The Express. — London, England, 1853-03-17 00:00:00

IM PE [AL PA It LIAMENT HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNISDAY, )L►acn 16. tank the chair at 11 n'thick. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The rep ,rts of the committees of the ILaekhurn Gas. the 1)ut11‘ y the Sanderland Ga•, and the Whittle Dean Wet, r W Ks, hills, were considered and agreed to. The s, Wokinithair, and Woking Junction Railway Bill was rtad a second tune. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PF.T IT lUN S Phli'sr:Nl ED. MAYNtiOCI GRANT.—By Mr. 0. DUNCAN. from the Free Chnre.:, St. David's, Dundee; Mr. DUNLOP, from the Fr,. Church cougreotion of the Island of Call, and from the to' .hit-ants of the parish of Ithenie, Aberdeen shire; Mr ItOUVL:ItIE, Mr. A. lIASTIE, Mr. 0. DUN CAN, and Mi. ELIOT, from TatiOtif places in Scotland ; •guest. Caskat , ;v itEstuves Bata. —By Slr IL INGLIS, from Toronto, aniinst. DtAABILITINS.—By Mr. HAMILTON, from the M shine, county of Longford, against the n ano, d uf. OENNIND i,r THE CIITITAL PALACE ON 81:NDAVI.— By Mr. CUEETHAM, from member.' of the Coogregational Cerra at ll•twi,o, sitairist. OCEAN PENNY PcnlTAoll.—lly Mr. MI ALL, from a pub meeting A'. itlchdale ; Mr. CAIRNS. from the miAsters wed elders of tue rissbyterian Church, :Collegeequare, Bank Belfast, in favour of. UNITEA•ITY Tear., SeITIAND.—By Mr. G. DUN CAN, Mr. 13.10 T, Mr. DOC VEIIIE, and other hon. menibma, from various places in Scotland, for the aladi- Mee et PAILLIANINTAKT PAPISE.S.—By Mr. FERGUSON, from mesalvers of the Catfish: Library, for itippfirs of. EICISE Dyer os Sorte.—By Mr. C. TURNER, from the Livery, I Chamber of Commerce, for the reveal of. TANIS ON KNOWLEIXII.—Mr. :USDA RS, from the in habitasts or Wakefield, fir the repeal of the duty on paper, the stamp I,i ~n n, , impapers. and the advertisement duty. THE BYE ELECTION INQUIRY. Sir J. lON c.. 11. a attention to a difficulty which bad arisen in reference t, the assembling of the com mittee ap.. e.t.d to inquire into the alleged corrupt prac tices in the town and port of Ilve. The act under which that cum:nineu we, appointed (Lord John Itusoll's Act) required teat the committee, which. as the house au ewers, we% nu" sesrily ccmpoerd of the same membrn as the eleetion c .:nnaittee, should assemble within f wirteen days aft- r the to nod when they. aa an election a remitter, made theii ri pot.. Yesterday they tin pursuance of that requir..wient, when it app. ond that two of their numb r, Corhally llogdale, wens ab sent, the one beteg in Ireland, and the other is • distant root of the couutry, mil the question arose, under those e roumetances, whether the committee wt re or wive not boon . by the law which regulated their proceed lags as an Ireton committee, or whi..her they stood in the 'whoa artily of an ordinary select committers ? In the owe case it h • arcs', iry to report to the house the fast of twee th.ir members being absent, having the bons to d•.. 1 with them, and in the other it would be Nicely ni cr., try to apply . for authority to richer. the Mitres. The general opinion appestat to be that they stood in r c 7,,,sition of en ordinary select committee, but as he not tl.ink such an inquiry ought to her condu:ted with bre I. an tire members, i,e,peaed and would move, that the qua might lie educed to three, in order that the eummitt• c might meet and atjonin over the holidays, °therm. , the li day. would 'mire, and the committee lapse bettor they would bait an opportunity of scream WASS. Sir 0. 0111 Y inquiteil what notice bad been given on the members of the committee as to the day on which they were to meet ? _ . B,r J. I'AkINOTON thought the members of the elm. laittry wuu,d that they would M required to teas salable hewn. the heti lay.. The Irma form of committee sammon. had !wen issued by the clerk.. Sir U. GIREY—The members of the committ• ought to have been within reach of the summon., they were not bewever yet in a pusitSos to say that they would not he in • pavilion to remmesable before lolenday next, when the four teen days cspired. In hi, upini m the same members who tried the election petition ought to sit on this inquiry, and be though , the house would be exercising a very has adore "ewer if it determined that a quorum of tlir.e should be entlicient. It-. impresario was must they ought to deal with Ns ere at that of an election committee—that on the day far rt-as.. ultiii,„4 the members of the committee should be galled over, and that, after waiting an hour, if any were absent their eloence should be reported to ilia house, who orevld aseertsin the cause and art accordingly. Ile trusted that whatever course was taken the inquiry would not be Sir J PAK INGION—But my right hoe. friend has not pointed out h iw in this ease weary to preveut the committee from lapsing. Sir U. UILEY meant to have said that when the circum stance of the absence of two of the members was brought under the ao.i.e of the house an the way he had sugghsted, it would he competent for them if they thought fit to give leave to those members to continue absent, and allow the imaamittee to sit with the minimum numbsr sanet.oned by the act. r 1.. three. Mr. HURL' objected to any members of committees being gonad tr..aa committees without a report being node to the house Mr. SOTHERON suggested that the committee should Maid adjourned by perraysion of the house until after the After • re w words from Mr. FiIIWILS, Mr. M. DENISON thought the difficulty would be met if the .chairm in would now report the abseil,e of the two members, leaving the house to take the course suggested by the riabt hen. baronet (Sir O. Grey). Mr. HOU V BRIE believed that if the committ e met on Maeda; neat (the last of the It days), and found that any el their number were absent, it would be sufficient if they reported the tact to the house when it re-emen:Mel alter the helideys. The SPEAKER had consuEed the law adviser of the louse on the question, and his opinion was that though it might have been the intention of the act to reconstitute the maimittee us On election committee, after it hart reported to the house, it could only have the power of an election essmraittee in so far as ezamining witnesses on oath and Mlling for persons and papero, mit that in all other respects it would ilesiomd to the position of an ordinury select com mittee. It was clear that the act intended that the com mittee shoeW consist of the same members as the election CinaMitnte, and the only mode of proceeding in the present MSS was foe the house to order the attendance of the two lees. members referred to, on Friday nest. The house could then, if it ;clewed, legalise the sitting of the committee not withstimilitig the adjournment. Sir J. PAK MOTO!: (in accordance with the Speaker's enisiem) withdrew his motion, and moved that Mr. Cor kin; sad Mr Dugdale be ordered t) attend the house on Friday next; which, after a Inlet cenversation, was agreed to. COUNTY RATES EXPENDITURE BILL. Oa the motion for going into committee on this bill, Sir J. PAW INGTON urged the postponement of the gemmittee nutil after the Quarter Sessions, in order that the magistrates, who would be effected by it, might have an importunity of considering it, and pronouncing their opi- Men upon its enactments. He had no desire to throw ob stacles in the way of the bill for the mere purpose of delay ; he wished to meet it in a Mon if spirit ; bat it must be borne in mind that this bill was widely different from that which had bees discussed in precious sessions; and it was only fair that time should be given for its consideration. In eider to show what would be the real working of the bill, be had moved for returns of the number of magistrate, in such county, qualified to act on the county boards, and of the several beards of guardians, and be had given notice of au auseadnisot, which would come at an early part of the bill, which them returns would tend to elucidate. Seeing that the necessary information was not yet before the house, and that the Quieter Sessions, at which the magistrates of the country would have an opportunity of taking the bill into consideration would not take place till April, he appealed not only to the fairness of the right hon. member for Manchester, but to the justice of the govern ment to support him in the amendment. He would now mere that the committee on the bill bo postponed to the 13th of April. Mr. DU GIBSON regretted it was not in his power to swede to the right hon. baronet's request. (Hear, hear.) It might be proper to postpone the committal of the bill, if there were any absence of information on the subject, or if say party interested was about to be taken by surprise; but there was no reason for suppoeiog that ti, magistrates were not fatly informed of the whole scope lied bearing of this memare, and certainly no one understood it better than the eight hen. gentleman himself, woo was a member of the committee to which the bill had Men referred, sad had gone through it clause by clause, air! than wheat - them wee at person to whom the Quarter &bijou' justices (as they well knew) could more safely entruat their interests. (Hear, hear.) That the subject had b en brought under the con siderstion of the justices there could be no doubt, tar he found in the account of the expenditure for the County Palatine of Lancaster a charge of 221. 6s. for the expenses of a deputation appointed for the purpose of watching the of the Comity Expenditure Bill in parliament. ri g eTa i s in May, 1860, and again in the accounts of 1851 is found a cha rge for the same purpose of 41/ 7s, 6d, (" Hear, hear, aad a blurb.) As he should be ex tremely sorry if the ratepayers were put to auy further expense on this account, he hoped the right boa. baronet would not persist in a mane which, if successful, meat ham the effect of throwing the bill weer to another swish. With regard to the information the right hon. baronet sought in the rcieras for which ha bad moved, he was glad to be able to inform him that that lafornistion was already on the table; there was, therefore, fairground for delay. Hr. litioN observed tint the bill as it at present stood had nem been Wrought under the attention of the justioes el Quartet Swim. It was also worthy of remark that the Inelliert same forward now for the first time with govern ment tappet. Hr. dl. PALMER was favourable to the principle of the bill, hut believed that the delay now asked for would in the result occasion ae Lou of time. This present unsure was vary different from the one of 1811, especially in ret o mj: the clause definiag the eonstructioa of the county and It wae but reasonable that an opportunity should be given to those who would he affected b y it to consider it. Lard PALMERSTON-1f the measure were entirely now or the present stage were the third reading, he would anpaicice in the proposal of t hi. t.a.l.t hon. baronet—but the ' principle of the bill had been sander the cunbitleia , ion of the *Amu') for several sad had been repeats' dly reallercil the house, and all they were now called upon to do was to go hill rommittre to discus. Oa various attentions and niodnicatnius to the clause, whittt various THE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, MARCH 17, 1 F 53. hon. gentlemen had notified their intention of proposing. dHear, hear.) Until the house had decided on those ifferent proposals it was obvious that the country and the maaistratis at Quarter Ses.sions coati not know what the measure was upon which they were called upon to pronounce an opinion; therefore he should say that for the object put forward by the right hon. baronet himself, that of letting I the magistrates and the rstepayers know what was the exact nature of the measure which it was proposed by par liament to pass into a law, th:y ought to go into committee to arrange the details, and decide upon the shape in which the bill should be presented for their anal assent at the third readine. Mr. B. I)ENISON wished to see the bill become an act of parliament, but he thought it would facilitate that object if it were delayed till after Easter, iu order that it might be fully understood by the country . Mr. ntelill supported the amen dment. Sir G. GREY saw no purpose to be ;rained by delay. Al at of those hon. gentlemen who took as interest in the subject were cow present, and it was not probable there would be a fuller attendance on the 13th April. (Hear.) Mr. DARR° At objected to further postponement. The present bill was in all its material details the sante as that which came nut of the committee of 18.11, and with which the country was well acquainted. The alteration in the first clause might be said in some degree to affect the prin. I ciple, but that the house had decided on the second read ing. The effect of delaying the bill tall atter Easter, would, in all probability, he to threw it over for the session. (Hear.) Mr. FRESHFIELD supported the amendment and con demned tl.e bill generally, which he said would interfere with the ailmioistration of justice. Mr. 11. DRUMMOND said a few words in opposition to the amendment. Mr. WALTER thought the bill should be allowed to go into committee. lie did nut think the bill would have the effect tne right boo. baronet (Sir J. rakington) supposed. There were several amendments he had given notice of which he thought would meet the views of the right hon. gentleman. . . Mr. W. MILES said it must be recollected that the bill as amended had not been long in the Eauas of members. If this bill passel, it would give the county boards power over the question as to the adoption of the rural police, matter which he thought ought to ba entirely in the hands of the magistrates. Ile had n 0,.., voted against the principle of the bill. He thought the principle undeniable if they could only carry it out. He hoped that the right hon. gentleman opposite would agree to the postponement. Mr. E. DENISON appealed ti hon. gentlemen opposite to allow the hill to go into committee. They had already consumed, he had almost said wasted, more than an hour in the discussion as to whether they were to consider the bill or not. Ile thought as regarded entice the right hon. baronet was punning a very badeourse. 110 was free to confess that the bill rcqu'red many emendations, but he trusted hon. gentlemen would allow them to go into com mittee. fit; J. DUCKWORTII suggested that the amendment should nut be pressed. Ihe preaminary question had been suffieteutly discussed, and the only way by which they could test the merits of the bill wax by going into the de tails. Mho right bon. baronet divided, he should feel it his duty to vote for going into committee. Illy. V. SCULLY MAI this was a matter in which ,Irish members had, if po.sible, a greater interest than English members. Ile should certainly vote for going into cotntnit tee. The county rates had greatly increased in Ireland as well as in England. Mr. HENLEY said they had been unjustly attacked on that side of the house; for what were the circumstances under which they stood ? A bill entirely different from that which they had now to consider was first brought in by the right hon. gentleman. This bill contained new clause., introduced by the government, and was entirely different from that which canto our of the at lest committee I two years ago. But this was not all. The hill came out of the select committee at the end of the session, and was printed and circulated in the country. But the right hon. gentleman, instead of following up the recommendation of the committee, brought in a bill last session entirely differing both from the former bill and this bill. lie believed this bill had been circulated about 14 days, and no opportunity whatever had been given to the magistrates to consider it. By a majority they might force the bill into c mmitter, but when they got into committee they could not force progress ; mud he for one should not be die , posed to assist in making progress if they were now driven into it. Mr. FITZROY said it was not exactly the fact that a ' number of clauses introduced into the bill had been origi neted by the government. The bill as presented to the house differed considerably from that recommended by the committee of 1851. The noble lord having looked at the two measures preferred the bill es it came cut of the com mittee, and consequently the government informed the right hon. member for Manchester that they could not con , sent to the bill unless it was made like that of 1851. Ile believed that now the sole difference between the two bills consisted of the manner in which the board was to be elected by the boards of guardian% and there was already an amendment proposed by the right hoc. member for Moe peth with regard to that proposition. Sir J. PAKINOTON said, in deference to what appeared 'the wish of the majority, he should nut persist in his amendment. The house then went into committee. On clause I, which provides that county financial board. hall be established, . _ hie. HENLEY Moved an amendment, the effect of which would be that separue boards should be established for East and West Sussex. The two disi•ions of the county consti tuted in effect two distinct counties. The quarter sessions were held separately, and the two divisions had separate county rates. I Mr. BAIN ES apprehended that this amendment could not be introduced without a great number of other amendments to meet the cue of other counties. The principle of the bill was that there should be a county financial board fur every jurisdiction which was under ono and the same com mission of the peace. Each of the three ridings of York shire bad its separate commission of the peace, as had like wise each of the two divisions of Lincolnshire, and there were to be therefore separate boards far each of theta. But it frequently happened in other counties that for the sake of convenience the magistrates attended to the busi ness of only a portion of the county, as in Lancashire, where there was merges( r not one commission of the peace. In Suffolk, he underetood, there was the tune thing, but these were mere conventional arrangements, having no legal foundation. Sir J. SHELLEY, as a Sussex magistrate, observed that the arrangement in that county was merely for conseni ence. Sir W. JOLLIFFE remarked that the circumstances of East and West Swum were as different as possible. In the eastern division they had a county police, and in the west they had not. Lord PALMERSTON thought more confusion 'would arise by adopting the amendment than by not adopting it. Yorkshire and Lincolnshire were divided by lines which were established and known, and could not be altered, but in Sussex it was a mere conventional arrangement which might be changed to-morrow or nest day. Hr. HENLEY said he felt some difficulty in the absence of the members for the Western division of Sussex in urg ing reasons in favour of the amendment, but he believed the two divisions, were entirely distinct, and if they had a country financial board it must make a rate for the whole county. Mr. T. M. OIBSON suggested that the amendment should be postponed till the hon. member for West Sasses was prima. - Sir J. PAILINGTON said the right hon. gentleman was proposing to postpone the first clause. They had better have postponed the whole bill. Though the amendment was limited to Sussex, he apprehended there were other counties that equally required the attention of the Lan ca/hire reformers. Mr. 0111 SON explained that he did sot propose to poet pone the clause but the amendment, as it was mid the mem bers for Sussex might urge reasons for it. lie had heard no reasons which justified the amendment. Mr. W. MILES said, in hie county they had separate divisions for magisterial business, but they had only one rate. In Sussex. however, they had two rates, which varied much in amount. lie held en his hand the treasurer's return, from which it appeared that the rate for East Sussex was 41d. in the pound, while that for West Sussex was only Id. In Snifolk they had four divisions, and there also the rates varied. Lord PALMERSTON said the only argument for post poning the bill W.lll that the right hon. member for Oxford shire had proposed an amendment, and frankly confessed that he did not know the reasons for it—certainly a very odd reason. Sir J. PAKINGTON considered the noble lord had re• versed tho facts. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gibson) did not know the reason why he wu to resist the amend ment. Mr. BARROW observed that the clause proceeded on the assumption that magistrates acted duly under the commis tobei which they were authorised ; and, if they did, he to know by what authority the magistrates of Sussex ' UM& Min than one county rate? Ho objected to the knee Wan coiled on to legalise an illegal proceeding. Ilk S. V. SHELLEY said, in Sussex there was but one ' eanteniesion and one lord-lieutenant; and although the county nos wee different, that was owing to there beir.g a police gift in one division and not in the other. Besides, he us. Ineetood that the county financial boards might, if they *aught fit, de all that the justices had done. Me. HENLEY said the noble lord had put into his mesa weeds which be uttered. What ho said was. OM idiet noble lord the member fur West Sussex might, if be were present, give additional rea.ona. lie hoped the Med hon. gentleman would consent to postpone the clause. it G. GREY saw no reason for postponing the clause or the amendment ; because, to his mind, the reasons were clear for mot agreeing to the amendment. Mr. L'ACKE said it would be unjust to proceed with this clause in the absence of the members for the western d• 'on of Sussex, who were compelled to be in attendance at the issues. He begged to suggest the postponement of the clause. Mr. DEEDES did not see any neceuity for that, because if necessary the clause could be altered at a subsequent nine of the hill. (Hear.) Mir. NEWDEGATE said that no argument had bees innW !gains: the amendment MAO that no one knew why le w•• k! be adopted. (Laughter.) We 'FREW EN was also quite in the dark as to why the umnmellment should be adopted. (Laughter.) Theme were we'd& counties, as Nottinghamshire, Lineehuhire, end %Ahem where these divisions existed. Sir J. V. SHELLEY tiered that no exception would be (made with respect to his own rounty, because he thought it weld prole disadvantageous to it. Mr. BAINSB, as chairman of the committee, oli.ervra that the aim et Sanwa bat not been mentioned. That of Suffolk, however, hind ; and the principle upon which the committee had acted was a very simpt; and intelligible one. It was that wherever there was •divisios of, the peace there I should be a separate financial board. It • non• would refer to the of nil clause, they would . 1 1d that all the, gentlemen legal powers possessed. by the justices would s'e trangeetta,, to the new financial boards. If any illegal t ali, h",_ sprung up in auy counties, of course they winds: not „ transferred but would cease; and he regarded it as ma' , merit In the bill that it would detect and put an end to st;ch practices. Mr. BARROW read a passage from an act of parliament, stating that every divirion of a county having separate di visions of the peace should be taken to be a county for the purposes of that act. Mr. WADDINOTON did not quite understand whether in counties where by arrangement, or prescription, or statute, divisions now existed, there would be more than one board ? Mr. M. GIBSON replied that the financial boards would stand in the place of the justices for the several purposes of the act. Sir W. JOLLIF'FE suggested that the right hon. gentle man should postpone not only this but the two next clauses. (Oh:) Mr. HENLEY said that the object of the clause was to do away with the convenient arrangements now in ex istence; it was ncceesary to ask for some further explana tions. The right boo. member for Manchester had given them to understand that where there were four divisions of the peace in one eJunty there would be four financial boards. [Mr. M. Gibson—No, no.] Well, then, there was to be only rote for the whole county; and the presenttlivisinns, whether lawful er unlawful, whether statutable or prescrip tive, were to be abolished. That might lead to some inju-tice because if the larger divieiun happened also to have a larger amount of burdens it would immediately incorporate the smaller division with itself, and make it pay equally with themselves. (Hear, hear.) The committee then divided, For the amendment Against it ll2-72 Mr. W. MILES then moved that the Beetles, Bury St. Edmunds, losgieb, and Woodbridge divisions of the county of Suffolk be inserted alter the word Lincoln in the first clause; but this amendment was negatived without a division. The clause was then agreed tn. Clause 2, which provided that the liberties of St. Albans, Peterborough, and Ely should, for the purposes of the act, be considered counties of themselves, was also passed. On clause 3, which exempted the City of London and those towns which are counties of themselves from the pro visions of the act, Mr. IiENLEY asked why those places should be excluded from the op's:111311ot the bill ? Mr. M. GIBSON replied that th‘se towns were already under municipal regulations which controlled their e spend iture ; and that it was therefore unnecessary to extend the provisions of the bill to them. Mr. FRESIIFIELD nevertheless did not see why those towns which might line to have financial boards should be deprived of the benefit of the measure. Mr. BAINES said that in all these places there was already the representative system; and the object of the bill was simply to extend that system to the counties, where at present it did not exist. Mr. 3EESIIFIELD persisted in urging the applicability of the measure to towns. _____ Mr. PRICE added a few remarks respecting the city of Gloucester. Mr. SPOONER said that the town of Birmingham, fin instance, was a part of the county of Warwick, but that it bad been separated from it for certain purpose., and now paid its coats to the county rate out or the borough rate. Would the act at all affect its position ? Mr. BAINES said that all the excepted towns were within the purview of the Corporations Act ; and if they had not been excluded from the bill, the provisions of the measure might have been held to extend to them. There was nothing whatever in the bill that would affect Birming ham in its relations to the county of Warwick. Mr. B. DENISON asked why Doncaster and other towns were nut also specially excluded from the loll? Sir G. GREY reiterated that the bill applied, hi the first instance, to all counties; that the cities akd towns referred to were counties, and that therefore it would have ex tended to them. But they were already provided with financial boards, and therefore they were specially ex empted in the measure. The clause was then agreed to. On claims 4, which related to the composition of the finan cial board. Sir J. PAKINGTON said that this was the most im portant portion of the bill, because it would deprive the magistracy of England of the powers and functions which they hail so long possessed, with respect to the expendi ture of these rates, to which they were the largest contri butors; and would give the mansgement of county affairs to a board extremely small in number, and pussibly con sisting of only one-half magistrates. Allusion had been made to the absence of the members for West Sussex, and the answer had been that they were prevented from attend ing by the discharge of important duties at the assizes. That circumstance alone would quite justify the course he was about to take ; for he must appeal to the noble lord (Vis count Palmerston) and to the house, whether it would be fair, or he might even say, decent, to proceed with a clause that would deprive nine-tenths of the gentry of England of the powers they now possessed, at a moment when so many of them were engaged in important public business, and when many courts of quarter sessions had expressed a wish to have time to consider the bill before it was proceeded with? Indeed, his case was so just, and lie had been so convinced that the appeal he had made on • former occa sion would be listened to, that he hnd not taken any of the usual means of securing the attendance of hon. members on that side of the house. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir J. Peking ton) was willing to accept the representative system—(hear, hear)—ant would not object to have representatives added of those classes who were not at present represented on the financial boards; but it would be caressively unfair, even upon their own showing, if hon. members opposite pressed this clause for the purports of narrowing rights which al ready existed until every gentleman in the house connected with counties should have had an opportunity of being pre seat, and until the house should have had time to ascertain what were the views of the courts of quarter session upon she subject. (Hem, hear.) Wish no hostile feelings, therefore, towards the bill, he should move that the Chair man report progress. (Hear, hear, and cries of " Divide.") The gallery was then cleared, but no division took place. When it was reopened Viscount PALMERSTON was protesting strongly against the course pursued by the right hon. baronet as an evident attempt to defeat the bill by delay. (Cheers.) Mr. ROBERT PALMER said, his right hon. friend would not trouble the house to divide upon a motion which was a very different matter at 4 o'clock from what it would have been at noon. (Laughter) Whether the Chairmsn reported progress or not, it was pretty clear that there would be no division on the substantial motion that day. (Renewed laughter.) After • few words from Mr. llustbrie, the motion was withdrawn. Sir J. PAKINOTON then proceeded to move the amendment of which he had given notice. It was quite clear that the bill had been conceived in a democratic spirit. (Hear, hear, and cries of " no.") That was the real animus of the measure, and be was sorry to see the government, from whatever cause, under such influences weakly to yield itself to such a proposal. He should propose to insert words in the clause which would have the effect of making the financial boards consist of all the qualified be in each county, as well as the persons who were to be elected. His object was to prevent the bill from depriving the ma gistrates of those functions which they had exercised for so long a period and with so much advantage to the country. Thu magistracy of England consisted of gentlemen of large property, and in some counties of • certain portion of the clergy, but whether it was thought desirable or not that clergymen should be in the commission of the peace, it was notorious that all such reverend gentlemen as were on the bench were persons who were bona fide contributors to a large amount to the county rate. It was objected that In every county they would find a certain number of active men, not large ratepayers,who would obtain undue influence over the public expenditure ; but the truth was there was no class of the magistracy who did not make large direct payments to the county rate. In fact, that rate was really paid by the landlord, and not by the tenant. lie might be told that there were farmers who held land under lease, and that a larger public expenditure than usual might be undertaken after they had entered into arrange ments of that kind ; but farmers and landlords knew very well that the county rate was always liable to some fluc tuation, and therefore they took that into their calculations. (Hear, hear.) lie divided, then, the ratepayers into two classes—the first consisting of those large owners of pro perty who, by long-established custom, were always placed on the commission of the peace, and who, either directly PA owners and occupiers, or indirectly through their tenar.ts, paid by far the largest portion of the rates. The other class consisted of small landholders. He considered that their interests were so identical with those of the first dr e ss that they might safely be left in the hands of that claw How ever, in order to fulfil the strictest principles of ; J ustice, he was willing to admit a certain number of rep. .esentativcs chosen by the secondary classinto the financial t na g,. Wh a t he did object to was that these smaller holders should obtain the ascendancy. Ile had moved fur some returr 3 which had not yet been laid on the table, but the right hon .2ent i eman (H r. M. Oibeon) had favoured him with a docu mint o f a wine . what similar character. It was a return of the number of Justices in every county for the year 18 .11, and it certainly contained some curious particulars. Y or i nstance, some o f the counties gave the numbers eact wive of the peers and privy councillors. Surely the noble 1 ord opposite—(Viscount Palmerston) —being both a peer ar al a privy councillor, did not consider himself incapacitne ed from acting as a magi strate. (A laugh.) Again, so me of the counties were marked " C," which meant tb at a ll th e j us ti ces enumerate d were all living. (A laugh.l Taking then the county of Lancaster, he found there were 715 magistrates, of whom 450 were qualified to act. Now the number of unions was 'ail, and therefore the Minimum number 3f the financial board would be 29, and the maximum a ; for which they would d i sfranchise no fewer than 450 gentle men. In the cour.ty of Oxford there were 161 magi strates, of whom 104 were qualified. In this county there were only nine unions, so that the financial board would consist. of 9, or at the most 18 members. In Hamp shire there was 320 magistrates, of whom 224 were quali fied. The 'number of unions was 28. la Worcestershire the number of qualified magistrates was returned as 25 0 , but he eimuld think. that some of those could not be ',Mier. (A lar,gh.) There were only 12 unions, so that they would emb.ange u finan , ,ial hoard of 258 members for one which, at the outside, could wily c insist of 21. It should be v.. marked that there was nothing to prevent all the unqe..li fled justices trom qualifying, and thus the present fiermeinl body might. be taken as consisting of the gross numiaers he had mentioned. His experience had uniformly been that th e metli n gs of the magistrates at which they attended to financial affairs were always large oiler, and that all pre- I sent had shown the greatest desire to conduct the public business with the utmost economy and with the strictest re gard to the claims and rights of all classes of ratepayers. What was the practice when any unusual expenditure was proposed? In the county of Worcester, with which he was, of course, better acquainted than with any other, a large'l number of gentlemen assembled to discuss subjects of com mon interest to the whole body of ratepayers, and the ques tion was frequently determined by a division. On what pt:uciple, laciple, then, of justice, of fairness, or of common sense, were the magistrates to be deprived of their functions ? The proposed attention would be a departure from the principle that those who paid the rates ought to have a voice in controlling tho expenditure. Let the ratepayers elcct representatives if they pleased. Though he did not like the principle of e double election, he was perfectly williag that one or two s ate-payers should be selected Irons I each union to join the hello\ and have a vo:re in that ex- I penditure, to which they con:riouted in a much smaller de gree than the landowners. There would be no difficulty in choosing amongst a hoardof guardians men of business whe . . were quite competent to deal With such matters. The in terest would be a common one—that of managing the finances of the county in the most economical and efficient manner; and he ventured to predict that in a board so constituted every proposal which was founded in justice would meet with approval. lie did hope that his proposal would be accepted, and the object aimed at would then be effected without creating that dissatisfaction tench must be felt by the magistrates from one end of the country to the other, if they found themselves unfairly and unjustly deprived Or powers, which they had so loag and so beneficially exercised. Mr. M. GIBSON said be could not assent to the amend ment; it would be fatal to the bill—(hear, hear)—being entirely adverse to the principle of a fair rept eseutation of the rate-payers. (Hear, hear.) What the tight hon. baronet proposed was, simply that the boards should be elected in the way in which the bill provided, but that their number should be increased by addtng to them the rest of the magis tracy. (Hear, hear.) In the cage of his own cout.ty there were 583 magistrates, and 13 unions ; and thus there would •be 13 gentlemen selected by the rate payers and 583 magistrate. This was indeed a homecopa tffic dose of the democratic principle. (Laughter.) He could scarcely believe that the right hon. gentleman was serious in such a proposal. The effect would be that the rate-payers would be placid in a rediculous minority. It would be difficult, he thought, to show that the justices of the peace had any prescriptive or vested right to spend the mom) of the rate-payers without responsibility or control. All that was possessed by the magistrate in virtue of his commission was power to administer justice, and to act in a judicial capacity. He would like to know whence was I derived the " right divine" of irresponsiblecontrol ? The argument which was used on that point might equally be urged against the House of Commons. It might be said, the House of Lords is composed of men who are possessed of large property, and who pay a large proportion of the public taxes, and therefore they ought to be the sole and exclusive guardians of the taxation of the country. (Hear, hear.) Tho right hon. baronet's proposition resembled a proposal to add ten members of the House of Commons to the House of Lards and then leave the House of Lords to control the public expenditure. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that even hon. gentlemen wl:o were adverse to the bill would not listen to so eccentric a proposition after the prin ciple of the bill had been agreed to. Mr. HENLEY said the right hon. gentleman (Mr. M. Gibson) having admitted amendments contrary to his own iodisation, had no right to object to that which was now proposed, on the ground that it was opposed to the scope of the bill. The principle of the bill was, that the repre sentative system should be partly applied to the control of county expenditure; and what the right bon. baronet proposed, was to leave the present system alone, and add repreeseutation to it. (Laughter.) The attempt to set up entirely new machinery, must be attended with many in conveniences. As regarded the number of magistrate', it was wall known that practically only a very limited propor tion tuck part in the discussions, many being prevented front doing so by old age, infirmity, or some other cause, The right hon. gentleman opposite need not be alarmed, therefore, on that subject. For many reasons, it appeared to hint desirable to keep alive the existing corporation, and to add to it only so much of the representative influence as was consistent with that object. Mr. lIUME was very sorry to see hon. gentlemen oppo site indisposed to do justice in this matter. All that was wanted was to give to county ratepayers the power already possessed by borough ratepayers. The country gentlemen would under the bill have their share is the elections. He was bound to say that on examining the account" of the Norfolk magiatrates last year, he found them very well kept—(hear, hear)—but he must also add that, notwith standing that the ratepayers of the county demanded to be put on the same footing as those of the towns. (Hear.) Mr. BUCK said nothing would please him better than to see ratepayers attending to their own interests, but he was not prepared to disfranchise the magistrates of this country, to whom the ratepayers were deeply indebted for the man ner in which they had conducted their affairs. The injus tice of the representative system when carried out to the fullest extent was obvious from the state of his own county (Devonshire), where there was a town rated at 9td., while the rates in the agricultural districts were only about 2td. Before passit.g this bill, they ought to feel satisfied that the borough rates were managed better than the county rates. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. DRUMMOND said he had always supported the principle of this bill ; but what he meant by the principle was that persons should be selected by the ratepayers to join with the magistrates in controlling the expenditure ; beyond that he had never gone and never would go. (Cheers.) lie did not believe that such an alteration would diminish the expe diture by one farthing; but as a foolish feeling had arisen in Lanesehire, I e thought it well that the ratepayers should have an opportunity of seeing whe ther or not their intereds had been properly attended to. lie acquitted the Home Secretary equally of being the father of the bill and of being responsible for it ; but as to the talk of respect paid to magistrates, why the preamble of the bill declared that the " powers, authority, and duties now vested in magistrates shall cease," and if that were not abolishing, by a aide-wind, the magistracy which had existed for five or six centuries, he knew not whet would he. (Hear, hear.) That such was the intention of the framers of the bill there could not be the smallest doubt; it was manufactured in Lancashire for that purpose. and for that purpose had been proposed over and over again ever since he first obtained a seat in that hotter. (Hear, hear.) The whole bill was perfectly im practicable, because the counties were as different from each other as wire England, Ireland, and Scotland. (Hear, hear.) There were certain gentlemen who thought that what was good for Lancashire must he good for all the world ; but they (the Opposition) would sit there Wednesday after Wednesday until they had knocked into their heads the truth. (Opposition Cheers.) Mr. FELLOWES agreed with the hon. gentleman who had just spoken that the bill would be found impracticable. In his own county, Huntingdon, the financial board Inlaid consist of twelve members, three of whom were to be a quorum. Was the most important question to be decided by three gentlemen ? lie admitted that the smaller rate payers should have some voice ; but unless the county bu siness were transacted by one body, there would be nothing but dimension and confusion. PALMERSTON may think fit to say on the subject, this night is to show; and it will then remain for tho country to form its own verdict upon the temper with which its reprcsentativts treat these illustra tions of the different way in which justice is adminis tered and punishment awarded—on the one hand to the ready tool of the wealthy corruptionist ; and on the other, to n wretched penniless woman, who in the agonies of hcr condemnation allows license to a loose tongue. FRANCE. PAINS, WEI:1E881U% EVENING. Accounts received from Herne to-day state that Austria, without intending t.) occupy . the Canton of Ticino, has resohed to maintain indefinitely the blockade. The house of Meehanezola, at Vienna, has sus pended payment. The deficit is stated at :120,00J florins. The Germanic Diet have decided on an increase of only 50,000 troops, instead of 200,0;0 required by A ustria and Prussia. The Emperor of Austria intends spending soise months at the baths of Isehe. RS soon as the weather' improves. The Archduke William is to preside at the privy council during his Majesty's abseuce. It is announced that a grand tete will be given to the Emperor and Empress by the city of Paris on the 2nd April. The particular nature of the enter tainmsnt is not yet known. An article iu the _Whiten). de rArnitle throws con aid, cable light upon the vexed question of the reality of the reduction in the French army which has been announced with so much ostentation as a guarantee for the peace of the world. The professed object of the article is to show that the fact of the usual contingent of 80,000 men being voted for 1833 is no proof that the officially unnouuced reduc tion of 50,000 will not be really effected. But the facts and the argumeuts adduced are manifestly ad dressed to the army for the purpose of satisfying them that the milkers power of the government was never more efficient than now. It is beyond ques question that in execution of the pacific demenstra- Uou which the Emperor at the present moment de sires to make in the eyes of Europe, orders have been given, and will doubtless be acted upon, for dischurg irg by anticipation 30,000 men whose term of ea vice is about to expire. But the mess-room journal explains, what I have more than ouce told you, that three tneu, although struck off the present effective list, will yet belong to the army of reserve. They remaiu bound to the very latest hour of their seven jcurs service, and might be embodied in a week. This fact is dwelt upon as an argument in favour of the credibility of the French government when it solemnly- announces a reduction in the army. You can have no difficulty, it is said, iu substance in believing is the reduction of our military force when wo tell you that the reduction is of such a nature as to leave us as strong as ever. It appears that, although since 1831 a vote for 80,000 recruits has been taken annually, nothing like the whole number has ever been called out. The nearest approach to the embodiment of the full contingent voted occurred in 1515, when 68,0j3 soldiers and 7,033 saiiors, making in all 75,068 men, W. 11: recruited. In 1533 the total raised for the two set vices was only 01,01, in 1850 it was hat 36,811, and in 1831 the number was so low r.s 33,051. It is obvious from these figures, that without the fracas of calling out the army of reserve the French government, so disposed, might at once, quietly and without Ea rope knowing anything about it, nearly neutralise the effect of the discharge of 60,000 men, by the simple process of embodying the whole of the 80,001) recruits of the year, instead of the small proportion of them which, excepting in 1813 only it has been the practice to call out during the last twenty-two years. The Mondeur de i'Arniee shows conclusively that tor those who may not be disposed to rely ins• pile:fly upon the word of the French government, there is no assurance whatever that the army may not be even iu the course of the current year enor mously increased instead of reduced. It calculates that if the whole 80,000 men allowed annually were to be incorporated in the army, the number would be 300,000. To that force, it sass, must be added voluuteers, ever and above the annual contingent, 39,300, re-enlistments, that is to say, soldiers whose seven years term is expired, and who, at their own request, are retained upou the effective list, 17,300; gendarmes, 23,300; veterans, staff officers, &c., 3,700, and, lastly, officers of tell ranks not reckoned in the annual contingent, 15,000. The total of these figures amounts to 679,000 men, whist', says the Mweitetir do C-Iralec,is the formidable army that France could unite under its glorious flag, if dangers, happily not now in anywise threatening, were to require an appeal to our reserve, and doubtless this number would be immensely ex ceeded by voluntary enlistments if the national independence were in peril. What took place in 1830 and 1811 sufficiently proves this." In calling your attention to these unquestionably important facts, I wish it to be distinctly understood that I see nothing warlike in the tone of the Nei:deur de e.druit'e. But it does result from the statement made that, so far as anticipations of peace may be based upon the belief that the French army is potentially less efficient than before the recently announced re duction, such expectations rest upon no solid foe:tida -1 tion. The conclusion of the article' leads to the be lief that a larger proportion than usual of the 80,000 recruits will actually be called out this year, but it is stated that the custom is to incorporate only so many men as may be strictly necessary to fill up the vacancies caused by the nermai or ant,et puted discharges. The italics are those of the Ana:- tear de 1 '..drate'e. I am positively assured by a person likely to be well informed of what is ret' on at the Tuilsries, who wished to express their views, end as it was then too late for them to do so [it was 2.5 minutes to 6], Le would move that the chairman do report progress. Col. HARCOURT said the place which he represented (the Isle of Wight) consisted of but one union, and under the bill as it stood there would be but one ratepayer in the board. (Laughter.) The gallery was cleared for a division ; but none took place. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress and obtained leave to lit again. THE SOUTHAMPTON ELECTION PETITION. Mr. H. HERBERT appeared at the bar and said ho had to report that the select committee had determined that Sir Alexandi r James Edmund Coekburn and Mr. Brodie M•Uhic Willcox were duly elected burgesses to serve in the present parliament; and hanker, that the ,committee had agreed to a resolution declaring that there were stre.ng grounds for believing that George Warren and Samuel Masters in giving their evidence were guilty of wilful and corrupt perjury, and that tLe AttorncyGeueral should be ordered to prosecute them. (Great laughter.) The Hos. Menses then moved that the Attorney-Gene• ral should prosecute George Warren and Samuel Masters for wilful and corrupt perjury. Agreed to. THE MEATII ELECTION PETITON. The SPEAKER informed the house that this petition had been withdrawn. THE BURGHS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a second tune. ATTORNIES AND SOLICITORS' CERTIFICATES. Lord R. GROSVENOR obtained leave to bring in a " Biil to repeal the annual certificate duty payable by at omics, suliei!brs, proctors, writers to the riar.et, and no taries; and to amend the law relating to the registration of attcrnits and solicitors." The house adjourned at 10 minutes to G. PAIRC—ISSVR OF TILE Whir FOR BRIDONORTR.— Mr. Koatchbull paired for, with Mr. P. O'Brien ag.titut ; Vi , count Seuhain paired fur, with Lord Edward Iluward againat. - `4l4it ialcllrrril g• TU CORItiMPONDENTS. s -eorud fidit:on rf "Use Eames; ecenainirar the same ivzoirree G..sette," le p.PdieLed every ToesdAy mil Friday sight. in time for• mai. k leer Ls: meats intender/ he The Y.: ems," T node& Peening paps; mot! sat !he °Moe, to, Slcovetie...tenet, hi Two secleek on the iay of poi:ideation. tllOll WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Imo t) tv—diornieF. 23m. Afternoon, en 40n. fo-toie Jw—Morning. 70. 4n Mternoun. 7s. L ONDOS, THURSDAY, MARCH 17. FIRST on the list of notices of motion in the House . , of Commons fur this evening stands one referring to a case, before mentioned:in these columns, in which a Judge pronounced a sentence unsanctioned by any law generally recognised by the community. This I case is now to be brought for the second time under the attention of Parliament by the gallant Member for Westminster, Sir DE LACY Ist•ANS; and his notice rune as follows: To inquire of the Secretary of State for the Home De. payment, concerning a recent trial at the Middlesex .9,5- sion%, in which it is stated that Mr. Serjeant Adams, who presided, sentenced Mary Hill to seen years' transporta tion fur robbery, ant to three years' additional transporta tion for calling a policeman a pig ;—with a view of founding a motion thereon, if the facts be as stated, and if the pre sent state of the law be inadequate for enabling the Secre tary of State to correct this description of judicial adminis• tration. So short a time has elapsed since we fully reported the case thus referred to, that it is scarcely neces sary to repeat again any exact particulars. It is enough just to call to mind that a woman named MART HILL was tried on the tith of March, at the Middlesex Sessions, and con victed of stealing a watch from a man with whom she had made acquaintance in the streets late at night. That when the time came fur pronouncing sentence upon her, Mr. Serjeant ADAMS, the presiding judge, ordered her to be transported for seven years, but the prisoner having launched some abuse at a policeman who had given evidence against her,--call lag him "a pig; a perjured pig"—Mr. Serjeant ADAMS sentenced her to 10 years' exile, or three extra years' transportation, literally for railing at a constable in presence of the even-tempered SoLoN of the Mid dlesex Sessions. At a moment when tho public have scarcely recovered from their surprise at the result of a re- I cent trial at Derby—this proposed reference to the way in which justice behaves itself in Middlesex be comes doubly interesting and important. At Derby we see Mr. Buren PARKE—said to be the highest of high Turies—permlttlug MOUGAN, the Briber, to go free after conviction of the charges against him ; when, lo! turning round, we behold an Assistant Judge in Middlesex sending a woman to the heavy punishment of three years in the hulks for getting out of temper. How astounding the contrast! The town of Derby may be discredited—the electoral franchise be disgraced—the access to our Senate House be made a matter of infamous bargain and sale—the very fountain whence all our hopes of good legislation must spring be polluted by the in famous agents of an infamous system—the culprit may be token in the very act of using Tory gold to buy the suffrages of rotten voters in the very teeth of well-known acts of Parliament forbidding such Grimes, and ordering punishment therefor—all this may be done, moreover, at the very moment when the entire nation is ringing with indignation against the corruptors of our Parliamentary system, and when Despotic Rulers on the Continent are chuck ling scornfully over the rottenness of Parliamentary Governments; and yet the convicted culprit is re leased " upon his own recognizances "—in other words, allowed to walk from the dock scot free. At the very time when one Judge is thus dealing with the hoary-headed Briber, Moitomt, at Derby, the hulks have is their — ay liarge the young ..... weir gloomy . goin _- Viscount PALMERSTON said the proposal of the ri g ht woman, Muir HILL, to hold h er there - f or ten y e a r s I t h at a treaty , h av i ng reference g to the Turkish ques hon. baronet really involved the whole principle of the — co mpani o n of the guilty, the infamous, and the ti on , was signed between Eugland and Prance two limited) The °Meet was to establish • board, of wretched—shut from friends, associates, and liberty days ago. 1 can, however, only mention it as are limited numbers, to whom should be ecnifidecl the financial arrangements of the county, and which should derive its seven years for taking a watch from the temporary mour, which, to my own apprehension, does not ap origin from election. Now he was of opinion that that was sharer of her infamous amours ; and three years peat- very likely to be true. a good principle. It was affirmed by a committee of that for calling an offending policeman—a pig. If such To-day, at the Bourse, the closing prices were:— house in 18.51, on which there were persons net at all re presenting the democratic p r i nc ipl e , b u t as anx i ous f or the contrasts pass unchallenged, must not justice be Th ree per C en t s ., f or b ot h cas h an d th e accoun t, as brougatte isms. ht into utter contemn t us? Shall we pt amongs ; Four•and-a-Half ditto, 104 f. maintenance of the institutio ns o f th e country the right hon. baronet himself could be ; and therefore it was really not all again and again mutter with poor LEAR : and 104 f. 10e. for the settlement. 13e. for cash, Bank Stock a clap-trap to say that this was a democratic measure " Shut your eyes—then, handy dandy—change 2,740 f. arising from a desire to overturn established institutions, places—Which is thejustice,whichisthethicf?" With Railway shares continued to be well supported in and to bring into disrepute the gentry and the magistracy the declarati o n o f Major Benfisrono at Essex that p r i ce . of the country. (Hear, hear.) Th e real question which the charges against hint were the result of an infa- PARIS. TVESDAY EVENINO. the house had, then, to decide was, whether the proposed amendment was coneistent with the principle of the bill mots conspiracy—with that declaration on the hue- The Mottileur publishes another list of $8 persona and practicable in operation. It wu proposea to tinge followed by the disclosures of the Committee who were sentenced to various degrees of puntia aed a very smell number of elective members Rooms on the Derby election—with the apprehension meat by the commissions appointed to examine the in one case to 4 . 60 existing magistrates. Now he would and conviction of Briber Mortoats, found guilty cases of political prisoners after the affair of the and really ask the house whether it were possible to suppose that a board consisting of 4-50 members, plus the mem- . in the Assize Court—yet set free unpunished— December, 1851, and who are now pardoned li.• the ben who would be elected, would be a hoard which could with all these things fresh in memory, and then Emperor. advantageously administer the finan ces o f a county ? Wh y with the additional fact that a woman is The Marquis de Valdegamas , Envoy Extra‘od . ioary it would be like that house in committeeof supply. (H ear , to be transported for three year s f or ca lli ng and Minister Plenipotentiary of the Queen of Spai n, hear.) It was quite out of the ques ti on . It was curious to a policeman a pig—are we to be expected had yesterday a private audience of the E'.nperor, for perceive what uifferent views gentlemen of the same politics took of this measure. While the right hon. baronet pro- . to sustain or reverence our administration of the the purpose of presenting the insignia of the Royal posed an amendment which would lead to the establish- taw ? The Home of Commons has before it at this Order of Noble Ladies of Maria Lou, sa, which bit ment of a board consisting of rOO members, another hon. moment a Bill for adjusting more equitably than Sovereign has conferred on the Empaess. gentleman. who belonged to Hampshire, and who die- heretofore the degrees of punishment that shall The Emperor and Empress, wfale taking their approved of the principle of the measure, had just intimated to him (L'ird Palmerston) th a t, in overhang those guilty ofbrutal conduct to women. Is usual carriage airing yesterday, alighted in the a blow of the fist or a kick tho only way in which Champs Elysi , es, and walked a short distance along order to prevent board of ho i le r d dian from hou l d being . r ot, nhu g though t, a helpless fellow - creature can be injured? Can the promenade. They inspected the works of the one member. The right * hon. ientleman "the Parliament in its wisdom say that Serjeant Crystal Palace now buildinra in the Caere MariguY, I(l.l in ee e er ra ot he uosn r l f Y or Oxford (Mr Henley) thought many of the ma- ADAMS is guiltless ?—if Mr. Baron PARKE be ri g ht ? l and then went on foot to pay a visit to the Duchisi 1 gistrates would nev e r a tt en d, because of age or infirmity. If at Derby a Briber escapes scot free, is of Hamilton, in the Place Beauvan. In the evening What, then, become of the argument of the light hon. it 11 . ea itable * that a woman helplessly entangled they went to the French opera. baronet (Sir J. I'akington) that magistrates should couti- . - board, in order that their body might be Ter i nue at thefelony shall have three • . / _, M. Hubner, the Austrian ambassador, gave a in the consequences of a I suited ? (Hear, hear.) Represented against what ? he years' additional imprisonment for abusing a con- 1 grand dinner on bunday to celebrate the recovery of I very object of the bill was to exercise a contest over what stable ? Is it a greater abomination to scold a po- , his sovereign. Baron Rothschild, and about sixty we, supposed to be a lavish expenditure of county rates. Not that he himself thought the expenditure lavish. Re Beeman than to bringinfamy on our electoral system, ' guests, principally members of the toys tiVomatigee, and disgrace upon the House of Commons itself? To- i were present. believed that, practically, it would be much the same, . - steer this alteration, as it had been hitherto ; but the ex-peer of night that House, by its conduct on Sir Dr; L ACY I The Marquis Sauvaire Barthelemy, e satisfaction, and contentment, and harmony, amon g the EvaNs's motion, will have an opportunity of deciding I France and ex-representative, has just arrived 'a ratepayers, would certainly be increased. (Hear, hear.) th e ques tion. ' Paris from Venice, where he has passed a month lie objected to the amendment, on the grounds that it was When the case of MARY lIILL was last brought ' with the Count de Chambord. calculated to defeat the object of the bill ; and holding that if there was to be a select number of magistrates to manes° . under . the notice of the house of Commons, the m A numerously-attended meeting of bondholders of the expenditure, it should be the result of election. 1 nomE SECILF.TART who has no leisure for reading I the old Portuguese loan contracted in Parra in 1833 Mr. MILES would suggest that a certain number of ma- I newspapers—knew nothing of the case. By this time 'by I lon Miguel, and not recognised by Hotng, gi•trates, who were especially qualified to d ea l w i t h 1 hi s L or d s hi p h as h a d nee d not on l y to go over the ; M ar i a, was h e ld yesterday at the Bourse. i Several finances, should be selected at quarter sessions, and that ! the to these should be added elected member-, of the boards of . - guardians. There would thus be secure a a financial board rticulars of it, but doubtless to communicate with documents were communicated, and great satisfaction with an infusion of new blood,which would be well adapted i the Judge whose conduct has been called in question. ` was expressed that claims so long neglected had at , As the motion includes tho words, " if the facts be as ! length attracted the attention of the French hrorrri . to carry out the main object of the bill. (Cries of " Di- stated "—let us add that the occurrence appeared I ment. vide.") Mr. FRESIIFIELI) supported, the amendment. Mr. I'OItTAL said in bin woe pursuit of his object the and that it will, c ourse, • I • ' hof ''''• lin the newspapers from the notes of the reporter of I The Minister of the Interior has given notice to the court in which the trial of Mara Iltbt took ' day that private despatches for Piedmont will now right hon. gentleman had actually proposed to give the : place, of become his be reee've el at the Electric Telegraph office in Paris iraneltise to persons who were not assessed. In the win-', duty if need be, to verify those notes. The memory at the following charges :—For a despatch „ ..: - 1 ,! ebester union there were eleven parishes, none of which of Mr. Scrjcant ADAMS and the note-book of the ' wont:, from l'aris to the Piedmontese frontier,. i . 1 . : were assessed to the county rate ; yet the guardians of reporter thot7 pari.hen would, v.,.0.. r tee provi‘ions of the bill, have may possibly hold record of other ' from the Pielmontese frontier to Chambery, 2f. tit+r Ivr .a- in the eleetie n ..1 the fin owlet board. (Ilear, titer.) ini• 4lowed how lit•te tie right hon. gentleman knew of l ruliatities that may have drawn attention to the I to St. Jean de Maurienne, 4f. 84c.; to Lau , le Bourg/ ,x. r. Ivan ma/. may pas- • . Sc.. ;to Susa,Sf. c. ; to U 9 each in Middles M Se • t A 'S • "f tte the matter upon which he was legislating. Mr. SPOONER Said he was decidedly in favour of the sibly have been called upon to reply to questions Asti, 13f. 4c.; to Alexandria, llf. 44c. ; to (1, 31 e! ' 'front the IioME SECRETARY, and those replies may 15f. 80c. ; to Verecil, 16f. 72c.; to Novara, 171'. tile., principle of this bill; but as there were sevctal gentlemen' perhaps be made public. We shall see. What Lord to Novi, 15f. 28c. ; to Genoa, 17f. 36a.