The Express. — London, England, 1852-02-18 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TIIIISDAT, P. 17. The LORD ea aNCILLOa teak his Ma at An siCiaCk. THE OATH OP SUPREMACY. On our admission to the gallery we found their lordships' discessioe the teal import of the words us which the oathof supremacy is couched. The debate, it appear, originated in the Eon! of Clancarty having presented himself at the table to take the oaths. The noble earl was understood to object to that pert of the oath which state., that the Pope "bath no jurisdiction, power, or authority within this realm." The Lord Chancellor made an effort to persuade the Roble earl that the wassaiag of the oath was, that the Pope had ao legal jurisdiction, power, or authority,—but without effect ; and the noble earl eventually withdrew without hasiog taken the oath. 71111 IthCENT ItAGE:4_ IN TilE NOILTII OF IRELAND. The Earl of RODEN. in pursuance of previous notice, re= top= a question to the Marquis of Lansdowne with regard to the late outrages in the north of Ireland. He =aped that their lordships would pardon the ansiety whims be felt upon a matter which effected nut only himself but many that were sear sad dear to him in that part of the hilmidoru. The properity, security, and life of those par. ties dep. n.led a 'direly on the course which the government might think proper to pursue, under the circumstances =which he referred. Sin= he had lest addressed their lordships upon the subject be had ominously wasted for at =nate trona the north of Ireland which might have ena bled him te cougratulate their lordship* on a change for the bettor; but be was sorry to say that since the lamentable failure of the special commission at Mo naghan, the spirits of those engaged in the Ribbon con. apirace• bad revived. Many andante= threats, notices, and denunciation/ of death, hied been issued against some of the moat respectable and useful inhabitants of the north of Ireland. Ile had revel. ed very accurate information, which he was not at liberty to disclose, with respect to two most curliest men whose lives hail been dettalltlet . .l, who had received two notices; and who would assuredly, alter three w endues, entree the effects of that denunciation, no lon 111CLI , AMS wee: taken by the government fur their pre servateso, or unless the arm that alone could prevail, were rte.-Wier! forth for their defence. Ile had communi cated to those two indisieloals the circumstances in which they wire placed, and he trusted they would take ouch means as were best calculated to ensure the pre.. rvation of their lives. Since that period there had been a meeting of the magistrates of Louth. Dawn, and Armagh, at the county town or the Mee named county, and a resolution was adopted, front which it appeared that the agents of a secret conspiracy had overawed the people of thoe e 'unties by n suceessiou of murder.. attempts to murder, and burning of houses. The magistrates beeieved that the conspiracy had in view not merely surrarnut outrages but political and religious objects. The nohle earl concluded by moving for a return of the =unfree, &e., in the counties of Louth, Monaghan, Armagh, sad Down, from the Ist of January, 1549, to the Ist of January. 15.32. The Marquis ef LANSDOWNE, who was very indis tinctly heard in the gallery, was understood to say that he had no objectiou to the returns moved for. a Alter a beset onoversation, the returns were ordered. THE sILGE OF LAGOS. Viscount CANNING, e:eiug the noble Earl the Secre tary for Foreign Affairs in his place, wished to ask him if he i.,4 any objection to lay on the table any papers relative to the events which had taken place at Lagos . Earl ti ILAN VILLE would lay the information required OR the table at the earliest possible opportunity. The E rl of ELLENaottout3ll should like at the same time to know whether any order had been issued from the Admir.lty to the of on the coast of Africa not to fight on Chri.tinas-day ? (A loath.) Operations had been com menced two days before that day, and bad then been sus passed for 21 hours, to which delay he believed might be attributed :he lose of onedialf the men who hail been killed. COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR objected to the elan= em powering barristers to act without attorneys. If his noble sad le rued friend persisted in moving the dame he ob jected to, be should propose an amendment to it. Lord BROUGHAM said that in every court but the county courts a barrister could appear instructed by a *eat, without the intervention of en attorney. An at torney, at a public meeting at Freemasons Tavern, the other day, said that as the attorneys had sufficient power OM barrister., they would not employ them in other mat ters if they did not consent to diside the guinea with at torney. when they took briefs in county courts. One hun dred and they barristers, and among them many men of eminence, had signed a declaration on this subject, and he represented their interests on this occasion. A hundred others. awing them 7 Queen's Counsel, had expressed them salves in favour of this matter being lento the etignelle oldie profession ; but they objected to sign the declaration to that effect, b. cause they did not wish their names to be pub lished, for professional reunite. The Attorney-General had also expressed his concurrence in the prayer of the mem .rinl.4l, that they should be allowed to practise in the meaty courts as in other courts. Lord Denman was of the seas opiniors, and had written to him that morning urging him to persevere in the retention of the clause giving to larrietvri the privilege they claimed. And when he stated that of 80,000 mite commenced in 1849, 2,000 alone came to trial, verdict, and judgment, and that in the county marle, 6,011.1 cases • year were now tried, involving amounts from 1.11. to 504, he thought their lordships would epee with him that it was a enmity, in this state of the law brims', the profession should be euluded, as they now were, from the comty courts. (Hear, hear.) Lord CAMPBELL considered that the distinctions at peesest maintained between barristers and solicitors were of the highest importance to the due administration of jus tice, sad might not on any marmot to be interfered with. Be therefore should support the amendment of the noble lord es the woolsack. After some itionsion, The dome propcsed by the Lord C►ualor woe mined to, and doe bill wee nryerted to tbe /MUM. Theis lordships adios/sled at ►alt poet saves .•dock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TCLSDAT, Fn. 17. Tho Srahaut WA the 'heir shortly before 4 e'eterk. BUSINESS.. . . The Iselesseir:emsels7primmaire Bail ins bees& in sod email a lee Wien The liiikaft bills were Ned a.eoeai tha• eV sellessi to same wenmltsiree:—Barolley Om; Cork mil Draft Railway; Dailey Waterworks; OlesporeKihmemeit, aid Anima= Ralbrey ; Imperial Peet sad rend. may; Priem sad Osman/ Road; Itotharbim eel NW" Read; Steeltion Ragmen sal Impreremmiti Tees Dm. =1; York, Newcastle, sad Berwick E•Ele” (deria -I.shop Awkland Branch, te.) ; Tab, Illemsestle, and Berwick Railosy (deviation of flint ma MAIM Inas* le.)d TM men reeding of the Abilessepti Heibeer of Ra fog, sad Improvement sal wee peepeasi CHELTENHAM STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES BILL. Oa the motes tsr reading this ME • smseell Ink Mr. 0. BERKELEY moved se ea sematimat Gist On bib be pet of be se voniths. After a briefreammation, the amendemat was carried without a divines. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. MATIMOTII 0111.414T.—Yee diecoatiannee of, 13 ... L0rd C. MANNERS, from Leicester, and Barrow-an- ; Mr. BROTHERTON, from ‘adneadent disseaMm of Balked ; Mr. MOODY, from Cootie Cary. POST-110111IS ADD CAWAGa Don.—Pow el of, FO by Mr. m. Sem Berwick ; Lord D. STUART, from Mannheim; Ik W. CLAY, been Tower Hualets ; Mr. HODGSON, Bien peer Men of TIMANT Rim Des,—lly Mr. CORBALLY, from Moss in comity Meek la lbw's of. Tan Newmann' Seem Cemortow.—By Mr. OIL SON, from a Mr. Jobe Gesdeer, w Wistaseelt, the mete. ter of • ene.Wy p , eseptekelem dial having reiess• mewed Ms does the Sidi= of the Come of Isebeiser, bs bm base writes as by Me Board of Inland Romeo laksaise bin Gist sash mahatma= widest a Y Memel mks , these INIGea. cap. 9 (it was sew basest it wee pablhbed M the middle instead of the sang Mesa sass*), Ned preying whammed to pee gems stemes dearestenof N. law on the subject MOTICIAI OP MOTIONS. NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTY. _ _ Ks. x. tie - i - i;ritai t it, - ;iotioa for the for. _______ _ HOP DUTY. -- _ ___ Mr. FULLER, in the abeam* of Mr. PAZWIN, for the total repeal of bop duty this day fortnight. MILITIA BILL Lord PALMERSTON, or the report of the resolatiess of the onsiaittoo of the previous day, es the Noblest of the re-solobliAlaaan of a militia forte. le Rove the cads aka of the time dadlalag the loses or of a local character, with as 'new of =Wag it twee pastel, sad et devising ateraahis the mantel a war, of providing ter the &haus— age At Enema ..ly, but for all lowa el the Called IhidW. (Mar, hear.) ENDER TAX ON EXCURSION TRAINS. Ms. M. 82XMILR, was early day, fee copies se earn- TraliMhos= the railway companies and At Beard sh ade an NA subjeet. Mr. Sparaer's notice on Mayaesth, Mr. Hags Make ea eate lonian Isles, mad Mr. Spisaaer's oa the paalsbaisat abetted' olleaders, were respeelivaly penned Is Tar =MIL CRATIZITON ha r =dl . tha lieenha at War mien oresellswe on away sad real a reply, MssU, MAMILTON begged la adt the Presideat it anis& it he had - say objeatlea se lay ea the lobo a Mgr af as of the endows lobes bean tbe anninee by the Bend et T rade le intake isle the abeenesner alloseling the less et Us Amiss MS= Mr. trDOUCHERE said es repel awl evidence were Is the howls et the printer, awl wesid be hid es the table or osua is peowlele. Mr. T. MAUL& is reply to • punka pet by Bir H. Wllesibby. wWisr it use inlemoM le pre a :Fa the heiret the entire isegaldwe et Omens Alex te Mr. Massephees, hid 1128, re. eis et OMNI, shish bus repenaled is • newt walk et Mr. Kaye Is hese bees pain wad mew* saM Os neepainee whin had win ennobled le ANC • .1. 2 . 18111/dit e arz e te s te e lleeseire seg ix t e ta ssersele Irs;. -- is le Ih is i s = et the psviesnest is Mil. Mr Oahul and le It was aneinnit with weeks dimins. la 1842 On whoa bed . whoa Mr I. Mehhease nettled binellt Ind is relation lo it, and these was se benenies ~-'- ~ _ !I Imiimil THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 18, 1852. now to lay them despatches us ca w° before the public, end thereby revive questions which lag beam aistisn of history. , Mr. F. PEEL ( in reply to Mr. Aden.") maid It IMO Mt the intention of the irovernraeat to prams a bill to extend British jurisdiction in South Africa jelse Equator. THE CASE OF TEE HISH JER A . Admiral BOWLES mewl ipr esa : ' for copies of all reports received by the Demetof or the Com mander-in•ChieL stating dm her M.de.ty's ship Meetera a ft er hawk. oatarkel hew at Dover for the Cape of Good Hope. After some conversation between Mr. lioacuca, Ad miral BowLse, and Sir F. LIARINO, the motion was with , drawn. ERRORS IN THE RETURNS OF THE NEW REFORM BILL. Sir 0. GREY said, with referennt to saw questions which had been put to hint last night by several bun. mem bers for the metropolitan boroughs with referent° to the returus of the population of boroughs which had been loid before the house, he had made inquiry of the Registrar- General, mad found that there were some errors in the re turns for the City of Loudon, and the metropolitan boroughs. The mistakes had been made by a copying clerk who h.al only givict the male population. (Laughter.) SUBSTITUTES FOR TILE Mr. FOX MAULE stated in reply to Mr. M. Oibeen, that in the saw Militia Bill substitutes would be allowed under very eueeptismal eircumatiuteee only. Pith:SERVED MEATS FOR 'FITE NAVY. Colonel CIIATTERTON begged to ask the Fint Lord of the Ailmirdty if any other stores, containing Goldner's preserved meat■, besides those at Portsmouth, had been examined; and if so, to state when and where such exami nation took place, and the week, stating the number of eases examined, and the number found tlt and unlit for hums, food. Sir F. BARING had no objection to the return if the hon. and gallantgentleman moved for it, but was not at present prepared to give an mower. The hon. and gallant gentleman wu a member of a committee before which all thy returns would come. Colonel iillfrilZlON then mina for the return, and the motion was agreed to. SAVINGS BANK. Mr. If. HERBERT rose to snake the motion, of which he hod given notice in 1618, afterevery parliamentary expe dient for postponement and evasion had been adopted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he had obtained • committee of inquiry into the circumstances of the (satire of certain local savings banks. That committee, in consequence of its having been appointed at so late a period of the session, sat but a short time, and returned a very short report, which concluded by 'eying.. that the inquiry was commenced so late in the session, that they were unable to come to a satis factory conclusion, and recommended • further inquiry into the existing system of savings banks, and that a bill should be brought in regulating the duties and re sponsibility of the trustees and accountants." There 111.4 therefore • direct recommendation of the committee of 1818, implying that legislation was necessary. A bill was accordingly brought in by the Chancellor of the Ex chequer on the 29th of August, and it was easy to guess what would be the fate of a measure of importance brought in at such a time. It was consequently only poised in a modified shape, and related only to Ireland. In 1819 the hen. member for Dublin moved the reappointment of a committee, in compliance with the recommendation of the committee of 1818, but ho met with a direct refusal from the !forefoot, nt, and had not the house twice put them in alnanority on the subject, no inquiry would ever have been entered into. But in that session nothing was door. Ik fore the session of 1850, however, events occurred which induced the Chancellor of the Exchequer to give notice of the introduction of a bill. The introduction of the bill ffias fixed for a Tuesday; and when he (Mr. Herbert) inquired why • government bill was fixed for that day, the noble lord at the head of the government said that the sub• jest was so important that there should be no delay, there fore an exception was made to the gen:ral rule of not bring log in a government bill on • Tuesday. On account of the indisposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer the bill was postponed till the 29th of April, when • discussion took place, and although there were criticisms on the bill, yet no opposition was threatened except to particular portions of the bill, objection being especially taken to the reduction of interest. From that day to this, notwithstanding the decla ration of the government, and the recommendation of the committee, no measure had ever been brought in. The re port of a committee of 1850 stated that " it would be satisfactory if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would in troduce a bill relating to savings banks to regulate impor. tent defects in the law and to extend the responsibilities of the government with regard to depositors, and they urged legislation on the subject." This report was acceded to by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and yet no efforts had been made by the government to legislate on the subject. Having sketched at some length the history of saving banks and the legislation relating to them, Mr. Her bert went on to say there was a gentleman who rejoiced in the name of Tidd Pratt who was a very great pesos_ and who, they were told by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was nut a government officer but was appointed by an act of parliament for carrying oat ip provisions and settling disputes. It was mid that he was not a public officer, because he was paid by fees and not by a salary. In hie examination, he said he had an office at the National Debt Oaks, in the Old Jewry; that be was consulted by the oommissioseve and by the Chancellor of the Exchequer with regard to questions relating to savings banks, without receiving any remuneration; and when he was asked if he had ever heard of a professional man or • gesthuma set ia an office giving advice without being paid, bale " Ho did not know." Was that a_ proper answer = give ? Asd was it not an unworthy quibble to say that he was not a public officer. He had acted ea several emesiees in such a man ner u to entail lose not only on the dipositsra in savings banks, but on the country. la Ha there was a ageism deficiency in the Caffeemet illwdep Bask, Dublin, Me affairs of which were deemed in the lesse, and Mr. TIM Pratt meat over to make isigairy has the matter. It ap peared that for seveatua yeen - Mem had boss an laerwee. tag tisieleney, sod emy resennt at the llleneeel Debt OSee dewed it ; and elm the WA Mad Is 1110 the,. was • delleleasy ef 414,6114 and OM was the genereseme of the advise et bent pails Ahem and the ham wee oohed to post mlllis um= le weir the leholoaey. The savings beak of the mime} Mem of the esersty he Pratt. Ifselseeo repeates tai MA be MIS, end Mr. Tidd ra went war to settle its ash; sad Me /natter ended by his =••• award, whisk heed the creeps. from all re ty to the Muslim Mee 1814, when they were, ia fact, a rCi ar liable. That award was set aside, as , the jet e r izi ami n es, and the may mower the of die mild dot te mei that, was, tMt Me Ohl WM held on Ma judge sad as Irish jury. The me et the depedeem was mparedg is fr s Colusulo Lo b tts, st ie d , i la i r c al i r a ssil was:: Maid MY het in • ms, debate, when the hi= lnet Ulm phis sad he bed sot ablebed ary pentlealem. The Cheesier d lizeogoto Ibis odd Sat the meal vas met adds on IsehMeek puma and Ae lehmellity Is Oa =deem le whisk he Car. Sashes* new pea the moat ar ..e.enteediedes whleli Me sombly of the lime and be bed Ihrtherlghtlempsdemeseenidgemit. hem {edemas bon read as mired hem the data of Chief Arias Blackburn*, the =idea =proud being that the mad of Mr. Tidd Pratt fa the use of the Cum street Balk Dahlia, was Sepialhk was net the ad} ease. la • member of other sums Mls gentleman bed and in • way aselend} te injure the Inhosele d the }mesa de. positing money la these hadentlems. Be or ewe, as it ap peared te bin (Kr. lisehen), Kr. TIM Pratt had been raft, ef • Mesa et Odle* 4 Oat hew, em es my the bast; et • greet inf The home mead mmember that rare the Me ien n ef eden. Si Ilmildele Bonk • bank had failed at St. Han* as monk Mr. TIM Pratt was called spen ; and m Si of April, ISM be mu aid by • Kr. Cube le glee his *Wee refereme be the pow pdaty et naming anallim bank in St. Helen's. Mr. PratM armor me that • bill was than in the bands of die guars meat whisk was abent Immiliately to be introdued, Mw ems an hub wadi easily pus the as Se peoldene ef whisk moo such as to under wigs bunks is future perfestly safe for all *- MbrikAM, what wee mere than Mb, lb. leihrned upes the previliens ef the bill ; esk thou heeds foul. the whole Ueda. dthe bib were piddle new beim It Weems has. the Made if members, we has bees really intredusil by the admittion al the crows. Nom he (Mr. Herbeela MI set knew =Mho the bank reammonhd by Mr. Pm* bed scaly hoes hosted at St. HAWN. SW sum** het UM has. homed, sad that, in of se mask bib. Mat sehmil pby Kr. Poll= bun pens& theme had bees seed= Allure, It wee *dee Sias that the ilsgaireesumbilme had a very Mom mersl deem upon the govmmeM, whisk Mahon, had lei dem Iste the sdaddel. Mew Ism) The right hem loom eed, hemeor, last year, (Has, tb• inggeshiss am he suld he bold nopensiblo hr ti eat d me of Wr. Pratt, Well, Si., hew treeele te s_ t_ i_ ittfeet Whiled was be be p IPIA every desmi}den ef lime sad sneentesmiative=n es utterly ibis as= ? Ist Me beam anembie the dismal lim b o= savings bank Mares. (Rob= raesebre exam emed the names of the default/ft besin.) Is mom ef theme USK the tarries, who menses U biome as bensurable men, Mt who bed me des*. te seam =test, neglestedl Mei- nodes, bad maseendy mode geed the full ameant te Me i = Awaken. Nat Is ma= ether ef Moss moo thu was ampler, ; ssd S. =is MS= bed eameguestly Woe esmeleemid was essmene. Is eindedes, the hem siverkee .nod—That this he.. has observed with regret the em timed neglect of her Koloty's govt mmout to MS dish =nintredesings hr _the muted= of whip ig 'WI them hopoolmithemew Ile melded , to peewee their held In ihe emidesse of the Neatly, ' eel • du 01110111111081111111114 be thee =us Su sa n kilo* owl provideme ef the moking dams. The meths =vim hue seendeA wee read. The CHANCELLOR ef dee EXCHEQUER said hat his hem Mess had int:rinsed many euraseens tegla isle W ogeseb, which it meld net he ussessary te sem mat as Se felt it lie 401}, brew= te mho ha that pert 4 leeneueshie pollinun'e ow* is white be to w len ef Me }emend cheesier sad roaps46lllll 4 =c heat il Prom The annum* ef the bra. gentlemen Kr. TIM Poe* was net • mat eel= he =Km Ms gewoomont might * C . 1 1121 reependble. 114116 was set at Ms me. Kr. TIM Pratt was eggelneed miler es set of }adherent ; and, I therefore, amid net he remodel la • ovenuseat Mier. The boa.gsatismas had =Mem et Kr. TIM Putt as sem trolling and L-a eibeing with Se vlags banks in the Oahe& Kingdom. Bet the hit wee, that Kr. Tidd halal was may • mihne. He mid net Merin w an nail called sus Is *Ur the deride= et the treolese, he (Kr c, We *hued by beat end If net as eel= upon he bed se }meet thelever. Oineemeall}, Se bid wrier, lair mass 14 is - pit h e r leg. Tidd Pratt was not directed by the government in those men when he west dews as eibltester between disputing Withnod is Os Clais Bank proceedings CAT CLlll•44mil ROM is know the ken. ..ell . emhig ino ti s e t h4:• nedy w althat . M o r i g l i rbWin ISM I sins suet& advise, bawd spas repressatikst mit to wad savior had bus rouoesed ‘ ssrpordsi Oho vortereatmlowe aide WORD siered, the stiburquint WNW* would lan been 4•110.111 and that, Mamma as them repesseatadons turned out to he untrue, the Melee sissoctently sot bating beat fiellowed, Mr. Tidd butt osehl is no rears bo boil resisedlie der the results which took place. The has. mamma hail rehired to the judgment of the Court of • Queen's Bench In Ireland. Now, two or three years ago he (Sir C. Wood) had made a statement in reference to that judgment which at the time the hon. gentlemen had contradicted ; but be had now again to repeat that state ment. When he bad first made the statement that the de cision in question was given on • point of form, and not on the merits, he had not been in possession of the charge it self: but he had now seen it; and he would undertake to say that if the hon. gentleman would consult any legal gen tlemen on the subject they would fully corroborate his (Sir C. Wood's) Impression, namely, that that part of the charge referred to was en opinion only, tendered by the 4udge, but not offered for the purpose of obtaining . • particular ver dict, the het being that the verdict was given on • technical ground, the requisite notice not having been minted in time at the proper place. But these were accessory topics not affecting the real point raised by the hnn. gentleman. The hon. gentleman desired to see • remedy applied to the de• festive state of the law relating to sayings banks, and the hon. gentleman threw great blame on him (Sir Wood) for not having already applied the remedy. Now the his tory of the matter was a plain one. The hon. gentleman first censured the government fur not having at once intro duced • bill in 1848 in conformity with the recommenda tions of the committee of that year. But the fact was, that the report of the committee was laid on the table of the home on the 24th of Aug.mt, 1848, and that the bill of the government was introduced ou the 25th August, 1818. Obviously there was, in this instance, nu delay whatever. That bill would have applied some re medy, though no doubt an imperfect remedy ; and the hon. gentleman would be good enough to remember that , it was the strong opposition of tho house which had com pelled the government, originally proposing its operation to the United Kingdom, to confine its application to Ire land. He was quite willing to extend the responsibility of the government; bat it was out of the question that a responsibility could be accepted so long u the government was refused the necessary cheek upon the managing parties. He begged that the house would not suppose that he had been at all neglectful of the interests of savings banks. The matter had been continuously and ade quately attended to. A new comptroller of the National Debt-office had been appointed; and that gentleman had been assiduously bccupicd hi looking into the question. ' The result of the inquiries mado was, that immense addi tional information had been obtained, and that the govern ment was consTquently in a much better position than before to frame a proper and efficient bill on this subject. The former bill had, therefore, been considerably modified. No doubt, this new information having been obtained, he might have given notice even before this that he would bring in a bill this session. list in respect to such • bill as this his opinion was that it was extremely desirable that every opportunity should be seised of communicating with hon. gentlemen interested and well informed on the sub ject; and he had, consequently, preferred waiting till hon. gentlemen should have come up to town to communicating with them, by specially summoningg . them, or by entering into a correspondence with them. To • certain extent, this communication had taken place since the commencement of the session ; and, in conformity with some suggestions, he had made further alterations in the bill which he had now to intimate it was his intention to introduce at en early period. On the whole, he did not admit that practically any time had been lost on this ques tion ; and, at least, he was satisfied that the delay, by ori ginating improvements and amendments, would have the effect of considerably increasing the chances of the passing of a satisfactory measure. At the same time, he felt culled upon to express his strong conviction that much disappoint ment must ensue to those who believed that legislation could do everything in this matter. With regard to the motion of the hon. gentleman, be did not know in what way to meet it. If it was proposed as a vote of censure, he could only say that he did not think he deserved it, and he could not re gard it as meaning anything else. In conclusion, he had only to repeat that ho was as anxious as any man in the house to see effective legislation on this subject ; and it was his opinion that he bad, after all, best consulted its impor tance by proceeding cautiously to deal with it. Mr. REYNOLDS asked, if the Chancellor of the Exche quer really believed that no responsibility rested on the go 'eminent, what was his justification in proposing a vote of 30,0001. to pay 10s. in the pound to the Cuffe.street depo sitors ? Let the government take the management on themselves, and be responsible. He condemned the pro ceedings of the government in relation to this question, which, he said, deeply affected the interests of persons not represented in that house, who had no security for their deposits. lie, however, advised Mr. Herbert to be satisfied with the pledge of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and not press his motion. Mr. P. BCROPE was gratified by the promise of the Chancellor that legislation would be attempted. After a few words from Mr. 8. CILAWFOILD and Mr. H. Oaxerag, Mr. DISRAELI suggested that, as the government had undertaken to bring in • bill on the subject, the motion should be withdrawn, which was done. Mr. BLANEY moved for a standing committee, or un paid commission, to consider, suggest,and report from time to time, measures to remove legal and other obstacles which im pede the investments and industry of the humbler daises. There was the greatest necessity at this particular time that all obstacles is the way of smal l investments should be re moved. The first public work in which the middle classes had an opportunity of making investments was the Duke of Bridgewater's renal ; then came the railroads, in which in 30 years upwards of 30 millions had been invested ; and the railroads were now nearly a ll made. At present in vestments were wanted for no len than 76 millions a year,and in proportion to the facility of making these investments would be the frugality and industry of the people. The main diMndty that arose was the state of the partnership law, by which no man could join a concern with out Wag liable to the whole extent of his pro amrty; end, supposing awe wee any difference mog the partners there was no seedy bet to go to • plain be hardly dare menu—the Onert of Chan cery, whisk uslimited was tantamount le • amid ef Justice. The law ef liability might week well is smas but be wished le bans a reMielkm pet upset that ' ll:My wader mink eireemessees. Amine marmeilutpediments eamisteil is the end burdensome legal forms in cident te the sir aimless ef limbed 1111/01 1 / 1 . • third wee the aligatise epee Ceti.sallee meledes, le ems of dispels, te mewl le the of Chummy, boned We • sheep and mpalitime Whim& Mr. limey healed We suggestions he the reineval et these shammies by argument and authority, urging Mat by &alintn the kvamearnts of the savings of the pewee classes the biOdomme would materially asetellinte le the esserity of the seam Mr. Ewa= medal the steam Mr. LABOUCHZILI esesplimewled Wm Blaney upm the hog, paha% sad persevering attention which he had paid Mille tad be every other subject width had for its olpset the eimedea ef the working dams. Modena could be mere lespemend thee le *Mr k that den of our Mime commoymes the spirit efitereart and fragility; sad M minim men impediment that ht lie in the way of the safe lemelmeet of Mai esseimp. But he (the right hie. geadomma) doubled whether it wee the duty of the gems meat er of the hgbisture le emennips that meet M mime% of • spendative, mod by, seaseptemes, it a mess elegy WHOM oberestem (H bar.) It was, them hem with the meet donee desks ear, to perste their real Ji mmie that he •nalered le super • doubt es to some of the seatimeen whisk Ms lam. hind had put forward epee this mildest. He deem* that the alisrlai which had Pa takesrelative te the male. beaks would mast ellset the 'limb which be bee. Mel bed in vi7 " ;..7lie Menden efgemoumeet end pediment meld ma be Messed te mg awe impartiot pa eldest, 'shad he biped that sensiewad. tub mid mare in _m ealSO the at of peariessi, dm Ist Mimed tha t t re. no rilirboa Mid 1/1=61.4..e (Hear, hear.) dnisad that di tending of the humbler limn sisuid be semeeed, mem so far as it might be theigla desirable to Mak them for the pews ms to ththa ef dim& Meerlea of beer.) He Gadd ash however, sea e = his km bind, %mese be the last • stan see • ass w& would be of the slightest ding seevicee semmittee . He wen, howfemal e. ever, in a somillion te Mae that it wee the inteellem Si the go wintmest M imse • seemsheisa serefolly se madder the whale law of mammal,. (Chem.) He wee ef spites that, eensiderhig the pest shingss whisk bad tam plan I. the lanallefea Si Ibe seastry sad of the world; sad emethwing the enemies affront of capital in this meshy I it wee deekelis that the law should be seljened to the 'trines& sereelay with a view to its imperemeet. (Heat.) At the emu time with regard to the pent poetise of whether this eseatry should aban don that pesibresse te she pledpie if emlimited liability whisk it bed dump thew% mid nese% to the law, which, he met WWI; aim peeridly eittiteed swept the other naiams ef the would, be wool that We *aims wee averse to see a amdsmesiel tinge la our system which he edy eight to be altered with the greatest cinnam on/I alit dee meet deliberate Investigation. hem Mead had complained that the three =sees wkielt hid impeded the investmen is of the dame were bet the law of pertnershis: u iw a ltich hahedjun bees aliwillog, and whisk he (Mr. ) said d epsestod yeeptadely ipso the sumations Hens erbieh led hem set ea lest so sebum is white they might Id& New, with .sped M dims weeklies men's means time an erepenithe wands, be Oh. eight hes. gentle man) meld awe the hiesialat be bed set bees unobser vant sl what was taking pieta Ns tight set have say very magelas hope of ohs nem of sash Imillattiems. but be was modem to haw 1M eke was desamus of osommilmi the pies off the wielt the wages of labour, rejoin pound of we guise ready to ellen that the Joint Oempenies inter poee sa ebeerde thei r end MEd as ao be beilersd, en tirely saisteadsil. If a tepid et *et is der is related in Ws mellor, hese Awaits/ Me w M eleseld yeebeley hem ha k hb duty te popes it to the hems Ni he boa that It weal* has bees ssemesry to ■haveann. esseli Issther, and to have slid to, werel hdw law elperatembipla their devesaThettesuld is opens' main id the gemniumwt sash same, ma eat be hid heillited is pas Ifs trusted, believer, that the mob it the handed maraelh ion would be to pat tbs Ina via • saved aid impend basis. (Hew ! hear.) His hon. friend's second complaint Was the great. expense of obtaining the charters of limited liability which the Board of Trade was empowered to give. That expense, he admitted, was greater thea he could wish; and last session he had introduced a measure which he believed had reduced it about one-fourth. He had hoped that it would have diminished the cost of the charters still more t and he should be glad to avail himself of any opportunity to OR ct a yet further reduction. (Hear, hear.) The third grievance was the difficulties that existed in the way of investing the savings of the humbler classes in land. Now, a desire for the acquisition of land wu es natural in the poorest as in the richest; and he rejoiced to think that the measures of last year would contribute greatly to the facility with which land might be acquired. (Hear, hear.) Persons who lived in parts of the country where land was accessible to the humbler OMR% could bear testimony to the avidity with which it was sought by them ; end ho should be glad to encourage that feeling because he was persuaded that it would contribute to their happiness and self-respect to peewee a portion of the soil of the country. (Cheers.) He believed the present Joint-stock Companies Act required alteration. It was in tended for a usetul purpose, and had done a great deal of good ; but any lawyer that had looked through it would say that it was a very cumbrous measure. A thorough revision of it was therefore very desirable, and that was one of the results which might be expected from the labium of the commission. (Rear, hear.) With regard to the law of partnership itself, ho trusted that its general principles would not be disturbed, because ho considered that they were sound ; but he truced that many great Improvements would be grafted upon it. (Cheers.) Mr. MOFFAT expressed satisfaction that ministers were about to appoint a commission on the law of partnership. Mr. HEADLAM considered the present law of partner ship most defective, both in regard to the partners them- Bele. a and the public. The principle of unlimited liability was not so interwoven with our institutions as the President of the Board of Trade seemed to suppose; limited liability existed already iu our railroad and many other joint•steek companies. He was glad to hear that a commission was about to issue on the subject. Mr. J. A. SMITH believed the working classes thought less of the amount of interest they ottained for the savings than of security for them. Ile therefore did not concur in the recommendation to abolish unlimited liability in order to encourage the employment of those savings in speculative investments. It would be, however, desirable to establish some ready means of settling partnership disputes. Mr. COBDEN had not been able to dieciver why we shoal be an exception to the commercial world generally in regard to limited liability, nor why there should be one rule fur large joint-stock companies like railway companies and nuother fur small CODCCIIIN . With regard to the work ing classes, he believed they got far I irger profits, in the shape of wages, by working for and under the manage. ment of a master, than they would obtain if they united their labour together ut their own risk ; but he would give them every facility fur sluing so, if they chose, in order to remove that which was now considered a grievance by them. Limited liability would tend to diffuse capital, and attract it from the hands of the wealthy to those who could employ it Olifitably. It would be quite sufficient se curity if it were required that the parties to such a combi nation of capital and skill were required, as was the case in souse parts of the Continent s to advertise their names. Mr. SOTHERON thought what was most wanted was a ready means of adjusting partnership disputes. fin was favourable to the removal of thsae restrictions which operated against couperstive societies, which he thought should be legislated fur on the principle of friendly societies. Mr. EWART was gratified that the government hail promiseil an investigation of tho question, which would never be satisfactorily settled until capital and enterprise should bo perfectly tree. Mr. T. BARING opposed Mr. Cobilen's arguments, and taunted him with having attended public meetings where he had endeavoured to fetter the employment of capital, by actually pmserihing its investment in certain directions. The law of limited capital might suit other nations, yet not suit England. Ile disapproved of private partnerships, as calculated to make the secret partner careless of character, as he believed that the risk of character and of capital should go together. In the present state of business in this country, he did not believe any fresh stimulus to enterprise was required. Mr. TRELAWNY pointed to the advantageous working of the limited liability system in Cornwall. But he warned the house to beware of encouraging aocialbtic views (among which he ranked protectionist doctrines) and of leading the working chases into errors which they would repent afterwards. Mr. SLANEY briefly replied, and withdrew his motion. DUTY ON CARRIAGES. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from tho coach , makers of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, complaining of the unjust and unequal tax on carriages. Sir DE L EVANS said be rose to ask leave to bring in a bill for reducing the duty on carriages. The present duty was most uncertain and arbitrary it was collected under a variety of acts, by which carriages of various descriptions were divided into 16 classes. These he proposed to reduce to three, on which three different duties would be levied, namely, 31. on all tour-wheeled carriages drawn by two or more hones 21. on all four-wheeled carriages drawn by one horse ; and IL on all two-wheeled carriages. At pre sent the tax was most oppressive. He had been pressed to bring forward this motion by the coachmaken of the metro polis, the greater number of whom happened to reside within the city he represented. Owing to the oppressive nature of the duty on carriages let to hare, the number so let was remarkably small. Though there were perhaps 1,000 coaehmakers in the kingdom, the aggregate number of carriages let in 11460 was only 607, and last year only 461. The amount produced by this branch of the duty in those two years was 3,0411. and 2,7601., which deducting the expellee of assessment sad collection would probably_ not amount to 1,5001. nett. The tax was at the rate of 61. per carriage for the year. The average period of letting the carriages was only for three mouths in the year ; and if they were even let but for a single day, still the whole of the 61. most be paid. Under such a sys tem, no wonder that the trade was almost entirely de stroyed, For the last 13 years the produce of the tax, which was in reality paid by the consumers, and not by the coachmaken, had fallen off at the rate of about 10,0001. in seek year, notwithstanding the vast increase of the popula tion and general commercial prosperity. Carriages wore the only produce of manufacture in this country, with the exception of hair powder, that paid an annual tax. On the question being put, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he regretted that he could not agree to the motion of his hon. and gallant friend. He admitted that the case had been fairly stated, and that there was a good deal of what was unsatisfactory in the present state of the law. (Hear, ' hear.) Of the ma .y parties who had interviews with him, making for exemptions from particular duties, he must say that none stated their ease more fairly or more clearly than the coach proprietors. Whenever parties asked for an exemption from taxation, and when he, in reply, objected, on account of the loss which the revenue would sustain, he was "generally told that he knew nothing about the matter. (A laugh.) Thus when he estimated the probable loss to the revenue from the reduction of the stamp duties at 600,0001., he was told that he greatly exaggerated the amount, and that the bas would rot be half that sum. He therefore desired that an account be kept of the loss on the first complete year. That account was accordingly prepared, and it appeared hem it that the loss was 497,0001. (Hear, hear.) Of mans it would not be always possible to asks so very somata an estimate, but it showed that the officers of the revenue had greater facilitiesof arriving at a correct opinion than others. (Hear, hear.) lie agreed that it was desir able to make some alteration in the mode in which this tax was imposed. But this could only be effected in one of two ways—either by submitting to a loss of revenue, or to extend the tax to carriages which were at resent exempt from the tee. If the latter course were adepts& be believed it would greatly increue the oppeithe Is the niesaure of his boa friend ; for when be premed to knew ham the gentleness who acted as the peleelaalszarterwohlattrieepueseliveblek wa thee, ited upon him oat gene ral sequisseense to the proposition of linpesing a duty of D. on te=a u t z preeent exempt from the deny, he could get se M is UMMA es the let He mien heal that e revenue would km WOOL if the prepaid= of his honourable mad collard friend wife agreed to, and with the present financial prospects, and the uncertainty of the charge on account of the still existing war in South Africa, be doubted whether ho could afford to lose any sum whatever in the way of a remission of taxation. He hoped, therefore, the house would support him in resisting the motion of his hen. and gallant friend. (Hear, hear.) The motion was supported by Sir 0. Fiche% Mr. Ag lal Kr. W. Williams, and opposed by Sir G. Strickland, Sir J. Walmesley, Mr. Ellis, and Mr. 0. Thompson. The house then divided— For the motion 2-I Against it DUTY ON STAMP RECEIPTS.. __ Mr. the Ziisbra a this house, the presets' stews lempomed apostle:elms shad, be abolished." The boa. member used he had lamed that the Chancellor of the Insbeivier wield Mewl( propose the re mission of the tax ea meal" the more so se the redactions which he had previously earth& cut in the stamp duties had proved a materiel relief to this anuttry, and therm was every nisei to believe dad the immediate lam would NOM be supplied. bedewed Net chic patiroakr tax was open to more ladled *makes them de m* my ether that could be mensi. The wont se all *As in a tax was its being huh, to continual maim, end there was no tax whist was mare constantly Wag evaded that this air. Payments are frequently acknowledged le • esenseendera is whisk we tem was paid. Whomever that was ass a herd wee unedited mom the revenue, and the palm Implisetei woes Sable to heavy penalties, bat the miens of sielity bed so milehliehed the practice thst in an bums amber ef inter= the malty was avoided. Every sew sad thee ems melhstesees person war um- Omitted cite the meembeleasse, sad this perm had to pay the porky, the* he we met mere guilty this hundreds of others. Now of a 0 the evils to whisk a tar could be mimed this, be melatalnad, was the went; and in saying that be wee bents out by very high authority. Willa the lets Wm lishart Peel prepseed the repeal of the meths ditty, be we se Ws reuse hr doing se the dirt of easainnt amiss. (Wr. Hewn= sweld remesly °elm ef r z ie llefloOS WSS MIS sem sir a rhe of mod* the tax oat reseinta. In erappert of this view he might mouths the het of the small smart of duty willed lie tat podased. Notwithetemlies the Feat Mamie whialt was andimaell s y Mk* pima i• the umber of parows% i trere was pesitive emiaen die meant received. total aassent predated la 11114 was 111147601. 180, 1850:071. ; it 1110 the eameat all rim es 153,7681. la 1823 the net produce of the tax was 185,0001. There could be no doubt that sines that period there had been • great biomes. of population, and consequently in the number of payments which were continually taking place; and, therefore, the falling off was attributable solely to the fact that evasions had been more and more practised. Nut only, however, was the tax objectionable on the ground of evasion, but on account of the impure mo tives which actuated those who gave information to the commissioners of revenue of violations of the law ; and he knew of no more odioas form of taxation than one which led to such consequences. Amongst his own constituency it had not unfrequently happened that persons who were about to become insolvent, or who were in difficulties, bad threatened to give in formation to the commissioners, in order to escape the just payment of their debts. Ile had before him a letter which presented a fair sample of the mode in which this species of extortion was carried out. The writer, after oh serving that necessity made men detterste, info rmed the party addressed that he had nix unstamped receipts of his, which, if they fell into the hands of the commissioners of stamps and taxes, would lead to the imposition of a penalty, mid he requested that money might he sent to him by post, to avoid this result. A similar letter was sent to several persons, and was made the instrument ' of extorting money. This instance was not soli tary ; he knew of a variety of cases lof the same descrip tion, and nothing could tend more to render a tax unpopular throughout the country.. In the City of London enormous sums of money were transferred from heed to hand, in a manner implying the greatest degree of confidence between the parties ; and ono great cause of evasion was that the demand of receipts would operate most prejudicially to per sons engaged in business. This was nothing new. In the year 1828, the right hon. gentleman, the member for the University of Cambridge, then C h ince Mr of tiie Exchequer, observed that the practice, with regard to receipts, was made a test of confidence. Ile (Mr. Headlam) held in his hand a memorial from the Chamber of Commerce, at Liverpool, in which it was observed that it was a sound guiding prin ciple in legislation, that duties to which the public had long continued to show a strong repugnance, and which were' coustantly being evaded, should be formally abrogated.• It appeared that from 1828 down to that day, the penalties hail been enforced in consequence of in.ormation given by informers. He had obtained a return of the amount pro duced by threepenny receipt stamps, end he found that in the year 1848.9, although only 19,0001. was reel iced, there ' were no less than 119 prosecutions. He should not, how ever, have insisted so strongly on these points, were he not able to suggest a mode by which the Chancellor of the Exchequer might raise an equal amount of revenue, not only without injury, but with positive benefit to the public. The house was aware of the practice which pre vailed in London of paying bills by moans of crossed cheques. Whenever that wss dune there was an evasion of the law, and Mr. Boon Parke had by a recent judgment thrown great doubt on the legality of the whole proceeding. What could bo easier than for the Chancellor of the Exchequer to give validity to a practice which had been found so be.ie ficial by imposing a stamp of a penny. The house was also aware that the drawing of a cheque within twenty miles of London upon a London banker exposed the party toe penalty of S o l . lie would suggest that in order to give validity to tho practice, there should be a stamp of a penny or two-pence. These were two modes by which the amount he proposed to have remitted might be secured : and, having stated the evils of stamp receipts, and proposed a substitute, he trusted the house would agree to his motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was very much afraid that if he were to assent to the repeal of this tax on the grounds which had been stated, he would soon have but few taxes left. They had long beard that certain taxes pressed hard on particular interests, inter fered with some process of manufacture, or di minished consumption, but almost the sole ground on which his hon. friend had proposed the repeal of this tax was, that people did not like to pay it. (Laughter.) The house had very recently negatived the motion of the hoe. member for Westminster with respect to the duty on car riages, and that motion was based, like the present one, on the practice of evasion. Ile did not understand how the enforcing a receipt could be a reflection on any mun's inte grity. The only objection that he could KT mu the objec tion to the payment of the tax. Looking over the list of taxes, he did not think this was one of those which had the first claim to repeal ; and the tendency of such demands as the present ono was to compel the government to have re course to indirect taxation. lie confessed lie did not much pity persons who incurred hardships by the evasion of the law ; they had it in their powcrto protect themselves. (Hear.) lie did not think that a grievance which could be got rid of so cheaply i ; all that they had to do was to comply with the law, and then they might set all the informers n the world at defiance. Those, however, were the only grounds on which the hon. and learned gentlemen lied moved fur the reduction of the tax. He hardly thought the complaints made against it were universal, fur the only complaints which had come undo r his notice proceeded from the imme diate neighbourhood of the borough represented by the hon. land learned gentleman and from the Society of Friends. Looking at the working of this tax, and at the general scope of taxation, he thought that 120,0001. or 150,0001. a year might be much better applied to the remission or abolition of other taxes than the stamp tax. The hon. and learned gentleman had suggested the imposition of a small Hemp on crossed cheques, and had expressed the opinion that a large revenue might be derived from that source. lie (Sir C. Wood) could not agree with the hon. and learned gentleman. He could not see bow a revenue could be de rived from the stamps to be imposed on crossed cheques, when the public, as the hon. and learned gentleman said, evaded the payment of the stamp on receipts. He had not yet heard Env suggestion likely to act on the consciences of the public, and induce them to stamp any document ; and he was afraid if he gave up the revenue derived from the stamps on receipts, and relied on that to be derived from the small stamp on crossed cheques now pro, he should find the public just as unwilling to pay it ; w and hon. gentlemen in that house therefore, like the bon. and learned member for Newcastle on the present occasion, moving for its reduction or abolition. (Hear.) Ile must therefore oppose the motion, and he trusted that the house, as it had done once before in the course of tho evening, would negative the proposition. Mr. AGLIONEY accused Sir C. Wood of pursuing a fallacy in treating this as a proposition to remit taxation, whereas it was to improve the revenue, by substituting a stamp which people would pay for one they evaded. Mr. BROI HERTON thought that a uniform penny stamp would be more popular as well as productive. The house then divided, the numbers being : Ayes 2B Noes MAIL CONTRACTS (AUSTRALIA). Mr. FRENCH moved for copies of the contract entered into with Mr. Walton for the carriage of the mails to Australia; and of the contract for the carriage of the mails to the West Indies and the Brazils, and of the tender made by the Hest India Company for the performance of these services. He found upon inquiry that the contract had not been completed by the Admiralty, having been made con ditional on Mr. Walton gettieg a company together. No security had been taken by the Admiralty. 'The recom mendations of the committee of last session had been dis regarded; for the Admiralty intended to run only a mail once every two months from India to Australia, instead of from the Cape—the most suitable route fur emigrants. Other offers had been made to the Admiralty, by companies possessed of funds and vessels, but that made by Mr. Wal ton had been accepted, whose company was yet unformed, and who was very unlikely to complete his arrangements by the 3rd of April, when the mail service was to begin. If the Admiralty entered into this, they should have ewer tained whether there was a provision of coal, for he believed if any vessels began the voyage on 3rd April, they must stop at the Cape for want of coal. It would appear by the papers he moved for that 200,0001. • year of the public money had been unnecessarily spent on the West India Steam Packet Company, for the last 20 . years. With re gard to the West India and Brasil service, he understood that an offer had been made to perform for 80,0001. a year, that which now cost2oo,oool. Mr. COWPER thought if the hon. gentleman knew more of the subject, he would not have made the statements he had. In the first place be had spoken of a conditional contract with Mr. Walton ; but the fact was, the tender had been accepted some time ago, and the articles of agreement framed ; but they had nut been agreed ; the contract, therefore, was not legally exe cuted, but when it was the Admiralty would produce it. As to the statement that there was no company in existence, the fact was the company had applied for their charter to the Board of Trade, which was ready to grant it, and was at least provisionally registered, and they had bought two screw vessel, of greet speed. As to the offer to perform for 80,0001. a year a service which now cost 240,0001., he (Mr. Cowper) had never heard of it, and when the returns were granted it would be found to be a mistake. With regard to the contract for the Australian mails, the Admiralty had accepted the lowest tender, and given every facility fur the execution of the contract. The motion was then agreed to. _ _ THE MEGIERA. Sir T. BARING, i;th;ab;;;CWof Admiral Bowles, moved for the reports relating to the condition of the Megora which the bon. and gallant admiral had moved for early in tha evening and then withdrawn. 'POPULATION OF BOROUGHS. Lord D. STUART moved an eddrese for return, in columns, showing—l. The names of the boroughs enu merated in the second column of Schedule B in the Par liamentary Representation Bill. 2. The number of houses rated to the relief of the poor at and above 51. in each of such boroughs. 3. The population of such boroughs at the last census. 4. "The names of towns to be added to boroughs," as given in the third column of the same schedule. 6. The number of houses rated to the relief of the poor at and above 51. in each of such towns, exclusive of such places as are proposed to be excluded in the fourth column of the same schedule. 6. The popula tions of such towns, exclusive of the places proposed to be excluded. 7. The tutal number of houses rated at W. and upwards in each borough and town, or part of town, pro- I ported to be added. 8. Total population of such borough and town, or part of town, proposed to be added. 9. The number of members to verve for each of said boroughs. Also, I. The names of the boroughs not enumerated in Schedule B. 2. The number of houses rated to the relief of the poor at and above 61. in each of such boroughs. 3. The population of such boroughs by the last census. 4. The number of members to serve for each of such bo mush.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there was no objection to rive the information required by his noble friend, but he hoped he would nut press his motion In its prevent shape. A portion of the information would be given in returns moved for by his right hon. friend the Home Secretary. He hoped his noble friend would not toots for what would only bo duplicate returns. Sir B. HALL said his noble friend did not wish for du plicate returns ; but the map moved for ny the Mei mim. bar for Manchester would only show the relation b to boroughs by the places that were to be incorporated with them. Whereas what his noble friend wanted to koo, o try what was the number of s'. householders in the ditlbrent aggregation of boroughs. Sir U. OItHY said his lion friend was under a misap prehension with regard to the information which would be laid on the table at the request of the hon. 'needier for Manchester, u the mop not wily couteined the relative distances of the pieces to be added to boroughs, but the whole of the information now sought tor, so i s , it was in the possession of the gm runient, with regard to the se. usaes.nneut ; but it was impos sible to afford that information with accuracy now because the boundaries were not yet fixed. It would be better for the noble lord to wait a few day. to see what in formation was given, and if he required an}thing turtlrc he could move tor it. .„. Lord D. Sift; Aftl agreed to wait fora few days, but if the information he required were not supplied, his rigid hon. friend must pardon him if he again made a motion an the subject. The motion was then withdrawn. PARLIAMENTARY ItEFORII DILL (IRELAND). 'lids bill Willi brought in, read a first time, una eared to be crud a second tune on Friday, 27th. I'ARLIAMENTAItY REFOItAI (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was brought in, read s flirt time , a n d onlrred tY be read a @mond time on Friday, 27th. Tltl LAW OE EVIDENCE (SCOTLAND) LILL. This bill was brought in and read a first time, and The house adjourned at 11 o'clock. BUSINESS OF THE ROUSE OF COINIONS. (Tms DAY.) ORDERS OF TIIE DAY. 81COND nISADINIM.—COUnty ltd.., publi c (beadiad), Eafnuachiscutent Cup)601.1,, Cow l Rates mad Expetlitskr ]lilts. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. WODEllol:6ll—ln%truction to s, het r ornmitti, i n . come tat, to take into their consideration the art :e4 e. 60, by which the Lout Tat Act was tn,ulc per. petuel. Sir J. PAIL INGIToN —Committee to inquire into th • pre sent system of punishing juveuile criminals in tlii. Mr M. to enable local dis•riet, in Ei.iel„,;,l and Wales to establish free schools tor smut sr lawn:eh ~.11 fib, TO COILIIKSPOS OtNT.i. t 'wood Mice • f Ibe I %prom," ecabor..ta A r arena r , rl. G.wite," ie pabl!.hed tTlay tcnu as I r't •11,' kg POOL CP. moats latetaletl tor ' • The F.1,,r0'r.,' • Loo•loa • brat am. Umnq Iv , taurtine.atroet, ay Two ticluci. en NI day of pubacatfou. WA3 Kit ,t'l• BRIDGE nue Zlta. To-moaasur—Alorams. LONDON, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY M. YEsTERDAY we warned the country that the pica for a local conscription was only preliminary to a re. vival of the old general militia spieni, and b. farceur paper had been many hours in circulation, Lord PAL. sitaisTirs rose in his place in the House of Coiarnicis to give notice that he should move the omission of the word" local" from the militia proposition of the Price Minister—thus justifyin., our anticipations b e f ore , the ink that conveyed th em' to the public was well dry. The ex-Foreign Secretary is just the mm to enter warmly into such a question, and as it is likely to give rise to very interesting parlia men t ary dis cussions, and to lead to highly important national m oults, let us inquire into the nature of the force Lord PALMIALSIoN would have LLD revive. The laws by which the regularmilitia is consti tuted have been patched and altered so frequently that we can only be guided to a judgment upon that body by the character it assumed (Junin; the last war. It was then looked upon as a defensive force, to be valuable in case of actual invasion, but it only dif fered from the line in this respect, that it vrasiriot to be liable to service abroad, and that it was to he re cruited through the medium of the ballot, instead of by bounty. But the recruiting by ballot was far from being effective, for government being obliged to take cognizance of the injury which would be inflicted upon society by such a rule being strictly enforced, allowed those who had been drawn by ballot to find substitutes. This caused the establishment of clubs, and to a competition between these clubs and the govern ments as to who should get most recruits. The clubs were insurance offices, to which every man who paid a certain sum was entitled to look for a substitute if he should be drawn, and the government and the clubs bid against the other for men—the autho rities requiring large numbers of recruits, to fill the constant vacancies caused by a long and sanguinary war. The consequence was that enormous bounties had to be given, and many of those who enlisted even received bounties twice ;—first of all, becoming substitutes, they received a bounty from the clubs; and, after having entered the militia, they obtained a second bounty for enlisting into the line --a system of recruiting equally costly both to the public and the executive. In fact, the militia was, and can be, nothing more or less than an expensive nursery for the line, and even at its high price, a bad nursery, for a recruit joining his regiment, quickly becomes accustomed to the system carried on, whilst a recruit from the militia,—taneving himself really a soldier,—finds he has first all his militia manners to unlearn, and then to get used to the strict discipline of the line. This evil in old timer, arose front the militia being generally quartered in large towns, and billeted on innkeepers, so that the men could not be kept under the eye of the officer. Such was and always will be the unavoidable evil, each time the regular militia is embodied. It was seriously divested of interior economy and real discipline or subordi nation, without which qualities soldiers, whether they be of the line or of the militia, are comparatively useless, if not dangerous. The regular militia was therefore of but little use, except as giving a large number of home regi ments without having to pay the bounty money for them, and when this militia numbered some hundreds of thousands, and bounties ran high, this was re garded as a considerable saving ; but whether it would not have been better to add temporarily to the line is a question which admits of discussion. The eco nomy of militia to the nation is also very doubtful, and it may be suggested that paying extra sums towards the treasury might not be so great a bur den as to pay ten, twenty, thirty, or forty guineas for a substitute. Then as to its efficiency, it was found in practice that evety man who was a soldier in heart volunteered into theline,—those left in the militia being, in a military sense, only the worst men. This alone prevented the militia officers from taking much pride in their men or regi ment; for government countenanced the system of desertion, as it might be termed, in every possible way. Recruiting sergeants from lino regiments made the taverns around the militia billets riotous with drunken recruits, and every militia man having the prospect open to him of going into the line cared little for what acts of insubordination he had com mitted, as by volunteering he freed himself from Pu nishment. Ihe Duke of WELLINGTON, writing to BATIIUItST, in 1813, quotes the example of one mili tia regiment which he had himself commanded, and states :—" I found that regiment to be so entirely divested of interior economy and real discipline and subordination, that, however well the soldiers may be disciplined as far as regards their exercise and movements, yet a large militia army would be useful in the field for little more than a momentary exertion." The interior economy of a line regiment now-a days is carried to such perfection that it would lie impossible to keep up a militia regiment at less es:- penile than an equal number of regulars—a sub ject worthy of consideration. Rut another great change has occurred since the last war. t , oldiers used to enlist for life, and remained in tho line till they got too old or sickly to sem any longer, when they were pensioned otf. At present they enlist for ten years; but they have to re enlist before getting a pension, which they are only entitled to after twenty-one years set. vice. The creation of the pensioner corps is cer tainly a step in the right direction ; but aS the's) men are aged, and, for the most part, are the solo support of large families, it is both advisable and economical to the nation that the duty of such pen shiners should be restricted to garrison towns. They could fight within walls just as well as the line; and that is their proper occupation. For the field another class are wanted. As the eiili,t ment is limited to ten years, why should not certain battalions of veterans be instituted conmosed. el soldiers who have completed their ten years servite, these battalions becoming the British anny of re merve, to remain in England. It may be objecbd the p mig Be ni Rent Indh bettc luntc Th kgial of Oki To Mr. high I try 1 of C, theE Rat dea , cute one pur ne COI an tui eff ni ry hi