The Express. — London, England, 1851-11-06 00:00:00

The c ommander-in-chief desires to compliment Col. Mackinnon for the perseverance displayed in his operations, and on their seems ; aided as ho has so nobly been by Michel, Lieut.-Col. Eyre, Lieut.- Col. Burns, and those officers especially noticed by him and by Lieut. Col. Eyre, in his report. The conduct o f the troops has well maintained the character of British soldiers, and the low sustained by the 2nd Queen's Royal Regiment stands prominent on the regimental records of the former achieve illenti of this gallant corps. Co). Mackinnon expresses his thanks to Lieut.-Colonel Mitchel, cam. 6th Regiment; Lieut.-Colonel Eyre, corn. 73 r d Regiment: Lient.-Cul. Burns, corn. the Queen's Regi ment; Lieut. Harris, corn. the Royal Mariners; Major Armstrong, eons. the Mounted Levy ; Capt. Campbell, corn. detachment of the Cape Corp; Capt. Catty and Corn. Davies, corn. the Levies; and also to Major Robinson, of the Queen's, and Major Pinckney, 73rd Reset., corn. de tached parties of their regiments, and to Capt. Faunae, brigade major, and Lieut. Whitmore, C. M. It., acting as aid; Al•Callip. The services of Major Wilmot, R.A., Lieut. Tuley, R.A., acting as staff-officers, and of the Officers cl the medical department, are alto brought to the notice of the commander-in-chief, and his excellency de sires to expma his approbation of the services and exer tions of all these officers, as well as that of every officer and soldier under their command. (Signed) A. J. CLUETE, Lt.-Col., D.-Q.-M.-Gen. - - • The way in which the country even between Gra bam'o T Town and Fort Beaufort is beset, is evidenced by the fact that a train of about 70 waggons was attacked midway between these two places and robbed. The train, escorted by Fingoes and other levies, and a party of Hottentots, was on the road between Fort Brown and Fort lkaufort. Impru dently enough twenty of the waggons went on in advance of the escort, and when passing through the drift of the Brisk river, four or five of them were at tacked by Hottentot deserters from the Cape Corps, armed with rifles. A panic seized the drivers and leaders, and the waggons and passengers remained tall half an hour in possession of the rebels, who plun dered them. The escort comingypdrove the Hottentots away ; they were pursued, the property all found, sod two Hottentots and one Kaffir were killed. It is evident that the rebels lay about in small parties in all directions. If a large force appears, they lie still and the road is reported clear. But if a small party come within reach they pounce upon it, and plunder x doitroy it. 'rhs 6hippiny Ginttle thus describes a rather des perate engagement with the enemy by the troops under the command of Lieut.-(A. Fordyce, 74th Ilighlandera. on the Kroome heights: On the soh inst. Lieutenant Colons! Fordyce, with a fore, of about GOO men, of whom about half were regular troop', obi fly of the 7lth Regiment, proceeded to the Kroonse ights, in the neighbourhood of Waterkleof„ with a view of sndeavouring to cheek the depredations of the enemy in that gooier. In an open plain, on the summit of Kroonses eider , be was furiously assailed by a large body of Kaffir% estimated at nu less than 2,000 in number. After a sharp engageristat, which lasted about 2., minutes, the assailants were beaten off, with, as was believed, considerable loss. The Onsraunition of the troops being then more than half ex panted, and their supply of provisions being scanty, Cul. For dyce determinist to return to the camp. Unfortunately, while marching along a narrow paw, the Fingoes, who had, behaved levy well during the engagement, was struck with a suilibm panic on the approach of a body of Kaffir., and rush. d down upon the two rear companies of the 74th, who wire thus crowded up together and prevented from using tla ir arms. " The Kaffir'," Colonel Fordyce states in his wools, "seeing their advantage, rushed from the bosh, shooting and stahhing many of our men while thus disabled." Might men of this gallant corps were thus slain, and as many wounded. Several of the Fingoes also fell. The enemy lint up their fire until the detachment had cleared the bash, but no further casualties were experienced. (From the GraAgteta's Totem Journal.) GRAHAM'S TOWN, Sitrr. 23. We have hut little to report as having occurred since sue last communication. If /Coffin and Hottentots are still in this neighbourhood or in Lower Albany, they have been unusually quiet during the last week or ten days, but it is Is lies .1 m.O must of them have withdrawn themselves, and joint d their countrymen in their strongholds. It is further thought, and the opinion is partly founded on the above creuntstance, that they arc meditatiag mischief upon an enlare.d and snore extensive scale than heretofore. It is tenant that the warlike spirit of the Kettles has risen copal ch raid; since the onfortunate affair with the troops, related in firmer communications. It is a satisfaction, however, to harm that the governor is at length purposing to provide more effectually for the protection of the colony. Colonel Eyre is about to tort a strong camp at Driver's-hill, in the vicinity of Committee Drift, one of the most notorious Martir paths on the Fish Hirer, and Major Wilmot will take the command at Fort Peddle, where, hitherto, Captain Ca lull has been stationed with a body of troops. We learn these particulars by the Kalif/land l'usf, which arrived on Monday morning. By the same pest, also, letters have been received from beyond the Kei, which represent the Kaffir tribes there as in a very unsettled and turbulent state. Another such af fair as that with the 2nd Regiment, and we shall probably base the whole force of Katfirland brought to bear upon the colon. By an express received from General Somerset's tamp, it is ascertained that he is gathering about him the various parties of the 91st Regiment which have been sta tioned at detached posts, au that it is presumed he purposes snaking some great movement. Yesterday, a considerable number of waggons left town, to assemble at Botha's-hill, whence they are to proceed to daymnder strung escorts, to 'from tiers Drift,Fort Peddle, Fort Beaufort, and Fort Hare. It is thought not unlikely that those for the former two places may meet with some interruption is the Fish River Bush. It is reported here, on what authority we know not, that the artillery from Cape Town, with the men in charge of it has been landed at l'ort Elisabeth, and is now on its way up to Graham's-town. We find we have been rather premature in the remarks Made at the commencement of this letter. We have just now heard that last night eight spans of oxen were taken by Hottentots from Burnt Kraal, near this town. They were the property of Mr. Gold/wain and Mr. Honey. Two of the henlsmen were wounded, the one being shot in the leg, and the other in the foot. Pursuit was made, and about ten of the oxen were recaptured. Here is the official returns of killed, wounded, and missing. in the actions of the 9th, 10th, and 15th September, 1961: • OJT& taasea's &gala 1 Royal . Sled ladidast CAL Rio Am'Wow& haw , Lanka sad Caddo I ..... II am of Olken MUM sod `Oisidei. Tdi . led - j: - Lt. waiters, svty. Tkasslrt, CS. Telma, do. Q -M.Elidea, kid. ppt. Davies, nly. FATAL EXPLOSION OF FlRVAVRES.—Yesterday Mr. Payne held an inquest on the bodies of Thos. Phillips and Jas. Prickett, the two young men killed on Sunday lag by an explosion of gunpowder, while making fire works, at 7, Smith-street, Northampton-square. No mate rial addition was made to the facts given in Monday's Express. The Coroner observed that the manufacture cdtireworks was prohibited hy law, and that, being en ille gal act, any one who should be aceesaory to the death of an other, by an explosion of the composition for making them, would be guilty of manslaughter. Some time ago, es the occasion of a death from the explosion of gunpowder which occurred in Southwark, he felt it his duty to state to the jury that it was a ease of manslaughter, and when the indictment came before the Recorder at the Central Criminal Court the learned judge supported his view of the law. In this cue it has unfortunately happened that all the parties con cerned were the sufferers, and in all probability Mr. Bull world not live long. Red another party beta the cause of this melancholy event he would have been answerable for the violation of the law. 'f he jury, perhaps!, under the prearat circumstances, would not :press the law to its ex tremity. Verdict, That the deceased men came to their deaths by an explosion of firework', which they were FATAL ACCIDENT AT THE WESTMINSTER HOCSE or CUIMECTIUN.—Yesterday an inquest was held by_Mr. Bedford, the coroner, in the House of Correction, West minster, on the body of Mary Brown, aged 38, wheels death took place under the following circumstances had not long been in confinement in the prison, and on Fri day night gave the usual signal to the female warder in at tendance that she wished to go into the yard, end that officer let her out of the cell and accompanied her. To get into the yard thete is a sort of ladder about memo feet high, inlar to those seen at stable lofts, and without say sort of railing; while descending the place the primmer slipped, fractured one of the bones of the arm, sad was injured over the eye. The warder went quickly to her mistime, and she was taken to the infirmary, where Mr. Levies, the cur goon, was promptly in attendance and set the fracture. The woman went on well until erysipelas set in, of which she died on Tuesday. The coroner and jury remarked in strong terms upon such a system existing in a metro politan prison. The jury returi.ed a verdict of Accideang death, - at the same time expressing their opinion that Mee ladder should no longer be used. Mr. Crae, the deputy. governor of the prison, said he would take care their maw mendation should be attended to. ChILD MVIDSX—Last evening Mr. Payne bell an inquest at the Fountain Tavern, Red•crowstreet, spas the body of a sew born infant, proved to have been the off ',Meg of Mary Ann Thompeon, an unmarried l a s t! woman, aged 19, and resident at 5, Butler's.alley, menet. The body of the child was found cold at the Me' algae mother, who had retired to a closet to give It Weds e amt the medical evidence showed that having Wm bon healthy, it had died from pressure on the windpipe. A verdict of wilful murder against the young woman wan found; she lies, however, in a condition too dangerous to be removed, but is in charge of the polite. Ebe Court. WINDSOR, Nov. 5. The grand dinner party yesterday, in the Waterloo ehamber, consisted of the Duchess of lent, the Duchess of Norfolk, the Dukes of Norfolk, Wellington, Bedford, and Cleveland, the I.ady in Waiting to the Duchess of Kent,' the Baroness de Speth, the Marquises of Lansdowne, Salis bury, Hertford, and Camden, the Earls of Fitswilliarn, De Grey, and Mu!grime, Lord Edward Howard, the Rev. Lord Wnothesley Russell, the Bishops of Winchester and Oxford, Lady Adelila Howard, the Ladies Charlotte and Dorothy Fitzwilliam, Lady Caroline and Mies Birrington, Colonel the Hon. Charles and Mrs. they, General and Lady Isabella Wemyss, Colonel and Mrs. B mverie, Lady Easily Seymour, Sir George Couper, the Rev. Mr. Birch, Mr. Glover, and Mr. Becker. _ _ _ The Queen walked in the Home Park and the Slopes this morning. The Prince of Wales, the Princess Royal, and the younger members isf the Royal Family, took their usual walking and pony exercise. Prince Albert, accompanied by the Marquis of Hertford and the Earl of Mulgrave, went out shooting this forenoon, attended by Lord Charles Fitzroy and Colonel F. H. Sey mour. The Duke of Norfolk and Lady Addis* Howard, the I Duke of Bedford, the Duke of Cleveland, the Marquis of i Salisbury, the Marquis of Hertford, the Marquis Camden, Earl De Grey, Mulgrare, the Bishop of Winchester, the Bishop of Oxford, and Llrd Edward Howard took their departure from the Castle this afternoon. The Lords of her 3lajesty's Most lion. Privy Council will meet in the Exchequer Chamber, at Westminster, on Wednes lay, the 12th inst., to settle the roll of sheriffs fur the ensuin; year. A deputation, consisting of Mr. A. Anderson, M.l'., Mr. °region, Mr. liriges, and Mr. Lsrkinr, hot an interview on luesday with Lord John ltussell at his official residence in Downing-street. Col. Fansourt had an interview yesterday with Earl Grey at the Colonisl:office. . _ . . The Cambridge University Commission had a meeting yesterday at the official residence of the First Lord of the Treasury. Present: The Bishop of Chester, Sir John Herschel, Professor bedgrrick, and the Rim. W. U. Ade lson (secretary). Viscount Palmerston left town on Tuesday evening for Bracket Hall, liens, the seat of Viscount Melbourne. The Globe of last evening says :—Webelieve there is no truth in the rumour alluded to in the Purls pat.en of the intention of Lord J. Russell to visit Paris. Our l'aris eorrespond. nt, it will be seen, informs us that the l'remier yesterday (Wednesday) paid a visit to the French President at the Elyst",e. KOSSUTH. INVITATION OF KOSSUTH TO MAN CHESTER. The committee forming to prepare fcr the recep tion of Kossuth swells hourly, and the list of names will show to any one acquainted with the manufacturing districts that the fcehog there, whether it is regarded in reference to politi cal and religious opinions, or to wealth and social standing, has a breadth and depth about it which no similar mov. - ment in this country has ever possessed. The names upon the committee have now nearly reached 400, and the appli cations fur tickets to the Free Trade Hall on the Ilth inst. to see the illustrious Magyar arc beyond precedent at uny previous meeting ever held in that spacious building. We have been assured that it will flat hold a tenth of the people who have applied even to this early period. Man• cheater is to be made the great centre, it appears, M the district, and bodies of people arc coining to present ad dresses from many of the neighbouring towns. Amongst the first of these is Liverpool, from whence the deputation includes Mr. Robertson Gladstone, Mr. W. Itathbone, and other eminent men. Bradford is /tending au address by a deputation, including Mr. Robert Milligan, M.l'., Mr. Titus Salt, and Mr. '.Vm. Item!, Mayor. Then, amongst other towns sending deputations with addresses, are Ashton, Oldham, Rochdale, Clithcrue, Bolton, Burnley, and Gadley. A great deal of indignation is expressed at the attempt of the Mayor of Manchester to stifle an expres sion of opinion through the council. INVITATION OF M. KOSSUTH TO BIRMINGHAM. The fact of M. Kossuth having declined to accept invitations to public banquets unless they proceeded from municipal bodies, placed the committee at Birmingham, ap pointed especially to do him honour, in a position of great difficulty. An address and general invitation, signed by five thousand persons (in one day), had been presented to him, but, ts: has already becu announced the Mayor ' having declined to invite the illustrious Hungarian, or to convene a special meeting of the council, in order that that body might take the subject into consi deration, fears were entertained that the visit to Birming ham would not take place. On Monday, however, another deputation from the committee waited on M. Koasuth, at Eaton-place. It was then explained to him that all parties and claws in Birmingham shared in the feeling of anxiety that he should be induced to visit the town; that there was the most enthusiastic devotion to him for the noble strugglas he had made in behalf of his country, irrespective of any party considerations whatever, and these and other facts by which he was informed of the true character of our muni• eipal institutions, so far operated on the mind of M. Kossuth as to induce him to reconsider the subject, and give an answer on Wednesday morning. Accordingly, yes terday the committee again met in Birmingham, and - Mr. Toulmin Smith attended on the part of M. Kossuth. The result was, that an invitation was accepted to a banquet in the Town-hall, on Wednesday neat, and (as at present arranged) it is most likely that Kossuth will enter Bir mingham on Monday next, ou his way to Manchester. A grand procession will then take place, in which all the trades in the town will join. At Birmingham will be presented the addresses from Cheltenham, Kidderminster, Derby, Coventry, Wal sall, Wolverhampton, Athebtone, Grantham, and all the towns in the Midland districts. The surplus funds arising from the banquet will he devoted to the Hungarian cause, and placed at the disposal of Koesnith, to be applied by him as may seem most advantageous. The arrange ments will in every way be such as to give to this the cha racter of a great Midland demonstration, in which all parties may, and there is no doubt will, participate. At the banquet the chair will be taken by Mr. Scholcheld, M.P., and a meet inllucutial committee and list of vice-presidents have been formed. At tho meeting of the committee appointed to tarry out the presentation of the addresses from the metro politan boroughs, held last evening, communications from Finsbury and Greenwich were read by Mr. lluggitt, the hon. secretary, from the tenor of which it may be inferred that the demonstration of the 13th instant will not be less unanimous or enthusiastic than any that has been already offered to the Hungarian general. Before the meeting separated, a deputation was appointed to visit the Tower Hamlets, with a view of insuring the co-operation of that borough. ADDRESS FROM THE FRIENDS OF ITALY. Yesterday a very numerous deputation from the Society of the Friends of Italy waited upon M. Kossuth, K hie residence in Eaton-place, for the purpose of present ing an address. The deputation consisted of the following gentlemen .—Messrs. P. A. Taylor, chairman of committee ; David Masson, secretary of the society ; the Rev. George Armstrong, of Bristol ; W. H. Ashurs . , Jun. ; John Bain bridge, W. D. Bruce, W. A. Case, C. D. Collet, J. Cone, William Coningham, of Brighton; Frank Crossley, of Halifax ; John Davis, Frank Dillon, T. Donatty, Dr. Epps, Charles Furtado, the Rev. Dr. Giles, of Hampton; S. M. Hawkes, T. K. Hervey, G. J. Holyoske, George Hooper, Thornton Hunt, Henry Fortson, A.M.; Dr. Lan kester, Rev. J. P. Mention, 8.A., of Brighton; M. E. Menden, B. F. Smythe Pigott, T. J. Serle, William Sheen, John Saunders, William Simpson, James Stansfeld, W. Strudwicke, Lord Dudley C. Stuart, Peter Stuart, of Liverpool ; Ebenezer Syme, H. Taylor, W. Taylor, N. Trams, J. Watson, E. T. Weller, Thomas Wilson. — IIFP:A. TAYLOR, chairman pro test. of the managing committee of the society, after some prefatory remarks, concluded by reading the address. SOCIITT 011 , THE TRIIINDS OF ITALY TO £Ollll KOSSUTH. " Sir,—As members of the Society of the Friends of Italy, we desire to add our voice to the many which, in this coun try, have pfd your deliverance from captivity, and your restoraticm te • life of freedom and action. " The intelligence of your release has been received with rage and consternation in the camp of the enemies of European liberty. It blimp new hope and salience to oppressed nations now pimps ter the struggle which must precede their essamipeties. hell laps a man in whom the will of • mink nate= le ; a leader whom an overwhelm ing prepeadenuses et stymied military force could not ffisseey ; a patriot who new rosters the field of European seeks, with the distinct wpm cif regaining the liberty and irispesdeses of his country. They feel that, in seeking to assomplieli this object, you aseemarily bring into the corn ing. ISMS dm power of the Hungarian people, as organised sad dimeled try your own maim mad "The satiety of which we arena= Eta been founded to premetie l a u such means 1111 OM open sad legitimate within the of our own eeeaery, the same et the na tional indimaiderace and fbe ttb hoes people. We regard dot mem of Italy and Mae efflffespery as in reality identieel. Dinh countries samba Me IMMO simple .: rightfel eleiea to tree national enietases ; both have to eon lend with the wee haat power ; both *The have been vogneemi /se a time by the lawless inter motion et foreign Rom Year own ResgarMs colliers an new enesnaped to Imbr ; Indian soldiers are es the banks of the Danub MA mist the flag of a saes oppressor. The shanks nem sedan of both countries le neeessery for the triumph et 111Mety In either. "In yes, sir, we reesmile the impersonation of the earn e[=engery. And we are enabled the more vividly to melba the Warty of this cause with that of Italy by the lest lest we have already in the midst of us, driven hither by mem obnikr to those which have made you an exile, an Rama fntMf, who has concentrated largely on himself the and affection of the Italian people, and who esennondo our rimiration by the genius, the purity of psspsss OS demise, and the humanity which he has ever issustry's service, and which were remit needy displayed in the heroic defence of Rome. THE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 6, 1851. " As there is no other European cause ranking more closely in the English mind with the cause of Hungary, in respect of its simplicity and justice, than the cause of the Italian people, so there is no other European name which you will Rod more closely linked with your own, whether in the general heart of the English people, or in the express appreciation of Englishmen of high intelligence, than the name of Joseph Marini. " We hail your liberation, therefore, not only for the sake of justice and humanity, which have been outraged in your person ; not only for the sake of Hungary, to whose service you have dedicated your life ; but also became we lung ear nestly for the emancipation of Italy, whose fortunes arc indissolubly connected with those of the land you labour for, and because we are interested in that common cause of liberty and national independence which demands the closest alliance of all patriots and all oppressed peoples. " Signed fur the Society, " P. A. Tarton, Chairman of Committee. " DAVID MASSON, Secretary. " Offices of the Society of the Friends of Italy, 10, South ampton-street, Strand, London, Nov. ii, 18.31." M. KOSSUTH having listened with deep attention Ike Mr. Taylor's observations and the reading of the address in reply thereto said—With you, gentlemen, finding ma entire identity in views, I find that I am anticipsdeC in what I wish to say, and that what I sought for is already established and at work here in England. Of course then it is tot necessary for me to enter into those views and sentiments ; it only remains for me to say that I feel most happy in seeing • body—a corporation, established by the impulse of their uses sentiments to promote, to protect, and to advance that very cause and those very principles which I have considere d to be the end and aim of my life. (Cheers.) Still, in other respects, the views and sentiments which I have now the honour to bear, open up to my mind a very large field of observation, respecting which, although I cannot on the present occasion enter into it at any length, I trust I may be permitted to say a very few words. (Hear, hear.) The observations I am about to make shall have reference to the practical force of public opinion, as directed to whatever cause. Of course there can be no man on earth who would not wish for peace. War, even by the most warlike men on earth, cannot be considered as our aim. War is an excep tional situation, the aim can only be peace. (Hear, hear.) Out in the particular life of • single man, as well as in large communities, the Rim must never be confounded with the instrument by which it is to be attained. It is very seldom that it is sufficient to pronounce the aim in the hope that by such pronunciation the aim itself may be carried. So it is with public opinion. Public opinion in itself is no aim, it can only be the mc ilium for carrying that which it takes for its aim. Therefore, when I hear men speak of the moral force of public opinion I must frankly . confess my belief that it is very rarely that public opinion is previously restricted and clearly confined within certain limits—when men say that although such be our public opinion, we will not avail ourselves of those media of action which circuits,. stances may render necessary—then I believe that in that erudition of things it is very possible that public opinion will not be of any weight. (Cheers.) Public opinion to have an effect on the freedom of the world must be ready to say, " Now we will go to war if our opinion be misled." Such pronunciation would be a difficult thing to obtain in England, where there are numerous classes who would be terrified at the name of war ; still, if you merely declare that you sympathise with the cause of freedom, but will never in any case take up arms for it, such public opinion merely gives • charter to despotism. (Cheers.) If the despot know that however he may trample on the rights of nations, or even on the interests of England, there will be nu active interference, then I must confess that there is not so much weight in your public opinion as would influence the fate of Europe its the slightest degree. (Hear, hear.) Therefore public opinion is not an aim, it must be a medium to come to a certain end. The best means towards that end must be pointed out by circumstances, because the true policy of every state is the science of exigencies, which en tirely depends on circumstances. (Hear, hear.) I can only wish that to give real and efficient support to the cause of freedom in Europe England should not want to go to war; but this I say, that the public opinion which declares that in no case it will go to war, that public opinion is of no weight whatever. (Hear, hear.) One word more with re spect to public opinion. When the sentiments of a people take for their aim the principle of non-intervention, it should not be unilateral non.intervention, which would mean that England would interfere in ao case. That would he to abandon her position in the lace of the world. (Cheers.) lf, whatever may be done with respect to other nations, England is to weigh nothing in the destinies of hu manity, then England may he a happy island as it is; but lit would cease to be a member of the human family—cease to be the brother of other nations. In short, it would not easlise the idea, which is the chief principle and foundation of the Christian religion, that, having one Father in heaven, that very doctrine declares us to be brothers—and that brothers have a duty to one and another. (Loud cheers.) The principle of non-intervention, unilate rally interpreted, would not be a Christian principle, would not be • humane principle, and would not be • good political principle—because it would lead to • resignation of the power and position of England. (Hear, hear.) Now, that is the only thing I wish to say respecting the develop ment of public opinion in England, as it affects the external affairs of Europe. I wish it to take such a direction as that every nation, as well es all despotic powers, should be sure of this—that when public opinion in England declares itself willing to side with the principles of freedom, those incli nations and those declarations of public opinion will be more than mere signs; that they will conic to realities, with war or without war, as circumstances may require. (Hear, hear.) In short, that it will be a more active par ticipation in the destinies of mankind, and not merely the passing emotion of noble hearts; not such compassion as we give to the memory of the dead, whom we can set help, cannot restore to life, but that the public opinion of England, declaring the sovereign right of every nation to manage its own affairs, will be enforced with all the weight of its moral power and Its material power. (Hear, hear.) It is not necessary to discuss what power I mean, but it is to be hoped that, ac cording to circumstances, England will be as good as the word of an Englishman, and become the England of deed and of action as well as the England of sentiment. (Cheers.) I as firmly persuaded that if you declare it to be the in tention of the people of England to come to a practical re sult, in each case I am firmly persuaded that to carry out your principle will not cost England one drop of blood or one shilling of money. (Hear, hear.) Why? Bensuae every absolute power upon the earth will consider the ma. terial fortes of England, and will pause before ho runs the risk of encountering them. (Hear, hear.) But if yaw say that in no caw;you will go to war, that will be the surest mode of provoking war, because the absolutist powers will consider that they h ave a free charter to dispose el the fate of nations, and I must fairly state my belief is, that in th at clue the concessions of E would come home to England, and that the materiel kr terests of England herself would be hurt; because to Mjnee England it is not necessary that the Cossacks should water their horses in the Thames. There are many interests in India, in the colonies, and all over the world, that may be injured. There are ea many arteries that feed the power of England ; and if one of them were cut, England mead be no longer what it is. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, I be lieve that, should England declare her intention in no case to speak the word " stop," with the intention of keeping her word, in a very short time England would be obliged to go to war for the porpoise of upholding her own interests; because it is not possible that for long, in different parts of the world, the two principles of absolutism and freedom can go on in parallel directions, but the contrary. Oa the continent the former now gains ground, because there is no freedom there, except, perhaps, in Belgium—a country. of .so sm all extent as to depend on its neutral position for its existence. England, then, is the only powerful representative of the principle of liberty. All other nations are either crushed or disappointed in their hopes, and if England takes not up this principle of freedom, absolutism goes on crushing the people of Europe, and, as I believe, ultimately with the greatest danger to the principles of freedom in England herself. (Hear, hear.) As to Italy, I need not say that I entirely concur in your views. I have already had an opportunity to speak some words on this subject. I have declared the cause of Hun gary to be identical with that of Italy—that they are, in short, like the two wings of a single army arranged against one enemy. (Cheers.) I have only one word to say with respect to Maszini, the man whom you have particularly identified with the cause of Italy, and named as the repre sentative of that cause. Now, I consider that for oppressed nations it is a very great benefit when, whether by merit or by any other chance, there is one man who con stitutes the very centre around which all the forces of that nation unite • who, in a word, is the medium of concentration both of will and of action. As for my poor self, it is not for want of modesty I speak. I frankly confess that I have not done enough to be re garded by my people as such • man deserves to be—the central point for &lithe forces of Hungary. Not my merits, but rather the necessities of the time, have placed me in that position; but when I confess that I have not merited it by what I have done, still I believe that it is my condi tion, in Hungary, and because I know how difficult it is so to concentrate the confidence of a people upon one man as to constitute him its representative ; therefore I think it would be not only a fault, but almost a crime, if I did not avail myself of that condition to do as much good to my country as I can. (Hear, hear.) Now, supposing events to go on with gigantic steps, I consider it rather • favour able circumstance for the cause of Hungary that my poor people should have centered their hopes and de sires round one man, and having heard, not by, unilateral information, not from Italians, or from pare titular friends of Martini, because I consider it would ' be as mischievous as it would be dangerous to rest on one I sided information, and, therefore, I tried to get knowledge , of the situation of Italy, not only from his friends, but from I sources which I considered entirely disinterested, not friends, not enemies of the man, but men who went with the duty to get every information and exact knowledge of I the state of Italy. On such information I declare that be sides myself as regards Hungary, I know no man of any nation en the whole world who more fills the Caine situation o i r ci =the representative of the hopes of Italy than Joseph ' (Loud cheers.) As for Hungary, I have dederei publicly that I believe my people share my eareistima that the future organisation of our country— melded eireumstances beyond the reach of man do not in terreme—must rest on • republican basis. That is my wish, bonen sill our monarchical inclinations have, by the re pistol ildeetioods of the house of Hapsburg, been com pletely tiestroyed. (Hear, hear.) I know that it is not so mash the teem of government that makes the happiness of the Imo*, as it is the goodness and morality of the pmeinema (Hear, hoar.) Therefore no government can be geed wherein people have not full confidence in the troye r ams lei security for the future. (Hear, hear.) That is the etas with Hungary. As to Italy although lam not nneetweinteti with the aim at the Italian nation as re- named in the person ofCassini, still, as I stand here to claim the sovereign right of every rutin to choose its own organisation, and as I will not permit any foreign nation to interfere in the affairs of Hungary, neither will I Interfere with the internal affairs of Italy. Where people obtain power hy obtaining independence, let them regulate their own affairs ; and then if they do not, when masters of their fate, do what is best for the happiness of a nation, then I say that such a nation does not deserve to he happy. (Ilear, hear.) Therefore I mix not with the internal aura of Italy. After a few further ob servations, H. Kossuth concluded as follows:—Now, to end my long confidential and familiar remarks—for I wu not prepared to make a speech—l will allude to what you suggest as the best means of carrying out our common 1130, whether we should have two associations, working in pa relict lines, one tor Ilungary and one for Italy, or that both should melt into one. Seeing that your sen timents and mine are identical, you will excuse me if I make one remark. It is this—Feeling myself to represent the true interests of Hungary, and that Martini represents the sentiments and views of Italy. I think I had better consult him about this question of fusion of the two sections, and after that consultation I will fairly state my wishes and my hopes. (Hear, hear.) For that purpose, I beg you to give me leave to send a written an swer to your address, in which written answer I will be so bold as frankly to state what I wish null what I hope, whether your Bleiery should take up the name of the friends of Hungary and of Italy, or merge into the general name of the friends of freenom sll user the continent ; or whether, on the other hand, retaining your present consti tution, I should ask you to give a brother's hand to a new association which may yet he founded. (Hear, hear.) And now lot me, out of the very heart of my heart, thank you for your kind attention ; and it is a happy moment of m life to see so many generous men holding sentiments which I cannot but feel must li e beneficial to the oppressed na tions which look up to England as to a happy elder brother who is not only happy hitaitit, but happy in nis resosution to give a belying hand to his brethren who are oppressed. (Cheers.) The deputation took their leave. ST. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION. The commissioners resumed their inquiry at half past 10 yesterday morning. Mr. Lew re.examined—The parties I employed I paid in consideration of their having influence with the voters; they were voters themselves. If a man had no influence in the borough, it would be of no use em ploying him as an agent. I paid Mr. Webster and the other agents on account of their services. 1 should have paid them quite as much for their services if they had not had votes. Mr. Webder made out a bill of 301. for expen diture. I paid hint 211. This was not for money which he paid away ' • his bill for expenditure might possibly hive been a blin d. (The bill for 301. was here read in court.) I i considered the demand too much, Alderman Carden not having been successful ; and I told him that I did nut feel justified in paying him more than 211. It is very difficult to say what I should have done bad Alderman Carden been successful. I might then have thought that 301. was not too much. Mr. Webster was very active in the canvass. I am quite sure that 20/. is the whole amount which Mr. Vass received from me, or from any person acting for me. When I paid him that amount he was perfectly &Ail tied. I paid Mr. Blanks altogether 881. 13s. His home was the head-quarters, and the money was paid for refreshments. He disbursed only dl., which soul was paid early in the can vass. I did nut consider it dangerous to pay money ton voter for services after he had promised his vote. There was nu danger at former elections in paying large sums for votes. There used to be no danger. f thought Alderman Carden had not much chance of success. Mr. rhinn—Did you persevere with the ultimata object of presenting a petition? The wituess—l cannot exactly say. A petition was con templated by us before the polling day, hut we had nut formally decided on it. A dinner was ordered for our can vassers at the Pea-hen fun, but I countermanded the order, and I thought that a 'very retuiraable instance of purity. (Laughter.) I was afraid that it would be con 'trued into treating. Mr. Blanks behaved in an ex ceedingly honourable manner. He did not threaten to give inlormation to the other tide if the bill was not paid, nor did he mention the name of Mr. Edwards. Nothing was paid through my hands to George Gooch. lie was in the band, and must have been paid. Here is a bill for 311. 11s. for the band (producing it). Ile must have had a part of that. There was another bill for the band of 341. 16s. ; that in eluded a dinner. It has already been given in evi dence that the police were bribed by Mr. Bell's party, and we had to {my men to protect our band and flags. John Hartwell, jun., received 61.54. for flag-poles. We had six or eight Hogs. 21. by. was paid to Richardson for similar articles. 1 find 91. fa. set down as being paid to St. Peter's ringers. John l'ayue is a ringer, 1 believe. There is a bill of 121. for advertising and qa tionery, paid to the proprietors of the t'ounty Hamill. 1 I paid another printer 141. odd for work done. As I men tioned the other day, Alderman Carden wished every one to be paid liberally, but that had no reference to Mr. Bowen and Mr. Var. 1 said that Mr. Bowen received 51. ; 1 should have said 71. 10s. We endeavoured to canvass every one. I went from house to house with Ald. Carden. A great many of the voters told us they had already promised Mr. Bell. I don't think any of t .ein intimated that they were open to a larger offer ; or that it would have occurred to their minds that that would be of any use. During the canvass Mr. Blanks and Mr. Webster sent to me to another room to ask what they were to have, either Mr. Vass or Mr. Bowen being present. 1 said 1 could not listen to anything of the kind. Mr. Blagg, town clerk, then entered the box, and ex pressed a wish to vindicate himself from some imputations made upon him on the previous day. Mr. Slade said he could not consent to his going into any personal matters. What had been said of that kind had made no impression on the minds of the commissioners. Mr. Blagg said in consequence of some observations of Mr. Bennett he wished to observe that he was entirely un connected with the third party. The third party consisted of persons who had no political creed, but were always anxious for a contest on account of tome expected ad vantages. Mr. l'hinn—What is the strength of the third party ? Mr. Blagg—The third party in 18i7 consisted probably of from 200 to 220 voters. Since Dr. Webster's death it has had no ostensible leader. Mr. Blanks, Mr. Webster, and Mr. Simpson, have taken the most active part of late. The third party could determine the election in favour of any candidate they pleased. I believe they could have returned a conservative candidate at the last election. I have never known an instance of the third party returning two candi dates. The Spencer party and the third party returned two in 1831. The conservative party was always very strong, and was always opposed to the third party. The third party often gave one vote to a conservative and one to a whig. The rough committee was founded for the management of the municipal elections. They had interfered with the par liameatary elections also, and had belonged to the conser vative party for the last five or six years. The parties wore well known as " the rough committee." They were a good deal under my direction, particularly at the muni cipal election.. I used to direct their movements. The members of " the rough committee" were George Taylor, William Norris, Wm. Didd, Joseph Leann, Thos. Hatton, Hon. J. Hillyard, Geo. Davis, L. Caleb Crew, and James Everett—in all nine persons. Mr. Slade—l should like to understand this rough com mittee, beanie it seems to be one of the peculiar features of thecae? The witness—The term "rough committee" was a nick name. I don't know how vacancies in the body were supplied. They are persons who know all the voters, and whom I have found very useful at elections. The word "rough" has no reference to their practice. They have al ways been paid for their services according to the season; I mean the length of the election. I have given them 10/. each at an election. Mr. Rumball said I was the only con servative who voted for Mr. Bell. On going through the poll-book I find that 75 conservatives did so, and if they had all voted for Ald. Carden, instead of Mr. Bell, the alderman would have bad a majority of 21. The statement of Mr. Edwards as to the part taken by himself and Mr. Simpson at the general election in '47 is mainly and substantially correct. My view is that the liberal and the conservative parties are as nearly divided as possible, and have been for many years. There are many electors who divide their votes so as to offend neither party. The conservatives are generally strongest at a single election. Before the Reform Hall passed, every voter who had given a plumper received two guineas, and every voter who gave a single vote re ceived one guinea. The money was paid openly, and every one would have considered himself defrauded if be had not received the money. At that time, too, there was a very extensive system of treating. After the enactment of the Reform Bill, the payment of the guineas and the treating erred. i My experience since has led me lathe belief that the rs new votentroduced by the Reform Bill are more venal than the old voters. The scot and lot voters would have been eontented with 51. where the new voters would have wanted 101. At the election of '3l, 623 electors voted, rt a io rai n tt f ere loo w e o r f e whom onl ere vote n rs on . -res A i t d an en y t elec A t t io t n he t Las re t were probably not more than 173 or 200 voters who were not indrectly paid. The number polled on the last occa sion was 423, leaving about 60 who did not vote. Out of 354 ten-pound voters 212 got paid; 65 out of the 66 seat and lot voters arc paid , and 31 out of 63 freemen. This gives a total of 308 who are paid ; leaving 175 who are not influenced by pecuniary considerations. Of the three denominations of voters, I should say the free men are the purest. Of the 173 who do not receive money, 74 would vote for a conservative candidate tomorrow, without any solicitation, and 44 for a whig candidate. This I say from experience. At the last election, Alderman Carden polled 147 votes. I have gone through the list, at previous elections. I canno t sa y at pre sent I am satisfied that 56 out of that number had rece i ve d of the 75 and the 44 Ald erman .mnonteyhow many Carden got. Some of the 74 conservatives would vote for a whig candidate in virtue of the compact. At the last vacancy I consulted with Mr. Gape, and it was considered advisable that we should not interfere in the election as we had our own representative, Mr. Reton 4 and also that there would soon be a general election. Lord Verulam exacted a promise from Mr. Repton that he would not in any way countenance bribery • and he was returned at an unusually small expense. I endeavoured to cheek the s_ystem as much as possible. I understood Mr. Bi war& to say that, without a contest, it would only haw been necessary to pay a portion of the electors. The Commissioners (to Kr. Edwards)—How is that, ILL Edwards ? Noltssisp—Only those would have been paid who bed Pilmosaindli" auli the first packet wo ul d have bees gift% CialleMer.) Mr. Phinn—Would you not have been obliged to pay enough to prevent dissatisfaction ? Mr. Edwards—Yes. Mr. Forsyth—ln fact, they required the money to keep them quiet . Mr. Blapg-1, es. Mr. Phinn—lf the parties had understood one another in proems of time they might have destroyed the system ? Mr. Blau—Yee. Ihe only two places at which candi dates can be got are the Treasury and the Carlton Club. I have myself been to the latter place. I never saw Mr. Bell before he came down to St. Albans. I had a conversation with Mr. Coppoek before the last vacancy, and there was an understanding that there should be no contest in future. There was a thorough understanding between Mr. Coppock and myself on that point, and I hail it ratified by the heads of my party. I received about six applications from con servatives who wished to become candidates, but I told them that Mr. Bell was already , in the field, and the coa -1 pact must be faithfully adhered to. I was indebted to Mr. • Edwards for Mr. Repton's return at the last election, and I thought that the nest time I must serve him in the same manner. if the compact had been kept at the last election, these practices would have Leen avoided. I gave offence to some ceuservatives by not communicating the compact to them. Had I done so, it would have Leen said that the borough was being shut up by Mr. Blagg, and a key would have been set up to signify that, as on similar occasions before. The setting up of the banner of purity at the last election was a hypocritical pretence; fur Alderman Carden was first brought down by the notorious third party. I gave saute of the voters and others 51. [Witness here read a list con taining the names of the several voters, with the amounts paid to each, and entered into explanations of the different items.] The amounts were all paid by me before Alderman Carsten arrived. Having been a party to the compact with Mr. Bell, I took au interest in his return, and, by means of my private influence, I induced many persons to vote for him. Until the day of nomination it was not known which way I intended to vote. Previously I did not mean to vote at all; my doing so was the result of a charge made against me en the hustings that 1 pocketed money by refraining from voting._ None of the clergy and dissenting ministers voted for Mr. Bell. The conservative party generally were not parties to the com pact; it was confined to those who usually guided them. In l 83.: I lost 2,1601. by the contest of Mr. Turner, who subsequently left the country. I have never received a farthing. At all the elections in which I have taken part I have received only three agency fees, amounting, toge ther, to WU _ . Sir it. Carden then deposed as follows was the unauc eessful candidate for St. Albans at the last election. I Can hardly tell when I was first apprised of the vacancy ; but one morniug, while I was sitting its my office, a gentleman called and asked me whether I was desirous of a seat in parliament. That gentleman was Mr. Tucker, of the firm of Tucker and Stephenson, Sun-court, Threadneedle-street. I did nut know him previously. I said I had some thoughts of it. lie said he knew a place that would just suit me, but he did not mention the name of it. Two thou sand five hundred pounds was, he said, the sum that would be required. I said I was not inclined to give any cam at all. I asked what was the proper sum, Mr. Tucker said " You must not ask questions, but con fide in persons." I said 1 would not confide so large a sum to anybialy ; that, although I was desirous to enter parliament, I had no desire to pay for entering it. Mr. Tucker observed, " You can't get any place without paying money." " I replied. " 1 never shall pay." Mr. Tucker then went away. lie afterwards returned and mentioned a smaller sum. I said I would not pay sixpence. Another party, Mr. Pocock, came to me and mentioned 5001. I said I would nut give 500 shillings if it was to be appropriated as I supposed. I imagined that the money required was to be applied to an improper purpose, and theretbre declined to advance it. I inferred from what occurred afterwards that Mr. Pocock came from Mr. 'rocker's office. Oa hearing the name " SLAlbam" I hesi tated to have anything to do with the matter. Mr. I'ocoek told me, however, that a deputation had come up from St. Albans, and wished very much to see me; and I said though 1 would rather not have anything to do with the matter, yet, if the deputation bad come up, and was close by, it would tie uncourteous perhaps, for me not to see them. I did see them, and amongst them were Mr. Vass, Mr. Bowen, and Mr. Alderman Nash. I asked them to sit down, and to enter freely into the state of affairs at St. Albans. I in. formed them that I had told the parties who had been to me previously that I would not spend • single shilling in anything like bribery. I thought the deputation very im maculate and pure, as some of its members no doubt were ; but subsequent proceedings led me to believe that some of them were chiefly influenced by their desire for a contest. IThey talked of the stigma which hail so lung attached to the borough of St. Albans, and said there was a determina tion on the part of the borough to emancipate it self from thraldom ; the electors knew they were the laughing stuck of all the counties and boroughs, in fact of the whole of England. and if a gentle. man would come down on purity principles, and pledge himself that no money should be spent in influencing the voters, he would receive the sanction of a majority of the electors. I said, " Oentletuen, everybody knows what the borough of St. Albans is, and though I should like to be the first purity member for a century, I still doubt whether you have purity enough to elect any person as your member unless he has a long pone, and will distribute his money liberally." They said, "We have got a requisition (pull- I i ing out • paper), n which the parties signing pledge them selves to support a candidate who will not attempt to influence the voters by money." On my remarking that it was signed by only 4i persons, they said it was got up in a hurry, and they would have a requisition by the fol lowing day numerously as well as respectably signed. Mr. Slade—Wero you questioned about your political principles ? Sir IL Carden—Some discussion did take place on that subject ; but you know it is all a farce to talk about politi cal principles at St. Albans. I venture tossy that if his sa tanic majesty were to present himself as almnilidate, and Messrs. Blagg and Edwards were his agents, as I have no doubt they would be, his politics would have nothing to do with the result. A man's politics in St Albans' are his breeches pocket. I received a second requi sition, and the gross number of signatures attached was 101. The deputation told me that there were a great number of parties in St. Albans who would never sign a document of that description, but who were willing to sup port my cause, provided I would rigidly stick to my an ginal intention of not giving money to anybody. Feeling almost that I really was to be the first honest member, or I should rather say the first member brought in by the honest voters in the constituency, though I hesitated for some time, I was at last almost forced to come down. The nest morning I was told that a document had been pla carded all over the town, announcing that I was to make my triumphal entry into St. Albans on the morning of the following day, and holding a respe-table station in the City of London, I did not after that like the thought of draw ing back. The reception] I met with in St. Albans was most flattering ; it gave me reason to think that all the hopes which had been held out to me would be fully real ised. In the first place, out of 16 town councillors, 10 did me the honour of walking arm-in-arm before my carriage. I should state that of the sixteen twelve voted for me ; two voted against me, and two were neutral. Five clergymen of the church of England voted for me, and no dissenting minister voted with me. In fact, Ido not hesitate to say that nearly all the respectability of St. Albans was on my side. In canvassing the borough, the first per son whom I saw was Mr. Bell. He said to me, "What is the use of your coming here ? You have no chance ; 1 have a majority of votes promised." I replied—" It you have, I have been sadly deceived." The price of votes rose, I was told, from 21. 10s. to 101. during the first day. In the con versation, which I have just mentioned, I said " I'll tell you what, Mr. Bell, if you'll keep your breeches-pocket closed, I'll promise to do the same, and I'll beat you by three to one.' I thought Mr. Bell was not likely, from his position, to command a majority of votes, unless some im proper means were adopted. Bendel, I knew who his agent was, and there is a saying, " Tell me a man's friends, and I'll tell you what he is himself." Mr. Slade—Did you know Mr. Edwards? Sir ft. Carden—No. But I had heard of him. It was notorious that bribery was going on. I was told that it was no nee going to so and an, because his price wan 104 I had no application made to me for money during my canvass, with the exception that some young women said it had always been usual to bring them a blue ribbon,. or something of that kind. Several persons asked me during my canvass whether I intended to hold fast by the principle upon which I had come down, and Ido not know whether mine of those who invited me to come down to rescue the borough were not of the number. (Laughter.) Many voters held back, on various excuses, until the election, as lam told is the practice at St. Albans, because the nearer the end of the poll the more valuable is the vote. An anecdote was related to me during the canvass which illus trates the character of the electors generally. A promised B lot. to vote for a certain candidate. B was afterwards canvassed for a second candidate, and got 101. from him for his vote. Well, being in this dilemma, and not liking to break his promise, he got another party to give him 101. not to vote at all ; and after the election ho boasted of Laving fulfilled his last promise. (Laughter.) Oar man whom I canvassed said to me—" Well, now, Sir, it is all very well, I approve of your principles, having always been a conservative, and I should like to give you my vote. But, look round this room, here arc six or seven children ; I am seeking to give them bread, sad I cannot re did an offer of a fire or ten pound note." I said to the electors generally—" You are destroying Use trade of the town, by creating an ill feeling against it. For the last fifty years it has cost gentlemen from five to len, twenty, and even thirty thousand pounds a piece to become your member; and what is the effect of this? What did Mr. Raphael say when a voter asked a favour of bias ? • Boit ask favours of me ; I have bought you all, sad I'll buy you again ; I pay for your votes. " I said, "Depend upon it, so long as that system continues, your trade will keep getting lower and lower ; whereas, if you elect a member without requiring him to pay for his seat, be will do his duty, and raise the town to the state in which It ought to be." Mr. Flian—Do you know whether or not any of your reloads pad anything on your behalf ? Sir B. Clarden—l am not aware of one single sixpeeme having boss ePCIII. directly or indirectly, except through Mr. Low. 1 said that if there were a hundred voters, and I could get them all for • shilling, I would not give • shilling for them. Half an hour after I made that declaration they flocked ,to the poll in shoals for Mr. Bell. Mr. Slade—Did you see Mr. Bell during the canvass ? Sir It. Carden—Yes, I used to meet him occasionally, but very seldom. Mr. Slads--Did you ever charge him with what was going on ? Si: A. Carden—No. Mr. Slade—Why did you not, when you had come down on purity principles? Sir It. Carden—lt was not my business to do so. I did any to Mr. Dell on the day of hts election, when I saw him taking off his hat to the electors and thanking them, " Mr. ]fell, it is disgusting to hear you thanking . men fur doing what you hare paid them so liberally for." Mr. Slade—Did Mr. Bell make no answer? —..— Sir Si. Carden—No; and I concluded from that that thero had been bribery. Mr. Phinn—Was your election conducted with an ulti mate view to a petition ? Sir IL. Carden —I pledged myself at the hustings to have the matter examined into by the House of Commons. I was prepared to spend any amount of money to have it fairly sifted there. Mr. Gresham (to Sir R. Carden)—Did you hear me on the morning of the poll publicly charge Mr. Dell with bribery? Sir R. Carden—l think I did hear you. Mr. Gresham—There was no answer, was there? Sir It. Carden—My impression is that it rather created an angry fee.ing on the part of some of Mr. Dell's ad herents. Dir. Forayth—We are much obliged to you for the manner in which you have given your evidence, Sir Robert. _ _ Sir It. Cirden (bowing as he retired)-0, I need no cer tificate. - Mr. Phinn (to Mr. Simpson)—Did you Mier the repre sentation of the borough to anybody ou 'Ow couatrrative side besides Alderman Carden ? Mr. Simpson—Certainly nut. Mr. Phinn—Had you men any one on the liberal side? Mr. Simpson—Yes, Mr. Thomas Chambers, a gentleman resident at Hortford. Mr. Phinn—Did you mention to him any sum ? Mr. Situirson—l made the same representation to Mr. Chambers as I did to Mr. Bruce. I said that by an expenditure of from four to five hundred pounds he would be enabled to ascertain the probability or otherwise of his success, and only then could I tell him what was likely to he required. I think I told him tit the expenditure would be limited to 1,0001. I alwi culled upon Mr. Norton a barrister. Mr. Simpson then entered, with the permis sion of the commissioners, into some drtsils with regard to the nlleged offer of Ida 11V;'U, to Sir P.. Carden for 201., declaring that he had not made any such an coffer, hating, indeed, Mien precluded (ruin taking any part by a domestic calamity, and that. an far from soliciting anything. he had declined to accept 250/. (diem' to him by Mr. Coppock. The court then adjourned until half - past 10 o'clock this day. THE JUDGE OF THE LIVERPOOL COUNTY COURT. LORD CARLISLE'S COURT OF INQUIRY. l'ltEs'aN, Nov. 5, At ten o'clock this morning the Em of Carlisle, accompanied by Mr. Ellice (the Attorney-General of tho duchy of Lancaster) and Mr. F. Dawes Danvers (his were tory), took his seat on the bench in the court-house here, to inquire into the conduct of William liainshay, Esq., judge of the Liverpool County Court. Amongst the magistrates present on the bench were W. a. Shaw e, Esq.; llairstowe , Esq. ; Thoams Batty Addi son, klsq. ; Richard Newshain, Esq. ; Marshall, Esq. ; Ashton, Esq.; Dr. Winstonley : and many others. 'ale attendance in the bode of the court was very scanty, there not being more than inn persons present at the open ing of the court; but during the day the audience increased until the court because inconveniently crowded. Fur the memorialists Mr. Monk and Mr. Tindal Atkin son were engaged as counsel; and for Mr. Iteiushay the advocates were Mr. Serjeant Wilkins, Mr. Ovens, Mr. Sowler, and Mr. Thorburne. The proceedings were opened by Mr. Danvers reading the memorial presteuted by the inhabitants of Liverpool, signed by upwards of 3, 'A persons. It complained gene rally of the conduct of Mr. Mainshay, ant utter detailing several instances of misconduct prayed for the removal of the gentleman from his office. Mr. Monk stated that the promoters of the inquiry had no power to compel the attendance of witnes.ce. Several attorneys and other parties felt some delicacy in attending, which would be removed if his lordship would express en opinion on the subject. The Earl of Carlisle did not apprehend that he had any power to compel the attendance of witnesses but it was his wish that any one whose evidence was thought material by either party should attend to give evidence. Mr. Monk, utter remarking that his lordship had the power to remove Mr. ltamshay from his office, either for inability or misconduct iu the discharge of his duties, com menced a detail of the proceedings of Mr. ltamshay from the time of his appointment on the 2ith August last to the time of the preeentation of the memorial, expressing his regret that a judge should have been actuated by such feel ings as had been displayed by Mr. ltamshay in the discharge of his official duties. Mr. Serjeant Wilkins trusted that his learned friend would confine his observations to the accusation contained in the memorial—namely, the lining and imprisonment of Mr. M. J. Windy, which charge Mr. ltamshay was fully pre pared to meet. It would lie quite impossible fur Mr. Ham shey's resources to meet charges exteuding over et, lung a period. The Earl of Carlisle expressed a hope that no unnecessary matter would be introduced into the inquiry. Mr. Munk read a great number of speeches delivered by Me. ltamshay whilst presiding in court, in which he charged the people of Liverpool with attempting to goad him to mad ness, with making malicious commentaries upon everything he did, end with misrepresenting his mutivet on every occa sion. Such remarks (the learned counsil observed) showed that the temper of Mr. ltamshay quite unfitted him for the office of judge, and that he was incapable of discharging his duties in an impartial and satisfactory manner. He then narrated the events attending the committal of Mr. Whitty, the proprietor of the Liverpool Journal, for the publication of a placard stating that amongst other articles the Journal contained one headed "Mr. Mainstay's opinion of the people of Liverpool." The learned gentleman en tered very minutely into the details of that transaction, and read the whole of the shorthand writer's notes of the pro• ceedings which took place on that occasion. In the course of the discussion which then then arose, Mr. ltamshay said he had decided ten or twelve thousaud eases, and had no doubt he had made ten or twelve thousand t nemies. That certainly was an extraordinary statement for a judge to make; and he must possess a singular/mind, inthtsl, who could imagine that every decision which lie gave raised him an enemy. lie (Mr. Musk) could readily imagine how a judge might make an enemy. For instance, ho might make himself an enemy by giving a decision after hearing one side of the question only, and refusing to hear the other. He also might make an enemy by laying down a rule in a particular ease, nut to allow costs when the claim was under 10t. Cases of that description lie under stood he should be able to prove Wore the close of the inquiry. Mr. Serjeant Wilkins inquired on what part of the me morial his learned friend rested that part of his charge ? Mr. Monk replied on that portion of the memorial which charged Mr. ltamshay with unfitness fur his o ffi ce, and prayed for a general inquiry into his conduct since his former acquittal. The Earl of Carlisle did not think it desirable to open any am involving wrong decisions on points of law. Mr. Ellis understood the learned gentlemau to say that Mr. ltamshay might have given such mid such decisions as would have made him enemies. Mr. Monk replied in the affirmative, and intimated that be would act on the suggestion of the court. Mr. Serjeant Wilkins said that Mr. ltamshay had desired him to ask the names of the cases referred to. Mr. ltamshay observed, that he was anxious that en in quiry should be instituted into every part of his conduct. Mr. Monk rammed : The only offence with which Mr. Whitty was charged was the publication of the line in the placard to which he had already referred. That was the offence for which the fine hint been imposed, and for the non-payment of which he was afterwards committed to Lancaster Castle. Now, if Mr. ltamshay possessed the power which he had exercised, it must be under the statute, and it would rest with his learned friend to show haw far his client was justified in the course he had pursued. Mr. Ellis—You say the common law recognises no such powers. You mean, I suppose, as to inferior courts ? Mr. Monk apprehended that such power was not pos sessed by either inferior or superior courts. If a man com mitted a disrespectful act while the court was sitting he was amenable to its powers. If, however, he should do something out of court at which the court might feel aggrieved, but which had no reference to the matter sub judiee, the tribunals of the country were open. The learned gentlemen then adverted to the committal of other parties fur the display of feeling which they manifested during the hearing of the case of Mr. Whitty, particularly referring to the caste of Brown and Caldwell, the former of whom was committed seven days for contempt, and the latter fined al., Mr. ltamshay remarking that as he seemed a more respectable person than the other he would give him the option of paying the fine instead of committing him at once. Such a course of proceeding was not at all likely to maintain the dignity or honour of the court over which Mr. ltamshay presided. The next case adduced by the learned counsel was that of a person who was lined lax. for putting his hat on hi an outer room adjoining the county court, where Mr. ltamshay was sitting. The fine was afterwards reduced to 51., but the poor man being unable to pay it was committed for two days to Lancaster Castle. In pronouncing his de cision in the case of Mr. Whitty, the language of Mr. Item shay was moat extraordinary, fur in imposing the fine upon that gentlemen, he observed that he looked like a man in the unfortunate temper of Mr. ltamshay was displayed in n fisc at e ure the w w eip ors d t ,.. p p ass icted ions an An d ot t i h ,e o r worst .feeolf 'whowofeyhesumanani the case of young j, two days afterwards, who was charged with having committed an assault on a person named Joyce, who accompanied the bailiff to the house of Mr. Whitty. In pronouncing judgment in that case, Mr. Ramshay said he was not certain what was to be done &boat Joyce, who had been attacked in such a manner, but if he should brine an action, and lay his damages at 501., he gt. ai l re ta s inshay) did not think he should be able to cut those down. Such a remark as that WAS actually pre judging the case. The learned gentleman hare observed that he was desirous of consulting the conveuience of the court, as far as possible ' and suggested the propriety , of call ing witnesses to comple te that part of the ease which ho had already opened, severing it altogether frum the case of young Whitey. Mr. Serjeant Wilkins requested his lordship to have the entire case which Mr. Ramshay would have to answer at ones before his but perhaps be would permit an ad immune's% far ten minutes. To this proposition his lordship acceded, it being agreed that Mr. Tindal Atkinson should resume the case on behalf of the memorialists, proceeding with the reporter's notes on the ease of Mr. Wnitty, jun. The reading of these deft ments had not terminated at a We hour last night.