The Express. — London, England, 1851-03-15 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 15, 1851. Sir R. INGLIS thought it woald be desirable that the noble lord should let the hou-e understand when he in tended to proceed with the contemplated measure rewarding the disalilities of the Jews. Lord J. RUSSELL—I have already postponed my mo- tion until Tuesday; and, of course, I will take the earliest notice-day for bringing it on in the order in which it stands. Mr. MtkOltE de,cribed Lord J. Russell as eager to dis- pose of business requiring consideration, and a"artly with that which should be done with speed. If government , meant to persevere with the Aggmaion Bill, he should consider no course of oppositiou ill.timed,hosrever factious. Mr. F. O'CONNOR thought that the government had acted creditably, a serious charge being made again.t them. in proposing to postpone the financial business until the di-cum/on on that charge wan over. Lord J. RUSSELL —lt is necessary that I should explain. What I did state was, that on Friday the 21st my right hon. friend would propose any alterations he has to make in the financial arrangements of the year ; that I should then proceed with the army estimates; and that on Monday, the 24th, we should proceed with the question as to the conti nuance of the income tax. The right hon. gentleman the member for Stamford (Mr. 'terries) has given notice with respect to the income tux ; and as on Tuesday. the 25th, a vote of censure on us is to b.• proposed, I thought it for the convenience of the house, even more than for that of the government, that we should not take the discussion oa the income tax the very day before the discussion on a vote of censure. (Ilea:, hear.) I have therehwe proposed that the financial arrangements should be delayed until after the 25th. Mr. W. WILLIAMS was of opinion that the public business could never proceed properly until they did away with that regulation which required forty nwinbers to coat- 1 stitute a house. (Loud laughter.) Fur instaneehe had had fixed for yesterday (Thursday) a most important motion— (great laughter)—important because it referred to a matter in which 7,000,0001. of the public money was involved; and in con•equenee of there being " nn house" he had been unable to bring it on. (Continued laughter.) Ile would take the opportunity of going into committee of supply to enter upon the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. might be permitted to say, a. the hon. member (Mr. Williams) had referred to the matter, that the money which he had stated, in the terms of the motion he hail had on the paper, was expended without the authority of parlia-cent, was, in great part, expended in conformity with distinct acts of par liament ; and as to the rest of it, in strict conformity with old constitutional principle., dating from the very first vote of supply by parliament. (near, hear.) As to the "no house," he would say that he (Sir C. Wood) had been greatly disappointed that there had not been an opportunity of a discussion. Mr. T. DUNCO'aIIIE wanted to know upon whom do. prove they were not illegal at cosmos.. lie (lbK Earl of Arundel) submitted, however, that the present bill did nut affat these bulls at till, but only the titles—it only afr.rted what was left legal by the bill of 1839. (Hear, hear.) It wa, a retrospective bill for things lawfully done. Ile admitted that the reason of the noble lord for not legislating on the subject of bulls was perfectly just, and with regard to an infringement on international law, , the way to receive it was by negociatiou, and not by passing a bill in this country. (Irene, hear.) There had been a great deal said with regard to the pastoral letter of Cardinal Wiseman. That pastoral lion. members should recolleet was addressed to Roman catholics only, and it was natural to call on the Roman catholics to rejoice. It was a matter of congratulation fur them that the hierarchy had been estabashial, although protestanta might not envy their joy. Sumo expressions in that pastoral had not been regarded as they ought to have been. The form of • government" assumed was spiritual authority, although by the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) it had been denouuced in an as,uraption of territorial authority. The use ut the word "govern" was quito a consistent one. It was quite a natural expression, and was used by other bashes of religionists besides Roman catholics. The govern ment spoken of both in the pastoral of Cardinal Wiseman and in the rescript of the Pope, was entirely of a spiritual character. What, he would ask, was the difference to parties out .if their faith whether the Roman catholics were under bishops or vicars aptolical ? They would never have known the difference but for the disturbances lately created. (near, hear.) They should have gone on, and it would have Wetted no one. 1 he catholic, had no legal force, no power, no money, no temitoralities, nothing. It hail bean said by the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) that the church claimed jurisdiction over every baptised person. So she did ; but had she the power to enforce it ? Rad not the same claim been put forth by the vicars apostolieal, and did not every priest put forth the same claim if there were no other priest in the district ? The noble mealier then alluded to the fact that a large number of peers, baronets, priests, and other influential parties had 6:krned addresses of thanks to Cardinal Wiseman for having ob tained the hierarchy ; which proved that it was dedred on behalf of the Roman catholic body. Ile proceeded to ask chat would be the effects of legislation on the subject. One result would be evasion, and was it right fur statesmen in that house to . a law which might lie evaded. lie (the Earl of • el) had seen in Ireland the evil of a conscien . -nit question. (Ironical Ile Mamie... ..... that cheer from the treasury bench. IS was said that open confession was very wholesome ; he was snaking it now. His vote was not a vote on tile merits of that question, but it was a vote of want of confidence in the ministers. He WAS prepared to record other such votes, and he would tell them that if he were not prepared to do so, al though his own conviction went with him, he dare not show his face in Ireland. (Hear.) He was asked very recently, outside of the house, this question—" Surely Mr. Reynolds, you would not think of voting against the ministers, where you thought they were right ; do not vote against them on all occasions." Well, he said, it was a very hard dose to swallow, to be compelled to vote against a motion he believed to be right, but he had read the history of former parliaments, and he had read somewhere that former parliaments had withheld the supplies, not because they were prepared to say to the soldier or to the national creditor, " You ought not to he paid ;" but be cause they were not prepared to trust the money to the ministers. He was prepared, so long as this insulting asure was on the floor of the house, to vote on all occa sions in order to mark his indignation against the govern. meta that could make so unwarrantable en assault upon the creed of himself and his fellow-colliery's/en. The Irish members hail no power of originating a reel-, sure for the good of Ireland with the prospect of carrying it. But he would tell them what they . had. Bearing an mind that the two great political parties were 'warty balanced, they believed they had the power of deciding which of the two great parties should occupy the treasury bench. And now he would make an offer he might as well say he was in the market. (Hear.) lie was to be bought. (Laugh ter.) And he thought he could sell a few others who coin cided in opinion with him. Ile would tell them what their price was. They were prepared to aid in transfering one party from that bench and placing another party en it on 'these conditions—first, that they would abandon this bill, totally and entirely abandon thebill, and that they would in troduce measures to save the millions of Ireland from dying as they were doing at pee sent in the workhouses for want of food, food being plentiful and reduced to a drug price. He called on them to put an end to a system under which 220 paupers in a single workhouse in the county of Clare had died in one week. (Cheers.) In the nest place he asked them to do justice to the distillers and spirit dealers of Ireland, and to place them on the same footing as the foreign stealers. (Hear, hear.) Next, he demanded that consider *stand as an t•-•-- - • of volved the duty of making and keeping a liou4e when the government, on motion nights, happened to have important bu-incsa on the paper ? Now the previou4 night the noble lord had a mod important notice of motion on the paper in ,hich /WWI evasion of ihu law ; and there war but one step from a conientious CW(LiiOll to an open disobedient,* to laws. Ile moved that the bill be read a second time that day six months. Mr. REYNOLDS seconded the amendment. The noble they should Irelanci as au integral part et the British empire, not for the purposes of aggres sion and oppression, but for the purpose of mak ing her what both Gad and nature Intended her to he, the right arm of this empire, and not a drag .... respect to Jewish Disabilities, a matter WI he last session promised should h ave his earliest t..,eention this year. (Hear, hear.) He could not have had a better opportunity of stating his views and intentions on this sub ject than fast evening; but it was clear that while the noble lord could come down in breathless haste to persecute the catholics, he was di-posed to treat with entire negl,ct the Jews. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Secretary to the Trea sury was generally looked to as to the malting a house on all occasions; for it had been found that when indepvudent members having notices of motion on the paper and no house before which to bring them forward, inconvenient, often arose afterwards to the government in the conduct of the public business ; be thought there would have been a house yesterday, and when he asked the secretary, the hon. gentleman said 11.., had used every exertion to w ake a house. Mr. BARNARD said he had received—;hough not as an underling—(hear) —a note, couched in rather a stronger style thin wax usually adopted towards independent mem bers, requesting him to attend to assist in making a house. Mr. IIAYTER avid he bad not only used the ordinary means on the occasion, but had come to the door where he saw several members, but was unable to Min, Cuero to come in. Ile (Mr. Ilayter) woo himself pre- sent—(.. hear," and a laugh)—and he expressed to the hon. member for Lambeth his regret that his efforts had been unavailing in securing for the courtry the advantage of earl (the Earl of Arundel) had handled the English part of the question so well, that he (Mr. Ite)^nolds) deemed it unnecessary to speak of that portion of the subject. Ile would therefore devote thu few observations he should address to the house to the Irish portion of the questioa. lle might say in parenthesis that he could not express his surprise and astonishmert that Ireland should he at all in troduced into the measure. Let him not, however, be mis understood, for inusinsels as the bill was calculated to uppr...sx the creed of Komau catholics in the United Kingdoms, he rejoiced that the bill also included Ire land, and his feelings -f pleasure on this point wore deri%ed from the refiietion that in Ireland the Roman catholic' WCPC strong and were able to oder euustitutionail resisance to the hill, By her efforts, through her represeatutins in that house, and by her in- Iluenee through the meetings of her people assembled in her comities and her parishes, the was able to speak in such a manner as must entitle ler to respect and attention in that house. Ile was well aware that those who in that house wished the bill rejected atugether, had a most difficult part to play, for the public mild in Great Britain had been so math iidluund by a variety of machinery. Ile was not un mindful of the fact that the people of England had been led astray by violent letters and by violent speeches. lie could nut close 11e eyes to the fact that the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) had issued a moat violent litter dated Downiug-stree, sth November, and addressed to the Bishop of Durham, tad on referring to the day— Lord J. Hr The 414 November] Mc (Mr. Key . chain 'on its prosperity as she was at present. (Cheers.) As a Raman catholic member of that hone, he felt that an open and wanton insult had been committ ed by this papal bill upon his creed ; and, in saying that, he spoke with no sectarian feeling. lie knew that this mighty United King (Min contained a population approaching thirty million souls—of which 10 millions were Homan eatholics; 10 mil lions were episcopal protestant% and the remaining ten millions were slit into all the sections into which their common Christianity was split. They were a mixed community of Christians, and, therefore, in the name of God let them discountenance all pnecedings, which, like the present, were not Christian proceedings, but were calculated to divide man from man, instead of snaking them love each other—proceedings which were eal culated to make the country—he spoke now of Ireland, but he thought England was very little better—perfectly unin habitable. (Cheers.) Let them get rid, therefore of this most aboard and mischievous measure, and pr oceed to transact the business of the country. (Cheers.) Above all, let them not furnish material to make them the laughing stock of every civilised community ft Europe. (Loud cheers.) lir B. HALL had no hesitation in saying that it was his btentitm to give his vote in favour of the bill which hail'been propo-ed Isy his right hon. friend. (Cheers.) In the course of this discussion one very remarkable feature had occurred. It had been elicited by the speech of the hon. gentleman who had just sat down, and who had boldly and unhesitatingly declared that he and his , party were a that hon. menther's motion. ADJOURNMENT. On the motion of Lord J. RUA,rI,I,, it wall agreed that the House at its ri-ing do :oljoum till Monday. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASsUMPTION BILL. Lonl J. RUSSELL having moved the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, numerous petitions were prosented against the bill, after which The Kul of ARUNDEL and SURREY row and said, that in moving the amendment of which he had given no tice, he would treat the bill, nut as in the form in which it :CSSELL-1,- _ Ale (._ - 1101410 thanked the noble lord for the correction, for it brought it nearer to a date to which he was about io refer—the uuuiveaary of the Gunpowder Plot, It scented LO him that the letter had been prepared at what wit. cow...dyed a mo.t opportune time—when the tar, the feather; and straw, and all the paraphernalia of the Guy Fawkes party were abroad. lle was not unmindful that the of London, in actuber preceding, addressed a pastoral to those untkr his spiritual juri.dictien, in which he used most Wolent, and, without mean •srsonal offence, he (Mr. Iteynolds) would say must .gly deentreu marketable commodity both in this house and in the count rte. The hon. gentleman said that they were ready to dispose of themselves either to one government or the other; but before any one attempted to purchase them he thought it would be well to consider the value which they put upon thetmelves. (Loud laughter.) Why if they looked at the conduct of tho frith party, they would find that ever since the year 1832, when most of them became members of the house, they had voted first on one aide of the home and then on the other on every kind of question, and that, notwithstanding their at prevent Mood before the houw, but in that shape in whiel it had been given notice of by the noble lord at the head 01 the government. It appeared to him that that would he vethod, ^ d would produce no inconvenience auelaradian, observations regarding the konian catholic creed, although he (the bishop of London) preached to tliellay portion of his pub•cta to be • ss. .:. • - and moder loud prott,ts, they had supported the government in the moat abject manner. (Cheers.) He believed that if they bought the hon. gentleman, however much he might the simplest method, and wow_ produce nu Thin bill had been prepared during a period of great excite ment caused by the creation by the Pope of a Itoman catholic hierarchy in this country—caused by a change of the spiritual arraugentents under which the Roman catho lies have hitherto lived—by a chug ge front bishops aped,. heal and bishops in ordinary to a regul trly canstituted hierarchy. This was called an intitlt to the nation, an in fringement of the prerugativea of the crown, and an in fraction of international paw. (Hear, hear.) Ile would take a glance at wh it had been the condition of the Roman eatholien in this country at various times since the period of the Reformation. In the year 1598 the last bishop of the faith—the bishop of Thum:a—died The catholic. had then begun to labour under great dilficulties, and the anomalous office of archpriest was rippointed. Even at that time the catholies hail remonstrated, but the archpriest was ap pointed, and the Roman catholic' had been ruled by hint and„his suer...ors until the year 16'2a. In I. 23 the demands of the Roman catholic' for .imc episcopal jurisdiction be came more urgent, and one vicar-apostolieal was appointed, by whom they were govermal till Ifi;fB. In Ifizgi four vicari-apoetolical were aniointed, and the Pope, to use modern phrusenlngy, parcelled out the country into , four districts. These f rot vicars-apostolic,al remained in office till 1810. In IMO the country wan divided into eight districts and eight viears-apostulical were appointed. These eight vicars-apostolic:kJ had continued to exercise the functions of their tithe in this country until 1850, when the hierarchy which hail caused so much commotion was created. Why had the Pope created the hierarchy? Thee all knew the irregularities into which any body, and parti cularly a religious body, got when regular discipline and organisation was not in use amongst them. This had been the position of the Roman catholic.. They felt all the in conveniences of an unestablishcd church; they were not ruled in the ordinary way, and many irregularities had oc curred. Therefore, the catholics of England had petitioned the Pope to grant them a regular hierarchy. lie (the Earl " " • " ' of these -- and could . temperate ate in their language. Ville, however, he (Mr. Reynolds) war aocaking of letters, be might say that there had been another letter, also written in November—he meant the letter of the right hon. beunet the member for Ripon (Sir J. Graham) to Mr. Howard. The two letters, that of the noble lord (Lord J. ltuoell), and that of the right bun. baronet (Sir J. Graham) were now before the public, and to the public he (Mr. Iteysolds) said " Look on this picture and ou this Look to the Durham letter, and the Graham and Howard letter." It was to be regretted that the noble lord (lord J. Russell) should have introduced this unfortunate bill. It was as bad a bill as ever was pro ' a for non-payment. (Laughter.) He (Mr. Reynold.) had heard with satisfaction the able, eloquent, and liberal speech of the right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham), and he was gratified to and that the some noble sentiments had been expressed its another place by Lord Aberdeen. (Hear, hear.) It occurred to him (Mr. Reynolds) that the people of England had twain), to read and digest thew two ses.thcs—they had been comparing the Durham and the Graham letter—and he would say this, that the people of England were not to be gulled at all times. They had been gilled often, but he (Mr. Reynolds) felt persuaded that on this subject they would .vinputhise in the liberal sentiments of the right hon. baronet (!:4irJ.Graham) and Lord Aberdeen. ,'llse title of bishop was nit a territorial title at all. lice I ' Majesty possessed no power to make a bishop. According to the form, at all events, the deans and chapters were called upon to el..ct bishops, and her Majesty contents' the barony. The diocese was the liarony, which was the' territorial power, and the barony gave the seat in the House of Lord and eouverted the spiritual peer into a legislator. Now let any one ask this ques tion in sober seriousness,— had the I'opc given Cardinal as Archbishop of Westminster one acre of land ? Übe au Irish phrase, the bull had not given him as much as would sod a lark. (Laughter.) Nor had he a right by law to claim any ecclesiastical due, not a far thing. He lived now, as he (Mr. Reynolds) hoped he and ught rise „, be swayed in nutters affecting Ilifferent 'lemons—arid the hon. gentleman had told them that unless he opposed thb measure he dared not show his fare in Ireland (hear, hear) —he would be excommunicated if he did. (Laughter and cheers.) lie would generally he found supporting the govern ment whatever government might be sitting on the treasury benches. (Cheers.) ills noble friend who hail opposed the measure had done so in a most temperate and admirable speech, and one well calculated fur the very serious occasion on which they had met—for a very serious occasion he Mt it to he. (First.) His noble friend had told them that ever since the year 1.198 there had been a demand fur a Roman catholic hierarchy in this country ; but surely the Pope's re fusing togrant one wasa proof that it was quite unnecessary for the purpose of spiritual government in this country. That being the ease, he (the hon. baronet) asked why the l'opc now, in the year Mil, came forward and made this ag gression? (Item, hear.) There was no neceemity what ever for the appointment of aces. The old constitution of ' Mears apostolic was admirably adapted to the wants of the Roman catholic, in this country, and there was no cause whatever for the change, except fur the purpose of giving more power to the Roman catholic bishops in this country. (near, hear.) If he were a member of the Roman catholic body, he should equally protest against this 4L , Ntimption on the part of the Pope. (Chews.) In fact, what did they, the protestants of this country, do when one of their own bishops attempted to introduce a bill for the purpose : f giving extravagant powers to the episcopal bench, such as the Pope was now attempting to confer on his bishops ? Why, they came forward and protested against the proposition; and, therefore, he was not saying what he would not do, when he declared the course he should take if he were a Roman catholic. (Rear, hear.) It had been stated that the feeling which had been manifi.sted was not the feeling of the people of England ; but he could only look upon such an assertion as puerile and absurd. A paper which had been laid or the table a day or two since, and which of Ariindellhail signed one petitions, ..,_ not have imagined that by such acts they could be accused of infringing the prerogatives of the crown or the independence of the nation. (Hear, hear.) Had they then been accused of this he could have said that this was not in the least their intention. After some difficulties the hierarchy had been established, and they had been told it was an insult to this country. The noble lord at the head of the government (Lord J. Russell) had urged, both in and out of the house, that the government had not been informed of the Pope's intention. lie was surprised that the noble lord should complain of that, after the manner in which he had spoken on a former occasion, and after what had transpired in that house between the noble lord and the hon. baronet the member for the University of Oxford (Sir It. Inglis). So long ago as the 16th of February, ISIS, the hon. baronet the member for Oxford University hail drawn the attention of the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) to the subject, and had stated the intention of the Pope to create bishoprics in this country. On the lith of August of the same year the noble lord had hail his attention called to the subject while the bill regarding diplomatic relations with Rome had been under discussion. On that occasion the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) having had his attention drawn to the matter for months, and nosing matured the policy which he proposed should be pursued towards the court of Rome, laid down what he (Lord J. Russell) thought a right policy, not only with regard to Pope Pius I X., but the Pope whisever he might be. In the course of that debate the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) had said, "An hon. gentleman has asked me some questions with regard to certain proceedings that have taken place. I do not know whether he wishes to ask me now with respect to the creation of Roman catholic archbishops in England. I do not know that the Pope has authorised in any way, by any authority he may have, the creation of any archbishopric or bishopric with dioceses in England ; but certainly I have not given my consent." (Hear, hear.) Therefore it was useless to ask the noble lord's consent. (Hear, hear.) " Nor should I give my consent, if asked to do so, to any such formation of dioceses. With regard to spiritual authority, the hon. gentleman must see, when he alludes to other states in Europe, that whatever control is to be obtained over the spiritual authority of the l'ope, can only be obtained by agreement for that end. You must either give certain ad vantages to the Roman catholic religion, and obtain from the Pope certain other advantages in return, amongst which you must stipulate that the Pope shall not create any dio ceses in England without the consent of the Queen ; or, on the other liana, you must say that you will have nothing to do with arrangements of that kind—that you will not con sent in any way to give any authority to the Roman catholic religion in England. But then you must lease the spiritual authority of the Pope entirely unfet tered. (Hear, hear.) You cannot bind the l'ope's spi titual influence unless you have some agreement. (Hear.) For my own part, I am not disposed to think that it would be for the advantage of this country, or that it would be agreeable to the Roman catholic., that we should have an agreement with the Pope, by which their religious -sogernents should he regulated." Now, had not the Pope the catholic hierarchy would always live, on the voluntary eoltributions of catholics. It had been said this was ...t insolent aggression. Now he ventured to say that it :lie whole English vocabulary were examined, and there were extracted from it all the offensive phrases it contained, they would not find more offensive epi thets than those used by the protestant archbishops and bishops against the clergy of the catholic church.' Rehiring to the measure before the house, Mr. Bay-' observed that the bill was emasculated. The se cond and third clauses were omitted. The first clause stated that no Roman ecclesiastic should assume the title of any diocese or place in the United Kingdom. Now what did the act of 1820 say ? The 24th section said it should not be lawful for any Roman ecclesiastic to assume the title of any canting diocese under a penalty of 1001. This bill went further, because it said " of any place." Now there was no necessity to extend that to Ireland, because the bishops there had never violated that clause. He should be sorry that any one should charge him truly with using intemperate language, or with making a threat; but beansg iu maul that he was an Irish catholic, that he professed the creed of seven-eighths of the Irish people, 1 and knowing their strong feelings, he defied that house, if they should carry the bill in its present shape, to carry it out in Ireland. They might carry it out in England, but the Irish catholic, made common cause with the English catholics. In Ireland they were 8 , 1 per cent. of the oopulation, in England only 5. They did not omit Ireland' from the bill, though it was understood there was an under current that they should. If they had he would have charged the government with cowardice, and told them they were acting the part of bullies in ' attacking the weak and letting the strong alone. But they were attacking both, and they would! sink or swim together ; and be thought they should swim. He had great confidence in the right hon. member for Ripon, in Lord Aberdeen, and in the illustrious duke who was at the head of the government when the Emancipation Bill passed in 1829. lie believed that he would not allow that great religious compact to be violated. And ha bad great confidence in the declaration of Lord Stanley, who said they ought to inquire before they legislated. Until the ith of November last, Lord Stanley was the most un popular peer in Ireland. His name and everything that was oppressive and tyrannical towards them were synonymous terms. But the noble lord at the head of the government had changed places with him. And when he stated that he stated it in sober sadness, because he deeply regretted it. He regretted it because for twenty years of his life he had reelignoied the noble lord as the legitimate and accredited head of the great movement party in this country; he had always considered him as the talented and consistent head' of the whigs When he entered the house he enlisted under the noble lord's banners; he voted for him when he thought he was right, he gave him the benefit of the doubt when he had not made up his mind whether he was right or wrong ; and he only voted against hint when he thought he w as wrong. He had changed his position. (Law.' .Ulow him ' • ....if. The noble had been move fur by his hon. friend the member for Warwickshire, completely refuted such an idea. It showed that there had been meetings in almost every county in England, with one extraordinary exception, that of the county of Kent, in which there was on archiepiscopal and episcopal city. (Hear, hear.) Althnugh at these county meetings hundreds and thousands bad met for the purpose of expressing their loyalty to the Queen, the addresses had b.een signed only by the lords-lieutenant ; and yet there had been 1,600,400 signatures to addresses to her Majesty, praying that measures might be adopted for prevent ing the continuance of the papal aggression. The hon. mem bee for Maya, (Mr. Moore) had asked why there was reli gious liberty iii Great Britain and nut in Rom e ? He answered that it was because England was in England; but it would have been better to have reversed the question, and asked why there was not religious liberty in Rome as well as in England? The reason was because Rome was Rome because ltomc had always been intolerant. (Cheers.) It was a fact, that protestants were positively forbidden to worship God within the walls of the Holy City, although persons had had the presump tion to deny that such was the case. (Cheers.) And sup-, pose that protestants should die in Rome, the only place where they were allowed to be buried was near their chapel I at the very extremity of the city, and outside the walls. (Cheers.) Even there note single prayer was permitted to be said over the dead person ; no monument could be put up over a departed father or child except with the permis sion of the Propaganda, and no inscription could be placed on it, when erected, without their sanction. (Cheers.), Sir H. W. BARRON—That is not the fact. (Cries of " Order.") Sir B. HALL reiterated that what he said was perfectly true. Sir H. W. BARRON—And I distinctly deny it. (" Order.") Sir B. HALL.—His noble friend had shown most clearly and distinctly that the Roman catholic prelates had done so. (Hear, hear.) They were the Pope's agents in this country, and as long as they confined themselves to spiritual matters he would give thorn every facility, but when they interfered with state matters, they would rite up and denounce them. (Cheers.) In the very admir able speech of his hon. and learned friend the Solicitor- General last session, he said that such was the admirable state of the law in this country, that if any persons felt themselves aggrieved they had to lay the documents before the Attorney-Oencral, to be read by him and to be in dorsed, if he thought there was a case, with " Let right be I done." But he (Sir B. Hall) thought that in a case of this importance it ought to he left open to every man to com mence proceedings. (Cheers.) If they legislated at all on this subject they ought to leave every subject that felt him solved aggrieved to take proceedings without the interven tion of the Attorney-General. (Hear, hear.) In making this observation he (Sir B. Hall) had no doubt that he should be subjected to the imputation of having acted contrary to religious freedom; hut, as he had stated before, he was only arguing against the by the of power in temporal things. right and the Pope's advises' a tto believe, that although (Laughter.) ~....ow him to correct himselt. ..._ _ ..... assumption _.: pope , the noble lord (Lord J. Rummell) was against the thing being lord had changed his position. The noble lord was now at !He thought that no one in this realm should 1;e allowed to done, yet if it were done, he would nut oppose it ?(" Hear, the head of the bigots of the empire. There was not a I feel that he held a divided allegiance. (Cheers.) Any hear." and " No, no.") Had it not ken an invitation to narrow-minded, vulgar , une d u c a t e d bigot in the land ' measure that should allow the Roman catholic greater free them to use entirely unfettered the spiritual authority which that did not glory in his name, and say he was dom in the czerci.-e of his religion than he now had—if any this country left in their hands? Taking into consideration 1 the prime minister for their money. He (Lord such were capable of being given him—he would gladly also that it was quite in amirdance with other things the John Russell) would teach the Pope and Cardinal support; but whenever an aggression was made upon th e , noble lord had said , they hid no right to assume that the Wiseman that they were not to say anything; they were I rights of the crown, as was done by the establishment of this prime minister or hi, government did really object to the I not to say black Is the white of my eye in this country. hierarchy, he should always be ready in spite of all his creation of the. , dioceses. It was said that the Queen's ; (Laughter.) The noble lord said he would do this. He political opinions, and in spite of whatever might be said prerogative had been infringed. Why, had it been in. I gave them to understand ho would curtail and diminish against hint, to come forward and repel such attacks.' fringed, when the proceeding on the part of the Pope had the temporalities of the pronsdant church in Ireland. (Loud cheers.) effected nothing which the Queen could do—it prevented 'lt was said that the Pope . of Rome had neither Mr. ROT:NDELL PALMER announced his intention Ur Queen from doing nothing—it touched nothing the'. spiritual nor temporal power in this realm. He be- to o pp ose th e secon d . (Ch eers.) H. was not in- Quest could touch—it changed nothing the Queen could lieved that he had spiritual power, bat that he had sensible to the du of ditty public opinion in a natter change. (Hear.) It only affected those whose conscientious not and ought not to have temporal power. And it s of this importance ; end to the great amount of that opi submission to the spiritual authority of the Pope was by was not clear to him, after theilivision on the motion of the nion which had been expressed upon this question. Ile law admitted. (Hear.) The noble lord (Lord J. Russell) hon. member for Bucks, that the Pepe had nut some kind of coati:sm. d that if he thought such a manifestation of feeling had told Clem that the law officers of the crown had de- temporal power. lie would say this, that those who thought were a dcliherat , and well-considered opinion that this dared that the assumption of titles in this country was with him (Mr. Reynolds) would not swell the sails of a species of legislation were wanted, lie should have hesitated illegal ueith sr at common tor at statute law, but that the minister who sought to oppress them. He voted for the before he ventured to address the house in oppo s itio n t o so bulls creating them titles were doubtful at eionmon law motion of the hon. member for Burks, and he wishedthat his large au amount of public sentiment. But from all la had and illegal by statute law. It would not be difficult to ; vote should be construed not as a vote on the merits of seen, he was convinced that the public did not view it as a --- that " - ,, inmon law. He (the that question. (Ironical cheers.) He thanked them for mere 'Utical question, but as one of a mixed character _ indeed, but in which the religious element preponderated. (Cheers.) A great portion of the arguments which had been urged iu favour of the bill had reference to foreign nation*, and to the supposed breach of the public law of Europe, and to the tine-drawn distinctions between spiritual and Ceeklija<tiC.ll things; for which he believed there was no foundation. (liar, hear.) 11., was nut insensible to the differ...no: betty Boman catholic, and protestant dissmters; but still Cie Pltll4 tube ap plied in great Immure to both. 'the dissenters were allowed to make what local organization they pleased. The free ehurch of Scotland, for instance, which hail come into existence only yesta rday us it were, had separated into parishes, court ”s,ons, general ussembites, and the like. In fact, a more complete welt...jostled government could not be established. (lieut., hear.) Now, it war quit, a Lai-stake to suppose that episcopacy did not require symilie d aetion as much as presbyterianism; tad, iu act, the episcopal church in Scotland, which also held such synod*, had ban excurited front the hill. (('been.) Ile was quit, willing to admit that tic, foreign cootie , ti in of Cie lto.aan catho lic% was a ditHcalty. (Cheers.) Slid he could not see how they could prevelit the !tont:lElV altering tit. ir system. They must not forget that this questioit of discip7;se WWI to Roman catholics a fundamental one. They held the supremacy of the l'ope, the neeessity /.IC a priest hood, and even the papal infallibility ; and titer:fors it was absurd to talk of is toleration whim interfered with those questions. (('heers.) It was true ilia. the pro testant dissenters hod no religious &aim interfering with their duti., a= citizens, eh: rear the Itotitau catholic. in this country were, as it w. r•, a branch of a foreign church. (Cheers.? It was a ditticulty ; but then they had settled that question whew they granted toleration to the Roman catholic*. (Ulcers.) Blackst o ne had treated Hannan catholic priests or converts as gaiay of high treascot,• and certainly, on abstract principles, it tuned he urgaed that they were, 11.(1%11.1+,• they renounced their allegiance to the crown; but then the tuition, in pa==ing the luleratiusx Act, had declared that principle to be exploded. (t.'hi= With reap, ct to the notion that the pa:ssl agisreoioa was a violation of the public low of Europe, he thought that it was founded on a total misapprehension of the hye na. in which the principles of religious liberty were administered in thi= country, reel wad perfectly distinct from that of other nations. It mod have struck everyone that the last part of tile Kiterck of the able lord (J. 11, sell) -- el the first. et, odie- aft noble J (J. to-,cII) &woven, According to the noble lord's slanuient it acce..ity part of the law of Europe that every papal r.ocript should hove what waa called a weal phi, et; but would tuc nobie lord adopt that system ? sn, he would not. The t ttttt itry would nut • hear that our government should b•• at mixed up with the Roman catholic syrteite as that; it would not choose that their bishops should go forth with the sanction and autho rity eel the crown, aud tlmt governme nt should convene their synods. The pcoitestitut feeding ui the country would revolt inftniaclv mot, oohed that than against wheat had been done on this orearion. (near, hear.) boot thcre was no middle course. Either the gooverunit tour% take upon itself to give these privileges, political recognition, endow ments, and advantages of Oil: kind, and to come before the country as saitelionitin; these arranioomentr, or clew the Boman cathonies must bc. permioi. •; to make their urrangements for tio.ogtso Ives, mil,.', nid, d, we were prepared to praliibit then allege the r. In Belgium the Pot, might crow,• as many bishops as he pleased ; the rvernment only said —° It you nuake more bishop, thus we think netiovacy, see won t pay for them ;"--a very sensible ri.ow to Lk,. (1 i• er, har.) Our Anglo-Saxon brethren nn the other side oif t h•• Atlantic did net interfere in ;any way; they allowed the Pope tee send bishops to his people, owl took no political recriglidion of them. Even' the In .• stater: of South America ' which, under Spauirfi rule, lead 'recta connected by Convor4l et with the Pope, that oomortLit w e. broken elf ley Pie ro•volutioa s and since then the Pope had made many new arrangements. and estaldirhed tunny new bishoprics he those stater. t hen, it wear said that the late act of the Pope, ice the manner of doing it, was an insult to the Once'', All innovation on her territorial sovereignty ;mil politieal power, and not mutely an r ecclesiastical ar r angement. lle co.onduly would not aeologise fur the MAIM; in which this had been done. To turn, it seemed like to many of the act., of :he Roman ca tholic church, arrogant and premitnytuou, kllear. hear.) But that alone would not a gal lillsoo hgo.lAtion. Ile did nut believe tie' thing done was int . 3la as an insult. Rightly or wrongly, it woo ouppu. tot t i he a *iritual arrangement which be toreit l into ,ifect wahout rgiving offence to the crown; and, v..10 - th , r juenii able or Un justifiable, it was not an inttitt;unol ninth. fur did he think it was a territorial invooion of sovereignty. The true meaning of Cie whole thing was to orgais, a aitores.lll • episcopacy fur th.• Itunian eat' • y... 1.1.• ut this couetry a very aitiervet thing front t..tritorial , ov.rcig.aty. Ily the bill as it stood, it' a free episcopal church wen fumed in England tomorrow. itslushopu would he as nitwit prohibited from the use of title. as thy Roman catholic bishop.. Mr. F. MAC -Why not call tit. in by their names ? ' Mr. PALM Eli said there wee' lliTil , '4111• a 11, II the eth cen of a church must be expressed by their of vial titles; thtre mast Lc I4ollle f,lllll and (Aylo I% herelsy to describe them : but the bill said thee, should 1w noue at all; ;rod this appeared extremely absurd aml ty mink al. ((tear, hear.) Ile could not think that Or' use of such styles and Wks we s either au :1,/1.1111116111 of tertitorial sovereignty, or asy offence winter. r imainst the dignity and authority of the crown. nail such hots, the real meaning of the Popc's bull, the law officers of the crown would never haw; told the noble lord that they could not prosecute; for the net would either have lama high treawn, man (acme puuishalffe with tine and imprisonment, at the discretion of t h collet ; and if juries had really he tiered that the muniug ui the act was 3.11 a.timption of territorial soren ignty, thee would have had mo dillieulty in convicting. But the iliffieulty sus that when men earn,, to investigate the m afar they would have found that it h.al no mich meaning ; taut, however the lauguime might fa vour the supposition, the tel doue was entirely f,rcign to it. The distuntioa attempted to be drawn between vicars :_tiermlic and the ti .w bishops was an :Mimed one. The vicars apostolic had only been tolerated by the law a very short period ; they had not come into exist ence by the consent of the crown. Ax to England, the late act of the Pope was no doubt meant to present to the mem bers of the protestant ehurela, who wi re 'al deluded as to think of changing the pure liberty thry had in it for the erruiwous doctrines of the church of 'twee—it was meant to present to theta the spectacle of a perfectly organists" church, by way of contrast to the Chun", of England. On that ground, awl fur that reason only, he did not sec how they eauld he justified in passing a eirreise bill. Ile did not ft ar the contrast, in which the church of England had .'very pirsible advantage ; and not the lessbetroie the ailvanct-t were made openly, . . . . - and she was challenged to the field. They had a free and open Bible; the masses of the population were with them; they had money, political establishment, and everything that could be thought to give ads:lntim, ; above all, they had the truth. (Hear.) Under these eireunastances, was it possible to imagine that the church of Englund was to be destroyed, and that all the 1111.111WN were to be converted against their will, because the Pope had thought fit to change his vicars apostolic into bishops? It would but add strength to the church of Englatid. For his own part, though he could wish on such matters to defer, if possible to pub lic opinion, or to fiat public opinion with him, he should yet not be satisfied that he had done his duty to the great principles of civil and religious liberty, which he beta vcd to he the principal glory of this country, if he did not enter his protest against this bill. (Cheers.) Sir It. H. INGLIS (whose opening observations were in audible in the gallery) said, that his hon. and learned friend who had just coucluded his able, eloquent, but, he should say, fallacious speech, appeared to him to have proceeded altogether on fallacy, at least, as regarded his historical re ferences. The hon. and learned gentleman had referred to the Episcopal Church, to the Free Church of Scotland,to the Wesleyans, and to the possibility of u five episcopal church rising up in England, Mild inquired if we were prepared to legislate as regarded the internal government of all these bodies. However, the difference was, that whilst each 'and every of these sects depended on its self, the question at prevent to be dealt with was that which had reference to a church which owed alle giance to a foreign power. (hear, hear.) The Weel. yens fountainuertfua co nst ituted u u te dt the t aintdoo fundamentalrecognisefh nour t a il n e ,d it : t e i 'e n r. t go authority,ot. of hli.ctahher the cases which had been introduced by his hon. and learned friend. (Hear, hear.) The church of ltumo admitted of no salvation out of her pale ; and therefore she was consistent in claiming control. He (Sir It. 11. Inglis) did not wish to follow the noble lord in his allusions to those Roman catholic peers who resisted the aggress:on: but this he would say, that prominent in rank, and talent. and character as were the noble lords who took an opposite view of the matter, those noble lords who resisted the aggression were in no way their inferiors. (Hear, hear.) Here again he (Sir R. Ing11‘) could not help noticing the manner an which allusion had been made to the expressed opinions of the right hon. baronet the member for Itipon (Sir J. Graham), as well as those of a noble lord (Aber deen) in another place. But unless he mistook his right hon. friend—and he was certain he did not mistake the noble lord—each of them discountenanced the griev ance of aggression as much as did the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's government, or any member who supported his views ; and therefore the hon. member for Dublin had no great cause to console himself on that point. Olean hear.) The difference that existed in the minds of the right hon. baronet and the noble lord was not as regarded the aggression itself, but as to the way it ought to be dealt with ; for they still agreed in reference to the amount of opposition and popular fill -• that had been -- ed. (II hear.) The hon. ing on t• ,11:11X, , baronet the member for Maryleboue (Sir B. 1611) hall in formed the house as to the numbers who signed the ail dresses, and these numbers considered in connexion with the numben who signed hi the counties showed a numerical array greatly exceeding any that had ever on a pre nous occasion addressed the crown on uny subject. (Hear, hear.) In the commencement, what body was it that first addressed the Soren ? Why that very body of which his hon. and learned fiiend (Mr. R. Palmer) was a member. Next followed a body not very remarkable for their bigotry—tile attorneys and soli citors of the kingdom. ((hear, hear.) The hon. member for Dublin (Mr. Reynolds) had talked of his (Si: It. H. ki)io's) seediness to take an instalment in the present case, at the same time mentioned that he would also have to give I notice as to the terms of an addition which might be made is the preamble of the bill. He had come down to the house yesterday (Thursday) intending to give these notices, but there being "no house," he had net been able to do so. lie had, therefore, now to give notice that in committee on the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill he would move the insertion in the pre- amble, after the word " whereas," in the first line, the fol lowing words, "divers of her Majesty's Roman catholic subjects having assumed to themselves the titles of instil bishops and bishops of pretended provinces and of pre ! tended sees• and dioceses within the United Kingdom under colour of au alleged authority given to them for that purpose by rescripts or letters from the see of Rome." Awl the clause which he should move would be to the tact that nothing which the act contained shall extend or apply to the assumption or use ' by the protestant 'episcopal church in Scotland, exercising !ecclesiastical functions within dioceses or places in Scotland, !of any name, style, or title, and that, further, nothing eon- tained within the art shall enable any such Whops to assume any title which they are nut already entitled to assume by law. DEATH ON BOARD A CORK STEAMER. Mr. LABOUCIIERE stated that a question had been put to him the other night by the hon. member for Brid port (Mr. B. Cochrane.) with reference to the death of a person, alleged to have taken place under peculiar circum stances on hoard a steamer trading between Cork and Lon don. lie (Mr. lAbouchere) had then stated that an inquiry had been made into tile whole matter by the proper autho rities and the results of that inquiry being now in Isis pen , he thought it au act ofjustice to all parties that the papers should be laid lwfure the house. JEWISH DISABILITIES.—OATIIS OF MEMBERS. Lord J. RUSSELL postponed, till TuesiLy next, his motion in reference to the oaths of abjuration. Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice that when the noble lord proceeded with his motion, he (Mr. Reynold.) should move as an amendment a resolution to the effect that the house do resolve itself into a committee of the whole housetotake into consideration the acts requiring oaths and affirmations from memkers of that house on taking their scats, with a view to the total repeal of such portions of such acts as re qnire the taking of such oaths, and to devise and substitute each a Berm of oath for affirnustion as may be taken by all members of the house without religious distinction. TILE CENSUS. Mr. GOVLBURN a fished to call the attention of the right hon. gentleman opposite (Sir G. Urey) to a paper issued from the Sevretary of State's office, and proceeding front the registrargentral on the subject of the &mug, and which bad given rise to considerable alarm. The paper in question was dinnit'd to ir addressed to the clergyman, officiating minister, or any other person in the panel, and required the party so addressed to supply information of the total income of the elcrzyman of the parish, and of the sources whence it is &lived, whether from endowmi ut, from pew rents, from furs, or from donation to the parish ; and the pa per further required from those persons that they shall state what is the average number of parsons who at tend at each place of worship within the parish. Sir G. OltEY.—lt was correct that documents of the kind referred to hail been issued front the office of the Registrar-Omieral with a view to procure information with regard to the rictus. 1 but information might be divided into two CIAS•01. information of one description must be given by panics ti whom the order was addresscsl, under the authority of an act of parliament, and the withholding of it would subject them to a penalty. Another class was, that information comprising, among other thing% replies to the questions referred to by the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Goulburu), which it was most desirable to be in possession of, and which, with his (Sir O. Grey's) sanction, the ltegistrar-General had requested should be given; but in this case the returns were volun tary, and for withholding such information no penalty whatever could be imposed. The papers would shortly be before the house which hail been addressed to every offi ciating el.irgyivan or inetimbent in a parish, and it would then at one be seen that the particular information ad verted to was merely invited and was nut required under soy penalty. THE KAFFIR WAR. Sir 1)E LACY EVANS recalled the attention of the noble lord to is statement made the other night in refe r, nee to four sketches from the Colonial-office to the Cape colony, forewarning the colonists that they would have to bear the expenses of another Kaffir war. The important motion affecting this subject, among others, of which the bun. baronet (Sir Win. Molesworth), the member fur South wark, had given notice, was ou the paper for the 20th, and It was obviously important that the house should be in rr;ion of these despatches. Would the noble lord state would he neatly by the 20th? Lord J. It essEl.l. was understood to reply that three of the despatches in question were already beton; the house. The noble lord further said that he thought it might to state that it would be the duty of the government to ask a vote. anion. y from the house in consequence of the hostilities which had broken out at the Cape. TIIE MAYNOOTII GRANT. In answer to Mr. SPOONER, Sir C. WOOD said that there was no intention on the part of gotertinh.tit to make any alteration in the motel vote for the orili it iry rliairs of Meynouth College. Tilli GOVLRNMENT AT TIIE CAI'E. Mr. MODE ttLEY put the questions of which he hail given notice: whether the district of British Catfiaria has ever been annexed to the Cape colony, or if it still 1T112144 , under the separate government of Sir Harry Smith, us High Commissioner; also, whether the establishment of the Orange sovereignty is sanctioned by her Majesty. Mr. HAWES begged to, state that the district of Caffraria was at this moment administered by Sir Harry Smith, not as hi,th commissioner, but as special cuntrausioner. (The hoe r entiem t i t , ..h•rrhiir 4.th‘or pasts nf the sot, tion, spoke in me low a tune of voice that ho was nut heard in the gallery.) PICKPOCKETS AT TIIE CRYSTAL PALACE. Mr. F. Ol'ONNfilt wished to know from the right bon. gentleman (Sir (leorge Urey) whether he had received any report in reference to is most respectable man of the name of liewitt (as we understood) who ou Saturday last had been taken by the isilire into custody while eft the ground the Cr- d PaIACC, and detained in imes4--- The holm. divided: near the Cristo: . ~, so. ___ .npristonnwa For the sets..usl reading 2ll fmm Satarday evening to Monday morning, Ile had been Against it 67-147 charged by the police with being present with others for The bill a es thi-n read a second time. the purpose of picking pockets; and it appeared that Mr. MUTIMMILITATI (TATTLE NlAttitlEr BILL.—The order of Hewitt had been most improperly dealt with, inasmuch the day fiir the second readiug of this bill wail postponed to It. several peroins, as the ground of undoubted respecta that day three weeks. Nifty, hut edema to go bad o ur him to the extent of 4,0001. PUBLIC BUSINESS. if required. New Watt.—A new writ was onlenal fur the election of Sir 0. GREY had received no such report. ano other to serve in parliament for the borough of Thirsk, VOTE OF MONEY FOR. TIIE KAFFIR WAR. in the rums of Mr J. Bell. deceased. Sir W. MOLEsWORTII wished to ask the first minister PETITIONS I'ItESENTED. when le would ask a vote of money un account of the Kafilr I'APAL Aiitilltsslon.—The Sheriffs of London appeared war , at the bar in their robe., and prc.euted a petition from the Lord .1. RUSSELL—On an early day. Lord Mayor, Ablentwo, and Common Council of the City, COMMITTEE ON TILE ARMY ESTIMATES. which Was read ,it length by the clerk at the table, against Mr. W. MILES recalled the attention of the house to p a pal aggression, and praying tor the enactment of a the fact that last session a very ponderous volume had been stringent measure to suppress territorial titles, and to prevent laid before them, containing the evidence taken before the lips...heal action un the part of the Ito:nisi% hierarchy. committee appointed on the army estimate., and that that I Several in solar. presented petition. on the same subject. committee hail intimated that they were not prepared to MI taiieoLlT a,, CATTLE Masted ISILL.-I.ly the Sheriff,. enter on a report, hot that they recommended the ri.--ap of Lud... from the Lord Mayor. Aldermen, and Common pointment of the committee in the present session. Pte Council of the City, against this hill.—By Lord It. 01(0S- wished now to know whether, in conformity with that TENOR, from Hamincrouith, Ilighbury, liolloway, Us- recommendation, the right hon. gentleman the Secretary bridge, Finehley, and Ilanthateal, in favour of a central at War having renominated the committee had any iuten tattle market. Lion of soon calling it together. TI Inc Haat rIIAUGP.—By MT. MOODY, from the Mr. F. MAULE aid that a few days ago he had thought clergy of the deanery of l)unster, Somerset, complaining it his duty to re-nominate the committee, and that but for of the disproportionate assessment of tithe rent charge to intervening circumstances he would have already called it the p .'e rates. together. 'There would be as little delay as poasible. Jews is Panata mPS T .—By Mr. MOODY, from Ash- THE DANUBIAN I'ROVINCES.—THE 11UNCIA ingtou, Somerset, against the admimieu of Jews to paths. It lAN REFUGEES. smut. In answer to Mr. CItQI:HART, Yin's° FEMALES In CONVENT4.--CASZ or MIS. Lord PALMERSTON said that, according to the lad AVM'S tA TALluer.—Sir It. INGLIS said he had another information he hail received, the evacuation of the Danu petitiou of a different character to present, and which pro. bian provinces by the Turkish and Russian forces had been csailed from a gentleman formerly a member of the house— ordered, and would shortly take place; that the only condi- Mr. Craven Berkeley; and the home would probably per- thaw , of such evacuation were those that had been agreed nth him to state the sulsaance of the petition. 'f he peti- upon two months aim, namely, that each power was to keep tiotier stated that he was the stepfather of Augusta Talbot, up a force near the frontier for a certain time to be used in who had resided with him in his own house until her ease of need. mother's death, and then with the Earl and Countess of In answer to the same Ron. Member, Shrewsbury. That she is a ward in Chancery. That Lord PALMERSTON said, that originally there were notwitlotausling the fact of her being such ward she seventy-six Hungarian refugees in the Turkish dominions. was placed by the Earl and Countess of Shrewsbury in a that sixty of them were going to be set free by the Turkish conveut at Townies last September, not as a pupil but a dominions, that sixty of them were going to be set free by postulant, with the avowed object of her becoming a nun. the Turkish government, and that, as regarded the remain- That by neat September, 1631, the year of probation will ins sixteen, communications were going on between Austria have eapired, and she will take the white veil; that she will and Turkey. Ile added that the Turkish government was still be units r age; that she will still be a ward in Chan- anxious to free the whole number, and that, so far as the Cory • that her fortune is 80.000/.—(hear hear.)—and wishes of government went, they were in favour of the will 'become hers on the 6th of June, 1844. That if she liberation of all. be a nun iu Ss member, Pail, this fortune will become con- BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. ftscats dto the said content or to other eccleliastical pur- Mr. PLUM PTIRE wished to know, in the event of the pi... of the church of Rome. (Hear, hear.) That not only i s debate on the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill being ad- Mr. Berkeley deprived of all communication with her, but loomed over that evening, i , the noble lord would take the her halt-sister,hisilaUghter by a second marriage, her nearest adjourned debate on Monday, or on that day proceed with female relation, is also prevented from cultivating those na- the estimates? tural feeliugs of affection which would otherwise grow up Lord J. RUSSELL—It is not my intention to go on his twit n them. The petitioner prayed that legislative Inca- with the estimates on Monday, but with the adjourned suriashould be takento prevent any ward in Chancery from debate, if the debate be adjourned this evening. becoming a postulant. and that any property which might I may as well take this opportunity of making a statement be taken by the church of Rome under similar circum- to the house with regard to a notice I gave, that on Friday stances sholikl be vested in the Queen, and used for nest my eight hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exche whatcver tiurpme. her Majesty might deem fit. quer, would lay before the house any alterations lie had to BOATS AND LIGHTS ON BOARD STEAMERS. make in the proposed financial arrangements of the year. Mr. lABOCCIIERE gave notice that on Tuesday neat Since that time, namely, on Tuesday last, the hon. member he would move for leave to bring in a bill to amend the fur Inverness (Mr. 11. Bernie) has given notice of a vote laws r e lating to s team nav ig a ti o n in res p ec t t o N u ts an d of censure upon thc government, applied to their admi , lights on board steam we-going vessels. [ration of the affairs of Ceylon. I aid wish to-night to oak . THE MERCANTILE MARINE NAVY. a question of the hon. member with respect to the terms of that resolution , but I believe he is out of Mr. ANDERSON gave notice that on Monday next, on town, and I must therefore, I suppose , tins you the order of the day for liming into committee of supply on ss da - e that question until mon . y. But I w ish to state at once to , the navy estimate., he would call the attention of the house the house that as there iii a vote of censure against the go t., the report of the select committee on the steam navy of , ent now pending I hope hon. members who have ataaion 1819: and would move, "That, with a view to re "lit c ra ss of motion fur the , 23th, the day for which this (Mr. duce the public expenditure, to increase the reruns of mari- Il a aille's) nothy stands, will give way m order that a goes time defence, and to preserve peace. it is desirable that ar- Ron . affectiug the fate of the government may be as soon as rangetneuts should he effect, d % ith the ORIICIS of merean- possible decided. I a ill likewise say that Ido not think it will tile ide.un vessels to render thein . promptly available fur the beright. 'h thatofcensure heads , wt vote national defence in ease of need.' to propose. as we hail arranged, the financial measures forthe ENFRANCIIISENIENT OF corymour. year,—(laugliter and cheers) —and therefore I certainly will I.ord DUNCAN postponed for his hon. friend the mem- propose to wait until it is decided whether we ors future go her for Cockermouth (Mr. Aelinaby) to Wednesday, the vernmcnt will have to bring forward those financial measures. Path, the bill relating to the enfranchisemeut of copyholdera. (Renewed laughter and counter cheering.) Under these ALTERATIONS IN THE ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES eireumstenees I trust that my noble friend the member for ASSUMPTION BILL. Bath (Lord Ashley), and the hon. member for Montrose Sir G. GREY ruse and said that 1w had explained the (Mr. Hume), whose notices stand on the paper before that ether slay that before the second reading of the tleclesiiimi- of the hon. member for InrceneM, will give precedence to eel Titles Assumption Bill, be should give notice of a clause that hon. member. which be should have to propose in committee, in the event Lord ASHLEY would undoubtedly give way as desired glebe need reading of that bill being agreed to. he bad by the noble lord. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS. 7 -FsmAy, Mown 14. -- - YU LORD CIIANCIILLOR yak his seat it 5 o'clock. LAW OF NlAltitiAol3. Lard CAMPBELL, on presenting the petitions on this subjeet, other s.dil he hoped a ft er the vote of their lordships on this subject the . day, that all further agitation would eenrc.it. believed the ileeision of their lordships would satisfy a large majority of the people of this country. 'fhe Karl of ST. OtiRMANS could not acquiesce in the accuracy of the witenseat of the noble and learned lord, in asinuch us if the House of Common, was any indication of public feeling large majority of that I muse hod twiceaffirmed ' the principle of the bill. (Item.) lie could he no party to auv understanding that the decision of their lonlshipe would set the q uestion at rest. (Hear.) Lana C.IMPBELL said it was very true that there had been maorities in the other house of parliament in favour or the ba rs hut there could not he a doubt that the bill had pitted the nous. of (*.minims airtinst the sense of the Bri tish nation ; and upon this nit on other neell.loll4 the votes of their lordships' house hsil been in aectirdanee with the fuel lug , tot the people. Of ARSENIC REGULATION BILL. The EArl of CAILLISLE moved the committal of this bill. • hied CAMPBELL biota' , approved of the mcantre. Arrunir %al.:ed. about 1.7 the common people al if it re.-n 1 a wog harmleor substance. lle hoped this hill would ban• the I tr,..t of prercath.4 its are for improper purports. I be hill then went thmuglo committee. DEsIIIiNS ACT EXTENSION BILL. This bill al , .a waist through committee. I'ASsENGEIO4 ACT AMENDMENT BILL. Tilt neat ou this bill w brimilit up and agreed to. Titii CENNL i. Lord STANI.i.Y moved fur copies of the forms and in- totruitime. which ben hotted by the ltegistner-Geneml iu tho mutter of the census. Ile thought it would be found, on inquiry that many of the questions were vexatious and inqui -aortal, awl that the Secretary of State, in his laud able desire to obtain the greatest amount of information possible. lied gm..a• beyond tine power.. of the act. Earl sliLtS VILLE admitted that the instructions went beyond the ast, hut excused the tran•gre-.ion by the desire It by the esiamry at large to obtain a% muc h information as pewilde for Ito large sum which the census would mat. Afler some further discussion, Lord G lost N V I I.LE Mated that he had n. doubt the S. cri tary of State, to whose de lta:inn ist the subj..•t more properly belonged, would eon skier whether MIMI: of the instructions could not he modified. Ihe motion am Shut :weed to, sad the Detains were orden.d. I'I:EVENTION OF OFFENCES BILL Lord cihrirc;ding of this bill, obx•rred ti as there was no objection he believed to tin' 'etned nialneK, and we he protwrwol to refer the bill to a sel...Lt committee, it would be unnerev.ary to detain their lorelvhips by any lengthen. il statement. Ile would merely olm.rrr that lie. own juticial caperience since he hurl Ilia the bill upon their lordMips' table, had still more strongly I-online..4 hint of the urgent necessity for tatiag niate measetri s for the suppreeMon of those • id - crime with widen he proposed to deal. lie espy.- • ref,tred to those burglaries which of late had been unhappily so ft...juin% in the rural eh:arias within about to. wry mil of the inetropoli., which were generally tr ib il by gang., of men, the scene of whose depredations est. 0.:..1 over an tuv.a of some tifty or silty miles. It ap peared that it was the prat tier of these per, ens to me e t to. prettier and convert Weir plans behir. hand, and then, at the d ad lOWr of the night, foice an entrance into the house -oat, after laming violence to the inhabitants, tarry MT their plunder. and separate, some of the body pro ci...nry to London to di.pme of the property, and on the f.dlowi,l4 they to pert again in some hiding-place they thought a uri. and divide the proceeds. 'lbis species of °those, ha 4 lat. become my common, that it was highly diri o rable. For the security of her Majesty's subjects that Mi ng digit. minvort- Mould hi• taken for its suppression. This bed moo upto the principle that preveution was latter than t are. A. the law now stood, if a man were appre le nil. d, mint v....1.t0n keys. entre hits, and other Copie s/0 al• 114 11.0 W, ,W 1111114/, 10111101 upon Trim, he could nut be puni.lied. Umber this trill, if a su.pect..l person were taken up omit orb Y.:rerun...tune, ' hr would, all conviction, i.e bald.. h. iinprivionnent for the first offence, and for the second t" I: insportation. From information he had lie• hmi every reason to believe that this wo▪ uld operate :n u material check on the perpetra tion of • ich "If int.. Another material part of the bill ma. the 'lain.• which referred to the use of chloroform wed r stupefying sub-toners. lie proposed that parti. • u.ing mseh means to stfert robberies and not acct. rdo.g, .lnient not be merely held guilty of a "Made inrabour a. at pbwent, but that, whether the rubber, was es, ..r WV, CO: Mere ay.r of the chloroform in this way should Is. a crow., and the party committiug it he punished serorlinitly. (Ikar.) TM- boil was then read a second time and referred to a select Cominitter. I'ASSENIIERS ACT ANIENWVIENT BILL. Th.• r•Wrt is' this lull with the A.uslislasunts haring been SEM. d to, Thar loittLO:iis adjourned M a quarter to 7 ii clock. !MUSE OF COMM()NS.--Fiuma,Alto' 14. The Se LA t twit the chair at 4 titlark. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Boraxu E t ittao.—Duitike ratite Bill. (•.\ I.lsnoxiAN it AMWAY BILL. Mr. r nuived the wrund reading of the Caledonian Garukirk, and Coutbridge, Panne 1..•.0aa, &e, noel row, tinuation. 4t, hilt Sir IL INtilitt nhived, in an anolillinent, that the bill be read a odd time that day 'al month,. Ile said he had to din...* ur indirret luton,t iu the IM-AMITC, but he felt SIS now as he 'lid lug ,ear, that the bill pro on a very irregular fallacious principle, and that it wait in no way tatitliAl to the favour of the home. After wane iliacusaiva, t I` i '