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.; ... accident the oath against bribery were to be administered to I him. Hs agreed with his French correspondent, that it set only tainted the purity of our legislature, but irreparably injured the morality et the English cha racter, that this offence should be committed whclesale. What he would propose was this—thatch* maximum amount of expenses should be fixed, suppoe.ng at 8001. or I.oool.—(al though the half of that ought to suffice)—and that proof of more than that sum having been expended by a candidate. about' be deemed conclusive evidence of bribery. Let them adopt that plan, and they would at once annihilate the prac tice. He had no doubt, if they weed the resolutions he was about to move, that measures would be taken in the next session for carrying them into effect—one of which he wished to be a measure scar continuing the power, during the parlia ment, of investigating any question affecting the validity of a member's return. Such a power could only prove vexs- Maus and annoying to those who were conscious of having been ratty. He felt it the more incumbent on him to draw their lordships' attention to the question, from the circum stance of olrervieg by the addresses of candidates already in the field, that men were offering themselves to constituencies to which they were wholly unknown, and to whom they would ouly become known through the medium of an attorney. This he regarded as a positive indication et bribery. The noble lord concluded by moving : That I. the bounden duty of both houses of parliament to adopt, et the beginning of the next seam, whatever Me.. may be moat effectual for detecting and punishing sets of bribery and entrap:tin whim may be cconmitt - il dining the ensuing re am, at the election of members or parliament, and peers of tmotland and es tretaed ; suit offences being altogether subversive of the freedom of electioo, destructive of the independence and purity of the legislature, leading to the mom: guilt of perjury in all cams, End the actual commission, in many, of that most foul and heinous mime. Toot it is *foil the duty of both houses of parliament to in quire of and visit with punishment all sets which may be done during the recess for interfering with the free choice of members of parliament, of peers of Scotland and Ireland, by intimidation or otherwise. That it is the duty o • both &Qv. of parliament to inquire of el: corrupt bargains, whether by compromise or otherwise, made dung - , the recess, for the purpose of preventing and frustrating the inquiry into such corrtption or intimidation at elections of members of car lament, OT of Scotch or Irish risers. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, although fully renew ring with his noble friend that the subject was most impor tant, and that the moment was a fitting one for pointing oat the gravity of the offence of bribery and corruption at elec. tains, and the unbounded mischief that never failed to flow from it, did not think the resolutions themselves expe dient, because they only recorded an opinion which it was notorious their lordships already entertained. Hear, hear.) If he were to agree to them it would only be with the amendment that not only at the beginning of the next session of parliament, but at all timos, it was the bounden duty of their lordships' Souse to concur in measures for the suppres sion of bribery and corruption at elections. But on no oCc1• siou upon which bills for thatiurpoee had been brought before them had their lordships omitted to manifest, in the most dis tinct terms, that such was the sentiment they entertained on the subject. In 1842, their lordship! , passed a bill—which was seat no from the Commora—to enable election committees to re-assemble when broken up by the withdrawal of the charge against the sitting member. 'that proved more clearly than could the abstract resolutions of his noble and learned friend, what their lordship.' feelings on the subject were. His noble and learned friend's reasons were good, and his facts were true, hut he (Lord Lansdowce) objected to any indica tion of an intention to proceed furtter without letting their lordships know what that proceeding was to be. His noble and learned friend bad suggested certain provisions, but no one knew better than he that they were liable to objection, and that they could not be adopted without much consideration. Year after year cot attires had been proposed for putting an end to the abominable practice of bribery. Some had been adopted, and some rejected, but all afforded proof that there was no question upon which it was more difficult to legislate with effect. He therefore objected to their recording an implied intention of doing what they were not prepared to say they had the means of doing. 'the only instance he recoilected of their adopting an abduct principle of the kind, wu in a resolution which he had the distinguished honour of bringing up from the other house of parliament, declaring the expediency of taking measures in the next session of poriiement for the abolition of slavery ; but as their lordships' sentimeuts on the subject of the resolutions were already well known, and as he doubted not they would willingly adopt any measure that might be sent up to them next session for punishing such delinquencies and crime, in connexion with bribery and corruption at elections, as the existing law was not able to reach, he should move In^ previous question. Lord BROUGHAM, after what had fallen from the noble marquis, would withdraw his resolutions, hoping, however, that whatever measure might be proposed next session would require from each member before being sworn a solemn declaration that no money had been expended, pro mises made, or gift bestowed, by him or by any agent or friend of his on his behalf, to his knowledge, in order to influence the vote of cry person ct his election. A provision to this effect had been struck out of a former measure. Resolutions withdraws. IRISH EMIGRATION TO CANADA. The Earl of ENNISKILLEN begged to call the attention of the noble earl the Secretary for the Colonies to a letter written by the catholic archbishop of Quebec, which ap peared in an Irish newspaper he had that day received,. de tailing the deplorable condition of those who kad been in duced this year to emigrate from Ireland to Canada. Fruits the statement made by tho noble earl on a former occasion he had been led to hope that after the necerssry ieconve nienees and sufferings of the voyage were past, the emigrants would be taken care of by the government, who would make the necessary arrangements to rant ire them on their arrival in the colony and assist them in aniving at their destination. From the statement made in the letter of the arch bishop, it would appear that the authorities in Canada bad been taken by surprise, arid that thousands of enti grantakid arrived for whose reception no sufficient provision bad been made, and that the vessels, filled withsick and dying emigrants, arrived every week, and were required to perform 30 miles below Quebec. where al l e a :e an e t c ln re e , a a t t a ;L date nd e of the letter, not less than 2.000 patients. The provincial government had manifested great seal and anxiety to render every assistance in their power to these unfortunate persons, but they had been unable to pro vide for so large an influx. The importance of making due provision for emigrants on their arrival in the colonies, and of affording every encouragement to emigration, was a mat ter of even greater importance to Eteland than to Ireland. The average rate of wages of the alie.bodied labourer in England was 25/. a year, while in Ireland it was only Se And, remelt:do ring that the potato crop, upon which hitherto the Irish peasant had in a great measure depended, had failed, it was- surely a matter essential to the iuterests of this country that every mans sho-ald bo taken to prevent a en:netts competition between the labour of the two countries. He wished to ask the noble earl whether he had heard of the circumstances referred to in the letter, and if so, whether any steps had been taken to remedy the evil? Reel GREY replied that it was too true that the stBlrern went had received accounts of the extreme safferings endured by Irish emigrants on their arrival in Canada, which emirate unfortunately he believed to be correct. These emigrants bad gene out in ships as well provided as emigrant ships usually were, but the sudden change of diet from that to which they had been reduced had produced fever and disease, and the consequence was that on their arrival in the St. Lawrence, it was found neces sary to place them under quarantine. Lord Elgin. who had been previously warned by him (Earl Grey) lost not a moment in providing accommodation for these unfortunate person+, by erecting tents and sheds for their reception on the island, at the quarantine station, and a large number of medical officers were engaged to at tend upon them, and everything that humanity and skill could suggest was done to relieve them. Government had this year increased the vote for assisting emigrants on their arrival in Canada to 10,0001.; and Lord Elgin had been in structed to draw bey red that for whatever amount might be necessary, the government feeling confident that parliament would vote it. (Hear, hear.) What had taken place Ceta• firmed his view that it would have been most unwire to endeavour to relieve the eufferings of Ireland by giving any extraordinary stimulus to emigration this year. and that emigration had, without such meeelus, polgremed to the extent of the capabilities of the colonies to re ceive. He hoped the effect of the letter which had been read would not be to check emigration. The sufferings referred to were consequent upon the evils which existed in Ireland, and the sudden change to a more generous diet than that to which the emigrants hat been reduced was the cause of the fearer breaking out. Ho muted the noble earl that the attention of the government and the colonial authorities was directed to this matter, and that no means would be left untried to mitigate these calamities. (Hear, hear. The house adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, JULY 12. The SpRAKER took the ebair at 3 o'clock. PRIVATE. BUSISEESS. SECOND READINGS.--Gilleepie's lrate; Northam Bridge Ocus pany's Palate; Bills. REPORTS.—Edinburgh, Lrith. and Greaten Railway (Unica Canal sad Caledonian Rahway Junction); Southampton and Dorolins. ter Railway (Blandford Branch); Taw Vale Railwayand Dock; Bills. D REPORT CONSIDERED). —SaIistwry end Yeovil Railway Bill. THIRD READINGS.—Howes's rAtate; Brooks's Divorce; Dollar lostituSon (34Ine's or kl.Nabb's) Estee; Goddard's Estate; Hug gers's CoTege Incorporwion; Rooke's Esatie ; Twists!' Market Com pany Estate; Bills. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS.—By Sir J. T. Umaare, from the Bishop and Dean of Grreferd, against such portion of the Mimehmter Bishopric Bill as went to decrease .be revenue of the Deanery of Hereford.—Mr. J. Crasser, from a place in Roscommon, complaining of the state of the. in meat electoral divisions in that county.—Mr. T. Detrece us from Robert Brien, a general poet ktter-carrier, complaining of haring beers persecuted ever since he had given endows on the Inquiry seta the caw of Mr. Kelly, and stating that he bed bees dramissel on the 3rd of July.—Mr. Hula, from Mr sh:protrams ct Gateshead, coo p/sinter of heavvy port dues unoosed he Mc corperation. SECOND REM/LlT:S.—Ominous inelegant (No. 3); Militia Pay; Trusters Relief; NewEealand (No. 2); Bills IMMMlTTEEB.—Destitute Peones Ireland (No. 3); Public Works mat Drainage (Ireland) ; Loodon-britipe Approaches Fund; Canal (0111/111ita ; Bankruptcy and laselvene 'No. 3); Bills. ItEPOßTS.—Constahulary Force fireand), Res.; Recovery of Pubic Monies (Ireland); Copyright Csecinim; Insolvent Debtors ; Poor RemaratAct Amendment (No. 2) ; 1,..15. THIRD READINGS.—MusseI Faber:ea (Scotland); Post.oflice ; Navigation (Na 2) ; Herring Fishery ARGYLE CANAL Mr. HUME asked whether it was the intention of tl.e government to proceed with the vote of money for the pur poses of this canal ? Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not. HERRING FISHERY (SCOTLAND) BILL. Sir G. CLERK said that this bill had gone to the tHird and in none of the various stages had he heard a of explanation as to the objects of the bill. Ile scarcely known to any member of the house. ' • • :. 0 said the bill had been put off, at least a , fbr the convenience of the hon. baronet. daring SS. weeks; and the fullest explanation of it had bleilliPta: 'The simple object of the hill was to transfer the L . weasels i i agrcised from the queen and the treasury, Or linen in* the queen in council. Great difference had esisted between the trustees of these fisheries and the governors of the school of degn, to which the funds were applicable ; and the proposed trander would put an end to these differences. __ THAMES CONSERVANCY BILL. Mr. HUME said he had heard a report that this bill wu not to be proceeded with. He wished to know if it was correct. Lord J. RUSSELL said it wu intended to proceed with the bill. MANCHESTER BISHOPRIC BILL. Mr. J. COLLETT—Dom the noble lord intend to pro- ceed with the Manchester Bishopric Bill ? Lord I. RUSSELL —Yes ; it is our intention to proceed with that bill to-morrow (this day), at 12 o'clock. Mr. J. COLLETT said he should take a division on every stage of the bill. Lord J. RUSSELL said it was intended only to take the second readine to-morrow (this day), and not every stage. Lord J. RUSSELL then moved that the order of the day for the second reading of this bill should be discharged, and that the second reading should be fixed for Tuesday (this day), at 12 o'clock. Mr. J. COLLETT said it was a most important measure, and he should move that it be not taken till live o'clock. This amendment 11113 not premed, and the original motion was agreed to. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Dad J. MANNERS wished to ask whether the new clause introduced into the trust-deeds of the national schools bad the suction of the government, and whether any applica tions for aid towards the building of schools would be re fused unless the persons acting as trustees agreed to these terms of the trust ? He also wished to know if the govern ment had announced their intention to give no preferment to any clergyman belonging to the established church of Ireland, unless he gave in his adhesion to the so-called sys tem of national education ? He hoped there was no founda tion whatever for that report. Lard J. RUSSELL stated, with regard to the first ques. tion, that the trust-deeds had been prepared in the same way as they hid been for some years past, and that there had been no dispute or contention on this subject. Before the present government came into office, in May of last year, a new proposition, and new conditions, had been made in the trust-deeds. In order to prevent these new conditions being carried into effect, which the committee of privy council thought 1 injurious, they had suggested four different forms of clauses which might be adopted by the trustees. This proposal had I been laid before the Archbishop of Canterbury, who agreed I in the object of the clauses, but wished that the local com mittees should be at liberty to adopt them or not as they pleased. They also wished that, in the normal schools, the clergymen should have the superintendence of the moral, as well as the religious, education. The last proposal bad been taken into consideration by the committee of council, wko agreed to adopt it. But with regard to the clauses proposed as part of the trust.deeds, they had submitted those clauses to his grace, as being necessary, in order to the admission of some laymen to the trusteeship of the schools. As the com mittee of the national society bad expressed no objection to them, he trusted they would be generally adopted; indeed, they had been adopted in almost all tke schools which had since received the aid of government. With respect to the second question, whether preferment in Ireland was only to be given to clergymen who adopted the scheme of the national schools, there was no foundation for the rumour. (Hear. hear.) Of course, every government had its awn reasons for preferring a certain clergymen ; but any exclu sion on the ground of non-adherence to the system of national schools was no part of their scheme. (Rear, hear.) SILK WEAVING. Mr. B. OSBORNIIZhed to ask the hon. the Vice-Pre sident of the Board of Trade whether any bill for the reps ' lotion of those employed in the trade of silk weaving would be brought in this session ? Mr. 'I.. M. GIBSON said it was not intended to introduce any new measure of that description in the present session. THE WELLINGTON STATUE. Lord J. RUSSELL said—ln moving the order of the day for the committee of supply I wish to fulfil the promise which I made to the noble lord opposite (Lord G. Bentinck), to state to-day the intentions of the government with respect to the Wellington military memorial. (Hear.) Since the time when I last addressed the house I have had cemmunieation with her majesty on the subject, and with the illustrious duke. in honour of whom the memorial had been erected. The substance of the noble duke's reply, in answer to my inquiries, was, that be considered it not a question for him self, but one to be considered entirely on public grounds— (hear, hear)—that many persons had considered, and that the committee who proposed to erect the statue had considered, that its removal from the arch would be regarded as a mark of disapprobation on the part of the crown towards the individual for whose honour it was intended—(hear, hear)—that, for his own part, he had had too many proofs of the regard and approbation of the crown to think that such was the intention ; but that such, in his opinion, would have been the general feeling. He therefore deprecated. upon public grounds, the removal of the statue. (Hear.) This statement had been communicated to her Maiesty ; and I have the Queen's commands to say, that the government do not intend to take any further steps towards :ha removal of the statue. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") GREENOCK ELECTION. Lerd J. RUSSELL said there was a notice on the paper, by the hoe. member for Greenock (Mr. Boise) " On read ing the order of the day for the committee of supply, to call the attention of the hou:e to the recant interference of the government, exercised chiefly through the medium of the Secretary at War ' with the constitutional privileges of the parliamentary electors of Greenock." As this could only lead to a long and irregular discussion, on the question of going into committee of supply, and as the government had clearly no intention tointerfere with the election at Greenock, or to take part either for one candidate or the other, he hoped the hon. member would not press his motion. Mr. BAINE said he certainly had no desire to stop the progress of the estimates; he would, therefore, withdraw his notice. Mr. F. hIAULE said he did not at all wish to interfere with the discretion of the hon. member for Greenock as to withdraw- Mg or proceeding with his motion, but be must say that he was perfectly ready to justify his acts, whenever or wherever any Ration might be made on the subject. TUFNELL said a noble friend of his, to whom allusion had been made (Lord Melgund), had complained of a charge being made against him of a breach of confidence, by publishing a private letter addressed by him (Mr. Tuf nell) to the noble lord. The noble lord had assured him that that letter was not marked private. It was addressed to him, for the purpose of being shown to those parties, who ever they might be, who had contradicted his assertion that he had not been dissuaded from coming forward at the elec tion by persons connected with the government. That was the nurpose for which the letter was intended. (Hear.) /HE NEWLY-DISCOVERED DISINFECTING FLUID. Mr. BERNAL asked if it was the intention of the heads of any department of government to take any steps for test- ' lag the efficacy of a fluid recently brought into notice in this country by a Frenchman, which was said to possess the ex traordinary and valuable property of disinfecting putrid ani mal and vegetable matter, and was also applicable to mei tare purposes ? gir G. GREY said, that on receiving information in re gard to this fluid, he had expressed a desire that its capabili ties should be examined ; and, with that view, he had caused information of its properties to be transmitted to the muni cipal authorities of several large towns, who might naturally be supposed to have the greatest interest in such a discovery. INCREASE OF EXPENDITURE ON THE MISCEL LANEOUS ITEMS. Oa the question that the Speaker do leave the chair, to go into Committee of Supply, Mr. V. SMITH calla attention to the arrangement of the miscellaneous estimates, which he was anxious should have been submitted to a select committee. Ile wished to know whether any alteration would be made in the next session. In the present session, there had been an increase in all these estimates; and, with the exception of last session, they had gone on increasing for several years. On public works and buildings there was an increase in 1817,as compared with 1638, of 318,0001. This might perhaps be accounted for by the erection of the new houses of parliament. In the salaries of public officers, the increase in the same period was up wards of 240,0001. Doubtless many new officers had been appointed ; but the business of the country had so outgrown its institutions that an entire remodelling was necessary. 01 the item of law and justice the increase was 432,0361.; and a proportionate increase in education and other items ; making a total increase of 1,328,8861. since 1838. This was not so much the fault of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, as of the house itself, by assenting to this increase. The want of arrangement in the estimates was one great cause of this. He did not blame the government for not taking the matter earlier into consideration ; the house itself ought to take the initiative in the matter; but he hoped the government would endeavour to do something during the recess. Lord J. RUSSELL said that no select committee bad been appointed this year on the miscellaneous estimates, as it was thought they would not have time to examine them. Probably fro we understood the noble lord), that course would be adopted next session. Mr. W. WILLIAMS expressed a hope that this would be done next session. Mr. HUME hoped the Irish estimates would also be looked into. He ►ad great confidence of something being done in this way by the new parliament. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he had heard outside that the Thames Conservancy Bill had been given up. He wished to know whether that was the case, as several hon. members would discuss it clause by clause. Was it to be treated as a public or • private bill ? Mr. WARD said it had not been given up certainly; there bad been a doubt about it, but that doubt had been removed; and it was intended to proceed with it this evening after the committee of supply had been gene through. It had been made a public bill, and had been read a second time as such at a late hour. Sir R. H. INGLIS said he was informed it was still a private bill, and as such it ought to have been proceeded with at the time of private business. It contained 100 clauses, every ene of which might lead to discussion; and it was impossible to pass the bill is the present session. Ho hoped it would be thrown over, like other heavy goods, to lighten the ship. Mr. EWAIIT hoped that then should not be called on to go into a long discussion on the bill, and then have it aban doned at last. In answer to a question from Mr. Hume, The SPEAKER said it was a public bill, relating to • private locality. It had been necessary that it should go through a select committee as a private bill; now it had to be committed as • public bill, and was of course proceeded with at the time of public business. When it was passing through the stages ea a private bill, it was necessarily taken at the time of priests business. After a for words from Mr. W. W/LIALMS, the conversa tion dropped. BONDING OF BRITISH SPIRITS. Mr. MOTfitifr;o;ed to;aoelectC;tuntitiee "to in- THE EXPRESS, TUESDA' quire into the operation of the existing reeled/ass in ro. ferenee to the bonding of British spirits to the United Kingdom, and to the rectification of British spirits for exportation." This was • ease in which the English rectifier and the Scotch distiller were equally interested. He hoped the subject world have the consideration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer during the recess. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it would be utterly . useless to appoint a committee at this period of the semen; but the matter should certainly have his attention. The motion was not premed, and the house then went into COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The first item was 3,5151., expenses of the temporary ac commodation at the houses of parliament, which was agreed to, without remark. On the next item, 10,000!. for the expenses of Portpatrick harbour. _ Mr. ROSS opposed it, as a waste of money, contending that the harbour was perfectly useless. Seven or eight hours were saved by going from Glasgow to Belfast. Mr. HUDIE said, every one acquainted with the placo must be convinced that this was a waste of money. The right hon. baronet opposite (Sir 0. Clerk) when in office had pledged himself that only a certain amount should be asked for, but though that was expended, the vote was con tinued. Sir G. CLERK said this was correct, but he believed the harbour works had been more c,etly than was anticipated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this vote was principally required for payment of the debt; but some communication was absolutely necessary, and if a railway were taken to Portpatrick, this communication to Donaghadee, which was the shortest, might become the best. Hence the policy of keeping up a communication iu that direction. . . . . . . Mr. HUME said there ought at least to be an inquiry, as had been promised when the pledge was given by the late government. He should move that the grant be postponed till souse inquiry took place. Mr.ROSS advocated the postponement of the grant, and said that the harbour was an extremely bad and dangerous one. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it would be extremely unwise to give up what they had, with out knowing what was to he substituted for it. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that 170,0001. had been ex pended on this harbour, and everybody said that it would never be good for anything, for it had &rooky bottom. There was a harbour already made at Ardrossan ' and another party proposed to make one without a single shilling of expense to the public. This was nothing but a job for the benefit of a Whig pi-er. Mr. FERRAND called on the government either to admit or deny this. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was not aware of any whig peer being concerned in the matter. The committee then divided.—For the vote 118 Against it -114 SAO/. for drainage in Ireland. 600,0001. for the relief of distress in Ireland. Lord CLEMENTS wished to take this opportunity of alluding to an article in the Morning Chronicle. He had always looked upon the Chronicle as a respectable paper, and believed it was an organ of the goverament. (Great laughter from the treasury and ministerial beaches.) Well, he might be mistaken—(hear);—but at any rate he was sorry to see that paper trying to intimidate a member of the house. He had frequently said that the money advanced to Ireland could not be repaid, and he reiterated the statement on Saturday last. An hon. member had said that not only the property of Ireland should be sold to repay the money advanced, but he had said the gentry of Ireland ought also to be sold for a similar purpose. (Much laughter.) It might be matter of amusement to hon. members, as well as editors; but he would repeat that he thought the money had been badly administered, and could not be repaid. The house then resumed. and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow at 12 o'clsek. WAYS AND MEANS. On the motion for going into committee on way* and mean, Dr. NICHOLL inquired whether the Poor Removal Act extended to Wales? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it did. He was aware that a different opinion was entertained ; but inasmuch as it was provided that the word "England" in the act must be taken to include Wales and Berwick-upon-Tweed, it was his opinion that Wales was included in the provisions of the act. The house then went into committee of ways and means, and several votes haring been agreed to, the house resumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow at 12 o'clock. CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS. _ . The SPEAKER they informed the house that the Lords wished to have a conference with the Commons. Lord John Russell, Sir G. Grey, Sir R. Feel, Lord G. Bentinck, Sir J. Graham, the Attorney-General, the Soli citor. General, and other hon. members, accordingly left the house, to hold a conference with the Lords. Upon the return of the managers on the part of the Com mons, Lord J. RUSSELL announced that the managers on the part of the Lords had handed to them certain resolutions as to the conduct of the business between the two houses. The noble lord subsequently proposed that the resolution. should be referred to a select committee. The substance of the resolutions was that the Lords would receive several hills coming from the Rouse of Commons together, instead of receiving each bill separately as heretofore; and secondly. that they would in future allow birs to be brought up by 5 instead of 8 members. The motion was agreed to. THE COUNT DE TOJAL. Mr. MACKINNON wished to ask a question of the hon. member for Wickham (Mr. B. Osborne) with reference to his speech the other night. (Cries of " Order.") He was not aware that he was out of order in referring to the hon. member's speech ; but he had been requested to do so on behalf of a Portuguese nobleman. (Cheers.) Mr. B. OSBORNE could anticipate what the hon. gen tleman was going to say. He (Mr. B. Osborne) undentood that Mr. Oliveira felt hurt at some observatiom which he had made with reference to his relative, the Count de Tejal, the Portuguese Chancellor of the Exchequer. He felt it right now to state that he had been informed the count had, since he became possessed of the means, paid off his obliga tions iu a very honourable way, and that he was no lom;ir a defaulter. cHear, hear.) PEW ZEALAND (No. 2) BILL. Mr. HAWES, in reeving the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, said, that it consisted of two parts. The one consisted in an advance of public money to the New Zealand Company, and the other had reference to the control over the affairs of the company, which the government thought it right to retain in their hands in the event of par liament consenting to advance the money. It was proposed to advance the money on two grounds; the first was, be cause they were of opinion that by so doing they would give an encouragement to colonisation in New Zealand ; and the second, because his noble friend at the head of tho colonial department came to the conclusion, that inasmuch as the New Zealand Company had suffered in consequence of the long delay which occurred wills regard to the settlement of their claims, they were entitled to aid and support out of the make purse. Lord Stanley, in a despatch dated in 1845, and addressed to Governor Grey, admitted the necessity ofuphold- Ing the colonisation.operations of the New Zealand Company and the right hon. baronet likewise admitted the importance ofupholding them as a useful instrument of the government. It was admitted that the company could not carry on their opagatlens unless the government came to their aid. The company had expended 200,0001. of paid-up capital ; they had raised 277,0001. front the sale of land ; and altogether they expended 636,0001. It must be admitted that the country was greatly indebted to the company for their active and enterprising undertaking, and it was in fact to them that they owed the possession of the island, The colony was sow advancing in a prosperous condition, owing to the great ability and energy of the present governor, Captain Grey, to whom it was owing that the natives were now reconciled to British rule—that the paper debt bad been reduced—that trade had been restored—that the revenue had been increased, and that the island was rendered of great value to the crown. The government having exa mined the affairs of the company, and seeing that they had a fair and reasonable prospect of success before them, pro posed to advance a sum of 136,0001. to the company, to be paid by instalments during the next three years. The bill of last session, under which:the company were lent 126,0001., was a temporary measure, and passed to prevent their bank ruptcy. If the company succeeded in promoting colonisa tion and settlement on a large scale, it was perfectly clear that they would be able to pay the debt due to the government, and the interest on the capital ex pended. If, on the other hand, the company failed in their efforts to resume colonisation and to found settlements en a large state, if they were obliged to wind up their affairs at the end of the three years, provision was made for that contingency, and the 1,000,000 of acres now belonging to the company would come into the possession of the crown at the fixed value of ss. an acre. With regard to the con. trout, which it was thought desirable to maintain over the affairs of the company, it was proposed that the crown should appoint a commissioner who would hare • right to attend all meetings of the company to watch their proceedings. Ile was to have an absolute veto on any proceedings which he thought injurious to the security on which the advance was to be made—namely, the land of the company. This commissioner was to have a salary, which was to be paid out of the money to be received by the New Zealand Company. He did not anticipate arty oltection to this part of the bill. The hon. gentleman having reads despatch from Capt. Grey, describing the prosperous state of the colony, concluded by urging on the house the good policy of supporting sueb asso ciations as the New Zealand Company, in the prosperity of which the mother country could not fail to participate. Lord G. DENTINCK said he did net rise for the purpose of opposing the bill, as he was favourable to the principle of maintaining their colonies, but for the purpose of remarking that the government by proposing this bill had altogether oostravened all those principle., of political economy which they laid down in the early put of the sesien —naruely, that they ought not to advance money to private companies and destitute shareholders, and that they ought not to become money lenders at all. They also contravened the doctrine which they laid down at the same time, that the mate of the money market was such as to render it altogether inexpedient to lend any money to stimulate industry in any part of the Queen's dominions. Sir R. INGLIS said that there seemed to be a kind of condonation on both sides with regard to former disputes on the subject, which he was not going to renew. Ile thought there was greet truth lathe observations of hie noble friend as to the inconsistency of the government iu doing for the New Zealand Company what they refused to do for companies nearer home. But he rose for the purpose of bearing his testimony of praise and approbation to the conduct of the natives of New Zealand, and their distinguished chief, lieki. A forbearance had been manifested by the native chiefs which no age of chivalry could exceed. Not only were the British officers whom they had taken sent bock with their arm., but—what had never before occurred amongst any tribes called meage—the womcn EVENING, JULY 13, 1847. were sent boat without injury or insult. With respect to the late governor, Capt. Fitzroy, although he could not enjoy the confidence of the government which he send, he thought that both sides of the house would give him credit for the purest intentions—intentions which he had carried out with the most exemplary devotion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. PATTEN wished to know whether, in case the lands of the company came into the hands of the government in 1810, they would take upon themselves the liabilities of the company ; whether those liabilities were to be defined to money liabilities, or whether they included engagements with private parties respecting claims for land and other matters Mr. HAW ES said it was one of the merits of the bill that every question of liability was settled. Part of the money to be advanced was to pay off present liabilities, and no new ones could be incurred without the concurrence of the Secretary of State. After a few words from Mr. W. ParrltX and the Cuag- CELLOtt of the Exertraat , En, Mr. V. SMITH thought that the new prosperity of the colony of New Zealand was entirely owing to the present governor. He could not understand on what principle the proposed advance was to be made. If the question of compen sation were raised, the house was bound to consider the leas arising from breach of promise. Did the noble lord at the head of the colonies mean to say that the money was offered on the ground of compensation or on that of colonisation? (Hear, hear.) He believed that the real cause of failure as regarded the New Zealand Company was misgovernment ; and if a claim were admitted on that ground, how could it be denied in the case of other colonies of the British empire ? The system of coloniestion and of land sales had been re peatedly changed in New South Wales, and the utmost confusion had arisen from that cause ; it would therefore be a very serious matter to admit the principle of compensation on which this bill appeared to be founded. As to the appointment of a commissioner, though he had no objection to such a step, he considi red it improper to sehject the selection made to the approbation of the New Zealand Company. Such an arrangement was without precedent, and, as they advised, he should move the omission of the words on that subject. At present, he saw little pro bability of the establishment of aa amicable system in New Zealand. Bishop Selwyn appeared to be engaged in a hos tile correspondence with the governor, and other symptoms of discord were presenting themselves. From a sentence in Lord Grey's last despatch, he learned that great jealousy ex isted on the part of the settlers towards the New Zealand !Company. Believing that this colony was likely to become exceedingly popular and beneficial, he was anxious to see all possible causes of failure speedily and effectually removed. Mr. C. BULLER wished it to he understood that the governor was not about to incur absolutely all the liabili ties of the New Zealand Company. (Hear, hear.) If at the end of three years that company should not continue its operations, the government would then be one of the subsist ing parties to the arrangements which had been entered into. His right hon. friend who had just spoken seemed to think that the government should first have compensated the company, and then nut an end to it. The reasons which prevented the government from adopting that course were, lies, that the question of compensation was exceedingly difficult, the company being most able to compensate itself by success, and secondly, that it was by no means desirable, on public grounds, to pat an end to the company. (Hear, hear.) Nearly all success id instances of colonisation would bo found to have originated with private associations autho rised and encouraged by the government. If they were to realise in New Zealand any of those great results of colonisa tion of which the past history of this country afforded such splendid examples, it must be by affording the amplest field for voluntary exertions. (Hear, hear.) He was happy to find the house disposed to forget all past disputes an to consider the measure solely with reference to its probable influence on the interests of the colony. Mr. HUME thought that the bill deserved the attention of the whole country, being the natural result of the evils which had sprung out of the colonial office. The house was asked to grant 136,000/. in addition to the 100,0001. voted last year, as a penalty for the mismanagement of an ineuel pable colonial minister and governor. He felt sure that If the noble lord now at the head of the eblonial office acted on the principle whieb he had laid down, there would be no recurrence of past evils. What the colonies wanted, in order to ensure success, was self-government, accompanied by private enterprise instead of official meddling. Seeing that the New Zealand Company was bankrupt, and that every acre of land which should be sold was to be used to ware the repayment of the money advanced, he did not feel justified in refusing his assent to the bill. Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped that, having obtained the aid of public money, the New Zealand Company would pursue an honest and straightforward course, and that the advantages expected from the establishment of the colony would now be fully realised. Sir J. GRAHAM thought it desirable that this bill should be discussed on its merits alone. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Montrose, who did not always measure his ex pressions very carefully—(laughter)—had spoken of what he called the former mismanagement of the affairs of the colony. That expression bore more particularly on the con duct of a noble friend of hie (Lord Stanley) with whom he was long associated, though he must make the painful con fession that he was no longer associated with him to the same extent. He begged to state that all the members of the late government were as respon sible as his noble friend himself for the course pursued in relation to the New Zealand Company. On the subject of the bill itself he felt it right to say that he by no means dissented from the policy of the additional grant. The company was not to be left to the uncontrolled exercise of power, but, on the contrary, a complete and effi cient government control was to ha exercised. There was only one point on which he wished for some explanation, namely, as to the contingency of the company's failure. In such case a payment was to be made of §s. an acre upon a million acres. Was that to be a claim upon the govern ment? (An hon. Member : Yes.") Well, but was it to he a payment male at once, or only when he lands were sold ? (Hear, bear.) If the latter was to be the arrange tnent, his only objection to the bill was overruled, and he could conclude by wishing the arrangement every success. Lord INGESTRE bailed this bill as a great step in ad vance in the colonising arrangements of the country, and expressed his thanks to the government for the business-like way in which they had handled this difficult subject. Mr. E. DENISON had some doubts as to the financial arrangements of this bill under the contingency of failure of the draping. Mr. AGLIONBY said the proceeds of the sales of land in such a case would barely repay the capital of the com pany. He thought it right to say, with respect to that com pany, that their object throughout bad been not one of self interest, but solely the interest of this great colony He bad little doubt that before the end of three years the company would be able to show that their operations were of great benefit to the colonists of Great Britain. Mr. B. DISRAELI observed, that though gentlemen op posite might be satisfied with the arrangement that was made, it was, in his opinion, equally important that their constituents out of doors should equally understand the question. To whom was this grant to be male ? They had heard at the commencement of the session of grants proposed to " destitute shareholders." Was this, he should like to know, a grant to " destitute shareholders ?" (Hear, hear.) Who were these " destitute shareholders?" Here was &joint stock company in distress. They wasted upwards of 600,0001. They added the common story of the insolvent court—" that it was not from their own fault." (Laughter.) He re membered when this company circulated u report -1,068 pages thick—charging their loss not upon their own bad management, but on the infamous conduct of the Colonial-office. But, when the question was dimwitted, what was the result ? Much they talked of their misfortunes, but not ono charge against the Colonial Secretary was sub stantiated! They retired in ignorninous defeat! To-day they talked of " not desiring to Pay one word which could be construed into a personal reflection." This ill-used com pany ! This unfortunate company ! How were they ill used? What were their misfortune.? They appeared to have had pretty pickings out of the public purse already. They were now offered more of the public money at 31 per cent., whilst every one else was paying 5. Ile had heard much of insults to Ireland, but the greatest insult ever offered was this of the Chancellor of the Exchequer getting up and declaring that the security of Ireland was inferior to the security of New Zealand. It was only the other night that they were told by the hon. member for Dorchester that they had to consider whether they should govern an empire like pedants, or administer its ?volutes like statesmen. But whilst so apt with his musty axioms, the right lion. gentle man to-night was registering his own condemnation, and giving another proof of the value of protectionist principles. The bill was then read a second time. BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in moving that this bill be committed, stated that the objects of the measure were to abolish the Court of Review, and the jurisdiction dependent upon that court ; to transfer its powers to one of the Vice-' Chancellors; and to save the country between 16,000/. and 17,0001. per annum, by abolishing the circuits of the insolvent commissioners, and placing the business of these circuits in the hands of the judges of the local county courts. The hon. and learned gentleman denied that the bill gave any addi tional patronage to the Lord Chancellor. It, on the dn. teary, diminished his patronage. The measure did not at all alter the law of bankruptcy. The hon. and learned gentleman concluded by expressing a hope that the mea sure, as explained by him, would meet the concurrence of the house. Sir J. GRAHAM concurred in the eulogium passed on the latter part of the bill, and he was prepared to admit that he was very far from charging the Lord Chancellor with a desire to accumulate patronage. But with respect to the three first clauses of the bill, which went to undo all that had been recently done, and, above all, to restore and trans ter back to the great seal the affairs of the Court of Bank ruptcy, it was asserted that two ex-chancellors were in favour of the measure ; but it was a question which con cerned the creditors of the country more than the ex-chan cellors. There had been a commission appointed to inquire into and report on the subject of the Bankruptcy Court, and amongst the trading members of that commission were Mr. Horsley Palmer, Mr. Wynn Ellis, and the hon. member for Lambeth, the Under Secretary for the colonies. That hon. member's signature to the report of the commission recom mended that bankruptcy should be severed from the great seal, and also that the Court of Review should be kept up, the reason assigned for the latter recommendation being that it offered a stimulus to the Court of Bankruptcy, as the com missioners were promoted to judgeships in the Court of Re view. Upon the representation of that commission the exist ing law was framed, and it was now proposed by the bill before the house to reverse that law. But there was more than a mere change of name effected by the bill, notwith standing the hon. and learned geutleman had asserted that nothing else was done by it. The bill, moreover, discos. red a desire to retain old and useless offices, and the endeavour to bring bock bankruptcy under the great seal was a proof of this. Ile saw no necessity at all for proceeding with the measure at the present state of the session, and, though he was unwilling to interfere with t'ae government promedinv, 1 1 ....,,.. : frtiza' I 747 WITRAT AND WIREAT Fiora : 111.15 year ending June 5, 1843 • 1814 $9 1845 • 1816 1817 BARLIT AND lIAILIM S MZAL: Half-year ending June es 1841 1844 • 1845 • 1646 9$ • 1847 08T! AND OATIMAL• 164,711 303,118 1,139,272 1,238,238 ice,. 939:91 318,931 99 135 ituartenk 33,803 19,813+ 36,915 34,428 MIAS 7,168 1,38 369 13.11-yeer ending June 3, 1843 • 1844 0 1843 • 346 „ 1847 13-651 197,691 486,666 40,773 22,2716 23,992 17,903 9,991 1.;44.. Quertem' 130,416, 703,4491 1,104,844 68,603, 1 1,067,9301 349,681 367,76 E 96,n2( $34,29: 31,930 . 1,350 130,395 179,798 478,1:64, SANDWICH ISLANDS.—We have received files of the Polynesian to the 30th of January last (inclusive). It appears from them, that, during the year 1846, no leas than 53 merchantmen, 17 men-of-war, and 167 whalers, arrived at Honolulu, and 8 merchantmen, I man-of-war, and 429 whalers at Lalmina ;in all, 67.5 vessels. This is inde pendent of arrivals at Hilo, Hanalei, and other minor ports. The gross value of imports it Honolulu in 1846 was 598,392 dollars, against 546,941 in 184-5, and 350,357 in 1844. The gross value of exports in 1846 was 763,950 dollies, of which orly 143,425 were re-exportcd foreign goods. ha eraold not consent to the clauses which be had pointed out, which would have the effect of martin g an excellent bill. If, however, he stood alone, he should divide the com mitttee upon retaining the clauses. (Hear, hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the clauses would not have the effect supposed by the right hon. baronet, which he would seow when they were discuued in committee. Mr. STUART said that the importance of the measure was so great ea to render it impossible to give it that degree of attention at the present penod of the session which it de served and indeed demanded. He had heard the right hon. baronet's speech with pleasure. He implored the govern ment not to go on with so serious a bill when they were within ten days of the close of the maiden. He was opposed to the abolition of the Court of Review which was calculated to be very useful. He approved of the establishment of local courts, which, he thought, would prove highly beneficial, but, as yet, they had little experience of their working, and, therefore, he thought to transfer the tensing power as re garded those courts, from the Court of Review to the Vice- Cbancellor'e, and thence to shuffle it from one jurisdiction to another, was extremely hasty and ill-considered legisla tion. To ake those courts efficient, their jurisdiction should be permanent, and it they gave them a jurisdiction one year and took it away the next, they might depend upon it, their utility would be very much (metalled. They proposed to !rive the local courts jurisdiction in cases of bankruptcy and mrolvency—why not extend it to charity cases also ? (Hear, hear.) Why this piecemeal legislation ? Why give them a bit of jurisdiction this year, and a bit the next ? Why not propose a comprehensive system at once ? But, in his opinion, they had as yet too lit tle experience of the working of those courts to jestify them in increasing their jurisdiction. They were called cheap, but at yet no man could fix their expense. Cheap law was a good thing, provided it was worth the little given for it ; but experience was yet to decide whether these courts really pos sessed theiccommendation of cheapness. He again implored the house and the government to Proceed witli'delibeeation, and not to force this measure forward at such a period of the session. The house then went into committee on the bill. On clause 1, Sir J. GRAHAM stated his intention to propose the omis sion of the first as well as the second add third clauses. He thought the selection of judges under the bill. on the whole, judicious ; but he thought that the scale of fees should be at once settled. Until some experience was hai of the work ing of these courts, be war opposed to abolishing the jurisdic tion of the Court of Review. Sir G. GREY defended the legislation of the bill, as regarded the Court of Review. That court had been esta blished with a great flourish of trumpets, es the hon. sad learned member for Newark had *aid, but it had actually expired from want of business. It had originally contained four judges, but as they bad dropped off, it had not been found necessary to supply their plues. The three clauses, if objected to, would make no difference in the existing prat• tics ; and it was of little importance whether the clauses passed or not. Mr. J. S. WORTLEY thought the right hon. gentleman had not given any reasons is f.,vour of Vie bill. He consi dered it would be desirable to have a separate judge in mat ters of bankruptcy and insolvency. He, however, thought it was wasting the time of the house to proceed with this bill when the whole subject must be considered in the next ses• pion of parliament, at which time the question of the appel late jurisdiction would also be taken into consideration. After a few words from Mr. IiEVLEY The ATTORN E Y-GENERAL said the oSject of the bill was chiell7 to legalise a state of things which had hitherto existed without the sanction of law. Sir J. GRAHAM thought it was desirable to continue the Court of Review. If the state of the business no longer re quired the aid of three vice-chancellors, he would ratter re commend the doing away with one of the vice-chancellors than the Court of Review. Sir G. GREY—If a judge were to be appointed solely for the Court of Review, he would pass one-half his time in idleness, whereas, by the present bill, he would be able to divide it between his duties as vice-chancellor and the Court of Review. _ . After a few remarks in explanation from the ArroasET GENERAL. Mr. DISRAELI opposed the three first clauses of the bill. He did not see, after the Health of Towns Bill had been given up, why the house should waste its time on the discussion of the clauses of a bill which it was admitted were of little importance. Mr. ROMILLY thought the bill would tend to remove the evil of the subdivision of courts. He gave his support is the bill, which only went to sanction that which practi cally existed at present. Mr. HUME joined with those who thought it better to postpone this measure until next year, when, according to the report of the select committee of the House of Lords, the whole question of these laws must be brought under the consideration of the legislature. After a few words from Mr. A. MacaurnY, The committee divided.—For the clause _ Against it On clause 2 being proposed, Lord J. MANNERS urged upon the government the propriety of withdrawing the bill fur the present session, end thereby giving the probability of successful legislation on MP important question in the new parliament. Sir O. GREY mud he could only repeat that from cum munications he had received Irons persons most conversant with the subject it wis most desirable that the bill with these three first clauses, should be passed into a law. Mr. HUME thought the government, on their own show ing, ought to be content to take those clauses of the bill which it was admitted would be beneficial, and to omit the three first clauses. Mr. J. S. WORTLEY concurred in the suggestion of the hon. member for Montrose.. . . Sir G. GREY reminded the committee that by the divir.ion which had just taken place, the first clause had been af firmed, and he could not undertake, by abandoning the next two clauses, to upset the decision to which the committee hod come. Mr. DISRAELI thought the difficulty suggested by the right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey) might be obviated by di viding the bill into two parts. Mr WAKLEY said that after the close division which bad just taken place, a division in which the majority of 44 comprised not lees than 20 members of the government, he must entreat the government not to proceed further with the bill this session. The bill had been brought in too late to be deliberately discussed and, with respect to it, there were out of doors some very unpleasant rumours in circulation. It was denounced as a job, and not intended for the benetit of the public at large. Sir J. 110BHOUSE—By whom ? Mr. WAKLEY said he had not facts to supply to the right hon. baronet, he merely stated the rumour which had reached him. lie thought, for their own credit and reputa tion, the government ought not to press forward this bill at a time when it could not be considered with that care and attention which its importance demanded. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was hardly fair in the hon. member for Finsbury to designate this bill u a job, when he admitted he had not a single fact to adduce in support of that assertion. After a short discussion, The committee divided—For the clause 47 Against it The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 3 to 12 were agreed to. On clause 13 being proposed, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposed an alteration giving power to the Secretary of State, with the consent of the Lords of the Treasury, to regulate the fees to be received. The clause as amended was 'greed to, as were the remain ing clauses. In answer to Mr. WANLET, 'I he ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the report on the bill would be brought up on Wednesday. Mr. WAKLEY expected that great opposition would be manifested against the bill by the country. Ole therefore hoped that the government would out off the third reading as long as possible. Mr. BROWN moved the insertion of a clause to the fol lowing effect Power to judges of county courts to Issue warrant to arrest a debtor in certain cases, such debtor being within the limits of the jurisdic tion of the court, and to detain him in custody fora limited time, or until as order obtained to hold him to bail, when the medody to be transferred to the isberiff or officer holding a capias issued thereon. l'ho ohm., after • few words from Mr. GAEENE, was withdrawn. The house then resumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Wednesday next. TRUST MONIES INVESTMENT BILL. After a few observations from Mr. Sruarer in opposition, on the ground that the provisions were too extensive in their application, this hill, on the motion of Lord COMITENLY. passed through committee. The house adjourned at a quarter past 12. PARLIAMENTARY PAPER. GRAIN Srprurs.—A return has been presented to the House of Commons of the quantities of grain and meal imported and exported during the half-year coding sth June, in each of the years 1843 to 1847 inclusive. The return shows the surplus of imported grain and meal left for home consumption in each half-year: Qsaattile. twtht<,: ANT; It•ati• sad Cainallel). Merest* the lee. ".t;* ;:7 le cub :i u r.r TJ - he Opprog. MAILS: The 'F ee t mgta ma., excluding those for Mexico, Linden; and the Havannah, will be made up on the morning of the 17th July, The malls for Vigo, ()port*, Lisbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and will be made up on the morning of the 17th July. The mails for British North /aerie*, Bernfeld', and the Laity elates, will be made up on the evening of the 19th July. Thy overland mails ter Lilwaltar. Malta, Greece, the lonian Wand; IXit Aden, Ceylon, India, LG.: it-Kong, and China, cis Southamptto. made up on the morning of the 20th July. The overland closed mails, rio Marseilles, to the )(Whet.... Egypt, Aden. Ceylon, India, Long Kong, &e., will be made up en - II; evening of the 21th July. The mails for New South Wales, Tan Diemen's Land, and N. Zeeland will be made up on the evening (.4 the 314 July. The mails for the Brazils, the Rirer Pate, Monte Video, Perms. buoo, Dahlia, Madeira, and Buenos Agree, will be made op 03 the • ealmg of the 4th August. TO CORRESPONDENTS, erneets Wended for p ie Enema La mmbe 1,11,11 ppm sue y Ow Me by Two o'colt os e of public-elan. 111011 WATER AT LOSDOII.I 11100!. T.. Day —litentiaL Si Wis. pea 2; .1. pan L TeX —Movslog. be W. pm Attansadr.3o ma LONDO.V, TUESDAY, JULY 13, IN the House of Lords, yesterday, Lord BROUGRAII presented the report from the committee of their lord. ships on the subject of receiving messages from and sending messages to the House of Commons, which was communicated to the latter at a conference. The noble lord also, in an explanatory speech, submitted cer tain resolutions with a view to the prevention of bribery, corruption, and intimidation at elections.—The Mar quis of LANSDOWNE on the ground that it was not advisable to adopt an abstract principle, and with the conviction that their lordships would willingly adopt any measure sent up to them in the next session of parliament for punishing such delinquencies and crime in connexion with bribery and corruption at elections as the existing law was not able to reach, moved the previous question.—Lord BnotTinam, after an ex. planation, withdrew the resolutions.—The subject of the distress existin ,, among Irish emigra n t s to Canada was brought under the notice of their lordships by the Earl of ENNISKILLEN, on the authority of a letter from the Catholic Bishop of Quebec.—Earl GREY' believed the account to be cor. rect, assuring the noble earl that the attention of the government and the colonial authorities was directed to the matter, and that no means would be left untried to mitigate the calamities of those whose unfortunate condition he had brought under the notice of the house. In the house of Commons, Lord J. RUSSELL, is answer to Lord J. MANNERS, explained the coarse which had been taken with respect to trust deeds of national schools, and denied the rumour that prefer ment in Ireland was only to be given to clergymen who adopted the scheme of those institutions.--The noble lord also intimated that, having had communi cations with her Majesty and the Duke of Welling ton on the subject of the statue testimonial, it was not the intention of the government to take any further steps towards its removal from its present site.— Sir G. GREY, in answer to Mr. BERNAL, stated, with regard to a newly discovered disinfecting fluid, that he had caused information of its properties to be transmitted to the authorities of several large towns, with a view to its efficacy being tested.—ln coo. mittee of supply the vote of 10,0001., for the expenses of Portpatrick Harbour, was carried, on a division, by a majority of 114.—The second reading of the New Zealand Bill, proposed by Mr. HAWES, originated a discussion, at the termination of which the bill was read a second time.—The Bankruptcy and Insolvency Bill, after some debate, was committed, when the flit clause, for abolishing the Court of Review, was me ried by a majority of 41 to 37, as was the second clause, for transferring the jurisdiction to a vice chancellor, by a majority of 47 to 40.—Lord J. Mao. NEILS'S amendment to the Navigation Bill, on Satur day last, was not approved of by the Cn tNcEttol of the EXCHEQUER, and was negatived. WE regret that the great debt and credit income, opened by famine and distress, should be one so ostentatiously set down as between England end Ireland. Here we have two countries, the unite between which is indispensable to tho dignity, great. ness, and prosperity of both. And, in both countries we find assemblies engaged in totting up accounts, in which each brings in the other debtor to the amount of millions ; and thereupon each rings the changes, with all the obduracy of a creditor against the ingratitude and insolvency of a debtor. Mr. Hest E does not establish the fact of Ireland's indebtedness with more satisfaction to himsrif, than Mr. FosTEII and Mr. Jour O'CONNELL establish the same fact against England in their anti-conciliation ball. We well know which party are the most egregious sophists, but we know not which party is mast Impolitic in the mode of stating the question between the countries. For our part, we think that Ireland should he treated as Yorkshire. If that province or county was unable to employ its population, and that money was borrowed from capitalists to enable the holden of land to do so, the demand that Yorkshire pa I prietors should pay at least one half of this experm would be a most reasonable one. The account wing be one between the government of the country sal the proprietors of the province. It would not be le tween England and Yorkshire—no more than it is be tween England and Ireland. One is rather astonished to find Lord CLEMENT' to be the man who would stand up for Irish repudiation, especially for the repudiation of lug the debt occasioned by the Labour Rate Act For, if we recollect aright, Lord CLEmENTs was lee of the few Irish members, who in a former part of the 'session very generously avowed the beneficial resale of the works under that act. If the measure fag in the principal result expected to be derived from this was owing in a great measure to the lacks of the Irish gentry themselves, who refused mod of them to make any extraordinary exertias And the consequence of their backwardness was the vote of the Irish poor law by acclamatin, and a subsidiary measure of temporary relief is the way of alms, all others having been found imprint• cable in a country of which the upper classes woad make neither joint effort nor organisation. We have always represented the almost impract cability of the workin ,, of the Poor-law in the south and west of Ireland without large auxiliary meatus A contemporary goes fel ther, and has published formidable array of figures, which shows de poor rate and relief expenditure as so much greeter than the rent value of a great number d unions, that confiscation stares the landholder Mil face. The present, however, is no normal yes.: Should even the potatoes be partially affected, is extravagant to allege that the present quantityd rations and relief expenditure will be required fin! length of time. The legislature will have to de: with the amount of debt incurred, and the repaying of that debt may be scattered over a large swine d time. The question is not what government sod capitalists have a right to demand, but what the le. debted rental and property of the mortgaged rea and poor rates are able to pay. That is for future consideration. But in the meat' time there is no need of representing the landed intweg of Ireland as already bankrupt. All the monies sd• yenned to it from 1830 to 1814 have been Bereft lously repaid, with the five per cent. interest threw accruing, as fully shown is the Dublin Evening PA 4 of Wednesday. The time for repayment of admires under the Labour-rate has not yet arrived, gadding! Lord CLEMENTS chose to make an electioneering ellg craving the exemption of the Irish gentry from. payment of the half, we cannot think bun sense, We may appeal to the good sense, even of Las CLEMENTS, at a time when there is less pretuill upon exaggeration. That government shrinks front any sumwre sweeping process of confiscation the withdrawal or Encumbered Estates Bill by Lord Jolly Russets. PI proof. But if there was any serious design of tergig the poor-law screw to the uttermost, and 4 2 4 its consequence of dispossessing the landlordia be far better to have passed the bill, and hile • results. For in the present state of Ireland, els much disaffection and blindness, caused • amongst the lower classes, any policy vsea render the upper classes equally disaffected lead to such a unanimous demand of rePesd k j oa r" would almost realise itself without any i enactment at all. We cannot conceive what an English and 101 journal can be driving at, which plainly dert: progress of this confiscation, yet urges its and admits, in one breath, the justice at Wit mer.: strance, as well as that of the rigid pressure din, lish creditorship. If the two countries be 7 1 ; hallooed, like dogs, upon one another by the pre result cannot be other than physical strife, Ander ing of each other limb from limb.