The Express. — London, England, 1851-08-05 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT, Avovprr 4. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat at five o'clock. I'ETITIONS I'RESENTED. UtEaL or UNlTtlitaess.—By the Duke of RICH MOND, front Unitarian ministers and others of the South Unitarian Society, complaining that clergymen of that church of England refused to read the burial service over the corpses of unitarians, and praying that they might be in-emitted to use a service of their own, or that the ministers of the established church might be directed to read the burial service over their dead. PALACE.—By the Duke of WELLINGTON, Earl roitTEscCE, Earl of MALMESBL'ILY, and Lor d bEAU3IONT, from various places, in favour of the 'atten tion of the Crystal Palace. the last noble lord said that many of the petitions came from a distance, and were signed by se rmon who could not have any interest in the Crystal Palace being conserted into a winter garden. He could we no architectural beauty in it which rendered it desirable that it should remain; and, if an agreement had been entered into with persons resisting in the neighbour hoed that it should be taken down when the purpose for which it was erected was answered, that agreement should be adheres' to. ORNElett. Mann 01 ITICO.TR BILL.—By the Earl of bi ALM ESISU Rl', from Worthing, aitainst this bill; and the Earl of CAttLISLE, from the same place., signed by every m.slical man in the town, iu lavour of the bill. By the Earl of II A itROM:IY, from Blackburn, against the bill. The E irl of SHAFTESBUItY said that, as fir as his evidence ai id, the inhabitants of Worthing were anxious or the hill. After a short conversation the petition was ordered to lie oa the tattle. PAPAL Arineesstos.—By Lord REDESDALE, from several places, against papal aggression. A SINECURE OFFICE. The Duke of 'LICH:tit/ND begged to call the attention of the noble marquis opposite to a bill which went down to shi other lisrise of jsnrliauu nl three months ago, to abolish a Uneeisrs. office. fhe Intl had nut been taken up by the government, and there was now no chance of its being corned this session ; but he hoped the go-ernment would not again till up the Mete ,as it was peek-ray useless. The M aqui. of LANsIrOWNE made some observations which were totally inaudible in the gallery. GENERAL BOARD OF lIE.ILTII (No. 2 s.) BILL. 'Die Earl of SHAFTESBURY mortal the second read ing of this hill. The Marquis of SALISBURY opposed the bill on gene ral 'meads. Lord ST.INLEY (of Ablerley) hoped the measure would not be furred on those towns—llertfonl and Worthing— that were nod willing to wept it. (Hear, hear.) After a brief conversation, The Earle( CARLIsLE hegvel to suggest to his noble friend (the F. irl of Shaftesbury) the withdrawal of the towns of Hertford and Worthiog from the bill. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY assented and the bill was then revel a second time. EMIGItATION ADVANCES DISTRESSED MS TRIcTs (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the aantina that this bill he read a seeind time, The Doke of NEWCASTLE objected to the bill. How ever, seeing that it was then tun late in the session to have a better measure introduced, he would not divide their lordships un the question, though at the same time he ahould rinsed his protest against it. The Doke of ARGYLL agreed with the noble duke in the olsetion states' by him. Ile hail also another objection to 'eke, nans..ly, that the bill lief Ore their lordships .eane ti ttttt sl the diversion of funds to an object not originally cents mplated. 'ITc 101 l was then read a wenn.' time. On the motion of the Earl of Cant. ist.r., the Inverness Bridge (No. 2) Bill was nail a thirst time; the New Forest Deer Removal, kr., Bill was mad a thirst time; and the Itese Oh the Ikatersin l'ark Amendment and Exteusion bill was received. METItOPf)LITAN INTERMENTS BILL. The Earl of CARLISLE having mused the second read ing of this bill, The- Bishop of I.ON DON urged the shim of the London clergy, who wore almost entirely dependent on burial fees, to toinpeusition if the pr-actiet • of intrainund interment were abolished. The right rev. prelate ended by leijing a high tribute of praise to the venires rendered by the Earl ut (*Aisle to the cause of !unitary reform. Earl REY thought that the clergy had an undoubted right to compensation. The h •, however, had better euspenil its judgin..nt till the papers moved fur by laird Ilarrowhy were laid he-foet. it. The Earl of SHAFT ESltt 'RV renewed hi. eontplaiiita against the Government for the lukewarm support they gave to the Board of Health. Earl GREY denied that it was the intention of Rey of his colleagues to treat the board with disrespect, after which the sub j. et dropped. Aft, r some further diseussissn, The bill was read a second time. W.WIIIPPERS (PORT OF LONDON) BILL. On the motion that the house should go into committee on this hill, lord DEA t• NIONT put a question to Lord Stanley of Alds rley with respect to certain amendments on the 22nd clause, Ina that noble lord refused to accept them, and they were withdrawn. 'the bill then paewil through committee THE CCSTOMS DILL. This bill was read a third time and tooted. ('OIIMISSIONEILS OF RAILWAYS ACT REPEAL The order of the slay for the third reading haring been moved, Mr. J. GREENE said that the old bill was bad enough, but he considered the present bill a worse one. The groat evil of the measure seemed to ►im to he that part of it which referred to the examiners. The specification was to remain the same as of old. The invention was to be provi sionally riori.tered, and the inventor had to go before the examiner, who really became a dictator in the matter. He was to determine whether a man had a right to his specifi cation or not. And for this he was to have 1,2001. a year. B. hoped the government would not persevere ',Rix this measure. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the matters to which the his. ilastlernau referred were more fit to be discussed in committee than on that °erasion. The subject was one of great intricacy and difficulty. (Hear, hear.) The present measure was more economical and more ample than the co existing system, and he believed it would be hailed aa boon by the country. (Hear, hear.) Mr. RICARDO said that he would oppose the measure on the ground that the country had not had time to consider its provisions. He should support the motion for the post ponement of the committee. Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped the government would with draw the measure this session. After some further discussion, The motion fur postponing the committee was withdrawn, and the house went into committee on the bill. Clauses up to 4 were agreed to. On clause 4, Mr. GREENE proposed to leave out all the words re ferring to the appointment of the examiners. Mr. RICARDO moved as a proviso to the clause, that no person be appointed examiner who should be a patentee, or who should have acted professionally in taking out of a patent. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he had no objection to the proviso. The committee then divided on Mr. Green's motion— Fur the clause For Mr. Greene's amendment -44 The clause was then agreed to. On clause 6, a discussion took place on the subject of the fees. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply to questions put to him, said that it was holed the fees, winch were made as low as possible, would be sufficient to meet all the ex penses. If more was required it would come before the house in the annual estimates. After some discussion the clause was agreed to. On clause 7, requiring a petition and declaration to be accompanied with a provisional specification, having been agreed to, The CHAIRMAN repotted progress, and obtained leave to sit again at 12 o'clock to-morrow (this day). METROPOLITAN WATER BILL. Sir J. GRAHAM presented the report on the Metropo litan Water Bill, and said that to-morrow (this day) he would move that the evidence be printed. The house then adjourned till live o'clock. The Speaker resumed the chair at five o'clock. NOTICES FOR NEXT SESSION. leml It EDEsDALE moved as an amendment that it be 11111 a third ti 111 l • that day Haw: mouths. Lord lioNTEAGLE .60 condemned the bill. Their lordships divided on the original question : Contents Noieroutents -4 The hill was then read a third time and pawed. NEW ZEALAND SETTLEMENTS BILL. After a few remar►s from the Duke of NEWCASTLE, and a brief explanation from Earl Guar, this bill was read a third tiro • and passed. The General 'Own' of Health Bill (No. 2) passed through committee. The Lunaties (India) Bill pawed through com mitt.s•. w.oi read a third time, and passed. The following were reel a tint time: General Board of Health (No. 3) Bill; Collection of Fines (Ireland) hill; Constabulary Force (Ireland) Bill; Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill; Petty SUNi..II. (Ireland) Bill. Their lordships then adjour n ed at 20 minutes past 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF CONINIONS.--NIONDAY, AUGcsr 4. The Syr-taint tank the chair at 12 u'eloek. PUBLIC Bust:Nam. PKTITIONS PRISSEXTED. Etocc %rum (Iggt..tsio).—By Mr. G. A. lIANIILTOX, from Kilkenny. stating that the churrh of Rome would meter sanction a united system of education, praying that means might he provided for affording education to the humide classes who conscientiously approve of the present interbal systl m of education in Ireland : and that the word Gisl niitht be made the basis of the system ; also, a peti tion from Fermoy, in favour of the Church Education Soviet y tl relaruH. t•risrtt. Farm-it—By Mr. SEYMOUR, from Poole; Mr. WILLCOX, from Southampton; Mr. O. F. YOUNG, front f ; Mr. lIFXItY. front Ilury (Lincashire), in fatiiiir ..r the retention of the Crystal Palace. It tws, mr, VAWN, from Whith% and Mr. SIVONRII, front Inverness, complaining of dues levied on vessels passing Ramsgate Harbour, and prating that tho.report of the commistfiuners may be tarried out. Evil. ti. AND CAPIIT Lan EAN.%Nr% —By WAWN. from Shields. prayinq that the house would o u t par this bill till the evidence taken before the Ilnuse of Lords was laid before it ; Lord J. from the Dean and Chapter of /turban". againrt the paring of any compulsory prosision fur the olfrastehiArmrat of ecclesia•ticAl property during the present 1••••Isit 011 ; Sir D. lIALL, from au intliritlurl re siding in l'addinermogrect, Marylebone. stating that out of SO 1111.11101/ and 'JAM tenant% roonpri•ctl in the see of Lon don, the present bishop had enfranchised only 11 minors and 00 truants. notwithstanding the nuntcrou* application% which lad beta made I,rt onfranchigcnacist, complaining of Mr. B. ROC HE gave notice that early next session he would move for leave to bring in bills on the following subjects : A Bill to Reform the Grand Jury Law of Ireland; a Bill to Alter and Amend the Irish Poor Law ; a Bill to Amend the Law relating to Fairs and Markets in Ireland, and to regulate the Sale of all Agricultural Produce in Cities, Towns, and Country in Ireland ; a Bill to establish • regular system fur taking the averages of the prices of all Agricultural Produce in each Union in Ireland, and to carry out a Uniform System of Valuation of all Property for the purpose of lining :all rates and taxes; • Bill to Allow the Application of the Land Improvement Loan to the Building of Suitable Houses fur the Labouring Population, and for the erection of retteries for the preparation of Flax; and also to move a resolution that "On one day in the week Irish Bills sk.II have precedence of all other business." Mr. URQUHART—A select committee to enquire into the mod: of conducting the iliploonitie service of the coun try; also a cumusicion ou the subject of public vapour baths. THE CASE OF DON PACIFICO. the ineetnesience and loss wastalsed Ia several inn.inet : , in ninlonwiwnr, of the refusal to enfranchir, and of the coin , MOW , fro. luyntite to the hilltop and his steward when en hawks. rat lit n.is granted; urging that the non-enfran rhisetnent of the manure impeded the erection of house. in localities peculiarly adapted to building purposes, and praying that ;u any 14 . ,04.itiaM With Twit.ird to teatilLotiCil top t holds, the enfranchisensent should be made compulsory; Mr. Ali LION lIV, from two indis Waal", against compulxiry enfranchiwinent, eitYLlf,tL PALACE.—ANSWER TO TIIF. ADDRESS OF iii fin fu reply to a Lineation from Mr. UHYCHAIIT, Lord I'ALMLItSTON said there was no objection to the N per* Oil this salgett being laid on the table. Lord D. STUART, referring to the fact of the Portuguese IrOVernMeld baring rewarded their commissioner in the affair of Don Pacifico with honours, while no such mark of ' approbation had been given b our own government to their commissioner, Mr. Campbell Johnson, asked whether it was to be inferred that her 31aj+ sty's government was dissatisfied with the arrangement the commissioner+ had come to? Lord P.ILMERSTON had no difficulty in assuring his noble friend and the house that the manner in which Mr. Caninbell Johnson had performed his duty as the British com missioner was entirely satisfactory to her Majesty's govern ment. llis noble friend was aware that in regard to conferring honours and decorations the custom+ of govenirnents fered—foreign government+ were often lavish in conferring such rewards (which, as it appeared to him, ceased to be rewards when given with indiscriminate profusion)—(hear, hear)—but that was not the habit of the British govern alma. (Cheers.) BUENOS AYRES. In reply to a question from Mr. Ctturn.ttti, for infor mation respecting the new phase of the relations between Buenos Are. and France and England, Lord PALMERSTON said the answer to the question is simple, at least so far as England is concerned. It is well known that a treaty of peace and reconciliation was con eluded and ratified between the British government and the Argentine confederation more than 12 months ago, and that a similar treaty was negotiated on behalf of France by the French admiral on the station, Admiral Le Predour. That treaty wee forwarded to France, where some objec tions were taken to it, more in form, I believe, than in substance, and it was in consequence sent back to Admiral Le Predour for reconsideration by the Buenos Ayrean go vernment. An amended treaty was subsequently eon ' eluded and signed by the French admiral and the Argen tine negotiator, which was forwarded to France and at the present time is under consideration by the French government. That treaty will require the ratification of the Assembly; but I am informed that in consequence of the pressure of other business, it cannot he brought under the consideration of that body during the present session. Mr. URQUHART—Have France and England a corn mon understanding in regard to that treaty ? Lord PALMEItSTON—I apprehend that the French and English governments enaleirkssl in the interference on a cominsn and identical principle—the endeavour to restore peace in that part of the world, and to maintain the inde pendence of 1 ruguay. I am not aware that the French government had any other object in view. (Hear, hear.) AFFAIRS OF EGYPT. Mr. URQUHART then put a series of questions in re ference to Egyptian affairs—whether the British govern ment supported the project of a railroad in that country to a capital to which there was now continuous water commu nication; and if so, whether England had bound itself in the matter by any guarantee ; whether the condition in the treaty of Jul), 1810, as to the hereditary succession to the Pachalick of Egypt, was to be allowed to interfere with the power of the Sultan to appoint; and whether the discre pancy between the action of our ambassador at Constanti nople and our representative at Alexandria was consequent upon instructions received from home, or was it the result of their own views? Lord PALMERSTON—In the first place, as to the rail road, I believe the I'acha of Egypt intends to construct out of his own revenues a railroad from Alexandria to Cairo, and it is the opinion of her Majesty's government that ouch a railroad would be a wise and expedient undertaking—that it would contribute to the prosperity of Egypt, and be of advantage also to all countries having commercial inter course with that state. (Hear, hear.) But the British government have entered into no engagement, or guaran tees of any kind with regard to the construction of this rail road. (Hear.) it is, however, undoubtedly the opinion of the English government —an opinion which has been ex pressed to the parties interested—that the Pasha of Egypt is entitled to make the railroad out of his own funds in accordance with the terms of the firman by which the hereditary succession of the Paehalick was granted in ISO. With regard to the discrepancy alluded to by the hon. member between the course taken by her Majesty's analereinlor at Cautantinople and her Majesty's consul general at Alexandria, all have to say is that I am not aware of any such discrepancy. (Hear, hear.) Of course both have acted under instructions received from the came source—the government at home. Mr. URQU lulu . reminded the noble lord that he had not aneweranl the question as to the rights of the Porte in the Pachalick under the treaty. Lt. d PALMERSTON—The Armen laid down certain conditions upon which the family of Mehemet Ali were invested with the hereditary Pachalick of Egypt—that is it attached certain conditions to the holding of the Pachalick. I am not Aware that any change has been made in those condition., and of course they mast be observed. (Hear, bear.) SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST OFFICE. Mr. I'ACKE inquired of the Secretary to the Treasury whether the recommendation contained in the report of the commissioners appointed to investigate the question of Sun day labour in the Post-office. dated the 10th day of August, •• That where the duties are such as to prevent the rural letter carrier from atteniling divine service, an at rangement be Mae for providing a substitute, at least, on the alternate Sundays." hail ben carried into eitiet : and if not, whether it was the intention of the Postmaster-General to adopt it ? Mr. C. LEWIS replied that an instruction had been given to the Postmaster-General by the Treasury to carry that recommendation into elect. .It was the intention of the Postmaster-General, as soon as circumstances would Lord J. RUSSELL rose and mid that her M ijesty had been *eased to give the following gracious answer in reply to the address of the Howse of Commons respecting the Cryst sl l'ulace. "Ilse Majesty has received the address of the 114A1%. of 011111110343. praying that her Majesty would be =il to tale sups for the preservation of the Crystal until the Ist of May. It will be necessary to con sider carefully the engagements of the royal commissioners, sad her Maj,ty will direct an inquiry not only into those engagement,. but into various matters of detail, which meet be considered before any decision can be made on this indiSeet. - Glens. hear.) GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH. On the motion that this bill be re.ul a third time, Mr. HENLEY moved the omission of the 9th clause, which introdueed anew principle of rating with resaril to Formal prison, which did n u t apply t o o th er prisons. Sit Lord v noun and Sir F. HAKIM& opposed the motion, which was negativNl without a division . Mr. J. WILLIAMS moved the omission of Macclesfield hem the schedule, which was also negatived. The bill yeas then read a third time and passed. NUISANCES REmoyA!.. _AND _ DISEASES FRE- EYTIO "BILL. This bill was mad a lhinl t 11;; aud7as bed. CANTERBURY ASSOCIATION BILL. This bill RA• read a third time and ;Passed. PATENT LAW AME N D MENT BILL. On the motion that this bill he committed, Mr. IIENItY mimed that the committee be postponed tall to-morrow, for the purpose of airing parties who were interested time to consider its provisions. The ATTOItNEY-GIENEKAL said that if the com- Lewd PALMlRsirox—Nocommuoiestion of the nature of the supposed note hail been made by Austria to her Ma jesty's goVerument—(hear)—and the result of suck in quiries as we have made on the subject tends to lead us to the opinion, that the note in question, like another which also appeared in the continental newspapers,. is a pare in vention. (Hear, hear.) I say another which appeared in the foreign newspapers, because I may as well state at the same time, that there was another note said to have been presented by the governments of Russia and Prussia to the Italian governments, assuring them of their support in putting down any internal convulsions that might occur. Her Majesty's geverninent made inquiries as to the authenticity of that note, and from the information we received my belief is that there is no foundation for the report as to the exist ence of that note, any more than there is for the report of the existence of the note to which the hon. and learned member has referred. Such being the ease, of course no application has been made to her Majesty's government in ' the spirit of that note. (Cheers.) With regard to the other question, whether any application has been made to her Majesty's government to expel fore*ners resident in 1 this country, it may well be supposed, as my right hon. frier.d the Secretary of State for the Home Department (who is unfortunately not now in the house) stated on a former occasion, that certain foreign governments look with concern and anxiety on the proceedings of the foreigners residing here—(hear)—but nothing has passed which amounts to an application such a, the hon. and learned member supposes to have been made. Had such an appli cation been made, the answer to it is obvious—" That the laws of this country give no power to her Majesty's go vernment arbitrarily to expel any foreigner who resides here, so long as he does not violate the laws of the land." (Loud cheers.) COURT OF CHANCERY AND JUDICIAL: COM MITTEE BILL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved that the Lords' amendments to this bill be printed, and taken into conside ration to-morrow (this day), at 12 o'clock. Agreed to. NATIONAL GALLERY. Lord J. RUSSELL brought up the report of the corn- MifOCIOIICFS appliUted to inquire into the site of the National Gallery, which was ordered to lie on the table. The noble lord stated that the commissioners recommended that the National Gallery should not continue iu its present situa tion, and considered it would be desirable that a site should be chosen for it in the immediate neighbourhood of Hyde park or Kensington gardens, where they thought a site might be obtained on reasonable terms, or, if not, that a site might be provided within the gardens. The subject would be brought forward by the government fur conside ration next session. (Hear, hear.) EPISCOPAL AND CAPITCLAR ESTATES MA NAGEMENT WILL. The house then rewlceditsellinto committee on this On the first clause, The SOLICITOR!-GENERAL said an alteration hail been made in this clause to meet the views, which on a previous evening had been expressed by many honourable gentlemen who addressed the house on behalf of the in terests of the lessees. The bill, as the house was aware, was merely a permissive bill, to enable lessees and the par ties who held church property to coast to such arrangements as they might think fit, with the approbation of the estates committee of the ecclesiastical commission. The estates com mittee would not have the making of the bargain between the parties, but all the arrangements entered into would be sub mitted to them, and must receive their approbation. It bad been asked, on the part of the lessees, that there should appear some recognition in the act of their peculiar position in reference to their property—not of any definite terms to be imposed upon them, or that they should impose on the capitular bodies—the terns of the bargain were to be left to the parties themselves who cease into the agreement. (Hear.) Rut that, fur the guidance of the third party, who was to approve of the arrangement, these equitable right arising frost the con tinued power of reucwal attaching to the petuliar nature of their tenure, should be acknowledged. (Hear, hear.) The words by which he proposed to carry this object into effect had been taken from the report of the committee of the House of Lords, %herein they said it was desirable that regard should be paid to the just and reasonable claims of the lessees. In another passage the mine claims were de scribed as cliims almost amounting to a right, from the long continued practice of renewal. (Hear, hear.) The words he proposed to introduce into the clause for the guidance of the Commission in giving their sanction to the agreement whist' might be made under the bill, were utter the words " Estates commissioners, who shall pay due regard to the just and reasonable claims of the present holders of lands under lease, or otherwise, arising from the long continued practice of renewal." lie moved that the words he had read be inserted. Mr. PIGOTT observed that if he were in order he would move that the chairman report progress, and ask leave to sit again. Col. SIBTIIOIIP professed himself willing to support the motion for reporting progress. Mr. HEADLAM would certainly Tote for the introduc tion of the words proposed by the Solicitor-General. Lord IL VANE expressed his surprise that a bill like the present involving so many interests, and amongst others those of his own constituency, should have been brought forward at the ekes of the session. After a few words from Sir J. DUCKWORTH, Sir D. lIAI.L said that some surprise seemed to have been expressed that ens opposition should come from the lessees, but the grounded' the real opposition was this—that the bill had been brought in at so lute a period of the ses sion. (Hear, hear.) His own opposition, in the first in stance, was based upon these facts—that it was an unex ampled proceeding to bring in a bill of the kind at such a time, to put it into print and circu late it at eleven o'clock in the morning, and then for the whole force of the government to be brought down in order to thrust legislation upon the house. (Hear.) There were millions a year almost at stake upon this question, and it was one of the most difficult which could by possibility be dealt with. If the bill were allowed to pass, precedents of an unfortunate character would be afforded for future legis lation. lie thought it desirable that the words proposed by the Solicitor-General should be recorded as the opinion of the committee, and then that they should cease all further legislation on the subject fur the present session. If ally bill were passed to meet the case it ought to be one that had been well matured. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. Aglionby, who hoped the amendment would be carried be a large majority, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. E. Hudson, Sir 11. Willoughby, and Colonel Sibthorp, Sir J.URAIIAM said he had not thought it consistent with his duty to support the further progress of this bill on the former occasions on which it had been under discussion. lie had been of opinion that the importance of the bill was too great, the period of the session too far advanced, and the attendance its the house too thin for the consideration of so important a subject. (Hear, hear.) Much mere strongly was he of that opinion now. (Hear, hear.) Hs had nut been in the least prepared for the proposal made by the Solicitor-General. (Hear, hear.) This was a mat. ter of the greatest importance. This was a bill, in fact, affecting the partial spiritual destitution of the people; sad thus regarded it surely was a bill whirls ought to be consi dered in a full house. (Hear, hear.) it was to be remem bered that in 1845, six years ago, general rules were laid on the table of the house by the ecclesiastical commis sioners, which, in the most express and distinct terms, laid down the principles on which they had up to that time ad ministered, and subsequently admiuistered, she atikirs of the great trust confided to them. What were the real interests at stake? There were the interests of the lessees en the one hand, but there were the interests of the great body of the church on the other. lie had stated before, and be should never miss an opportunity of declaring that he was de cidedly opposed to the distinction between the "episcopal" and the "common" funds which had too long prevailed. He believed that by this distinction an undue temptation was held out to the right reverend prelates of the church, who were allowed a fluctuating income ,• who were called on to receive a nominal fixed sum; but who took their chance of what more they could receive out of the common band. To the utmost extent consistent with Law and equity they ought to do their utmost to increase the amount of the common fund, which was mailable for the spiritual wants of the people of this country. Ile had never once dissented from the opinion that considering the extent to which dissent had spread in this country, and considering that the House of Commons wan not the representative exclusively of the church of England, but was the repre sentative, at the same time, of various classes of dissenters, it was impossible to expect that the spiritual wants of the people could at any future period derive assistance from the general taxation of the country. (Hear, hear.) lie held that the property of the church itself must be ape plied wider the directiod of parliament to meet her own spiritual waists. (Hear, hear.) Then they came to the question—what was the con dition of this church ? lie would refvr only to the second rsport of the ecclesiastical cenamissioners. That re port showed that there were dense masses of the population for whose spiritual wants no provision had beets made, and that although great efforts had been made within the last ten years to meet those wants, in this metropolis and else where, still the growth of the population outstripped all these exertions. In point of fact, then, the spiritual desti tution of the country at this moment was as great as it had been at the time the ecclesiastical commissioners were appointed. (Hear, hear.) Could there, therefore, be a more sacred trust than to keep up the fund set apart for this purpose ? The question was, What was the law and the equity of this use ? Of' the law there could be no doubt. lie was nut new prepared to admit permit, to carry out theinstractiou. I that there ought to be any equity consid era ti ons such as EDUCATION (SCOTLAND). those which had been suggested. His hon. friend below Viscount MELGUND asked if it was the intention of I him (Mr. Cardwell) had mentioned that in this report of government to introduce a measure on the subject of the Lords there were mentioned several different cases of national eduettion in Scotland next session. I dealing with property at the will of the lessors, which ne- Lord J. RUSSELL could not promise that government r gatired either the legal or the equitable pretension of the would be able to bring forward such a measure in the neat lessees. There might be such claims.. Ile was not pre session. Tlx subject was, however, one which well de- pared to negative them. All he said was, that parliament, served, and would receive, the attention of the government. up to this tiine, had never, either directly or indirectly, (Hear • bear.) l given its sanction to the proposition. (Hear, hear.) Was OCCUPATION OF ROME.—FOREIGN REFUGEES 'this a light matter they were discussing? He had IN ENGLAND. only by accident seen the report of the Lords. Mr. ANSTEY, referring to a report in the continental They were discussing what were to be the transactions as newspapers of an instruction from the court of Rome to its regarded property, which was to be esti ma t e d in millions. represeutatise at the court of Vienna to end eavour to effect All at once, therefore, and without inquiry, he could not the replacing of the French garrison at Rome by a garrison I agree to a principle not heretofore sanctioned by parlia of Austrian and Neapolitan troops, the avowed object being l ment. There were other objections. The regulations to prevent the possibility of the re-establishment of a liberal binding on the discretion of the euminissiouers had been government in Rome, asked it' any communication on the . fur six years on the table of the house. No attempt had sultect had been brought under the notice of her Majesty's ; beets made to interfere with or to negative than. Last year governmeut by the representative of the court of Vienna in the committee over which the hon. member for Molten a note as hail been reported ? Also whether, in the same I (Mr. E. Denison) presided, and of which he note, as was also reported, application had been made to ' (Sir J. Graham) had been a member, in mak the English government for the expulsion of Hungarian, ing their report on this subject, had advis e d - is Lindes, and for the sup- I that an estates commission should be atipoimed. They did `d to be negotiating m I more—they had advised that the Ecclesiastical Commission I should retain the power of laying down the principles iu reference to which the estates committee was to proceed. Aud that advice had been adopted in the act of last session. Surely the legislature had then had an opportunity of enter ing a caveat against these regulations. (Hear, hear.) It might be right to say now, fur the first time, that power should be given to sell the property of the church. That was the provision which came down in this bill, as unal tered, from the house of Lords. Ile would not negative it —lle would not sanction it. llesintply protested against considering that principle in the last week of the session. But they proposed to add a principle still more important. The words introduced at the instance of thc Solicitor-General gave not only the power to sell, but asked that in the process of sale a favourable consideration should he extended to the lessees, on account of past years. He would not say now that under strict regulations such a permissive power, favourable to the lessees, might not be exercised advantageously to the whole church as well as to the lessees. (Hear, hear.) He was by no means prepared to say that, after consideration, he would not give his consent to that proposition. But, looking to the vast interests at stake, and considering that they were now dealing with those spiritual wants of the people, compared with which their other wants were as nothing, he could not conceive it to be his duty at this period of the session to assent to the pro posal. (The right hon. baronet was most indistinctly heard throughout his speech.) Lord J. RUSSELL owned that it appeared to bins that if it was right to consider at all the question before them, and he did think it was right, in conformity with the ex pressed wishes of the House of Lords it was at the saner time perfectly right to consider on w hat terms they could agree to the bill. It seemed to him that it was not very fair in hon. gentlemen to say that they were ready to consider the bill, but that they were precluded by the late period of the session from considering the alterations proposed by the government. He found now, from what he bad heard, that the lessees had had greater reason to complain than he had supposed. What he had understood was, that the ecclesias tical corporations, on the one hand, were to be empowered to make their urrangettents with the lessees on the other, for the purchase of property; and that the estates commis sioners were to have a superintending control. But from the course of the debate it had appeared that nothing but a strict legal right, to be enforced in a court of equity, was to he attended to; and that the estates commissioners were to have no other power than to say yes or no whether an agreement Caine within the strict law and equity of the ease. this being so, he felt bound to support the view of the Soli citor-General, enforced with the opinions of several of those who represented the interests of the lessees. (Hear.) What was proposed was, not what would he com pulsory and binding with regard to the church estates commissioners. It was only giving then' a certain latitude to consider certain things—that they might have regard to just and reasonable claims arising from long practice of renewal. There was no question as to the character of those Commissions, or as to their fitness fur their White. Two of them were appointed by the crown, and one wee appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury. (hear.) Howe, er up pointed, no one had found fault with the individuals selected. (hear, hear.) They, in considering the just and reason able claims of the lessees, could not lie expected to go beyond what they should:think were lair and reasonable pretensions. (Hear, hear.) The whole question, therefore, resolved itself into this—whether the house of Commons was now to say that nothing beyond a legal and equitable claim— that was to say equitable, not in the sense of hieing fair and reasonable, but in the %ease of a claim that could be enforced in a court of law—should be granted iu any CAWe to a lessee. (Hear, hear.) Ile confessed, for his own part, that he would have preferred to this bill the plan proposed by the commission appointed by the crown, and which, in the shape of a bill, had been placed before the House of Lords. (Hear, hear.) But, having failed in obtaining the sanction of theilemee of Lords to that plan, it did appear to hint that they were not in a condition to carry out this bill unless they took care that the interests of the lessees should be iu some degree regarded. (Hear, hear.) It was a questiou for hon. pont:men to consider whether there should be any option or discretion respecting certain claims arising Irma long practice of renewal. lie was quite ready to say with his might hon. friend (Sir J. Graham) that it was most desirable that the church should obtain her further re:settees from her own funds, and that there should Ise no applieatiou to that house for aid (rein the ge nerd revenues of the country. But, at the same time, he did not know that it was more objectionable to seek finale from the state, than to seek additional funds by dealing harshly and contrary to what was just ;out r, asowilele in regard to church property. (Hear, hear.) Ile would with these views support leis hon. and learned friend the Solicitor General. lie doing so, it was only saying that they agreed to the bill ou certain couditions, not compul sory but optional with the estates commissioners. It would be for the house of Lords afterwards to say whether the bill deserved approbation on these terms. II the House of Lords should not think so, then, of course, in the next ses sion, they would have to consider whether they could frame any other measure on the subject. Unfortunately there did not scent any great prospect of agreement with respect to any compulsory measure. In any compulsory measure there would have to be some such element as that which the Solicitor-General had proposed. (hear, hear.) From that principle he (Lord J. Russell) was not prepard to depart. (Hear, hear.) Mr. J. A. SMITH was not prepared to sacrifice the interests of the church for the benefit of the lessees of that church ; but, on the other hand, however great the spiritual destitution of the country, and the want of the people for further spiritual instruction might be, he was not prepared to sacrifice the just and reasonable rights of the lessees even for so im portant en object. Ho could not consent to Ise frightened out of what he believed to be the just and reasonable rights of the lessees by any such legislation, or even by the sin cere respect he entertained for the church to which he belonged. (Hear, hear.) Mr. CAVLEY observed, it was said that this was a permissive bill, but who was to be the umpire ? The members of the eceleeiastical commission were persons of, estimable character no doubt, but the bias of their minds I had been seen, and all the conclusion that could be come to was that more had been left to the secretary or the solicitor of the commission than would have been left had the numlier of the commissioners been fewer ; for with the fewer number cone the higher responsibility. The value of the property in question was probably not less than 30 millions sterling, of which the church sow pos. sensed, or dill practically now possess not more than one fourth. Then, could any one thank it was fair or reasonable to take from the holders of that property an amount which if the rule of the commissioners were followed would, pro bably, be 12 or Li millions sterling ? Ile should call it an injustice of the grossest kind. And what was the ground fur it ? Church extension. But parliament should have repudiated that principle betbre. Over and over again it had been repeated and reiterated that the just and reasonable claims of the lessees should be re erected, and that the moral certainty of renewal should he always considered by those who dealt with them. Because they wanted the money they had nu right to take it from those who came the easiest within their power. lie should certainly vote fur the introduction of the words proposed by the Solicitor General. lie did not claim credit to himself fur more disinterestedness than other people hail, or wish to conceal that he was himself a lessee. But in the year 11133, before he was a lessee and before ho had any expectation of becoming a lessee, he had expressed the glint] views upon this question quite as strongly as he had expressed them now. (hear.) Mr. Sl'OONElt was desirous both to promote the common fund of the church and to protect the vested interests of the lessees. If the bill was thrown out because it recognised the just and reasonable claims of the lessees, a spirit would be stirred up which would be found very difficult to manage in another session ; and, if the lessees were set against the bill, mere injury would be done to the church than any benefit they sought to confer by legislation. lie implored the house to pass this bill with the amendment of the hon. and learned gentleman without delay. It involved uo principle beyond that recommended in the report, and only did an act of common justice. (Hear.) After a hew words from Mr. Bannow, Mr. HENLEY said that cverythil'ig he had heard strengthened the conviction he had entertained that the bill ought not to be passed this session. No one denied the jus tice of the amendment, but it had been said that the amendment would change a permissive bill into a compul sory one. But the difficulty was that the house was asked to come to a determination upon imperfeet information, and to decide a great question in a hurry. (hear.) That was what he had complained of on Friday, and he felt it still. Without the introduction of tho words proposed the com missioners would not have the power to give to the claims of the lessees that favourable consideration which it was admitted by all they ought to have. But the house was called upon to discuss those words without being prompted by the usual motives, and without knowing what was the opinion of the parties mint concerned. He hoped the noble lord would not press the bill. (hear, hear.) It was not fair to ask the house to adopt this or that form of words, if, as had been suagested on the other side, the bill Was to be thrown out afterwards. That was a serious consideration. It had, he understood, been sug2es:vd on the other side to the noble lord, to let the committee conic to those words and then to stop. Would it not be wiser to stop at once? There has not been time to consider what the effect of the words might be, and they might not satisfy either the one party or the other. To insert the words and then get rid of the whole bill, would not be a very credit : able with positiou, while, as he th oug h t , t h ey m i ght stop now credit. passed was, that when the opportunity was given to the parties of coming to an arrangement by themselves, it would form a foundation for a compulsory enactment hereafter. Surely to decide that arrangement the parties must be allowed to come together on terms of perfect equality aid fairness. The reason for inserting these words was, that if they . were not inserted it would take away from the commissioners who were to decide upon the propriety of the arrangement the power of sanctioning any arrangement which took an equitable view of the claims of the lessess. The commis sioners hail themselves taken that view. The commissioners said that the Freace had no right either in law or ill equity to a renewal of his lease. He believed everybody agreed in that proposition, but every cne who had considered the subject had also come to the conclusion that al though the lessee had no right in law or in equity, he bad a great moral right to the renewal. After a few words from Mr. J. Stuart, Mr. Alcock, and Mr. Newilegate, The committee divided— For reporting progress Against Col. SHITHORP declaimed against the " surreptitious manner in which it was attempted to smuggle the bill through the house." He had to ask the Solicitor-General whether th^ bill would he reprinted, in order that it might be considered properly belore passing the house ? Sir H. WILLOUGHBY begged to move, as an amend ment on the clause, that atter the word " land " the words " farm lands and tithe rent charges" should be in serted. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL and other hon. members I objected to the amendment as unnecessary, but held that if at all necessary the words should be proposed on the inter pretation clause. After a short conversation, the amendment was with- 1 drawn.—On the same clause, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he had no objection to introduce the word lessees," so that the clause would ' rut, "Such bargains as such corporation or lessees shall think fit," &c. This would leave the matter to be settled pretty much by tho panic. interested. Mr. C.' RD r. marked that the Solicitor-General lied said that tit.. bill did not alter the legal or equitable position of the parties. If so, he dial not think there could be any objection to add a proviso to the following effect : " Provided always that nothing herein contained shall be deemed or taken to vary, or affect the legal or equitable rights of such ecclesiastical corporations or lessees respec tively." The SOLICITOR-GENERAL admitted that lie hail stated that the bill did not alter the legal or equitable position of the parties ; but it would be observed that the proviso now proposed would apply to the whole clause, and thus b 5 extremely objectionable. After some discussion the gallery was cleared for a divi sion, but no division took place. The proviso was negatived, and the clause agreed to. On clause '2 being proposed, Mr. ANSTEY moved that a proviso be added to the clause to prevent the unfair apportionment of rent. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the proviso upon , the ground that it was useless. The proviso was postponed for the present, and the clause was agreed to. Clause 3 was also agreed tn. Clause I was amended by Mr. Rut, with the sanction of the SOLICITOti-GESEILAL. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought that the mode in which the bill had been brought down to the house had not been properly considered, when it was said that the measure was passed in haste by the government, and that due time had not been given for consideration. The subject had en gaged the attention of parliament fora long series of years —it had been considered by committees of both houses, and by a commission appointed specially for the purpose of inquiry. It had been admitted by every committee, in cluding the last th a t h a d sat in another place, and been ad mitted in every form, and laid down, indeed, as au axiom and principle by the commissioners, that they were to pay due re gard to the lint and reasonable claims of the lessees. The com mittee had laid it down that that was a question that ought not to be lett wholly untouched by the legislature, and that committee representing the interests of all parties, bolt of the holders of the property, and of those who had let it to them, and having also to deal with the still greater interest of the public at large in respect to the spiritual condition of the people, had come to the unanimous decision of re commending that the bill should be passed this session. The bill had been introduced on the recommendation of the whole of that committee, and not by her Majesty's go vernment. The hon. member fur Liverpool had said that by the introduction of the proposed words the whole principle of the bill would be changed. Ho (the Solicitor General) had no notion that any such intention had been entertained as that of bringing forward the bill to place the lessees in a more unfavourable position. If the hon. member was right, the bill was unjust, but he found in the report of the committee that the reason for recommending the bill to be Mr. AGLIONIII objected strongly to the powers con ferred on the church by this bill to possess itself of addi tional land by purchase. Mr. ANSTEY observe,: that the phraseology of the clause made it imperative, or rather mandatory on the church to purchase land. Sir B. BALL moved that the words referring to the purchase of land be struck out of the clause. Atter a few words front Mr. IlysLcv, Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but the amendment of Sir B. Itall was negatived without division. The committee then divided on an amendment moved by Mr. Anstey, when the numbers were— For the clause 5B Against it -48 The close was then ordered to stand part of the bill. Clause 5 having, after some discussion, been agreed to, Oil the next CIOUSC, Mr. HENLEY moved the omission of certain words, rendering necessary the approval of the church estates commissioners to any dealing with the property. Ills object was to prevent the continuance of the system of fines. The SOLICITOWGENERAL undertook to modify the Clause so us to meet the hon. gentleman's views. 111 answer to Mr. WAWN, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he would tam) care that there should lie no further leases on the tine system. The chitin, was then agreed to. On clause 8, The SOLICITOR•GENERAL proposed certain verbal amendments. ColonelSllyflloßP complained of this mode of pro ceeding as unfair to the house. Sir IS. HALL said the clause provided that the general rules should be laid before parliament %Rhin 14 days, or within 11 days from the opening of the next session. Ile would suggest that the rules should be laid before the Secretary of State when parliament was nut sitting. Ile did not believe that the alteration propoQed in the douse had arisen out of an error in the printing. Ile contended thnt the object of the clause, as it originally stood, had been to undo all the past legislation, and transfer all the power to the dilates committee, a body which had dune all the mischief. Mr. OOULBURN—You don't know of whom that body con4stn. sir H. HALL knew that the right hon. gentleman him self was one. (Hear.) Ile did not believe that the alleged errors were errors of the printer. Mr. GOULIIVIEN said there was only one bishop on that committee, iu compliance with the act under which it was constituted. Mr. AGLIONBY thought the Church Estates Commis sioner; ought to be entirely unfettered by rules previously laid down, and would, therefore, expunge the clause alto gether. Mr.E.DENISON also thought the clause unnecessary, and if so, it might be inconvenit nt. Alter a few words from Mr. RICE, Mr. Got:Locum, and Mr. NEWDEG ATE,. . . . Mr. CAY LEY thought the clause ought to be struck out. Mr. ANSTEY said the clause was only permissive, enabling the commissioners to make general rules if they thought lit to do so. Ile considered that the clause, as it originally stood, was extremely dangerous. Was this a slip of the printer, or had not the alteration been forced on the Solicitor-Gimeral by the opposition on both sides of the house ? How could the words, " Ecclesiastical. Coma 'oilers for England," have got in instead of " Church Estates Cotamissioners ?" No doubt these words lord been in the original draft of the bill. They had been in the bill as it passed through the House of Lords. (Rear, hear.) The alteration would be most unacceptable to those who were promoting this bill; and he had no doubt the clause would ultimately he withdrawn. ....... The SOLICITOItthINERAL said he did not take the blame of the error on himself, nor did he attribute it to the printer of the House of Commons, as the bill had come down to them from the other house in its present form. It was clear, from the preceding clauses, that the Church Estates Commis-ioncrs were meant. The lion. gentleman should not he disappointed in his prophecy. He had no ob jection to accept the amendment of the hon. member for Portsmouth with some verbal amendments. Ile thought it would give a better security than the clause. Sir 11. HALL said that, had he known that it was the intention of the government to withdraw the clause, he would have taken every means in his power to prevent the house going into committee on the bill. The house had been d , toyed into passing the bill so far. This clause pro vided the only security to the lessee. lie thought it would be better to report progress. After a few words from Mr. E. DENISON and Mr. The hou.e divided, as it was understood. on an amend ment mowed by Sir H. HALL, that the words "church es tates commissioners" be substituted for " ecclesiastical cona- usissioners." For the amendment Against it 5l-43 On the interpretation Claus_, Mr. A. SMITII suggested that the words "ecclesiastical commissioners " should he used. The SOLICITOIt-tiIiNERAL thought the addition unnecessary. After short discussion, the committee divided— For the amendment Against it 33-19 On the gallery being reopened, The SOLICITOR-OF:NY:HAL proposed the addition of the words, " Dean and Canon, of Christ Church, Oxford." The clause was agreed to with this amendment. The interpretation clause was nest agreed to. Mr. 11. CARTER moved a new clause, rendering it ne cessary fur the commissioners to make an annual report to the Secretary of State, and that such report should be laid before parliament on or before the lot March. Agreed to, ...... Mr. CAYLEY moved a clause, limiting the duration of the act to three years from tho end of the present session. Agreed to. Sir B. lIALL moved a clause, rendering it unlawful fur an ecclesiastical corporation, sole or aggregate, to renew any lease without the consent of the estate commissioners. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to it, and it was negatived without a division. The preamble was agreed to, and the house resumed. KOSSUTH AND HIS COMPANIONS. Lord D. STUART moved for an address for the list of any addresses to her Majesty, or memorials to the Foreign Office, or petitions to the house of Commons, on the sub ject of the liberation of Louis Kossuth and his compatriots, with the names of the places from which addressed, and the numbers of signatures attached to each of them, stating also when signed by a chairman on behalf of a meeting. The noble lord said that Turkey had no right to keep these men in confinement. No person acquainted with the affairs of the East would believe that that imprisonment I would not have been put an end to before if the noble lord had used his influence. Ile did not say that was his opinion, but such an opinion had got abroad. lie hoped, however, that the influence of his noble friend would prevail over that of Austria. Viscount PALMERSTON had no intention of offering any opposition to the motion of his noble friend. He should not have thought the Turkish government would have considered it right or necessary to detain these persons so long, when at the same time assurances of the most complete protection of them had been received front officers high iu the Turkish service. The house well knew the circumstances which had led the Turkish government to swerve from the engagement that had been entered into by their own officers, and the efforts that had been made by the French and English go vernments to support Turkey in an independent course. Vie erpreoll. TO COUIESPONDENTS. t geom.! nntion •f " the Express," containing lie same eveeirg's •' Gazette," is pub:is-hell every Tu....ilny as 1 t•7itLy nigh., in brae . tdverie.eini As Intended for "Ti" . VAprvoi," London peming tun he at the °Mee, 10, Cuuecrie.eatect, by Too o'enth on the day of publication. lIIGLI WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Teen Ose —Morning. :h. Atz,rosson. se. •Am. Twooneow—Morairsi, eh. LOYDOX, TUE • SILII; .ICWI'BT 3. Timm: is more of vitality iu the monarchical tra ditions of the French republic than of the English monarchy. In England our monarch and peers sur vive, but they have adopted much of the tone and deportment of the boorycoWe. In France, the mo narch and his peers have been swept away, but the n'yeoisie delights to dress itself especially on holi days, in their cast clothes. In England, the festivi ties arising out of the Industrial Exhibit' have had a sober, citizen exterior. Our continental visitors were particularly struck with the non-appearance of soldiers at the inauguration of the Crystal Palace ; and the hospitality extended to the foreign commis sioners has been mainly expetiented by them in ho tels and places of civic resort. At the return ban quet given at Paris a royal garden was resuscitated in the rime de Lois: the guests were de lighted with a private representation of a comedy of Mot.mts:; and the garde inibiicirde shown forth in all the glory of brass helmets. The difference is greater in appearance than in reality. The laws, the courts of justice, the defen sive establishments, the administrative machinery both of Prance and England, have been inherited from monarchies. But in both countries the citizen or coonomer class have come into possession of politi oil power, and have reconstructed new social edifices out of these fragments of older constitutions. The political fabrics of France and England mar not un aptly be compared to those less tirmal moilern plea sure gardens laid out on the sites of the stiff gar dens of our ancestors, which owe no small part of their peculiar charm to the skilful incorporation of remnants of old hedgerows, mounds, and groves. Accident has had its share in determining, what was to be retained and what cast away; and twine the diversity in constitutions framed out of pretty uearly the same materials. Too much importance cannot be attributed to the interchange of hospitality which has this yrar taken place between the French and English nations. hi these two alone of the great European slates the popular power has finally triumphed. Monarchy and aristoeraey, by a wise and timely comprotuise in England, have been admitted to the rights of citi zenship ; monarchy and aristocracy, by insaac cling ing to outworn pretensions, have been swot from France. Our English free institutions have been consolidated, and work with comparative regularity and noiselessness ; those of France are still in the period of ebullition. But, both in France and Eng land, the people have triumphed. Iletimfortb, if there is to be legal and ordeily govern ment in these two countries, it must be exercised by administrators deriving their autho rity from the people, for the !amide. A solemn duty devolves on the enumeipated natium, to show to those parts of Europe vet in bondage bow tranquil, how prosperous, how 'happy, fire institutions can make a people; and by their peaceful yet fearless attitude to deter the spoiler from laying his hands upon the weaker constitutional stalks around them. So long as amictrale relations and a rrfret under ' standing exist between Fence mid England, the despots of the north-east may cast angry and repin ing glances at the progress of constitutional govern ment in other counties, but will not dare to attempt forcibly to arrest it. Lora GIUNVILLE, in his graceful and genial oration at the Hotel de Vile, skilfully exposed to view the strong yet delicate hands by which the year of the Industrial Exhibition has bcr tt draw. ing Frenchmen and Englishmen into a mere chi, unity. That was the theme of the hour, and deli : cacy forbade the noble lord to diverge into topics that might accidentally touch one jarring note. But if Frenclunen will dispassionately reflect, they cannot I but admit that the sympathies of the English nation have been unequivocally enlisted in behalf of the liberties of France, during the whole of the proba• tionary period which has elapsed since Pen Few Englishmen, indeed, have it in their power taste m En o g re lish th m an on, th l e ik m e mere m e o x r t tu miza t l i s re o u ti a French sexy exaffrilursai objects through the medium of their own hangs and prepossessions; Englisluncn may, ther6ire, as the apprehension of Frenchmen, often have a judged I erroneously of parties and movements in trance; but English sympathy with and for Francs: has not been the less sincere and ardent because it, exprey . sion has at times been qualified by the perssual peculiarities of JOHN BULL. With many characteristic differences, the French and English people have much iu common. Warlike displays like those with which the guests of the municipality of Paris are being entertained, would attract crowds in England too, but would be re - Iguided with a fainter interest than in France: But in their colossal industrial efforts, their scientific pursuits, their voyages of commerce mid discovery , their literary habits, English and Frenchmen have many themes iu common; and the more intimately they associate, and interchange ideas on these topics, the more they will CUM to regard each other as friends. And cultivation of national amity mime was postponed, the effeet might be to endanger the Italian, uud other refugees from L bill• re,sion of the Italian luau Sal After a few words from WESTIIEAD, Laudon? THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 5, 1851. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. It was notorious that the conduct of Turkoy had fii,-7% petiod been incon-istent with that holm...whoa ri a o,, a 7 The government had not c.r.icell to use all the on," which friendly influence could aftard to he 110... the Sultan to put an end to the confirwment of thie..• had received the most foreiiile assurances that on the bt of Septemher, which by the difference of our .ty!.• we cdltd the bith of September, those persons would be sot at liberty, and would quit the 'Turkish territory, and he had no reason to believe or suppose that that sentence would not be fulfilled. . 'I he motion WWI ogreed to, and the house cutourn t d ~t a quarter to one o'clock. ratu.—Mr. Brockman 'mired with Mr. B. Richards from Weshiesday, the (Ali of this mouth, fur the remainder of the session. THE WATER CONEWITIEE.—IrCgterttIy, flag cent mince re-assembled fur the last time. Paso nt : Sir Janos I Graham in the chair; Mr. Beckett, Sir J. Ilannier, Mr. Ellis, and Mr. Sanders. The room WWI cleared, and the committee deliberated for about half an 11 , 111 r, awl , m admission of the public, the right hon. chairman said ; t h e committee have come to the following resolution --that the preamble of the Metropolis Water Bill was read, and the committee came to the unanimous decision that the pre , amble of the bill was not proved. With regard to t i e other bills before us, the committee has not had noes to bear any evidence with respect to them, and ennocquesdiy they 1...;ve come to no decision with respect to their preambles. You know very well that at the present period of the sestina they must die a natural death, but the house has come to a 'hi sion by which the parties may, should they think lit, come to parliament next session and revive these bills, by renewing their notices in the usual way. The committee have comae to the further resolution, that the chairman be directed to report the minutes of evidence to the house. the committee then broke up 'shortly after one We.swk. The proceedings were marked by the total absence of the usual twenty learned counsel, who throughout the thirty-one days' sitting of the committee and the examination of about fifty witnesses were regular in attendance. This was understood to be accounted for by a previous intimation from the corn. mince that counsel would nut be required. A general feel ing of satisfaction appeared to prevail amongst the parties interested at the extreme attention the members of the com mittee generally throughout the protracted inquiry had paid to its progress, and more particularly with the matter!) nay in which the hon. chairman had discharged the duties of that office. It is calculated that the inqutry cannot have coot the water companies less than 30,0151/., awl the govern ment about half that amount. TUE EARL OF WIRCIIILSEA•S PROTEST AGAINST TILE SECOND READING 01." FILE ECCLESIAS- TICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION DILL. Because this bill, which i. confined to a paltry penalty of pounds, Fhilliu a, and petits., in utterly unworthy of tho magnitude of the wrong which it profes - sas to redress. "2. Because the insult which has been offered to our sovereign and to the religious feeling of this great pmtestant people callesl for the immediate withdrawal of the iusehnt papal bull which conveyed the outrage, and for the banish ment from our ►hurts of all who had assumed titles and dignitices in this country conferred by a foreign power. 3. Because a 1411 which embraces neitherof these two points is utterly useless, and will bitterly disappoint and justly exasperate the great protestant reeling of this coun try, which has shown itself so strongly- through the length and breadth of the land, in a manner whirl' entitled it to a far greater consideration than that whidt it has net with at the hand of the legislature. "WINCIIILSEA and NOTTINGHAM."