The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—TieRSDAT, Dr.c. 14. The home net at live o'clock. In the anion of the lard Chianti/sr from indispositin, Lord LYNDIII/1111T sat Spann. PETITIONS PRESENTED. PASLIAMIVITAIIT P•r3llll.—By the Duke of NEW CASTLE, from Mansfield and other pieces; the Earl of NT. GERMANS, from &huh ; and the Duke of NOR THUMBERLAND, from Derby; praying for the free die tribotion of parliameatary papers to literary and scientific institutes. INCOMR TAX IN IRELAND. The Earl of WICKLOW root to move for retina re specting the payment of Weems tau in this country Is Inspect of property is Inland. He wield not detain their lordships. became be wee aware that the papers foe which ho wee about to move would set be refined to bin. It was sot the tint or scored oscines co once ha bad made • similar sauciest. There wee a periodical renewal of the income tax, and, as often es it occurred, senuations were brought sgaiost Ireland of not ceutributing her share towards the reports of that nature both is arid out of parliament. and a notice bad been gives is the other nesse of a motion to intend the income tax to Ireland. He was thesefore anxious to let their lordships and the country kaow that. although it might be true that Inland was semi sally exempt trim the income tax, it was sot true that the property of that country did not contribute pretty largely to it. He istesded to move for a return of ell noon* as paid es Irish property by persons re siding in this country, and all suns deducted by the Beak of Ireland from persona keying property is the Irish fusels, but not rending is Ireland. Whets first he made this milieu the noble duke who was then the leader of that house ma nerd to it, sad the return wee " ail." He ezpresmd his surprises when It appeared that no separate raters was kept of the amount of Irish property paying mane tax as iiihungsialted from colonial Kiel other property. He had mode • insular moan when the late government were is power and the return was the same. The noble marquis (Lansdowne) sabseqaestly promised that it should be remedied, and the Irish property separately clunked. This be believed had been done; and it the noble earl granted his sedum he should nave • return made of a very con siderable sum— but still not so muck as it would have been la hosier years when Ireland wee in a state of greeter prosperity. The late Sir Robert Peel, when he established the mane tax, exempted Ireland, because the tax was only intended to be continued for three Teals, sad there was so insebinery in Ireland to collect it. They were sow threatened with to income as of • permanent character, fur he believed that so man living would to. the expire aeon of thee tax in this country. It was proposed to emend the tan to fended property In Wand, but be thought it was aboard to exempt large incomes. The principle nn doubt was Corn et, that the MIN system of tenatios sbusld bee:tended ell over the sentry ; but why should the Lord lieutenant and the lord Charcellor of Ireland be 'leapt from the payment of income tax, when the tradesman with 1001. a year was obliged to pay it in this country ? He believed that in some parte of Ireland, especially in the west and south, it wend be impossible to levy such a tazgeserelly in addition to theta:es with which the country was now burdened. He should wish to see the tan whin was known ae the Consolidated Aunsi life abolished, and thou then would be no difficulty is es tablishing as income tax, and drawing it from incomes in all pens of Ireland. The 400,000 f. proposed to be obtained from that country by the late Sir Robert Peel might then belated, 260,0001. on land and the reminder on funded property. The tax known as the Consolidated Annuities o tC a l w re d la iu nrwt s u e lr lVe l ible nd to o fi p g r r a t herself a i i f d ahteo be u l ll v ee freed from this inerobos. As they were now oboist to put the revenue of the reentry on • new footing, and to esta blish as income tax of a per maneat character, it would afford • good opportunity fora revision of tension es regarded Ire land. Ihe noble earl then concluded by moving for • re turn of the entrust of property tax paid by persons renting in England on sums drawn from Ireland in the two yews convocation April,ll36l, sad April, lan, sad all same charred on dividends and annuities in the Bank of low land. The Earl of DERBY had no eldmies In the seliere shoved for, U indeed they wield all rd the nab earl thn I information which he seamed to @spree they meld. could imly regret that he did not know the resin rem of the noble earl ; but his impression wsa that the tax papers remained on the moo foe .Bft am they Ita l := hitherto, and that there was se is -s ten drawn twee. Irish property sad sokaial property. He nob spoke from a vague remelleetir of briny wren the Memo tax papers w ben oriented le Ma he his idgmarre. ai t was obliged to return "all" se Is his property in Iraf sot having reei teed a ghillie, hew it for the last tear Of five years, baring is Mt, as the other has& km* Ihe balance considerably an the 111110111 k, whisk had sendsead it necessary fur his Mimed wimsitisrable sum Of 8/1/1/11 SO Ireland. The noble aid wenbi earn him if ke declined entering upon the dismiss of the %mks as that era sir ; there would be Maim time the dims esiag the de. tails arising out of the Yam tee whet that mom 01•11 before them from the Mew levee of pwinmat ithe raps of a bill. Tha wait saes had sermetly mad the priaeipla able; he thought to be involved la the =masons now under tbe oansidloration of puliamer, sad which had been bromthtilarward by the Chummier of the Exchequer. Ile bad saintly sided, according to those ainwires, it being Masi aspediest to diadaisk to a con siderable extent the asaimait seed pre=en of Mime taxa tion, that it followed a a womoory resequesee, whether it was desirable or BA, that • eensiderably lucre:teed pro ponies of the revenue ef this eenntry would in future be draws tram the surer ef Mast Medea. And the nide earl lad Interpreted rerreetlp the Mk of the gramma_ A, that, is far as it could be prestiabil, sash extension Meld 1 take place, avoiding, as far r QOM which were not founded in and which= 6 4 arise from the impossibility of oolleeting film amuse portions of indigent payers who were net Sesmsolei much on the ground of striet juries as tbe Meshy eta& letting the tax from them. flateisit to each exemptions. k we; desirable that, in direct taznitn.die azomptioes amid be as few as risible, and that the ma of direct Wads siesid be as wide, as general, antiz zable (Hear, bear.) The noble earl : wiA g t o s t the part of the grenumsnt, we es thrtaisitna and, looking at the dldweeed dela of Os la Ireland, that it mid be keernewient awl fashion erject that sessley to the payment of a tea Ikea which it Warr bas been exempt, I seam with him that the vustias is rarely a mem of Wes, and if thermos tag is te be s i r s o nett seam of memo it mast he ea ”del dot so a poetise Si the empire as belead Med bo smarded its speew tilt ke awe Ms a Then wee a eldes wade net so the partirC ul ari e f iL leskwd tee temporary exemption, end we have esammady enbatiked to puha- Sart that Ireland shard be se esembed, se it as that de scription et prawaty wasonmed mid& eared se eriersaly Ms the mats WA yam. gartioa amely the admire of the system at abed MOM, sealed te se as k I eamelens as peak* Is He moth. which at this me. I meat engages the inas ernetinn of the House of Cent- ' meta; and that is a modes with, to the main, I trust will be solved in the am of the pe..s.t week. It is ow of s p an vital twee te the primed interims el e 1 an ets te say _mood souse queues atteeltieg o tt p pwwwwwl. &IMP sae 110111 me that veer will High the Mika at the Hem el Comm Makes, it wag be, mad he widget ispertent sad imidielle sonsopeasse !gm the podia of the !fermium MIL Ike lon egaddag with rebuke to the permanent inteerta if HI amasey, with mord to whir I hold that the diseleka Melt pediment alma 10 Sens to is of the unmet imeemow I elassely yet that. as roe es pm:Usable, _t=eat will ream the entity boa the saziely_with Mid; Ws, en new worms tb• EMI= Mid the Us.. of Onmers way am sa thet Impeded goestka ; he, saketehhediy, .4=l/se hum sr awaked, the reseedin p of the other _ pedirmatoe es te peadad• then her • dr sr p winedwaskow wet at sash psi* sad Mem Mee, bat se the gnat ad herd jerslgis Meived Y Oak paw* go, 'iberad I ark II la if pest imams, Hat she on say 111 ad Mg be hook ate . ;7l et weedlny m blei prilmat will nee wid eel, ham& Mon the masa is te be Mr 1 bur • a him ask may bah beam halo that Mew as far is the other h hoar of p potho=le is a car I signet. my beds, that in senes el die dr mar v dislikes taken plum, of wide' vsir mph* it is seesessry that per keddelps signet meet ay Atter day, with little or se briars le trenenst, k m pl. rupees of 'Mies here a few =darn sad than ad . lam anxious, as soot se the derision of the = ll 4 Omura, iaprenerared—as aeon as the rase- Irina see dllased„ skewed they ere le be, that • Isodshdps shesed be reliesed ha. that whir I ammet hat seaddar, to a gnat extant, eaasommiateewlenee ; hot while the saltier to Mk= him whored, awl the epwathas hingiap epos it, reads is A o .d soges:isda Maid not think that I ernspr. am sa she now if I resemeaded as ai• Mamma glib hem ON sat lesilikold PIM i A hi me going I .Mal g l ow the wows et the pendbillty of ta• sessaam. of We sad th's ofittr Momekrikwied, et a time Mee it i. bo mummy for ole o ROWS to bar mem to Hi hmediate advis.'• end militate,. (Her, Mr I hose as abjesksa totittnotordoe of tes pipers he Mel de ashes owl has no Lord MONTEAOLZ smarad do damned seeoasta show ily; tIMP VOSS sod net amemde seolietwl of the ‘ereatie of data% Mopes awl Omen awing eadt eft hap yren Aosimot *raft the .auras Optima hike. dub albs last too yam eediestlem of *a aselemel dolt : Amuse 111•WilL8 the sissaat edema sod tepid draw NO of the last ass yews by the Oemhohessis Sr Pa h* Wachs: Ammo atomism the Mole *I the itselatal debt l• thaw/. 191 1. dbliesdahlse pammeat bea e SW. dubs ANON* isettlag die email dudes sad taus impend awl sepsis* daft tub of So list to. years, =tiats Mod see llemeed sessaat drash, and di,- the dors** of welt taxes, whether temporary is pentsasat. He wail sot sty that they were about to lOW Ms a awn at red rad, hot there certainly ass fairikwibb am= seftlealkl Interests of the omen try la My • Maxi d its revenue by MIMS of dimes teinik did a. Hsout Noma to lay that there should M me diesel toss is a revenue imemsatiag to Aft -two so- Kiss setslieg, lisesest when tbsprapirty sad imams tat was diet ptepseed hy the tale Olt di Peal, he esalliseed it to M ..cane width was fellyjattlisdby the dresmatoacos. The t were ahead le tepid leaf the Neat tat, Old liffe t"9 11 '" AS a stsooseras grew hilleit•E; had *it boss demanded by OHO. sr ht say ethor mas on ? It vas eettaialy s seitilms set is the past of Mx M t tyj i . 4 . 4 well by se s • Noble len go thi ea r tia lt e *baited in truth, • sal t laid, would gala 1 aew eabotitutlag • Abele g— lee the mei telbmited et • rekeseimisel Sa▪ te Mwerseee. the 'INF Abated "meld as wane sweet the enewat Int le the foresee. stivereesese then bed he ewe, yeses ealseed. whisk bed bees represetted is their lerdshitte by Berl Grey, and is the Bones of Commem by laed_ bees beseete. had. ewe itiatesdiity its strength, lbewl it inpaelible to nervy • similes measure at h at ~isil by ler liegwg's present advisers. and had thare shimilmod R. The gee test essay of the Debts earl mead set mellt bla mew dna that he should wry all lie ••••••ree, seml ye late rem taiga; Jag bees* is the eseeiry es the mem et the now property tax, of the saw been Ise, sod es the Weis hor who bad secriliced EvEIIMINE be this mega* bomb of • sloes who, however, woad can hi homailtel _by Ma seeriles. The course followed by threerenessateeeld pat is Jeopardy 10,000,0001. arms." ter that was the produce of the tea sod melt deities Was this tho wey I. Fifths, credit ? From 1846 to this primal tics. ndMlw W been made, quietly lad ansebistartously, to the assent it 18,000,000/. Ban the astimal debt; sad. shed soy emerrsey arias tequiviag a tees to that seesent, they s w e i idiSte the tereatsy add justify thole demead by the es they led Jested. Bat the memo et the noble owl of Derby) sad ide eillseries woad. if carried Mee prudes, ettsweeft imp ray web erriss ter the future. The sobla lord teak We epesehteity el waking these he me t. before the seelleweet et the geestiess in dm other lei yarliser sr. whs. it would be tee late to object. Hi eeesheded navies Ike realms abovo The LA of DERBY said it we. certainly alt buns detest with the orden of the boast to adopt the mime which bed been folkiwed by the soble lord ; but he tbought it wag highly incnnvenient far • amber of their lordships' house to give notice of • motion for the purpose of elasiebse certain papers, sad than to avail himself of that eppostunity for entering into • di mask:in upon the Ilsaa- Sal proieedines of the gummiest . , snd uptia meassrm which were not yet leader the settee of their beast. With regard t. whit fell from Ile aobM hired os the subject of the maintenamo of the public credit. (Hear, hear.) If he thought the mus eums of the government in aay part of Meta were sales laud to shake public audit, or if he wad brim himself to believe that they would is the slightest degree disturb the faith of the mammy in the mew fur meeting the claims of the natioml creditor, their lordships might domed ups. it the noble lord would not be • wormer oppomst a them that he should be himself. (Haar, Mar.) But he saw to symptom sf say each tipper hensions existing in the pubhc mind, for at an period of time had the funds of the anistry bees is a higher or won prosperous, or more steady wasdition than they were at this moment. Lord MONTEAOLE mode a few amonrations amass the table whisk did wet meek the gallery, bat they salmi teeth as exploitation item The Berl of DERBY, who declared that he hai raver said that tag trade seessoaril implied an atl Menet it all lapel* open eeuelinee. What be bed and I was, that its trade costemplate h a• ahem. of di► prepattionelle impost oe miles duties upon maids, et pastel sormasfre. (Hoer, hesz.) He meld net tell what wan dm noble leed's views et peeesabinare duties, but he mall set blip eteressieg kis aphids that a diity of from SOS at Ms putamt. osa emit erasion wee • ellapria• *GIL "bleb ..M net be meld le le levied merely Ctre ilh of setrenne, while be did not think that the partiwlr elms yarn whom sesh disproportionate tarm acs fall meld be dimoninted • privileged elate. (Hear, hear.) It was upon that principle that the prawn GI seek mkt not In be maltreated to the dapropertienate duty of a beadral per ant. (Hem, hear.) The males for the retries was the reveal to. wld -- 01:i1 7d a ti e Ws: "rat t t - seserat of smiting w Wally ? Sir J. PAKINGTON ;aid his hes. Mud had Mid him • guise of tostliona handed an the arrival of bustle- Ca lbs Cape, whisk had 'sly snivel that day. M =blW bees so short a time in big bands that e bs's' alb to give them a Mee sad careful n oon, novrookeos.h• thumbs be could mower, sod y gutted satialkoloclly, the gustiest, which bed bee s pot Ile Ma He was sorry that he hsd been obliged to OM, IS the snivel et thelast mail, that be was hardly justi ad le MINI the Kaffir war was at an cad ; hat he ISO soured Hamra Cathcart that Use important Mot Id the arsiblest was entirely elm of Hawn, and is le Maas I awl be amei the stress upresclan" that he hoped dist Maas 1181 dusted et the messy tee ever." IN ith =ILISs the Amble district, the two wsU kaowa chiefs, sad Magomo. wen .till Usiselei there with • few Ihrewas, mil perhaps his hos. Meal meld have mss in the thet - by the gallaatry it me it ear eiero Baa wee maser taken, and all firmlibildis millmos was LlUat sa end. Tm was se tams M appesismi that would be -amid ia the seta whin Mettles, ea be serried ea is allsw Mseises. With stesed le may meserial es the saline et the meatibetlea, ke amid wily my that be had *sly received ate tleausseet beyond a dimpeach from the Liestesest-Geamet et Cape Town, and Met was • resehatirs peeled by the munkipality of Cape Tam, simile, la 111 filtareser t e ens that had been sent hems by the het ma. Umfassen...Governor Darling. la his thspealt, stated that his (Sir J. Pakiagtaa's) damps.* WA bas made knows, and that no inclement had M issal, set did he believe that any attempt to cause excite. =lot would be sucessful. Mr. V. SMITH, on the part of his noble friend the smoother for London, asked whether the government were womared to lay on the table the papers r ting to the mi litiaman st the Cape ? lt appeared that they bad been ned by Ilus remease to the Assembly, and it was rather hard on the beam met to have them. Sir J._PAIEIpT . GT9N said however bard it I Ow ei • . 1 - 411,4••••••••... r - might be, it wee a. fault of his. The no ble lord the member for Leaden bad only asked for the papers a few dap ; they were in mine of preparation, bet he wished to add to them some farther papers which had bees received by the last mail. Sir D. L. EVANS said that the seat of war at the Cape had hitherto boss a disputed territory, sad sot a ooloaial territory. He wished to know whether dm right hon. ges- Venus would give with the papers the instructions which were gives as to what was to be the future character of that eamitory, and what was to be the frostier of the colony. Its J. PAKINOTON mid thattha sarreareadesee on the whim dohs Issallst eta, armed part of the paper. MOW Ilse by ao nalle SM. send pliant gentle. tams WY Ong. Oa was an extensive end sot very sot only the question of the Eaters or British Ramie weegset of the Edna Any, hat also the question of the seelheea beamary and the t arritsey on the Orange River. As he was la ommospendease with General Cathcart on that abject, It week be yoematere to produce the papers alluded to. CHRISTMAS-BOXES TO LETTER-CARAMEL Mr. SCHOLEFIELD begged to ask the fiecreezz o IM n. t Tresensy whether it woe the lamas of the Gemend, whilst ponsMang she Is pp ia dle polls• melee Christ triesse.ser Is prohibit she nidelpd ge these mwenities by letter-merbee Is the bi t rd, it se, whotharthe latter are te receive eseepowelen kr the lees Mena gratuities Mr. 0. HAMIL CON said that it wee the blanks of the Peetaseter-Otweral to prohibit lettormwriere is the pew Times from noeiviag Christmas-bones, sad that ho did not smolder that prohibition gave them any dabs to mow peasatioa. CHURCH ENDOWMENTS. The Mamas of BLANDFORD gave natio* that on as ear:, day after the ream he would move for leave to bring is a bill for the better providing foe the endowment of the church with reference to parishes and parochial dis tricts. FRANCHISE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON. Mr. HEYWOOD gave mike that in any measure which should bo Omega Masud having referee's to the elective trembles be amid abaft to the house the skim of the University of Leedom to represestatkm. IXICUTION OF KAFFIR& Mr. HINDLIT begged to ark the Ileentaty for the Colonies if the ellsgemeas whisk have segemen in the Cape newspapers are tram, that Kann nthen is the clearing of the Watorkloof were immediately hang mod, U se, whether this was justified by the laws of wee? Sir J. PAKINOTON, Is the lest yam, begged to state to the hes. (enamels that he bad as akin knowledge ea the ealloot of his ineetlea, ao moat so had base murk la any aspainne al ay eseeutiont With regard to as riles of wee, ha believed that whams, an many shwa • genraw It woo eeneldered Juelliehle meet Met In a simper I t bet It wee am the pseudo asomeate pekeense It wield be somiketel that in Me somas* poetise of the Kann mad Hottentots were mad were to be hid ea rebels. He bad no on the milks% hat he had seen a statement is as m••, sod he had hosed, theses! a private donee!, ties rhea the Weailsof was takes two persons were bee& what promeatisa them was he that he meld not as bet Mina net be debt jamas le ibe gallantry et as oleos end edam who bad bees engaged ia the didlealt struggle es the Cape, if be Mi pree hie see. visas that no enmity h ad taraished thek high rematetione. (Chows. Mr. HINDLEY—WouId the right hen. ',edema make aay inquiry into the circumstances t (Hear, hear.) SI, J. PAKINOTON should have stated that he bad illtut the general Galen which General Cathcart issued prior Op his late expedition beyood the KM, and there wu a &dui clause directing that there should be no unnecessary Uenilies of life. He had ao objection to inquire into the eft hot be was sure the hen. gentleman, when he losissi at Use nature of the duty Oinusral Cathca rt had to =sawn admit confidence most be placid in his THE HOP DUTIES. A. PELLATT begged to ask the Chancellor of the whether it was his intention to allow the draw- SO* hope the same as spot malt (held es the 10th Sig lean mot) of the growth of 1852 end preceding The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid that ha bad already had the ilosetlen asked, but ha had great pleasure in amsweriski the his. swelimma. It was not the iateatioa of the gewiennuall Is eM the drawback. Sir S. SHELLEY aid that wink messes at the goes ties co this *eldest be bad pet in the Chensellor of the Butiegiter the whew maim end lb wwwer, he wished W say that that sower we see erideSserery to the hop growers. The hoplpiewess bed a Merest drawback on bops to the &aloe is Inge awl the brewers, which was not payable till after the time setwei by the Chastener of the Exchequer forty rodoolion of the ditties ; as the duty could sot be paid seta Nefewnks4 being after the time wheat the present duty woe is be wished to sok whether the duty would be payable this at the reduced rate? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that in thew pat by the has. gentleman the duty was already 11111 e lea payable es the Timmry, and he mild not soder elm& srlry • dangles elteald be ands in the amount. It wee est payable et sees asp by baser. MIFORTS OF I$IlH COMMISSIONS. Ilk IL ssioutiox Mra d to ask the Chaneellor of the =tether at the nth report of the of i'Mlis Works in Ireland for the year 1101 was dialebered is when on the 6th day of Decem ber, 1643, the Charm/kr of ths Muenner will take steps to have dm soma ammat of that beard laid before this home at the elimmememsest of each sesies. es required by the Act 116 I William IV., e. 33, s. ; sad generally whether be will MINNOW to hags tin report of the Irish 'snaking delivered Inters the salaries at the dspaeuseat an vend ia the satiasetes TM CHANCELLOR et the E XCHEQUER said he had alriiiay directed his 'treaties to the sebie — et, sad he thought it was elrsiratibr that the reports should be laid on the table before tbe salaries were paid. Hs would take care that the wishes of the boa. gentleana were attended to. whist\ dogmas& at wheelie; the subtly would` agrie to beers swain peaky ettlirect taxation. He did not sat any geodmas e Uhe Tots he might pins to-night to pledge lumm OW df Mof this or say ether tax, but all he Wad INS ale they shosld agree that the area of direct Woks elisobil be seessiled. (Hoer.) The hews that seat late committee of ways and manna et the 15... en. sad the debate yea resumed by laid JOCELYN, who apologised for tresparting on the hems, hat stated that he had dune so because be was un willing to give a silent /oh when he differed from those with wham he usually acted, and especially when be dif fered in opinion with his right hon. friend the member for the University of Oxford—he whose opinion be taws,' entertained so great a respect—had come to the deciaion on the proposition of the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer different to that of the gentlemen seemed Lim. (" Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) The • question he asked himself, In considering Ste budget, was, whether, in regard to these two proposals in respect to the malt tax and the house tax the govern. meat was proceeding upon the lust principle of extending the area of direct taxation, and concurrently cheapening the prices of the principal articles of consumption ; and fluidise that this ennui, while not binding himself to de tails, he lilt bound to give minister* his support. They had gone in a right direction not only in reducing the malt tax but in lessening the tea duties ; and for what they had done respecting the latter he thought the government was specially entitled to the thanks of the country. lie was also bound to say that he mild find no fault with the Chancellor of the Exchequer fur his proposal to levy the income tax on Irish landed property. The distress of Ireland formed good /rattail for the exemptions allowed her by Sir Robert Peel; but slushing generally of the present circumstances of that country, and admitting the fairness of the principle that Ireland should bear imperial hardens equally with England—the - • • las/ es well esibe feuded prepiety-Zhe could net see why donpties sheeld be esstlnned. Th e noble lewd law ed by saying Brat conceiving great public advantages would result from this budget, which was calculated to re concile conflicting interests he wu not prepared to peril the principles os which it was based by voting against the resolution. Er. OSBORNE was so hr from viewing the budget in a spirit, that he willingly gave credit to the Chan ty the Exchequer for two main points in his budget— bets Ise esesevfng unjust burdens hem shipping (and he segreitid that the right boo. pathogen had not gone 11111 iea with the timber duties) ' • and secondly, for the elsleemoslike comprehension he ha d shown with regard to tie les duties ; not even being disposed to split straws or to Merril with him because he had made the 'Auction pens pain instead of immediate, as advised by the bon. member Inr Glasgow (Mr. Macgregor). Ile (Mr. Osborne) went tanker, sad would admit that the statement of the right honourable gentleman in bringing his budget forwsrd was as clear • statement as had ever been put before the House of Commons. (Cheers) indeed he knew no man who so remarkably combined the antagonistic intellectual gifts of lucidity and obscurity as the right him. gentleman. (treat laughter.) In plains.; his financial statement before parliament the right hoe. gentleman had, for once, been Innocent of reserve and ears tilleatioo, and there could be no mistake on either eW what they wen now to vote for. (Hear, keen.) Haring wade time wanton ate, he (Mr. Osborne) asked leave to look at the budget as • whole. In the first place, he asked wheats arose that snivertal disappoint ment with the budget to which the hon. number for Taunton (Mr. Mills) had referred in this debate ? Was it sot because of the negotiant promises which the right ben. gentlemen bed held an T (Hear, hear.) The in fact, was so =Arai ="llsdibla g= l.l4 peoplis came to the conclusion that the tight hen. geatleues bed by some means got hold of the pidlooighor's stone, end that • Baal nollenium would eases, when the tattgatliseer weeld Naas to ono rate God the Consolidated Itedweeld be Mad ter the ref all distressed sasaltind. (Lsegliter.) had in the distance last July ? la his address to hie eesslituents at Aylesbury in June, the right hon. gen tleman undertook that there should be—not • mere Umf assen:es and shifting of buroens—but a general and stateennalike revision of taxation. (Hear, hear.) This was net a emounon speech to electors, asking for votes ; it wee the Meer of a minister entering on an official tarter, sad the leagoege used then might be usefully quoted from. The right boo. gentleman had nid, " One of the soundest Maw ethers of diminishing the cost of production Is • Mil of CoUr taxation. Jutter notion* of tan gles meropesvalent than heretofore; and the possibility of greatly relieving the burdens of the community both by swellJastassn and reluction seems (and this was now • se 'Anted plume) "to loom in the future." (Hear.) Well the future—December—was tome : and where was the re vision? Bo far is he could understand the matter, they had in this budget an ingenious attempt to transfer 2,60140001., hitherto raised by means of the excise on all alike, to the shosiders of aelan—the4—th: 10f. householders—which wee not supposed to be very favourable to the p resent government. (lieu, hears and nice of " Oh, oh. ') And there was this peen. lisrity about the budget, that while all new tax was to be immediate, the remissions were all prospective -1 were left looming in the future. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord who bad last spoken seemed very undecided in his vote ; at any rate, if his vote was not clearer than his speech it would not be easily unstained. (Laughter) But he met the noble lord on one point, and he denied that this budget was at all calculated to reconcile conflict ing interests. That was the . jargon getting into use on the other The • bad already • ' side noble lewd picked up that sod the phrase " area el bastion," whisk wee what the right lea. gewthmaaa had said thet=b s e se a s =et la mmed, wain exprwilioas whisk that sorban portions of the budget were about to be withdraws. (Hem, hear.) He (Mr. Osborne) thought, se Ruh did he fifer from the noble lord, that this budget wucoreeived in a hostile, if not in a revengeful spirit. (Oh, ob.) He would give his MOOS flee wing so. The Chancellor of the Itzohequer bad said in his statement, of the 101. householders, that they were " revelling" in the result of the repeal of the corn laws. He said they were bound, if it were a bid tax, to lay it evenly on tows and country. (Hear, hear.) What was seam for their town goose, was equally saute for their rural - • He ' guise. • was prepared to aigne—and,he itellevod, is the Judgment of all thinking stem, to argue lath canner—that this house tax was ne at. mere nor less than a oompeasation to the agricultural MOSEL (" No no," and cheers.) After referring to car Wit Innemeistent opinions expressed at Caveat periods by Ilha Disraeli and Mr. Christopher, wheat ho isearibed ewiperively es the head" and " the tell "of the govern. =IR the husetwithie member continued: There maid r dory &ger it es they would—the y might ee they wield the reeheles of the ail lee bag a hs.ail le the r and he Wadi use to that by eel mid be little OW* that this bows tax was Lid es he so other reason lbee fieersayousate, se the Monodist of the Exchequer mp, the egrimdtarsi interest for what Day had lost by the areal of the corn Uwe. Now, they hal board a greet deal •-- - • sheet the melt tax, and he most as that if the exchequer wet owleßewtz aad other moot oppressive Wet were Wert flie , he, oak should have no objection to vote for the of the Mak tea. Bat, at the same time, he It was sea of these taxes which ought to be taken air when the waft was In 'treat state of prosperity, and there was • roe and [not a Berltious surplus in thsu il a tho exelbequer I hat in arguing that question the Mew Secretary took the entire argument as if there wire a great staples. Se did not Mop for one moment to assmider that by repealiag this malt tax he was cresting a = altewi t, t h i h, make u . tr . which ._ . I: . o.eigi wav 01:11:.W.._ exte nd I . ll l l_ tax, and to lower the point at which the property and home tax became payable. la his elaborate and able statement the right bon. gentleman argued as if he was doing all this from an overflowing exchequer, Instead of an exchequer In which they had created a deficit. The right he.. gentleman went back 100 years ; he quite forget the habits add trios Ii the tiseplo . of , tosatij. H. ka i f igi %r that the pm& of ado ooaatry sow 000ausoe W. of ts., 611.000,0001h5. of °olio ia a year, whisk as sae maul loan oappoood 60 yeast ago, sad duns W• 11 a .sr paralast WO wing*, THE BIJDOET.—ADJOUBSIED DEBATE. favour et theiu beverages. He would not stop to argue the On thy question that the Speaker kayo the shah, question on the sanitary ground ; ha believed that Wbe pare noisome. He believed it to be jut afpoesiblo gig DE EVANS said that the Chancellor of the Ex to prove that there was a great increase of nervous (harden oloarno exproreed a wish that the dissuades ea the from the use of bra and ()offal, and he might support that budget sbeald Atm as soon as Pelage i but when it was statement by the opinions of the faculty. It was just ea remembered tk at is had lasted only two days, and al s o that possible to prove that to the Muse as to show that ales with same atti he a rhetorician of t h e right boa. gentle- orders arose from drinkiag good beer, such beer as ea produced by the hon. member for Derby. H e b e li eve d i t h e wake w hole night in the expelleiss of his plan, it was a good wholesome and sanitary overage, and he, there -11411 tee much Wet t. , " the " coup fore, at once dismissed the sanitary pert of the question. to divide so soots. Tb ere was another seism% nam e ly, that But be denied that On price to the artisans would he ma only one member coo " 03 " d with tM fslsspelia, which serially effected by this reduction. What did hln. gentle contained the largest po,'"lack "0"1"/ "In lb. ". had been men in that house who were acquainted with the beer able to do his duty to hiss mostitueo" b/I"Prordall his opi- trade say. Why the hos. member for Derby (Mr. Baas) Rion on the house tax. Th ore was ILD° rams ., Obesity" last night admitted that although barley had been falliag interval that had elapsed be t i seal_. l " olotooloa____l in price the brewers had get the whole be ne fit, an d sad the issue to which they w 616 . 1 • he said if you take off half the malt tax we will dering the variety of subjects "mem" w "fr Nudges give you something handsome. He admitted In private and said in public that this " something handsome" was re , p T ott r ic e w m e ig re hrez a Pear day tte d i a r y opi la rion i _ la lauld sge :sa t f h4 ..lt t e t For h. dud s g the price a farthing a quart. Well, if It were not etc amid not anent to the propositi. lug " 6 " 6 11" 6 a leeU B ' beneficial to the artisan, how would this partial reminders of miss me soes. the malt tax be a benefit to the hither ? He presented it The CHANCSLLOB of the EXCIL U/111 was quite himself on this subject with som e dlitionce to the house, N semi than was no amber o f the Imes who was was in. but he was a considerable barley grower,. and had taken some palm on this subject. Ile did no t bel.thve it would he dined to throw &Menhir* in the way of Wt. Sootivolea any benefit to the agriculturd interest generally. What who wished to exposes their opinion than ha was, mad be was the agsdeultural interest ehiefiy sufferin or from at the bad never supported any measures which were ea. l / 4 10oted to meant None It was not the barley land. (Hear.) The 1,10110 mark:dew on debates. H. was aware thatt !rhea barley land ... better off. He sold barley last week, measures of iletth 'west were introdsoed, it was deeirat:'" and I, eff. e had ßet ee r: i t t ban was g, PP" f Y r e i o t : in o c f e he l ! s ed i e t t e Z that • esneinat interval should elapse to enable the country land i thit was complaining Was it n ot heavy the Sally to eismiler them, and that there should he ample dia. "Neat land,which was not fit for growing barle y? c Brewers week. of them in the hawse ; but he could not but re- wet. Id not buy the inferior sorts of barley. the evidence member the moment at which they were assembled, and betas.) the committee of 1816 was that chevalier barley was tins abeelato anategy there was for adjourning for some the owl 7 barley bought by the brewers. He asked then, if mad to kin wishes and those of the government, th an In barley-Op'!" eaTtuhe° somet in r g found ar w as as to th t e he op u i se nio o n f period. He Me BUN nothing was more f ore i gn an d repot- this ptr ti s l rem i ss i on o f t h e tax would be • benefit to the say way to precipitate a oonelnaion on any pint which the ma lt in feedlot( boss. bad Dot perfectly diseased. The hon. and gallant of Liebig, Vho bad tried it on a large scale, and of Dr. to the lesgtkof 111= Chases Lpa Flayfitir, meted Is the committee of 1846. that tattle . 4 statement ; bat he . Witt be osholr better fs' by ground berley than by malt; _ dig... wed serest sway subjects. Uwe. Hie Aberefore he &WS "WOW yards' renderion would K. a tto save two vote on this gototios be tio hesefit either ea the comma or to the producer. Now, witkleg7F. ear, bear.) He did sot went to *arrow the with regard to the biome tau, he entirely dissented frost tem, but be 'Washed U possible to pat it as • gels- 'lhis way is which threw had been treated by government. 4K Oct eel' gentlemen @Wm" co me Ho thought Shot' gm Income tam, from its inquisitorial Wet the Mbar for a direct vote is the reduretioo of the 'attire, was ezesesholy demoralising to the people of this &sties on Sea, or bops, or malt, or at the details of the la- country. Hs thought that her Majesty's government ease tam, er eves the details of the resolution bow beton were We to state what Were their views upon this 160 boor , sad es which they wool/ have to vote to-night; subject. Mr. Osborn seat made a good•humoured attack bet aU M NA* woo that tbsy would at least *Arm what the upon 81r B. B. Lyons, whom he amused of political imen goveresseall efeiMnd a vital prissiple, and allow thins to sisteisey, while he eulogised his merits as • mita of letters; bens forward 'asocial mwene, sot merely having ',fee- sod alluded particularly to " England sad the Hoglish." sad emelt, the postioularsslotios they now proposed, but the retest " Lettere to John Bull," for: written opinions 1 la astredietiott to one one ter upote (ameba Mew at issue. With regard to Indeed, he considered that .1111 st country should take its share of the general burdens, amd ha warmed the Irish members (for whom, on general posed% bo joelessod great respect), not to allow them- Whet) In arta ilemi that principle. Summing up his con elesienin, bo eget upon the house to reject the budget as a maw lbowled upon tyranny and injustice. Allll THOMPSON said the budget was both a statesmanlike end a bold measure, and one that had met n 4 the sanction of the country. The honourable gentleman had said that it bad been framed in • vindictive spirit, but would he tell them that the workiag classes would receive no benefit from the re &Was on tea, sugar, and beer ? Pile 101. householders had ISIMI•SI • full equivalent for the iroposed tax on them. This, again, there was no property that yielded so geoid • Mara as houses of 101. or 201. • year rent. The hon. gen dillian the member for the North Riding had attempted to show the distinction between taxing boluses and land ; but land being worth thirty years' purchase, and houses only fifteen, it was clear that the latter produced doub:e the income end ought to pay a larger rate of taxation. (Hem. bear.) Really and truly a bons* tax was a landlords' tax, mid not an impost on the tenant. is did not mean ot he was prepared to rota for doubling I MO bogie tax, but he would vote for its extension to houses of 14111. value for the reasons he had stated. It was said that boil the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed to lower tho timber duties it would have been a much greater relief to the shipping interest. Yesterday he had consulted the largest shipowner sod shipbuilder in this country—perhaps in the world—a moderate whig—as to the effect of the changes proposed, and he said nothing could be better ; the repeal of the timber duties would be • mere drop ice the ocean in comparison to it. Re approved of the proposed reduction of the tea duty, which was at present much higher in this country than in either America - nd he Chinese - Or France ' • and government might have been driven to retaliative measures against the intro dietitian of our cottons. Happily that case would not now arise. Ile admired the courage of the Chancellor of the Iliehequer in modifying the income tax ; he hoped he would be successful in his endeavours. (Iliac.) Ile thought Noe relief ought have been afforded to the holders of terminable annuities. These incomes were much more heavily taxed than a corresponding value in the Three per Cents. Objections had been raised against taxing the Irish fundholder ' • but it should be remembered that the d. bt was not the debt of England, or of Ireland, hut of the United Kingdom. The act distinctly declared that it should be one consolidated national debt. It had been said, why tax the poor shopkeeper in Dublin who has invented has savings in the funds ?" But the landholders there were principally English capitalists and large bankers, and why should they escape taxation? (Hear, hear.) He found that since the art of union, there had been transferred from the funds of England to then of Irelaad 16,590,9271., and, in the same period from Ireland to England, 10,849,8301. In 1842, the aggregate amount of the annuities charged on the Irish funds was only about 8,0001. ; now it amounted to the enormous sum of 120,0391. It was remarkable, that just before the dividends were paid, there was an coot- Inoue transfer of capital from the English to the Irish funds; and shortly after the dividend it was transferred back again. (Hear, bear.) This was done without any expense. If he held 10,0001. Consols in the English hinds, and wished to transfer it to the Irish, all he had to do was to get a certificate from the Accountant-Genend, on pew sentation of which at the Bank of England they gave an order on the Bank of Ireland to raise 10,0001. Cease - Is, and cancelled those which he held in the English funds. That was a very simple and convenient operation; be admired it very much; but this facility was liable to abase. He therefore entirely approved of the extension of the helium tax to Ireland; but he did not go Kiang with them who tithed to extend it to Ireland generally. He could not kept the hardships which that country had endured, and the great sacrificesj of property which the Irish had been obliged to make under the Encumbered Estates Act. (Haul And though he hoped the time was not distant when Ireland might bear a fair proportion of the national burdens, be contended that that time had not yet come. (Hear.) He regretted to hear Mr. Goulburn characterise the budget se one that tampered with the national credit.. Look at the best indicator. (Hear, hear.) How much had the premium upon Exchequer Bills fallen since this budget had been introduced ? (Hear, hear.) How much per cent. had Consols fallen ? ((kar, bear.) That was the very beat sneerer to the right honourable gentleman's objec tions. With regard to the application of the 400,000!. to be received from the repayment of loans, he conteaded that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was perfectly right. What was that fund ? It was the difference in the rate of interest between borrowing and lending. (Hear, bear.) Upon that transaction the country bad made a profit of 1110,0001. He should neat it the same in any private trans notion of his own. If he borrowed a fixed sum of money at 2 per cent., and employed it at 4, he gained 2 per cent, and he should consider the difference available capital. Sir B. HALL said he did not rise fur the purpose of fol lowing his hon. friend who had just sat down, by discussing the various topics into which be had entered, the Teal question before the house being that which was raised by the first proposition of the Chancellor of the Ezehogser. Until the answer which had been given by the rightben. Susan to the question of his hon. friend the member for Westminster that evening, he considered that the point seder discussion was, whether the house tax should be doubled or continued as it existed at present, and he felt surprised that the right hon. gentleman was set going to nip issue upon that question. The right holt gentleman now said that the question immediately before them had - ..41 reference merely - to the extensimi of the area •I taxation. But that certainly was not the ques tion they had to try. (Hear, hear.) The question was, whether they should &obis the house tax few the purpose of repealing the malt duty. (Hear, hear.) The right hen. gentleman the Secretary of Slate for the Home Department said that because they, on the oppir Mien NM et the house, made certain admissions they were bound to support the proposition of the Chan miler ef the Exchequer. But they also took exceptions to lb lions, and those exceptions far outweighed the ens. He would show that the proposition for doubling the home tax was both unfair and unjust to the inhabitants of towns—be would go farther, and show that the distinction made heir - the tenant fanner between .._ and the WM* tradesman was invidious and unjust—that, whilst Itbi hthabitants of towns would have to pay a quarter *I • million more than they paid under the window taz. amt to tatted 10 per cent. over and above what they paid in lOU, the inhabitants of counties would be relieved to the =we as° and 60, and even 70, par cent. by the alteration d the duty. The amount of the window duty for 1851 MN 1,950,0001., and of the house tan for the year ending ele 6th of April, 1852, 707,0001. The estimated produce seise Use prepsoilies sew was 1,569,90 W., which was a cli nk/MOM ere lINNRpIIe4 with 18.51, of 380,0001. But by whoa would She haste of this diminution be derived ? fie seal show by a return which ha wee going to move for on Thursday,. and to which ha did sot suppose there would he say ob j ection, that the whole benefit would go to the Mumsties. The .'"L- of London, which was assessed at city o. 1116,300/. to the window duty, would - be mussed under the holes tea to 73,1101.—an inereese of not lean than He would now show how the tax would affect Bt. ,Marykbene and Westminster, which he would treat as three large awns, as compared with the counties. aIisPNCTSM, in 1851, paid window tar, 51,2181. ; in 1853 it metall be charged duty, 53,4281. • being an increase of se about 5 per cent. Iledf.rd. Backs, Cerabridge, In 1851, paid window tar, 51,9331. ; in 1853 th e y be charged home tax, 22,1421.; being a decrease of IL, or nearly 60 per cent. St. Narylebone, in 1851, window tax. 66,5961.; is 1853 it would be charged duty, 67,3841.; being an increase of 9881., or about 16 pre asst. Linoolo, Norfolk, Dorset, in 1851, paid w i n . tan, 66,2861.; in 1853 it would be charged house tax, being • decrease of 35,2901., or 45 per cent. psatesiaster, in 1861, paid window tax, 118,4721. ; in 1853 it would be charged how " e duty, 134,4761.: - an i n . ow `6,0041 - '^- '' - , . Voirig w tree of 18,i. _ ,or 10 per cent. Cumberland, Hereford, Hathrd, liuntingion t Northampton, Rutland, Suffolk, Westmoreland, Wilts, in 1851, paid window tax, 118,5211.; la 1853 they would be chimed holm duty, 49,1581.; helm a decrease of 09,M34., o . • , a them - or 70 per ant. Theimult therefore was this :in —tee three great towns that in 1861 the window tax was 236,2861., In 1853 the house tax would be 233,4921. ; being en increase of 19,2061., or about 8 per cent. Whilst in 16 agricultural counties of equal assessment as regards the window tax, the molt was this: In 1831 the window tax was 236,80 W., in 1863 the house tax would be 112,2961.; being a decrease of 113.6061., or about 50 per cent., whilst the towns are increased 10 per cent. When complaints were therefore made that they were setting town against country, it would be apparent from the figures he had quoted that the real authors ad setting town against country were tholes, who bail brought forward a proposition fraught with so much partiality and unfairness. (Hear, hear.) And they might depend upon it, even If they carried the resolution to night, that the towns would not submit to such Injustice. (Hear.) Hs would take the ease of St. George's, Hanover-equate, in which so many hon. members resided. In that parish, the amount of the window dial in 1351 was 17,3601. ; the pro posed house duty wnuld be 63,2121., being an Mertens°. nearly 16,0001., or 25 per cent. (Hear) What we. offend hi return was half the malt duty ; and it was shown in the admirable speech of the hon. member for Kidderminster (Mr. Lowe) On the previous smiling, that the con sumer would derive no benefit (ruin that remission. On the evening when the right honourable gentle men brought forward his budget he told him be might rely upon it that it was the commencement of a war of town against country. He mid so still ; and he said fur ther, that, if thu inhabitants of the great towns chose to re main passive, and to allow 100 per cent. to be added to their taxation, they deserved that the government should come down to the house next year, if they were in power next year, which he alit not believe they would be— (laughter)--and propose to levy 2e. or 3s. in the posed more on the inhabitants of great towns. Bat he was quite sure there was too much intelligence in the cuuutry to per mit this species of taxarno, and that the right hon. gentle man would never be able to carry it into effect. Sir J. DUCKWORTH accepted the invitation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to consider the budget as a b ol d and comprehensive schrv..m.,..erh.io.tv...Qta,itlidi,l4_, and be was prepared to give his c or di a l siiint a l t rue, principles involved in the schem e as why Hs should give his vote in favour of the goers-nun:it, b e understanding that he supported the principle and not 6. the wa de details Lope their t b h u a d t g t e h t ti should government out a measure of justice to all classes of the conlinallif y At the termination of the hon. menilier's elaervatis about 20 members rose on the opp os i tion side of thi house, but Mr. HUME caught the Speaker's eye, and proceetledu say that there were one or two specific grounds me:eche with this question, to which he wished to di n et hisolottn. Ulnas. He believed that had it not been for the decisive el the house limiting the operation of the income tea to oa t year, they - er condly, be was convinced that when the house came ti that resolution, the intention was at the profn r opportunity to rm• pose new resolutions with respect to the nroperty tan He wished to know whether he rightly u te lersttied the observe , filmset( the right hon. the Chancellor of the Extheroer, made at an earlier period if the evening, es, if he did, he though that the question for the house to decide had been pletely altered. If ho was right in his conjecture, be thought that the best course for the right hon. gentleatee would be to withdraw his reerlutions and prop* e se that the house might come to a clear understanding to the subject. When the house tax was formerly under ths elusion' he (Mr. II utue) had sugge s t e d , t h at i f they sere te have t he tax, it should be a tax can all hoes..., end he had no objection so to extend it if additional a ta in n:d a c t i o i . o n u g o w h i e t r u e th . n a a t ec t i i i e r ca . s y ecr had ben made sal Its stancescirtum could he cinieent to doublinq the present tat, sod least of all at a time when it surplus r- venue was cm. leased. l'erhaps before the division the house would he in ✓ifwohrumateidwPiesa:cthtahesethhreeearehloasdi point to be decided, as from the vas ulsject of debate. I heard he was quite n his op to know inion the right hon. gentleman hail tale', a bold, but not *Judie:owl course, and had promised a free trade budget, pm. ausing one which he was sorry to say did nat fulfil that character. He thatikiel the right lion. gentleman for the mode in which he had dealt with the ship. ping, colonial, and agricultural interests, er.d gave him great credit for disallowing the claim of compensation. The must interesting portent of the 'pitch was that which referred to the shipping interest, the c l aims and hardships of which he (Mr. Hum) had unetwanely for 23 years kept Cefore the house. A is.,, in the nein direction had been made by the late government, but they had stopped short, and the r•ght hon. gentleman had made up for their shortcomings. 'l' he important cat Tim silvan question could not be overrated, and the i.alit hon. snds. man deserved the thanks of the shipowners for the node is which he had grappled with it. Pilotage and hallsnage were also most Important, and would present nu diMealty in re.arreugement, as the late Master of the Trinity-house had told him that that corporati.n weld not stand in the way of the necessary Meng. With ri.pect to sea enlistment, he trusted it would ie thaaLt s cles eamen enlisting t o i ag u Id i t have n u te ..e e . n n eturagi. aw oei tl t t to arr anged e their a a s was a question involving the safety of a vast amount of pro perty, as he had known a case in which a ship was crafty lost through the divertion of her hotels to a Queen's the latter actually claiming ealrage fur relieving her from the danger in which she had heels lilac, d by the di urea., (Hear, hear.) It was necessary ales that the manilla, clauses should be immediately repealed, and that ship owners should be protected from the toneequenees of 'trifle among their nun.; They should be allowed to employ foreiguers when Englishmen refused to work, and le be. Crewed that the chenge would work well for the sea. men of this country. Ile wanted to see the day when ships would have these utsetructiona remose4 and especially the charge of 1,100,0008. to which they were annually suhit et on account at the light does, Up to the pro sent time the merchant navy had in effect franked the royal navy in respect to these light dues, The true policy of a commercial country was to take every impediment from its shipping, for it was belt-evident that the fewer the shipowners were the lower would be freights, and the greater would be the encouragement given to com merce. He wished to urge upon ministers the necessity of reducing our colonial establishments. thee the colonies free institution*, and leave them to govern themselves, sad that continued drain which was now msda on the 'names of the mother country for colonial purpose. would ceme, while the colonies themselves would increase in presperity. He concurred with the hon. gentleman opposite, the mem ber for Cambridgeshire, that, now the principle of free trade was established, it should be tarried out to its full extent. (Hear, hear.) At present there were 233 articles bearing protective duties, which enhaaced the price to the consumer without bent tieing the intrude intended to be protected. What then should have been the course of the Chancellor of the Eechequer Nt to take eff taxes which would occasion a considerable loss of retitle. without onnforr.no any immediate hentlit on the romms nity. (Hear.) They could not give the agricultural in terest the advantage they required by merely removing cue half of the malt tax—if they wished to deal with that tax in a way to ber.efit any class of the community, they must deal with it as a whole—that was they mast abolida the tax altogether, and at the AMMO time put an end to the licensing system and the brewers' monopoly. If the right hoe. gentleman had wished to follow and carry oat the policy of Sir It. Peel he would have taken these 233 artiest and cleared them from the tariff, he would then have eel risked 431,0001., which was the whole amount produced by these excepted articles, and even had he included the 1,. import duty en corn the amount would have been mind only to 900.0001., which might have been withdraws without exhausting the surplus in the Exchequer. The necessity for impwing any additional tax was only conse quent on the false ground the Chancellor of the &ICE( gaff had taken. He (Mr. Hume) objected to any increase of taxation, even to the amount am one shilling, for the pur pose of meeting a deficiency which might be avoided. Let them abolish the excise duties on malt and hop, paper, soap, and other articles of manufacture—ltt them remove those duties shackled our industry and the increased consumption which weld,' follow, sredd so add to the revenue ns to render soy additional Ist am* eessary. With regard to the income tax—the distinct= drawn by the Chancellor of the Exchequer between perma nent and certain incomes, and those of a temporary sad fluctuating character, as the profits from trades sad profit- Siang, was a step in their right direction. It was the gross al justice and taequ.lity with which direct taxation now bore open different classes of the community that made it oleic tionable. Dieted it of that inequality, let it apply toall per sona fairly according to their means, and he ventured to say it would become the most popular mode of raising th revenue. At present the custom. amounting to 39:, and the excise which formed 274 per cent. of the whole revisal, were paid principally by the industrious, and not the propertied clause. The property tax was 10 per cent. stamps 12, and land and encased taxes 7 per cent.; tad taking the whole of the taxes, the industry paid double and treble what was paid by the property. It might be said that the property tat fell heavily on real property ; bat of the 5i millions produced by that tax, only about one-toll fell upon real property. Prolemional incomes bud beet taxed to their full amount, while those ohtained from lad were cot. It tho house would look fairly at the whole question, and taking Coe wlitee property of the count* place a tax of 5 per cent., or even 3 per cent., he believed, would be sufficieut, a sufficient revenue would he raised from direct taxation to enable them to dispense with the whole of the excise and assessed taxes alto. This quer thin of direct taxation ought to be considered from noire) time, inasmuch as the relative value of property, and cos• sequently the proportion it paid to the revenue, as com pared with other interests, was constautly changing. In 1848, for instance, the land paid 30 per cent. lean in proportion, than it did in 1814 ; since which test the value of real property had Mere aced enormously. With regard to the house tax, he must say that it ea one of the worst that could be levied. If there was one reproach greater than another on this country, it was to see the hovels in which many of the poorer classes lived A tat on houses had the effect of driving the working classes ieto wretched hovels and cellay. Much had born done in the a. wa g y cl o au f e t li s el ; ea a v m o o u n r g ing ot to hers in , c a re n a a s e t aimed which in Liverpool alone had put an cod to '27,000 persona lismg in cellars, and yet it was now proposed to double the boom tax, which was a most unjust and unequal tax. Ir. M'Culloch hail solid on this subject : A tax on bosses inw feres with no branch of industry. . . We cannot help c th ha e d en b ni , f n ort p of the •ork regarding the abolition of the house tax in 1835 use ill• advised concession to vulgar clamour." la &nether plate value, and most commonly also to the fortune shoe s in ,•.AA tax duty nn h h o o u u s ses es sh is ou p ld ro f po al r l to t.hkeiail of hist h th e e w ir oul "c d s u h P o ic w " tha :. &rent classes and rates of houses t wouldr t e . a . d .. a u s t n a c te l notntstyhts If a rate of 61 in the pound rent be levied— Income. Rent. Tax, at 61. Rate IL al. £lO l l l,oeo IC e o .9 17 111 30,000 If Is 6il. in the pound be levied as pro"posed— • M Tax. £IOO 1,000 10,000 30,000 Thus the house tax is in reality a badlrgraduateil incion tax in the wrong direction—in favour of the legs houses. The large houses also are never taken at their full value, and the lower houses are always at rack rest Yet the house tax was called an equal Isl. Hit was Ins" . sary to raise money by direct taxation, why not add ess per cent. to the property tax nod strike off the how.) t.tr and he was sure that a greater revenue would he rook than by any addition to the house tax. There ought to: an agreement on the principle on which direct tavan should be levied, whether on productive or non.produrrO's He thought it should be on both. He could not beton but that when flay-two millions was reqiiired to earl • the government of the country, which was to afford pre* . torn to all alike, any'hing could be mere fair and just 'ls is that it should be raised equally on every man, arcerdine t : c l his ability. Unless some such general principle was airy he saw no chance of the taxation of the country brio; on • proper footing. It would be far better I landed interest, and he as a landed proprietor would renw have ten millions raised by direct taxation, 'seesaw it same time he would get out of many indirect taxes. Esc' land had changed from an agricultural to a manufact ur . and commercial country, and she must no longer depen d ; the land, but on commerce and manufactur e. and Pl_ bad shown that manufactures paid 30 per cent. wort in ‘!••• ation than the land, and that, it app ared, was to go crewing. By direct taxation. levied on the modified r- - ,. ciple which WAS now proposed, we should do errPnr'",f 3 ,;.; meet that commercial competition with Aglaia an d osiaislaw Is tirs ralaiiik toss a - , , HZ CW.-"THE IE I WA God to Judge. tbio afposi of :j„„".i' Mr. 44' U.I.W 04 to I* ly used the V "4% f rom OW lovirroMto • '.y. Isd ssosisesssies et Ile sr Hs riti a t a ponies , t Orir fle to U tioa Ived se the tit* liosloy f Al as . sad . less lataillgows Ad pia by do sasawbes. ssa.asos ossl *6O s e t e Past le ihow VW ak• ellisslag • soupprary tar a passonst en, war was easellse Is th e &wilt-oast , .4 whether say of 1 Ow ea Wilmot az, owl ea .a Ws 110lowielt yd the British oratorios to e 1 ... at. Whir w• ....b". With 1M g“ ..1 " —.-.. ""4" ---a• as" t i t? ttria r .l. Jew.... co UNTT RATZS, The lade( POVlli;O;ed fur ;eitells roam elasseted with am misty sad inquired of Ma amble Med at Ike heed of the gmemoiest whether it was Ike imesles of =Misters to melds he ratemysee L eggstim eity regWM foe burtowiag messy he building beidges, shire belle.wele tellunts, &e., ellnelpodlag to them rebid& they bare hitherto enjoyed embr.Public Works Loge Carnahan ? The Earl of DillY mkt there would be se shAties mike the rause, thesoltysetef them keg shoddy boss hid hefts parliestest. as/ the aebie sad tumid simply revive • essUaiweiese With regard to they...lMM geommed his nsbls bleed refined toted inemehis wee to reissue the mile works limas as they fell is. list to carry them to the mein of ways mad mom TM sable lent salted Ise essassee to meaty ratepayers m twe pearls— int. thst Ile riessity of essay ram wee set omideeed • geed eseselgy, setthe pebble thanks* mold set shame maw ; bat be mmt retest is Ale against that mead. it could never be ezpeeleC that 'overman* thedd be required to advance math mosey epos isealliebent somarity. (Hear. hear.) Tito ether ground, herernee. had vow show of mama in it. It was the rellinggli of private iadivideals to M emos mosey M be repaid by temporary iastelmems, and that wee an inconvenience which was form= to not rely county works but all piddle works. (Hear. Mar. The issurasee Mime, however, had to maw extant meaty upon the principle of receiving back their marry by instalments ; but, at the mate time, government bat NUM to believe that the imams, sempanies bad /curs Is • Creaser eldest in advancing mem that way lowa thought ehosistely sate, sad Asesdire gmeesasest sad still W seder theiramilmadesomede by ilia lbw might to mar intent latereeme hetwees the hemeeener and the Made; without bow salted :era earto make my sit= advisee Item the m wee ath . H. hear.) The admen& miler the Palls sibs Comakeles, were made At the purpose of peemedsg agricultural haprom esaste—esek as droMege, dm ; ABC mistabtadly, the lad • appfloshis le Ohm pwrysigeomil Is the stermse he had slimly Masi. 0111111111111•111 bad new smite Amdetsm Melanges a plea re IMAitegag the aspesditue Is stab kis noble mead W vskired. ( o b 98 1.) Ti. return was ansmied as oespeledl by the sale met, sad agreed to. Their lorda..ipe them adjourned. dad* Aar 7 reelsolt. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TIMDAT, Dix. 14. The S took the char at 4 o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tits BVDOIT Lint ram Hoots Tax.—Aselast the Pr of the goventaisat with reforease to the lacrosse ofr ib lisses to sod the redaselea st ohs ask tax: By Mr. A. PILLATT, from the beam& ar Seatlowark ; Mr. DIYETT, hots Exeter : Mr. LUCRE, boot Healsea ; Sir J. SHELLEY, from the Udall fseassiees d Feet. '{aster, cad also fain the ishatalaate d at. Psare, Co. ?rat pales; Mr. WILKINSON, tram Si. Mary, Lam beth ; WILLIAMS, boat St. Mary, Newiarea, sad .lee ham a ratetiag Übe iakebteasts of Luabeet; Sir a. GRAHAM, from Carlkle; Mr. CROWDER, Rea heard. TI;ANT RIGHT.—By Mr. P. O'BRIEN, from Dim King's County, i. tauter of Mr. fie , Oant Sloe's Bill. NIWII PPPPP STAMPS ale loyalties of alsopt Ihrwatorn: By Kr G. MILAN_ hem ?mem ; Mr. H. Au SSELI., from Belled Lard C. KAMM TON, from Tyrone; Mr. ECHO, from ham; Mr. M. GIBSON, front leragarae_ ; Mr. BM, fool Stolo-epos-Trent; Lord MEWARE, from a platy in Netilailianisiiire; Mr. DAVISON. Ms Belfast. PAILI PAVANS AND IIaSIANICIV ume.—Praying that parliamentarian eta be distri buted to taaeltaake Oatinates Mr. SNOWMAN, teas Hythe ; Mr. SWART, from ; Col. MORE, trot Reafrowshire ; Lord H. VANE, Baca Darlington ; Mr. COWLS, Goss Reigate ; Mr. BUTLER, tress the Bessorat Institution. lifilisned ; Mr. GLYN, foss Kew der: Ms. BLACILETT, from Neneatilwat-Tyse; Sir T. creams, bees the Dublin Libirsry Seefety ; Mr. AGAR RORARTRI4 MU Beanie. Daman, Am nisße.-11 Kr. A. PELLATT, from Rev. Cadman Warm et srrgu, Fumy*: that the to gourmand wield late it he sorrectieg certain severs obits of the ili/rend ennenties. Nair Zermantr.—By Mr. ADDERLIIf, hem the sot lament ef CaaMrbary, in New Zealand. agaiest slams I in the bill passed km ameioa, whish impeoWl on the oelany the peruse of t►e debt dm to t►e New Zealand Com pany. ROFIIII TTTTT lOW OP IMO UMVILOSITT or LONDON.— By Mr. HEY WOOD, hem the midgets@ of the Usimssity of Leedom preying for ropreseemdes in parliament. INHABITED HOUSE DUTY. air DE L. EVANS mend ha arMetn at du ember et perm., who had an pail the Itheldted brae due dem prior to th e 6th day et Jemmy. Moe ae hadee ea t >a day of Jely ; also, what melee et dem poem bed ast pod the same tax d.. peke to N. I* day efOateber. 1661 ; melt Mans tames vibrated beedriorey ha sedan the duty ballyaddy to dr Ow qualm de• the Ida day of awe sad Ow aity at dageneber, and N. Nth day of Deeneher, ad the Sikh day el Mara, a leertedy. as dM ; eed aka. wham witise is gives et that quarter daa the Ith day et Jeleery (viz. the Irtr i rdy il l=, whether meth Reties Meta that the en k.l. tate teareire des Laird ay, et the 6th day of OCCUPIERS (1110 BLAND.) Sit R. TRILOUSON and fr. reser% Ohs amber ef semi= valued se h. sad %ear ha eseb cheleral hei ghts is every miss is Imbed. With the ha tete mode for the relief Cl the now In esit seek 'sloe. POST-OMCII RIKIRIVING ROUSNS. Mr. WHOLE/MILD sewed that Ilimieghset be added to the let siphon while see iniehil `lie esters. ordered on Friday, the 10th day of Daesisher, respecting pestedlet receivisphseees,&e._ ErriAxtufAL urnaitawr. Sir J. 131idliAll begged to put • ceseeles le the noble lord the Chief Cmws of IN orbs. h bed beta re presented to his bp lib metitnents, that the bowel boards of health, u the law sew steed, led se mow to awe ehurehyarde, or: ii mebbe he kliteisat without the walls of towns. lie to hem wbeast the goverment would be premed, eihre trio recess, to bring in sap bill te extend the pewees elbow Wards ? Lord J. MANNIM said the esbjeet led set with the attention of the goverment, aid he hoped, after the mese, to be enabled to briag is a imam for the purpose to wig* the centime of the right feu. pottiest referred. THE EXPRMS. WEDNESDAY A, DECEMBER 15, 1852: -