The Express. — London, England, 1853-08-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAY, ACM's/ 1. The Luau CH ASICILLOLL took his seat at 45 o'clock CONVERSION OF STOCK. Lard Sr. LEONARD'S was desirous of calling the et iolation of the government to a subject of some importance, Is dung which he should move for • re•urs of all orders made by the Lard Chancellor for commuting stock of the suitors in chancery is the hands of the Accountant-Oene ral. Mere was a measure in progress in the other house Of parliament, of a finauetal character, and, when it came up to their lordships' house it would be too late to propose any amendment, because it would interfere with pubes bu siness. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, in Wing ing in his bill relating to the affairs of the South Sea Com pany. referred to the injustice which be (Lord St. Leo nard's) had pointed out, and said his object was to comply vita the pleilae which the government had given to him in that house. Now, the truth was, that he bad introduced a Illeasure which he never required, and the very thing he lid require he had left undone. The noble and le Aimed lord ilmaeluded by maeisig for the returns. The Berl of ABERDEEN court nit object to the returns Sieved for, but he must eJraplain of such a subject being Introduced without natter (Heir, hear.) 1: CASE OF TIIE BARON DE BODE. Lard LYN Dill: Its r said he had to discharge what he mean need to be a duty of an imperative character. Ile bad bad 61111. , coesultation with his noble friend opposite, which he b oped might have tura their lordships the sue enmity of this 'lacunae's ; but the result had nut been sun. factory, and be had no alternative but again to bring the Meet before the house. The noble and learned entered at length into this well•known clue, and concluded by miring—" That this house, after considering the petition of the Baron de Bode, and bearing a elacuiion thereon, having unanimously re fereed ' the allegations of the said petition to a select com mittee,' and the committee having reported it as their *Opens that the following facts had been fully established, viz., that the claimant was • British subject within the meaning of the treaty and conventions ; that he was the 60 , 8 , 0 fe possessor of a valuable property in Alsace ; that the property was unduly confiscated by the French revolu tionary authorities ; that the late baron presented his claim far compensation within the time limited by the convec tion ; that after the payment of all other claims presented within the time limited there remained a surplus more than sufficient to satisfy the baron's claim ; that the rejection of this claim originated principally in a mistake of the com missioners, which eatind them prematurely to close tbo inquiry upon ground altogether invalid, whereby they ex cluded the fall proof of the claimant's case, the subsequent production of which proof at the inquisition and on the trial at use led to the succeesire verdicts delivered in the claimant'. favour; and further that the committee con sidered the petitioner's case to he one of great hardship and injustice • earnestly recommends the petitioner's claim to the hvour.ble consideration of her Majesty's government. The lo rd CHANCELLOR entered into a history of the case, urgina particularly that, although the baron was la point of law a British subject, he was practically, and to all intents and purposes, a fureiguer ; that the property wee confiscated as the property of a French emigrant , and that the son of that emi- g res?, the i r sent baron, had been held by the lawful tri• blunt to have na claim. Further, that the Privy Cuuocil, on being appealed to, had confirmed the decision; and that the surplus fund remaining alter the satisfaction of the ad mitted c had peen appropriated in what was judged to be the meet equitable manner. His lordship asked if those decisions were to be art aside, where was the system to atop—and why should not any other disappointed claimant be heard over again ? The manner in which the case was brought forward was altogether indefinite. If their lord ships believed the claim to be just, it was their duty to pus an act for its satisfaction ; but if " favourable consideration " meant fair consideration, he could only say that the case bad beenalready fairly coneiuercd. fin lordship believed that tbe claim had been founded originally in error, and that at the present time there was not only no legal claim, but that there was no claim even for the equitable consideration of the house. Lord TRURO said, that notwithstanding what hail been said by his noble and learned friend on the woolsack, he would venture to affirm that if this appeal to justice were /elected, it would be a disgrace to the country. Lard MONTEAGLE opposed the motion. The greatest pains had been taken to do justice, and the Baron de de's was one of the first that was considered; but having born excluded by Treasury minutes, it could not be mouldered • second time. In conclusion he mast express his doubts that that house was the b eat place to come to lee a large mosey vote. The EA of HARROWBV taid that the main point of the case had not been touched by the opponents of the motion. The main point was this—had there not bees an net of parliament standing in the way, could jostles for a menu have been withheld ? Having been a member of the committee, and bating heard the case meet ably investi gated, he must say that, in his opinion, it would be a public modal if justices were longer refused. The Kul of ABERDEEN would trouble the house with a very few words. In the fine plate he wished to know what his noble and learned friend wished him to do? His motion was to recemmend this case to the favourable con sideration of government. What result did he expect from that reference ? Lord LYNDHURST would leave that for his noble and learned (fiend to say. The Earl of ABERDEEN—WeII, he would say in the int place that he could not anent to the motion, it being one with which he was quite incompetent to deal ; and be aides, be did not think that the noble and learned lord bad established has case. lie really must say that if this ion of dales were to be entertainea, then would he no end to the putting forward of claims of • similar description. The IMO bad been rally heard and fairly adjudicated upon by a easamtent tribunal, and therefore he could not consent to hive it again revived is that house. LOM LYNDILURST in reply, appealed in the name both et Poise and mercy to the favourable consideration of the amble earl. The LORD CHANCELLOR Will the noble and learned lord divide? Lewd LYNDHURST—Yes, if I divide slow. The house divided— Content Non-contests STAMP DUTIES (No. 2) BILL This bill was read • second time. TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL. This bill was also read a second limo. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. This bill was read • second time, as was also the Entails (Scotland) Bill. The following bills were advanced a stage :—Municipal Acta Amendment ; Resident Magistrates, Ireland; Turn pike Trusts Arrangements ; Sheep Contagious Disease Pre vention; Public Libraries (Ireland and Scotland); Regis trar of Meetings; Stamp Duties; Burgh Harbours, Scotland; Election Bills; Sheriff's Court, Scotland. GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL. On the motion of Earl GILANYILLI this bill was read • gnat time, and the second reading fixed for Thursday next. SACRILEGE IN MALTA. In answer to the Earl of 11•RROWIllr, The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that there had been so recent access of severity in the criminal code of Malta es regarded sacrilege. Indeed, he believed the law on that point was pretty mush as it stood in the time of the knights of !Malta. Any attempts at alteration had been in the way of amelioration. He could not, however, promise to submit the sew colonial code to previous discussion in that house. When the colonial code arrived he would lose no time in embesitting it to the crown for confirmation, and he would ropy of it on the table of the house. He could not itTi:alteration, but his noble friend would probably opportunity of inspecting it before confirmation. Their lordships adjourned at a quarter past ten o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. 7 MoNDAY, Arc. 1 Tie EirzAnna took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Lords' amendments to the following bills were con sidered and agreed to: Birkenhead Dock Company, New port, Aberga , and Hereford Railway (Hereford, ikc.); Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford Railway (Tad Vale) Bills. The following bills were considered and ordered to be read &third time: Pauncefert Duocombe's Estate, Sergi• non's Etate, and South Sea Company's Arrangements and Trusts Bills. The following bills were read a second time, and ordered to be committed: Pidgley's Estate, Itlishbrooke's Divorce, and Smith's Charity Estate Bills. PUBLIC lII*SINESS. RELIGION IN MALTA. 011 the 11106011 of Mr. KINN•IRD, an address to the Crown was agreed to, praying her Majesty to be graciously ereto direct that orders should be given to furnish the ewith so much of the criminal code of Malta, now transmitted and lying at the Colonial-office to be laid ba ke. her Majesty for approvai, as relates to the pucishment In be inflicted for offences against the respect due to CLITHEROE ELECTION. Mr. HAMILTON brought up the report of the select ausmittee appointed to try and determine the merits of the Olitheroe election committee declaring Mr. J. T. W. Aspinall to have been unduly elected, and the lut ties to be a void election. The committee did not feel sailed upon to recommend that any delay should take place is the issue of the writ, but they suggested that some set should be passed for defining the low with respect to the service of notices on the electors in cases where the sandidate was not qualified to stand. The report was ordered to lie on the table, and on the motion of the same Hus. MINIRER, the evidence taken be- fore the committee wu ordered to b. laid before the house, THE CAB STRIKE. On the question that the twelve o'clock orders of the day be read, Mr. FREWEN said he wished to put a question to the noble krd at the head of the home department of some tenet to the public. lie had learned this morning, from a quarter on which be could place reliance, that another cab strike was in contemplation. Now, of course, they all knew the great iseoneenience that the public was put to by such proceedings, and he wished, therefore, to ask the noble lord whether the governmen. would cause directiJne to be seat to the Inland Revenue-office, to allow person! •.:ho had carriages of any sort in their poie. , ttton to use them without a flosses, in order that the inconeeaienct to which the public would be put by another strike might ha counter sated to Oa extent) (Rear, hear.) Lard PALMERSTON had not heard that there was to be a second strike, and he could not, therefore, confirm the information of the bun. member ; but this he could say, that if by a combination of cabmen or &sown the public should be again deprived of the use of these vehicles that were necessary for them, the government would endeavour to make such arrangements as should obviate the inoonve nience. (Cheers ) 14'%EYILE OFFENDERS BILL. Oa the order of the day for the second reading of this bill, Mr. ADDERLEY, in moving the second 'lading, an nounced that it was not his intention to press the bill be yond that stage this session, and be only moved the second reading now in the hope that if the bowie affirmed the prin ciple of the measure, government would be induced to take the subject up the very first week in the nest session. This bill was simply a measure of a permissive character, and it proposed to empower counties and boroughs to establish reformatory schools, 'to which young criminals should be sent, thus in troducing • new treatment to • certain extent for such young criminals; namely, that of industrial training and applying the principle of parental care and home influence to criminal children instead of subjecting them to the process of imprisonment in gaols. That was the simple object of the bill, and it would be seen that the evil which it sought to remedy was a great one. It was no less, indeed, than the existence throughout this country, hut more especially in large towns, of a class of children who, being entirely destitute of parental care, were rapidly falling into dissolute habits. 1 his class was not compesen of children who had decent homes, nor of children who had parents to keep them in better ways than habits of crime, but was composvd of orphan children and the children of infamous permits, or, m was most frequently the case, of children using uoder the roof of a cruel step-father or mother; or the children of sailors or miners, who were concealed in the mines. In fact, speaking generally, they were children who had no home but the wide streets, and who were likely to lapse into criminals as they grew up. Mr. M. MILNES seconded the motion. Mr. BAINES, hoped he might be permitted to express his full concurrence in the views expressed by the hon. gen tleman. The evidence taken before that committee he thought proved incontestably that some such measure was required ; but he did not think, looking at the time when that committee repored, and the necessity of well considering the details of any bill on the subject, that the government were to blame in not proposing to legislate upon it during the present session. The great want, as proved before the committee, was a reformatory institution for children who were the first time introduced to crime. Prisons (or such purpose had been tried and failed, and juvenile criminals committed (or the first time generally came out worse than they went in. At the same time, with the onineaion he had with the adminis tration of the poor-law, he could not consent to any proposi. tion for providing for such criminals in workhouses, as bad been suggested by some. (Hear.) Mr. HENLEY remarked that the questioa was far too important a one to be left in the hands of private members, and urged the government to take it up. Viscount PALMERSTON thought no one could doubt the importance of the subject to which the motion and the bill of his hon. friend related, and he hoped the house would be unanimous is so far pursuing the course rearm. mended as to read the bill a second time, upon the full un derstanding that it should then stand over wail the next session of parliament. (Hear, hear.) Ile conceived the best thing hon. members could do was to read with atten tion the evidence and the report of the committee, that they might all be prepared when parliament again met to enter into the discussion of the subject with a view to the adop tion of come practical measure. (Hear.) Mr. IlUblE differed from the noble lord as to the prin ciple of this bill. He regarded that principle as bad, and as adding another eleemosynary institution to those which already existed. He was one of those who considered the principle of the Poor-law was bad, inasmuch as it tended to destroy the desire on the part of the poor to provide by in dustry and prudence for the maintenance of themselves and their families. Ile hoped the house would not cons-nt to the second reading of a bill which involved the principle of a double poor-law establishment. Sir J. GRAHAM rose to express a hope exactly ovosite to that which had been expressed by his bon. friend. (Hear.) He thought the house ought to affirm the prin ciple of this bill, which, as he understood it, was mainly contained in the title—that was, " A bill for the better care and reformation of juvenile off nders." His bon.friend (Mr. Hume) said that it was a past of the principle of the bill that the coat of these reformatory institutions should be in part defrayed out of the Consolidated Fund ; but that was not a part of the principle, but merely one of the details ; and neither his noble friend (Lord Palmerston) nor himself was prepared to admit that particular provision—(hear) —and it would be open to the house to consider, when the bill came before them in detail, from what source the pay ment should be made. He for one would with his colleagues give his attention to the subji ct in the recess, and he hoped that they would be able to frame a =swum which would be consistent with the principle of the bill (although they did not pledge themselves to its details), which he now hoped the house would affirm. Mr. M. MILNES supported tho principle of the bill, and thanked the government for supporting and the member for Staffordshire for bringing forward • measure of so much so:ial imoortance. Mr. DUNLOP expressed a hope that if any measure of this kind was brought in, it would be extended to Scotland. The bill was then read • second time. NAVAL COAST VOLUNTEERS. The house went into committee on this bill. Sir J. GRAHAM said, in stating the objects of the bill, he had to make an acknowledgment to the committee which he was sorry not to be able to do in the presence of his noble friend the Home Secretary, who had just left the house. When the great question of raising the militia was brought on, six or seven months ago, he was one of those who did not believe that voluntary enlistment would take place to such an extent as it had done. lie did not believe that in the present generation, brave as be believed them to be, that there would be such a martial spirit as to induce volunteers to come forward in such numbers. They had on a previous occasion heard • reference made by the hon. I member for Rye to a plan adopted in France for recruiting the navy. There was a large population on all the coasts of France, alongthe coasts of the Mediterranean, the Atlan tic, and the other side of the British Channel, who were liable to compulsory ureic* in the navy of France. There was not a seafaring man in France who was not compellable to serve in the public marine. The system was perfect ; but it was compulsory. He, however, adhered to the principle laid down by the hon. and gallant member for Bath, that every endeavour should be eshsusted to obtain the services of seamen by inducement rather than compulsion. They had lately discussed a plan for obtaining seamen for the regular service, and he was now anxious ZO draw the attention of the house to a system of obtaining volunteers for the naval service analogous to that pursued with the militia. The bill now before the committee was based on that principle. There were a number of fishermen, bargemen, lightermen, end men employed in the coasting service, who there was reason to believe would enlist for short periods, and in each year be called out like the militia, for training at the great gnu. Being men of maritime habits, this training would be easy ; and not un congenial to their habits. He proposed to hold out the same inducements to these men to volunteer as were held out for the militia. There would be a bounty of 61. to be apportioned as should seem best. The number of men it was proposed to raise would be limited to 10,000 in the first instance, who would be raised in the United Kingdom, the Channet Islands, and the Isle of Man. The period of training would be 28 days, and it might be carried on either ashore or afloat ; but when afloat the men were not to be taken more than 60 leagues from the coast of Great Britain. The pa at that time would be the same uthat of able seamen. The period of enlistment was not to exceed five yea's, but power would be given to her Ma jesty, in case of invasion or danger of invasion, to call out the men for service afloat for a period not exceeding one year ; unless the danger should extend beyond that time, when, with certain exceptions named in the bill, power would be given to her Majesty in council to extend the period of service for asecond year, during which time there would be an addition to their pay of 2d. a day. There would also be an extension of the distance, to which they might be taken during such service to 100 leagues from the shores of Great Britain, but in no ease were they to be asked to extend their services to a greater distance. There was a provision in case of invasion to compel the service idlest of pensioners, the coast guard, and riggers. In the Great of their being required, this would supply some WOO or 20,000 men in the prime of life, trained to arms, and with all the characteristics of British seamen; which force would, he believed, be amply sufficient for the defence of our shores. He would not detain the committee further, but proceed to go through the clauses of the bill. The clauses up to the 24th were agreed to. The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house re sumed. JUVENILE MENDICANCY BILL. In answer to Mr. T. Doteconms, Lord PALMERSTON intimated that this bill (from the Lords) would be postponed till next session. The bill was closely connected, in object, with the Juvenile Delinquency Bill, and the two subjects would best be considered toge ther next session. The house then adjourned till 6 o'clock. The house resumed. THE CASE OF ROBERT TOWLER. Mr. Nv7iifik:zi Robert Towler, a prisoner in Newgate, who had been committed for prevarication before the Clitheroo Election Committee. The petitioner begged to assure the house that, having n ,before been subjected to the ordeal of such a rigid erosa ezamination, be was much confused, and really did sot understand many of the questions which were put to him. He lamented that any mental defect on his part should have misled the committee, but he begged to refer to his previous character, which bad questioned, in support of his assurance that ho intended to give his evidence fairly before the committee. Having always ;been accustomed to a very active life, his health had become greatly impaired by his intrisontrent, and he feared that if bis incarceration should continue longer, it would be irreparably injured. Fibally, ho begged to express his sincere contrition for having unintentionslly misled the committee, and to earnestly pray that the house would sanction his discharge without payment of the fees. Mr. G. A. HAMILTON, as chairman of the Clitherde entoomittee, stated that Towler was evidently a person of very excitable temperament, and that he seemed a good deal agitated and confused by the nature of the adverse ex• =lllation to which he was exposed. One of the medical officers was then called to the bar, and testified as to the health of the prisoner. Mr. W. PATTEN thereupon moved that 'owlet be dis charged. THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, AUGUST 2, 1853. The SPEAKER then put the question, namely, that hs be " discharged on payment of the feed." (Laughter.) The motion was agreed to. THE NEW MODE OF TAKING DIVISIONS. The SI'EAKER announced that every preparation had been made for carryiug out the wishes of the house, with regard to the new mode of taking divisions ; and with their permission he would read the rules he had laid down and which he hoped would be found satisfactory—" When the house is about to proceed to a division the Speaker will direct strangers to withdraw ; upon which the Sergeant will see that the mats below the gallery and in the front gallery are clear. The clerk at the Nile will then turn the sand glue, and as soon as the sand has run out the Speaker will call ' Order,' preparatory to putting the question. Upon his calling Order,. the Sergeant-at-Arms will half close the door, and keep it half closed as long as there are mem bers in sight approaching the door of the house. When no member is in sight the Sergeant will close the door and lock it, and the Speaker will then put the question." (Hear.) LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a third time. On the motion that it do pass, Mr. CAIRNS proposed the omission of certain words from the 25th clause. Mr. KEOGH consented, and the amendment was agreed to. Mr. GOOLD proposed the omission of the words " not exceeding one acre, in the 9th and 10th clauses, the effect of which was to remove the limit to distraint imposed by the clan-e. The amendment was negatived without a division. Viscount MONCK moved the omission of the word:, " Growing corn, grass, hops, and root. fruits, and other produce," from the 71st clause. He said that on a former occasion be had expressed the opinion that they might safely do away with the power of distraint for rent. It was still more objectionable wt en exercised on growing crops. 'lbis right never existed at all in Ireland till it was created by statute about thirty years ago. It had been subsequently repealed in consequence of the report of the Devon Com mission. What be now proposed would not deprive the landlords of any right they possessed. It was, in fact, a conservative proposition—that things should remain as they were. No a. gument in favour of restoring the right of distress on growing crops could be drawn from any dis orders which had occurred in Ireland. He would rather see the bill lost than have it carried with the power re ferred to. The house then divided. The usual order was ,given by the Speaker, Strangers must with draw ;" but in consequence of the adoption of the recommendations of Mr. Muntz committee, only the lower gallery, that usually occupied by peers or distinguished foreigners, was cleared, and the bulk of the strangers, as well as the representatives of the press, were allowed to retain their seats. This being the first division that has taken place under such circumstances, it was watched with greatinterest from the galleries ; and when the house was completely cleared, the effect was very striking. The divi sion occupied about eight minutes, the house being a com paratively thin one. When the members had resumed their seats the four tellers—Lord Monek, Mr. G. Hamilton, Mr. Apeley Pellatt, and another hon. gentleman—walked up to the front of the table, and Lord Monde, add g the Speaker, said—" The ayes, to the left, are 70 ; the ricies, to the right, 94." The result was— For the amendment 1,4 Against it Mr. KEOGH then proposed to amend the clause by in serting the words "except growing crops," after "goods and chattels." After a conversation, in which Mr. CAIRNS, Mr. FITZOZ RALD, and Viscount MONCK took part, Some other amendments were agreed to. The motion was agreed to, and the bill passed. TENANTS' COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL. The bill having been read a third time, Mr. KEOGH brought up a clause giving time to the tenant. if proceedings for eviction be taken, to establish his claim for compensation for improvements made. Mr. CAIRNS thought it would be sufficient to leave the tenant the opportunity of establishing his claim after evic tion, without allowing him to remain in pouessioz for that purpose. Mr. KEOGH said the clause was proposed at the instance of the right hon. and learned gentleman the member for the University of Dublin. It war not intended to stay the proceedings under the process of eviction until the claim for compensation was proved, but the proceedings in both eases would go on together. After a few words from Mr. GROGAN and Mr. SCIMLY, The house divided— For the clause ll3 Against it 32-79 Sir A. B. BROOKE protested against the manner in which Irish property was voted away in that house. The clause was added to the bill. Mr. MACARTNEY moved the omission of clause 14. The house divided— For the motion Against it lO6-75 Mr. kEOGH moved a proviso to this clause, to the effect that within twelve months after the passing of the bill tenants should give notice of any retrospective improve ments for which they claimed compensation. Mr. BRADY proposed that the terms should be two years instead of one. (Hear.) The hone divided— For the amendment 3G _ _ _ Against Serjeant SHEH appealed to Mr. IL•ogh to withdraw his proviso. (Hear, hear.) He (Solemn Shee) had been greatly !pleased by the readiness of tie government, during the melon, to adopt outside suggestions, on good cause being shown; and they were clearly wrong, and at variance with the opinion of the majority, on this point. (lieu.) The committee divided— For the proviso Against - 35-72 - The prone* was accordingly agreed to, and the bill read a third time. MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL. This bill was read a third time, and several clauses were loroght up and added to it. Mr. HUTT moved—" To leave out clauses 33, 31, mad 35, relative to seamen volunteering into the navy, and to submit in lieu thereof the following clause : Whereas it is expedient that seamen should no longer be permitted to desert the vessels in which they are engaged for the pur pose of entering her Majesty's service, be it enacted that the fiftieth and fifty-first sections of the act of the eighth year of her present Majesty, chapter 112, shall be repealed; and it shall not be lawful for any officer in her Majesty's service knowingly to permit or eacnurage any seaman to leave the vessel in which he is engaged ; and every seaman leaving his ship and entering into her Majesty's service shall be liable to all the penalties ,of desertion, any law or custom notwithstanding." Mr.CARD WELL said that the house should bear in mind that every provision which the bill contained was for the benefit of the shipowners. The only question between the hnn. gentleman (Mr. Hutt) and the government was this, whether the power of receiving volunteers from the mer cantile marine should be placed under strict control, or whether it should be entirely abolished ? Sir J. GRAHAM should be extremely torn if the house were induced to part with this valuable pnvilege. This right had been recognised by statute from the commence ment of the reign of George 11. to the present time, and had been in constant use. The abuses had been pro gressively modified, and, he might say, were entirely rectified by the bill they were now discussing, and the bill provided a remedy for the principal evils of which com plaint had been made. The house then divided upon the question that the clause be read a second time, and the result was— Ayes 49 Noes The clause was thershee lost. Captain SCOBBLL moved the insertion of the following clause :—" Whereas many vessels are sent to sea ineffi ciently manned, to the danger of life and sacrifice of pro perty, and much incertitude has arisen respecting the proper number of hands to be carried for the due naviga tion of vessels ; and whereas, since the repeal of the 37th clause of the Merchant Seamen's Act,a large number of ships I have been sent to sea without a boy or apprentice on board, be it enacted that, from and after the passing of this act, it shall not be lawful for any Custom house officer or other person to grant clearance to any agent, owner, muter, or broker, for the sailing of a British vessel out of any port in the United Kingdom or Channel Isles, with a urge, or in ballast to a foreign port, either in the foreign, home, trad ing, or coasting trades, unless it be shown to the satisfac tion of the officers of her Majesty's customs, by the atticles signed by the officers and seamen, that such vessel is manned after the following rate :—Vessels of the burden of I 100 tons register, computed by new measurement, one duly' indentured apprentice above the age of 12 years and under 21 years of age, such apprentice to be bound for not less than three years, and one boy to every additional 100 tens, with one master, officer, seaman, or proper person to every 25 tons complete, or four seamen to every 100 tons ; pro vided always that an apprentice who has served fur a full term of three years on shipboard, and who is above 17 years of age, may count for one seaman when the number of apprentices and boys does not exceed one to every 100 tons ; and owners wishing to carry men in largo vessels in stead of boys may compute their crews after the ensuing scale—that is to say, in vessels above 200 tons, nine seamen for every 200 tons above the first 100 tons—namely, on board a ship of 300 tons, for example, 13 seamen and one appren tice (master and officas included)." Mr. CARDWELL declined to go over the ground which had been discussed in a former debate. The house divided. For the clause Against Mr. HORSFALL moved the following clause which stood on the paper in the name of Mr. Collins :—" That where any seaman or apprentice, who shall have com mitted any offence punishable under ' The Mercantile Marine Act, IMO,' by summary proceeding before a justice of the peace, shall arrive or be found on shipboard within two miles orally borough in which there is a justice of the peace capable of exercising summary jurisdiction under the said act, such offence shall, for the purpose of giving jutis diction to such justice under the said act, be deew,ed to have been committed within the limits of such boroush." After a few words from Mr. it. PALMIER., the ctuuse wen negatived without a division. Mr. CAIRNS moved the following amendment on clause 4, so that from line 31 it should stand as folio ,--" And such aggregate fund shall be applicable to t' oe p ur p ose s of the servicis in respect of which the said t 311 a, rates, re, s, and payments are levied, and to the exe';utiun of works necessary or expedient for permaneutly reducing the ex pense of such services, and save, Se h'ereinafter specially mentioned, to nolother purposes whitey er." By the clause as it stood the Board of Trade woule s be obliged to apply the funds for the construction or maintenance of lislit. e l le erVrtlso. houses, but it seemed to Win to be quite absurd to go to an eipeno o f t hi s kind; if, fm• instance, the blasting and re moval of the rock, which xequired the light, might be effected at half the expense. . . Mr. CARDWELL said this was a question which pecu liarly belonged to the shipping interest of Ireland, and as I the amendment was proposed by a gentleman who so ably I represented one of the largest seaports in Ireland he could not possibly make any objection to it. At the same time it was for the house to deal with the amendment as it thought proper. After a few words from Mr. R. AI. Fox and Mr. Hefts, the amendment was agreed to. Mr. KIRK moved the following amendment : Clause 5, line 12, page 4, after " and the produce thereof," insert, " shall, in the first instance, be applied for the pu rpo se of finishing any works already commenced by those bodies re spectively, or for the purpose of forming any harbour of re fuge on the eastern coast of Ireland, sad the residue of such monies, after such application thereof." Mr. It. M. Fox and Mr. V. SCULLY urged that there were funds applicable to the improvement of the harbours on the eastern coast of Ireland, which were not so applied, but went to the benefit of the " British lion." (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Mr. CARDWELL raid that the arrangement was for the benefit of the poorer parts of the kingdom. There was a balance of 100,000/. in Ireland, but there was a debt of 171,0001. for the harbour of Kingstown, and there was a contract for works entered into of 0,0001. (A laugh.) After a few words from Mr. VANCE, Col. DUNNE said that as Kingstown was a national harbour the expense ought not to be charged to Ireland. The amendment was negatived. Mr. INGHAM moved the following addition to the 29th clause :—" Excepting as to ships employed in a coasting voyage from ono part of the United Kingdom to another, or in a voyage between the United Kingdom end the islands of Guernsey, Jersey, Alderney, Sark or Man, or from one of the said islands to another of them, or from ono part of either of them to another of the same, or employed in fish ing on the coasts of the United Kingdom or of any of the said islands, in which cases and every of them the whole of the crew shall he British seamen." Captain SCOBELL supported the motion, and said that the whole naval marine would only afford 8 1,600, while this coasting trade would add 21,000 men to our naval resources, and it ought to be protected. Mr. CARDWELL said the opinion of the house was so decided on opening the coasting trade that it was not neccs eary to debate the question further. The house divided— For the motion Against it The bill was then read a third time. JAMAICA. In postponing the committee on supply to this day, when it will be the first order at six o'clock, Lord J. ltuasuLL stated that, for general convenience, he would not make his ratement in reference to Jamaica until Thursday next. THE LATE smiNos. Mr. BROTIIERTON, at this point, interposed, and sug gested that they had already (it was half-past 1) sat 13 hours, and as they were to meet at noon every day this week, he thought they could not go on longer that night. (Cheers.) If they did he would certainly move an ad journment. (Cheers.) PILOTAGE BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Some conversation took place as to whether the chairman, immediately after he had taken the chair, should not report progress, Mr. Ilorsfall proposing that course, and Mr. Cardwell suggesting that they should at least take the ' unopposed clauses. Finally it was agreed, not, however, without cries of" Brotherton," that the committee should proceed. Mr. lloitsc•tt having made a general statement, Mr. H. LIDDELL (Liverpool), insisted that they should report progress. (Cries of " Oh, oh.") ' The committee divided. For reporting progress Against Clause 10 was then put. ' Col. BLAIR (in a very excited state) moved that the chairman should report progress. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN intimated that he could not make that gnotion. TO C.IRRESPON DENTS. deennd cantle," Editlen " The Eliwooa." containing !be sure erenirre • published • ref., Tuerclay and Friday -lab% Jo Uwe for post fl heft: ft:tndedEapresa," London Evenint PaPer, allot be al tee 10, E011' 0, i 0 • 01 r 001 . b 7 Two o'clock eir day of publicados. HIGH RATER AT LONDON BRIDGIL Tie DAT—Morninf. Olt. INA. Aftrrnoon. 31m. Tr-nonnow—Morning. 4 i. 560 Afternoon. lb. les. LONDON, TUESD. 4 T, AUGUST 2. THE danger overhanging the . schools in Ireland cannot be passed over without full o-vplanation. The Archbishop of DeBLIN tells his ere rgy, in public meeting, that he has received what I: , e cannot but consider as a letter of dismissal from the Govern ment; and the clergy have drawn up a strong re monstrance to Government ; and here the matter stands. At present we can form no idea where the fault lies: but we are entitled to say as an United Nation, we and the Irish, that we will not have the best blessing that ever visited Ireland put to hazard for anybody's fault. We must have an explanation, full and clear; and then vigorous and united action. As we said, we know not where the fault lies ; but we may say that for twenty years there has been no doubt about the merits of Dr. WIIATLLY in regard to these schools. Ho bent his whole mind to their formation ; he has watched over them, worked at the Board, visited the schools, and, no doubt, borne much in the discharge of a duty which lay near his heart. Whatever may have been thought of his eccentricities, his orthodoxy, his manners, under the close and critical inspection to which any Archbishop of Dubin is subject, there has been no doubt in any quarter about his merits in regard to Irish education ; and, no friend of Ireland can hear of his receiving anything like dismissal from the Board, after twenty years' generous service, without feeling entitled to demand the reason why. This is no common case in which some collision of tempers, such as our human frailty renders us liable to, can be supposed chargeable with the mischief. Not only does the extreme importance of the occasion discredit such a supposition ;—but there has been such a mag nanimous keeping of temper all round for twenty years, such generous mutual patience, such principled perseverance, that it is not credible that now, at the most critical period of the great institution, the work of twenty past years, and of centuries to come, should have been sacrificed to a fit of ill-humour. Be sides, Mr. BLACKBURNE and Baron GREENE have also resigned; and the improbability is extreme that all the three gentlemen should have fallen into dudgeon at once. Nor can the Government well be imagined to have been wilfully guilty of any folly of the kind, after what Lord ABERDEEN and other Members Mr. E. BALL then moved that Mr. Bouverie do leave the chair. Mr. CARDWELL said he must, he suppose, postpone the further consideration of the bill. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house resumed. CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. MAGUIRE would not divide upon this bill at so late an hour (a quarter to two o'clock); bat ho must pro test against its passing. There was no necessity for such • measure. Ile thought that the Secretary for Ireland ought to withdraw the proclamations from those counties which were admitted to be in a state of quietness. Sir J. YOUNG said that this bill was requisite, on account of the secret societies which existed in Ireland. After a few words from Mr. V. SCULLY, Mr. BOWYER, although he would not divide the house, protested strongly against this measure, as founded on mis apprehension and want of information. Mr. O'BRIEN complained that this bill would prevent capitalists from investing money in Ireland. The bill was then read a third time and passed. BURIALS (BEYOND THE METROPOLIS) BILL. This bill was read a third time, and further clauses added to it. The bill then passed. LUNACY REGULATION BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. LUNATIC ASYLUMS BILL. This bill passed through oolumittne, th. Lords' eissimd neut., being agreed to. TILE SHERIFFS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill was read a second time. HACKNEY CARRIAGE DUTIES BILL. This bill was re committed. of the Administration have so lately said of their sense of the importance of the Irish school system. While waiting for explanation, we cannot but look back upon what has been done—so well done—by successive Governments and the late Members of the Board, and mourn over the mere dread that such blessings should be lost through anybody's fault. There was abundance of patience with the Pro testant clergy who for many years intercepted the blessing for their flocks. All over Ireland there were clergy who did not spare their abuse of the sys tem which, in Catholic Ireland, educated so vast a majority of Catholics. They made the majority greater, as far as they could, by keeping Protestant children away from the schools. Some of them learned a lesson in cursing and denouncing, from the lowest of the priests, of whom they had such awful things to tell. This was borne with by the Board and the Government, and the natural reward of patience ensued. The opposition died away in murmurs and tho 0h , 141 ren dropped into the ottuuh, by degrees. We even observe that some of the opposing clergy have fairly and honourably borne recent testimony to the advantages of the system. Is there now to be less patience, and a less happy result in the oppo- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up a clause to p the suing for penalties by common informers. The clause was added to the bill. Mr. LOWE brought up a clause which be said was at the desire, he believed, of the cab owners themselves, and was also for the benefit of the public . It provided that where a cab was hired for time, after the first hour the cab man should only charge 6d. for a quarter of an hour, instead of 25., as at present. The clause was agreed to. Mr. F. SCULLY moved the addition of a clause to prevent the owners of hackney carriages from withdrawing them saddenly. It provided that if the owner should with draw his carnage two days consecutively, ho should lose his license and be fined 205., unless good cause was shown before a magistrate. This would prevent the disgraceful scenes which had occurred lately. Mr. LOWE said his hon. friend the Under Secretary of State had carefully considered the clause, and thought it well calculated to meet the object. Lord D. STUART said his objection was that power was given to one magistrate. His objection would be removed if there was power of appeal. lie should bring in a clause giving an appeal on the third reading, which he hoped " ' would be fixed at a reasonable hour, as they had had enough of hasty legislation already. Mr. ROUNDELL PALMER objected to the clause, which he considered most oppressive. Mr. I. BUTT said the hon. gentleman gave notice to bring In the clause at the third reading. He apprehended he could not move it now. The clause was then withdrawn. Mr. FREWEN objected to the centre round which the circumference of four miles was to be taken being fixed at Charing-cross. It was said out of doors to be a West End clause, and one fixed by members of parliament for their own purpose.. If a person took a cab at Charier-cross he might go to Wandsworth-common, where he would stand no chance of getting a back fare, while if he took a cab at the Bank to Hackney, a distance of two miles and a quarter, he would have to pay a back fare. What he proposed was, to take the outside of the bourdaries of the metropolitan borough., which were defined by the Reform , Act, and were given ill numerous maps. Sir W. CLAY said the hon. gentleman had only antici pated remarks he should have made himself. He should recommend him, however, to take a circle, of which St. Paul's should be the centre. Mr. LOWE said the Under Secretary of State had de sired him to suggest Temple-bar. (Her, hear.) The me tropolis was usually described as an elipoe of which the foci were the Bank and Charing-cross. Sir W. CLAY—Take them both. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LOWE—That would be too complicated. He ob jected to the proposition of Mr. Frewen because it would omit the whole of Chelsea and it would also include country districts. Mr. BUTT supported Mr. Frewen's plan, and suggested that Chelsea might be inserted oa the third reading. Sir J. SHELLEY trusted that at all events the boun dary would be accurately defined. (Hear.) Mr. V. SCULLY objected to the clause on back fares. The just and obvious plan would be to pay the cabman. when discharged beyond the circle, his fare to the nearest place within the circumference. (Hear.) After some discussion, the house divided— For the amendment Against it The amendment was therefore lost. Mr. LOWE moved that the words "Charing-crow" be struck out, with a view to insert " Temple-bar.' site case—of difficulty with the Ultramontane party It has been from the beginning, by all clear-sighted men, that the difficulty must arise, sooner or later; and probably when a MURRAY should be succeeded by a dignitary of a different temper, and different views of national good. The time has come. Is the patience which availed so well before—is the faith which has already removed mountains—to fail now ? Cannot they who worked in concert with moderate Catholics in the face of a violent Protestant clergy work on with moderate Catholics still, in the face of a violent Catholic clergy? If the scheme were new, we might doubt the possibility ; but the conductors of the Irish National Schools have themselves taught us to expect everything from them. It is in the strength of their own counsel that we speak. It is their own example which exhibits to us what may be done. It is to their own praise that we ask from them what they can never more declare to be woreasonable. When they first threw open their doors 107,000 children came in. That was in 1833. That was when Ireland was overcrowded, hungering, and exasperated; when the great tithe conflict was going on; and when it came out in Parliament, in an inci dental sort of way, that the subdivision of land was so excessive that in one parish in Carlow there were 222 tithe defaulters whose liability was for a farthing each. The highest aggregate tithe charge due from individuals was 2d. each, and this they were as un able to pay as if it had been 2/. A very large pro portion of the defaulters owed sums so much less than a farthing that they were grouped together, in order to make out a bill against them ; and yet they could not pay. What the condition of rural Ireland was at that time this is enough to show. And, as for social Ireland, the murders of clergy, proctors, and police during that very year are so far from being forgotten that there is no need to say more about them. The children seemed doomed to mere sa vagery. Nobody taught them to till the ground, or to do anything to mend their condition ; and, but for the National Schools, there seemed no refuge— unless it were in the fatal promises of 01:0N NELL, who must have been more superhuman than his humblest followers believed him if he could have done any substantial good. There were nearly 800 schools opened, and 107,000 chil dren came in. From that date till the famine sea son—till 1847—the number, both of schools and of scholars, went on steadily increasing. Through that Agreed to. The bill was then ordered to be read a third time. season, the number of schools went on increasing, The Dublin Carriage Bill, as %mended, was considered, but not of scholars. Tens of thousands of Irish chil and ordered to be read a third time. dren were dead, or orphaned. dispersed, and lost, The Smoke Nuisance Abatement (Metropolis) Bill and the Ecclesiastical Leasing Act Amendment Bill were read during that awful struggle ; yet, at the lowest and a second time. dreariest time, there were above 402,000 in the The resolutions on the South Sea Annuities Dissentients were reported and agreed so. schools. After the famine and fever, came the emi- MISSIONARY BISHOPS BILL. gration, which has carried off hundreds of thousands Mr. EINNAIHD moved that this bill be read a second more. These arc now in the schools of the United time this day three months, ea the ground that it bad been hurried through the House of Lords late in the session. States, or slfwork in field or home in Canada and Mr. SPOONER and Lord Sevmouts also protested against Australia,. Yet, while the population of Ireland has proceeding further. • Mr. R. PHILLIMORE explained that the object of the d iminished so as seriously to alarm all who are not bill was not to introduce bishops into Christian countries, aware of the improving quality of the millions who but only to allow them to be Sent into heathen countries. c r main, the attendance upon the schools has yearly However, he would not press the bill. Tie bill was therefore ordered to be reed a third time this increased till the last tables exhibit the numbers as day three months. 5 4 e. 400 children on the rolls of 4,701 schools. There The Duties on Horses Let for Hire Bill was read a third - time and passed. sire s hundreds of national teachers annually trained The Betting 11,,u.es Bill was commiited pro forum for for a blessing to the next generation—trained, catho the purpose of introducing amendments. lice, church of England and dissenters together, with The Customs Acts Consolidation Bill, and the plantar ce ' an agreement to differ, yet with a practical domestic on Lives Bill were read a second time. The house adjourned at five minutes past three. harmony which might yield a lesson to their i• benefactors. ~"here are about 130 workhouse schools o i nrpchoanze, , ga i otnhewr i etf t. the Board, and there we fi nd tha importance to I re l and. Ig e th er a ft er t h e famine. There are about 30 model a gricultural scho o l s; a b out 40 ordinary agricultural schools ; and an increasing number in connexion wife.' workhouses. Th ese inst And d on a s il ar th e is o i f s t g h n e in v g e n rVast —tbe ` schoolsall filling from year to year—while Ireland is emptying. The m will be such an advance in the character, genre, and total welfare of Ireland, .`f these schools are sustained, as was certainly neve," seen in any people in the course of one generation, zuci is nev(r likely to be seen again; for we may hope ihot no nation, so susceptible of rescue, will ever again Lav e to be raised out of such depths of wretchedness. If there really id—and we fear it is undenillile—langer of disturbance or destruction of this beneficent agency, we only wish that every man or w rtman who has a heart would go into the Dub!in schools,. and see what the children are—see their decent awarance, their earnest faces, their intelligent bearing —see how real and substantial their knowledge is--how effectual their moral discipline, how thorough the understanding between them and their instructors* And in the agricultural schools may be seen this seed-bed of a noble harvest of prosperity for :Ireland. In the active boys there at work, zealous and happy, may be recognised a future peasantry of a higher order than O'CONNELL could tell of in the extrerzest ptroxysms of his patriotism. These are the future men who will, if they be but permitted, make their country the garden which kind Nature does not forbid that it should be. And is it possible that all this is put to hazard by quarrels—religious, political, or other—among clergy and statesmen ? If the mischief be not stopped—if the system be not preserved in its integrity—there arc some things that the offenders must du which should gall their sculs more than penance in sack cloth and ashes. They have put up a statue to THOMAS DitummuND in the Dublin Exchange : they must veil that noble countenance which looked so earnestly on the beginning of an enterprise which no man would have openly dared to destroy before his living face. They must account, not only to Ireland, not only to the empire, but to the world, for their failure in a trust as solemn as could be confided to human care. We think, too, that they must be remanded to the study of a Book which they declare to be of great account with them, and which appoints to us our office with regard to " little ones." It is a relief te turn away from such bodings and to hope that all will yet be well. But, in order to hope con fidently and to any purpose, we must have an assur ance from the proper quarter, clear and immediate, `that all shall be well. A VERY wholesome law has recently been passed for more effectually punishing men who assault wo men ; and under it the magistracy of London arc very properly sending such ruffians to the House of Cor .. rection for six months. For this law the fair Stx has to thank the gallantry of the present Parliament; and when our police-offices cease to exhibit the shucking spectacle of women with their faces bruised, their eyes blackened, their ribs broken, their bodies all black and blue, and their health and happiness destroyed by their husbands or their paramours, society %vitt very much have to thank the just severity and true humanity of an assembly from whom such legislation was at one time little to be expected. Thankful for what Parliament has done in this respect, is there, we venture to ask, no other species of cruelty to women to which the Legislature might as usefully extend its care ? The records of the Insolvent Debtors' Court during the last few days, in the case of IttcriAlin Du Ns, who is still, we sce it stated, " a barrister-at-law," reply affirmatively to our inquiry. There is exposed a continuous and systematic, and, we must add, a grossly venal perse- ration endured for nearly twelve years, in almost every possible form and shape that perverse and wicked ingenuity could devise, and matchless and un- natural impudence could assume, by a lady of whom all that the world knows is that wealth almost boundless is expended on objects of the highest and very frequently most sacred, interest. And yet in such a state is our criminal law, that it really affords to this lady no protection against the remorse less attacks on her purse and the perpetual dread and discomfort she has been subjected to by an un paralleled tormentor. Occasionally, indeed, the fellow DUNN has been incarcerated, but only once on a penal charge; and if Miss BURDETT COUTTS has been free at times to pursue the daily routine of her life unmolested by the man's personal intrusion and inter ruption, she owes it, not to the criminal law of the country, but to her persecutor's inability to pay the costs of actions with which she and her friends hay been tormented and harassed. Society is clearly outraged by the impunity with which DUNN has thusbeen surrounded, and in its own vindication ought to provide a remedy. Miss COUTTS has just as good a claim to be protected against the ruffianism of DuNN as other women against the brutality of their husbands and admirers. It is quite possible that unless the law quickly pro vide for such an offence, on I)uNs's liberation from the prison where he is now confined for debt, the re mainder of Miss CoUrrs's life may be plagued as the past twelve years have been. And in that case, she, at all events, will scarcely have enjoyed from the State that protection which we are told is the corre lative of allegiance and taxation. It will, wo know, be said that lit - NN is a lunatic, a monomaniac; that no one but a madman would so conduct himself. But if the law does not of its own mo'ion, having full cognisance of his conduct, interfere and guard Miss COUTTS against the escapades of so determined a tormentor, there is really very little consolation to Miss CotuTs in society shrugging its shoulders and coolly remarking—" the man is mad." The police are bound to protect us against mad dogs, why not against mad men, when they are dan gerous? Miss COUTTS has the same claim on society to live free from the interruptions, the persecutions, and the alarms of dangerous lunatics, that every one of us 'Aas to be protected against bur glary, larceny, and e.vsault. And if the man DI - Nx be a lunatic, the wore shame to our police system that it has not shr - ,t him up years ago. To us there se :ms no little method, and a very palpable purpose, about any monomania that DUNN may at last have worked and fretted himself into. \ ani'.y may at first have applied a smile playing on the passing countenance of his uncon scious victim to admiration of himself. That may by Possible, though not very probable. But when o.tis suggest ion was acted on, he must have been at once undeceived. So long ago as 1535 his mind wai, disa bused of that notion, if it were ever seriously enter tained, and leisure was then afforded him in a York shire House of Correction to convince him of his error. But from that time•, when the roma•,tce of hie delusion must have ter minated, to this hour, manifese,y, plainly, clearly, his sole and single design ).itra been to obtain money from Miss Cot rrs,—and ',hat lady's offence, a very proper resolution not to yubmit to any extol . - &Al. Now, mad or not ma' j , sane or insane, against these attempts of 1) t . NN, (he criminal or police law of the land ought to have protected Miss COI:ITS. But it has not ; she has been teamed, tormented,, persecuted, maligned, and