The Express. — London, England, 1857-07-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FIOOAT, JOLT 10. The L out Citannit.Loa teak his seat on the woolsack The b .uee mwented sa animated appearan at in anticipation ef the esp.. rod debate' n the Oaths Bill ;en there was a neme ses Waal e rr of poe qeite a crowd ound the throne ; the stranger; 'Amy was tilled, and there was • large muster el ladies. THE OATHS BILL. Lord LEIGH preemiled a petition signed by 3,000 inhabi tant. of 114 oeuglesi (wow et the Oaths Bill. The Mayas of llarhedowno. Lord Brougham, Lord Tyne'. home, Leal Colville, and several other noble l nt.. also pre sented petite's, in favour of the bill. The Earl of Derby. the Duke .4 Bucckarb, and 'wend other noble lords, pre sented pelt' me spina the mensure. Earl GRANVILLE, before moving the wort reeding of the bill, Loved that the Clerk read the ...ohs of supremacy, and abjuration, and allegiance, at the table. The CoLuit teed the oaths accordingly. Earl GUAM - ILLS—I now beg to move the second reeding of this bill. At different time, when I bare had to intreluce ramming to your lordhhipa I have felt some diffi culty lee , . I should be able but imperfectly to state the object of the commie I bad to propee. Hy clinleulty to-night is of • different dwription. The arguments that may be adduced in favour of tie bill may not be of a novel character, but I will endeavour to elate them Lri. tly. Some of your lordships may think that there is some preeuteption, after your, opin a has been given on a pert of this bill, in my agaiX venturing to being the subject under your consideration; but, in the course of the observations I Alan nuke I trust I shall be able ts show toot there are some grounds why your 1. niships s'iould change your opinions. The object of ilia bill is to emend the oaths whi di are now required to be taken by members of the legislature. All your loidetiips have lately taken thow oatha, and you have just beard them read at the table, end it to therefore unnecessary for me to explain their nature. It as impoesit le to hear thaw oaths read without seeing the &no sr dons and incoagrumas character of them. The object of the bill is to amend those oaths, and by so ding remove anaemia which exist at present. I believe that nen is nn nation superior to our own ia the impotence lilt they attach to the wnetity of an osth. natant Owl, sit e* a matter of general principle, but wen as • wassign slide big and goad taste la the dusted claws et Ihe ouseley whom there oaths mots partiouleriy cenests, hen bse watery where so mob horror and darts.* hi OR at,witlfwg like taking in min the name of 0,4. AM I *Mb ee tg L i.g i n vai n that holy name when you wake Or MINI solemn append on thing, which are of theologian elleily atter ani ridiculow. I think it woo Cicero 11611 sell Ise could u t .nmive how two awes could nest in lit Meet el Haute without ad wit lingbiag in etewellhoes hen What would be the stew greet Paps It be ' the et representatives of the in mother phis, Wine sew in this house the and *s ten Its lei weed their seen 171174= 1 1: the sdeeYllYsYes ge the law, together with the pine, en es Se ere of God to witness anything 76 .. r= beat tiest the elheeindents of is bear set ant Ire me right to the crows et Wee unine. Os the othae heed, to call on protestant' to new that ibey did sot bine is • doctrise which I believe is doned by wed Kowa Whelks who do sot tam the oath at alk is ea eneenly. It mold be washes your kirdaisipif We if I weeeledele the gnat Weeder le the oaths which yea weaned an le Wm. lam the mea ow rimed of that llowle dread all site bars bees ere this hone to amid lbw. Thine senething in year pm. lisinastary fines ides saomons Wanine, but ita tombs- We • sort of webehns antiqedislin Wry are preserved, and there is a art et Wit bows, Y the institutions of the tea try In penortag then. Set with regard to these oath" se web conhheallen Wets. They have not greet andialty, they ban been added :to, they law bees plebs & and added to in various ways, and lave obi...lately failed this afternoon In counting so the somber of act* of parliament by which they have her Wind end enacted. One collatert advantage he the Curbill I. that by the change in the oaths admirer Isle nt er leer sf parliament may be given to the Jews , who ei thinner, by wean WWII in the oath., i leniesti, re asiladei es &mama of their relight= MI tin emelenme sibune• to truth. We psopss. le Meese then lbw that dkehlity, ea the growl an d right, end news w believe it is ebodenly enbew to the prim*, sr we oinetiteelea that ma Weld be de bawd hen *been sears et their en winese. To ny greet neweige sew desk hes tees eepeeni wham this clause we net ishatiewhy Waned le way to the Jews. I d not triable your leseht sie l s lth quotations of options Irvin some of the vaned of this country ; I will net even pints Wrenn an refer to Judicial opinions, but I will refer to yenews good sense. When this oath was framed, at the ef the 19th vagary, the object was to protect thsrees/ Hanover from the Hoses of Stuart. At that time the Jews were of no political significance whatever; and I ask if tt is possible that these womb were introduced with a view to ex clude thcle we from parliament? While they debarred from their civil right, they are permeated. Noldsierdeeppettemsg petal I that it is not peeeeeutloc to prevent Jews ; etneerise properly qualified, from taking their nets is the Win Wen of parliament. I think I hays a right to sit thin ieelm the line where persecution begins and Awe It ens ? I would ask wirther it existed a quarter et a senitsw7 ego when your laws prevented a Jew from hag the fret wenn* of that great city which fter sem yews hes returned • Jew as its representative? I ask whether it was persecution when you prevented a Jew frees being a schoolmaster or a lawyer, or even exereibLit ai ett . il i Wads in the cite of London? And Ima if these it., of the slightest advantage to the country? I sale whe ther it was persocutiou when the property of about KIN Jeers was coullwated in this country? Thin bill is intended to remove the tion now existing. I hope your lord shige will attribute it to my want of understanding, or any thing else be.. • want of respect for these who entertain • contrary opiates ; but heel the beet consideration I have been able to give to the subject, I hare not been able with any sedsfactkn to myself to law down an easel principle on which an objection can be taken to this inessime. I have leant appeals to sentiment sad prejudice that is supposed to stet in • Chriatiaa community, but so char principle. as I commas, bee been bad down. l lt et said that by admitting the Jews to a seat in parliament they unehrietianised the legislature. I tenet that my noble friend who is to follow me will not wady himself with bolding out that horror, but that he will explain how the sesult is to take place. In the fret pace, we ought to be in :mead whether the nation at large is to be consideeed Mist= or no'. If the preposterous notion is entrained that it is unchristian I ask your lonlehips whether it is not chimerical to anion to maintain for the legislature • cha racter which the ran nat large doe. not porta lf, on the other hand, the onion is said to be Christian, how is It potable that the notion can maintain its Christianity, Jew" being allowed to We for members of parliament, awl le rani all the duties of essibtrates and sherith. They do that sow, and how ~an it be said, Ws, that you nisch:Winne the legislature by the sandshoe et • dew Jews? Ipmtntoyour kniehipe wham Christienty bolds its pia is the world by laws intentionally or anintentiaaWly Ernie by te en whether by such means yen really this& yes on ftide sot only the outer senahken tint be Weer aubennee et Chriatianty. I bare e'en U rearded that naessest the ern Christine—ma who tow sot relesent to rriw their lives he swelesee sate—caw d then WI see hanale le Unseen la the Items earn I awl earlar- Owl a Chrinan et that elan ebeald Loin iderelf Jen- Sol in with the warehippere d Jenne in ratan of a tenweal a web yet thee we amenlied nest, not hr the lures cuisines en gassier et retigi,tat belief, brit es mini slssatag the Wepeeel wine our Idlow-sabjertverephiss peens being almost every form et mentions belief is the world, not we should lose our cha lweerslClnistlimsbysiltdegalserwse,theerron of whom, bower darner le drainer, urn be aid to be dosser we le others, asi width they done Ink to propeplo I tot thank thank that Ws is sewer, sad I think the neater denim ib wichrietian anlineste propounded and bY sonini Christians. Fee thew ewer I think tllt u = sli ersu. nest et Chrictianity comma be erhanined. The noble earl =tt say that he lad awn Mt • sational pride in at thieconetry snowed teeppeeisee montelntleen Gait wantries, the armor ad an sad religsoneWty. Tide lordships bad yesseisate hr the coon they bai per son with neer& at ibe Jaws Imre be teas any let , la Meek en other yarn et the continent of Jew toes en perseesail, bet if they went R tramie !ma an Sardinia, to senrat Ilollad. sad to the 'Wee died the Atlantic, t he y went find that those sientries did an debar Jew. of tr civil rights. And the disabilities a the Jews did not exist throughout the whole el our ow mann They were under no disability Is In as, In the Australian coloulas, a Jennie', or In Beendoes. In Canada the subject wan wry mach discussed, and be was happy to esy that an of the drinks of their civil rights there was • rwarstaid that there was no mitabliehedchtuch in the States, and that the queetion had not been mooted there, How that was not exactly the fact, for in the state of lieresabs setts, which was stilt imbued with something of the Puritan ical spirit, • full discussion had taken place on the subject, and It had Leen speed to 'weep from the statute-book no- tin weds which bon the of whet wee considered • ashen Wen lorr ice toienuice. These were home of the reasons which indeted him to oak their lordships wean set he hineneed by the spoke* my that the sesame went net nnehrintianise the =lll.et tbe eswity. (Ser, bear.) TIM, were some I. argessees to which it our seareely escesenry to allude, an he raceme as that the Jews bens a we nn nation eel eapeehas thdr neleestkoi weld prevent One bereasing good ennui leon iPa l i rZewe imeneatly Wined that would even at a dine peeled of be In a . = o. that might be the ; lbst bowie theyespeeted restoration as likely le sneer sew thorned or thosnad yews Warn they inset lase el Waren is Ile preepority et the emery wham they our *now a Addle erwasest. The angweerk4 they wen wet he lannensal wenn bed albegetbar wenn Be vend set new laie this teem, j a n d mr waste, who. heir Weibrelosa agiaee beg b.r ta a, bat be m nes te that there ou r ' • ijeefrt of sense la nigh thy In •an been an as/ aearil ceisedram 8 1.0ai.) vend NM may htv mists& elm et eta aft eer n. Ile ha: UM that seer et the sloth some et that, leneligs• bar bit a illbeeley Is veils be the reed wines. New be melmily Wee natives, sad be yea wee nay nee Inmell by the me marste r am non wer capered sour years ago by ma GNI hollrlival mar Irma, no l& THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 11, 1857. la ihe bd. lid the Itaracipatiou Act would en him the d illiiSic for the a onitsion of the Jews into =Pip 't We have been seemed of bigotry, —who as the Weft nowt' He was suns the same sentiments as. entertained by noble lords professing the tams religion In that home. He was aware of the diScalty which they Rdt about the bill, sad that they itildavd some of its details objectionable. Now. if the bill should be "Bowel to p into committee, be should be prepared to state the fet/011s which induced him to think it desiniblo to retain the words which were objected to. It would be open to them to pro• pose any alters:Urn In the details, and to show how these ob jectious might be carried into elf-ct without weakening the security which prateranta required ; awl he was sure there was no member of their lordship,' Muse who would not most carefully and conscientiously consider any nut morsel that might be rade to them. But contidering that the prm ciple of the bill was to amend oaths which were defective, and which collalarally secured the abandon of the Jews whom they wished to relieve in the same manner they them selves had been relieved, he felt that it would be contrary to ergs to vote against the second reading of the bill, whatever mane they tadibt take in it, suPsequent stage.. (Hear, bear.) There was one cam of objections which be did not think would be argot, although such a rumour prevailed ex tensively abroad. It had been said their lordships ought to seize with something like avidity inch an opportunity as the pre sent of shoeing their independence of the other house of parliament on • question of some importance, and that they might do this with perfect =toy. wing that, notwithatand ing the very Imp majority the Bootee( Commons,that ma- Mority not supported by the petitions of the people at arge. Now, undoubtedly their lordships exereited great influence, by reason of their high position and high cha racter; but that any notion should bo entertained that they would Oneidas their petition by a sort of factitious asser tion of only required to be stated, to be denied by their to (Hear.) There were occasions on which their beithign might iuterposo very fairly when matures were ably the temporary enthusiasm of the people, for the mum °fallowing time for calm consideration. But that as exactly the reverse of the prevent ease. Although theeranano excitement out of doors, yet the deliberate opinion of the pee* of England was unequivocally in favour of the mamas, petitions front Birmingham and some other prose was inthostive of • change of public opinion. Two of the i ctiLue r t n ic:7 , l2.= „ 2 . tu t= red litirori ter of the public opinion et Om country was dr eddy, not merely monsoon be thee, hot enor ems eminern with the nujocity is the We yellarent, of ohm tube had just returnod free the eiwilteer ors. bewared unworthy ofp notice, also, that to el the war menthers of the government of the nab sent weil fee the ranture. (Hear, beer.) He vial le appeal to their lovthhipe Ite ass be a ab ed * do that which was right begets Ma end ans—* elle wee In auordonee with the pinelpie of Odd laid—le give a second reeding le the bYI which INIM Min a deserving part of the awnitiolty free re- Maas slid they ill the mere, swift that Amid! ✓ereletris loid bus taken free ode peeks. d he taw de es act. he would sot ern it et peek bet el *era be s red raid, • moot industriouka - meet peaceful, eal • nee Wed portion of the nation. (Lead deem) The SW of =ANY said the noble earl had combined two Willy Milne itions—one, • queen as to the =paths" read of admitting into the legislature of this Mirka awley—kr be still took the liberty of calling it • Middies eessry 7 oreintiers of the Jewish nation, for m • nabs he all saridred them; the other, • question as to the ohs of oda which awe anisehtedly obsolete. The rile hid mitred the for d hens outshone as • collared adallide lowing Mel Ile aiadlen proposed. Now, WO dead awl had mobs des • sillesial d emises sr amity the ward owl priest induce- Mai of he resierrat to lovers the mrssea (Hew) He wadi net glue the noble surf at ISMS Ms he argu ment be alai be hmil adored de propelelyedaddleg Into the egiattere made of the Jewish petwden. Ha did sot with to soy • word digliMikag to the Jews of this or lay other ovuntrY. Ile admitted the high Wiwi* of their nation ; he added that they had been at we tiara, and might spin beam at • fat= the most favoured of the 1111010111 of he well; be that in point of talent end abili 7 they did as lifd as nation in the world. Bat La was not perweil character sea nwelea, and although they ram arllmdby the divine decree over the whole face of the aid they s tained their national character, and looked inward to that period when, as • ration, they . should be mewed to their ✓a tional rights sad national pnvithgee. (Ike, hear.) The peetdiar position of the Jews erne final wt in the very asthma age by their great lawgiver Mors, be describing the 1•101/111r in which, as a nation, any wee lain kw the raid of another nation. As the Jews sae Is Egypt he Jews were In England. and in every country et ds vedi— they wee • ameba within a nation. They minded le lbe kw, they detherged their duties as elbow, end be this watt" they were entrusted to the porde apse with the adininittration of the with Illensithas of tenet, and what alone was aid hid hum he was a voice in making the taw fur the sepillet of • Christian coamminty. (dew Vt. The hors was looking Irma Is dr mina maw and • greater exodus Amid sari Nod serriss sad bring then to their own. tiono Thor seared their laws sad earars ; they =slAserilie timely with their know waders ; bowers sedra was an Iropentalak gulf ; sad, te net en eptelien Ulla 111 MS occludes had ghee pest Mee, they wee k blood, aliens ia Imagers, and aliens in relines. We.) The quoin= lakes their was ma et sad by in • nutshell, end I =r ships new se ammanted with it, and had, no doubt, so throne* mho or their' mind,, that the eloquence of the noble sod. orefi=t ta bew noble lord, was not likely to indass lls ra their o& Bet be ion. mast say that MO 1111•111116 jut been alined Wide be did se *pet be bee, titer the inesinetion of the most spat that it was de eskabted WIN and title el asy dthen to witty by en Ind held title all de deka rid privileges - et •de awl that die withhold, scoot min* anypelas ef , hoe rights wee madam what he as pried le aila stment of pemealion. The whit end had CO:I=F Masi he quirks as le Wiet wee ttglie pri wen inaudible olds Ida rndleal to every did* de hid the W ei t: d lidet eratty of pew security of , dos Ns elide religion, and from raw OM Imre ow MEW In this country. Bed he low no right to claim the pryer of legislating foe the esmesslity at Inge, which priellege we sot given to *ay mew leg alp le certain bibbed' Weed fern the coaasmll7 se Nkd be Its bads. Eat certain restrictions bald thus Ira report en he privi leg e of sitting and veiny be par linnent. de wee ready to admit that he wade " es dr Nan kith of • Christian" wee Ineekrell set wtfttehswb he Jews but I. he Jade, list let her kiddie leek to the drambette of the dew when the web Illeeettedneed. Tat two aninise and • half preview be de kleedellen of Me wed beds ael pail MIS wan sot odds. iloo la Ms essetry •kr roe bemired tra p MI Is the Nos of • prides wr at Yid of re Jews, rod byldirmhßen Ariel*" that the easedeal irsidateot • bo weldrus. l.lll 2 AO he mild to roam Is ibis ; het thai li rt a l i tellewed lir Newt is disk sig n Mr 17 0, haw irk desk Is sere mrailima s sad tr mi t sr me looses of IWO, druid he ego' rel l fisrry appased Arm the ssseiw hi ga=stry•-47 try ot Zeshrd . lbs a sodassise woo rid ossoweel mow idiots vp without oorlegtory adds.Mr W r eds dated that the vireoa p Wart s rho • yid is Ow pre ceedisp, andwhy solibisi resod arid. woe berm hie higher* sa pod advish la tar yew OW lre fo ll owed& petition Mk mew elkw dim orriesil dr oath this requi *be Idle= mem We add di la priberent. Now red , Ist die tersbe draw at Oat lime the eschew ef de kw wie a nedeet ewe edit* en whether it wee see istestirsel. The sad dos weeded Is le Men nu in these terms, *, I, • 2.Po* , ad sure hst I will uphold and maintain the Ouse Nediested Probated Mohr= disks be Its 'porky, se it b orleised in the of the Old sad Now Tairod, lad encored, dr asipaineln of the wens." Now, although It be ims the the wads be the act of the 7th Jams I. wee not egrsmlf dineled spirt he Jews, was there set inn be drew that the legiskture istended " Te l = the Sow f (Her, hear,) Then certainly was as prioder eaeemat list 60 ire should ant sit la podionsed. And H $ a 1 670 I' in the OW bateau, ewe treated es I dens. 11 aWB on baw l{ be to reltw,e them from that drebility. That we earled, be the eritement be the wile Welleene a pee Wt the war tare we tepid is Or Mistake pair, la • way mord g • sessers w ups it wen y Ost • ass ahe ad hid radlikstion dt l• yadirmst. lir Jew lied= = io ot holding hatoimly, rid is liiht Ws rade ted friend (Led seat •HI Art bed Wes introdueed_ • =77ifa I tor the ef rawtoilag the darts wile twirl se to whathm June vim midi elWa sson 111 m re Jess aro ieseded seupdhp ` sotberldiry Wed perry, as it thatdad be welkeed ley spas ate`f Odor. Ihre.) *s • logis- Islin amid go lbws had been writ be sob el priliont wW pertkielly adeded Jews from Odra* solimest. As bh - sebisi ad hissed Mid was set ado le lode irn. dorm of • Jew lesors been othnittegossid lispdhortt, es he would be mains thew ay raid dim lie es and voting wee not rewire ethelaw logiesl (H il t/ In the count of • debate which leansssmssi_ %As rat 1 =c hs it s : e l l O n f d E lir TM and Corporation Ade was eurld, the words •ea Ithe Ire lath of • Cluisfirr was sided for the ) c . ,f as Is ref arms ardent frit the Jews ere no% isle dor Wag an toad, it bed bus the ordsidt. siderVi firenninadesd re kg= rd d Yen ; sad the past = gid Z prod, wadi fir dr SO ramose thee With ed Wind de Jere from peelbesel. The eludes of ths woods „ ads Owe bird •Clididis • 11•111 a, en ths writ IMO lbw bed dr rid of bet bow Ira I ad ibe cart de or Ude apise et presselles perling det de yams vinge Is silt arid wet the silo el Pon rr iar l i tz wi llis &odd te bow the side Miry dt dolma Aim ord tbe rtim p orr prow of pisiosrat me le dr swift whisk bed hasseil aa tTernwesei be woe to dr psioddia fir =WIN ds Jews from ldsh somas. (Haw) He did art complain of the selection of oaks. enemy...ad In the dames But there were other Important saws which ralsdpeculiar advantages in the eyes of the Jews • such, inst i amee, a.that of Chancellor of the lltackeauer. (Isseetiter.) There were Jews eminently quali fi ed to ft the elks ,• and perhaps if the hon. member for the City of Lei den obtained snout in the House of Commons, be might Imam an efficient and no doubt very influential Chancellor of the Exchequer. ("Hear, hem," sod laughter.) But there was one provim of the bill which he did net under steml—that which provided it should not be lawful for any sprofessing the Josiah religion to advise bur y touching or coucerning appointments in the church of Englend and Irelmil. (rinse, bear.) g that a Jow, by the moths of his abilllice and llyV; arlisimentery influence, which he wits very likely to =Trear bid the pinion of First Lord of the Teueury ; M under this bill be deprived of the privilege of ed doing the elitism un the disposition of eietheireiii id benetii ti ; and to the Archbishop of Canterbury wee committed the duty, in the ease of benefices in the gilt of an office held by a Jew, of dispeing of thee benefices. Ho had inch au opinion of the most reverend prelate who now held that high Aim that he mid net for • noommat believe that even that temptation sweiff banes him to wee fur this bill. (" Hear, hem," sad :10.) But ea Is who IMP to adme her Majesty with to those heroes which were in the gift of the crown, M hill Wt dims ha dank. Ito we. saying that he should lies le lam whet tons the object and the purpiee of the introduc- Mem et *me theme. It we. not a lung-entertained pis salbegootsf bee Majesty. government, or the result of r i allisielen he in • • committee co the bill in the Hour Conmene en the of the theardity of the Jews emu die sathithelleal and being eligible Ise Nunn ormeriur Micas lone a th e goveremeat, the asbie viewed at the heed the government, in his usual off-hand manner, Mil that this was sot • all of pain. and penalties, but a lain sad ahaterehessive liberal measure, which pro cad w strikes, the lest link in the chain of religious persecution, and that's mad have no such disabilities included in it. (11car, hear.) Within. lours, or, to speak more correctly, within • week, whim this wall-renesabstod measure, which we. introduced smog the earliest of the session, and into which no goal& cations were to be admitted, came on for further comings. Lion, the noble lord come down to the Home ef Consomme, and said he would agree to the introduotioa it the clauses. (Hear, hear.) This was not the nob of alai* wilk • greet welkin—Chem, heart—mar ems k the way to iress the meaty with an idea of the chmachr ad peen= at the government; but, on the costrary. _ bad • peat emir, to canoe in the country • feeling thet Om was something very like playing at feat and Woes as the part of ' the government with great cpleetionn and with high prin ciples. (Hear, hear.) He was told that a deputation of Raman catholic noblemen and gentlemen waited on the noble lord at the had of the government and elated, what he (Lewd Derby) was very sorry to hear, that they felt ag grieved that an oath should be adopted which was different to that which they were compelled to take ' and which would still be retained ; they objected to this, and urged that if them wee to be one inch for all her Majesty 4 subjects, irrespective of any queetion of their religious faith, they ought to bo placed in as ggoed a position as the Jews, and that they should not have an oath of a different and distinct form leopard upon them. He thought that was by no means an unreameelile proposition. He should be sorry to place the Roman Catholics in the sew pneition as the Jews. The Pruteetants of this country were in many eremites chesty identified with the Roman Catholics, dif fering from them only In such exceptional matters se it had been thought desirable to guard against in the hem el the re oath taken by them. But in the great leading ZneZples of the Christian religion, the Protestant. and Catholics were at one; with regard to the main doctrines of the divinity of, and the be• lief in the Saviour, and with regard to the great Isriwiples of moral duty and fueling, they held a com mon belief. But if the Jew admitted the doctrine of mural duty,. there wee yet a wide severance: with regard to the peiaenyles and the authority from which those mural deli.. were ddeerriived end on which they were enforced, between him awl the Christian. (Ileer, hear.) The Jew, therefore, Mood Christian more alien than my i ndividual in the great catholic body of Christiana deed to any other, and ha (Lord Derby) would not admit that in • Christian legis lature which professed to carry on Christian legislation for • Christian community, there was any analogy by mean of which you could put those who were not Christian. on the same footing as those who were, in the strict acme of the WIN Christima. (Hear.) His noble friend had said that be wiehed re®e ono could tell him what wee meant by =- christianises; the legisisture. Ile (Lord Derby) had not urged that argument ; but Le thought ho knew the weaning ef the weeds unchrietianieing the legislature. lie did not sag that the admission of three or four Jove, did unchristi an'', die beidaturc, or that they would exercise an undue rinse In Ike dsliberetions of parliament, but he was not me thal Mok perm might met have the effect of inter vals( alibi is the way of mime of a Christian cha. Baehr. He oteddreve ea Wave, by way of illustration, of what he mat. none yam we e • public mbeeription we. rod, for Isms oiliest of psi minute and distree, and in we an mini to the Christian mow by infra Christian mest. A Jew. who WS one of the princijed emtributore to themaiseripties, said he objected to the word .Cheinis=" sad whited it to be Math out ; he urged that **Jew amid ad be offendedirya peememons which put the meal ea the Lining of hadoM_ mgethy ; and the Mai WM Mt ilk iiily aim aseepe= Mot m enter to amble Ste be sengled the appeal to In Chinn= sympathy dim semay _was drat out of Os sargeneres. Sonictiting ales me kind might mu is the lain ofCommoca ; and land Smut occur in ransom Os the enstoce of beginning the gressediene of each a, wllk me em, which were all othealsp In the same of Obeli lie - did not know if Jews mme to on into theft lopislipf house, but when a lzirre we to ens de proxy, lies won careen. words Inds! he Antolini, its Um which must be ex cluded bin he amid an It. (Been r.) lie was proming to dim haw it wee that the Isethisture could be untheislimind by the mbeknion into it of three or four Jew% emi be midi wait by doing so, you took from it its Mend= ef ea mimic* Christian body—(hear, hear)—' and yea Ilsenesil that legislation had no neeemary, or men any elsonsisa with the religion of the acenstry—(hear, hem) —sod thee yea did by the simple act al striking eat of the palikeemtery oaths these words which gave its chief 84 the oath, the wards "ea the true 4117/ to • Christian." Those words yen peopled to algae out. Why P It wee the Int coadesomkos you awed towards those whom yea proposed to introduce fate ithe legidate= and by that zne a s:s ei mi put an end to say skew , of any measure of a &erecter being meal by the legislature. (Hear.) That was what he caul letteriatiameing parlisoneat—(beer)—namely, that for the Mem Christianity could have so plat in the legialation of the esnedry. The noble earl said that you excluded the 3 hat th at you admitted mem of all other rtligiona and . no No doubt if aon clam to forswear hiseaclf, wham ho (Lord Derby) nor the legislature could help it; ea Mt they could my wee that no man should take pot la the legislature of the country who doe. tied peels to be • Christian. Further than that human Itwrew could not gq and short of that it should not and mad to go. But ova if it on normary to admit the Am= gedieneat, wee it imind that the consciences of ftholdthas Mold bs sad= big the skiing out of the oath it am nosh wide kink sgse gees to it all its force and offsvollyt War ad haw nada aa exception in favour of M those Mb aged la ths thoos al taking the oath, NM had Ism thai Is la met Qui= and Moravians f The Jew, If he Masi nab a silt aneellon might have more fairly distil Ille mmelepsell al • amid slim In his favour by el wore 1.• and have an oath which would be en his modessa Bat that would not have smog Os mime of the government. (Hear, VTIM Mali have bean an enactment which st meth= be= mimed lry their lordships' house, WMI mid hays Ime ouni bedi to the other houses with tholgool of f t Woolf Oil, MI dm it would have been fig the Whom 0 Clesoms le mg while. they would pet ✓els Ibis aisle emits of inthmalory oaths until such MOM = soli Mes the Mass d Leda to adopt such • MU it et eleAeteep the athebnisa et Jews to the infebagia Mr Mindifs loveesmmi bail, however, taken OMAN 111111111111, gal all ill My palm howl might ism as Mann on/ sa dint epos Imo ember. of their mw last onion afar the MB it the admits reallartb• Jews L aid - had bra othsted by their theleblgn he Derby) had inandned • bill le and the Mr eta by maim el the belthiara hat white provided that the oath him should mai the words "on the Inn kith of a Claidisa," but side ipit rid of all .het on obsolete and enemleas, and villa his seble &had called ridiculous end innhemous, Is the MM. Bet he wee told that the Henn d Com mons vas deleesand to have Jews in their hoer, end that fig Weil set yleid say pont with regard to piiiianien key edam Mil La BOON et Lords ears up their oppoei- Hsu Mewl • moms. When this amass was introduced In igo of the peessat seseiae, he (Lord Derby) so ik• in theiabethie of the bill that be should have ac tin awed realm mod bum mewed in committee the bead= et the.worde "ea the tree kith of a Christian ;" bat is the HMO of Ceram that amendment sod been . mead, h sad bol Ma *NIA by • large wejority, in • priori , they add rijset say meth eneadisent lee Mt he Mee proposed, sad which skao could Milk ithir lord‘te ceator with the othir boom. Leargose.) lie behrentr, bean somewhat them= shnowellori m naliths viral he was of the Minn liesith d ithe dew Midi bad ben - a M to MIN. lis bodliosa bold, as he had add, that e deputa tion dam& adbils =Mum sad gentlemen =it= on the Mb Met the hand of tbe c sol== regreeeded Oka disollia 1• do folsoilia a sett it pr om of Mk poomolio a; sod he was told that the sable viseml, le his wootrar, mid that ke his own patt he had net the dabbed dine= le meth to their request, eh that w it lid=libid, bat that these were soaks of ultra Inns ha the Mine of Coalmen; and he was Sal it Eaten wan egged be might had a difficulty In goA l ibe bin, sad IMO= ha wisausedigly Wbe ary that ll amply with as sogant elide Xmas catholic Minn; chic be would 41—he ma set Moab them km Ming the Ms vow lapsed in them Whs. lies, sad la fedi ad ph Ibm Is • bilengsoillen he mull ethi s es r l s ;e a r the hem in • mean easuadenteedt•dbmat) 11. 11Zadd aims is say that this ma .sadly SW nail viemat add le the deputation, but that was MMe and met Of whet be did say. He WV glad the noble dohs w i esiedi letold perhaps confirm the first pm{d his mealy, that the noble yiseowat said OM bo bed no o to what they proposed, ad wouldbe laic le strike oat oath parts of the - bill as the Roman wee einoted to The Doke of NORFOLK—It was something like that. ("Broz, boor," and laughter.) The Earl of DERBY—It was something like that. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) But was that a toroditabk or a dignified manner of acting on the part of the heed of the government—(hear, hear),•—and the heed of a govern ment who only • few months ago went to the country on principles of interne proteetourtiem? (Hear, hear.) The result however wee that the Roman eatholiesdid not get whet they asked, and clauses were inserted in the bill by whisk Jere were incapacitated front holding certain offices, and that not withatanding the indignant repudiation of any smolt cmlopre- Mile, and the loud professions of liberality of the noble viscount in the other house of parliament. if the govern meet had chosen, they might have retained the words "on the true faith of a Chnstien" in the oath, and by . retaining them might Live avoided shocking the consciences of many pee wee, while they might at the mum time have openly tested the feeling of whiteout, and a.oeetained whether it was their wish that the Jews ehomid be admitted into the legisla ture ; but their lordahipe were not permitted to remove from the oathe all that was obsolete miles' they were coerced into admitting the Jew. into the legislature. Hit noble friend had raid that he hoped that he would not hear that !hie was • fitting oocasion fur essurting whet he called the fictitious independence of the Houle of Lords (Lord Grenville in timated dement.) He legged hie nobletriend'e parden, but he heard him use the word fictitious ;" but if Ma noble friend withdrew it, of course he had nut • word to say more on the subject; bat his noble Mend had said that he hoped he should not hear that this was a littingloccasion for the weenier, of the independence of the Howe of Lords. Now, he (Lord Derby) hoped that the House of Lords, in matters of high principle, would always amert their independent*. ((fear, bear, end cheers.) He would not enter further on the ques tion of the admitaion of the Jews to parliament in which their lordships had made up their mind., as a q u estion of principle end reason, apart from all considerations of expe diency, end in that reepert he believed that the mind of the Housed Lords was es much made up an ever; hut he could nut deny that then were times, which were deeply to be lamented, and which happily were of rare occurrence, when the !Immo of Lords and the Ileum of Commons in their legislative capacity might be devoted to make some aserifice of prinot ple to what they thought beet adapted to effect great social and political changes. He did nut think that thus was one of the highest prineiplee, but he spoke of it with Nepal, became it was one on which their lonlehipti had acted, and which had influenced great gatemen among whom heneed only men tion the Duke of Wellington and Mr Robert Peel. There were time. when an abet:net ease of justice :end right had been overborne in the HARR of Lorde and the House of Commons by a sense of danger arieingfmm collieien between the two houses of pediment ; by • danger of disturbance and turbulence likely to Iced almost to anarchy ; and there were cireumetaneee attending that grave state of thing. which hod influenced the legislature in yielding their convic tion* and opinion. to a course of expediency. That woo the MOO when the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel passed the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act, which they did not concede from the conviction of their own holing.; but they yielded to what could not be called juatire, bet to a sense of danger to the country. The same thing woe dose by the House of Lords in reference to the Reform Bill; and later still, with regard to the repeal of the Corn laws. There were swears on which thew lordships meted in op lineation to what they thought in the abstract just and right, but they yielded to the force of formidable dangers to the state and to the country, whoosh were presented to them as the only alternative. Ile would sub his noble friend what wen now the formidable dangers and inconveniences, if the House of Lords should reject this bill ? Earl GRANVILLE—I did not say there were any. The Eerl of DERBY—No, his noble friend did nut my so, and he thanked him foe the Marston that there were no such fiormidahle ouresqueners to be apprehended, there was no danger of collision between the two lenses of parliament, there was no danger of any disturbance of the public peace, no danger of the arising of any of those moral or wociel evils which might formerly have influenced their lordships; but his noble friend said that he hoped he should not hear any argument founded en the notion that it wee necessary is support the independence of the Howe of Lards. Ilia noble friend should not hear that argument from him, but he would hear that he saw no beeeseity for the House of Lords to be placed is the praition in which they were now placed. He believed that their lordehipe' minds were made up on tide question, and he hoped that they would pantie the name course which they had hitherto pursued, that they would adhere to their reso lution to maintain the Christian character of the legislature of this Chris= country, and that they would not be induced to swept • measure with • condition attached to it, which wou only in tended ne a screw in the consciences of their lord ship., and that while they regretted that the govern ment had not *operated the two principles involved in the bill, they would not be induced to sanction a combina tion of two principles in one of which they could not agree, end that they would determine on not accepting the bill. On there grounde, spolienring for having neap/Ned no long ion their lordship.' attention, he begged to move that the bill be rests armed time that day six menthe (Loud cheers.) Lord LYNDHURST—My lords there are many reasons why I should rather have wished that any other noble lord should have taken the lead in this debate; but I have felt, and I do feel at this moment, that unless I avail myself of thin opportunity of offering my opinions on this subject to your Lordships I might not be able hereafter to do so. No noble lord can admire more fully than I do the eloquent* of my noble friend; and, if beautiful language and splendid de clamation can determine this question, then I eel eatielied that there is no chance of your lordships reading this Lill a second time. But I have been so lung ftuuiliar with the Howe of Lords, I know the course of their peatedinge so well, that I entertain no apprehension that this question will be decided on any such grounds. I have, while my noble friend was addressing you, been considering what mune it would become me to purees on this occasion, and. from the confident* that I plat* in the judgment end liberality of the house I am confident that your lordships will neoguies the et:endues of the principle on which this bill is founded. I think the true tonne to be pursued is to point out die needy the facts of the case, and then to advert to the argu ments on which it le reste d,—the arguments which have been urged on one aide and on the other, and among them those which have been urged on the present occasion by my noble friend. Now, my beds, es to the facts on which the cue depen d s, and on witch I think I shall satisfy you lino it uutiOy turns, they may he stated in a ahort time and in • few words. I must call attention, in the first intones, to the period of the revolution in 1688. Those by whom the con stitution of this country was then settled determintel at the commencement of the reign, of William 111. to revise the oaths taken in parliament and elsewhere. There woe, then, the oath of allespance ; which was of a meet cumbrouti form, and then was the oath etenremacy. That nath of allegiance was adopted In the sign of James 1., and it cent dud the words ' without equivocation, and on the true fifth of • Chrislism" Thee nab, after much con sideration was spell s eel in lieu of it there was subUlteted tae Ample enth of allegiance in • concise fora, width we me new asenskused to take. I come now to the alit membleresik, the eMb of euprensey. The oath of unprenrey, then, cessitheil el two ?arts —an affirms num,. and a negative past; the afikreative pert assorting the triepteMaey the arew ce and the negative pert dalialas dna no foreign or potentate bath or =to bag amp spiritual dom inion or authority in this Thus ewe /111110116 in the parliament of that day who sdmeatei the eirildng out of the former part and the ' retaining ef lie Wei part. The ady oaths then were the oath d angemmey, each me I deuelbed It, and the oath of allui&rorronow take it. In the third year of the reign of 111. the mown was eireettled, but no oath was adds en the wastitiesear, r * was not considered requieite le de se. liiete es peocemisi till the twelfth year of Wilke' 111., whim • koilior change was made, as, in ampagnama of the death of Queen Mary and in Dales of Gloweeter, • new settlement of Se ISOM hems thommuy, and it WOO then settled as the Prisons Downer of Hanover and the heirs of bar hely ; end la sekleses Hat crown was settled in the sorerla which Beam renelsm No new oath was re =4y porthassi and the great men who made that set • sad the ady salt which was la farm was the short ea& ef thegleene raft mgative oath of upremacy. Then este@ what took pies Milks lest year of the reign of Wil liam. On the dee& eddemse U. Mena emoted the title of King of England, and the suppetek la his claim by the French monarch. He wee proclaimed King of England in France, end step. use taken le ma/no that chas e Then It was that the oath of abjuration was introduced he the purpose of meeting any contey arising out of that sad the necessity of supppaattlYsgg the crown of Great against the combination of Preen with the deuced enieellanses the Second. Tint oath ef abjuration, with the Giber oaths imposed in the time se Willem, blue come down Morin. But the object kw whisk the oath of abjuration was amid Ms lesi men led been at an sad. What e Ilia wand envy ms demi think ought Is be pm said t Wily, dimply to moped ea nit which was he a special mama which has ono le on ask end= the tree sear oa th s as tbsg wee Ingesil is the ea of surly, the oaths eI alliginees sad supremacy. By this bill the ads et alleging* sal ilipplaoy, es fruned in the time of Wiliam lIL, We 11141WIIIMIL But there is we addition whit Md not exist la the Inn at Maims I I 1., and that is the Oa .mining the ensemeka M Me mown. If I was asked Han& an oath wal asassory, I should say it was not. If it was ant eoaaldsosl ninaararr la the time of William 111., hew am it be seesisny Is tranquil this like these? These edits hare ill bun seised is one form, and what posit diotalita ow Mese be to that course? What, ocednuel the web hid, nth the pennon in which wo now stood slat as. the pada= of things in the time ef Wilßen Iltt Was it proper or desirable to mune our Isamu position ? Then it was said that it WU desired to old something to these oaths. They aught to add something to the oath as it existed in the reign sf King William 111. But why and what were the words? The words were, tt Without vocation , end on the 171110 hash dsChrislisa." Why were words added— for what pupil, seen they introduced? The hieteri of the trammeling wee weliknown. The wards were allied becalm thsy wipe amddlned more binding an the emeciansen if des ßow Whalen sod in eeneolsenee et the illeseeerf penlinshme hed min inharlha heads of Garnett and Arm win was annented la the oh gusgserder an t a t They wets beethed in the oath hi s nark Int which no longer existed; and 'at It w ideal le those words that bad been expunged in the edam el Waken 111. Then let them consider what wall be the Mkt of the emu. Mon of these words. His noble friend said that it month admit aliens—that by admitting Jews It would alb* Am into the legislature. But the Jewellers sot aline. No so would say that the Jew, of the paint d who were be. in this country was aliens le the eye tithe law, The question had been decided some years ego. A cam mate upon which the opinion of the law 101411 was tabs—Na noble and learned bind (Broughton) unapt themes is whether Jews born ha this country were alien, by ranee of their religion, and whether they were entitled to hold lands. The judgment wee moat distinctly that they were not aliens, that they were entitled to hold lands and enjoy all the other rights and privilege, of her Majesty's natural horn subject.. That being so, whet would be the effect of retaining the. words? An unconstitutional exclusion of three persons from their legal rights—an exile/rein not by • direct set concurred in by both hum. of parliament and the sovereign, but by a side wind. In the case of " Miller and Sitlinnenr," in the Le chequer, two of the most learned judges of the, court laid down the principle upon which they ought to proceed. They said if parliament thought proper to exclude the Jews from the legielature they ought to do so, not in this wuv, by • .ode wind, but by a direct set of parliament. For )timed( he could not underetand upon whet ground. the insertion of the words could be j emitted. It could not be with a view to any security against ltoman catholies—they could not inert them with the avowed object of excluding the natural born eubjerte of her Majesty who were Jews—for they had no right, conatitudonally, to do so. If they desired to exclude the Jews, let them do so openly, by a direct rot of the legia biturs. That was the only mo de by which they could con stitutionally or legally exclude them. It was said they were excluded in former time.. He (Lord Lyndhurst) did not believe, when the oath was framed, the Jews were even con sidered. (" Hear, hear," from Lord Derby.) The argument of his noble friend was, that if they were net supposed to be excluded they would have been excluded. (Hear, hum) What was th, effect of that argument ? It came to this, that they did not exclude them by law, but they were sup posed to be excluded. lie held that moo ot the arguments on the other side were answered by a correct elatement of facts; and here the facte were conclusive. His noble friend said if you do not insert there word. in the oath you un christian]uo the leerielatrue. How could the maiseion of the words unchristianise the legielature Ile would wish his noble friend opposite to carry himself back to the reign of William 111., to put himself in communication with those great men by whom the revolution was effected, and he would ea him what sort of a reception did he thick the proporition to omit these words, "on the true faith of a Christian," would meet with from Lord Somers and Lor.l Ilffifax. (liar.) Did King William 111. unehristianiee the legislature during the whole of his reign by striking out theft words from the comb ? Was the parliament le. Christian then than in the succeeding reign, when it was influenced and conducted by Bolingbroke ' • professed infidel ? (Hear.) Was it 14.1 Christian than the corrupt parliament of the reign of Charles 11., when It was influenced by a profligate king and a base and corrupt ministry ? On going further, was the parliament of James I. when the oath was first in troduced and the words inserted more Christian than the parliament of Elizabeth or the rearliement of Edward VI. ? (Hear, hear.) He raked, could there be a doubt upon the mind of any man as to the beta or the justice of the cue Then (and this was one of the principal arguments on the other side) it we. said that the British parliament was • Christian legislature, consequently that Christiana alone ought to be admitted into it. Now, what wan the meaning of parliament being a Christian legislature? It was • Christian legislature, be apprehended, because it represented a Christian country. But what was the meaning of a Chris tian country ? lie supposed what was meant was a country conereting wholly of Chreitians. But were not the Jews en eraential part of the community% Were they not the subjects of her Majesty equally with the Christian pert of the popula tion? And in this Christian country,. which was composed of a great preponderating body of Christiana, but with acme Jews among them, what inconsistency could there be in the legislature being in something like the Name proportion of Christians and Jewess the community it repreeented? (Hear, lea.) But were not the courts of justice also Christian ea well as the legislature? (Hear, hear.) Were not the muni cipal corporations Christian? And were they any the lees so bemuse the one wee presided over by a Jew, and Jew were admitted as members of the other? A Christi= tribunal might be presided over by • Jew, and a Christian corporation —the corporation of the City of London might, and had been, with great e ff ect, talent, and ability, presided over by • gentleman of the Jewish . persuasion. But if, ae was alleged, it was a matter of pr i n ciple that the Jew should not be allowed to form part of a Christian legislature, let them see how that principle had been acted upon. lie believed his noble friend had said that there were cue. in which they ought not to play fast and 10., but should ad here etrictly to principle. What had been the course par liament had pursued in reference to thes question of admit ting Jews on menders of • Christian legislature ? Their lo dships bail misted in framing and funning a constitution for Canada. Many of the right reverend prelate. took part in the measure, and he had a right to presume that it wee carefully considered. They bad not introduced en oath for the purp . of excluding Jewe from the legislature of Cs nada ; but ems that legislature less Christian on that ac count ? Was it not aa much Christian as the legislature of this country. notwithstanding that a gentleman of the Jewish religion —a man distiogniehed by his high character, his extensive attainments, and his general information, wee one of its moat prominent members. (Hear, hear.) But how, if it was • matter of principle to exclude Jews from • Christian legislature, could they reconcile to their con elem.. the admissionof Jews to thelegielature of Canada? It might have been en oversight; the subject might hare been foten at the time. Well, but at • subsequent period bad to deal with the constitution of Australia. Was not Australia • Christian country as much as England, or did they eat less value on Christianity in one part of the empire dm another ? They framed the constitution for Aus tralia—thee framed the legislative body. Did they wi pe«, an oath to prevent Jews rotting in that legislature? It was never even suggested. They framed the constitution of New Zealand, and the constitution of the Cape of Good Hope. In none of these cares was any attempt made to ex clude Jews (em the legislature. It might, and probably would, be said that if any restriction had been proposed par liament would not have seceded to it; but was not that the strongest orpiment against the retention of the disqualife fug words in the present case? Were not the legislature. of those colonies, framed as they had been by the imperial parliament, a continued protest against their attempting to avail them selves of those words for the purpose of doing that by a side wind which they could not accomplish by direct means? It bed been raid by • learned and excellent friend of his in the other house, and repeated by his noble friend Earl Derby, that this WAS not • qua etion of religious freedom, but • ques tion of power. Analyse that argument and i.e what it mounted to. What was religious liberty in the emu taken by his learned friend in the other house and by his noble friend Lord Derby? Religious liberty meant nothing more than religious toleration. What was the true definition of religious liberty as thus understood? It was that no man's opinions, white they were fraught with danger to the mate, or antes. some paramount end generally admitted came cereal, ought to affect his right to hold civil office. His learned friend, able and upright as he was, had not in this mama taken • true view of what wee religion, liberty. The presence of bin noble and learned friend (the Lord Chan cellor) reminded him of • bill that noble and learned lord brought in two years ago, the object of which we. to strike out of the statute book certain penal laws. The mumble of that bill laid down distinctly the doctrine he (Lord Lyud buret) wan now contending for. That measure having penned a second reading, was referred to • commission, com posed of the moat eminent legal men of the day, and they, while they amended some of the enact ing clauaes, retained the preamble end affirmed the principle. Ho would call their attention to what had been done in regard to other countries—he alluded especially to Turkey. It was well known that Christians were not allowed until recently to hold Aloe in the Turkish dominions! His noble friend opporite (Clarendon) argued with the go vernment of that country, and his arguments prevailed—he urged upon that government the true principle of religious free dim, and they yielded to his arguments, and pronounced a decree, placing Christians on the same footing as Turks. And that measure, theeffebratedhattbscheriff, allowingChris time to hold office in a Mahumetan etate, was not only sanctioned by the government but approved by parliament, and he would undertake to say was approved also through out the country. (lcer, hear.) Could there he a stronger sanction of the principle he bad laid down? laer hear.) Were they then to urge principlles of religions freedom on foreign goveminenta without putting the same principles in maw themselves ; and if they did, would they not be justly chargeable with duplicity, hypocrisy, trickery, mid want of candour? (Hese, hear.) Nobody pretended to say that in point of talent or information, and all other qualities, Jews were not upon • footing of perfect equality with Chris tian.. They had already put them on their trial—they had made the experiment, and had found that Jews were in every way fitted to bold Ulla as well as Christiana. During the last 30yeare they had had them as magietrates end ea members of municipal corporations, and the result had been found in every way utiefactory. They had filled all three positions which usually paved the way to meats in the other home of parliainent, and had proved themselves fully equal to their Christian contemporaries. But then it was mid, how could a man of the Jewish permission vote in the *relators when queetionsuf religionwere under consideration? Thee answer to that objection was, in the first place, that they would not be likely to interfere in any question of doctrine • but • more ratisfactory answer we. that which was made when the same objection was urged in reference to the Roman catholic., when the great measure of catholic emancipation was before parliament. It was then urged, and with some degree of force, that the Roman catholic religion was indirect hostility to ours—that the ROM= catholiee considered that we were usurpers—that the dignities and emoluments of our church had been taken from thew ; it was maid that a princi ple of the Roman catholic religion wee to make proselytes, and that they looked up to a foreign sovereign as their spirituel superior—that he might be swayed by feelings of enmity to thin country, and might use his influence over them to the injury of the state. All these argument. were weighty, and deserving of consideration. All felt that there might be inconvenience and Nome danger, but they said, not- withstanding, that the principle of reason and justice ought to triumph, and accordingly they did triumph, the bill weed, and the evils anticipated turned out now tohave been exaggerated, or altogether unfounded. (Hear, hear.) But what was the cue with regard to the Jew? Was he hostile to our religion ? Was he desirous of making converts? Did he not treat our religion with all respect? Did he aelmow lodge any foreign sovn as having power or influence in this country? Satisfied with having his own religion tolerated, he we. a loyal subject, and did not interfere with ours. It was 26 yens mince this or a similar enema was fleet introduced by • learned friend of his, upon whose character he pissed setae words of deserved eulogy In the lest parliament, which be would not now repeat, but of whom he would nay that there never was an individual in that or the other hones of Parliament more sincere sad consistent upon the saint of religious liberty. Sines that time is anccessive parliamenta, and successive meow, that MINIM bad be brought forward sad carried by large majorities in the other house. In them majorities be found men of all partiee—men at high attain ments, ems of the &A chinetir, men of isorrdsg, philoso phew —men who were exemplar to the country. (Hear, bear.) On the hat occasion—tit the diaelution —they (quad the question firmented prominently to the different tueneies, end the meek in the meiropolie partie e k t f y was that the government candidate who had been returned two or three times before was returned by a majority ferie, ao including a greeter number of members o f th e Jewish pers suasion, than enter' for the noble lord who no long end nm aistently bad fought their battlea. That wee anindieste c e tf the strength of feeling on the eubjort. When the bill come before the /louse of Comment in the wean( parliac i e ct , it was carried, as their lerolehipii were aware, by a insj oety almost double Old of any fo of division on lion. Three were fete not to be Eghtly I. li st ) Ile had often considered, and had venwited on rea ra than one referwern to elate to their lonlphips, opinion of the relative duties of the two homes ;aria meat. The one represented directly the greet error. of the constituency, while that hour. represented the picifle in a more coo manner. Ile ceuld cenceive many • here it might heroine the duty of that Itioisti to intortaa, a check upon the 'townie or initeriture legislatien of the other home of parliament—to afford to that hectic the opportueiry wituridering or abandoning referrer°. of that de« riorion ; but he never cenaillered, except in mores of vital importaure, that the Ileum of Lords ought to set fowl( up sea perpetual barrier against the legiclation propered by the other moo s when the t legislation mss based upon the prinriplm cird and religiouri liberty. No wit. loon Would RUggi.,ii roc I, a course to their lendoltips—fur it was obvious, that oak,. they were oupporti d by the great majority of the people their a fluent, end ueefulnese would be teat. (Hear, hear.) Wits all subruiretion he had now stated his opinions on the bill, and he truotwi that in cling eo he had wed nothing that was in. coneistent with his respect fbr their lerdohipe or hie rim upon the important sublet under distussion. He had beat ' upwards of thirty yeera a member of that heti.; and h a d during that period taken an live part in all those mam ma that had been brought ff reward form time to time for extend ing religious liberty —wove of which measures ho bad ha pelf originated. /loving arrived now at the laic made, ha ; them ant &bur ; let there not log behind every Preteatat state of Europe; hot them act on their former convents; and carry out to their legitimate issue the great principles pi civil and religious fnerlein. (Chyme.) The Earl of WINCIIILSEA said that nearly 30 yam" he had predicted that measures which were then becme, law would lead to the ultimate expulsion of Christianity us distinetive mark of the Ilritieh parliament, and this bill, if d its intety, would be the fulfilment of his pm. rrod in n. lied it (nun divided into two parts, or had ft merely provided for the abolition of wakes oaths, he shield not have objected to it; but its object was to extract the Christianity from the parliamentary oath, and then fore it should have his moat etreetureur opposition. Or had the measure been one to remove freer the l ees every social disability whirl prevented the If enjoyment of their pwition and property, or to give the m purely religious independence, he elmuld have given it kb support ; but he hell that the British legislature had already granted everything which the Jews had a right to expect, and that to go ono step further would be eerirrualy a, comer°. mine the national Christianity. This country bed suffered many dispensation, but in tho main the people won a favoured pecipkc—favoured, Ice believed, for their attackers* to revealed truth. They hall struggled through there various dispensation, but the heaviest diopenmaica of all wee judicial blindness, and that he f believed was about to fell when it was proposed to allow the present bill to become law. Some people he knew mid that the maintenance of Chrioismity was a natter of indifferent u in a legislative point of view, but they had it declared in the revealed word of God, .• There that honor me, I will honour ; them who drapiee me. I Will deepest." Ile therefore earnestly hoped that the voice of that house would stand between the lower house of parliament and this question, and echo what he knew to be the religioua and manly feeling of everything that was estimable in the coun try. Ile should cordially support the amendment of the Lolls earl. The Duke of SOMERSET, who was but indistinctly heerd,wita understood to say that the noble earl who had pm sat down had only repent. d pmpho tee first made by him thirty years before. The noble earl had predicted the ruin of England from the admiseion of Roman esthetics into poker. meat, as now he expected it from the admimien of the Jews, but experience told them that they need not pay very serious attention to their alertuist. The noble earl who hid moved the amendment, opposed the bill on the ground that the Jews were an alien nice, but if so, why had the noble earl consented to theirheing made magidrates, members of municipal corporstions. sheriffs, and jurors? (Hear, hear) The noble earl was willing that the Jew should exert ice ell these important functions, but when he knocked at the does of parliament, the noble earl turned round and told him ha woof another race. It wee twenty-eight years duce that Gil had peesed the House of Commons, and then it was stid they were commencing to unchrisuanise the nation. Bat during the 2.) years that bad elapsed since, more had lam done by the House of Commons to &semi nate Christianity and to twist Christian education than had ever been done before. But more than that. the noble earl who said that the effect of this bill would be to unchristian*, the nation, when he wanted to form a cabinet, went to the men who were its most zealous supporters, and he (the Duke of Somerset) ailed, was it wise thus to make Chnetianity a party watch-word, to be shouted at one time, and east away at another, just as it suited the political convenience of the noble earl ? (Hear, hear.) It had been said. but he could net believe the assertion, that mime ROM= catholic member, of their lordships.' house were going to vote against the bill. He could remember sitting on the stepe of the throne, ad hearing the late Lad Plunket my he would not put his shoulder misled the door to keep out the Duke of Norfolk, and he could hardly believe that the Duke of Norfolk would now he tho man to put his shoulder to the door to keep on the Jews. (Hem, )ear.) The Duke of NORFOLK mid it might soothe inconvenient if he then stated the COWS' he was prepared to pursue on the present oe.sion. The bill before their lordslope, however it might be underetoed elsewhere, he looked upon se a mammy providing for the admiseion of Jews into parliament, and eo he should treat it throughout the entire diseuseion. (Hear, hear.) Of that principle he com pletely approved, as be wished to see that is every country in which diversity of religion was per mitted by law, and where there were etcetera of various sole gione, there should be no restriction on the elector as to the religion if the person for whom he should vote. (Hew, hear.) Ile considered in ebort that it was only an act of jne tiro to admit the Jewe into parliament, but he also looked upon it as an act of expediency, for he euuld not emotive anything more anomalous than a conetant differeere emotion between that and the other house of parliament re the question of whether or no a few members should be admitted into the lower house. (Hear, bear.) He advocated the measure as one of justice and expediency, as he owed to the principle he advocated the honour of addreexing their lordships on that OCCSFAS. (Chem..) Still, while he advocated the principle of the bilk he felt that there were many details to which he most con scientiously object, and which he should endeavour to re move in committee. He should there be prepared to Moro certain amendments; and if them amendments were not mc ceeaftd, ho should then be obliged to give hie vote against the third reading of the bill. But he could not help hoping that there might be ROSH , chance of no altering the bill in tom' 'Mites as to enable him to give to the third evading the fax* support that on the present occasion he meant to give to the second. (Hem, hear.) Lord DI:NOANNON supported the amendment. It wit not the admistiort of a few Jews into the House of Commons that gave him any alert]. Were he asked had he any ape prehension. on that more, he should decidedly answer In; but what he feared was the moral effect that the pacing of such a bill as the present would have throughout the country. His noble friend behind him bed said that the time would come when Christianity would be disavowed by the legislature; he (Lord Dungannon) feared that it me coming fart, and that the IMMOor+ of this bill would be the first great and important step in that direction. Lord CAMOI S mid, with reference to the Roma catholic oath, that that oath had received the unction of the Roman catholic prelates, of the lots Mr. O'Connell, and of all the loading authorities on Homan catholic affairs, and that therefore the Roman catholic. had no right to quarrel with it, although it might be competent for them to corns before parliament and ask for he revieion. That oath had been taken ever since emancipation, and although certain individuals had objected to it. yet on the whole it had formed no bar against the performance by Homan esthe tics of their share of parliamentary duty. If. hoped to see the day when one common ithb would be talcs by all members of parliament, but in the meantime he did not see how, as a Roman catholic, he was bound to oppose the present bill. The bill had two objects —one, the improvement of the pro blatant oath, the other the emancipation of the Jews, man catholic* were distinctly 1' xcepted from its operation. He had beard that exception dmeribed as an insult to Roman ether ' lice, and had been advised tii vote against the bill, or mot at all. But he denied that it was on insult, wing that it lelt the Roman catholics precisely in their present poeitioo ; ad therefore he should not foot justified in opposing the second reading. (Hear, hoar.) Another objection was that the bill enacted new oath.; but that objection he also dissented from. There 'wail no new enactment for Roman catholies--they would * take the same oath they had always taken; and to, having given the subject every consideration, he saw no reason why he should not give hie cordial salient to this bill (Cheers.) Before he kit down, he wished to do an set cd justice to the Roman catholic peers. The advice risen t ° oppmethe bill had not proceeded from them, who wades* put in the same scale a theoretical grievance of their owl with the practical grievance of the Jew, nor would they those principles of religious liberty to which they a owed their emancipation. The catholic peers were will* . extend to the Jews all the privileges which they entel. . themselves. (Cheers.) . Lord STUART I.IE DECIES supported the meth reading, and contended that the question of the adruimetn, of Jews into parliament resolved imelf into one enefell l . religiowi feeling. He thought the Christian character du. legislature would depend for its pernantince not on any Mr' • tkuler form of oath which the legislature should prescribe for its members, bid on the broad fact of the Christian eir• StlaSiOS of the sovereign and the electors. So long as thee remained Christian, so long would they have a vast pert' dee-ethos body of Christi= legiolators to administer the aches of the country, even if they were to maintain no relietou test whatever. As far so the Jews were concerned, lib • Hewed there was no zeal reason why they should be articl „ ed . t from parliament; but there were political and relleing t reasons which ought to induce them to remove from their' , the disabilities under which they at present laboured. Earl St. VINCENT next addressed the house, but io I tone which was inaudible in the gallery. 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