The Express. — London, England, 1852-06-15 00:00:00

131.1'EltIAL Hollfig OF WM/S.—Mose DAS, Jeut 14. The Loma CISANCILLMI took his *eat at b o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. tor:rye Curare.—By Lord BROUOIIAM, from soli citor. of Carlisle, in favour of an equity Jo/Wit:6m for comity CJUIt.. AW.SOAMENT to Cogan Re:rte.-11y the Duke of RICHMOND. front fanners in Somerset, complaining of the mode of the assessment of their estates. M AY NOOTII. The Earl of WINCHILSEA gave notice that he would, early wet scenes, move fore committee to inquire whether the mural sad religious principles inculcated by the system of education pursued in the College of Maynuuth, ate not subversive of all protestant government Lord BIIOI . IIIIAM-1 consider that to he • much letter and fairer way of entering on that important question than a say pursued —I won't say where—(hear, bear)—bat est taiely nut in your lordships boon. ti It EAT W I:STEICS. SIIItF.WSBCIIV AN D SlR htlNtellAM, AND BIRMINtiIIAM AND CHESTER RAILWAY COMPANIES ANIALOANIATION BILL. Lard BEAU MONT moved that one of the standing orders of the noose should be dispensed with in the case of the Great Western, Shrewebory and Itirnsicithem, and the Shrewsbury and Chester Railway Companies Arnalgaivatioa Bill. which, he contended, involved the question whether there should be only one wars of COMMUIlleat it'll beta. en London and the Mersey. After some discussion the motion was negatised without a divides. EDUCATIONAL. GRANTS. The Marmsie of LANSDOWNE said that he wished to let himself right in the opinion of the noble lord opposite., rind in that of the houee,w it h respect to the alteration which. it was alleged, the committee of council bud made in the management clauses as regarded the Jewish schools attar the education grant had been voted by parliament. lie stated in reply to the noble earl that he (the Marquis of Lansdowne) was convinced that no material alter ation had been made by the late government after the vote had been granted. But since then he had an opportunity of referring to the exact dates, and he found that so far trout there being • precedent to Foment the present government, the reverse was the case ; for it actually appeared by a letter, dated the 14th of January, and addressed by the Committee of the Privy Cowie' to the Jewish Committee, that unless arrangements were made which would satidy the Committee of the Privy Council previous to the edueatiim vote being taken, n.l sub.equent vote could be taken by which they could benefit. This did not depend on auy statement of his, but on the authority of the minute which hail been laid on the table of the house. At the came time he said that the statement made by the noble earl W4S matte inadvertently, and that he was per kctly ratistie I with the assurance he understood him to have given that no proceeding would take place of a mate rial or novel nature with giving parliament. and especially the other house of parliament, an opportunity of judging of the change. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of DERBY said that on Friday last he an swered the question of the noble marquis, and explained the circumstances under which the minute was made with out intending to nitre any discussion. But, after he had made that &planation, lie received from the noble roarqnis an expression of rather severe censure for the course which the government took, nut with regard to the auhetanee ul the minute itself, but for the fact of laying it on the table at all. Nat expecting that a discussion would be raised, lie did not come down to the house prepared to meet the noble marquis as to the statement that the government had pur posely abstained from laying the minute on the table till they obtained the vote of the House of Commons in favour of the educational grant. That was an observation so dis creditable to the government that he could not allow it to pass without observation. When the noble marquis said that no alteration had been made by the late government after the vote had been obtained without subnutting it to parliament and asking fur its sanction, it occurred to him that in 1b39 they consented to give assistance to the Jewish schools after the vote was passed. Recollect that the statement was, that no material alteration hail ever been made after the vote was obtained. Now, the facts were these : In 11447, 100,0001. was voted for educational purposes on the 26th April. On the 10th of July a sup plementary minute—represented as one of great import ance—was passed to enable the committee of I'rivy Coun cil to give assistance to many schools from which they were formerly debarred by the previous minute,. That supple mentary minute passed on the 10th of July, and the effect of it wix to admit to the benefit of the grant those schools which refused to be inspected or reported on with regard to religious instruction. That was an important alteration of principle. The vote peeled on the 20th of April, the supplementary minute was made on the 16th of July, and it was not even laid on the table of the house till it was asked for in the other Muses parliament. He commented on the matter on the :l2nd July, and on the 23rd July parlia ment was prorogued previously to the dissolution. (Hear.) Ile thought their lordships would be of opinion, under all the circumstances of the ease, that this was a material alte ration of the rules of the Privy Council, entered into while parliament was sitting, but not laid before parliament till within two or three days of the prorogation prior to diesoln thin, although the vote had been taken six weeks before. l'ast'ing over minor instances of the same kind, he presumed their lordships would be of opinion that the management clauses themselves fanned rather an important alteration of the system. (Hear.) They were adopted in 11447. The vote for that year of 100,0001. was taken on the 26th of April; the management clauses, A, 13, C, and I), regu lating the whole restrictions for the first time imposed upon the greats to the National Society, bore date on the 214th June, 1617; and for the first time they were laid before parliament not in the course of that session—(hear, hear)—not previous to taking the grant—but not until they were presented in the Blue-book laid before the house sub sequent to taking the vote in the succeeding simian. (Hear, hear.) Tho management clauses were pared after the vote was takes. ond while parliament was sitting; but they were only submitted to parliament in the blot hook, after the vote of the fallowing year was taken. (Hear, bear.) That vote was taken ou the 21st Augnek 1848. The manage meat dames contaised in that tint beak were laid before that lemishipa' boom en dint same ilsy—the 21st, hut they amend net to Mee been loth behm ski House of Com mis ME the thall—the day Air the vote was taken. (Haim hem) lie= OM 41127 MOM the alterations of those samegemeat dame had arm be separately laid on the table of the holm. The vent im 1849 was taken on the ith of Jam; tad th e revised menagnesat clauses, as ap tly the miasma et the Pdyy Cisme% were, for the Wthee. __ranked to mamma ea the lith of Jona. These were then Impedes% au=s i t which, contrary tiss statement of the side great alterations IMO mole while pediewmat was , sitheament to tabby the vete he the pan end they had net boas maw ammismed to peederseM Mdl tut the met seades. Om et these alterations baly the istredueden of the Mole spasm of the amaggemedi rosy winch:wen net ae maghtaalter alien de am demmeint Mimed to the iiiiemthatheth foe their nem*. ether elasase ia their peesset s seised shape.He lamed their leethhige wow satielled that the geemaimet betamx soled whited gateedeat. At the 111100 time he nest swot middy abides, he himself said eel lemma my dean's wlhallsoor Is withdraw from the idlest cioneitheatlea of pediment thle se say other sharatiess that light be megessil. If the sable marquis wired at my time M theme the wont otheadom well. were mesa tomiy hot ilatortimml whisk he ((Lid NAP= Might dews to the hem with him, he *soli be mod baggy ha meet the noble womb ea the particulars of the am. As to the mamba thee of tho alteration being semi en, he of mem the Mom that he did n. t know at that time whether the meddle peat for education had pseud the hams of Commas or mi. And if it would he any satisfaction he the adds memite, Its would tell him why that paid/War time wee ahem he net longer delay. fag coming to a ort the wafts. The annual infttiny of the ddieml bier ons to take pleas en the followiag Thaliday end the WYNIZIIMIM were armed- In elf &meth. by emis disestism es thay lamed would meet the dem of modisalle men in the ohm* to preyed the repetitisa of a thesomisa whisk Melt ghee lest year, mite reseeeth the peat bed, of dillistuses ea • point which had been the subject of most unfortunate and, be thought, of very unprofitable disemies. After some discussion between several other lords the die/melon dropped. EXTRADITION OF OFFENDERS. ABANDON- I MENT OF THE BILL. Lord MALNIESBURY, in reply to soma remarks by Lord 13110r0)14M, said that he had some down M the house intending to inform their lordships at the pepper moment that the government had thought Bt, at present. yo withdraw this bill. His statement on Friday night, as te the law of France had originated in an error of the person who wrote the despatch on this subject —an error which ow ambassador at Paris had requested him to explain in the way he had dune. Before leaving the subject ho wished to state that it would be extremely dangerous to continue the act of parliament under the new law which had beea passed in France, (Hear, hear.) In the first place, they could not properly understand the full bearing of that men sure. As far as he understood it at present, the Freath government meant to claim any criminal in any part of the world wherever he had committed an offence, even if that offence were not committed oa French ground. Lord 111101.1011 AM said that nothing could be more satisfactory than this course, and nothing could be more complete than the justification of the noble earl for so act ing. Ile could do no other, after finding that he had been misinformed as to the actual state of the French law. The new law was, that as Englishman, for au offence committed in London, or alleged to be so committed, might be brought to trial is France, and dealt with by the French authori ties. (Hear, hear.) Lord LYNDIR RST said that by the *lilting BAreselt law, supposing the bill before the house to have been ear ned, an Englishman might have been eppreheaded hew after he had been in Paris. (Hear, hear.) CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that the house go into committee upon this bill, and expressed • Imps the their lordships would approve of its provisions, which be explained. The Karl of DERBY said the object of the hit', as Jed explained by the noble marquis was one in which they would all concur with the other house in giving theiravent. But he objeetesl that the hill allowed an investigation into alleged corrupt practices in any borough to he instituted on • vote of the House of Commons instead of an ad dross to the crown, concurred in by the llowe of Lords. Ile also intimatzd that he should move amendments exempting counties and universities, and limiting the power of inquiry into consecutive elections to cases where the bribery was practised continu ctuly, and excepting those where • yure election intervened. He should also oppose that provision which placed treating ou Use scone (mom; with bribery. After some discussion, their lordships west iatO corn. mit•ee on the bill. In committee Lewd Desot's first amendment requiring the assent tit the House of Lords to the issuing of any cam mission of inquiry wss carried, after discussion, by 78 4. 34 votes. Another division we. taken against the provision whieh cl ism, bribery soil truntine together, and Lord ' el 'a amendment was carried by 6$ to 3.5 wise. I The remitting/ clauses were then agreed to, and their j lordships resumed. DIFFERENTIAL LW h:".1 BILL. .- • . ...••••• bill vv.. , teal A third tune and passed. The other bilk on the paper were advanced a stage, and their lorilatiipv adjourned at a quarter-past 12. HI )CSI: OF COMMONS.—NIONDAT, JUNE It The SI.NAILER took the t hair at 12 o'clock. NEW MEMBER. Lord MANDEVILLE took the oaths and his seat for Hunt ingdonshire. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Loot simenilminits to the following bills were Agreed to liastcrii Counties Railway (Power to use the East Anglian ►tailways, /4.e.) ; Edinburgh and Tilasgow Railway; !minion and North-Western Railway (No. 2); lamilmiderry Itri.lge (No. I) ; Londonderry Bridge (No. Tfr , • I mproccmcnt ; BILLS hoes A Tllll AND Posen.—Tees Con servant" ; Torquay Extramural Cemetery; Bills. NEW ltVElt COMPANY (To IMPIiOVE TUE Sur. OF WAT h:lt, &c.) BILL. After some discussion this bill woo then road a third time ai d passed. ItAMMS(i.trE ROYAL lIARBOITIt BILL. Ou the order of the uay fur considering this bill. Mr. lll'll.SON complained of the grievances endured by the shipping tun rest from the exaction of tolls from pa,alug Ranriaate, and mused that the bill be read a third time that day three months. After some discussion, The house diviii,ll. The numbers were— I or thu amendment l3O Against it The hill was therefore thrown out. 'lite Torquay Market and Slaughter Houser bill was considered and ordered to be read a third time. PUBLIC BVSINESS. MILITARY INTIMIDATION AT TILE ENSISKIL• LEN ELECTION. On the motion that the Speaker leave the chair, and the house go into committee of supply, Mr. S. CRAWFORD said ha wish ...it to inquire of the government whether any inquiry had been made, or would be instituted regarding the alleged proceedings of General Thomas at Enniskillen, on the 19th of May lam, tor the Grpoac of exercising an undue influence over Sergeant .Itlnley, a pensioner residing in the said town, with refe rence to the disposal of his vote at the next general election ? The SECRETARY-AT-WAR read a letter of explana tion from General Thomas, and other documents, in refer ence to the charge brought against him of employing his intim nex as the military of in command to coerce the vote of a pensioner at the late Enniskillen election, in which canvassing the men on behalf of Mr. Whiteside was admitted, but the alleged intimidation wax denied. lie (the gallant secretary) considered Gen. Thomas hail acted with Imprudence, but that be hail not been guilty of military inti midation. Helmeted, after the reading of these documents, that every member of that house who gave credence to the tes timony of ,dh,ers and gentlemen, would feel convinced that the allegations of the memorial were not true ; . while, at the same time, he must repeat hie regret that General Thomas should have been led into the indiscretion of at all alluding to the subject. (Hear. hear.) He had only further to thack the house for the attention with which they had lis tened to his explanation. _ SUPPLY. The house then went into eooTtinittee of supply. The first Tote was 12,0001. for establishments at Hong- Karig. Sir J. PAKINGTON, in reply to Mr. Mown, promised that the Tote should be taken into consideration in future estimates. After a few words from Lord D. STVAiIt and Sir O. STAUNTON, Mr. F. SCOTT expressed his satisfaction at the prospect of some reduction lb the vote for this isolony. The vote was then agreed to. The vote of 4,000/. for the colony of Labuan gave rise to some discussion (commenced b y i Mr. PATTEN) on the subject of • dispute between Sir J. Brooke and the Eastern Archipelago Company, consequent on impediments thrown in the way of the company by the rajah. Secretary Sir J. PAKINGTON intimated that legal proceedings were pending on the subject. Mr. S. HERBERT quoted from public documents dis tinct charges of improper interference on the part of the rajah. Mr. F. SCOTT animadverted on the anomalous position of Rajah Brooke—as a foreign rajah, a British consul, • foreign proprietor, and the governor of • British colony, all at the same time. The vote was agreed to. On the vote of 356,7151.. for the militia, Mr. 111.711 E said he did not intend to aivide the house on this vote, but he objected to and protested against it as • whet vote, and, having entered his protest against it, he should leave it. The rote was then agreed t The house ft. 111020, the enatansts reported progress, and, it being 4 o'clock, the adjournment took plate. The house resumed MR. FEARGUS O'CONNOR._ Mr. J. BELL prewuted • petition from Hannah Bar nard Brown O'Connor, praying that Mr. Feargus O'Connor may be liberated, by order of the house, from the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arras, with • view to his being placed in a lunatic asylum. I move (said the boo. gentle man, amid cheering), that the petition be read by the clerk at the table. _ . The petition was accordingly read to the house. The petitioner states that she is the sister and nearest surviving relative of Mr. O'Connor. She refers to the medical cer tificates regarding Mr. O'Connor's state of mind, which had been placed in the hands of the Sergeant -at-Arms, through the instrumentality of Mr. Bell, as justifying the prayer of her petition. Mr. WALPOLE raid (when the petition had been read) This is a matter of urgency ; and I beg leave to give notice that after the orders of the day I shall move for a committee to inquire into all the facts of the case as alleged in the pe tition, and to report to the house upon those statements. An lion. Ms —Why not nowt (Load cries of " Yes, yes, now, now.") Mr. HINDLEY—There are 36 orders on the paper. The right boa. gentleman bad better more now for the commit tee. (Dear, hear.) Mr. WALPOLE—I have no objection to more now the appointment of a committee ; but that is all I can do ; for I am not quite prepared with the names. The right hoe. gentleman then sat down, without moving tor the commit. toe. Accordingly there were cries of " Move, move ;" and after some little confusion, the right hon. gentleman again rose, and moved " that a committee be appointed," he., which was agreed to. THE NATIONAL SOCIETY AND THE QUEEN'S LETTER. Ilkaseary WALPOLE, ia laying on the table the aiMla sitlawnali altering the management clauses of the Neduri IMsettleasl Grant, stated, in reply to Mr. S. A. "Wm that as the Archbishop of Canterbury had as yet ads so application for the Queen's letter, under which a ' pinks a** funds were raved, he could give no answer on tha Ont. 0151T..13.1 WI • 11l Mt. WALPOLE, inanswer to Mr. Lamm, announced art the Corporation of London had submitted a plan to the Plamegase,whieh had been approved, to take Copenhagen- Lli the site for the new Bm4kiteld market.. Mr. B. COCIIRANE (pursuant to notice) put this ques tion to Sir J. Pakington : Whether it is the intention of the government to devote any portion of the sum of 14,0831., granted to her Majesty for the purposes of emigration, and towards the accommodation of emigrants at the Port of Southampton, in conformity with the report of Mr. Lean, of the Government Emigration °Mee ?" The hoe. member added, that the " tenders" sent in by the South Western Company were exceedingly low, compared with former rates for the conveyance of emigrants. Sir J. PAKINOTON said—l am quite ready to admit the great advantages which Southampton possesses as a port for the departure of emigrants. I beg to state that measures are in progress to carry out the objects referred to; of enures with a duo regard to general considerations, and to the public convenience. Amongst other questions, ; expense is an element in these considerations ; and although, as the hon. gentleman says, the tenders made last year by the South-Western Railway Company were low, yet he must remember that the conveyance by railway is only a small portion of the general expense. At the close of this year tenders will be required for a renewal of the contract, and I Southampton will be quite free to compete with other places. JOINT.STOCK COMPANIES' LAW. Mr. CiiiciiiieilyioiiiriiLlllll ; f3;:iniiinated a probability of the introduction of a bill neat year to pre vent the evanion of the Joint Stock Act. THE FROME VICARAGE COMMITTEE. Mr. G6l7ll,lll.l:4puiinestiOriato Sii.li;r;man: The hon. member, he said, has given notice that he will this , evening nominate the committee on the Frome vicarage case. The committee consists (on the paper) of 18 mem , hers; and I wish to know why that number, instead of 16, the usual number in such a cane, has been adopted ; also, is it certain that he will proceed in the matter this evening; and also whether, in the event of the nomination being agreed to, the hon. member will accede to the motion of Mr. Gladstone, viz., that Mr. Borman " do reduce intoheada or articles the several charges which he has made in his place against Richard Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells, and 0417 Sag i t t i;, 4 ! m it i h . eV: o is r ar m Lie ies to to t t his ‘ to h o use ." the I of the committee tli: n eve n nin n It to to t sit e t lof fi ft een, not eighteen, members: the th ree . names beyond the fifteen being introduced only by a printer's error, which l have explained to the clerk at the table. I have been in communication with the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Dis raeli), and I am in hopes that after supply I may be allowed to bring the subject on, in order to avoid the difti eulty which would arise If I had to wait until after all the orders of the day have been disposed of. As for the last question, I think it is for the house, n it for me, to decide. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) has stated that the course he proposes 1 should take is in eon forma), with precedent and constitutional law. If the right Imo. gentlem in does show that, and if it should be, conse quently, the pleasure of the house that I should reduce my cam to " heads" or " articles," I shall of course be bound kg As eensratioda of the house to do what I can to conduct' tie Inquiry satisfactorily to the house and to the right hon. 149111eman. (Ilea, bear.) Wor. DISRAELI—It is my wish to facilitate the ap pointment of the committee, and if I could be enured that no diestanion world take place en the names, I should waive any privilege of the government, and give the hou. gentleman the opportunity ke seeks. But lam not satisfied by the inquiries I have made since I saw the hon. gentle men this morning that there will not be a lengthy discus sion; and, under the circumstances, I must forego the inten tion I hail. The hours of the house are counted : and there is a great deal of business that must be attended to. But I shall watch the progress of public business, and if I ran I will facilitate the hon. gentleman's object. At present, I cannot pledge myself. Mr. GLADSTONE—This mast be understood. As the hon. gentleman does not ate mute to anent to the motion I have made, and as the point involved is of constitutional importance, of course it will be necessary for me to detain the house at considerable length in making the motion. (Great laughter.) The hon. gentleman must take measures accordingly. (Continued laughter.) Mr. HORSMAN—AII the gentlemen I have named for the committee have expressed their readiness to serve. Mr. ULADS'fONE—I said the other night nothing should induce me to go into that committee unless the esta blished course I propose is taken by the hon. gentleman. Sir F. KELLY—My name is down for the committee. Tho hou. !gentleman does not assert that I ever was con sulted or consented? Mr. HOItSMAN—No ; but I gave the Chancellor of the Exchequer a list of the committee, and he struck out one name, and put down instead that of the Solicitor-General. (Great laughter.) Ceder such circumstances, I think I am guiltless of want of courtesy to the hoe. and learned gentleman. Mr. 1/1:-.1ZAELI—No doubt I hail the communication with the hon. gentleman, but there was a preliminary con dition,' sad I said , provided all thew other gentlemen as sented, no doubt you could take the Solicitor-General. (Great laughter, caused by the appareat confusion and he• sitatioe of the right hon. geotlemaa.) I did distinctly un derstand that the right hoe. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) had vented, sad hence my proposal. Sir V. KELLY—After this explanation, I, of course, acquit the hon. gentleman of any want of courtesy. (Much laughter, the hon. and learned gentleman markedly excluding Mr. Disraeli from the acquittal.) But I beg to say that when the time 'alien I will put some questions before consenting to serve on the committee. (This sen tence, as implying insubordination, increased considerably the merriment of the house.) THE MAYNOOTII REPAIRS ESTIMATE. Mr O. C. LEWIS, in answer to a question from Mr. MON/411.L, stated that the late government had had no intention of omitting a grant for the repairs of tha build ings of Maynooth College from the estimates, and that, had they continued in office, such a vote would have been proposed. LORD JOIIN RUSSELL'S REVIEW OF TILE SESSION. On the question that the report of the committee of supply be received, Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said-1 am at all times un willing to bong questions relating to the foreign policy of the government before the attention of the house. I think that, generally speaking, it is very difficult to judge of the conduct of the government with respect to particular transactions in which they may be concerned with foreign powers. But the case I am about to call the attention of the house to is a special one. Tee government has, of its own accord, without any pressure on the part of the house of which I am aware, produced a correspondence respecting the assault made on Mr. Mather at Florence. These papers arc presented to both houses by command of her Majesty. Raving read those papers it could not but occur to me that if they were left altogether unnoticed by members of this house, such members as might have the good fortune to be elected to the next parliament would be told that they had taken no notice of the subj' et ; that having these papers before them in the month of June they took no notice of them, and that, therefore, it was presumed they had no' fault to find with the conduct of the government. Now itippears to me, although it is not necessary or ad visable to come to any resolution, yet that it is advisable that the members of this house should not be supposed to be committed to an approbation of the course which has been pursued by the government—(hear, hear)--and, therefore it is I think it necessary to call the attention of the house to those papers. (Rear, hear.) The house wil t recollect that at the end of December last year two young gentlemen of the name of Mather, one I think of the age of 19 and the other of the age of 17, being in Florence, in a crowded street, attempted to cross the street between a detachment of an Austrian regiment and the military band preceding the detachment, mad that one of these gentlemen, the elder of the two, re 'shred first a blow on the back, next a severe blow on the bee • and when he was recovering from that blow, received a oat with • sword which opened his skull, and placed him is a situation of some danger. I do not mean to say that the iajary was of inch a kind as to endanger life, but it was • very urious blow, leading to serious coneequences. COOL 'hint was made on behalf of the young gentleman to Lord Onaville, then Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, who iMlMatffiately wrote to Mr. Sculett, acting as Chargi d'Allialres at Florence for this country. Lord Oran- Ale likewise wrote to the Earl of Westmoreland, bar Majesty's Minister at Vienna, stating to him the facts ease as they had been reported. But in the mean. lime a report had been received from Mr. Barlett stating that • formal inquiry had been asked for, that that formal gagairy was to be instituted, and wan about immediately aramenoe. Lord Grenville therefore added at As SIM tibia downtols that at that moment he hail no official in sranba..l,skin bat that in ease of an inquiry not being' fatly ainelanied, Of of any attempt to suppress the truth, then, as he states, her Majesty's government would look to the court of Austria, and would no doubt receive Has proper reparation. I should now mention, however, that Mr. Mather, sen., has made a representation with re slant le what was said in this house, as which he boa not be= ostrectly informed. He states that it has been said be •i bane by myself that it was proposed that Mr. lialitirm dent proceed before the molar tribunals of Flans.. I asearnade any each stateneaß I may have ben an mis mipsensted be seem newapeper ; bat the statesman I did Isabel lad .seemly in listioni ; mg that statinent was tag *judicial bong had boa wdeag reopening the case. Tide being the one. Mr. Ileadsti ben Tuscaa nlainat a pandes aa ingdm inipairy wee pati o Inelliated by tint gonennatt. Mm the first whisk arises ea this subject is,what was Ism native of lbe dense ? the snead, what wee the =in to be rogibed ? Of eeneen the emend ta e ndem ea tin Oink _bus.) If ti slim WIN =2 WORM a me nd Rapootairff, sine of loperegan weali be nipleal; if it wan merely aidinnad, a different Mad of sepandon, not Vale so mai in extent, would ban ban maffielmat. ow, bare biked into the pupae be mkt le misatain what was the view takes by Übe Earl et Molearabiny. It appears that gin statesman insie on this subject by the two parties are gollifiteg i maw anilictiop than I at first supposed. Mr. Man - eine Oat ha was nramiag, In order to get bnablet ell a millinebeass where In wee neentotned to breaking I that be saw that the thins, IMMO very much mowed; that be crossed be ams OM Inope sad a lima ef neele &i there bang Ant Alp p es ie Ulnas e w ns tbeil la ea be was eine& yby as ins the ; balk wilt the of a sword ; that be tuned rand tad asked the Meer why he struck him ; that imanillaisly afterwards be wee struck la the bee en, violently lg oaths/ ; and that he sewridlig *Wu the him cal bed meareely recovered whoa tho first Ahoy, aim hail a drawn sword in his band, eat Yes down, and he 111111 died a severe wound. I The amount elm by the Amid= Ahem is very different. They snan-1 Ann their etaiment km the report of Maciallaoherkat Mr. Medlar bid several warnings that be nee aseasing before a sneer awl Impeding the antra the be did ass nisi their warming', but turned slily to thew allow; that when be bed been struck a Mew ia the face by the second officer he hansiodiately pat =if in an attitude of defence, in what Marshal liadetaky a " boxing attitude "—(laughter)-raosi that he was advancing towards this officer iu • menacing manner whoa be was struck down. Now, the house will see that there is the greatest difference between these two statements. la ibe on. cue, it appears that the offence was wholly wanton aid aatscxvoked ; in the other, it appears that it had at Wei this justification, or, if not justification, palliation, =kapplared to the officer that Mr. Mather was about to lan, and that be only prevented what he called a illieneseable insult by striking him with his sword. Well, em, Limturally looked to see what was the character wkieb Lard Malmesbury attributed to this transaction, whether he took this one view or the other. It appears to me that the course which he might have taken without de ciding at once what was the character of the transaction, was to have had the witnesses confronted with one another, and evidence taken as to the facts. That is the way in which we should have pro ceeded in this country. However, it appears that ao such course was taken. It never appears to have occurred to the government to ark to have the facts ascertained. =on the one hand, Mr. Mather and the Tuscan wit- Nam in one story, while they declare that this un firseasato man was struck and was staggering under the blew, when he received another blow which cut him down, the statement is quite as po-itive on the other side that the set of Mr. Mather provoked what took place. I will read to the house what Marshal Itedetsky says on the sub jest; remarking heft re I do so that he appears to set aside, as of no value, the inetitution of an inquiry by the °road Duke of Tuscany at the solicitation of Mr. Scarlett. Mar shal Radetsky said that the Tuscan witnesses did not repr► sent the matter as it 'weaned, inasmuch es they pretended to have remembered nothing menacing in the conduct Mr. Mather, and he went on to say that fnim :he character and the previous conduct ef the officer, he was of opinion that ha wao in the right, and that he absolutely dill nothing Dot lifbeithe was justified in iluing.Why. this is n very per mo notyedneation on the part of Marshal Itadeteky. W e ll, h er '1 government having taken no means of ascertain lag the troth, one would at least have supposed that they would decide which was the story to be believed; that they THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JLfNE 15, 1852. would gather have end, " Here is a most unprovoked smash, according to the declarations of Mr. Slather and the Tuscan w inmate," or " This seems to have been an accidental encounter, partly uccasioned by Mr. Mother's placing himself in a threatening attitude." Now, I have found, to my astonishment, in looking through the papers, that Lord Malniesbury adopts both views—(laughter)— that he adopts the story that the affair was an unprovoked and wanton outrage, and that he also adopts the story that it was accidental and for tuitous. In the one case he says that the evidence which had been obtained conclusively established the fact that there had been an unprovoked outrage WI a British subject; whet' he writes afterwards to Lord Westmoreland ho assumes that the affair was " caused by a concourse of fortuitous and unfortunate circumstances ;" and then he proceeds altogether on that suppueition, setting aside the statement that there was en unprovoked end wanton out rage. What is most remarkable in this matter is that when a despatch has to be addressed to Tureany the a f f air is a " wanton end unprovoked insult," and when one has to be addressed to Vienna it is nothing more than an unfortunate accident. (Hear, hear.) In what wee written to thin:nee there occurs a yeomen which I find P. quite imposable to understand. Lord Malmesbury gam " My determination is that Mr. Mather shall get what he could obtain from an English court had he been cut down by a dragoon in ilyde Park by accidentally hustling a soldier." I cannot understand how a man could be cut down by hustling a soldier. (Laughter.) His hustling the soldier might induce the soldier to cut him down, but how his accidentally hustling a soldier could cut him down I cannot understand. (Laughter.) Mr. Addington, writing by the desire of Lord Malmesbury to Mr. Mather, see., says, " Mr. Scarlett has succeeded in obtaining for your son a practical acknowledg ment fur the unmerited and brutal treatment which he se ceived." (Hear, hear.) Now, an accident occurring by mistake is not unmerited sad brutal treatment. (Rear, hear.) It may be vary violent, but the moment it is ad mitted to be an accident, the brutality ceases and cannot he maintained. So that it appears that with regard to the very first question, namely, what was the character of the injury, Lord Malmesbury was never able to make up his mind. lie talks two languages. (Hear, hear.) Ile %sites to Florence that it was au unprovoked outrage, and to Vienna that it was fortuitous. (liter, hear.) Well, then, it is not surprising that her Majesty's government, having taken no steps whatever to ascertain the truth with respect to this matter, having never made up their mind whether they would believe Mr. Mather end his brother, who seemed to mo unexceptionably plain, straightforward, and trust worthy, and whether they would take the corroboration of that story by all the Florentines who happened to he un the spot, or whether, on the contrary, they would take the word of ;Marshal itailetnky as to his having instituted a military inquiry, and that the result was to show that the Austrian officer was not blameable in the transaction ; it in no wonder, I say, that being in such:doubt as to the character of the transaction, her dolujesty'a government should not have behaved very consistently with regard to the reparation to be made. I have said already that Lord Granville asked for ample reparation from the government of Tuscany, considering that government responsible in the first icatauce for the act, though he likewise said that if the inquiry did not produce the desired effect ho should hold the Austrian government aisu bound to make reparation. I hat, I think, was the right manner of placing the case. I think both governments were responsible. Now, I must say that I think Mr. blather placed the case in the hands of Lcrd Granville, and of course, also, in the hands of Lord Granville's successor, in as fair a manner as he possibly could. lie took certain objections —very reasonable objec tions—to placing the case before a Tuscan court of law ; but he said that he and his sou were entirely in the bands of the government, and if the government deemed it best, for reasons of state, to take such a course, he did not object. Now, nothing could be more honourable than that posi tion. His son had suffered a great deal ; lie himself had gone through great anxiety at Florence, where 1110 found his eon suffering seriously from the injury. But he claims nothing for himself ; he says, " Do you pre scribe a wane, and though it may not be that which I think desirable, I shall be willing to submit; your course will be my course." Now, I say no one could stand in a better position than Mr. blather. Lord Malmesbury, however, has contrived that Mr. Mather, who was the ob ject of the inquiry, and Mr. Scarlett, the person who en deavoured to obtain justice for him, should be the only persons to suffer. (Hear, hear.) Ile has so contrived mat ters that, while the Austrian officer gets off with some i Mr. blather's character is injured, and Mr. &afloat lieu a very cruel censure passed upon him. (Ikar, hear.) Now, with regard to Mr. blather I will show what happened. Ile is invited to a conference with Lord Malmesbury, and at that conference he is told that Lord MAMCS. , bury having been obliged to indicate that he thought personal reparation shoeld he obtained, wished to have his opinion upon the subject. Nothing can be more clear than that, as to his obtaining a sum of money, Mr. Mather did not wish to press it Being tasked, however, to name a sum, he names 5,0001., saying, at the same time, " This I consider to be the sum which is due for my son's anxiety, and for his wound, and likewise for the injury that has been done to the honour of this country." Now, whether that demand were right or not, it is quite clear that Mr. Mather had no business to fix a sum to be given, under international law. (Hear, hear.) That was not a question for him, and he had always telt that it was not. When he blanked again to fix a sum, he says it is with the greatest reluctance that he names it, but, considering that the offence was committed against all laws, civil and international, he can not name less than 5,0001. Well, he might have named 50,0001. or 100,000/. But Lord Malmesbury was evidently the person to fix the sum. (Hear, hear.) I think he was quite wrong in asking Mr. blather to name a sum ; but having done so, he should have said to him if he thought the amount too large, I do not think the injury to international law requires the sum of 4,0001.; I will in qure of the Queen's Advocate what is s proper sum in this ease; I will inform you of his opinion, and I shall ask for that sum and no ether. I remember a case in which the noble lord, the member for Tiverton, was called upon to make a demand. A British merchant in South America had been imprisoned ; the noble lord asked the Queen's Advocate what ought to be given to him as com pensation. The Queen's Advocate said that twenty pounds a day was the sum which ought to be paid. The noble lord wrote immediately to the American govern ment and asked for that sum. The merchant himself thought the sum should be much greater ; but the noble , lord, who understood the business of his department—' (cheers)—did not say, " You, a private merchant, should tell me exactly what reparation you require," bet ke said, " I will settle the matter after consulting permute sompin toot to eve me an opinion upon the subject. Well, Lead Yalwbury having committed this great mistake, still had 11 in Ids power to repakit so far u to say, " I will put that tar said.; I think 1,0001. or 6001. is the sum which omen le be demanded ; I think the reparation ought to be be inettayk" a sea of money being, as the noble lord aye In NW el Ida " tv nsible," (Laughter.) I think this eon end I shall ask for it." Can say man doubt OW Mt. would in that case have said " 1 shall be suite euythisg which the Reverential ei niff ili se, ant coma, Mike fit ; if they think that remak" ern. dent, let them ask for it; the responsibility as disks. net aloe ?" All that Mr. Mather amid to Lotd Granville ism very clearly that such was the view which he took ef Me nature of the offence. But what does Lord Maknedury do? He does not fix a sum ; he does not tell Mr. Noire what he thinks it ought to be; but he writes • general di rection to Mr. Scarlett to obtain a sum of money, and tells him that Mr. Mather has asked the sum of 4,0001., which he (Lord Malmesbury) considers exorbitant. (Hear.) Now, look at the injury which is thus done to Mr. Mather. Mr. Mather stood in the position of • man saying, " My son has suffered a cruel injury ; I have suf. kted a cruel injury, and I have put the cue in the hands of the government of my country to do what they think fit." The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs has no better means of obtaining redress than by asking him how much 'be thinks his son's wound is worth; and, having obtained Ike mention of a sum, he sends to Florence to proclaim that Mr. Mather is a man who has asked an exorbitant sum for Ms briery which he has received. (Hear, hear.) Acerrd bey we have since seen a despatch from Mr. Scarlett, declaring that the Tuscan government thinks the sum ex- Orbitant ; that it is well known that an exorbitant sum has Men asked, and that the sympathy which has been felt for Mr. Mather is very much abated by that know. ledge. (Hear, bear.) And this is the way in which the Foreign Secretary obtains redress for a man who has been evidently and undoubtedly in jured. (Hear, hear.) A man who has made • complaint ea Ma of an undoubted injury is put by hint in the situa tion of a person who is greedy of money, and whose only object is to obtain a large sum from the Tuscan government. The Tuscan government say, " Here is a man asking for as exorbitant sum ;" the public of Florence say the same; sad eke character of Mr. blather is injured by the very penes who ought to have defended him. The whole owe was left to be understood at Florence as that of an unreasonable demand on the part of Mr. I Mather. Indeed in the note to Mr. Scarlett I find these words, " I have received from Mr. Mather a statement that he will he satisfied with the sum of 5,01,0/. Her Majesty's government, however, consider that aunt to he greater than they ought to demand from the Tuscan government." Well, then, the question arises, what di rections were g iven to Mr. Scarlett as to the sum which he should deman d ? It having been settled that there should not be any inquiry, it would have been far betterto ascertain the entire of the injury, and then to determine what public and maternal reparathe should lie made. But Lord Malmesbury, haring decided in favour of pecuniary redress, does not lay down no, sum that the Tuscan' government ought to take. What he says is, that her Majesty's government ' , expect and require that a sum proportionate to the sue. and indignity inflicted on Mr. Mather, junior, should li b= sea compensation for the outrage inflicted on his OM" Ausedingly Mr. *erten wrote a note, in which lie and, " I have asked for a pecuniary sum, proportionate to his sufferings and indignities." (Ilest, hear.) In another despatch Lord Malmesbury says, " A sum of money should be demanded," and " if the principle is admitted, we shall mot be very long in agreeing about the terms." Again, oe the oth of April, hr said, " You must, if pomible, getlool. fur Mr. Mather; or be should have such a sum as would buy him an annuity: that is what he would have gut is England." Ilow Lord Malmesbury knew what sum *could have been given in England, I cannot say ; but mind, Lord fitilmesbury'a words are, " If possible, get hoot. for Mr. Mother." All. Scarlett hinds that he cannot get 5001. ; hut at length he comes to an agreement with the Tuscan government which I must say in not a very satisfrctory one, and which it appears to me he ought never to have consented to sign without sending home for further instruction". (Ilea, hear.) But, be it observed, up to that time Lord Matinee bury had never told Mr. Scarlett precisely what it was that he was to ask for. lie had laid, " You must, if possible, get 5001.;" but those words left • latitude of discretion to Mr. Scarlet,. If he had said, " You must obtain 500 f. (or any other sum), Ind no less will be receives:," Mr. Scarlett would have understood that instruction ; but he gays, " You must, if possible, get 6001. " and Mr. Scarlett, being in great anxiety, makes, as I daink, a very unbecoming agreement; he agrees to bike 2'201., and he very strangely says that lie will be satisfied with that sum peovided the Messrs. Stratford are liberated. (Laughter.) No doubt Mr. Searlett is to blame for having finally made such on agreement; but it is a great palliation of Mr. Sear lett's conduct that he had never received any specific in struction as to what ho was to ask for. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, Lad Maloneebury turns round upan Mr. Scar lett, and expresays his regret that, exercising Ow best of his judgment, he should have accepted a settlement so much at variance with hie instructions, and with sound reason and equity. What Mr. Scarlett could have done worse, if he had exercised the worst of his judgment, 1 cannot imagine. (Laughter.) The result, however, is a very disagreeable one for this country. And do not tell me that Mr. Scarlett was not capable of properly carrying out his in structions. (lieu, hear.) Ile has had considerable excell ence, and, had ho been properly instructed, 1 have no doubt he would have acted properly. The case reminds one of the old story of the bad workman who with the best tools made only a shapeless mass. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Be it observed, that all this time the Austrian government were professing the most conciliator" disponi thin and showing a wish to gratify her Majesty's govern anent in all reasonable demands. They were not asked to take any steps on the subject : and this after the communi cation which was made by the Tuscan government to her Majesty's governimnt. I have said already that Use Tuscan government being an independent one, 1 think the first demand for reparation should have been made to them; but when they said, "'This Austrian army is beyond our power ; we have signed a convention with the Austrian government, and under that no Austrian officer can he punished for an offence committed against a civilian," I think that in that case the Austrian government had become responsible for tho conduct of their military, and that to them a proper request for reparation should have b...en made, If it had been determined in consequence that the Austrian military should not have been indulged in future with the tame, of cutting down persona merely because they con ceived that an insult was offered to them, that would have been some satisfaction and some security. As it is, every Englishman who goes into any part of Italy where there are Austrian troops—and, unfortunately, those troops are to be found in the states of the church, iu Tus cany, and in many other party--every Englishman who goes into :Italy is exposed to the risk of injury from an Austrian officer. Why, 1 am told that a non-commis sioned officer of marines has been severely punished under the Austrian code, and that that case is one in which (as was understood) there is as yet no redress. Well now, 1 say again that although this Cale of Mr. Mather's was, in itself, simple enough, although neither the Austrian our the Tuscan government seem to have been ready to resist any reasonable demand, yet such has been the mode in which Lord Malmo-bury has conducted the transac tion, that it cannot but lead to ridicule and contempt on the part of these foreign governments. (Hear.) I will only say a few words with respect to the latter part of this transaction. On the 2lst of May, Lord Malmeabury said, that although her Majesty's government dees not ap prove of the reparation offered, they will, of course, not refuse to accept it. But, it appears that though this despatch was signed and sent on the 21st of May, on the 22nd of May there arrived at the Foreign office a despatch which totally changed Lord Malmes bury's views of the whole transaction. But this despatch had not been read before the de-patch of the 24th was sent away. it events very extraordinary, considering the regularity with which the business is conducted at the Foreign-office, considering, especially, the regularity with which Mr. Addington, the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, is accustomed to transmit all de spatches of importance, I say again, it does appear to me most extraordinary that Lord Malmeshury did not receive that dispatch until after the 24th. (Hear, hear.) But not having seen it until after the 24th, it would have been much better if he had been satisfied with what he had already done, and not gone back from his own dein , 'ion. But having preelmmed and announced to Mr. Mather and thereby to the Tuscan government, through his dispatch of the '24th, the fact that her Majesty's govern ' ment would not refuse to recognise the settlement, there (ewes another dispatch desiring Sir H. Bulwer to leave Florence and to break off all diplomatic relations with the Tuscan government unless some more efficient reparation is granted. What will be the consequences of that dispatch I know not. All I can any is, if Sir 11. Bulwer is ordered to leave Florence that the character of this transaction will not be at all improved, but that the only consequence will be that British residents and British travellers will not have ar. able and energetic minister to protect them in case of any wrong being done to them. (Hear, hear.) As to anything that can be done to make our interference effective, after the manner in which this transaction has been managed, I can not imagine what can be done. (Hear, hear.) I have had a letter to-day from a gentleman, stating that he has boss very much wronged ; that he was arrested at Berlin, gad kept in confinement for 21 hours; that he at first referred his cue to the noble lord the member for Tiverton; that it was afterwards taken up by Lord Grenville, who, when at the head of the Foreign-office, remonstrated with the I'rassian government on the subject, but that the present government have taken no notice of his claim fur redress. £he only advice I can give that gentleman, and I give it thus publicly, is to ask the present government not to interfere in his case at all. (Laughter.) But if he has a grievance to complain of, let him remember what was said by the Captain Gonzales di Cordova, who, when he was offered by toe King the city of Lucca as reparation for a grievance, replied, "I like my grievance better than the city of Lucca." (Renewed laughter.) I say, I think the gentleman had better be contented with his grievance, rather then seek any redrew at the hands of the present government. (Hear, beer.) As for Mr. Mather, he seems to have been offered 100 fritsconi, which he has rejected with disdain, and his character as a man of independent mind has been blasted by the interference of the Foreign-office on behalf of , his son and himself. All I can say, then, upon this sub s, that I certainly shall not take the step taken by the Earl of Derby when lie saw reason for censure in the con duct of the late government with respect to the affairs of Greece, but 1 shall at least enter my protest in terms simi lar to those which the noble lord then used. The noble lard then said—" Surely itbecomes the British legislature to step forward ard to say that the Foreigsuffice of Eng land is not England—that the high-minded generous English feeling of this great people is opposed to measures each as been taken by the government of the country— that we separate our actions from theirs, our lettings from theirs, our views of political mat hers, our views of justice and good faith, from theirs:, 110, sir, do I beg leave to separate my feelings of honour , of justice, and good faith from tho conduct that fir Ms; jesty's government have pursued in the case of Mr. Mabee. (Loud cheers.) I be* leave to enter my protest against viaduct which seems to me to degrade the government Is the eyes of the world, which will not degrade this , country because it takes a far better and far higher view than the government of what is due to its character, and this I trust will be recollected before the government interfere again to obtain redress for a British subject. I tenet they will consider that in the present state', et sentimental Europe this is almost the only country shame Awe can be any free expressions of opinion, where • hes prow and free discussions in the legislature can be freely allowed. Because, though there are the forms of constitutional government in several couatries of Europe, I these forms are in some countries so perverted, and, in other instances, whets they are not perverted and where there is some real liberty, yet these countries themselves are so small and so dependant on their greater neighbours that so bold and open expressionof opinion can be tolerated. Is such territories as theme no such pamphlets as that which, to his immortal honour, came last year from the eight hon. gentleman, the member for the university of Oxford—(cheers)—could, I believe, be made public at the present time in any other country in Europe. If this is the cue it behoves us more especially to keep our character untainted and our honour un touched: it behoves us if we are to come forward asking for redress to ask it mildly. to ask it with temper, bat at the same time to insist upon that which we believe to be our due. (Hear, hear.) It would be an inestimable less sot only to this country but to the world, if our character en a great and independent nation should in any degree be hasened. (Cheers.) I trust, therefore, before the noble bed at the head of the Foreign-office writes any such de eran these again, he will consider how great is the r:e:hat is entrusted to him, and that he will not lightly endanger those great interests and this high character by such heedless expressions. (Loud cheers.) I have stated that, in addition to the few observations which I have made in the case of Mr. Mather, I should call the attention of the house to the present state of public business, and I shall do so as shortly AS I can. The house will recollect that imme diately after the accession to office of the present govern ment, we who sat on this side of the house having heard the declaration of the present administration that they could not bring forward those measures which the thought essential to replace, in some degree, the ruin which the measures of 1840, and he subsequent measures of com mercial policy, had indicted in the present parliament, and that being unable to do so, they would look to the next parliament with the view of' submitting to them those mea sures by which such calamity and ruin may, in some degree, be averted—we who sat on this side of the house contended that if no measures which the government thought essen tial for the prosperity of the country were to be submitted to the present parliament that in that case it behoved them, in the first instance, to make the session as short as they consistently could with regard to the measures of organised public burliness, and then to declare what the nature of their policy was to be. (Hear, hear.) I cannot say, with regard to the first of these demo s, that we obtained very full satisfaction. (Laughter.) But at least on that subject there was some admission made of their intention to go through • regular session, and of summoning parliament again in the beginning of next year. Afterwards that course was abandoned, and the principle was conceded that none but necessary measures should be proceeded with. It was likewise conceded that there should be a short session of par. liniment before the close of the autumn, and that the measures which her Majesty's government thought necessary should the n be submitted. With respect to that arrangement, al though we did not get from the government what we de mand. d and what the government for their own makes ought to have granted, we accepted it, and made no further objection to its being carried into effect. But, with respect to the second request that we made, I may say we have been totally and entirely disappointed. Let us see what has been done by other ministers. If we refer to the disso lution of parliament under Lord Grey in 1832 it was quite clear that the measure of the Reform Bill was before par liament, and that the dissolution took place on that ground. When Sir Robert Peel aatvised the dassolution of parietal. t in 11431 he mule a statement of his policy very air .aa n- Illicit with respect to what his course would he, 111ift,.1%4D ' ut 's the principles he laid down was not consietent with., Suj e . j 4 the house, he immediately resigned office. A. 2.10 .1; Lord Melbourne advised a dissolution of par:lament to 11 he stated Cearly what tlw measures of COllll/leit tU l 110j ' -; were that he should propose, and the country re f us i ng confidence to Lord Melbourne's ministry le. s aa „, 1 ;„,: 1 12 resigned. But the present government, from the li ra moment they came into office until the present day,. I„ front proclaiming, aunouncing, or declaring a Hay , th e y -; sea in to Save been only studious to conceal elm' 004 i n teatime, and policy are. (Cheese) With respece to tf,; t great question by which this country has a e ,. agitated for the last six years—the great apostle: of the abolition of the corn-laws, a.• were ( j. ,:4 in the beginning of February by the mad., l en t at the head of the government, who wale not then au adiia s sh it it was desirable to impose a duty on the majoatan aa of corn. When he came into office the rigst Ism. gar,haa t , opposite said it was the must desirable measure of all. 14 degrees we heard that that measure wes a o ats,.;, Boned. But at the same time what the .-eurai ought to be taken is left neatly as obscure as it was a,. lore. (Hear, heat.) It appears to me the' tee quase., is do )uu intend or not to pursue that palmy r lha you adopt the financial and commercial policy which WS prevail. e from Iril2 to 11162 ? Is that polity of tie lAA tell years beneficial to the country, or is it use slosh ought to be followed anal carried out, is it ese which ought to be taken as the weal., or s „, conduct—a, it has been during the government all Sar It. Peel, and during that which has lately biro ala•piacel, is it an injurious anal mischievous policy, anal one el ',l as e the effects ought to be averted by alterd:on (Cha a ) Now to this question the louse anal the country laais usa. had anything like an answer. (Cheers.) At time we 11.1.% have been told, anal the belief inculcated, that a tours, ws about to be taken. When the right hon. genitalia., ~/,;„,. site made his remarkable speech on the opening of t..., budget, we, on tide side of the house, thought that it ea. conclusive prof that the free-trail , pokey iies• • useful policy for the country, and that in future it ...ma be the rule of our proceedings. Every one was delighta .1, anal nobody thought of taunting the right hon. genthr s ,„ or any of his colleagues with inconsistency. (Hear, Lear But the right hon. gentleman laud a critic—he had u mentator—he had an adversary. Who was that adversary a Ito appeared at the Mangiest House, in the pereun et 0 noble lord the Find Loral of the Treasury . (Laughter cheers.) The First Lord of the Treasury corrected his ear Chancellor of the Exchequer. lie poi t cal nut that ti. was an omiesiou in that Newel., and he supplied it by ea,. thing not so real, lucid, nor clear us the 'Twee of the ea.; hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequa r, but ay something eminently obscure and ambiguous. (R. mead laughter and cheering.) 1 contras that this is a Lee t , me. Though I have had occasion, as menthe, for the t sty, to make a great many speeches in the City of Louden; it never occurred to me to censure mV ow e Chancellor of the Exclequer, or to comer. at as any course which he had pursued. Thuegh we hat. Ise nothing explanatory from the made lord at the header as, government, or from the right lean. gentleman oho j„,s, the 110411.1 of Commons, we have hail all seats all e11...5-tem. tem. from members and suppei ter. of tl.•• rniu,,, t. We have had addresses from the Chancellor of ti. Lusby of Lancaster and from the Solicitor-General, who are anxious to reverse the commercial policy of the last tea years. Then we have a number of gentlemen, NUiID9II. of the government, who go down to the country and •ay that they wish above all things that no new COM laM, be imposed ; and a gentleman who stood the ether dee before the electors at Maidstone as a Derlayite, said hi rejoiced that we have at length got an honest govern', cut, anal that Ware is no chance of an imposition of a tax upon bread, or of that blessing being in any way token front the people. (lb a, hear.) I am reminded by an honourable 'need rear me, that the present candidate for Greenwich—a Derbyee too_ scorches about the town with the big load Irefun him_ (laughter)— premising that the present government i s to eve a large loaf and cheap bread. (Continual laugher) That certainly was most ambiguous. It dial seem ta Vat that we had something like light, when t h e nett hon. gentleman the Chancelaor of the Ex, helper .sle dressed his constituents, and told them that the time fur the restorathm of the protective elutin of 1846 was past, that the spirit of the ago was =lto them, and that no minister could safely opp s e tof the epoch in which lie lire.. (Cheers.) 'that la a wise maxim. (Laughter.) Tho only thing which astonishes us is that time light should have leen SU reaching the right hon. gentleman. (Laughter) lu 1.17, we had a general election, when this subject was agitated; we have had ever since a great deal of discussion respecting it, and I am sure it has been most obvious to nineteen eat of twenty that the time for the corn laws has b• en passed for the last three or four years. (Hear, hear.) Yet, it sal not till the other day that the right lion. gesee man made this discovery. (A laugh.) But then 1 must say that what the right honouruble gentle:en says now is not quite consistent. lie tells us that the rent of land has fallen off five millions during the past year in consequence et the repeal at the corn laws and of the in come tax. I shell not stop to inquire whether that to scot rect statement as to the amount or the origin of the failing off in the rent of land, but this 1 must say, that if it is in tended that it is to form a ground for compenaation, or far the imposition upon the general community of burdens for the purpose of making good the lOUS of those five nothing could be more preposterous or objections able. (Cheering.) The case appears to me to be like that of some nobleman who possesses a certain income derived out of land, 604001. of which is claimed by the,, parish in which he resides, as having been left him for public purposes, and that it therefore belongs to the parish; the case is tried before the Lord Chancellor, it goes by appeal to the House of Lords, and the House of Died, says it as quite clear that 5,0001. of that income was intended far the inhabitants of the parish, and compel hint to resign it. If Lord Derby had been concerned in such a case he would have submitted, and would have been 6,11001. a year lea rich on that account. But bow mach surprised would*. Lord Chancellor be if the noble hard, instead of sub mitting to the award, was to nay, having diminished his income it was the duty of the court to devise nests by which that 6,0001. a year, of which he declared hinted to have been wrongly deprived, might be restored to ham. Be it observed that the corn laws never were defended by any man on the grounds that they gave an additional in come to the landed gentry. The grounds on which they wero,defended, and it it. a question on which a centime, may still be held—were that it was to the adventage of the country that it should have its supplies of keel grown as the country, and should not depend on foreign countries for ',impost; that it was a national advantage; that the landed gentry might very fairly take advantage of the profit which they derived from its being a national advan tage. 1 believe lam speaking in the interest of thu load- owners, when I say, it is injurious to them to defend the corn laws, not as a national benefit, but as a means of ad vancing their income, and that for the loss they had sus tained by their repeal, compensation must be provided. We are told by the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) that there must ba a revision of taxation, and that there must be a lightening of the burdens of taxation on the people. I am afraid that will not give very great satisfaction ta the farmers, who were assures by the Duke of Richmond that they had only to get Lord Derby into office to get protection restored. Such has beta the language held to them. ( Year, hear.) They ave hew told, •• You have only to turn out the ministry, then ye will have a dissolution, and you will get protection back — (hear, hear)—but that the only way to get it is by tuner; out the ministry." It will be little consolation to the farmers to be told that all they can expect is some little lighteascs of the burden of taxation. (Laughter.) With nap at ica the benefit to be derived from lightening the bur& aof taxation I must say there is a mode of lightening those but• deem which we have supported from the first. That is me system of policy which obtained in 1842, and which &skeet pursued down to the present moment, without any new policy, without any new scheme for lightening the burdens of the community without injury to the Exchequer. The right hon. gentleman, if I recollect rightly, as a suit ing instance of its benefits, stated, with regard to the sugar duties, that although no less than 300,000 i. of duties had been taken off that ankh in the last year the whole of the Ices to the Exchequer was not more than 3001. (Heat) Cia those be a better policy to pursae ? All I beg to say is. that I hope the farmers, having been deceived fur six yes', with the hope that they wall tiff back protection, will not allow themselves to be wain tempted, by being told that there is wee ante's re in store which is to give them compensate)°, to refrain from relying on their own skill and energy. (Cheer!) Passing from that subject, the ministry claim crash' fa what they have done and for the thinks which they Militia Bill, which is entirely their own and from sleek chid part grt to o d f o the W ir itmhereastresd.to.witilliatthteheyextypetidor:A,k.‘tathe: they will derive all the credit such a measure des•rves -(a laugh) the other measures which they Ms , brought forward, and which they are likely to carry, are measures which are consequent on the proceedings of the late administration. ()lear, hest) Take the measure with regard to Chancery refers. (Hear, hear.) It is not a party measure, and far from claiming credit for it as a party measure, yet 1 must reamed the house that the commission which recommended it wa• mate luta' by the late government. They made their meal, and it was announced in the Queen's epee& that a measure would be introduced. It has been introduced, but even at the last moment there were clauses in it so objectionable that it was necessary for my right hon. friend tha• maw her for Ripon, who was a member of the commis-ism to Waist upon the report of the commiseiuncis beats; car ried into effect. There are other subjects with /". pert to which the gore:emu, nt have, as I dank , raised very needless questions, and made very flinsie r° l admission.. I will speak in the first instance withregam to education in Ireland. The plan on which educating bad boom settled has been settled minty ya.nrs, anal the P"l d INlery are highly satisfied with it. (Hoar, have,/ i elreeent government were no winner is " liu than they said that they would make a 0 . 1 ,, ,Wc with reepect to that system of education, and ! ,, l 1 would do something for the established church Le l by which that church might obtain a better portent 'IL' grant. I cannot conceive anythiest more dangerous ta Irt land. (Hear, hear.) Because it is admitted, I . Weise has teem mated by the Earl of Derby himself. end aLl ij stated only tho other day by the Bishop of Deane' t a h o i u m e r h , u , ig ta c uo tl h ic t t s h p e ir tk it r i i s p f tu t r h ei at acescoetredminginwontt .rai,oioeti,•4l version, and according to the wishes of the ebun•h of 1 1 0 1!: land, you must at the same time give the aim- D4' , '"Ur. c wp oiLtoc.ohtlotryielile:oitcoh,4,homlrilcaedu..it(t4iiylktawtrh,holi, whoeaarur.) And hr fthue lehmg to the lu , mw mast oppns,d ti the' mixed education are quite ready is mectita. on this subject. I have seen today, to on i,