The Express. — London, England, 1851-06-03 00:00:00

11•11 - IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. IiOLTSE OF LORDS.—NIONDAN. JCSE 2. The LOAD CHANCELL'IIt took his seat at five O'clock. I'ETITIONS rRESENTED. ARARAT OF Atist oNDIXO DAIITORA.—Uf Lard CR tx- WORTII, from a place not heard; and the Earl of ILAN ROWDY. front is,veral plae.s in favour of the bill fur heilitatiNt the arrest of ateconding debtor.. PAPAL A,tillL..lloN.--ily the Earl of F.NNISKILLEN, tram a great many places ill Ireland; against papal agglu tinin. Dm! NIONTEAGLE said it must not be taken that the foiling in Ireland an this subject was at all unaaimou. —(a Imago) —iA consequence of the petit ins on this 'object Wag all oil one side of the qui stion, because petitions attainn the bill could not be presented until it came brfore their lordship.' house, and the numerous petitlons which had h en ;mmented against papal air, till to the pi iaciple and nut to the particular bill new in the other house of partial:wont. CHANCERY REFORM. Lord LYNDHUIIS f refereed to Lori John R:uselra notice is the other boon of his intention to move for leave to bring in a bill to improve the sihnioistratioa of justice in the Court of Chancery, and described the satisriietory working of Sir John Roinilly's act for amending the pro ceed/az. of the Court of Chancery in Ireland. That mea au?. .idceituted summary proceedings by petition for the ordm try proceedings by bill and answer; and it had given the greatest .ati,Lictioa to plaintiff., to d.kntlanta, and to the court. Umler such cinumttnsee., ho invited Cie Lord Chancellor to consider these results in es/nave:ion with the IStalAllllo intended to he introduced by the noble lord a: the head of the guts foment. The lAntb CHANCELLOR compliMed of being ern buras.,-.1 by the noble and learned lord's stat,inents, and intimate I net the house should be cautious in adopting them. At the same time he was glad his attention had been called to the subject, and he would make inquiries into it. Lord LYNDHURST then asked the noble anal !tented lord whither it was intended to pass over the bilious of the Criminal LOW Commission, or to what extent Weir re cummendation. were likely to be adopted? The Lord CHANCELLOIt said he had heart nothing upon the ,object, and he had no reason to believe it was the inn ution /if the government to renew the commission. Aft. r a few words bum Lord Itootuttaa the subject dropped. NAYIOATION LAWS. Lord STANLEY postponed the presentation of a petition from the Shipowners' Association of Liverpool, complain ing of the evil effects ari.ing from the repeal of the nari,;a. nun law., until after the Whitsuntide recess. LAW RET I:ItSS. Lonl 1111.0U011.151 moved for returns connected with the Court of Chanel ry ; ale o, returns for the last tin years, wit:i t view to show whether the County Courts had caused a tion.nutiou of the business tit the superior courts of Wt.tminster. OM/ red. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES RILL. l.,rd CAMPBELL moved the discharge of the order of the day vs iih refereuee to this bill, with a view to post ponement of the neat stage until :Ater the Whitsuntide holidays. After a conversation, in whieli land Cranworth, the Marquis of Westmeath, and Earl Fit:walla:it joined, the Elution was agreed to. Amain or ABSCONDING DEBTORS BILL. The Earl of HAItItOWDY moved the second n adiug of this bill, the chief object of which was to give the County Court judge and the bankruptcy einirraiisioner at Liver pool the powers now possessed by judges of the superior court • in issuing warrants for the apiirehension of abeeund ing debtor.. Lord UItOUGHAM approved of the principle of the bill, but objuted to some of its detail., and, amonest other, to a ciliuse which provided that the expense of the warrant and the order to hold to bail should be inside costa in the cause. After a few words from the Luau CUANCLI.I.OI4, which were inaudible, the bill was nail a second time. HIGHWAYS (Sourn WALES) LULL. On the notion of the Earl of CA11114)11, this bill W4ll rend a steund time. MARRIAGES IN AUSTRALIA. The Mho of AROYLI. gave nstice that on Friday neat be would peasant a petition relative to the marriage law in krendie. sews especially ao it affected presbyterian mar riages. PUBLIC WORKS IN INI)IA. Lod LI FIE, who 5p....e in • very low tone of voice, ruse to raise for papers emineeted with public works in India, and hoped that th, it lordships w ,uld con cur with him in thinking the subject a most import ant one. The public work. of India ceueisted of tau claws—works fur irrivate,n and drainage end week, for transit, such no roads, canal., and rail way.. Of the former meow works hail been erected by the sothot dynasties of India, but the reproach of the British government was, that they had allowed some of tip,* works to fall into decay. Such Mils as they had ptesermill were yielding returns in mime falls., to the ex- tent of 21 per cent. Other works, *lnch the company themselves hail erected, were ) hiding returns of Iron] 7 to 1•2 pet rent. facts were eneouriging, as showing that where there had been any investment of capital there wee a certainty of a lar4e return. Ile haul it from Ike testimony of a surveyor who had been 30 years in India, that, in mosquence of the want of roads, them had been one cues: fa which in neighbouring districts grain was in ouu at famine prier, while in the other it was actually below the market rate. Little nail been done iu the way of refiwzn. Indeed, be hail been informed that in Mysore the midi were letter than in the esuipany's territory, • fact not at all creditable to 'kith's energy or enterprise. If they looked at the financial statements of the Indian government bur the last taenty years he was afraid they would bind a sail dive iportiou between the re eripts and the amount expended un public works in the; country. Fur twenty year* the company drew an ae, raze of IS millions a year. which in Si years made en sags gate of 310 million.. (Hear, hear.) Allowing five millions annually for ripen iiture in this country, and the lialaues to be spent in India, he found the highest Cu.,. spent en public works in one year to he Irromuoi., being nut munch inure than one per cent. of the receipts. It was but justice, however, to say that now them was a prospect of better things. Several steal. were projected, wino, of which it was espeeted would return 22 per cent., and there was not much danger that solitary operations would soon disturb the, returning pros perity. The noble lord concluded by moving for certain papers (enumerated) relative to public works and the in tense' improvements of India. Lord UROFti II lON said it would be inspneeible to over rate the importance of the eubject, which had just been in troduced by the noble lord. On the whole, there had been cap'..els-II in the presidency of Rengal upwards of &MAIM. To that was to he added the estimated costa the Groat Ganges CanaL The length of that canal was about 41! mile., imlependently of a branch, aril the estimated cost, originally about a million, was now, he believed, a million and • half. In the Madre. presidency, the Tanjore Canal cost shout 30,000 f. Other works of the same kind in that preeidency involvel on elpenditure of about 1.%10.0001.. and the tank. and the embank meta. amounted to 100,0001. In Se - lode there hail been an outlay of ; and in the l'uniaub the present Onvesior-Ueseral had devoted 40,000/. • rear to canals for tZt. Them were not the only important works a t il bees undertaken of Late years in India. There had hen eseented, so the noble earl was aware, a trigono metrical survey, which had cost 311.0001., in reference to Which an interesting report was presented to the House of Common. in April Lot. It was quite true that the flaanees of India, owing to that process of exhaus tion, which operated to so great an extent, were not in the moat desirable state; but even with regard to them he had the satisfaction of stating that the last balance sheet presented to the other house in February showed considerable improvement. The sketch estimate for 1819- 50, instead of having any deficiency, showed a maples of 77,0001. ; sad though he would not .ay that at the en 1 of the year, the actual accounts would not show this estimate to have been too tittering, he must say that the appearance of things was much more favourable than formerly. With respect to the papers moved for, so far from wishing to keep them back, he would be must happy to produce them. phis country had recently acquired the two great province% of Seinde and the Pastpub; and considering the prospect of an improved state of the Aminee.., and the sli.pisition manifested by the Indian go vernment to promote public work., he thought they seed not despair of attaining a goad result. Thee-Lot of ELLENBOROUUII said there could be no doubt that whereas in this country to draw off water (foreland was eeerntial to acyricultaral improvement, to bring water on land was in the host essential to the fertility of any crop whatever. In England drainage improved ; in Inslie irrigation created, The improvements effected through irrigallon in India by means of two tanks, under the direction* of Lieut.-Colonel Dimon, had in three or four years added in one district 200 per cent. to the revenue. Its was convinced that when tho nature of the country was such as to afford facilities for forming them, tanks would prove • cheaper and a more convenient medium of irriga Son than canals. The number of tank. in India was very and ho slid not know a single instance in which great, any malaria arising from them had been found in their neighbourhood. It must be acknowledged that of late years there had bees great improvements made in the roads of India. The defects were owing in • great degrm to the difference in the character of the engineer officers employed upon them. Ile hoped that in future this department of improvement would be attended to more liberally and mom systematically. During the time that he was in ogee as Governor-General he carried into effect or den fined reductions of expenditure in India amounting to 1,000,0001. lie had heard with great satisfaction that a sketch estimate of revenue had afforded • hope of something like a surplu.. The point on which he would have any governor-general keep his eye was the' reduction of the !Five per Cents. The great mass of the debt of India was in Four per Cents. ; and the in stant effect of introducing • 5 per cent. loan, was to reduce the Four per Cents. 16 per cent. in value. So long as a 5 per cent. guarantee was given to railways, the Four per Cents. could sot possibly rise to par. Ile would much rather the Indian government, if they thought railways desirable, had from the tint dispensed altogether with the aid of speculator., and taken the whole matter into their own hands. The Earl HARROWBY considered that the redieal defect of the ire India Company ia their govoniesent el India 'was the melba et Recap Is des =sa=ressesel • met eantenet to the eusteeme vie podia . There weld le Wallis indigos{ of tk• nowesse el India whilst were so imperfect. (hear, hear.) The motion was then agreed to. REOULATION OF ChARITIES BILL. On the motion of the Loan CHANCILLOR the Ite gulation of Charities Bill was laid on the table. The noble lord said that the report on which this Important bill was . founded would be laid on the table te-morrow. CLEOPATRA'S 'TREBLE. The Marquis of WESTMEATH said be wished to know (coin the noble earl (the Earl of Carlisle) what steps had bee, taken for the odtainiag and bringing to this country the obelisk called Cleopetra's Needle, which had been made a present to George IV. by Mehemet Ali in 1820. This obelisk was taken possession of by the British army in 1801. Some persons were of opinion that it was not of value enough to warrant the expense of transferring it to this country. But he beget' to observe that it was as a me morial or trophy that its principal value consisted. The Earl of CARLISLE said he was not iasensible of the value of the monument to which the noble marquis re ferred, as a memorial of the old patient art of Egypt and as a record of British heroism. Ile had conferred with his noble friend the First Lord of the Treasury on the subject, but there were some mechanical difficulties in the way of its remota]. The subject, however, was wider con sideration. BRIDGES (IRELAND) BILL. On the moti.nt of the Earl of CAILIAiLL, this bill was read a first time. . . Their tor.l.slupa then adjourned at a quarter to eight. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, JOSE 2. The Spam's& took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SOUTH WALES RAILWAY (No. 1) BILL. The Lords amendmaits to this bill were considered and agreed to. THIRD RrADINOI. - Cork and Waterford Railway ; Great N•irth. ru Railway (No. 2) ; Killarney Junction Railway Mauchesna Improvement; Manchester Water works; Maryort and Carlisle Railway; tilventoue and Lancaster ItailwAy ; Waterford and Kilkenny Railway ; Bills. The Newark upon Trent Improvement and Market 13111 WWI considered and recommitted. The ndments to the Wicklow Harbour Bill were con sidered and agreed to. NEW FOREST DEER REMOVAL, &c., BILL. . . On the motion for reading this bill a second time, Mr. G. BERKELEY complained that this bill would deprive the poor inhabitants of tho New Forest, of the forest right to 20,0(s) acres, consisting of turf cutting, fuel cutting, and other advantages, all of which depended on the maintenance of the deer. Ile moved that the in,asitre be read a serond time that day six months. Mr. CUMPTON %Lord the Justice of settling the claims of those poor person., who had common right in the forest, before the tommissiuners proceeded to enclose the land as proposed. Lord SF.YMOUR contended that it was altogether im possible to improve the property and make it valuable to the country, unless they got rid of the deer. With regard to the rights of the commoners, they amounted in value according to the claims sent in to 600,0001., according to the lowest estimate, and at the highest to 15,000,0001. It was quite out of the question for him to deal with claims of such magnitude, and therefore it was proposed that they should be as-raked and settled in the ordinary way. Mr. Mt:LUNGS took exceptions to several of the de tails of the bill, and declared ha intention of voting for the amendment. 141:11ENRY DRUMMOND objected to the priniple of the crown entering into the business of timber growing for the navy. The house divided: For the second reading B2 For the amendment The biil was read a second time. I'UBLIC BUSINESS. ST. ALBANS ELECTION BILL. Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., asked when the noble lord at the load of the governiaent would afford him an opportunity for bringing in this hill? Lord J. RUSSELL said it might be brought in on Thursday, if the house would sit at twelve o'clock on that dal. Mr. ELLICE observed that such an arrangement would be perfectly satisfactory to him. S F.TitopoLlT AN POOR'S RATE. Mr. SCIi6I:iiIELD moved fora return of the rate in the pound levied for the relief of the poor in each year from ln;11 to WO inclusive, on tho annual value of pro h of St. Luke's, z ratd s t o r the metropolitan h, t.:lerkenwell, St. 6 7 Mrylebone, !lack. ney Union, St. Pancras with Ilampstead, St. Martin-in the-Field., Islington, Kensington, St. George lianover square, and Bermondsey.—Agreed to. TIIE LOSS OF TIIE OItION. Mr. If UMlinso — vetTthat il;er; - 1;e - la - hihe - f;te this house by the Cronunimiunctit of Northern Lighthouses (as supple . went of the return No. 2`el, onlereillo be printed en the 11th of May, Mil), a return of copies of all eurrespoodimee between the commissioners and the Treasury or the Admi ralty. and of the documents therein referred to, in regard to Purtmitrick harbour light, or in regard to the loos of the Orion steamer.—Agreed to. AGAR, TOWN, ST. PANCRAS. On the motion Of Sir B. HALL, a copy of a report made to the Board of Health with reference to the unitary con dition of Agar Town, St. Pancras, was ordered to bo laid on the table. DINGLE WORKHOUSE. Mr. REYNOLDS nsked thu Chief Secretary for Ireland if the lies. Mr. Lewis and the Rev. Mr. tiocslosan, the protestant chaplains of the Dingle Uoion Workhow.e, have been di...missed by the hoard of guardians; and, if so, whether their tensorial had been sanctioned by the poor law Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he had no reason to believe Ciat any resolution dismisaing the rev. gentlemen in question had 1:10011 passed by, the board of guardians in Mr. REYNOLDS observed that the second part of his question remained unanswered, namely, whether their re moval had been sanctioned by the poor law commissioners ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE said it had not been sanctioned, because they had not been removed by the guardians. THE IItISII SPIRIT TRADE. Mr. J. O'CiiSiMiaiPoeipcniei his motion for certain returns relative to the spirit trade of Ireland until Friday neat. the mesas of iatenul THE IRISII CENSUS RETURNS. ..... Cul. DUN NE asked when the census returns of Inland would he laid on the table? tiTrW. SOMERVILLE was understood to reply that they would be presented shortly , . INCOME AND PROPERTY TAX. Mr. 111. ME begged to nominate the following select committee on the income and property tan: Mr. Hume, the Clumeellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Hoesmaii, Mr. Herries, Mr. Labouchere, Lon' Harry Vane, Mr. Disraeli, Mr. Thomas Baring, Mr. Henley, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Frederick Peel, Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Tose'', and Mr. Beckett Denison. lie had at first selected names from the four divisions of the house, but it turned out that those names were not satisfactory. The landed interest seemed to be of opinion that the numbers were unfair ; and yet he was only anxious to select six names, leaving the remainder to be filled up by whomsoever on either side might wish to be on the committee. At the last meeting on the subject he hall altered two of the names. lie had substituted since then a member for Ireland and another country gen tleman, and he did nut think he could have made a better selection. He was moat desirous that the committee should endeavour, as far as possible, to see how the income tax bill had operated since its enact ment in lbl2, and whether evasions of the payment of the tax could not be prevented. lie believed that the evasions had been to • very large extent. His own conviction was that the tax ought to be levied in such a manner as that every man should pay • fair proportion for the protection he received. (Hear, hear.) He objected to all exemptions as tegardid property ; and he would go into the committee with • most unions desire to see some system adopted that would be permanent, and that would effect the objects ho had intimated on this and former occasions. The origin of the tax, as was well known, was to enable the reigning sovereign to carry on a war ; its object now was to enable the government to pay the interest on the debt incurred by that war. Mr, II ERRIES (who was very indistinctly heard) said the hon. gentleman who had just sat down had disappointed his expectations, for he had invited the committee to a revi sion of all the past and probable future history of the tax. The house would recollect that at an early stage of the present session, he (Mr. 'ferries) had submitted u motion relative to this important tax, and that • very large number of hen. members had voted with him. His propos i tion having been rejected—not, however, by • large ntajonty— the hen. member opposite (Mr. Hume) had proposed that the tax *hook' be limited to one year. To that proposition he (Mr. )ferries) had been moat happy to accede, because, at the cod of the year,i the house would again be afforded an opportunity of making the tax permanent or otherwise. It wu true the hon. gen tleman had connected with his proposition the appointment of • sotasaittee of inquiry ; and though he (Mr. 'ferries) did not appals that appointment, yet it had no part of his 'swat. (Hear.) To limit the tax for • year was an ar gu Nieuwe the appointment of • committee, because that limitation held out the hope that at the end of the year the tax might be made to cease. The papers recently presented to the house strengthened his conviction that the great inequality, vexation, and fraud, lay in Schedule D. The evasions practised under that schedule made him de spair of any change being effectual in preventing it. He be lieved that schedule weed never be made to work in the mamma that • peace tax ought to do. (Hear, hear). He objected to the composition of the present com mittee. It contained the names of no fewer than eleven of those who had voted for the perpetuity of the tax, and only the names of four who had vote d on the other aide. Could the report of a committee so constructed be expected to be satisfactory ? (Hear, hear.) He was anxious, if possible, to prevent evasion and inequality. He trusted the house would nominate a committee, if it were to be nominated, which would be more suited to the purposes in view, and that that committee would enter on its duties with a deter mination to alter schedules D and E. (Hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP expressed the objections he enter teed to a committee so unequally selected, but his obser vations were almost wholly inaudible in the gallery. Mr. V. SMITH observed that the house wu now within a week of the Whitsun holidays, and within • month or two of the conclusion of the session ; and, under these circumstances, it would be out of the I power of the committee if it were to go properly into the inquiry to make any report in time for next seation, when the question of the renewal of the tax would have to come on immedia u :li sit egaia. (Hear, hear.) He did think tee, th a t t h e lateseat, Wag so THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 3, 1851, deeply c ,neerned in this matter, ought to fairly repre sented. There could, of course, be no objection to the first nsme--fhat of the bon. member foe Montrose ; but the first 'name was generally the chairman of the committee, and this might, therefore, to be fully considered. lie hoped that the queens would be postponed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said that the appointment of the committee, alter 00 divi sion on the motion of the hon. member fur Montrose that the to be limited to one year, had teen taken for granted. No one had ever made any objection to it— (Mr. Hurries : '• Oh yes, I did.")—or, at any rate, there had never Leen any division on the point. Therefore the committee having beau agreed to, the house had now to dcci le on the names of whom the committee via to be com posed. He would confess, as regarded these, - that he thought, with hon. gentlemen who had spoken, th it they were nut altogether those names which wowed he satisfac tory to the house on a question of this vital importance. (Hear, hear.) But at the same time the house would have to bear in mind the extreme difficulty which had been ex perienced in getting , the consent of hen. gentlemen to serve; and this fact, indeed, was one of the ireat,st objec tions which could be urged to the committee. The object had been to .nake the committee a fair rcpresmtative of all parties and opinions in the house. lie had 01101.11 A with the hue. gentleman the member fur Buckingham-hire and with the right hon. gentleman the member tar Cambridge Cuiversity (Mr. (ioulburn), and with others who had taken a prominent part on financial questions. lie had thought it indispensable that some one or tw,, of the mem bers of the government of the late Sir Halite reel should sit in the committee ; and he had also holed that the right hon. genfietuau the member for Stamford (Mr. Hurries) would serve. But he had found that none of the colleagues ut the lute Sir Robert Peel would take part in the com mittee, alleging, as their reasonfor declining, that they did not approve of the appointment of the committee, and that they . did not believe any good would result from its in quiries. He also found that the right Lon. gentleman (Mr. !terries) was Maim:lined to serve. Thus, he found that gentlemen of the needful official experience and financial knowledge regarded the committee untavour idily ; and he could not avoid seeing that this fact would greatly lessen the weight which the committee might be expected to have either as regarded the house or the country. (Hear, hear.) Eventually, after some further conference, ne did give the hon. member fur Montrose five names. The complaint now was, that the lauded interest soap nut fairly represented in the coutruittee ' as proposed by the hon. member for Montrose—(hear, hear)—and he was in some degree inclined to think that the complaint was nut altogether ill-founded. But after the refusal of so many gentlemen to sit on the committee, it would be a very difficult task to get such a committee together as the Mow, would approve of. Mr. IItESHFIELD said that no advantage could arise irom the appointment of the committee; and that, at any rate, the present list could not be areeptesl; and to bring the matter to au issue, he moved as an amendment, that the order be read for the purpose of being di-charged. (Cheers.) Mr. DISRAELI said that if the hon. member for Montrose penided in the proposition for this committee, he should not refuse the hon. member his vote. He would, however, ask the hon. number to look to the circumstances nu which the proposition was now brow ;ht forward :iney Aver.: on the eve of the Whitsuntide hi-Lays. A. mouth had elapsed siucc the honooraulo member obtained his majority for the ineutation of the tax ; and the loss of this month was a serious feature in the consideration of the position which they now occupied in reference to this subject. The hon. member oaglit also to inquire if it would be possible to investigate the question adequately before the termination of the pre sent session of parliament? (Hear, hear.) Mr. AULION BY denounced the unfairness of the pm mediae recommended by Mr. Freshfield. The restriction of the tax to one year was voted specially on the ground that a select committee should inquire into the means of rendering the impost more fair, while it was now proposed to quash the committee altogether. Attar a few observations from Mr. Hume, DEIiDES, with sonic objections to one or two names, intended to support the motion of Mr. Hume. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY supported the amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL reminded the house of the advice which the hon. member fur the West Riding of Yorkshire had tendered them while the motion for limiting the dura tion of the income tax was before the house. The hon. member (Mr. Cobden) had said that, if they wished a modi fication of the tax, the proper way was to make a substantive motion to that effect. Another way bad been suggested to the hon. member for Montrose, Ulm were not prepared to scenic to the rect- neud'tion of the hon. member (Mr. Cobden), and it that select committee should be ...nen), an,. was, . a appointed for the purpose of considering the expediency of modifying the income tax. The hon. member for Montrose had, however, taken a third course, which was, in the cir cumstances, not intelligible to the house, namely, that the tax should be agreed to for one year only. A number of hon. members had voted for that proposition, in order that during the course of the year an inquiry might be instituted into the mode of levying the tax. A number of other hon. gentlemen, who had not taken a very prominent part in the debate, had voted for the motion on grounds similar to those of the right hon. member for Stamford—that another and an early opportunity might be afforded them of endeavouring to diminish the income tax with a view to its final abolition. It was therefore perfectly evident that 234 members had voted with the hoe. member for Montrose on grounds quite different from those on which he had submitted it. (lieer, bear.) After the vote had been come to he (Lord J. Russell) hail stated on behult of the government, that taking the motion as it had been put by the hon. member for Montrose, the government were willing to consent to an Inquiry by a committee, and that if it were appointed it I was the opinion of government that the inquiry, in order is be xi fair as possible, should be conducted by hon. mem bers from all aides of the house who hard paid attention to the subject of finance, and whose opinions were generally recited by tile house with some degree of confidence. Ills hon. friend had not, however, succeeded in forming the com mittee in this way. In the first place none of the members of the administration of the late Sir It. Peel had consented to be members of the committee. That, of itself, would pre vent the committee from being deemed so satisfactory as it ought to be. (Hear, hear.) In the next place, the right hon. member fur Stamford had declared that he could nut be one of the committee. Again, there was one name on tho list to which he (Lord J. Russell) must object—namely, that of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. lie did nut think that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should go into a com mittee of this kind, with only some two hon. gentlemen who might be of his opinion to assist hint in contending against the sentiments of the other members of committee. (Hear, hear.) If there were to be a question as to the modification of the income tax, the hon. member for Montrose should be allowed to submit his propositions to the house. The only thing that now remained, and he thought it did remain, was tur the hoe. member to propose such a com mittee as he thought proper, of those who agreed with him on the necessity fur a modification of the tax, and that they should endeavour to come to some agreement on the subject by inquiry and discussion. It they were able, they might, with a view to the continuance of the tax, refute what an hon. member had said that he (Lord J. Russell) had admitted, namely, that inequality, vexation, and fraud were inherent in the income tax. (Hear, hear.) He had accepted the tax for another year, with all the evils which were attributed to it. He should be very glad, as the country expected that an inquiry should proceed. He could not iii the cir cumstances vote for discharging the order for appointing the committee. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HENLEY' did not like the committee as it stood on the paper, and still less approved of the proposition to form a committee of financial reformers. lie sheuld vote for Mr. Freshfield's amendment. Mr. Herman, Mr. Baring, and Mr. Booker having spoken, Mr. COBDEN wished to have the question submitted to the house upon a definite project for modifying the income-tax. He remarked that Mr. Hume had placed himself in a false position by obtaining a majority for limiting the tax to one year by an alliance with a party who now turned round and refused him hia committee of inquiry. The income tax in its present shape was bad, but there were many other taxes much worse. Mr. HERRIES—After the remarks which had Wien from the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) and others in the course of the present discussion, Alt himself fully justified in voting for the discharge of the order. The home then divided. The numbers were : For the appointment of the committee 193 For the amendment 94-99 Mr. HUME expn vied tie anxiety that the committee should be fairly nominated. He thought he would best consult the convenience of the house by delaying the no mination to some future evening, and enquired what even ing the government would allow him for the purpose? Ur. HORSIIAN recommended hon. members on the opposite side of the house to waive their objections, and take part in the labours of the committee. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would take the nomina tion of the committee previous to the orders of the day on Friday first. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL. Mr. bIONSELL recommended the noble lord at the head of the government not to proceed with the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill on Friday first. It wm so close on the Whitsun tide holidays that hon. members were anxious to leive town on that day. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he must go ou with the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill on Friday. Ile could not afford to lose the day. On the house going into committee on the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption bill, Mr. WALPOLE rose, in fulfilment of his promise, to state the exact course which he would take regard. ing the amendments of which he had given notice. He wished to support the noble lord as far as he could, but at the same time he was desirous to make the bill as complete and as effective as possible before it passed the house. Nt ith this view he had given notice of a great many amendments—all of these in some degree essential to the proper w of the bill. Feeling their importance, he should mot he ' to give way on any of the amendmeuta which Memorised of amaseutial character, unless it could be denceresdad that them existed some .strong countervailing mem to Wass Mr to do so. Two reasons had with this sheer boom proposed to him. The Ant was, that the decla nmmdemse, which the hon. member for Dublin had called the Walpole clause—(Laughter) —had given him almost all he had oohed for. The other reason which hod been stated by tbs aside lord (Lord J. Russell) was, that when those smomehro who were friendly to the passing of the bill saw the delays and impediments which necessarily intervened, they right not to do anything which would add to these delays se increase these imp ed iments. (Hear, hear.) He was stromily of opinion that these reasons were entitled to very great weight at his hands, eo much so, that he had thought it right in the midst of many other pressing claims on his time and attention, to reconsider the whole enitiect—to reflect emiensly al to those of the amend- lIMMNI=IMMI. mores which be should press, and those which he might waive after having obtained the declaratory dame, which to him was more important than anything else, he would, during the progress of the bill, propose nothing but what he believed to be absolutely essential to the proper working of the bill. There were in his estimation three things which were essential to this purpose. First, it was absolutely essential that they should clearly lay down sad define in their preamble the constitutional pnnciple es which they proceeded. Since the debate of Friday ells. iug he was more convinced thou ever that the suppled ambiguity of the declaratory clause existed more in the minds of the opponents of the clause than in the clams itself. (Hear, hear.) He was confident there wee as sow biguity whatever in the clume, if it were referred beck to the preamble in such a manner that the preamble would lay dawn a proper foundation for it. When they came to tie preamble, he should feel it his duty to press fur confident& alterations, for they must remember that it hail been late,- doted in connexion with clauses which now no longer existed, and it was very inapplicable to the clauses of the hill as they at present stood. Secondly, he thought that they should so frame this measure that the necessity fur future legislation on the subject would be obviated. (Hear, hear.) They had declared that the papal brief which caine into the country in September, was illegal and void, and the necesstry consequence of that was that any brief of a similar kind tor a similar purpose ought to be prevented from coining into the country. For that purpose he should propose that a clause shunt(' be introduced making it penal in any person to bring in such briefs, and subjecting hint to the same penalty that was attached to the assumption of titles, Tue third point which he thought was essential to the proper warking of the hill wag that care should he taken if F a law of this kind were passed, that it should be in force and nut left to slumber. It would be better to have no law at all than a law not intended to be put in force. The government proposed that the At torney-General alone should prosecute, while ho propmed that any . indisidual should he at liberty to prosecute. Both propositions were opau to objections, but he thought the government plan the more objectionable of the two. lie admitted that there might be sanguine partisans or warm enthusiasts who, with more zeal than discretion, might he induced to prosecute, if they had the power of doing so given to them, and such persons might institute a prosecu tion with imperfect evidence and on insufficient grounds. Nothing could be more dangerous than to give facilities for convictions under such circumstances. Ito believed, how ever, that the proposition of the hon. and learned member fur Abingdon met both these objections. His suggestion was that the crown as well as the subject should be able to prosecute for the penalties imposed by the bill, the effect of which would be that the crown and the subject had both the power and both the interest to see the law properly car ried out. Both would have the power of prosecution, and while the one exercised that power, the other would Kee that the Attorney-General did his d uty. Such were the three minciple; he thought essentiiil to the efficient working of the bill. With regard to the deportation clause, he felt that there was great difficulty, be might say im propriety, in any person proposing such a clause, if the government upon whom rested the responsibility of provid ing that the law be observed and enforced expressed their opinioa that the provision was unnecessary. Considering all circumstance., he had come to the conclusion that he ought nut to press the deportation clause. The point he wished first to pre.; upon their attention was embodied in the amendment he should now propose, and was simply this—that as it had been declared that this brief was illegal the entrance into the country of other briefs like it ought to be prevented. 'the hon. and learned member concluded by moving that after the words " any person "in the first line of the second clause, the following words should be inserted—observing that the form he should adopt was altered front the printed fonn :—" Shall do or assume to do any act, deed, matter, or thing under or by virtue of the aforesaid brief rescript or letters apostolical, or if any person shall hereafter obtain or caused to he procursd from the said Bishop or See of Rome, or shall publish or put in use any brief, rescript, or letters apu.stulical, or any other instrument or writing for the pur pose of constituting in the kingdom of England' hier archy of bishops with tides derived from places belonging to the crown of England, they shall be subject to the same penalties as are provided fur the assumption of titles." Mr. RUCHE said that this was a very important amend ment, and the eff,ct of it could not be carried by mere memory on hearing it read over. It ought to hate been printed and not to he pressed now. Mr. WALPOLE said it was nearly the same amendment that was printed, and before the committee, and instead of saying " shall publish within any part of the United King dom any brief, rescript, letters apostolical," itc., the words he hail just moved "for the propose of constituting in the kingdom of England," &c., were substituted. '1 lie ATTORNE Y-GENERAL gave his hon. and learnsd friend credit for desiring to make the bill as perfect as pai sihle, and thanked hint for not pressing such parts of M amendments as he had become convinced were not snow tial. Ilia hon. and learned friend had not, perhapa„is e.ndetl to make the penalties cumulative, but the proposed clause would have that cifeet ; fur, under its provisions, say per-on who should pot in use a rescript would he liable Is a penalty of 100/., and the assumption of a title under the rewript would also entail a penally of 1001. So that if a catholic ecclesiastic received from the see of Romp a reseript or brief appointing him bishop of some bishopric, he would be liable to a twofold penalty under this clause—first, for accepting the brief; and secondly, for assuming the title. (Hear, hear.) Was not that in point of fact one and the same transaction? lle could nut assume the title except under the rescript, and assuming the title without the con sent and the authority of the sovereign was an offence. If the person who published the rescript was a different person from hint who assumed the title, the case would be different. But an Attorney-Oeneral would be bound to frame his information for both offences, and the same party would Buller a double penalty fur what was in fact but one offence. Mr. ts..NNOICI LEY considered this to be an imps.- tint amendment, calculated to render the bill more effi cient, and the more valuable on account of its tendency to prevent the necessity of the repetition of legislation. Mr. ItOCILE then moved that the amendment be post poned for the purpose of being printed, on the ground that the lay members of the house had not had time to consider waat would be its real effect. The CHAIRMAN decided that the motion of the hon. member was not in order. Mr. MOORE enforced the necessity of postponement, and moved that the chairman report progress. Sir F. THESIGER said that the Irish members should be tke last to oppose this amendment, and after a few ex planatoq, remarks, Mr. MOORE ultimately withdrew his amendment for reporting progress. Mr. WC ULLAGE asked the hon. and learned member for Midhurst to explain what he meant by the words " the kingdom of England." Mr. WALPOLE observed that he had always said throughout this discussion that there were two particular matters with which they had to deal. The one was the en croachment on the prerogative of the crown by sending the rescript into England, and the other was the assuming of the titles. The preamble of his bill stated that " whereas the Bishop of !tome, by a certain rescript or letter aposto- Heal, purporting to have been given at Rome, has pretended to constitute within the kingdom of England, according to the constitution of the Church of Rome, a hicrarchy,with sees and with titles derived from places belonging to the kingdom of England." Then came the declaration that that reeeript was void ; and then came the provision, that if any person ahed bring in a brief or rescript for the purpose of con stituting a hierarchy within the kingdom of England he should be subject to a penalty. The house would see that his preamble, his declaratory clause, and. his enacting clause, were connected. If the hon. gentleman, the mem ber for Dundalk, however, objected to the words, " the kingdom of England," he had not the slightest objection to make the clause to run, "in that p a rt of th e United Kingdom called England." Mr. MT ULLAOI4 said what he was complaining of was that they did not understand what they were doing. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the hon. and learned member for Midhuret was involving himself and the house in most egregious inconsistencies if the clause were to pass as it stood. the bill was • bill for the United Kingdom, and the first clause, adopted at the hon. and learned mem ber's suggestion, was to declare that a proceeding of this description, a bull or brief of this character, was of itself illegal and void; the second clause declared the assumption of titles of sees taken from the names of places not only to be illegal, but to be liable to a penalty, and that applied to the united kingdom. Well, then, surely it was an incon sistent thing to say that the assumption of titles should be subject to a penalty in the united kingdom, but that the bringing in of a brief should only be an offence in England. He thought it was not worth while to add an additional penalty. Sir THESIGER thought his hon. and learned friend was not perfectly correct with regard to the effect of this decla ratory clause. The judges in Ireland would decide on the law as it existed, independent of this bill; and so far from being assisted by a clause of this kind, it would only em barrass them. Alter a few words from Mr. TBILAWNT, Mr. WALPOLE said there was a distinct encroachment on England by constituting this hierarchy, and ho wished to keep that part of the measure distinct. Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not think the hon. and learned gentleman Iliad answered the objections that had been made. However, his objection to the proposed amendment was a far more general one. This clause was framed on the act of 1829. That act said that the assumption of any title of sees derived from provinces or sees existing by any Roman catholic arch bishop or bishop should be an offence, and a penalty was awarded. In this clause they proposed to extend that enact ment not merely to prohibit titles taken from the names of sees, but from any place within the United Kingdom. The enactment was perfectly plain, and they did not propose to go beyond the spirit of the act of 1829. What the hon. and learned gentleman proposed was to create a new offence. Mr. Nt ALPOLE said all he wanted was that in case any thing of the kind came into the count r y aga i n , th ey should have the same remedy against the p erson p u blishing the brief as they had against the person assuming the title. Mr. NAPIER said he hoped his hon. and learned friend would not press his amendment, as it created a difference between the laws of the two countries. Mr. STANFORD said he should support the amend ment of the hon. and learned member for Midhurst. Sir R. INOLIS thought that the hon. and learned mem ber, in justice to himself and to those who placed so much confidence (and deservedly so) in his talents, his legal ac quirements, and, above all, his principle, should, instead of now pressing his amendment to a division, endeavour to draw up a new clause not open to the same objections. (Hear, hear.) Even if he was not prepared to adhere to his original proposition, it would be much better for him to take time to [rime it in a less ezceptionahl: manner. (Hear.) Mr. WALPOLE could not help feeling that most of his hon. ftiends on that side of the house did not wish him to press the motion. The CHAIRMAN asked if the hon. and learned member withdrew his motion ? Mr. WALPOLE would take a few minutes to consider. Mr. HOILSMAN entertained a strong feeling with re spect to the late aggression, and an equally strong fear that they had nut dealt with it in precisely the manner they ought to have done. The hon. member for Midhurst, by rendering every act under the brief penal, entirely destroyed it; and therefore there was no necessity to mention ecclesiastical titles at all. But the government wished to introduce into the bill the Roman catholic bishops of Ireland, who had nothing whatever to do with it. fu fact, it was like saying. because the Pope had dune something which had insulted the people of this country, therefore we were determined to put down the ancient hierarchy of the sister country. The object of the hon. member for Midhurst was to attack a foreign aggressor, but it was proposed, instead of doing so, to inflict penalties upon our own subjects. The great mis take had been throughout in confounding the act of the Popo with our own countrymen, who were entirely inno cent. (Hear, hear.) As the proposal of the hon. member did not go out of its way, either to except or to include Ireland, and yet fully met the aggressive act of the Pope ; and as the measure of the government did go out of its way to include that coun, he should give the former his ' warmest support. (Chee rs.) Mr. SCULLY having asked whether the bill did not ren ' der any person in Ireland who should receive a bull mini noting a bishop liable to a penalty of 1001., recommended the government to wash their hands entirely of the in - sure, and to leave the matter in the hands of hon. gentle men who could make the clauses fit the preamble, and the preamble fit the clauses. Mr. WALPOLE now rose and said that he withdrew his amendment. (Ikar, hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS asked whether the hon. and learned gentleman had withdrawn the whole of his amendinenta. Mr. WALPOLE said he would explain his intentions in an early part of the evening. Mr. filioOH said the hon. and learned gentleman had already departed very considerably from his original inten tion, and much time had been consumed. The hon. and learned gentleman had spoken four times, the hon. and learned member for Abingdon twice, and the Attorney- General twice. (Hear ' hear.) It was not the Irish mem bers only who could be accused of wasting the time of the house. (Mar, hear.) Mr. WCULLAGII then moved the following amend ment. After the words "By law," to insert these words, "Or who shall have been recognised as Roman catholic arehbi hop of any province, Roman catholic bishop of any diocese, or Roman catholic dean of any deanery, by any of her Majesty's superior courts of law and equity." The hon. member, having referred to various documents in which such recognition had taken place, and observed that the authenticity of these documents was inronteatible, as!sed if the house was prepared to set aside a sanction so given, to undo all that had been done, and to declare that the judges had been guilty of a violation of duty ? Ile should cer tainly take the sense of the committee on his amendment. Mr. 'NAPIER said it was most essential that the commit tee should be very clear as to what was the law of Ireland which there had been most elaborate attempts to confuse. It hail been represented that this was legislation directed against the Irish people—that the house waa declaring war against them and their religion, when in fact they were only declaring the law as it stood. In the present caw, the re coguitiona referred to did not amount to any lawful authority. With regard to recognitions by courts of law, there had been no instance produced. It was a great mistake to suppose that by the Emancipation Act the annexing of a penalty made the act for which it was annexed unlawful, it merely added a penalty for doing that which was previously illegal by the law of the land. lion. gentlemen had referred to the jurisdiction of the Romeo catholic bishops being called into question ; and the validity of their certificates of ordination and marriage being allowed in courts of law; all he could say was that, in his experience, he knew of only one such case being re ceived in evidence. The Charitable Requesta Act hail also been referred to. But hr held in his hand a work by a Roman catholic barrister, in which he found it stated that "the bishops of the Roman catholic church possessed the right to ordain priests, to appoint to livings, to suspend, restore end remove them, such right being recognised as a usage of the church; and that, consequently, the right might be ad mitted for all the purposes of the Bequests Act, without, at the same time, acknowledging the bishops to be bishops of any particular diocese." (Hear, hear.) Ile might also refer to the published works of Serjeant Shee and Mr. O'Leary, both of the Roman catholic pciadision, which, together with the declaration of the Roman catholic bishops, and particularly of Dr. M'llale, should be tauten as positive on the subject of territorial jurisdiction. (Hear, hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS asserted that if the Inn became law in its present shape, it would be impossible to exer cise the Roman catholic religion in Ireland without the permission of the Attorney-General. (Hear, hear.) Though he was prepared to support the proviso now before the house, yet he should declare that it was both narrow and contracted. (Hear.) Ile could assure the committee from ac q uaintance with the :sentiments of the Irish Roman catholic archbishops, bishops, andpriests, that if they passed any law calculated to obstruct the free exercise of the Roman catholic religion in Ireland, that law would be treated as so much waste paper. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that the declaration now before the house revived the old persecuting acts, and gave them pungency and effect. The Protestants of Ireland, he was happy to say,had not joined in the miserable clamour which had been filagreeing England during the last few mouths ; and though the Roman catholic archbishop of Tua:c cared nothing ler distinctive titles, he would, nevertheless, if this bill were pewit, assert his rights. Sir W. VERNER said the hon. member for Dublin (Mr. Reynolds) had assured the house that if this bill were passed it would be opposed by the Roman eatholics of Ireland. This had been so frequently repeated that hon. members would very probably begin at last to suppose that there were no persons in !mama but Roman citholics. The fact, however, was far otherwise. Ireland contained about 5,000,000 of Rom= catholic/ and '2,000,000 of protestanta. If this bill became the law of the land, the protestaata of Ireland would support it. (Hear. hear.) They had done so before, and they would do so again. They had ever been found the staunch supporters of the constitution and the rights of their sovereign. Ile called upon the house to repeal the bill of 'n ; but, whether that call were followed or not, upon this they might depend that the Irish protestant% would never be intimidated, but that they would be ever forward as a body in maintaining the British constitution and British law. (Cheers.) Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL expressed a hope that the speech of the hon. and gallant gentleman who had just sat down would act as a warning to the government of the danger they were incurring by proceeding with legislation of the present kind,fur when they had obtained the support of the hero of " the diamond " they ought to beware. Mr. SCULLY called upon the committee not to rely upon the Orangemen of Ireland, but to place their de pendence upon the loyalty and affection of the Roman catholics of that country. Sir W. VERNEIt contended that hon. members had got up in that house, and dared the Prime Minister to pass this measure, adding, that if it were passed the whole body of Irish Roman catholic@ would come forward in a body and oppose it. Those who opposed the law in such a way were rebels. (Hear, hear.) lie believed that those who made such assertions were stating that which was not the fact, hut, if it were the fact, the parties opposing the law could be viewed in no other light than as rebels. (Hear, hear.) Mr. REYNOLDS, amid loud expressions of disapproba tion, said that as he was the member referred to by the honourable and gallant gentleman, he begged to be per mitted to explain what he really did state. The honourable and gallant gentleman had put words into his mouth which he had never uttered. lie had never de fied the prime minister to pass the bill. The hon. and gallant gentleman had invited the prime minister to pursue his countrymen with acts of aggression, and hail said that if the Roman catholics obstructed, the Orangemen would help to cut them down. (Oh! oh!) He (Mr. Reynolds) would tell the hon. and gallant gentleman, in the strongest language parliamentary courtesy would permit him to use —(wolucal laughter)—that the Irish members despised his threats, and defied his power, and that his braggadocio and boasting, although it might have weight in that house, was laughed to scorn by the millions of the Roman catholic/ of Ire land. The honourable baronet had perhaps shown his " diamond" courage in making this attack ; but it was only Dolly Brae braggadocio. (The hon. member was loudly interrupted throughout by augry cries of " Divide.") After a few words from Mr. M. J. O'Connetz, the house divided—. _ For the amendment 4.5 Against it Mr. MOORE proposed as an amendment to insert alter the words " England and Ireland," the words, " so long as the said church shall continue to be the united church of England and Ireland." He trusted he should have the noble lord's support, as he had himself expressed a hope that there might he a sweeping reform of the church as tho best means of preventing a repeal of the union. Mr. DRUMMOND should recommend his friends to re serve their votes for the third reading, by which time they might decide on their course with respect to a measure which was wholly miscalculated for the end it professed to have in •iew. Mr. REYNOLDS called upon the noble lord at the head of the government to express his opinion on the proviso. Ho could not forget that the noble lord and his party bad, at a former period, carried the appropriation clause. The amendment of the hon.'member for Mayo was a golden opportunity for the noble lord to express his opinion, for the temporalities of the Irish church was the theme upon which the noble lord had spoken most eloquently, and one which,when in opposition,he had never failed to bring under the attention of the house. Lord J. RUSSELL, amidst cheers and laughter, said that as the subject referred to by the hon. member had no rela tion to the amendment now before the committee, he must decline the invitation of the hon. member to enter upon it. The committee then divided— For the amendment 36 Against it On our return to the gallery we found Mr. REYNOLDS on his legs. The hon. member said he thought he should not be charged with being unreasonable —(loud cries of " Oh, oh ")—iif he moved that the house should cow adjourn, as it had sat for eight hours. The noble lord (Lord J. Rummell) should make some allow ance for those who were fighting a battle against fearful odds. Mr. MOORE said he had been sitting there since 12 o'clock. i;itiJ. RUSSELL said he would not divide the house The Meow (Bcetiend) Ball west timough committee. FEE FARM RENTS (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill pro fiwnt4, and it was, on the motion of (Jul. DUNNE, recommitted till Friday. SALMON FISIIERIES (IRELAND). Mr. CONOLLY moved for leave to bring in a bill to con solidate and amend the laws relating to salmon tiheries in Ireland. The fisheries in Ireland were at present i n a most ruinous condition. This was to be attributed to the act of 1842, which had completely failed in the purioses it was intended to effect. That net was (pito in opposition to the laws of nature, and would not, therefore, prove otherwise than of the most injurious character. He would be con tent with bringing in the bill, in order that the attention of hon. members and of the government might be drawn to the subject, and would not press its second readiug this session. Mr. TAYLOR seconded the motion fir the introduction of the bill. Mr. SCULLY asked what the government intended to de on this subject 2 Sir W. SOMERVILLE replied that the goverr.nent did not intend to do anything on this silaject, at least (baring the present session. IC the hon. 1111•Illiltr had not aunounced that ho did not intend to press the bill this sestion, ha (Sir W. Somerville) would have been obliged to state that ho should have opposed the second reading. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. ECCLESIASTICAL PROPERTY VALUATION (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Mr.TeustA., leave was given to bring in a bill to amend an Act of the 11th and 12th years of her Majesty, relating to poor-rate poundafie and tho valuation of ecclesiastical property in Ireland, and to pro vide for the renewal of leases of lands disappropriatcd from bishoprics. The bill was read a first time. GUNPOWDER STORES. •• • On the motion of Mr. W. PATTEN, the following were nominated as the select committee on Ounrovdcr Stores (Liverpool) Exemption Repeal Bill :—Mr. Nl'il,on Patten, Sir Philip Egerton, Mr. John Tolle:n=11e, Mr. Moore O'Fermll, Sir 'fhomaa Birch, Mr. Brown. Adlaical Berkeley Mr. Bolder°, Mr. NMI°II, Mr. Arinstrwe,r, and Admiral 'Bowles. The house adjourned at a quarter to 1. Cite (iu rortAo. TO CORRESPONDENTS. A Second Editian st " The Express,' containing , he same evening'', 4 . Gazette," is published every Tuesday and Yridsy night, in tine for post. Advertisements intended for s' The Express," London Evening paper s must be at the Odic, to, Bouverimstreet, by Iwo Cclock en the day of publication. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. Ten DAT—Morning, 4h. M. .Afternoon, 4h. Me. To.mohaow—Mornfrig, 4h. 53in..—....tflarstol, Sh. IC4a. LONDON, TUESDAY, JUNE 3. MR. GItANTLEY BERKELEY'S motion for a return to a West Indian monopoly of the home market for sugar, stands first on the notice paper of the House of Commons this evening. So, if, after the tire some discussions of last night, a house can be made, we are doomed to be again bored b y a use less debate on the exploded subject of sugar duties. At the instance, too, of a gentleman unreason able enough to require a large income from estates in Demerara, respecting the cultivation of which he knows little or nothing, which, if he did know aught about, he has not capital to cultivate, and the cultivation of which, if protected at our cost, would not yield him any profit; on the motion of one who would reap where he has not sown, and who in his own proper person is, perhaps, as fitting an illustration of why West Indian property does not pay, as could be well presented to the House of Commons. Mr. GRANT. LEY BERKELEY is, therefore, himself the best answer to his own motion ; for, in such hands as his, distress must be the rule, prosperity the exception, of a Demerara plantation. But the slave-trade Why, surely there is an end now to that bugaboo! Whilst the British West Indies were protected, the slave-trade was rampant. Not all our fleets, our blockades, our bombardments, our rights of search, our Courts of Mixed Commission, our expense, our trouble, our violence, could abate it. On it went, increasing and decreasing, according to the great economical law of supply and demand; no one believing in the sincerity of our suppression efforts but ourselves; all the world pleased to see that we could make no impression on the horriblo traffic which all the world took an interest iu, be cause it deemed England to be selfish in aiming at its de struction. So it was. But concurrently with our gradual approach to free trade in sugar, and to a proper treatment of those countries which conic into compe tition with our sugar colonies, just so has a new feeling arisen in those countries. Their moral per ceptious to their own real interests have had fair play) they have not been obstructed by their own passion, or by our policy, or by suspicion as to our motives, or by attention to what we were doing ; and consequently, even in this mutter of the slave-trade, which a few years ago appeared to be endless, Brazil and Cuba begin to have fears, and apprehen sions, and doubts as to its being so intimately and inseparably connected with their material weltare as theyliad, under the influenceof our former policy, sups posed. In Brazil a great moral revolution on the subject is in progress; and already Cuba has ceased to import any considerable number of slaves. And this was exactly what free-traders in Eng land always predicated would be one effect of tho abolition of the colonial monopoly of the sugar market; and this is tho most complete answer that can be given to Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY'S motion, which claims a return to protective duties on tho ground that their gradual extinction has encouraged the slave-trade. It has done nothing of the sort, as Lord PALMERSTON will tell the House of Commons. On the contrary, it has encouraged, promoted, and developed the growth of an anti-slave-trade party and policy in the countries where so long as we excluded their produce, such a growth was hopeless ; and if we want to check, to blight, and to destroy that party and policy, all we have to do is to tamper with our present sugar law. On the ground then of humanity, Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY'S motion is not to be to lerated ;itis in reality a resolution to revive and promote the trade in African slaves, now so happily declining. But it is equally objectionable on economical as on moral grounds. Setting aside the all important fact that it would sacrifice tho English consumer in the hope of artificially con ferring unlawful gains apparently on the West Indian proprietary, but really on the West Indian peasantry; overlooking that, the greatest point in the economical question, it is not, we say, for the in terest of the West Indies to have an unnatural re vival of pecuniary prosperity by means of protecting duties. From first to last the West Indies have suffered under artificial treatment ; first, of the slave-trade ; next, of slavery unsupplied by the slave-trade ; and last, of protection, which converted the planters into monopolists. All this forcing West Indian prosperity has deprived it of stability and peraumence—has fostered habits of improvidence, recklessness, and of reliance on every agency but that of self—has made West Indian property a great gambling speculation, now yielding enormous profits, then sending its improvident owners to the workhouse—has demoralised society throughout these colonies—and has associated their fortunes with the success of a single staple. Tho pack of cards thus built up has toppled down, and not all the skill of England can reeret the edifice. For the restoration of protection and high duties would not restore prosperity to the planter; the utmost that it would do would be to raise the wages of a peasantry, whose supply would bo again below the demand, and to augment the pro fits of overseers, attorneys, agents, and a few mer cantile houses. No; there is, there can be no hope for the West Indies but in self-reliance, in their own exertions, advantages, opportunities, skill, enterprise, and fertility. If these won't restore them to life, to hope, to prosperity, their case is hopeless; for nothing human can. Civilisation and necessity are carrying us back again to simple and natural laws, to laws founded on the highest obligations of 'justice to the governed. They, as integral parts of the empire, must go back with us. Anything that colonies can fairly ask of the mother-country will not be refused them. But to make them an exception to a fundamental law of our imperial commerce is not a demand that they ought to ask or that we can grant. In some respects the British West Indies may be inferior to Cuba and Brazil; but surely in ono they enjoy a marked and proud superiority. Their propnctary is of British origin, of British mind, of British thews. and sinews; and, as such, it ought to have all the indomitable energy of the British race, which fails not generally to conquer success, even under a tropical sun. Away then with idle re grets for the peat, and with TAM and unreasonable I MIN