The Express. — London, England, 1847-06-04 00:00:00

r IMMIIMIMINIIMMII radon of Nottingham, praying for the repeal of oil laws for tke protectioa of Game. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MURSDAir, JuNE 3. The Breattew Woh the 66 at 4 o'clock. PIIVA BUdr4llll. IPAPOWIL-11166 MaidweleedOswgway ; West Loados sad 436416 Betc, as& .mid /64.66 st i ,V 11161641111.112 Weelsta Nreet e Lnadee sod 164666 /6606; Whalergl red Wipe Railway. Giserwler sed Webrd erieng end Canal Purchase; Oral Wesbern fwwwiweet sad 6orteees); tmedr, Dewaleay, 166wWer biltway (ierawits Wakadeid and )osothea at Iledft„ WE tire masedwa, 66116, d Ocele, and We York cad 1666 hedwart) ; Law 66a1 Railway station; 46e sad 166 = ow n de= o. (l,l=l.l l . g :ezool d Ste l a si r o zdesils4; ani s : Am bient; Newaseldesed leede Railway (bra" hew Itts Hsi est absera smarm mi.., to Barnet", sod .marks 11•166 We* ; Wesehest6 mid 'Leeds Railway (x 666 sr Mob et helglewer et Wo Weet Wen Ualew ftMewe, sod sew lies fete 46); , retelhid, awl Llawbahl 116 way (46 stleeertere W joie the flak ferest Wel Twertasel sad 56ee6116 cT row; Wattmeter, Shaft* eel 161616) Itailesy (hwesh ism Mierinicr Lyme to (NOM) I Ihised la& way (646 aid 11104.4.# Railway deeltl im approsit Is Wanton (wise )' Othed, Weetter, awl 1/ Railway it ri f.: ; Zi oi t i ewerless sod stradatent) ; dtraftley Ilreaddbane Reftweet DlsweWe Land 066 ; test sad North MEW Raw (Ilimpie Month, Led. limainua) ; =ID RlADlWOL—Asthergate, Nottingham, sod Bomos Miss hissles hallway (alteration of km and brambee to Notting. reAl 61846 Itallway (braottles to Cannobie, 16); 0166, Aye ' Wear , N 0.2) ; thargorr. Ktiirrar Tl47..llll=earat sod Ileeth Western Rail way (Andover to the Bishop stoke and &e.); lioatuff Hartour ; Metropolitan See m) Itenore ; esessi. reenr,j r n:t ; Herded Ra il way Deria. therYWNee(7ltlt(wall Wsecruej; dates el " kin N roan ori t S''r eso: dee; Waterford aid Ihestilt Lelway; BUIL MILK BVIIINEMS. IPITITIONB.—ItyIiIk. Swart, psdifises Item the towns of Maitland sad Ilswesetle, ha Seethed' Wales, what dee tented of the system READt2fo.—ramie bolls and Washbooese Act Amend- wit - 11111. - 'POND Rates; &age Carriages, Ike, lutp___"ll4 — •;;;;;Noss, , ourstrrellS.—Barstt Police (Scotland) ; True Money Invest. art (Wand), Bins. i.—Quaker' aM Jews' Marmites i - ltirenllo Offenders, Ma. MOM 011DISID.-0• tho morns of Kr. 111..nr. Mara of sil ordltris soswelled for the ristrisa d mba r. to roil la Or Mena Ilimsmt. Or that dOr 11. W. Mars, Return, of Ss are prat tt ffellmrst he Irak art Sur* Fisher= is Os was INS of VIOL OR thr of Mr. Osp los of the 'Oral =ste s sl ai rfare Is Os ore • turs at Butarina, la 1•11. Of dra Dos part of as shi = B o•L ..— lllowserr of liretkos. Marti Sr warn ear sordlre MN Sr so sormatarb sosiNsa=ls IlmtOrsolohass, whir soils whirl dOr 1101111 ii barlsorso wratraisto the le dos weer brit he Orr Off 110111011.—J•vestos Orrsom=risoorr, se Os report of this ho =sr as ashoka of as — words in the Ilst slum whir sollsrbo the sursinsat of "lborgiag." CONSERVANCY BILL. On the motion that the report on this bill be further con sidered, Sir R. INOLIS asked whether the Attorney-General had, on the part of the mown, given his scent to the surrender made in this bill of the rights of the crown is the soil of the Thames. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied in the affirmative. Mr. HUME expressed his approbauon of the measure ; that theheld out was, that, when the various im ft toin the current of the Thames were cleared away, upon shipping, which now defrayed the awe= if dim operations, would no longer be levied. The Ma. walaber etleeesd to the constitution of the pro posed eeseurvaney board, conaidering that instead of nine toss asseation, all of them aldermen or common oouneihnen, there should be only twelve members, three aldermen, live common councilmen, and four gentlemen immediately con sulted with the shipping and commercial interests. (Hear.) The hon. member, for the purpose of effecting thin amend ment, moved that the bill be recommitted. Mr. WARD said that in principle his hon. friend might be quite right, but as the corporation of London had been from all time the coneervatore of the river Thames, and had pledged their credit for carrying en them operations to the extent of nearly half a million sterling, he did not see how, without the oonsent of the City, the proposed re-arrangement of the board could be made. _ The Earl of LINCOLN blamed the corporation of London for the delay which impeded the settlement of the dispute with the crown, as to the right in the soil of the Thames. HU own opinion was, that the Board to be appointed should allaziat of a mitred commission, in which the public were equally repeeented with the corporation, and he instanced the precedent of a similar dispute as to the na vig ation of the Money. the enserratiou of which had bees treeederred, at his raril by the liberality of the eirmation of =Liver e riled eseeesisioe, in which tilie corporation had only he ado ofeepeeedetion. He was quite confident that the bill would adienteatidestion. Visaed MOIRPITH begged to explain the course which he had thought dt to take with respect to the bill. On coming into °Mao Is• found that the interests of navigation were meidely allsoted by the dedicting authorities to which the of the Thum was intrusted. A creede rVitimftedameedled eateeleiledon, but a suit then going en between the City mad the Crown prevented its reetamesnia. ton being carried Weasel. He (Viscount Morrell_ ) feed that the suit had imeeeseiced in 1844, and was not Mary te eel for at least three pers. Under theme circumstances, and although he believe' the right of the crown to be a legitimate mai well humid Nis, having boss informed by the Yea ties se impormenents in the river could go on whit Tea . eat wee pemillog. be bad introdend this bill for the peoples putilnir eeminallen to tbe Wigethefe. cad thu s :vest eta, nesemsry imprewerente being The eillakally had approved den the improvements Indlitad by the bgr t sad the board of oesserveney would had to carry them into effect. The corporation of Lander had words of 100,0001. per annum of dues at their dtspassl,sd ovoid not therefore be crippled for want "MY he believed that no sum which could be raised, if thegeddaret's claims were enforced, wool I be of the slightest use. The expenditure would be directed by the-board of dessesimmy, under the mmervieion of the gene ral beard, and would be subject to the examination of an in spieler et tried skill and ability. On the whole, he thought haled gm debt I. postponing the legal right of the crown to whet every MS seksowledged to be a great and important palls geed. (Rees, bear.) Mk T. DIINCOXBX opposed the bal. He looked upon rimy wassre that emanated from the corporation of Lon don with a coneiderebd degree of suspicion. (A laugh.) Mr. WILLIAMS Aimed to a board of conservancy com posed eiclueively of atedire of the corporation. He thought that the *hippie end memeereial interests of the City should be repeemed fa seek a breed. Xi. AbIeemmODPILAND thought that the government bed allopesi a vie mom to posing an end, by a reasonable esigmelektektedhee ami . ve Xr. 00 seek a dwarf Mew of the measure. Mr. J. 8. WORTLEY opposed the bill, as giving such important powers to any lased beard. He thought that a bill which wee nearly es haportaat as the Health of Towne Bill, should be brought forward as a public, not a private, said, that his object was meetly the recom mittal of the bill. . _ . . The doti . ; dyed.—Fer recroamittaL 7l Against it 66-6 Bir R. INGLIS inquired whether, in ors • the bill were drop by the :rut and rejiated by the house, the suit between the e sad the crown uto the right in the NS of the river be revived Lett MAMA repleektbat the wit err still peadiss, Iltbe pthesat Amid nth Ism the eragermot tw end, ain the esepeesties awl the to m yield be n Marty et an rad, sad the Bretwilth peseta Ti. bill wee deme 1111611114 to Da ;ialuadtted on Monday aut. BRITISH 11112RYRNTION PORTUGAL. lITAIUME asked whether the Chneetko of the Earls. quer istanded to mere a Tots at supply teneenw, In order to amble him (Mr. Hain) to king an hie maks in respect te the akin of Penned ? The CHANCELLOR of the EMORRQUER could only • repeat the donnas' white bed bees made on a Smear overlay by his nide Maid, the Hat Lard of the Tunny, thattisegressemenheeght it ambablensinly on knows emennkhet ememst Sall penis% that *ekes shoal& Is k peemelenefthesgems eentakko all the insesaties ens the Inkiest to whin ibe hem sember's manes mokeed,le hee they preemielle Mess h. He hadgreetMprtbattbe papers weal& be gramenl es Meshy ; and as ems es key wen in the bob el neembine he would, as the OS niggly sight, men a wile e in seas is give an oppielnily of big ing es the dionelen. (Seer, hear.) Towsnew (We day) be fleineed an with the Inn Dimmest = bike the - eir SAM M. LULU' nimbi lo the disessise an the rms. ties of klehhinsventles to Portage' being delayed. The =lameld an peel* risky isKOMM11611•11 by is s I nman an twonnew, as they were in emendon of the pens met king aII the inermatios, and wend so far have an admale. ewer their eggements. The CHAE=LLOR tithe EXCHEQUER thought it weebl M 1111.114 onviemble that the dissmins should mime an ma all net inn= tak gait in It should be in poseedenef the Shemeeles es welfee die goveremett. Mr. RUKE.—An I nnierelled that the sementee of I apply will positively be mend es Mesday, is reds that I may then bring a raw motion ? Lord PALMIEEWN.—I can mesa sty hon. Mend that the utmost nations an making, and will sestina to be made, to preps, the pot n an I confidently hop they will be in the kris of einthers ea hinder. Mr. BORTHWICIE isgehed whether, if the papers should be is the basket membees on Yesis, , the lait would y ea the glades on the ev of M w dty ~sd ? The CHANCELLOR et the EXCHEQUER replied in the Slimed.... Sir D. L. EVANS thought at least one day should be allowed to memben to peruse the papers ;before the discus sion was brought on. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was askew to meet the wish at the house, and, it it were be would say Thursday or Fri day neat for distendes. (" No, no," and • high) Ha noble hien would date to morrow when the mire would be delivered, and then they ft a fix OM dalr; but he wished it to be, however en that Is did set meta to move the emennittee el frise eta ereneen MEL Owen it weld see le asseenisme that the loess skald be hit in neertaisty votatbar a dlsrsrrMs of al Wan Fent neald be losmildig= kneed la Monday er set. .) the g wenall valu ations, wadi estainly t7;2 1 1 . 1 . 4 /bet is sh ould be al lowed W rued there, milt they were sot delivered before 4'l_2 t hey teloodY Most to M Ortliclently &t -aloa the insmation they contained to enable a so eater eithadventage upon the discussion. (Beet.) better plan would be to wait till to-morrow, and then, when the noble lord stated when the papers would positively be delivered, they might fix a day for bringing oa the maim. (Hear) Hr. HUMS, under these elreanistansee, would wait till tomorrow. PRISONS BILL. Sir G. GRIT, in moving the committal of this bill, stated that this and the Custody of Offenders Bill, which stood next on the list of orders, formed part of one general system ef arrangement ; and he would, therefore, deal with both at the same time. The first bill proposed to constitute a new hoard or management for the three national prisons of Mill bank, Pentonville, and Parkhurst, the constitution of which would be similar to that by which the Pentonrillats: e n was now governed, and composed of men of experience , whose attention had been directed to dm subject of prison discipline; one of the commissioners to be a pia officer, who would be required to give up the whole of hie time to the duty, and who would be in constant Meneetudeittim with the Secretary of State. Under this bead of maseganent would be also platted the hulks, and ell Wow plans of con diments., which, under the 6th of Geo. IV., were gresbe the reception of cowrie!' in this country. this commission would slso devolve the dodos which bad hitherto been discharged by the sorsa'. inteadent of convicts. This new board of meat wculd involve no increase of offices, and no increase in the patronage of the government. The alas under this commission would be mere eubitltutioes he m isting offices, which were to be abolished. The mega 1611 proposed to place Irish convicts nada the same tegalMiess in reference to the transportation act as applied to these of Ragland and Scotland. The second clause of the same DW, gave the power of removing convicts either in Groat Hater ' or Ireland from one prison to another. He believed ammo apprehension existed as to the effect of that elapse. bat by the amendments he proposed to make ° , l Z the mplanations he intmoled to give in ..amities, he beW all objections would be met; if oa t he should below, to attend to any —me that might be alma, mar agree to inch alterations es sort be therattessirep ha seenring the efficient Oa sure. (User, hear.) Having thus dated the of both armares, he woad proceed to deal with dr postai question—the im portant subject of secondary peolasmat e r w ise.) He MS aware of the great important. of OM and also fif the difficulties by which it use someasied. the {m =mskall were aware, but few whir bed not attended i the subject were sensible of the dinculties. (Hear.) Same, like his bon. friend ti the =dabs*, Matron, wen, he believed, disposed to gem saes sagest as ttoogratiody free from difficulty, and, en the palmier that po erallso wee better than cure, sanded rot, by akin ;pep be ILTIKto the people • rood admarks, onemperma semegentent and ot risme weal he era- ' ismoseseary. He athe heretanes at abhor • end, after whet hal cons plose in the dirmar on a prosier occasion, the betas wield mot require Mat to say anything further on that subject. The importance of Po satiAg the people had also been admitted by the house, which kad, by a age majority, affirmed the proposition that it was the duty el the state to promote education by all the means at its diessaL (Cheers.) He, however, was afraid, that whatever mesas they might take to promote education, and prevent crime, prisons would still be near- eery, and that it would still be incumbent on the govern ment, and on parliament, to consider how they could best deal with criminal offenders while suffering under the ✓amie of the law, and the beet means of discipline which mold be applied to them. With the experience of the ham of former schemes, it was impossible to propose a am one without great difficulty, and without feeling that untertainty must attend the experiment, and the great object of the present experiment was to combine the important pelneiple of reformation with that of punishment. (Hear, hear.) Little had been done hitherto towards the future re formation of the prisoner, the great object being—punish ment; all that had been done having been effected by the exertions. the benevolence, and the zeal of private indivi deals, amongst whom he considered himself justified in miming Mrs. Fry and Sarah Martin. (Hear, hear.) At the present moment, however, there existed greater Wildfire then at any former period for embodying that principle in a new system, and the government hoped to do so with effect. The right hon. gentleman having glanced at the general character of transportation, which, although convenient as a means of punishment, materially diminished the responsibility which attached to any government, by removing the criminal, to such a dim tones, submitted, after the experience of successive govern ments, and their ineffectual attempts to carry it out with benefit under different systems, that they could not persist in that endeavour, with a due regard to the reformation of the offenders, or the interests of the colonies to which those I offenders might be sent. (Hear, hear.) He declined to refer to the early history of tran sportation, but quoted the reports of 1837 and 1833, to show that, as a punishment. transpcetation was greatly to be objected to by reason of its inequality under the matgnotent argent ; men being sometimes placed thereby in a better median than when they eteranitted the offences for which they had been transported. Items in fact a system of slavery, which corrupted the ameba without tending to the reformation of the criminals. and possessed one only benefit—that of causing the dispersion of the criminals. (Hear, lo sr.) It was in consequence shortly after discontinued. Other changes were also made. In fact every mocasive Secretary of State, with the best actives, tried separate plans ; the result of which had only been to acessaulate a massif evidence, showing that it would be unwise end impolitic to adhere to any of thews plans. Lord litooloy, altar laying down general principles, in which the home wead_probably be direr& to concur, proposed that them Piano five stems of peoldwaset, all of which PPM lake pies in the colony sod which embraced the proems. But the imential Potent of rope Csrai mill r er: at a mi buadanos or seareley is the colony ; and his of room were founded upon the supposi den get was a sufficiency of capital in that colony— nearly, Yea 's Land. In a despatch of the Under Begeorm, of the Colonial-office to the Treasury, dated 21st of November, 1845, it was dated that it had been represented to Lesintenkp , , upon the highest authority, that the demand I far Isissnrin Van Diemen's Land was such as to exclude any I appeared= that the colony could not provide for any num bee of free labourers. But this assumption turned out to be enesime is peat of fact, as appeared is despatches from the preset aVanDimnsn's Land. The result was a conflict between theessestive t and the legislative council, I and upsolhooppre of the colonial-offices sum of was SOWS tea He eseetquer of this country to ibe Laoad of the colony, created by the large i ' eremet amnia population, for whom the colony had to t Ile misa he the linandel molt of the system then re lid gelielle in Via stew* ay any other that had I ore flaw es any party. Bat the i I l el=l/ M gpelks wes mai mere serious and 1 IllemilaW Lied fiesokg, is hear le as Torawry in Ida, rid be the smemardig Milasese of -the even samgdies MOW ingilled in Yea Blemea's sa tat t i was melt se ad& sr Is oefelemplaMdi idling* the most lively °cams for the results. Mr. Gladder, a kw months alter, raceasel his deliberate opinion in a letter dated May I 13, 1846, to the art that the increase of crime was I sensibly edhatiag the general security, and that the I say rapines isomed to be that which would have the eldest el einlerades every mmelerg are of morality. Sea we. the state of the treelks whom it became the duty i Of die rem* governorse le sansislar it ; and in come of ommuniostiese whisk they found between Mr. 1 Gleddwe mod the •gßht be.. genderan (Sir J. Graham), I they easdkeed it i rs ndispeesabiy seepory to suspend trans- S: as t ia . Van Dram's load he the period of two ears, Nada bland din spa; Os course of f their the quoin, they hid mired additional I riders nom time to - time Ma that saw whisk, o far I Am baths nor to hope rat they sated leemell bans- I te it at the end of toe rem te eesereed 1 Wof the oreselky of brain ip Me etimblielmeent. He would advert to a regime' of this essemilles el the • lair Conseil at New near W l = Japrielt, 1 sad which was mamba la a of the 16th April last, seed whisk aided sommeheir ig teselosay as to the gems at Neagh Lisa orl Vsa nisomo's load. emored Met enogeobass woad be TIF oared, sal they Pia that the puma haling of the 1 eons, wos e xed to it wrier meenleados, and they may raraCia it la the way in which C l ar a . them dedgmled the probation a* Tea Motes's Len se mor demerarang and they ~..ai..l edam with the whoops that were am end as whilisallaiszm and Migrat ilielt. orldeg; and o l e ey regraded OM the Ikea =lffarlia, while be arraWed the lame of lie radios milrnsoma to eliste mi the hope thet mist Ira mad a might be vs of rdoemaiss. preps rep spoke the depret terse are or of the = so = the tins la whisk they raid sweat to racoons% into ais ; pedal perela spine Sae no the hit el Mar peabiEsoi. more Milbg te receive ma w th dikes a Tim and essillisail modem, wba, if soompanied by a carter oveabor d moms, would make a metal addition to the pegaladeo. There was a to the some art in • War et Mr. norm to Lei SliaLy, in whisk le viewed the sager with refereass te the espicta, while the remeiree of the higidair amen earlier it as mend the oda* Look ing le bath foes grass, those was rams, did the ire= wee a z le gi that it ogle to la degerted fear, set Ile a Una but news lo enamels As a osearmatha of be would anode te the hark= the Commiiseas for PestuarMe Prima. The Here, whoa they are of the bet class, Pee mat area with mantissa paler ; sad of the esesati, with nada of or ia re i reterry ne =. bi The th re s em e had , be seed to Yea ti UP, he It esmord al Podder sa onseadasu. aloft awe the air, they received a men with /spa le Norfolk Island with which he weal sat trenthie the here t o it err contained in the papers lahl lame them; bat it wee se appals', that the remit was le maths* the gesmersat tar the ereblisherst them amid be braes pp. la milapalies art dears, Mr. Latgala, the sting elYas Dime's Ld, es Ids Po end sir the elms be la paseeei menial L.a te l = l7 set peare), nark the ships Pile boo ogle masa to N. Lard to hal auk and ordered tber to_ passel le mem pert VssDissea's Lead. Hs Pa el& a= im Seedy esmotia giving those direedese t ra lie therrommartireadast only ewer whotheboldsoplot isMostime was read to be easiest. the ieemrsk etre aside nand the Bee celery for the see afar. It was Impassible to read the poems careisieg the evidence relative to Norfolk lanai irillesetkei ier searissal that that establirmat ahead be broken up. joss.) There wee mar themesat le whisk he w ould raw, what was of a nature, Midi whisk was centered in ptw 44 eta paper of the 14th May. It was a Meet be. fahap Teareenia to Earl Grey, fmwardMg an eddies teem the clergy men of the Wood* Va rheum* to transportation. That letter spehp of the assembling of epeeists It leading teem monsalmloo of unnaturelLiagns emilltai gangs, leading , and heplored that system diertMlie ildneieid. It was signed by ge= men and we& red by letters from several others who had not its who gess their gegess dabs se, but es a eceseerretios lei this Wale Mil the' government. state of the Gale -He now rams lb IYIn al government. It wee that the first part at the =sentencie of transportation should be carried out, not in a eolony, away from the superintendence of the government, but m this country, or so near as that the government might exer cise some supervision, and also free it from the evil of the aggregation et lame masses of convicts. It was not proposed materially to affect the letter pert of the sentence, but that the first part should be re formatory, lei that the system in Pentenville 1 Prison should be acted en with convicts of an age, or under cinumstanom which rendered it capable of being applied to them. The majority of them, on the expiration of this part of their punishment, would be employed in this country, or at Bermuda or Gibraltar, on public works. After that period, those who had not received absolute pardon, would be removed to Australia with tickets of leave and condi tional pardons, upon the plan recommended in the report of the legislative council of New South Wales. The principle of the measure was, that part of the penal sentence should be passed in this country or at Bermuda er Gibraltar, and on the convicts' arrival in the colony they should be free there within certain limits, and with tickets of leave, and if their conduct deserved it they would receive conditioael pardon, and thus by their dispersion, the evils of aggress tion would be prevented. In answer to a question put to Mot to-night by the hon. member for Dumfries, as to whether it was the intention of the government to resume transporta tion to Van Diemen's Land, he could reply, that in the Man ner in which it had hitherto been carried on it was not the intention of the government to do so, or to permit that "ye tem to continue in New South Wales or Van Diemen's Land, which had been denounced in the report of the legislative council. The principle on which the government was about to act was not new, for it had been recommended by the committee which coasidered the subject of transportation, and previously to that by the committee on secondary punishments, which sat in 1832. (Hear hear.) The opinions and predictions of those committees of the impossibility of the experiment sueceeding, had bees verified by the results of the system. They alluded to the inadequacy of the Penitentiary at that time to contain the prisoners for the infliction of the first part of their punish ment. But at prevent the facilities were greater. The prison at Peritoneale had been built since, and was opened in 1802 for the reception of 500 prisoners. The prison at Perth bad also been built, and at present arrangements were in progress for buil:ling a similar prison in Ireland. In the different counties, improvements had been mad* in the prisons, many of them being conducted on the model of that at Bentonville. They hid now had actual experience of the working of the prison at Pentonville. The hon. member for Montrose seemed, the other night, to have some doubts of the results, bat he (Sir G. Grey) could my that so far as it had gone, they were most satisfactory. It was important to know what was the conduct of prisoners after they arrived at their destinations. The evidence was smell, fur the time had been short in which there was any experi ence of their conduct. In the last Report of the Commis- Seinen of Pentonville Prison, there was a statement of the effect of the discipline on the prisoners, and reviewing these different report', it stated that in the last four years there was a great moral end religious improvement, and they had no hesitation in saying that the result was satisfactory. The system of separate confinement had produced a salutary change in the conduct of the prisoners. They said that the separation of prisoners should be the hauls of all improvement, and they were still of the same opinion as to the moral advantages to be derived from the system, and they bore testimony to its results, which were unparalleled in the history of prison discipline. The ranker their entire experience was that the separation of prisoners must be the basis of all reformatory discipline. It was at the same time indispensable to secure constant end vigilant medial attendance, and to have such a modification of the solitary system as could be obtained by such employ. meat as would interest the mind and cecupy the time of the prisoners, accompanied by regular exercise. Such was the deliberate opinion of the comnurdoners of Pentonville prison, signed, among others, by the medical commissioners Sr B. Brodie and Biz IL Ferguson. He regretted that those continua ware unable to continue members of the eoeueission, and he trusted that their &aria niece would be made occasionally available. In their letter of resignation, they mid that, on the whole, they had been led to the conclusion that the separate system, if carefully watched and aocompanied with attention to diet and venti lation, was an instrument of great good; and, whatever were its imperfections, they were nothing compared to the association of criminals of different degrees of guilt, but it required careful supervision, especially by the chap lains and medical attenuants. In a former part of this report, allusion was made to the desire to receive exiles from Pentonville prison at Port Philip, and of there being no difficulty in finding employment for them. It was stated that their conduct was excellent, their habits regu lar, and free from that intemperance which usually characterised the other convicts ; that the best class of men in the colony were to be bad from the Pentonville exiles superior to most of the emigrants, and they seldom committed crimes. In his recent despatches Mr. Latrobe in announcing the arrival of a ship with these con victs, said, that close and watchful attention should be given to their future conduct; and that he would report what that conduct was. Into the question of separate confinement, as distinct from the 'dart system, he would not enter, is its details were well understood; but he would call attention to a report preowned by H. de Stranger to the chamber of peers in Franco on the sySem of imprisonment in which he described the systems of confinement as pursued in America, in this country at Pentonville, and in other coun tries, and as regarded both refirmation and punishment, he gave a positive recommendation that thatsystem should be the basis of that to be adopted hereafter in France. There might I be cases in which the system was not applicable; but it might be true of every system of transportation, that it was inap plicable to some persons. He had received a letter lately from one of the judges, who had been compelled to sentence to transportation a man between 70 and 80 years old, who was quite unfit for it, and he wished to know how he was to be disposed of. But, with regard to the great mass elan. mina!" sentenced to transportation, than was mama enough to show that they might be subjected to modified in the manner recommended by the Considerable alarm had been excited with reopen to this expenses to which counties would be exposed SS INOSultt of the custody of offenders; but that alarm wee esemitemery, es, in substance, he was prepared to agree to the saggethea made by the hon. member for Berkshire on a former evening, by which the expense of maintaining prisoners of the class referred to, namely those sentenced to transportation, but detained in the county gaols of the country, should be borne— not by the counties, but by the government. In anticipation of these bills passing into law, arrangements with this view bad been effected with the visiting justices of the Wakefield prison, in which two new wings could at once be made available for the purposes at carrying out the new system, mail solantosiontissis wessi a ammeas with the magistrates of Darkshire he the nes meta el the now gaol at in a similar ammr. these emangemants, lir t in le 1 some the law" thrit en the pen of the peen s.tere rinds dimethisa to eke land lasptmp Ida the jos tles, bat that the tarns shay be *eel ipaa kir and equitable principles. He tins maw to the ..sad stags of the poakhomat of perm s :Zee& to trampartation— that s a f s =zhoj tiona imam government works in the bone, or thin to Bermuda or Gibraltar to mantrust bubo= of selege or fortifications. His views M this plat wore flay math known to the public by the War be bad addremel Is bis noble friend the Colonial Se cretary. He thaw thinned& be a necessity, in ardor to • tarty the pia into emiondis. fir hoping an increased nom bra of consists ea board the MON at home. H. did not see the ban. mamba , for Timber, (Mr. T. Duneombe) in his =what still he mint thorn, that whin the hon. somber breath isms time slam his notion on the subject den lathemsat of esavins at Washoisk, ha (Sir O. Grey) bad meowed lie baby m Is the swiregy of the staisnomes meth. However ,_ an inquity bad been ia =at wash the than epprtunity bed both to the boa. umber to sabstantiat• his cian. It was rely_yonarday that he (Sir G. Grey) bad received the smart dantheia Williams, before whom the invade fns the oondasink and es yet be had mot had tines le wine I. H• holimad, however, tint whitest thawing thythems Is the gym ,st Wosithehomple grathe - had bens arra hr the ima and b p i tionsithe thisibt that the thesis et Ise thugs thiesemley. we the Is the both morkens In bar ing lath& the widen te am s nidaratia at o prils. of 01.1oha would his Irttafirm r ar ra seeises sunlination, with a ,few to the of ea hopevad spasm at the belt, end tithe ft alibth istithalny MEM eflanybog out the semi etzt the peeped pith (Hem, item) With the sans the beam hal eamliened a vote et 26,0001. hit the arsalisa of sesvi" beenths at Portland for the Temp lies of semi* to la employed on the works ialeadad to be asmammod them, and from a ccarespeedleres with Colusisi Jobb, he horned that parties were reedy to alga sentnara for the ineation of removable bunch' to ' asionmeadats 300 °myths, te be lodged at Portland daring the pewees at the pseament banding, so that no delay 1 WOUN b. essrissull la *AR mirth He (Sit 0. Om) baa been mini bow hog the Iritht of emp loying _ , coed an public wads was 11l 01•11•10. Hit was, that this would very amerling to the anotenes passed mesa the elks den, whinthe liar 7, 10, or 16 yam' lthamenalkth sr he life. The redastisa of the period would be mss ereled by the mail end initheleus m 'duon of the mann btheall to third s uolle w ndens of Caplan Manamith. • OM to sera yeas Andind his E la. 81 , IMe aaniathall limealf wail, et the midi of thee man mthisheif s If ametheld to Ma Math at the and of &Mren on. K.BEI : And what is the practice with regard to m onth Iffiampartad for life , Ile Q. mom aid the rule, as laid down by Lord Stanley ad Me. Obiaisse. bosh of whom declared in distinct tarots that a men smilensel was net to be treated en a movie* for life, was the twonlyanor yeass wee to be him astir maxi mum dais Wm af leensperialisa he life, awl, of aurae, the slabs= elan ratan yes twelve years. A portion ' of the sandage tithe coeds" ef which an amount would be Ze ate. w ould Is at link disposal, with a view to assist in the ' to them of their wino and families. It bee stated bil e . d as i tl uest. Drounitam, in a pamphlet he had to Lord that the offset of this plan would be to drive all ermine at Meglaith over to France. Of tM I however, a meat debate in lin !mask Chamber, in whirl the speech of the aside wad learned lord in another plan bad been fully die—d, thorned that the French govern. meat entertained no alms an this 'abject. He had now generally stated the plane/flag s government. He was aware that it might be open te , but he trusted that Vr is Oahe* ben. vs fisis soilams* diey would consider well the MIS of theramethwy iaiimmenon which was on the table, k iii6k Mandal quaint* them to The be+ THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EUNING, JUNE 4, ISA?. sad by preperel to offer some plan of their own by which the staid( dm oats system would be removed. He was sure k piths goissat wish to effect an improvement in the "Mei of prima discipline, and he trusted the efforts now swede to achieve that most desirable and important object willd be more efeetnal than any that had heretofore been awls. Meer, bear.) Loni MAIION aid he should deeply condemn himself, if he ',prose-hod the discussion of this great question with any feelings of party spite or political hostility. On the contrary it Abided hiat the highest plessure to offer his tribute of prime of and rupees for the great ability with which the tilt has. barest egpeeite (Bir G. Grey) had discussed the wrier is his spew* to-night, and in his letter addressed on **Mit January, to his noble colleague Earl Grey. There wee, however, some points of the plan to which he had serious objections. In the first place he thought the comma. tstt:n of sentence ought to be left with the crown, without the interveniion of ejecta( parL.".ntent; sad most he objected to any arrangement by which a sentence of transportation should nominally be pronounced in a public court, when it never was intended to be carried into effect. (Hear.) All remembered the 11l effect produced, some years ego, by passing capital sentences which were never designed to be szecuted. It was, in fact, treating the courts with disrespect to call on them to peas a sentence which they knew the gove rn ment would not permit to he carried out. He was aipowd to think very favourably of the proposed preliminary confinement on the separate system, for periods varying from ix to eighteen months; but he doubted whether that system bad yet had a sufficient trial to warrant its being generally introduced and acted on. The reports of the inspectors, with regard to its operation at Pentonville, were not ab solutely to its favour; it was by no means clear that it might not tend to produce imbecility or insanity. As to the existing prison accommodation, a recent return showed that that accommodation was extremely limited. The right had quoted two favourable places Woke- hon. gentleman had quote. field and Reading; but intim majority of placis, the magis trates were complaining of want of prison room. Sir G. GREY said that Col. Jebb had reported that ac commodation might be found in the different county gaols for 1,000 convicts, in addition to 500 in Pentland Island. Lord MAHON end he must bow to so high en authority as that of Colonel Jebb ; but he knew that in Scotland, so far front there being a sufficiency of accommodation, them was a want of 800 cells. But if there was only accommoda tion in the existing gaols for 1,000 convicts, how could 5,000 or 6,000 be provided for ? Another effect would be to in crease the number of prisoners in the hulks, in opposition to the expressed opinion of this house. It was proposed, also, that a system of public works should be established, which he conceived would be similar to the system of bander in France, so much deprecated by the statesmen of that country, and the effects of which were so injuriously felt by the inhabitants in the neighbourhood of Toulon and Mete. There, the competition of this forced labour with the free labour of honest operatives was an important consideration ; and after so much had been said about the low wages of la bourers in Dorsetshire, the inhabitants of that eountymight well object to the establishment of this system. He had recently conversed on this subject with the Bishop of Tas mania, whose experience in Van Diemen's Land entitled his opinion to great weight. The right reverend prelate thought that the system of public works at Pentland Island, would entirely neutralise the effect of the separate confinement which ought to have come second, end the public works first. The third feature of the plan was that, at the expira tion of their term in the public works, the prisoners were to be sent abroad to our Australian colonies. This was a dif ferent proposal from the one which the right hon. gentle man had made in his letter to Earl Grey of the 20th January, wherein he condemned the project of making large deportations of prisoners to Australia, as tending to perpetuate the same state of Ithings which now existed there. lie did not complain of the right hon. gentle man having altered his scheme ; he thought the alteration an improvement—(hear, hear)—but it was desirable that' the house should have had some intimation of the change intended to be made. He gladly accepted the alteration as removing many of the objections he had entertained to the original plan. It was most desirable that the state should decide early on the colony to which the convicts were to be sent. But it was a most important question, how fur the existing salutary fear of transportation was likely to be diminished by the alterations now proposed ? Every one knew that thus fear operated most effectually as a preventive of crime : many instances of this were given by the Rev. John Clay, in his reports of the state of the Preston house of correction. It had been declared by high autho rities in another place, Lord Ashburton and Lord Den man, that the abolition of transportation would go far to ex tinguiah this salutary terror. A committee of the other house had sat on this subject, but their report had not yet appeared. He understood that the opinion of a great number of gaolers and chaplains of gaols had been sought on this ques tion ; and they were uniformly of opinion that the alteration would be most injurious. Ile regretted that Earl Grey should have made this important alteration before these opinions were obtained. The right hon. baronet had ac knowledged that the system proposed was by no means free from difficulties and objections ; but he had referred to the greater objections incident to the existing system of transportation. But though this system might have been abused, must it neces sarily be abolished r Was there no possibility of its being modified and reformed? Might not transportation, under a new form of discipline, be made instrumental to the reforma tion of the convict and the benefit of the colony ? Sir Jehn Franklin, whom the right hon. baronet had quoted on the evils of the existing system, had declared, in his despatch of January, 1839, when Governor of Van Diemen's Lend, that reformatory discipline could only be successfully conducted in a new country where tabour was valuable; he therefore thought the continuance of transportation necessary. It was true. in a subsequent despatch, in 1842, he had expressed an opinion unfavourable to the system ; but subsequently, in a osaversation with him (Lord Mahon), he had declared his sdherence to his opinion of 1839. Toe Rev. Mr. Fry, in a Later from Austra lia , in August, 1846, said that he regarded transportation as a blearing to the country. But, it might be asked, if transportation cos an advantage to both the aonvicts and the colony, why were such loud complaints beard against it ? The noble lord considered that much evil bad arisen from the inadequate payment of the functionaries in penal colonies. A salary that might be fully sufficient in • colony free from a convict population, was not enough for the officers entrusted with the painful and onerous cares of superintendence in penal colonies. He did not regard the experiment of transportation as having been at all fairly tried. No doubt great evils resulted in our convict colonies from the disproportionate numbers of the sexes, but he thought this evil might be materially modified by • judicious application of emigration. (Hear, hear.) He did not blame Lord Grey for the proceeding he had adopted with reference to Norfolk Island, but he entirely objected to the noble lord's policy in North Aus tralia. He felt it to be not the least blessing accorded us by Providence, that our vast colonies in remote quarters of the globe afforded us a means of giving reformation to our cri minal population ; and he deeply regretted that from the want of judicious management this blessing had not fruc tified as it might have done. He would not divide the house on the question, but he would protest, and he hoped other gentlemen would protest with him, against a proposition which he believed fraught with ruin and national disaster. Sir W. MOLES WORTH said that there were two ques tions for the house to consider in reference to this subject— whether transportation shoald be continued; and mead, if it were abolished what system of punishment should be introduced as its substitute. The noble lord who had just sat down had argued for its continuance, and contended that it could be made a good and proper punishment. The noble lord complained that the penal colony contemplated by Lord Stanley had been abandoned by his padaissar. He (Sir W. Moles worth) undertook to show that transportation was altogether a bad system, whether prostieed as the assign meet prindpie, or ea the probation and meal system of Noefolk Island. He believed, farther, that no legislation imudd make it a good system, and that every attempt to Improve it must end in total failure. For these reasons, he =that Bari Grey had acted wisely in refusing to the system of penal colonies, and is adopting • sperm of punishment, which, although in some »- spa objectionable, was yet mars in coneenimae with the tidings of the English people. The ease. Edam of inquiry, which sat in 1837, had collected moil information on this subject. The report of Mee oematittee, whisk was unanimously adopted, MOM amlsol dr sherismeee of the assigathest symem. It had bees tried dot the galenists themselves were anxious for the verreblidemat of that system. He would ask how • _ _ . _ _ ens that smarties borne out bj the hem? Last year, Mr. Mann directed Capt. Fitzroy to get th e opinion of the Wed* on them*et. The latter gentleman referred the Mint to the colonial legislator*, a select committee was ap petaled, and a report ens seat in. In addition to this, the I=lireceived nonorisis, dined by 9,000 colonists. report and nanseisle answered in deprecating the =ll /be bract having read lengthy extracts .be rant stain osisedel lIMMIW in support of this dew st , the essestiew preneded to say, that if the First Lord of tits Treasury had remained use First as Colonial lisentszy, he would have eels eel the transperMiles swami within very narrow links, but that midertamately Len Stanley succeeded him sod neatly inereani die number of convicts. (Hear, hear.) Theineble load hid enablined what was eallei the proba ton splems. under whisk convicts wen Int gent to Worts& Wend, sal sabstensally Isenelliered to Van Dieemm's Lassa. That roam had been proved to be one which USW Null b rads a good system In order that the enema *sad week IPA sa cadent super. inteadence was n eel • snielsst 4111MINd for labour. Both Lord Stanley and . Oniassme are of Opinion that than was no sonsfainay enines apes either point. On the eeateary, cad the esss tiny "esidend proved the penal ednin to be la a mot dinissdisd data, and the labour nadisi to be esrenissioni. Aldtangla, therefore, the noble lad eppedie had Nana the penirnment for abolishing to Van I:llnanes Land, he (Sir W. Moles. t r t a =r 6l =y hoped it would never be revived. Next with reopen to Norfolk Island. Three systems had been tried there—the cruel system, the indulgence system, and the lax system. Under the first, frequent mutinies had occurred among the convicts. The indulgence Britain, on the other hand might nattily have suc ceeded, had it been differently carried out, but under Captain Maconeehle it was nearly sore to fail. The indulgence system was serried to an extreme. It was a fact that on one occasion the prisoners were regaled with • dinner and the representation of a play in the evening. Captain Gipps, who visited the Wand, reported favourably of the good order ng the convicts under this system ; but he reported that gambling was prevalent and that vice was raging. Under the lax system, on the other hand, Norfolk Island was • very hell upon earth. The accounts given of the colony at this time were absolutely horrible. An attempt was made to change the system, and the consequence was a general uproar, in which stores were broken open and the police violently attacked. These were the consequence, which attended any system of transportation. He had warned the house against that system some years ago. He had objected to it on the ground that no control over its administration could be exercised by this country. He held that Lied Stanley was as guilty of negligence ea Sir B. Wilmot, end was as deserving of disminal. He charged Lott Meeley with nrgleet, in having appointed unfit and leteoMpellent officers in the Colonim—lie salaried him with die egesegelecet of that neglect which had been the cisme era able of Meg, bleeihis an d disgusting, that to *Weep them IMINNIMUIMI beet the fate of the earth walla be • meta: of rejoicing rather than of regret. The queellea wet, if transportation was abolished, what Shedd le the substitute ? Having given the subject his beet egoideratieo, he was prepared to agree that imptielasiese en the separate system was the least ohjessistabk secondary punishment. By the separate system lee event that the offender should be kept apart and not remitted to associate with others ; that he should be Oradea regularly by persons whose duty it should be to afford blea religious and moral instruction; and that he should be induced, not compelled, to work. Two grounds of objection bad been made to that system. The one was that it was too expensive; but he contended that it was much better to have a system which was expensive and effectual, then one which out com paratively little, but was ineffectual. The other objection was that it was injurious to the health, and tended to impair the mental energy of the prisoner. No doubt the sudden transition, from active, and fretintercourse with the world to confinement and total seclusion, would is some de gree act prejudicially upon both mind and body, but the sepa rate system was not more injurious in this respect than other systems of secondary punishment. The mortality amongst convicts was generally higher than amongst the rest of the population, and if in some instances separate confinement impoired the mental energies, it must be remem bered that every other system which had yet been tried, tended to degrade and demoralise the mind. This objection, which be admitted to exist, might, however, be obviated in a great measure by care and watchfulness on the part of the governors and medical officers of the prison. He understood the government now proposed to adopt the separate system to a certain extent; that was that the prisoner should be subjected to it for a period, after which he should be employed on public works, SO as to bring him gradually back to intercourse with man kind. He (Sir W. olesworth) doubted the wisdom of that arrangement. Then the question arose, what was to become of the liberated offender after he had undergone his punish ment? The difficulty of obtaining employment by liberated criminals was BO great, that they were often forced back into crime as the only means of existence. The Archbishop of Dublin had propesed that liberated offenders should be furnished with the means to emigrate to colonies where they could obtain employ ment. This plan the government had, to a certain extent adopted; but then they made the emigration essmpul sory instead of voluntary t and the more he considered this alteration of the archbishop's plan, the more objectionable it appeared to be. If emigration were made compulsoi7, many of the colonies would be extremely unwilling to receive con- vide, especially those of North America. According to the report of the legislative council of New South Wales, the inhabitants of that colony were very reluctant to admit a:m elds, except on conditions which would be meet burdensome to this country. Besides, the penal colonies were the very worst places to which offenders could be sent, because there the standard of immorality was at the lowest point, and the criminal would have little chance of reforming. On the other hand, if the emigration was voluntary, the liberated offenders who would chiefly emigrate, would be such as had reformed; those who re fined would he the unreclaimed and the irreclaimable. It appeared to him that the legislature ought not to shovel out criminals to the colonies (bear, hear) ; merely altering the location of crime. The ri ght boo, baronet now proposed not only that liberated offenders should be compelled to emigrate, but that when they arrived in the colonies they should be treated as if they were convict*, being marked out from the rest of the:inliabitanl by the appellation of "ticket of leave-men." (Hear, hear. In order to provide against probable evils, it was propose to send out a great number of free emigrants with the convicts. He w mid ask whether the proportion of the sexes was to be equal ? and whether it was likely that free ;emigrants, and especially women, would consent to r out as the companions of convicts ? When, in the colonies, the ticket-of-leave men, if kept by themselves would constitute a plague spot, and on the other hand, if dispersed, no controul could be eaercieed over them. As regarded New South Wales, he would remind the house that when Mr. Gladstone eonsulted the Governor last year, with a view to renewing transportation, he was told that the colonists would only commit to it on conditions exceedingly burdensome to this country; and he would take it upon himself to snort, that their oppoeitioa was undiminished. In conclusion, he would say, that he felt it his duty to support the government measure in so far as it tended to abolish transportion, and to introduce abet ter system of punishment, but to oppose it so far as respected that portion of it which continued trans portation. (Hear ) Mr. BANHES could not assent to the further progreu of thus bills. He thought it inexpedient, on constitutional grounds, that the royal authority should be exercised in any other than a direct manner. The bills themselves were much more extensive than their titles would indicate—their operation would extend to every gaol ut the kingdom. The creation of patronage under the bill was surprising in extent; and he viewed with jealousy the poasestion ef pa tronage by a party wliieh cut down offices when in opposition, and 111 office suede appointments pre tending that it was only filling up TlClllCille. The chief commissioner, whose salary of 8001. a year he considered too low, if there must be each an omeer, had the power at his pleasure of dismissing even the gaolers who were appointed by the magistrates—(" No.")—suNeet, cer tainly, to the 'auction of the commissioners of the Treasury ; but still he had the power. Much had been said about hu manity to tke criminal, but they should also consider those who suffered from crime, and whom it was their duty to protect. If the government had seriously made up their minds to so essential an alteration in the nature of criminal punishment they ought to have brought forward a bill more specifically declaring their intention. Admitting that the present state of transportation required immediate amend ment, he did not however think they ought to be called on to pass such a plan as that proposed by the government. Mr. BWART moved the adjournment of the debate. In answer to a question by Mr. 6. W. Hope, Sir 0. GREY said that convicts on their arrival in the colonies would be in the same position as if they had tickets of leave. The debate we then adjourned till to-morrow (this day). The house then adjourned at a quarter before one o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL. Dinstox tx Covina in favour of the clause inflicting the punish meat of " private whipping." Ayes, au ; Noel 7. .TD. Adderiey, C. B. Drumeond,H.TilOdysrd, T. B.T. Serope, G. P. &nag T. Daman, G. K. A. Id. E.M. Sir J. B. Ingle Si Nedpoo, rR. H. BoraersißASßW. Betsey, Hon.C. Spartan, W. T. Joule Air J. Spore's, B. Bodkin, W. H. Patatert, T. G. Beds, Al, W.G. Stanton. W. H. Bowes Adm. Forbes. W. Igaban, J. H. Trevor, H. G.B. l ett i , 7 4 l . EL H. p. Pnaaj n im =, Verner, H. W. azt4NPalle, A. E. C. W. Vivian, J. H. . Grey, Sir G. Nassim, J. H. Waddegtou,ll.S. ,ECA. Hamilton, G. A. llanly, LH. ISti b t i ,V t l. H. Harcourt, 0. 0. Per, L MAIM =IL C. Harris, Ha. Capt. Mak B. Pekinese, Sir J. P. H. ileathoote, Sir Wandleism, Dusdale, W. S. Di.." 4 F. Hearses, G. H. Ilesloo, Visit. NSW. bathe, P.S. Worry D. Winn; J. T. Carte* H. B. Mammy, J. S. Williams, W. W•kley T. Flaldea, J. Scott, b. 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LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 4. IN the Rouse of Lords, yesterday, the Clergy Offences Bill was, on the motion of the Bishop of LONDON, referred to the consideration of a select committee.—On the motion of Lord Camrsara. five bills, relative to the holding of landed property in Scotland, were read a second time ; as was also the Poor Law Removal (England and Scotland) Bill. 1 The Poor Relief Supervision (Ireland) Bill also, after some discussion, was read a second time ; and th Commons Amendments upon the Lords Amendments to the Poor Relief (Ireland), and the Landed Property (Ireland) Bills, after an explanatory speech from Lord MONTEAGLE, were agreed to.—On the motion of the Marquis of Lsarsnowst, a select committee was appointed to consider whether it is expedient that any measures should be adopted for suspending further proceedings in all or any of the railroad bills in the present session, and for enabling the parties, under certain conditions, to proceed with the same in a future session of parliament ; and also, whether it is advisable that any further provisions should bi made in the standing orders of the house relative to bills for the construction of railroads. In the House of Commons, on the question that the report on the Thames Conservancy Bill be further considered, Mr. Ht'ME moved its recommittal, wi t h the view of considering the propriety of altering the constitution of the proposed Board of Conservancy, viz.: that Instead of nineteen members, consisting of aldermen and common councilmen, it should be cow. posed of twelve members only, thus selected—three aldermen, five members of the Common Coun cil, and four gentlemen immediately connected with the shipping and commercial interests. Alt er a debate, the motion for the recommittal of the bill was carried on a division by a majority of 6, the numbers being 71 to 65.—gir G. GRES, in an elaborate speech illustrative of the evils conse quent upon the past system of transportation, and the good results arising from the reformatory principle more recently , adopted, moved the committal of the Prisons and Custody of Offenders Bills. The other speakers were Lord MAnoN, Sir W. MOLESWORTR, and Mr. BANKES, after which the debate, on the motion of Mr. Ewsav, stood adjourned until this day. ArrEn a period of scarcity far beyond anything of the sort which has occurred in Europe since 1816-7, and a severe and lengthened winter, which has gone far to realise the rigour of more northern climes, we have the most genial weather and a prospect of more than ordinary abundance. Never was vegetation more vigorous in the south of England, at all events, than at this moment. And the prospect of abundance seems to be universal. It is not now as it is in some years, that the good promise of one kind of crop in some measure consoles the husbandman, ay, and the consumer,—for the sickliness and doubt which hang over other crops. All crops arc alike full of promise and hope. Grass, pulse, roots, lent-cora and wheat, all have flourished during the last thirty days with a luxuriance almost unexampled in this country ; and so far as we can ascertain, certainly so far as we have been able to observe, there is every reason to believe that the potato-crop shows no signs of the blight by which for the last two years it has been devastated; and this view is fully confirmed by the state of the corn market, where prices have been regularly and somewhat rapidly de clining since the fine weather has become confirmed. And this decline in prices we hope and believe will go on, and not the lees so, because the journals most connected with the corn trade cry out there must soon be a reaction. Thus the Mark Lane Express, always the prophet of higher prices, says., "at first the bene ficial change which took place in the weather pro duced little or no effect, but the wonderful improve ment which was gradually being worked in the grow ing crops, soon began to operate, and in districts where scarcely any corn was before supposed to be left the aapplies increased, at the game time arrivals from the Baltic began to drop in ; whilst buyers con tracted their operations in proportion as sellers mani fested anxiety to realise, until business has come to a complete stand ;" and if by "business" he understood speculation for higher prices, we believe the corm trade reviewer to be perfectly correct ; but does con sumption stand still? For weeks and, weeks the same authority has told us that millers and dealers were baying only from hand to mouth, that their stocks had been completely exhausted, and that they bought no more from day to day than was absolutely necessary to supply the daily demand of their cus tomers, the consumers. It is plain, then, that the late fall in the price of grain is the legitimate consequence of prospective abundance, which has mitigated alarm for the future, and is drawing forth the hoarded docks of those persons who, in striving to kold on till they get the very top price, usually fall oil the other aide, and get marsh less than their more provi dent fellows, who are content with a good price, Ihstark it may not prove to have been the very The corn-trade reviewer afterwards says :—" The chief, if not the only, alteration in oar favour appears to us to be, that the harvest, which threatened to - be a late one, may now be reasonably calculated to commence as early as in average years ; whilst there is nothing about the aspect of the crops to pire rise to any fear as to the probable yield." This is misstating the case ; and, as we shall presently see, for a reason. Not merely is there no fear for the yield of the growing crops, but we say, upon the authority of farmers whose experience goes back to a much earlier date than our own, that there was never greater promise of exuberant abundgnco than now. Of course, it is possible that the weather may change, and the present promise may not be entirely fulfilled; but the most critical period for the crops of this country has bees passed, and well paned. Heat and moisture have combined I to cover the ground with luxuriant leaf and flag, by which the land has become shaded, and the requisite moisture secured for carrying on the growth of the plants. Perhaps the worst change in the weather we could experience would be toe much rain, which might pos sibly make the grain crops run too much to straw. Of that, however, there appears, from the general cha racter of the season, to be but little danger, and therefore we do not hesitate to say that the present prospect of our crepe justifies the fall in prices which has already occurred in the grain market, and leads to the fair expectation of a yet further and speedy fall. We do not share in the apprehension expressed by the corn trade re viewer in the following passage : " There is some danger that the fall may continue too long. We say danger, for in that case the demand from foreign countries would probably revive ; and if prices here were to recede below the level of the continental countries . where . scarcity prevails, a portion of the supply originally intended for Great Britain would be sure to be diverted from us to those states; which might prove a serious inconvenience in case anything untoward should Guar to reader the harvest less favourable than is aow expected." Now it is difficult to avoid the notion that some little sympathetic feeling for the speculators on high prices, the large holders of high-priced grain, may have suggested the contingency apprehended by the reviewer. As yet, however, continental prices have not needed with the same rapidity tie oar own • but then it must be remembered est • bar; lately risen here in a mach greater pro titan abroad. The corn circulars state that 11111611.7 last, at Mark-lane, "to succeed is effect ill ales of wheat), it was necessary to submit to a declined 12's. per quarter on the currency of this day wok, ma kin g the entire fall from the highest point about 20e. per quarter." We may thus antici pate the return of moderate prices as soon as the pre sent growing crops have been secured, and with mo derate prices the revival of our trade, domestic and foreign. But there are two questions, which with the return of moderate prices will require the watch ful attention of the public. The first will be the corn-laws. A strenuous' effort is likely to be made by the protectionist landocracy to perpetuate the four shilling duty established by Sir ROBERT PEEL'S corn-law, as a minimum, until February, 1849. They . say little upon the subject at mmt, for, with famine staring the nation ui the line, even the ignorant hardihood of a Lord GEORGE BENTINCS would scarcely venture on such a proposi tion. Bat we have reason to believe, that though the monster istmopol sleeps, it is not dead, at all events, in the of the landed politicians who would again snidest the nation to an artificial scarcity for their own mash ends. On this point the people, especially the eissliesr should be on their guard. In truth it would be at devisable that the present total suspeadola at the ills as Imparted COM should be made the abesiale esOlaslisa of such duties. Fir the grilda hailds eountry that course would be • y beasesial, se they would then be free at once and for ever hem all the mystifications, delu sions, and erroneous calculations, which have grown out of the corn-laws. The second question to which we refer is that which has been designated " free trade in land;" meaning the use of land commercially, and the freeing it from the feudal trammels by which it is now encumbered. This involves all such ques tions as tenant right, leases, restriction of the law of