The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-02 00:00:00

Tian —The mu et for both mule and water WI teady, and, with Hie tampion of mule, 60a. to 16.. 101- ;:d „ n om 20s. to Ms., which are a shade lower. prices the woe as when our last report was published. ;;: d ow e Ms biotin much rectum, which has been met i c by liohlers, so that, although a large amount of MM ..% to been done, there has been little or no improvement For Turkey red there has been lees inquiry. • esi to fee green of a known mark. MAUI% STolll.l.—Caavas brown and bleached dull. ( ..„4 4 , dell. Paints isf all descriptions save black, which • Try. dull.. thl of linseed dell. Spirits of tarpon wise in demand. Woot.—The market Ms been steady, and per oss maim, 14 be made fur the English market; the A A, are not so free as they may he expected. Prime little from those quoted in our last; Dimities gightly olminced. lap A ND W WM LEAD remain as before , . f,‘ oisrst. very dull, and has further declined in value. ut the very hest quality is request; inferior 0,1(1,111‘1 lees inquired for. bps. f lee market is quite bare of Allsopp and Bass ; v !l.l' been. the stork is still large. CoLLENA —A depression stiU (lists in the market, and o boe heart of so sabre ber iron has declined, as has also Karr mired shill*. mod remains as berme. as also sheet h o ot into. Swedish steel in tubs has advanced in value, [ a pt, remain as before, lead insistent and pip are as ps ., •• li n our last. Slicker in good demand, and leas os chat sdraneed in price. Tin plates have declined a h r e . Copper of all descritticas has declined, with the & QM' of tiles and South America., which remain as e.AA m •van.e.AAoor lout report. g ithuteul arrives in very small qoantitiee. W. eft 16. I , and Tellicherry arrives is moderate gum my, ned prices hove declined. —raodeish, Its. 3 10 16, and Sholapore, Rs. 3 316. Meek of both very small. Braes.—The market has been pretty steady. We quote y. 1,070 for new. The quantity of old remaining is Mom. The nominal quotation iv 1t5.1,033. THE TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE. yesterday evening the enema meeting of the A N OtillttOtt - for Promoting the Repeal of the Tales on K iw eigdge Ode hell at E •hall. and the spacious hall as oiled by an execoliugly respectable and influential su m' 111%y. tin the platform were Mr. Douglas Jerrold, Mr. U . olden. M P., the Right 1t... T. M. Othea, Mr. C. Knight, Mr D. Seymour. Mr. Hearse Creek desk. Mr. C.esell, Mr. Julia Chapman, the Bay. Mr. B.sekbers. he. le the mows of Mr. CABO! tA. Mr. MAGIAN: Jaanote WY called to the chair, and in tpcaiot the meeting, he said—Uentleinen,—We are Mnha hem this smarm to consider and de nde upo• a petition to the House of Common* for the total repeal of the tares on knowledge— these m•vt lazes, because most hostile to what is o i n k ., just, sod ben, ficial"—(chetn and laughter)-1 we t h a t those words are nit yet out of fashion—(hear, teat'—out beneficial for the moral elevation of the masses if the people. (Cheers.) There are gentlemen about me .6re as familiar with the statistics of the question as thi y are with their own tiugers, and I steal not there. fat.. in the few prefatory remarks which it w 11 be my duty to impress ulcer. you. attempt to touch upon that part of the subject. Mr. Charles Knight, in his " Struggles of a Sok," had shown—and I have no doubt he will add Mho' liberations this evening—how heavy the result has been—how the very best and the noblest books may get thi •or.t of A mid be ripped up by the Chancellor of the Esehequer. Mes (Cheers.) srs. Chambers have also shown that a work popularly addressed to the people—• work that at once broke out 30,000 strong—was, nevertheless sot Moog enough to 1:n at the taxes on paper. That work was carrying intelligence and mental recreation to its So,neal eutocribets, when it was written down by govern mere, for it vias written down by the exciseman. (Cheers.) With aspen to the stamp on newspapers, it needs very little to demonstrate the injustice and shaurdity of this tax. (Ilex, hear.) For myself, I think there ought to be a postage stamp—a carrying stamp. When we know that there are every day tens of thousands of newspapers, and every Saturday hundreds and hundreds of thousands tame to theuvelves winos of steam, and arriving at their destitution without the aid of the post-tffice, you might Medi attempt to tax the throbbing. of the electric tele graph, or any other ezhicle of information. (Cheers.) Why wt tat, fur untance, barristers going the circuit ? (Laugh ter) The advertisement tax, again, is • tax which the rate demands of every man, woman, and child that wishes to make known his necessities. Even the errand boy that wants a place must pay his eighteenpence. (Hear, tear.) It is • double tax—a tax upon industry, and • tax n want. (Cheers.) lint now consider the injustice of this tar. Why should your widely-eireulated newspaper be :and, when your widely-circulating omnibuses are allowed :J run as free vehicles of intelligence ? Why should Merv. leageloth and Co. advertise to every lady or gentleman who travels by the "Atlas" or " Favourite" gaolbreak *heir "everlasting shirts" at 30e. the 11•14dans ? aaughter)—end why should not those gentlemen be Weed upon to pay a tax for the beneficence of that (fdierniatio• ? (Laughtea ) Besides, almost everything is an advertisement. The tradesman's brass door-plan is an advertisement. There we have it—" Smith, tailor." (Laughter.) It would be equally just—if, for once, the Chancellor of the Etch.. quer would give his mind to the consideration of brass— (great laughter)—it would be equally just sad wise to tax the brass dour-plates as to tax the advertisemeat In a news paper. A/sin, there would be some Jambe ia this sort of impost. For instance—a quack, when Is hos paid his Is. tkl. duty for an advertisement of his see den Olken Cosmetic," wou'd not feel himself wrequi heron the apothecary would be taxed foe his ammo sa lb doorpost sad for he night-bell—sash poll, afghan-irons. (Lighter.) Bat weeder the strength het would awn to a state from the intelligeace, the ladnostba, sad know ledge, of the people • and so long se paper is the chief vehicle of csoveying th at knowledge, it is a reproach to a state that bathtub it even with • tratistes weight of tan bon. (Cheen.) Some few days ego,hor Majesty, thrash her Home Secretary, acknowledged Oho conduct mad the mural bearing of the people as • great nee tonal solemn occasion. (Be., ham.) The moral diznity of the people ea hat day invested that ceremony with a rest peolinad sod • most touching grandeur. It was W pm* at ear elevated sad controlled by the iallomess e( heir aelliweepest- bat what would they have been if it bad net ben he ion. sad newspapers ? (Chan) 1 gnat that then is an inhe rentquality in every SagUsbmea to rename, or at least b obey the laws • but then is to sae aill wisely sad hersaly nertrod men power them in the staves Oa thereat pelimeman. (Loud sheen) The inflasses of the weepers pro is a Glib meow Asa the Boras Guards and fleodembpard. (Mora) Why, era Lord Derby, in the Hone of lards, we. surprised into • Mar of admiration foe the people and fee that unbridled diameenney which it was his hensaappoialed mimics ire es = control, and so Madl, he inn (Clisen) As I ban to the !louse of Lashl I tell nmaak. Met ft has hen he haloes of Into—med • erg hides it it—lhr certain norm's sad erten enstabors of the arroary he preside at 100117101. sad NM to deliver then at Mahone initautions. Dukes sad earls an very wise in irk generation to do sue ((Meer, bear.) It is ma many mem age since the a peet e6 earl "the swinish mu tin& ;" sad we ha to ast pearls before swine was sad is a proverb he here the von perigatity of folly. Bat then is as Mager say swiair niu:titade, sad dukes and sorb, la the ehamener of easol. Masters, now gout Testae/ present their puede le he people. (Cheers.) a hag a gala era Ore nibs be trers—(therm)--oad din right to be hoe deb Veep eves log—not that we west thon—led they aught be ho here to croon this asserag, hr w have • just dein ad eight to era smociatios cad Mersey—to their rest emir airs satyfor at sem rinse at which they ruble_ Ali most elertantli descant apes the sand and aril blembew knoele age and men mast, thasehmk be the most determine; opponents of • tea en hardsdge. .) Pre, be this is it may, lot as eessleatig go v,roceent—whether it he whiff es seirehetber it be omervative or democratic (for we have lees threatened with that last horror)—for that gotraterent whisk abbe to be friendly to the spread of hassled,, sad the blanage of eduratioa, sad which still asatiarm a to en kaoseledge, • at unjust, tyreanieal, and an essentially bypooritical goverment. (Loud cheers.) Levers a gain, were read from ViremetChilsain ad the Rev. T. Spencer. br W•TTO, Of Manchester, proposed the bell senslation r follows That the duties wimple and eiweekeeseets, and the penny stamp on newspapers, teed to Injure liters tore, to iiheinet education, and to hinder the regress of the people in intelligence and morality." Mr. I:ii.AILLIIS KNIGHT, weeded the resolution. Mr. Ciiriusx, who was received with enthusiastic cheers, roes sail mid—Two or three times in the course of the %Kuhn ma le to you to-night, you have beard eomplaists made against the government for having imposed or main tais,il thee taxes on knowledge, and it crossed my mind that it was wrong to talk of government, as some abiarae ti..a from government can neither alit or benefit you without our own sanction or cesium& (Chan) I am glad to gad, from the opinion of this great and influential meeting, that there appean to be in the public mind a feeling kindred to that which pared in my own wind— namely, that it does not become es r Englishmen to talk of government as something that can do as harm or good with. out our owe consent. Wei are our own government— (chisere)--er at least we have It in our power to make It so. (Ileac, hear.) I am, therefore, glad to judge from the great d emons tration Of to-night tha t you are determined to take this inestin as you have other ones into your own hands, and when you do this I will engage that government will be found your obedient servant, in this as well u upon other subjects on which they exhibited more relic ante. (Hear, bear.) When I hod myself engaged in • controceny of this kind, heving • variety of phases, I always like to put what same to present the greatest difteulties—the others hong arab ti work thens.,elvto out, or to emirs the services of those who will work them out. But where there are questions which Mimee more power at the elbow, I am disposed to give it rather to those questions. (Mese, hem) Now there are three propositions berme us the repeal of the paper duties, of the advertisement dots, and of the stamp dot y, all of which are !octet injudicious and intole table burdens on the diffusion of knowledge. The paper duty is by far the largest of the three, being more than double the other two put tow- User. Yet I do not set myself to attack the paper dry so much ae the stamp duty, bemuse it will have many snore persons to attack it than the stamp duty will have ; sad, berhs, it will not be so each resisted, The whey. diseetnt duty is lees than 800,0001., and is it does set is vole* say party or political feeling the rummest will be less solicitous ia maintaining that tax, and it would not at all Guerin me if, within 48 keen from the present those, the Clieneellor of the Haeltaspaer was dealing villa that tau. (Hear, hear) But the newspaper stamp duty is • very differ's, sort of tax. Its amount Is under 400,000.1., but the diet:natty in this ease dons sot arise so auk hem the resistance offered to its repeal ea ac count of Its amount, bet on account of maw advantages which some pumas think accrue to °Male parties ia wi ther diem:ties. (Rear, bear.) This tax never was lapsed for the sake of reweave *ugh it was dilkult te make people avow the real nano for which it was lapsed. (Hear, bear) Now the real object of the summer Wimp duty was to prevent people hem reedeumpepere, sod I maintain that it is Maimed for t he Wham (Hear, hear.) Now, la speaking ea this sales• r i t I: always said that I considered aurepeper p o le be more important to the great mass of grows up than any other hied of reading. (Hear, hear.) I set mesa to say that newspaper reading is In itself men twists than any other reading; but what I mean to say is that the grown up MIS whom I see before me will, if they an basset, conks' that they reed more uwepapers than say other printed matter. (Hear, hear.) If that is the ISM with people who tan afford to pay the prise el a daily newspaper, sad to subscribe to news rams, bow mash aeon mast it be the sees with re 5. he the weekies dress, the great bulk of whim i reed ear* d reading. If this be am, bow Winos most sat dist he whisk prim ishoseles is the way MM. welling dere hides their mevorr et, aid that is the epseaden et the areepaper mum in BO esualry. (Hear, leer.) I love mei I is a allot plus -I as sled that we are edessedes es isol as le erre s hero epie—diat with repot to every Orr memeeilly bet people may sok themeilem with es snide =re their cireuriewithe and lesie. • as. ISM hay • bat from 2s. 81. le IL, esesedies to his Man sod researem, but for • daily smogs/ay theme Is a seseeetyped pries of 6d., below which he onset by • ne —that le the moo paper price ezelersly eispeed for upper end mild. classes. And unlmerm theireamove the atemp_ yen sever sem have a newspaper per witeriag as It Merl de to the eases of the pore elf this sessery. Memo bier.) I re member, oboe the eammitine wee eiWes led psi en this subject, that we eerier es American ILmtbessa. who is he connected with t seorper rem of imanty—Mr. Horace Oreely, of the New Teri Mire. He Mid es that la New York the anima, the seselmmikliwalkbeilder, the millwright, the joiner, the meth, Ind NM of this clam re ftived allot them their daily swopyw beers beesklastjed o the beaker or the mereheat saesiiel it in the City of London. (Hear, hear.) Well, but des% think that them men who go away from their table after waking themselves acquainted with the mesh MPe whole world will go to their heady work sew istialsest sad with better appetite—that they will hello the millet, the chisel, and the sew with mare elbst—that they will be better shipbuilders and engine makers than the men who cannot read newspapers P (Hear, hear.) I am sometime* charged with being wreag in appmaliag to the example of America, and am told that it as eery democratic of me to refer to America as an example. (Laughter.) But these people forget that we are now to have the principles of unrestricted competitioa, and if you an to open your ports, and to have free trade with all the nations of the world, and if you And any country, whether republican or despotic, where the working classes are bettor educated than your own, it is fall time to look about you, ;for that is the very country which will be most dangerous to those who have exposed their industry to the unrestricted competition of the whole world. (Hear, heu.) No., with regard to the population in the rural districts of this country, my *aka is that you will suer be able to reach them like the people of the towns by minas of such works as those published by the Messrs. alesabets and others. Them works are tot read by the mass laths people in the rural districts, and in order to stimulate their spire. UM fee reading at all, you moo fork Am wide smoo thies is the ire of news. MOM) I WM Wee psis to yes as ether from a letter of Lod ZZialkirbelime had great ezperience in this education fa says, alter speaking of the paper duty—" the stomp is by far the most hurtful of these bad taxes these enserial par ticular. The instruction of the working dense in the or try dbtriets, where it is mist warted, hem hems almost entirely prevented by it. When the . Usefel =edge Society' made foe years efforts of every kind to diffuse sound Warmed= amongst the peasantry et villosr i l las ti legs., tad farm houses, we were always met end by this stamp. One only chance of makiss these poor perm read win by wrapper up good ishossibe of a rat ios- value io news—especially news reiredes farming mown and things in their own pa le r seighbeeed. But the raw row mode this Womble. The pe of 12 octavo pare, ef whir test weld bees hos newspaper and the other eight ef a roe pang bemblies sr soon puma. neat ohms, betruedes se eidemeries sr loth, could easily hate bees mid he a pry after the sersary allowaaces to the hawker we other retail dealer. The history of the Penny Ilivaaina shows this • but the vast circula tion (at oar Wes 280,000) enablek us to sell so costly a wea very siFT: mi * I em sew re Me to what would be mere cheaply sad hoe a mush move limited di abetes, bet t could only be done mete there so stamp. TIM make. it quite impeasible, and ell ear Maas se far faded that we sold tel diffuse the bardedge when it was mot weset. Our beer were reed, sr they did great service, eel will de, brio leri g herrn down the pin of all best. but Ws mess snsw institutes we have sot yet got Ise eseish in moiety t sad that we or to the stem y, became we And that MVO error did set mak *Boreal slam mid m--enathee girl= wee waatel—aews. Of cameo my remarks op* abs o rb in the towns; but they hew bade user rim from their social habits, more eurusest Man the peers the country. The loweriag of the? bow lbeepeoce to ens poesy, I really can hardly as • bens& at all— if kin w a mar re ifir of nal it only relieved two &mos who required me relief. It peat senekistable sow kr the pWsele et sewarger perieton, est It sari yes - yes - nestme a ter porde • year, to whom this was but of little iespertmese. It did not seal& us to help general Mendes at all." (Cheers.) New, having bad ere uproot* of oral 116),I can vuech tar the assensey of the beers ea ef Led Brougham, W h o, hr bialses.sintlemed Weir is the sees. ef 011101. W h o,wee entitled lee eery great reaped. (Rase, /sem) If yes put into the heeds of the rural peeing treatises on esinsee, or is:treats too bury, or bobs a travel, they will afford no stimalas or ezeitomeat to sash people, sal they either will she teed them at all or they will very nes tall asleep seer Pa fellow them to the village green er te Ifs pulls rum, esd yes will lad dist their converse ties deco set tors epee the weediest Fslb of Niagara, or the Tale ef Chemenal, se the exploits of Alexander, but you MI hear him sink this: " When did Tim Odes kill hie pis?"—gresismo)—er "Now many parr te the acre des. - Farmer haft get hem such a MI a whist ?" Or if he travels at ell heft Ws own villik fall is. the ewe ef lON great amides; as that of • Mims is Wag swept away by emu great goad. These are dr that torte hi. opmpsdelso, sad heyerl Pit him meneig tees set p. ' (WE ~heer.) New, ha erre le melee lb ipmertis, sad to mehe bet bosom s ruder et ell, mew esesunge amp level newirpos. livery when tows simmill have its load shook sreednitg _ell the bed sews of dee Mrisk learkesk well of berie the sows of the O end im ardent end essatir sends. The wodd irks ile I word mg. - s a reader, end wheel ' yeslMPolleibil them eseiesaM is la, youmep the five his °Wm" Ohm sire sekirged sod wee wise. (Hear, MO DM It is poorly the eseenat ef mews that the law pressted hem being reldithed. (Hear, bear.) If yen rebel to ay that • bridge wee bier airs at seek ei piss% sr that the fannies mot set se that way, thle , left rem yes mold net pebble it wither Ming liable to penellies. (Heer, her.) And If times was • ardor law to roost people bin ormisiiiedes bete elms eon, I voity believe that trek pore wilt Weems primly ale, end that would set be Mis le Irak st all. (Lemellier.) spoulatio— tame,. erne yes bet modern— at=4: y or to-lay, so that is in or meal you may sot re (Hear, ham) tax may Is fest lee nimbi es a pro hibitory tax as modems Win hewed en dr gnat mem of the rural perform a this Gerry. (Loyd are) Now, what la the rumen of this reser with re , red to sew i r p rs. It rim der, that if yes hod reap would emiine. reed is Or keen = P ert sonar ehmester. The UMW (Nate ware pistil st, sad pare mid, see hew low isd ripe wed vitoweethe they are. New I iss these papers, aid I so I bow they lib of their ride more. I also see sad reed the .reopen is this reestiy—men Ikea I wish—sod I ore he it that the sewsperes of the United litotes do set reek is more moire or elhipmestive term of ' ispails mos this streak newmpapre do et lust lust or perides, who ihill li meembek I wasters le say that, dories the bet freight, you will i had is tee high litigator mew hen—ppm that are the mo veze c t s : c f dankeydese-1 mean the Berahl and the' hear)—mon pemenal ars. ef an y ils see le hie ernes then le to he hoed Best ups pub. lie isms is the limbed bore within therms pried. (Loud ehoees.) het wilmittleg, if you please, that newspapers will sesiediees brigs is raciness and seareenme, it is a mistake em thyme that the stamp on sorepapere it inhered to prevent the Om elessloths 0 leading errs. (Rear, bear.) Ten my ands% them withers* the stomp sow ; but that whisk mire be circulated is mew, sews I beta, fasts. (Hoer, bear.) Speculations ow atheism or ' socialism 'yea may circulate without the weep, because they are considered to be Merl matter. ' Now, all we scatted for is, that we should be allewed to publish facts without the stamp ; for it is hest ilia that the rational mind will be able to draw some nmelesions. and form safe judgments, respratiog the current woos d' the day. (Hear. bear.) Look to • newspaper, ad i = will see how small a portion of it is untaxed. TM articles are sot lazed, but the advertisements and the sews, which constitute the main value of a . paper, are bald. I do sot mesa to undervalue the brag artier ; NM a which are the most transeendant compositiens, iit point of style and intoned of any of the present day. (Hese.) Ne onetan Amy that ; butistill the great bulk of the people are more interested in the news than is the leading articles; and the news comprises nine-tenths I of the whole newspap er. You hue, therefore, a tax I which was Intended - to prevent the dilation of useful ; knowledge, and not to prohibit the diffusion of peraiciousopi. ' aloes. Let it n be forgotten that what we contend for is the free eirculetioa of facts, and not of opinions. We seek ' to His working damn that which the upper and the deism, as they are called, enjoy —an interest intim periodical press of the country. (Cheers.) The upper sad ' the middle classes of this country should take warning frees ' what happened in a neighbouring country. Have we set sees la Treace the freedom of the pre abolished with a mart stoke d of the pen, without any reiseass• Wog eared ? (Chem.) Do you think that this mid ham hem film M demise? TM people *UM United RUM Muldeseme mar their daily bread to he takes hem them sea& its paper, Why was this ? Demme la AMMO every raMmeiMand perm was la the habit of having aid reading his /sue stemusper Momenta Frame the privilege was seeleselle a small frastioa of the am musky, aid I believe that the mass of the French people meld met be able to road the acampapers even if they amid get the.. (Hear, hear.) Well, do we in this country rem on a Mad • ba th with regard to this se wall i as with aged to oeher ismAisits se he seem as against a similar peciesualag Mee? bit eel sere that by • majority of the pospie of Man • meniste annihilation of the newspaper prose would be Niftily felt as a deprivotion or • Mimi, ? (Hear, bear.) If that as I seam you of the upper and neiddlillill•M en the renal be slyest ass es =ella saathes, le litho that emir whisk will the reel mass the people ea the side etre ton dem of the par I : ig then ea lawns is its mate nem. (Mar, hear. Now, who are aniseed ye this? We lime net had m dir est eppesitioa„la ea avowal Mar. Hut the mum which some newspaper proprietors take leads meta suppose that they are resolved to oppose the nat their own meas. (Hear, hear.) - Hose is . ose a rfttil effects of monopoly—that it has set only • baserl sod pernicious effect on men's energise. bet en thv ir isitelleet and judgment likewise. (float Mar.) Wales the last fortnight a media( of propitiates; eff mo 'Medd nowspepers was held in Linden, and although they denswised es petitioning against the paper duty sad the advardesesset duty, they resolved, by a majority of 16 to 6, to memorialise the Chancellor of the Exchequer to re taia the stamp duty. (Hear.) Of course it was • pro Medial* whe made that propeoltion, and warribir who seeseded 11. (fiest.) las Isid the argereets they NW were pasitsly the as a these whir we used to her a era in serer to orarkwr question, namely, that N the stamp mos MISS of we would be isandatad risk bask Ind a we woe MI6 that if we nwesied Ibe era Isar we were be bordated with foreign talk is the reps et earn--(isaghend-what farmers could all aentiase their bearess, that lebsereve would be thrown out if empleneset, that they would fellow other pursuits Irish word - wrest ea the lowa% =I that the end would M p u l ls m g l orreree dm e h ill umaim Zear, hear.) I ra kes there U in seeing news. porn whisk ed= Les tole in sera turning round new and imietia. apes • renspely of knowledge. (Cheers.) I rearember tarty year. ego, when Lord Al hasp, the then Chemsdiler of the BeMquer, was so- Hied to akar the thee stamp duty .f 3j6. as the arm yard is edema, two or three cotton pokier enemodsibal bins is freer ef the re UMW of the dry ; that the noble lord, who had a great find of eareity. toil up the doireasst, sad said it was the best and stns asps' arrusent be ked heard for the remold of the daty, Ware, said he ' if Huy have se inisrad is mairring the tax, their interest must metrame the midis interest. (Hear.) 80 these gentleman were the lest who should be consulted in this matter of the no stamp duty. But I hope, for the honour of the Bog WOW•141/Wf_ VOW, that they will not make au& an inhibition et Memenlvas here the whole world as to appear the rimesser el hes wade is everything eise,whilst they Mamie mompeinfor newspapers for their own advantage, wafer the pies of benefitting the public. (Cheers.) The destok newspaper press use this argument, that the pray stamp is an advantage, because it enables • newspaper to be tranunitted several times through the Parries. Now, I meet that argument in this way. I will allow rum We privilege even for oae halfpenny, provided they will use the stamp on the whole impression, if other parties are permitted to publish news papers with the stamp and without this postal privilege. If this be done I should like to know how long they would costume to as the stamps? (Hear hear.) I think they would very soon get rid of them. But this is not • ques tion for newspaper editors or proprietors. (Hear, hear) It is a question that affects the great mass of the people. I hope they will take it up as a national question, and that this nesting, large and magnificent as it is, will be followed up by others still greater. (Cheers) I am afraid that I cannot ogres with the gentleman who has just spoken, that this question is about being settled for ever. It has lasted for 370 years, and lam afraid it will last some years longer—Cheer, hear)—bat I hope the people will at length see the importance of the question, and that they will not rest satisfied until it is finally Nettled. (Cheers) I said on a former occasion that literary men and men of education ihould come forward to advocate this question, and I as glad on this occasion to be surrounded by such men as Mr. Wildenpia the great advocate of infant causation; that brilliant ornament of literature, Mr. Douglas Jerrold--mad Mr. Knight, to whom the country is so much indebted fotpromoting cheap and ex cellent publications. (Cheers.) You must treat this as • question of education. The taxes a knowledge amount to 1,600,0001. a year, and we gave 600,0001. for purposes of education. Now, if we cannot do more than this for the promotion of ediaeaticia, we should at least remove this load of taxes whir press se heavily on the advocates of the voluntary system. (Cheers.) This is a question in which the liana is,. of the ago should take an intend. Uwe make Is • radios of education and literature, sad net • pasty ac>olitieal question, lam per suaded that although we may sot reseed this year or the next, the time is set for distant when is, efforts shall be incanted with MONO& (lend cheer) Mr. Rogow demounsod the law whisk required semi- ties for newspaper, esd awed as addlundam to the reve lation complaining Mar law Obe MI flee. 111., cap. 9, clause 8), as calmkged to = li the setaliblunent of work. asmisn's Tte a tbe securities must to the w t= middle dem. (land cheers.) The dem to which he beidepd was sa d nailer deep mist wmag. (Loud einem, same bkll/4 sad mewed cheers.) He wished that this leareas law arid be brought before the puha* a that when then elgiss et his class should colas to be dram* they ad set _at as be gegged. Were those rights emeo fairly Memene4 U send be - =hewn - *own that laws might be devised that weld he • ossq bar to the spumy et the impitaliseu : r iel l im es at bis " geoid= " sad wear) at Mr.Redgen less& sumer to's close, proteethig spinet the unfair Sesetemat be bed resetved. Mr. Clunt.as Murry sewer& the reellation amidst great essfasiss. Mr. Iseerraans O'llsrior 'rapport d the airadunt, whisk he arises is petrol ham say with the eyed fur whisk the assorg bed been essesse4 smartly, the seta blidmiet of • eaft bee prase. The newspapers now add at U. did sat U. ) iegeseer wi ' l lbe r czie • bit run than they did wises rip eint Mr. Mu.nas Otorei— your pennimiss. ir, I will make two or the ea diesreaduss in raisins* l• the addition whir kr bees marl by Mr. Radom and asesaded by Mr. Murray. I big to mg that thb isti berg • midis niseting kr • •hit sad resolosses seades of peat qusdiss. I de NW k as liestesselhis thst those shield base intimined the ta views to your ns am i sd ies sf .Lesam.) Order peat presisiss ups which the as borsd e sad of whisk she laser may be band monad its perm. ens* amempands with the peter st the sensai. (Cheer)_ The ardent's Who *mod the ardatiss sommilled thromdees to re had priesiple that they raid aressirele the prom bar all assirel, except that of • wart ef kw—hr ft was never inianded that a sea sherd be Area to libel others with impunity. (Cluare.) Net while we muted that the nor web! be band airiest to peeled peresnel charm ler, we lit at M derreillog era elw that ho rrid ms re=dens th somity. die prosm was that bwr by • rebore de re t• libel as pours of his isiew Mors. I bar ens, therefore, the Ira Millealty in or ring Mho neer dike whisk has bees mori& If I may amide of liessdait the oWer tree prionsen have s li lli g I arid. Ate the weed " adeerbuorsts" in the ef ulqrsi t iation.tin esealr p a te i siz t r ass ,..= . ..al e sysion" Intim serespand arias* silk the puisdelll9 of the Amosiatios for the Repeal el M. Tres an Knowledge. (pi s ) Now, no it Mr beeslmbed tome to have the of submittlag this Iste te the eassideration of ZireAmoths rise. I will Ye Os liberty of call. ntlemliss of ibis mesas le the pe i tlen is whir the roam new deer They have always had direly is as what sews was. Mr. Charles • purisdiesi which contained new., hut It only same re air • math. He had high bp* advise, mming his that NA . I? paper was not • mairrapsr. sada& net asstila news raft the meani ng of the see. Bored a mentedss, sad *hedged a favourable jadgment; bet re Dori • 1 Wise Newer refused to easeleam wed meta that they wend reseed by writ of sem to mem that jadgmeat, sad to ender the stamp ' ups Mr. Dickens —or rarer Messes. Dredbary mad Evans, his pablishers. Now, it seems, they ha taken bight, and they are ring to hag in • bill, of whisk nodes has been exilathe - ArrserCieseral, to make a parliamsntars as seers of what a winnow ix Now, r ' the Adoney-General, on Um pert of she grarainsal, is Ledag to doctor the Newsp aper Stamp Act, I repels to esinateur my assistesos. (Cheers.) If we are to attempt to mead the liewmpoper hemp Act, lot as sr whore we onset mho sosasei like a red job of it. (Cheers.) New, what is sewer When we inumaird the eolleotor to the Herd of Island Itmerm, whose duty it is to Mures this tau, and who, of Oil men the world, ought to know, we asked him es give • desmiption of an article upon which he cos @WM himself hotrod to impose the tax. He paused • Mr while and then be said • Queen's speech was news; sal that say men ire printed the Queen's speech on a Om of kes's" without • stamp was liable to • penalty of SOL " Wed thsa," we diked, "is the Chancellor of the Haeltagera's speech nom?" The answer was No, he did not think it was; be thought It was net a such • etre affair a • Quest spar. (Laughter.) Then are your pablie arena wbe see reassdag large salaries to 'afore this tax, sad who ought at bar to know ' what are the articles on whisk it druid be lord; but I , ' Amid have thought it was jest the were. I 'Maki have ✓eaght that theft WOO say anering ilmit seem marred are it was • Qnsea's spoods—daisghtor rd reers)— (cbs eing and I believe we as se - how arils news Is the shape of • vary nerd bum the goner Chancellor of the lindiequer. ll orris., &Atrium oa knowledge will be a pert of heart (Mon sheer.) I entirely esemorred with my hen. Arad that of rue three tares the newspaper gray is thew iiparbse. They on ell I. purteat, I admit ; and I. onlunillibg this aeries to perm mint, I have moved three resebatisse. 41/1 ht the repeal el the paper duty, ardor for that of the adesolismasut duty, rid a third km that el the stamp; bat I hew always felt that the sesinsses word be te the drew be in that really re the garbs Odom arrepspees. (Hear, hear.) The shurissaisst duty, no ruby was • mirsaa devised be wipers the sowspaper ress. braes the newspaper is the Wirer yards kw aresliewasais ; and also because sherrements bra a legitimate ad the Arras worse of per to the nevreparr. 'Tree eight to be advertisements r e = =as lw illiPtil the wrestler sad maintain its ; bat the leideletare ear to society, may aterlise all test. end is entsibeles, mad you may 1 THE . EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 2, 1852.. sea say °dm mamas et neaklag public your waata s hot if you p to • oewspapu I will has 1541 MO shilling aad @hippo owls gas,. what is that 1•16,:i„. We ROM to drive the world stray from sap aowepapor pees." (Cheers.) Now we have 111611111119 is the stamp that seam newspolors Wu/ that %ha INISMINII say be affected by the rivalry of Amp galantine; hot the fear of inferior publications emus to am M emosal is this ; ausaly, that the stamp In Itself has some sigh. poser of Improving the quality of newspapers. if UM this I am only say, that some of the 'Ueda( ouvripagen wield bo very much benefited by inorsaaing the stamp. gg e. ttghtilt.) DO they mean to my that to make this pany belfries would improve the Montag Hawk, sad the MortsV: If not, bow is it that this stamp au be said to th se ezality of the press t (Hem hear.) asked of a wittier in sosamigea s god be sold that be theargist s lido oddities went prolese as lap meat is the entalinked peels. But U that wove se, why not add • Hai. moue, sad go ea until we had stampe d up to a state of aboilets perfostkm. (Chine sad leaghter.) I bewve that the eutahliehed pipers, dune whisk hew a public 'spanks owl army its public seendssee, would retain the bell whin they new puma apse the genesal opinion of Ms nensunity I that M. sheep papers whisk would one oat if we said AAA then sales would ha elreulated in a dal whin Is net es pigged by the existing unpins. Ines; sad tbog mos. sandy tiny wed* net ISM We ftest egammlitisa with NISEI. (Ron, hoer.) Let us thereinto devour by by ' , numbing no inense upon sou Mew countrymen that It we are really n have ea educated mid enlightened peep* we must reeneve these Anal ebonies to the Main of knowledge. (Cheers.) No penes in a iseelipi GOO will over give u credit for No dodge to diens absestiss, mini we de all in our power is NUM nese then regeistiess, whisk were impend net ki Os salts of meat" bat Ikon akw din our iinmes wash mg he sate Ws. the people were Len in ignsanos. tileardwora Ws bold. however, a diMesenspiden. owl we ose so beim nib far ear hatta tins se thee of as enlightened penis. (Lend dress.) Mr. I. wu.sisarm mapprad the rese e =n . d dwelt at some length upon the gems! topis The reeslatioa was then pet and seeded inessimensly. Mr. If ocurez.t., n litesed, deseibed the mean to which be had boon treated by the naked amass Oasis. H. had bus implied to disosatinu a otomthly oostemped publketioa by throws of prosecution. ILL Debitaell con cluded by moving a ressistisa attributiag the *etudes of the newspaper pimp tea dein to swam the liberty of the prem. Mr. BO:June,' of :Lowestoft, seconded the ropolutiou, and described a similar mse Is his neighbourhood. Tim !notation was unanimously agreed to. Mr. Moir Sense e, M.P., snored the third resolution, which appointed the c the president and committee of ths emaciation, Mr. Co Mr. C. Knight, and Mr. Dighy Seymour, • depntatios to wait upn the Prime Minister, to pi a the repeal, rather than tM amendment, of the Newspaper Stamp Act. Mr. Pniz.urs seconded the resolution, which wu also carried unanimously. Mr. Mimes Olsson then moved • vote of thanks to the chairman, which was seconded by Mr. COlDilt, and curried by acclamation. Mr. JIUROLD ap propriately acknowledged the compli ment, and the meeting separated at 11 o'clock. CITY OF LONDON UNION.-THE POOR-LAW COMMISSIONERS AND THB NEW RELIEF ORDER. In the afternoon of Tuesday a meeting of the board of guardians for the City of London Union, most numerously attended, wu held in the Board-room, 61, St. Mary-axe; Mr. TH0114701( In the chair. Two matters tended to make this meeting of the guar dians of especial interest: the first was that it was expected a communication would be made to the board on the subject of the report on the new relief order, and the rumour that Mr. Hall, the district commissioner, would attend; and the second, that Mr. Singer would move, according to notice, the following resolution, namely : "That this board, being deeply imprened with the eon viction, that the recent relief order of the Poor-law Board is calculated to inflict extreme hardship upon that clam of poor, who, though reduced to poverty through unforeseen misfortune or auction, still maintain a character for re spectability and industry; and having in vain represented this point to the consideration of the Poor-law Board, do forward a petition to the House of Commons praying the suspension er alteration of the said order ; and that a com mittee be formed for the purpose of framing such petition and ensuring its due presentation." The minutes of the former muting having been read by the Clerk (Mr. Rouen), the ordinary business was gone through. The Annum Commissioner, Mr. Hall, was present during the whole of the proceedings. The following Letter, from the Poor Law Commi•sioaen, was then read " " Poor Law Board, Whitehall, Noy. 29.1862. am directed by the Poor-law Board to acksow ledge the receipt of your letter of the 19th instant, in which you transmit to them • copy of the report mad* to the guardians of the City of London Union, by the eons mittse appointed to consider the provisions of the general relief order of the Poor-law Board, dated the 25th of August. 1852. iam directed to state that your letter and the report enclosed in it will receive the consideration of the beard, and that they will osannuoicate farther with the peahens on the subject in a short time.—l am, sir yoga as abode. servant, " W. Ktstatis , is& " John Thomas Rower% Esq., Clerk to the Guardians of the City of London Vales." Aftr the communication had been roseival, The Ciotti's/a odd, Vat, as Kr. Mall, the aseletant remashisser for that &Met. wee thIPPIONAPP=a weld be the &awn of the Board. Were they to Mame_ any matters hat*, referents to the morel order of the Pier.kw Beard as to ent-deer uhf, to beer any obssevadens the loareed meminiener AIM Mak ft meow ems to aidrms to them. Re (the ehennen) embattled that mesh • amen trgeht be Rest desirable. _ isi7g - areeTeneuelyegn;d a, Mr. Hem. mid be did set appear um that tension macially epos the abject of the relief ardor, or with refer ees' to the repot of the board of gusediine therrapea made. It we Ms pleasure to sell is that day at their heard raw tag, iaeelafaf test is aim degree at lent he might he useful to theieeeCetiosalkek la famishing oapiameisse whisk might 1e aeseW while the subject woo seder dis bard maks. - ( 0 Me.,," mid ohms.) mi n thew se Me had pmettasil him to opisiess, be woaid ay ha amid rageork se to the " guagestresse" to the Peer law Bard wide h bed emassied hem that bard of guar diaak that the anew used in the report wee expressive of wafts feeling, and parka's hardly so judicious es it might have bas. ("Hear,' sad " No.") However, be that sa it might, he would say he knew it to be the feet that it wee the with of the Pear-law Board not to act milady or Malay towards the peer, ear uneeemly towards the board of risrlins whom the tommissiesen sought in this oak wee ishinaaties epos a soMfoot deeply ialessatiag to the board, the yardage. the Memel@ at large, and the demean pear dna ashes. The heart of wake* would mamba Ma shaelimeeedy with the psheaties of the_ _asemi the seder as imemustisaal letter wee Weed, wash stated the MUM Wily the Poor law Beard had thought it lobe ex pedient to Mae to certain padebesead usage the "Samara Order" the edsdahtraties of relief; prorates, maims labour teat he able =S as eades. The kept is view in all tholes vision if that under was that wash was estaleaber the harthied of Intabeth, cap. 2, ammels, that the cabled yre three ha Wined. sad the alsio-bodled is am ; w Meg prima* el dripper law was aid wa in Mrs hisk mei Wert sante The alturamorialte sad ateasers thee Isko ardar is.. gee to gas bar snag to week the shins of all sash ensue paints nog ass by the said elnrawardsms and .amen, or the peeve pert of them, be ihought obis Is keep and ineintoin Ask children ; and also be "sign to work all stook possins, married or ameideil, as sans to minstaia thim. and tasks no Nana sod trade of lib to get their living by; and she to rain, weakly or otbonries, a un easiest sleek if fins, hemp, wool, thread. Its., eel ether ware ad rag to set the poor in work; mad sin widest sans at more bar and maze the ansissay sad ot Ins ham impasse, dd. bind. sad wash sober arm nen Inn wase sail neS On to won." Tho Poer-law Deed. be (11r. ettlet se/ and hay of ogasion that thin twin whisk and not be entrovensd, notwithstind- Zit hea sseital ronnetranses they had received hen Met ant melees; amd, twined, it was dm hot that in me ewe bed the roommetnate ettesked the pahmiple,eatt ue s %ania as loftily agony their existing system of The comakeksses were therefore MOW ie the opines that the peineiple upon which the law was band was a sound principle, for although it did appear that in INN cues something wee alleged ea belay nappilialis to the circumstances of a certain union, in alma sit of theta the spirit of the order was more or lees genial est. Ia the remarks be (Mr. Hell) would make to the bend, however, upon the order, he would nut go gemorogy ins the ques tion, but confine himself to his ewe-the matropsikaa dis trict, and in that extensive area he kart that the mint of the order was observed ; still non hal bows difilmoness of opinion, and circumstances which had aredexploaatke, but he ad found that in most ease expasatios only was nee wary Nan effective working of the measure. The principal objection to the crier had been taken against part of the Article 1, which provided that Wh the guardians should allow relief to any indigent poor person out of the workhouse, one third at least of sea relief allowed to any paean who should be indigent end heigekes from ago, *Mien, acci dent, or teak er mestal alemity," Ms., " Assad be gives in artisan of iced or teal or eller srdsissof absolute neces sity:" With arenas to this Mine they hod received a variety of remonstrances, mil some pigs hod even gone out of their way to Mate tint the nest wog inhuman and cruel, forgetting, as nth paten meet have dem% that the application of the pronism emit wassisseity have to be notified amain to the eirmmelasses sommens4 with the digit's' ears to which it might bi onstiend applicable. (=sr. Inma n'w was se Nimbi maks with regard to the of relief In lid to no oil and imam, bet *sin wan an places to be bind elms IS ions not isms in a resist or a item degree; but the paper of rah relief meet fa ague* mains sod paLYa Ann SS to OS per seat. during tiepin onnentinwhes the arenas sisefaisly woe exceediWily tow. The peoportion of relief in hied cad rano, in the City of Louisa anon wee not mere thee le per sat., mid the opentin of the ardor would eensagently maks a itt slings la their relief, and, Norge, the giss sinless of that board as the nanlosisnass had mound the to give the sew orOtt a fair trial roped lha malt to the mosiethsiours at Whitehall. He (Mr. Hall) we glad to say that shout half the onions and parishes under his supervision bad agreed to carry out the order. /guy ethers were asking the experiment, and several had made arrangements to do so. (Hear.) He did not blame the guardians for remonstrating; certainly not; but he thought it to be his daty to refer to other eclat' in speak ing to that board upon the subject, se that be might show to the 'Birdies" that there was not that objection to the order which some of the members had expressed, namely, as to its being contrary to humanity, and " calculated to lafifetextreme hardship upon the deserving poor." (Hear.) It bad silo been said that it wan impossible "to carry it out. This could net be so, as he had shown that it wan now and had for mom time bees in operation in sever.) Having said this pelt in the shape of what might C i e wil lse;ned an stad* the Put Law Commissioners— leave to my that they (the Poor Law M e s: )-11. ere behead to review the local objections raised by the srasrdises of that union. (Loud cries of " lies, , hear.") They were inclined to view each local objections favourably. Mr. Roen—l plumose any modification of the order will not necessarily tend to its abrogation? Mr. HALL should say not; but he intended very briefly to say a few words the order, following the man nor in wish the eallest beta treated by that board in tksir 10:5 4 :1zr the= to the Poor-law Board. Having 1, he would proceed. To article II they aerie obiestiae. As to article 3, which &dared it not to be lawful for the guardians or their WAIN w establish any applicant for relief in trade or busi ness, art to redeem tram pawn for any such applicant any reek bedieved that no board of guardians report Midis auk eases and in such manner to be desirable. He remembered, however, an instance of a good-natured gueedina who onto s aid might be a good thing to give to the able-bodied bottles to hawk; bat an other rejoined, " Why then you would have to find the man a hawker's license." (laughter.) Of course there would be instances in which a relaxation of the rule might be absolutely , but there could be no doubt, he thought, of the souls nem of the principle upon which the article 3 was based. In almost every instance is which the system was followed in that union, the amount given was exceedingly small. (Mr Hock—. It is quite the excep tion.") Undoubtedly he (Mr. Hall) believed it was so; and what was the result? Why, that they found the people had in • great measure ceased to resort to and tease the guardians in order to obtain that kind of assistance. (" Hear," from several guardians.) He held that it would not be right for the guardians to allow any party to leave the u nion, or any applicant for relief to go away in a state of absolute destitution. (Hear, hear.) Supposing they wore any of the union clothing, at such a time it would be hard to divest them of every particle and turn the unfor tunate creatures upon the world gimlet in a state of nudity. finch a thing was never contemplated by the Poor-law Board. (Hear, hear.) Such was not the practice at that board, he was sure ; nor was it the general pracEce ; nor did any such system exist ; nor had it ever existed. (Hear, hear.) There was, however, solid grounds for the article as authorised by the Poor.law Board. Thee (the guardians) ! might search all the statutes upon the subject of relief to the able-bodied poor, and they would find the order to be agreeable with the great and judicious principle enunciated in the 43rd of Elizabeth, the main provision in which was to set the able-bodied to work, and to relieve those who were not able. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hall) had , known of such cases as giving a man a badge, so that he might earn his livelihood as an omnibus conductor; and in another case, that of purchasing a license fora man to ply for hire with a cab. This, however, was a foreign mode of relief—a mode which he did not hesitate to denounce at once as Inexpedient and improper. (Hear, hear.) In con clusion, as to Article 3, he would candidly tell them that he would not hold maths slightest hope that the commissioners would introduce thereinto any modification, though they might do so in the first article. With reference to Article 4, requiring residence as a condition of relief, that must be admitted to be a good regulation, and the laws of settlement and of removal had done good service in adjusting the diffi culties which once surrounded that question. With respect to any remaining cases of extremity, he imagined that the "exceptions" appended to the "Article" would meet every case. If they were to go through their relief list, he felt persuaded that they would find but few cases to which the exceptional clauses did not refer. Mr. Stmosa said thalweg not so. They had agony cumin she City of London in which relief from the poor rates was given, although the party did not live in the parish. In deed it was not possible for the poor persons to reside there, inasmuch as the small houses had been swept away by so called improvements, to make way for the large warehouses. la the arse of • widow, also, he remembered a similar hastens*. Mr. Hatt. would advise the board, in this and every other ease of doubt as to the fitness of the provisions of the general order, at once to set about ascertaining the facts for the information of the Poor-law Board. That was one of the objects the commissioners had in view in requesting the guardians to try the effect of the "order " as an experi ment. (Hear, hear.) In such a ease as the on. alluded to by Mr. Singer such a cue might be at once made " special," and be dispos ed of accordingly by the guardians pending further instructions upon the subject. (H ear , hear.) He bad no doubt the Poor-law Board would allow the amount granted without any interference. He wished to say, however, that the Poor-law Board did think it right to discountenance the practice of out relief, still they were anxious to make the exceptional clauses as perfect as possible without their being arbitrary or oppressive. (Hear.) He would, therefore, ask the Board of Hasidim@ to suspend their judgment until the order was matured. If they were cognisant of any proposition which they believed to be impracticable or likely to be injurious to the poor in its operation, be hoped the board would furnish readily such information as would tend to the cosautisaionen . _ — The Pcer-law more perfectly informed. ( Cheers.) Board salted them to make out their case; they invited them to do so, and he (Mr. Hell) had no hesitation in say ing if they thus laboured mutually together that the best possible results would be realised. (Loud cheers.) He felt that it was not necessary for him to go into the other parts of the order : the most vital points he had alluded to, sad he would therefore sit down and content himself with answering any questions as to the order which the guardians might think fit to propose to him. (lieu.) In answer to a question pet to him by the chairman, Mr. Hall distinctly stated that the operation of the order wee rosEsetive " not " retrospective." FINIAT-Fll3Ol the summary of the general order in the supplemental letter of instructions, the guardians are directed to report as to certain cans to the Poor-law Board. Are these cues to be individually reported? Mr. HALL—Yee, that is in accordance with the Act of Parliament. The Poor-law Board are not responsible for that; the statute makes it necessary that the soden of the Poor-law Board and the Board of Guardians should be " concurrent." _ iliZialuusr—suppose a cue stands ovor while te ported opal. soy for 14 days, who lo to pay T—will the amount bo slimed Mr. Hat L—l gas only say that for the Lit six or seven yams I have lad espariems if onashiag sager 630 unions, sail have dead as dilllsaity, although than has been in semen ardor wee Whose than this. Mr. Lem wished to laow whether wader emy eiresm etaaam relief might be given to as able bodied per, sap ha only made • hw shillings pm weak aid had • Tr.ramily ? halms this will be as digieralty. You will ia sash • saes, el aesrw, es usaid. have • mom of het to deal with, smi yea mast gaaiioeassedingly. Lvov—ls the sest et a *Jibs pew 52f l as tiumo . Hr.llall—By a "jobbiaggseemo I einem yea soma • Weever .ay casually angle/et It so, the are is the NEM _ Surobs—After the is seisms' hen the work apes whisk he has beta ageged, lad this falls into We ems, OSMIUM Midis seeessery, Relief is such a ease is set prohibited seder lite sew War, soft 01111 it be refused. It does set bile, bosom tbe mat may bare a basket of to* that be Meson Ineligible. Kr. Bars—Desidedly sot. BNITE--81111,00S a Ma son out of work tosterday, and obtained relief is coasepeesee, sad today • is eat seta, what doion do with his t Mr. Hat.t.—Rsilitwe him. Mr. Stmona—l knew the ease of a man who had seven children. He was by trade a boot-closer, but out of work; he also wanted tools. We gave him a small pant of money, after being satisfied es to his character. For some ti me did well, but trade falling off, he became again destitute. Can we, under this order, give him another start ? Mr. HALL—Yon may pre him relief, but you cannot give him another start." (Hear, hear.) Mr. thma—Has there ever been an attempt to cony on miens upon the atiltsupporting principle, kir. Hall / Mr. HatA—We have done so; but we have invariably tab& (Hear, hear.) =A$ this state of the proceedings Mr. Singer agreed to ikdraw the nation of which he had given notice. Mr. Larne moved a vote of thanks to the Assistant Poorlaw Commissioner, Mr. Hall, for his urbanity, and the ready information he had afforded to the board upon dist comerion. '!W woreeeen did by Mr. FINLAY; and carried smug. The Lesurrmer COMM/MONIS acknowledged the eon rapitertat. Immediately after II hill the guardians sepa te/1. THE ROYAL SOCIETY.—The anniversary meeting of this learned society was held on Tuesday last, at Somer set Home, the Earl of Rase, the President, in the chair. There was a very large attendance of Fellows. The noble President delivered the customary address, after which his lordship awarded the following medals : The Copley medal, to Baron Humboldt, for his eminent services in terrestrial physics. The medal was received for the Baron by his excellency Chevalier Bunsen (the Prussian minister), who thanked the misty in the name of his distinguished coun trymen. The Rumford medal, to Professor Stokes, of Meenheilip t hehie disperser of eee in the refrangibility of t, Is lir Philosoph Transactions ; one of the al mollals te Mr. Joel*, for his paper on the Me itodmilent of Heat ; the eseemi Royal medal, to Mr. Wediey, he hie paper en the Anatomy and Affinities of tke Pandly oldie Medullar. The society then proceeded to the election of the following officers for the ensuing year : Preddent, the Earl of Rose, H.P., M.A. ; treaturer, COL Waned Sabin., • eeeretaries, Mr. Samuel Hunter 431shase, M.A., and R.A. dr.:Thomas Bell ; foreign secretat7, Captain W. Smith, RM. After the election, the Fel lows and their friends dined together at the Freemasons' Tavern. The Earl of Ross, the President, twed th e chair, supported by his Excellency Chevalier boners, the Earl of Enniskillen, Sir Robert H. Ingra, M.P., Sir Chas. Lemon, M.P., Sir Roderick Murchison, Mr. Babbege, &s. WPAT FLANDERS RAILIVAIL Trait, for the ltinith of September, 1862; 1,8311. 12s. Bd. ; tememeading I period lid Pare link. lid. PASTERN STEAM NAVIGATION COMPANY. The half yearly meetinir of this company was held yesterday, at the London lavers, Sishomgats-street, 11. T. Hope, chairman of the company, presiding. The SZCANTAILT (Mr. Yates) read the report, from which the following ace eatrards " In conformity with the proceedings at the extraordinary general meeting of proprietors, held on the 12th of July Last, by which the directors were authorised ' to take all necessary 'measures for carrying the objects of the company into effect,' your directors have been engaged in further summation into the practicability and the best means of constructing vessels of power and capacity to perform the voyage from England to Calcutta, and, if deemed advisable, to Australia, without stopping to coal by the way, and have continued their inquiries as to the amount of pas sengers and merchandise that can be obtained, in order to melu the employment of such a class of vessel. remunera tive. On the first point your directors have satisfied thesseelves, upon what they conceive to be the highest authority, that vessels can be constructed with capacity for carrying their coals for the whole voyage, with increased ability to provide for passengers, luxurious and roomy cabins, with air, comfort, and accommodation, on a scale hitherto wholly'unattainible, and that the size and power of such vessels will eoestitute, in a high degree, the elements of greatly increased mimed, certainty, and safety, while the disposable capacity for passengers and cargo wal l be multiplied in a higher ratio and be attended with an actual diminution in the proportionate working expellees. On the second point your directors are satisfied that a suffi cient number of pusengen, with such an amount of mer chandise, will be obtained as will render the employment of the class of vessels referred to, making one voyage out and home every two months,. the source of a large return lip= the Capital invested. • • • • • • As regards the class of ships prqposed, your directors have satisfied themselves that a vessel of unusual strength, ca pable of resisting any strain that it can possibly be subjected to, divided completely into numerous water-tight compare meets, so that no local injury can affect its safety, may be constructed of the necessary dimensions to carry the re quired quantity of fuel, and yet to draw only 21 to 22 feet water on arriving at the mouth of the Hoogly, and they have satisfied themselves that this depth of water at least can, with certainty, be obtained up to Diamond Harbour, while a greater draught exists is both the principal ports of Australia. Should a greater depth be found hereafter to be attainable in the Hoogly, as many experienced men runert, it will afford increased facilities ; but your directors have determined, in the first instance, to limit the draught to that stated. Hy the use of paddle-wheels, combined with the *crew ' which your engineer recommends, the most competent and experienced men concur with him in opinion, that such vessels will, notwithstand ing their size, be more easily managed, and be more completely under control, than the present steam ' boats, even of small dimensions. With respect to the size, ' the experience of the last twenty years has proved deci sively the advantages of increased dimensions for all classes of sea-going wools, but for steam-boats especially ; and the I introduction of iron in ship-building, which has enabled vessels to be constructed of any dimensions, with any de gree of strength that may be determined upon, has nitro duced an entirely new law in the determination of the site and capacity of ships for any given trade. Increase of size is now ascertained to be au element of increased secu rity, speed, and relative economy, such dimensions ivies limited only by a due regard to the amount of capital to be embarked, to the supply of freight and passengers that can be obtained on any given line, and to the peculiarities, such as draught of water, of the ports to be frequented. The very great advantages of increased size for vessels running to distant ports, such as those of India or Australia, may thus be briefly explained :--Steam-vessels of the sizes now in use require to coal three or four times in • passage to Calcutta; and although the power of engines at present applied to such vessels is small, being called on that account auxiliary, and the vessels obliged to be prepared for sailing, and nearly full-rigged, and consequently compara tively slow as steam-boats, yet nearly the whole ship is surifieed to the engine and coal, very little cargo space is left, and the number of passengers and the accom modation is limited. Great delays result from the taking in of coals at the various stations ; and the coal, thus sent at great expense, and stored at the different ports, costs, with all contingencies, when on board the steamboat, some • what above 40s. a ton: 4,000 or 6,000 tons are consumed in a voyage out to Calcutta and home ; and each a vessel will scarcely make more than two voyages in the year. If the Name amount of capital embarked in several such small ships be applied to the construction of one of much larger dimensions, the following very striking results -an ob tained. Bach a ship will be able to carry a much larger power of engines proportioned to her resistance, and yet will have ample capacity to carry the whole fuel to supply her engines for the voyage out and home, the fuel seating only 12a. on board instead of 40s. The total quantity of fuel consumed by the large ship on the voyage, at a high rate of speed, is proved by all past experience to be much less than the ag gregate consumption of the smaller ship' during their len gth ened voyages, and the pries per ton being reduced by two.t 'Ms, the largest single item in the whole expense of working the smaller boats is reduced by 76 to SO per ant., while the charges of ship's company and ether work ing expenses not being increased in nearly the same ratio as the size, the total cost per annum becomes materially re duced in proportion to the capacity of the ship for freight, while the capacity over and above that occupied by the fuel rapidly increases with the increased size of the dip. In addition to this the same ships can easily make three voyages out and house in the year, instead of two, with much longer intervals for rest, thus further increasing the amount of return, in proportion to the capital embarked, by 50 per cent. uch a ship running direct from England to Calcutta at the rate only which our past experience proves steam-vessels capable of, will perform the voyage easily in 32 days. She will afford such extended accommo &Boa in the state rosins, with single berths, airy and roomy saismee, and pprriivate cabins, ample supplies of water, and mist Sea , with an almost unlimited amount of Wangs M passengers, as will effect an entire ohms, In the character of an Indian or eastern voyage. The saving of time, the saving of ex poses, the ahem, of all the usual fatigues, Moon 'embank sad annoyances, nownsulting from want (depute in keg ma voyeges—must lead immediately to a great in grown of the number of travellers, as it has, in all other 011810, etletpreved facilities of communication. AU them amemmaktions an be afforded in the proposed ships to ems setable of passenger which at present an be expected on a MN to Calcutta, and to a greater number then is at all • ■= i to ensure very large profits; while upon a voyage whim larger numbers may be expected,l,6oo or WiesTsiegers mead be accommodated with an amount of roam end eemeset not now afforded in the best and the leeekesewdeil steam pockets. Moreover, such ships will be abet to take. over and above the fuel for the voyage, 4,000 er 6,000 tars measurement of cargo ; and it is a striking feature at this plan, that to attain these important results ft is act aecusary to apply a single novelty, or to depend apes a single uncertain or speculative expedient, but merely to carry out fully and completely the result of the pail kw years' experience. • • It will bee question . ly whether the great trunk line of the eompany :e ld =a or Australia, or both alternately, according to the Most favourable seasons in each ease, in what mode the ialonaediateeemmunication should be dealt with; bat, at the t mement, no necessity exists for an immediate deoiiw mast point. It will be in the recollection of the shereboldees, that at the general meeting , held in July lest, whets the present plan was first proposed, an option wee twr to a anyp l r r ri r e titi rs o w nrly o g th v ea ntire, hoes trot a s d o Mn P ti . :r wns of this offer, and re ceived P back a return of their deposit from the parties who agreed to take their shares. soar directors will only add, that on the 11th of August they made a call of 18e. per share, which was responded to as well as the then state of the company's arrangements made it reason. able to expect, and that they have every confidante that when their plans are fully known, there will be ao diffi culty in obtaining the requisite amount of 'spite] to carry the objects of the mummy into the fullest effect. In the meantime, your directors have thought it right to muse all the shares upon which the call remained unpaid on the 27th day of October last to be forfeited ; and they propose to minus those 'hares in the manner most conducive to the permanentinteretts of the company, allowing interest on the calls at the rata of four per cent. until the teasels com mence running." Mr. 1:101/1.ADAILI1110Ted the adoption of the report. The motion was agreed to. The following members were added to the Board of Directors :—Mr. T. Bagley, Mt. B. L. Betts, Mr. R. M'Cal mom, Mr. H. Davidson, Mr. A. Robinson. Sir C. Fox moved the following resolution :—" That it appears to this meeting that the plan proposed of building large steam-vessels capable of carrying their own mak on a voyage to Calcutta, and, if deemed eventually expedient, to Australia, holds forth prospects of great advantage to the public and large returns to the proprietors." He had long taken • interest in steam communication, and had expo to Mr. Brunel the opinion that steam-vessels generally ought to be of greeter length. In the reduction of the aisle of the midship section, es compared with the other parts of the ship, lay, he believed. the great secret of increased speed ; and he was confident that vessels of greeter length would not only be as safe as but safer than those now in use. Mr. Buses, in seconding the resolution, said he was quits willing to leave the engineering question in the hands of Mr. Brunel, and as regarded the commercial part of the question he felt confident of success. The dead weight would, under the proposed system, be greatly reduced, and all that was necessary betides was to secure public appreci ation. The motion was then agreed to. Some further diecus.ion ensued with regard to the dis ponil of the shares not taken up, and ultimately the follow ing resolution, mitred by Mr. Field and seconded by Mr. Harvey, was unanimously agreed to:—" That the board of directors be, and are hereby requested, to issue the forfeited shares to the public, to the extent in the whole, w ith th e shares already held, of a capital of 1,000,000/, sterling, in such manner and on such terms slithey may deem ad viuble ' • and as soon as 40,000 shares be t a k en up, t h ey do proceed with such other measures for carrying into effect the mentions of the company as may seem to them most conducive to its interests ; but that no further issue of shares, beyond 1 ' 1300,0001. s t er li ng, b e made without giving a preference to existing s h ar eholders." VOW of thanks were thee passed to tho chairman and la board, and the proceedings terminated. 1 NORTH STAFFORDSHIRE RAILWAY.—Trafild A lum for railway and *anal, for tie week ending Nov. 2 1 / 2 . 1852, 6,1984. (1214 miles open.) Coneopowling week, 1861, 4,6141. (112 lona open.)