The Express. — London, England, 1853-07-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT,ICLY 18. The LOILD eII•NCILLOV. took his teat at 5 o'clsek. PETITIONS PRESENTED. el,t• —By tbo Karl of DERBY, from Warnirk, pray ing fer a reduction of the tax on British salt imported into ludic N vientittes.—By the Earl of DERBY, from Fyfe, praying for en inspection el nunneries. (SCuILAND) BILL. —By Lord BRULMIAM, from several hundreds of spirit dealers in Scotland, against this bill. LAW OF LANDLORD AND TENANT (IF.ELAND). The Marquis of CLANRICARDE gave hot,:ce that he would to-m.arow (this day) lay on the table • Lill relating to the law of landlord and tenant in Ireland. RUSSIA AND TURXEY. Ito Earl of MALMESIWRY-1 wish to call the atten tion of the house to a matter of some consequence at this moment, and to ask • question relating to it of my noble Mead the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. Sowed your lord-hips have already observed upon the tone and language of two notes that have appeared from the Russian government—two circular notes ad dressed to their diplomatic agents throughout Europe. I make no observation upon the tenor and sub ject of those notes, excepting to say that I do not agree with the premises laid down in many parts of those documents; and therefore I cannot agree to the arguments tousled on what I consider erroneous premise". (Rear, hear.) But I have been waiting with considerable imps tience—and I think your lordships must have joined in the same feeling—for an answer from the government to those two circular notes. I have been particularly anxious to avoid embarrassing the government in any way, by any observation relating to the unfortunate occurrecom going on in the East ; but I think it is now time, for the dignity of this country-1 think it is fair on the part of the opposi tion—to ask her Majesty's government now whether they have made any reply to those notes, and whether, If net, they intend to reply and publish their reply in the name manner as the Russian government adopted when they circulated those document'? I think it lees ob jectionable to ask this question to-day, because the French government, now in alliance with us in carrying out the objects we have in common, has wade an able, firm, but yet very calm answer—(bear, hoer)—to them circular notes. I think if her Majesty's government delay answering thou documents, they will run the rick of being miaapprehended or misunderstood, for Mince proverbially means content. We have been already told by my noble friend that he does not agree in all the statements in those documents—(hear, hear, from the Earl of Clarendon)—but it may be the cause of misapprehension, sad her Majesty's government may be accused of being unable to answer those notes, and even of fearing to answer them, under alarm at the acts of a powerful nation which is now attracting the attention of the whole world. I will, therefore, earnestly beg her Majesty's government to state to the house sod the country whether they have answered those metes—one or both of them—and whether they in tend, if they have answered them, that the reply should be made public—however unusual that mode of treating diplomatic documents may be—in the same way as the Rus sian sad French government* have done ? The Earl of CLARENDON—I certainly admit, my lords, that my noble friend bas earefully abstained from embarreseing her Majesty's government, in any way, on this important question, which is now engaging public attention ; and I think my noble friend is also perfectly aware of the reuses, the only reasons, why her Majesty's government have wished to delay and postpone any dims- sion on this subject. It wa. in the interests of paste, and with • view not to impair those chances, such u they were of bringing this question to a peaceable issue. (Hear, hear.) My noble friend must be aware that the mode adopted ny the government in my department of obtaining and receiv ing information is very different from that which seam • rily obtains in Ramis and Frazee. It is consequently may foe the Russian and French governments to give the public nook information as they may think necessary at the time whoa they consider it most convenient. It is the practice Letitia country to lay the papen bearing altogether on the salSoct before parliament; sad this is the course which her Majesty's government has undertaken to adopt, and which they will very shortly proceed to take. The whole of them papers will be laid before your lordships and the other house of parliament. With respect to the two notes to which my settle friend has alluded, and the observations which be has Mann eat as to the capacity or the courage which we may jamas la answering them, with regard to the Brat point, it tY net far me to pronounce an opinion as to the duty which devolves es me, but as to any fear of answering them, I brut my noble friend will be perfectly satisfied that se mesh emprehmalm at any time aniseed, either on my mind, or es that of any other member of her Majesty's government' (Chews.) To the Ant note no regular answer was mat, br issue the greater part of it alluded to the negotiations which had been originated with the French embassy at Osastantisople, and the eagetlatises to which they after wards led ; and the rainless et that men had bees fans Mined by previous sommualeadens hem her Majesty's p ennant to the cabinet of 81. Petersburg ; • ponies of it, arenever, has been answered in substanee, but sot is the fans of • regular answer Ia • esbeemeest de apassit. The second circular note from Omen Nes mired* was sae of a dlifereat elreasar, sad esetsialy did require an mower, sad it was hemsdleeely amwered, and that answer has game M St. Pefiellaegli. (Hear, bear) I have oily further to add, that the elan= was in entire conformity with the site of the ?Wadi p• verament, as ladled, I may say, the whole our penes& lags have been. (Cheers.) The Earl of MILLMZSBURY-1 have ao doubt that it my mobile fraud chess to answer these now, that he would dose perfectly to the satisfaction el this country ; but I think my noble Mond is mistakes is hawing an analogy Manse these anis sad diplomas ceereepeadeues going ea Weems am ematelm, arid which is entirely sewn, and labia the proper time arrives it any be laid on your lord ships' table. Hat them circular sous are not private cot sespeadease—they are an appeal to all Europe—they ban been published is the St. Petersburg!' Gwen*, and are ad dressed and Intended to hermit by every motors that can teal is Skov& I sawn help tbiakbeg that We Majesty's Iprisamast sib aa eneaseit dew of the ease, sad that Ihey will bong on themselves esaiderable obloquy. tea abroad aad at biome, la set answering those eirealer metes in the mats mama I. which they an delivered. Lied HiLAEMONT biped his noble bird would not DD- Ss* te ghe ea answer tea tweed= which be was about to put to him, if Ms ea acing would not be siorapanied by may breavesisree le the public emir. He wished to ask Mudge friend, after what be had stated, when he eapeeted Is be ebb to lay time paper before parliament—is bow shirt a time hi smiled M be able to put them in periodos of what the goveransect bad dose. lie was inclined to put Sr wear to his noble Mend in consequence of the en traordiaary position in which both parliament and the country were placed with regard to the knowledge of what was going on, because while the utmost publicity was gives to the policy, intentions, actions, and opinions of Ruda, the nest replete mystery involved eves the opinions, pro reedier, and policy of this country. It was true that they were told that England and France were negotiating la the interests of the Forte and of peace, and they bad further reason to hope that Austria and Prussia bad taken a part, is conjunction with England and Franco, is the 'maintenance of the inurpendence of the Porte and peace throughout Europe. But, while this was the case, Bunk was acting as though no negotiation whatever was going on. While they were told that negotiations for peace were pending, Russia was absolutely making war. This was an awkward position fur countries like England and France to be placed in, and it was only reasonable that both parliament and the country shon!cl be informed how long they were to be kept hn suspense, and how soon the 'ews, intentions, and policy of the government would be aide known. Tku Earl of CLARENDON—I can assure my noble OrieNl that it is no small sacrifice to her Majesty's govern seat to have asked for the postponement of the discussion, silo have delayed placing before the house the fullest in- Ibrination on the subject. We feel that parliament and the public have a perfect right to be informed in the man ses in which my noble friend points out, and it has been our desire that there should be no unnecessary delay ; but laced not go over again the reasons which have induced us to ask for this delay. In answer to my noble friend, however, I will say that 1 think a very few days will be sufficient to show whether the negotiations that are on foot hrtll succeed or not ; and whether they do succeed or not, es soon as these few days are ever, I can promise your lord ships that the whole of the papers shall be laid on the table of your lordship& house. (Dear, hear.) The Marquis of CLANRICARDE—I wish to know if any information has reached my noble friend at the Foreign-office of the Russians basing assumed the civil government of Moldavia, so Well as the military occupation eif that prinelpality d Because, I have seen it stated that the Post-dace has been taken possession of by the Russian authorities, and that the Russian troops had advanced to lb* Danube. If t►at is so, it is not merely a military occu pation for the purpose of carrying on negotiations after wards ; but it appears that the capital of the province has bean taken possession of, the whole administration of the government has been seised by the Russians, and they have made Moldavia, and not Bessarabia, the base of their opera time for advancing on the Danube. I wish to know whe ther the troops are advancini towards the Danube, oe who they are mill in the occupation of Jassy and the parts adjacent ? The Earl of CLARENDON—We have no information of the kind to which my noble friend has alluded. I have seen it stated in the newspapers that the post.oiliee has been seised, and that the Russian authorities have taken on themselves other administrative functions. No such in formation, however, has reached the government ; on the contrary, we have every reason to believe that no advance towards the Danube has been made, but that the llospoder is still in the exercise of his functions. Your lordships will recollect that the manifesto of Prime Gorgtschikoff, on entering the principalities, enjoined the people to obey the existing authorities, and promised that there should be no disturbance of the existing institution,. I therefore think it is not probable that so very shortly otter the issue of that proclamation, the proceedings to which my noble friend alludes could have taken place. Lord BEAUMONT—You are very sanguine. (A laugh.) TRANSPORTATION BILL. Altar a abort conversation in a low tons across the table, between the Lord Chancellor, Lord Sc. tone, and the Duke of Newcastle, the house went into committee on this bill. Clasen 1 to 4 Wm agreed to. Oa clause 4, The LORD CHANCELLOR explained that the object of the clause was to substitute for the punishment of seven years' transportation a punishment of four years' penal servitude, which was considered to be practically the same in extent, because, though the sentence of transportation wee seminally for seven years, the convict was seat to pri sm Is, • year and a half or two years, end afterwards was seat to labour at one of, the convict establishments. The clause was agreed to, as were clauses up to 8. On class* 8, The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the object of the clause, which was to provide work at one of the public establishments at (kapott, or Portland Island, or else where' after the convict bad left prison, so that he might not be compelled to ge back to his old haunts, and might have an inducement to behave himself well. In order that they should not come into competition with the labourers in the district, the work imposed upon them would he harder, and the wages smaller, than was imposed on others. The convicted thieves of London, for instance, would not be permitted to come within a certain distance of the me tropolis. He hoped that when these persons were for some time employed in the public works that they would be received back into society as reformed or partially reformed enaracters. He was net insane enough to suppose that the system would effect ell that they wished, but it was the hest that, under the circumstances, suggested itself to the government, and he trusted that it would to some extent NOW*: the object they had in view. The Earl of HARROWBY thought that it would be by so means desirable to accumulate large bodies of convicts is particular localities. He thought the inhabitants of such districts would complain very loudly of such a think. He would suggest that the convicts be seat out of the coun try, and that a certain punishment be imposed upon them if they returned. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the clause was not constructed with the view of compelling large ag gregations of convicts in particular localities, but It was necessary when they were driven from prison, that they should be furnished with the means of existence so as to give them *very possible motive for seeking an improved mode of existence in other parts of the country than those which bad been the haunts of their crimes. iiiloiCnicuisraz, which were ineedible, _ _ _ The Earl of HARDWICHE said they would place the loeslities in tLis country, where these convicts were sent, in the same position that they placed the colonies, and the same outcry would be raised. His conviction was that the seem would utterly fail. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said the object was not to online them to any locality, but that no one should come out of prison end say that he was not able to obtain work. After these persons were employed for some time on public works, he thought it was extremely probable—looking to the want of labour which at present existed—that other persons would seek their labour, end that they would be brought back into society. If they were to expatriate these persons, other countries would have reason to complain that the vice engendered hero had been thrown upon them. (Hear, bear.) The Bari of ELLENDOROUGH said that he thought the measure for a uniform system of police throughout the country ought to go pari passer with this measure, for he believed that those gentlemen who issued from the prisons in a state of incipient virtue would require to be closely watched by the police, and that this measure of great humanity would depend very much for its success on the strength with which they exercised their batons. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Whilst legislating for the amelioration of those who committed crime, they ought to take into their con sideration that yet uncontaminated portion of society who might be of by what they were now attempting to carry , into operation. After • few words from the Duke of BUCCLZUCH, the elauW was agreed to, as were the other clauses of the bill. THE INDIAN SALT TAX, &c. The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented • petition from the Bristol Chamber of Commerce, praying that the mono poly of salt exercised by the East Inds' Company might be abolished, but that, should it be considered still expe dient to levy a tax on this necessary of life, it should be in such a form u to press less heavily ,on the poor of India than the present system of taxation. NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND. TM sail of DO:WOO/1HOUR roes to call the attention N the been to the present condition of the system of aellesal education in Ireland, sad to move for • copy of the reelleals lately adopted by the Board of National Ichumnien excluding the we of certain books for the wheels under their sanagensent; and to sok whetbw, is consequeasse of such reedutioa, may sa d wad amber' have realgasi their sesta at the board Is midi that is bringing &smut this abject, be did not esunelate the opiate. - of say Indy or clue of me. The spas had now Less hs igen*. for twenty yeseedcanag bees originally Amid by Lord Derby, who demdbld it as es an of mailed easalier and separate religions baron tbs. It was net hiesded, however, that the rellgloue etrastrta should be entirely seprened from the mass. as wesevideme hen a Isnot of ish lertaiWe is Oseeher, 1831. The guesting he virtu& to pat to au milk earl were —tree, whether the reilltioas boobs, the yew • ex trade, and the 'climes of Christiaaity, telish• gri t d ry Maud put of the origrtal eyeless of an eleatien, led bun pr ohibi ted by a neela• (theme heard ? and, timidly, whinber a neon ewe. pre lude Archbishop et Dublin) sad nee ether distin guished member of the heard had resigned their Nan in aniegnease et that suelaties I The nest TIM Mkt., Gem he amesssumeat of the nubs, had certainly been its peat supp deriv ed for "*e gnat influence which be so deservedly from his vast knowledge sad his high pities la ths church had always been applied for the IIISIMINI•11111 sag "Mention of the system of as timed deed's. lithe nod reverend prelate had resigned, be apprehended that his pace's hopes meat have been dis =a ted, end that he bad found it impossible to stem the of altassostane opinions which appeared to have bronco ia upon the board. If that were so, he could not but think the government bad considered it necessary to revise the whoa system with a view to see whether some other system might not be adopted for Ireland to meet the views of all parties by removing the existing reetriodean (Bear, bar.) The noble earl corcluded by noting lee a copy of the resolution of the board. The Earl of ABERDEEN said it was quit* a mistake to appose that all the books had beenobjected to. The Scripture lessons and the volume of sacred poetry still continued to be used just as they always bad been. (Hear.) The only work in question was the " Lemons on the Truth of Christianity," which had always been objected to by Rearm catholic' in terested in schools, and the board had now dessesdead so longer to use it as • part of the joint educedca bat mites it was read in schools to ass it as a part of the ammo Bali. giros instruction. The united system bad conferred Woo adaatage, advantagee on the people of Ireland. Indeed, he (the Earl of Aberdeen) dil not know anything that had ever brought such blessings upon that country;—(cheers)—end notwithstand ing the differences to which be had referred, he still trusted that nothing would take place to impair, or even to p , the extension of a system hole which so much good hail been derived and from which so much more might be hoped. (Hear, hear.) He was sorry to my that he did not perceive any great probability of an understanding being arrived at with respect to those differences ; but the most rev. prelate had not ceased to be a member of the board. He bad had no communication with any other member of that body, and therefore he was unable to answer the question of the noble earl respecting them. Of mane there mold not be the aliehtert obj.ction to the motion of the noble earl; for the paper for which he asked wcoild, a. a matter of course, have been laid in due time before par• Dement. In conclusion, he had only te add that he (Lord Aberdeen) saw nothing whatever is what had recently ft mimed to make him alter his opinion as to the value of the eyelets, or his expectations of the ultimate success that would attend it. The Earl of LIARIi.OWDY inquired whether the fact was nnt, that wherever the parents of any one child objected to the nee of these books, the scripture eztncts were not read in the school ? The Earl of ABERDEEN replied that, under the Bth rule, wherever the parents of any c , ald objected to the joint study of any hook, such book was to be transferred to the time for separate instruction. Recently, however. a member of the beard, had moved and carried en alte ration of that rule, and the matter was now under a diffe rent regulstion. Lord MONTEAGLE considered that to allow a single parent not to withdraw his child from the study of any book to which be objectvd but entirely to negative the use of that book, was a proposition too monstrous to admit of defence. The Earl of ABERDEEN—That was under the old system, and that had always been the regulation from the very first, until hat week, when an alteration.had been muds which prohibi!ed a single child sir his parents from cawing a book to be transhrred from the united to the srperate instruction. The present state of the matter was this—instead of the former erbi , rary rule, it was provided that instead of the boa Was rejected on the complaint of • child's parent, the child himself should be withdrawn while the loy.k was being taught. (Cheers.) Lord MONTEAGLE said that that was precisely what he was contending for. With respect to the scripture ex-' tracts, they had received the sanction of the highest Roman catholic authorities, and had bean used is the model schools at Dublin. They ware used in the schools with which he (the noble lord) wee himself connected, and in all the best regulated institutions of the kind in the kinglets.; and their withdrawal would be • matter of thd greatest poesible regret. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of DERBY.—If the question had been, as stated by the noble earl opposite, it was difficult to imagine bow the right rev. prelate could have thought of retiring from the boaro. But he (Lord Derby) was much afraid that the noble earl was wholly mistaken in the effect which he had attributed to the resolution ; and that so far front its having been one of the purport stated by the noble earl, it war one of a precisely opposite character. If the system was now so altered u altogether to e eel ude all religions instruction from Roman catholic children frequenting the achools,then he said one of the great and paramount objects contemplated by the original system would be defeated, and the system would be justly open to that censure which he thought it had not hitherto been open to, via., that it was exclusively • secular system of education altogether disregarding religious instruction as a matter of no moment or necessity. He should be extremely glad to find that the noble earl's was Ilse correct version of the ease ; they would see whether the as so or not when the resolution itself was laid upon the table of the house; but he would at once grant to the noble earl opposite that the exclusion of the book on the Evidence of Christianity was not of itself a sufficient ground for breaking up the board, but if the resolution in question would bear the sense that it was intended to exclude still further anything like religious instruction from the schools it would be fatal to the object, as well as the beneficial effects of the system, in such cane the protestant members of the board who could not conscieotiou.ly assent to such a determination, would not only be justified but bound to withdraw from • system which, from the first depended for its success upon the mutual and harmonious working of the members of the different religions persuasions, and especially upon the balance being impartially held between protestant and Roman catholic. But if the protestant members of the board were now to be outvoted, whatever respect or regard he might have for the system, he should not hesitate in coming to the conclusion that the basis upon which it was originally founded had been broken. The Earl of ABERDEEN must still adhere to his on ginal statement—that the resolution did not preclude re ligious teaching in the schools. The Earle( DERBY did not think so, but at all events it was at direct variance with the principle of • combined system of education. Ceder this resolution any child in the school might object to the Scripture lessons being read, and then it would not form part of the combined in struction which it was originally contemplated was to be given in these schools. In point of fact, as the resolution stood, the parent or guardian of any child had the power of putting a veto upon the book being used in the ordinary schools, and thus the beneficial ir Beene. of the system in • religious point of view would be entirely destroyed. The Estl of HARROWBY had been ignorant until now that the parent or guardian of the child possessed the power of objecting to the use of religions books, but cer tainly whether that had been the ease hitherto or not, this resolution would bear such an interpretation as to give it to him now. _ _ Lord MONTRAOLIC said he had never heard any sug gestion before now of the right of • parent or guar dians to object to a book in such a manner as to alter the discipline in practice at a school, and he did not think such an interpretation of the rule could be allowed to prevail long. Lord DONOUGHDIORE thought the resolution was manifestly open to great objection, while he was afraid it would give rise to great injustice. Suppose, for instance, that there was a school entirely composed of protestanta and protestant dissenters, under this resolution the Roman catholic priest could get a child sent to the school in order to prevent the Scripture 'struts being read during the ordinary school hours, and it was perfectly plain that in the end the whole system of a combined secular and religions education would be set aside. The motion was then agreed to. PUBLIC-ROUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL. The house then went into committee. The bill then passed through committee, and was reported to the house. THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 19, 1853. 1 mendatiems was limited to two, and this was the letter of Capt. Richards, the superintendent of the Chatham yard. (The right • honourable baronet then read a letter, to the effect that both the parties recommended were deserving, but giving the preference to Baines.) The paragraph in the Morning Harald stated that the per- sons recommended were Pattison and Baines. Those were the two names, but the order in which they stood was esaetly the reverse of that given. The recommenda tion was "Charles Baines, shipwright, or Thomas Pstti sen." (Rear, hear.) Re held in his hand the report of 1 the surveyor of the navy, on which the board acted, and ;it declared that the first of the men named was first in order of merit and claim to be advanced. In consequence of seeing the paragraph on Saturday, he consmunicated with Captain Richards, the superintendent of the 1 Chatham Dockyard, and he would now read to the house the answer to his inquiries. Captain Richards said : ; (The rightibon. baronet then read the letter,:in which Capt. 1 Richards declared that he placed Baines first because he was the better man, and had had twenty•nine years' ser ' Tice, while Pattison had had only twelve; and that their leanings were, the writer heard, as described in ' the newspaper. It was added that Baines was ' forty-nine years of age arid Pattison tLirty• four.) Now, there was a colour of truth in the statement which appeared in the Morning Herald. It was true that Pat• t son had been for some time employed at the mast-house, and that Baines bad been only recently employed there. The ezplaaation of the matter, however, was this. For some time past, antecedently, he believed, to the appoint ment of the former Board of Admiralty, Pattison, having a disease of the heart, had been allowed to work in the mast-house, on aecount of the labour there being lighter than on the dock side. On the other hand, Baines was • hard working shipwright, older than the man who had such indulgence shown him in being admitted into the mast-house; and as the reward of harder work, greater age, longer service, better health, and greater fitness, he had been preferred. (Hear, hear.) SEIM:RR OF COSTA AT SMYRNA. Sir J. WALMSLRY asked the noble lord the member for whether he will the City of London —...enicate to the house any information with respect to the violation of the Turkish territory by the captain of an Austrian ship of war, who was reported to have seized an Hung irian refugee, resi• dent in Smyrna, and to have carried him on hoard the Aus trian vessel without the concurrence of the Turkish autho rities ; and also whether it was true, as reported, that the Austrian government had demanded the expulsion of all Hungarian refugees from Turkey ? Lord J. RUSSELL said—Sir, with regard to the first question of the hon. gentleman, I have to state that it sp. peen that when the Austrian government claimed the surrender of certain refugees who were residing in Turkey two or three years ago, there was among them a person nameu Costa. The 'Turkish government did not agree to surrender those refugees ; but it consented to send them out of the territory of Turkey. Accordingly, among those who left the territory of Turkey was a person of the name of Costa. It was understood that he went to the United States of America. He latel returned to Constantinople, and he was afterwards at Smyrna. It appears further, that the Austrian consul, instead of applying to the Turkish authorities for adopting means for the remival of this per son. according to the agreement between the Austrian and the Turkish governments, took steps for seizing him and placing him on board an Aus trian ship of war. It is, at the same time, stated, as I understand, by the Austrian consul, that he did this with the consent of the Turkish governor at Smyrna. On that point I have not any positive informa tion, but that statement has been made. With regard to the second point, whether it is true that the Austrian go vernment has demanded the expulsion of all Hungarian re fuges' from Turkey, I beg to say that her Mojesty's go vernment have received no intelligence to that effect. THE SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. H. DRUMMOND said, on the motion for the ad journment of the house on Friday next, he should put a question to the noble lord the member for the City of London, with the view of assertaining whether or not it was possible to have the pabßeemonets made op to another period of the year, in seder that parliament might not sit during the winter, bat daring the summer ? PRIVILEGE. Mr. BRIGHT moved for a select committee to inquire into the allegations contained in the petitions of certain electors and iehahittusts of the city of Peterborough, which were presented upon the Ist day of July, complaining of the interference of the Earl Fitswilliam, s peer of the realm, at the election in December lest, and at previous elections of members to city. Io moving ter this committee he should take up very little time of the house, because he did not wish to create controversy in the house with regard to this question. He should confine himself to a few simple fates. It was painful to him to appear in the position in some degree of accuser of Lord Fitzwillisso for whose private character, and for whose public char acter du, in many respects, he had always entertained a very high regard ; but, having had pieced in his bands a petition signed by 219 eleeton of the borough of Peterborough, there being not more than 600 in all, he felt that it was quite impossible to refuse to mann iS me it would be impossible, he be lieved, for the house to refuse inquiry slier hea ring the statements which it contained. The petition referred to the election which took place in July last at the general election, and then to the election which took place in De cember consequent upon the death of the gentleman who was returned to July. The petitioners stated that at both the elections the Right Hon. Earl Fitzwilliam, through the instrumentality of Misstate and servants, interfered for the purpose of controlling the voters. Another allegation was that the petitioners believed that the petition presented to that hous against the return of one of the pres.nt sitting mem bers for the borough was not the petition of the perdu whose assess were appended to it, but Earl Fitzwilliam, and that the expense, incurred in prosecuting that petition were defrayed by his lordship. They stated that Earl interference would completely destroy the independence of the city. They stated, further, that notices to quit bad been served on all Lord Fitswilliasn's tenants who had refused to vote for his lordship's nominee, and in other cases when the tenants had voted against him, or abstained from voting at all. They stated, also, that the local interests of the borough were injured by its being repre sented by &nominee, as the representative was bound to study the interests of his patron and not awe of his constituency. in parliament. The petitioners, who were exceedingly modest in their aspirations, thought that the time bad come when they should have the 'election of one of their own members, and they were perfectly willing that the nomi nation of the other should remain with Eul Fitzwilliam. (Rear, hear.) He had also to state that another petition had been presented to the house, signed by • large number of ratepapen, who were not electors, praying that the house would give its attention tie the prayer of the electors, and give such relief u parliament in its wisdom might deem expedient. The electors' petition declared that the exer cise of the franchise was calculated to inflict positive injury upon those who ventured to vote against Lord Fitswillians's candidate, as they became the object of the most vindictive persecution ; while, on the other hand, if they violated their consciences by supporting him, they out raysd their ova selfastenn,and sank in the opinion of their fellow citizens. The petitioners were aware that it was • high misdemeanour for • peer to interfere In the election of members of the House of Commons, and they prated, there fore, that a select committee might be appointed to inquire into the allegations of their petition, and also into the asser tion that the charges of the recent election petition bad been defrayed by Earl Fimwilliam, and not by the ostensible petitioners. The hon. member concluded by moving for • "sleet committee. _ Mood—was left ati oast. for life with remainder to his son in tail, a duty of 10 per cent. was first levied on the father, and on the succession of the eon, perhaps in a very short time, he would have aloe to pay 10 per cent. The case would press particularly hard in the case of a provision for a natural child, to whose son the estate would come in direct succession. He moved, as • proviso, the following :— " Provided always that - when • father is tenant for life of a properly, and his son is either tenant for life, or tenant in tail, fee, remainder, or reversion of the same property, con veyed to him by the same instrument, he shall be deemed a lineal descendant, and pay duty accordingly." The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said this came bad not escaped the attention of the framers of the bill, but if the principle of the bill was considered it would be found to be no hardship. The hon. gen leman said that a successor in such a cam ought not to pay duty according to the relation in which he stands to the giver of the property, but ac cording to his relation to his father, the principle of the bill was, that each person should pay according to the measure of his interest and enjoyment, and as if it was • life annuity. If an old man of 80 vs, left an estate with re mainder to his son who was 40, be would in the first instance pay duty according to the measure of enjoyment, perhaps one year or two, and when the son succeeded his would also pay according to the measure of his enjoyment also—were the amendment to be admitted, it would cause great irregularity in the work ing of the bill. All the different relations of consanguinity must be specially provided for, and the bill would be one entirely of exemptions. After a few words from Mr. Mumastem and Mr. MALMO, urging the adoption of , he amendment, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it would be impossible to accede to the amendment, if only on the ground that the hon. gentleman bad not laid down any reason for this exemption without the necessity of others being provided for. It seemed to apply only to the case of illegitimate children while it raised the whole question of the consanguinity sc ale, which this was not the time to dis cuss. Biz J. PAKINOTON said that the amendment applied to all bequceta to -^ in blood, with limitation to • , strangers their desetiondants, and not as the right hon. hon. gentle man said, only to the case of illegitimate children. In the cue of a stranger the property would be entailed en h;s legitimate son, and he and all his successors would each have to pay ten per cent. instead of nine per cent. The house divided. For the amendment lOO Against it Mr. FRESHFIELD then moved an amendment, the effect of which was to alter the power of appointment in the fourth clause. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL complained that the hon. and learned gentleman should at this stage re-raise a ques tion fully decided in committee; and, after some conversa tion, the amendment was withdrawn. Some verbal amendments proposed by Mr. Fresbfield and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, were agreed to on clause 7. On clause 23, Sir J. PAKINOTON proposed the omission of words with a view to doing away with the cumulative operation of the tax, which, when small proprietors had to pry the arrears of four yearo, would cause the greatest mischief, amounting almost to confiscation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pointed out that what the right hon. gentleman objected to had been proposed as a great leniency to the landowner. The ques tion that this was a legitimate tax had already been de cided ; and that being so, it was a palpable benefit to the landowner that in certain eases he should have a credit of four or five years to pay the tax in. (Hear, hear.) After setae farther discussion the amendment was nega tived. Mr. MALINS proposed to leave out the whole of the 23rd clause. He considered that nothing could be more un reasonable than to tax ornamental timber, which the owner did not cut. The house divided:— For the amendment " 77 Against it ll7-40 Mr. CAYLEY said as a general rule timber land was not more valuable than arable or pasture land, while single trees and did harm than good. He would, • hedgerows, _more _ ee. therefore, move as an amendment that it should be at the option of the successor to have timber estimated fer the purposes of the act at the same ree as arable, pasture, or other land of similar quality immediately adjoining. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was sorry that he could not consent to the insertion of the proposed words, first because it would not be applicable to park tim ber, and secondly because it would create the greatest pos sible difficulty in the assessment of value. All ground of objection was removed by the fact of the successor having the option of either paying on the annual receipts or com muting. The amendment was negatived without a division. Sir J. PAKINOTON then moved an amendment, the object of which was to prevent the bill from being retro spective. He could not allow this bill to be passed without again recording his strong objection to what appeared tobim the excessive injustice of adding to the burdens of property, which was already over-taxed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the reason why he had not spoken on the point referred to by the hon. and learned gentleman of late was, that not in one debate only, but in three or four debates, he had said every thing which it wee within the limits of his capacity to con ceive or to inflict on the house. (Hear, hear.) The hon. and learned gentleman's question, whether he thought this clause just; he had not the ).cast hesita tion in replying that he thought it was just. It was not, as the hon. and learned gentlemen supposed, the principle of the bill that men. should pay duty merely on that to which they actually succeeded, but that they should pay it on that to which it was in their order, choice, and option to succeed. (Hear, hear.) If a person anticipated his succession by spending the fruits beforehand the re quirieg him to pay the duty was founded in general justice. It was not desirable for the country that those who had nominally 60,0001. a year, and had pledged 45,0001., should remain in imaginary possession of the whole estate. The principle required by justice was that the succession which had been anticipated should not be placed in a better position than that which had been waited for until the legal and proper time of enjoyment. The house divided— For the amendment 93 Against it On the question that the bill do pus, Mr. MALINS proposed amendments leaving out clause 23, and exempting " titles to land " Rein the operation of clause 49. He considered the power taken unnecessary, and likely to prove oppressive and offensive even to the small freeholders. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be had already shown that the production of deeds was absolutely necessary. Sir C. BURRELL supported the amendment. The house divided— For the amendment llO Against it , A verbal amendment was made at the instance of Mr. CRAUFVED. On the question that " the bill do now pup," another division was insisted upon by the opposition, the numbers on which were— ' For the motion Afainstit lO4-72 The bill then pulled, amid considerable cheering from the ministerial side of the house. INDIA BILL. The house then went into committee on the India Bill. —.... Mr. G. W. FITZWILLIAM, in seconding the motion, Clauses 16 to 22 were agreed to_ - -- ---- thanked the honourable member for Manchester for the On clause 22, which refers to the appointment of legisla seamier in which he had brought it forward. He had tile councillors to be added to the Council of India for merely stated the ease as it had been put into his hands, making laws and regulations, and empowers the Court of and had not made anyeemmatsealeulated toexcitedisegree- Directors, if they should think it expedient, to add, under able discussion . The aDeptioa cut merlons imputations the control of the government, two persons, having been upon Lord Fitzwilliam, and he (Mr. Fitzwilliam) felt that ten years in the civil service, to the Legislative Council, he should be acting unfairly, both to his noble relative and Mr. HUME said that before that motion was put he had his constituents, did he not rise at once to second the an amendment to propose—namely, that of the councillors proposition. (Hear, hear.) to be appointed one of them be a Hindu and the other a Lord J. RUSSELL was quite ready to concur in the Mahomedan. Some person" thought that the natives had motion before the house, but there remained the question of not conducted themselves so well in other situations that time. (Hear, hear.) There was a very recent precedent, they should be appointed to the Legislative Council. He that of Durham, in which a select committee was granted, differed very much from those persons, because when he but not named for some time. The committee on the elec- was in India be was as well and faithfully served by natives tion petition for Durham was named on the 2nd June, as ever he was in England. He believed that if a Hindoo and on the 9th it made its report, and not un- and Mahomedsn were appointed it would tend to give cou ld the 14th was the other committee nominated. fiance to the natives of the country, and would prevent There was this difference in the present case, that it did not those mistakes with respect to their customs and usages I refer to the recent election, but on the other band he did which led to so much =nand. not see that it was any argument to say that the session Sir C. WOOD said that there wete two questions now for was drawing auks close. If the house made a general consideration : the proposition of the hon. member for rule that while an election petition was pending another Rochester, with regard to the number of the legialative petition affecting the same constituency,. and complaining council ; and that of his bon. friend the member for Mon et undue influence, should not be considered, he thought true, who, in addition to the twelve members proposed by that that general rule should not be infringed on account the bill, wished an addition of two natives. He agreed of the period of the session. With respect to the motion with the hon. member for Rochester, that the government itself he had no objection to offer. of India must be despotic, and that was the principle the After some discussion, The motion was put and agreed to. bill intended to carry out. As regarded the natives, he SUCCESSION DUTY BILL. hoped that by increased education and intercourse with Europeans, they would soon acquire their share in the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of Ibis bill. government of India. The evidence before the committee,and Mr. LIDDELL, who spoke amid a hum of voices which eepecially that of Mr. Halliday, went to show that the character of the native judges had greatly improved, and rendered it impossible to gather more than the general per. be bed not had the honour port of his remarks, the tenor of the whole of the evidence was, that the ap said that as I rintment of natives to o ffi ces was increasing all over of a seat in the house during the previous discussion on the ndia ; but that the time bad not come when they should bill, be could not permit it to pass this, its final stage, with- be admitted into the Legislative Council. So far as out ezprewing his strong objection to it. He complained liming the good opinion of the natives, he did no t thi n k conci that it was moot unjust towards the landed interest, upon that anything would be gained by p u tti ng t wo na ti ves i nto which the stamp duties on conveyances and other taxes the council. If the natives were not fitted for admi s si on already bore most severely; and that it would be unequal, into the civil service, as the hon. memb e r for R o chester and consequently unfair, in its operation. That part of the said, were they fit for admission into the Legislative Count' which effected trusts and trustees would occasion infi- m l ? The evidence before the committee went te e his, that by nits embarsamment and difficulty ; and then the inquieito. means of increased education the natives wer becoming rial nature of the sax was a grouud for gravo objection. more fit for employment in important offices in the service There would be the greatest difficulty in estimating the --- I of the company , and in this he (Sir C. Wood) concurred ; value of successions to mines, toll, arising from rights of way, and property of that description, but it decided that whatever els e th e y were fit for,they were I not fit for the Legislative Cout i cil. With regard to the winch varied in value according to circumstances. The hon. ((cabman then urged that srgununte in favour number of the council all the evidence agreed i n thi s ,—th at there should be a council of twelve, includi n g gen tl emen of the imposition of a succession duty became there was a from all the presidencies, which was an important and see • legacy duty ought not to be allowed any great weight, as they did not avail to enable Mr. Pitt to carry a mature for usury eddition. He did not think it would be wise to • tax on succession, increase the number of the Executive Council, b u t it wouldsuccession, after he had carried the legacy duty; and those duties were proposed at a time when the country be very advisable to have the information in the Legislative Councilw hid/ gentlemenf r om all th e p res id enc i es eou Id a ti ar d . was in • position to require every available means to raise A question had been raised whethe r it was a d v i sa bl e to the necessary supplies during a period of war, whereas this vise the law commission i n l a b s . He thought the best re was a time of peace and prosperity, and it shoeld be the coupe to proceed was as the Lill pr o p ose d. It o did not business of a Chancellor of the Exchequer rather to relieve the country from odious taxation than to impose it. Alto- think it advi s able either to decrease or add to the numbers gi•Cler the tax was so unjust that he could not resi s t the of the legislative council. opportunity of lately stating his objections to it, and saying Lord STANLEY was as desirous as any one to see native nu to the passing of the bill. talent admitted to the highest Oka in India, but he saw The bill was then read a third time. great difficulty in doing it in the way proposed by Mr. Mr. SPOONER rose to move a proviso to the second Hume. clause, aid to call the attention of the Chancellor of the I Lord JOCELYN thought it desirable that the highest Exchequer to a great hardship. If a person—a stranger in offices should be open to the satires, but could not concur in the piopriety of pie* those appointments t o t h e Go. Term- 6 eneral. The committee divided— For the amendment 39 Against it The amei dment was therefore lost. Clause 22 was then agreed to. On clause 23, Mr. BRIGHT objected to proceeding further. Sir C. WOOD said he only wished to proceed with the clauses that were unopposed. Mr. BRIGHT said if they were unopposed now t h ey would be unopposed afterwards. Mr. HUME moved that the Chairman report proven. He had been in the house since 12 o'clock. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Thursday. COLONIAL BISHOPS BILL. This bill was read a second time. LAND-TAX REDEMPTION BILL. This bill was read a second time. THAMES EMBANKMENT BILL. On the order of the day for going into committee on this bill, Sir W. MOLESWORTH said he promised the hon. member ler He nitan to make a statement with regard to this bill. In 1813, the Royal Commissioners for Metropo litan Improvements, in their second and fifth reports recommended that a new park should be formed in Battersea fields, end that, in connection with it a bridge should be built across the Thames at Chelsea, and that a new street communicating with Lower S:oane-street ehould be made on the embank ment from Vauxhall-bridge to Battersea-bridge, and along that embankment a road was to be made about two miles long. Inconsequence of this report, in 1816 two acts were passed, one to make a park in Battersea-fields and the other to empow r r the Commissioners of Works 4 make a bridge at Chelsea. and to make an embankment from Vauxhall to Battersea. For the making of the bridge and the new street, the commissioners were empowered to borrow 120,000/. from the Exchequer Loan Commissioners, which was to be raid partly by Mena of a general rate and partly by contributions from persons whose property would thus be improved. Those contribu tions were not to be commenced till agreements, approved of by the Treasury, had been entered into by the parties whose property was to be improved. The time for making those agreements would expire on the lot of August next, and one object of the bill was to extend the time till July next year. The bridge at Chelsea was in process of construction, but the embankment bed not been commenced, except a portion of it, which had been commenc•d by an agreement with Mr. Cubitt. The esti mate for the bridge was 70,0001., and for the embankment and new street 146.0001., making 216,000/. altogether. It was expected that 62,0001. would be received partly from persons whose property would be improved, and partly from the resale of property along the embankment and the new street. The neat expenditure therefore would be 154,000/.,in return for which it was expected there would be a net Income from tolls on the bridge and from the piers amounting to about 6,600/. a year, making a return of about four per cent. on the outlay. The park of Bermes would be comparatively of little use to the inhabitants on the north bank of the Thames, unless there was a bridge at Chelsea ; and the bridge would be of little use to it unless approaches were made to it from the east and west, from Vauxhall-bridge and Battersea ; and the embankment and roadway would be of the greatest benefit to the public. Mr.LOCKE said the observations he made the other night were not to oppose this bill, but were of a more extensive character, and intended to apply generally to schemes which were brought forward without an estimate of the expeese. The estimate in this case was 266,0001., but he wished to know if the funds were forthcoming, oe if the parties having property were to Lave this bill hanging over their heads four years longer, alter being threateued with another bill seven years. Sir BE L. EVANS thought the observations of the hen. gentleman were entitled to consideration. So far as this bill went, it was unobjectionable, except as to the tolls which he should propose to strike out. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY observed that without tolls they would not he able to get any revenue. Sir J. V. SIIELLEY believed the inhabitants of the metropolis generally would submit to an improvement rate if the representative system were introduced, so as to have a control over the expenditure. The house then went into committee on the bill, and it passed through committee without amendment. Mr. HENLEY objected to the levying of a toll on the bridge, which be said would be depriving the poor of thp benefit of the park. (Cheers.) HIGHWAY RATES BILL. This bill was read a second time and ordered to be com mitted en Thursday. TURNPIKE TRUSTS ARRANGEMENT BILL. This bill was read a second time and ordered to be com- Witted on Thursday. TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL. The bill was read a second time and ordered to be com mitted on Thursday. METROPOLITAN SEWERS ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL. On the order of the day fur the second reading of this bill. Sir J. V. SHELLEY said he understood it was only to continue the committee for another year, otherwise he should have objected to the bill Lord PALMERSTON said next year he intended to bring in a bill for the permanent continuance of the com mission, with en infusion of the representative principle. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. FREWEN, The bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com mitted. SHEEP, dec., CONTAGIOUS DISEASES PRE VENTION BILL. This bill yes read a second time, and ordered to be committed. ASSISTANT JUDGE (MIDDLESEX SESSIONS) BILL. • On the motion for the third reading of this bill, Mr. ALCOCK moved as an amendment that the bill be read a, third time that day six months, as the people of Surrey thought the judge was already paid most hand somely, considering the honourable position which the office gave him. (Hear, hear.) Sir DE L. EVANS was never more surprised in hie life than when he heard of the introduction of this bill ; fir it r would be in the recollection of the house that it was only a , abort time ago that:he brought the conduct of this judge under the notice of parliament with reference to the case of Mary Hill, and then not all the adroit nese, and all the talent, and all ;the plea , Beatty of the noble lord at the head of the Home Department could get rid of the bad impression which the conduct of the learned gentleman created in the minds of bon. members. (Hear, hear.) And yet within three months after that occurrence the house was asked to increase the learned gentleman's salary, thus as it were , passing a vote of confidence in the judge and stultifying its own previous decision. (Hear.) The eccentricities and • peculiarities which characterised the administration of justice in the learned judge's court were too well known to need recapitulation ; but nevertheless there were one or two instances of scenes in the court which he must be per mitted briefly to refer to. He held in his band• report of , the proceedings in the Middlesex Court, wherein it was stated that a person was brought before this gentleman to be re-examined, and he told the accused that he was con vinced he was a thief, although there was no evidence adduced against him, nor kad any trial taken place. (Hear, hear.) Immediately another pnsoner was brought before him, a woman who was not blessed with handsome features, and the learned judge becoming jocular upon the villanous character of her countenance, a juryman was induced to ask whether the woman was to be tried according to her phy siognomy or according to the evidence. (A laugh.) Scenes of this unseemly nature were constantly taking place in the court over which this gentleman presided, and they did not always partake of the ludicroue—since in two cases where an acquittal had taken place the judge went the length of pronouncing the parties to be guilty , in spite of the verdict of the jury to the contrary. (Hear, hear.) Now he would ask the house to add these eases to the medium instance of the poor woman who had three years' transportation clapped on to her sentence for simply using an offensive expres sion,and then tosay whether they could with common decency pass this bill / There was, however, another ease to which he must call attention in the hope that the noble lord at the head of the home department would be enabled to give some satisfactory account of it to the house. It might be entirely unfounded, for aught that he knew to the contrary, but at the same time it was to be found in the published reports of the trials of this gentleman's court, and lie should treat it as a fact unless it was contradicted by the noble lord. It occurred on the 22nd of June, 1832, and was the case of a man named James, who was charged with having stolen a purse containing 11. Is. 6d. For this, en beingfound guilty, he was sentenced to ten years' transpor tation. Lord PALMERSTON was sorry to interrupt the hon. member, but he found that an understanding had been come to with an hon. baronet opposite, that this bill should not be discuesed until Thursday. It would perhaps be con venient, therefore, if the debate was adjourned until then. (Cries of' " No, no," and " Oo on.") Sir D. L. EVANS said he could not consent to this delay without conclueing the only other statement of importance that he had to make with reference to this bill. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, this man was said to have been sentenced to ten years' transportation. Certainly a very severe punishment, considering the insignificant nature of the offence, and upon Inuring the sentence the man, who was of a rather violent temper, somewhat alter the manner of Mary Hill, let fly a penny ink-bottle at the judge—(a laugh) —who thereupon, without any trial whatever, or h w i i m t n ;s o u t five going vey .. b ars t . ru ug additionalh any ti l a e :Bp i proceedings, rt.tion. u e r, sentenced hear.) He would say no more at present upon this to him painful topic, but before this bill passed, he begged the noble lord to inform the house whether what he had stated was a fact oe net. (Hear, hear.) weared— F Lir the third reading . div S i t d r e a d, ng w ers he w n e t i h e er t e Le a n ordered to withdraw, sad the house Against it The bill was cone, quently thrown out. BURIAL OROUNDS• Lord PALMERSTON moved fo re: to authorise the clueing of burial gre. • it vl: i LLATT, u reply to a question from Mr. A.. Lad PALMERSTON said the oho Oct of the sca t visions contained in th e me t o f l ast year vii ow br ing ns tn a bill , - i leaving t to the Secretary of St a te to c l ose c h urc h yar d s, the parishes to make pro v i s i on f or b ur i a l . hi in an d Leav e was then given, and the bill was broug :e.tirvoiopgolirs power erprrt o simply to Extend to d is trict s b e y on d th e ca simply read a first Lime. COLONIAL CHURCH REGULATION BILL. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved the second reading of this bill, the object of which was to enable the authorities of the colonies to make better rules and regula tions for the government of the church. The bill was then read a second time. COPYHOLDS BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR briefly explained sense amendments which he had made in the bill. which then peeped through committee, and was reported to the house. PIMLICO IMPROVEMENTS BILL. TAXING OFFICER COMMON LAW BUSINESS (IRELAND) BILL. --- These bills were read a third time and passed. The ether orders ware then disposed of, and the house adjourned at a quarter past nine o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, Arty 18. Tin 8 took the chair at four o'clock. NEW MEMBERS. Mr. D. O'Cougutt. was sworn in aa the new member for the Borough of Trait*, and Mr. C. 013aiais as the new member for the County of Clare. The &lath Wales Railway (Deviation) Bill was read a third time. COMMITTEE ON STANDING ORDERS. Oa the motion of Mr. W. PATTEN, the following members were appointed a Committee for the Revision of Standing Orders :—Mr. Wilson Patten, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. Henley, Mr. Roarer* Mr. Greene, Mr. Evelyn Denison, Mr. &nu, Sir John Yards Buller. Sir Robert Ferguson, Mr. Aglionby, Captiln Jones, Mr. Brotherton, and Colonel Mere. On the motion of Mr. OLIVIIILA. the South Sea Com pany's Arrangements sad Trusta Bill was read a mooed time. Oa the motion of Mr. O'FLattlinr, the order of the day for the third reading of the Oslway Harbour Bill was read and discharged, and the bill was referred to the former com mittee. -. PUBLIC BUSINESS. THE STATE OF THE CAMP AT CHOBHAM. Sir Tit heisarlistrTniaToSTit to the Secretary at War a question on this subject; but as the honourable gentleman was not present ha would address his question to the noble lord the leader of that house. It had reference especially to the state of the ground at Chobbam, from which, it appeared, the health of the canon soldiers, if not of the officers, was at that sement is post jeopardy. The noble lord had, no dent% sun is the of that day a notice of the state of the =is m y. The followieg extract was from the pipe — " The inconvenience suffered by the troops haa leadble, and so alarming did the state of matters appear Isar eavalry quarters on Saturday, that for seem hew it tenshasseless contemplation to send out all tho =ltithe sejobing Wyss sad Tillages on billets. The e hoes inundated with water, and in several caws theologies have bees, standing up to their hocks in slush and water. The eintracton are unable to convey the forage to the reollsosie, and it is squally impossible to remove the manure selielt lies in large heaps close to the stables. The fairegrable change in the weather yesterday has prevented the proposed removal of the cavalry up to the present time; but if the rain should recommence, it will be absolutely necessary to act on the proposed suggestion. The Guardsmen have suffered greatly, and • number of them have been conveyed to the hospital. Yesterday, two poor fellows belonging to the Soots Fusiliers were removed us a helpless state, one of them having lost the use of his aide. In consequence of the dreadful state of the parades, the cavalry did net yesterday attend Divine service. The infantry brigades mustered es usual, but the poor fellows appeared greatly relieved when the service was over. The whole afternoon was occupied by the men in cleaning their accoutrements, and in endeavouring to get rid of the storm ous quantity of dirt and fish which had accumulated upon their clothes during the two preceding days." The gees goo which he had to ask the noble lord was, whether he did not think it was the duty of the government to see that some ground was selected, where the health of the troops would not be endangered, as no one could consider it necessary that the troops should go through a course of rheumatism (laughter) ; whether he did aot think that the billeting of the troops on the neighbourhood would be an act of great injustice, and whether he did not think that in the present state of things it was the bounden duty of the government to re move the soldiers from what might now be called • swamp ? Lord J. RUSSELL said it was impossible for him to an swer the question without having had notice of it; but he had co doubt that the Secretary-at-War and the Commander-in-Chief would attend to the health of the troops, and to the present state of the ground. CHATHAM DOCKYARD. Sir H. DAVIE said in a morning paper of Saturday last, which had a considerable circulation, appeared • paragraph which, with the permission of the house, be would now read. The paragraph was beaded, "Dockyard appointments—Chatbam and Admiralty Hypocrisy." These words were in large letters. It went on thus:— " The following facts will speak for themselves. A vacancy bas recently occurred in the mast house in the dockyard, by reason of the superannuation of one Robinson. Two names were, in due course, sent up to the Admiralty—those of Pattison and Saints. Pattiton had been preparing himself for the situation for four years, and is a good draftsman and accountant. Baines had been in the mast-house • few weeks. Without any examination, Baines hes been ap. pointed, and Pattison rejected. Baines and his family vote fur Sir James Stirling, and Pattison for Sir Frederick Smith. 8o much for the disinterested impartiality of a ' Whig-Conservative' Admiralty." He wished to ask the right hon. baronet, the First Lord t f the Admiralty, whether the facts here stated were correct ; and, secondly, if the frets were correct, on what grounds the oue party had been selected and the other rejected ? Sir J. GRAHAM said his hon. friend having been obliging enough to give him notice of the questiou, he was prepared to answer it, and in doing so be skpuld confine himeelf strictly to the facts of the case. It was true that on • recent vacancy occurring at the mast-house at Chat ham, two persons were recomms ruled by the captain -toper- I intendent, the one a person named Baines., and the other • person named Benison, and that Baines was se lected. He would now state to the house the circumstances under which Bairns was select*d. lie held in his hand the original letter of the eaptain.•nperintendent, which, under the recent regulations of the Board of Admiralty, was sent to the Surveyor of the Navy. The number of ream- so te,