The Express. — London, England, 1853-06-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Turgsnty, Jest:23. The LoUU CUANCELLOtt took his seat at 5 o'clock. II.UTION,RESENT ED. . . BILL.-lord BROUGHAM, from the nal Vier-President of the Unirer•it,. of Loo.lim, prey n i t the house to exempt that university trim the operation of .he Charitable Trusts Bill equally with the Usiver.itire of Oxford, Cambridge, and Durham, TILE FORTSMOU ILL RAILWAY BILL. This bal was rand • this...l time awl paved. NOTICR OF MOTION. The Bishop of OXFORD said that he had to apply to their lord•hios—and he did so with conlid , nee, knowing the readiness with which the house extended its r iurtesy to any 'Mintier who bad a penonal matter to lay before them. He hid to request of their lordships that the Bishop of Ba!ishury be allowed to take precedence in order to move to-morrow night for the production of a copy of a letter dated 11:h July, 1811 , in the hands of the Ncelesiestiesal Commissioners. The object of the motion WAS that his right rev. bnither might have an oppertuni.y of explsining his ronduct in reference to some puidic observations which had lately been rondo upon his personal character. CHARITABLY. TRUSTS BILL. The house then went into committee upon this bill. In clause 63, an amendosint was introduced upon the motion .1 Lord Buounitam, exempting the Universly of London from the operation of the bill. Some verbal ewe ndinents were moved by the Lotto CHAN. rt.ton cad Laid Bt. LEosanus, and the bill passed through committee. TILE INCOME TAX BILL. Oa the order of the day being read fur going into cont rail:tec on this bill, The Earl of CLANCAIITY would say one word as to the ezteneien of this tag tl Ireland, with respect to which he did not tt.inli that the matter had been fully considered. It had been said, and said truly, that where there were equal laws cud equal privileges, there should be equal taxation. He could not acquiesce with those who thought Ireland stood ou an equality with England is laws and privilege.' and hence he thought that in the budget Ireland had been moat unfairly dealt with. The Earl of AIIEEDEEN said as the subject of the ex tension of the income tic to Ireland was discussed on Tues day last, it was unnecessary to return to it. The E irl of CLANCARTY said he did not complain that no relief from taxation had been affirded to belied ; but all he meant to s..y we.. that talcs had been put on Inland in order to relieve the English talpayer. The house then went int. committee on the bill. The clauses up to 13 were agreed to. On dense 1:1, The Earl of WICKLOW gave notice that on the third reading he should rcsive the exclusion of the 13th clause, and substitute one to provide for the assimilation of the as sessment is Ireland to that in England. Clauses up to :f6 were agreed to alter a desultory discus lion. Lord CAMPBELL then said that he protested against the mode in which the income tax was levied in Ireland. He was in favour of the extension of the tea to Ireland, but be objected M its being levied by a self-assessment. It would not be a grievance to extend the tax to Ireland if the system on which it was levied in England was also extended to Ireland. The tax in Ireland was levied on the landlord, and if he got nothing from his rents be must pay 7d. in the pound on the poor law assessment. The bill could not be altered in that house, but he would submit to the go- Imminent the advisability of extending to Ireland the sys tem of levying the tax in England. The Earl of ABERDEEN said the remarks of the noble lord applied to the 13th clause, with regard to which a no tice bad been given by a noble earl, which came on for con sideration on Monday. Tne remaining clauses and the schedules were agreed to, and the house having resumed, the bill was reported, and ordered to lie read a third time on Monday. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented petitions from certain land societies against the Registration of Assurances Bill. The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a petition from &lasso catholic. of Banton, in Lincolnshire, against the in spection of nunnenies. ficeilesiASTlCAL LIVINGS. The Bishop of OXFORD laid upon the table a bill to facilitate the exchange of livings by bishops, archbishops, and eccl ' tieal corporations, which, on the motion of the right rev. prelate, wu read a first time, and the sewed reading tiled for Tuesday. Their lordship. adjourned at twenty minutes past seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—ThuasDAY, Jura 23. Tho Sitzmiza took the elutir at 6 minutes to 3 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. _ The followisgtilil;;;;;re;datiiiiiinie and puma : Cabals Canal and Port Carlisle Railwa ; But Lancashire Railway (No. 2) ; (Southport, ste.) ; gtoo, War *rick and Stratford-upon-Avow Railway ; Leeds Northern Railway, Newport, dbergamuny, sad Hereford Railway ; St. Ices and West Cornwall Jilted= Railway ; Worcester and Hereford Railway. The following bills were aoaddared and ordered to lie 'mos the table :—Dewsbury, Heckniondwike, aid Batley Water ; Monmouthshire Railway and Canal; Nantwich and Wows Road; Waft Cornwall Railway; nth Wilms Miura' Railway ; The following bills were read a woad lima :—Bartilt aid Central India Railway Comp say; Imperial Conti aental Oa (No. 2) ; Loationderey, Enniskillaa, and Sligo Railway (No. 2) ; BEM NOWISE RESERVOIRS BILL. Mr. BROfilitaOliMeviiii ib;tilrif rumbas al this hill. . . . . . . — us. COBDEN prenatal s petition missed by 1,200 bi labial's@ K Mslaistb i oleo pstitisa sited by de! abalmsa of a issWis shads. at Nolsafirth ; sad am .laM g a l men motall aid 14 imimphos of mills Is the district, &Oast of tbo ACt il osos. The h givido&-_ retbetiiitdieso44; 129 Aphid it PUBLIC BUSINESS. ELECTION COMMITTERS. Mr. HUTT brought up the report if the Tamales Com mittee, wink bat third, appeared is the Express. Lord D. STUART sawed that the avian.* before the Liverpool Committee be prated. I(. a to. 11114 CH made • nailer modem with moped to the Tomatota 15411,14 y, tad that wm Mee agreed to. THE INDIA BILL. The ardor el ths - d - sili;;Wei esearittas is this bill haviag bra no& Kr. M. 01111014 • petition her the Idar abeam' Carew sit Caste ezpermiag the errata die eriefeeties of .as petitioare et the wart of par goers. seat is itrltla tied* Gad earailliz ie lt: the W in esahl. not 'mortar say hops boa tho •_ bow that thy farm peveraarab maid 111,11edlef 111ey signified (boil'er's( Min that a periba ..snap .f ladi. be (nerd to intereel isarievesseat. nem that le rio spot essiestrari wan sad tentreled Gs grailisereat; sad they senainded by prsyiag art a esa. Omura bill should los prod far two year only. The right boa. geatleraa pr.rs t.d • similar priers imin tbo Conneriol of Moaebetter—erlie two bodies together migrated •31 the varied pease Wow Nod in tie quake. Mr. BLACKITT peesored • petition be the ears Week from the Clisiabst of Corineno he Mayoras. fiareped. .s 4 Shields. _ . — ti. C. WOOD s awed the nosed readier spas which Led STABIL/1T proptlin the &Bann sandman : " Mak a the nen el this hens s nen inareestien is anomaly. to *sable penmen to Infant with adeni ne for the penmen geveleasat ef ladle ; aid that, at this law period ef the stain. it is imennisat w nand , with a sneasare whisk, well, it Minn *Medea amen nets, nen be easeidored as a LAM settleasat." The eon lord thee presened to make a greet mean , of nernatien het be did is is sash • low sad landed ten ef nick that it was rally impossible for say en is the galley to say enetly what the eon Ladd neat is awry; het how the fragmeatary ' teatimes that sine heard is is eonectend that he aimed I , the hone, it was by as men ea a metier of wane, bet from a real holies ef the eseserity odor whin he ley he their henna. that ha natured to appeal to the ie. dainass of his. members on both ades. The right boa. bar net the President of the Board of Centel, vim he Minden the bill, had eartaialy sot laid limn! egos, either is dacrihiag the provisions of the sonars or in the statement in whin it was brought hewn e to the sharp of basin hind to ',plain with eel lein Manna kh views apes awry qiestisa of ladies policy. The entitles. gentleman, with great ability and inanity, bad pared the oh,.',e history of the British administration la Ink through review ; bet it would not be neormary (orbits (the ante kord) to follow him through his spree), or indeed Omagh any 41.10. side. able pert of it. The abject of the eminent, of which he had gives notice, did not deal at all with the question " How is the futon goverameat of India to he carved en ? " He did an ask the house to pass say ver dict, either of ensue or acquittal, apes the adniaistratioa of the East India Company ; aor did he ask them to ex press any opinion, either of approval or condensation, epee the 'titers of double government On the contrary, the whole scope and taming of his =indent was to show that it was not at that moment candlelit or advisable to come to a &elates upon any of these subjects. (Bear, ' hear) Lie asked them only to affirm that now, towards the close of a protracted session—that now, when the pubis opinion of India could not Le elicited—that now, whoa public opinion in England opon the question of the Indian constitation could hardly be said to be matured ; and that now, above all, when the committee which was bitting upon the subject had not 'sported to the house the decision to which it had case, it was not el/wheat, it was not advisable, it was hardly por Bible, to legislate upon the permanent government of India. (Cheers.) The rowel parliament bad met math sulier than usual. They had met early in Novi:mist r, and sat six weeks. They then adjourned and re-asambled &win In February. They had sat continuously since then, and they had now, in the month of June, entered upon the discus sion of one of the largest and most important measures thet during the last twenty years or the last h .It century, hid ever been submitted to the house. (Hear, hear) 0. course, it might he said that, considering the momentous character of the Lill, and the deep ins rest takes in it ht the public, it would be no great sacrifice on the part of par . liniment it it were to protract its sittings even a little longer. But it parliament ruse about the 10th of Awn', their nes -I{i,./0 would have lasted nine months with only two brief intervals; and be did not think it would be r.mvunable— certainly he did not think it would be justifiable that psi !dissent would cansent—to 'steed their Bitting.; further. (liver, he ir.) Besides he could not conceive anything more injurious to the character of the house than that they should sit almost permanently, and should have no, or but short, intervals, in which to look bark upon what they had done and to consider what they ought t, do in future. Ile I did not think, therefore, that it would be desirable to pro tract their sittings beyond neat August; and would they, lwithin six weeks or two months, at the moat, of that time, and when they had so much other business before them, undertake legislation upon such a subject? (Hear, hear.) Tnere was no measure of anything like the same magnitude that hail been hurried through the legisla ture in so short a period as was proposed to be as signed to this. (Hear, hear.) Nor was this all. It might have been said with respect to the eases lie hail quoted that they related to subjects upon which the.public opinion had already been formed. That certainly vivid net be argued in the pees. cat case. (Cheers.) Nearly all the witnesses yet examined had been civil or military servants of the Company—(cheers)—and a barge proportion or them were persons who had re tired from that service. (Hear, hear.) The state t f public opinion at borne might be described as a general [soling of dintatirfaetionwith the manner in which the govern-'' meat of laths had been carried on. There was a general impression that some change was desirable, but there was an equally general ignorance as to tho proper nature of that change. (Hear.) Ile was therefore perfectly justified in de ' teribing public opinion as not yet sufficiently d, and is saying that it was quite necessary that they should not deal with the subject without the report of the committee. (Cheers.) But it had been argued that although the com mittee had not concluded their labours they had taken all the evidence they intended on the subject of the constitu tion, and that therefore they might proceed to legislate upon this without waiting fur the rest. But that was an utterly erroneous view. A tree was only to be judged of by its fruit, and an silministration only by experieace. (Cheers.) It had been aid by a member of the government in another place, that if they were to wait for full in formation it would involve a delay, not of weeks or months, but of year.. This might be true ; but it would be just as wise to urge that it was useless to attempt to master the subject at all. (Hear, hear.) It was said there was great danger in euspeoding legislation on account of the agitation to which it would give rise in India. He saw no danger of the kind. Tne agitation referred to could not mean physical force agitation. He did not believe that there was any single instance of a serious disturb exec or agitation in India ever since it had been is the possession of this country. (Hear, hear.) Legislstion with regard to India had been frequently sus pended before, and the government had been put upon its trial. T his had been known to the natives of India, just as well as it was now - but on no former occasion bad any agi tation been produced. The case was the same in 1793, 1813, and 1E33; but there had been no agitation. He did not believe that anybody seriously entertained such an ap prehension ; for there was no reason why any disturbance or agitation should take place. Let them consider the un warlike habits of the people. Then there was no such thing as an Indian nationality. The Ilindoo would not trust the Mohammedan, nor the Mohammedan the Hindoo. The result of the whole policy pursued by the East India Company had been to diminish, as far as possible, the num ber of eminent, indueetial, and wealthy men amongst the natives. (Cheep) At that moment, if there were an in clination to create • disturbance, it could not be done. Osl the other hand, we had a great and powerful army la the country, a distinct nationality, and men of talent' and erpenence in the management of affairs. Within the last few years any iadependent states had been subjs. gated and. conquered ; and after once laying down theft AMP. they had risen again in revolt subset Ger ens thority. It was not reasonable to suppose that the SIMPONS, after seeing their native governments destroyed, sad theft kingdoms passing into our hands, would, became we were alma to makes change, of which it was probable the great mass of the people in India knew nothing, be stimulated to say insurrectionary movement. But it might le said that agitation as it prevailed in England would be excited in India. Even if the natives did begin to petition that house, stating that they wanted roads and other matters, he did not think that any great inconvenience would result from suck an agitation as that. (Hear, hear.) On the contrary, he believed that when people were led to take interest in their own public affairs, so far from creating any dan gerous disturbance, their doing so would materially assist is carrying on the government. If any thing world tend to tepee and put • stop to all physical force agitation, it would be the knowledge that, whatever their gnevanees, rod or supposed, they had • con stitntional remedy in the legislature of this country. (Hear, hear.) It was said that by delay false lopes would be ex cited in ladia. The right hoe. baronet (Sir C. Wood) had himself admitted that his measure was only provisional, and abet if it did not work well, it mast be altered. He could ads land the danger 'nisi from • provisional state of =; het he meld not emilinstand how that argument s he treed in mem of the government measure, which was sanduesdly _prallissal. (Haar, bier.) He believed that the meek that thos patting the gevesamest of India on its trial wed* be Is ewe all who were employed under it to work with th thersand sense of seeppinibility, and a duke to set their beams is order. He now same IP soma open the messy of the deft his, hie s. It esalathed may reckless, fa the psephstiof vide all = a i r mem which be regarded is WV ohleelisa ounmented maws the Imo, the assess fee saesasegaw the formadas of real% Ike law islimmtp the miabibithist of a liglides mead! h Wk. and the of a law manias to sit it a IftellE T l e= l f them premeds did be - MIMI. say Bat the the. p? eoliths of the bill sum able; be Aida amsenewal ef Iss &Mr ter a Aglaia parka, tingles Om the ilispesal ere sad the ratans IMINIMIONI aft b11.1.11“11111/16L PIlie ll mitring that an Wielism, at on tams sad is all esoneds; most be to a swath Meat szpaimiatal; yet this did Est justify the geearamsat in proposing; • ammo whisk mine of enmity be eland at ea early Fried. It mild have Ma Wirt to have taken a dud Ms of years, ad to have said " Bs this India. sessiiritE: er bad, it shall ben • fair trial." His seams he anise Ibis paha wak tha is so pest mamas estimate t ' melt be effigusol le the how lisa inmedk after the pressed sesies. Amidst the pest gmeeleas pWiwitheasn sad law piths that wars soft& the wass of ladle mad sifted My a se mien theseaft. Tbe Meliat a mamma of • sans tied matt be premed this mien bad Mimi M ementrate a pests absent of &Umlaut as the althea ladle than they meld Mendes have waived. Mla , he be. bend thee the g wags lad bees very mob belem tbs. it maid be ea the renamed system (Hese; to plass softens ae same alpinism,' in phase Made was net adWated es gee- Ruth the public ineeraMs. They gave to sada dinars • Ina piellsetly thadoenat• te the sunless he bad to eift kg eansaisusatlybdi palithesp. urrd wi n • mas woe thinly eel 55 1 0 .11 0 between thiwr clams mama madisese, is, he. this biles a patellas' sesibresd egos hi., is mill Women his Mien. (Bear.) Wheathag Saw the was him end gam idat • Mamma sesse eirialrie mallard that of • alert I. a palls ease. seelm—aellithe the slightest blame to the tadividnil that he was allowed • large disasselia la th ass" :l2ll i ef that plump foe prime TM Nemo Vso espethat laming m Wi l‘ w mantel Millther* 11"4, f t win ser the = b ' that the tine* papas seer theihb leskle ae the MOM prepaid. end ibe system la opennies, it appeared le him thee the alma reform prima was absolutely dimeepaillthele the vitamin with width it was istredeeidi in the Meek I. the last 15 yams the armon bad easth_sibilthibneed military aff$110.111011; every ditester bed at his dia rood 10 such annually, and am and a has ties of civil egral. Ljpeab_the aggregatevales of whist was about 4,61 H. (Rm. Mar.) By the wow IMAM. la stead OA IWO veil be 18 dirseton ; so lithiber= age waimi me left tb Ma mad be suet.lthellsr umber ; and Mend of 10, Ormasr would have IS military appoiatents petimam (Hear, c i vil to ic e ,swamis whisk filmy premed ea deal with the esr le ail not kr a mo mat desy that the introduces= of the pridliple of emu* titlon was a very great imprevement. (11ser i berA) Na wee far from toadstools' the plan of the goner meat In this respect, though be thought, that great amities' dam& die would be mouldered is earning it eat. First, as the empatitioa wee entirely ems, be soreheaded that the sp.' girlwould be memeak Besew same le the & Me right ben. lama te deal mil= Mims emenuaent, and that bivalved the aimi theallea of a doable or gmerunmet. Whatever be said ea rint the se-= Amble govssamthe he s t never any eehaffile poppuell for the geesement of laths which did not to • essemia Moat semisla that pia dol.. It was proposed te establish a ~,as.,, 'med in India, not, as be understood, to mew the piths of a secretary of state, bat to be in r ims with the home government, by whom it w Is sine masons controlled ; and just in prepsthien as its Ms were controlled by the hoses gthesamsne would Me nets= of double government prevail. (Hear, bow.) He thought that whether there was to be a double or a giggle government of India, the first thing necessary was that there should be real responsibility. (Hear, haw.) Now the i nassal of the government was that one-third of the ma of the Court of Directors should be nomi nated by the crown, with permission to have seats in the legislature. He thought that a most unwise provision, be mem It mu impossible in such circumstances that they Meld not be under the infisence of the :insister of the dry. Ho was not now asking the house to pledge itself ae l to what was to be the nature and charaeter of the future rverument of India, but he hod no hi citation in saying that' ' If they were about to introduce a reform into the admirals- Motion of loilia,no reform would be complete;or would des terve the name of reform, which would leave untouched the Court of Proprietors. (Hear, bear.) There was a great deal to be said, and • great deal had been said, in favour of the double government, but he never beard um against adduced in defence of the present constitution aim Conet of Proprietors. They had no responsibility, they had no THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING. JUNE 24, 11153. particular interest in Indian aff tira, they exerci-ed no eontrol over the Court of Directors who were electtal by them. (Hear, hear.) The right honourable gen lemon proposed the introduction of a bye.law, by which the system of canva.sing for seats in the Court of Directors was to be abolished. The qua in of minimise war no doubt a great and s.rious evil, because it tended to keep good men out ; but he thought the provision for put ting en end to it would be towel to be completely nugatory. (Hear, hear.) Ile objected to the measure because it was not simply a measure of continuance, Ind because it would aggravate the evils of the tenting system, by th en using the p weer of the 11 'aril of Control, and depriving the Court of Directors of that re sponsibility which should attach to them, and made them more dependent than ever on the government of the day. The right hon. gentleman reviewed the whole system of the administration of India, and he complimented the ' Board of Directors for the manner in which they had con ducted the government and affairs of that greet empire. Ile (Lord Stanley) did slat complain, and was not surprised that the right hon. gentleman should endeavour to place their conduct in the fairest possible light. Ile would not follow the right hon. gentleman at length into that large subject. But with regard to the foreign relations and policy of the Indian government, he did not hesitate to say that he knew any empire which was so little exposed to the danger of foreign invasion, because there were only two points of 100 miles in extent by which it was possible to penetrate into Asia. Yet notwithstanding this compara tive security from external aggression, for fifteen years sines the renewal of the last charter, India was in a state of war, so that whilst peace seemed to be the normal condition in other countries, war seemed to be the normal condition of our government in India. (Hear, hear.) But when ho heard the defence so often set up i n j us tification of the wars carried on in India namely, that they were wan of defence and not of aggression, he confessed he felt some surprise, for his read ing of recent Indian history was quite different from those persons who set up this defence. (Hear, hear) He would admit, for the sake of argument, that the government of India was not desirous of provoking wars, but he had no hesitation in saying that every one of their recent wall in India might be traced to the policy pursued by the Indian government. He was not prepared to say that the Indian go vernment were not responsible for the lives and money which were wasted in these wars. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman passed rather lightly over the finan cial administration of the Indian government. And he was not surprised at it, because anything more unsatisfac tory then their administration in this respect since the »- newel of the last charter could not well be conceived. (Hear, hear.) It was notorious that between the years 1838 and 1850 three was not a single year, with the exception of 1849 and 1830, in which a deficient y in the revenue did not exist. But it was said—" Look how the revenue bas increased of late years." Why, to be sure, it was natural that the amount of taxation should increase with the extension of the area from which it was to be drawn, and with the Punjaub and Seth& and other territories recently acquired it was not matter of surprise that the amount of money received should be increased. But the question was whether the revenue had increased in a greater proportion than the amount of population and extent of territory acquired. After some further observations, Lord STANLEY said— He had endeavoured to show that the house was not in a position to legistate at the present moment; he had endeavoured to show that the dangers which it was sup posed would arise from delay were more imaginary than real; he had endeavoured further to show that the govern ment measure was not as it professed to be, one of searching reform, inasmuch as it dealt only with existing arrange ments; and lastly, taking one after another, the principal branches of Indian administration, he had endeavoured to . . . . prove, what was undoubtedly his 'firm opinion, that what ever the Indian government might hare done, in whatever respects it might have been successful—and be did not deny that it had been successful in many respects—there was in its administration, as conducted for the last 20 years, ample room and sufficient cause for strict and searching in vestigation and inquiry before the house either passed a verdict of approval as regarded the East India Company or left is their hands the powers which they still possessed. (Loud cheers.) On the question being put, Mr. LOWE said he could not but express his apprehen sion that the latter part of the noble lord's speech bad tended to divert the attention of the house front the real question before it. The question raised on the second reading of the bill was whether or not they were to deal with the future government of India. The question raised by the noble loru was the preliminary one of whether they were to go into the question at all, and though be had no doubt that the noble lord, in introducing it, acted in con formity with a sense of duty, yet he could not but think that before the debate closed the house would have came to regret that he had done so. He feared that throughout the debate they would be bandied shout between the preliminary question and the main question, and he thought it most expedient that the house should keep to the issue raised by the government (Hear, hear.) He bad to complus that the noble lord bad not only intro-- dossed the preliminary question, but after urging such arguments as he thought fit in favour of the amendment, had died into others which were quite beside the quer 4to was in substance what should be the form of the smorament. The noble lord's amendment wee peculiar in its phramology. The first part of it, the noble lord's own admission, did not bear on n before the house at all ; and the offered -a 'mem which seemed to his quite inadequate. The amendment was this—" That, in the opinion of this house, information is necessary to enable parliament to to with advantage for the permanent government of ,tire Now what had that to do with the question Isteeie ? ( Hear , bear.) The noble lord had told and over again that they were legislating for the lelC=nt of India, and he wadi that en s i ure. If that were the ease, the first daleleinf the emeadment bad nothing to do with the qui,- ii" Ave the government were net proposing a permanent measure, sad why it was inserted he meld not imagine, sales it was with the view of introducing the popular topic, that there was aot saltiest information. The long part of the amendment was equally puseling—" And that at titillate period of the session it is inexpedient to proceed with a meson; "—he should ham supposed that the noble lord was going to say " • measure °flumes's magnitude"—that they were going to bath mother allusion to a permasiat measure, but the words were—" to proiteedwith a mea sure wh ich, while it disturbs existing arangementa, can not be considered as a final settlement . " (Hear, hear.) The "late period of the session" might be a very good rea son foe sot going Into a measure of a permanent character, bat surely the feet that the measure was sot of a perm neat character, that it did not aim at settling everything, was a reason which told them otherwise. (Hear, hear.) The first part of the resolution, therefore, appeared to him not to apply to the bill at all ; while the awed part afforded a reason for doing exactly the contrary of what the noble lord wanted them to do, (Hear, hear.) But, peering that ever, be would call the attention of the home to the stet* of the cam with regard to this measure. They ail knew that last year parliamentary committees were moinated by the late menace% to investigate the subject of Indian government. The noble lord said it was not the intention of the late government, bad they re mained in office, to legislate for India daring the present. melee, or, at all events. until the committees had made' their report. Bat, let the house observe that the late go segment did sot let the committees separate until they had obtained from them a quasi report, in which they shad that. so far as the evidence had extended, their ism peados was favourable to the empany ; and looking at the eiremstmees of the me*, and especially tionsiderieg the greet cosmiesoe of having a measure passed daring the rasest sissies, he was of opinion that. had the t remised is ofloe, they would have pee- during this Bessie, a bill for the renewal of the *dim goverment. The noble lord was, he submitted, sow taking a course in opposition, which he would not have taken in office. The noble lord said it was quite un =sited that a imam of this kind should be brought so late in the session. This bill was introduced net the 9th of Julie. He had referred to the books to see at what period the bills of 1813 and 1833 were introduced ; he fined *et the bill of 1813 was Let/educed on the 18th of Ism, seven days later ; and that the bill of 1833 was introdseed es the 16th of Jane, six dope later. (Hoer, _hear.) fio that the present government would sot rave ' by a comparieen with their predecessors, with regard to the period of proposing the renewal of the char ter. (Hear, hear.) In 1813, parliament had not only to deal with t he government of India, but with the monopoly of the ;sae trade ; while in 1633 it had to settle the com plicated 'seethe of the monopoly of the Chia* trade, sad the WON on which the Last India Company should mem to be a minunercial company. (Hear; hear.) Notwithstand lag this, however, the present government were at least six or sews days mom virtuous than their. pretheeseme. (Lseghter,) _ The noble lord had reminded thp hem that be India Bill of 1784 wee before the how, forright months. The cineusetaam of the cm were peculiar. The bill re sulted. as was well known, in the destmetion of the Fox and North ministry, and wises Mr. Pitt emeesthd to elks the subject was again introduced. He thought that so far as mangy was concerned be had now disposed of thet i r s. den. The noble lord said the Reform Bill and the i ' eleatiesl Titles Bill occupied a great deal of time. That was very tree, and the reason was perhaps a lamstable ' oae. They knew that the amount of time which was re rixd. to pass a bill through parliament depended en tae of interest which it excited among large mem of the English people, and the manner M 'bid) they . pressed members to take part in the IMP mum If he were required to prove how lithe interest comparatively this subject excited, it would be enough to refer to the comparative thinness of the house during the delivery of the noble lord's own address. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord said there was ignorance and there was indecision io England upon this subject. That there was a considerable amount of ignorance he (Mr. Lowe) ad mitted ; but it did not appear probable that if they waited a year or two the ignorance which existed would have bees removed. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the second point, the alleged indecision, he must say that those who had direzted their attention to the subject were far from appear ing undecided. (Hear, hear) Whatever might be the difficulties, ant he admitted that they were many and various, of dealing with Indian affairs, the question was one upon which men who entered into the subject at all took up and pronounced the most decided opinions. The noble lord said the house ought to have the opinions of more of the civil *errant' from India. Why, th .y had banqueted on such opinions to satiety, (Laughter) They had had collectors, judges, civil officers of all kinds, who could give them any information. On this point he must remark that though gentlemen who had resided in India in an official capacity gave most admirable and accu rate information with regard to a particular district, they did not appear to have troubled themselves much about the rest of India. (Hear, bear.) Though it might be a para. don, he believed it to be true that for a general knowledif.. of India as a v hole—not of particular parts—they should look rather to England than to India, rather to those who bad been placed at the head of Indian affairs than to those rho had been employed in administering the affairs of par ticular districts. (Hear, bear.) The noble lord had re marked that the East India Company was on its trial ; that the committees had not yet reported, and that the question ought not to be decided till they had. He omitted to state that the jury had interposed with a verdict of acquittal. It was hardly to be expected that, after (wing that, they would turn round and declare that they were wren,, sail that they now wished to convict the accused. The noble lord , then went into a long argument with regard to the present state of India, and declared that he did not see any danger of agitation or insurrection. lie (Mr. Lowe) did not per ceive any symptoms of insurrection ; but he thought it ape aially desirable that at the present time the government of India should be u strong and as much respected by the population as potsible. Ile would state very brit fly his reasons for holding that opinion. He saw the Eastern world, from one end of it to the other, in a state of commo tion, there being such a movement all over Asia as had not been witnessed for centuries. If they looked to the western part of Asia, they would find a quarrel between Turkey and Russia Going • little further south, they found all Arabia pervaded by • fanatical spirit—Arabia, which hail once conquered Asia, and was on the point of conquering Europe. if they went to the north they found Bokhara in imireement. The empire of China, after bring asleep for WI years, was in a state of insurrection and rebellion ; the result of which, in relation to Asiatic minds and to coter minous countries no one could predict ; and then, coming southward, they found themselves engaged in • serious and apparently interminable war with the Burmese. (Ironical cheers.) He confessed he should admire the patriotism of hen, gentlemen more if they had not cheered in that man se/. (Hear, hear.) Under these circumstances, he thought it was the bounden duty of parliament to end to make the Indian government respected. (Hear, hear.) The only reason which the noble lord assigned for a delay of two or three years was that parliament had reason to doubt whether the present government of India was a good one. He (Mr. Lowe) would put it te the house whether a state of suspense was likely to be favourable either to the prestige of English power in India or to the obedience and subordination of the civil servants—(hear, hear) — whether, on the contrary, it was not likely to weaken their hold on India at a moment when it ought to be held with the firmest hand sad exposing them to dangers of which no man could fore see the result. The noble lord might perhaps retort, that the gerverument had exposed themselves to that objection by esonecncing the bill with the words, " Until parliament shell make further provision in that behalf' . Let the house observe the distinction between the two cases. By putting off the matter for two or three years they would be in reality prolonging the period of trial, inviting every one who had anything to say against the form of govern ment to come forward, and at the same time expressing themselves a grave conviction that the system was not a good one. (Hear, hear.) If the form of government were not good, let it be changed ; but to destroy • prestige which had commenced with the time of Lord Clive, would be extremely reprehensible. On the other hand, what the government said was this—" We have made the best provision that our information and in telligence will enable us to do for the government of Jodie, but we are not wedded to what we have done, and we are willing to listen to any complaints which may be made." In fact, they did not, like their predecessors, propose to tie up their hands for 20 years, they did not intend to let any humour swell till it was full grown before at'empting to apply a remedy. (Hear.) He could not help remarking, that when the noble lord came to deal with the bill itself, he did not appear to entertain any very strong objections to it. (Ministerial cheers.) He mentioned, indeed, one or two provisions as objectionable ; hut to the general scope of the bill he did not appear to be opposed. The noble lord was in favour of the principle of double h ear, hear)—though he did not state what he meant by it. What ke (Hr. Lowe) meant by double government was this, that whereas one body had the costrol and responsibility, the government was circled on in the name of anotherhody. The noble lord also made some minor objections, which did not go to the principle of the bill. These were mitten for consideration when they got the bill. Then as to the patronage, the noble lord should eon dder that much more of the patronage was taken away than he had given credit for. The admiaaion to Addiscombe was to be open to public competition, which would take sway front the company about 90 appointments in the year, and therefore the noble lord's calculation as to patronage was hardly correct. The noble lord said, "Ifit be right to take away part of the patronage, why not take all?' But, this was a great experiment, new to this country—that of opening public appointments to competition; and, seeing that the principle it was to supersede had in practise worked well, it would not be right to establish the new one completely, until there had been taken some preliminary test of its efficacy. That rule was especially true as regarded the military service. In the civil service the principle l a competition could not go wrong, but they often found that the best soldiers were men who had not particularly distinguished themselves at examinations in early life. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the civilians, the noble lord's suggestion with regard to re children of officers would pro bably be adopted. With regard to the civil service gene rally, the course of the government was beyond all contro versy right. The civil suttee of India was different from all others. In other places if you got an incompeteat civil servant, soother might assist him in his duty, but in India thin wee an enormous amount of individual responsibility Ilintert IPS every servant of the Company. A collector seedto any district might not only collect the reve al" but also inflict misery on thouunds of hems Wise The most sacred duty of government, therefore, Wee wee eacesfy es get penmen of average ability In 4ine diemilens. lot to get the very best men that 111111 U bud, and so to sacrifice the interests of the eeestry te Mends, relatives, or political connexions. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Lowe) had heard is another place, a noble lord with infinite eloquence and I gn orance plead the sum fe Ignorance. The noble lead had stigmatised the public examinations as the greatest absurdity that be devised, and said that a deeply learned man was of all others the moat unfit for the business of the world. That was en wady not the ezperienie of that house, where they lamed that the men who were the leaders of party, sad who influenced ales destiny of nations, were I ace ism who had most distinguished the mselves at the ealversities. (Hear, hear.) It wee all very well to talk of the system of cramming. He knew something of that system. (A laugh.) Then was no doubt a great deal lio sash ertimmist at mu universities, but the reason was OM as semaisatime hi into the hands of the same elan ▪ and seseetiems the same men who bad prepared an peptic There was si sort of oral tradition banded dowa ',bleb was not to be bind is the books, and which formed the staple of moat summations. A number of curious points ware handed down, in the same way that problems were called by the mime of the man in Cambridge who had invented them, a sort of discipliner moans, in deed, he was happy to think that may dodges of that kind of his — own investimc were still cherished at Cambridge with his name -hafted. (Loud =it) That was a very bad system, but It used net y Near, since the examinatisa wadi is natal 4s by ematetent men, sad sot on any mom gejoimilla system. (Hear, hear.) Bat the let Sam sensate was important foe another nese& sea men dielsemkte in the evidence than the teellmesy Mae ails" el friendly feeling between the Euratom" end oilves. New what he was going to my might impair Mita to the home, bat he believed that there was a eimamiea between the Intellectual and morarfacalties ke the hums mirsd. sad that ignorant* and stupidity were Aft the arms of Olivetti's% of inferiors. The ignorant nun WWI den apes the person of another ram ; but the adam of Welled leaked upon him ae an object of cariosity ef empathy a Wag to be studied and appreciated ; and, is lie point of view, the advantage of intellectual tultivatioa was, is his epilog, important. He had now gene through as much of the noble lord's speech as ap- Clse him bear on the bill, bat had avoided that to patios which, in his opinion , had nothing to do with it. He knew, however, enough of mercantile affairs to tell the sable lewd that freights to Madras were much Searajoll. than is. Lad STANLEY said he had spoken of a partioular ease, end not of the general rule. He had mentioned a particu lar cargo having gone out at that rate. Dlr. LOWE said, returning to the bill, that Its thought he bad shown there was no case for delay, and without sayieg the bill was good or bgd, he eontended that the sub set one the house ought to entertain, and which might very well disposed of in the present swims. They should look at the question as it was likely to affect the people of India. Even if the ministerial bill were not now ught forward, the people in India would act on the pre ' samptien that its peovielons would be carried out, and the efest on the company would be most injurious, leaving then W it were half condemned, and restrained frees doing many useful thinp which they would be otherwise inclined to do. There were many impotent Worms, such as the regulation [of furlough and the changes in the judicial system which the company might enter upon at once if they were not hueg up and paralysed by the delay of legislation. Education also would be parelymd, and Haileybury would not know what was to be its future system of management. Whether the government was to be double or single, it was time the question were decided ; and therefore he trusted the house would not accede to the amendment of the noble lord. Mr. PHINN opposed the bill, because it was not the "large, liberal, and substantial measure that the country expected, and had a right to expect. He considered that the responsibility of the government of India should rest with the crown, instead of being entrusted to irresponsible bodies, which resolved the authority into that of a mere plutocracy. In the course of a general review of the ar roseate urged in favour of the bill, he especially addressed himself to those relating to the increased trade of the country, as indicative of its prosperity ; and he maintained that, if the increased number of markets, sad the relaxa tion of the restrictions upon the trade with China, be taken into consideration, the result would not prove any im provement in the condition of the native population. He condemned the bill generally, as failing to provide fur those important reforms which he believed to be necessary, and which he took some time in describing to the house. Sir It. H. INOLIS made vatious objections to the bill; that it proposed to legislate for an indefinite period ; that it destroyed much of the substance of the presentsystem with out providing an adequate substitute; and that it altered the constitution of the government. At the same time he believed that delay was not necessary, and might be dan gerous ; and on that ground he opposed the amendment. lie hoped that the bill would be proceeded with at once, with such alterations as the wisdom of parliament might suggest. All that the house had to do was to provide for India a good form of government, and leave it for the Ems entice at home and in India to work out and fill up the details. Mr. HENRY BAILLIE considered that it was desirable to settle the question this sesrion, but that it was still more desirable that the settlement should be permanent, whenever it task place. Under all circumstances, he did not consider the demand for delay unreasonable. Ile did not believe that the proposed reconstruction of the home go vernment would would secure the services of the hest men. Ile was fu,r improving the constituency ; and rather than continue the power of election in the present hands, he ; would place the poser of nominating the directors in the hands of the crown. With regard to patronage. he con , sider‘.l it to be stn - tug those pri.ilege: which induced die ' tingnislud men, who would certainly not be tempted by the salaries, to take eflire. Mr. II ERRIES, in a speech of great length, expressed himself in favour of immediate legislation; and though he made many serious objections to the bill, yet he preferred lit to the amendment. On the motion of Mr. ID:sex the debate was adjourned till to-morrow (this day). The report on the Customs Acts was brought up and received. EXCISE DUTIES ON SPIRITS BILL. On the further consideration of this bill on the third reading, after certain additional clauses had been brought up and agreed to, Mr. BOWYER moved a clause, the object of which was to provide that an allowance should be made for actual wastage while spirits were in bond, such allowance in no case to exceed 3 per cent., contending that it was unjust to charge duty for spirits which had evaporated in the ware house. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the details to which this clause hr.d reference had been carefully considered by the Board of Inland Revenue, in conjunction with the representatives of the Irish spirit distillers, and as the scale of allowance was satisfactory to the distillers, he thought it ought to be so to the house. Mr. P. O'BRIEN contended that there would be no dif ficulty in ascertaining the actual waste, and suggested that Irish and Scotch whisky should be admitted into the naval contracts. _ . . After some further discussion, the claws was negatived. The bill was then read a third time. On the question that it do pass, Mr. CONOLLY entered his protest against the prin ciple of the bill, and contended that its effect would be to encourage illicit distillation, and to demoralise the peasan try of the north-western districts of Ireland. Mr. MACARTNEY asked whether it was intended to make use of the constabulary in the collection of the re venue ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the government had not altered their intentions on this point, but would take care that the other important duthoi of the constabulary were not interfered with. There was no intention of employing them in still-hunting, which was properly within the province of the cache officer. Mr. MTANN would rather see the police directly and openly ergeged in still.hunting than employed privately to win others. He hoped government would not destroy that admirable body of police, which they certainly would, if they employed them in the manner proposed. Lord C. HAMILTON said if the police were charged with additional duty there must be an increase in the num ber of police. Would the right hon. gentleman introduce a clause which would secure the country from the expense of the additional police who would be so required. (Loud cries of "Divide.") The house then divided— _ ----A__ ___ _..___ yes Noes 4l-80 The lill was therefore passed. CUSTOMS, &c. ACTS. The committee on this subject was resumed, and a num ber of items were agreed to. ASSESSED TAXES BILL. This bill was read a second time. In answer to Sir J. SHELLEY, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the exemption of four-wheeled carriages, used by tradesmen exclusively intrude should be considered. MALICIOUS INJURIES (IRELAND) BILL. This bill passed through committee. RECOVERY OF PERSONAL LIBERTY BILL. Mr. PHINN proposed that the adjourned debate should be further adjourned till July 13. Mr. C. BERKELEY suggested that a commission should issue, instead of the committee proposed by the hoc. and loaned gentleman. If the Irish members would consent to that course, would the honourable gentlemen also accept it ? Mr. PHINN would be happy to do so if that were to by all parties, for he was not much in love with agreed proposition. (Cheers.) Mr. NEWDEGATE suggested that the debate should be taken on Wednesday, the 20th July. - - - - Mr. PHINN explained that communication had sines been made to him to the effect that the proposition would not be so much objected to if it were confined to the latter part of it ; namely, that which related only to property. That had been the question upon which he had himself laid the principal stress. (Hear, bear.) The motion that the de to be now adjourned was then agreed to. On the question that it be adjourned till the 20th July, Mr. G. H. MOORE moved that it be adjourned till this day six months, upon which the house divided : For the amendment 95 Apitsit The debate was therefore adjourned till the 20th of July. _ _ BORO UG HOF SLIGO. On the order of the day for resuming the debate on the Leos of this writ, Mr. M. GIBSON complained that the letter alleged to have been written by Mr. Stoner, who had been (teetered guilty of bribery, did not appear in the evidence. Ile wished for some explanation of this omission. Mr. MACARTNEY, a member of the committee, moved that the debate should be adjourned till Tuesday next. Mr. HINDLEY, another member of the committee, also urged the adjournment of the debate, u the chairman of the teemitbee was absent. Kr. BOUVERIE opposed any further delay in the issue gibe writ. After some remarks from Mr. Narrate, Mr. FITZGERALD said if the letter of Mr. Stoner had been published, it would have disproved the charge of bribery against him. He contended that there was no ground for further suspending the writ. Sir J. V. SHELLEY remarked on the irregularity of Ike letter not being in evidence. Mr. FILMER said that, u a member of the committee, be begged to state that his decision upon the question before Me easamittee was not founded upon any particular letter, but upon the whole mue of the evidence. Lord PALMERSTON said that he had on a former m ission advised that this matter should be postponed, be muse the evidence was not in the hands of members. Now, however, the evidence was printed and before the house. If there ware no proceedings to be proposed against the borough itself, he thought that, according to the invariable practice, the writ ought to issue. Mr. VANCE complained that the evidence bad only been in the hands of members about 24 hours. He, there fore, mend the adjournment of the house, in order to give ben. gentlemen further time to consider this question. Mr. EVELYN thought that the writ ought to issue ; in which opinion Mr. Wonnaly concurred. Mr. BOWyER complained that there had been a mis t:rine (Ojai** in this case. After a few words front Mr. P. O'Brien, Lord Claude and Mr. V. Scully, 'OLEY said that no imputation rested on Mr. Mr. 111ND1 The ATTORNEY-GENERAL appealed to the house not to adjourn this debate. No charge had been made against the electors of Sligo, and they ought not to be de prived of their members. The house then divided on Mr. Vanm's motion. The numbers were— For the adjournment of the house l9 Against it The original question was then put and agreed to. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obtained leave to bring in s bill to amend the law relating to the stamp duties on newspapers. The bill was then read a first time. The other orders of [the day wen then disposed of, and the homes adjourned at a quarter to 3 o'clock. Sir James Duke paired for the remainder of the week with Sir Henry Raiford, being obliged to leave town for Scotland. SOUTH SEA 'iioUOL—Yesterday a special general l i Court of Proprietors of South Sea Stock was held at the South Sea House, to consider and determine as to the options offered to the company, under the act 16 Vie., e. 23, for the redemption or commutation of the company's stock ; Mr. Charles Franks, sub-governor, in the chair. The mi nutes of the last court having been read, the Chairman said they had met to consider what course they should adopt in respect to the company's stock, and it was his duty to in form the meeting that the directors had resolved to leave the proprietors to do that which they might consider best for their own interests.—Mr. Hammond was of opinion that they could not do better than follow the course adopted on la former occasion in respect to their annuities.—Mr. Ansell would willingly second a motion to that effect. —The Chair man said the matter was left entirely to the proprietors. Mr. Hammond then moved "that the South Sea Company should adopt the same course regarding their capital stock as they agreed to at the special Reneral meeting on the 26th May last, respecting the South Sea Annuities held by the company." Mr. Ansell seconded the motion (the effect of which would be, that the proprietors would receive money in preference to new stock in commutation), and it was car ried unanimously. A vote of thanks :was then pass.d to the chairman and directors, and the proceedings ter minated. -------- I CAMDEN Avnltte.v.rat—Last evening a meeting, partaking in some degree of the character of a soirie, was held at the Vestry-hall, St. Pancrus-road, for the rtroose of captaining the objects of this institution and the benefits to be derived from its establishment. The Marquis Camden occupied the chair.—Mr. T. F. Streeten read am address from the managing committee pointing out the general features of the Camden Athenscum, and the great advantages to be derived from it.—Several gentlemen, in cluding Mr. G. Cruikshank, Mr. Charles Knight, Sir B. Hall, Lord D. C. Stuart, Professor Carpenter, &c., having delimeed addresses explanatory of the objects of the insti tution and strongly advocating support of it, the meeting separated. eztt. TO CORR ESPONIIENTII. A •ermi,d "'Affirm .f "'the r,,.1 t 0.," contstizine the name twifirra "Ce:zettt,"4 publiaLed eve.y Yucaddy alai Fr:day was for poet. :,.ttietreeni• intended for "11l Enny.w,"TAttlen I'..cnfa a ram tune. 1.. J at t`...e tttt ee, Lo.Aerie.strret, 14 'Ewa v'eloch ou :he Say of publitAtion. NIGH WATIIR AT LONDON BIUDGR. Tate Ph—Month:v. 4b. 41. !ea T ..blollll(`M—Morning, 4a. 3la ...........tfaubook SS. lha. LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 21. THE Derbyite organ in the press announces that "at a very numerous meeting of members of tho House of Commons, held (on Wednesday) at Lord DERBY'S, in St. James's-square, the unanimous feel ing prevailed—after the speech of the noble Earl— that the amendment of Lord STANLEY should be supported." The murder is thus out. The cloven foot is openly displayed. The motion that Young Derbyisni concocted and published under a flimsy guise of pretended friend.hip fur L is now endorsed by DERBY, settler, who in the columns of his favoured journal openly says that " the party" are to conic to the field and try a fall m fib the Coalition. The notification thus made has one great value. There can now no longer be any mistake a s to the point at issue—as to the question really to be tried. Damaged by their many short comings, the Aittitphs.N-RussELL Ministry are thought by their Derbyite antagonists to be open to defeat. The word is given, and up goes the signal, "The Carlton expects every man to do his duty .° The Tories believe that the discontent of the Pro gress party at the insufficient measure of India Reform can be turned to Derbyite advantage. They calculate upon the obstinacy of some, upon the obtuseness of others, and upon the help of those who, rather than not be troublesome, would vote all the world an abuse, a swindle, a delusion, and snare. They reckon upon the wisdom of the old proverb being forgotten, and expect many will help them to upset the Government Bill for India upon the theory, that " No bread is better than half a loaf." Others they expect to influence by the very feeling which animates themselves. To postpone the India Bill will postpone reform, which will postpone the dissolution of the present corrupt Parliament. If the Tories could but get into office just now —good bye to all electoral improvement. Europe is in a very ticklish state. Any 'lory Minister could find no difficuly in precipitating a war. Once firo a shot, and half the world might quickly be embroiled. Up at once, and mast high, would then go the flag of Toryism. Good bye to all reforms— good bye to all further improvement—adieu to any further reductions of taxation or mitigations of debt. Consols might drop to 80,—but the Succession Tax be certainly upset. What a charming picture all this for the landlord imagination and for the landlord leader, Earl DEnur. The India that Tories never offered to reform is made to serve them as the needful stalking-horse. "Postpone the vile Bill that Reformers have grumbled at," is the cry, and their plan is complete. " We'll have some Liberals on the hip," seems Lord DERBY'S thought. " They must vote for STANLEY, and on their shoulders we may ride triumphantly into Downing-street." A pleasant vision truly. Place to begin with, and for the future—the chapter of accidents, foreign embroilments, possible war, and the certain postponement of all reforms. Their position to some members may seem difficult. To the man of clear and distinct views it is plain enough. If Lord STANLEY had really desired to ad vance Indian Reform he would have proposed either a better scheme than Sir CHARLES WOOD'S (a very easy task), or he would have adopted our often repeated suggestion of a simple Continuance Bill, or he would have moved as an amendment that the opera tion of the Government scheme be limited to two or three years to be spent in taking evidence about India for the future welfare of that great, ins. portant, and ill-governed Dependency. Had he taken any one of these three courses he must have had the prompt, hearty, and thorough support of all India reformers. But when he takes no one of these, nor nay inch honest course, but makes the troubles of poor Hindostan a mere catspaw to help DIsEAELI and Co. back into place, it becomes a very different matter altogether. There is room, however, in " the situation" for the factious, the dishonest, and the self-seeking to try and " make their game" as they might in any non-political gaming -house; and the division on the India Bill thus seems sure to display some curious tableaux. Under the par tisan standard raised by the Tory Lord STANLEY we shall in all likelihood see a choice collection of political recruits : some sillily caught by the re cruiting sergeant's ribbons—some craftily looking to promotion. The old allies and sutlers of the Tory camp will, of course, be there. DISRAELI the consistent, and SIBTIIORP the enlightened, the pure Mr. STAFFORD, late of the Admiralty, and that gallant friend of FRAIL, Major BERESYORD, still of the Carlton ; Mr. WALPOLE, who wished militia bayonets and county votes to go toge ther ; and Mr. NEWDEGATE, who still clings to Protection. All these are safe votes for ' Lord STANLEY. Who will vote with him be sides P Are we to see SPOONER of anti-Maynooth, file off into the same lobby with Mr. LUCAS of the Tablet ; or Sir IL as Nous band in hand with Mr. DUFFY of the Nation f' Are we to find any re presentatives of large towns, sent by confiding con stituencies to Parliament as Liberals, there frater nising in a partisan vote with the nominees of pocket boroughs and aristocratic counties ? "W. 8. , has been using his whip well, it is known, but the division list alone can show whether any proles/ling Liberals have been lured into the Tory fold. But division lists always tell their own story. IT seems to bo agreed on all hands that our sug gestion for the immediate recall of Sir CHAJ,LES GREY from the government of Jamaica must be adopted by the Duke of NEWCASTLE. Sir CHARLES, it will be recollected, was originally appointed Governor of Ilarbadoes, and on Lord ELGIN'S promo tion to what may almost be termed the Vice-Royalty of Canada, he was transferred by Earl GREY, then Secretary of the Colonies, to Jamaica; in accordance with the principle of promotion which that noble earl professed to have adopted ; and which in these instances operated first in favour of his own able friend, Lord ELGIN, and next in favour of his very feeble Northumbrian clansman, Sir CHARLES. Beyond this territorial merit, it would be difficult to say what peculiar qualification Sir CHARLES GREY, a retired Indian Judge, had ever for the government of Barbadoes ; but against his elevation to that of Jamaica there was, at all events, a very strong reason in the opinions he had uttered in Parliament on a very critical occasion on the subject of the constitution of the colony in question. When Lord MELFIOURNE'd Cabinet was in 1539 compelled by the state of parties at home to withdraw the measure they had intro- duced for the suspension of that constitution, strange to say , the only man in the House of Commons who spoke strongly against the withdrawal, and who continued to denounce that constitution which the Government he supported had failed to suspend, was—the present Governor of Jamaica. an irtit mote ha in Jam this is part of prevail punish wan tci with fi perial ment o duty fi fulfilm as the estimai it was otlr can sh e t f blue j m eo a ngt gi Lion. on to people ular and of or oug ries al people duced cist nomin Jam It la. ical went 1J tution o b e diftic pot A° . • nuechm opini?n2 t i c int (JJ, 1 IJ contenti to dege'l the stuff Cif tict.l vernmel to do by in where s element rem ar of the F reign n purest lay to r ecall. office, it to nn Cl E tHDLI Diemen inner li Ras a 1 not our mans of hieing and dot cnen wl clearly ►ICTOR better. But, !GREY'S liminar; gravely settlemi the En generou And thi paymen Council duction embly :his p luct on Jut wl backer wish I way t peke all vra pocks poses. The praise and i eil s all gr perm procil •bicl erect , dock et - 1 tee t;