believe that the country was on the eve of a great Ronan catholic movement. Ile knew that many Humus catholic• held erroneous ideas as to the state of religious opinion in this country ; that they took the acts' of a few bewildered den/I-men and weak laymen and women AA the real feelings of the people of England. (Hear.) They could now we, 110ACITr, that they had not abandoned their strong feeling* against the pre tensions of Horne. Sure he was of this, that if the people of this country thought there was any danger of the spread of the Boman catholic system—if they believed that thee were to be expand to the danger of having priests interfering at the bcd-side of the dying, even though they should be miaers, and intercepting their means front their relatives, if they thought that the system of the confessional was to be generally introduced, and that the daughters of their protestant fellow-country men were geeturect into convent., whilst the courts of law 'rooled them no pretection, they would he very much dig- Ocvlto mkt. the law into their own hands. (hear, hear.) ould not oppose the bill because Ireland was included in it. though he should have been equally contented to exclude that country from its operation. (Hear, hear.) But that country scorned to have such a prescriptive. right to every species of abase and misrule that he supposed it was found necessary to include it in the bill. (Hear, hear.) An hon. gentleman (Sir W. Barron) said that if the bill passed, every mau in Ireland who could serape 10/. together would leave the country. That was au additional reason why he (Mr. Walter) should support the measure for re sisting every aggression of the see of Rome. (e Mar," and laughter.) Ile thought the noble lord might have produced • immure which would have been more worthy of the ex pectations which he had raised. He should, however, sup port it in the hope that in committee it might be nudered more worth of the occasion which had called it forth. (Hear, hem. Mr. ANS Y said that the speech of the hon. member who had just spoken was anything but calculated to allay the feeling of irritation whiedi had been evoked in IteLena by the introductiou of this bill. But he did not believe that the sentiments of the hon. gentleman were shared even by the members of the =cent= nt, who introduted the measure. Hon. gentlemen who so glibly railed at the Ito man catholic religion and the papacy should be made aware THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MARCH 19, 1851. that it was in the power of 'imam esthetics to retaliate. lion. gentlemen were but too glad to lead on the penple against the common game. They drew the hounds off the real scent upon which they feared to have them led. The balsam:Ode and learned member for Oxford, and the right hon. gentleman the member for the I;nivereity of , Cambridge adopted that course to divert the attenoien of the people from the abuses of the church of England. The lion. and learned member for Oxford said that the Queen hail the power by letters patent to make and unmake churches in any part of her dominions, and from this he argued that it was a violation of the royal prerogative for any one hut the Queen to make ercleeiadical regulations. Ile denied that position. Ile maintained that the ecclesias tieal law was purely it sd, and that the Roman esthetics and dissenters, and every Christian community enjoyed as sound a status in the foreign and colonial dominions *of the crown as the church of England it-elf. (Hear, hear The right honourable baronet the Horne Secretary had I promised the introduction of a clause exempting the Scotch bishops (rem the operation of the act. But he maintained that the bishops of the Roman catholic church in Ireland had a stronger claim to be exempt( d. end ho should propose an amendment in cemmitte for the pur pose of exempting the Irish Roman catholic bishops. The bill was applied to Ireland because certain per sons in England bad assumed titles conferred by a foreign power. (Hear, hear.) If it passed at all, it should be con fined to the occasion, and also to the coun in which the aggression had taken place. (Hear, hear.)try He thought the beet course the government could take write drop the present bill, and abandoning their purpose of legidatiun with regard to titles, to deal with an agar:awn which they could resist, when the Charituble Trusts BiU came before the house. That would be the time to adapt prohibitions and regulations, and such a course would be far better than the entering an absurd protest against papal aggres sion. He hoped an attempt would be made to prevent any person from depriving the Roman catholics of England of that protection in respect to their charitable and religious trusts which was enjoyed by them under the ancient canna law of this country, down to the 29th of September lad year. The honourable and learned member concluded by stating that because he considered the measure insufficient in one view and excessive in aueother, and because he was oopprned to its extension to Ireland, he should vote against the 14 cowl reading. Lord ASHLEY observed that notwithstanding an that had been said, be reverted to the tint question, should the parliament of England, or should it not, mine to the succour of the Queen, to maintain the rights of the people, and to assert—he used the expression advisedly—to assert the civil and religious liberties of half mankind. (Cheers.) They were told of the difficulties of legislation—why, they always knew them. They were denounced as illiberoil—they fore saw the imputation. They were advised to surrender , — they anticipated the demand for such a coneemion. (Hear.) But one thing they did not foresee, one thing they did not anticipate; they did net foreeee that a British peer would denounce this defence of the British crown as equivalent to persecution, and even tee torture, and they did not fore see that British senators would assume the rights of con science and the no ce,oity of spititual development as a lawful ground for the assumption of territorial titles, with all the paraphernalia of political peerages, in defiance of the Queen and her government, and in opposition to the custom. the feeling., and the opinions of the people of Cheat Britain. Be repeated, then, that he 'must revert to the first question,—should they, or should they not, l'Oll3C to the succour of the Queen of these realms? Now very many even of the opponents of legislation admitted that the language of the Sovereign Pontiff was haughty, arrogant, and offensive. Should it, then, be endured? (Hear, hear.) Should they, while using these indignant epithets, sit down and do nothing, sufficing, as it were, the seeds of this act to sprout and fructify in their very sight ? (Hear, hear.) Now, he readily allowed that if it could he shown that the recent movement of the Pope was in strict keeping with the act of 1829, they must at c submit, and that, too, upon the principle laid down in Holy writ: " lie that sweareth to his neighbour may not disappoint him although it be to his own hiuelmitee." (Hear, hear.) Ile would not depart from that principle to the extent of a hair's breadth ; but. nevertheless, he thought he might say to those who presumed on their concessions, that privileges had their duties us well as their rights— (hear, hear)—and that of all those duties there woe none more sacred or binding than that contained in the rule quoted by his hon. and learned friend the member for Ox font "Sir Were too ut aliennm non Lords," (Hear, hear.) Now, one Feely in that house denied not only the necessity, but the propriety of any legislation; and, oethat ',arty, the most conspicuous and able was the hem. and learned member for Plymouth, who, in his very powerful speech, maintained that proposition. But the whole of the hon. and learned member's reasoning was directed to the establishment of this position, that every thing that had been done by the pope, nay, every thing that can be done by the pope, Was irresistible, because founded upon the demand of liberty of conscience, and necessary for spiritual development. If that propositiou were admitted, it at once took from them all power of eon trod ; nay, more, it imposed on them the duty of absolute submission. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and learned gentle man, without instituting any inquiry, without entering into any examination, into the meaniug ot' the term "liberty of co:tonna.," took the words as enunciated ley Roman catholic., and allowed them to put upon them their own interpretation. Ile took the definition of Itennan catholics, and then whatever they demanded as founded upon this liberty of conscience he conceded ; and forgetting that there were other equivalent, and certainly pre-existing in ternees, be ignored at once the prerogative of tlie crown and the rights and liberties of the whole mast of his protestant fidlowsubjeets. (Ilear, hear.) Now it was perfectly clear that the concessions of 18'19 must hove Inen made with this rewreatioeu, that those who inade the in, while they Fronted equality, were not theateelves to he placed in a positiem of subordination; ay, and at the rain. time that when they gave the Roman catholics the power of expres sion, it was not that they, in return, might drive them into a corner. The concessions were made upon these grounds, • and upon those grounds it owe that they resisted the pre sent pupal aggression. (Hear, hear.) Now, there was another party in that house, a party that said they wished for legislution, hut were so dissatisfiol with the present form of it, that they would rather have no legislation than tic opt this measure. Now, would those gentlemen—would the house—allow him to state his deep, solemn, and earnest convictions upon this vital question. (Hear, hear.) They were not now deliberating upon any matter of transient interest. (Hear, hear.) Ile was curt' that all who heard him, whether they supported this measure or opposed it, would turns. that they were then handling prioniples which had determined, and would determine again, the existence of empires —(lssue, hear) —principles which would exercise an influence• over the widest surface and to the latest period. (Hear, hear.) l'erhapi he ought not again to Kaye addressed the house, having recently received so large a measure of indulgence. 116 only enema, was the impulse, which was too strong for him to resist, to declare once more what he thought aud fi It an that great and important epee:non. Now, ho wished in the outset to draw a wide distinction between the Roman prelates, the court of Rome, and his Roman catholic fellow-subjects. (Hear, hear.) Of all the mischiefs calved hr this measure of the Pope, none was noon, miechievous than the disturbance and itenettlement of the minds of Wine of the most orderly and most loyal of be r Majesty's subjects, the Rouen catholic, of this country. (Hear, hear.) The position he held was this, that we uualit to maintain that the Pope had acted as a foreign prince and potentate; and he used the words emphatically, not however meaning any offence, because they were the distinctive term, which showed the difference between this and other nicasuree. The l'ope had vielateel by the recent aggression the law of nations, the law of the land, and had usurped the functions of the Queen and of parliament. Ile mnutaintel in the first place that the Pope had violated the laws of nations. Hear the worth of the Papal Brief " We, of our own proper motion, in our certain knowledge and in the plenitude of our apostolic power, have resolved, and do hereby dien es the reestablishment in the kingdom of Eng. Lind, and according to the common laws of the church, of a hierarchy of feistier' deriving their title's from their own sees, which we constitute by thee present letter in the various apostolic districts. To commence with the district of London, it will form two seers that of Westminster, which we hereby tolerate to the metmpolitan or areltiepiecopal dig nity, and that of Southwark, which we assign to it as' a suifregan. together with those which we proceed to indi cate." And it goes on " Thus in the very flourishing kingdom of England them will be one single ecclesiastical province with one archbishop and twelve suffragans." Not only was there this one act of aggr•ostion, but there was another, for it went un to say : " We reserve to ourselves and our successors the pontiffs of Rome the right-to divide this province into several, and to increase the number of its diocese. as occasion shall require, and in general that as it shall set's fitting in the Lord we may freely decree new limits to them." Could anything he more imperious or wearing a greater appearance of claiming sovereignty ? This was the language of the papal brief, and he (Lord Ashley) held that it was a violation of the law of nations, both in its language and its intent. So much fur the violation of the law of nations. Nu greater respect had been shown to the law of the land. By the act of 1819 Roman catholic prelates were forbidden to assume the tithes of any sees or deaneries in England. It might be said that the strict letter of that law hail not been violated, but no one could say that it had not been violated in spirit. Would any on ...ay that if, when that measure was about to be passed, the Roman catholic prelates had put in this plea, and claimed a right to territorial se e s, that would not have been the strongest argu ment against the measure. But not a word was said about any territorial demand. The Melee should bear in mind the character of the hill of 1829. The object of the pre (snt bill was t s maintain tho• prerogative of the crown, while the object of the act of 1829 was to defend the coda bibbed church, and to see that no other establiehment was possessed of territorial powers or conordinata jurisdiction. This security was given, and it had now been violatesl. This ape:staled brief actually vieleteel the law in its letter, for it constituted a bishop of St. David's. that being an ex notthae ieting see, and occupied by an Euzlieb bishop. When the brief appeared in the papers, the re w as bishopric of St. David's, but a die was .thl inggm.d aloof o bishop of Merioneth and Newport. When the Latin brief was publielied, the biehop was called Episcopus Merivensis, no doubt with - the intention, under the cloak of a learned language, to have a pretext, if nes cessery, for saving that it was ineorrectly translated. But he (Lora Ashley) had in his possession the authorised translation, and the words were " In the district of Wales there will be two hishoprie:, viz., that of Shrews bury and that of Menevia (or St. David's), united with Newport; and we 004.1 to the bishop of St. David's and Newport. as his diocese the counties of Ilrecknock, Pc an brake, Bm." He hoped the house would attend to this, as it eras of the utmost importance. The estetnishment of this see of St. Day:d't was designed to test the wstehfulnei: and the patience of the people of EnalmolSlf iTtswasPOC;rl over now, next year it would be quoted as aright—(hear, hear`—and they would be told that it was noticed nnw , and why should it • be noticed then? (Hear.) Were they not now told that they could not deny territorial titles to the Roman catholic bishops because they had been so long con nived of in Ireland, and with regard to the esta blishment of the ere of Galway, were they not told that they hail not protested egainta the act of the Pope in the creation of that see? Murk the lan guage of Cardinal Wiseman in his appeal to the English I nation. It was now their duty to protest against the ail of those who had violated the law of nations, and insultingly, h bo a t d h v a i, s a r a e t u ed aet t l h e e d l t a h w e o Q f u t e h e i n s , re t a h l e m people,and purl e t n, this also there had been an usurpation of the functions of the Queen and parliament. Those who doubted this mus either not have read or have forgotten the papal brief. Wast there ever received at any period by soy court or any sovereign a more imperious, haughty, or °eerie acing decree, or was there eser delivered to any conquered country, no edict lee• to be endured ? It was couched in the style of the decrees ut Napoleon, (w e % mit to it ? If they slid, he could tell t hem the Q ueen and seandatodeerelaigrnec virtual l y . i Nnllilpa th r; t ialut th e , n em t h sub- ge of Hanover the psople would not. (Order, order.) Welt then, he would say the crown would not endure it. There was not a child but knew the history- of Thomas a Becket, and the claims he simile for dominion and sovereignty, and the arm. stance and haughtiness with which the church sought to ride roughelioil over the people. The noble lord then read an extract from an address of Cardinal Wiseman, in which he declared the " martyred" St. Thongas to be his father, his model; and this was signed "Nicho las, Bislem of Melipotamus," in 184 K. By this could be seen the spirit in which these things were undertaken and executed, and if they did not withstand it now they would hereafter have to contend with a great power and a spirit not le. ambitious than Thome. is &vete. And all this was done without a %bedew of precedent or right. lie would ask any one to quote an instance among the old established nations of Europe which could justify the present movement of the Pope. If it was said that it was only a mat ter of conscience, he would ask what had territorial titles to do with spiritual development ? Milton spoke pro- phetically when he said, "Then shall they seek to avail themselves of mine's, places, and titles, and with these to attain secular power, though feigning still to act by spiri tual means, and, from the present spiritual law:, by carnal power shall force on every conscience." The hon. mem ber for Plymouth said that it*vit allowing these titles, and th. tinguishing between bishops in a diocese and bislioae of a die eta:, they were I egielat ing against the natural use oflangusige. Why, it was the natural use of language to say that the aim of J eines the Se:emid was James the Third. They ihouhl legislate against the natural use of anything which intlietid a eneial wrong on the country, or a moral wrens on any in dividual or portion of the hotly politic. (Mar, hear.) 'lid= bill was c died a persecution and a restraint on liberty of coneci. ece, but how could that be called A twieseeetionwl . iich merely forbade a foreign potentate from giving territorial titles in this country? The hill was not a persecution when it was fleet introduced, and still less was it so since its muti lation by the right lion. gentleman the home Secre tary. It was a new plea that territorial titles were necessary to the development of spiritual liberty. This was not a plea brought forward during the passing of the act of 1/429. (Hear, hear.) Again, the were told that the bill would be inoperative. (Hear, heir.) Ile freely admitted that the measure in its present f o rm disappointed many persons who had looked for more strin gent neverthele., he still thought the iv siduc exceedingly valuable. (Hear, hear.) lle looked upon it as a solemn, national, and parliaments ' hea r protest against this papal aggression. (Hear, hear.) It was a record to be entered upon the Statute book, that the Pope's recent measures hail been de noune.ool by the Queen of England, her nobles, and her people. (Cheers.) Rim opinion was that an authentic document of that sort woo absolutely necessary. The pis lky of the court of Home. deeply insidious and worldly wise, was now to familiarise by all possible no a 1.5 the minds - of the people of this realm—first to the spectacle of an established, and then of a dominant church (Hear, hear.) Let any per.oll take up the newspapers of the day: every week he would SIX' advertisements of new and magni ficent sereices in all parts of the town. (Ironical cheers from the Irish members.) He did not deny the right to have such services, hut he quoted them in eon- Hicsion with the papal ageoeseion as a proof that the great object was to familiarise the minds of the people with the new order of thine, (Hear, hear.) M'ere they not struck with th • fmineney of ceeleeirietleal costumes in the street? Why, they might sec even the friar in his wild meth occasionally, and soon they would has e all the pomp of a cardindate and the pride of a titled hierarchy. Iu such a stets' of thine. , he thought they were bound, fur the guidance of the people, to place a record on the statute book, that it was all the work, and done in the behoof of is foreign power—(hear, hear)—of a foreign power whose dominion we utterly re pudiated and abhorred. (Cheers.) There was enoustli in the manner to excite English indignation,. but they must look further, they must see what was the real peril of the ease. There could not le a more dangennts error tle.n to believe that Rome was changed in character or that else had IWCOOW harmless and incapable. (Ileac, hear.) She hail eeperienced many vicissitudes, but her greatest efforts had always fidloweol her greatest prostration. ll.er history wits an es idenee of almost superhuman elasticity, springing into new sigmr utter every repels• and misfortune— (" hear, hear," and ironical cheers from the Irish mem bers)—and sure he was that those who spoke of her power with the greatest contempt were the likeliest to hesounte our easiest victims. (Cheers.) Lord Ashley then took a rapid view of the vicissitudes, the onward action, the un tiring energy, and the oppressive domination of the lioniish See, and urged the danger of affording to it+ spirit of encroachment the facilities of an organised hierarchy and eynodical action, which gave to the canon law its force and also its peril—a law that would alter many oblige thins, publie and private, in ' , Delete, law, and politics. He mica:tie:told that the bill before the house was inadequate. He believed it was. (Hear, hear.) But, being so, he re joiced that the people of England knew it, and that they would ascribe its weakness to the difficulty of coping with AO wily and tortuous an opponent. (Hear, hear.) They were now deliberating on that which had battled the wisest and most powerful monarchs, perplexed successive genera tions, and defied all law+ and el • "mui—the oast aril pro gress of papal domination. (' Hem., hear," from the Irish members.) It was difficult, he knew, but not the lees im portant, that they eleeild make the attempt how they were to died with this Protean power which represented in tuns every form of spiritual, episcopal, and temporal power. (Hear, hear.) It was spiritual in England, ecelesiumieal in Spain, and temporal everywhere. (Hear, hear.) It was democratic in Ireland, despotic in Austria, in Sardinia it terrified the minister, in Prince it coerced the go vernment at the election+, and in Italy they had it at one time denouncing liberty of conscience as an untenable dogma, while at :mother they had the Pups' himself declar ing that liberty of conscience ought to be guaranteed. (Hear, hear.) 'Yet this was the hinminge of infallibility. question was how to deal with this power hn this coun try ; but, by the blessing of God, they would deal with it. 'Hear.) They did not confide altogether in legislation ; hey triaged to the strong conviction and the firm attitude the people. (Hear.) What was now salted WAR a de• wive, not a coercive law. Penal laws were objectionable . principle and ruinous in practice. While Ireland re .mined under penal laws the spirit of protestantion in that country was heavy and asleep ; but the moment they were removed it ruse up like a giant refreshed, and was making more converts in a single year than the Roman entholies would make in England in a century. (" Ilcar, hear," and cheers.) What then, it might be asked, was apprehended ? This. A struggle was begin tt tt gin this country which the youngest man amongst us would not live to RN: terminated—the great and, perhaps, final conflict of antagonistic faiths. (Cheers, and cries of " oh.") Did they doubt this? (Hear.) If so, let them look at the con tinent—let them hook at the present state of scene of the aided empires in the world. (Cheers.) Then they would see old political sympathies being exchanged fur religions— then they would see that whatever was emoted to Rome, ' was held to he opposed to conservatism, to order, and to security, and a thing which must be violently put down. (Cheers.) Every thing seemed to be pre paring for a religious war.—Austria espousing the quarrels of th so e in Po p e, er, was annther Simon do sulij t irecent n liatT sty in Itoly— dfint, might ere big originate another crusade against the Waldensian Christians. France WAS also supporting papal tyranny in Rome, and persecuting protestants at home; and she, too, might seek for political aggrandisement under the pretext of religion. (Hear, hear.) This realm of England might stand alone in her resistance, hut whether or no she would not give way by submission—no, not for an hour. (Hear, hear.) The issue to the empire no man could feretell, but for ourselves (said the noble lord), happen what may, we will steed immovable on the foundations of that immortal faith which we have neither forgotten nor have nay disposi tion to surrender. (Hear, hear.) Mr. S. HERBERT said, neither Lord Ashley nor any other speaker hail attempted to show the connexion between the dangers anticipated and thehihl that was to provide against them. If any measure required the almost deliberation, it was one that involved the whole principle of toleration. When the bill was first brought in, the noble lord, in answer to the objection that it was not stringent enough, referred to the thrive which went to invalidate all grants and gifts made to these newly-created dignitaries by their titles, and assured the house that the measure was to be no sham, and yet afterwards they found that all the stringent clauses were to he withdrawn. If the right hon. baronet the Home Secretary was sincere in believing that the 2nd and 3rd clauses opposed a material objection to theworking nt the ltoman catholic faith, the government ought also to give up the first clause for what was the effect of that clause? The government professed nut to be acting in opposition to the principles of civil and reliMoue liberty, yet the find clause of the bill invalidated any docu ment testae; from any person taking a religious- title for bidden by the act of P42'). Suppose a Roman catholie bishop signed himself Archiepiseopie Dublinensis—that was a title not contemplated by that hill—was the ordination of priests by that person to be illegal, and, if so, were all mar riages solemnised by such priests to be illegal and the issue to be bastards ? as that what was contemplated by the bill ? He doubted whether there was not something more than repelling external aggression in such a measure, and whether it did not interfere with the civil liberties of this country. But, though this bill prohibited the title, the Roman catholic bishops would be bishops notwithstanding. No measure of this kind would prevent it. They had heard several definitions of the word toleration, and he had with great pleasure heard one sentence of toleration from his hon. friend the member for Oxford University (Sir It. Inglis)—(" hear, bear," and a laugh)—but that pleasure was moditiood very much when his hon. friend stated that the opinion tolerated must he one in which he agreed. (Much laughter.) He did not think that was the true principle on which Christian of t foot, toleration could be defined. Whether a man held religious the realm of England. People said it was partly the fault truth or religious error he (Mr: Herbert) cared not, so far of memlesia of the government that certain inkbagenees had as it affected the situation, 'whether it was one or the other been shown to the catholic episcopacy of helmet, that -the principle of toleration was this, that a man had a courtesies bad been shown to the clergy and meadow,' of right to hold the truth, or the error that he believed Ireland, that opinions had been expressed in deb u t, i n to he truth. lie admitted the unsocial tendency parliament, that silence was observed by a nold e f r i en d o f of the Roman catholic religion-he had seen much his three years ago at Rome when a supplied paper was of its evil influence in society, but he denied that they were said to hive been shown him which meanies' England; iud now taking the proper mode of dealingwith it. His tuition from these things it wag said they hod no right warn that they should tolerate all religions. We admitted to be surprised at what the Pope hail done, because he had to parliament all religions that were Christian. (Hear.) a right to expect that they would meet it with indifference. We boil an established church, but wo gave the fullest lie denied that any of these ground. were sufficient to 1 liberty and license to every form of religion under the justify the measures which had been adopted. lather the ' voluntary system. He preferred an establiehment, but it Pope thought the meaaures he proposed would not be aerie they thought a voluntary system wrong, that would be a able or out disagreeable to the government anti the 1.4 oplu reason for voting for this bill. He dim! not think it wrong, of this country, or he did not care whether they were though he preferred an established religion. Ile did not agreeable to the government and the people Of England. think the voluntary system wrong fur this reason, If he attached any value to the cleat of hie m ea .. that the established chard% could not cover the gums in this country, why did Inc not, in the thr, u ground, and the mint &ream form of Christianity years that had clamed between the of the conferred great bleaings on mankind. This country had fur alleged conversation with his noble (rived at Reim, some considerable tine past been mapped out into dioceses fur take steps to a-certain that ? Where was Dr. Wiselitan ? vicar, apostolic, and eight of these vicars apostolic had liven Was he not in England ? Had he not en uppoctunity of appininteed What, he should like to know, had been the having personal intereoume with his noble friend at the change as affecting our status, civil and religion-, by the head of the goveruntedt, and ascertaining whetie r the inn...- appointment of Roman catholic bishops ? The language sure which the Pope contemplated would or a niold not gin. in which these appointments had been made was referred to offence to the government and the pesiple of this ...u n i t y p and commented upon by prelims Teak( rs ; but it was a And, therefore, lie contended that its that conc... of pa.- well-known fact that eceleaiasties, when they were claiming malting was studiously avoided, it Wes t h e either temporal or ecclesiastical power, were very often iu papal authorities, or fer thew who advike.thal tin :r eau s to the habit of indulging in the language of exaggeration. shelter themselves under the pretext that t ktata- land ane. n Still he fully admitted that the manner in which the Pope's place which justified the papal gosisminent iu setae:se ; bull had been sent into this country was singularly offensive that the steps taken world not %woke iksice to the p.m.!. ..f to our protestant feelings. (Hear, hear.) But how Enaland. Well, then, this being an matoasien ni a Ibn i eu , were we to meet it ? It was said that the authority, what was the authority Ily wniede that astern ssien. ultinia ratio of the rippointment of Roman ea- was tnade ? It was an authority of an eminaiastinsal kt num, thole bishop; was that synodical action might be which had a double actinet upon the • Is of men. 1 lair, set up, and canon law introduced. But canon hear.) Now, he would nut enter into the question of tilts law had existed in this country since the Reforms simple theological diff reams between the pm .n. gain and tion. (No, no.) In Ireland, certainly, the whole of the the catholic church. With that, he held, they had canon law had been in existents: for a long series of years ; nothing at posent to do. The pi km...tams were and he asked whether it hail been found to clash with sincerely attached to their own chumps, they n either the civil law or the secular arm? lie might he told operied the differences in opining% of the:r c a tholic that the whole of the canon law had not been carried into brethren, and far Ike it from him to net •r • syl effect in Ireland. But why had it not ? Simply be- bible which would be painful nr run mount. r tn. their reli cause, as he apprehended, the people of that country ' ginus feelings. But surely the catholic church had a dill not want it: Why, then, was it feared that the double anme t. It was not merely a thenamains d body. het Roman eatholies of England should be unable to it was also it political and temporal haly. The character resist the introduction or tit• same law ? This lirought ietie of the catholic church wax-not a, cattrenli-tinguished him to the question of emenlical action ; and here he to but in acconlance with the dun. ester of all other should wish to inquire, whether it was iserinuely inteuded churches-a perpetual attempt to enc....ash upoa the tern by the present bill to prevent eynodical action Let the petal power and to mix itself up with temporal nevem house bear in mind that all the diuretics in this country at mint. Ile did not acquit other churches attic acme thing. present in Englund, except the established church, enjoyed Churches were corporate bodies, and coroorate ro s3 - noilical action, and that Vv. established church was deliacel naturally progressive. But there was this dare reuce he that right simply leamuse she was established. (Hear.) twee; the Reiman catholic church and the British church, Ile believed that to put down eyelash' was tanta- that the British church leetim and euded in the realm of mount to the myrmidon of free disemeion. Was the England, while th o church or Rome endea v our ed to synod of Thuds.... dangerous ? Why, Sir Robert Kane spread its authority in a circle, ever-winh alt over ilea Was the Principal of ono of the Irish colleges; and Christian world. - Well, then, what au , the action. thu did he quail before the terrors of the synod? No; he temporal and political action of that church Look to nobly defended the right of protestant and Roman catholic, tlieric countriess in which the catliel:c church was pre being brought up under the lame roof, side by side with dominant. Look to Portuied, to Spain, to Italy. each other, and instructed to the fullest extent. lie had Look, he was concerned to eny, also to Aust ria , read the speech of Sir It. Kane on this subject with great and they would find that wherever the cathelic chera t pleasure, and he was glad to find that the Roman catholic was alloweil to seize hotel of temporal atitherity, pupils in the colleges were increasing instead of diminish- influence was painfully exerted in moniressina t penical nag, notwithstanding the decree of the ',plod. (lAar.) power and privileges of the people. And thee. le. -.ad, some Now the right hon. baronet thin' member for the university nwasure was expected by the English in of Oxfard (Sir It. Inglis) liaa made several propesitions on mimics:of the steps adopted. That, ila man ki had had this subject. Ile had mcommended a negotiation with his eyes and ears open could for a lame it dispute. He Rome, and, failing in that, a bombardment of Cirita knew it had ben said by those who an-heed to keep up th e Vecchia ' • hut would we have Meru justi fi ed in the eyes of delusion that the agitation in this countr y Was ail agitation civilised Europe in proceedina to such extremities as these 1' of interested men, wishing to retain their temporalaaels. aunt Innen' of legmlation, it had been suggested front many was not at all the. Rponemenkus feelitta of the Eimt hide natien. quarters that, nn insult being offered, we should That Was au anoertion that it V..ns not worth while confine oure.thes to a protest against it; and 'ldiot course to answer. No man iu tide country, a hatevese might Is• his it might he that ac should releane ourselves front many opinion of the merits of thins bill, or of the teeessity of difficultha, and at least avoid the commencement of a con- doing anything-no Ulan who knew what Lad lean kteiott test fatal to the tranquillity of the country, and which, if on in this country-could entertain the slighteet tb.ulnt, er not undertaken with a more accurate knowledge of the would deny, that this agitation hail been a great mos meant exact nature of the question each which we had to deal, of the protestant people of England, ((':esers.) And, could only result in mortifying discredit to ourselyea. though he sail he viewed with respect and del' renee the (Hear, hear.) And what did the right lion. biennia the tenets and opinions of those who differ, el from him en the Secretary for the 'lonic Department say when supplying to religiose question, yet he must say that, attaished as he the homse reasons why this bill should not be sleeted ? Was to the British constitution, mad to tie• liberty and lie said distinctly that in resistance of papal presuinptions freedom of action and thought whieh Is tonged to that and aggressions he rested his defence, not on any legislation constitution, he should be sorry indeed that :env thing should such as this, but no the unalterable and deep protestant take place whieh should check the peliticel and 'lomat:cut sentiments of the people of England. This bill, said the establielimeuts of the kingdom in which he hap the happi , right lion. baronet, is nothing more than in the nature of a seas to live. He said that the voice of the es ogle of hug protest against the papal aggreenion. Wt.'', then, if this gland required that suinestleing Minute' be donna (hear.) were so, ally did the government not propew a protest His right hon. friend said that whet they we n• morning instead of proposing tttt ? The gore-mm.ln had pre- was not the proper thing to do. If laguitifersteenl at all the ferred an attempt at legislation, and let them now look at vague suggestions-(hour)-which his right hon. friend the perple•xities into which they had plunged themselves, threw out, he should infer that what he would have ',reposed 1 with a bill to carry, all the clauses of which, one excepted, would have bees ?a.m . negotiatiou with the court of Rome; they lead themselvea already been compelled to, abandon, he averred it was not right -he thouttlit it aboird -tu legislato having a preamble ineutliciait and a title inadequate, against our own subject., but he presumed he did not me an and with the probability le•fore them that, certain amend- ling. were to legislate against the Pope. If lie thought mints beim: pressed, they would le. compelled to vote against their laws would not be obeyed I.y thenteaves, surely to their ow-n measure. (Hear, hear.) And this was solely did not int:mine they would hate much form at Rome. because the government chose to affect legislation when His right hon. friend properly repudiated the id a that had they ought to have confined themselves to declaration. been thrown out by some that they should have sent some They scanted to strike a blow at the Pope. But did they ? hoetile armament to Rom ugrennl with hint that No:the hlow struck at the Englieh Roman catholics. (Hear, papal bulls were not to he properly met I.v cannon balls. Ile hear.) It was nut clay to legislate against a foreign thought the dignified and primer course ins the country to emereign in all eases ; hut in this case there were means take was to le•gislate fur themnelves. mid not to go to the, of doing so. In ordinary cams they had diplomacy, Pope and say, " You have done that a pact we minnieler a and that failing, they had only warfare to resort to; great affront, you have done that which e ac m e item as a hut, as retorted the Pope, there acre menus of great 'Fellation of our national hide/tend-me, and as all precaution against aggression ; and these means had not infringement of the sovereignty of our country, there yet hem tried. But on the threshold here they were met, fore, we come, cap in laud, no you, to retract no doubt, by a vast eibetaeles- a prejudiced public opulent. what you have don.., or to nullify it." In what a The people of England had become certainly bilerant and humiliating position would they have been in under averse to religious perneution on account of religious such circumstances. Still he wan quite randy to admit that opinions. They were, beyond all question, strongly op- it would have been very ineonsintent with the mum which posed to any retrogression to pea l enactments, being, he either the members of this aoyernment er the maniere or believed, deeply imbued with the true and gentle spirit of the legislature hail pursued if they had prep.-ell to parlia the gag's.). They saw in the Roman catholic went a bill which could have b e en justly called system an imperiling in imperio - a government a penal or a le rsecuting eel:echo-M. Ile must in side by side with the state, which did involve passing my, that when he saw letters and &tiara dangers and disturbances to the community, and thins emanating front catholic ecclesiastics epeaking against which, in smue method, they were denirous of taking of fanaticism and persecution and i.....lerance,, that a vague presoutimi. But they were emphatically opposed whim they looked to the cosmic of prom-miner in regard to to nll pereeention. The people of England, how-ever, went toleration which lin:railed iu countri., a here the totholiC thus far ;-They will "You must have no commuideution priesthood were dominant, he hoist say phut legsecution whatever with the Pope." The moment it was suggested and intolerance were words that lie thought u eatholic pre to enter into diplomatic relations; with the court of Rome, late ought most studiously to eschew. (1 tear, hear.) Ent in order that the ecelesiastiesal arrangements made by Rome he, fur one, ucver would le. a party to what ea del be pro in reference to Euglandshould always be preliminarily sub- le fly called a penal enactment, aunt he utterly nln weeded that mitted to the English government, the cry arose-" 'l'unch the hill they had proposed had :thy thing 4.0 that not the unclean beast." They then asked the government character. In poilit of fact the bill es.. mc.lay ta-e to do that which it was not possible for any government to minplement of minnuris which forineil 1. net of la. and not until three preliminary precautions were takeneould eniancipation of the Catholies. The bill ofteal inroailnit. I they avoid the dangers with which the relations of England catholic prelates from taking the titles of see, et any disea • to Rome were ourrouteled. They might pass trumpery acts or province which balonge to the English estalkiishin. al. of parliament -(hear, hear) ; but they would never, in this Whether it was incident or not the law omitted to extend way, make any inipressiem upon that part of the Roman that prohibition to other elacts a Rhin the realm. Why catholic system which wets hostile to their government. was that law to be cukesidereel an a niere mete taloa to tho (Hear, hear.) Al! such acts of parliament had but this English church ? Ile would not aceept it on effect-they gave to the Roman catholic, the prestige of the limited a grouted us that. lie held the law of persecuted, and to the moteatants the disgrace of the peram InasJ to be a defence of the sovereign rights of tutor. (Year, hear.) Nothing WWI So fatal as a Amu the country -he held that lair to be into what pereecution. (Hear, hear.) And what, after all, if aunt justified on the ground that they would not is rant a this bill, intended to appease the prelatical feeling of foreign potentate to give to any prism a tith tap: .-,a film England, should turn out to have a directly contrary any place within the United kingdom; all I therm-:;ire ho effect ? Moat undoehtedly this hill was it step backwards. held that the bill they were now poyasing a.n in principle llt was idle to talk of nosh &Maas a deChinition of the people precisely the same as the act of 1ti:19„ and that it referrod iof England. Au address of both houses to the Queen might to matters which were omitted from that yet : and be have been properly aceopted as such a national &duration. could not refrain from expressing hi, utter sad ex- But the real pretext was in those meetings which had theme surprise that any perant who was a party been held over the country. (near.) Those meetings to, and supporter of that act “bouhl, on min im' sent up petitions and addresses sigma" by eiple, object to the niewsure now piatinned. Ho thousands and by millions. Did the men who signed these contended that this bill was in principle exately upon tho want parliament to enact that the bishop of one place wine ground as the measure which formed dart nits the ar should continue to call himself by the title of another ? No, ringemente of ernanCipatioU. Ile contended further. that, they meant to deslare that the Roman catholic religion is living upon the manse ground as that measure, it ..0411.1 not making progress in these realms, and that they desired to justly be deemed as tau-taking in any degree of a penal sec some stem taken to impede it. The people of England or persecuting character. It Yves said that the catholic had dealt with this as a religious and not as a political church required officers of the rinds of binitops. Why, thr question. And a peculiarity in all these protests of the 2.10 y e ars and more the catholic church fu this ceiwary had people of Englaud was this-that they asked gone on with vicars-apiatolic, and he had yet to hear for no penal enactments whatever. (Hear, hear.) the reakon assigned why that state of things milt not The right him. gentleman, after some remarks of a similar still have gone on. Therefinse he contend-1 that the MA character, expressed his conviction of the strength of the sum they haul proposed applied el: mealy to tho English people iu their protestant faith. Ile would only add evil fur which a remedy was demanded. ft nn t tho that it was perfectly true that the Roman catholic faith had of ease for which it was proposed, and it would not preclude late made great progress in England. The right lion. gentle- the legislature of this country fr o m taking any other nu a man then admitted that great changes in opinion hail token suns, if other measures should be required, w hich ho place, and, iu reference to recent events in the church of trusted never would he. He thought the Ink :Inure adequate Englund, expressed his regret at the defalcation which had to the evils which were complained of. (Cheers.) occurred. But his belief was that the affections of the On the motion of Mr. 11. BEIMULLY the debate was English were never more firmly fixed upon their reformed then adjourned till to-morrow (Thursday.) faith Onus ut this moment. It was his firm couviction that the doctrines of the church of Rome were foreign to the The other orders of the day were then ostponed, and genius of tire English. (Hear.) He did not believe that the him at a quarter after r , iteljournol till hainurreve (this day) this country, with her free institutions and her free scope for the exercise of private judgment, would ever succumb to an influence which controlled the freedom of thought. They head upou the faith and the freedom which they had inherited from their forefathers, and over them he believed that nothing eould prevail. The right hon. gentleman concluded by exhorting the government to meet this aggression in the only way in which it could be met-by the strength of their mot scant ductrines-by the force of education-and by the spread of tho gospel, letting in light where darkness existed, and then rest confident that in the end truth must prevail. Viscount PALMERSTON said at that late hour he would detain the house but for a short time. There was a just portion of the speech of his right hon. friend wh o h a d just sat dolma which belonged more proper) a committee than to the present stage of the bill, /, hear)-and there was also some portion of it which would bw worthy of further and future consideration on the part of his right hon. friend, who, perhaps, might decide some questions that appeared now undetermined in his mind. The first was, what would be himself do in this matter, object ing as he did to what the government had pro posed ? The next question upon which he would have them come to a decision, was whether this hi obwilln"p.a.acrtatnlitaatlisti)ne. eorheabaped Thee had u a tio se n ett in li t e hrt n lt s use *ed h o e n hi l l never listened to discussions with greater pain than to that upon which the house was now engaged. lie had hoped that those angry discussions and coutroversies concerning I w ili t e p a thr r i t e l n, Vl l?i i pTi t l h .,.. i c it ipi t co la bf e th a toa ulls tichadr : ti f otb,, par tn liam meoreta C i ll yb : lis , fur he wilh-reee doctrinal point, and of catladies led dissenters would never again d t b :ti not elate 1 greater principle of religious freedom, which was so per fectly identified with the institutions of the couutry, that he had hoped no more of such discussions would be heard hi. act of aggres ,owiucoilithrent i i t n endf b r t i,o u h imr t: e e w ih :e a w aract le him a f l il o s e , rr le ign e ß lf n an at f at o o w a read u h itnt :E ioc u tr p hii f tq a . , n i ul :c i .respe t tl a acjingr an it l u i p e an woul t d he „y in it d , e , n a o , n a d s en a t fort so is r n e a r u eilu wit o y f thathtisheco:n only wiecotuliury7d; which ho though t it was their bounden duty to repel. to the act which the rope had attempted to exercise within TURNPIKE TitusTs AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE.—The committee now sitting on thy applications of the various turnpike trusts throughout the kin4doni for a renewal of their local acts, have received a report from thu Secretary of State, to the effect, that it having been repro sinned to hint that considerable saving of VC1.1.91A, in these mutters might he effected by preliminary inquiries, he has caused such inquirie: to be instituted into the eireunustancts of each of the 14 trusts applying to parli,atent this session. In conducting the several inquiries, and in endeavouring to effcet equitable arrangements between opposing parties, Sir George Grey states that he has been desir o us to recommend, a s f a r as practicable in each case, that a I:u•tion of the an nual income of each trust should be applied to the rAlenap [ion of the debt at present existing, so that the trust may be in a borer financial condition annually, with a prospect of being entirely relieved of it. ,Lbt Ili early as possible, without imposing any additional burthens upon the parishe4, or the public travellers. AsSENT OF THE ADMIRALTY \\ - TTtIITET.D: The Lords of the Admiralty roport that they must withhold any assent to the following applimtions to parlitin mt, via., L'astlemaine liarlrour Bill, Ennis Dow ers Bill, ilolyhcall . Railway or Tramway Bill, Poultiasherry Embankment Bill, Stroad and Dover Railway Bill, end Th.. am and Medway Conservancy Bill, until an ha , been athird, d them of having the schemes locally pa;. gigged. In each of these schemes they state that fl used a loc 11 preliminary inquir2r necessary to cn•tu:, tlr it to re , port to p•.rliarnent on their merits, unit the promoters %c ern called on to make a deposit to cover the (even., ,if such examination, with which requesttheyhut 0 fail .a , n comply, , though two applications hare been made to theca fo; that purpose. FLAX CrLTITATION IRELINIL—The annual [tax 'swing of Ulster averages 50,000 acr, z. Fur the vebt of Ireland it is but 4,000. Supposing each of the other pro- ViWcw to cultivate flax as extensively 34 11-ter, th, value of the crop fur all Ireland would, it is estintsit, d, be 1,500, 91 . 61 . Here is a " text for thinkers," and a " t tor wore tluut table-talk."—Dublia Evening Exj.wsr.