The Express. — London, England, 1848-05-27 00:00:00

•1 MTH is 1A L I' ItLIAMEN HOUSE OF I,OIWB.—FRIDAY, MAT 28. The Lotto CHANCILLOS took his seat at 5 o'clock. PUBLIC BUBIBBBS. TlRin READlNCL—Prevention o f Seduction Bill. IREVORI.—Stnoke Prohibition BBL PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS ADJOURN /SENT BILL. The report on this hill was postponed until Tuesday next. PREVENTION OF SEDUCTION. The Bishop of OXFORD laid on the table a hill for the prevention ut seduction. which was read a first time—to be read a second time on Monday week.half pas five till Tues Their lordships then adjmined at day next. HOUSE OF COMMONS. —FRIDAY, MAY 26. The 8 took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SECOND BRADING.—New Rose Port and Harbour Bill. REPORTs COSSI OEREDtoI aud Exeter Railway (Glanton bury navigation ..rid canal purchase) ; Kendol and Windermere Rail way Ac• .ticiendinent ; Ltilia. TIIIItt) RE WINOS. —Cheater and Holyhead Railway (power to Btl; t allire, W te..); Fumes; I lgs tailw a s n yd;NLoode. stsllotu . Nov.) ; 8 :42 chatter, Shetit sag Liacottioltire Railway (junction with the Mid. Is Railway via liaranlcy :Ind brunches therefrom) ; Mimehatter, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway (station approach in lanehenter) ; Marditester, sheftield, and Listeolmnire Railway (ration at Sheffield and branch to the Sheffield Dotal) ; Manchester; Sheffield. and Lin oolnahiro Railway ierosaing of Sheilleldrireet, in Manchester, dre.l ; Winchester South Junction and Alt:inch= Railine re way irc of eopitol) ; Woe. eager, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. 1) t Vale of Sech R ns . Railway a, r to the Soich Wales Railway Company to su'veribe, and amendment of *oil ; Silt& 1.0111)8' AMENDMENTS CONSIDEREDulhampton Osa tight and Coke Compare, • Worcester New Oas Lien Company Datilitional capital arid aineadZient) ; Lillie. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS. —By Mr. COCKtill RN, from the Mayor of Southamp ton. agreed to at a public meeting , and in Stemma short parliaments, eaten-vim of the manure, payment of members, and electoral dia. tricto—Capt. PECIIELL, from Brightoo, for the repeal of the rate paying clauses of the &Lorna 8111-04. THOMPSON, from* the Me tropolitan di-trier. for universal suffrage.—Mr. HUME, from the washes of St. Gam and St. George, and from Suntkuland . worth, and and other plows, in lamer of the reform propord by the hon. tht 0.1310311',30Ni tool t• VrtsYing thAt plover of the commissioner* tower the Irealtit Towne liill might be limited beyond what woo proposed by the bilk—Sir 11. DAVIE, from fro m ant for the repeal of the Scotch law of entail. —Mr. MUNTZ, from an individual of Birmingham, in favour of a return to th e etsodard of volue of 1 97.--CoL MUIR, from Benfreershim agains t Ole:insert Banking Adt of e 5 ,gams . J. STEWART, and a u ger hon. rabern, from valour places, against the war intoxic Mg liquors on Sundays. DUNDAS, ro ue aces, Mr. F. MAPLE, anti Mr. LOCH, from various places, in favoUr of the Bites for Churches (Scotland) Bin. THIRD EXADL4o.—tkalNDeet ers JUßl ES. of Car (Ireland) Bill. GRA Mr. FORSTER asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether his attention had been drawn to a presentment by the grand jury to the judges presiding at the Central Criminal Court on the 18th instant, for the abolition of grand juries within the limits of the Cipendiary mngistratee of the metropolis ; and whether government in tended to take any steps to remove the evils complained of in the said presentment Sir 0. GREY, in answer, said that his attention had not been drawn specially to the presentment, Tor had it been transmitted to him. Re was not prepares' to say that government at present contemplated any measure on the subject of grand juries within the limits of the metro polis, but as he believed the system to be capable of amend ment he did not wish to preclude himself from introducing measures fur that purpose at some future period, if neces- sexy. Mr. FORSTER asked whether there would be any ob jection to lay the presentment he had alluded to on the table ? Sir G. GREY, when it was forwarded to him, would produce it. POSSESSION OF ARMS IN IRELAND. Capt. HARRIS, pursuant to notice, inquired whether it was the intention of her Majesty's government to avail themselves of the I.irge military force now in Ireland, and by introducing a measure for the search and seizure of pikes, and disarming et the rebels in time to prevent bloodshed and civil war, to provide for the security of that part of the United Kingdom? Sir G. GREY reminded the hon. and gallant member that at an early period of the session an act had poised for the better prevention of crime and outrage in Ireland, under which any district might be proclaimed at the discretion of the Lord Lieutenant, after which all arms not delivered up might be seized. At present it was not intended by govern = nt to propoo , any other measure on the subject. Capt. HARRIS then asked if the right hon. baronet con sidered that act available for the purposes to which his question referred ? Sir G. GREY said it would not be convenient, in answer to a question, to go into a discussion of the act to show how far it was applicable to all existing circumstances. He apprehended it would be found to be so applicable, and that it was in the discretion of the Lord L ieutenant to apply it to any district. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Ordered, on motion to that effect, that the house at its rising do adjourn till Monday next. THE SPANISH CORRESPONDENCE. MR. BANKES' MOTION. BANKES in p os tponing his motion in accordance with the understandieg come to on the previous day, said ha bad hoped the two noble lords, the Seoretary for Foreign Affairs and the First Lord of the Treasury. would have been in their places, the one to produce the papers which he had promised to lay on the table, and to give some account of their contents; and the other, to state the result of the deli berations of the government as to fixing a day for consi dering the transactions to which thew papers related. As it was he had no course open to him but to postpone his motion to that day ee'nnigh., which be understood was to be the next supply day, unless the noble lord (J . Russell) would undertake to give him another day not later than Monday ee'netight. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the bon. gentleman was miAaken as to what fell from his noble friend no the previous evening. What his noble friend said was, that he would move for a committee of supply, in order to give the loon. gentleman en opportunity of bringing on hie motion on some early day after the discussion of the resolutions on the Navigation Laws, and the second reading of the bill to be founded on those resolution.. Mr. BANKES—Was there any probability of the oppor tunity being given earlier than that day week ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that would entirely depend on the length of time occupied in the debate on the navigation laws. Mr. HERItIES (about an hour subsequently) inquired whether the promised papers on the subject would be in the hands of hon. members to-morrow (this day), and whether they would contain all the information and explanation that the government thought it necessary to make in considera tion of the course they had pursued in this extraordinary affair. Ile should have thought they were burning with impatience to relieve themselves from the suspicion which hung upon it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted that the hon. gentleman did not put his question, when the noble lord, who had only a few minutes ego left the house, was in ,his place. lie understood that his noble friend in tended to lay the papers en the table that evening, with a view to their being in the hands of members to-morrow (this day), and that they were sufficient to enable the house to form a correct opinion of what had taken place. In reply to tho right hon. gentleman's last remark, he should recollect that the motion of the hon. member (Mr. Benkes) was not postponed at the request of government, who we, e perfectly ready to meet it. Mr. DISRAELI was surprised at that remark, as his hon. friend was only prevented from going on with the motion for want of an important paper which appeared in the Spanish journa's. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER found no fault with the hon. gentleman for not going on with the mo Lion. He only answered the insinuation that the government Were not as anxious on the eubject se they ought to be. SUPPLY. — WINDSOR CASTLE AND TOWN IM PROVEMENTS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having moved that the order of the day for the committee of supply be read, Mr. HUME wished to know, before the house was called upon to vote any more money, how the 3,000,0001., deft ciency in the revenue of the last year was to be made up. lie would suggest to the government that without waiting for the conclusion of toe Inquiries now going on as to the several public departments, they ought themselves to make such reductions in those departments as it had been already shown might be made without detriment to their efficiency. It appeared by a bill which had been put into hie hand that day that 00,000/. which was to be paid by a cer tain railway company was to be expended in certain alterations in and about Windsor Castle and town — in stopping up certain pathi and opening others — in taking down old and building new bridges, and other works which he bad no doubt would cost in all upwards of 100,0001. Surely it was verging closely on reckless extra vagance at a time like this, thus to be lighting the emdle at both ends. (Hear, hear.) 150,0001. for Buckingham Pa lace, a million and a half for Windsor Gestic aready given ; and now a new expense to be incurred, the end of which no one could foresee ! The crown revenues, of which the woods and forests had the management, were now public property —the crown had received an equivalent for them; it was no answer, therefore, to say that in this case the charges would be defrayed out of those revenues. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his hon. friend had expended much virtuous indh.nation on a bill that was not yet before the house, and which did not involve the expenditure of one sixpence of the public money. The facts were, that a railway company, on condition that certain parrs of the park at Windsor should be given up to them for their purposes, were to pay a certain sum, which sum it was proposed to spend in making some necessary improvements in other parts of Windsor. But it would be time enough to discuss that measure when it came before them: all he wished to show wee, that it was not public money that was to be expended. Mr. HUME—I contend that it L. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would still say that it was not. As to bow he proposed to raise the ways and means for carrying on the public service, and what government would do when certain committees now sitting made their report, it would be time enough to explain when those questions were b e fore the house. What he proposed to do to-night was simply to ask for certain votes which were aocesoary to enable ministers to carry on the public service. Mr. BRIGHT thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not correctly stated the effect of the bill referred to by the hon. member for Montroee. He conceived that it would empower the sale of certain public property and the appropriation of the proceeds, which were of course public money. Lord MORPETH could only repeat what had been dated by his right hon. friend, that it Vu not Intended ander the 1 - 1114 THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY Windsor Issprovesseat Bin to say messy that would otherwiee come into the a that house. The Tell way 'stoney was in lien o a certain amount of aoootrantods tion, by throwing open grounds In the exclusive posesesion of her Majesty, end without whose ooneent they eon no mere be interfered with than the private garden of the hon. member. Mr. AGLIONBY said he held in his hand an entirely different statement, on the authority of the government — namely, that the 60 , 0001 . t o be had from a railway company was public money, and ought to be treated as gush. Lord IdORPETH had nothinng mo re ni re to add , es 'tha s, t before the house w a s called upohe quail/i the fullest infortamion should be afforded, and every sadder tory proof given that it was not intended by the bill te pose any bosh burdens on the public. DUBLIN ELECTION COMMITTEE. The names of the committee (fur which see &puss of yesterday) appointed to try the merits of the petition against the return at the late election having been called over, and Lord R. Grosvenor not having arrived. at 6 o'clock, Mr. F. MAULE itenitlst some hilarity) said it was his painful duty to move that he be committed to the custody of the Scrsteent.at-arms. Sir R. INGLIS urged the importance of a regular per sonal service in these roses; and, afters few words from Mr. EWAUT and Mr. T. EUNKTON, The motion was agreed to, but soon after the Sergeant-at arm Marius announced that the noble lord wee in custody, Mr. W. COWPER !said he was authorised by his noble friend to mate that ha vin g been engaged presiding at a I p u blic meeting, he inadvertently remained too long—(a laugh)—and regretted his absence extremely. lie, there-1 fore, moved that the noble lord s h o uld be forthwith illi cit's:teed. (neer. hear.) Mr. F. MAULE, in seconding the motion, inggestoll, that considering the n oble lord's many benevolent menu—(hear, hear)—it should be w i thout payment:PlT The motion was immediately agreed to, and the committee being called again were sworn, excepting Mr. Bright, who took the attiren e t t on, after a short apology from Lord R. Grosvenor for having delayed the house. COMMITTEE ON ESTIMATES. Lord DUNCAN, as chairman of one of the committees on the civil estimates, said (in reply to Mr. Hume) that the committee were proceeding as speedily as possible, but he could eel Lily when their labours would termtnate, and, I therefore, could not promise a repeat at any particular period. MARINE INSURANCE.—PROBATE AND LEGACY I DUTIES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said (I'o reply to Mr. Wawn) that the government had no intention of proposing any reduction of the Marine Insurance Duty and (in reply to Sir D. L. Evans) that he did not consider there was such an inequality between the probate and legacy duties as the honourable and gallant member alleged. INDIRECT TAXATION. On the motion that the Speaker leave the chair for goimg into a committee of supply. Mr. EWAILT rose to call the attention of the house to the motion of which he had given notice : That the present eyn tern of disproportionate indirect taxation is iejurtous to the commerce and manufactures and unjust to the working climes of the country and that the esuiblishinent of • more direct system of taxation an on realised property w ould re trade and manufactures, and be eventually beneficial to all glasses of the community. The hon. gentleman made a few remarks in support of these propositions, but concluded without making any motion, trusting that the government would not exclude the subject from their constderation, with • I view to some practical step in the way of substituting direct for indirect taxation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that large reductioea had recently been made in the indirect taxation of the country, while the taxation substituted was direct. It could not be said, therefore, that the government had not already prac:ically considered the question. They had every wish to go further, but in the present state of the revenue he could not hold out any hope of their doing so. THE RAJAH OF SA'PTARA. Mr. G. THOMPSON, referring to the order of the day for the adjourned debate on this subject, asked if the govern ment could sive him an early day for it, if ho consented to forego it for that evening? A recent death had so changed the aspect of affairs as to render it necessary to hear the opinions of the government without much delay. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not make any promise on the subject. Mr. G. THOMPSON gave notice that in that case, when they arrived at the order (which was last on the list) he would put a question to the government, as to what course they meant to pursue for tilling the vacant throne of the ex- Rajah. C kLEDONIAN RAILWAY BILL. Mr. lie ARD (in reply to Mr. Hume) explained the grounds on which the Admiralty bad consented to allow the Cale donian Railway to cross the Clyde. The authorities at Glasgow thinking it desirable to have a station at Glasgow, and the bridge trustees haying withdrawn their opposition, th Admiralty reconsidered the question, and eig that no e injury would scums to the h a rbour consented to the measure. The Earl of LINCOLN wee satisfied that the Admiralty had done its duty in ti e matter, and that no blame could attach to that department. Ile, however, hoped that care i would be taken that the parties who had relied upon the Admiralty should not be damnified by that which was some thing like a fraud practised upon the board. Mr. B. COCHRANE complained that this matter should have been brought forward without any notice to the parties interes'ed, in whose absence the noble lord (the Earl of Lin• coln) ought not to impute fraud to them. After a few words from Mr. Ward. Mr. Macgregor, Mr. Hsotie (Ola goer), Mr. Aglionby, and Mr. Hume, the con versation dropped. SUPPLY. Mr. HUME inquired whether the right hon. baronet the Chancellor of the Exchequer was prepared, before going into a committee of supply, to state to the house in what way he proposed to provide for the deficiency of 3,000,0001. ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he did not at present propose to make any statement on that subject. The house then went into committee, Mr. 13sitsisr. in the chair. Mr. WARD said he most now ask the committee to give him a further vote on account, under three different heads, of the estimates for the service of the navy during the pre sent year. He did not propose to take the whole estimate in any of them, but only a portion of each, and to leave the re maining balance for subsequent discussion. The first vote he moved was, that a further sum of 300,0001. be granted to her Majesty to defray the charge of the wages of seamen and marines, the number being already agreed to. Mr. HUME wished to know whether, after the evidence which had been taken before the select committee on public expenditure, the government had adopted any measures to reduce the expenditure in the department of the navy, which was now nearly double the amount it had been in former years. Mr. WARD replied that, without anticipating what the report of the committee might be, the government had taken every opportunity of effecting every practical economy in the department of the public service with which he was con nected. Hired men in the dockvirds, whose term; of service had expired, had been parted with ; and, from the introduc tion of steam sawing-machinery, and by other modes, the naval estimates for the ensuing year would be reduced by no less a sum than 600,0001. Captain HARRIS said he had • suggestion to make, which be admitted was not one of economy, but still of great public importance. It was, that firexclaas line of battle ships should be fitted and sent out to foreicn stations, instead of the clam of men of war new employed in this branch of the service. Admiral DtINDAS said, the great rbject of the Admi ralty wu to wear out their old ships; but they were now rending out vessels which would be quite ready to meet any opposing force. Capt. PECHELL expressed a hope that, if he abstained now from bringing forward the claims of the commanders, lieutenants, and two other classes in the naval service, he should not he met on a future occasion by the assertion that ho had omitted to avail himself of the fitting opportunity. He only now abstained in order that he might not interpose any obstacte in the course of her Majesty's government. Mr. S. HERBERT understood that the three heads of estimates under which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Ward) pro posed to take votes on account, were first for the wages of seamen and marines, next for stores, and, lastly, for half pay. Was that so ? Mr. WARD replied in the affirmative. Mr. HUME drew the attention of the committee to the cue of the asaistint-surgeons of the navy. These gentlemen were required to have s higher qualification in three or four branches of medical science than' either the College of Sur geons in London or in Edinburgh could require, and yet these gentlemen who must have attained the age of 2.5 years were placed on board ship among a parcel of youths, who were midshipmen or matea. Such being the fact, the com mittee would not be surpr ised to hear that a week ago Si William Burnett, the physician-general, had not a 'Oriole candidate for the appointment of evident-surgeon in the navy, Capt. BERKELEY said that the Admiralty did its ut most to secure the hest medical advice for the men in the service, and he had never before heard of there being the slightest difficulty in finding candidates for the office of AM instant surgeon. It would be impossible to provide for them, however, in the ward-ronm without interfering with the working the guns and with the discipline of the ship. Mr. ELLIOT reminded the hon. member for Mont rose that the midshipmen and tea cs were not of the lowest class, but generally the sons of high and noble families; and therefore it surely could be no disgrac to any assistant our• geon to mix in such company. Mr. HUME could not forget that they were boys, and that the assistantnurgeons were men whose studies were in terfered with. Mr. COBDEN said he wished to take this opportunity of referring to a subject which, though in some degree personal to himself, he should not revert to but that he felt it affected the efficiency of the service and the economy of the public expenditure. On a former occasion reference had been made to a statement he (Mr. Cobden) had uttered in Man chester on the subject of a line of-battle ship lying in the harbour of Malta. When he made that statement he was speaking in the midst of personal friends, whom he told that ho had sun a ship lying at Malta from November to March ; that he had thin gone to Egypt, and on his return had found the same ship lying there ttilL An attempt had then been made to make it appear that, instead of speaking of a matter which bad occurred ten or eleven years ago, he bad referred to the stlte of things last year ; but he must remind the committee that he made the state ment to persons who knew that he had net been to Egypt lest year, and could therefore have at once known the state ment was false. Though a sort of quarter-deck contradic• tion had been given in that house to his statement at Man chester, the fact that ships lay for a long time in the harbour of Malta remained unanswered. Since then a perfect stranger had furnished him with information that the loge of ships wire kept at Somerset Souse, and that by moving for them he could obtain • return of the logs of the ships , t: question. He: had piqued .for .. and otrCd. return id . deisfiE... f Ir. „ L lt, l i ir d =lro i lin , l '. 11;• .- Of 1/ ' he sefolt il t • Pri Ch ' id.peraegueol it4 ItaltreFl a Sth is( 0 *l's . t.414110th et 1838 c a 'eel OuOthat Oa tdiur r h Mse Queen, 10 gnu, lay re from the 7th of Ottolter, 1042, the 16th of September, 1843, • period of eleven months an, eight days, without ever raising her anchor. He was as. =red by • friend who had as ward • midshipman on board that ship, that the expense and demoralipation arising from the lengthened stay in harbour was absolutely ruinous, and that when the ship went out• • vast number of the crew were so tea-rick as to be unable to perform the ship's service. (Laughter.) It would be remembered that the hon. and gallant admiral below him (Admiral Dundee) had on • former occasion read an extract of a letter from Sir William Parker, the present commander of the Mediterranean equadron, expressing hi. astonishment at the stAte ment ho (Mr. Celitlen) had made, and et'.:lng an impression that he had stated :natters which could not be borne out by facts. Now, these returns further showed that the Mibertria was lying in Malta harbour from Aug. 26, 1846, to March 28, 1840, being seven months and two days, without ever raising an anchor. Ile brought thee, facts forward on public grounds. What he had stated at Manchester wee, that he had seen a ship I) ing at Malta with 800 or 000 men on board for six months, preducing thereby great demoralisation, and a vast expense in every way. As to demoralisation, they all knew what • region in that respect Malta was mid when they were told that a line-of - b a ttle ship had on board from 30 to 40 junior officers, ouch sa midshipmen and mates, who were the sons of high and noble families, he put it to the committee whether anything could be worse than for such • party to remain 10 or 11 mouths together in such a harbour as that of Malta. Under all :hese circumstances he thought it would be satisfactory if the hon. and gallant admiral (Dundee) should state to the house whether be thought such a practice VIM consistent with the efficiency of the service, or the proper economy of the public expenditure. Admiral DUNDAS stated that .inre the preseet board had been in office, ships had not been allowed to remain in her. Lour, and it was contrary to the rules of the service that they should be so. It would have been well it the hon. member had Riven the committee the isformation of what the Queen Charlotte had done after remaining the winter in harbour, foe then the committee would have learned that she went to Acre, and led in all the operations there, and had never been one month at Malta since. Un a former occasion he (Admiral Dundee) had read the communication received from the American Consul, and did not retract a word from his former obeervations, in reference to the statement that the hon. member had ma a ship lying at Malta with 1,000 men 0o board . Mr. COBDEN said his informant might have misled him as to the precise number of men, but this he could state that the Queen Charlotte, of 110 guns, had on board 1,119 per sons, of whom 225 were supernumereries, leaving about 900 as the complement of men on board. But the question was whether the broad facts he had stated were or were not de serving the attention of the committee and the government, and he hoped he might be allowed to say in an gold humour that the hon. and gallant admiral had more than once con tradicted him in a manner of which any independent mem ber would have a right to complain, lie had been contra dicted when he stated that there was no ship of war at Can ton at the time of the recent murder of the English subjects in China. Since that contradiction he had received a letter from China reiterating the fact. That latter he ' had shown to the bon. and gallant admire 1, who merely re marked—" Well all I can say 1., it they were not th e r e t he y ought to have been there. ( Laughter.) However well this manner might do on a quarter-deck, it was not the mode in which business ought to be transacted on the their of that house; and he trusted the hon. and gallant admiral would for the future be accurate as to his own information before he contradicted any hon t . member. (Hear.) Admiral DUNDAS meat that since the statement with respect to there being no ships at Cantos at the time men tioned, he had inquired at the Admiralty, and found there were orders that no ship of war bad any nest there. Capt. BERKELEY thought the hon. member for the West Riding ought to have obtained, in addition to theta he had read, returns of the services which the ships named had performed while on the Mediterranean station. e If so he w o uld have found that it was nsnessary as th admiral was employed in a somewhat dielomatio capacity—it was necessary his ship should remain at Malta. It would have been found also that by the mediation of British naval com manders (C a pt. Codrington, for instance) peace had been maintained between belligerent parties in many of the ports where disputes had arisen. Mr. kiliblE rejoiced that the hon. memLer near him Mr. Cobden) had thus triumphed over the attempt to run him down by the impression created that there had been no truth in his statement. Ile had, however, shown that it was accurate, not merely in respect to one but to three ships of war which had beau on the Malts station. Mr. B. COCHRANE said he hail read the speech made by the hon. member opposite (Mr. Cobden) on the occasion which had given rise to the subsequent inquiry and discus sions. In that speech he had impugned the character of the British navy, deseribinE the officers as skulkirg from duty. He had spoken of the Duke of Wellington as a drivelling old man, and had spokenof both services in a manner which was disgraceful not only to a member of that house hut to o any Englishman. (Cries of " Oh, oh.") The honoura'i member had, in the speech referred to, used language which was wholly unbecoming his position. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER interposed, and expressed a hothat his hon. friend (blr. Cobden) would not take an n et ice of the warm expressions used. It was uite clear that tbe statements made by his hon. friend were q perfectly true• and it really would be a waste of mime further to discuss the matter. Mr. BULLING conceived that the hon. member fur the West Riding bad unjustly abused the navy. if the ships lay in harbour he abused the admirals, and said they were afraid to ge to sea: and if they were active they were equally abused. What would he have them to do ? (Hear. Mr. BRIGHT said it was desirable for the house to rid Itself of the idea that the cervices of the army and navy were sot to come under as rigorous discussion, and undergo as searching an investigation, as they were accustomed to ex tend—he feared too little --to other d e pertenents. nearing In mind that by tar die largest portion of the available reve nue of the country wee expended in the mnintenence of the military department, that was quite a sufficient reason why they, the guardians of the public purse, should have under their own eye what was doing in those departments. Though it might be true that the blood of Domeier , could protect itself, bon. members should recollect that they were tere to protect the taxipayees of the country ; and he was disposed to do so. Mr. G. ROBINSON said, the great complaint against the hon. member for the West Riding bad been that he had 7 i r l r a es ci e i nte . dwhLhee those i tip sAm in eri t c. he na M w e e i r l e ite c rt o r ti ea nu n id i l s y s running up and down. There never was a term so misapplied to the British navy, which had never been in so efficient a state. Capt. HARRIS thought the hon. member for the West Riding ought to have apologised to the country for the terms in which he oof the navy and the Doke of Wel lington, which h ad excited a feeling of indignation through out the country. Mr. W. BROWN said the speech was addressed to an audience who knew that the hon. member for the West Riding had not been at Egypt or Malta for the last ten year. After a few words from Mr. Hens and Capt. HaefUs, in explanation, the vote was leveed to. The next vote was 500,0001. towards defraying the expertise of naval stores and repairs, which, alter an inquiry from Mr. Hume, was agreed to. 200,0001. for the half-pay of officers of the navy and the royal marines. lIUME said it was most important that this item, which was in all 700,0001. or 800,0001., should be reduced, The vote was agreed to. MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES. Mr. PARKER then the to take some votes on ac count of the items in the miscellaneous expenditure, which were all necessary fur the public service. Tho totals of the items on which he now proposed to take votes en account, would not be greater than they had been last year. The following votes were then proposed , an d agreed to without discussion : 50,0001., for repairs, &c., of public buildings ; for furni ture, &c., for various public departments; for certain charges for lighting and watching, for rates and taxes; also, for the maintenance and repairs of royal palaces and works in the royal gardens. '2.5,0001., for works at the new houses of parliament. 10,0001., fee works required for enlarging and improving Buckingham Palace. 10,0001., salaries and expenses in the department of her Majesty's treasury. 8,0001 , salaries and expenses of the office of Secretary of State for the Home Department. Iii,1)00/., salaries and expenses in the departmeet of Secre tary for Foreign Affairs, also Queen's tnrssvngerv. 10,0001., salaries and expenses In the department of the Secretary of State for the Colonies. 10,0001 , salaries and expenses in the department of the privy council, and the committee of privy council for trade. 5001. towards the salary of the Lord Privy Seal. Mr. HUME said he thought it a lit oppovunity to take art objection to that vote, as the Lord Privy Seal was absent from the country ; but afterwards said ho would raise the objection en a future vote. 10,0001., charge in the office of the department o ff f Comp l - troll, r-General of the Exchequer, and Paymaster C Services. 1,0001., portion of the expenses of the Ecclesiastical Com missioners for England. 4,0001., salaries and expenses in the departrnent of Comp. t ro ll e r-General of the Exchequer, and Paymaster of Civil Services. 6,0001., salaries and expenses connected with the public records, also compensations to keepers of records and others whose offices have been abolished. 20,0001 , expenditure of the several branches of the Mint. 2,0001,, charge of office of Paymaster of Civil Services in Ireland. 14,0001., ealaries and expenses of the Board of Public Works in Ireland. 50,0001., ex pense' of stationery, printing, and binding, for the several departments of government in England, Scotland, Inland, and the colonies. 8,0001., charge of her Majesty's foreign and other secret services. 5,0001., expenses connected with the prosecution of offenden ligainit the laws relating to the coin. Mr. RMIE complained of the extravagance of this item (the total of the estimate being 9,6001) ; and said he should move for returns to show how it was expended. 10,0001., expenses incurred by the sheriffs ; deficiency in fees in. the office of Queen's Remembrances ; and certain expenses of the Queen's Prison. Sir J. GRAHAM _ _ _ there wee ne more really meritorious - genius amongst the many distinguished seniors of the noble lord at the head of the government than the foundation of the prison at Park hurst. (lieu. beer.) While he (Sir Jame.) wu ia office, • number of these boys had been sent to Australia , wh ere he h o ped they would be able to earn an honest livelihood by their good conduct. Lord J. RUSSELL said ho had not had sufficient experi ence in connexion with the institution to entitle him to SPISWItt the question of the hon. member f or Monter:4i; but he hop. a •hat, alter w hat had been said, the hon. gentleman would he induced to think that the institution was • useful see- In founding this institution he had gone upon the principle that the reform lion of old offenders was pot much to be depended on; the penitence of men of 25 or 30 years of age often turned o ut to be a studied s y stem of hypocrisy and the best behaved convict s when th y left England tre quently turned out the worst when they relapsed. But in boys of 10 or 12 years of age, their bad principles might be indicated. ( Hear, hear.) Such was the principle on which this prison bad been founded; and he considered it one ' which the public ought to uphold. Mr. HUME said he doubted the success of the institution at first, knowing how apt thieves were to assume a hypo , eritical penitence. Still ho had no objection to their being s e nt out to the colonies, where a fair field would be open to their industry. But it was objectionable for these parties to be transported at the public expense when honest men c ,uld not he assisted to emigrate. Mr. V. SMITH said these convicts were only acceptable in the colonies on account of the discipline to which they had been subjected at Parkhurst. It wee a doubtful and fearful question how far this distinction ought to be made between honest and vicious young men, in favour of the latter ; but ma the question of economy he thought some reductilin might be made in the vote for Parkhurst, by calling oa the parents and parishes of the children, where they could be found, to defray a portion 01 the net. The expense might be reduced in another way ; by requiring the colonists, who were greatly in want of labourers, to defray a portion of the cost of their conveyance out. Mr. A. HENRY said there were SOO prisoners at Park hunt, and the annual expense was 13,0001., of which ,00 0 1. went in establishment Outran ( Hear.) Ile thought it little better than • means of creating patronage and giving Wariest. Sir J. GRAHAM thought the hen. gentleman spoke from an imperfect acquaintance with the matter. Considering all the circumstances, the arningement was a most economical one. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had been very anxious fur the reform of juvenile offenders, and had framed the institution with that view, not out of any desire to increase the govern ment patronage. In selecting the governor hie choice had been entirely guided by the Mum of Captain Woolfurd for the °dice. The other departments had bee. filled up under the recommendation of the inspectors of prisons ' some of them by individuals whom he ( Lord J. Russell) had never seen till he met them at l'arkhurst. hear.) Mr. HENRY repeated that the expense of the es•ablish. mutt was quite out of proportion to the good it was calcu lated to effect. The vote wu then agreed to, u were the following : 6,0001., fur the Model Prison at Pentonville. 16,00 W., expenses of the prison at Millhank. 4.0001., expenses of the general prison at Perth. 30,0001, fur law expense* in Sue land. 35,0001., for the expenses of criminal prosecutions, and other law charges in Ireland. 10,0001., expenses of the metropolitan police of Dublin. 30,0001., to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to issue money for the sulvancement of education in Ireland. 3,0001., for the School of Deign, and for aiding provincial schools. 30,0001., towards the charge fu consular establishments abroad. 10,0011, towards payment of the extraordinary disburse ments of her Majesty's missions abroad. 10,0001., for superannuation allowances, and compensation to persons formerly employed in the public service. 011001., expenses of non•conforming, seceding, and pro testsnt dissenting ministers in Ireland. Mr. HUME hoped this vote would b t postponed till cer. lain returns were published, which might assist the house in making a fair distribution of the money thus granted. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid it had purpose, the practice for many ears to vote 36,1. for this of which only on e fourth was now ask o ed oo for. Atter a few words from Mr. BRIU HT, the vote was agreed to. 100,0001. for the commissariat department, 10,0001. fur half-pay pensions and allowances in the commissariat depart- mrnt. The house rein= d, and the Chairman reported the reso lutions. Mr. BRIGHT said that when the vote for ecclesiastical purposes in the colonies came before the house, he would make a motion on the su ect. If they were to pay for the re ligion of the colonists, they might se well pay for their bread and butter. (Laughter.) QUALIFICATION AND REGISTRATION OF ELECTORS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, Capt. JONES said he did not mean to object tothe second reading, but he saw no reason for hurrying it on till certain returns which had been moved fur, and which would throw light on the subjeet, had been laid on the table. Col. CONOLLY said the only objection he entertained to the bill was as to the amount of qualification. Mr. HUMS thought the government had taken a step in the right direction by introducing the bill. His only regret was that it did not ro tar enough. Sir R FERGUSON thought that the psor-law valua tion should be also introduced in borouvbs. lie hoped the government would likewise consider the aubject of joint occupation in counties. Sir J. YOUNG said that it was most important that the qualification should be plaved on a cert tin basis. Its amount might be safely discussed in committee. The shortening of the durttion of the elections would be a great boon to Ireland. Mr. 11. A. HERBERT said the subject of valuation was so important that it could not be too strongly pressed upon the consideration of the governmect. The house could not be aware of the extreme inequalities which existed on this point in the south of Ireland. Ile would give the home one extraordinary instance of this in the district with which he was more particularly acquainted. There was a kind of scramble between two unions for a particular parish which had but few paupers, and the boards of guardians of each onion gave orders to their respective valuators to value the district. It was 'rattled by one at 2,5001., and by the other at 1,4.001., making a difference in a small district of 7001. (Hear, hear.) Great dissatisfaction existed in consequence of the want of uniformity of valuation. That dissatisfaction was already considerable where it affected pecuniary inter este, and he had no doubt it would be greatly increased when it extended to political privileges. lie hoped the go vernment would give them some assurance that this import ant subject would be taken into their consideration. Sir D. NORREYS thought the bill should be made ap plicable to boroughs. The most disgraceful scenes tookplace in the registration courts from the want of certainty with re. spent to the valuation. He thought that this uncertainty should be removed. FREWEN thought that a franchise, founded on an 41. valuation under the poor law, was toe low, and that the fixing of polling places ought to he left to the grand jury. The limitation of the duration of elections to one day would be a great boon. Sir W. SOMERVILLE was glad to see that the bill seemed acceptable to the house. The suggestions of the hon. member for Kerry, with respect to the valuation, would re ceive the consideration of government. The question whether the borough franchise should be dealt with in the same way as the county franchise would receive the atten tion of government in committee. (Hear, hear.) lie hoped that the bill would be productive of social as well as political advantages to Ireland—that it would do away with the con flicting swearing respecting valuation which existed at pre sent, and induce landlords to grant leases to their tenants. Mr. R. M. FOX hoped that the government would not delay the bill, as the conetiteencies of Ireland were decreas ing till they became almost ridiculous. The bill was then read a second time. BOROUGH ELECTIONS (No, 2) BILL. On the motion that the house resolve itself into cora mittoeon this bill, Cal. SIBTHORP moved that the bill be committed that day six months. The hon. ban. who introduced this bill bad thought fit to include Lincoln amongst the nine boroughs with respect to which inquiry was to be made. lie had no far of investigation as far as Lincoln was concerned. Ile considered thb bill tyrannical, unjust, and unsatisfactory. The bill gave a most ty rannical power of searching the books of a gentleman's banker, and even the papers of his solicitor. Ile could tell the hon. baronet that there was far more money spent in Hull at one election—he did not say by the hon. baronet—than was spent in Lincoln from the year 1711 to the present time. (Laughter.) If such a bill as this was allowed to pass, where were they to stop ? He hoped the honourable baronet in introducing this bill was not acting under the advice or direction of the government. If this bill went through committee, which he should endea vour to prevent, he should at another stage try to secure n better attendance of members than ordinarily could be ob tained in that house. If they were to have inquiry at all, let it he a general inquiry ; don't leave out the Flint die. trice, Hull, Shrewsbury (laughter), London, Tavistock, and (said the right hon. member in a shout) Bandon-bridge. (Renewed laughter.) It was a shuffling, mean, miserable, pettifogging, dirty, villanout measure, and that was but an imperfect expression of his feelings. The question having been put, Mr. C. PEARSON said his accidental absence from the house had prevented him from moving the amendment of which he had given notice. This circumstance placed him in a sornewhat peculiar position. In his judgment this bill looked in the right direction, but his objection to it was that he feared it would not be efficient for the purpose it contem plated. Bribery was of all others the crime for which the penalties were most stringent, but yet the number of the offences proved and punished bore the smallest pomible pro portion to the number of the offences committed. It was • crime which had increased, was increasing, and he feared would continue to increase, unless a new law was applied. Human nature seemed insufficient to bear up against the temptation. The Reform Bill had been far from curing t h e di s ease. In many cases bribery had been greater since the passing of that bill than before. (Opposition cries of Hear, beer.") if they looked into their clue-books, they would lied Mr Parka, Mr. Coppook, and other EVENING, MAY 27, 1848. ... t ipe in , , Opuses of the prison for Merectile telknaars at anii t ~ k r , u askad Ilii21 , 812 ; ' wini _i le i"C e %L a l e aronta r "He Calved t;, y0„, 0.. r.. ITA ti e ' : ,so ot i tn i t t ,l7 .. _,___ ' ; to the A Vid, ere they n tali tas ntowers, on 42, to -account of their moral dine ISO and ea:olnd physical 11l and condition. . f4,e J. ORAH.2II was bound to say that he believed agents, stating that whether they took Stafford, Va e ,r i efrTck, - I.pswich, or other place., the system of bribery would be found to have spread considerably. Lord Palmer- Am in 1837, deslared his opinion that, "at the preeeding derkon bribery had exceeded anything that ever was known within those walls." The fault was, that under the present law every one was interested in concealing bribery, and no one was interested in exposing it. What he would bays was, either an effectual p re vention of bribery, or an effectual punishment for it. He therefore desired that a second sche dule to this act should contain all towns with above 10,000 iababitants, and that in the event of a conviction for bribery, the nearest unrepresented town to that convicted should have the member, thus giving it a dialect interest in the conviction of the town in which bribery was said to be committed. The effect of this would be to secure in every use a searching and conclusive inquiry. Suppose, for example, Horsham was convicted, Croydon, a town of 18,000 inhabitants, would have the franchise. If Derby were convicted, Helper, hav ing proved the case, would be united with it. He asked for this alteration as a small instalmetit of reform. • Mr. BANKES opposed the bill. He denied that the Hor sham committee had made any impeachment of corrupt pose. Hose splint the electors of that borough Mr. N KWD E 0 ATE opposed the bill. Mr. 11013 HOUSE considered the bill to be partial, unjust, and oppressive, and as such demanded the strongest opposition. Ile would tell the hon. member for Lambeth that the borough which he represented oontained a consti tuency as ure as that which sent him to hat house. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL 'aid that t the violent opre 'Bien to the bill was not properly directed. The question before the house was whether they were determined to put dewn bribery and corruption. It was very well to say the wu partial ; but would those who opposed it on that ground support a general bill, if such were to be brought in f He did not believe they would. The bill proposed to examine into the cases of bribery which had been proved to exist in certain boroughs ; end if it was contended that the majority of English boroughs were sorrupt, he denied most strenuously that such was the fact. It was all very well for the presect honourable member for Lincoln to defend the purity of that borough as far ss be was concerned, but former election proceedings in that place had not been so pure ; hut on the contrary, a select committee had reported to the house that in the election before the hat a gross system of treating and bribery had prevailed there, In which the hon. and gallant member for Lincoln had been stated to have tiken part. (Col. Sibthorp here exclaimed, That is felse."l The bill before the house was calculated to chece such practices in particular cases where they were proved to have occurred, so as to operate upon the whole of the borough constituencies, sad he sincerely trusted the Insises would not delay further to go into com mittee upon it. Mr. STUART opposed the bill, not because it prevented bribery, but because it sought to inquire into what was alleged to be bribery in an illegal and unconstitutional manner. It was a bill inflicting pains and penalties on the poorer clued voters—(hear, haul—and it was brought for ward by the hoc. member for Montrose, who complained that the suffrage was not sufficiently extended. It was a piece of ex post facto legislation, and as such should meet with his decided opposition. (Hear, hear.) Ile conjured the house gravely ti consider the provisions of this measure before they pledged themselves to a course which might pluntio tho whole electoral sy-tem into interminable dif ficulties. Mt. HUME said, that the object of t..e bill was inquiry, not punishment. As to the accusation of its beta ex post facto in its character, every trial was an ex post facto pro ceeding, and in this case legislation was a necessary conse quence of acts which had been discovered by committees of that house. Mr. HENLEY said, that the bill was not to try a man for an otheee he had committed, but to pass a new law creating a new offence. Ile objected to it as including a great number of boroughs against whom so y different amounts' of corruption were charged, end gg to them ell the same sweeping condemnation. Mr. COCKBURN would give his cordial support to the bill, and he hoped the house would , by passing the bill, show its determination to put down bribery in every shape. (Hear.) The object of the hill was nut to disfranchise these boroughs, but tee institute an inquiry, by means of commis sioners on the spot, who would have the opportunity of examining witnesses upon oath, which a committee of the house could not do. There was nothing of an inquisitorial or es posi facto nature in the bill. Mr. AGIAONBY said that the whole object of the in quiry was to ascertain whether the offences had been com mitted. With regard to the question as to whether the giving a man a glass of ale or a government situation in a dockyard, to influence a vote, was to be considered corrup tion, he looked upon the one as well as the other as an of fence which ought to be put down. After a few words from Mr. Austwittoor, which were sot beard, the house divided— For going into committee 166 Against it 7B-83 After a few words from Sir J. Hummer, Sir H Willoughbv, and Lord Courtensy, the house went into committee pro fornui, and on the house resuming obtained leave to sit again. TOBAGO RELIEF AND IMMIGRATION INTO BRITISH GUIANA AND TRINIDAD BILL. Oa the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, Sir ii. WILLOUGHJIY observed that he had nothing to say against the amount or object of the grant ia this bill. lie admitted that the sum (5,0001.) was small but he did i not think it was competent for a minister of the crown to make any grant of money, however small, without the sanc- tion of the Rouse of Commons, at least while that house was sitting. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 'aid that the grant was made at the discretion of the executive govern• ment, subject to laying the subject before the house. They were informed that a hurricane had overwhelmed many of the labouring population, and that extreme destitution was the consequence. That discretion was accordingly exercieed, and it was only in such a case th at the exercise of it was Mr. HUME still doubted the right of government to 1. grant 5,0001. while parliament was sitting. He wished to I have some explanation also of the advance of 200,0001., men tioned in Lord Grey's letter. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that the despatch had been written under very urgent cir cumstances, and certainly nothing had been done under it 'of which parliament was net already cognisant. He had on a previous occasion stated that the former government had authorised the expense to be incurred of sending coolies from the East Indies to these two colonies. The expense, and that of relieving them, was to be defrayed by loans to be raised by the colonists themselves, and ordinances had been passed for that purpose, but, after the emigration had taken place, in consequence of a technical legal difficulty in those ordinances, it was found by the agents of the colonies in this couatry impossible to carry them into effect, or, in the then state of the money market, to raise the loans on any reasonable terms. All the expense had been incurred be fore the present government had come into office ; but, on the day parliament met, aft, r the holidays, he had stated the whole circumstances of the matter in respect to which there had not been any concealment ; and therefore he felt that the go vernment were justified in answering the liabilities which they found their predecessors had incurred, and in making the advance stated, to prevent innocent parties who had conveyed the Coolies home from the loss which would other wise have been entailed upon them. Still he admitted that he was notinepared to say . that the course taken was one which ought to be drawn into a precedent ; while at the same time the peculiar circumstances of the case afforded a full justification to the government for this proceeding. Mr. HUME expressed himself satisfied with the explana tion, but hoped that this trausaction would not be permitted to be followed as a precedent. The bill was the. read a second time, and ordered to be ' committed on Monday next. SUNDAY TRADING. On the motion of Mr. lON 'HAT, seconded by Mr. BRO. nw, leave was given te bring in a bill to amend the laws against Sunday trading as far as relates to the me . tropolis. THE AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. Lord PALMERSTON brought up papers relating to the affairs of Spain, which were laid on the table and ordered to be printed. The house adjourned at a quarter to I o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. LORDS' MINORITY ON THE JEIVISH DISABILITIES BILL. CONTENTS ON THE SECOND READING OF THE JEWISH DISABILITIES BILL. Lord Chancellor Chichester BAEON,. Grey Ilastgli Archbishop of York Mint° nacre St. Germans Camoys Morley Beaumont Burlir. tton Vaus Camperdown Say and Selo Liverpool Arundel' Gninville Yarborough 1 1 3 tiontfort Leiceeter Foley Zetland Sulfeld Auckland Lyteltou Fitzhsrdingc Wodeboune Strafford Erskine Bruce Manners Pcsborough %Marocliffo Hatchery Brougham Fingal Kinnaird Sefton Whim .re Ellesmere Dinorben Kenmare Denman Glasgow Portman De Mauley VIWOCNTS. Wrottesley Bolingbroke Sudeley Exmouth Stuart de Decree Canning Leigh Hantinge Colborne Dunfermline Bognor*. Slonteagle St. David's Keane Worcester Campbell Manchester Vivian Hereford Cremorne Milford Eddisburg PROXIES. Thant Wolin& Gaston' Abercromby Cowper Acheson Cork Howard de Walden Kingston Gleneig Caren VIKAVYTP. CIODCUITy Melbourne llotherton Falkland Mostyn Monson Dawns. Stanley of Aiderley 3tourtem Dormer LOVIZ Odd Dam/lei Duw. Norfolk Alban'A Lade Clew , land Argyll Roil:run MAIM:MS. Lansdowmc Angler), Hertford Bresdalbano Laidorulerry Donsgat Sligo Clanricarde Ormonde Wertmineter Forteacue Spencer SlirewAburT Huntingdon Suffolk Scari;orougli kitrwlUilm Clualemont Craven Drle. Somerset B=loll Devonshire Sutherland Grafton MAHAVINGE. Westmeath Normanby 1 Hamilton Emus. Diaby PAIL LOS TEI MIORT. Earl of Sandwich Lord Eli hlratorie Earl of Haddlagton Lord Carrington Marquis of Albs Lord Willoughby d'Eresby Earl of Lauderdale Lord Whitten Earl of Shaftesbury Lord lie.tuvute Doke of Cambridge Lord Stafford Lord Vonbroet Lord Itortanore Earl of itatifuriey Lord Do Yrryne Earl of Eldon .... _ _ laid Titlbut de NiaLiltide Karl of Orkney Doke of Bedford Viaeount lake Bishop of Durham Earl of ErnaOAS WI of kiodnor Earl of Raisin Ear i;TQ. ELECTION COMMITTEES—YESTERDAY. LeicesTEL—Evidence in rapport of petition mi., tinned. CHELTENHAM. — The committee decided on Clow ing the recognisance" to be amended, at in the Dicwhe case. The recognisance& were then amendod, and after hearing some formal evidence the committee adjourned to this day. the erproo. MAILS. The mails for New South Wales, Van inceian'a Lend, eati Nn Zealand will be made up on the y vening of the Sin May. The mulls for the West West of Africa and Maleir.. oil: be made tap oa the evening of the 3 let May. The mall. for British North America, and the United • will be maue up on the evening of the 2nd June. The We'd India Mails, ',winding Bermuda, Nassau, Mum& !fondues, New Orleans, Vera Crux, Tampico, and Porto Ham, ard excluding those for Madeira, Jacroel, tiaritiagenn, tient' Baths. Clogrea, Panama, West Coast of South America, and tit. Juan' de. Nicaragua, will be made up on the mmning of the Ind June. The made for the Brutle, the Kiser Plate, Mute Video, Perms. bun. Bah* Madeira, and Buenos Ayres, will be made up on th e evening of the Srd June. The maila for Vigo, Oporto ? Lisbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and Garai* will be made tIP on the morning of the 7th Jute. The em t eh a cloned mails, via Marseilles, hi the Habit rrarvase Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Kong, &c, will be made up se% evening of the ith June. The overland made for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Islands , Egypt, made yln, India, Hong-Kong, and ihine, via Suuthampi tan, will he up on the momuar of the 20th June. NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS. The number of STAMPS issued by the authorithte o f the Stamp•office, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS was 3,447,009 This, we believe, is within eight per cent of the number issued to the Morning Herald, Morning Chronicle, and Morning Post, ALL FUT TOOETIIII/i. In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS, Morning Paper, there were issued for the Evening &lino% VIE EXPRESS 778,714 Which was more, we believe, than were issued either t the Globe or Standard, Evening Paper.. HIGH WATER AT LOS DUN BRIDGE. u..—oratag, 2A Ws. past A ; Afterree Ink.plot Il maow—lionstag, 42 =la sant ; Ateare... 14 .ingni M. LONDON, SATURDAY, MA I' 27. TILE 1101188 of Lords has refused to un-Jewify the Jews. We know no better way of doing that than the making citizens of them, and Englishmen, and doing away with the badges which much more than tradi tional opinion render a man a Jew. But the Boas of Lords will not have it. As they long struggled to render it a point of honour that every catholic should remain a catholic, so now they are determined that Judaism shall not be mitigated, that it shall not con form, that it shall not be absorbed in the ideas of an age and the habits of a society to which Judaism is so heterogeneous that every rubbing and colli sion smoothes away some one Jew particle or another. Such considerations have no weight with the Lords. Lord LANSDOWNE declared that it is the " character of our constitution to abhor exclusion." If so, the Lords make no part of the constitution, for exclusion is the great principle of their creed, their pride, their policy, and their exist ence. And we verily believe that the vote against the Jews proceeded not so much from religious or politi cal scruples as from the pure love of exclusion—from the desire to keep political rights as much confined to the aristocracy and its caste as possible. In the debate there were three kinds of objectors to the admission of the Jews to parliament : those who objected on political grounds; those v.ho objected not so much upon religious as upon ecelesiadatel grounds; and those whose hostility was, by their's" avowal, founded upon superstitious fears. Lai STANLEY represented the first; the Bishop of Olson spoke the opinion of the second ; and Lord ELLENIIO. ROI:011 was the mouthpiece of the third. Lord STANLEY'S principles are those of political exclusion. You require, he argued, a certain surd money to be possessed by the man who claims a east in parliament. This is the will and pleasure of the legislature, who think the sum of money guarantees a certain degree of education and fitness in a represen tative. The same will and pleasure excludes the Jew, because he holds tenets that the majority dell" No one has a right to be elected to parliament. The law and the legislature give this right to those they please, and none can claim the right where it is withheld. The Bishop of OXFORD laid down this doctrine in learned Latin. And what is it after all but the divine right of the aria tocracy to create law and constitution, and inter pret both according to their power and wisdom? We always understood that Englishmen had aright to be represented in parliament—at least that area possessed of taxable property had a right not to M taxed save with the consent of the majority of their representatives ; and this we believe to be the foun dation of English freedom, and the most sacred right of every section of this country. In critical and dan gerous times certain classes of oun Englishmen were denied this right on the ground of specisl danger and precaution: but these arc exceptions. The principle of the constitution, and of something higher than the constitution, viz., natural rights — is that all men having a stake in the country should contribute by themselves or their deputies to its mein tenance and government. The country is Christian, not because the legislature wills it, but because the country is so ; and if the country chose not to be no legislative power could alter or conceal the fact. All that legislation can do, therefore, is to repress cer tain tendencies. And then the question comes—did excluding the catholics from the legislature repress catholicism? Does the exclusion of the Jews tend to repress Judaism? We say it has the contrary effect; for exclusion has the character of persecu tion, and partakes of its undeniable result. Passing (coin the political objections to the eccle siastical ones, we find their arguments summed up in the warning of the Bishop of OXFORD, that this bill was but a first step to the separation of church and state. His lordship admitted that some pro gress had been made with this separation. The legis lature had become more and more estranged from the church, and distrusted by the church ; and if this bill were passed, it would bring down the house of Commons to the Jewish level, and bring all questions in which the church was in terested, such as education, to be treated in an anti ecclesiastical spirit. We must own that we never foresaw all this as the result of Baron Ituruserilin and Mr. SALOMONS getting into parliament. We see, indeed, the progress that the right reverend prelate points out with so much horror, bat we always attributed it to the deep conviction and in creasing influence of men and of members of parlia ment zealously professing Christianity, and very strong belief in it. Bishop TillitLM SSA that as far as the worldly interests of the church of England were oonceraed, he had much rather trust them to a Jew than to a dissenter. And, in fact, the miclesiastival objectors would ez elude the Jew, not because he i s a Jew, but becausehe is a dissenter; and what can more strongly mark the utter futility of their opposition With the third, or superstitious, class of objected we know not well how to deal, at least seriouelp Lord ELLENBOROUOT I reminded the house that this was an epoch of revolution, that empires were daily broken like potsherds, that Europe was in flames, and but a small arm of the sea separates England fromthe conflagration. To preserve England from revoluties , therefore, Lord ELLEN noROUGU implored the House of Lords not to let Baron ROTHSCHILD into parliament! Bat how was the presence of the baron in the other home to revolutionise their lordships ? " Because (argued Lord ELLEN BOROUGH) you would deprive yoneeeleeo of all right to heavenly aid." The Jews, or their due franchisement, are thus to be the holocaust to prop tiate the Divine power to keep revolution from crow ing the channel! Another fear of Lord ELLENI3OROUGII is, lest S Mohammedan should find his way ints parliameet. His lordship is anonvete politician. Ile took in India the part ra t e e against the Mo hammedan, and brought back the gates of Somnauth B e a trophy that he had avenged the idolatrous race by humbling the unitheist. He would pursue h i e vic tory in the House of Commons, where the remitted of both Hindoo and Mohammedan may sit, but eels" , Baron ROTIISCIITLD must not, lest he should intro duce Freech communism am'c the ClanueL politico ludicra fi nd a fore tl p lena ' mane. no rig Suc in pa At a ssum b eg in' hearts a t Fr morel or pr