The Express. — London, England, 1853-09-27 00:00:00

CORN TRADE AT HOME AND ABROAD iloroo tto Mari•Wie Erpress.) The activity in th. cons trade continues ; in fact, (o . ;u msdnees are uccurriug daily of a character calculated t a ler r .., the ezeitement. the protracted misunderstand 4, ...testa Ramis sod Turkey has become more and more ert.cu:t of arrangement, awl threatens to terminate In war. • wkieu, sk.ield it t eke place, Great Britain would be very wog, to be involved. It would be out of place here to e.capitalate what has already been discussed in the daily r pm bet the advice' from the East are of such a nature la to lead the most ...again* to doubt whether the dispute b e tween the Cur and Sultan can Low be settled except by ea a ppeal to arms. Tuis Keys has had considerable effect pa the mind' of hoidens of wheat in this country, inasmuch wit threatens to increase the ditficulties already experienced Loth prices and scarcity of shipping) in making pur chases at foreign ports. That England will have to import largeiy, it would be idle to endeavour to c octal. With average crops we have for several tOloreattre years OonSulaed .ems million of quarters of t.asiga wheat per annum. What the. are our re inrrenients likel) to be under existing circumstances I' The pt dace of wheat at tt• utmost cannot be estimated at more than thy, e-fourtLa of an average, and there is, we are inclined is thii.k, no excess is the yield of the other tan crops. rotators are seriously affected by disease, and kase been forced into coasumption so rapidly, owing to tba uutituess for storing, that this article of food must eels shortly become scarce. 8o enormous has beta the gor.sumptios, that with an importation of 3,304,023 qrs. of Wlit .t and 3,337,206 cwta. flirt during the eight months 'litho; the Sib inst., the stocks in granary are by no means es,,s.ive. Oar position is therefore sallkiently critical to warrant satiable as to the future. We are anxious not to eiaggrrate tie dilleulties this country may be placed bat that diglealties exist it would be folly to deny. Ibe weather has been favourable sines our bat fur harvest uta the crops in the late districts, and a considerable quan tity of corn has been carted in tolerably fair order. There itill a good deal of spring-sawn wheat uncut, even in the southern parts of the kingdom ; and is the more backward districts some is so green r to reader it doubtful whether it will arrive at maturity. The reports as to the yield of wheat age very useatiefeetory. In many eases, where the premisee has been tested by threshing, the quan tity has turned oat little more than half of what had been ealcUlated os ; the increased price will, therefore, hardly compensate the grower for the shortness of the yield. The accounts respecting the bailey crop vary materially. In some counties the quantity is described as large, and in others altogether the reverse. There can, however, be no doubt that this grain will give a better money return than 'heir. and we are inclined to think that farmers will be disposid to bold the latter end send the former to market, the prices obtainable for malting barley being relatively quite as high as those current for wheat. The deliveries of the last-named article have not been free this week, and higher rates have heeu paid in many of the farmers mar kets than could have been realised at Mark-lasso. At lie bridge, on Thursday, 80e. per qr. was obtained for a parcel of sew of tine quality. The most recent advice* from Ireland speak more de spondingly of the potato crop than previous accounts, and it is greatly to be feared that tie loss of that useful root will be greater than was • few weeks ago expected. Indian cora, after having fur some time been neglected, had there fore excited renewed attention, and its value had under goae a considerable rise in most of the large consuming mart/. Wheat has of late years been but little cultivated lo Ireland ; the produce in proportion to the breadth sown is stated to be tolerably good. The oat crop is not so well epuken uf, either in regard to quantity or quality,as earlier in the season. The arrivals of wheat coastwise into the port of London have been saodents, only 3,167 qn. having been reported daring the week ending this (Saturday) evening. Mean while, but little has been brought forward by land-carriage from the neighbouring counties, and needy buyers have cinsequently bad to pay very high prices. The business done on Wednesday was not extensive owing in a great measure to the want of choice of guilty— the greater part on sale consisting of ordinary lots left over from pre v ions supplies. Notwithstanding these disadvantages, llondsre terms wen exceeded by about Is. per qr. Sub wnently, the &mesas of holders increased, and a farther me of Is. per qr. was established on Friday. The arrivals of wheat from abroad have been only moderate sines the close of last week, and nearly the whole of that previously received having been landed, Mars has been no anxiety to sell from on board ship. For granaried parcels very fall terms have been asked ; indeed, many holders have with drawn their samples altogether, in expectation of higher rates later in the year. The high pretensions of holders have naturally induced a good deal of caution on the part of buyers; cull , considerable transactions have taken place. There was not so mush doing on Wednesday as on Friday, and on the former occasion it was somewhat diffi cult to used previous rates. The •deices from France reportiag renewed activity there, and the unfavourable change which took place in the weather oa Friday, gave • fresh impetus to the upward movement, and • fair extent of business was done at rates about 2s. per qr. above those at which purchases might have been made la the beginning of the week. la consequence of the very high terse demanded for floating cargoes of wheat, comparatively few contracts have been closed ; but there has been ea active inquiry, several triers to buy wheat afloat having been received during the week from France. For blarianopoli wheat on passage COL 6.1. to Ws., for Taganrog Ohirka 595. to 605., and for the commoner kinds from 50s. up to 651. per qr., cost and freight, has been realised. Flour has beers held with extreme &mama, and the alders ham manifested s decided la willingness to snake forward sales. For oountry hossebold low rates have been asked Quite as high, is proportioa, as those de- I marled for tows make. A part of the expected arrival of door from America hie come to /mad, 20,726 brie. hear reached us this week. The market was previously very bare of fresh qualities, this supply has consequently had so effect sa prices; iodised the article was rather dearer, if anythisg, at the don than in the beginning of the week. The receipts of barley eoestwies have been small, and very few lots have bees brought forward by land-carriage aims Monday. The dam kinds have born much sought atter, and extreme rates have lona realised for good malting qsalities ; in the abeam*, however, of supplies of import ance, the transactions have bees is tee halted a seals to warraat alteration is quotidian& Foreign barley for grind lag has become ezorsdingly earns ; and for a cargo of fifth, but light Kosigsberg barley 34.. dd. per qr. was, we heleve, made. The coseamption of mat is, sad has for some time bees, sateasive seslo, owing to large imports of els ; stooks her. deletes bemuse short, and the value of the article 11014 4 'warm upwards. The arrivals of oats, mmetwise sad from Inland, ham Men small ; sad the receipts from abroad not wetly is liberal as earlier is the month. Nearly OS whole of the mantly-reosived large supply of Ruske eats his pored eto the heads of the dealers, sad there are sow so pressiag Wien. A fair beauties wee done in this grain on Wedaes day, at Od. per qr. over previous prime; sad a similar &d -ream we established on Friday. Arehsageds were sot offered below 21s. 6d., and maay declined &emptier that price. The deer qualities of oats were held proportion ately high. liesas - Oses bessa sought after of late, sad prices bass steadily Tessa. Vsl7 few aew peas have thus far sew to hand, and 114 h terms have been realised fee those which have air peered. Whig to increasingly unfavourable accounts in regard to potatoes, Indian corn afloat has been held at embargoed terms for Galata 38e., and for lhnila 365. per qr., root tad (melt, has been paid. FOREION CORN. The &deices from the Baltic are this week of much the same character as before. The harvest in that quarter ap pears to have given an indifferent return, and the quality of the new wheat is described as very inferior. Meanwhile supplies of old had almost ceased, and the stocks in ware house an reported to have been reduced into a very narrow romps& Under these circumstances large transactions had he.a rendered almost impossible, and quotations had be tome in a great measure nominal. Konigsberg letters, of Monday's date, state that the little is wheat which had come to hand had proved too damp Ind inferior in condition to be suitable for shipment and stocks of old baring been nearly exhausted, hardly asything bad been done during the preceding week for export. Adviees from Danzig, dated Tuesday, are to nearly the lame egg!-491bs. to 6011 s. per bushel would, we are in formed, be an extreme weight for the new wheat; the greater part of the samples which had appeared having avenged iiiLber. to 6711 m. per bushel ; for fair quality of blbs. weight 5.5 e. to Ws. per quarter free on board had be e , ptid. There was hardly anything being shipped ; indeed, the supplies of new boned forward had beta wholly unfit for export. From Poland and the Bug district the amounts of the crops were by no means of a satisfactory character. At Stettin, on Tuesday, the best qualities of old red wheat, weighing blithe. per bushel, could not be bought below 60s. per quarter ire, on board ; and for 62Ibs. white Polish his. per quarter had ben asked. Barley was quoted 28e. to 32a, and 361bs. oats 20e. per quarter. Freight to London and East Coast be. 6d. to be. 9d. per quarter. R *took letters, of the 20th hut. Worm im that 684. had beta paid for damp new, aad 60r. per gr. for floe old. Barley was quoted 331. per qr.; and hardly any peas or oats had bean offered. From Hamburg we learn that after a temporary calm the wheat trade had assumed renewed activity, and prices In advance of those of the preceding wcek were realised on Wednesday. For good 61 lbs. Holstein wheat 645. 6d. per qr. free on board, and for red Upland on the spot, weighing only 60 ►bs. per bush., CBs. per qr. had been paid. Spring corn had beea is lively request, and good Danish barley, 63 1b.., could sot then be bought below 33a. Danish peas were quoted from 465. 6d. up to 46e. 3d. per qr. free on beard; and other articles equally high. la the Dutch markets the upward movement in prices has continued: and at Rotterdam, on Monday, whits wheat was 2a. to 35., and red 2s. per qr. dearer than on that day week. Rye advanced 151. to 20f. per last, and other article. were generally held at enhanced rates. The accounts from France are of a more subdued tone, nonsuch as buyers had beevme cautious in sctisg at the ealunced terms; null a further rise of two franca per sack was realised in dour at Paris on Wednesday. From the Mediterranean we have nothieg new to com• =imitate : that the wants of the Italian states will be great, cannot be guetioned ; and a considerable portion of what the Black Sea may have to spare will be retained within the Straits of Gibraltar. From Odessa we leant that the thmatiniag upsets of political affairs had greatly interfered with basin's,. and that prices had rather given way, notwithstanding the ex citing reports from Francs sad Einglsad: good Polish Odd's* was quoted 360. per qr.; and freight to United Kingdom was 18s. 6d. per qr. From the United States the advioes are of • lively character. At New York large purchases of wheat and dour had been made on English and French account, and • material rise had consequently takea place in prima. THE FATAL ACCIDENT BY THE FALL. INC OP A HOUSE IN THE STRAND. ADJOVENED INQUEST.—VERDICT. Yesterday the inquest on the bodies of George Rowe, Mr. and Mrs. Thompson, and George Dunn, who win killed by the falling of a house in the Strand, was re sumed before Mr. Langham, the deputy coroner for West minster, at St. Clement Danes' vestry-room, Pickett-street, Strand. As before, Mr. Hawkins appeared for the friends of the deceased, Mr. Bodkin for Main. Lusa+, the con tractors ; Mr. Ballantine, instructed by Messrs. Aldridge and Bromley, for Mr. Abraham, the surveyor ; Mr. Robin son for Mr. Angell, the district surveyor; Mr. Ford, soli citor, for Messrs. Smith and Sons, the owners of the new building ; and Mr. Few for the Duke of Norfolk, the ground landlord. Mr. Angell, district sarveyor, examined by Mr. Sanaa tiae—On the last occasion I stated that I inspected the pre mises on the 19th of August, and from what I saw then I should say the buildings were sufkiently shored. By Mr. Hawkins—The excavation at the side of the wall was not made then. The sherieg was quite sufficient for the condition the works were then ia. By a juror—They had not gone below the foundation at that tine. By Mr. Robinson—The house had remained for mental months without any shoring at U. Thor. was none at the time of the Wellington funeral. Mr. Ford, solicitor, proved the execution of the building contrast, which wee read, as was alp the specification. The contract required that the contractors should take down sad remove the present shoring and provide new shoring as might be required. Mr. Hairy Robert Abraham examined—l am an archi tect and surveyor, and my offices are at 11, Howard-street, !lined. I was employed on them works by Meson. Smith, and also in my official capacity as surveyor to the Arundel estate by the Duke of Norfolk. The excavations, the works in mpeet of the shoring., were commenced on the 3rd of August. I gave the orders for them on the 2nd of August. I bad previously, on the 2nd of August, made • most minute and accurate survey of the house itself, in order to ascertain what shoring might be necessary, and whether there were any signs of weakness in it. I gave directions for two shores to he put up previous to com mencing the excavations. The excavations commenced im mediately after the two shores had been fixed—three or four days after. About that period Rowe was •p -pointed. He was Ileum Lucas's foreman. There was • question whether an independent clerk of the works should be appointed, but Rowe being so good a man, they could not pat • man over him. Haan. Lucas asked if there was to be • clerk of the works, but I thought it unnecessary. I was not interested in saving the expense of • clerk of the works. On the other hand, it would have saved me expense had a clerk been appointed. Rowe's duty was immediately to take the best means for securing the wall previous to the excavation commencing He without consulting me removed the two shores I had put up, and he put up three others. The three others were not entirely new, but placed in better positions than the two I had put up; there was less vibration. They were raking shone ; they were constructed of pietas of timber, some 36, some 36, aad soma 40 feet in length. The timber was of the primed quality, and I have here models of them. I can show, by referring to a plan which I have made—(the drawing was then produced and the witness ex plained it)—the fallen building was of the slightest possible description, and what we had to do was to keep it is equilibrium, for any thing that disturbed it would atom suily endanger it. The wall up to the first 'Loring was 18 inches thick, and after that 14 iaches to the top. We were about to underpin the wall sad then to raise another external wall against it. When Rowe had completed the shores I required him to raise soother one to catch the under side of the south wall. I had deo two other shores to take the parlour. That was promptly dose in a very efficieat manner. There wore six jack shore• placed up, I think they were put up in dust eight or tea day., cer tainly a week after the others had been put up. They were made of some good sound stuff, that had been on the premises before, sad two of them were six or seven-itch seaffold-poles. They wore plasma under the raking shorts, rather between them. One of them was put up to catch the part of the bOOMIIIIIt Sae mbar, it h a d I gone through the wall. The wall was de facto an external wall, but &jure a party wall. The bows was one of the oldest houses in the Strand. Allow me to explain with re gard to jack shores. that jack means short. There is another description called dead shorn; it is need under the others. We should have had to place dead shores under she wall w►ile we underpinned. The short shores that we had were placed where we thought noesseary against different parts of the building—they were tea or twelve feet high.l The short shores were put up partly by my directions, and I think some were pat up by Rowe himself. Wherever I saw a weak place I had • shore. I watched it for that purpoet, not that I believed any responsibility was incurred by me in not &deg lt, but I thought it my duty. I con sidered the shoring amply sufficient, and I have had much experience. Coroner—What did you consider the duty of Rowe u distinguished from yourself ? To take upon himself the responsibility belonging to his master with regard to carry ins out t►e weeks. My duty was to see that my design was carried out, that the materialawere proper, and that the building was safely constructed, but principally to see that my design was fairly carried out. There is a clause in the contr►ct by which I had power to dismiss Rowe if I had found him negligent. It was intended by myself originally to take down the party wall, and I caused the usual notices under the Building Act to be stirred on poor Thompson. In consequence of Thompson's most earnest entreaties that the wall should be allowed to stand, and his representations to me that he would be ruined if I turned him out of the house, it was agreed that the Sat of the district surveyor should determine whether the wall should be taken down or not. There is Isle. Thomp son'. letter to that effre . Thompson had not a lease, but he had certain obligations. The house belonged to the Duke of Norfolk. (The letter, which was dated 22nd Sep tember, 1862, was put in.] I had recommended Thompson to employ a professional men, and he employed Mr. Bush. I got his content in order to prevent the delay that might have arisen by a reference to the official referee. After wards the plan was chinged. Originally the plan was that three houses should be erected, and it was eventually determined that there should be only one. On the 2nd August Mr. Thompson made another application to me to deter mine, without reference to the district 'surveyor, that the wall should not come down. I arid Mr. Phillips went Over THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1853. the bow. I laid Mr. Thespian I 'ova ask say that the wall shrmaLl see some down. He followed me into the street and said it had stood 12 months, and I could keep it op if I liked. As repreeenting Messrs. Lucas, I should not have &sod anything by the wall being taken down, but I dislike external walls. The district yor was called in, sad he determined that the wall should be kept up, and that a new external wall should be built. That in volved the underpinning of the old wall, according to the act of parlianmat. I taw Mr. Thompson the day before the accident. For one or two days previously I had had a great deal of unpleasantness, and perhaps something beyond it with the excavators. They had un dermined tho house No. 4, Arundel -street, and undermined the shoriag of that house. They had dug too low, and they had in that way rendered, in my opinion, the corner of the parlour of Thompson's house insecure, but the house itself (Thompson's house) had not been in the least affected by it. I had been informed by my clerk (Phillips) that some one, whom I have since ascertained to be Mr. Stan ford, had called to warn me that the excavators were dig ging too low. I found that the excavations bad been pro seeding too far, and I was very angry about it. That was on the Tuesday before the accident. Rowe promised that it should not occur again. He said no harm was done. The excavators were employed by the contractors. The following day, the day before the accideat, I observed that they had still proceeded improperly with the excavatioa, and that they had broken through Mr. Thompson's cellar wall under the arch. I was very much concerned about it, but Rowe told me it was done for the pupae of putting some cement out of the wet, and that he had made it all right with Mr. Thompson. I said it was a very improper pro carding, and that it most have shaken the wall above. I had a ladder brought to me, and I carefully inspected the wall, and found a slight creek. Rowe said it was not a new crack, but I have no doubt it was a new one. I said, whether new or old, no one should be in the building next door with my consent under such circumstances, and I insisted on his going in with me to Mr. Thompson to ap prise him of my opinion. We went la, and I and Rowe looked carefully mod, and the poor fellow (Rowe) said, with an air of satisfaction—" You see there is not a crack about the place." I told Mr. Thompson that he must leave the plat*, and that I must pall the wall down as I consi dered it dangerous. There was some little discussion about it, and I said the wall on that silo was canvassed and papered, and they could not see what was behind, and that I was certaia it was insecure. Thompson said "Ifl go out who is to pay me for going out." I said that had already been settled by agreement, and that the diatriet surveyor would award him compensation for what he might suffer. lie said that would not do, and he wished to have a certainty. I asked him what he wanted ? and he said 101. I said " I did not come to mate a bargain with you," for he; had named so small a sum that I thought he hardly knew what he was about. I thought the 101. was for removing his stock and providing accommodation, and ! thought it inadequate. Mrs. Thompson observed, " Everybody says we are no- safe," and I replied, " No one can say you are safe." That was as to the parlour ; it did not affect the other parts of the house, and I think Mr. Thompson only referred to the parlour, which was behind the main building. There was nothing to show that the main party wall was in danger. I had it examined and plumbed, and it was quite safe. I would have slept in the front part of the house the night before the accident without the least hesitation. I am certain that on the 2nd August there was no crack in .any part of the building to interfere with any part of the building. I did not see the crack which was spoken of by Mr. Henderson the artist. Atter I had had this conversation with Mr. Thompson, I directed that the wall should be plumbed down again, and I earnestly begged Rowe to we that everything was made perfectly secure, and I left the building about half-past three the day before the accident, and I considered the building was then perfectly safe, except with respect to the patient. By a juryman —What I have said was as to the parlour, not as to the louse itself. The Coroner—Up to what point had the excavations then gone ? Witness—Rowe bad orders from me first to ascertain the strata. We then agreed that ten feet should be excavated below the level of the surface as it was then. That would not extend to the footing of the wall, except in one or two places. The footing were Irregular. The ten feet in depth would net have been proceeded with if Rowe had found he was going too low. However a rod tea feet long was marked, and the workmen went on with it. About the building that tea feet had bees arrived at. That wo u ld be below the footing in some places. There had beta • staircase in the middle, and a cesspool, and it had beer. arched over, and beyond that there were what are celled pimps in the wall. After I left the building they could not have reseeded further safely, for they had bees P ex- Sa~sfiWOO up, psi the bricks had not arrived on the SIM bed eked fair to permit him to go on with immediat with the old bricks, which win; eamedleginped. I s aid , however good they might be, they il66lldMiereat sista, and would not bond well to gether. sot as the spoileatioo forbid the use of old =a tonal. I odd MI Om it. There was nothing left to be dembat the rampleating, and to do that they would have had to go Mew, bat that would have been done in short gr. y a Immo—Though Mr. Rowe was so anxious to go on with*, underpinning I did not think there was any I demo. I *sold have been on the ground at nine on the following day, an hour after the accident, and should have boa under the wall superintending the underpinning. The highest shores reached to and tb the joist of the top floor bat one. The height from the top of the shores to the ooping of the bones would be eleven feet. It would have been disprove to have had higher shores. A piece of tim ber more than 40 feet must necessarily be very heavy ; sod it most be obvious that when the top of it premed on the wall it would press it la, and would have a tendency to destroy the equilibrium. The excavations which I com• plained of and., the house in Arundel. street were two feet or two feet six under the footing of that house. The last time I saw the shores there had been six excavations beneath them ; they were perfectly safe then. That was about a quarter to four o'clock the day before the accident happened. The ground was generally level, and in one part, where the staircases were, we could me the footings, but the excavation had not gone below the footings. At a depth of eleven Yeet from the pavement some parts of the footings became obvious, and then they did not dig below these footings. Needle-shoring could not have been used, It would have been an act of insanity to have put a needle through. Ahoy operative who had done it ought to have been discharged. The Coroner—How do you account for the accident ? Witness—l think it so open to conjecture that it would be hardly prudent in me to state it, but if the jury will permit me I will do so. My impressions were formed from the first, and they are not changed. I believe that the excavators had undermined the wall. I did not see that they had done so at the time that I left them. There is one circumstance which wee concealed from my eye at the time, bat which I ham sem since. The house was a verb nar row OILS ' • the beselegis were short, only 12 feet 6 mho clear of the wall, err the ceilings were flush. Originally, as it appose. there MI been girders running from the partition smell the hew to the centre pier, in order to =be a lai allieg e mil at some time or other the persons eleopyieg the Isms bed eat holm along the party wall at one ord. whisk was tee awns, to erect joists separating the heads et She well. emi Mavis; the wall unequally sup ported. The was dime kid* the house, and covered up, sad ao hams eye esehil Menet it. Ido not mean to say that was the Mites. There mast have been a proximate came bat see enable as to state what it was I must bare something Men WIMP MI than I now have. By Mr. Bodkin—l like it that the contractors were to shore the wall, whether it oat 101. or 601. They would have been paid for say extras they might have done, and no more. By Mr. Hawkins—Rowe wu not clerk of the works. Be was forums to the contractors, and the two otiose are in compatible. I did what a clerk of the works would have dose. I received no appointment or emolument for so acting. It was necessary that there should be some rine to see the work was properly done, and Rowe was there for that purpose. Be was foreman. Iwu there because I emsidered limy duty not to lure a workman in difficulty. If I had seen the excavation improperly conducted, I should have spoken to Rowe. The men would not have taken an order from me. Ido not remember whether I saw the Messrs. Lucas themselves on the premises. Mr. Rowe had the whole superiatendence of the excavation. They had two or three feet of excavation to do in some parts when I last saw them. I stopped them. There were men filling the coral but not near the wall. I did not consider the wall uns afe, bat I told Mr. Thompson I would not gua rantee it, hccups it is impossible to tell what pockets, as we all them, there might be in the wall, and as a few strokes of an axe might have placed the wall in danger, I thought it better that Mr. Thompson should have a new party wall, which Messrs. Smith would pay for, and that he should go oat while it was being built. Besides the raking shores there wire jack shores. A note was here banded to the counsel from one of the jury. I I Mr. Ballantine requested that the note might be read aloud. Mr. Hawkins objected and returned it to the juror, but the coroner requested that it might be shown to him, which was done, and he read it, and observed that it was exceed ingly irregular for any juryman to write such a document. He was sorry that any of the jury should make himself a partisan one way or the other. There were there to judge of the facts, and not to take either one side or the other. Mr. Ballantine then complained that Mr. Hawkins had been furnished by Mr. Stereos with a copy et his report, and that Mr. Stevens had been making suggestions to him. Several of the jurymen expreued their regret that Mr. Hawkins should have been furnished with the report, and aid no one ought to have been furnished with it but the coroner. Mr. Hawkins denied that Mr. Stevens had been making any suggestions to him. I he cress•examination was resumed and continued for tome time, but nothing material was elicited. By Mr. Ballantine—l have been a surveyor for thirty years, and have had much experience in shoring. The shores were the proper height, considering the nature of the wall. It would have been baxardous to have carried them up higher. The five shores were amply sufficient. If I had done the shoring myself I do not think I should have put up more than four. The footings of the well were eases tuft about eight er nine feet, bat they wore not undermined: This wall was not at all perinea by that ti ppler,. lam speaking of how it was when I left the place about a quarter to 4 en Wednesday afternoon, and if any excavation Piok plies afterwards, it would have been con trary to my widen. I thcught Bowe a most judicious and c•mpetent persist. By *juryman— When I spoke to Mr. Thompson about the place being in danger, I alluded merely to the back indoor. It is obvious that 10i would not have compen sated himfor removing him from the house. Mr. John Linn, of 27, Arundel-street, Strand, clerk to Mr. Sambrook, coal merchant, stated that he bad occasion to see Mr. Row* on the morning of the accident, and he proceeded to the excavation about half-past 7 o'clock. A man was engaged with a pickaxe excavetieg. Witness observed that it was soft stuff they were removing, and if they did not mind the house would be down. He then we n t home, and in a few minutes afterwards the hones fell. They ap peared to have goes about two feet below the footing of the wall. The soil appeared to be loom and, almost as loom as if it was at the river side. By • jeryman—Pror to the morning of the accident I had not observed that the excavation had gone below the Looting. I could see four or five feet in length of the footings. By Mr. Bodkin—l was first applied to on Saturday to come hem as a witness. My examination was taken down at my own house by Mr. Abraham's solicitor, I believe. John Brown, coal porter, Newcastle -court, was with the last witnem on the morning of the accident. There were four mea on the ground—three were removing rubbish, and one was cleaning bricks. He and Livett tamed round and walked down Arundel-street, and when they had gone about 60 yards they heard the house fall and went back to see what had happened. By Mr. Bodkin—l could see the footings of the wall. It was all nicely got out to begin building. I could see two feet below the foundation. A gentleman in the body of the room here rose and said he wished to give some evidence on a point that had not been touched on. The Coroner—Are you a surveyor ?— No. What I wish to speak if will he only common sense. (Laughter ) The gentleman was then sworn, and he stated his name to be Thomas Baylis, and that he is an Ironmonger, at 273, Strand. Living almost directly opposite the fallen house, he had an opportunity of watching the works. The wall of the house was eat away the whole depth of the wall from back to frost. He saw the bricklayers doing it. The were cutting down the wall to bring it to a sort of level. They cut it, footings and all, he believed, to make it straight. He saw two or three short shores. There might have been three, but he did not believe there was one more, and he did sot think that the plan which had been put in, representing a aumber of small shores, was correct. By Mr. Ballantine—l may have said to some of my neighbours that I would come and offer my evidence. will swear that the representation on the plan is a false re presentation of the number of small shores. There are seven on the plan ; there were not so many on the ground. I saw two; there might have been three. I will swear there were not flee. I swear that both from my own ob servation and what others have told me. _ _ Mr. Abraham wai re-called, andhe:is tad that the num ber of shores as shown in the plan WM correct. __— B y Mr. Hawkins—There were ten or eleven short shores in all with those round the corner. The Coroner then read the yore' report, of which the following is a copy : _ _ " To Sontag F. Luilham, Esq., Deputy Coroner for the City and Liberty of Westminster. " Sir,—Agreesbly to the instructions contained in your letter of the 10th inst., with reference to the accident wising from the fall of the house, No. 184, Strand, we, in the first instance, appointed an efficient person with assist ants to carefully remove the rubbish to a sufficient extent to enable us to form a correct judgment upon the points at issue, and subsequently attended on various occasions to give them consideration. The points referred to being Whether there has been any want of due care and einem pection in shoring up the premises ? Whether any means might have been resorted to which would have had the effect of preventing the falling of the house in question?' First, as to the materials used for shoring. We are of opinion that they were ample in dimensions and of the best quality. That thine which were fixed were of proper con structlon, end is all respects fit for the purpose; but we ere further of opinion, that assuming the evident* of Wil liam Shrimplin to be correct as to the Match of the shores and their distAnce from the party wall at the foot, by which the whole weight of the basement end ground floors was unaustaiaed, that additional shores should have been placed underneath, more especially as the whole area on the east side had been excavated to a considerable depth below the kitchen floor of N 0.184, and also was stated in some places to be below the footings of the party wall, and having further re ference to the character of the foundation on which it stood being composed of gravel and sand and some portions of clay. With retinae, to the second ques ti on we beg to state that we have carefully examined the premises, and that the fol. lowing appeared to be the facts as nearly as they could be ascertained :—That the house consisted of six storeys, viz., basement story, ground floor, first floor, second floor, third floor, and an attic story or roo ms on th e roo f ; that the east party wall was two bricks thick in the basement, two bricks thick on the ground floor, one and a half brick thick on th e first fl oor and upwards. As to the footings, no satisfactory information could be obtained except as regards a ten feet et the south end, which appear to remain in their original position as per sketch, and about six inches high. That the bricks were uniformly good ; that the mortar was of • mixed character, some being ezesedingly goad, some perished and bed, and, as far as observation could be made, superior on the west or inner side. That the joists, as ap pears from the holes in the west wall now standing, were transversely laid—that is, resting en the party walls in each floor, and, as we are informed, a girder was fixed longitudinally down the shop. Of the joists and timbers there is no means of forming an *pinion, except from the appearance of the joist holes in the party walls, end thew appear to have been of sufficient scantlisg. With reference to the position of the walls of the several stories when down the following appeared That the basement wall, with its footings, had pressed out ward at the bottom, and fallen with the western face in ward, and the upper floors lying disgonally upon It, also the western face downward ; thou of the ground and two pair storey presenting themselves sufficiently to be identified. With reference, therefore, to the question, ' Whether say means might have been resorted to which would have had the effect of preventing the falling of the house in goes time ?' we are of opinion that, provided the floors of No. 184 had been shored up on the west side of the party wall to take off the downward pressure, and provided else addi tional shores bad been placed under those Azad in the met side to secure the ground and basement wane of the east party wall from pressing out, and that the wall had been under-pinned to the depth of the footings of she intended new building, the accident would not have happened. In arriving at this conclusion we are governed by what we believe to be the facts, confirmed by the beet tinfennation to be obtained ; and it Is proper to add that every facility has been given by ell parties concerned in promoting the inquiry . The deceased ffowe, in charge of the works, was stated to be a man of andoubtedly sound practical experience and judgment, with every facility at his command for obtaining and using the amonsmf rendering everything secure ; and that Mr. Minim, Ms architect, and himself, had paid every atten tion they had deemed necessary to that end. And further, that as melt operations as the foregoing are of extreme Malty, sod so frequently matter of difference of opinion with the meet practical men, we consider, generally speak. inm OM there ma be no better judges of what is necessary te he dam M metre safety than those persona in chug* of the end interested in their proper execution. Not wi this, however, we can only form our judgment from the facts elicited during our investi, and record our opinion aocordingly.—We have the hones, to remain, sit, your obedient servants, (Signed) " Jour DINT. " Fazalasez LLW7OID. " J. HAY 01•1111 - - - --- • Mr. Stevens, surveyor of the western district of the City of London, wee then called, and he stated that the report just read ontained • tree representation of his view. on the subject. He else produced a plan of the remind es it ap peared after the accident, and stated that from the appear ance of the rains the inference that he drew woe that the footings po of the wall for want of sulkiest support had out, aid that the other part of the wall had slipped arm it. If it had been a sound wall be should have thought the shoring would ham been sullelent, but not with a well of this kind. He theught the dell was mused by the removal of the ground below the torkkg, mad that it ttt have bee& preveated U the wad AM bpsa partially visaed, in short lesgthe, es the paned was re. moved. If the house led bees elisesd Inside, the floors would have remained In *dr plsess, altbeegh the wall bad fallen. He should have placed the asking shares pre cisely in the position they were. lie abseil Est Ems made the excavation all at once, but should have mode it la part, sad then have underpinned the wall there before he had gone to another part. dappleing the upper part of the wall to have bees MitsLued in its place by the raking shores, the weight on the lower part of the wall would have been mmal to 16 cwt. to the square foot. The fall might have Mss prevented if the wall bad been gradually underpinned. He should have placed the raking shores precisely in the position they were put, and also put up smaller shores to keep the lower part of the wall vertical. lie then would have excavated a piece at a time, and would have built a " leg," or piece of brickwall to the wall. He then would have proceeded to another portion of the wall, and made • new foundation, and put another piece of brickwork, and so have proceeded till the wall was securely underpinned. When that was done, he should have removed the ground for the basement of the new house to the depth he required. By Mr. Halluitine—l have heard the evidence of Mr. Abraham, and upon that evidence I should say that the wall wee perfectly safe when he left it on the Wednesday. I found the ground excavated eleven feet below the level in one part, which is eighteen inches below the footings. There is a discrepancy there, which may be accounted for by Mr. Abraham not having observed correctly at that point, or that a further excavation had been made after he left it. It might have been made within an hour after lie left it. Mr. John Dent, 11, Southampton-bulldings, surveyor, and Mr. Frederick Lawford, surveyor, 20, John -street, Adelphi, who had signed tho report, expressed their con currence in the evidence of Mr. Stevens. The court was then adjourned fur half an hour, and on its re-essembling The Coroner prlceeded to sum up. Hs said this was an occurrence by which four ut their fellow-creatures had met their death at a moment's notice ; and yet it was a matter of conudation that the lose of life was not greater, as it un doubtedly would have been if the accident had occurred at a later period of the day , and the youug woman, Eliza Nth Stenharst, had had a most remarkable escape in being enabled to throw herself down the steps into the area where she was unhurt, and she survived to give her evidence in the clear way which they had heard. It was their duty to inquire into the causes of the calamity, and whether any blame attached to any person. This in quiry had occupied a good deal of puelic attention, and he thought the result would not be altogether usel.se. He then read the report of the purveyor', and said he thought there would be no difficulty in arriving at the conclusion that the cause of the occurrence had been one of the matters stated in the surveyors' report. Then came the question u to the person on whom the responsibih.y rested. By the Building Act certain duties were assigned to the district surveyors. They were to inapeet buildings in the Mine of erection, and to me that the requisitions of the act were complied with. Mr. Angell, the district surveyor, said he was called in on the 19th of August, and the question was whether Mr. Thompson's party wall was sufficient for its purposes; or whether it was neceseary that an external wall should he built against it. II- declared his opinion to be that an external wall should be built, and then knowing the works to be in the hands of the Messrs. Lucas, who were highly respectable men, he thought a proper notice would be sent to him. No such notice, however, was sent. and the reason was diet the builders thought they were not bound to give notice till two days before they began to ;ay bricks; and certainly the act would bear that construction. It was a matter . much to be regretted that though the unsafe condition of I this building was well known and much talked of in the neighbourhood, none brought the matter to the notice of the district surveyor, who had power to interfere, though some time might elapse before he could do so effectualiy. Mr. Angell admitted that in strictness it was his duty to have gone to the place, ',instill it was not unnataral for him to suppose thattbe contract being in the hands of such respectable persons due notice would be sent to him. lie next came to Messrs. Smith, the building owners. All that they could do was to employ competent persons, which they appeared to have done in entering into a contract with Messrs. Lucas ; and with regard to the contractors, it was not to be expected that they should pereonally superinte n d their works. All they could do was to appoint • compe tent person, which they had done in the appointment of Mr. Rowe, whe, according to the evidence, was a very able man. It was for the jury to say whether, upon the whole, they considered there was such grow negligence on the part of any party concerned as to amount o manslaughter. It was not sufficient that there should be a mere error of judgment. There was • eel lusted case, " The King v. St. Juha Long," where it was held that a mere error of judgment was not sufficient to sustain an indictment for manslaughter, and that there must be gross negligence. With respect to Mr. Abrahams, Me Stevens had stated that if the facts were as represented by him, that the excavation was below the footings only in two places, he should have thought with Mr. Abrahams that it wee safe. The question was, whether anything was done to the excavations after Mr. Abrahams left. It was for the jury to say whether, both as regarded Mr. Abrahams and Mr. Rowe, there was such • criminal neglect as to amount to more than an error in judgment. The jury then, at half past six, retired to consider their verdict, and returned into court shortly after eight, when The foreman said—We unanimously find that Robert Thompson, Sarah Thompson, George Dunn, aad George Rowe came to their respective deaths by the falling of the house No. 184, Strand, and that the falling of such house is to be attributed to the gross negligence of Mr. Abrahams, the surveyor employed by the Duke of Norfolk, and the Messrs. Smith in not causing the party wall to be sufficiently shored up, and underpinned before the excavations for the new building were commenced. Before we separate we are anxious to express our approbation of the conduct of Messrs. Smith in volunteering to bear the expense of em ploying independent surveyors to ascertain the cause of the accident. The Coroner—Your verdict amounts to a verdict of man slaughter against Mr. Abrahams. That I understand to be the verdict of you all. Mr. Berger (a juror)—We did not contemplate that. We innaidered it gross negligence, arising from an error in judgment. The Foreman—We did not intend to convey a verdict of manslaughter against Mr. Abrahams. The Coroner—lf it is gross negligence, it would be so. Another Juror—We want t, avoid a verdict of man slaughter. The Coroner—l understand, you do not mean to convey that there was criminal negligence, but that there was a want of due care. Foreman—Just so, but something more than what amounts to an error of judgment. Mr. Carr (another juror)—We cannot think Mr. Abra hams deficient In judgment. The Coroner suggested that the verdict might be altered, by leaving out the words "gross negligence. The Foreman—We are anxious that our verdict should not amount to manslaughter. Mr. Berger—At the same time, we do not wish the ver dict alter ed . Another Juryman—There is no difference of opinion amongst us as to the cause of the accident ; but out of kindness to Mr. Abrahams, we wish to prevent him having to undergo the serious consequence resulting from a verdict of manslaughter. The jury then consulted for a few minutes, after which the Foreman said—We cannot retract our verdict, what. aver the eonseqosnces may be, though we did not intend to bring in a verdict of manslaughter. A verdict of manslaughter against Henry Robert Abra hams was then recorded. The coroner then issued his warrant for the apprehen sion of Mr. Abrahams; and Inspector Dod was bound over to prosecute, and the witnesses to appear at the nest Old Bailey sessions. FATAL ACCIDENT ON THE NORTH KENT RAILWAY. Last night Mr. W. Payne held an inquest at St. Thomas's Hospital on the body of Walter Chamberlain, a guard on the North Kent Railway, who met his death under the following circumstances : Robert (}ladders was the first witness. He said he was an engine driver on the South Eastern Railway, and the deceased was guard to the train. He saw the deceased at Woolwich Dockyard station at about 12 minutes to 10 on Saturday night. He asked witness if his lamps were right, and saw no more of him until he came to London, when he heard that he had been found on the top of one of the carriages. George Richardson, another guard, said he was with the train, and saw the deceased at Woolwich Dockyard. Wit ness blew his whistle, which wee returned by the de ceased. He then went to his break, and for anything he knew the deceased went to his. The deceased was sta tioned three carriages from the engine. After they left Woolwich he saw no more of the deceased until they came to London-bridge ticket platform. There, • gentleman looked out of • window, and remarked that as they were going along he heard a mash as If one of the springs were broken, but he could not tell at what part of the train it was. He had only wished him " good night " when he saw the deceased lying on the top of the fifth. carriage from the en gine, two carriages behind his break. He called to him, but received no answer, and on looking closer he found that his leg was broken. He was got off and conveyed on a stretcher to the hospital. His cap was picked up at Cheri ton noosing-gate, about half • mile from Woolwich. There was • bridge morass the line there which left about two feet clear of the top of the c►imney of the engine. Mr. Weatherhead, the station master at London-bridge station, said he had made inquiries at every station between Woolwich and London, and could not hear of the deceased having been seen between those places. He thought that the deceased is getting up had missed his carriage, and endeavouring to make his way to it over the others had come in contact with the bridge that crosses the line at Charlton. Deceased was a very steady young man. Mr. James Barnes Morton, house surgeon, said the de ceased was brought into the hospital on Saturday evening at 10 minutes to 11, quite dead. The left foot was dislo cated and the banes were protruding through the akin. He bad since made • postmortem esamin•tion, and found the liver and kidneys torn, and there was also a tear in one of the large blood vessels, from which a large quantity of blood had been effused into the cavity of the abdomen. That would cause death. There was • bruise on the lower part of the back, and a wound on the left arm. He thought the blow on the back was the cause of death, as there were marks of it upon the liver. The jury returned a verdict of " Accidental Death." LOSS OF THE ENGLISH SHIP CLEOPATRA. Letters, received yesterday from St. John's, New Brunswick, communicate the total loss of the British ship Cleopatra, Captain Levitre muter, from Liverpool, aban doned on fire, on the night of the 9rd instant, off the Banks of Newfoundland—the master and crew being rescued by the United States war sloop the Decatur, which fortunately happened to be cruising off the Banks at the time. The Cleopatra was upwards of 1,000 tons burthen. She was bound to Quebec in ballast, and was 24 days out f rom Liverpool, when fallen in with by the American war s loop, the commander of which, on discovering het condi tion, sent two officers and a number of hands to assist in getting the ship into the nearest port. She had sprung a leak, and her crew were in a most distressing condition from incessant working at the pumps. At midnight Com mander Whiffing, observing a great light in the direction the Cleopatra had steered when she parted company the previous evening, he bore down, and shortly came up with a wreck on her beam ends, and on tire. It proved to be the vessel. A gale of wind had thrown the ship over en her beams, and those in charge being unable to right her; they lighted tar barrels to signalise asoiettnce, and in the course of the night the vessel caught fire from the burning tar bar rels. The Decatur came alongside as close as possible, and all hands were taken off in safety. In about two hours afterwards the burniug wreck went down in deep water. ' Her crew saved nothing from the trued whatever. Ski wail reported to be amply insured. IRELAND. ... - ..- _ During Saturday ni g ht and the Duman greatur m part 26. of i yesterday we had a severe gale from the tt'lat and I north-west, the storm blowing at times ao furiously that several large trees were torn up from the roots in the neighbourhood of Dublin. No account of any calamity caused by the g a l e on sea h as been received. The weather has become excessively cold, and has assumed altogether a wintry aspect ; but as the great bulk of the crops is now quite wife, the harsh ness of the season cannot produce any serious effect • on our harvest business. There have not been any further accounts of the extension of the potato blight for the last two days. The state of the public health in Dublin is satisfac tory. The Lord Lieutenant has caused the following circular to be addressed to the several police magis trates of the city : Dublin Castle, 23rd Sept., 1853. Gentlemen,—l am directed by the Lord Lieutenant to call your attention to the order in council, issued on the 17th inst., for the pur pose of bringing the Nuisances Removal and Diseases Pre wen tioo Act into lull operation; sad also to the rules hailed by the Pour Law Commissioners, who now, under the provisions of the Medical Charities Act, constitute a Central Board of Health for the whole country, and it is of the greatest •n -penance at the present moment that measures of prevention should be taken with promptitude. I am to request that you will afford all possible facilities iu your office to the persons whose duty it may be to carry the provisions of the act referred to into effect. I am, gentlemen, your obedient , MMUS LARCOM." Oa Saturday afternoon the remain of the unfortunate gentleman, who passed by the name of Webster, and who committed suicide in French-street last week, were disin terred for identification under the following circumstances : Oa Friday afternoon a lady of middle age and highly respectable appearance, who said her came was Forbes, and her residence 23, Portland-place, London, called on Mr. Feenimore, police inspector, to whom she had previously written relative to the deceased, inquiring among other matters if the mark of a large scar was observed on the right leg of the deceased. The officer replied that there was some suck mark upon the tight leg ; but it would appear that Mrs. Forbes left London fur Dublin before the answer could have probably reachcdher. She now stated she had reason to consider that the deceased was her son— that his name was Julio Forbes, his age thirty-five years, he had lost some of his teeth, had been a wild young man, and fond of purchasing quantities of wearing apparel. She stated that her son had left London three years ago and proceeded to A us t ra li a , w h ere t h e h a d heard he was engaged as a shepherd; but she was not aware of his return from that country till she saw the report in the newspaper she now produced. She accounted I for his taking the name of Webster from perhaps the fact of his having cousins of that name, and his stating that he was a native of Aberdeen might have arisen from the cir cumstance of the family poesessing an estate in that shire. She then left She was accompanied on the occasion by a young gentleman, her a in. Having received an order from the Commissioners of Police to the Secretary of the Ceme tery for the disinterment of the body, she, on the following (Saturday) afternoon, accompanied by Mr. Forbes, pro ceeded to Mount Jerome, and the remains were exhumed. The coffin lid having been raised, she gazed briefly on the face of the corpse. Neither the features nor any other portion of the body presented the slightest symptom of decay. After a minute or two she exclaimed repeatedly, "'Tin he; 'tis he—that's my bey." Then, looking at his feet and placing her bawls en:them, she said, " It is not my boy—l think it is not my boy." Again, examining his face, she observed, " I feel it is my boy ; lam certain ; I am satisfied of it." Mr. F or b es sa id he thought the reaming were those of his brother ; but he had not teen him for the last ten years, he (Mr. Forbes) having been absent for seve ral years in India. This concluded the examination. The body was then recommitted to the grave, and the parties left the burial ground. Mr. Forbes gave most respectable references both in London and Dublin, and thus the MO stands fur the present. THE LORDS OF THE ADMIRALTY IN QUEENSTOWN. On the retiring of the corporation deputation, a deputation from the inhabitants of Queenstown and the other localities around the harbour, consisting of Messrs. E. B. Roche, M.P.; F. B. Beamish, M.P. ; W. Fsgso, M.P.; George Scott, Philip Scott, J. Edwards, and B. Verling, waited on the Lords of t►e Admiralty, for the purpose of presenting a copy of the resolutions adopted at a public meeting of the inhabitants of Queenstown, held at the Town Hall, on Tuesday, the 20th inst. Sir J. Benson and Mr. M. J. Barry, having been r, quested to do so, ac companied this deputation. The deputation having been received in the cabin of the yacht, Mr. E. B. ROCHE read the resolutions, which were sa follows: That a deputation be requested to wait on the Lords of the Admiralty, and direct their attention to the imperfect and neglected state of the naval establishment at Haul bowline, and urge on their lordships the expediency of completing the arrangements for • permanent dockyard long premised and partially carried out by their predeces sors when Lord Auckland held o ffi ce. That the country views with jealousy the preference given to parts in England and Wales not possessing any of the great advan tages of this harbour, thereby depriving the Irish artisans of their due proportion of government employment, and alienating their respect and attachment from this manifest sense of injustice. That the payment of wages to the crews of her Majesty's ships at the Irish stations in some English port, is a reasonable cause of complaint, withdrawing a con siderable sum from circulation amongst the tradespeople, and frequently inflicting injury both on them and the seamen with whom they have dealings. That the electric telegraph, nearly completed from London to Queenstown, renders this harbour es convenient sod as near the Admiralty for making or receiving communica tions, as Plymouth, and the superiority of this port as an eatlet makes it beyond all question of the greatest import ance to her Majesty's service. That the back adjoining Maulbowline presents most favourable sites for docks or gips, and that the great amount of convict labour available and likely to increase from the change of law, would reduce the cost of constructing such works to • comparatively small amount, and would be a valuable and self-supporting employment for the convicts. That the deputation be re grated to offer to their lordships, on the part of this meet ing, a cordial welcome to the south of Ireland, and to ex press the hope that this personal inspection of the rare capa bilities of the harbour may lead their lordships to speedily improving them, to the advantage of her Majesty's service, and the enduring benefit of this portion of the United Kingdom. (Signed) ° B. Vastuwo, Chairman. " J. HAMMOND, Secretary." Mr. FAGAN, M.P., said that in 1848 and 1847, during the period when Lord Auckland was at the head of the Admiralty it had been determined to construct • steam factory sod other works at Haulbowline, on which a sum of 15,000 L was to have been laid out, but that just then • great outcry bad been raised in parliament, respecting the immense expenditure at Keyham and other English ports, wholly unsuited, from their natural disadvantages, to the purposes for which such sums were lavished on them. Owing to this fact, perhaps, and, likewise, to the circum stance that the then engineer-in -chief to the Admiralty had introduced into his report an observation intimating that a smithy, which would not cost more than 3001., would answer all the purposes of a steam factory, the works were not proceeded with. Since then the expenditure had been very trivial; and what was sought to be im pressed on their lordships then was that, under the admini stration of his predecessor, Lord Auckland, it had been actually determined to erect a steam factory, and to avail both of the natural advantages of the harbour and the buildings erected at so mush expense on Haulbowline Is lead. He, therefore, hoped that the present board, who, he was sure, were disposed to ant fairly towards this coun try, would follow up the designs so long since formally adopted by the Admiralty authorities in reference to this Port. CiaAHAN 7 It would be well if you (tepid give any specific mode of public expenditure here, which would be expedient in reference to the general demands of the ser vice. We are perfectly aware of the great importance of this harbour to the naval service, and I think we have evinced it in the strongest manner by assembling so large a squadron here now, which is not the first time that we sent ships of war to Queenstown. I promise you that our =alone consideration shall be given to the subject, but I cannot safely promise any more ; fur of course it will de pend on the pleasure of parliament and the other members of the government. Mr. FAGAN—It often happens that vessels of her Majesty's service come in here which require refitting, but they are obliged to be towed over to Plymouth. Mr. BBAYI 9 R—We are all anxious to have • naval school here. There is one small brig, having about 100 boys on board, but no more. __ Sir JA)11111 GRAHAM—Yon are circumstanced, I think, similarly to Portsmouth and Plymouth in this respect. Capt. lffruez—Precisely ; at each of these ports a brig is stationed, on hoard of which 100 boys are trained. They have no advantage over you. Mr. Root' said that a good naval school would be most advantageous to the service. To his own knowledge men, of the farmers were anxious to bring up some of their chil drea to the sea, if they could only obtain facilities for enter ing them for the royal navy. Sir J. ChLtuen—They can be entered here at all times, on board the Sag ship, as at Portsmouth. In these respects there is no difference between the arrangements at the dif ferent ports. Mr. ROC He, M.P., would ask the particular attention of their lordships to that point in the resolution which related to the payment of ships of the royal navy. The Irish traders and artisans felt it a great hardship that even the vessels on the Irish stations were compelled to go over to English ports to be paid off. He hoped this subject would be favourably noticed. Sir JAMES GRAHAM explained that the question was one of some difficulty, but that, in fact, the entire subject of the navy payments was now under consideration. It was doubtful whether the present system would be continued, or whether, instead of paying off a vessel at the end of the period for which she was put in commission. more fre quent •,.ayments may not be decided en. In the latter case what was now complained of would necessarily cease to exist. As it was, however, both English and Irish sailors had the power of remitting money to friends and relatives, which would, of course, cause the expenditure of much of their pay in the locality to which tly be longed. et wes 4_ _ • • t tr Y_ . - 1 .• •:•.:-... .:. • - c : • 1: . .7. • ~ 1. - . j :0 )4...... 4 .,.- . .9.,