The Express. — London, England, 1848-06-17 00:00:00

take into consileratim many circumstances and Gets which bad occurred within the last few weeks, and his noble friend was, moreover, entirely in error in believing that when the act of 1845 was passed, eeferring the period when free trade in corn should take place, that such a measure was contem plat, lon the errand of its being an experimental ono, for the Taal object WA+ to make a gradual change, and let down the farmer as easy se they enuld. The Doke of RICH tIOND—Hear, hear; " let down the farmer." (Laughter.) Earl GREY in eontinuation) mid: He way not using his own phrase —(h‘ar, hear) bovause he always thought it wouli be bett.r or the farmer end the en..ntry g enerally, that such • measure should be passed. (Hear, hear.) Ile might however ask, to shorn it was that the country owed it that they did not mimes at t tin moment a laW which his noble friend !told would be attended seith such ailvent.ge. It w :a a doe rite—thit of a fixed duty—which I,e had ale ys is-lrecEed : but bow was this argument invari ihly met • by tho un.le lords on the other side of the house ? Why, :hey were toll that they mast not levy • tits upon the food of the people—they might erahlish a corn law f,r pro tection—but acorn law fir revenue was mist unjust. ( Hear, hear ) Ile could see no course so greatly to be dome tad so that, aft.r all t e ag:t is ion and .!i•cutoioc of the autieet the settlement of the question in 1516, parliament sh.iuld now once more throw into douht whit was to be the permanent law en thin ate.d exciting subject. and pass such a temporary bill as teat sp, ken of by his nob'e friend. He could not help expressing his hope and earnest expectation that parliament would not interf, re again with thu Iluel settlement of this question. (Cheers.) The Duke of RICHMOND geld that such a measure es that suggested by /deltoids friend would prevent the mere sity of an increased income tee : as to " letting down the termer'," ho could only say tiny would never submit to being let dose, and if a had harvest occurred in this country, wher Eli re we, ab andanco of food aloe id, en agitation would be commenced amongst the tumors of a eerinus me ere, and, p‘ Ay., they would resort to measures which be w , uld net recommend; they would be rea .y tojoin any act of men is re.usieg payment el taxes when thy found the got remeut embartasuel from a detieteet exche quer. He should never forget that the present corn law bill was passed by men who all their lives before had advoested yrotettion to the agrieultursts, and they had voted egaini their c nvictioue The Ileum of Leads also had lowered themselves by their con duct in ISf6, M rift teem to this measure, in the estimation of the great body of the people of this country, and it they did not mii.d what they were about they would no: gam their confidence spin. The aubjsc then dropped. VAG RANCY. The Minnie of LANS DOWN H laid on the table some papers relative ti the Irish poor laws in !rola d. Lord MONTEAGLE said he would poropone the motion of which be had given notice relative to thin subject until hu had seen the papers which the n ible marquis hed pree nted Uri BROUGHAM conaemeed the prieiice of reli vine yap/rents by giviee them a supper, a night's lodgmg an I breakfast the cis , morning. A't. r a c :neer. item bete can the Mem:6sta( S tetettrev, the Duke of RteHtteen, Lord BEAUMONT, end Lord Bat- DIiaDAEB, the subject dropped. IRELAND. The Marquis of LASSO() WN d wished t i know the form of a motion of which his noble friend (Earl Fitzwilliaint tad given notice with r.facuco to Ireland, and when he would bring it on ? Earl FITZWILLIAM said he should move that the home felt grateful to the executive gov, nun cut for the man. nee in which it d been conducted in Ireland ' • that it re gret, d that tie legislative measures which hail hitherto been taken for the relief and intorovement of Ireland had Lot been es s xtensive or seem-Mel as could be wished ; and that it would be dmirab'e that the parliament or the intern went should take other mud more extensive measures for relieving the eistress and improvitir the e indition of the CCUU'TT. He you d brim; on his metion on /rid syn, et. EVICTED DESTITUTE PoOR (IRELAND) BILL. On; the ono•ien of the Marquis of CLAMMICARDE the aerie ,nts to thi: hill were ord, red to be printed, and the report to he received on Thar day next. Thee lordships then (et 7 o'clock) adjourned. itOUSE 11' COMMoNS.—FaiDAT, JUNE 16. The firsozza took the chair at 4 o'ito,k. I'aIVATE BUSINESS. Ri:PORT 4 r CONSIDERED.- Dundee and Perth Arils-ay leree of the Pmhee and Aehroa:h RrilwAy) ; Edinburgh and Glasgow .r .d t;.regoor, Airdrie, and llonklandslunctiou Railway tamend mint of sc.') RIADINGS.—Thetwowl. Pinrton, and Wert Riihnit Junc tion ILtilw (Iturn:ey orirl Colliery brAnebra ; Londonderry and i`dierinne It .11tray i..cd Wan of lint and amrndment of het); Lendowterry and Railway (retioquirbownt of line be tween °anti:4 and binidsliy,b.li,.&e..l.:.pipw_ -By Mr. fiVANS. two petitions from Cardlgin ; Mr. JACK'ON• from N:'lre•Plle-llndeT4l-fie; Mr. into ru MITA 4, froth Salford; Mr. IL ItlitifiLLEl, from the West Londor Itrforiu slew • ; Mr. M. f el.thvro ;Mr G. Tilnal PS IN, form aketinwel'. ; Dr. BOWKINO. two from Bolton. asid nee from Sii to..r-a-ck ; Sir E. N. 141:1TON, from )Ir. John Tucker, of Went Hun, Es-e::, an I 31i of his wurLmen frit of whom are 1.1,011' canstableal : Mr. COBDEN, two pet'. inns from Thorne, Vorkshire, and thirty-tour from other places-all in :avow of Mr. home's inattun for further parliament try reform.- dir E. N. DUX lON, Lion pre.ertant 6k-enters at Salter's-tun, Sz. JAMC.s . 4j from (I'c...holders, la•ourers and othera, in tho east part of St. Ann and trriothouruire pert of St. Mary ; from inhabitants of St. Ann; from fill .h.tant. of Sturgr-town, St. Ann; from inhabitanta of Trclawny ; from ministers of the growl of the London end Bertha 31tasiurrier S able. Al.e.tt....ter and Cutrendon; from no i.hourrra: and to ao oat fierhoidcra and labourers, oil in JallluiCA, 1111113C101,4, aignid .g _ . t.: the eatiodve plan of emigration( Tom Africa into that oniony. -. IL INGLIS, from Uwe's-aware, in favour of the Health ef Towne r.t - rivax, from abiPownere and other.. Wain./ any al eet,ti r: of :Le navidazion ham -Me. LOCKJIABT, from int r obotic* of Newea..le, for pro:cc:ton to the West India interest - Mr. DA . I.ES, from dairy and others of Dawn/bins, f r an .at d , ry ed the rawer of the neer', to Wore the ctection of a birdie), in cane of disqualification. - Mr. CAB; (WELL. :tom Lirerp. d. for protective dote. on colonial pawl lee.- IL- Vaal ef LINCOLN, from Darlington, for a acridly of free I itsonr to the British colon' a, and the removal of protective duties on tholr pridnee.-Lind D. STUART, from Martieboile. for paliamentary reform; Mr. IiUME, from inhabinuste of the metro. polio, an Sr. Burknes workthop in Southwark, for the 141=4:1 obfeet. ('I he h u. smuttier raid he had received reveal other tied. Lions *in 'he PAMC Tr-oyer; tot 114 they were printed they v _add out ho pre...sated by the ru'es of the hour.) Strotsn fiLADING.-Prisonv Bill Rhl OBT.-Appeals on Civil 111 la (Dublin) Bill. TlllitO ADING.-Corannins • luchature Bid. SLIGO ELECTION. The to:Listing members appearea at the table, and were sworn to tsy the merits of the petition against the return the horouatt of Sligo J. B. Wrightson (eosin' a..), Mr. H. E. A.lair, Mr. C. W. Martin, Mr. Evans, and the Ilea Col. Ye anent. SALE OF BREAD. Mr. BANK ES brought in his will fur checking trawls in the sale or Woad, which was rev' a first time. NAVIGATION LAWS. On the motion of Mr. HLIUtII:I3, it was ord , . - red that a =wage be wilt to the other house, requesting a copy of the evidence tako a before them lordships committee on the no. ligation laws. DERBY ELECTION. Mr. STAFFORD moved that a new writ should lieu. (or the borough (A Derby, to elect two burtriser in the room of Mr. Strutt and the lion. E. F. L. Gower. The mo i m being a couded, a d no one else rising, there were loud erimi of " Divide." Mr. hiUME pretested against this motion being brou4ht forward, after a similar motion hat b. eh negatived last ev.r.- ing by so large a majority, and when the subject geuerMly must come before the house on Tuesday. (Renewed cries of " Divide.") The house divided—For the mourn 36 Arai , .et it HIGH WAY BILL. Sir 3. TROLLOP,: asked it the Iliohway Bill, whi,h stood a- committee on Mo,day, would he procet.aed with en that day. 8:, G. GREY ?aid he had originnily intend. d not to refer the bill to a sel. ct committee, byt finding that that WWI the general wish amongst theso who w. rc conversant with matters of this kind, he should have no oldection to do on, provided the committee sat immediately, Which would per haps not delay the consideration of the bill mute than a cons mittve of the whole hmose ; at all events, the bill would not go into committee of tha whole house on Monday. (Hear.) WE"T INDIA DISTRESS. Lord J, RUSSELL. —1 ell' now proceed to make the state ment, which I had promi , d to the house before the holidays I would make on this dey, with rop et to the state of West In lia diArees. I mean oeday -co end by a mere motion of torm, no 1 to wove, th ✓, on Monday mat, the !lease , Itne: , l itse:f into a col: mate., of the whole house,' tar the purpose of c disiderin ! the prmesition which I shell' this day hero the honour of stating to the house. Sir, in ooesid. vice th present state of .he West Indies, and, genre I rally, of those twee of the Bri'ieh domirdoils in which the production of auger exists, I think it will to nee-wary— although I aids to enter a lilti into 4r:tomcat ae possible, ' —to take some gent re! view of the past course of our Ifni.- Winn. I m c .nfirined in my view that it will not be tuffi• cient to prak of the net of 1846, by the opini n of a gentleinat. whose views ate antrum in many reeducts to mine, hut who is a {Arson of greet experience, aeel who has peiel attention far many years to this subject. Mr. lone., the gentleman to whom I allude, fn answer to a question by the committee, save that the price of sugar would have been ae kw an it was if the act of 1846 Fad never pawed ; but he considered that that act, having destroyed ell confidence on the port of the Wes: India planters, there would be a certain diminution in the supply of sugar from the Won India colonies. My view is, that the distress which hie exi•ted of lee, in the West Indies resembles other eases of dieresis growing nut of the system of monopoly and protection; and what we have to eonsiler, therefore, is some general legisla ion reviler than the distrs which exits in the pretest year. There are two great acts by which the preientetate of she West In lies has been KID cied. The flret is the act for the e.naneipation of the negroes, which I coneieh'i to ha a crest act of humanity and jus tice. (Hear, hear.) I think that act was due to a people who were living under the British, but who were in the mixable corelitioe cf slime., and that if it had not pes•cd we should have had a eerie. of ii.turrections and die 'whence., w! ieh wi n'.l have been latel to the peace of the West Indies. But it ws• not to he exp , eted that a great act of that kin•l, which wave freedom to 800,000 human beings, could be cheated without great inconveniences ; aed we mai be wall sat stied that those incouv,rdeaccs did not exist to each a el. gre• as to dis'erb and overthrow the state of society ❑together- It speak, well, both for the West India pro- prietors end for the negrene, that the trare'einn from a state of slavery to a state of freedom was aceomplishall with so Lute disturbance. (:fear, hear.) O.her tamer's were passed at the same time, which threw additienal difficulties in the ways of the West Indian proprietors. I epenk of the measures f , he pro` of the Importation of labourer. from the enact of Arica, a•.d of the great difficulties thrown in the war of the mestere attempted for importing persons from Sierra L. one, ar, tram the Hest Indies into ",aa• ritius. kcieurec e! • .rwards taken to supp'y the West Indies and Mauritius with lebourcre ; but those measure, Link a considerable time. The introduction of Europeans into the West Indies failed as a source of !Rime supply, and the introduction of hill coolies hes not been attended with any greet success. Neithee have the measures taken in 1813 and 1314, as yet, had any sigoal e ff ect in supplying labour to the Wert Indies. Another incisors was token at the same time, to which great objections wore made, hut which, in my opinion, was not liable to those objections—l mean the mea sure relating to contracts for labour for one yt ar. The other great r b aog ,s to uhich I referred are the thangee which took plan' in 1845 and 1840. In 1815 en act was passed for lowering the duties on sugar the produce of free labour, and in 1816 an act was passed which hovered the duty on all foreign sugars, at Hest from 63.. to 21s , with subeceuent reductions, which in 1811 was to end in an equalisation of the duties. 1 think that if the Ernancipet . Act of 1831 recta on the indep rdont principles of religion, humanity, and justice, the act of 1810 rests sto lees on views of sound pas icy and of justice to the Ishourine people of this country. (Hear, he tr.) i cermet hut think that at was not to he ex pected that whilst there erns but a seenty supply of sugar to obtained from our colonies, and the preprietore in the WrAt Indies had managed their estates with greet extrave-• g tnee, sod whilst the labouring population there waked only tour days a week, and only live hours each day, the labouring population r f this country should to rote. d the power co ohteining a general article of consumption at a the per rate then it could be furniehed by our o it colonic.. (Hoer.) With regard to the two mea sure., their general elf et for tho mein purposes for which they were adoir ed may he paid to be comph tidy cue emsful I believe no person will deny that the act of 1931 has hat the eff et of making the no h r,, population of the West Indies independent, prosper. ur, end bappy (Hear.) So with regent to the ohj, ct of the net of 1816 it was com pletely successful in o b taining a lar,ze supply of sugar at a tem charge to the comment r in tt is c •untry, whilst, at the Caine time it inereued the reatenne of the et "to. I find that the oirotimption of cog •r in 1845 was 211,000 tons ; in 18t6 it wee 201,300 tons; in 1817 it was 290,700 tons ; the Petiolate which I made in 18f6, bring 280,000 tone. In 1815 the re venue itheiia, d from the duties was 3.745.0001 ; in 1h46, it Was 4,050.0 01 ; in 1817 it eat 4,593,0001, giving an in. crease in 1847 over 1 9 1 5 of tint lets then 851,0001. (Bear.) This was in consequent e, be it recollected. of a reduction of the dutiee. The crest object of the act of 1816 was obtained, t, as I said before, ti r nets aecomrent ing the mt assure 01 1834 subjected the West Indian proprietors to great iPeall venieneeP, and it is said with truth th ,t a great advantage is given to the foreign producer hemmer, by the present ar rangement, he is I !WOW aged to send the better quality sugar into the market of this coun t ry. while be vends the inferior quality to the rootlet , nts] markets, It is also ranted that with regains to rum the West Indians are untie r a g reat disad v ant 3 ge, aril the present differential duties give an unfelt advantage to persons in this country. Whilst I think that the two great maser.% to which I have alluded arc in their main principle, not only defensible, hut worthy of commendation and ' , upped, I em of opinion that they here placed the Wrest Indians in a most dieadvantogenus p I think, thtrelore, that the goircroultat is bound to propose any Meow. e which tht y can fairly reeommend for the purpeso of allevietin e the evils which those who are now eli,tre eyed are of -pinion will relieve them. I will new state what it is we have in (nein mplation without going ill'o any argu ments on the eutject, as I wish to defer the discussion of the subject till Monday, and em only their, to of puttivg the house its pnseta i on of our vie is. Wi.h recant to the firt4 'petition, the difficulty impin d on the West In lien pr prietore of procui lag leheur, much has been dtme, of lam ye .re, to litnirdsh those difficulties. Toe present state of the are is this, that labour, rt. may he intreluceo from any pose .whin in Africa, the only ce ultimo being Coat an officer most he on !mad to see that no traneaction re v/.IA tag the purchase of Pl..v,s or the leave trade be carried on, end that the perm& who immigrates to the lt eat Indies dose so with his uwn consent. Another meaner. hat been introdeeed by my noble friend at the head of the colonist department with teemed to the liherate d Africans, The li is. rated Africans w. re ormerly ten! •0 S.erta Leone, or some nth r pos.ossior, but the West ludic derived no advents a from the labour of these versooe, yet they were m e 'stained in a state of idleness at pee xpense. My noble friend has now provided for *ratline these • persons, with cer tain re trietire certlitions, to the West 1111.11CP, f. r the pur peso of being there cmplsyed as I theorem. The suspicion which eXiA'Cli in this country lint the slave trade would, he revate,t an lee the p *tree, otimmieretion,an 1 th .t t'e el ev, s would be comorlivd to 'yolk in tlm Indio., had ie. ended f r a longer period than was e iiher just or fair to the West Indian prow+ tore, a 'poem of WWII gratios. E Arr. Mining these views we propose now to do more than we should have dune had the quettiou been settled from the beeinning, and had the impartation of labour-is continued from the year 1821 to the pr, rent dvy. We prep° rs, Omer. ire, either to make on advance on the security of the colonial novena-•, or to guile sotto in love to be raised fur the coke I e, for the purpuse ,t providing an i r e. p 'nation of inam'grents irto t! • West Ind es : and we pre mise VIA t..e sun, ti Sr s wat -ants el shall net ho mace than 500,0001 in addition to the suns alreet'y wed by the house for that punter.. I ehnulti stet • with repot to the nuestioa of I ontrte.s for servile., vagrancy, and twinning, 1 that my cotile friend the Cult WWI Seas are I.ca psi .1 every at.- tentieu to the subject, sod that he is wild. g to agree to any thing rear.,:.ble that may he .isdip sled w ith mere to it; but t :tee are anat difficulties in framing a law on . the select, and it do s not aprear that the colonial legislature are themselv. s able to euagest any measure that would be preeticelly h neficial to the eolonito. Any measure which It ry can outer st which will nut imply comonisory labour wig ncvict the ready attention fmy noble friend. I come now to the greet 0 , the set of 1816. Complente have het n made of the too rapid Opera tion of that act, and that there is one kind of sugar which has an advantage from the present elassiffestirm or the dutice which it ought not to have. Now in considerieg this subject, I must say in the outset I do not think it would be fair to the British c insumer to impale any thing like a differential duty of 10a. per cwt. to last for a period of oil years for the purpose of reviving the industry and prosperity of the West Indies. (Hear, hear.) I think, consider ng the la , ge emount of taxes irneosed on the people of tots country, end that the labourers et this country have to work from 10 to 12 hours a day, and Auger is nne of the greet and a of censumption—l think that to impose on him s duty which it mat be an e xaggereten to say wovld amount to 2 900,6001., but which must be a d arty scarcely less than 2,0(41,0001 a year—(nn, no)-1 an 2 rosily to take it at 1,601.0001. er even L000,n0w., ; ..d stilt I say to impose en the Brittsh consumer such a ;.e tix foe so long a period would be a hardselp to whit lam not prepared to accede. (Hear, hear.) I leek, therefore, is another direction. The experience of late years has shown us that, with regard to many artistes to which I need not now re• r, on which the glut:: has 'wen letratned, sad even with regard: In articles on which the .tuty has not Nen lessened, hut in ehieh •here has been a great prnduction, and there fore a !ma rine of the price, Peen an inereseed consumption has taken vise" that there bas been no lons to the revenue, although there hvet been a great gain to the consumer. (Hear, hear.) Leonine, therefore, in this direction, end not in the din etien of an increate of the &dice now existing, we propose, nnt breaking the hope. held out to the British pined . of a reduction of the duties, to look :n the elirectien of an inerresed consumption, for the purpose of modifying the set of 1846. (Hear, h. ar ) On this point g leave to read to tt eh• use an met of a paper laid before the select oommitts eon ' , tiger and toffee plenting, by Mr. B. B. Green. lit is an account of the increase of ceneumption which 021 lowed On a lows ring of the prices. Ile soya:— In 1925 an inerrtuct of 7e. on cut. in price mined a decrease in you :uniption tons : Tons. In ISM a fall of 7MI Ild.lneremed consumption 24,900 In 1837 grime 1.4 Is. 3d. dieniniektal 12,50.1 I 1628 a fall of is. Id. incree.ed 17,•10 In lead a Amber fag vf Is. 12,11) In ;MI • rife of 7r. 5(1. &Welshed 21,54.0 In 16,7 a fall td Inereurd ::2 sou Is 11119 a ri.eof H. 6.l.ttloslaledted p.sort In 1110 a further rise of Mk 40. 11,800 la 1911 a tel. of S., increased 23,100 That increase of 85,000 tons in three years is a remarkable pr Hof of the pewee art consumption in this country ; sod it allerde us encouragement to try further experiment, in the reduction of duties. (Hear, hear) What I propose there fore is, that the duty on colonial sugar shall be renuced, after the 5:11 or July in the present year, to 135., and shall be re duced by Is. a year till it reaches 10s, I propose that the duty on ordina y foreiga Muscevado sugar should remain according to the °et of 1846, but I propose a new distinctive duty with rt gent to sus or to be called brown cloyed sugar, or !Alger of a quality equal thereto, which, from the 6th of July in the pre.eut year to tee 5111 of July 1849, shall remain at 20a.—which in the present duty on all foreign Muscovado sugar—and shall taco let reduced by Is. 6d. a year till it re moo $ 10. on the 6th of July 1854. The house will tee therefore that colonist sniper will fall, if this plan is adopted, to 13e., to 125., to Ils , and after three years there will be a permanent duty of 103. The foreign sugar in the tame way will fall Is. 01., till in the year 1811, siftor a lapin of six years, it will he 10s., and then there will be an evalisation of the duties. I will read from a paper what we propose to do: Year ending Foreigi: Colonial J lily 3. Brow.. 3111.c0v.514. Museves.lo. d. a. . 19,6 1830 1631 1451 1833 1911 ... 10 0 10 0 10 0 Thera wilt then be no temptation tointroduce the superior clues n' sugar rather than the inferior strut., any mere than colonial sugar. I think it would be a serious mischief if we were to introduce this diatinction with ri gard to East Indian sagars. This would In a new dis'inction u regards them, nod I think it better to avoid raisitth any question of this kind. Of course these changes in the duties will require a corresponding change with regard to the duties on relined and double refixed and white cloyed sugar and molassin. I have said that complzintf were msdc nn the subject of rum, and that the differential duty on that article was considered an injustice to the producer in the West Indies. (hear,) Last year my right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed that the diffirential duty on rum should be 61. Finding great difficulty in carrying that reduction, he c msented to a substitution of 9d. for 61. ; but at tho same timo he retained his opinion that 6d. would b 2 sulfl Meat. In the committee on sneer and coffee planting, evidence was given on this subject; and a gentleman who Ma the merit, which is a rare one in regard to this subject, of being impartial with regard to it—(laughter)—but who has, at the same time considerable knowledge, was examined —I allude to Mr. Jchn Wood, the chairmen of the Board of Excite, Ifs says that if he were called In to arbitrate between thn pintas he wotild Its disposed to my that 4d, was quite sufficient us a differartial duty on rum. After that Opitli/ll from a p_rtha in whose judgment I place confidence, propos-: that no .3:•easr.r du•y than 4d. shall be im:ossd: Whil.t ae him acted on our own ilotiour of what the intr. THE E'. PRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 17, 184 F. rests of the empire require, and of what is due to humanity and jostle* it would be unfair t o the West Indian prope l- Mon, when they have rood ease for equality and jostles, to uy that we mild not listen to them on account of interests which ezist.d in this country. There is one question con nected wiih the reduction of the duties which will make it necessary for us to take back a permission granted a short time ago. According to the scale proposed by my right hon. friend with regard to the introduction of sugar in breweries, no advantage was given, unless the price of corn was very high, in the we of malt or sugar in breweries. But with a reduced duty of 10.. en obvious ad• vantage would be given to the use of sugar, and we could hardly obviate that advantage by placing the two parties on on equality without a vexatious inquisition with the bushier' of brewers, and a supervision of 40,000 brewing satahlishreents. I think, thi relive, that it will be uecee.ary to withdraw the permission for the use of sugar in brews ries, which uses given by the act ef last year. With regard to distilleries, we tio not think there Is any advantage to be gained by the permission to use auger, and there tore we do not moan to withdraw this permis• sion with respect to tie en. Of course, the drawback will iliruinisti in exact proportion to the changes sffeetod. I have now towed the outline of our propesal. But I trust the house will bear in mind that in any propneal they have to consider—whether that prop• slid by the government or by any other piety—the principle of th e two acts. to which I have referred ought to he kept steadily in view. (11 or ) No desire to assist the West Indian proprietors to havo a lave production in the colonies ought to induce us in any way to impair the greet art for the ah ditinn of Amity. (Dear, hear.) I do nit speak with regent to the sugar duties, but eith regard to the introdur ion of labourers into the West Indies. I have heard of a I lan by which net/tines wore t, be purchased, and it is pelt that this would be a meritorious act on the part of tho British people. I can only say that I woad sr° gly opp sr any stieh measure. Bear ) But re at to the important • of preserving the principle of the act of abolition la the necessity of keeping steadily in view the great obji at of the act of 1816, nau,eiy, that of allowing the comiumer in this c entry to have his sugar as i kelpie as it can he °limited consi tartly with the inters*. of the ‘Veer Indians I trust I have not lost sight of that prietiple in what I have proposed. I would lament if the house in this year of great distress should, for the sake of any iwerest, do anything that would increase the price of a gnat article of consumation to the labouring men of this country. (Hear, how.) I have now stated what the propesal of the government will be, and I think it will he better sf gentle. men will allow me to circulate in the course of to-morrow the mile I propose. I shall then propose, thet on Monday the house rewire itself into a committee of the whole house on tic act of 18111. Ihe noble lord conduit: al by moving that the act of the 9th and 10th Victoria, C. 61, be rca 1. The question having been put, Bir It INGLIS said that he could not hive tedieved it possible, it the experiments had noe been made, that art de ment could he made on such a subject without one paying re terenes to that which he believed to be the do p seated feel ing of the people of this country. (Hoar, hear.) The ques tion was not whether the people of this country had cheap 'sager or not, tut whether it should he stlined with the blood of thousand.. (Hear, hear ) it was true the fine mini-ter of the crown rapt, seal his desire to preeierve iiitact the act of 1831 ; hut did be pt.:serve equally intact the ac: of 1807 ? (Hear, hear.) It was not enough that England chi utt be erred( free from carrying on the Slave trail., in her own ships. Was it not equally criminal ant sinful on her pat if wilfuly, soil with eyes even, they did chat which must eneoureee the slave trade in other countries ? tile-if, hear.) Ile wished for cheap sugar and cheep an) thing ; hut three were better this ge in hi even and earth than mete eh' apneas. Look. big to the present int astir, ape. t from mord musts, he thought it ri I•culous es a measure of Mot to the West Indian hods. ( Hear. hear.) Sir J. PAKINOTON 'hoot'', when the proper time ar ived, be !rowed to move en amendment, the &tit c's which would rye to uple I I the report of the conruittee, and to give relief to our Ina ring colonies. Mr. BERNAL die not with to go into a Ms:session upon this subject, hut as a member independent of all parties open this question, he wished now t repeat that ni•thing wind ever prevent his recording, over and over again, his opinion that Lis tercet India t lion subj.. cts wi re fully (nett d ti import into this country the piielue; of their growth fr.,• of all duty whets'es, r. I • mil. further wished to recomini net that the pseiiet should he efet lined until the whole debate u pon this h ,d been tries's. Mr. BARELY could not say i.e hat heard the nulls lord's anweencemeat with disappointment, because be had never lee's sanguine that the present government wee likely to do much ter the benefit of the West !OM co lonies lie h lieved that this measure would e 'lieu:mete their ruin. Whin the authors of the bill of 1810 came down witni • ten years with a in. were of amt ndment there could be eery li Ne eoubt that that bill was a di eihel relate:. Mr !MIGHT rose to protest a:rarest the &reline that all the diets.. as i.f . this empire was c..ntred in the West lain coloni. s (Loud ironical cheers trom tl:e Imposition.) lie was glad gentlemen opposite acknowledged et last the feet that all the'' , eymonthlis were not to be directed to one class. Ile pr etes•ed egsies• the \V. et !tilt a eolonis's rolh;lie to this country to he relieved fr on their ellatrees et the earns. of the mother country. If they t nk Inland, nr the counties of Y.,rk and Lancaster, he believed they would fled bur gnats! claims tirreliet than any that could he presented from the West I cLes. In the manufacturing districts gre•A die tress had meme.ed w ithia the List two ) ears. (Hear ) Ile helievril he nil tht •ey that within that period oi.to be the capital of throe ilioriete had been hat. (Renewed ironical cheers) lie underet• osl those cheer. ; hut let him eh, sup pose the maeufarturers were to come to that house, arid, pleading their losses ' were to demand that a legislative enactment should be passed to raise the price of all mane lectured articles is this c nintrT end the West Judie., did they suppose that the West Indians and all other el mass s.f people would not complain? (Hear, hear.) But perhaps they would illy that the distress in the West India was c °reed by leeislative interference. Ile did not believe it. When a id their distress coma- nee ? Some people ?aid two years ago —some people slid as far hack as the Enteccipatieli Art. At the period of the Etna. eipatien Art they tat voted to them a sum of twenty midlion . The interest on that was about WO,OOOl. a year. Why, he believed all the exports from the Wait Indies prior to tt'o r•oesing of that art only amounted in value to about five =Nene per annum, and it their profit en that trailine, was taken at 15 per cent., teey would find that they ought now to be receiving from the eirstion money aloe neatly 7(1,0001 a year meet than the y ere -leen by their In sinus trailing. lilt belief was, that pi 0- teetion had ruiiied the Wet' hill a, by limiting the morn lion of the co.ohists al meet entirely to ,ug a cultivation. If that. proteciisin were take n awav,there we re a humlred articles which ni:eht become a rulijeiit at truffle between this tenantry and her eeloai. s. The 500.0001 the a °hie lord talked eh iut would lot he, in his opinion, worth five?' nee to the West ladies. The ei from Aviv% w.iuld most likely pro duce elements of discord into the West I- dies, which at pre. sent were not f vesei n. Ile thought th money was so much thrown away, nseept in the career nee the expenditure would secant. The propreal made by the government was not, in bis opinion, a very material one, hut he thought it would have been far wi er bed the government taken their steed os the ac's of 1845 (neer, hear.) Mr. H. BAILLIR thought the hon. member for Man chester was the only member of 'ha house who would have had the audacity to wsunie that he, in his own person, repr ;- rented the entirepipulatton of the country. The hon. ineinher represented only a class interest—the interest of the Mao- Olt St. r manufacturers—and he would on'y ask him how he could reconcile it to his conscience as a free tr vier, that we should Like cotton for home minuticturers free of duty, whilst we taxed our own eoloni.te 14s. per e et. for the it sugar? (lhm, hear.) But he would not waste words on the member for Mai cheater. He wished to cape. he very one fly his t Itrmie tut at the cot Semite of the whit. lord. It was a measure which would give no a &clue' relief of ny sort. Mr. COBDEN would say bet a mingle word. His hon. friend the member fer Manchester and others were discountenanced by the other etas. of the house, as being connected with the cotton trade, a de lcumst ince whic'i seemed to be coned. rid as, some how ter other, depriving their ',pinions of any weieht on this subject. Now he (Mr. Cobden) was not connee with the cotton trade, but with the woollen trade—a trade indigenous in the country, and therefore, he implored, not repudiated by the pr dectioniste over thn way. As a rem., sentative for Yorkshire, he hied no hesitation in saying tent the c nine of hon. gentlemen opp .site on this got ation w opposed to the opii.iii3 of the Y•aik-liire peep o. lie would remind them that it was the people of Yorkshire who h id mappotted Mr. Wiberforce, the great anti Havery chant eine, in all the eppoeitton through which he emertel the princi ples which had brought about the depreciation in the price colour etteers. The I,tber day a dep Autism from Bredlerd waited upon the government to Atkin at !test nous hope of remeliel measures for the existing distress ; hut they went away as they came, the Chancellor of the Exch. tiner telling theot he could do nothing for them. One of the deputation meationril that his factures gave em ployment to a thousand person., reed that it was solely to give those p roots bread ih..t he had le m his facto ryes ,pn a' all, for italic he would gl Pave ci eel teem twelvemonths ago until better times arrived. It would not be particulwly satisfactory to this gentleman and liia h e w,- manufacturers to lied that while all relief was withheld from them relief was to be given to the West India planters. Mr. HUME hod heard the statement of the noble lord with the deepeg regret. Ch‘vernor nt would have done far better to have lot the mater altogether alone. It was r 'ally deplorable to hear the noble lord, utter such repeated ft u rishes about his determination to adhere to the act of 1848, thus unblushingly propose the Niel ition of the whole prin ciple and 'pint sal toss measure. (Hear, hear.) It app e ared to him that his hon. friend the member fir the West Riding of Yerkshire, as well as his other tree.trade coil news, were taking a ono aided view of the question. (Rear, heir.) His hen. friend engirded a parallel betty en the case of the manufacturers sal Yorkshire aid the sugar growers of the West Indies, whereas in point of fact there was no such alining/ at all. (Hear, heat.) In the first place the West bilks were precisely damaged by the want of that cheap and efficient Ishour which the menufecturere cat York attire were absolutely overwhelmed with. (Hear, hear.) Ile had hoped to see the government cnileaemiting to remedy the evils which its former legislation had inflicted upon the West Indies by very ditteivit m am from thoes proposed, which amounted to a mere frittering away of the public money without env sort of edvantnee to the Wee. Indies. (Hear, bent.) What the Wi st Indies wanted was a rest ra tion of confidence, and the means of producing their sugars as cheaply as the slave-hohlinsr settee. He had told govern ment how it would be whce they were propusiug the !suety and most inconsiderate mcesure which had so 1 rgely canoe bnted to the distresses of the West India interest, and Ise had moved to p. etpone the donation of twenty millions until a committee lied inquired how fur it would be safe and judicious to proceed with the eraposed plan ; but he bad been indnee.l net to preys his amendment ts a division, a eiteumstanee which h.t now reirettint. Ouesrnment talked of oar heavy taxation, and heavy, more than enoweh, God knew it was ; why did they not remove that taxation, the diaeontinuaneeewhlaa was within their power t ? Why call upon the country every year to pay a million of money for the perfectly absurd and wholly inefficient equadron off the cool% of Atria% ? (Hear, heir.) The fact was that this question must ha taken up on Monday, on a far wider and more coenprebensive hasia than that sugeestail by the noble lord. (Hear, bear.) The real question tor earnerit consult r ation would be whether we were to keep the West India colonies or to lose them. (Hear, hear.) Mr. 11. DRUMMOND quite agreed with the hon. mem ber her Montrose that the question was, whether the Hotter thought it worth while to retain the Wet Indies by simply doing them justice. Mr. P. MILKS said, that whereas the West India planter was being ruined with a duty of 6.., the govern molt proposed to rectors his prosperity by reducing the pro tection to lie. Gil. (Hear, hear ) The hon. mtimh -r complaiiie ; of the conduct of the Colonial-office, in withholding the presentation of the papers on this subject, so essential to its due consideration, until the day preceding that on which the ditenesion commenced. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HENLEY exie wed his conviction that if the country were polled, there would he an enormous nojerity who would prefer the cause of humanity, at justice, and of sound policy, to the saving a birthing a pound upon their rimer. Mr. HUDSON denied that the hon. monher -or the West Hiding ot Yorkshire represented the opinions even of Ws own constituents up-in this sulject. Mr. E DENISON "mil that the proposition of the noble lard would nut bo accepted by the West Indians as in any degree meeting their requirements. Mr. BERRIES thought the noble lord had placed him self in a singularly unenviable position by his slat. mint. There was not • ',Mete member, as yet, who had given it his sanction, and this wen no rem trkable circumstance, eon. sielering what the measure oar, or either, woo not. A ter all the lahours of the committee up stairs, after its produc tion of eight thick volume., containing more inferrne•Mi than had evil. beb , ro loon furnisk-4 to the house up on any one But+ et, after the atilt, rep in it had p -eserited, the noble lord had, as it nothing had hoppencd, pro. o a miaeure which met not oar of the ri quirements which gave occasion to the clminater. (Hear, hear.) In fact, it was not a mea sure at all—it was a mere evasion ot the subject. (Het", bear.) Again, alter our t.rty years' struggle ottaiotrt sac. ry; after our enortneus outlay ot money and of life, and of inn°. ence with the maritime nations of the world, in vindication of the principle wo had proclaimed in hoeti.ity to the oto t. ▪ elates trade; after we had been told, and toll omit truly, that all wo had dune had merely been to mike slate trade at once more horrible and more prosperooe, the noble lord, in his speech upon this question, so intimoti Is connected with slay, ry aid the slave trade, had net unfit. d •iingle word about either slavery or the alive trade. ( Heer, hear.) As to the prove ed measure, no one in the co would accept it as a reliel it would not even he taken as an instalment ot relief. As he did not believe the contemplated reduction in the duty wool -I have any effect upon the c ineuteption in so fir as to increase the revenue from that cause, he contesseil ho was unable to foresee hew th • right hon. baronet would he able to wind up the incomplete budget which lie had pre sented to patliament. There wan a deficiency in the r& erints amounting to three and a half millions. Whera were th • resources of the riJ,t hon bonnet fur le iitging over, or rein r ti r shuttling through, Lis financial dirfieultice ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIt said that he had attentively listened to the speech of the right hon. ct n tivm in app ,site, and had certainly a xpected hien to emit by Making a room , er-nrodmit ion to the house in lien of that or his noble feared Proposals had been made on the part of some of the %Viet Ind. tor to 'travel° fire labourers from tie re-captured Afi icons lodged in the harrac ion% by trees!) irt ing them to the British coloitice. But this the gorcentnet.t would not cnn ent to, ns it would give direct encouralemenr to the trallie in slaves carried en in the int- rior of Attica In feet, he knew of no plan by which free la bourers coull be supplied to the West Indi-a save Out now in practice, and it any mote eliectu d Mrtlmod mould be sudgeided, he would avower fur it that the colnni .1 office nil the government at large would give each plan every attention, provided the principle adopted was that of rending free men, and by their own free will, to labour in the West link s. The ge at difficulty in this reepect, hail berm Ilium the w. n; of fusels to transport free I ,torturers to their estates on the part of the nt inters. The it'darure hid impost d fio re strietions on the import of tree labourers. Bat the right hon. gretleittan wished to exclude all slim.-grown sugars (ruin the home markets. Mr. HERMES remetked that be said nothing of the kin The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would b • so-ry to mincer bent the relit hon. centleman, bat his hon. trifled at his right band also so understood what had 6•en Laid by him. It apps-red tap n, teat he WAY hot prepared to eat lude sliVr•grown sugars 00 1 11 It 011Cconsump ion. Mr. HERMES explained that what he hut stated w that the legulatore having decoureged, by heavy diff Nevi $1 duties, the consumption of slave grown sugars in the house market, had removed suddenly thew reetrictioes by the act of ISIS; so I that now the n able lord proposed to re-move ' the remaining restriction altoerther on its consumption, ha gradually briuging the elutes en stew-grew',- and free labour cue see toe level. That was wit it he oh jeered to. The CHANCELLOR of that EXCHEQUER thanked the right lion. gentleman. Then what he int_nt to argue was. that the high rate of duties en slave-grown su ems ought to h• m iintaire d, hut n t outirely to exclude those engem. The government, however, felt it nee ' , teary to abide by the polity already m Ace I cut by previous mejoeties of that Ileums, which had affirm.' the principle of aimitting all s ogles into lair and free corneeteion. Tne paint, thee, which the right hon. gentleman contended for was, the maintenance of prote.tiou for the British planters during an aecqu ete t. em, to enable theta to compete by means of free labour with slays iur imeart. At.d the argument advanced by the protectionists wet that the only chance of putting down slavery was to give free hiliour every possible advent ge ever slave labour. The reeommendation of the committee nominated by the indite lord the member for Lynn was rot to exclude slave-grown sugar, but to grant pro tection for six years, in order t+ gist the i hinters time to make their arrangements. The hon. member for Leomiuster (Mr. Darkly) defined that protection to be a Ills. duty on Brieeh plantatian sugar- for three years. Therefore, metes the iegieleture Wes prepared to go back, the sole questions to he consirl rid were, not the exclusion of slave-grown sugar, but for what time and to what amount was pentectirm to he eatended to free-lab sur stream ; and on Monday he Ahmed be prepared to prove that the government pronosel was pre , fertble to and better than that suggest.. e y the eppoeite patty. Mr C. P. VILLIERS remark, $1 that any oce who had heard the epeech of the hon. member for Montrose on the presentness on, e ould havesupposed he bed never done other wise than blame the art which emancipated the slaves, and th it he bed also been oppneel to tree trade. He only cited this in order to show how very much oi blimp' wavered on all sides of the house on the question ).elore them. He had no dotett whatever that the M.n. member would be able eatis facterily to replaiii his views on Monday, ant to mike thi m en .siatent with his gereral opinions. (" ar," fry m Mr. Hume ) The great point to COIIIIO I CI seemed to him to be the want of the British West India planters of free labourers. It was generally admitted that it the neeroes now di the I.lends s. Auld work, there would he Veto) , of sugar pro. • laced, Therefore, it seeme d to hint that the great thing to he done was to produee a morel effect upon the negroes now in the W. st Indies, the tendency of which would be to show them the y were not to have it all their own way, but that the government would Intl amistanee in bringing in fresh lehour from other quarters if the negroe who bed been emancipated toile not work at proper rates of wages. E ird 0. BENTINCE slid that the West Indian mei', which scent out to-morrow, would carry with it tidings of ,j,•. 1 ,,,r and ile.mey to the West Indians, as well as the deepest re ;fret in eh it meals at the progress wheels the slave trod had made during h e last two years. He seas quite sure the noble lord's propwel would he of no avail in averting the ruin that prevailed in the West Indies. To say that when those colonies were in their present ruined stare, and struck down by the measure of 1816, a protection such as that of the government would he any relief to them, WAS it mockery. The reason why he rose on the preset occasion WAS to OW. the British planter, sloe heart amidst their do Altair. (A lough.) And if the mail was to carry out the government Invent, to let the c,lonio'e listen to the col mess with which the noble lord's prepositions had been received. To let them see how the hon. member for the It iversity of 0.1 ripetch had been received, an-I to leach them that the noble lord's dictum was not received as an edict by t e house. (A laugh ) He sutured that the verdict on Monday would he that the British colonists should net be allowed to perish. The right hon. baronet (the Chaneellm of the Exeheouer) had Intim aid that antler tee act of 1844 slave grown sugars were admitted from the United Sta•es and Venezuela That was true, hut so small was the quantity as not. to exceed 31 tons in all the quantity imported under that set in one year. The hon. member for Bridal had alluded to the despatch of Sir Chris Grey, end had justly eemplained of the leneth of time that hod elapsed Were that despatch win laid on the table of the house. Ile (Lori( G. Bentinek) would en further that the hots. member. Ile would affirm ti at fir C. Grey's despatch was received 011 the 271 h of March, and that not on'y was it held back, but when the hon. member for Kinsale (Mr. B. Hawes) was examined before the committee on West India distres., he positively declared that he knew nothing of the state of the case which was con•aineo in a despatch the: had been nine days ite his porscroion. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) I. was to be sore nothing mire than a renewal by the Under-Colonial Secretary of the acme trick th it had been played off by his chief in another place, when • despatch was withheld for four bourn after the debate had concluded, ( [Lear. ) The hon. member cheered, but he would not do so when the evidence given by him before the West Lelia committee was quoted to the house. The noble lord then referred to the West India committee blue book, end read a part of Sir C. Grey's delimited, wherein the Go vernor of JAMAICA states that unless the Gazelle price of Muscovades could be permanently maintained at 305., the recut would he that the cultivetion of sugar must be aban doned in Jamaica; and "for that reason," continued Sir C Grey, '• I recommend that the r uties on Muscovado§ he levied at td. per lb. on British free-labour sugars, and at id. per lb. en foreign sugar', liable to alterations when the foreign cote:dos !emitted their slaves." That was, in sub stance, thy remedy which he had proposed for the adoption of the house. Bet what was the evidence of the hon. mem ber the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies Wore the committee, on the sth of April, he having had the dispatch which he had just quoted since the 27th of March t The hon. member, on being questioned by Mr. Ouulburn as to the accounts from Jamaica, referred the committee to the general accounts from the Weit Indies known by the name of the Blue Book, and, moreover, shoed that the accounts were of a general character ; and when Mr. Goulourn, dissati-fied with the vague and indefinim rep'y of the hon. member, asked him whether the Governor of J.imsica wrote no d,p itches beyond what were to b.f . -F.ll , in the blue heol. the hen. meatuer d'sttnetly seed- ." Yea he does, but I am cot aware of any despatch of importinee which but been received from him and withheld from the committee " Mr. HAW ES— It was not withheld at that time. Lewd G. BENTINCK —Why, the despateli which I have quoted was received at the Colonialmtlice on the 27th of Marcb ,• the hon. member's evidence was given on the sth of April, and the document itself was not produced or printed until June. (Hear.) Mr. B HAWES—It was produced when the noble lord weed for it. Lord G. BENTINCK.—The hon. member is fencing with me. (A lammlL) I moved, on the Bth of May, fir the prodution of all papers received since the last were printed. But the hon. Unite r Secretary expressly mated before the committee at the time this very despatch was in his pusses• that he had received no despatches of importance at all from Jamaica. ( Hear.) He thought, therefore, that he 1114 a right to make a grave charge spinet the emalenial offi cer fee heelers/ hack so imp ortanta despatch. (Hear, hear.) Ile would not at that time go further into the dis cussion. seeing that no result was contemplated, hut would merely advise the noble lord at the heed of the government t r he meted in dealing with great nannies. The noble lord should not content himself with eddeng in a miserable matter of Is. or Is. 01. per cwt. on mutt .r, when the inters the nese the very exigence, of great c 'lefties were at stake. (Meer, hear.) Those colonies had hen loyal in the worst of times, but their patience had its limits; and he would tub: leave t t say to the noble lord, in the language of Burke, that magnanimity in politics was not seldom the :rurst wisdom," an.l that " a great empire sell lit le minds go ill together." (Cheers ) Mr. HAWES &nisei that any undue delay had taken teem. in the delivery of the despatch in question, but moat' delm r leugthened explanaton until he had heel an opportemity 111 making inquiries. This much, however, he would say, that he had understood the question (Attie right hon. metals 'r .or Cembridge Calve raity as Wearing to whet was technically eared the C ilonial Blue B u k, whice blue honk had not been received up to the present hour, and therefore cued not have been given to the cammetes. As to the despatch of Si , C. Orey, as seen um the noble lora had moved for it it was put into the cepyise's h mils, and an fir as he (Mr. Hears) knew no unnecesetry delay ha f Liken place in lay ing it before the- committee. Mr. DISRAELI wee of epinien that the hon. under secretary had cxhibit.d nn unnecessary degree of indigna tion. Did he must to say that the despatch of Sir C. Uri) , hod hem n presented in good time to the committee? • Mr. HAWES lasel not uudentood that the despatch In pi, stem was called fir in Uie first instance. Subsequently the noble lord moved for a great many despatches, and they were immediately placed in the printers' hands. Mr. DISRAELI did not think that the hon. under , wee tary hail bettered his position by his i terlocutory oh serration. Hem, hear.) The hon. gehtleman had, as a witness before the committee, Been aikeit for information winch he, as a member of the government, must have pos• w. .se.l He evaded the question and choe to think that it Ti fere d to a mere routine report. (Hear.) lie was asked whether he was in in ssemion of a y informatiou of impart, ance, and he declined to menteii the despatch which had lea en alluded ti by the noble lord the member fur King's Ls n. Mr. IIAWES.—I stated that tome despatches had been ' rewired Mr. D'ISItAELL—Ti s: but the bon under secretary thought the despatch to Sir C. Grey of se little consequt ace as not to require . speci 1 mention. (11. ar, hear.) The great question wax whether the despatch in coedit.n would or would not hue influenced tee decision of the committee. i llesr, hear.) If he recoil. ett d right, the right hon. mem ber fur Cambridge University had asked for the dcseatch. Mr. HAWES.—The riget host. genile•nen was present and would answer fur himself. Ile had uneerstood the tight han. gentlemen to ark for what was technically called the blue bee k, and h•id, therefore, enswesl, and truly, that it wes nut in his posse sioa. Mr. DUULItti RN said that the hon. under mutton y must have intsunderetod the question he had put te him. (" He ow," and taught, r.) lie hail eked whether govern. me. t had received any information front the Gavernor of Jamaica which would throw light on the distressed sate of that colony. (Loud cries of " Hear, bra:.") Ho owned he had been surprised when subsequently he sow the de• witch of Sir C. Grey. (Hear, hear ) Mr. DISRAELI was quite anti-fied with the answer which the right hot. member for tho Uteversite of Cam. bridge had male to the appeal of the honourable under secretary. (Hear, hear.) But nobody had supposed that a statesman of that right honourable gentle man's talent asrl experience would be so green as to ale fur • blue book. (A laugh.) The question w ,s, as he had be fore meted. whe cur an important document had not been withheld, mid whether, if proeuceil, it would not have heu an important influence on the decision of the committee. their, hear.) All that had b. en said within the previous Sew isthmus went ti cinflem the statement which hail been made by his noble trieeie but lie (Mr. D.sraeli) would leave th • rotation fur the Nereid Letwt ea the hon. under secre tary ant the right hon. mem') r for the University of Cam bridge. It was net Isis inetntien to prolong the disco-- eion en the general question, hut ro merueering that the picket was to mil on the (Mowing a ay, Le thought that all expression of ri e hnuu should net Ise deferred until Monday lie protested regales' the ceurse of the go vernment. They might have adopted the stigeestion of the enemitiie, or they might have adhered to the policy cf 1816 ; but they hod done neither. They had paltered in • double se ee, end while unfaithful to peiticel economy, had been eqeally Jibe to protection. (Premed ,ni-t chem.) As the packet was about to sail, it was but right that the colonists should know that all in that house were not equaaly unfaithful to their interests—that some leek, d upon the pro peke= of the government as devoid of every stateamaulike quality, and es nulthely to lewd to any result. (Hear.) Vet at was the question us between the English people and the eelunies ? lLe English people, as represented by p r liatnent and government, had entered him a contract with the auger growing eceorres in 1834. They aboli-hed slave labour, and in return promised them an abundact supply of free labour and a market. To that contract there were four condtions, and three of them bad he n violated by the lintel government. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had said Chit the great object of the bill of 1816 was to secure cheap sugar is the people of England. If that were the principle, why not relieve the people in other matters in taxation, for installer ? Why not sponge if the netimel debt, and thus relieve the people from a great portion of their taxation ? By fellowiter up a hi g h tone of morality, a greater fiscal result might be ac romp' shed than the colonial catastrophe wheel was now bt ing aoromplithed. No one had told the house why the emtract with our colonies had net been :ultilled. The hGu. member for Manchester had sp.oken of relief to his suffei ieg conri ueuts through the medium of cheap wear. No doubt they were suffering, but so we re the colorists, and in both eases from the legislation of the bon. member and his sceool. (iie or, hear.) '1 hero was one consideration which had been e. tubed upon by the noble lord the membe r for Kteg'e Lynn, and which he (Mr. Dismal) trusted would ever be omitted from the discus:4,n of this queeti .a. The Wen India colonies must Let be permitted to perish altoge ther. (Hear, hear.) They had existed for some centuries, had achieved a considerable degree of civiliemion, and had br .ught the land into a high state of cultivation. Therfore, notwithstanding our political economy and perfidy, it was not possible to suppose that they would or cuu:d come to utter desolation. Olean hear.) But how were they to prosper? They must he supported by some metropolitan authority. Dependencies they were, and must ever ri main an; and depend upon it, that if forsaken by us, a reilliau of men would not perish without a struggle, but would seek encouragement and sepp et from traneadalitic powers. (liar, hear.) But were they even tecuring cheap sugar by the present proposal? He remembered having said in 1816 that the history of men was the history of reaction, and that the noble lord reple.l in et sp ech full of lash :14 corpus and t -e rights of man; but now, two years after, the noble lota himself came (lowa with a retro-active p they. (Rear, hear.) The tact was, that all this time we had been establishing differentiel duties in favour of Cuba and the Brands—in fact, establishing a monopoly for the slave-growing countries. (Hear) The right hon. member fur Cambridge University bee touch, d the morel blot oft: is case. If there had been no parliament, or mere unfortunate still, no reporters, they neght hare get cut of the scrape ; but forty years of public meetings, forty years of pletform orate. y, and forty years of ministers of state raised toe ffise through their advocacy of the nholition if shivery, were traditions which would not eerily be forgotten by the people. Among other things the distineuide.d pert teem in that aeitativa by the Society of 1 i iends would not be forsotten ; and therefore when he saw in the hon. member for Ma Chester the eloquent advecate of slave-grown sugar, when he heard him tell time people that all tiny were to leek to was t .e (heap:use of the article, he thought he was justified In A iVll4l{ the: the present waa an era of remarkable reaction. (Ili ar, hear.) The government which had hrougl.t in the bd. of 1846 were now obliged to come forwent with a reme dial eolicy. (Hoer, hear.) What would the people of Beg lend think whin they found that the hee.trade policy had so 1.0011 broken down ? (Hear, hear.) Ile had not the slightest doubt but that. when they late :rse-:rude elects of core, and t'.at agricultural distress which the hon. me.nber for Man chester had described with so much unction, and on the anti cipation of which he had gloated with so much feeling—when they had cheap provieionsconsentaneous with commercial de pression andcolonial ruinous(' atotal want of business through out the country,they would reg. et the policy into watch they had been talked, and the false system ot which they had for some time been supporters. (Hear, hear.) He should give his opinion on the government pro posal at the proper time ; but so far as his voice went he wished to let the colonists know that he had entered a protest as indigo ant as that of the Unit. r Secretary's against a measure brought forward under circumstances he believed unprecedented in this coun try, with reference to colonial legislation, miserably feeble in conception, and leading, as ho belittle d, to utter disappoint ment and unparalleled failure. (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL said, that in making his proposition, and deterring the discussion till Monday, he had men ly adopted what had for some time b. en the usual course. But hon. members had not on the uresent occasion taken that course; for bath the hon. member for Oxford and the hon. member who had just sat down had entered at some length into the principle at the government proposition. He (Lord J. Russell, must first take the hon. member for Bucks, beceuse that hon. member had shown pretty clearly what was to be the nature of the deba'e on Monday. The hon. member said that the re-active policy he had prophered in 1846 was coming about, tied that all free trade principles were to be overthrown by the government proposal. NOW the house might see from this in what spirit the hon. member would support the government peeped tion. Ile (Lord J. Russell) had supposed that the me.inesg of the right hon. member for Stamford, in proposing a 10s. duty for six years, was that it should expire at the end of that time, or he gradually diminished. If that were the proposal he (Lord J. Russell) should o ject ht it, on the g round of the burden it ieei s cu the peope of Beale ; but it would not Inca very different iron the principle of 1546, whi c h pointed to the gradual equalisation of dotirs. N w, ever, it was explained that the object was to treetopa prat!. tion altogether. (Hear, hear.) lie was not merry to leap this, because it showed the house the real nature of the s m , suns they would have to discuss, namely, the proposition of the government modifying the act of 1816, wed the propowt for a difTeren: tat duty of 10s , the e ffwct of which would be to lay a oonsiderable tax on the people of this country. Th e hon. me miser for Alf rd University had represent his great indignation that he (Lend J. Russell) had not touched upon the question of slavery. Why, he had thought that the whole of his speech went to allow sh u t t b a effect of the government measures would be to enable the eolonies to compete with slave labour, and by giving them free labour to discourage slavery. (Hear, b ear ) lie routers. d —and, after all he had heard, he felt humbled is confeeeieig—th et he had thought there were two p a w" whose interests were to be kept in view in legislating 0. thq subject. One was the great man of the colonial pope i t a ti o; amounting to reine.tenths of the whole, and the other ww the 99•100ths of the people cf this e anntry, who wort deeply interested in the price of an &nide foe which they paid 12,000,0001. aterleng per annum —( hea r , hear, hear) —of which they e.sed 300,006 t ons, w 6,000,000 ewts. (Hear, hear.) With regard to there two p erti s he thought thee the govere.m.ent i.oliey had not hee l wholly unsuccessful. The labourieei, reputation of the New Indies had been raised to prosperity, and the /tenets of thi s country bad obtuined a cheap supply of a great arti.le of consumption. Vieth respect to the e-utinevance . of protectio n the hon. member for Leominster had h imself s t e w : ti at if coietinued bey cud two years its ceeneiquences would be disastrous to the coloteien. The noble lord here read at length Mr. Hoek:yid 'widen's, Mr. Harkly thought, therciore, that the effect else 10a. duty would be sti'l mono dionerous in the end—that it would be disastrous in Guiana, and more au the other eedonies. Mr. BARKLY—What I said was, a 10s. duty co/oh/tied for 10 years. Lod I. RUSSELL—But the hon. gentlemen mitt, ate, that lie did not consWer that, it the 10s. duty were 0 0 . tinucd, the colonists would be in a better positinn than they were now; erhi in ono place h distinely stated that th e 10s. duty should not continue FM more than two 3 ett7s an d that, if it were continued but fur two yr,rs the cern? , thine for labour would he less intense than if it remained for tin. There s ere too other answers of the bun. gentleman whim were reutarkahle—first, that a 10s. protection °ted raise the price of colonial sugar 4s. per cwt. In this market, the consequence of which would be the same us a du yof de, except that, instead of going into the exchequer, it would go inter the pockets of the West India planters, or in increasing the wsrs of the 'shouter. The other answer was to the effect that the great ebject of the propri. tors w to make sugar without regard to the cost, and that t!, 1 1 was the great cause of the high rate of wages; gel tout, it a 10,. protection was given for 10 years, the proprietors would rein nothing, but wages would be further iecreaeo l ; n. a dd e d the reason of this was, that the planters were often subject to encumbrances end were nut altogether their ewe mot n, and were consequently compelled to enter into expemive, and, to them, injurious, cultivation. Well, then, the hoe gentleman's opinion wan, that a prOcetien of lea for t ee years would be beneficial, but that for a lone period it would be injurion: ; and, teeing that the government proper sition was to give apr oection, though n t of 103 , for tit year*, he did not think that proposition dinned to be met by the hon. member with stt h utaweeutred teems hes as he had stack d it with. (H. ar ) The question the house would have to decide was a ith respect t the proposal of a 10s. pr..tective duty. If such a duty, while inswing% tax on the p. °plc of this country, as be rreteneed it would, should lead, as the hon. gentleman stated, to tl, giving . of very high and extravagant wogea for la b our in the colonies and, instead of placing the proprietor is ahe tier position than he now wee, eensnme his erefits by the c,retetition fa labour which must arise, he c.uM not see on what ground it could be supported. (Hear, Lae) It appeared to him that such 10s. dote, whir it woeal be a serious burden to the people of England, and while it would not be a real bereftt ti the labourer, would be injurious to that very (less for whree edrant•ge it was proposed, and who were the • nlo persons rho it was thungta would profit by it. (11• ar, hear.) The hon. mem ber for Montrose had noo declare:l aeoinst the pro p osition of minister.; but that hon. gentlem in was nit content with continuing the preser.t protection, bat woell projtose an in crease se the only means of otvitg the celoties. Against such a scheme he thnugot Mr. loves hail given a most con clusive rearm. Mr. loses said he should be soiry to see protection re.enadted in this country, because the eel - mists could not in that cam be tortait, that the lee would not be swain changed in a year or two—there weed be a c,natant struggle on the one hand to maintain protection, end en the other to overthrow it—anti there would be no a_eurity for capita until the question was finally welled. (Hear, hear.) That opinion of Mr. lures' no ecrundered perfectly reasonable; and it the beam sheeld decide up-u ra eine the protection to t.n shil:iaes, in.o. el of the amount overnm , nt proposed, the effect would, ca on's, be a renewed stret Ile on the seal jest, and thou eh t Jere might not be that suece:etul r. action the Lon. member for Buck. jegham-hire luekcd forward to, yet ell Coe c who were Is vouraLle to free trade in c aru and the oioe of Loper: ditties, would struggle again to diminish this duty on guru, and to free the people of the United Kiogdem teem a tax w onerous to them. (Ilenr, hear.) He had heard it asked that eveniag what signified Id. a pound in the price of "gar ? Lord G. BENTlNCK—Butoureroccuilon goat tondos the prie• lay reducing the duty. Lori RUSSELL had nneentoorl the noble ind to sty that Id. a pound was not a mater of importance, bat the noble lord now said he propas-d to r. duce it. He pro posed to reduce it, however, in o way which the Chautellor of the Excaequer would se treely c oasent to, inasmuch as it would involve a sacrifice of 900,019!. of roe OUT, an d if the ditty were 10s. on colonel and 20s. on tore-fen sugar, in the absence of the check of foreign import", the price would rise and consumption diminish, end there woad be a e rrespood ing dimiuution of revenue. It woe s.id a.c Vast a large consumption you have had, end se the Vast I In totems can provide that tapir, w' y net take it wholly from them? But boo. gentlemen seemtd to forg. t that the incr teed ton pump:inn was owing to the diminutien of price. (Cheers.) The increase w , 18,000 tone in three years, but if they re-established protection and made sager char, they would and ir.cre ased consumption ould cease ale) give placed* a diminution. It was wend, del how extremely sensitve the market W.. 11 in this re.p.et, end how imnailiateiy slight 'Daiwa of price diminished the c nuumption ; proving that with the great mats of the people not Id. bat Id ,or even 11. a pound in the price Man article eras a matter I I of importance as regulating their paver of centumption. (Hear.) He had been led to in•ko thise remarks by the great length to which the debate had gene. He ehou:d be read on Menday to defend the g nornmea. pint as one that would piece the West India pruerseter in a more advoita geous position than that in which he at resent stood, while it would inflict no injury on the labourer. lie was aware that any plin tot going decidedly in favour of the one party or the stair—or that ail not primate to confer immediate std great adymtag. n, was liable to the imputttion of being a mere paltry meddling with Vie gated ,n ; he, however, felt continued that on a question like this it would be nowise ti go to one extreme or the other. The tots' abolition of the pre. tit aifferential duty, he was ceuvinecd, would be ses unwisa as to make any great increase in the p-esent am mat of protec tion. They (the government) repotted ter. refore that the diTer. ntial duty should cease altogether in six years, giving in the meantime a reasonable pretee ion to the West India colonies. His otj.ct was that the groat mans of tee people in the Wes: Lilies and in this cm etry sheuld have justice d , ne them, and that free labour might be placed in a peel tem to compete successfully with slave labour; and believing that such would lie :b.• effect of his propatiton, he should sits ceutitlence ,üb,uit it to the house on Mind y wet. The motion that cha house on NiJn.lty next restive itself into committee on the meat duties was then agreed to. THE NAVIGATION LAWS. T:.e order of the doy for &lag into committee ea this subject having been read, Mr. HERMES, Mr. NEWDEOATI, Lord G. DaIITTICCE, and Mr. HeNLeY, protested against eommeecing the debate at so late an hour (half post ten), when many gertlemen had left the house, not expecting it want I come on . Mr. LABOIiCRIME, Mr. I.lUttli. Mr. AGLIONHY, Lord B. 13110SVESOR, and Lsrd J . IttreatLL, Were a4.l._iri that the diseu.siJii should proceed; and, after smss -, en v. r,:fen, the house divided on the question that the kteaker do leave the chair. Fur the motion Aealast it The house then went into corn nittee, and too - Caairman having reed the Mgt resolution. Mr. I STUART east Warne upon tho govcroreimt fir forcing the house into a dieruesion upon so important a su'o• ject st half pact 10 o'clock. Such a CAM.) was neither decent nor proper, and he mutt, thee. bore, move that toe Cnairmon relott mimes "ea Mr. LABOUCHERE said he mast in return blame hon. gentleman opposite fur the course they wero our-wing. (liter, hear.) He begged to remind the house of the oh. set 'ration lately made by a woe by alderman. who said that, however op' osed to the mcassreo of the gout-anent, the last thing he should consider himself justified in doing was to throw any obstacle in the way of the consideration of these measures. Alderman THOMPSON did not repudiate the observe til)fl attributed to him ; but a great many hoe gentlemen oppued to the rcsolu'ions having left the house—(Cries of " Oh, oh")—under the imprest•ion that they would not be brought forward that night, must stipport the motion for reporting pv , gre.e. (Cries of " Olt ") Lied C. HAMILTON would also support that motion, as he fee Alected ne care of similar importance being f viva upon the house at so late an hour. Mr. itUME urged upon the heuse that the jreicat stage of the question wu only preliminary. Mr. lIROTHERTON said .hat tt had been agreed some time since that these resolutiontt =houid be paved as a matter of ceurse—" Hear, hear," and cries 0' 4 ' No, no")—and he could not denominate the Fes. I l en.aotherwise than factious. Mr. ROBINSON said he should oPer every opposition to it in his power, even at the risk of its king cal, I factious. (Ironical cheers ) Mr. HENLEY supported the notion for reporting progress. Mr. RICARDO coneilered it most imp :dant Cita the de tails of the measure should be before the publLt its soon as possible. This was most es‘ential for the etteri•sts of trade slut all partiesidTected by the castigation laws. Mr. IiUBSON denied that the hue. member who had list egoken truly tepreseutol the sontiments or the ship owners. The minority of this house justly sir : adiug the iojery which this measure w. u'd .nfliet on iet.pr. ant in t• Tots, had a right to take such cusps in oppee:tion as they thought proper. Government were justly Moo alter hating resolved on this measure in Nevemoir la% tsr intro ducing it at so late a period al the smsioi; if it were :tot \