The Express. — London, England, 1851-06-28 00:00:00

1 . 4 IMPEILIAL PARLIAMENT. oorsic or LORDS.—FRinty, lux, 27. Loau CN P ASICI TIONS PR E SENTED. IMO at deo o'clock. ETI Cotg ys rr Conitrs.—lly Lord WHARNCLIFFE. from attorne in Leeds, agsinst the extension of jurisdiction in bankruptcy to County_ Courts. Lord BROUGHAM agrccd with the petitioners that the Judson of Crionty Courts were ill paid for their services. Lord CA)IPbELL also thought that they were entitled to be pail in proportion to the duties which they hen to perform. Cstsui r MILE Tlit , .TA BILL.—By the Duke of CAM BRI lit; E. from the Governor anal Guardians of the Found ling Ito-pital; and Earl EITZWILLIAM, from Christ's agaitnit this bill. I'iEVENTION OF OFFENCES BILL. Lord t' Pi:ELL moved that their lordships agree to the am nali, nt, which the 110114 C of Commons had made in this 101. The motion was a rreid to. CRIMINAL LAW COMMISSION. _ In rpt.:V to Lord nit WUHAN!, Lora (•.1,41'111:1.1. brid h,• understood the report of tits criminal law oussuwissioners would be presented in a week erten .1 aye. lIIIC CASE OF JOTEE PERSHAUD. After an appeal fees Lord BRAKGIITON, who promised •s lay •. a t4u• Silk) all the papers /elating to the caws a l Jolt.. P.;•haud, Ttu. of ELLENDOEOCG II consented to postpone the ws,ti..it of which ho ►ad given notice. Ilia &lee% was nserel) ensure a due inve,tisration of the subject, and this th e now to owlertake. THU CASE OF tiLID 7 EL-KADEIt. The as;a:s of LONDONDERRY gave notice that on Monday he wadi ask her Majtsty's government whether they w•r.• aware of any negotiations between the French totemic id and the Porta relativ , :to the continued incarce ration of t h at uofustunate MD, Ahd.el•Kel.kr. FRIWItssAL TO RAISE 'THE CIIIEFS OF THE COMMI.IN LAW COURTS TO THE PEElt.tfiE. Low I ILEISESDAIA gam uotice of bin intention to move that au address be presented to her Majesty, set ting fort's tot wasant 'vs which would arise to that house ia Its 1'44.11 iSe in 1-kiiCtioll, and to the suitors thereof, as wttl as • i• linconir which would accrue to the legal profes sion, it her t 1 ojesty would he pleased to give her san•tiuu to the • r.• tem ioto Loonies of the offices of the Chief J edge in Equi•y• the CI,I. t Ju.tsee of the Court of Pinch, the Phil t J•eitici of for 'common Pless,and the Chief Baron of the Eseliequer, ws as to entitle the holder* to writs of wassimm• by Pavane of the mid offices. lle thought it wool• 11. or the great. st importance that the three thief jtolges of the courts of common law should be summoned to their I.4.l.liips* have as lawns, so that when any ,u dice it is nen esary that the learned judges 'b o ob: tied the three elders should remain to take port VI the debate and decision of their lordships after it.- pussoe judges hart retired. Perhaps it would he desirable that the sauna number of equity judgus al-o lie sumincn•d to their loractiips' bouts in th• si •. '111.• proposition wan altogether .1 novel that h would only then throw it out fur the cousideration ol Oleo lordships. Lord 1%14116E1A. thought such a proposition worthy of great r di•ilk ratios; hut he would remind the noble lord th.,t er.iguedold out he emoted to ie held during the tenure of all oiler. 1 1: INDEsitA I•E said when a bishop resigued his ice he 1,1 ir• boonr a right to nut in their lordships house ; be we. us Isll.llll 41 roily iu right of the barony belonging to the s.. ; au I so with the Seoul representative peers, they might hare a seat awl vote in that house at oat time but Mt at :alights,. EKE FARM ItENTS (IRELAND) BILL. On the nettiin of the )11aroluis of CLAMI,II Cull?, the Mrtt into committee on this hill. The bill, altar Bono • inveisation• pawed through committee. LAW OF EVIDENCE AMENDMENT 1111.1.. Lord 111(011f• II AM moved the third readiug of this hill. This iit,ine, odd the noble awl learned lord, 11011111 re sort •of the greatest blots upon our law, and one of the great .: &mgt., to whirl'. our jurisdiction was exposed. The bill, mites Vlllvo. rsa • between Lord 14'401 . 1.11A5, lardl s hr 10.11.1., and the Luau CHAN'. ELI.OII, wan read a third tin.• and ptio4ll. LEAsltllttl.ll TKMURE OF LAND (IRELAND) AMENDMENT DILL. Lind IIEACMONT inured the second restling of this bill. Aft r a short discussion, in 'shirk the Lord rhancillor, land the Earl uf Wicklow, and Lord Moult:ogle took psrt„ TI, motion Ira. withdrawn. Their lordships .uljoorned at seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, Juxa 27. The SI•rAll NIL took the choir at t o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Waterford and 'lramure Railway Bill was read a third tinw and pawed. BOVE IMPROVEMENT BILL. (In the order for the consideration of this bill, Mr. Lin:KM, pursuant to notice, moved that the bill be reeom•nittrd to the former committee with leave to sit and proms.' on Monday nett. Captain De toromiiti and Sir .1. WAl.alt opposed the mo tion, and a di.cussion vioued, after which the house divided : For Mr. Locke', motion A ttainst it The ...nifty,. of the committee are to commence on Mon day 'ME GREAT EXHIBITION BUILDING. On !Ito lineation being put that the hoax at rising Jo ad journ to Monday next, Mr s ['AFFORD, in aceorrlanee with his notice, ;irked the lo,t 1..0 of the Treasury, whether the commissioners attic Exhibit' considerisl themselves boomd to remove I, the istiliee existing in Hyde l'ark; and, if so, wht ther her Majesty'• inisiisters were prepared to take any steps to main tain it in its present position. The honourable member ob served 1114 upon the question of removing or retaining the building after the term of the Eshibition had deed, there were so many reasons on both sides that it was not easy to form a 11,einive opinion. But it would not be satisfactory to the country if that question was brought forward fur de eption at a time when members of parliament bad left town, and there were no means of collecting the feeling enter tained upon the subject by the country at large. If the subj.. t was to br runudorcd iu the house at all, the present was the time. All the arguments be had seen wen in favour of retaining the building in ito present position, but he W twat' that there were strong arguments uga:ast hat proposition. Perhaps the noble lord would have no objection to give an answer to the question he had put, and to state if the government had taken the question into eon snlerat ion and crow• to any eowlusion as to the course to be taken. Lord J. Itt'S' 4 l" LI, said he hail to answer the qtetstions of the hen. r in the character of a commissioner of the Valiant .asw•ll as that of a member of her Majesty's goverionent. bi tb • first place he had to say on the part I of ihe Corfu Vial the house would remember the gnat 1111 4 , , .. 4 41 Last year that the temporary build- I ing erected for the Eshihition should be converted into a I , penoie,nt :aid that thereby a great part of the groun•l in Ityile-po'c. which had hitherto been left open to the put. to— ; hear, heir)--should be devoted to the purpose 4 of this building During the progress of that question, the (40•11110i1166,1114TS of do Exhibition made a formal agreement with the commissioners of woods and forests, by which they agres , l that the Exhibition should not be left open longer than. he thou,cht, the lot of November in the present year, and that within six months from that time the building should he taken down and removal, and the ground restored to the state in which it had been before. (hear, hear.) That was the agreement the Commissioners of the Lahibi hon hail made, and he conceived they had no power to act otherwise than in conformity with it. So far so he knew they had no intention of asking for liberty to depart from those to rots With respect to the question as it concerned the government, his answer for the present must be a very abort one . that it had not been hitherto a subject of delibe retiea with the government at all. Ile had not, for his own part. seen any materials at present upon which the govern ment could forma devi.ion on the retention or removal of th o building. It would much depend upon the feelings and wislua of the public with regard to the state of the park, and whether or not there would be a general wish to make a sicrifice of a part of the park to re tain the building there. The next question would be whe ther the building was of such a nature that it could be per man, ntly maintained; the next to what object it could be devoted; whether it could be applied to purposes of enjoy. mesa end health; and fourthly, the question would be what would be the expense if the budding could be main tained. Concerning the erection of the building he was without particulars and details, and thereinto 'mild not give any information. Ilia answer, therefore, must be simply that at present the subject had not been under the deliberation of the government. (Hear. hear.) STREET NUISANCES. In answer to Mr. Hose Ma:touts, Sir U. GILLET said that in this matter the only way was to give to the polite a general power to remove obstrne lions in the public streets, in which it appeared their au thority was at pecoeim#ll!:ient:.____ The sinlito that the house on rising do adjourn to Mon- day wnsnessilto. ECCITICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL. as TM oaks of ba tlio day kr dr coaddolatios of th is bIB mask& ths book nod. Mugraos la MIMS Ur tilowiag asor dare. " And bo warfaad. Oat if a yanal, oball rossional =te wild wird py mum 111119111 Md dhow ' 11 1 MR ft AA 1110 M he air ibigideo Mir ' a at *a Dgmatorat ft is Oa almman. alms at Oa we al Nes dean &ppm It, by seem it THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 28, 1851. writing signed by him, to require such person to depart out , of the realm within a time to be limited in such notice, and if such person shall be afterwards found therein it shall he lawful for her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Home Depirtment, by warrant under his band, to give such per son in charge of one of her Majesty's messengers, or of such' other person or persons to who:n he shall think fit to direct such warrant, in order to his being conducted out of the kingdom." Ile thought that now that the bill was be fore them for consideration it became individual mem- ' ben to see whether its previsions wens such as woald ' not only stop present encroachments, but also prevent any future aggressions ; and if it appeared that the bill, token as a wh , le, did not carry out the opinions which hod been expressed by the premier and by the vast protestant meet- I ings which had taken place throughout the country, it be came bon. members to place their opinions on record, and do whatever was in their power towards repelling these' aggressions. It might be said by the noble lord, that if the bill were not sufficiently stringent, all that was neeee nary was to come down and bring in a more stringent measure next session. He would ask, however, if it would be politic, after the delay which had occurred, and the acrimony of feeling which bad been displayed on this sul . .- jiet during the present session, to brim.; forward any new bill next year. The present he thought was the time for them to make the bill as effective as possible. Keogh) therefor,: hoped that the noble lord would allow his men to do so. (Cheers and laughter.) It was per fectly clear that there would be a large majority for the clause, if the noble lord had not seen fit to change tho de termination to which the legal advisers and the principal members of his government had come. (Cheers.) Sir G. GREI said the boo. and learned member must be under a mistake, for ho had given no consent to the clause. Ile had certainly thought, on further considera tion, that the clause was wholly unnecessary, and he had certainly said he should not make any strong objection to it. As it was, however, mere surplusage, he quite con curred with the course taken by his noble friend. (Cheers.) Mr. SCULLY thought the explanation quite satisfactory as far as the right hon. baronet was concerned, but he con sidered that some explanation was also due from the Secre tary for the Treasury. (Loud cheers, and cries fur Mr. Hayter.) Mr. HAYTER, on rising, was greeted with loud cheers. Ile said, 1 am perfectly ready to admit that a conversation did take place between myself and the hon. and learned member for Athlone, but that conversation was totally different in mauncr from what the bon. and learned gentle man has stated. (Cheers.) It was not an authorised com munication made by me from the members of the govern ment to him. (Cheers.) It is true that I stated to him that I understood—l did not say from whom I understood —(" hear," and laughter)—that there would be no objec tion to the clause. (Mr. Keogh, " Hear, hear.") I stated, moreover, that 1 would request hon. members to stay in the house, but that was in order that there might be a fair division. (Cheers.) I never stated to the hon. gentleman that I had received* communication from the noble lord or from the right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey). Mr. KEOGH—Hear, hear. I never said so. (Cheers.) Mr. HAYTER—I made the statement in a conversa tional and confidential tone, which is uniformly adopted and respected by the members of this house. (Cries of " No, no.") Mr. KEOGII—Sir. (Cries of " Order, order.") I rise to explain—(cheers)—and I beg the right hon. gentleman— (Mr. 'byte* who was rising from his scat, to remain until he has heard it. The right hon. gentleman says his communication was made in a confidential manner, but I beg leave to tell him that, at all events, his conversation did not convey such an impression to me. (Cheers, and cries of " Order, order.") The SPEAKER—The hon. and learned gentleman must feel that this is not explanation, but reply. (Cheers.) Mr. GRATTAN rose and uttered a few words, but they were inaudible, owing to the vociferated cries of " Spoke, ' "order," and "chair." At last the hon. gentleman, gel tieulating violently, sat down. Mr. MOORE-1 beg leave to move that the house do now adjourn. (Cheers.) Mr. GRATTAN—I second it. Lord J. RUSSELL (who was rising when the adjourn ment of the house was moved) said that though the hon. and learned gentleman was not strictly in order, yet, as the matter was entirely a personal one, he thought that, accord ing to the usual courtesy of the house, the hon. gentleman ought to be allowed to proceed. (Cheers.) The question having been put from the chair, Mr. KEOGH-1 do not wish to sot contrary to the rules of the house, but now that I am in order, I will proceed with the matter which has arisen between me and the right hon. Secretary for the Treasury. The right hon. gentle ' man has admitted that every statement I made, so far us I gave an account of the transaction between us, is correct. Cheers.) He distinctly admits that there was a communi cation between us (and that was all I asserted), to the effect that the government would support my proposition. (Cheers, and cries of " No, no.") I did not assert—(cries of Spoke ")—that the right hon. gentleman told me that the noble lord or any other person had communicated with his; hut he being the recognised officer of the govern ment, and I seeing in him the recognised officer of the government, coming to me and telling me what I have stated, I concluded that he intended to keep his party in the house to support my motion. (Cheers.) I will now mention another circumstance which I did not state before. The right hon. gentleman said the hon. and learned Mem ber for Abingd in's motion would not of course be pressed, for if my :notion was carried it would be an ex press negative of that of the hon. and learned member. The right hon. gentleman said his conversation to Inc was confidential, but. if that was the case, why did he after wards come to me and tell me that the noble lord woald ROL support my clause, sod that therefore I was not bound by any understanding to limit my observations. (Cheers.) hone PAW given a plain, fair, and candid statement of this lummetion ; end the ijuestion which remains is, whether vs are to place any reliance upon communications of the Med hon. gentleman whets he comes from the government, lee whether the noble lord is to repudiate the right hon. goollommt and my he has given him no authority. (Cheers.) TM motion for the adjournment was then withdrawn. Sir F. THESIGER bad been unexpectedly introduced Mb this discussion, and he begged distinctly to state that holed not had the slightest communication with the hon. gmtleman. Mr. S. WORTLEY had no doubt the hon. and learned =man (Mr. 'Keogh) had no intention in moving his to do more than to prevent prosecutions by indict ment from being taken ; but the effect of his clause might be to prevent parties from bringing suits relating to private isterest., Mr. Sl'OONElt seconded the clans, Sir G. GItEY said that a similar clause had formerly been proposed by the hon. and learned member for Mid burst; only there was this important difference between the two, that tho clause of the lion. and learned member, if ailopt,d as he proposed it, would have effected something, whereas the present clause would be totally inoperative, oaks it were followed up by imposing a severer penalty. Parties might be removed from the shores of England and return within the neat half-hour, and then they would have to commence proceedings dr Noco. The house divided, when there appeared— For the clause Against it The el;nwr was therefor: lost. Mr. KEOGH had to propose a now clause, saving the Powers of the 7 and 8 Victoria, c. 97. It was to the follow ing effmt Be it enacted, that nothing herein contained Audi he construed to annul, repeal, or in any manner affect any prevision contained in an act passed in the eighth year of the reign of her present Majesty, intituled ' An Act for the more effectual Application of Charitable Donations and Bequests in Ireland , or to render illegal or void any Diva @Rion of Property by will or otherrise already made, which but for the passing of thin Act would have been le gal and valid.' " Mr. REYNOLDS seconded the motion. Lewd J. ItI:3BELL said that there was no intention of affecting the provisions of the Bequests Act by the present measure, and he would be quite willing to adopt the dig. prorid , d it were restricted to the words down to the mei " Ireland." Mr. NAPIER expressed his concurrence in the claim down as far as the word " Ireland." And The dense as restricted was unanimously agreed to. Mr. KEOGH then moved a C 1.111141 saving the right of giving letters of ordination in evidence. s' Be it enacted, that nothing herein contained shall iu any manner prevent the reception in evidence in any court of law or equity in this kingdom of any letter of ordination or other document conferring ecclesiastical powers upon any cler,qm /II of the Raman catholic church, which, but for the passing of this act, would hare been so receired." _ Mr. REYNOLDS seconded the clause. The ATTORNEY-OE:Kb:UAL thought the hour: ought not to adopt such a clause. The house then divided— For the clause • it . _ . Against .. Mr. KEGUIL then moved the addition of the following clause : Be it enacted that nu proceeding shall be taken nailer this act save and except by her Majesty** Attorney- Genera for the time being in England and Ireland and by the Lort Advocate in Scotland." He said he had commu nicated with the hew officer, of the crown respecting this clause, and was received with all courtesy, though of course they Kaye him no intimation of what they should do till they had consulted their colleagues ; but within the last five minutes the Secretary of the Treasury told him to be brief in his observations, as goverrunent would support him, and now the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) told him he would not support the clause. (Hear.) There had been a good deal of turning and changing with respect to this bill ; but this was the most rapid change of all. laird J. RUSSELL said, when ho came into the house he had not the smallest intention of agreeing to this clause. Ile had not paid much attention to it, but it was his inten bun to oppose any clause proposed by the hon. and learned gentleman, with the exception of that relating to the Cha ritable Requests Act. His friends around him thought that, as this clause would not do more than they had al- Mealy done, namely, provide that all actions should be t by the Attorney-General, this clause might be without any mischief into the bill • but, as he had said, it was not his intention to adm it; this clause, although ho was disposed at first. Ile thought it far better not to introduce any clause that had not been maturely considered. With respect to the substance of the clause, the hon. and learned gentleman could not deny that the penalty of 10(11. for the assumption of titles could only be enforced on the prosecution of the law Mg cera of the crown. That provision was in the act of 18:0, and they preserved the same in the present act. With re spect to the first clause, which toes the only clause the hon. and learned gentleman expressed any doubt upon, it was stated by the Attorney-General thet no indictment would lie under that clause. If that w.O the case, therefore, if there could be no prosecution under the first clause, and under the second clause there could be no prosecution except by the law officers of the crown, he submitted to the house that this clause was unnecessary, and he there. fore should be Air retaining the bill in its present shape. Mr. REYNOLDS said it appeared to him that the reasons assi med by the noble lord against this clause were of no weight. Ile said the Attorney and Solicitor-General were of opinion that no prosecutions could be instituted under the first clause; if so, what harm could be done by inserting this douse ? Mr. GRATTAN asked was the noble lord aware of the spirit now raging in Ireland, that within the last two mouths catholic altars had been violated, and that parties had rushed in and attacked the priests? Sir J. GRAHAM said ho did not wish to enter into a legal argument, but be still entertained the opinion he had before expressed with respect to the legal effect of the first clause. lie expressed that opinion with diffidence, and he understood that the law officers on the treasury beach dissented from it; but at the same time he stated then, and ho repeated now, that the breach of that clause was an indictable offence. The first clause of the bill, now under discussion, was not only a declaratory but an enacting clause. It declared that the brief in question was Hiegel and void, and, as he contended, its so declaring it illegal and void removed every doubt that an indictment would lie fir the violation of that act. But a far greater extent bad been given to the operation of this clause, more particularly by the Attorney-General for Ireland, whom he inideneiod distinctly to say that all similar briefs fell under the operation of this declaration in the act. Similar briefs— briefs in the usual manner appointing Roman catholic archbishops and bishops in Ireland—could be declared Illegal and void, and indictments would lie against such persons. If that were the right operation of the clause, any person in Ireland—and he feared there were vindictive feelings on the part of some protestants against the Roman catholics in that country—any individual, with lout the sanction of her Majeety's law advisers, would have it in his power to present a bill before the grand jury, sad the majority of the grand jury would have it en their power to return a true bill, and the archbishops and bishops would he put to trial on the charge. Ile did not wish to , pursue this question further, but with reference to the 11.11011 of Irela I and the good government of Ireland, he had the [strongest opinion that the clause proposed by the WI. sad learned member for Athlone was indispensably necessary. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, preparatory to a division, when— Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said he hoped if the catholic, of Ireland were strangled, they would not be strangled by mutes. Surely, after the irresistible manner in which the right hon. baronet opposite hail shown the dangers to which they would be exposed if this clause were not intro duceal, the noble lord would not suffer the house to go to a division without saying something about it. Mr. LAWLESS asked the noble lord at the head of the =alliwhether he would have presumed to have t t. }Seglish member as he had treated the ho signmaiseindisarned member for Athletic. He did not think It we MIMI civility to that hon. gentleman, who repre sented sheet 40 Irish members • and it was a want of that would be remembere d at some future time. ter.)) e. itUSSELL said there were two things w hich be eddied to explain to the house. In the first place, he did net authorise any one to communicate to the hon. and learned gentleman that he should not oppose hie clause. He (the noble lord) came into the house with the intention of opposing it, and therefore he considered himself per fectly at liberty to do so. With regard to the speech of the right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham), who bad spoken as to the effects which would follow from the re jection of the clause, he (Lord J. Russell) had stated in the speech he had made that it was his intention to gave both the motion of the hon. and learned member for Abingdon and that of the hon. and learned member for Athlone. He did not think that any injustice would be done byhat course, as it was not intended that any prase cation had/Marin *weld take place except at the in seam. the law officers of the crown. (Cheers.) Mr. KEOGH rose, but was received with loud cries of " spoke." As he was only going to allude to a personal transaction he hoped the house would permit hint to ad dress them again. (Hear, hear.) He had communicated with the Attorney-General and the Solicitor-General, and both of them were in favour of the clause. They commu nicated with the right hon. Secretary for the Home Depart ment, but the right bon. bart. was at first opposed to the ChM,. Afterwards, however, en intimation was made to Idea that the right bon. hart. nd yielded, and was also is bow ff the clause ; but he (Mr. Keogh) could not act met Ihofealli they had communicated with the noble lord. 14100) was in the lobby with the noble lord and the de* la beet, when the communication was made. He mearael W dm beg ; a new motion was made, and a vow Mal= was Wig for. After the house ha d been ellaassi s the eriviba7 le the Treasury, the recognised Meer ela=mrh wrammehaticam told him that the govern mit la the dame, and divide with ; sad br rapport required that he would there- gees be Met in his observations. (Cheers.) The right hea. reatiemea (Yr. Hayter) stated that be would keep Me ma la the home to support the motion, sad he (Mr. Mr. KEOO Ii begged to alter his clause to avoid the diftl• I may pointed out by the right hon. Recorder The house then divided, Ayes 7l Noes 232 Majority against the clause l6l Mr. REYNOLDS moved the following clause: " Be it enacted, that nothing herein contained shall be construed is repeal or affect an act passed in the tenth year of her pre sent Majesty, intituled ' An Act for the Maintenance of the Cemeteries at Golden-bridge and l'roepect, in the county of Dublin, and to create a perpetual succession in the govern ing body or committee for managing the same.' " The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that nothing could be further from his wish than in any way to interfere with the act to which the clause referred ; but it did not appear to him that the present bill would do so, and he should wait with great curiosity to hear in what manner the hon. gentleman thought it would. He objected to the confirming by a public act what was at present only a clause in a private act. Mr. REYNOLDS begged to cypress his surprise at hear ing the Attorney-General calling this a local or private act, whereas its last clause expressly declared that it was a pub lk act. Sir F. TIIESIGER said the Attorney-General was gaits right. In spite of the clause referred to, the Ceme teries Act was a private act. Sir R. H. INGLIS contended that the insertion of the title of archbishop in a private bill was not a recognition of it by the legislature. The house then divided— For the clause Against it The clause was accordingly negatived. Sir F. THESIGER, after bespeaking the attention of the house (which was just then in a state of great uproar, owing to a crowd of members leaving for dinner), said this was probably the last opportunity they would have of mak ing their legislation correspond with that which the occa sion demanded. Had it not been that we had broken down restrictions and taken the sting out of penal laws, the aggression now complained of would never have occurred. On its perpetration, the tone and language of the noble lard were fitting; he marshalled the nation, who were ready to follow him in all that was necessary to repel the aggression. (Hear, hear.) Atter the protestant feeling had been stirred from one end of the nation to the other, I it was ridiculous to suppose that all these throbs should ' end in the puny and abortive issue of the noble lord. (Hear, hear.) Had he been permitted to pursue the dic tates of his own feeling., the noble lord would have pre sented a very different measure ; but it was to be feared, that by yielding to the suggestions and solicitations of others, and letting "I dare not" wait upon "I would," he bail lost the meet splendid character that could have awaited him in the page of history. (Hear, bear.) Had he pur sued the course his language indkated,—had he in ez and positive terms made no distinction between the diMst parts of the Kingdom, he (Sir F. Thesiger) should have aempted the bill with gratitude, as a sufficient protec tion against the encroachments that had been made. As the act of Richard 11. was clearly law both in Ireland and Ragland, the noble lord at the head of the government had wisely refused to introduce anything into the bill before the house exempting Ireland from its operation; and he had, in of declared this in opposing the amendment of the Ws- marker for Rochdale (Mr. S. Crawford). Had any mourred since to induce a change of conduct on the pre of the government ? The Tablet recently, in alluding ire bull for the consecration of the Bishop of Killaloe, mad this almost profane language, " The law is broken— ffininles be to God." On another occasion, the same organ Another rescript—another crime—another cause for ffintidldnest to Almighty God." (Hear, bear.) After Sloe eepeelod defences, would it not be disgraceful in the lam to allow this measure to go forth without selibeg I effective for the protection of all parts of lbe mein from these acts of aggression ? (Hear, hem.) The Nib Ind said be meant to include Ireland in his le- elm masr let them see how he intended to carry out The preamble of the bill was directed at lelnenaltnenelmt solely and exclusively to the rescript bend la MN, sad which altogether applied to England. The lAN UMW sold it would be absurd to make it 511dWoo bens et reseripu for the creation of bishops esos la Wood end to permit such to be legal in Ire land. Then the esti, lord, by his own words, meant to Include the ram* lately received in Ireland. If so, he wished to ask the noble lord would it not be the taste Me and open and manly course, to de dare arch en dos bee of his bill, instead of leaving it to the bed= me notertelsty of isdereme ; and if it would Nog le bay to=mid s = iss onavielon el the enactment ler edger led He (Sir Y. Tlsseiger) Wpm& to do that for the noble bet which he no pamois be some undefinable BM to have the cour age is do himself. (Haw, bre.) Sr ',Goosed to ma k e en low in the very elms too iellek Übe - noble lord evi- Away intended it should be emeeleL Therefore, if hon. gentlemen turned their easielles le his fIrM amendment to he introduced into the penomlie s instead of reciting " that dime et bee Majesty's soldsmo hod assumed titles of arch eda= under ale. at a certain aut h or i ty ," be Mk knowing out the views of re salb_les.. T ibrNa Sat any rescript sent into Ireland boold lo s =esgal, proposed t o & saga do mole a bit • sr marls," to " by nest WA et seistiple." , he He thought It right Y eilllba le broom in all eases, within the MIMI& tie walk tell s view to mark and tinguish the particular brief, to add the words, " and par- Ocularly by a certain brief, reseript, or letters apostolical [ given, or purported to be given, at Rome on the 29th S.ptember, 18.50." (Hear, hear.) These were the amend ments he intended to propose, and he coiled upon the noble lord to say whether or nut it was his intention to include Ireland withia the provisions of the bill. (Hoar, hear.) If ° his (sir F. Tksiger's) ainendmeuta militated not with the intentions of the noble lord, he asked him how he could conwientiously and consistently oppose the introduction of these words, particularl when ho remembered what had lately passed in Ireland? (Hear, hear) The noble lorl should remember that their legislation on this subject had been converted into an occasion for deliance ; and that if he abandoned the position he had assumed, or showed any hesitation on the subject, he would give encouragement to those who encroached upon them ; and he, therefore, . . called upon the noble lord to say whether he intended the provisions of this btll should apply to Ireland, and if so, why not declare as much on the face of the hill ? (Hear, hear.) The preamble standing then in the position in which he had placed it—and which poiition he considered to bo. impregnable—he would take the liberty of calling the attention of the house to the other amendments, which, fol . . lowing immediately on that which he had proposed in the preamble, became absolutely necessary as a logical conse quence. They were now coining front the preamble of the bill to clauses that had not alone a declaratory but an en acting nature • and again he appealed and asked why, if the rescript introduced into Ireland were illegal, why not state so? His hon. and learned friend, the Solicitor-tietieral, was pressed on that subject by the hon. member for the Univer sity of Orford, as to whether this declaratory clause was not inconsistent, by being confined to a particular brief or rescript, when it was known that by another brief or rescript the rope had created a bishop for the diocese of Noss. His lion. and learned friend replied that the clause would have elf.et in Ireland ; because the judges, in case of prosecution, would adopt the clause and apply it to Ireland. Now he conceived his hon. and learned friend laboured orieti gentleman should be successful in -se might -_ lug his amendment it would be to their aid he would hon. and il le a a j rn owe that success. lie (Lord J. Russell) must c onsider carry •hem resynsible for the result . (Ilear, hear.) For him self, he saw nothing in these amendments—objectionable though they were, for the reasons he had stated—which should induce him, if they were passed, to abandon the bill. (Cheers.) After a few words from 111 r. Nariza in support of the amendment, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, after recapitulating the substance of the amendments proposed by the hon. and learned member for Abingdon, said ho did not see any great objection to the first of those alterations, although he would rather see the bill remain us it stood, or in the form which hail been proposed by the hon. and learned member for Midhurit. But ho must join issue with his hun. and learned fri , mil on his proposition to include Ireland. The second proposal of his honourable and learned friend was to render the introduction, publishing, or put ting into use any pupal bull, brief, or rescript Riegel, and the only objection he saw to that was, that as the assump tion of titles would in the majority of instance follow the introduction of the briefs, the penalties would be made cumulative. With that exception be did not see much harm in the proposal. But it was unquestionably contrary to law to introduce those briefs or remripts, and it seemed clear that the law would he enforced in both instances. The third proposal of his hon. and learned friend was fur more objectiocab e, because it involved the introduction of the common in:ormer. That appeared to him a matter of serious importance upon which it be hoved the house to reflect before they decided. This was no case in which a common iuformcr ought to be allowed to interfere ; it was no case of police or of the infraction of some minor law on which the vigilance of the common in former, owing to the want of more direct protection, was allowed to operate. This was a matter affecting the attic and the sovereign. That was the only ground of inter ference, and such interference ought to be left to the re• sponsibility and sauction of the government, of which the Attorney-General was In such a case the representative. By the ameudinent now proposed the responsibility of the public prosecutor would be lessened, the charac ter of his office would be lowered when he was mixed up with common informers, and, worst of all, the nature awl description of the offence would be lowered. (Rear. hair.) The house then divided, and the numbers were— For Sir F. Thesiger's first amendment Against On our re-aduliei,on to the gallery, Lord J. RUSSELL was speaking across the table, and we understood the noble lord to say that it would be useless to divide on the second amendment of the hon. and learned gentleman on the preamble, as it was merely a formal sequence to the first, and the re suit would, of course, be the same This arrangement being agreed to, the third amendment of Sir E. Thesiger, which was to insert in clause 1 instead of the words " the said brief rescript " the words " all such brief rescripts," was put to the house. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in opposing this amend ment. said it now remained to the house to deal with the enacting part of the bill, and they would do well to consider a little on the course from which they had so lately de parted; not because this amendment effected very impor tant alterations in the bill, but rather fur the contrary ma son, that they were not holding out delusions to the public leading to the supposition that in the alterations suggested by the hon. and learned member for Abingdon they were building the towers of their church and raising up the bulwarks of their Zion. (" Oh, oh," and laughter.) Those were the words of the honourable and learned member for Abingdon. (Rear, hear.) That honour able and learned gentleman had not only said that he would make by his amendments the bill complete, per fect, and effective; but with great eloquence he had stated that hie reasons for so doing were that we had arrived at a period of our history when every step was of the utmost importance, and that when we found an enemy was crouch ing to surprise us, it were well to fortify our towers and set up our bulwarks ; and the hon. and learned gentleman had also told the house that he proposed to do all this by sub stituting his masonry for the rubbish of this bill. lie (the Solicitor-General) now proposed to examine the masonry of his hon. and learned friend is little, and to see what were the bulwarks he proposed to set up for the church. It was nut the first time that the church had had to rely upon an act of parlia meet fur support. lie believed it to be important , that there should be a public declaration on the part of the parliament of England of those great political principles which had animated our ancestors, and had prevented any foreign interference with their domestic affairs, even of that semi-spiritual: character which were difficult to define, but which they had repelled. But, ut the same time, he bel ieved also that our religion and our faith stood on higher principles—principles which required no act of parliament for their guarantee, but had found their way into the hearts of the people of this country, who ho held were sincerely attached to the religion established in this realm as the religion of the church. Let the house see what were the bulwarks his hon. and learned friend proposed to append to the rubbish of the government bill—let them sea what additional works he proposed. His first master-stroke was this—that I whereas the government recited intheir bill that a bull had been introduced into this country from the Pope of Rome, which had caused the greatest indignation throughout the land, not only in its religious but mainly in its political as pect ; that the government had seized upon that bull and denounced it by a political enactment, saying that the bull haul violated the law inasmuch as it revived those preten sions which our &mestere rejected centuries ago. The govern ' agent proceeded to recite in the preamble that the rescript was null and void, and the hon. and learned member for Widhurst thought it right that there should be added a wdeclaration" that it was null and void, and in directing Ws attention to this bill or rescript only he had taken the correct view. That, however, was not the plan of the hon. and learned member for Abingdon. lie proposed to add other bulwarks to the bill. The hon. and learned member stated that besides this letter, which had pulled down Can terbury and set up the new see of Westminster—which had parcelled out the country, abolished the ancient sees, and set up a new hierarchy—that besides all this he had dis covered something else : he had found out that a bishop of Roes had been created, and that twenty or thirty years ago the see of ()tawny had been erected. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The honourable and learned mem ber had argued that attention should be directed to all those minor details, neenuse if one bull was declared illegal, and others were not referred to,it would:place thejudgesinlreland in a position of embarrassment. No such effect, he contended, would follow ; for, if they took up the great instrument, the cause of the whole of our legislation, and declared it illegal and void, and raid that was the state of the law as regarded that instrument, why it followed as a matter of course that every other instrument of the same character was also illegal and void. The second bulwark proposed by the hon. and learnt* Member, under a penalty of a hundred pounds prohibited any person from procuring from the see of Rome, or putting in use, any such bull or rescript. Now, this had been anticipated by the act of the 2nd Elizabeth, cap.!, and this act the legislature had in Isl 4 refused to repeal. (Divide, divide.) The act of Elizabeth made it penal " to put in effect" the jurisdiction or authority of the l'ope, and the publishing of a bull was certainly put ting such authority into effect. The last guarantee which his hon. and learned friend offered was this—that whereas the bill proposed to put it in the power of the Attorney- General to prosecute parties who violated its provisions, the hon. and learned member proposed that the power of prosecuting should not be confined to the Attorney General, but be exercise , ' by anybody with the consent of the Attor ney General. He could see no advantage in this. They were not, by adopting such amendments, achieving any additional security for our protestant rights and privileges, but were destroying the whole effect of the manner in which the bill bad hitherto been carried through the house. (Hear.) The house then divided : _ _ _ under considerable misapprehension. lie (Sir F. Thesiger) held that the judges would not decide by that declaratory CLAIM, but according to the law as it esisted before the act was passed. In his opinion if anything would em barrass the decision of the judges la Ireland, it was the very clause which the Solicitor-General thought would be effective. (The Solicitor-General was understood to say ft would be effective.) Then if so, and if ouch were the intention of his hon. and learned friend, why not honestly express it, and not leave it to inference? If the noble lord intended Out the statute of Richard 11, should be available then lie could not object to the clauses introduced by him (Sir F. Thesiger). Because the benefit of them was this, that they brought down the law to the present day. No person could plead ignorance of the law when declared now by that house, and also, instead of the parties being open to prznnuire, his clauses would make all bulls, briefs, and rescripts, illegal for the future tinder the very penaltywhich the noble lord had declared suilicient to meet the emergency. (Hear, hear.) lie could not conceive how anything short of what he proposed could give security against these encroachments. (Hear, hear.) None of his amendments appeared inconsistent with what had been expressed by the noble lord. Therefore he desired that those who, in language, agreed in every proposition, should now be prepared to carry that language into effect. (Hear, hear.) Their establishment stood assailed within and without. (Hear, hear.) Without her, fighting*, within her, fears. (Hear, bear.) It could not bo denied that the late attempt of the papal govern ment was aimed at temporal as well as spiritual authority in that kingdom. It comprehended the right to govern all persons who might be within the limits of territorial outdo ! city: all heretics and apostates, and, in fact, its category in eluded ell baptised amts. They were dealing witha wary foe who knew when to advance his claims, and when to lie dormant. That file would lie crouching for his opportunity, 1 but when once he sprung it were vain to struggle, for his strength was irresistible. (Hear.) Therefore now was the time ter them to walk round their protestant lion, and tell all her towers and bulwarks ti at they might be able to show those who came after them that they were not inat tentive to, or regardless of, their most sacred and precious interests. (Hear, hear.) They were then engaged in a contest in which the eyes of the world were upon them, and to fail in which would be both scandalous and disgrace ful. (Hear, be ie.) Lord J. It USSELL did not consider the alterations, for ho could sot consider the amendments, proposed by the hon. and learned gentleman, and which dealt with points al ready touched upon in the bill as valuable and efficient as the hon. and learned gentleman seemed to think them. What was it that in the first instance constituted the offence, and next, what was the course of proceeding pro , puled to meet that offence? The offence was in the first place, the issuing of a merlin, authorising the assumption of tern , tonal tides without the consent or knowledge of the Queen, in defiance, in fact, of the throne of this country; and in the second place there was an assumption of certain titles pre tended to be conferred by such authority. And what the government proposed was, in the first place to recite, in an act of parlament a declaration, that a certain rescript, which had come from Rome, pretending to confer these titles, was void and illegal. This was declared in the pre amble. Such was the first step, and it was strengthened by the introduction of the first clause. And if it stood ▪ this appeared to him the best mode of meeting one part of the offence, because what they had to deal with was that which, it was to be remembered, was an open, arrogant, generally proclaimed act, which hail been boasted of and repeated by the various organs is the press and the pulpit of the adherents of the l'ope in this country. What was under these circumstances re quired was, as some thought, a declaration, a proclamation by the government —others considered the aggression should be met by a declaration of parliament—and the go vernmcnt themselves thought it should be by a parlia mentary declaration in the shape of tai act of parliament, carrying with it the concurrence of both houses of parlia ment and of the crown. (Hear, hear.) But whether they decided upon the one or the other, what was really required was a declaration aimed at the particular act which it was intended to meet, reciting that act, and declarint it to be void and illegal, and thereby also declaring that if any foreign power issued or committed any act pretending to sovereignty in these realms, such acts and such pretensions were illegal and void, and that from the morneut of such declaration by parliament, if not before, such act or anything that might be done under its autho rity, ceased to have any legal effect in this country. But then his hon. and learned friend said Very true, but you have not declared that other rcscripts, bulls, or letters apostolic which may hereafter be issued by the Pope of a similar nature are equally void." (Hear, hear.) He (Lord J. Russell) owned it appeared to him that in stead of strengthening the declaration by so extending it they would really weaken it. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman had commented very severely on the terms of the first clause. It was true the government were responsible for that clause in so far as that they had adopted it. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman argued that that clause was insufficient,inasmuch as it was confined to the one rescript, but if on that account censure fell upon the government it must fall much more heavily on the honourable and learned member for Midhunt, who bad proposed it in its present form, confining it to the one rescript. (Heir, hear.) With regard to the particular case of Ireland, he had always con tended that any bill of this nature introduced into par liament must affect del whole of the United Kingdom, last at the same time he considered the circumstances 1 Ireland in regard to this act very different from doss of this country. The present Pore, when he was appointed, found that from some forty years subsequent to the Reformation the I'ope had continued to appoint archbishops and bishops in Ireland by the titles of the ancient sees and he found that not more than 50years ago, when Dr. Trov was appointed, he was styled by the lord lieutenant of that day the Roman c itholic archbishop of Dublin; and following the example of his predecessors, he bad gone on appointing bishops and archbishops in that country. In so doing he might have been acting against the law, but that was a different matter from issuing letters apostolic, parcelling out this realm of England into new dioceses and archdioceses, and appointing persons to rule over them in ecclesiastical affairs as bishops and archbishops. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the Irish bishoprics it was hardly to be expected that the Pope would act differently from his predecessors, and that he would ab stain from appointing bishops as vac melee occurred, but with regard to the rescript of 18-10, that was an aggression he might easily have refrained from, and before issuing the rescript he should have inquired whether or not it would be offensive to the government and people of this country, and whether it would not be exceeding the limits of respect duo to a foreign power? (gear, hear.) Then the hon. and learned gentleman turned to the enacting parts of the bill, with respect to which he pro posed certain amendments. One of these, which had already been discussed at some length, went to inflict a pe nalty of 1001. for putting in use any bull, rescript,or apostolic letter, for forming a Roman catholic hierarchy in this coun try or constituting and appointing to sees. It appeared to him (Lord J. Russell) that it would be wise to limit this part of the bill to that which was already especially for bidden by the 10 Geo. IV., and to confine it to titles. (Hear, hear.) The next amendment was perhaps of more importance. The hon. and learned gentleman proposed not that any person should be at liberty to bring a suit and endeavour to recover the penalty of 1001. against any person who might infringe the provisions of the act, but that any person might apply to the Attorney-Ge neral for his consent, and having such consent might pur sue a suit against any party offending. Now with regard M that question, it dad appear to him that th e matter was MR OR nearly ffecting the state that the state itself, or Ilsase who represented the state, should be the parties to sorry out the prosecution. Let them consider what was the course in regard to a government prosecution in a ease on which public interest was excited. In all such cases there were four conditions which the govern ment should consider before instituting a state prosecution. The first was, had the offence been committed ?—the second, had they legal evidence of it ?—the third, were they likely to obtain a verdict ?—end the fourth was, would any public end be answered by the prosecution ? Now with regard to the two first questions there was not a week passed in which there were not libels published which were offences against the laws, and on which evi dence to sustain a prosecution might not be obtained, but in most of them they would find that though a judge would pronounce the act charged to be • libel under the law, the jury and the public would be likely to look on the prosecution as an act of tyranny instituted for the purpose of screening a corrupt government, and the liberty of the press would be referred to and main tained, and the government would be defeated. Then came the fourth question—the public end to be answered. It was always a serious matter for the government to decide For the amendment lB5 Against it The announcement of the result was received with loud cheers from the opposition benches. Lord J. RUSSELL said he would not divide at that time on the remaining amendments, but that he would take the sense of the house upon them on the third reading. Sir J. GRAHAM asked the noble lord if he intended to have the bill reprinted, and when he would take the third reading. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no objection to the bill being reprinted. He intended to propose the third reading on Friday next. The amendments were then agreed to, and the bill as amended was ordered to be reprinted and the third reading wu fixed for Friday. OATH OF ABJURATION (JEWS) BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL said he would take the third reading of this bill on Thursday. SUPPLY. The report o a n s zaliply, misoel brought up and to. C URT OF CHANCERY. On the order of the day for the adjourned dente On MO don for an addrole to the crown, estimates, w whether or not any public advents's , would be derived The 80LICITOR-GENERAL stated that the Chancery from a state prosecution. (Hear, hear.) If the Attorney- commission was not. he thought, in need of any addition to General and the government acted as he supposed its numbers, but that it was pursuing a well-directed and they would act, they would prosecute, if the case extensive course of investigation, and he hoped that it was a proper one for a prosecution ; and, if they would enable him to place before the house a mass of thought it was not, the Attorney-General would tefuse his valuable and practical information. permission. The lion. and learned gentlemen's clause, Mr. E. ELLICE said that the lay world deriv.al very therefore, would be useless. (Hear.) With regard to the little advantage from inquiries by professional men. Ile offence which had been committed by a foreign power, it dwelt upon the iniquities and abuses of the Court of Chan was their duty to declare that that offence was eery (especially the masters' offices), and said that there was against the law of this country, and thereby to an absolute denial of justice there. He could not conceive vindicate the majesty of the throne and the why measures of reform which had been applied to other freedom and independence of the nation. That they departments of the law could not be enforced in regard to (the government) proposed to du by the preamble, with the Chancery, but he was quite certain that nothing would be addition of the first clause. And they should by penalties done so long as the affair was left to the lawyers. The prevent assumption of titles under the rescript, and that assistance of merchants and accountants ought to be in they did by the second clause. The hon. and learned gcn voiced for dealing with the purely commercial matters fieman proposed to divide the house on the nature of the which formed so large a share of the business of the Court first declaration, and to add another offence to that of the of Chancery. assumption of titles. His opinion was, instead of strength- The MASTER of the ROLLS declared his willingness to ening the bill by that change he would but divide romote any chancery reform which was really consistent those who were the opponents of this aggression, with equity. But he did not think that accountants could and thereby weaken the effect of the measure. deal with the complicated questions which made necessary (Hear, hear.) On this it would be fur the house the majority of chancery suits. Misapprehension of the to decide. They could not but have remarked—tor it was real character of the chancery suit frequently misled those done significantly—the retirement from the house of the who, being practically unacquainted with it, expected it to whole body of Roman catholic me mbers w ho represented he terminated like an ordinary action at law. He dwelt boroughs and counties in Ireland : it was done in an oisten- upon the reforms which he said had already been effected, tatious manner, as it' those hon. members intended to take and added that many more were under consideration. no part in the proceedings on this question. By their ab- After a few remarks from Mr. Co ItISTUPII seine they must be considered as consenting parties to what- Mr. BETIIELL gave further details respecting the titan ever the - • of the house - decide, told if the eery business, and the improvements contemplated by the , Mr. HENLEY, whom it was proposed to add to the com mission, urged the necessity of reforming this branch of our judicature, and hoped that government would tuna their attention speedily to the subject. Mr. J. EVANS confirmed the statement of Mr. ELLICE, that the great source of mischief was in the master's office. Sir .1. GRAHAM told the house frankly that he was weary of inquiry, and that on this subject they had inquired too much. lie had for two sessions devoted a large portion of his time to un inquiry before a committee of that house, composed of some of the most distinguished lawyers. in their report they were unanimous; iu fact they had pre sented two reports. The facts on which the committee had reported were before the house two sessions, and yet nothing had been done. This was a fatal omen. It showed how fruitless reports and investigations were when the house had not the spirit to act, and make improvements. The noble lord at the head of the Treasury could not do better than give effect to the recommendations of the committee. If there was one abuse more patent than another it was that with reference to the hour warrants, an abuse which in Ireland had been abolished years ago. The masters, moreover, went to their offices much later, and left them much earlier, than the judges of the common law courts. If the government would propose a great, extensile, and satis factory reform they might succeed in effecting it, even in the present session of parliament, and with the consent of both houses; and the profession itself ought to to anxious to see a reformation brought about. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he seas ready to admit that many reforms ought to be made in the Court of Chancery. At the same time, it was uo great encouragement to make reforms when it would place complaints exactly as they were before the reforms were made. Ile had made inquiries and found that the suits set down at the beginning of the term were heard before the end ; and the late Lord Cotten hum had intarrned him that at the termination of the term he had asked whether there were any further appeals, and that he was answered in the negative. Doubtless there was a very considerable arrest at present in the Court of Chan cery; still, few would deny that it was far better conducted now than it had been 15 or 20 years ago. The hour war rants, fur instance, had for some time past been set aside. In a complicated state of society like that in England, it would be impolitic to say that the existing system should at once be set aside. The house must act in a right direction, and on a proper foundation • and every plan of improvement must be sifted,examined, and deliberately considered before it was adopted. It was very easy to say that the whole sys tem ought to be put an end to. Let it be recollected that there never was a country in which there was a more com plicated system of accounts, connected with land at home and tramaetious abroad, than England ; and if they asked him why matters of this kiwi should not be rolved by one simple process, he would inquire of them why they didnot explain the whole Notarial theory by one simple proposi tion. (Hear, hear.) The system of keeping the accounts at the war and naval offices could be altered at the end of the year if they were faulty, but the Court of Chancery hail uo such power. At i the mine time there was no part of the business of the Court of Chancery which appeared so much to require amendment as the matter of complicated accounts. It was one of those questions which ought to lie decided according to the usual method in which men of business keep their accounts; and when the Masters of Chancery had decided questions of law and title they should say, with regard to matters of account, " we have now laid down the principle's of law applicable to this case, and you, as men of business, must now look into these matters of account." Ile thought that an amendment of that kind was very much wanted, and be saw no obstacle that could he alleged in the way of making it. (Hear, hear.) There were other questions with which it would not be so easy to deal. As to fees, on which it was said the bill was silent, he had thought it right that the Lord Chancellor should have the opportunity of looking at all those matters; his attention had been called to them from the first day he held the great seal; and he was really desirous of establishing such a s a t= w fr o . u s ld to wo i r i k ie w a c in ll o fo u r nt the or su .,o itors. l. ll . e y h ea ad r already ,ar hear)—a proof that he was not opposed to reform in this matter. l'ho office of the " chaff.wax," as the right hon. bare. called him, hail been abolished. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM—And his deputy ? Lord J. RUSSELL—No, not the deputy. With regard to the seven secretaries the number might be too many; but it should be remembered that the Lord Chancellor j was at the head of a great department, embracing a vast variety of subjects; and with respect to lunacy and, other matters it was necessary that he should have persons of considerable ability and knowledge of the law. To the motion of the hon. and learned gentleman (Mr. Stuart), fur adding to the commission two persons not belonging to the profession of the law, he had no objection if it were thought that such appointment would be of utility. It might be productive of some benefit to the public ; and it was desirable also that some non-professional gentlemen— though he did not envy them their task—(laughter)— should get an insight into these technical details, which, without a great deal of attention, it was very difficult to understand, and which was certainly one of the obstacles to reform in the Court of Chancery. As to any proceeding in the present session, he thought that if, in the course of the recess, the commission was enabled to make a report, they might next session proceed effectually upon a matter which, two centuries ago, had baffled the genius and sturdy ' wills of the reformers of Cromwell's time. (Hear.) Mr. .1. ST I.:ART expressed his gratitude to the noble lord for consenting to his proposal with regard to the ap pointment of two non-professional gentlemen on the coin : mission. The other part of his motion referred to hour : warrants, Lord J. RUSSELL.—I do not object to that either. The motion was then agreed to. COURT OF CHANCERY AND JUDICIAL colt miTTEE (ANNUITY.) After a few wards from Sirli. Wilmot:m[Bv, this report was received, SEQUESTRATION OF BENEFICES BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, Sir G. GREY opposed it, on the ground that no reasons had been shown for the bill. Ile moved that it be real a second time that day six months. Mr. FItEWEN said that the bill was one which ought to be taken up by the government themselves. After this he gave them notice that he would divide on every govern ment bill till the end of the session that was brought on after 12 o'clock. The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took place ; and it was understood that the bill had been negatived. An attempt was then made to count out the house, and the gallery was again cleared ; but there being 10 mem bers present, the remaining orders were disposed of, and the house adjourned at a few minutes before one o'clock. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BlLL—Pairs on Sir F. Thesiger's amendment: Mr. Clements against with Sir It. Gore Booth fur; Mr. Lloyd Moityn against with Sir Wm. Codrington for ; Sir R. F. Davie against with Mr. Brent ridge for; Mr. C. W. Grenfell against with Lord Edwin Rill for. Mr. Beaumont Coles was shut out and prevented voting in favour of Mr. Roebuck's motion on the Danish GREENWICH ELECTION-RETURN OF ALDERMAN SALOMONS. The following appeared in our second edition last night:— TII KEE O'CLOCK. Salomon 1,901 Wire Majority for Salomon+, 083. CLOSE OF THE POLL. Fora O'CLOCK. Salomon Wire Majority fur Salomons, 897. Alderman Salomona appearing on the hustings, was received with loud cheers. He said that, although the of result would not be announced until the morning (this ' day), he knew enough from the committees to know that he had to thank them for electing him a representative for their large and populous horough. Ile considered it no small honour to have such a majority—nearly 900—the largest, he believed, ever obtained by any member returned for Greenwich. (Cheers.) He hoped to be able to realise the most sanguine expectations of the electors. LORD BROUOITAII AND " COURTS OF RECONCILE ifirer."—A somewhat singular return has just been printed by order of the Rouse of Lords, on the motion of Lord Brougham, showing for 20 years the great advantage which it is stated has resulted from the cases treated by the Com missioners of the Courts of Reconcilement in Denmark. It will be sufficient to give the result of the last year in the return-1846. In that year 24,625 cases were undertaken. 16,068 were adjusted or stopped, 324 were postponed, 8,233 wtn referred to the liTf courts, and 2,761 were tne4, {;