The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-07 00:00:00

I: OF COMMONS.—MoNDAT, Mc. 6. v.asa took the chair at • qtfl.ftvf 1.• 4 o'clock. TIIh NEW MEMBERS. J Fos took the oaths AO.l his seat on his else. .r..ugh of Oldham. Viscount Norse). carat • nto eeiemony aa vember G,r the borough of load %me, u WRIT. member fur Burbank. NEW of Mr. livirroi, s stew writ was ordered of • meinhor to serve in parliament for the U. thyr Tidvil, in the room of Sir John Ouest, l'U ELIC BUSINESS. l'E 'IONS NILSEN TED. ,pen S r AND AtivEnTiszMENT DCTT.—By 110 gI'SON, from • place in Scotland ; Mr. . :ie n the proprietors and others connected with s:amisni ; Sir J. SHELLEY, from a meet „ Euler ItoH; Mr. T. BUNCOMBE, from vt WARNER, from printers and others in the Jerold, Ips etch, for repeal of; Mr. : t ,or Mr. James Oreig, publisher of the • i.r..ying fur the repeal of the heavy and tine atv. riscritents, and that he nivy be allowed potion ot lit impression for local circulation wed esper . a privilege enjoyed by the Atltene 1.1 many ethcr ti, riedicals. Tne CORN EV IL. treat Mr. hatter, the proprietor of a it we ; in favour of the newspaper stamp dory. a:.% r shyNiece.—By Mr. F. MACK ENZIE, r's ,era': Institute ot Wooliston ; Mi. BLAI E IT, ••••• peke E gine Work.' Medi:inns' Itivtitute ; %\O, from Cie Invtitwe of Wolin.. • Mr 0. ILIC.kI:DO, teem the Worm ers' history Socie:y ; praying for the free dcli rh carol try pap, re to mechanics' institutes. HI. '.--BT Mr. Serjt. SHER, from Kil t, l'. 1,10 ,1, from plies iu King's County, et Mr. ter; Shoe's measure, and against the at WI TAI --Py Mr 7 ' , V ALT, from Mr. Thomas .•t Yu. 14, F . J..d.stre.l.buddings, praying that vs, be pubrst3l by authority :of the house, sums and resolcuces of persons paying 41.6. a ESTM:NSTEIt BRIDGE. to a Isesbos from Sir K. INOLI4, MANNERS stated that a reiewt recently m u :..r. Walker. the engineer. described the piles de to have received some injury from the 'remit oh had, to some extent, impeded the narig %Gun; • bring remedied, the piers remsiued un tol there was nor sum ter alarm as to the present .1 the bridge. .. was the intentim of govern ormlisre a measure to authorise the coastructios rel,Je on the sit , of the preesia one ; but ho was to my at pit's. at that the design would be ioe imapelition. wholly ur peradly. to Mr. V. SMITS, the noble lord added—that it d to enlarge the space of the roadway of tie no sot of Literal additions to the preset,' Midge, ski he open to the public while the rest of the was brie{ cue struet,,l, GRAND JURIES. PUNCOIIRE wished to know whether It was o the pristat ft...Li to bring in a measure to t jury system Islam the metropolitan ilis. 10ENEV-GENEUAL—It is my intention after to mindere su:'.l a ball, which 1 hope may be los law during the prewnt TOOK LAW., ILLOI'OIIBY a.k,d, pursuant to nntice, the ininsinanr of ,he Poor-law Board whether any .. letter or .fiber document lISCOM pll the rtir of the :nth day of Alarm, Ib.L , on out eaach ca. addressed to 110 anima ; and, if any uf 41111C411K11 . . whether he would place a copy of el the table of the hone? Whether there was sewn in the Poor•law olliee as to payments to out of work, - ..r in aid of w Age.," out of the in any swim. an England and Wales; and, if b. r h. wou:rl place a copy of such information oa Ow bow. that an inttmetional leter ortil to refelothe to the ~rd ra or the 2,it I, of nmc gay fat! ief.rtuation on the subject of those • sa-nreetional ',tut would he laid on the r tams for which the hon. bar.met the member n (Sall Pec.eil) bad moved. The board had maims S. to the payment of person• out of work ▪ is certain tn•taaeea, with b would be pro t. tem. streala r wool I move for it. clie.r.) et: i I ELL:2I.ION. 15:1, •• rhairmaa of We eom mn teeCWl • it..., drew attention to a petition presented on fart by th- L, a. member tor Montrose (Mr. mu Mr. Unstitley Lterkeley, the unsuccessful eon he late West tit sterAire el, etion, complain :m.l4ton shit .:her eurrui.t practices at that elec. praying the house to institute inquiry. It ap the commi•be that that petition no, as election end, nut having been presented within the period ny the act, it ouleat nut to have been riceicd. -I. fore to motet:in' the order that the petition do talOe be discharged. ~ . t ..a was *Street' to, and the order for re petition ilinharced. PULLIC SCHOOLS. FART inquire.l of the Secretary of State for the Natatent whether it wee the intention of her Ml smiassat to propose the appointment tit a coon icemen into t.e state of our public schools, with emending and otherwise improving the systems .:ion is the sltar _ _ . ret..reIVALFJILE—It is Lot the intention to 1 7 .oseh MCWIlre. o Alit' then would take an early opportunity of otron to the subject. INCI:SIBEI ED ESTATES COURT. INSELL ioked the Secretary of State for the Namara!, w►tther it WAS the iisteution of the go to intrAuc.• arm measure alurlnit the on rent eca c mtiriusocc of tee Inctuutiered Sauter Court ...tare WALPOLE—The subject was ander the pm of the c.v.rnmcat and the Lord Chse.cellor Ile b. Reed, however, to iotim...e, that what er.• might he introduevd to I Ac 4. a tate the trauster ..e weaLd b: no iutertereuce with the proceed , coomiebi..n. 6i AN RAILWAYS. dADDOt l put a question to the President of the :oittrol, whether it was intended to encourage, by t such as had bees afforded to other railway on , is India, or by any other means, the early com a of a LllO ut railroad between Allababad and ILRIEFI assured the hon. gentleman that the go nad the Court of Directors were most desirous as far as was in their power, the application way system to India. In the experimental rail. eh had been guaranteed at a period when capital abundaat as at present, they hal been Induced ito terms which present circumstances might not reference to the whole system a( railway corm •in India. [This's what we guru to have been lion. gentlemen's answer, foe although he 'peke minutes not a word beyond the first 'entente he gallery.] CLEOPATRA'S NEEDLE. ME asked whether any, and what, measures had tel to bring from Egypt the obelisk,known by the opatra's Needle, which was presented by the nied Ali to, and accepted by, George IV., for the we ? i(•EI,I,OR of the EXCHEQUER replied rudition under which the obeloik had bees pre the Crystal Palace Company was this—that the , ald to' transported to England at their expense, (:ryita; Plaice ‘hould not sueceed, that we., If it t Meo, a p rmanent at•blishment, the govern have the right to claim back t►e obelisk on he country. There would be no objection tO lay P.ltihom a the outiject before the hens,. MINISTRRS' MONEY. (;AN gave notice that on an early day after he would move a series of resolutions oa this ‘ . I . :4IIERED ESTATES, IRELAND. UIItHEk I neked the Attorney-Ueneral for In ner government intended to Introduce any mee eilitetiag the ul. of in Ireland which Withia the Jrrisbedu. of the Ineumberett rut; sod whether any mesas would be given to of oalsossabend Maim to procure !I their properties similar to 'those pow graated .rt 11'1 E R g►ee an answer, all that was beard of . that the .object was one involr nct to some ea ,P.t. of property, acd he was uudentood to add tt would be coniidered. MIItICULICHAL STATIS M a. N DANA aaked the President of the Board of were the intention of her Majesty'. gorcr►ment rny merman this sermon for the collection of • .t.itiotie.? observed that the greet difficulty in this I' :pew. The Board of Trade had been in ,bon with the• Itoyel Agricultural Society of , n the subject, and he had ho;.ed befu'o this to sod emu : sernut•t of the probable expense of oh s isturinstion r. paired, and until that was oh. was not in a e.ndtt•on to stab whether it would ly of government to introduce any measure as lA* not. !F. IirDOET.—CLERICAL INCOMEg. 11 wished to put a question with reference te , which the Chine nor of the lizehequer stated lost to the revenue under the income tat hy the omission of • portion of the quota paid hy the rite proposal of the Chancellor of the schequer, , rstood him aright, was to reduce the charge rtaia clerical incomes from sevcupenee to in the pound, and, accordin4 to the rieh * gentleman's statement, that it would Pee of dO,OOOl. a year, it followed that the 4 which this redacting would apply wee about (Rear. hear.) According to these figures, he (Mr. Rich) was led to believe that the right iomen intended to iochule is his remission the M ut the poorer cleryry ealy bat those of the ma i:hop., deans, prebend% sad pluralist generally. W m he right in this view? lAN( ELLOIt of the EXCIIR4I . ER was willing the mieunderstiinding Into which the h..n. gee d fallen had arism hem his (the Climicellor of the 1 . .) imperfect explaoatiou,. W t lie holt wished ad whet be thought he tied said, was, that the set necessarily cmtinue to he 5..44.1.44.(1 under Aat 7d. There we. so intention, aril if there there was no possibility, of Weaving them ander than that which included the description of pro- THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 7, 1852. I perty from which they drew their income*. But, what he stated tumor WAI that he thought *h., e se of cl-rgynteu whose incomes acre not more than 1001. a year was a hard one, and that while dissenting clergymen, having 1001. • year, were assessed at three•intirths uf their incomes under the mitigating provisions of Schedule A, clergymeu of the established church with the same ieeenn , should receive • similar advantage, and that accordingly • specific clause would be introduc ed into the act for that purpose. (Cheers.) CONSOLIDATED ANN urrnis At! f (IRY.LAND). The CHANCELLOsi of the EXCIIEQUEIt, in reply to Mr. Movsnii, in reference to the second instalment of advances now due under that act, stated that lie wished the law to take its course, but promised to take another oppor. minty of submitting propositions on the subject, which, ha added, would be conceived in a spirit et equity and justice, and, if finally accepted, would afford relief from any ugjait, unfair, or unequal incidents IiEIIILEItEM IIOSPITAL. Is sower to Colpt4lo FITLROT, Mr. Secretary WALPOLE intimated that the report of the goveraors of thus hospital woatd be laid on t►e table ira a few days. THE FRENCH EMPIRE. The CHANtI-11.LZIR " i7111;EXRI''''''" Mr. Spanker, I think it is tine sad respectful to Mks house that I iliould state to the Imam that her Majesty a gosernment has received a notitl %demi that there has been a change in tile form of government of France—that dm empire has been re•establisheil, and that the "moirror has been pro claimed imider the title of Napoleon 111. (Hear, bear) lloventment, acting on the policy which has ha. n no long pursued by this countrt —that of recognising every de ifo ui goveraent—lies at& s ;sea her Majesty promptly and cheer fully to re,mgiiise th^ new form it g errrement in France. (hear.) At the same time, it his been—tint, in a friendly and unofficial manner, but subsequently in a formal and offi cial mann. r —at.nounced to her M ejesty's government that in accepting the title of 111., the Empererut Frsoce does not in any way assert his hen direr,. claim to the em pire ; that, on the contrary, he considers his only claim to be considered emperor is, that he has been elected by the people of France. And he has declared, in a manner volun tary on his own part, that he entirely accepts all the govern ments, and all the acts of all the governments. that have occurred anal taken place since the seer Init. (Hear, hear ) Lord J. ItUssELL-11 I understand Tightly, the right hon. smith-man says that *ilespeteh from France has been received. If so, and that document or despatch is in the seas* which he has mentioned, will he have any objection to lay it on the table of the Imam ? The UIIANCELIAMt of the FACCIIIIQUER-1 should think there would be no obj .etiun to I iy on the table a des patch of that kind; but I hope the noble lord will not press me more closely on the subject at the present time. )hear, hear.) 1 will merely add that I have lust no tinge an Communicating with the house, for I did not wish the House of Cumulous to hear it from may other quarter. . - SUPPLY.—THE BUDGET. Mr. GLADSTONE w.lll &stems of Lakin.; the present opportunity of ealliug attention to • matter of peat impor tance, as to the order, the regularity, and the form of their' proceeding in argent to the tin allele' proposals of her Ma usty's government. lie understood the Chancellor of the. Exchequer to say on Friday night last that tisi would on Friday next preemie to the house an augmentation of the house tax ; and ire inferred, thoun'i ho was not aware that it had been @evenly mated, that each augmentation was to take .ffect from the sth of April nest, but b :Mg the CUM niencame nt of the financial scar. The right hon. gentle min oho stated that the subj, rt of the lucent, tax might, as it appeared to him, properly stand over until after the retees. lie (Mr. Gledstone) also thought the rieht hon. ecaitletnan sou understood to say thou the question of the tea duties was to It: cuttsiderfd un Friday, at the name time with the house tan. But, whether he wee right in this understanding or not, he he reeved he was cotrec in stating that iu reference to any reduction, whether in tea duties or any other matter, the right hon. gentlemen bold that no' preliminary committee wee seminary, but that it was open to !Um to introduce a hill on the subject without any preli• :ninety proceeding. lie presumed, therefore, that there would be no prelimine-y proceedings on Friday on the tea duties, but that the bueinese of the house would be Can tine.' to the proposal for increasing the house duty. (Hear, hear.) Cp. 11 this point he w is desirous of stating his opinion that this was nut the regal ,e, the advantageous, or, he as could venture to add, the constitutional geode of proceed (Cneere.) But in the present instance he must remind the house, that apart from these general reasons, there were also official considerations, that gave • tenfold force to the principle which he was euuncietiiig. They were now ir.- -sited to consider the question of the renewal of the income tux; hut it was no orige r a were continuation as it was iu the yeers le4i, in Dile. is Dail, and egein in 18:4: it was • reconstruction of Ilia income tax twill which they were to be called to deci e. (Cheers.) And was the re emu:ruction of the income tux • mere matter of financial arrangement and detail t (II or, hear.) And it was the duty of those who felt us hr diet on this questio• of the reconstruction of the income tag, at the earlieet moment to intimate to the right hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer that they entertained objections to that reconstruction (as uJW proposed) of • chit outer wholly Mesperable. (Hear.) And that if the emotion was to he opened at all, it was one that must be discussed, and the judgment of the Louse taken upon it, in the must effectual and solccon manner. (Cheers.) Now, if there were those in the house who differed fundamentally with each other as to the principle on which the tax was to be contieued—one party holding one opinion, and the other the very opposite—it wan obvious that it would he absurd to argue tbat the coutinuanee of the income tax, in any form, was placed beyond the possibility of a doubt. (Hear, hear.) The right boa. gentlemen, by his scheme, proposed to effect three great changes in the tax—first, that it should include Ireland. (blear, hear.) Tint change he would not now debate, for he took it for granted that the proposition could not stand as it now did, even if it were adopted. The second proposed change was the removal of the exemption, down to 601., on incomes derived from realised property, and to 1004. on profeseionalondoteer incomes of • temporary nature. That was • questi m of great importance and delicacy ; at the same tinte the right hon. gentleman had • precedent in a former income tax in that course of proceeding, and it was not on account of that proceeding that he (Mr. Glad stone) had received the atr.ng impression which he enter. tained with regard to the proposals of the right hon. gen tleman, as a whole it was with reference to • proposition which might be popular both in and out of the house. With regard to the levying of the income tax, and by which a per center) of 7d. in the pound was levied on In comes under Schedule A, while there was a reduction of three-fourths in the amount levied under Schedules B, C, and D, he was bound to tell the right hon. gentleman that there were fundamental and radial differences of opinion of so formidable • nature as probably to cause • strenuous opposition to be offered to it from first to last. He wished to intimate this objection, not so': mush to any detail as to show to the hones the dangerous position in which they would be placed with regard to the position of the whole income-tax, pending the questions with which they were to deal on Friday. 'l he proposal to extend that tax to funded property in Ireland, as had been said by his right hoe. friend the member for the University of Cambridge, involved a breach of national faith. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that the right honourable gentle man would consider these points between this and Fri. day nest. Ile (Mr. Gladstone) did not intend to in terfere with the proposal of the government, as they enter tained different views en the subject; but feeling strongly as he did the difficulties which the discussion of the ques tion of the income-tax would assume day by day, and that in the most alarming form, he mould not refrain from the statement be had made, and from suggestin to the right hon. gentleman that which he thought would - be the wise and 4: nate utional course for him to take in submitting his financial measures to the house. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HL - ME begged to ask the right hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether in the order of proceedings with regard to our future Hamner, it would not he better first to determine whether the incomes tax was to be recta or temporary. The CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER said that his had collected from the right bun. gentleman the member for the University of Oxford that there were two objections to the course which the government proposed to pur sue—one was, • technical objection to the mode of bringing the measures of the government before the consideration of the house, and the second was an objection to the principle of the policy of those measures. With re gard to the lust objection, all lie could say was, that he in tended to go into committee and to propose certain resole teem, and with all deference to the opinions of the denim piiished men who had been referred to by the right hon. • genstlentaa, he was still of opinion that the course he had reoimmended was the correct one. If it was otherwise, he • should be corrected by the authority to which they all must how; but as regarded the tea duties and the house tax it was neceesery to go into committee, and as at present advised, he did not think he was wrong in the course he proposed to take. With regard to the second objection, rind which related to the extension of the income tax to pervious who were fundholders in Ireland, if he did nut mis take it was at prevent so eatended, and that if it did mot ex tend many funded property it wee by special exemption. As far a. regarded schedule A, Ireland was eximpted from the tax, hut as regarded schedule B, the operation being universe), it must extend to Ireland. That wsa, therefore, a Callsc,otti t objeeti , n, which he should be prepaid to meet on the peeper occasion. A third point which hail beta I tee. a w.a. with reiterd to the course of the government in recommending • reemostructien of the property rind income tax to the house. lie could only nay that the government bed well weighed the topics alluded to by the right hon. gt mimeo, and they lotievett that the course they tad taken involved ne breath of equity, a n d th a t th e prineinles on which they had attempted the reconstruction of the different scheduh•ii oere those of justice, and that no income tax should tsi brought for ward without below founded on those principle,. The resolution be would bring forward would be inthe hands of members on Wednesday, perhaps to-morrow, and ho should take their opinion on the financial policy of the go. verement in that form. Ile did not suppose that at this time of the year the house coul4 come to say decision on all the revolution', but as far as the government was con erected, the measures brought forward were to be consi dared as a whole, and as • whole they would stand or fall. lie had collected from "'het had been said by the noble I Inert, the member foe 'edam, that he wished that there ' should be • distinct lime presented to the house on Friday, and he h ad placed such an issue in • definite form, he would not say the most unfavoureble to the government, but such an nee es would at least be agreeable to gentlemen Apposite. (" end • laugh.) Ile hail no objsct but to obtain a 'mint an the whole financial scheme of the govt cement, and in asking that vt edict on the tea duties and the house tax he thought he had taken candid course, and ono which would he agreeable to the house, and he did not at present see any objection to it or an y reason to change that course. (Hear, hear ) iseed J. RUSSELL said that he did not suggest any cum* to the right hon. gentleman—(hear, hear)—but ho j only asked him to IllWaellS to the house the course he wished to be taken. Mau): in the propusitions of the right boa. gentleman were nem to hint, unit he eked him what course lb@ wish...l the house to take, au Ihe (Lent J. Rosa:11) understood him to say that he. wished the tea duty and house tax to coin. on on Fridsy, and he (Lord 1. Blamed') replied that he lied uo objection to it. lie thought, however, that, notwithstanding the force of what had been said by the right hen gentleman the mem ber for the Universite of 0 arra, in that fovea it WAS not of so mach moment as what bad been will with regard to taking both the hoe.* I ix and in...mai:tea into ronsideretien before ally ovi.o.tieu of the reduction of taxation. There might be difference of opinion, and the resolution of the right hen. gen lemon putting the income tax in a new form might give rise to widens by independent members i which might go to alteratioue in the form and principle of the income tax. He would not now enter into the question of the breach of faith involved in the proposed alteration of Schedule B, but he did think there could be on II question, and he was ready to take part fa any dismess.on of that question with a due Mom of the danger of altering a peinsiple of teastion established by successive paniausents, ant if you once ad mitted the principle of distribution of amounts in the . income tax, other eircumsteuces might be made out quite as ( strong as those new brought forward by the uovernineut to I induce the house to adopt other distinetiosio There was another thing quite as important as the new form of the iocome tax, and whisk was contrary to the principle laid down ny the right hon. gentleman in his budget of last year, aad again on Friday night, namely, that it you lease direct taxation it ought nut to he grounded on exemptieus. (Ileac, hear.) It SCSI evident that the right icon. gentle- Mlll had founded aut one but several exemptions. It wag a general and broad exemption that persons nut possessed lof an nicenie of Woe a year were not liable, and that all 1 persons deriving incomes Irma reulised property under 50/. 1 a year should he exempt, tend that persons in trade possessing leas than thud, a year should be also exempt, and that one class, that of the tenant farmers, should have the advantage of exemption when their in comes were 1501. lie keew that the right bun. gentlemen had avoided the difficulty in his last statement by saying that the estimate on the present rental of the proprietors was not just, and that instead of half their incomes a third should be taken as the estimate. It was clear that while clerks with 1101. a year and 120/. • year, who had hitherto been exempt, were brought under charge no Carmen would 1.0 brought under charge whose incomes were less than ital. That might be a just exemption, but the right hon. gentleman bad given n.l reason fur the change he bail made. It ',mato to him (lord J. Russell) that (Imam tax instead of eying free from exemptions was full of them. (Hear, hear.) What he now wished to say was, that with out enteraig on the question as to whether the right hoe. giot lemen slieuld choose to bring the house tax or the income tux first before the house, he feared, from what he heard on Friday night, that our linen c;al system was iii great peril. (Hear.) As the income tax expired in April, and the house tax as it now Mood could not supply any deficiency a. ising fr o m the mouton of that tax, he thougat that both those subjects should be cmisi dered by a committee of the whole house before any pros po.ition Was made to reduce either. (lie ir ) MS. USW LISUItS 111.11164lifleil, with :dr. (SLAIISTONII, elr.l the proprotot inedineatioes of the incesi.e tax would be a violation of the contract with the public cr. ditor. The Jiecussion sots continued for some time, chiefly with reference to the coarse of proceeding. In allusion to some observations which fell from Mr. HUMP, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQU! . .II said that be did intend to bring forward a motion fur administrative refine', hut could not do so until the estimates were passed. The inoti in fur going into committee of supply wu agreed to, and the house went lute committee accordiugly. Mr. STAFFORD said he trusted the hon. member for Montrose would consider that what he said with regard to administrative reform had been answered by his right hen friend the Chanes hoe of the Exchequer, an l that he would out expect bins to encounter that question. In asking the committee to grant a sum of money, lie ought to state that in bringing forward this supplementary estimate it was by nn means with a wish to pass any imputation on the 8011111 of Admiralty or the ridit hunoursble gentlemen who had pr. ceded then[ in office. The vote included a sum for steam machinery for the ensuing year. Witco they considered the enormous sums that had been expended on steamers, it was impossible not to ted great regret that science had not enabled them to el trails., more economy. Fast of all they hail Lath a paddle wheel fl., t, aril then it was toed necessary to change it for a screw-flout ; and in IS/ 41 ...4 a great amount of ina• ehinery had been sacrificed. 1 his, however, was precisely what had happened in the eraat es. ablishinents iu which the commerce illllirine WM constructed; and the ex 'meth ane, vast as it ores, had been unevuelable. °emus it was only by each eirelly experiments that the superiority of the screw had been established. It was absolutely necessary to adopt the screw, unlearn they were prepared to see our navy, tit- British navy, far behind that of other countries. lie would now bey tole, before the house the contents of a curious paper which had been drawn up in the official department, showing the comparative cost of steam and the sail. The original cost of a 93. gun sailing ship was 101,300/. ; while that of a screw ship of the seine ar mament and fitted with engines of sth-horse power was 161,s iOOl. The annual expense of the sailing vessel was 41,3,01. ; bat that of the screw ship (allowing the coal at 1,6001., which, however, he thought would be found below the average) wee 51,6081. Thus it would lac teen that the first cost of a screw ship was forty per cent., and the annual expenditure twenty per cent. over that o a sailing vessel of tho sates magnitude. He now came to the question of the number of men. They proposed to tyke a vote for 6,000 additional seamen and 1,500 additional marines for four calendar menthe: hut, in order to diminish expense as much as possible, 2,000 would only be taken for the first two months. There was this distinction between a supplemen tary estimate and those annually soled. In the latter case the number remained generally about the same bit it would be idle to expect at once to raise the whole traditional tomes. Thu rumours which were abroad as to tee difficulty of enlisting seamen were, he was hoop, to say, very greatly exaggerated; but they could not disguise from themselves thu fact, that at the present moment the Bri t sb sailor was the mist precious article in the market. Nut only had the Admiralty had competitors in the large mercantile marine end the present stimulus nu the Uold Coast, hut there was not a single nation that did not gladly accept on board her ships the British sailor. (Hear, hear.) It wan, therefore, the more important that they should do everything to conduce to his comfort and to render the ser vice a temptation to him. (Cheers.) His right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer had remarked on Friday night upon the present system of discharging our sailors at the time they had reached their greatest efficiency, and he had alluded also to a committee of eminent oaken who had had under consideration reforms of the greatest favor- tancs ; but it was important to stets that these 6,300 men now proposed to be raised would be placed under no re strictions whatever beyond those at present in force. There was nothing more distasteful to a sailor than to be removed from the ship in which he enlisted to soother; but this new force would be allowed to select their own ships sod would enjoy all the liberties allowed to the rest of the Der vice, while they would have all the benefits that might re cult from the committee. To work out any reruns on board ship it was necessary to consult the traditional feelings and even prejudices of the sai lor, for if it should be reported at Portsmouth that there was to be the slightest change, be (Mr. Stafford) did not think that they would be able to induce a hundred men to join the service. (Hear, hear.) He now turnrd to the question which would naturally be asked, namely, where it was pvipoeed to station the ships ioteuiled fur the defence of our shores ?Answering this, as far as he could do so without harm to the public service, be might state that, 'adapting an occasional cruise, and beside, the reserve, they prepesed to station at the Non three (notate, and five aftesases ; at Plymouth, four sail of the line and five kW atanitentej and at Porstmmith five sail of the line, two Nal ale large steamers; for they mutt neither lame espesed nature of the coast, nor Osborne, and th=as and devoted loyalty of the nation that so often film. (Cheers) We must thus have 10,000 al mw, besides marines, f ir our home defences, and it that rea the present time the number voted had = by seven men. (Hear, hear.) In cos skein las b wily to reiterate that the must prayerful and maaill bops of the government of the country was Oar pease. (Hear, hear.)_ Our conduct sine' the last shot was tired at Waterloo was • sufficient guarantee that these were no idle words. We desired no sere of additiooal territory and to interfere with the policy o no foreign courts; but it was our desire that the poorest 'abject of the realm should feel that the Sag of England was an seaurance of safety. (Hear, hear.) Although it had been stated that our ships of war on foreign stations wen derided, the Admiralty was besieged with applications that one of her Majesty's vessels should be despatched to the different ports for the purpose of insuring respect and civility to the commerce of this country. (Hear, hear.) He trusted tlait the Hones of Commons would not treat this as a question of party politics, but simply as a vote of coo& dance in the esecative which must siece , sarily be iu posse*. sion of information of the desirability of communicating which to the house they alone (mild be able to judge. (Hear, bear.) Ito bilge tto move that 6,500 men, includ ing MOO bo granted to her Al ijesty till the 31st of March, 1833. Mr. 'HUME had always objected to tho practice of hav ing so many watts in the course of eoirdrutt;en, an I be considered that the lin eeh of the bun. gentleman justified his view. la 1833 the dockyard establishment had been fired on a certain bane ; hut since then it had been doubled, and they bad been bonding enormous ships which they did not want, and doing that which was not us e ful. Their dead weight was now actually as large as the entire coat of the navy before the French war ; and yet at the death of an admiral, although they hurl 140, they went on keeping up that number. Lord .1. ILUSSRLL believed that the question now be• fore the house was a vote of 5,000 additional seamen, and 1,500 additional marines; and that it did not refer to oar ousel expenditure, or to the age end number of oar ad. rairals, all of which were subjects that might fsirly be con sidered when they had the general e.timatee before them. The proposition which wu sow before them was one to increase the number of our seamen, mid he most say that that proposal had his warmest asseut—(cheers)—for he b, leered it wac right and incemiry to provide sulllciently for the &fence of this i.lanil, which was the citadel of this vast empire. (Hear, hear) Ile wee glad that her Ma jesty's governroeut lia.l undertaken the duty, and hail no: shrunk front a course which was ar► nceeasary. (Cheers.) Ile ladieo't that they would be in no danger of ineurrini: any unp 'polarity by this vote, hut that the nation would accord them its warmest thanks for the energy which they had shown. (lieu, hear.) Ile should give hia cordial sup port to the motion. (Cheers.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS confessed that the champs which had taken plat.e in a neighbouring country were a suffi. Meat justification for the vote. ile (.11 that the Ad- I miralty was ouw administered more ably sad energetically, than had been the come fur acme years ; and ho trusted that . they would substitute courts martial Ull board ship, lor the arbitrary power of punishment now entrusted to the cap ! loin. lie hoped also that they would establish savings' banks. (Hear, hear.) Sir. G. PfiCHSLL remarked that the hon. gentlemen had not shown that the 30,0001. extra granted last year was not sufficient far the neeresery iucrease of oar f fees. With re•peet to the difficulty of enlistment, ho thought that whatever temperance cud peace society men might say, the' alterations in their provisions and grog had more to do with it almost thao anything. Tlw man likewise objected greatly to being removed from one ship to another. He thought, too, that the petty officers ought to be lusured pensions. H e h ope d t h e hon. gene *lemon would bear in =hid what he bad said shout :11.01611401111. This was a peculiar time, and the seamen should be made t, understand that their condition would be improved, and not made worse. (liter, hear.) lie had always been op posed to the infliction of corporal puuishment, and hoped that every precaution would be taken to prevent anything of a tyrannical i haracter on board ship. Mr. STAFFORD said that the vote of last session fir the reserve, to which the hon. and gallant gentleman alluded, had not been touched. It last nut been used at all, sud it was nut the intention of the board to avail themselves ot it. It had been suggests,' that these additionol men might be tempt"' into the service by the promise of pensions to those who became potty officers ; but the committee mull ititicintser that they could not snake a distinction between these men and others in the service; their claims must all . stand et fall by the same rule. Precisely the same system as had hitherto exi-ted would be in full operation with regard to these 6,000 men As to Corp mat punish• meat tbu non. sail gallant gentleman hid not in the slisthteet degree exaggerated the feeling of the beard; they considered teat officer best entitled to promotion, and to deserve bust of his country, who contrived to keep up eIfI cleat discipline with the least corporal punishment. (Beer, bear.) As tar as he knew the navy, if the question were put to the men themselves, they would say that corporal punishment could not ho abolished. lu answer toe question *rem Sir O. nffittat.ti, Mr. 8 rAwFutio said, the additional meal would be per f.ctly free in their choice of • ship, and when they had c.losen they would nut be removed. Captain SCOBELL congratulste,l the house that they wcre at last taking the proper means of defence. Mr. MUNTZ did nut rise to object to the vote, believing it to be necemary ; but he objected to the lattices of the ordnance. The CHAIRMAN—That is the neat vote. Mr. CORBY thanked the government for having pro posed this smirk mental vole. Looking tat the vastly superior military forge of France, he thought this step absolutely necessary. Ile hoped this force, which was to be raised for the defence of the cueet,would be kept in the Channel. Mr. HUME complained of the large number of vesse:s on foreign stations. W had 157 men of woe. Could we not, out of that nuallicr, contrive to keep more than 13 in the Channel ? Sir F'. T . UAIiINU sail it was for the government to state, on their responsibility, we it force they considered necessary for the Sett ace et the country; and when they did that he would never raise a word of uppmition. It was astonishin.- ti hear the num:ier of inaccurate charges made against foraier boards of admiralty; but he would not now detain the house by answering them. Mr. HUME dented that them was anhing like respon sibility in tile government, when one o meer could stand forward and say that he alone caused the Affghan war. (Hear, Hear.) They had now 39,000 seamen; let a good account be given ut them before other 6.600 wore voted. In Mr. l'itt's time he managed the defence of the country with 16,000 Icemen. (Hear, hear.) We had gone on from one Oct of extravagance to another ; and where was the responsibility of the government ? All he wanted to know was, where were the :59.000 seamen and marines that had heal already voted ? lie deprecated the system of government refusing to answer any questions, and sheltering themselves behind the allegatioa that this was done on their respon sibility. Sir 41 PECIIELI. said he thought Sir F. Baring was one of the iw)at heti": Lords of the Admiralty they hail over After o few words from Captain Bcobru., the vote wu agreed to fleas. roa. Toe nest vote was 100,000:. for steam machinery for naval purposes. Sir O. I'LCIIEI L. said there was a prevailing opinion that the sum already voted under this head wes amply sat. lic:ent if the Adurriilty only knew their own mind. Thu money laid out on Cie St. Vincent, which was due ked at l'ortsmouth last year, and afterwerds dismantled, had been completely thrown away. Now they were asked for another round sum, and where was it to come from 1 From an in creased house tax. He cheerfully contented to the vote fur additional men, but he thought come excilanation was due before this was agreed to. The Royal Frederick was now ready for launching; he supposed there would be an order fur converting it Mtn a steam vessel ; and this would be attended with enormous expense, as was shown in the case of the Ajax, the Blenheim, and other yeast' . The house ought to know the espouse in each case, and the names of the vessels that were altered. By altering the vessel merely at the stern le put a screw in, nothing would he done fur the efficiency of the ship. The Admiralty were altogether at sea in regard to their alteration of hue of battle ships. He was enxious to support the Admiralty in doing what was necessary for the defence of the country, but he wished the work to be properly done. He objected to the neodless waste consequent on the firing salutes at Forts mouth. Mr. SPAFFORD, in:regard to the men, bad stated that the number of men it was proposed to raise in addition to the existing number would be sufficient ton na the fleet and leave a reserve at IL rwards. Mr. J. WOREGOR complained that a large ianneces sary expenditure had been annually incurred fur want of due attention and economy in the naval yards. In consenting to the vote, he reserved to himself the right to call attention to any vessel now being altered from a sailing to a steam ship, should the failures he an ticipated occur. Captain DUNCOIIBE knew of no objection to the pro. duction of ouch accounts as had been euggested. This vote was for the machinery for the ships which were finished but waiting f“r machinery. Mr. S. HERBERT spoke in support of the vote, and paid • compliment to ministers fur the measures they had taken, by the militia and otherwise, fir the defence of the country, and the decision of the country, lately takeo, was sufficient to oonvinoe every government that they wield be supported is all necessary measures of that kind. Mr. HUME believed the opinion of the country wee quite of • contrary character. The vote was then agreed to. On the next vote, 73,9711. for wages for additional mea -1 men, marines, and clothing, Mr. HUME asked whether there was any alteration in the rate of wages? Mr. STAFFORD—None. The rate of seamen's wages would remain the same, viz. 2al. 6s. 6d. a year. Mr. SCOBELL sugges te d that some Ire or six of the most eminent shipbuil re and engineers should be allowed to build angels on the largest and moat approved models. The vote was agreed to, as was one of 37,9291. for via. tusk, and another of 37,9291. for victuals for additional seamen and marines. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Col. DUNNl,T;explainingsiiiiriFyitieaiditional means of defence it was proposed to carry out in his &pant:mut, reminded the committee that of thou means, none were more important than the artillery forte. To that force it was now proposed to make bat a very modest addition. In the tint place it was intended to add 2,000 to the num ber of the men, and to make an addition of 1,000 horses— not 30,000, as bad been stated by an hon. and gallant mom ber opposite. They were all aware that a portion of the artillery force was called the Hone Artillery. At present it was usual to take the horses of the men for the purpose of drawing the guns and earriegits; and the consequence of this was, that the men had not that constant drill which was necessary to keep them in the most perfect efficiency. It was to re medy this defect that the additional 1,000 hones were re quired. The charge for this extra force would be 70,8251. for the three months to the end of the present financial year, including pay, bounties, clothing, and what was called levy money. There would be another item of 5,1331. for forage fur the borne, and another of 3,7001. for ammunition, and there was a third of 8,0004. for new iron ordnance—that was for guns et a Lager calibre than those now generally in use—about one•fourth of which would be applied to the navy. The total vote wu 92,6581. On the vote of 70,82.51. for 'tieing 2,000 non-commis sioned officers and men for the royal regiment of artillery, including pay, clothing, and levy money, and the purchase of 1,000 horses, Mr. MUNIZ remarked that it was of no nu having more antilerymea and more hones unless a better practice ground was provided for them. Mr. HUNS thought it told little for the attention paid to the artillery that they had not sufficient practice ground. Ile objected to the proposed increase, which would add about 400,0001. to the estimates on the year, airing that the vote was only for three menthe. Alter some conversation, The vote was agreed to; as were also the several !AIMS of. 6,1331. or the putchue of 1,000 horses. 2,7001. (or addi , i•inal labour in making up amroubit'on. On the vote of 14,0001. (or iron ordnance and projectile., Sir Cl. PEC HELL objected to the• tote, u there wtro already 10 many guns in store. Mr. HUME said if this vote was for new ordnance fir experiments in new guns, he would not oppose it, but be should like to know. Sir F. 8/dint said that foreign powers, especially France, had of late armed their ships with l 0 inch guns, which exploded shells containing 4 lbs. of powder, while in this country hitherto we had only used B.iuch guns, which threw shells containing only 2 lbs. of powder. Captain Chads had stated that a 10-inch gun with such shells would at once destroy a ship, while Witich guns would not. In this country we bud been introducing bB-pounders in the land service, which had a range of 3,400 yards, habit , ' of the old 32-pounders which had only a range of 2,500 yards. It was very desirable that we should have guns of the largest be-e. Mr. HUME said if the vote was intended for experiments of that kind, he net only had no objection to it, but thought it was only the duty of the Ordnance to attend to such experiments. The explanatim was quits eatillactory to him. The Tate was tin o a,;rced to• THR NATLONAL OALLERY. —INDUSTRIAL EXHIBITION. Ths CH ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, before the mat Tots was taken, he wished to take the opportunity of correcting an erroneous impression sobloh had been adopted by his hon. friend the m ember for hlontraso with regard to its object. It was a vote for mo,oacw., which, as at first blush it appeared to be applicable to the building of • national gallery, did not seem exorbitant, and he a ished to explain toe eireutustauces under which it was prom*. d. There could be nu doubt that the time had come when they must study more the industrial education of the people— (hear, hear)—and bring science and art to bear on produc• tiou in • greater degree than had hitherto prevailed. (Hear, hear.) A great revolutioa hnl taken place in the circum stances which hod given to this country her superiority in nianufactures. This country had obtained that supremacy in manufacture in consequence of her eye it command of raw material ; but that raw material bad daily become more attainable in other countries, and it was impossible touch longer to maintain our supremacy in manufactures merely by the command of raw material, mad the tune had came when the intellectual element must be imported into competition. (liner, hear.) This had been felt during the Great Exhibition of last year, and the result had been that the number of scientific men who, as jurors, had been occu pied in examining the products of other countries, as com pared with our own, had come to • conclusion which it was not aecemary ostentatiously to announce, that if the country wishea to maintain her supremacy in production, the tntellectual .lerat nt most be added to that production. It hod been found that other countries, owing to the cm- I ployment of seientific agency, were able to enter into com petition with tine country, which owed its superiority only to its commanded raw material, and that proved Vast the time had come wheu this country must make s lions to maintain its superiority. Throughout the whole of Europe this want had l,een Lit, and there *Eta not • town in which science had not bean brought to b.:ar ou production, or a capital in Europe where there was not an industrial uaiversity. (blear, hear.) There bad been no deficiency ail means to that end in this country, and it was CUTIOUi that although we bad not broag litat t and science to bear tat manufacture, still if you counted up the different institutions in the metso pelts devoted to the arta and eciencer, unit the money la sad for their support by voluntary contributions, it wouid bu found that they [lumbered at least 100,and that the sum rased for these objects by voluntary contributions was not lees than 160,0001. Besides this the state contributed nearly 100,0001. to the support of I institutions, such as the British Museum aad the National Gallery, making • quarter of a million which was annually expended for the very pur• poses which had n • been attained ; and the questomu naturally arose why with such evidence of the desire of the people to cultivate art and science by their wattle/mow to spend such a sum, and when the state contributed to that object in the seine spirit, yet that any systematic attempt to bring art and science to hear on manufacturing industry had been without effect. The result of tl.o Great Exhibition, and observation of what was taking placed in other countries, had induced not only speculative mud imaginative but practical no it to decide that the time had come when efforts eliouhl be toads to give an industrial education to the people, rod that art and science should be systernotically brought to loar on pruduc won. This subject lied attracted be attention of the nyal commis-loners of the Great Exhibition, at whose head a,s an illutarema Prince, to whom he (the Chancellor of the Excheqietr) said that the country was indebted, for he was one mu., qualiacti to form and elevate oltal reline the taste of the rtyie, mid there was no one who e e ctit more inde fatigable hours and unceasing thought on the sub ject than he hail. (near, hear.) The royal coin ini,sioncrs had found themselves in poatesaion of a liege suns after the clew of the Exhibition of 1861—that moat interesting chapter in the history of wan. That Bar plus sum was 150,0001. ; and from contribution from exhibitors and foreign states they were also in poasessioo of the basis of an Industrial Exhibition, the value of which was about 0,0041. The royal commissioners considered that as they were in possessioo of funds, and being convinced of de, deficiency of the country in a system of industrial art, and also of the necessity for efforts to supply that de fi ciency I —whether an opportunity bad nut arrived for giving l a great impulse to the national feeling, end to lay the foundation of such an industrial ednia , lion as lie had mentioned. They had to consider what was the reason that, in a country where everything concurred to develop such an industrial education, it had hitherto been unsuccessful ; and they found it was to be attributed to two caueos—firstly, the want of system ' • and, secondly, the want of sauce ; and it might be safely surd that toe latter cause was Oddly the obstacle. The Royal Commissioners thought the time had come when some great effort should be made to concentrate all these scattered energies to the great object of the industrial educe lion of ilia nation. They considered it absolutely necessary to overcome the difficulty that had always been felt— ' namely, the want of suttieient mace, and they bad pur chased, on it spot he thought eminently adapted to their object, a coesiderible portion of lactl. They lied made too purchased to the extent, he thought, of 70 acres, and on a spot where it was nut iinpossihle con siderably to increase the amount of limit. They bad expended the money which remained as the surplus of the contributions to the Exhibition, and they appealed to the government, whether they would recom mend to parliament that the state should c,ntribute an equal sum to that which they themselves expended ter this object. They wished that there should be what he might call a great Commercial museum, in which might be Mond specimens of .11 the raw produce of the world; that it should be fol lowed by • repository in which every machine that man bad devised or might devise the machinery which was to act on the raw p roduce, might be collected, that the people might find in the study of these machines • stimulus for their inventions. Finally, when this machinery had acted upon the raw produce, they wished to show the results in some museum in which every possible manufacture might be witnessed. The National Gallery and the galleries of art soil sculpture in every form would afford a fourth division. The motion was that a sum not exceeding 160,0001. be granted for the purchase of land at Kensington Gore, for the erection of the new National Gallery and inatitutione connected with science and art, in aid of the funds already appropriated thereto by the committee of the Exhibition of 1851. Lord SEYMOUR. said they had been imsgiuisg in this country that they were superior to all other countries in manufactures; but, having had the advantage oi the Ex hibition, they had seen that unless they took great care, they would he left behind. To the general scheme itself ho had no objection, if it could be properly carried out ; but ho foresaw that this was ealy the beginning of • large expendit aro, and therefore it was right that the house should be cautious. Lord J. RUSSELL said, as ofte of the royal commission, he might perhaps be allowed a few words on this subject, although the information he could give would be very little. The commissioners were anxious that out of the large sum left in their hands there should be laid the foundation of an institution which might perpetuate the Great Exhibi tion of 1861; that there should be some attempt made to perpetuate the advantages which were then derived. No• thing appeared more likely to do so than by having an institution where might be collected all that related to science and to art. On the whole, he could not help be lieving that this was the eommeucement of • great im provement. After some conversation The Ca/ arras( wee proceeding to put the vote, when Mr. HUME observed that the hon. gentleman who spoke last had said that to whieh there ought to be some answer. If anything like the Polytechnic School of France was to be the result of this system, he thought there was great Idanger of their proceeding to vote without further ex planation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was Inte -1 prised that the fact of an hon. gentleman's having made a startling assertion, for which there was not the slightest loon t dation, should lead another hon. member to oppose a vote which he had previously assented to. (Ministerial cheers.) He could assure the hon. gentlemen that he had heard that scheme for the first time, and he could say with the most perfect confidence that the assertion made was one for which there was not the slighest imaginable ground. The vote was then agreed to. EXPENSES OF THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON'S FUNERAL. It was then proposed to grant 80,0001. to defray the ex penses of the funeral of the late Duke of Wellington. Mr. HUME did not see why the home should not have a proper account. Hamm not quite sure that if an account were presented, it would not be necessary to have a com mittee of inquiry on account of mismanagement. 1 1 Mr. G. A. HAMILTON would remind the house that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had already stated 1 that it would tend to the economical settlement of the account if the money were voted that even ting. Immediately alter the funeral steps were taken to collect the accounts in the various departments, and he held in his hand an abstract of them so far as they could be obtained. In the department of the Public Works the amount was 25,0004. ; the accounts of the Lord Chamberlain and the Earl Mantel, so far as they had been rendered, amounted to 33,0001.; the expense of the removal of troops was 14,0001.; and he was ioformed that for the lodging of troops there would be something additional. The accounts which had been got in amounted to 70,0001., and he thought the whole expense would not exceed 80,0001. He could a•sure the committee that the mast rigid economy would be exercised in the settlement of the amounts, and the liovernmeut would lay them before the house se soon at possible. Lord D. STUART thought such a statement ought not to satisfy the house. He was second to no man in venera tion for the memory of the illustrious hero; but he thought it would be more decent and more constitutional for the government to out fiff asking for this vote till they were prepared with the estimate. Lord J. MANNERS said: As far as his department was concerned, the heads of all the expeuditure had, he believed, been collected, and every gentleman would have au oppor unity of testing the of the accounts. Every person in his department h accuracy ad toil, 4 most assiduously and honestly, not only, he believed, with the view of carrying out the arrangements effectively, but also with a desire that everything should be done as econo micilly as was consistent with the solemnity of the occasion. Mr. HUME said there was an established rule of that house, and he was not willing to depart front it. lle hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would consent to postpone the vote. Mr. l'Allica here rose at the same time as the Chan cellor of the Exchequer; but, being hailed with loud and cavernous groans, instantly sat down. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, amidst much interruption, Wall understood remind the house that the vote was of such a nature, that none like it probably would ever be asked for again in the lifetime of any ono present. 11r. 8. GARTER, on thing, was received with another maimed lull yell. For some time he stood vainly endea vouring to obtain a hearing, but all that reached the gal lery through the tempest of " oh's!" and noises in general, were a few broken sentences, such as ; " I appeal to you, sir, as chairmen ;" Sir, I beg —;" aad *Ansa. At last he mound that the chairman do sport and sub sided win hia Um, which ho had i cautiowly pirced on the bench Leland hon. This neetowitatt d unoth. r end rather a Jimmy risilig, which was the signal fur a riotour burst of merriment. Mr. H UME must say that the hon. gentleman had done his duty, and that the house Lad conducted itself in a moot disorderly manner. (Cheers.) If the goe. rnink.tit would not It ep their friends in Inner order, business cold nut be procee led wish ; and if the hon. gentleman reid nu t b e , allowed to make a test remarks upon the quesi...in before ' the cluituntee, he (Mr. Iluiu..) should tertunily , upport the motion that the chairman do report progress and ask leave to sit again. (Hear, hear.) Ile only trie ted that wizen they din sit again hon. gentlemen oppoiito would have learned a little better msuners. (Cheers and laughter.) Aa the CHAIRMAN was preparing to put the question, Mr. IIUIMUN roots, but he was soon quelled by loud shouts of ° Oh!" and laughter. Mr. W. rATTRN having read the motion and tho amendment, lir. HUDSON said he regretted that the Lon. member for MOUtflfr , e, to whom the house always listen e d with, t"o utmost inclulgenee—(laughter)—and to whom he (dr. II eal.un) Lad 'away* hearkened with the utmost pleasure— shou!il have been a party to more that the bows " rep at progress. (Great laughter.) The rote was on, that ought to have been passed uussuitrioosiy, atter the eellgiurat which the amide lord (Lord U. /quart) had protramei von thu etrealony. (Cheers.) Ile (Mr. Hudson) thought .hut whatever seta might have titan Aced, it ought to 1:4VO h en granted, when they *insider, al the delight the owca..ois stf .rdeu to such.. vast number of our euuatry meta who witutoied tam scene. (Chem.) Ile thought the vote eagot . have earshot by acclamation; and he thought that, wi.ati.var t. e pada.: tent would not have paid too mud' to st e such en exhibition of cublie feeling es was inanitested ou:tlist =cowl-able day. (Minieterial doers.) Mr. HUME loud not the slightest objevion, it the hon. gendernan would take a week out of his ow u pocket. Mr. HUDSON (with inim , nse excitement, and with a loud voice)—The hon. arta:l:moan talks about a check. I'll give a cheek fur as much as he will. (It would be im possible to exaggerate the amendment, or the shriek of laughter, with "hick tine idly was received by the house). Thu CHAIRMAN asked Mr. Carter if he withdrew L.a 1141011l1Mt0 t ? Mr CANTER—Certainly not. (Cmfuidon.) Mi. ELLIOTT interposed and ende aaaaa ed to obtain a hearing for Mr. Carter; but a division was called, and the pithily was clea.A. Nt. division however took place, and un re entering the gallery we found Mr. C..lt lER on his kgs, eudervouriag to uddrese the huu,e uruaLt great He said that tiny could not put bins down—he was of a d i fferent kind of metal. (Laughter.) 111th ft s;oet to t..e amen/merit, he had yielded to tue wish of the eitninittee, and had given his consent to its with drawal ; but a r.-ry different question was now Lefore them. (Oh !) It was the quests in of whether they should vote away SO,O 40f. of the public money. (Oh !) The SUMS WAS gr•glay to., 11:11CL. (Oh!) And he eosuplailoall of is as a breach f public faith. (Oh! oh !) Ilan. gintitmen en that sill • of the house did not intend to give sanction to the calenditute of an unlimited sue —(oh!)—but only that a sum should be expended bearing web: relation to precedents of cases before the house. (Confusion.) Now he was making a serious charge, nod he had a right to state his grounds for doing so. (Oh.) Ideally it was only by the grace and favour of government that they were nut voting more. (Oh.) The government had l.adall they had asked fur granted them almost without a word, and he was really much obliged to them for nut asking 111,0,A) m. n and 160,000!. (Oh, oh.) This ewe was live 11901 that required for the funeral of the great Lord Nelson. (On.) Ile called that unjust, and a fraud upon the con fidence of members on this side of the hots,. (l.aughter.) Wallet was the good of pr,cedents, if they w, re to multiply them by live? (Laughter.) it hod hero soi.l that this was a vote could never occur again. That was an good as saying that they would never have a great man in future. (. Oh," and laughter.) Well, perhaps that was true, and the people would be too wise to spend their money on the splendour of war. (Laughter.) lf, however, they should be unfortunate enough to have a great man again, or another great funeral, they would have government multi plying this prtcedem by live, and eking for 400,0001. (Oh, Colonel SIBTIIOItP was received with cheers and laughter. lie said he could nut sit still wit!imt making one remark. Tho tun. f;eutlo:nati had taNeel of "u: . sal." (Laughter.) Now erne metals were Ito .wit to has , a great deal of dross—(baud laughter)—and 1.0 woe sure that wherever visa it might circulate, the hi.n. geatleman's "racial" would never circ late throughout the United Kingdom. (L:tid cheers.) There was not a p ,or man or woman in the country that would not have given his peony t.) honour the mi miry of one of the greatest men this country ever produced. (Great cheering.) The CHAIRMAN again put the question, but before putting it negatively, Lord D. STUART rose and attempted to speak. The CHAIRMAN—You are too late. (Laughter.) Lord D. STUART said he was advised that he was not too late. The CHAIRMAN now acquiesced. Lord D. STUART only wished to ask whether the ex penses of tie foreign military deputations were included in the 80,000/. ? Mr. HAMILTON was not aware that any expenses had been so incurred ; but if there had, they would be included in the sum. (Hear, hear.) The CHAIRMAN once more put the question, and it was responded to by a burst of ayes. There were only two or three noes. Mr. Carter did not demand a division, and Ciis was the occasion of another laugh. Ss ended this strange scene. The Chairman then put a vote, which ha had accidentally passed over—namely, that a sum not ex ceeding 1,2001., be granted for the additional medical charges. Agreed to. The house then resumed. RENTS COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. KEOGH asked what cour,e the right hoe. gentlemen (Mr. Napier) intended to pursue with this an/ the other Irish bills? He hoped that ho would give them some op portunity of discussing them this we It. This bill was most exceptionable, and he did not believe Ciat 50 members on both atths could be collected who would sanction a single line of it. (Laughter.) He knew that the right hon. gen e tleman was anxious to postpone the bill, but he trusted that • ki would give them an opportunity to take the seise of the house upon what he (Mr. Keogh), without meaning any disrespect to him, must call the nonsense of the bill. Mr. NAPIER thought the proper course for the hon. gentleman to have pursued would have been to have placed a notice on the paper to the effect that the bill be read a mooed time that day three months. (Cheers.) Ile had really widentood that the bills were to be unopposed. His only intention in moving their second reading was that they might stand over till after the recess ; and in the meantime he had announced that he should be happy to receive any honest amendment. (Hear, hear.) He had heard that night with great surprise, how ever, that it was intended to oppose the second reading, and he did not see therefore that it would be of any use to press it now, but he should be quite ready to meet the hon. gentleman upon the principle of the bills, and to discuss it out and out. (Cheers.) 'After some discussion the bills were fixed for to-marrow (this day) ectordingly. Mr. Serjeant Shce's Tenant Right Bill was fixed for the MUM day. Tho West India Colonies, &e, Loans Act Amen Intent Bill was read a tired tone and passed. The Commons Inclusure lid . .paned through e3mreittee. .r.... •,.F,,,,„~,~r RETURNS ORDERED. On the motion of Mr. EltriLt•mr, an address for copy of • special commission issued by the Dutch and Belgian go vernments relative to the cause and treatment of the fatal disease of pleura-pneumonia in cattle, with an abstract of the experiments made by Dr. Wllllll7ll, of llaselt, and communicated to the Belgian government; and, also copy of a report of each commission; and On the motion of Mr. Cmereu au, a return of the env unt of hones duty charged on the occupants of chambers in the several inns of court and inns of chancery, distinguish ing the sumo charged in respect of each inn respectively. THE NEWSPAP EH STAMP LAW. The ATTOHNEY-OENERAL said at that late period of the evening he would occupy the time of the house but to make a very few observations. It would to rt collected that the Act 6 & 7 Will. IV., relating to newarespers, gars a definition in the schedule of what should he a newspaper liable to the stamp duty, and among other things it declared that any " paper containing any matter of public new, or intellwence, or any public oceurreuce, printed and pub lished in any pan of the United Kingdom, or containing any comment ur remarks thereonairinted within the United Kingdom, soy such piper hi Mg published at lesser inter vals than 26 days, should be held to be a newspaper." The house would be swam that there was a publication celled the " Household Narrative of Current Even!,; published by Messrs. Bradbury Coll Evell6, and of which Mr. C. Dick. us was the author. That publication being published at intersuls of less than 2ii days, will a news paper within the of the act, sod was liable to thu stem duty, and a n informati o n w as issued against Messrs. Bradbury to recover the pi Deities for trading the *Wisp in tile pro.:icotionot that war k, tlic object Iraq to try the question a lether ouch publications were liable to the starn•i duty or ant. lit the argument which teak place before the judge., th. lues.iim turned upon whether the two defkitions to which Ile referred were distinct and separate, or whether the last definition was a qualification of the: first—whether the third definition, which declared that any paper roman iog nay public news, inteltigeore, or occurrence printed in the United Kiugdom at intervals of less than twentysis days, was a qualification of the first, or was is substantive definition in itself. Three of the judges held that it was a qualification of the first, and that nu publication was a newspaper within the meaning of the act unless it was published at intervals of less than 26 days. One of the judges, Mr. Baron Parke, being of a different opinion. The argument in the Court of Exchequer took place before the present government ac ceded to office, and when he became Attorney-General he fonnd that the law officers of the day, his praileresser, were of 00111i011 that the i:oeision of the Court of Esehe gum. so pronounced was not satisfactory, and the• it was desirable to take the opinion of a higher court— the Court of Appeal. tr!t it his duty when the matter cane into his hands, to follow entirely in the course which hail been adupti el by his predecessors, whatever might bo his opinion on the question. Therefore t h e appeal t. , the Court of the Each, tier Chanther was den rnine,l wpm. Great anxiety was„ 'manifested as the premed usda went on, and ips,tions were lout lo him by lion. gentlemen on the other side, and from time to time he imp' tined in answer to them. the rounso of the proceed- Lao. But his right hoes. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer thousht it would be right to adhere to .7