The Express. — London, England, 1847-06-26 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—Fanmii IWIK ZS. The Loan CSANCILLOs took his seat at 6= o'clock. mum IRISDIESS. PETITIONe.—The Pad el Basemen= Feeented wameweeis pen nons hoot web= pieces la beer at gm Nils of Towns BM • SECOND READlNGlL—linsillasties of /on lam); Royal If sine Serer* ; mile. CONVITTEE —Leith limbeer sirA Duke lit. THIRD READINO.—JeweBe Otheihre MIL ROYAL COMMISSION. The royal assent was given by commission to the following bills: Soap ADAMSON ; Bless Carriage Dulles; Lunatic Wares : Out- Pensioners, Chelsea and GreeearicS ; Newfoundland Government ; Collection of Dudes (Pert Natal) • Lo in Societies ; Reprmentative Peers (Sc ; Transference of lands (Scotland) : Nome Te sore (Scotland) ; Service) of He. (Scotland) ; C Charms (toot mint ; IWitabie Smorities Mr ask (seettaae); trod wooer lnreet nt (Irellnd) ; Primmer* Removal (Deland) Deetituts Persons (Ireland) (So. 2, ; Windsor, Staines, and South• Western Railway ulam and Wet and Wokicuh-ai Braucher) ; Windsor, DOOM, and South-We:tern Railway (Ractimond to %Windsor) ; Cork, Black rock, and Peones Rahway; Wilt.. Somerset, and Weymouth. Rail way (No. I) ; Waterford, Wexford, and Wicklow and Dublin Rail way ; Liakeard end on Railway • Welfoni and Valencia Rail way ; Norfolk Railway ; Dundalk and 'Ennirkilkm Railway ; King'. Nort,n, Northficld, lievertcr, and Edgbeeton; ii.MCA Norton Har bour Rau; Liverpool Gas: Weymouth and hideouts' Regis Harbour and Bridge Trusts; Van Diemen'. Land Company; British America?. Leal. Company ; Rom and Cromarty Railway ; Toarnabend Peeregiei Bilis. PEERS OF SCOTLAND QUALIFICATION BILL. The Earl of ROSEBERY moved the second reading d the above bill; which. after SONO conversation, was read • second time accordingly. MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. Several bills having been brought up by hon. member, from the Commons. Lord 13ROUGII Ahf protested against the mode of bring ing up bills from the House of Commons as inconvenient and requiring some alteration. The noble lord said that it was his intention to bring the subject of the general business of the house under their lordships' consideration on Monday next, and he should call attention to the mode at present in use of bringing up bills from the Commons' house. BIRMINGHAM AND OXFORD JUNCTION RAILWAY. Lord STANLEY withdrew his accusation, made on a former occasion (June I ), against the directors of this ova pany, and stated that from the authority on which he did se he had no doubt hie imputation was unfounded. The Earl of DEVON moved that the petition of the chair man of the Birmingham and Oxford Junction, and the Bir mingham and Wolverhampton and Dudley Railway Coat panies (presented to the house on June 17), be refund to the select committee on standing orders, with instroctiess Is the said committee to report their opinion whether, in the case of the Birmingham and Oxford aril 13' ,la and Wolverhampton and Dudley Railways Amalgallill, it may not be expedient, under the peculiar circometances of the case, to dispense with the proof of the standing order No. TDB, section 6, which requires that the said bill shall be submitted to a speaal meeting of the proprietors of the Birmingham and Oxford Junction 'Railway; and that the said committee do proceed, at their meeting on Tuesday next, to ascertain whether the other standing orders &poll sable to the said bill have been complied with, and to report their decision thereon forthwith to the house. Lord REDESDALE opposed the motion. There was nothing whatever in the case before their lordships which called for a departure from the standing orders. If their lordships did not vindicate their standing orders, they would = go rt y their judicial proceedings into contempt and in. Lail ASHBURTON observed, that this was not a ques- Man af mare private interests, but one of out public im pedes= He was decidedly favourable to the further in vestigation of the matter. Lad BROUGHAM protested against the declared pur pose at parliament for a greet public object being frustrated by thanwnennvree of private Attar a few weeds Anathe=t Witanncsivre, Lord IMMITIMIX , Bad *Pad dam, who aphid assure W ee &dr krallita Orem lei boa mot maturely con- Mimi hiss tie' seas lie • determination upon ft,tbdrhoillp Wm Inabilli the miss. 37 Aping II 4ll-8 Lied =DUDA= sped 117thresitrui;;;;Tsibassi — ho Maeda to tapirs lots the se sommabliso albolod this arms, Moss et sabots sow apes, or pa . la this ammo of ea laws= famba sad Mr mg to most to Mrs. M the isoskg soaks of la oast marz e ß:is of Mot tbs Wrests of ZWlls . "lsy be ma la nosed Is sir .I. = sod whales it b smosimit OM bowl ma should le to linskimhoss. sad If my Is vhat moan wash sa sussoameat sus lis asselal las OW isle as issa hidarbroms wift indalog In brats, sad oda the ra d somalsollso as ambled by the sot be pigs d sad obit amildeas It would be =ls soma lo try graMod to the Cant wooers se albs masa mossoMes its down • bread Mr con trary to ths prosbleas of the sold art. He rzsposisi that this inquiry should be entrusted to the railway oommisslooen. The great object was to settle, as definitively as possible, the versa porseio of the gauges. The motion was then agreed to, and their lordships adjourned at twenty minutes after seven. HOUSE OF 0031110N5.-FRIDAY, JUNE 25. The SP ZAK= took Os eke& et twebe o'clOck. SECOND READEIO7-I;ta.lo..'"'Biil. rtlPOßT.—Eastern him )away (Mei to Tilbury Fort and Southend, ',lib a broach le Two ken IMO Idly) BM REPORTS CONBID Inigmannant Market. be. • Kingstatsopta.lball De* Okays Lioanbed 71re and Lite bos: mace Conway; Snow and UM Cliardniaa at Bowers (Na 2) ; 21katnea THlB.D e land ; nal Opole Widle..ia, Drain age•; bloomy bobby and bartptka; Invenms and Pan. ba; lamb Wannwark (No. 2); Wont ; Man eater Claberalb•Walleverks (Power Is orb lo Ibmobester and Solkal Watimair jblabany); PUBLIC BUIIIIIZEL FIRST READlNG.—inkniteyerillimeleeney SF.COND READDlCi&—Cmisda Consolidated Fund; Inaolrent Debtors; Bills. OMMIITEES.—MiIIIia Ballots Suapenaion ; Joint-stock Compa nies Print Works; Bilk REPORTS.—Surrey end Rent Oomnalsolon of Sewers, N 0.2; Drain age of Lands (Scnthind); Bills. RETURN ORDERED.—On the maim of Mr. BORTRIVICM, return orall expenses incurred by counties, and applied for at the wires, as compenaation for damage. for lar.d required for carryin 00 the Relief Works, under the Acta let Vie. r. 21, and 9th Vic, c. I, g and 9th sad 10th Vic. c. 107. HIGHWAYS BILL. On the motion thTsitlTitto;isS go into committee on this bill— W. JOLLIFFE wished to express his objections to the bill, which he thought deuterons, mischievous, and almost unconstitutional. Two of the commissioners of highways were to have the management of all the highways in Eng land and Wales, and it was impossible they could attend to their duty. Then there was to be a rate of 2s. 6d., which was going a great deal too far ; besides which the power of rating was vested in the commissioners. Another objection ' to the bill, was that it had no reference to turnpike trusts, the state of which was disgraceful and required le gislation. Mr. HENLEY thought there could not be a stronger example of the absurd mode of legislating in that house than the present course they were pursuing. This bill bad been referred to a select committee, and was sent back to the house for the purpose of going through the farce of a com mittee of the whole house ; and what a committee had they nowot together! If the government persisted in pressing th is bill this session, he should not permit it to go through such a small eommittee se they had got now. The bill gave power to mortgage the highway-rates without any limit whatever. Another objection to the bill was, that the parishioners bad no power of checking the expenditure, as they could only appeal to the auditor against the accounts, after the expenditure had taken place. If the bill was to go through this year, he thought it the duty of the house to stop it; but if it was intended only to consider its provisions in committee, and postpone it to a new parliament, that would he the wisest course that could be pursued, but be protested against forcing this bill down the throats of the c° Ur ti g . . GREY said he had no desire to force this bill down the throats of the country, as the hon. gentleman had ex- pressed it. The subject wee set ler use int time before parliament, but its prise** bed bean eseidered last year, and *damn been thesilloseteipaillemsemy consideration.' In order to give the tie let emidirstioa, it had been referred to e edict suandeles, which had paid great at tention to it. His only (Nest now was to per the bill through the committee, so that they might consider whether the clauses met with their mipselisiams, sad ashes they did so, he bad no desire to fore. tie MU derawA tins besse, al though, be believed, it would be at grant bees* to do MS management of highways. On clause 3, Mr. MILES moved an amendment, by which the form ation of the highway unions would be placed more imme diately under the control of the quarter sessions. After some discussion, in which several hon. members ob jected to the central commissioaera as taking the whole power out of the hands of the local authorities, tie amend ment was withdrawn as leapplicable to the Muse, but on the understanding th at the principle it involved would be introduced into a subsequent part elf the bill. The clause was then agreed to. On clause 4, Mr. MILES moved the coded* of do words by which mull poi*. ware absorbed kite lap ion, he the pur poses of repeematallen at the gifted bleed, We amend ment limbo tbe dint et shi*esmat evarypii the right of suck repremestedis, so as warden in melt ilionitiling te lobes boa th * e oiler'sparishes. way.el* of The misdoing medeptei. Mr. SUCK mewed *MIMEO the words "justices of the pesos" foe " esimmissisams." . Sir G. GREY would not appalls the mmahseet, as he thoeght the duties imposed bg this clam Maid be sally well &seged by thelutiess_ ; bat as sins has objected alogetber to tbi belid, wisp it smell if the MIS, lit the connielegissld he taboos that mint =teed ot takingi in aims that view he bed sigma* lege to a d= s atiot tbe gel* eiple, althingt net mrining to give it v. ittellereass te this clause. Mr. CHRISTOPHSH nipported the amanimad. Sir R. PRIOR no of ',Wont:lA*4n ought I. 100 mom control wino* askeildrid, in Godwin ware uniformity. in Hui •M n inmmames et ihe ifighroy Apt, Mtge a siert antormalan, in wake Mr. Bankaa, Sir O. Om. and Lord G. Poisrariak took pay. Xt. V. SMlTHwlanaa loin maily to th• now of Ur irroamitaae sow ups tin sommilloas• •• not them melte bs Isolool Brom% tharninament did sot lobe ens nesse* le woo wiling to Alb bf 111 4 16 . 19° t k • •aug aPe Use fmt tor the moimaloo do in math a shape se that it would pass is tha meant .coos. He should therefore withdraw the bill. and during the I recess he should give his best atteetioa to the subject, with a view to bring forward a measure lowly in the nest seedon. I He therefore moved that the chairman do now leave the chair. Idr. BUCK expremed a hope that the mune he bad taken would not be considered, by the members of the select com mittee to whom the bill had been referred, as arising from any want of courtesy to them. After a desultory conversation, in which several hon. members took part, the motion was agreed to, the chairman left the chair, and the house stood adjourned to five o'clock. At 5 o'clock the SPlAllik ROYAL m resued the chair. ASSENT. Sir A. Clifford entered the house, and summoned it to the House of Lords to hear the royal assent given to several bills, for which see Lords' report. THAMES CONSERVANCY BILL. Mr. WARD begged to call the attention of the house to the circumstance+ under which he moved the recommittal of this bill. Ho trade this motion entirely on public ground. ; on the ground that at present the greatest navigable river in the world suffered front being under the supervision of totally distinct bodies, by whom it was impossible that the money intended for its improvement could be properly laid out. The crown, the City authorities, the Trinity House, and the commissioners of sewers bad each separate powers. The honourable member for Montrose was disposed to cast the whole blame on the City of London ; but the report of Mr. Walker in 1841, stated that he did not know any body having powers adequate to straighten and widen the river, even if no impediments existed. It was to provide a remedy for the had state of things on the river that the '1 hams" Conservancy Bill was introduced in the early part of the session ; the first effect of which was to rat short a chancery suit between the crown and the City illidt was likely to last for 20 years, during which time all attempts at improving the navigation of the river must have been rospende& By this bill all tolls and dues on the river were to be vested in the conservators; the rights of the mown and the City were merged ; united powers were to be ereeled, and precautions were taken to provide against the possibility of abuse. He might be fairly asked what thou precautions were, and he was the more bound to state what they were, as the bill consisted of 176 clauses. A superior board of conservancy wee to be crested, consisting of the First Lord of the Admiralty, the First Commissioner of Woods and Forests, and the President of the Board of Trade. By the 49th clam* they were to base entire control over the bye-laws. The board of conservancy were to send la a quarterly , report of their proceedings; parliament was to be furnished with a statement of the accounts ; there was to be entire publicity of the proceedings ; there were to be no supersnnuations of any kind with out the leave both of the superior court and of the Treasury, and the services of the commissioners were to be completely gratuitous. By the 102nd and 103rd classes, provision was made for removing the whole of the sheds which impeded the navigation of the river and for inane& ing, widening, and deepening gradually within six years the navigable channel of the river throughout its whole extent. The estimate made by Mr. Walker of the coat of *moving the shoals was 100,0001., and 340,0001. for deepam and widening the channel to the required extent. Mr. slier, Admiral Beaufort, and the dock companies were all agreed es to the desirableness of taking some steps to improve the navigation, and of concentrating the powers that were now divided for this purpose ;there existed differences, however, as to the constitution of the board, and as that was the point on which the recommittal of the bill would depend, be would state how the matter stood. According to the arrangement originally made with the government, the board of conseruntry was to consist of nineteen menthers, the Lord Mayor of London, five aldermen and 13 common councilmen. There was • general of however, on the part of the house, that the mambas of board should not consist exclusively of penises eisaneeted with the City of London ; and that it was dateable that new blood should he inflased into the board. The committee accordingly agreed that the number of the commissioners should be reduced from 19 to 16, and that of these 15 the City should cheese 10, and that the remaining 6 should be appointed by the mown, and were not to be aldermen or causes inlEleanien. The City authorities refused to accept the alemnlkn, bat &suggestion was made that sn arrange ment might be tome le if the City were allowed to propose the live commimiestses, subject to a veto on the part of the mewls. It wonder the house to consider whether that prn coed might net be fairly and honourably entertained by those who were desirous of seeing the question placed on • hilt and intelligible basis (Hear, hear.) The only object was be me a well-regulated authority constituted for the tt of the Thames. With this view, the gooma. meutled to the proposal that the bill should be re-committed. They must either do that or be prepared to go the whole length with the hon. member for Montrose, by taking out of the hands of the corporation rights which it had en joyed from time immemorial, and vesting them in com missioners. The latter would, he thought, be a harsh and hasty course to pursue ; and he believed it wee nee necessary for the accomplishment of the object. The hen. member concluded by moving the recommittal of the hill. Mr. HUME said that although he entertained • feeling of great respect for the common council of London in tisk proper position, be did not think they were the peeper par ties to undertake the conservancy of the river. He had formerly consented that two thirds of the eomervatoes should be appointed by that body ; but the City of London rejected the proposition , and the question now was whether, at the eleventh hour, the House of Commons should consent to modify • bill in order to meet the views of the corporation. He thought that such a course was beneath the House of Commons. His hon. friend had declared that it would take from 400,0001. to 500,0001. to tarry out certain improvesteila Was such an amount of public money to be intrusted to a self-elected body ? If the bill were recommitted to the same committee, the house might be again insulted by the corpo ration of the City telling them 10 the end that it would not accept it. lie objected to the crown being placed under the necessity *reelecting and rejecting; it ought not to be placed in such an invidious position. As regarded the condition of the river, he foetid it stated in evidence the year before last, that such was the Bate of the shoals in the river, that on her Majesty's return from Scotland, in 1844, the roysl yacht was lying for two hours woes the Beeldng Shelf, in order to reach Woolwich. That shoal ought to have been removed years ago. The West India steamers, sad all ether SWAMI thawing more than 11 feet of water, were detained teal hnif feed, Including the Hamburg steamers, which (*- :Mley in the river six hours. A proposition came be eemisaittee, to the effect, that we should provide NSW lab 111116 for the removal of wrecks. Why, what met of mesermaey was this ? How was it that the corpora. ' don did not apply the funds which it possessed ? The fact was, the House was cringing to the City of London , instead of dictating to it. (Hear.) He could not help remarking that the powers in this bill affected property along the whole line of the river, and he had that day seen half • dozen owners who had previously been ignorant of the fact. An regarded the guidon of funds, it appeared that the outage on corn in the City of London was front 60,0001. to 80,0001. a year. If malt were imported into London from the banks of the river Lea no charge was made whereas if it came up the river Thames there was a ch arge of 4s. 6d. per ton. Thus was every encouragement even to railroads and every -• to shipping. He trusted that when anew discouragement , parliament assembled, a committee would be appsineol te inquire into the whole taxation of the City Lark& (Hear, hear.) The corporation were new the Hems of Commons at defiance; let the new Howes Oars consider how it could relieve the subjects of mann Is the City of London from the oppressive tams tiny W te pay. It would be much better to reject the bill midi plesikams the consideration of the question till another assaL TM ben. member concluded by moving, " That this bum the 29th day of June inst., remiss itself into a mumilloe the whole house, to consider of on Maahis address to Me Majesty, that she will be it . rlCiOak, pima to take Wm &ate measures far late that the requisite Imo provements in the Meer sad to more bies Mir J ody that this him ete the mum for esingtng date effect them saistasimary *mermen/a" What be dr sired was to au alit bigolasod far prying out the re quisite imprommenle, h the MR.= between the City of London and the muse to be edissquintly settled by law. (dear.) Mr. J. 8. OflTLEYmidithrreasadiashbeamamhm in that house who would tint admit fist ihe gloto at lie Thames was a scandal bath to the margoolloa to the country. (Hear, hear.) It was his Meads, to amp= the intendment, esimMed, as be was, that the ermssrvemey of the river shoal be made a public object. The et the =dad to be as= dilmilea lid. Th City ey saill_tbey had =Ow ihou oda =Mod to astelakaparrnriatr oldie bat, in point d hot, dry bad sow poomed any such wins as thugs ride taro agibuillthis bill. They &dua ll y detheirl thimmilms, 11141, declaring that they lied no pewee to mime When soth was Me es" tio mostradod *at the ward hewer al the muse =aid gto ll= oft= goopuglia. Oa thou cabe had goloo to a art Moog& to seated as • pails salMst:i that se poluis lituall Nom the difileulties. _ _ _ _ Lead O. BERTINCK reerriced that ete 1a sasslon ter Yastrow bad a Is a new elhenallar flat eight es advocate of the anditpeti perogetlo of the crows. The 'opera of Loads& bed e rig* as atess et the The tion rms show the this et dgmet WM= tbe Ciseq ecoserv uor ; sad tie nom they woe ow WNW mob thee they sans fir. ward as ramose et tbelubsidindea of the river, end co. sullen of all lie, snap smell see yea deso.benls. The question now wen, ~t' sr tbry sheeld emit to addreoilte cavern to interbowith sob privileges. If they did, doyenne be prepared to make' gnat pecuniary sorifise. The corpora tion, as the other hand, were prepared, lbe ommaint this bill was pried, to raise the ausessat7 feeds red room the Clerk which were onsplebed of. Tbek mend to hint to be la every reap* oest= a soZ boa its bell m; • dgredelien la the bore to mind* the =Liof Nt seperatise, be tbseglit the polimeet and would be gaimes et great advertises byo m- at. Fie abeald onsiely, therefore, smart t he bill. DUNCOIIII2 wee mot aware Ott the City of Leah bed, op t• do puma time, sods soy at ell. n a seastril et dr AdwithYr arm dors mil aid *et be bed bed a 'fort efitistadot" ben tbo Oily, bet who tbet e sort of Intimate" was, be did set spoor We to wile. If the City wooled Is sepreedi the bore, they thenM de es by the oast poems el petition, sot it do low Ineledi with thorn in soy (Aka way, the hew wadi dverib OWL It Thema wee a intik neer enMOhiLe_lessted. It wee absurd to Wok ef a tballotostbeVogaillathil 81"'" the TW IT IS cal -" Ole had alum hatred's:aim of this bill would iallseure him upon tie pro rout ooteska to vote for its re.commithil. That reason was, that practical benefits would result from the bill, whilst, if it were not passed, a proper arrangement for the taawer meet of the river could not be arrived at. He was willing to believe that this bill, if it passed, would secure efileient management and the remove] of many existing abuses. He understood that the corporation were prepared to submit to the terms originally proposed by parliament ; and be was not prepared to withhold horn them the advantage of such submission, though, by their recent proceeding., he owned that he thought the City had not entitled themselves to very much consideration at their hands. Col. T. WOOD said it was really only an accidental cir cumstance that they were discussing this hill to-day; for it was only at the instance of the hon. member for Montrose that he had given notice for further proceedings upon this bill ; and it was only because of the hon. member's motion that the City had been driven to offer a compromise. The government had acted with great indecision and vacillation, and the house was, consequently, placed in a very ignomi nious position. He should vote for the amendment. Mr. WILLIAMS rose amid cries of" Oh." He said, that as there was an evident disposition on the part of the govern. ment to truckle to the City of London, the house should be reminded that the Corporation of London only represented the shopkeepers of the lowest clam. Tae great merchants and bankers had no interest in the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Court of Common Council. Those people had most grossly mismanaged the river. As to their ancie..t pri vilege" the noble lord opposite was mistaken in supposing they could trace it up to anything like the period of the conquest. No such thing ! The corporation of the City he represented had charters much older than any belonging to the City. (A laugh.) The only chance they had of improving the navigation of the Thames was by taking all control over it out of the hands of the corporation. Mr. Alderman HUMPHERY defended the corporation, and expressed a wish that the bill might be referred back to the committee, in order to afford the corporation an oppor tunity of accepting the terms of the government. For the motion 92 Against it The bill was then ordered to be re-committed. NATIONAL SCHOOLS. . On the question that the house at its rising do adjourn to Monday next, Sir D L. RVANS put the following questions: I. ibessil the erWe of on ealaiing national school, in a parish whim asswearsii aro not nolistont innumbers to form a seporiite wheel, beim, he mar grass, W adopt • rule of mimagement which shall air& the ebildinsietnassenhominin with exemption from at. traders at Munk and her hiniminim ha theceteohirm, and should the Mama Scheel Moiety rates Moir sanction to such rule. will the Oonsmittee of Prtey Omit an Idmation comfiter the deeire on the one tart he adept SW min and the refuel of the National Selma fillet. he miNIIM or grant aid rimier such Mroussatnnes, as romsenowEint ahem a "speci.il eve? 2. And Is the arse et the Ormareee Of Way Oozed deeming a national wheel. afispewsk teleniat and practice, to be within the ,ire ems; will Or l em onnadned by such school by Mahn of NNW of mate ass her the National tithed Society, be rhea lere earlierallea to rearableti the of aid to bet=by the Omer et Yiley Otramil 3. It having been skel arelleri rimer ere imolemplatal by gavernment to raft are .of Weer Osabelhe,, vet tie Erre lord at the bead dike geweesseat iiieve the he ,Wee a congregation of dis miss% who yplaw et the Wader of goverment aid to educa tion, he,. a rentre of Ilbseity eatenoee to them. which is Moe mime, betided losysisadr limas Catholic tellow-aublects. sad to *WM they me way aalleigkft the effect that additional she hee al ha es sellee eenairtmhonA dissenter,, ala r d : r ie c alTaierloa wllibeet bineldag previous minutes as et ]read esbesk, ee wept government aid with. at berg einerairel parse ro senest to government on the I :S or dodos dins Emil= and pupil teachers? rd !TTMELL said that regarding the general prin ciples on which the Committee of Pricy Council were pre- I pared to act, he had already stilted i,i previous debates that in cues where the managers of a school conformed ge nerally to the rules of the National Society, but did not follow that rule which obliged the children to learn the catechism and attend church, the Committee of Council would feel themselves at liberty to extend aid. With regard to the second question, in cases of loos by the refusal of assistance, each case would rest upon its own merits ; but, gene rally speaking, they would be entitled to aid if they were considered church schools. Regarding the third ques tion, it was intended to meet the cue of the Roman Catholics. , 1 A minute was in preparation on the subject, and the draft would be submitted to the Catholic Institute before any further proceedings were taken. It was likewise intended to meet the objections held by congregational dissenters. These objections were of en extremely refined nature, but still such as ought not to be allowed to prevent aid being given to schools which otherwise would be afforded. The government said that they would be satisfied if the inspectors reported that they were satisfied with the religious instruc tion given in the school. That amounted to no interference. I Still, many congregational dissenters of strong opinions, but praise' worth 7 conduct, felt that it was al ioterference ; and the Committee of Council, considering such to be an objection upon religious grounds, decided that in these cases they would not require the local mana ger, of the schools to say that they were satisfied with the religious instruction. A minute to that effect was also in preparation; but these arrangements had regard only to future grants, those of the present year being allotted in strict conformity with the declarations of the government in that house. Ile was anxious to extend the government aid as widely as possible ; but the grants already made would be distributed in strict conformity with those declarations. The motion for adjourning the house to Monday was then agreed to. COMMERCIAL TREATIES WITH FRANCE. . _ On the motion of Lord O. BENTINCA, an address was agreed upon to her Majesty, praying her Majesty to be graciously pleased to direct that there be laid before this house conies of the commercial treaties contracted between Great Britain and France in the yearn 1786 and 1787. EPISCOPAL FUND. _ On the motion et Mr. Holleman, it was agreed that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to order that there be laid before this house a return of the proceeds and application of the episco pal fund from its commencement to the present time. OPERATIONS IN CHINA. Mr. HUME inquired whether the noble lord at the head of foreign affairs would ham any objection tos lay upon the table a copy of the instructions sent out to the British autho rities in China? Lord PALMERSTON replied that it so happened that two important despatches had not been received owing to some accident, but he should take the earliest opportunity of laying before the house the fullest information on the sub ject to which the hon. member for Montrose referred. CAPTAIN WARNER'SINVENTION, On the motion for the order of the day for the committee of 'apply being read, Lord INOESTRE moved, pursuant to his notice, for the appointment of a select committee to consider the report of the commissioners appointed to investigate Capt. Warner's inventions. The noble lord complained of the derision and laughter with which his notice of motion had been received ; bat declared that he felt undismayed by such manifestations, as be was determined to have the matterproperly understood by the country. He trusted the house would not accuse him e overweening confidence in his own opinion', but would give him credit for a sincere and earnest conviction in the Justice of the cause he advocated. (Hear, hear.) ln former debates much had been said against the character and pur suits of Capt. Warner, and an anonymous letter—or a letter of which the writer's name was not disclosed—had been read by the hon. member for Salford (Mr. Brotherton), to the edict that Capt. Warner had offered to sell his invention to Don Pedro for 500,0001. This be (Lord Ingestre) was pre pared to deny by correspondence he was 16 a situation to produce. He would not trouble the house with that corre spondence, with the exception of calling their attention to a letter addressed on the 11th of the present month to Capt. Warner, by Sir J. M. Doyle, who had beenaide-de-camp to Don Pedro at the time to which Me letter in question referred. The noble lord read the letter at length, and its tenor was tapirs ex pressions to the higk esteem In which Captain Warner was held by Don Pedro, for his services during the Miguelite in surrection. He h ad also to complain that the right hon. baronet, the member for Tamworth, when a motion on this subject wee brought forward in 1842, by the late Sir Francis Bartlett, bad stated that Capt. Warner required a guarantee from the ggoovernment for 4410,0001., before he would exhibit anyexperiisato of his invention. This was not correct, for la the pentorling month of May Captain Warner had omentueimbid to the government that he was wil iest te lam the amount of the value of his dis sever/ to their decides ; and in July, 1812, he made • simßir teatentaieeties to the late Sir George Murray, they the Ileaeardestesel of the Ordnance. All through the he had be— sale Capt. Warmer had been treated so though he . been a swindler and impostor during the late administratiA. He (Lord Ingest* new same to the time when the present =asmied Is silks. He then waited upon the noble bead of the goverament, and he must say that he was reesivoll by him with the greatest kindness and cow. ems. gma The nab lord suggested that two highly distia- Akers ahead be appointed commissioners to within sad mart apse experiments to be *own to them of Capt. Walser's Jamas. Captain Weimer, without hesitatio n, eacepasel the sembatisa et both Mess eSeers, as well as the instesellembemi by th i FilleMer•Geseseal of the Ord naneshe whim k was that ail reports shear be Eras is the dr setae lord at the bead of the germment. Thus mempemealm having been mole, the te wove appointed to take *es in a enfeeble Aa t: M ei try il i the of Beaudeeert, the meet ef die. Marquis of . In Heywood Park the expedients were made, lad they had been reported by Oohed Molnar awl ChM% W he ailed hams, he W thae lsgeffrea . hez i ner e t w rolly dimmed lowa rat dor Il dreiNifilli ad Ile experiments made - by Haplais Werner ea thbeserbr, et the instance of the ces. shirt As to the mewl or oe, the ballees bed 11: 1" 11P. ta r2r:r ee grial Ze. dewed the adedhe at the vetr a rt a ddad actirredereee bra Mesa suer t : re fah= ad sere wheys dr ter bed dreggral art if • camerae wee Carhe therld be able le peer that the shells had Ihllen oestlmona inis. At a ahlisee of four sae ten or twelve last bra beer dropped _within a epee sat Wise the Ilse of that hems. Three the warildereee had net tekaa ilts Soslie to ascertain whet becameal the drab, iiii air ash of tkogleser bra smalsed Meths thato mil weelommed to gyre evident* bah", the antlikii*. COI. Mli, one of the commissioners, bad wilted for iatoincation on two points—whether certainty mid be attained la the direction, end also in th e distance travelled. It bed bees dhows to him that both these points were sepal* et being eathhetorily ascertained by further ea pliTent ; betpathltripm! hag been heard from the con --- swat. He bad always bees saest dadrous that Capt. Wanter's meant should Im confined to this country ; for although it was true, as the mintiaissiceers remarked, that its pnaciple would be discovered the find time it was used, yet its operation might have been reserved for some important seessean. He regretted the publicity that bad been given to the matter ; but Capt. Warner had been com pelled, in self-defence, to publish the correspondence that had taken place. Despite the scientific opinion of the boa. and gallant officer behind him (Sir H. Douglas), he must contend that the invention was a valuable one, and was ca pable of being applied to the purposes pointed out by Capt. Warner. The other invention, the trivial de shell, he had seen in operation four or five times ; and nothing would be more easy than, by its means, to guard and defend all har bour* and roadsteads. It would also be the means of pre venting bloodshed. (Laughter.) Supposing a fleet collected in Boulogne harbour, meditating a descent on England, he would dely, by means of this invention, a single ship to leave that harbour without certain destruction. The same prin ci,le was applicable to keeping the enemy's vessels out of our harbours. He might be told that it was a fatal objection to the balloons—that they could not be conveyed from place to pace, by reason of the incompressible 1:12. ture of the ris. But he (Lord Ingestre) was prepared to prove that this could be done; and in this opinion he was fortified by two eminent authorities, Lieut. Webster and Captain Harvey. To inventions of this descriptiou, ob jections were readily raised by many persons, solely on the ground of the strangeness and novelty of the object pea posed ; another large clam of objections arose from profes sional jealousy; but he hoped the house would not be swayed by any such considerations. After Capt. Warner had laid his invention at the feet of the country, he could not see how he would be guilty of high treason, as alleged in his letter by the noble lord at the heart of the government, if he took his goods and offered them in another market. He should be glad to hear the opinion of the learned Attorney-General on this point. It was very easy to cry down a man in humble life in this way; but all Capt. arner had done had been a little to overstep hon. gentle men on the other side of the house in their free-trade notions. (Laughter.) He trusted the house wield agree to the appoint. ment of a select committee, before whom he should distinctly prove that there were grounds for pursuing the experiments farther, and to show, by the evidence of professional men, that the inventions were really valuable. Let Capt. Warner be placed in a steamer, and he would undertake to direct his operations with success against some rocky island, where there was no property to be destroyed—one of the Scilly Islands, for instance. (Laughter.) The noble lord concluded by moving the appointment of a select committe. Mr. HOLLOND hoped the government would grant the select committee, as he was confident it would confirm the report of the commissioners. He bud received a letter from Mr. Green, the aeronaut, on the subject, who wished it to be understood that he had not knowingly anything to do with the foolish experiment. The hon. gentleman read a letter from Mr. Green,which detailed the circumstances under which the balloon was used upon the occasion. Mr. Green believed the whets affair to be a great deception—(" hear," and laughter)—and he hoped the house would order Captain Warner to return certain articles connected with the balloon which be bad in his possession. (Much laughter.) Mr. BROTHERTON had been charged by the noble lord (Lord Ingestre) with reading an anonymous letteron aformer occasion with a view to injure Capt. Warner. Now, he knew nothing of him, and he cared nothing for him—(a laugh)—sad he certainly did mot wish to injure him. His only object waste protect the public purse. Sir Charles Shaw had, in tad, written to him, stating that Capt. Warner's invention proved • great failure in Lisbon; and he had received another letter also pointing out the absurdity of the whole affair and his only desire was to save a perfeetly useless expenditure of the public money. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL hoped, after the experiments which had been made, that the matter might have been set at red without any further inquiry. (Hear, hear.) He had under stood that Capt. Warner could send a projectile for five miles with precision, and that had induced the government to wish the experiment to be fairly tried. The former go vernment appointed a commission ; but Ca?t. Warner, for some reasons or other, objected to their proceeding with the inquiry. He, however, thought the best course was to ap point a competent commission, and he had agreed with the noble lord (Lord Ingestre) that the long range should be taken as a test. The officers appointed could not be found fault with ao to their competency to judge of the experiment ; and he bad told the commissioners that no expense should be incurred but such as they thought necessary. Their impression was unfavourable in the first Matinee but they still thought that 1,3001. might be granted to try the experiment fully. The ground was chosen by the noble lord (Lord Ingestre)—the commissioners waited for some time fur the experiment to be made, and it was to be tried under certain conditions, which were settled. An oak, called the " Fide Oak," was the point to which the long range was to be directed, and the noble lord had said it was incoaceivable that any one should have placed himself in that spot. Why he (Lord J. Russell) must own that his fear was not that Capt Warner would destroy the object he said he would demolish, bat something very wide of it. (A laugh.) And when it was proposed to try the experiment on the Downs, in Sussex, be was afraid that it aught injure some villages in the neighbourhood. It appeared that a particular wind was necessary to take the balloon from point to point, and it was impossible that it could reach the intended object unless the wind were in that direction, which, of course, Capt. Warner could not command—(a laugh)—if he had staid there not only three days, or three weeks, but even three years% and then the wind must have a certain force and velocity to convey the balloon in precisely the same time as the pilot balloon, or the experiment would fail. (A laugh.) Ile reed not go into the various other reasons which ren dered this invention melees. (Hear, hear.) It was under stood between the commissioners and Capt. Warner that a certain number of shella and balls were to be dropped at three miles, four miles, and five miles' distance ; but it was afterwards agreed that they should not go beyond fawnlike; and the result was, that five balls had fallen within a mile et the object, and that a great many others had fallen at from one and • half to two miles' distance. Instead, therefore, of there being certainty of aim, there was a total uncertainty of sire; instead of using the machine under all circularise's, it was evident there was no power whatever of so single; mi. instead of impenetrable secrecy, the public very men beam* aware that a balloon had gone up, and that the &ells fail from it. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the ether levee tions of Captain Waraer'a, he would say nothing; but with regard to the long range, he was inclined to agree with the bon. member behind him, that 1,3001. was too much to ex pend on the experiment. It had at least every change of success that Captain Warner could expect, and he thought that the matter should now be considered as set at rut. (Hear, hear.) He thought it must be allowed that Captain Warner had completely failed in the performance of his pro fession, and he therefore trusted that the house would not agree to the motion for • select committee. (Hear, hear.) Mr. AGLIONBY thought that tue speech of the noble lord, though he had dealt a good deal in the sarcasms which this subject usually called forth, was the fairest in argument that he had yet heard in opposition to Captain Warner's in vention. He did not know Captain Warner. but he thought that most unmerited obloquy and abuse had been cast on him and his invention. The epithets " humbug," " delusion," " collusion," had been lavished on Captain Warner, both by persons in that house and persons out of it, who, he believed, knew very little about the matter, and did not care to inform themselves upon it. He had seen the model and plan of the invention in Arlington-street, and although he would not venture to say whether it could be made available for the purposes of war, he still thought it was a subject that was neither ridiculous nor absurd, but one deserving of inquiry. He was surprised to hear a person possessed of the acientide knowledge . of the hon. member for Hastings state that the project of applying a balloon to the purpose intended by Captain Warner was an absurd one. He bad heard it stated that a person went up in the balloon, but he believed that was about as true as the report that the ship at Brigham was blown up by gunpowder within it. The noble lead esemed to think that it was necessary that the wind shield be New by from a certain p oi nt to a certain point beim the Waist amid be made available ; but. he believed that thee" they meld not depend on its going to the exact poiet, dared es it to a certain degree, and if it art= spina harbours and towns on the coat nabs' whisk a was intemitsd to be used, it mien commit that dhateestise wide sesseed to be seek an object of desire to elm. He would suggest that a moonittes of farialry dwell be ap pointed before which officers and ara of seisms mold la examined, and if they were of opinion time sollekatpseade did not exist to mew madam ozymmissat, that the manor should drop. Sir H. DOUGLAS desist that Oapt Warner had been treated by the esemblemere in to his state ment tis badly k se the find @Elbows' he had up two pri valesse, by mums of bli lavaillest, bola a vessel called tbe Needles. beams, sitar legiakbe In all the public saute, there was se true of air me read, or of an = kvalemeries emeeled with Ihe alleged per Es Ware& to die spiels that then asses w a pears lapaddea maim& ea the srodelltp et the pea* Asa di lam mute Lead the soils lad lad tvea mama& to the V II" 7 . l l=stt,'" g li h t peoltour to whet he lormor was neither mere nor Ins *la a bases. • (Bar, haw.) The bet pos. that the whale weld ess e rast . n i z Meer, hear.)ryup Them este So stiot of Te aw these w mie Sthelium et it het dander be vavainy,die gbh& Elias would eat Mi. The largo lam woollosa MS. Bat Mr. Warms pirsid to kg arse* ethos bellow demi sine, that the sea of each mold he LOW. (" Heer,"smillmaghter,) 0041 in am aeinsi the absurdity of such s ohms f The lam sad wail= proceeded at KOMI With to seed smug eel sr- Wiest" et the sillmainaftelleree Clap. Warner's et the Fate- lese had beat tad Whirrs. It boss said, " It is to.. the experiment has felled ea hey hot at sea, with a steamer able to sail in the wind's rye, the meth would be nuke diferent." Now the dome of Bt. Pooh was only 100 fast inalmnster, and that of the Plinths= lith and suing that NOM of them balloons ma be 00 feet le diagonal , . As disold think that a straws Ma a stiff lams. with two at those of them trisaix 1188111, would tad it ream awkward ma laL it =liter.) Hs weald mime to riddle than withshells at one rimeteao owe Waked pada This, these balloons were lies the hataberdatest pops rather expensive. But, ha hags% that woe net pert dCaptain Warner's selielne ; hod a pea to Ism his bd. loom. They were to be prliestedoliedherp their sheik, sad to Its drawn back by a Bee. New, slain that the rouge was to be four or Ova mass, be wadi leave the brew to ier s j i h t le N thof ii ” ."1.114 be worn', and, ?lades, nesiod the experiment with a punt, and this opinion was only confirmed by the explosion of the John O'Claunt. In that case Captein Warner had distinctly premised Mr. Sawa that the vessel was to be blown up by the long range, whereas it was done by means of shells, a steamer, and a tow line. He could only repeat the opinion he had expressed when he first read the astounding state ments of Capt. Warner, namely, that if the man believed them he must be mad, and if he did net, on imposter. He inclined to the more charitable conclusion, and believed that the propounder of such a scheme must be labouring under some extraordinary mental hallucination. (Hear, hear.) Capt. BERKELEY entirely concurred in the views or the hon. and gallant member. He begged hon. members, in the vote they were about to give, to remember that there were many Captain Warners in the field, and that if they conceded the committee they might expect to be inundated by applications of a similar nature. Lord INGESTRE said, that as he clearly perceived the tone and temper of the house, he should not proceed to a di- vision. Tao motion was then withdrawn. TRANSMISSION OF MAILS. Mr. FREWEN r05e.77,; pursuance of a notice that he would " call the attention of the house to the very incon venient arrangements that exist for the transmission of the mails in various parts of the kingdom." The hon. member said he could not then go into the general question ; he would only ask a pledge from her Majesty's government, that the case of his constituents in Sussex, who complained of great delay, should be taken into consideration. In the next session he hoped to move for a select committee on the subject. Mr. PARKER was understood to say that he would in quire into the special grievance complained of. Considerable time was required for the adjustment of the railway system, as regarded the transmission of letters, to the varied wants of the country. CASE OF MARY DAWSON. Mr. FERRANI) moved for" a copy of the correspondence which has taken place between the Secretary of State for the Home Departnieut and the convicting magistrates, relating to the illegal imprisonmeut of Mary Dawson in the West Riding of York•hire gaol." The hon. member stated that Mary Dawson was employed in a manufactory at Keighley. She was required by the owner to weave a warp, and, as it was a bad one, she refused to comply. She then went to work at another manufactory. Thu e other gir:s were required to weave the same warp, and were unable to do so. Mary Dawson was summoned before the magistrates, who tried to persuade her to gn back to her first employer, but she refused. Having left her first situation on the 10th of March, on the 13th of April she was taken from the mill where she was working, sod, in her mill-dress, was hurried to the Wakefield House of Correction, where she worked on the treadmill for three weeks. Her father applied to the ma gistrates fur a copy of her commitment, but could not obtain ft. He was happy to say that the Secretary of State for the Home Department, after releasing the girl from prison, had informed him (Mr. Ferrand) that he might have a private view of the correspondence ithich had peered, but he thought it would be best to have it made public. She was compelled to herd with prostitutes and bad charac ters whilst in gaol, and was disgraced by being placed on the tread-mill with them; her feet were so sore when she came out of prison that she was obliged to be carried home, and fur some days she was unable to walk. He did not know what the defence was to be, but in his view of the matter, the girl bad committed no offence against the law. He did not mean to charge the magistrates with acting harshly, or tyrannically. On the contrary, they were rather disposed to deal leniently. But other magistrates, taking the same view of similar eases, were punishing persons for these alleged offences, and it was necessary to restrain them. He thanked the house for having listened to his statement, and begged to move for the copies of the c wrespondence of which ho bud given notice. Sir G. GREY said that the hon. gentleman had correctly stated that the case of Mary Dawson had been brought under the notice of the under-secretary of the home depart ment, and that attention being immediately paid to it, a correspondence ensued ; but this did not imply that the magistracy had acted illegally. When the correspondence came under his notice, he was advised by competent autho rity that the girl had been committed on an act of parliament that had beennpealed, and that the committal ought to have been based on another act. There was no misconduct on the part of the magistracy. (Hear, hear.) Now the honourable member admitted their leniency : and in this case he (Sr G. Grey) was satisfied that they had acted far from harshly, and that they had not committed the girl until every means had been used to induce her to return and finish her work. With regard to the statement made by the hon, member respecting the girl's condition after she came out of gaol, he (Sir G. Grey) had seen the gaoler and had been informed by him that she never was en the treadmill —(a laugh)—and that so far from having been thus employed, she had been engaged in sewing, washing, or some other domestic occupation. (A laugh.) For these reasons he considered that he was justified in refusing to accede to the motion of the hon. member. Viscount MORPEIH entered into some explanation re sp.ting Mr. Ellis, the committing magistrate, vindicating the conduct of that gentleman. There could be no doubt that the magistrates acted from honest intentions and pure motives, and he thought it also more than probable that they bad acted in a belief that the committal was according to law. Mr. WAKLEY asked if the correspondence would be produced ? Sir G. GREY saM it would be contrary to the practice of the Rome-office to produce tie correspondence upon such a matter. Mr. WAKLEY mid that wu a new tact to him, and he thought it hard that in such a case--where a girl was ii. legally dragged through the streets—(oh)—and placed upon the treadmill—(loud cries of " No, no.")—that the corns pondence upon the subject was refused. He (Mr. Wakley) took this opportunity of saying that be thought these cases ought not in the first instance to be submitted to that house. The committing magistrate was a very good mark for any attorney who would show his commiseration for the injured party. (Laughter.) Mr. HUME said it was true the courts of law were open, and so was the London Tavern—(laughter)—but in both cues, only to those who could pay. This poor girt could not look for redress in that quarter. He must say that he thought great hardship woutd be done if the papers were not all produced. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the facts of the cue required no further comment. No assertion of the member for Knaresborou,gh had ►een proved, and many of them were distinctly contradicted. Col. SIBTHORP confessed he was scarcely satisfied, and that he saw no good reason far concealing the correspondence relating to the case. Lord J. MANNERS thought the papers ought to be pro duced, if only to show whether the member for Knaresbo rough or the other parties in the cue were correct in their statements. Sir (1. PREY said that not one word relative to the state ments oldie member for Knareaborough would appear upon the face of the documents referred to. Mr. HENLEY thought the government had acted very properly in this matter, and that there were no grounds for salting foe the production of the confidential correspondence. He bad no idea al sash papers being published merely to 1 urn ish meMse far ms ingenious attorney. Tha rnotisawnstasa put, and negatived without a division. cased the government of acting unjustly, and he called ma the house as Englishmen to pee justice done. Sir J. C. 110BROUSE said he also asked for justice bo himself, and he would put hefore the house the real state of the case. The hon. member for Montecee had altered his motion four times. First he had accused the Board of Control of illegal conduct; then of unjust and impolitic conduct; then ha said that, whether the withholding of these papers was illegal, or within the terms of the act, still it was impolitic and unjust; then, he dropped all these charges, and merely asked for twodespatchte, one of the 24th March, 1516, and the letter in answer to it. The hon. mem ber hnd since told him (Sir John) that the papers were so satisfactory that he did not think the conduct of the board of control was to be complained of. lie (Sir John) had con sented to the production of some papers, but not of others, because they were secret papers ' • in .his refusal he had be en supported by the right hen. bareruct, the member for Tani worth, and the whole house. The allega.ions of the hon. member were the most comj lete fictions that ever were attempted to be palmed on the public as facts. He had de clared that the governor-general had expressed an opinion of the perfect innocence of the It jab of Sattera. That was not true. Mr. HUME: Then produce the letter. Sir J. C. IIOBHOUSE : It was net true; and the hon. gentleman, in dealing forth charges against public bodies of injustice, illegality, and imbecility, ought at least to know the facts ; and be was not acquainted with any of them. The governor-general of laths had never expressed an opinion at all ; he had never been called on to express an opinion; and the hon. gentleman was nee warranted in any of the statements he had inside about these allegations. Of all his extraordinary statements, the most marvellous was that about the despatch of the 24th of March, one of those which the bon. gentleman asked for, but which he did not want. It was already printed; and Mr. George Thompson, of whom he should say something presently, had told the court of proprietors that he had found this despatch one morning upon his breakfast-table, but that nothing on earth should induce him to tell hew it came there. (Laughter.) The I hon. member for Montrose knew very well that that despatch could not come u 1 on Mr. George Thompson's breakfast-table except by a gross betrayal of trust—by violation of the oath of the person who placed it there. Why should the hon. gentleman ask for his despateh ? Ile would ask the honourable gentleman did he know how it came on the breakfast table of Mr. George Thompson ? (Hear, hear.) He accused some of the person a connected with this affair of baring tampered with the servants of the East India Company, either here or in Cal cutta, and induced them to violate an oath which they had sworn to keep. So far from the board of control being solely responsible, several governments bad been parties to this transaction. First of all, the government of Sir Robert Grant, at Bombay ,• then Lord Auckland's governm en t an d his council • then Sir James Curiae and his council ; then Lord Auckand again, and his council; then the court of directors ; and afterwards the House of Commons; in all, the question had been brought 19 times before the public; an d what had been the result ? Out of 2,000 proprietors in the East India Company, only eighty-two had voted on it—fifty-Ix against re-opening the question, and twenty-six in its favour. On one occasion there had certainly been a majority of two for producing the papers; but at the last court the chairman had reversed his opinion, and there was a majority of thirty six against the view taken by the hon. gentleman. From beginning to end this had been got up by a house of agency at Bombay, of which the hon. member for Montrose was the dupe and the tool. (Laughter.) The Board of Control had not gene beyond their powers in placing these papers in the custody of the secret committee, or the court of proprietors would have complained, which they had not done. When a fitting time arrived, he had no objection to produce this letter ; for after all. it was only one. One of the stolen letters leid been: published—perhaps the hon. gentleman knew hew it had been purloined ; the other letter he had no objection to produce. The board had written to India to find out who had stolen these letters; they wanted to know whether the hon. gentleman had stolen them. (Laughter.) Mr. HUME—It is rather too impudent in the right hoe. baronet to charge me with the theft, when I have been in England all the time. (Laughter.) Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said when an answer was received from India, he had no objection to lay it on the table ; and he staked his credit that it would disprove every word the honourable member had asserted. (Hear, Hear) Private conversations with himself and other gentlemen at the Board of Control were published in a pamphlet which he had in his hand, and the hon. gentleman took advantage of all this roguery. The papers should be forthcoming; but be did not think it right, because they had been stolen, that the hoe. gentleman should say, " Produce them." The correspondence between the governor-general of India and the gentleman who had charge of the Rajah of Sattara ought not to be published. So far, however, from its favouring the rajah it had the very contrary effect. How did the hon. gentleman dare to charge Col. Oran., who had the custody of the rajah, with forgery ? He was as good an Indian servant as ever existed, and as honourable a gentle man • and this was a gentleman charged with being a subor nerOf forgery. (" Hear, bear," from Mr. Hume.) Oh, the hon. gentleman again asserted it. Mr. HUME—I will prove it. Sir J. HOBHOUSE said the chant to of Col. 0111126 was as dear to him as that of the hon. gentleman, and he would as soon believe the hon. member would be guilty of forgery as Col. Ovum. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said he accused Col. Ovens of haring forwarded to the government documents with forged seals, when he had the seal of the Rajah of Sattara in his possession. Lord J. MANNERS thought that the right hon. baronet had not met one of the charges made by the hon. member for Montrose, and he considered that the facts were very clear that the ex-Rajah of Sattara bad been most unjustly deposed. (Hear, hear.) Ile hoped the ton. member would lose no opportunity of enforcing the claims of the rajah ; and, whenever he could divide the house, he should have his (Lord J. Manners') support. (Hear, hear.) Mr. WAKLEY said the right hon. gentleman bad vehe mently repelled the charges of the hon. member for Moe trose ; why then would he not give the exiled and unfortu nate rajah the means of defending himself ? He should not discharge his duty, unless he assisted to enforce the inquiry. A more atrocious case of persecution was net to be found na the annals of India, or any other country. (Hear, hear.) He was thanked but just before /or the manner in which he had performed his duties fur 20 years, and he was now plundered of his property, transported, and driven to de spair. It was because he would not submit to sign a document admitting his own guilt that he was thus plundered and robbed. This could not be denied, for it was edmitted by former go vernments. Why should the right hon. gentleman become the warm advocate of so much Injustice, for which not he but former governments were responsible. The hon. MM. ber for Montrose ought not to delay a moment in giving notice to bring the subject again before the house. Mr. EWAlt'f was of opinion, from all he heard, that this • question could not rest here. ( Hear, hear.) He must say that the facia adduced by the hon. member for Montrewe bad been most inefficiently met. (Hear, hear.) Let them bare f th orni e paper opinion pinbeifoo. for eth r th em . , id es end then en The ca they se Bode was enough to convince hint that the greatest injustice would be be Baron able c to i was done to individuals by (resentments, and that the house of Commons too often sequieseed in it. Mr. P. BORTIIWICK said that he could not understand how a committee of inquiry could be refused to the bon. member for Montrose alter the grave charges he bad made aphid officers of the government Lord PALMERSTON said That, at the present hour it was impossible for his right hon. friend to enter into a full refutation of the statements which had been made by the hon. member for Montrose respecting so complicated anticline as that which the house was now discussing. He thought that no satisfactory result would follow from proceeding with the discussion at that hour, and that it would be better to bring the subject at another time before the house. Mr. HUME said he was not to blame for bringing the matter forward at a late hour, the house having been counted out on former occasions to prevent him from bringing it forward. After a few words from Sir E. COLEBROOKE the subject dropped. The house went into committee of supply pro forma, and immediately resumed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obtained leave to bring in the following bills Bill to facilitate the recovery of the same of public money advanced for the em ployment of destitute persons in Ireland; Bill to continue, for a Naked time ' I the act 9 & 10 Vic. c. 4 ; Bill for trans pogrom et the Arp . o Canal Company. The bows then - oward at a quarter to two o'clock, until the Coumiesiteers of the Caledonian Cartel the twelve ea Meaday. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-POOR_ LAWS ADMINIS• RATION BILL. DIV MON OR Wad= of third vadat al Ude bill. Ara 106 ; Now, I. AWL T. D. Dram Mr D. Lteloi, Ica. IL Ralberte, K. A. Rua. CoL Walisloa a r. Mer 01. Sawa, H. K. T. Repasor, 1401 LS:F lue dol. Wcw.. ll. 8yr ........z. .. m 3lllol m . o . t , D. util b yy lii , A. T i ..B. L lssiir sid„.. , i tt. H 7 .6.. : 1 1. Issea4, B.C. Ita, C.I. Motlle, lit. la E IleWMet, LA. G., I•olly . a.Cp.Olhoar,. 711.11a.T.Mitehell, T. A. I r e:red o r v l . M.I. . B. 00=1,,,Itz=a::-L ~,,,.. C. &Mt.. ib ilko . A. Groww, T. C. 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CAM, J. Flom, J. Mbar% Oc.l. Wakley, T. Mb" W. Trews, C. IL layth, kr 11. lerrarad, W. B. " RAJAH OF SATTARA. Sir G. GREY mid, committee hod *Mae, h construct the chum al My. 111171q11 that moved for Oaplee et a *spate hoot the met'- at the Omit of Mostar* of thit Ea* ladle * w tCMt keddeledbile dee CloyeempOssetal et ladle,n *a &Aleph at dellme. *Jed the $lO day at Mink LIM; or soapy et *a mow of tlt= hoseasedle*pereasaoßmal et lift 1•110 tigrish ; —.----- Ilk mils at flip argonal costs rdinsd Is la that mraTir, or it Airsh of mg As Wan arida Mae lam ed ema' by dr pima Orramor.Orarni 'LIMY ta Onat Dimities et gambolled% Campokr, ar Snot* 'mutters of tlas Ewa IBMs Owen& rabritiog to taw owe of the Its r ltayalt IlMiera, from So paristar Ids arrival in India to the Breme dm. - The lea. geathera resegitelded the shendsiaosse of the Reath% ere. Eh Higfidess, detha of a nee unprincipled coorgiresy, bed been iebitterily delbreed by the Indies .01111111111191114 Withrli say admit= !tie teed of the ep isodes' amid wind kiss. Hi wedsr sweerive etheinistretions r yids him lopes his It* that be alibi prove, es he wasgroyered to de, Ids kassearit, lied all be rain ; and w ev in eryorit deems= le his peddles had been freely e p x me m dise=e4 to *Deena him bet withheld. It had bus maid *et the lefetentire ea tbh ewe met bed bees ado bid bees ebedesel. Bed what weft nett t Xr. Geer= eta the* log of the es= of direetees, steed the en elk bed been =de le the es•Rojek that if be =di his guilt, be *odd be removed heft Beeesee sad enbas elbw td to adopt the skill= bad selected es= seem= It bad bleu asked by the add= of the es= el dime= if this eft= met was true—the neat= id bees dieserood, sad Mejee Onerenter who bed charge of dr es.lejeb . , was celled up= te Piped Am= T hat mew from Major the light hew at es bed of Boni of (Ns Holase= had /WV wit Le lie enre= emu Ifigath*; 'ad yet Oat doom.=& weeM emedgede the =Baja foie all the Aeries beteg= eel= Mamas with hold. In eery elleendene that add imaged the =Raja 10111111 seeilly goodeed, ad all that oreeld esselpete bd Wm refesel the yedestion. He (Mr. Hem) prayd for a fell Weft into the ad=; be had ma who had Ilved le &dare reedy 011prodoes who, widdrees week, would paved the hire bed el the domes se* eat= the eitHedeb. To with. bill Ore deems= ens a denial of Jed= Nese the helesereise whisk this natter babas disernei the se= of dila Rest !die Deepen y bad voted, athees that these paper & add be produced, and reis *ft eyglieetha amid be a s s* to the mks boo. throe= (Oka. Rebbeese) hr *dr prodesties. What bad the right bra beer= dine t He bed eh*, oriniewledged the reedy& of the eteesuaisetha ef die w i t j et rectors; let brew then the be tooth lee are nodes of dues the if they were se sear Hedratate. wftles =id Were tb, amehr end inleare tbe Be= d 01=e1 it thh mese. note was 41 podded =as h, and the right boo. eeeihreea bed Nene lend essesseed to judge it The helms* of Led Deadeeeld erd Ilk Beheld whoa *owed dot lase of tide was au bar to the sossmideathe Oa dee. TM eel se ileum woe po to the use of the Beide of Tanjore. He dm*ey ely le added beds fir ea Wielded who odd set be Mad, hr 111.17 dim eves= to jellies wet sled egnieet bine ; the ==st wboen were head se hger= and eemplthey ea rn that wee waded wens of eseerteing we be truth._ If anything weld , pro . s egainst " be Wormikr .0 4 wmal ! , 0 0 rte ' nun, oensess, truth. anything Mold hi prove& aphid es he Odelle, C. IL Puller, A. IL Opeaser. IL 7; a m a R. pizuzz, esenatin elf ntherr o M m ilsellee about tea river and ca ll . enieeie; emu —' --- inrenTrbei ‘ oerro 'e ntlderte d e t t is es;l l e 4 V a n= o hreor (Hr. Home) woo l& be ear Mow tho hoatiosig the euthetheth tastshment .. •-• SO tle th en he )rated eithelo people sod (li eeseerteton the Cit(Yl.art ten ar.) aortae dle ."1"1" li te be Zia it i falur i e n rbut Z at adtattn d egM h el a ro l n w :rhei with *ea tans ballett e i tould aew gZ e e e that the have • of a ldel. DRAINAGE Am.—Application for loan which *P - assist It 48— 2 oeseetly he loped pediment w e set permit Seel( e• eve had boa mole ingarrasdly, before he saw the _ground, and (Bee., ay.) With remelt to the lorisibb shell, be badl epfraey sesedesed by the astheetties at Bombay. It aaa. was peered in the Lotzdon Gazette of June 22. Sir G. GREY said, thee deer the &Wien to which the triad with. when to imams* ea te the object shoed at. That monies ton faith in it than is the less midi. He believed it imposiblo Is make eat a stronger nee. He was not in a . Leah in Parise of I Waal a anneittee esise, it would be memory entirely to re- ViKoUnt MORPETR nil the sane meson which bit be had since remit* sag boil_ dins by rest lo r e the be trick, end that it widened mothing winde meld eet be prides t Meth the bete, or he would have dose He 0 • construe the dims of th e WU. This he could oot lope to Origtoolly iodated haw ow to withhold his consent to the natter in a letter to the 'obis Ind at the hoed el the mem- So:e with gunpowder. He had thought se whoa he wk. void die belie le gate up the cue. (Chem ) se as ac- J. R. thew I NoothettrelL Mater -- En° THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 26, 1847.