The Express. — London, England, 1852-04-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FaiDAT—Arim. 23. TIM Mw set at 6 edark. Lewd KIDSIDALII IST SPlshoff• TETITIONS PRZSBNTID. °OAST TO MATIIOoTII.-137 the Hake of ARGYLL, frees a ?bite in Scotland ; sad the Bishop of NORWICH, hoes leveret places, against the unilanenee of the great to Cops Or 0001 Hers—Dag Log LYNDHURST. hem the Caps of Otredi Repo, seseielning of the delay in pro Budgeting a tonstitntlea Ste tie Cope. Xusurrana' Mon as.-117 tM P.arl of DERBY, hoot a place ta Ireland, against fithists' nosey. SOT= Lord BROUGHTON -en*"TfM dam he laid before this bows cerise of the esennisainee lottensa the Court of East India Directors esd the posernment of India sofa tins to tbe trial of Joins Pertherai, and tup the andonit isf certain usesabers of the holism sorties esseseurd with that proceedi" The Kar ng. l of ELLENBOROUOII *sushi the motion ass perfectly roper. The Bari of DERBY had scot had an opportuaity of see ing the papers to which the noble lord referred ; het he un derstood that the l`reiident of the Board of Control bad so obiection to their production. The notion was then agreed to, sad the Donee ectiourned at half peel Ire o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMON3.—FamAy, Aran. 23. The 13r Roza* took the taw at a twiner before 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Twtan RIADINUA.—Atkilose Markets and Customs; Cheshire Constabulary; Cork mod Bandon Railway ; Dun dalk and Enniskillen Railway; Eastern Counties Railway (branch to the ricer Nese, &c.) ; Eastern Counties Rail way (Junction with the East and West India Docks, Ike.) ; Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardreman Railway; New market Railway; Somersetshire Central Railway; South Wales Railway ; Thetford Fen District Dfliill4llo ; York, Neweaitle, and Berwick, and Mallon and Drittleld Jona h= Railways ; York, Newcastle and Berwick. Railway (Thirst and Mahon Branch); bills. BILLS As AllinttiD, Cuwstusasn, •MID AORIID TO. —Deptford Gas; London (City) Small Debts Extension; Runcorn Improvemsnt ; Bills. The KesnMitton•ronueon, Re., Improvement Bill, was read a second time and committed to the folowing select committee : —Lord Joke Manama, Mr. IVEyncourt, the Marquis of Chandos, Mr. William Williams, Viscount Sbrinston, Mr. Aleeck, Mr. Alderman liamplary, Lord Henry Lennox, Sir Dr Lacy Evans, Mr. 'rely', Lewd Robert Grosvenor, Sir William Jollife, and three inemban to be chosen by the committee of selection. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. MATIMOTK ErtDuWIIIXT Acr.—By Mr. W. WAD DINOTON, from Suffolk; Mr. LANOSTON. from Ox ford; Alderman SIDNEY, from Stafford; Mr. FAKEER, from Northumberland; Col. FREESTUN, from upwards of 700 inhabitant of the borough of Weymouth and Mel. oombr Regis; Mr. BREMRIDGE, from Milford, Devon; Mr. MOODY, from Gloucestershire ; Lord BLANDFORD, from city of Oxford; Viscount SEAHAM, from city of Durham; for repeal of. CIIMITAL PALaci.—By Mr. HOLLOND, from Hastings and St. Leonards; Mr. G. THOMPSON, from Hackney; Mr. CAYLEY, from Yorkshire ; Mr. DASS, from Mayor and inhabitant. of Derby; Mr. H. BERKELEY, from Bristol; Mr. EVANS, from Workenouth and Middleton; for retuning it. NOTICES OF MOTION. HARDCASTLE, on second reading of the Would Bishops Bill, to move to postpone it f.r six months. Lord D. STUART, on going into eonrinittire on the Poor law Continuance Bill, to move an instruction to the com mittee to exempt parishes having local acts. Mr. STAFFORD. on Monday next, to snore a bill for the better regulation and preservation of the port and har bours. MAYNOOTH. Mr. SPOONER, questioned by Sir J. Duckworth, fixed positively the Ilth of May as the day for bringing forward his motion on t h e subject of Maynooth, but added, in reply to Mr. Aastey, that it would be confined to an inquiry into the system of education a ff orded in that institution, and would not in the first instance have any reference to the endoweneet grant. VANCOUVER'S ISLAND. Mr. CHRISTY begged to ask the Secretary of State for the Colosimo whisthei e eempilance with the terms of the grant of Veseoawrh WWI be the Hudson's Bay Company, a return has been made a the Colsed&elloe of the num • ber of colonists settled in that hied. emt of the amount and application of the proofed, reselved by the company arising out of the sale of leads and mieerals. Sir J. P.tKINOTON had no iimeht his hen. friend would Do aware that since the trust el Teemetmeee Wand to the Hudson's Bay Company Mere had nut bees time the the company to make more them sae rams. Los yew • mums was made of the number of acres sold, the messes of pew &awn, and the price at which the edge were elbeesi. The meant also mentioned that a cartels amber of M bomou* bad been sent out to Vancouver's LINA but it did hot state the number of colonists. —POOR-LBWS.— 1111. Aldepeaa SlDiql:a7.7feeirmuuse et the Poor. kw Beard if it wu the inteatisa et penNenuall kin umber the eon ideTatios of peessmoi Ile punt Wig er seeleaset, and the removal of the posh AM eleembarber the sight hoe. bargees would lay as the bib of Ile Item the agora teesival by the Poor-111W Shed ea the saw ties lase the ha amebas of pedieseat tlr I. TROLLOP'S sepW Hee vas ogle SWIM OM es kap a He sap the seldiemel d Se pear odd ase bo oseekheed this mdse. The Meedlea elide predecease bad bees dr some dele eepr ea He wiped, sad he had dented hie etiestisa Se bee It • wee net Meldedao Wei la • bel mass sepal le the ties, se report bed lose seadved oboe He }twat of perliaasat. TAE NATIONAL OALLMT. Pima BAWDON, he asking a leales of tell& be MI Ow mdse. ea to eer Vse geggeeasee led lama IYthie asediesetka the report whth of the egamitelesif HA end ef the embalm of Ilk supsolies the NalitoW Oa tes% oil deo the comides vas heed, a deemeseees bedeseared whisk anis thle en d the sa b resa ray. It sees that lb. Tataer - dled Thessehee ha the while et lee edleaka if pillages te •rr i e b ile Ns awes,, bet this apron egalltha. Ikea alibis a time gives the wee se Nese a eellebb Ise Emir reaspdea. Se therehee ► be might gilt plug the *ls ha ,dons this deeemlease, giasseild villi She men alas egamistro eed the eemasies, bed boss goe~by_theoamoges. The CHAN=LIAN Or EXCHEQUER said he tai Sege wee may seems besides that to whisk the hew mad .111•1 pailumes had seaweed, vhdelh timid ha deal the peeseaseMee erander the milaiabllV of atithig lwow yaw he the gesepika of waft d sal rte est duals Hatigael diary led mop& the et pf Ihe . pengat yogetwesat. as It had Hof of their probsia 011116 was We it NO 'Ma at prMw Id dire soy la fergiatios to the been is the . iiißliffc - •iliiirgs. NEWDEGVISamiad — tip Nei - dist et as =tt . Trade whether die amemeat ars yeembast Ws Mired ties Ito mods or diplomatic web it ebb waft sa sinks abusi. et bars Ma ettor reliable •.•M% Old Ibb Mrs. Ishonseboja tlaumba stint ellbeisl by a sob= is se Woe wee seises* is be pile as lie I doe et Ibisib. RR; sad bulbs,. amboslin ailmwsMiss Womb= Ism Wpm "tka w amkost lobe pthellisalbe 17 with 11160. wkisb rissess yarport W alMations km et 2sto yew bees arsis lbs Mom spat wW* ▪ sod mookobbe us impeded Isle orb as egotist lbw Moles embles sag the PAM puirelial; sal it tbo bs cumas sie aft yonsmin a sub bellowdes. IMF sr. Ibe belmilbas Om byre Me govammal bib dr _tiros et web loblinlisa, mobil osee sem tams he prese*, kest viral, Soy e and* ibis lotarml whin 0111E4 Y a imallsblo eslbr. Mum Mr.IIIIILIT NMlhe question Tee see of Neeidemble eeleat. sad of met he irepertimee Them bad bees eel hated in tbe tam ef amp Pied et . Trade a el harematies retpmehre the wallet eaterereigeed Ile same ef Ire depeelmereese aegmysd Is thee lelbouetire Ws shape. The deemmeete men very ieb Es woad istguire . as to the rebelt, . e l .1 prim*" Om: tad itlfeeleve tor the WS le emitter whiff* *Pi I • would testate in I g t e l a i,eeri of Trak Yeestible coo who those to me them, or whether they be printed for gene eimedatien. Mr. NEWDEGATE mired if the right beg. samiemse would give him a rites in mammals ef them already panted. Kr. HENLEY said of mane, eamalag that the Omer Mures were on correct data, there would be Mt Marralty In giving a return, but he thought it would he baler that the reties should be so given as to show the shangiews. COLONEL OUTRAN. AND TER BOMBAY GOVERNMENT. Mr. Y. mAcKEriiii rood that the house at its rids. adjourn until Monday, as which dir J.llOOO read a are heat Colonel Outran. drying that le bed era say arbesky for the statements Emu by Mr. Soars Is the Ulm marlaile &shale sat rtplag the dar e rarre Mr. ANSTIT .III.6 4=Ird. abpbr be had nude were adosased es hie owa astharda. hat reatiord Mr. Families treater, a fired of Coins' Owlmat's, r haring fatakisi hits with the bilearliae, tad ettlicited his rustles is the ale?. He regtalled that Mow Ost rom hod 11 ~lmbed with the IN Lida Akron. Mt. 11.11 remerked that Coked Orem had not is his War dialed the Ina of any air slattarate made by Mr. Ararey. The mare for adgeoteareat war thes antreed TH2 MILITIA BILL On the order of the day he the read read* of alit tila i liziaber of petitions were pressated spar it. Sir DE L. EVANS roved that *shill be read • rear time that day three months. The Mr and pliant geallsear, whe wee *latest wholly rartible, was ender arid terry that the eldest of the blll sw doubt war ie put the mutant dames Is a better goitre. M. did art wish to eager Hat eldest. Net oat the peer; but the lets geversteet. bed • y de. Owed their epirea that ems arrows he edepted. we vadressed the has. sat mart wasehes to =peer his Wst that Mr Midesty'eadahres had dot arateated thew eaves with tehisit ap_ the MO which had bees left by their preekeeitere• Ile did sat swayed a Midas Bill at all, but it they were to have in., he told greatly prefer the Ist bill. Among the hat is the present bill was the abuse ren.lotiag a raids ales IWY at sane in say part of THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY H WING, APRIL 24, 185; lbe United Mars% wheelies in the were eashael to his sirs lesality. Be allowiess was aerie he the rhea a swiss pepartisedly diminis deem& Allis edam nos, tßet hed if • Ines. k dwell be • nail mid r easiest body, bat the best he to wWadraw tho seessubsiothemat boom mod the whets alien, he Weems% diet lONS visa tea sniff dOsaltroallema sales ; at IL ague, IMP les liar, lAN tee sway ; is we Sera 6,000 see may ; is the Weet balm, 4.100 to many . CZeimar meat' add, ipso the wheio, including 1, the Cape, a fares or lidlit mom, who were new essendy moved i that slink% weitheeing oar de femes et Imme sod imbibe a mash lenic arx empomatun in *dr met than meld bo fassigry re Bet it wee wiped aria. the pima of babging ham imps tries eke sehaiea, that if emetwastel hire, a gm. la the sosatey would snarl goverummil to mien them. Ile hoped magovenemeat weld did t• sue a bead. tw min esposy • Imeliki ths beeped be wadi moo • saving of 300,0001. • year. Is say am he el ad Ibik the eve of • dimintion a proper time Me Mho se a sallese its smeitred.W. He begged Is whatr l rad li mid as as W asp mom partieipstig - is as gamed alarm on the seapedeflartithem He did met sea that Om was any very WI errs of the Isalles of • ken trial% without ea Wk. edit ithis penises antic It has barn mid doge her three might at way ins be throws as the ash die. or Sonem thel Hit in tee dap it wadi bar ha gemtheisa of the madmeallb. New, a large MISR men Wet Imes lie se Strille a ked he amid smog the bassethethessibeilair et soak •= l4 be sesushinis add with the et ewe ispeeknikbeessee else la - wine lbw raw sea odd Now the bide se ask Slousiller. —Sir De I ties Weed late maid ea" with the view el i V as rias ia 4 ssibri filgeilitthis that wield be W la trees, sad, la sou draw seepeled , at lent wait • =Masse* Mr. RICH -sushi the asiestinamt. Having also an illeleadowast on the puper, be was endas le state hie views is thee auestisa how. lie debt boa. goatlesan • lkorearsy ka the lame Dspelmed bad slated OW der the seendawski diodes, the degas, sod the netripsid of troops, them amid oily be mmearsd 25,000 Ay the defence of the enwalrl. The ha s . aid Mat -smear for Weramittare bad entirely that purities; and, am he e etre ail,wlth the posh gent fatally of cienimunioatisa with lertaad, the amp them would be available, OM Mill *ll/ OS thin were 12,000 well eased sad dined man= in Oise country. nen was en rat by the right beeneolie gestleme the Weer Secretary, which was mum WillikalllEmed that was, that there wee so urgency with need to Ible =were, as sr relations with all foreign stow who sat sesisable, eel Is that opinion his noble friend (Leal Itanell) sad the noble lord the member for Timers bed esesserred, while Lord Derby, la hi lint speech se !Ws llielosar, had stated that shwa the army red any were sew is a higher Mir et etieneey yet it wee sweemary to leuram our debars ; bet he added that the peesen time was beet adopted for that peps, bemuse of has saleable relations which existed betwess this esintri n ed foreign g ; s powers. If that was se, then we se es regarded this minim C l em. II ninth p ;e r re del to argue that the peeper owls et dime to doped as la ease et Wades was aavy, be amid peke se see • pregailka th ee immodest Ns 'Edney. The graver rinal proposed to rain MOOD ilea by ass. of a bounty of N. or 4!. but in ao ams is ex mod a., but failing that there mast he seowee to the ballet, and seder what distaelness es the Ininstry add imerality of the country they would her la ihe seem of this discussion. The right he. {sables the He., tkieretuy appeared to be very merinos se te the Mesa iithe bounty but he (Mr. Rich) very meek doubted Nat bdig dilative. lt urea probable that a wine of dis embodied peed, led vogiabride weld take the hasty, ad m ien, feetinthaing WINS they wire created. The sys tem of sebstitsen dm wield esetealiss the offset of the bounty,lbrealeatitalei reliant mem to say larranty, and at hag* it would be assemery either to raise the bounty In pree,.e ies. or the bathe must be enforeed. The callincent of ma with hshiles for the militia, writ have tho Ws* of iseisedog the rates, and four-Ilfthe of those rates wadi fall ate lead. The hon. gentians then urged that the drill and bikinis& of tha mill propesK mead not ceder the for the udeded,thet of repel/kg imps, and they meld met be relied ea We two ashen of the entry. The ham gendames proceeded le Word that Wee were ondo .sere already at hied I. the country ke all de famers perposes. In the ant plias, volunteer wogs aught to be sessereged. In the next place there were the Slialliabdery of the town t ill nod pollee, who neighs be trained to the the of ism nit ; them wen ba tte w rziesere IVA there Oa the. whole. Sea was =see awe • reserve form effairtn debt be said sad enstastly reedy, so es at the eildella Wks is be • ewe the wary, red on be is gins OM the rail =l M be 10 rat * Ths .8 .84s r 1 007. Then t ear , et betty ians ; 13.000 of theendesen, ethos. wet for the dud weaU be the beet gmastrealesses Theressabined gave • hose of WOO as.., =MEW if teludeisald be aberbekell Win nee, take he se anal MOP kg the ”ka. aelbre dale thsed ia=l goad la dales dn there would le endiery Ace.elther esiebthand toresorg to deepaida peadary= Of. what wall Ink* lie =in awinisat. nide* apes a eddies, span: sad andthey hese ke we wisooleed th e Ms. edleins the ) wend =de up the serene Wee to MUM =a To vii a Moe the essay wend leek with sedans% sulk the yeses of such • ken Weals pewees wadi sad ear lathy. la se • parlillywisedM wee • Wed= keemek es eB pe,ed that only odd mated with diedgaln. r a war dal break out, theket prendea weedadoektedly be found la a military reasees, similar to that Mods& he the airy, for the bring ing fanned of which the his Decal d admiralty deserved great milt, ad dal be hoped wails be carried out by die pond (Hear, hear.) The system of a military re serve mmialesd theßena of a mem bemaae poandne hatter wed et tioalwat snits soldien, sad would mere el ad len espeedve Wm a =id& The hes sew by egebehel ter barks Wald the bow at each Welk but be bad Ids a anneery to state tally the gramma ma Irbil w”pmed the bill. (Hear, hear.) The eri tweets end the mmedememi having bola f air J. WALSH bad et dissommal ea reissue ia the s of the boa. genthema sem (ltr u at ler meek' the dash sight set have kis with SOW AIM bbl of the late et whisk the ben gene a wake. (" Hoer, bur." has. Ct illina sth paths= bed bees saved kw Wear by the dieddles et the We == sa he lea. entheies denied that a doles embodied 'kr a alai peal Val as killthelt sad desollsablo tone. TM ealp Mama between tie %T.! the M weed ws. that th e l ets., bed Mislaid die eeilehmat, eel Ihe Wee wee oily g li Ci e l er t iebea eseelen .41 me be thee eb bing, lode bib eat melded the esehellseat d the Areaeras abort =dad la the audios et • Woe to be 'ma k ens= et mead avige ado Void 'Oh the heel. gesslema bb le Ste =MS as a do= Feud% sad an nob le he hese wee welhedie. ass they, bed to weds r w e e r wee pee Wu. Me we ands thee the boon weehi art wand le the mew et se large ma shakes le the st mug. The bee. gontlews hod Wined Oaths MINIM We. webs a silo" hies t =l4 . ll 6 :r b tediehlet that the who weld ZIT' ' hi ewe iiiiof hese. leiamens nide, eadldwaliethno the eessoilles et the ems how howejlele, je we Olest of Ib i eselat 11111, us liedl Wild et he aster he/ Isis Rea"), II milk fir as_y ea each adielemMir di m no; et the WIZ bill hed ben ate y et the' mi d ea . Thee we la hisealeuha et war, . ~,war at the ewe We two =Wilke esateedi- „ Ala " dig on het W 7. 41 . WAG rail actual war. Talk of pees inet tLi - ari tine • prospect of pesos, why all haw bed &rag kr the last fear years. In Lombardy, la la th e street, of Berl* Vilma, and Park they he bee owiwally firtiag. The ,melt heall bees the =Wail s es s ilitu7 force, of great rimier —ths ansalarmy et se lects over &meanie daises*. Throughout Mange wen sew met snake, esedshoyed ley their rulers, whisk =tight am .. ri=sl .l. = seabed this seastry. He me= the vas ei bot i. weber We the West . litt Week ad weedersed eM:esse.ll2ll4C with gentlemen SW the Modest kind' d jEillke ea the enablers et oseamen MSC (A laugh.) Whet the lam gendarme said was sedan, so direst, es easy to be understood, that it masted te be the meet esseible and truthful thing that end be add ea the wades. He (Sir John Walsh) re tied t thee splash. blesses it showed exactly whet he (Mr. Cobble) was rya lebsurlag to disprove, vie., the airooky et this d to meet any emer ray. The ben a .ameZE P alen) west through se epitome of the of this .eatery _for the lost We sr twelve yaw era awed that theme Id bed We or is ow Is whisk Ilagled had bee. is l i e the Ms. esolimma rekned la the with hasela, with Fusee ea the edlest of Priteherksad the Swab userlegit ; le the -shape. =deli the United States reepredeg t a w Nine and Oregon boun daries, NW the awe et Er e and of lde, Welles, in order to lbw that though thole lei bees door, there lei bum os war. Ppm he be. 1 vie mil that mesa. the nib kid (Lerd kterfendia airaitred roam la favourite'', visa Wages, set Wog delivered up to Austria by ad ea a ea yrr newlea thleessetry had bees= veiw ea the One Menlo, so wok se that the getr iN fOksliferilife M. Hwy' de Vile wally . lea as batl: l•PilL eatee.rfaW llNl lest" tr " ohs d ad bee. member (Mr. Oshas). The relations of =with foreign couneeles were so complicated, awes mew arise, sad bewever reluctantly, still it we perlie that this country might be forced into a sole its honour or its intereete. The very state of ',freshen, however, enabled petite negotia • tient to be carried on with satisfactery roultt. I f in a defenceless state, this country would sot men wonliglat i emease the mall per -11M----lustiek gm required to lit fee disbar"' of thsir duty, the defence of lisle menary. (Hear. Is &to , the priselple of the bill Ms steel ▪ Yea. l+. ) sag that, gleugh • amber of die late memement, end though set ea advocate of what were e at yam gpiesiniek how` _yet emend m the laim , I eiple ef the MIMI; - sheathe,. If the bUI beim the MOM was what It maimed lbs, so dice as Its title impeded, s a emesidaft as wells an estiming bill," it might is ban bete by the eat of Ow 111., is use. tbst the hems t me at a dew no fall *Mast of the beriimele be by ne erastry, and the harming Men at the daties le be maned from the inhabitants. Mar, Mir.) The has, lamest had admitted that there weesirup paelleular is the present situnion el alike la Range le the lima made by her X. W. Ise aa Meow te the military his.. of the mentry to the anent of so large a term ea MAN isle— (nil, se.") If be were mistaken in what he attribated to the hee. Wesel (Mr J. Walsh), mad it the km busiest ISlt erne wee seseelhing palmier in the madded of he . Peel) aft _lbengibt then that woe set to • nem= being le establik a Mee re feree sot le be rammed from year Crier—Cheer, hoor)—bst devising am wk grans from Mat beme—(hear, bsar)—• smoure whisk was is direct eentramellem of the prime& that the keeping up a large serading grog is ties of pease was the M ead the esenitatiee. (Hear, bear.) again i he bas.mullemes) did not in any way dispute, on the erstrery, le quite - .Mined the propriety of taking memeres ti compies Mien of this ematry ; bet his I ken the pia propeasded by bar Re 'height 010 - 11 we a Mee be may GM spathe, oat el ell peewees le 'be malty of the ameba they weal me sa Mar.) Now, the mat impartial wadi= was, in 'mist mimmer the twee we te be mink Roe Majesty's Mil led the braes ad the emery believe be nisi shiest by vonstary wlMeset.. and that pmple weld be Omni in esagent nimbus ready le volanser eerviesA adto ester without the ban the risks of Ike MlitM. Thee was fa feet only Olds Inter M the esiso4 and peeped Militia Aele, that while by the prenen MI that sem of W. per am less is lie WI out of lie nelimel re seder the exiling RtlAla glipespe tebet It wee be prii eel MM. had rates ; but the he ad M Anne, we that, as then, so now le the anticipation of vo luntary service would set be (hair, het-- bat that this of voluntary educate' weld be aegatory and no fruits. (lie nz f law.) Dewar, con sider, what their prospect of ideals» would be? Suppose that is them psalms the when the matenals were them ableast Sal, the were willing le mks their mks a We which thry emit weess o r lowest mad lamt degraded of the would even metre it • seeentasie for al li rnredied male paupers, he did net RIM thm ma ender rimming..., they *Gehl obtalslie ins Ihry (lher.) Re observed hem a reemenuesaled the ether dig Rattle amber of adult Ale-bodied pamper melee 11l sal mooed WSW, and that of that number men thin emboli wen supported by public charity is cense tome, ashlars sr seam idealit or other. (Dear, ham) Bat they must tear in mind that under this bill the Alois country was to be divided into districts, and that sad we to reetribete its quota according to the pr os : tiro m that them districts late which the working great soele d esomfacturs and in oeustie, for intense. of gi ants and No d West Mktg nil South Lancashire, world ha woe for the Isepiat seatributions. Now it was la gurus Asses that erode nest was abundant, where no I mam MB be idle that Chen is work, when wages were high end employment *went—w hem, moreover, there was old ea arramimeet of industrial combination that as the labour of ono MS MSS dependent the labour of le that to remove that man would be to stop ire of several others. Was it likely, thee, a* is laneashire, for example, they would lad gilder IRPMnesn willing to abandon their emplegmeM ant lOW a genie of precisely an opposite netrigaii Metre, is., ed* INS transient in its character sal usamassers tin le Rem omega' in it ? (Hear, hem) He (Mr. Peel) weed gelkg to say that there were net 00,000 per , mess is Ile esuatry who world sot be wiling is ester the MID if the militia, far there yen plenty el poems who Weald pair idleness of that had is Mike, mad labour =description. Bat, as the Ma gentims who spoke had said, these were the ney pieta meet like s / t 1s be employed as substitutes by the intim of the (Rear, hear), lie had heed fi said IMO &Meg the ear with revolutionary France though the beam Owed by law to volunteers was 61., it we eats= is pay es much as 301. to 401. foe substitutes, and se it would be again. These men would be stasolleg_ be until they were galled upon to offer their seestem as eabelltana, and thee weld receive treble end gmedniple the amment at' rwae eassem in the first insane*. Meer.) I. believed, Met they would be esepelled to be* sieseree conscription ; and after it had beau dews dm .= monies was a failure, and that the people reppled it as :Cisdis their interest., to attempt to forma= against ieelinatione into the nab of the ttlolda r Weld meats seek oppositn and diamm(ont egaiset Re Niemen as meld reader I t inoperative. (Hene.leee.) hold that is time of e to have reeourse le the bast was le este bii a cys tsof unjustifiable inequellty. They rintired the amount of service from the di ISM Slid from the paw men; and while the former might vary sonvreiently ad a substitute, it might be quite out of the power of the latter to do so. The measure had, thereto», all the in justice and all the inequality of a poll-tax. (Hear, Mar.) Bat what wore the semen WWI wen to be re quired of the militia mane They wee to earn kr 21 days in the Nurse dim mar—set em ear days however. became ber Mej is cased' we le have tire poem of detemluing at whisk Re Wining wee te lake plea, amd she a nds thet vu le Mon between this.. Desks the Wale of them 11 dew, the ma would be lishis be mirth' law—Hpt was is ray, is se her at all. (Rear bear.) Their eivirrights west be Melly sus pesded sad kept in abeyaace, and they would los eatirely enigma Se the will el every repridoes aim (Hear, bear) Ihr woo this all. Zan mem wee tote ewe the when of the erem it _the pies in WIWI he was sordid g se thee if it nen vailled. far ineme, la Hcmile Wes he was mil If it should bete hie Merest te ge lo Un ene▪ tries, le wall be liable le he said yes still to Imam hole sank* in the Ismer manly. The was • new law of entlemst, that wash apnea oa labomisg classes, to bind the is Re mill whose Rep drat began to serve, and OM weal invent Re doom emmehing the liberty of draft In what mt Slitellinellell tin weld live. (Keekhar) U. 91r, , resq t o he militia, let them irill mei exercise it tee Re y we ld sever form se aide* sad en** part the dames of the menley. (Chang el Ws alternatives they ma adept. •11111emen were, or they muse net, ea rod pe lie twit Wee. If they we net, thee what be bad MI woe true ; mad 1/ they tome, thus be would beg le impress is the home the odeetiese mini had has imi rid out by the hes. weamber Krabeater, who the other night that, " We shell, every live ran, thrown into the lower souse et the purple ID 000 poem who tam bees withdraws Mum' the esha pannits et iadustry, and who have Wad • military eat. and Maim habits, who have bee. Selma in the nature of ewe, sad have leaned what dielplise and sub mittals. is." (Cheers.) Ho Peel) Rea& be bail Am that this is,.. weeK be breeirneees beef.i all Is respect of to ad ohor d w it hish k Weld bo. t b rid t ste za t relleveess tbey . 24l " re lh. enesit 10 pur memo that wadi redoes ea* soh* he died hie war be et eseel Atveshoe. estreehei te he aphis Oho he Lad ladylike, that a nabs of broree, selke s mai menhelarese dwelt be de. a Moir is Mlle is whim le ."" rMeZ pease, wed nom= dos et weep be &salt ei the massiment. Mr. OATE was Mack with the dißmeace it ma* whet aide of the hem it wen which ea had. gm ileum wale. (Cheers and corsaWs sheen.) Whets le beard the speech of the hon. weals, he Lemke*, (11r. P , he mild manely believe his ow mew The hem was wdermoretery of state it the Mann Nader the he genriment, sad his name steed reearded as ha Kr. L—l raver voted. Med ir their militia bill. eers.) Mr. NIWDZOATE wert set w (Ch _te tnst te his own meellesties. The bum gluglems (Rr. Owyn) led thmehre at his mese IMMO. IBIS &ISM list, and then stood the mime of M. Peel. (Ohm gig laughter.) Yet they had Mord the hem madmen we, sot spinet the bill of the goeernment, bat against labs aey force at all. (Cheat) Then was another deemeleme which deserved notice. During the debate Igen Re is- ' »eduction of the measure of the late prime Weller, the right hon. gentleman the member for Wain, (Mr. Sid ney Herbert) stated that a similar measure MO hi mama plates by the late Sir Robert Peel, but that the IR we net liseraglit forward in consequence of the chew la the salimey. It would this be seen that the hes. gmillews (Mr. Peel) was opposing a measure sanctioned nee sigh, the government of which he was himself a motor, bat by that which had preceded it. (Hoar, hear.) Me Newde gate then proceeded to quote at great length the celebrated letter of the Duke of Wellington to Sir John Burgoyne is 1817 as a complete answer to such hon. gentle men who thought that the country was not Is &Apr, Or that it was su ffici ently defended by the un disciplined and unorganised valour of English's /ski That was the authority on which he hued his position. 1G had opposed a militia in 1848, but finding that the lobe's opinion was unaltered, and that the highest military wed naval authorities concurred as to the necessity of additilani defence, ands in 'thinking that owing to the maximal the railways in France, the concentration et in the event of an invasion, would not be ea the man tra r France, but on that of England. (Hear, Mac) This ffer doted the defence of the Channel infinitely mere difiladt Then the character of the French Prenatal MS to be con ht. red. 11c had been Ion" resident in this country ; he was known to be a predestinarian, sea • , 1. 1,...e himtelf des tined to fill a greet cat. (lie... , r ) When in this smu ta t ie hod attempted the of Promo. (A had sipst l 186 ' Awe ft=flfiratefal Ar they'll:ea the canned of this imelarn than was no he would at tempt it. Linda gabs Mlablation of eireumstanees, it womb' be aadness lager lithelest the warning alb* Dohs of Wel- VI . . BOMB WI Sir R. PEEL rose at the sane time. There were lend mks for the hem. baronet, but he gave way ; and Kr. Midges presesied to say that mak of the prejudice "phut the lime" militia arose lima the severity with width the USK lad operated drug SO last wet. FethaPi, is he or he Itters, redeleat hem might be obtained the earl of esa N 101 N. • but be known . 1114= 11 1 Ohe n tut*. the lota amount that te hybrids et theuradi. te be ll woe there wee me purr miesat of Ski apenditure. salivated the heremeht te madder wall If the.. wee het ma other Neele et WIN) raiding tit the asthma deism It was pared atHs anti dpated bald{ *at tine goat objeetion to dr rinse had arLm Forweetty tiserties was rep ammo her the militia ; at cos time time were MO ismirars in the regi ment to which ha belemled. (Great lasitter.) Sir IL PEEL—Sir, with the particular views which I entertain on this important subject, and believing, as I firmly do, that my particular views are of no singular , cha racter, but are shared, as they ought to be, by all the people of this coon , I ask the attention of the Louse while I sake a few ebssrvathaa (dean hen.) I have listened with web Madre le the Agawam which hon. gentle wiwa bon aerated te the here during the course of this discussion, sad at ease4 esi itheat any further preface. I beg 'slimly to dissent—l entirely to contest the politi cal-expediency and the necessity of this measure, upon which we are now called upon, if not to register our votes, at all events to explain our opinions. (Hear, hear.) I beg at once entirely to separate myself from those who, en• tertaining doubtless opinions similar to myself, entertain in reality very opposite notions as regards our great military and navel estab*hments. It would be in opposition to any vote of mine were these establishments—expensive as the are, exorbitantly expensive, and capable of much economic retrenchment —in any way permanently reduced. I place no faith whatever in what Is called " the universal brotherhood of man "—(laughtcr)— nor in the possibility of the adjustment of the differences of nation by arbitration. (Loud cheers fees the Labe Oriel aide.) Human nature will ever be rearedi tithe ear /salons, the same ambitions, the sane rib er fir hark, which have ever, in the progress of m mcmhol mankind; and therefore it is that in my op= it 'sold be sa ill-judged economy, •dangerous expenrosmikl to attempt to give practical illustration to the doctrines ell those patinas who would wish fur the reduction of our national establishments, naval and military, in antieipatioa of the advent of mice wok fraternal era as what they talk of. Bet I think the hems will agree with me that there is no subject callable of producing mere serious em barrassment to the domestic diseiplise sad seoaomg of a nation (than that resulting from an idea of the in efficiency of the national defences to maintain the national independence. And certain It is, that in the dis cussion of a subject of such very great importance to us all, that temperate deliberation in parliament, which on all occasions is so necessary should particularly now prevail, in order that the public mind out of (loon may not be swayed by unseemly fears, or carried away by overweening confidence, and blinded to the reality of our position. (Hear, hear.) It is, therefore, that I think the conduct of the late government—with all due respect—is open to much censure. (Rear, hear.) I think their conduct to be highly reprehensible, in creating and fostering an ignominious panic of foreign invasion. (Cheers, and laughter.) I regret that the noble lord the member for Tiverton (Lord Palmer ston), for whom I personally entertain great political epee pathy, and, may Ibe permitted to add, puma should have given the weight of his experience, Mt 'section of his authority, to this vain display cit military organisation—that he should have cemented to saddle the people with the maintenance of that which cir cumstances did not justify and which his own experience of European po licy most have told him to be idle, futile, and unnecessary. The improve ments which skill and science have introduced into the art of war—the rapid locomotion by means of steam power—and the consequent possible rapid concentration of forces in any one given point, are subjects of very serious moment to the consideration of the governments of all nation,. But I maintain that the relative position of this country has in no wise altered; and that it does by no means follow, that because we have been in the habit kw years of voting these large sums of money for our national defence, we should therefore now give our sanction to this increase of the burdens of an already overburdened popula tion—(cheers)--and that we should consent to vote the sum of 1,200,0001. for this purpose, when l;for ene—donlit less many in this house—certainly many in the country, ignorantly as it appears—wero under the 'repulsion that the government had ample means at their disposal already for this purpose, through the liberality of parliament, and the prolonged peace. But, whatever improvements other nations have introduced into the science of war, ought net we equally to have profited by them ? True it is that we excel in other arts than those of bloodshed and plunder ; but what is there in the art of war which other nether may have learnt which we have not equally within ear meet ready gimp ? Yet we, the people of this country, am suddenly and unexpectedly to be told by a government in the very last gasp of its political existence—a government having had a tenure of office for five years—a government succeeding to the administration presided over for years by air Robert Peel, and singularly felicitous in its Teatime" with foreign powers—we are tri he told that the national defences are inadequate to preserve the sewed shares at Britain from the devastating bands of bindles lealelms. (Cheers.) Away with the delusion—away with tr id = minious panic of foreign invasion. (Cheers.) I as I have already said, that the relative position of MS country as regards other countries never was better than at the present moment; and therefore it is that I regret to see that parliament should be sanctioning this lap expendi ture of 1,200,0001. for the purpose of voting additional men to our already large standing army. (Hear, hear.) I think it is our bounden duty Imes as tatives to be very cautious how we 42 1 with a subject of so much difficulty as eds. We !mkt to hear in mind that these great Wham se rather impoverish our country than it. (Cheers.) And particularly we ought this It" it Illiadili at best but moderate soldiers, eell Malt OM eon gerous citizens. (Cheers.) I am seirs I mead out many other ways in which 1,200,000?. could be of better than by this vote, and from which at would derive much greater satisfaction • and am liaise sure that the country will not be one jot or tittle's/a sr pable of defending itself against a foreign invades *is V these 110,000 men were drum up in the neighbominel of the metropolis. (Hear, hear.) But, whatever MOM err ' credit attaches to the rerun In the eyes of the ainnley, it ought justly to be attributed to the inte They examined Ma the necessity of its nal the propriety of its adistism They the plum which have besa adores' IV reseal seeleameal t sad it would be smjust as tie to Alm_ this yew sent odmisistration with ous eturelkir of their prodsebron. (Chem sad i s m ep =asessied hastily* power ups the of their adverades. (Chars esel livi l AM I think it it l eAte aistursl I. eaysime. that same sedleient time In mist Owl 044 imegial,i ed•eifl OM late ON al. 1 Li met powerful mew for isepesing Aim messiie, they should refuse to adjourn Its dlesuseim, at his ayes themselves the responsibility at ma of a tatdiy dieffeat course. (Hear, hear.) And now, es alma* 0.111/1 baa. gentleman who has addressed the house desks the lug three or four weeks has taken an opportunity of spelt. lag with reference to the present government, ia Anglia. Oh 4:Whim own political views, if the house will punk sat it two or three moments, I ask a similar hiekligeme. (Hear, bear.) I admit personally that I ass oda die OW willing eye Lord Derby at the head of the administration of the government of this country. (Loud cheers hem the ministerial benches.) I think that noble lord is la • posi tion to heed as adminietration based upon liberal cesserva . . . . live principles, contellinglbt dentenliet real prosperity to this country. (Hear, beet.) As as enter, we know he is unequalled; as a statesman, let us hold him open to con viction. (Cheers and laughter.) For no man, however elo quent. eon bops to remake isea t the header yobbo affairs in MA asesatry, or teem a dm ng of Om to maintain his peddles as a paha sum, unless is prepared to mould his palled seed—l don't say hastily or without dine sem sidseatiesselreisers and great laughter)—but wale, he is due consideration, caution, and observation, r iP salthle political creed according to the exigencies of the times and the temper of public discussion. (Cheep and laughter.) I feel perfectly convinced that Lord Derby sees the necessity—that he acknowledges the necessity of main taining intact that policy, the expediency of which be may have hitherto, and he has hitherto unquestionably doubted. (Hear, bear.) It remains with him—it remains with you— for ever to obliterate from the catalogue of political deno minations those political distinctions which have hitherto existed—existed particularly amongst the members of one class, the owners and occupiers of land. (Hear, hear.) It remains with you now to tell tho people of England that the policy of free-trade is irrevocably secured. (Loud cheers.) It remains with you to assure the people of England that the policy of free-trade ie irrevocably secured upon the consent and the unanimous admission of all political parties in this house. (Cheers.) If you do this, I think that the sympathies of the country will carry jou triumphant to the next parliament. (Cheers and laughter.) But suppose they do not—however, it may be— in the firm, unflinching adhesion to my own political opinions, I take my stand here as a liberal conservatili• free trader. (Cheers.) I propose, as &liberal conservative, to give my support to an administration presided over by Lord Derby, on all occasions affecting the real interests of the country, until I see an attempt made to subvert, to blunt the edge of that policy Inaugurated in parliament by Bir Robert Peel, sanctioned uy the legislature, confirmed and approved by the country. (Cheers.) Until I see an attempt to subvert that policy which has adhered to the affectionate recollection of tens of thousands of the people of this country—(cheers)—l shall give, as a liberal con servative, my adhesion to an administration presided over by Lord Derby. (Hear.) But though I do this as a liberal conservative, I have a right to ask. as a member of the House of Commons, as a representative of the people, what are the reasons for this extraordinary peace establish ment which it is now proposed to set on foot —where arc the circumstances which should render an invasion probable ? (Hear, hear.) True, the govern ment have opportunities of ascertaining the drift of public affairs better than we, who arc not called to paiticipato in their labours. But if we have not those opportunities, we ' have the means of judging fur ourselves. The intentions of cabinets are no longer confined, as f+rmerly, within their ancient narrow limits, but admit now-a-days of public ap preciatice • awl ore liable to he suggested by public opinionFroat tht .c uppitwnitire I have sought 'aroma- tien, and tat ilia life of me I alma divine the mesa of Hiss, Immense preparations. (neer, hear.) The only possible plea for Wing to the existing defence of am military and naval eftaMishments is the possibility of s sudden invade& by amass of the facilities of transport whisk the invention of stern may have placed in the hands of as unmeupiulons adventurer or despot. But I believe, if such en atiewit were made, it would end in admini stering a repetition of the humiliation which all those experienced who had the hardihood to enter upon a contest with this country. (Hear, hear.) What, I should like to know, is meant by the term "sud den invasion," which Is so often used but with little weight ? The noble lord the member for Tiverton has defined it thus : " We have to provide," he says ? " not spinet a danger which may happen in six or eight months, but which may happen In a month or a fortnight from the time when it ie first apprehended." I ask the house and I ask the country, is it possible to admit this definition of the noble lord? (Hear, hear.) I ask him whether it is pos sible that he could sit in the office for foreign affairs, where there were electric wires concentrated from every port of Europe, and that 110,000 men could be landed in • fort night without his knowledge ? (Hear, hear.) Do you think the noble lord believes this to be possible ? Not at all. (Cheers.) If it wore possible, what I ask becomes of all the agents of diploma whom • writer of the day has called "licensed spie s' (Laughter.) What becomes of those licensed spies whose duty it is to promote harmony and good feeling between the government to which they are accredited and that which they represent ? I have been one of thou licensed spies, as they are called, for four years and I had therefore an opportunity of be in this mat ter. Now I (maintain that it would be impossible so to evade or blind the vigilance of these agenta that they would remain ignorant of such an intention if it was meant to be carried out. (Hear, hear.) But if the agents of diplomacy could be deceived, there was the press of this country, and from my own personal knowledge I can sa y that the press of this country is singularly hazardous in their determination to acquire information and singularly accurate in the information so acquired, and it had fre quently the opportunity of communicating intelligence to the public before the government itself had received it. (Hear.) But supposing it was even possible to evade the agents of diplomacy end the vigilance of those active gem tlemen who obtained information for the press, there was • third agency which it was perhaps still more difficult to evade—the agency of commerce. (Cheers.) The agents of commerce anti mercantile firms often obtained more infor mation than could be obtained from the divisions of cabi nets and the intrigues of statesmen. (Hear, hear.) Any rumour of war communicated itself at once as if by an elec tric wife to all the great centres of European commerce. (Hear.) The merchant in Odeon, in Marseilles, and in Manchester, receive the intelligence at the same time, and these gentlemen are not backward in communicating the information to their respective governments. (Hear, hear.) It was quite impossible that the agents of diplomacy, the press, and the mercantile world, could be all deceived, and that a sudden invasion could be made upon England on the part of a foreign power without its being known before hand. (Hear, hear.) I do not desire to cry down or to depreciate the advantage or the intrepidity of militia men ; but if there was danger now, I would prefer to see 10,000 men added to the standing army and an increase of our steam frigates then this enlistment of militia (Hear, hear.) I have no do-ire to depreciate the utility of militia men. But there is, in my mind, this complete drawback and irre i aistible objection to a militia in this country—that it would derange its industry and its commerce. (Hear, hear.) This would be the direct effect of the till now proposed, for however short a time they may be called out. And, unless there was some imminent danger, I dont think you would be justified In taking men from their homes and from their ordinary occupations in life. (Hear, hear.) It is for these reasons—seeing that England is happily in the enjoyment of the blessings of perfect peace with all Euro pean states—that I regret the introduction of this bill. I would lament the em bo diment of • militia in an :econo mical point of view. I would regret the vast expenditure of the public money, which is not justified by the circumstances of the case, nor by any political expediency. 1 desire to see this bill abandoned because I do not wish to see parliament saddling the coun try with that which, so far from being a security for peace, has • direct tendency to war. (]fear, h ea r ) lam sure that if a foreign force were to pollute the sacred shores of Britain, and were to attempt to carry fire and pillage throughout tho country, there would be one rallying cry from every part and nook of the island ; one spirit would animate every British heart, and countless thousands would rush to the southern shores to give an enthusiastic welcome Ito a nation of warriors brought together in the sacred cause of national independence. (Loud cheers.) Col. CIIATTERTON briefly supported the bill. Mr. P. HOWARD said that he would support the bill. (Hear, hear.) He thought he was bound in consistency to support a bill, the principle of which ho supported when the late govenunent were in office. Sir J. PAILINGTON said, looking at the state of Europe, and looking at the state of our defence', he thought few, if soy, would deny, that in policy and in prudence, they were bound to take care that the defences of the country were placed on a more satisfactory footing. (Cheers.) lie believed he might say with equal confidence, that on both sides of the house there prevailed amongst the leading poli ticians a very general opinion that the most constitutional and the best mode of providing the requisite defence was, upon some plan or other to resort to the old and approved scheme of a militia force. (Cheers.) The hon. member for Leominster (Mr. F Peel), to whose speech he must say he listened with greatturpnse.—(Ministerial cheers)—that hon. gentleman, a member of the late government— (" hear," and heers)—ono of those gentlemen who sat behind her Majesty's Ministers, when the noble lord oppo site urged, in strong and just language, the necessity for a militia, and who was at that time prepared, he supposed, to support the government with his vote, that hon. gentleman now declared that he was opposed to the very principle of a militia bill. (Loud ministerial cheers.) The hon. member for Richmond (Mr. Rich) had also de• elared that he was prepared to vote that this bill should be read a second time that day three months ; and yet he, too, was a member of the late government, and, he supposed, was also prepared to vote in favour of their bill. (Hear, hear.) He must say that this was encouraging, as showing the effect of good discipline. (Laughter.) The hon. mem ber for Leominster said that one reason why he opposed the bill was, that it would encroach on the industry of the country. Now, he (Sir J. Palsington) must say that he felt the strongest objection to that mode of arguing the question. (Hear, hear.) It was a most unworthy method of meeting the proposition then before parliament. (Hear, hear.) The first duty of the state—the first duty of every cilium of the state—was, to take care that the state was protected. (Hear.) That was a duty imposed on every man by the principles of the constitution. To say that when there was weakness at home we should weaken our distant possessions in order to provide for our own defence, was to say what he was convinced would not be found acceptable either to a majority of that house, or to any large portion of the public. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Richmond had made an objection, which he had heard with surprise, from one professing to take a popular view of political subjects. He said they ought to be amid of putting arms in the hands of the people ; a day of disturbance might arise, and thee they might regret Imeing eutruite, the reople with Kee to defend the country. He begged to tell the bars. sandman th at he had no such fear. (Cheers.) his Wheal then is no ground for such a fear. .(Cheers.) Neither istadd he sub scribe to the view stated in soma of the patithets, that by peeing this law they would entauragei deeskennese sod bad habits mow die pee. . im ible to say what class of eirimilsege night Maw to this force ; men not of the bedew dam night be to join by the bounty ; but ha put It to bon. gestliseasei whether 'beer bonen were set epos now and whether habits of military discipline IMO misty to mishit any passes worse than they were at peon& Anew& the Tarim mitentes on the paper was that of the tight ban. gentleman the member for Man chester, AV pestpsdug the bill altogether till the meeting of the next parliament. He must say, however, that the amendment which be had heard with the greatest surprise, was that of the hon. member for Westbury (Mr. J. Wilson), to the effect that it was better that any increase which might be made in the defences, should be made in the shape of an addition to tho regular army. He could imagine the manner in which the government would have been met by hon. gentlemen oppo site had they come down to the house and said, " We think there is longer of an outbreak in the present political state of Eurap, asi therefore we propose to add some ten or twenty thousand non to the standing army." (Hear, hear.) He, for one, should have felt the gravest objections to that mode of attaining the object. Ile did not mean to say that the army was as strong as he should like to see it ; but, looking at the object which they then had in view—namely, the strengthening of their defences to provide for the event of a sudden convulsion of Europe or a sudden attack on their own shores, he thought they might trust more to the militia which it was proposed to embody than to any very limited addition to the stand ing army. As had been urged with unanswerable truth, the same outlay which would give an addition of eight or ten thousand men to the standing army, would suffice for 80,000 militia men; to which it might be added this great advantage, thee the militia mon, when not em bodied, would cost the country nothing, and yet would Ins always ready in ease of necessity. Above all there was the argument, urged with great ability by the noble lord the member for Tiverton, that when the people became impa tient, as they doubtless would become, of the eat of the standing army, a portion of it would have to be dismissed, and could not be recalled, while the militia would always remain an available force. Moreover, experience showed that nothing could be more expeditious or more efficient than drafts of men for the army. These were, he thought, conclusive reasons against substi tuting for the militia an addition to the standing army. (Hear.) Under the plan which was now proposed, he believed it would not be necessary to resort to the ballot, or at least only to a very limited extent. He be lieved, confidently, and he bad heard much to strengthen his belief, that they might trust to the volunteers. (hear, hear.) They had brought forward the plan which they considered the one most likely to strengthen the defences—they had brought forward the plan which, in their judgment, would be attended with the least pro. Bible inconvenience to the country, and would cause the least possible detriment to the industrial habits of the people. They had discharged their duty as a government, by bringing forward, on their own re sponsibility, the measure which they thought best; and it was for the house to determine whether, looking at the present state of affairs in Europe, they would take upon themselves the responsibility of its rejec tion. lle, for one, was not prepared to incur the ri span. aibility of alistaining from proposinl! cheers.) —Sir, if I were o ne of ther e mthuanttrylshoreflulduibe"renadoy additional Lord J. RUSSELL aid i d w e h fr o n a ce o i ug t a ht ver t y ha p t rob th a t le than they to the second reading of this bill. I might say thattoitl"thloaeulet it was not required, although it involved a waste of rr ioe u€ , y , although it was a needless effort, yet no great mischiei fhtorthbeer betterdefen ce or s im i i t iod is em e could arise from it ; that the government had brought it forward on their responsibility, and on their respousibih t , I would leave it to rest.. But, sir, it is because I feel that th thls ink m ite un d tr e Y fences re"ir oti e gla now are, that I feel myself unable to consent to the second reading.. (Laughter, and Mi es o f " Oh, ober from the min isterial side of the house.) si r' g do so on the ground that I believe thi s bill, so a meag ere of defence, would prove an utter delusion. (Hear, hear,) It is because I em convinced that you would find at the end of • year or two, that it had utterly failed of giving you any security, that I object to the adoption of such a mea sure by parliament. I do so on the same ground that I should object to put into the hands of infantry muskets that would bunt, or into the hands of cavalry swords that would break. (Roar, hear.) I do so on the ground that, if you are not providing fir the sufficient defences of the country, you are doing mischief by endeavouring to persuade parliament and the cotaitry that you are providing a defence which is sufficient. N o e r sir, I must ask the hope to listen to me whil e I state what 1 think is the general danger to be encountered, and what 1 think is wanted at the present time. I Ma to state what I think is the danger to be encountered, because I should not like to have it supposed that I share in the apprehension of the arrival of an enemy in a single e ig ht, without notice of any kind being received in this cowry; or think that we shall hear of an army marching on Lon don without our having had any previous symptoms of hostility. Those are notions which tend rather to create a panic than to give rise to soy reasonable precautions against danger. Sir, I proceed only on the ground that we hare near us • Joey powerful neighbour, with whom, in the course of the last century, we have had several wars. About a century ago we went to war with France, because we wished to defend our American pot. sessions, and France wished to attack them; shout 211 rare later we went to war with France, because France wee then disposed to defend those same American prege w e eee which bad declared their independence; in 17e3 we went to war with France, because democracy was prevailing there, and we were afraid of the spread of n publica n principles; and in 1004 we again went to war with France, because she was under • pow. r. IAA and despotic sovereign, and we were afraid of the spirit of conquest exhibited by that sovereign. Nor can I believe that the world is so much changed, that the passions of nations are so much assuaged, that I can contend that no cause an arise for these two milieu going to war. I cannot believe that France will really e w er into war with this country, but still I cannot say it is im possible. Same preparation could no doubt be nude bat the question then is whether we should have, in case hosti lities broke out, that time which we have hitherto had for preparation against invasiou. Those who have looked at the history of those wars will see that it has happen. d more than once that we were ill prepared fur war. Uur mili tary and naval establishments were exceedingly low, and that it was not perhaps in the second or even on the third year of the war that we could stake great efforts against the enemy with when[ we had to contend. Can I say that we should have equal time for preparation now ? I am afraid we must come to the conclueon that the means of war are so improved, as well so the arts of peace, that the force of nations, the armed force of nations, against each other would be more speedy. and at the same time more destructive, than heretofore. Well, sir, if that be the case, if that statement cannot be denied, it is not suffi cient to refer to what we have done in former wars, to the safety of this island, to its immunity from attacks, to the forces by which invasions have been repelled, to the forces of the elements, which have no longer that power which they had in 1804 and 1805 to repel an invading force. MI these precedents fail us, and we are free to confess that the means of invasion are now much more in the hands of those who are now disposed to make war. Well, then, air, if that is the case, what should be the means by which we should endeavour to meet any attack ? But here let me say again, as 1 should not wish to exaggerate the causes of I hostility, more especially the present causes, so I do not wish to exaggerate the sort of invasion to which we might be exposed. I believe that if unties of 60,e00, or 80,000, or even 150,000 men were to be prepared, that that prepa ration must take a considerable time, and that we should have the means of preventing any such invasion taking place. But there might be • much less force. There might be 5,000, 10,000, or 15,000 mcn landed at some part of the coast, and at the same time there might be 4,000 or 5,000 landed by steamers on some other part of the coast. Well, then, the question arises, whatforce hare we to meet such attack', and the answer must be, although my bon. and gallant friend seems to think that our forces must be greater, we have, including the Guards, 24,000 infantry and 17,000 cavalry; and when I am told that the forces in Ireland could he brought over to this country, I must say that the executive government would hardly venture to take such a measure ; for if they did, nothing ' would bo more likely than an invasion of Ireland. You would be taking a very improvident course, and onewhich you would probably feel the calamitous ennsectuences of. Then I must come to the conclusion that 24; 1 00 infantry in Great Britain and 17,000 cavalry is not a sufficient force to meet such attacks. In considering the measure that I pro- posed to the house, it seemed to me and to those who were to consider that measure, that there are two ways in which men may become go od soldiers and fit to defend their country. One is, when they are men of that high spirit, moved ray very strong religious or political feeling, or when they believe their country to be in a danger peculiarly threatening. Of such a description of force were the forte which Cromwell, with his great sagacity and great know ledge of mankind, raised and commanded himself, and which he brought to a state of discipline which enabled him to overcome the best cavalry and cavaliers of the royal army. Of such a description of force were those 400,000 men who, at the beginning of this century, started up in order to defend their land from a despot who would have destroyed our liberties. Of such a description of force were those Hungarians who of late years defended their country when they were attacked by the whole force of Austria. Meet powerful armies may be made in that way; but the way in which armies are more usually constructed, and in which state they have generally been put into the hands of great commanders, is that of taking young men of indolent disposition, having a love of military adventure, who arc not naturally subordinate in their character, but who, by mili tary discipline and habits of subordination, are brought to be excellent soldiers, and ready to perform the greatest fears which armies can perform. Now, with regard to this latter character we have some information from an authority who has been quoted tonight and whose words I will venture to bring before the house. It is a man whom you would have thought was command ing such troops as I have mentioned, men excited to the greatest degree of enthusiasm by the danger to which their country was subjected, I mean the Americans during tho war of independence. General Washington says, " It takes me two or three months to bring new men to be acquainted with their duty. It takes a longer time to bring the tem per to such a subordinate state of feeling as is necessary for a soldier." And at another time he says, " to bring men to a proper degree of subordination is not the work of a day or • year." To the same effect is one of Mr. Pitt's speeches, at the commencement of the century. Re says that " six weeks or two months is the leak that a military man thinks is sufficient for • man to make a soldier." Well, now, to ask men to take part in the militia forces of the country is to impose a peat hardship upon them, and we endeavoured to temper that hardship with every sort of alleviation that we could plasm in the way. In the first place we said we would not take married men—we would not take those men from 25 to 35, who were most of them married and "cake in life—wo would take young men from 20 to 21. In the present year WO propped to take them from 20 to 23, but after the present year no man should be liable to the ballot until after he bad attained the age of 20, or when he had pared the age of 21. Now this made a very great limit, and confined the ballot to • class of men who are not settled in life, who might take service for a short time, and afterwards undertake an industrious occupation. In the next place, we said that these men in ordinary circum stances should not be moved out of their owe countie-. Wa did not propose to take them to a distance to be drilled. But, in the third place, we said this, that even in the case of invasion, or of an imminent danger of invasion, they should be taken for six months, or at most for one year, to defend their country. Now, considering the age of these men, considering the time that they were to sent, I think that there was alleviation of any hardship in these three conditions, and that in ease of danger of invasion such men would not object to go for one year away from their homes. They would then have their places supplied by the regular army, and they would then be ready so return and betake themselves to their trades. So convinced was I of the necessity of putting in condition,' of this kind and not resorting to the regular militia with its old form of ballot, that when the noble lord the member for Tiverton proposed to resort '.o the old form of militia, 1 declined at once hying a party to such a measure. In the first place this bill refuses the advantage of either of the prin ciples I have mentioned. What I say is, either form a force which you can depend on far their high spirit and love of their country, or from whatever source of enthu siasm and moral energy you can obtain, or else from sol diers, by dint of discipline, not caring in what way yen obtain them. But in the present cue you have neither one nor the other. The motives are entirely mercenary. You give a bounty of fil. In offering them 61, you naturally get those men who are most needy, who have the lent settled habits,who have the least prospect of rising in the world, or earning sufficient to enable them to support themselves. Well such men, if they are made soldiers, do every day make excellent soldiers ; hut why do they msko excellent soldiers ? Because they arc submitted to the dis cipline of our army. If a man indulges in habits of diso bedience or habits of drunkenness, he is brought under that excellent discipline ; he is taught that when on duty ho must be sober ; that when on guard lie must be vigilant ; and that at all times he must be obedient. And thus the restless and unsettled young man rf 11 becomes at zo an excellent soldier. What he becomes, indeed, has been shown but very lately in that extraordinary account that we have had of the loss of the Birhenhead, when we saw men sacrificing their own lives that they might not risk the lives of women and children. Such is the soldier made by discipline. 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