The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-17 00:00:00

modem . s h e I mams of their issertituesto slam they d t same ermspe•ding advents's. hear thee, gored EMI 11 1 w°4l ge t the sehmltmei Menet rm.., goers benefited, whet wee the admit of WS ... J . - t ea l s !, w k.* of Maim ? It wee ti=l stimits• Dn a, sa w:4mM that • new lenses elf wee to he hy MISS of whisk ad emilegeg Mime* end -D' re to be neseiSled s Mewled. wit united. And etas** .• - was iris the whop ? Was this the way la which their rand l e s e l v ehtheiellt 111111111.111 ad lismetie eres ommente (Hear.) t r i ssd Med, Week Mat they were destined „, me Murcia ern-thet aam 11•1101161 Prometheus : 1 7.„1 c ol, genius had got the tree stemetal spark by T h. ..e he was to emir the dry hem of ineme aadoembiae tamosi.v condiciieg prismiples WO, a ,Wye. kilisr Rut the My result wes that the tea sad pelt ire were I. be redeeed, sad that his 'militated err , to be doubly taxed. (" Hear," and laughter.) The e.lit oe. send, itilla the Seeming et State for the Hem l i s p bad given the right ben. gentleman • lose , seu e be thou e rht Last surfeit sad sicken his for a long tine to come-ttaughter) -bet ha confessed it sounded to hp very mach like • fouvrel dirge. (Renewed laughter.) me Oi to. meant, Ole shiest. la Melia ha seat hiesaart, esselalt a.brie *me. (Laughter.) He did not believe the right boa. gentleman vou'A ever have brought forward such • financial wham as bit that he w in the unfortneate position of having ea t c.romi , i.s to serve the purposes of the moment (Hew.) The richt hon gialleman, however great his genius, and sa lanit,l his capacity, could not exiset, is dealing with so rompliciterl a se Nett as the finances of the meats, to "gal, every eight of the 00111alantly. It might be 4 to , he obliged to admit that the particular WNW whom they h oil entrusted to do some great work hod fade& ion, on It was always unpleasant to admit that MN it was wroug ; but they could not lay the &MANS arctioti to their was that they were not much in error en the present occasion. Ti.e right hon. gentleman took the whole vacation to ponder and develop this new system of tleallee. The time of incubation passed by and the period of delivery arrived, lad behold the result (" Hear, ha. - and laughter.) But he did lost believe tie right e o gentleman was capable of producing such an abortion sr this. He believed that the child of his genius and ie. vestedi was strangled in its birth-that certain old ladies end d , cton were ealled in, who, seeing that the babe which the right hos. gentle :ran brought forth was °touch gigantic sad monstrous proportions, they strangled it at its hunk k.saghter)--and substituted in its stead the rieketty bad. o,g *hien the house less now called ups. to = • Hear, hear," and laughter.) He had Milli in the of the right hon. gentliisas„ and he beamed the time *sold yet arrive--though a good dad mai M get rid of Wore tit eavae-(laughter) -when the right lemr.geetisem• wok' show the highest genius and tatedigesee to the meat.. mysteries of (blame, as he had showed that he wee so civet sinister on other eidillehl. lief.) After inertias to the eS.ei of the lime tax es the latatiVit, be concluded by stating thet la the twe leedia r = tures of the budget, the rendein of half Oa mil duty and the it-1A . 1,14n( of the breese las, he Midi see SW wig hot mischief. The tsars le is tespesed 111110 WAS sL tvuotertialaneed by those renollbil rat geeelMiteed r at Setting fiew against close; led moo Imo as am. 'Tending addition made to the has and welfare of the great bode of •he community. (Mem) Mr_ lIITESI DE, referring te gegainente urged by Sir It_ Ceckhuni and other has. memo s at the last debate, upinst the extension of the ittooso IM to fended property in Inland, &leaded that maraca upea legal grounds, be lieving that if such a course was really a breath of national glad Cdth, it must be fatal to its entire hadget ; at the saw time he jvcitift.il the exemption of the land of leased pus the set. Adverting to the arguments of hon. nanahme • other points, he defended the budget generally ; and s e,th regard is the bouse•tax, dwelt in forcible terms ups whit be considered the anomaly of allowing so large • b edg of men as the ten pound householders to wield *ISM peer, and at the same time contribute nothing to the 4001 taiStion r ( the country. Lord N KID emplaleed that Soothed Midi be a. suffer. r through the peopmel measure, WWI wig Erased rip, eially to quiet the English laymen whips governenent him deceived with Wm promises, mad Sabi* the laughing stock of every clam of society. • Colonel !MAI R denied that Scotland would receive any her jury Iris the re , adjustatent of taxation, and believed, es the contrary. that the budget bad been very favourably OF mired in that country. MOORE midi a vehement atteek i t goeernment for the propositios of what his • Wee sad (moduli nt meager, with regard to Rohe the opinions not only of the people, besot Os httti kids and rotlemea of Ireland ; and if the Mill lonbone pre their support to the government, they wesid test he tigttly representing that country. With regard to the Meet geserslly, he believed that the =Minors were hiewr is; the trumpet of political meow bemuse they wore mend to drew the sword of refine'. MU PEACOCK. while supprirtieg the moieties helm the boost, disagreed with ether portions of the budget. The meow tax, if it touched 'reload at all, alma he esteadid to the land ; sad as ter the ark tax, he repeal 'rigid benefit nobody; or, if it was otoolisood a tememe of tar cultural relief, it was a resmarre of mold oppllsolloo sod of a local nature. • F. EAKIN° t' SOL a ye ar, and that in the& pooperties • man maa ena paid s, l fa hie hors Bat was that the - ore ? If a with IM Moms if HA sqoi. • year kr his besee, did hi pay la, • proprietor ? What dids than with Crilir; is ear pay • his - house ? Did be pay li s 4lll. spa P or did a maa with 111.4001. • year pa 2,000 i. •year for his hems? Was these asy i yeeparlies bateau -Bat runt paid me their thaws between the _bialrae sad a. m dames P He nue say th at they bed theft blt eisgslarly is dark with regard to !Resales es th• deans of the =He Mr F. Herbs) bad tabss tam temble is isto left is mud We this esbyeat, 'tie be weed MIL Tip teseld take a wellksewo ease, whisk mesnal Wl* Ow brow elm was first pat ea. It was the am of gnaw* • well-liaew a urge house, almost • palm" new Steetheaka. He wee mid that a hoses Ma we. ea income Seth and that It was • toss wlt'ait ought to be paid is to • man's income. Bet what was the OW ? Why, it war rated at aot. • year. He t kid that it sat an unfair rating or aa aceideat ; wae sot so, for he believed that an appeal wee with the rate sad the ere tried, gad it wee end that is those enormous louses so nate of imprimis amid ever be got, and that the proprietors said be 'Mimed to any ass who maid take the houses eel beep ism a repair. He had Were list • rams re to beers in Haespekire, whith wee among returns obt4sal Is nth and IW, ai d wbieb showed the unfair amities of dm Mw tax. Under the hand if pirate houses in Hamelin were to be Mal the hews of two dabs', one marquis, three earl* and Ma Yak besides those of • smithy memos. Med Mere wee esly me rated at 11401. s year aad tweet * .is ha the the returns of the two towns of PwOemNaM sod Moeller , ter, in the same county, and taking thee* hat tit ofpri- Tate individuals, but of trade r•—•=,lltree Ime s it world he found that ono of them wee et SOL, while the highest rating of • country gestheasn's house wee 2404. The mat highest of these leas wee rated et 300/., while the nest highest eesntry gentleman's hems wee rated attlibi. The third home I. the tows was stadia ossalamssot as that at which the third ememy gestiommes home be had takes wee rated. Taking, theesiere, the rites paid by the country gentlemaa and that - by the as. in trade it would be found that the highest used atea ia Made paid 1201. • year, and the leas bullet goopargar NI. alum Led yet he was told, and strums* were mod be Mob that the rent of every man's house was is privation to hit income. There wets great objoetiege to the miallew tos, and some of them were of • ea aeons ; told be we. bound to say that the repeals/that was • gomt hoesil But the relief was mainly gives te the great Isom is the country. T bat, however, sta. set Sr ease with the boom tat. aad yet that was the as whisk on seismal es ha Seabird. There wee • pest difference betimes the Wm pill by • gestlenea for kw town house and his soustry beam s and when he moved from Balgrave-sepeare to his plies is the country he paid very differently in properties be his leseeme. (Hoar, hear.) He sow cams to a twain es whisk he wished to say • few words, as be diland is akin with respect to it from essay of his friend/. The boa. weber for Kent had alluded to an opinion eavessed by Nee (dir F. Dario.) on a former °cession with raped to tin Meow tax, sod be wee still of that aisles. No ems ed minks dors dist if the Meccas tax was to be a vameeent tax it ought to be aseassidered, to order that it might be made fair, awl that them world be as bomb et faith is tam's( the thiedheldier Wail themes were hided* mod be mad for • rarities gemmed by as hosemehlo blood of bit I, Mai attempted to regulate the tax. Hellop skstspbies he bad easftrely esemidered the peomelem al gire *ht right Ma. pottemas, in order to en if It ImM hot to malt. It wee so me te my yes twedd make nil= la betweita Weems derived Hoes isheitty mad Perlflin hot be Amid like to WO the yin by whisk it was We be smempliebed. He wasted to ale the peissiple sa whisk war hems tee was to be leed. He theakt that the sensor of gebedelee A, mil wed C, ilissid be get rid of- for, however woeful they he is the sew ties el the tax, there was so peiodgle aesteMed is them. Ink mord to the own pospessi to be takes by the goommeest, he doubted whatimetboy were wain • rest e--at Met be we amisool tha If Mom rem bide= were agreed is Is • ammittee of ways sad mass it mold mot be altered is the bill. He doubted if they ware Maio' li with the boom (Chem. ) I. desk ha ltd est at ell esetesd ibis sew : as a d jg"i. hed *imp beloved = al is • ewe . deposiod se meek sma esieims, the whole =t ed deletes oftams shish weld fall ti i, if W 4 porgesiox, that be mold opt d bow they amid epee_ to a psymillas Mks this is smeotimee time it was Ms ewisomstift that that wee to be s deal esitiodem (Oblese.) Is wised has. gentlemen how w" mad ea this emeeiss I die it was semi* that they sid sees ham to go to dm& esomitsesis. (" Ob,, sb. It wee absurd to moppets that • beim like this amid go as. The CNA/W)LL= of the ZXCREQUZIL tires nee mpiteelid—Aftee foot WOW mitiaiem, essdemal by mew Wes met emeldsrable meststiess to Mit her, spa the that I bare lakt apes the Mel at the iamb. am rise to rimless/1 the gerammem. (Lend mioie , thssio) dad U is my obeerestiese, width I Anil E: se moth* moderns es I as. I emit awkary; =CM Wood= *et lsve besb mei @OM Minims. I hope tart do esemdttee will ameribe tbst a isadrerwswe awl IP - - - Zig= tit r. .....- -- rose with about twenty other hew. now - : -.--; _- -- 4 ....•• 1 te "airs. • Boman l as ....._„. --. 7 . ben ea the oppnition leacher, bat the right how. baronet &of that. mom, mama willt all ills teseset sad gle on bo n t i mi isinumas mss," to mob the a lt o.• emotion that were ealwrally die to , sash wards ism web mei we dot. be possoided to inns, that before UP, I boot , baud. widdell e thst sob .la •I 7 aliakor _him he teethed apes the pawl domes of tirtbsd ha shard eoessistell7 imili fob: e t e r es _., _ 9 noommliboll._ b deem the Wee In • lbw srmore rum Or Week of it God I as I. m"... _MO._ ...__ theySW 11"11_,_.°18, wheel mere lerstralike WWI Is this deporresst of do = dm le tastes to tee al" wee are WWWN. Tebbe amigo with able ha was dart memsetod. He al- aad gloarT• (Lewd *Wm) Ia was add' aided, of room, to the . sml anomie. is the law es fatee irlalimme of the Owe lire es 7riday rill Ix side ie favour of the knelt It wee admitted sweleaseiwes le was • newel eileiblell.,_ et the _._ by the right boo. geuthaill Chissellor of the Baer- tbe Pestesseed i end lea owellele vowel e wag vier that that interest WI abaft bass Wird to the as- tile saw wed welt were etwelN . it wee ler Net of 1•20,0001. rear by diestiese whist' bed bees made dial to edhe - I log wet all It in straps-abut IL 10 at to Trio IT wee sad he odor newt dorm la the tbe "s"" 1111 " 6 . 1 . 21 . 2 " w"....." 1 /"" •"_. __ sumac law. ; and ems Meg isreet, Meeigaii, o t o m ono of the aim expeadiams and the Wes mouser W t aut., ' cou ld a tt ac h ip ie s kw (H om o serrated teen in revere of the mat yeer"esil if Thu. with regard to strain, He WS *MOAB of the tbs Pm immeeleghtelY Miming i ned I ile• ea rum bon. geutlamus e but es eio ern* is its budget b io wee ins taw WM k that wen tweed se isholesliele 02 1 4A tot state what hod bees dose by revise grorweste llwelwaset el whet I eletreed- II" Ilell el thot.__ A ,ldie" co this poiat. Tai his. memiero pa r imoosoo t b e d em s Mei 61/1111111111111111m isimaitall Whim to Woe wren mho to tee late pverosmist. The &Pet ball boss I Mt that they WNW I . l l ir the soniti&X ior Polifini loisel late by tlw Admiralty, sad a piss by most raptor le Walla ~ ill tilt beeer.Wele wheth the dentate of the navy lee alms wore to they sheen pare le !IL: ogm tilt a ingela _time row whes lisperst - wowe parearmied o sad this wile the o yfeeletlen, ei see_ beetegd o. .__ 0 ° elle. the llama were le be islisene is the - sdadral of tit eta- oloonlog mu somoomoo 01 &&& I UP. Teen were, ribishiedly, arum la the wren of wow, la the isle BIM . tabbies_ se _Mit te the _ .a:vade. but they had bee in a gnat wesenee award. I reels iii w tee meisiiiii them &writhed= era.. _ e __Ewelmeeell.R. The right two. testiness iertakily bed lardeee Ws of tbi two yew dos Ems boo s "dm rate " 011 •11.1 OM the its gevereleewt, he he to tlawis se revs I nil address myself lees of all to the two trigelmil Wm tit where wanly. Bat wee set the dewed of In wiftlinviara lef .se 7 iffeeww7. sad et in WM that . _ itippiap iaterew. H. (ilw Y. Baehr) bed nearod a so- I lieserweemeso., _weisw___._have hajt.__won.,_ ll 7, 6 l . __ . . ll llet song, in whit ► b the eldipplag interest had asked fee a re- hesi- ow wwwws Ist "s'es4Zok woad). tomb of the WNW et selvage, bat they did sot To I wit speak of Mat no ef w ask that it arid be eatiray renamed. The UAW 60 sire of sepayamesti, I eked the lame l i i . = this for manage was a elan. It wee eitabliond simi wed= es port of the ways air mew sf lie ll boa " 4 sat up 60 • and wits papery au lag pet. alai ammo we at ems ingional ISMre right and, the Wise bed 10 mash 'right to hio Were uMe bee. tee Wit to es Underity Band err if the propity. He did sat pretest to isomefin (W. bladutss4 It w seeded lea belesel j e wad Is • with the *A the sof right hea. petneas ; bet than Was somewhat unweeni- ( ehoors he spare welt area in whisk it would be oasis, after a swinient themeatary Er mase-(elisees) -by the Ls. madmen hid ressmill Weir kw threads; at the elek of hi eh, the seembee Br WNW fore him to deprive the Wee of be weft so mama (Near bear.) oliosnareso rs: h s io ‘ R e :ir, dotit his spunk ha sillememid Let the sow lis mininidl i bi le Alei li. Wig) bed at- bimesW No lief. __ 111 ".) ; Cla___, __, ll . 61 10 8 3 0 "...,! tempt.l OED Nu b a d he ►t I t wee set wary of aterbilo • ileewewee - • reel letaerdl I. " t:... sorban of Begird to to deprive the Wee of lerootilloreil wile smasteres sad with the earearge tie reward of his write. The elan mind W law, whir doge d mantis as the Win bed OT•11141. atel the right ha. gestisser_pormed to get eid el kby lie aims logia. He eareged spin ft mei OW am order o f the Admiralty. ele bred that word set be tlrlsaswom mini we set obseend is the mark If the dot ; for if the erre was hid net enough the law are et git W. /adman Me wane it lir II alif ham the Urbino Marshy will sot alien hies to e ms Oder eh* hod is lb• arehrill e st og rf o re Mow I. it row.' raw peat diseirost ; at be Pasted It the MOM: sad oink we sewed W pat c.o. was to be get rid of net it wear be der by • law WI tea wan art Rallis. Mom three gloat Wit& sad that the reepsweibility word set Is th rows en *ha' km berelle_t elwallieed_ Ile baelleite___ thwejtllL '111" "etllle kla.ralty. He MOM 01111 term lis the rest of the how rell low 1001100 • •am •• 561 " ,' holm Ile would est mew what had hiss said by Se entassedir af the lenbeipse Wird in No In, Win teen oa his side it the hew. In resod with what bed limseely, I woo West trust the hew at the awn roes beet rod by hie eight hoe. hint the wombs, ie ha open ; bet win* he did sot span este a IspiA It Halifax. rid the right W. parser re somber he the is kr mit saw fe War Mot ashpet is • meow whir I "mil l of Csmer , daselia mod leiheles dads@ ea die west, if the ormillso will gin me, as I desk set they hey dry, mid the r.dselfw of Minn malt tam, whisk' NI aim tbs. often • prat tad kW slisien would madam little Writ ;WI he thessio that Ms ear- (bed eissir-erill 40I1W 101 to Mow this It is s:es astimpated by the Mrt boa. primma was of a eery of • very dilitemil sharerer and ampleres imattel asters, meek of whisk dreaded in the Year tar that whisk Mom aseselliss ban se sta rt being at se esd_ , _. sad that bese of the Wow Waft nog% to New the ammitles se believe. tub the Irish kailbeider en a Wert ef pubis allh i Mon me two paistit is lie WM. bliss is. Fir wet I W m the whathe Writ Arno eight boa. gmlemss *IOW is vessewring list Mistalikimmems is Wam proposed to lien WW insane of W ewer la aYeaMeeed be WOW T if I we jwslain fa wears a state ma lew should. With roped to the nom tax, thet,erm I Jurist is tso that a ?mutest eats boon tax, foe it woe very easy ear any one to say be inn Ws theirplato ta the IMO 111011111 wit is wear of ea Were or a bore the ilme imam bein r. I tram I ban Wed the ildely. *IL hut they mast Or at the Iseese tax ad fflir s i I mar he a mama sirout, Writ WNW, _to hour the tat. • _rani sad hissed garkwe who Wm M Ole deprossee-fte dispereasst of amp Fab. tin • early is the deists W ear Met it was lie W lass Oirshelii. I Warmed whim I billet i ramtituunal plash* le Weed the WINO In 10 10f. spin in this sistise In It he In might is householders, as even we wee had a vale Wail nearer emedy the reveres of thaw mint whir It sow attar' to direct tazatioo ; if it were no direr Intlism sad the In It wet wearer by erste while so loupe emir. At relit to vote retool. Bat the W. beriestion is Ms peen those berg • worm ird • disks, toure. bad se v 01.., and what thee Wow of Me ass- ef stplid o lie Mar weir liao watry brae stautowul prisciple ? (Hear, bail BM wee that tie seinsly Morns& sod hises it ear which the right br. pethreass laid dews is his song% Ilat NNW ef lanes bolsi ieasawi budget f That was as thim eril. Tine right W. pair- and sited by Siam mom mil milieu who saw ait sod that he proposed to err the bosom tan dews te wddesly dlebsaied. rho goommatiot of In day felt Pr boushoPtere, set bowls be had partionie imoy in this it area visoussa to I aka we. elliedve sad lola householders, bat beeentee he was try's. se kr psbhe green memo of d osiellelle that ounflo& Mir ' opinion by degrees ea the subject. He demob* thane wee no ia a state of won, mimes espied was islidest. 'ern why the tax should be baited m Ile boneobeldere. had therefore they open to nem. It le mot so if the prioeipla was laid dews that divest WOW we to weary for in to astir ire • as Is tibe prig d he tamed to its after unite. He (eh F. Bring), he each a meassikr Pena* ping mesostiolo mg sit one. we. not for WOW M direr se WNW losstion ; bat approve at It I weary elstratts rho okmentassie is he thought it wise set to Orr direst Walks as. far, fee meat, this'll they may sat bar awwewr.d of No we lean of losing whet they bid. imi hie MY 4011110101 that if have been need to haw recourse 43 ai • 110041111. HO too large a body win 'minions the doss In, or my under this iimpossin this ershileiwat we isolid, sot ether direct tea, it weer weer greet wiltrawioe la by Ur"' astir if 2llll is 11.." by ille healed the publi c rind. He bed set amirsall the new raised newsy. sea a sip loyed not Mary tint 1 * sii tea ; but ha Wed ft sold by arum pidloophere public work.. This sysliße n ost es. Am; thisk Nei* 11, teat there WW be es at. es nek. If IS &e t W pan ; nearly SWIM= of en Ws led boss herd. limner. but W ell Moe rigs 1110 i put mother is a Wee, end the Inehrsor Bilis hal letw need he rat .thi, _ a it re mid although lire ought to be se duty es purpose were set of so valuable a Wren is Br what wylo•e _otaterlolo, yet that is the aim they Ira the onlkaary Baelhequer Bills, swill k was Mood we mod • home, that re the very th ea right to be wary or atersiest to erminethe sperm Is tee et These thenespitses ons arid the si0111•004, sea par 1842 as ormat WSII •tars of this fend. It t . i_ brad bow, saw, aid w es, ern set to be Ord, sad appeared at IW We that Ia read Webers the hot "' hed. nes hard wenompre solid semeserse of life ; sum of three offline bad bra raked by re Bills as an a law a neoneary ef Nib i (Hear, boa.) He then Lard, an M the eau two rinse had buss paid r aid an may of these Anemias . if a Wears a men at, tad el. ow of 1 .0 4 6A1M mitred illielliid--b I u t •od est • sommery of life. (Hear beer ) He may um she -earth* dirt the sllllololoa. a ell h e fled to bow if the agriculturist =our like to Pais this by eat of JUIN'. wee hare „._. a tag ea 1111s4wIlleet It was ern the right Mot ris=e Well 781. a tho wee "'' Pollens (the emissary far the HOMO t) INlMlniike, la the 111110 ir ep 1401110 11 40111 Of tliot the bore tax we as ketone tan, and that it veiled wow to Ohs .male of a per 11401 she massib r f m a o ling to • na's issome. But wee Ws the Ms f Woe Mad. The ow we nos Is deal wile Is is 1,,,,,, ( a ,___Y• Bating) litioly dared it-he weld brag ow ef ~., fee by a War sat ansopmest MIK b e ___,_`""'• "t Mt welsh would, he Minght we tits to lie 1110 at - belied *sly, fee c . 1 .27,°" 4 7_, GE Be ward We thi work; is/ Irk ind I de sat peeper to deal. I 'C o — " " wee AIM honourable pademen, that have pet beim the hew deist, Wm_ dr Moen nose el • 101. bemehrior might he minded at ' the right Ism Wert the member foe Vern bee there ge WIN% eg thebegatof thie feed. =t o t MOW seess. ths bee esiggied he ped 5air.: . ,... 1111 % " %int1e t wi t e e lli eldth bl e ; I am ewe be mum have easiest them ban is ethengsse—the mess el this 'Seen Moss perhussasse .1 W duty I do ass WA at this seleset shod* be &gee. OIL Mr, las Ming to Wok dint,as to es the unsold sod these MMus Mon wogs ossessed. Cr:e kw e s : B Mele Is the adabileglies et thae o l v ett Ono Os Mr► esellessy, I seg i a l t h hey hoe ihnoshoodth i d sal otagrity. Tho that hes. seedgme hoe Mend es teed to she paths loath Agesnieg to the sight hes. pedsgem bridals were built. Made mhos erected, per a fgh loressel- Sit J. GlithliAN— TM wood wail Is The CHANCILLON al the IMAM lA--Well, en larged. He talked Kra thed eiseentieg to the Meth of rho leaded OMNI, ad at the teearthet weld be deo if Ibis asthma* wee dhows. Mee were they to de ? " Why has be Mond the ?" said the right his. "astir the with ledipsdes. " set a ening hes begs list—why lobe MOO thin ?" Now, sir, •AM of this Muse Meg it ose Osenaties to bs side Midi should set he essiterth This hod proporied to Ind men at • thr rata i of litlesest lima the rate prtm M iliog what is W socket Acording to the right hon. gentleman 1 Om Ise Halifax, this was in order dal Si gamy market night set be disturbed. The Mrs of Si Loot Fend were them, that be A sedgrbdins is whisk • pelt was names& = asst. shethi Os charged, sad for all usdertakines Is t was sot (endorsed, 4 per co t . osdy abseil be sirether a llow the lint sound coseensoos of say do pelmet le d ing mossy at a higher rate than tits sassed rate Is the may mast is this, that first-rats seamilimi mill met apply to them. Fins-rata emaritias will not pep II oft 4 per seat fee mosey, if they esn get it forgo lii ; Mil If per funds are easplayed, the asses la that your mew* Ike an ascood•rate. Well, sew, sir, I have here mph hthessaties as to the smear ia which them Made woe as repede the sountry gontlemen. I have no Mtio .d eater into say details to show that in many Is idro's these admen seed sot to lave bees wade, and nightmet to have bees oath. At this most the cowry l: are act applying for soy pest snow of this the reams whish say sight Month the theretary of State Mood to last NW% smely, that they game othed le pay this brat • rate of Moo Has the Mesa= to this domain has soling to do with the saliget of the swim to whisk the right hos. gestlems the member for thelish has adverted. The question is is of • noes thent siosster. sad sow, palm i tin Alillaaittaie .will 1 permit me to Wens them ander w drimmeftwom, sad by what my ciliation was deem to MI hem test I found esrsvofag the obits essesate of the sonstry, a deparmst—asd • department of a. peat mark--with • ogy Lap Wants of the pub& massy—a balsa wessolog when it list drew my attention, _ _ _and I Mine at this nouseut, to upwards et Ithethl.. Lag, I believe, idle. Weil, there is se Mein lop balloon of the public massy, lying w p b a theethe in eat financial state, Melt ought sesesethd. (Hear.) But I fool that with Woo there was a law is Moses that every rof the year ismased this fond by • sage of 90,0001, t . : sun pit to Iniesd. It was therefore la tat to inquire why as lows • Ohm remiend ve, what was do shiest of Oh Moo what WI Ws dated by this= li m ed what night be the essenume of this land Is this mate. The right heat bassos said, is • moose he did sat is say way geslify, aed was He the hods of his egged if set of bh aspeoent, that ege edge. shifts Ine Ws last; thet oft the same nog of the gossent sem he gee*. MI et the MOO Si esestry podems led hoes bmiltserr i Z the beds bud Mod is gads tad Merged our Mew led utter thirty yams *enflames er am get • shilllift Med • en, has begs losa, why does he iisildle Mk it I" New I Rost Moo the loos that the right hes. 'OM Ms , is tau Masse Mom thee be pee le the losose NAM all the most *mast lash. Hear. bash) I dish sot that if a fang hod bees aadrusbd My le alio vapid lawiasisablassa of the dm god hell= Moth to by the habit leo. "seams, denlst e = des woilty plume the eight km olsoss sell MOW o the sole Abet of he p Monssent. I dens set tho dtholls there Meet ken bees ma mossiceal job uswilthlly poweenited e esd ea comelossi bad security in advartaatlyjabis. se vary Mess esessomoss woad len elapsed. the with as emesiont • feed at their dlr. peal, there we aseshar pm besides the respeetable ossisdense. god the bode have been employed ler par pen eery dillbesst bets these of my has. Meads oar so the man pathless seliogised. With these leap Is- Isms. WOO Imp Mods. ember Mums his istudnel. shish way nab MOO ase et do M. ego has hos dsmns Ms Oohed epos it to . by We ell Om h debt ow swanks its Wa onlito OM a right Os. es have mesh • hod at kis ammed, and I ego = Bl l7:hi mositto bow emesiost it hos bees to a Wainer to have NO • fund at his etemead—(eheses)—asd I will show to Me eseminso whet &greet minprepristise there has haft et die pads hods of this Immo sno has lees spothesi sew . how within the emorrecae of pedimot. New, than an nu— mete whoa ores the met eathesigstis satelythe Meng le think the MO enheasse s h pein V e ra ; in sole yew • onlstsr ps = so sop rod m* t I so get on Mole. to this perdesler cese—l am the steno sed how these natters an A bill E l Volta . log pothosst as a MOM Me na setredy—• bill aloft the weedepg of a pools Monies, the serro ftt.4l OM. sow le Me mosey. New, of the Methers Lt e rdlesest who have ea eye se a MI et tint set do ma is the boo Mho they wen donee tin ems 7;y, are goes of It. Mb bill feeteins a dose the Leads of the Toren to =sben the MN ohs Loss Pod • ego hy im ee Masse the pe4esee of this essupsy. The bill le pond. sad the polsoless p to Ile Poora i tz ; The sight M. Ms west es to OM thee Thom Toad pnerbially berdi spseddies— lideslved is this smaer, set ow shill4or is o u t Minh " hell us hoes supsil, sad osla f!ill . e . eL by way of Merest The DeStgeso Peak y—• still WON _spegentio--had oohed 141 - 17,.. • sod free WM to 1460.15 e tad sin stela* die. hogesisMs. arnsi d A bse. g essr . lof. even e= 1 :: N Noe • bo il isi — r& — c li p k Mon .) " Why hee oohed is." Ilser gins en the noes why—Whimsy-4nd I the ens will epos. whoever they my thith of the farther al the as for as I as sesgersed, th at as 'ls esy as s a pardies srwiw w et i tli s i r i Ps- I pso " . "Ll Tist We the eWsietered by Goseesse. sad th ee it em Apile en lest le emote, teatimes (losighter.) They OW to bull 111Witia miens as Ape gm. and the Be wean et Stab Mils you that in Wegeseseehire they sea beild dm st I per eget Is Lou beeepothe grebe go gostelsemstogge I have Meath Who the hem the =m2s: 55. 4 hoe sum to the M. Midi es lesdlgagat of the lodges shoed how highs h log asp. it was heeded es the asseopties that there was labor -4 deadest espitel in i si t era ss ego whas W i ns • atheism of labor a%4 a of mini, it Us ism to its Wool rted_ .• .that is the gm with then lame bsismo. Mob mg seenessily be meths by*, isomost thes the AO yo ass set show Ms ogee slowly thee by Miss to ths net Ono's oath by than pith egonakelosen. Then is se lawn ow demod he this, sad pea have to Ism year Masses apes the Irish rally Posh Is iho abet of thinnest state of the Mt as Isfide kthway. white was to hen bas sherd. they lose of a hop as of pubis men, has th e y they will so sen up the lam because they 11= with the geed MOW 1: ft b:: it taw, tthe Memo bun Mgr (Cheese.) V ompo thsos eiresonosse. tbse. I 11. or duy ti. q at ethespose the Mes et Mr espsnaesa. I theg then von see only this mos ef pills mon thses was has the themes seessity why that vote Ostht leet gre as. With the moldnery tiat at pod" SON we Meth hen Man a weak to • away IRMA o gthellet.. Ind this fig pethed whog tereris we hen led Ms able to screw MEW to mess 100,01111. be a Natiesal Gallery. Weil. this. we we to the resobsies thee it this. to Moo the smildsbil fold from this of MAK sad to alga this roshisen, by a Moses mils of path assase las ao jetro. r, le: hose.) Thee the peg* moo to wer we on to de with the seppesees which essay Tsar would sass is who we hod • Mond the haw; and whisk' repayments, I Mhos& we might Mes at 41thellef ois a i s TM we right ee hse.padesses , the amber be University Gotham. OW llei me sol NM the ma essfeelig ems tho hose Soo the Ceogrideled illilli Wth i " the roppoth hi a moor whish wee refthenbethogis es* who is as omens' with desedel onthes. the Most Weed from the Ommilialsol PM is og hot of what the esselph will be itifteepsynent 1 ad us mho* of the baker met be mde has what has bees the ere In pre lim sad do Am meek ether ithemies as soy he Real de depenesssig gemolse meth the lees. TM theissons seises, what sew Wile de With these re morse, Were we to pp this MAK Moths Moses of the Iledroper ? It is et re OEM hopertme that the Mom of the lobesser shodd he high. That le • very imprlsst peed ; loth lho A Moose O the lath woe en seas' * owe Om the below is ths esins erli fie Mhos i gad the moo Me will wen to Me Mg the betimes et • privets perm with his basher. Whether husk with Moan. Domes& or with the Desk et MO: the we ser die ether world allow yea say Meese is per Woos. Therefor*, while its oftweary I. hoe a es mph, sad • Willailaa Woo it Is thieve is mesa* um (Hear, hear.) The othighles are met hesegthis to Mktg a othisat ead they have me hid dews rules seCte the some et which it Meld mat i Oil there h • Wit- Sabi pslat boned OM they sod* It h met ingoodiest this est Ohms should onseme. Now they state tined cm Moses have snivel ge *twist leg yo ; sed the *soot time they have =seeded It. (Hoar, kir.) We 4 ins the year ISO, 'lib an oseptise of so year et , Tr ailzposted visiselbudas, they lave been wry thee the is gesswooled by the AO the pent ef le h ihh. that with hi r l essoples K' • nag as mit, thso he savor hues as a = tikteeiseed it semen to receive say god that whoever divides& have le .• to to Pli seLe tb re gil l s TM:a% 0 lemon le meta say onessity that • 1840, no empties. who •no 4Za • on to s dthelesey that mese from e r THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING. DECEMBER 17, 1852. eillethe, we have sever hen loathe lite seensity if appealing. sir beakers. (Cheese.) Well, sit, the son agree tea will enderstami that if the 400,000 L had hese paid hate the hainees of the Itmeherease, it yeah! , in the preseat state of sad., hams hen kat Mks kekkg up that 400,0001.1. an hen shin (Chess) There it would have Ma lannabia, inn, alai table. (Hear, hear.) I nue walk elk the madam sapell to peados my he manilahaste kis pertimiktio ON' downs i'l la"" are sot well n sees to the hem. The Whammies is meet to myself, for I was not hems • Chanel., of the Exchequer. (A laugh.) I an ems ef the pediment., rabble—(laughter)-4., MMs .is re dmenerier whir have bees sane, I Met that hen nenhase will see that I do know semetking Nast It. (Cheers.) Will, then, It was quite Iles that the sink hen amber for Kalifs: was not la Men el Nit 46,6881 . . be* paid lab' the ha' bloom a the 22211/18. bat the eight bon. gentleman waken. that. ile to redselag the debt of Eat land. New I de not *et to that, beenes it is elitirMY the view of the Remanent (Cheers.) The original tranaction bags. with 1,006,0001., namittlli the Etsb• l l l ln ball .1842; and it will be messiest to begin at that date, shim, h dam was a small suss funded before. In that theyea; then, the satioaal debt was is ; and, saps right hes. member foe the University, Jou ought te defray that anent by the repayments. Well, the. the right benumb. patina= (Mr. Gladstone), me well as the ban. member far Halifas are against the .am being paid late the balsams of the Exchequer. Let se minim this quake of the rennin of the debt. Now, upon this subject there is a very great !gamines prevaleit even is this hens. I have hese asked myself, "What do you leave for the technics of the debt in your flitansial scheme ? Yes have left nothing." But the mode, the method, sad the steam by which the siskirig fend Is put late operation and by whin the public debt is liqukla.ed, does not dep end sport the will of the Laker, or upon • vote of the me of Common (Hear, hear.) It is provided for by the legislature. The law has perheribed the method by which you must reduce the national.... Tiler. is only one mode of doing it, and that meth is this :—Tbe law has prescribed that every waner an &cosset shall be taken of the income sad expenditure of the Trenton ; that the surplus shall be merman; sad that sue-fourth of that surplus shall be instantly devoted to the liquidation of the public debt, sad to set the sinking had in motion. (Hear, hear.) This is sot la the discretion eta Ingle House of Parliament ; it I. • law inexorable sad peremptory. (Cheers.) It te totally impossible that you on down the debt sad et, salaam you brin eat g mosey into wan and re mesas It is only when it eaters into the belesess that a surplus eat be ascertained, sad that on-fourth of that surplus era be appropriated to the pansies of the debt. (Cheers.) I till show you hew 1 ken seen ea the debt, sad the way in which I have reenimened parMamest to deal with this 400,0001. repay ment of lens. The bones will perhaps meek this, that en surplus for the swain( year is • mend oni. I hat 400,0001. will some in, the mosst of the keens and sa p...item takes at the end of the Ant quarter of the Sem -2141'. The surplus is 400,0001.; and a gnaw of that far the year is isusedisitely devoted te the Moo ds. of the debt. (Cheers.) Toe sass openstion takes pleas la every three maths ; and, at the end coke year, the whisk 400,0001. will have ben devoted to the reduction of the debt. (Chaste.) Ia three years, A things renutin ing *same, end the sense repaymenui eentiaulag to eater lags the Tsaesery, the whole sum of funailimehnetem hill., the slaw or sessey, would be liquidated aed paid fee the ✓eention of the debt. Then is no other way in which yea en set upon the public debt ; and If the ematittee with the two eight hen enigma (Mr. Madam and Sir ttheeles Wee. de set approve of leaving the moan as an lams helms in ea over fall exchequer, and object to the se.. whisk I take, there is no ahem:tin The law has diddled It. (Cheers.) I have recommended, then, the sonntittes to put an end to • disastrous waste of public money. (Ches..) la the second place, I have relieved the sessobdated fun of an nasal papas. of 3,0001. • year; and I have laid the foundation of the reduction is the fourth year of the public debt by 1,000,0001. (Cheers.) Now, sir, I think that the mune has seemed • very thanes as t. (Loud sheen.) Bet this is oaly on se conn el what I have den. Lit us is. what the gnat asehnities have eNd apes this sallest. Hitherto as I have pet *sear. tho merry of the Meer of Career may have hen of eyries that rough I have reed discreetly sad wisely, I have oar eareadietedly. __ But what de the higher eiathentise say ? It I BM • 'sleet erwarittes of this keen the @proud** le inspire isle the pare ammeepr ea et remearemill the rem b whisk the ►kerbs Ma thus elements larks be To that eissittee we are holated for dmst every for.. Oporto resat' whisk are , Fever ; and what wee its nermemeetheisa ? That airatlee, helped as it was of dr mit diergelehed men who la eeneeteatin their setwilien urea dile lane% ipealleany asermainied dial a shies advisee _S seppreate sherd eater into the aunts of Seers an impmmillter•——ead for sit yam afterwards they did asseenngly m e in the public amousts. (gear, hear.) Now, I Isom it will be said that ✓ime was earner eamusittee is 1828, and that they took a dialect Cow af the ere. That dose not invalidate the hi* avithedref the eurrittee of 1822, or deprive me of re pre that / a la i : Is met unprecedented ; but the OW Mame of legg, dry natmanseaded„ r sore rave. moms, that ate ran end repayirate *rid be kept swam*, they added that whenever those st eam Medi be Opp* the repayments should gain be breogit ins the IMO, accounts. (Cheers.) But in INS • law was panel which entirely took the matter out of my discretion The 10th of George IV.,:ehap. 16 declares, the rely w 4 15 whisk the Warr ens as—namely, in defer rers pe libe emerreadmilene of the two committees, to bring the Oat the Weft should be stopped, into the war imi uses.. (Cram) It has been to se, • nem • pukka matter to have to trouble the committee this subject, but I think after the sliorelos beam rude, it was a duty to myself, sad ens to the depirtmest to Which I . belong, to give the kom these detain (Chaars.) Wall. ear, I now . approach tha snood arrait . the right hon. baremet has brought spinet ay thil statement. He says that it was a grams mink that I mule is estimating the deficiency that weal sees, to the revenue from the raj et of the si of the tax. In pheing that Miami bet i rle ll melt emerniier, I amid I believed that la the yea: 18114-2 there would seem a lees from the Stand ran duty ...4 ,,, of 1,760,0001. Tier ben. endure seet he he less mar he ausesically . ; hut he of 200,0001. Met mu it ,Eriait air rade an allewires he dutch herot, amid It alight be take& at 1100,0001. ead Om thh_ peispirenes budget errs perfectly &titres. Me C. viaga—l ve yea credit lees 400,0001. The CHANCELLOR of the =CHEQUER—Now errs I bright here the considerades of the emarnitios the grams et the arise* of the malt tax, I ter that her Illsaware givesereet bed lamed in their area of the ran us the imetrerederies et the etrentre of Baia Insley weird roe by Air H. Pena. That roarer regermedei rat _ whomever there sheer be free trade s re aka, as Ibsen be boil riceelitheed that the teak given to ambers by the ciao sherd be re =.llLew, thisegb the ei i , , , eredit wet three Is rim. snt resiiiith ia and threes ft wee errs =Mt rake same ,I d ie( wins to distort the But seder cpailserata I geope is 1824.5 these will be a anas ef MOAK pat SS the Warm which word sot atherwies her taken plow. Ararrag, tz i that the aeradad bee aa the imaLrepeal ,116:S o be 2 art darker, that, of erne ill would give I she ded•red the whisk the Ma. laser arida her the ... . a. = .l. drarth4e_erti and ben ; ain that perms the I MAIL I milill no olleememe at - arg e learesied _ j_biaLkeinag art free* the tight boa. Wear k bi r tp l.M,Ml. t if I took the data =lBllme by the metbwitir in the Salk the ler ealeturt te • rent ens. (Cheer) If I only teen the hiereeed eenenrplies at 400,0001., the melee weal be 11011,0001., an sr MAU (Load cysheer) list the rah hoc Oaderis (Me. sa Iva h redo isseare Keedimatia Cleel g yea bsra; mmelt drawback. To. have Items airs he r sod you sass he wrong. Now 1 pay 'peal althaties to the visarke ef the esChen. NUM el tbe theibegeer, who have her like beldame raligtherherberan (Leaskter.) En MUT allthelmear Meier rear yea ewe Jeigraeat am the theta whisk are third behee lee. (Hear, hear.) The bier* aught:C -r% whiteharmonise es this sabjer ere vie reel, sad wire dgemie and lergrity et aimemplir ow ses =umber I or imilera iimr der grei SUM. ea nIN. elf des de firs re be patrol haling—theme earthears united ties rearraseadies re to take re-third et the reek es the serer ea ~a the drawback wird bees te be paid ea the Irk of Oeleber. That is, of thorn* of the duly i obi the ear I err nr.srifi to err ea • eery mor Ma IRIS MAU Weil, I took it et AI AK eicilleil. (Haar, her) " But gal Mr. Lowe) why fa era the 10th of Orehr ? Here is the white plee—M re re only AM eat why the neat red apse the 1001 et thlober." I bare Mr - 11 veey rem rani he his aria emseidenble ieheratiee ; sad se re lestral, bemeriag, he syei has thews imirratima mapeiise le rem bar I as wased skis • grams she appeased to ibierghly seater et a er eg rewfag, sad gave seek en_ asat dream 0 re ran . 1 credit te wiali g ehmalf me why tl ear ea Ihe Oiler, re en rse tWeal of the salt ims. aft a had hese me as with *fee reselelleas it was est ran& the ea the salt tax would he pared; yet the pay which I recommended and ma emenesd in Dresher wield, had I net promised a ran t/ma, have paral y sed the trade. Every relater be the essaft7 wield MID raga, (Hear, hear.) It wee abr. Maly aeceeeeey that I !veld marquee a drawback an the Our be hand, earl the eireeraere le the troth gees en Jet as eras. (Heir boar.) The boa. tl with his rerehable imMINIIMIS sheet ng end milting, aught to Uwe thed= the anteent of the duty he Shia dna is hr IBRI Is charged between the sculls er threbee eakgpd. The arequence would be, if I milirtheed a &mirk te be ghee in April, that I 1:2 i be cad ea fee three times the arc s t. (Hear.) virtually sores at the end of May. From May to Oileber it does net p es, but brewing dose go on. (Hear.) The brewer esti upon the stock of the stater ; sad there ilir, ill have le pay a drawback, I pay it ander the most aleargethe oreemistiner at the period when the malting ✓em aria emealaillella (Hear, bear.) And fa fixing tint day I laid the airy day which I could prudently select. (Hear, heat.) Mr. Lowe reminded me that he should expel an sneerer In es reply to what he called a parallel me, obit the 400,000?. reps s of lows My wenn eve wend be this. I should trig the ere of a wend master 0 a Zany, who every three menthe took limelesine li nerr aelp %peaditure sad Wooer, and devoted re ;lZr dab Le s t i l i sgayreat of his debts, a perks by idea nem fee hit see • but his sea, tibia he mans. his repays se, maim then: late the Makin who gave hies the order ; sad the father, ia ' IMad of allewiag the balsams to remain at the beaker's, tithes them into kis gamma amount every three mouths, and with the surplus contributes to the reduction of the debt. (Hear, beta.) Aeolis.: fault found with my budget is this. It is said the Kaffir war has not terminated. In =titsup my opiat es that subject, which I put e& with great humility, I made a statement as to the prospects of that expenditure. I formed that with Irma & re foresee to the dispatch* received by rli e eletary far the Colsaies, and to those addressed to a hesanit at the ferries leader my own control—the commis *slat. And I meet say, whatever may be the result, that I believe a public had was never more ably administered by public men then the extraordinary expenditure for the Kaffir war has hese by the ammissariat. The infer 'Ratios thus naiad, which has justified met at the commencement of the year in not calling upon the home to sanction that vote of WO,OOOl. which had been proposed. (Hear, hear.) I made the statement the other night, that I believed the Kafir war was closed. We he* had more sweat iaformation ; and I can truly say that all the information which has ratchet me has entirely sub- Mutated the statements I made on previous authority. (Cheers.) I have not the least hesitation in saying that the Kaffir war is terminated ; sad the best evidence of this Is that the commissariat department, who ate dealing with the extraordinary expenditure, are winding op their extraordinary accounts, and, except for some casu alties which may occur in winding up the account, they would not trouble you fur any further advances. Another point has been urged by Mr. Goulburn. lie says I have made no allowance for the lam to the permiesion I ant going to accord to refine in bond. It will be extremely inconsistent fur me now to enter into details on that subject. The refining in bond will depend on con ditions which I have pledged myself shall be pisoed before those MOM interested without being previously bruited abort I can only say, therefore, that I did not make any allowance for that lees, because I believe not the slightest lam to the revenue will Moue. (Hear, hear.) It has been ' said that the house tax has bean proposed by the govern ment in order to carry the semi-repeal of the malt tax. I admit that that is • plausible chugs : it is a good party charge. (Hear, hear.) I don't object to gentlemen oppo site making the charge ; for if I were in their position and circumstances, it is very possible I should make the charge myself. (Cheers and laughter.) Nevertheless, it is not the best charge, nor a true charge. (Cheers.) They have no connexion whatever in the origin of the measures which we have thought it our duty to re commend to parliament. fitir J. Graham informed the house last night that I had promised the country a new system of meat., i, but he did not addues any authority for that important statement. I will sit down now if the right boo. baronet wil give me say authority. The goverment did more than they promised ; ail did not promise a sew system of taxation, but fay did revise the system of taxation of the country. (Heat, bear.) We mised it, but we did it. We gave to that aubject a long, an anxious, and • most painful consideration. (Hear, hear.) In reviewing that colossal subject I may call it, the question naturally divides itself into many groups. In the first plat, we had to consider these arueles that en tered into the general assumption of the people, that ware necessary for their healthy sustenance, and that were ex posed to soormous imposts, al tea and malt, on which we felt it was necessary that something should he done to meet the principle of unrestricted competition now permanently established as the principle of our eenumercial code, and in order to assimilate the financial system under which a community live who were subject to the principle of unrestricted competition. We had to consider the whole question of the stamp duties,with reference to those real burdens upon land—upon the trans fer of land—(bear, hear)—which must, wooer or later, be dealt with. (Cheers.) And there is a question of the utmost difficulty which must also not long be neglected, —the question of legacy and probate duties. (Chem.! We had to consider whether it was possible to propose to parliament a duty on inceessimis, which, in connexion with a total reformation of the burdens on the transfer of land, would he sa equitable and just settlement, and one fir the welfare of all classes. That I call the second division of the subject. In the third place we had to consider them stains laws which exercise a pernicious influence upon the employment of capital, and upon the employment of labour, bke the soap and the paper duties. (Criss of 't Hear, hear.") The question of the assessed tans, with the necessary reforms which they require, alone formed a fourth : end we were obli.led to consider the whole of our foreign tariff with regard to our commercial relations with other countries; because there was an inclinatioa on the part of some countries to increase those manneercial relations, and because we wished to enter into *am (Hear, hear.) Thaw was all great subjects— all deminding our attention, with all of which goveranteut mu* same, or !wee deal ; and we had to choose bow to ear meow this arduous effort. There was also another very impareent mean= to consider and to settle before we could donde them as to the first step we could take, and that wee the gawks how far we should prevail upon the country to Ix urea that sum of direct taxation which was necessary to my finistry which attempted to enter into the carter of commercial reform. (Cheers.) I hays been accused by fir Charles Wood of making • proposition which recklessly increases the direct taxation of the country. I have been accused by the right hon. gentleman the mem ber for Carliale—prompt in accusation stall tirats—(cheers) —of pushing direct taxation to a rash extent. These are weighty charge.. But what are the facts? In the first place, the proposition made on the part of the government, instead of recklessly increasing the amount of direct taxa tion on the country, if it month will sot waft so great an amount of direct mistiest se permiled wader tbe oaperin teedeace of the fineness if Ilbe right bus. ganiemen the member for Halifax, whoa be orleyed set only ea hems and property tax, bat a window tax whisk brews* Ma ha 2,000,0001. sterling. (Hear, hear.) nand** Ism gesitle man will reply— but but I was aware taut yes must n th ruthlessly increase direct taxadme-4 Wes leeteme and pra perty tax, hut I took we to redoes 1,960,0001. that I received last year as window tax, and was content with the modest sum of 70(1,0001. by way of commutation as house tea. • (aser, hear.) I cannot let the right hon. gentleman offin that way. (Hear, hear.) I cannot forget that when he recklessly charges me with increasing the amount of direct taxation, he had, even after that commu tation of the window tax for the house tax, a larger amount of taxation than that which I now propose. (Cheese.) Bat Is this all ? He who charges me with recklessly accessing direct taxation wee the minister, who, with • property and income tax to the full amount, and with the tax in addition, au* down to the House of Commens one day and startled it with a proposition which would have nearly doubled the proper* and inmate tax. (Vehement cheering.) Reckless= ! Why, sir, I look apes recklessness es a carelessness of seasequences, as the midis* of a man who did not oust in what enterprises he embarked. (Cheers.) If the right hon. gentleman had carried that duplication of the property and Income tax, I think he might be fairly eased with recklessly ineressing the direct taxation et the essatry. (Renewed cheering.) But the most curlew thing I that the minister who made that pm position, sad volunteered grave home to °then, at the first murmur of the oigemithe withdrew the proposition. (Be. Mrcheers.) Talk of recklessness, *deed. (Chien.) , is the whole o f dna** there is nothing like this mailgrams of the hes. gentleman. (Cheers.) And what was the en which he withdrew the vionstrem and one mews ymptoitioa which he vainly V * St f • Whim le Ms defeated, kidded, sleseete OWN down to the house ad head that be al ellillieient remise without doubling the theme aml peoperty tax. (Prolonged cheers.) Why, =ill at end* it. (Hear, hear.) The future will net he believed who tells that a minister pro- posed to double the property and income tax, and when refused that ha sem down to s p r d at he bed sufficient ways and MOM wftheut it. eltesseet thearing.) And then he tolls me, in wet very sod snares) y parlia mentary language ,_ that I do net knew my business. (Lend cheers„) He may have lamed his business. (Laughter.) The Renee of Comae Is the best judge of that. (Chases.) I ears sot to be We eritk ; but if he as horsed his business. Its has still to boars that =le nth and that therdenes is not i k aM ' ministerial **nag.) Is the he great mote of taxation to which I sod all 0 which demand the considers **, = of this country, I must advert to the great q of direct taxation. There was limed an in- MOM sod tax ia existents for a brief space. It Woe whine that if the minister came forward with antis a Iktejoilien be might obtain a temporary cantina emse of that Wroth though ft was not by any mesas for. ,Ufa. Bat there were peculiar oirennutances econectef with the polities of the ministry and the property and a muse taa. Not llejestre mermen% were of opiskn that the lialli e le s ill4is= be lidera& when the government of ibis • a difference of incomes whin teem permanent r :r dss inemass arising from preen. rime therses. (Hear, hear.) It was natural that we should set theirs to diminish the proceeds of taxa tion et a niement when we did not wish the resenras hots direct taxation to be hymned. It *Althea to answer every observation that may have been mot i on the course of this debate. But 'bother right be. eiWmma eriticksed my bill before the proper das— h's/me it hem hum laid ?afore the house. When my bill is Mhos Hanlon" and when he sees it, the right hoe egotis m& may the witicies it. (Hear, hear.) dir, I can tell the right bL anat gestleman the member foe Portsmouth th a t we are not of the anomaliesanomalies which exist in schedule D. (Hear, .) The right hoe. gentleman may and some dai l i w it the , seaside y of my Clike that I have not neg ligent snidest (Hear, hear.) It is a subject of the reale* with whisk any person can have to deal, sal to }redoes &waste which would do essapiete justice to ad, may well esimes the genius of the man that ever existed. (Hear.) But we have anifeaveneed in the bill which I may have to lay lame the hews Meath that diffiadt question. (Hier, hear.) Bat it is imible for me at this moment to give our estimates to the house. The difficulty of the subject is great, tad schedule D is not the only one in which we have made alterations. (Hear, hear.) I said that in the estimates I brought forward there would appear not a soesiderable, but an apparent deficiency as compared with the lest ye ar; but I said I did not think it would last. I do not think the present is the proper time for entering into the details of the lamas and property tax. (Hear, bear.) I can snare the hones they will find, whoa the proper time arrives, that the subject has not been neglected, though I venture to say that whatever de cision the house may arrive at u to details, it will not ma terially change our financial resolutions. (Hear, hoar.) We have considered the great subject of direct taxation, and we found that it would be impossible to embark on any career of financial reform which was to be a reel and easiest one oaks there was a certain amount of dined lawation to which we could trust. (Hear, hear.) What is the ala we laid down he ounelves ? Li aised of • reales bellastisa to pita Most Imasion to a fob eatrusee we embed eat lb. dust lasiliss oa which we should rest should be In amount inferior to that which mealy prevailed in the country, and which ince the repeal or the corn laws has been cheerfully scented to. We laid down two principles in dealing with this question: first, that there should be • difference made between incomes derived from a certain and an uncertain source; sad madly, the principle, which we believe to be a just principle, and which I am convinced will yet be thought a jest principle by the pulnie— name ly, the principle that the basis of direct taxation should be enlarged. (Hear, hear.) Having these two principles to guide us, we thought that we acted moderately, scientifi cally, and wisely. in the measures which we have brought forward. (Cheers.) In reeognising sod applying the prin ciple of the difference of fixed and precarious incornee, we certainly have not erred on the excessive side. (Hear, hear.) We believed that the reeogeition of that principle would be gratifying to the workiug millions of this country. (Hear, hear.) And in asking the 101. householders to contribute to the revenue, we thought that we were taking a course which was perfe ctly justifiable. (Hear, hear.) I did not introduce the subject of the franchise. But I am one who never associated the possession of the franchise with mere money. (Hear, hear.) And I tell those who are so anxious to introduce this subject, that it it is to be recognised as a permanent feature of our social system, that there is to be a political elate in this coun try who are to exercise political power, and if you throw an undue weight of taxation on the wealthy cleaves and of indirect taxation on the working classes, I cannot imagine any circumstance more fatal to the country or more pregnant with disastrous caesequences—and pregeent in the Bret place with disasters to the privileged class. (Cheers.) The right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham) told us that the class of persons who had 1.501. a year were those who were least able to bear the burden. The came ar gument was used by the hon. and learued mem ber for Southampton. (Hear, beer.) Now this qua has been investigated b y , lieu who are superior 'to all our party strifes. It has been investigated by a gen tleman who, I believe, is a liberal, and who, though he should sit on the opposite beaches, I should like to s-e in this hove'. Mr. Gregg says, that if there be any position well established respecting the incidence of direct taxation, it is this—that there is no class on whom it falls more lightly than on those who have 1.501. a year. It is the property of 3001. a year that bean the brunt of indirect taxation, and that I think has been shown in a manner the most complete and satisfactory. But we had last night from the member for Carlisle (Sr, J. Graham) a most piteous appeal to the house upon t''.e hardship of tax ing poor clerks of between 1001. and 1501. a year. lie stated that 1501. was exactly the point where skilled labour ends. Toucan recal the effective mane= in which the right hon. gentleman said that—(great laughter)—an unrivalled artist In my opinion when he tells us that this is the point where the fust ian jacket ceases to be worn, and broadcloth becomes the ordinary attire. (Much laughter.) Stich, sir, was the representation of that eminent personage, for whom I have great regard—l don't so much respect him, but I greatly regard him. (Roars of laughter.) Now in deciding upon the incidents of taxation, no one kn-stir, who has not em barked upon that terrible enterprise, the authorities that you have to appeal to, the documents that you have to read, the labour that you have to go through. lam sere that, as for myself. there is probably nothing that was ever written or thought upon the subject, which I have not had to digest. (Laughter.) My researches have been ample; and among the memoranda which I have had to guide me—for what should guide me T—l hope I sin superior to quoting Hansard and all that sort of trash— (great laughter)—but still in matters of business, state papery, the documents in public offices, the records of great minister, who have preceded my humble efforts, must guide me—l say among the memoranda which I had to mein me, I found the Superannuation Tax Bill of 1834, which was drawn up and introduced by the right hoe. gentleman (Bir J. Graham), being one of those great and praiseworthy efforts which be made to improve the administration of the public oboes. And this is the principle which he laid down. I find that in the Superannuation Bill of 1834 the line was drawn at 1001. per annum—(great laughter)—that the poor clerk under that sum only pays 21 per ceat., and that the poor clerk above that sum, though he may have only 1101., pays 6 per cent. (Load ministerial Metro) That is toe of the great legislative labours of the right ben. gentleman the member for Carlisle. What is my budget ? I know my deficiencies as much as any man in thi, erase, probably more. But, after all, what is to guide as T lam pet Italy willing to forget all th e epee pteneenta of debates ;but, when I get into office, when I look at records, when I fled statutes, then I suppose I read the calm conclusions of statesmen. (Hear, hear.) Although I would not legislate, whatever respect I may feel for the right hon. gentleman, upon a speech, if I reed hisdespatches and statutes, then I feel that, though times may have changed with regard to political matters, yet this is the better mind of the man—(ministerial cheers)—and it being the better mind of a most able man, 1 confess it in dueness me and it has influenced me, in that arrange , meat respe cting the poor clerks which was so much at last night. (Loud cheers.) And remember a w ul a il h a t i tappeasid to the poor clerk since 1834, when this statute was drawn. (Hear, hear.) Remember the reduc tion of taxation which the poor clerk has bad the benefit of; remember the repeal of the corn laws. (Hear, hear.) Look at the position of the poor clerk who, with 1201. a year, had a doable tax placed upon him by the right boo. gentlemen; look at his petition now, and consider what it was in 1834. I say, without hesitation, that I do not believe the position even of the labonring classes of this country has been so much improved as the position of that peculiar class. (War, hear.) Well, sir, having agreed that it was necessary, before we undertook the great labours which we thought we might accomplish, that we should have a certain amount of taxation to rest upon; having determined that we would make these differences in the assessments of the schedules which must inevitably reduce the amount of direct taxation tram that sum which our predecessors en joyed ; having attempted to supply the amount which was secemary by our proposition with respect to the house tax in the manner which was reasonable, which was lust, which was on the whole most beneficial to the country, and which , in its operation would ultimately tend even to the =lvan ' tage by the effects which it would produce, of the chute which we wished to affect ; having by these measures, if eneassful, obtained the emeent ef direct taxation which was ameesty, and Walk lii is. again remind the house, was in herit to that whisk only two years ago was en ' =hy ear proisierseors ' we had to decide upon of tie fith grasp of taxation we should operate— efrealgalber-4 am obliged to repeat it—reeogeising that a great permanent revolution bad occurred in this country =aftg the tact that unrestricted competition wee = be the principle of our commercial system, sad the easy of our social life—wishing to assimilate our financial and commercial system—presuming that we should obtain this amount et direct taxation to rest upon—we ulti mately decided that it would be the wisest course to coo- MOOD by acting upon those articles which entered most late the consumption of the people for their salutary ad vantage, and which were subjected to the largest imposts. Now, that is the real history of this matter. Well, sir, under them circumstances, we were induced to recommend to the house the proposition that we have made with respect to the tea duty and the malt duty. At this late hour I will endeavour to be exceedingly eueeinet. and I will not touch on the subject of tea. I think the house and the country recognise the wisdom of the course which we have taken on that subject. (" Hear, beer," and cheers.) I will cot enter into any elaborate argumentation with regard to the effect of the reduction of the malt duty. I am told that if you reduce the tax to the consumer—and only as • tax to the consumer, in perfect harmony with all thine principles which we have laid down on the subject of tweea de we consider it—l am told that if you relieve the consumer upon one article to the amount of two-and-s -hall millions, you do not effect any reduction is the price of the ankle. (Rear, hear.) All son, it is saidAto the brewer. Well, sir, I remember that when we used to &s -em the abet of taxation upon another article, similar ob servable were made; I don't ore to remember from visa porter they emanated now ; but the object of those ri=was exactly the same, although they related to wake (Hear, hear.) Then it was those vii- Wass halls.' (Cheer and laughter from the ministerial feu.) Teo ads% rodeo the price of corn, you might ruin the maser, gentleman and the farmer, but the consumer wadi sot gain anythiag. (Laughter.)• The bakers or the MOM would take it all. (Much 'gingham.) The millers were the wont; they were demons, far worth than those villeins the bakers. (Renewed laughter.) Thee arguments had at the time considerable effect. There was such a prejudice created by them against the bakers that I should net have been at all surprised if they had been all Imaged co the same day, as the token of Coestes tinople were. Bosh views prevailed for • long time. It was shown that a OM of 10s. • quarter would not affect the pros of bread. It was mid that though bakers were not, like brewers, great capitalists, yet there was • sort of truce- sorter, a fratemity, amongst them, which made it totally impossible in any way to obtain a cheap loaf. Yet such are the vicissitudes of political life, that we now bear the same arguments from those who once wanted to buy in the cheapest market and to sell in the d melee (Great ministerial cheep.) The great advocates of the interest of the consumer, the great opponents of colossal im posts, the members of the imports' committee—hers we And these all tingled in favour of high taxation, in favour of the produeen—(Cheers and laughter)—and we may now taunt them with suing all the fallacies which we at least, have bid the courage honourably to give tip. (Loud chain and laughter from both sides of the house.) Tell me that proteettion is dead—tell me that there is no protection ist party—why it is rampant—(immense laughter)—and there it alto (pointing to the opposition). (Roars of laugh ter.) They have inherited our principles with our politic, ' and, I believe they will be just an unsuoceseful as we were. (Renewed laughter.) I say that it is for the interest of the consumer, in complete accordance with the principles which we have laid down in revising the taxation of the country, that we alone recommend this measure ; but I do not say that I think it oil' not also be for the interest of the cultivator of the soil. (Ilear, hear) By remitting the duty on tea, I have no doubt we did greatly promote the welfare of our Indian commene and of our China trade; but 1 do not bring for ward the proposition in the first instance for the sake of the advantage to the mercantile interest, whetber in India or China. (Roe, hear.) Let the farmers, let the culti- ' ust c b j a permitmanufactur er dinm:fneni advantage i s 'P ilif the soil, • vetoes, t v s o ontuthffe aw n legitimate s those h t co nsequences f o di ous n b e ings, lin orw e„ ?s , o w e i le e r s the ar of reducing the price of tea as well, as the poorm t cottager • in the county of Buckingham. (C heers .) What I said was,dest with the interests of the consumer, take that as your prin..' •• eiple, and indirectly it will operate the greatest advantages to the great productive and the great fiscal inter. eta of the ` *matey. (Cheers.) Well then, sir, lam told that by par- Catty repealing the malt tax, notwitheteadeg the asoi ' amount at which In my manatee Ilells tlat the li_ of the country, lea shaking to Its Aerie . OR • ••▪ •• ▪ - ..-._-. ~..v.4q 7 .1,..„, ) .A.llO ..e ' .—....." 10 1 ; 01 ' i ! .--. ca„.."