The Express. — London, England, 1857-07-18 00:00:00

• but it appesesdey their We Ws*, that this cannot be the of thek *Oaths to the not sere ; Demme the last Clanks sing supported by the whole authority and weight of thegovernment—had a majority of 140 votes in its femur open the decisive test of Its prima*. (Chem.) It is obvious that we may send a bill neat yea to the 110U20 of Lords, sad the nest year mother ; but if so large a marity se that In sot to prevail in the House of Lords, there to no shame that sucks bill will be acoeptedby the Housed Lords. (Hear. bear.) Let me say, however, that em them bills sp. rated to take the shape of • change in the law, and ea the last bill we sent up proposed a change Is the oaths ts be taken by members of this house, it was un dont:deity within the tomtit-ahead functions of the Home of Loris to refuse to sanction it. (Bear, hear.) But, sir, the meaticm with occurs to me, and, I think, the house will agree not unnaturally, is, whether the City of London is to be *idled with the present state of their representation, or whether, on the other hand, they see lobe satisfied with their defeat =this occasion ; or, thirdly, whether there is any other course that can be adopted in the matter. ((leer, hem ) Now, it he• occurred to me that there is soother course. (Hear, hem.) The house Is well aware that the Lew now for two centur'es has declared end acknowledged that person* in courts of justice ought teke an oath in any term binding on their conscience. That was an opinion declared to have been given in 1617, and on the proposal of the late Lord Den man • bill was peewit which is now an act of refitment. namely, the let and 2nd Vic., e. 108, by which all persons in courts of justice, and on any occasion whatever are to take an oath in the form binding on their consciences; and such persons falsely swearing 'hall be liable to all the pains and penalties of perjury. (Hon, heir.) But although that set is declaratory of the meanies of the bee, there is an ambiguity about the words "On any occasion" which are eon bdined in it. (Heir, hear.) it is doubtful whether any authority is rase* than the superior courts of justice,=hat I w* to propose is, that this ambiguity should be cleared up; that it ahead he &elm* and enacted that is the High Court of Padiament, as well as elsewhere, end on all other occasion, the oath to be administered by the lawfily twosome* shall be taken is the form moat b= upon the partyM be sworn. (Hem) Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY rem to order • the noble lord was speaking to • motion on the parrs far the nght, and was thereby learly violating thee*, of the house. Lord J. RUSSELL—If it is not competent fur me to go on, I shall proper to conclude by moving that this home do now adjourn, with the view of enabling the government to state what they will do on this question. (Hear.) Sir H. WILLOUORBY —With eery regret for thenoble lord, I moot sulomit my question of order to the *M. The SPEAK ER—Will the hat. *oust be mod asongh to state the point of enter again. Sir H. tVILLOUOIIBY—A motion stands new ton the vapor foe to-night in the man of the noble lord; it le for leave to ietredoce a WI is reference to • certain Omuta there earned. Now it appears to me that the noble lord's bringing up that question now in an beesederity. (Hear, hear.) Mr. M ALPOLE— I rather think, AT, your predeomeor la the chair abeam, laid it down as • rule that although we de- Vimuch from the ordinary rule in debating the motion e house at its rising shoedl adjourn till Monday. yet it was always considered that it was not competent for any member to take advantage of that motion to ',peak on any other motion or order on the paper for the day. The no* lord, hews err, now prove* to make dedlitr motion. Hs proposes to mum the adjourn:neat of the house at once, as an amendment to the motion before the chair. Lord J. RUSSELL—No ' I said I might do no. Mr. WALPOLE—WeII, certainly, upon that motion the so* lord would sot be in order; and am ho cannot, there fore, put himself Is order by moving it, I submit that, in this debate, we are incurring the risk of falling W u zu mg est irregularity. Mr. 111ALIN8 nsearked upon the Int r us e ticoof continuing the dimension epos the noble lords bi seeing that many member, who took a interest in it had ft the house under the Impression that the robe:et could not be taken out of its order. The SPEAKER—On the question of order, I mod, is the Brat rare, remind the hours of the extreme inconvenience of the coarse which has been pursued this evening. (Hear, hear.) All kinds of Mph* Live leen discussed upon the mot* that the house at its rising do seljourn until Monday neat and that course, I seed scarcely remind hen. members, creates confusion in the diseuseces in this house that is greatly to be depreosisd. (Hese, hear.) As roger& the question which has been addressed to the their by the boa. baronet the Dumber for Evesham (Sir H. Willem •,), I believe there cannot be any doubt that so soon imperative dug devolves upon mo than that of obesewiag the order of Ded uces as laid before the Wass be the votes for the day. (Hear, hear.) Certainly, the', my minks is that es the mamboed has given notice of • motion Sir tilde mad* it fa miter going beyond the boa*. of reside*, to anticipate that motion upon the mid* that the hew at its riming do ad=until Monday me. (Hear.) J. RUSSELL said, with verged tithe puint of order, In the come of this very evening boa. mermleve on the op position side of the home led masted into questions which more peopeely hats to the asetedttse of supply. His right hon. *had theYhet Lord of the Admiralty had mem ber* the peethe of abating tech matters on the motion Sir adjourn**, and immediately afterwards followed it himself. ("Hem" snit • laugh.) Having been milled by shot high atztliordy—(aknik)—it was now only fair that he should be elbowed to slats that ha bad a practical object in sire, from which he woad net to diverted. (ll*, hear.) The prettied object ma, semposimt the house cemented to his bringing in his lath would - the First Lord of the agree to sot apart • goverment day fur its comatize imma l (Hoar, Lear.) It was obvious that unless that wen doss there was no chance of the going up to the House of Lords this emotion, and than Mr. Dillwen's motion would be brought forward, which might imam the home in a serious collision with the House of Leda. (Hear, hear.) It was, therefore, well worth their while that they should have an answer to his question ; and, to atf ord the noble lord an opportunity of giving it, he would conclude with moving that this home do now adjourn." Mr. T. BUNCOMBE thought the noble lord was in error when he =dd be had a wrung to complain of on the part of hi. re nstitumits There was nothing on the journal (litho how°, there was no record to show that • fourth amber wes returned for the City of London, because Baron Rothschild hal not attempted during either this or the Let perlianuent to take Wilmot. Mow then could it be said that one of the members for the City of London was unable to take hie seat? They had no right to assume what the house would do until he had suede the attempt. It wee quite possible that the house would decide differently to the former how, and he therefore thought the member 'timid come to the table before any further Map wee taken. Let Baron Rothschild cense to the table and take the oaths in the manner meet binding on his eonsieure, omitting the words, " On the true fleitb of a Chrielan," end then it would be compe tent for any bon. gentlemen to more a resolution to the effect, that having taken the oaths in the form meet binding on hie COlLVinlee, he should be immediately eligible to take his seat. (Heir. le sr.) He voted for such •ma 'WU= in a former pm Liam tit, and he wee quite ready to support it now. Lord PALMEIHITON—With regard to the question of my noble friend, all I can may is, that of course I pre- Berne tht h,tine would, es matter of courtesy, whatever the o itself zoiniwomneyoLlitzen friend leave to y i on . hi th i e o ree l ott to giving him • day afterwards, be must madder tha r t.t7e are many very important matters Mill under diammeion in the house; that oar days are, 11:1 I may my, numbered ; end that therefore it it impossible for me, until the public Weiner shall Amery in a more decided manlier, to state that we can giro to any hon. member • day for any bill which he may tli.ok at to bung in. I fear that answer will not be satisfac tory to my noble friend, bet it is all that at present I can in duty say. TUE ISTHMUS OF SUEZ.. . _,,...-- .. __..... Mr. GRIF Fill!, purulent to notice. then rose to call the attention of the hone to the one...tea whether, in their deli- lranto opinion, it be conducive to the honour or the interests of thin country that wo should manifest and avow the exis tence of a jealous hostility on our part to the project of • ship canal thrones the Ist hmus of Sure ; or whether on the contrary, it world not be more in accordance with the dm- Tyler for disinterroted impartiality which we seek to main tain, if we were to leave that init, withou t to be dealt with by the natural physical and t alike which rarroon4 its executice? Lord PALMERSTON then proceeded to shah fa hewer to Mr. Griffith, that the propeeed project of • 'hip maid thrangh the Isthmus of Suez war, in his opinion, bleall• siment with the policy and intense of this counay—(besr, late) —in a political point of view, sepicially with tepid to our indien poem seions. If there wen • great Mit cowl domicil the Stee isthmus, other maritime powers with whout es might cone into collision would have an nearness start before England. (Hear, hear.) Besides, the project wan one tending to the eeparetket of Turkey and igypt—• policy which the French 'overhang had loyally dhovowed at the Peris mufreenc. t. With regard to the In an secineering point of view, =tog an la het when money and shoos wars at head, of the nutter as • commercial speoalation, he timid ha hers correct when he characterised it en • hear anseks ea one of those babble rompanies which hew Newsy be. the poekets of English alphabets and gave the. let keg In return. Mr. R. STEPHENSON mid that, with most to ongi seeing ditficaltice he might my that he had beim sum us whole ground, and had farmed an opinion on the solfou. The toot of Why taken at the time of the French involon of Egypt, in INN, stated that there watt a diaries botwom the. I-eel of the Red Sea and the lleditereassea ef Xt tat. Limon Bey het, there/ern waggemed that the she of Ptolemy should be cleared oat, that by our of it an opening between the two seas Shield ha mode. Alma this veil it was eakuldid Ili the tame, of level would ems • Ate rumba at the eels of foot ohm so boar, • rob meat to keep the meal wowed, hot sot to drag Go to pee mo the transit of ateancvemale both sod *MIL St said bin the maitre helloing that the alt et Ina azithed. no French engineers, however, with wham be we imeselen made free obeervations Impel the diffemnce of the levels, they diametral that no d , florenes is reality eziseed, sod Shot the woli.l had for fifty years laboured wader • sm. When the true Mete of the as we dawn, pea them ma whom he acted mow to the severe—a INm fining' in whirl' be massed—thet the protest gm not • small the. (fhm. bear.) ethos that time ha had head ewe the isthmus, and seasidered the pnakshary of mho( a earl, ad he hid same le the semiedea that weal • plea ents—die huh net my • • hoard on sot hishis, bad at Yost one although sm. =oporoloso Welt 0141110311141 its di , eon on we is • prectioal point of view. (Cheers.) PRESENT STATE OF INDIA. Xt. DIVIABLI not Mots' noittlootoi to lb AO Of THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 18, 1857. would venture to predict that in two, or at meet three p.m, the whole munificent scheme of Indian railways might be nompleted. (Hear, bear.) In Madras the railway engineers had e..n counteracted in every way by the Company's inspector, although labour was so plentiful that he hal obtains,' 20,000 men et 3 , 1. a day each, and he spoke in the highest terms both of their docility and gill. Whenever ho made requisitions, they had to pun through a moat tobous aoceession of formalities from the council in Calcutta, to the Court of Directors in London. thence to t h e Bused of Control, and from the Board of Control back again, ea that antler this miserable system of routine the word reeve." wee coin pktcly obliterate I from the national Cautionary. (Hear, hear.) In the etas of the &hide Itailwey, vain, the peu ject had been started throe years' since • 332.0001. Capital bad been p up, and as yet not a tom' bad been turned, while 1340,0001. remeined idle in the coders of the "loot India Company. Ileshould net detain the house with tltedetailiof what he supposed would be sneered at u a mere practical question, but let it bo remember vs' that the neglect of mere practical questions had led to the leastem in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) In India, ho believed that if this practical queetion had been settled the prevent alarmiug revolt would have been crushed in the bud. (Hear, hear.) Ile hoped the house would appnach thin Tteetion with a 4.tertniuetion that the capital which had been raised for the construction of Indian railways should nut be idle in the coffers of the East India Company. Ile believed that ail that wan required was, that the present ridiculous aytacm of obstruction should be removed, end that the money subeenhed should be expended on the purpme intended. The hon. member concluded by moving—"that the slow pntgrets of the East Indian railways involve; danger to the military occupation of India, and re tard. the development of the indutarial resources of that entojecte which had been brought before the hour —(a lough)—would venture at Let to bring forward hie share. The noble lord (Palmerston) had rid that their days were numbered, but he reminded him that their duties were multi pied. Ile did think thee the bones would vacate its functions and plea itself as regarded the country in a mat ign amideea positiou if the prevent reran were to close with out there being • debate =la ducession in that house en the affairs of India. lle thought it their fleet duty to outrider the rate of our Indian mature. (lire, bear.) He bad underiatood from the right hon. gentleman (Mr. V. Smith) that certain of the papers—those papers which contained • mere merrier of whet had taken place—would in the rune of the day be laid on the table. But se regarded the other papers, which were to give information as to what had occurred before the outbreak fur some menthe previously, they had been told that no warning of the impending mutiny had been given to the rvernment. Now, if the government were marching among its erehives for this warning—(a laugh)—the house might wait to no purpose, laud be told at the toot moment that the search was fruitier. 'Tree, therefore, without welting fur thew letter rs pape, he thought that the houae, having bufore it anarrative of wl at bad occurred, ought at .nearly day to prooeal treks nto it. deep and Senolllll considerstion the affairs of India. The noble lord the member for Louden (Lori John Hurt') seemed the other day rather inclined to smear at the neeerity for die:urine tine question, nod to think that all to be considered wan bow to put the out break down. But he would venture to soy thee it was totally impossible that the hour could form any idea an to whether the slope to be taken by the government were adequate to the emergency of the ear, tinier they knew something of its origin tied ranee. (Ileac, hear.) They bad ben told that the rising "prang from • aupposed Moult to the euperstitious forting,. of the n dire. If that were so, prompt sod energetic but to a certain event superficial measures might meet the case. But if the caner of the outbreak were deeper, then mea sures ef a far different character would be required. 'tenet in dirt-ring the subject the house mnst of nervily take a wide view of the causes which her led to the recent outbreak. (Hear, hear.) He proposed on the earlier we Won which wee conairent with due notice to the hoest, and sit% the convenience of the government to aek the hour t consider the primer rendition of India—ffret, with mead to the dale of the recent outbreak; and secondly, with regard to the question whar ber the means taken by tee government to quell the outbreak were efficient. Ile would propose to the noble lord that he should It. some day, RA early as parable, fur the consideration of this question. lle should, en that occasion, make a meotion, not conceived in hostility to bee Majesty's government—not with • view to any party triumph, but with a view of pleaung before the house those ideas which occurred to himself and others, on a aulject which he feared was one of the most moteenteue of our time. In conclusion, he would suggest that this day week be given to tho matter. Lord PALSIERSTON—Sir, I am quite ready to adinit the pofi , lol2 which the right hon. gentleman ham Ned down—that it would be expected by the country that this hour should, bare it separate', give its attention seriously to the present state of the affair. of India. At the Patllo time as I mid on a former merino, I should think that the house would wish, at all events, to have the papers, that honourable members ma raid them before the debars, My right he friend the President of the Board of Control has bra looking through the papers, and he has made a selection which will be sufficient to rive every intimation. Theme papers are now in type. The right hon. gentleman euerteets Friday neat; I, however, suggest the probability that during the next 'reek there will be a mad in front India, which cannot foil to bring tidines of tweet impor tance. I therefore submit that Monday week will be the better der% and, if accepted, I will take care that it shall be rewerM4 for this queetion. Mr. DISRAELI accepted the offer of the noble lord to fix Mowry week as the day for discussion. Me. ROEBUCK asked the right hon. gentleman, who maid he should propose certain resolutions, whether duo adies would be given daunt Mr. DISRAELI did not wish to bind himself se to the terms of the moths. He would frankly say, however, that it would not be hurtle to the government. Anticipating that the government would not gave all the papers he should re quire—(elwers)—he had thought of movior for additional paper, ; but inasmuch so it would appear that the pawn were not to be limited to those to be laid on the table that night he did not know whether the further papers would contain the requisite information. tionntry.' Mr. V. mid that as regarded the impediments alleged to bo thrown in the way of railway projects by the govirrmont of India, it should bo recollected that the bitter gave a guarantee of live per coot. on the money invested, and that, therefore, it was very natural they should exereissmome impend/inn over the expenditure of the money. (Hear, hear.) In some cease he believed it had been expended in a meet lavish manner, and this made a little supervision ail the more necessary. Railway padres for India commenced in 1t419, and since the Bast India Company had given gua.an teen of 30,230,00 N., and that guerantav amounted to a very serious, charge on the revenues of the company. No danger nerd be apprehended to our military operation in India on neeetuit of the railways. The Indian government were not open to reproach on this question. They had tun fined theumelvca to certain trunk hum, which were progress lag mart satisfactorily. Bo far from the Indian government wishing to keep the money in their h►nde, they would njoire if the railway companies would remove it, and proceed with the railways as, fast es possible. The delay in the pro Treas of the railwaye was owing entirely to the companies them wives, for the East India Cowpony woo willing to allow them to proceed at any rate they stashed. The question we. one of private enterprise, in which the house was nut called upon to soterfere. Mr. CRAUFURD beliove,l the romplaints of the hen. member to be unfounded, The railway with which he (Mr. Craufurd) woo connected had undertake to construet a line about 1,100 mile. in kagth. The evetrait was entered Into with the Heat Indio Company in 1819. In 1851 the first pardon of land wee greatest. In 19.13, not lees than 129 mike of railway were opened. There were at pre sent in active eonstruetion 900 mike. During the het year the amount expended un construction wad 1,700,000., of which sum 823,0001..1a for permanent way and bridge... Besides these payments. nearly a quarter of a million had been laid out in the parches) of redo and other heavy ma!o. There wee no ground for statinv either that the railway minipanic, were aelerp or that the Emu India COM - pray were in the slightest deges. atmeedeo to the IaIWIP which had been brought against them. But he agreed with the hon. member in rendouniing the system of eeper eta= exercised In India, which was in some respects per hotly ridiculous. (Hear, hear.) Mr. OILPIN considered the explanation of the right hon. gentleman the Secretary for the Board of Control highly satiefietory. and trusted the hon. member for Yarmouth would not pre.. his amendment to n diva eiun. (Hear.) Mr. Al RTON said that in addition to the 1,000 miles under conetnetiou in Bengal, there were, in thecowse of eon stmetion, wen Bombay, 224 mike; fri= Madras, 300; from Surat, 100; and 2,000 mike additional hail been euzveyed. It wee wrong to say that the government in India had leen rein= with respect to railways. On the contrary, it was of so weak and vacillating a character, that it inn inter the danger of °entangling railway. with too much rapidity and without due 'Nerd to the beet intereste of India. Mr. MAUI said the extension of railway communiestion in India was intimetely =lanceted with the development of the reamwrica of that country, and he did not think the ex tension had teen very rapid. The Great Indian Peninsula. Company's bill waabrought in in lit-, but mil not proceeded with on account of the oplasitien of the Feet India Com pany, and remained in aboyence till 1845. The contract was completed in lett., but in 1097 only eighty-tight miles of that railway had been opened. One of the greatest wants of India was ferility of oomniunication, which was on de fective that the costal the conveyance of cotton waisomething like doable the teat of its cultivation. Mr. WILLOUGHBY cautioned the het= against billet ing that the number of miles which had actually 110-12 opened during the last six yearn and a half was any Index to what would - be the cam in the time to come. 110 lieliesed that the PULP PARCHMENT. Mr. DI LLWIN - italea - tie - iit . e;;tit;tl - ef the honeo to the manufacture of pulp parchment, and inquired of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer whether the manufacture of that article we. allowed to continue, pending the decision of the Court of Exchequer, as to whether or nut it was paper ; end, if so, under what conditions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that ' the manufacture wee to be allowed to proceed on the home of the wanutectunir keeping an account end undertaking to pay duty if foiled liable. The motion fur adjournment woo withdrawn. The original motion that the house at its tieittz adjourn to Monday was alaved to. THE LAMBETH ELECTION. Mr. 'NMILI moved that Joseph Train., then in cus tody of the Serjeent-at-Ano., be &wharfed without pay ment of fee.. The ivitnees had now been confined for four ohm, and there appovred to be some mitigating eireunistanece ating hi. case. Mr. ROEBUCK thought that he deserved confinement • few days longer. Ho would not however oppose the motion. Agreed to. STATE OF OCR DEFENCES. On the motion for going into committee of supply, Mr. BENTINUK rolled attention to the elcoreations he had slready made upon this subject ; mid that hie statements had not been referrel to by the noble lord, and concluded by saving that as nothing had tnuippired to alter his views, he should at the earliest opportunity bring the subject under the consideration of the how. Lord PALMEItSTON said that so many questions bed been brought before thallium on the motion for adjourn ment to Monday, that he had, he admitted, forgotten to notice the statements of the hon. member. He could not agree with the hon. gentleman in thinking the country we. in • defeneekee state; on the contr.ry, Le was of opinion that we were quite secure from any unforeseen attack, let it come from where it might. With regard to calling out the militia, he ennoeived that such a step was wholly unneces sary, and that its only effect would be to mute • large SUM of money, and put the country to • great dual of very melons inconvenience. (Hear, hear.) When the bon. gentleman brought the matter before the bowie he trusted that he be able to meet the remarks which the hon. member might see fit to make. _ THE INDIAN QUESTION. _ _ _ system punned in India with regard to rail Mine Moo the moat perfect that could be devised, smiting ea it did, private enterprise with the trontrol and supervieon of tho govern. mutt. Well, would it have. been if in this country u similar system bed been pursued ; we should not then have so men' which did not afford an adequate return for the capitil expended upon them. (Cheer..) The amendment woe then negatived, and the Speak& left the chair. On the fiat vote, 500,0001 for the Persian war, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCllligl" ER said thit after the long debate on the previous evening, it would not be expeetad of him to enter again into the question of the policy which boil been putout,' with regard to rasa. The Persian war had been mainly a war to main tain the indepeedenie of the town of Herat, whieh had been recognised, not merely by her Majesty's resent government, ' but by many successive goventotents, a. a cardinal Mimi in oriental politica. When, therefore, the independem e Ilerat wee threatened, and when the town bud been at tually occupied by Persian troops, the government felt justified in instructing the Indian government to mend an expedition to the Persian Gulf. But for our Indian possessions, the occu pation of Herat by Perlis would Imes been a enter wholly unimportant to this country, a malice not more directly con cerning English interests than the enriqueide in Central Africa by the King of Titubuetisi or of Dahomey. The government would therefore have been justified in fuLloaing the precedent of the Afghan war, and of throwing the whole expeeso upon the Indian Treasury. Looking, however, at the general politico of they felt justified in anieeteadmg to repay to the Indian government one halt of the eateasednery expense of the war, in tbo event of parlia. went easellesig that strangeinent. He need bunny say that the unietteliks °idle government wan entirely condi tional upon Ike meat 14 . ent; and if, therefore, the house was peapend to the engagement, it would be come its thitybe repay the hey government the 'manor. lion stipend. No time bad been tined for the repayment. At that memo* there was actually n considerable aunt due to the Had labs Company on account of the last Chinese i l ltr wa :tfbeea to an d for it a w vo ul tU l i bQ n ardor e d. t ' . ' i t , y .l: ' - f ie h t is ta b t " re ..end count. bear. Ile woe happy to say that it would in lobe esly an adjustment of Recounts, inasmuch as &ilea India Comp-my owed the government a emu equal Sir that which they claimed; but nevertte leas it wan a fat bat the old Chinese war itecount could net be fluidly ad =without a vote of that house. (Hear, hoar.) Early erasion, before be wan able to (am soy praise view of the probable met of the Persian expeditin, he had stated that the sum required to repay the Indian geveniment w o uld be about 161, 00 . inernmently, he hid been üblo to obtain from the Knot India Company a further estimate ; but that low ail' an estimate only, and until the mounts were dl made out he could not give the house the awiet vet of the war. A short time ego be bid niveivol Iron the Indian government en assurance that if the ens of half a million was repaid in the course of this session, this would be as much aiv would bo needed ; and, accordingly, he hod laid on the table an estimate for that want. The total elm which they would ultimately hove to pay, as fa as could be now ascertain-LI from the bill of the East India Company, would be laid en the bible. The total eget according to that document would be 1,803,000/., one half of which would be something over 900,0001., the amount duo from the English exchequer. The sum now prop,o d le lug 400,40011., would thus leave a believe of 100,0E101. Since the estinnee had been laid on the table, be (the right lieu. gentlemen)) had received •communiemion from the chairman dale beg India Gnaw to the elfeet that ill consequence wiles lbw mailaped of money from the hod en losalarlos, awl la ernerentece of the probable interruption erbkh the collection of the revenue would receive, it would lea matter of convenience for a larger runt than 309,0001. to be paid. lie (the Chancellor of the Exchequer ) should lberefoye probably have to ask the house for a aup i crummy vete to the extent of 300,0001 or 400,0001 on lbw account. Ha wand now Nan to the committee the position in which err Mad with mud to the operation. in China. The been bad abaft been infuneed that ordeie had been me est to Singapore to divert from their ikedieges at Ism Kong a portion of the no =elide bed hem despatched to that place. Lord bed anticipated that step by adme n( a letter to Gel in the subjeet. They must there fore export that • portion of the military fun es destined for Chiba waddle lent to India, and therefore the and of those toren mad de% not upon the English trea sury, but epos the arms st India. The commit.° were dews* mew Ilka when t e theesn's memento were com manded if the lila 4:leay the expense fell upon baba, ad aid yea be exchequer. Undo r these dreaminess II wed& nil toriemery to ask the house to agree* tamp sum ea 11111 t eedi„ for the military port of the Obbellllllll.llllMlN. lie ask for only 400,0001., whin ble btiMtal went be sufleient ; and hie right hon. Masi Cille C. Wale !odd re for • supplementary naval ri two votes wouhl not exceed se wpm ekedj ii v. Exaggerated apprehen ilica let a to the probable preemie imeAtha eleamplee,eitelag out of reeent occuereacca aft. own ~ln to eis f iculate upon „ tl d itt .sub jog bat ai Ls c r i z i =tri o . s i r y hatever s. tz . al of 11114 etcr im ellabad, be did not ~ 7 . 2 . l 7, in eeeitatyd which would sent eaft abishartn) be strati adobe her !digest)! s go- Mind ellaollocit betted to the probability of having to Lord J. RlifilariOar thei;;;;;tailti of explaining I that the right hoe. gentlemen, the member foe Buckingham- I shire (Mr. - Disraeli), misapprehended him in euppoeing that I be thought the emotion of the present state of India was not i a it eubjeet for dbeman • what he hod said was, that at the present moment, the affair taking the shape of a military I revolt, the first thing to be done was to put it down ; after- i wards there ought, no doubt, to be a serious discussion of the I matter. Ile doubted, however, whether Monday next was not too sots to enter upon that discussion. INDIAN RAILWAYS. Mr. WATKIN, in rising to call attention to oar End • Indian railways, stated that it was in the year 180—I4 years ago when the attention of the government of India was first called to that subject. Sines *het time the United KW dons had become a perfect gridiron of railways, while in • India, even taking into sclotest thoee alienable tramways, • not worthy of the name, there were of railroad but 380 miles. • In looking for the causes of sad a state of things they could not overlook the heavy balances I. the Indian exchemer,con elating of the capital deposited for them projocte. An..thrr came was that it had been the parte( the Court of Directors to concentrate the schema in the hands of a few companies, instead of dividing them amongst numerous projertors. The result had been the production in nine years of 380 miles of railway, whereas the whole as might have been com pleted, and 11 complete, the late dinners in India would never ham occurred. If, _lke instancy, the railway from Bombay to Delhi had been ooinpleted, troom might have been mat, es they amved, to the some of action in three days, whitm as addre stood at present it weld be Deposals under any pressen to get them there la Yin thin 30 days._ (Hear, hear.) The chair man of the Indian Cee a lted, in 1848, stated before Mr. Bright's ea endues hie that, so imperative was the neorneity la India for the government should make then if no paste maid be obtained for their essolnietion. net w in INS ; end now in 1857, under then of tholes. compeny, _mly 300 miles had been nee Slues Iles there had tern a debate, in the came et Alit the Cholera at the Co vet of Dinneen W a d 30 =Mem al withal bed beet intecribed Ix riglrapi, thsi the (rely dilloally vie the delkithey at dike te trampet the died wok*. It was an intonate that all emelt had been Mt by imam atalementa al alleged fact; bat - le this ere the Macy we. wore than weedy traargewed. How was It that no difikalty had been brad is *nig rails to hawks P In the nine years to width he lied mashed the Awoken* bed found shipping for 11,900,0110 tees at Iron, the grastme portion of which we for the peneemest way al 00,000 tam et railway. (Hear, bear.) An that we. seated to be weetreated In wee 4.000 =Sae, and yeti pleaded fled the whams ware Wog wp eddy by the f adiryiss. (Hem) He wee at algae to buoy slip*, atthernellas el cr ops aheahl be son diMealt b ladle dew Is Anwskre new wee se lawyers' Hie la lad% se elllealty sherd the bed, awl whir re= le lobar It was sal, gridis at a law poop • day, the model weal writ al Os eley .1 thew howl es the upon Ha mod met WNW the here with the retwelimee le he =pealed *as the Irearaid beaky el Wawa; he had abeedy alledel be the twit el tre bat be heated that the ere et theeekielles M empledes d the inilwaya wash' erhie the mar the In th a otwer le the agars pat deem waratm d id dew at he I :FL A. UN dew wesiles Eat la/la liethenkr Hallway, with Ile IS saw aps. all 1,007 tli to .e teal, awl the Meth Itelkeerollth thee lir depth, whearthed, mils awrMwYO s maul the sculls if 111" del le make. Tie Nem et lbee thew thipeth w, is Vs spie, the 6. WNW seskinee et the Ere haft Cespety, le Ala be le Se oases et Mr. Stowe.. (The boa m ai s ethe li e l. = wed the thew d Mr. etevethem, et the rob eindee dna le the my of ranger webs Al y tho breethrib eespay • essie.) They poi thothems Yethenlaa ever the troths, end teeth we thee thelsathrtheelmis etheleuthrlothilt the =hi% la Ss eithealethe rairkilthe won (Ifearethie) provide any additional astintatea 'beyond what he bad stated. v 18,600,0001. far repayment of the charge on Recount of the Persian war; a supplementary vote of 300,000!. or 400.000 L more on the same account ; 400,010!. for the expedition to China, and 100,0001. for the supplementary naval estimate. With tvgsrd to ways and means, he thought he coalit satiety the house that the exchequer weld.' bo amply suf ficient to most all thew additional charges. In the first place, the estimates he bad Irwin of the receipts fur the financial year ending Aptil I bad fallen short of the actual amount ; whereas the estimate of expenditure had turned out to be in exam. In this 1.1 inner the exchequer was letter of than he bat calcu lated by nu less a gum than 1,869,000/. Besilui this there i had been a further gain upon taw, eitfee and sugar within the list quarter which amounted to 0a10,0001., the fall which was cants-hid to take place In the duties on those wades ou the let of April Laving caused a greater reek ipt in the quarter following that date. The same thing hat happened with regard to the malt duty, which had also calmed the estimate from that article to he exceeded by half a million ; so that at the present limo the ex dfispier woo richer than he hod c acidified it would be by the sum of 2,860,006/. Against this most be sot the fill taring charges, which ho lead not Included in the estimate he gave btbility, prove but a small frasstien of the charge they reels going to incur. It wee not often In that house that ho ventured to take except Ons to what fell from his right bon. friend the member for Contbridge, but he could out help ex. pressiug his dissent from lot language—that, dissenting and differing from the polity of the China war, yet on we had en tried upon it, and es we had made, as he presumed, certain demands, the honour and dignity of the eountry were con cerned in enforcing tho eshostisn of those derreintle. With the opinion that he enterteined respecting the procesdintra to China, he could not hear dente words without respectfully withholding his tweet from them. The epithet whit it those prow tidings deservod was the one which, since the meeting of the presort parliament, had been used, if ho watt our rectly reported ' by his noble friend the member for the city of London, who said that the transar • lions in Chins were flagitious tranisetions. (Cheered Without hesitation and without qualification be doubted, without a fuller knowledge of what had taken place, that those flagitious transaction., for the reason that they bad be gun, Loot be married to their determination. And here be veutured to revert to a subject which was toaterial with re gard to the China question. At the period when the tr.oia &client; in China a too largely dioeuta.d in parliament, it would be recollected that the vindication of the proceedings of the British authorities diwndod almost eutirely upon the mirertion that the British flag WAS thong upon the lord's Arrow when oche was Primal. That assertion at the beginning of last 'melon —Sound due. redelopilon, 1,135,0001.; additional charge on account of Persian expe dition, 231,0301. ; expedition to Chins, 400,000/.; supple mentary navel We, 100,0001.; Princess Itoyel's dowry, 40,0301. • toted, 1,910,000. To thee must be added the addi tional cieree of 300,0001. on account of the Permien expedi tion, making altogether 2,210,0001., against rho 2ee0,0001. cease of the colluded receipts. Ulcer, hear.) The ou mittee would thus see that the exchequer was quite in e state to sort the charge. that it would hare to Leer. (Hear, beer.) This state of thing*, should be remembered, had been actually realieed. It did not depend in the !cut on e.tionate ; but at the name tinto it would not be ueressonaLlo to expect that during the remainder of the year there would be :e further gun upon cone other branches of the revenue, beyond the aunt which ho had set down no the produce of those depertmoute. (User.) Under than ciretunetances, he tended the committee would agree to the vote, Mr. WALPOLE said ho found It difficult to reconcile the statement of the right bon. geutlentnn with a paper v.ltich bed been laid on the table of the house on the 18th of June, by which it apprnred that the Eset India Compaq only took credit for the reteipt of 230,0001. from the British Treasury for the periol between the let of May, 1017, and the 30th April, 183 e. Hu was for from saying that this was not capable of expLenation but it appeared to him that some expntion was requit al. With regard to the estimate for the China war, which last week was 600,0001., he would only say that if that war was to be prosecuted for the minxes of obtaining the satiefection which the government thought duo to this oeuetry, he should be sorry if the government embarrassed thenieelvee in any way by felting a Ices sum because some of forceswhichwere intended for Chtnawerediverted to India. Ile hoped the government would not cripple themselves or the ensile by which they were to got the satieGiction which they comedered due to this country ; fur though ho entirely disarmed with the government iu the whole of their China busintsfe—(hcar, bssr.)— he wee of opinion that once em barked iu the question, the honour amt credit of the reentry were at Wake unless they obtained that reparation which they thought we were entitled to. (Hear, hear.) The East India Company would have to leer a charge of 1,0e0,600/. for the Persian eepedi'ion, and in addition to this they would have to meet the charges consequent on the unfortunate outlive*. There would on three accounts be between 3,000,0001. led 1,000,000/ chargeable on the finances of India tem 101 abate the probable receipts which the Company _wadi kern I to meet these charges . Notwithatanding whet had teen mid of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, ho thought it would be found that they must advance something more for the great operations which must necessarily be carried on in India, be (roe the Rest India Company would not be able to bear the expense. alone. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said it did did not appear to him there was necessarily any Inaccuracy in the 10.31 , 1 meat pat forward by the East India Company. The 2130,0001. was, he rnosuned, the sum which they esti mated, when the estimate wee made, would be repaid to then, in the pretend year. But since that time en arragement was mode to repay them 600,0001. That would be the whole amount which the government would call 1 , 11 parliament for during the present widen, were it not for the recent unhappy occurrences in India. Thu probably would make it desirable that the government should lay on the table a supplemental estimate on this recreant. Sir E. PEItItY said that this was the first time this country had been called on to pay for a Persian war. The Chancellor of the Exchequer 'mid it wee a cardinal point of policy to maintain the independence of Herat. He wan aware that opinion had been cleared by the government of F,ogl end for the lust 20 years; but he did not believe it wee a sound policy to pursue, or one that had the support of the greatest Indian etakernen. 'lend woe distant 600 miles from the Indian frontier with a wild country intervening and it was a delusion to spend English money on such on object as the otti.pation of Herat. He was of the opinion which Lord Cawley expensed to Ferukh Khan, that it was the policy of thin country to see Persia strong, flourishing, and inde pendent. Sir E. COLEBROORE expremed his ratiefaction that this country was to bear a portion of the expenses on the account of the woe in Persia. Although there were lessons for our feeling jealetes about the occupation of Herat, because when It Amami• a portion of Persia, Elwin would have her agents there, and would take every opportunity of pushing her ir.- trigueo near the confines of our Indian territory, yet he thought it wan for the advantage of England that Persia should be strong. its therefore considered it bad policy on our part to weaken the harrier between Rufus and our Indian empire. We did our best, however, to destroy the military power of Pereia, and to lay it more . prostrato than ever at the feet of Reedit. He did not shave in the sanguine expectations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer with respect to the revolt in indite. He did not believe the fall of Delhi would terminate the struggle in India. The revolt had gone too fir for that, because it extended to Central India, the l'unjaith, and Itohileund. The utmost they could do at the pr sent season would be to maintain the line of comma nieetion between Calcutta and the north-western previews, and to collect the revenue till the cooler Keeton, and the troops now on their way to India arrived. The revenue which wee derived from opium and other warms would fall off and he fed not think it would be possible for the East India Com peny to carry on this groat struggle from their own revenue without assistance from the treasury of this country. WW- I eves were the expeetations of the Chancellor of the Each.- goer, he cautioned the house that they would be called on to give sun* &madams in this way, and the house ought, in kb opinion, to art manfully in supporting thereto the struggle In which they were engaged. (Hear.) Mr. AXICTON said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer told the house that the British government cent directions to India to the effect, that heir of the expenses of the Persian war were to be horse by the Indian government and half by the 'frith& treasury._ Now, sa far no ho could collect, it was elpressly provided by the statutes relating to the govern ment of India, that the revenue and resources of that country were vested in the East India Company, and were not at the disposal of the British government. If this were so, he should like to know from the right hon. gentleman by what authority the Brinell government sent an order to India to apply the revenue of that country to British purposes, in an ticipation of a vote of that house. He believed this applies ! tion was wholly contrary to law. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY complained that ministers, in- I stead of coming down first with =estimate, merely submitted to them a bill to pay. He asked, supposing 10,000 or 12,000 soldier, were sent to India, who was to pay the change 1 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said Mr. Ayrton asked by what authority the English govern ment impuest a charge on the Indian revenue, and raid the statutes in forte did not give 'them the power of making any such charge. The course was this : the President of the Board of Control by the authority vested in him by the eth ernet had, through the secret committee of (ho haat India Company, power to send out instructions to the Indian gevernment either to make war or for any other pur pose. When he had sent thew instructions the Indian go vernment carried thee, into effect, and if they involved any expenditure, then, by their authority, the expentlitere was in tarred. That ho believed was the course which was adopted this year, and which the con.fitution with regard to Indian attire altogether sanctioned. The hon. member for Evesham asked who was to pay for the troops sent from India. The expense of the troops fell upon the East India Company, and elect the expense of sending them ; but there wee • ques tion now under renaiderat ion, which was, whether theee troops whose original de,tinatiou wan Chine, but who had been directed to India, should be charged to the East India Com pan_ y. That point we. under consideration. Mr. GLADSTONE said the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his address to the house, did not confine himself to the particular vote, but he went into other particulars with te pid to the China vote and the disturbances in India, and he finally made an important reference to the state of his own balances, and no doubt it was for the convenience of the go vernment at this period of the session that (ho right hon. gentleman should connect the several subjects together. With regard to the Persia vote, few of them would be surprised at the announcement that the awn required, which in March was 26.5,000/., and which shortly grew to 500,000/, should now be 900,0001.—s toler ably rapid increment. When the 266,0001. was fat asked for, the house WAR told by many of Its members what the reality would turn out to be, and those raticinations had been too literally fulfilled. With regard to what bad fallen from his hon. fnend the member for Davenport, he would make a single exeeption. lie thought he made somewhat too large an admiseein in saying that the maintenance of the inde eradiate° of Herat end keeping It free from the power of Pectin, had been a cardinal maxim of policy with every British government for the last twenty years. He agreed with him that it had been an object to be desired, but having been a member of two governments during the lest twenty yearn, he ventured to say that he was not swam of any act that was done by the government of Sir Robert Peel, or the government of Lad Aberdeen, which regarded the main tenance of the independence of Herat aa an object that ought to be pursued by England, even to the extremity of war. After the complaints on the subject of the expense of the Chime wars, the Chancellor of the Exchequer entered into some vindication of the policy of government, but he had • triumphant argument to which he did not refer, but which he thought he might have used sa moat cionchudves which the subject would admit of, the argument founded on the division which took place teat night when that bourn declared by a mejoeity of sixteen to one either that they approved of the polity of the government, or eke that that policy did not deserve an adverse vote. He thought that a lte r that divide's it would hardly be respectful to the borne that the small sod feeble hand of dleserniente should divide the house on this vote. He CAM) melt to the vote with reward to China. He was afraid that the 400,0001. which they was about to ask of the boon would, la 01l pro vigorous prosecution of the war ; the goy, rnruent never said they were at war. (Hear, hear.) If Canton was taken there might be a prospect of obtaining all that was demanded; but what could a naval force do when the differences were confined to Canton 'l The gun-bo o m might destroy a number of junks ' but that would make no alteration in the disposition of the authorities at Canton. Tho only effietual we that could be made of the naval force would be to blockade the northern ports. But there had as yet been no hostilities at these pots, but, on the centres), trade was carried en without any regard to the hoatilinee bstween Commissioner Tensed Sir John llowring— (a laugh), —he therefore wished to know whether, aa there was only a naval force in those tons, it was intended to blockade the northern pots in order to obtain a compliance with the de mand. made at Canton. but if that was done the partial hoe . WM. , . would be turned into a war with Chum, for the impe rial goverment beet considered the empire wait attacked. Ile really wished to know what was the view her Majesty* go vernment took 01 this matter, and what was the meaning of his noble friend's plimea that a sufficient force would still remain in China P Did he mean to transfer Imatilitiee to the north, rn ports end make W. IT on China ? Ho should also like to know what was the present object of the*. hostilities; they lent Leman became the governor Teemed to make an apology in writing, and refused to return on board the larch. the men taken from her, whom ho had already returned at the consul's beim . What thepreeent demands was couteeed at that tier, hot they were told there were, be for tee was totally ignorant. Ile wished to know was not the slightest ground for doubting that the ilaig was whether it was inten led to emytert the hoettlitice into a war; flying. Now trem information conveyed to him. he did not and, if so, what were the demands to obtain which the war epeak of it es conclusive, but ha !pike of it as having reached was to be carried on P him on high authority, from exeleutively British &flume, the Lord I'ALMEItMTON said—lt epprarse, stir, that my noble Brien flag was not flying on the tomb. Arrow at the time friend ant the right hon. gentlemen ('Jr. Gladstone ) retain the wan seine, anti it was accompanied by the unequivocal their former upinimus with regard to what took place in China— declaratien that the whole British rommunity at Hong Kong (cheers) ;—they aro perfectly welcome to retain them ; the and Canton wag aware of that fact. (Meer, hear.) That was people of England Live deci'led that questiou— (cheers) a matter on which it we important to have every ireforma- therefore whether toy nelee friend think. these proceedings! lion that the government could give. Well, of course it was flagitious, en t whether the right lime. gentleman =opts and vain to take objection to the payment of the charge of the war ennetione that opinion, is • meter of total indifference to in Chine. On every legitimate cession, on every othadon that her Mteenty's government. (Cheers and laughter.) Yea, afforded horso of ntoppieg or obstructing &course of proceeding of total indifferente. We rest on the sanction which the which he believed to be fraught with dimsrem to the eountry people of the tinted Kingdom here given to these proceed -(cheers)—he at beet should not be wanting in the per- logs. (Cheese.) We are perfectly content with the week fornusnce of his humble part, but the withheeling of the of the appee to the petele mcsinst the noble hotel and the money would have no effect. Sir IL Willoughby had made right hon. gentlemen. (Cheere) The right hon. gentle a jute remark in Feinting out the falseness of the pennon man hats told UP that he is perfectly Mined in tame wonder in which the cernmitice wan peered in being called upon to fug information derived from es gentleman whom he has not vote money for the expense of the war, not by way of esti. condescended to name, that the flag wan not flying on board mate, but by way of account. That was the case with regard the lercha when she was h girded by the Chinese, to Tereus. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had told them and has argued as if the whole case turned on that fact. to-night that although the charges on Persia were already in- In the Snit place I beg to remind him that it wee proved by carnet, yet he woeld not have called upon them now bat for the eye wee:mem that the flag was flying, and the blue peter—the financial necessities of the East India Company ' which were so signal that the vowel wee about to pail—elem. And the serious that he might be requested to call on them for whole case did not turn on the fat tof the flag flying, but on 400,000/. It had unhappily occurred that in the case of the feet that the veonel wan lying for many days at Canton as Persia and of Claims they were called upon to provide for a British weed, and the Centoncno knew she was a British hostilities commenced without the concurrence of parliament. vessel. I redly sheet I have thought that my right hon. He hoped this would not grow into tho usual practice of go- friend had had enough of the lon ha epic:neon without en vernment. Tho Chanodlor of the Exchequer had en- dravouring to threat it so urine:wearily into this devoured to administer comfort to them with regard to the debate. (" Hear, hoar," and laughter.) My noble dieturbenees in India by saying that the expense would be a friend, however, has asked a Inestion much more charge upon the Indian government. He did not derive AO appropriate to the intent unfit r ditteureion. My much connotation from that as some other members perhaps noble friend has evidently misunderstood what I said on a did. Ile thought, with Sir Robert Pere that there was a fernier occasion. I did not say the troops had been with reel and virtual connexion between Indian expenditure and drawn from Chine, but that certain troops had not =- British finance. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer went rived at China, bat had been ordered to rendezvous at Sine beyond title, and intimated that a direct demand would be Rayne. On their way they were diverted from their original nine by her Mejetty'n gevernment on the House of Cone dee million, and sent on to India. (Hear, hear.) But no moonin connexion with the expenditure necessary for the orders have been given to withdraw temps from Chin ; and supprocion of the Indian disturbance. Now, he was far there are troop. there now sentient for all purposes for which from saying that if his right hon. friend made such a demand troops can be required. Then, as to what we intend to do ; he would he wrong, but he told them, by way of comfort, surely my noble friend meet know, for it has more than one that he did not intend to make it during the present been stated, the course the government are pursuing in nee seeplon. So far from that being a comfort to him, rence to these affairs. It is well known that Lord he was rather disposed to make it • mutter of cone Elgin was sent out with instruction& to ended. plaint. If the East India Company required support, eniei. roar to enter into orminenication with the govern sere should ask at once for an advance of the money. meet of Pekin ; and until the melts of there oom- He admitted, however, it would not be convenient, am far ae municatione are eacertained by Loel Elgin no further opera,- the balance of his right hon. friend for the year was con- eons of magnitude will be undertaken at Canton ; indeed, rented. There was an inconvenience in the mode in which the season of the year would render any eoneiderable opera he had stated the account that evening, as he brought Into eons by land in the interval undesirable. My right hon. the credit of hie operations for the precut year the surplus friend the First Lord of the Admiralty in going to propose a revenue front bet year. A Chancellor of the Exchemor' r if vote for an increase of the number of men for the navy, and he had a deficiency none yetw, would not charge hinuelf ho is about to &end out a force of marines to reinforce the with it in the next; so neither if he had a surplus, ought he fleet. A certain number of gunboata has all* been eent out, to take credit for that. The surplus of the annual revenue which had arrived at the date of the last account.. My I was always devoted Leforettand to the extinction of debt, and noble friend says when these have arrived they will destroy a ought not to be carried on and treated as available means in fleet of miserable junks. Three venerable junks are war the hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. (Hear, junks of great magnitude which materially interrupted the hear.) As he (Mr. Gladstone) nnierstood the cue, there communicateme with Hung Kong, and when the whole of wee atilt a surplus. In Match, the Chancellor hat cal- the gun boned shall have arrived, I have no doubt they will cabled on a mules of 600,0001., which by the increased be enabbel to give an ecconet of three miserable junks. revenue derived from the malt-tax, and the duties on tea (Cheers.) The inane we are punning, therefore, is this—we and coffee, had been dace mired to 1,500,0001.; it now ap- are not going to make war with the northern ports, because peered that the extraordinary expenditure to be provided out they ere in mow bieudly relation with the British merchants; of ways and meatus (leaving out of question the Sound Due.) we are going in the find place to do that which, according to was about 1,100,0001., including 630,000/. for Intia,4oo,ooo/. international usage is the tined thing to do. A gest outrage for China, 100,0001. for a eupplerneete naval estimate, and hes been eommitte , by tho local enthoritic of Canton—we 40,0001. fur the Princess Repel, leaving still a emelt surplus., address oureolvee to the Emperor of China for redress and which, however, would not go very far if he had to ask par- utiefaction—we wed a special MilMloll, from this country to liatuent to tweet the East India Company, and to make in endeavour to enter Into negotiations with the imperial June or July the dirageemble proposed which he would cer- government end lc he certain demende upon it. e% e are tainly have to make in March or April next, Of course the not at war with Chtha at the present element. (" He Chaneellor of the Exchequer did not wide more than any hear," and "oh .") There hssbeen a colleen between the one eke, to anticipte an evil day, but still, if he rthognined local authorities., Chinese and British, at Canton and Hong the right of the house to have the first information as to Kong. But that does w t constitute war between Englon public chergee, and the earliest means of exercising Its and China; and we must hope that the Imperial govern judgment on the mode in which the resources of the country meet takes that view, sod be ready to afford that sate en to be applied, he ought not to delay making such a pro- faction whet wilt render vete unnecessary. But in pout to them. He (Mr. Gladstone) cordially and entirely the penile° event of a different fusee, we are needing out concurred with the hon. baronet opposite in deprecating a military force to Canton to act egninst China what appeared to be a growing practice of entering into mile should the Imperial government refine or be unable to give tart' expeditions, often involving high question., the ex- us the satisfaction we demand. We do not think that the pewee of which afterward. came before the house as matters divergence of the force which we ordered to rendezvous at of account, and not ma estimates; and with regard to each of Singapore will stake any difference in the tonne of the opus these operations as had for their theatre the empire of Chem, lions. We hope the negotiations will render further hustle. he could not allow the vote to pane without repenting in brief ties mercenary ; but should that not be the cue, we shall but emphatic term, the strong rentiments of pain and sorrow he prepared to prosecute those operations in a manner that with which he should ever regard the occurrences of the shall enerce the reparation we demand. (Bear.) lapt few years. Mr. DISRAELI—The noble leri rays the opinion of the Mr. MANGLES expeceed his perprise at the tone and right hon. gentlemen and the noble lord the mem teepee with which the house had received the demand of the bee for London is a metier of perfect instillers Best India Company. The company bed advanced the elm to him. (Cheers and thlincer t lacers.) I will leave whole nuns for the war, and when they called on the house to the nolle lord the member for Lemke, and the right hon. ropey it they ought not to be treated in forme peuperis— gentleman to settle that question with the First Lord of the (hear, hear)—and be told that the cum was given bemuse Treasury, when the opportunity et/era—(hem) —but I cannot they were in web diffieultic on account of the disturbanceest help noticing the meson why the opinions of gime ewe in India. Whether that country was disturbed or not, if eminent members of this house are a matter of such indiffer they were honest men they would pay what they owed. The once to the noble lord. The noble lord says it is because war for which the money WAS advanced was their war and the people of England at the late general election pronounced sot that of the company. (Cheers and laughter.) Ile did an opinion on the subject of the operations at Canton, and vet deny that the war wan undertaken for Indian punnets. that appealing to that national opinion be can afford to deplete The possession of Ilene by Persia would endanger the into- the opinion of those two dietinguiehed members of the grey of India, but he had nothing to do with Mr. Murray House of Commnt. (Cheers and laughter.) But, sir, If I ea hit quarrel; he only asked the house to pay a debt look to the general verdict that wan given at the late election, which was honestly due for money advanced, and for which it was one, as I understood, in favour of the vigorous prese ntly had charged no interest. (" Hear," and a laugh.) If they cution of theme with Cleina—(clieters and counter cheers)— borrowed it from anybody else they would have to pay in- and I ant not sure that the people of England will be dis trait for it. It was • great object with the Feat India Corn- posed to look upon the present tenemente of the noble lord pay to get the money. They drew about 4,000,000 i. an- with that period indfference whirl he is so ready to extend malty from India to meet their expenditure in this country; to his noble and right bon. friends. ("Hear hue," and end in the present state of India it wee desirable not to draw laughter.) Is the noble lord perforce= the compact he for a chilling more than was absolutely nthemeary, and there- entered into with the country at the bee election ? (Cheers.) fore they wished to get any money that was due to them in Is the war being vigorously profteented P Why, it ia no war this country. With regard to the future, the right boo. at all,' according to the nottle lord's present account. (Cheers., gentlemen !withered to anticipate that the East India Coin. laughter, and count( r duce) Are these hostilities being gamy would be forced to oak for peemary &Matinee; it was earned on vigorously ? Three ere. acconteg to the noble lord, Of men impossible to say w might occur. The con- no troops there. (Hear.) Why, the very bees on which par lance of a century had been broken. The &mom, Semen was desolved, no longer exists, and for ennoble lord who, from the days of Clive, had been uniformly to get up to tell members of this house that he treata their faithful, had proved false; but as fax as be at opinions with indifference, because ho is hacked by the present could see, he had every reason to hope and opinions of the people of England, when he is leaving the beet that if they could prevent the spread of the present people of England altogether in the lurch, is certainly to me dkalection—and up to thin moment it was confined to the most extraordinary. (Hoer, hear.) And whet is the second l=the main portion of the countrythatinuing eminently point in the noble lord's observations? It was • charge eind he might mention that, thanks to the exertions of against • member of the committee fee having unnecesearily Sir John Lawrence in the Punjaub, the people of that country, dragged the Chinn geese= into our delete to-night. Why so recently conquered, continued eminently loyal, and so tree we hive here a vote of 400,000/. to defray tho expenece that to their °elvers, that when any sepoy deserters cam in, they have boon incurred in the Chinese waters, and the noble gave them over to the authorities—every Pun)aub regiment lord says we aro not to dinettes the subject of China, was faithful, and Sir John Lawrence wee raising large levies (" Hear, hear," and " oh, oh.") No doubt these diecuesiona in that district—it they could prevent the spread of deaf- are inconvenient to the government, for the people roue faction, he hoped and trusted the finances of India would be naturally ask themselves why are these hostilities with China seffielent to bear the expenses. So far from public credit not vigorously prow:Med, and why is the vindication of the long shaken, the Five per Cent. Loon was drawing honour of England, which, Iwo months ago, from every better during the Let few weeks than it had done before, and hustings in the kingdom, we were told was meentary, be -470,000/. was subscribed between the 2nd and 12th of elm. pertain, and requisite—shy is that delayed? (Hear, hear.) With regard to the lees arising from the plunder of the pub- Bence the pulley of the noble lord in our own poorcesions-- lic treasuries, up to the latest accounts it did not amount to in an important part of twr own empire, has brought about a more than from 140,000/. to 200,0001. It was true state of affairs which calla for the mercies of all those energies there would be great difficulty in the collection of the revenue to support our role over that part of our own empire be those districts next year, but two Presidencies were totally which wore required for vindicating our honour in China. whited and several of the richest districts of Bengal. As (Loud cheers.) liras le could sea, he hoped not Lbe obliged to make any Viscount PALMERSTON—I must really take leave to eminthe In de goverment k pecuniary aid, but if congratulate the right hon. geneeman on hie belligerent in. dcemeselese to oat otherwine, mil the disaffection spread, tention. (Hear.) I accept it with groat pleasure, and shall he wits inee ne Hones of OSMIUM would remember that count on his support when the a lion of there operations Tara weeds kernel gentort seat valuable part of the shall crown the wielice he eo ereently exercises. I can awn, sal got gay la. tie geesianee for which she ensure the right hon. gentleman he will not be dicippointed. triad, (Har r hoer.) We are punning in the proper coulee the (elect which the The 04.1NCELLOR of the Exclusives then rose, bat people of this country, Old I tom, happy to find the right hon. pee way to gentleman, CO ardently deeres—( 4 Hear." and laughter)— , Lord J. RIeSSELL, who said that as he had not heard namely, redress for injuries and the vindication of honour. bin right hon. friend's Comer statement, ho wished to men- But we thought it was beet to follow the meal course of Itie some points an which he desired an explanation. There international negotiation, and to apply in the first plaoo to IRIS some inconvenience in mixing up the discuseion on the government of the country by whose agents the injury line subjects of such importance, and he should (tontine had been committed for that mime, before proceeding to the Walt to China. He would not enter into the question of extremity of war. The right hon. gentleman lays I complain the morality or justice of the proceedings there ; they had of the subject of China being introduced into this debate. been properly characterised by the right hoe. gentleman (Mr. What I compleined of was my right hon. friend the member Gladstone), but he wished to learn something with regard to for Oxford University reviving the question of the lorchn. I the nature of the homiletic now being carried on at Canton ,• could not ooenplain of tbe subject a China being introduced, for, however he might disapprove of the war, he still wished seeing that that was the subject of the vote. the reputation of the country tobe maintained. It appeared that Lord LOVAINE thought it would have been well if the the Maglieh authorities there attempted some time in Oo- British authorities in China heel thought it necewary to labor bet hostilities against Canton, but from that time op apply to the government before commencing boetilitiee, pis kart areenta in May nothing had been done which hutted of boutberding a defencelese town within 12 boars of coda rpm Ihe !authorities at Canton with any seam of the first demand for retirees, and destroying hundreds of lives, the anisilly it yielding to our demands. On the contrary, and he knew not how much property. (Oh, oh.) we Ind seneetel *or the position we held some months ago. Sir C. WOOD had already steel that he did not believe The reereb item thence stated that the naval force there there was any truth in the story of tie bombardment of a was eat sadist ace cis nature fit to enforce our demands, defenceless town, and he had within that last fortnight re and that ana i. lee WWI required, which should take reeved a letter from Sir M. Seymour, stating that it Ira• not the he&ta Aber and the city itself and hold them true that ho had bombarded the town of Canton or *b ra wn a teats ses 41/111111611111111 prated. 'Two or three nights ago single shell against any but public buildings. (" Oh," and the rib bed the Pis Minister stated that the trope counter cheers.) II Ohba weld be required in India, nil that Lord LOVAINB said that the books clearly showed that lrialreela- beta eel to Lord Elgin it Om to theveree a regularbotubardment. (" Hear, hear," and " No.") =le Me ire could find hi rah that Mr. ROEBUCK—WiII the right hen. gentleman produce battle noble Led war on to ow lbw would that letter? (Ilear.) still be a faros at Canto:lole eillehr erhereerglience See C. WOOD—The litter I refer to is a private letter with the demands of the IfiIaIMIEL errs gave (" Oh, oh," and laughterl L —from Sir el. Seymour, but I will rise to a men= which he MI net led* the 'erudite* bring it down on Mon y night, and shall bees no "be would think of very coneiderabie imposlonst Me could un- ,}action to read eke paragraph relating to this matter to the defined that if a land force was la reweita el Canton, home (Hear.) it might make the viceroy yield. The eeereltre rear re- Several members here rose to epeek—Lord LOWAINTI collect all this time they were not at war setellireadbig amongst them—but the Manny declaration of rations Weary isms be the „jar, DIBIIIILIA caught the chairman's eye—lle said, 1 4 11T