The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAT, Dic. 15. The Srakkalt took the dui/ at 12 o'clock. PRTITIONS PJ PJ _ INSTITVTIA. -EN favour of the supply of parliamentary papers to Mr claim Institutes:—B!! Kr. MACAULAY, from the Philo garbing botiaty of Edinburgh ; Mr. COLLIER, from Plymouth ; Mr. O. GORE, from Osweatry ; Lord BROOK It, lbw Warwick ; Mr. WTI ALLEY, from Peterborough ; Mr. GREENALL, from Warrington. • TAN BUDD= AND House TAT.—By Mr. HADFIELD, teem She/Bald ; Sir F. SMITH, from Chatham, against. THE MALT TAX. Mr. FREWEN gave notice that to-morrow (this day) he should present a petition from the hop growers of Sussex praying for a repeal of the Built tan. POOR LAW ORDERS. Mr. COBBETT asked the President of the Poor Law Board whether the orders of the board, issued op ~:ith of August last, bad been rescinded, and whether sny subati toted order had been prepared ; sod Viso when it would be issued to the board of guardians. Sir J. TROLLOPE said that the order had been re minded and a modified order prepared, which would be rioted, he bilieved, that day, and seat to toe bJards of guardians as soon as possible. In an answer to a question from an Hon. Mtn t RM. Lord NAAS said he hoped to be able, after the recess, to siring in a measure for the iraprovemert of towns in Ireland; bat it would depend on the busier•s of the ses sion, as he should not bring it is unless he bad a prospect of itspassing nea: session. THE LAW OF SETTLEMENT. Mr. WISE begged to ask the President of the Poor-law Board, whether there was any intention of altering the law alsettlement, or of proposing any change in the mode of charging the rates for the relief of the poor ? flar J. TROLLOPE said h.• had considered the subject. but it was one which required so much consideration, and was of so much importance, that it could not h , under taken except with the direct enacurrence 01 the govern ment. He had placed all the information be p asess.d be fore the government, and the subject was now occupying their attention. LAND PURCHASED FOR UNION wominousEs. Mr. WISE begged to ask the President of the Puor-law Board whether Own was any information in the Poor Jaw olSre as to the quantity of had which has been hired or purehased by boards of guardians for the purpose of culti vation by the inmate• of union workhouses ; and whether soy statements hay. been transmitted to the Poor-law Board, showing the result of the employment of the inmates of workhouses on tho land so hired or purchased ; and if any such infortnetion or statements hare been given or stmt, whether the President will place a copy of the same am the table of the house ? Sir J. TROLLOPE said he could furnish the informa tion required by the bon. 'gentleman of the quantity of land purchased or hired by boards of guardians for the pupae alluded to, hut the b Ards were not in the habit of forward ing to the Poor-law Board detailed accounts of the tiaantial Or moral results of such employment of the poor. The Poor-law Board only received sue It information incidentally through the reports of the Poor-law Inspectors, so that the information they possessed was very aware. If the ho.. gentleman wished, he would furnish the accounts of t►e laud purauctl or hired. TENANTS COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for the adju•trned debate Cia UM second reading of On. bill, Mr. .I D. FITZOERAND said he did not intend to op pose the wood reading of the bill ; be only wished to refer to what had °teemed on Wednesday morning last. After the debate was adjourned se arrangement was aside be tween the Secretary for the Home Department sad the hoc. and learned member for Kilkenny. that hie bill and that of the Anomie -Hymnal for Ireland should b referred to a select meinsittee ; and he thought that the right be.. gen- Unitas, m he did not dissent to the courts proposed by the Seeiretary for the Home Department, had assented to it; sad adamants some gentlemen es that (the opposition) side of the !muse were dorbtful shout the ezpa diem of studio, the bill of the bon member for Kilkenny to a *elect com mittee. where it bad • fair chance of being strangled, yet they assented to it. After that be (Mr. Fitzgerald) had seen with surprise the observations of • noble lord in issothu place, who, in putting a question to the noble lord at the head of the government, bad stigmatised the hill of the hon. member for Kilkenny as subversive of the right. of property, and se one which had bean twice re jected by parliament. as a communistic measure, and he asked the noble lord whether the arrangement which had been made had his sanction ? If the bill of the bon. sans her fur Kilkenny was • communistic measure, it was, he (Mr. Fitzgerald) thought, the duty of the government to oppose it step by step, and not to consent to the second reading. The noble lord at the head of the governmest, after the arrangement had been made, stated that he bad no bursar's is saying that the principle of the bill of the boo. member for Kilkenny was subversive of the nchts of pto party. sad w.arld never be passed by any parhaniest, and that the second reading had bees assented toady proforma. That rringulse proceeding was followed by one still more manatee cm the part of the Attorney. General for Ireland, and he (Mr. Fitzgerald) was about to quote • letter written by that richt hon. itentlemae, principally to give hiss an apparition,. for ezplanation. That right hen. pulsates wrote • letter to the editor of the Eremite: MU!, which is considered to be the organ of the government in Ireland, to the following effect : That he bad seen in his paper en senile headed ' Mr. Napier's compromise of Irish pro perty.' The charge preferred against him was that be had snowed Mr. Serjeast Shoes bill to be read • second Vote, and to go to • select eMakitte• with the bills of the gevesumeat. That charge was refounded and untnie. That wee plain langur t sad he trusted he had seed mash language as weld espllin his mesaing, and which was not to any cavil or the charge of ambiguity." Tint knows, however, was eyes to cavil sad the of - sislassity, for the nght hoe. gentleness did set okay that he bed ghosted to Mr. &wiliest Share bds. geed • mead that. Dilate t/a• right bee. reatlemes meat ? Wee he set in hL pima when the arrangemont win made ? He spoke twigs after ward', and he did not utter • word of dowse. Me Fitzgerald) complained that this was set Mart sod Mir dealing towards the Irish ambers ; sad he woad earn that irthe bill of the be.. member for Killieray less nab venire of the rights of property, sad wee • esesalahtle he should oppose it step by step. mad H show muck more was it not the duty of tAnjpoerienSent to elp pose it ? With regard*, the two tine Serfaia se zdat diereinem, be dimmed free. one Imam Y ll9 ile pristine, bat be sssested to the Idol* the dros s although he thought ease of the details '4eellemallh The bill of the primmest did set eeshis the pried* et property in improvnamita," but that of the ben. amber fee Kilkenny did. The he.. member esseleded hymens* retieg the secusity of setting: this impertast yaw ties, which was net merely as Irish. bat ma impend - Mr. add It woe es the pheelpleled stated by the hes. geatiestes—ties imperious of Ms as es espie temelles—eltat shoe lid he bed II& Reidy lei lo the mideeeesi 'Web its weelestie edimessise. It wok a ipeseties he had Rhea up es a plight warabir, and heihre be was • member et die ; mid he had hayed Mat 'brawl might he ew edited, if Meknes. est of deme. al treeTarre r i: they would have gless dims sp. mid. smiles elli mewled. sadism, have esdesessred mme meeme se this peat that would he hosed*. Is I The gelbet sow, like all Irish subjects, divided beat Isee the sod end the persimoi. (" Hoer, ben," eel a isedh.) Me moll Wee to the Bret piece to dm peesesel Me hod howl it stead Is ea Irish aneggeme that be bed essemeed wake pressen to die mese leaks el *shill of the hes. memb tee Messy; and it wee doted that it wee the geed ra m oseemmt elf the Indi party _doe bid alissined that semeal. MO sot teas. He had tell Me hes. sod leaned meseher is ILlikeese that it ems aid emmeiseg to melte em with ararism e. tab L e w ftwo....si. Me beim of Ihe bowed that the ebeesdler ef die use most be esseshed. ele• eided to soy arreogimeest, gad, as the Membet a lleill% Mesa Ms We win eat deers fee mend madam OW dews weft le Male hi ehLeetime is ths bit of the Ina ma Mimed amber 11. r seeseaseses et what had hers dead hy the les. member Me Mass thse night with regard to >b (Mr. Ifqpier's) hal he was dew Fell* ito send an images to Delft seat day, making at sesgemesee fer the amoduades of the ere hr the ties is meet inspertast telel - se whisk he M ble duty is selese, see shish wee to mime es ea eliseloy,, and ba mall dews es Tweedy night emend to ester ea tea tilesseses. Pelkshig dem his bill was ineeesilholis with Wt of the his. eaembes for Killteas ta e Melt he ee grted that deem gmtlemes who hod thessibee to asses so ether MI ties that of Mr. Crashed weed eater me Ile diesemies es the tees NM The delete west es, esd the hes. sod horsed member ter X made a wry Imp sod able goes*, sad be (Mr. 14=7, remembering thee he bee ea a hems, emesiss had rep, pottunity of eilassaii the doirei*tb,t it somaN he right that other seedless= he Mewed to speak. Ti. boo. gentlemen the riambee he Armagh was the tasty member on that (the miehearld) aide of the heaps who spoke, and he wu relieved by the hos. member ter Carlow a a very teaperate spaseb. He (Mr. Napier) wee admit by the Chmedier of the leshrepow te follow Ida, ash esswer the epee& of the hes. esembee he X ilkeway, hot et that ..mat the efiewromeet ',the debau was moved. Up to that time, be led so nodes bat that the dismiss mode go on. A divides took place, and his right hon. freed die tieeretary for the Dom^ Department, in whose heads ars Plc charge of Irish affairs, arranged with the hes. sod learned member for Kilkenny, that inseam% of pretended the debate an the principle of the two bin., as semi of this complicated details of the other bills would have to g, to a select risnunitte, it wosid be as will if they all west to a whet eve sitter, awl is the r. welt the bare weehl he in a batter sesditkie to ems to as aptelso wpw them. Hada, beard We elated by his right bes. Bead the Ikaastasy hr die Ham Depertenest—whe M knew was in llse *Mims hot a real moiety to get the bills iemseide= agenageneat had bees made, although it wee net the emu w (fit. Napier) wadi have taken, nor wadi be have weested ft that sevespiesent ; stilt, as his right hes. m i me gag ablaut of the affairs of Ireland, be thoug ht it wall hove best a petty proceeding on hie r. trw.part, If he hod got up aad objected leweiver ho vilest set have approved of it. ati the elleed and sew, batted eadeavourel to dear the Owl= OM, pommel part if it, and turban no desire of a geed code by whir.h the Matisse of sad truest is leased slabs be milled, he wield Wel to the house esd the mute whether is the serer La Isad_t#nt pet With there was ettig t it sight tittered is c, in the •17 fourih bill, other*. By theittelvel matter of importance, ~._ for, sad complaints had been ... often obliged to make improvements which ought to bin been made by the landlord. In that bill It wee erestrary to look to the *ligation of the I ,ndloril, who, Wes tonawt for life, was as likely to lose the value of kis u a tenant ; and when he cline to the Timens i =ige sals es. tion Bill he had to rube similar provisions. Them this was • bill for facilitating leasing power, and establishing, the principle of contracts bitumen landlord and tenant; and, indeed, the basis of the new code was to place the'! relations between legalised end tenant on the principle of contract. Th , third bill was one for the consolidators of ' the rights sod obligations if landlord and tenant; and then elms the bill now before the house. The objections to his bill had been reduced to two chases. The first objection which was taken by the learned serjeant (Mr. &dint Shit) wu, that be bad destroyed the tenant right of Ulster, sad the property acquired under that tenant right. He th ought all the other bills were open to that objection. Now, he was the last man who would he disposed to do anything against this tenant right of Ulster. He was • native of that province, and we. coasseted with it by the ties of lineage. Bet if hr had dope anything with the tenant right of Ulster he should have expected some opposition from the members connected with Ulster, but be had heard no observations from them. But how would it destroy lb. tenant right of Ulster, that was to sa the real tenant right of Ulster 1 He held in his hand a boo k published by the hon. and learned member for Cork, In which he referred to • statement made by Arthur boiling in 1776, that in the north of Ireland they cultivated, or rather borroned the soil, and also worked at the loom. By and bye, in consequence of the industry of the inhabitants, the district became more prosperous, and there arose en active competi• Lion for had, and the tenants diliosed of their holdings to others who wished to occupy the land, a practice which was encouraged by the landlords is may instance. ; be cause, when en incoming truant paid a price for the im provement of the land, that was appliedin payment of the arrears of rent doe from the out-going tenant. They did not do as In Scotland, when the arrange ment was made between the landlord and tenant at the beginning of the mufti, and both parties understand ing what their outlay was to be, there was ao scramble and no contest at the close. Dui in the north of Ireland the landlords encouraged the practice he hod spoken of, and in that way it was that this tenant right had grown up. Then, by the fall in prices and th- want of competition, the inte rest of the temente of course had fallen of. But nose of these bills touched the tenant right of Ulster, because they could not do it ; it was • matter of dealing with particular estates. Were they to legislate for the sale of the goodwill of the land t It they did not do that, they did not make a good taunt right. He said the only thing they could justly legislate for was compensation for tenants' improve ments. He confined himself to that. And did they tell him that he could not justly legislate nom that without destroying the Ulster tenant right ? With regard to the Meter tenant right, it was not created by it of paella most; bat ha had the report of the Devon commission, say iag it erm not wise to interfere with it by law. This he had the report of the committee of 1845, not touching it. Thirdly, be had the bill of Lord Lincoln and Sir James Graham met teaching it Then be had the com mittee of 1816, roessmendiag that there should be &clause that nothing should istarlbre with iti ned he bed also the admirable report of the liertheep if Friserh, relently pub• balled, which had • *Whir esseemmembatien. He was there fore fortified in the coarse he had taken of not attempting to do that which ought not to he dime, that was, to interfere by law with the private dealings sad private transaetioas of landlord and tenant. He sow else to the went charge male against the bill, which wag, that its machinery was complicated. Now, if any gentlemen would show him any machinery that was less eorpliested, se goo would be more glad to substitute It than himself. Hue be emildered that the complicated machinery was 011111111117. The maeldeery under the bill of Lord Stanley was mil men semlitated —it contained • system of imspeetlea. Thee there was the bills of Lord Limit and Sr James Graham, also very complicated ; eat thee the hill of t h e late government owe boa le the system of lupines. He confidently • te a somparivan of his bill with the bill produced the eimmittes of that "IC house with the amistancii of Mr. as to whether it was ant less complicated. Th.t bill provided for going I beria the revising barrister. Indeed of that pilintinary, Ihe gave the landlord the option, when be bad received noise of the tenant for any Inpreesserte—he gave him • %Aiwa of doing it himself, midi the. Lad Improve. mat Bill ; and then, if be undoes& to wary out the im prowmasat, the tenant got the ben" awl bed to pa y an oddities to his real for that loggeweenst. Bet if the Beard of Week. nowt= deg the Imseesimest node art be tor We limit of the dnia,tbest ft was rend= ' that he wee an bend le ge ea =Maw work. lie bed ' received a kiln go the easiest at tie MU from Mr. M. Clines, a Magee of gee of the Lewin gemosies of a farm ha Ulster, when tenant right woe quite as well mdse. MOM as in Bakes's', in which be said he in bill would do, and that it 0E614 Is ow, honest man. The Board of Anis bad in noir emeaties employed the assets themselves, who bad sun On simisage serried am sad= the ispeedea et the editors et the Beard of W sedl the tenants had emir= soMelmoe skill and le mode beiges ea their ma ftww They weld IMMO these imgeweisoli thew I sole= god by his bill they essid wore gemeggesallmo ter them. As tar es hie MB owe. ft yeah be a hew te the tenantry of Ireleed. Ni. Ifteses Crawford, who was ' imasairsd before the Boom imossiesioa, with a view to what be wished to mosampfth, said the object of his peepediea was to Wen On Wen to remunerate the await the t ee prelemmilea et the tenancy. He on ekedw lier io :stl a:4i: adjust the re nt, aid be re •• In my that is • thing whisk sansot be by ineeMosat." Mani Irwin geght to = "dated hi of gni. He wean seinefte to their being plated in Callhomien gold 1 and seat over is Ireland. This sublime had also bums ben. , died by the hew end leaned seember for Ceelt, wbo, in the beak be had =blithe& amill—•• It wend be ea dean cep te the latellisoe leaeat se be awe= that ale Yee of I balks& penis with clink had kr costs le be Ben by Juries or by em =her wine et ralealiga on ems of theme Medan whisli gene by the smiles , et On Maisie fir the et Use mobimatiel I Wei& hit Ow imeestleshis miaow It le the dew la- i to nibs boinedgesse teamed= as Um ohleik an y z ei i glevrallidyagonse see wish night sad is Ws I et fteemeatry .** Thee Illea-Teri, a great . I gait he midi age elle+ It teE i llelb that there assem = teed= le isiethre with the, ile s' r i i liisitheire- I mien the wait he peso= i that mud be I demi. Is sheen be eamefteteematis denme itheig= domed any ill which he Mlhsd Wail violate the rieseeptareperly. rt ON= what bed he . 1 as *meat Well. eseneorgisa hr him Wail Tire mega aseiia allow in !re es as yetis cirplo sir Night to be mils by the iodised = egesei. Orgesiese—iy the helmet It he awe he as Ong I sae by Ole =net it the boiled reteseL And I 741:7111esesse it was far the pails =el th at the I should he heemisially cultivated. Xi Mem= Craw. 1 ford mid be Masi le wan the ter= ftegg let his ewe= _an by deity of armed= 1 li he bed anise ern Wir. limes Oseertnes pee. • R He bid women te the s= the yggleelle _ei wait sow Owns et In mod he hail surd SO bin yeenesis In a lens wish egg% be eseifteel ha lie a esepeareery psi= ; mad il he gram laftelinel =ft by lb boiler& he gage bit the veins ell ft= It thew ogee say &OM 01==. r a dio be hhig mmisidessi. It I the ....... ow to. abort, let It be imagined ; it the I was to. es4Ced let it be ditililled. It. I .7 .= b• mess kteetban be abseil be it they I mole ageonspilsh thee Thee with ewe to tae I pesesenste whist bel loge =lee ter sman_yin • it they , =se le he maim MileitieW wader Wm Idli, the tenant 1 wadi he gemmemelsi ter the= gni he no as roues is I yeleletjommise why the maw mini set be sesepranted I fin sash iNfINGIIIII6. an he W boned e=erimies to i One ellat lay Ow bill of 1841 they were atabM to rasa 1 l oz e a=prowessate made vitalist its years. Ho had sot 1 We hit memo a glim =that bed me 1 noshed the ganglia et et =Mom= ' Ile (lb. Napier) did an onametene ft= the boa. god ' hented gentleman's errech went so 11.1116 In fewer of his sera Mil, as against that of the government. (Hoar. beer.) OM be (Mr. - Napier) lei is his howl Ur. illatlllia Craw lised'a bill erten ; but be ion aethieg la ft sheet We Blow ewes= It any peeps= olive Oar= mi n be thsk leipregoeseles mod Ms or the bill hi wimp.. «mod. It said that if the healed we le robe ds TISSO nod kis = resale= anise r.setwk. 1.„., l Engle dem= empeasellso he agile fteneeemsesto obit wen spelled, portlisi that wok b emire or brine the per law nimbi& (Hear. bus.) There =re so provisions for the adlualnest of rents; Or making impreeemeats the resrte_ et Ole unmet, er hr itaft the landlord to suuses ble property spinet Mt ma or to camel lasses. The preamble of the bees= 'a bill malaise_ 11l a miss which was rather mem logo Warm gni lows of whisk they bed =May week. (A limb.) It resit= that various leans bad been entered hie when prime were higher, and Matti that prices bed tallee, lad were likely tli Noah low. No doubt Ireland bad Worldly serried few meat legislation. 11. did net tomer ite say that dr mesh mot benefit in the end, brit is too meantime s a e wend haw to pay • heavy poise tse it. He found, by • lielmin be had to his hand, that, thsegh the geese aleph= inereawd, there were some mantbe is which set were than half the quantity of wheat wee yews that was pabeen is 1845. (Hear, hear.) Bulty hid wet ilia GO se itai, sod, whets the malt tax was reissued, its ;pewit would pro bably decreer. (Cheers and leragitter. ) Ibroarer, he leaned serjesat's hill contained a shows essopeliag Lad lois to cancel leases made when produse was sommending More rimunerative price*. (Hear, WO Ewa Hr. Shar orm Crawford's bill of 1848 ha t memo el these disposes donee, eons did it 5..-act the a amp., or the laity of tenors. Ile (Mr. X assertred that If a sa Meant made improvements as property of the Wa ived, which were to been= rated - in the ell,' HI would be contrary to the teat plea of the law of yge• party to soy that an abovlnte perpe tual interest in au* fradr nesseuts Nem' , r....ed In the tenant. In Bestiend —sad they were no CAI. there—(laughter and thesie)—• Wirmaittee of tenant* bad f: ported, that to be Keured in the eiessiae of their improvements (they wen ref=t is t &si fin ege), for years 'amid be • tenant cos for his rompostaarisi. (llu; has.) - Widt rogoodFitts IS the Water twat right. deo~9 dig his. odd lam& that isvolood dot weversey voloodas of tho _ . Mr. Serjeant SHEE rose to expire. The we, is the bill fair valuation," meant • valuation that wee fair. (Loud laughter.) Mr. NAPIER—But the hirers wr a matter deprive. It was • thing that mast be settled berver the roared and the tenant; and he aril erre Meer to ire/sr between them. It was • carearsiel tromeantims and meet be treated by the rules of tionsmene. (Beer, Mar.) lie would admit that there was in the present stair of Ireland an unhealthy competition for land ; but the parties must agree between themselves as to price; for rent was a pure matter of commercial bargain. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Shar man Crawford had proposed • most cumbrous plan of ar bitration. Each side was to seminar as arbitrator, and every one knew that that—particularly In Ireland—(a laugh)—was not a cry satisfactory way, for the arbitra tors generally received their instructioas. (Hear, hear.) Then they were to appoint an umpire, and if he did not decide they were to go to the assistant barrister; and, lastly, they might appeal to a jury. Eves the hon. mem ber tor the county of Cork said In his book that any at tempt to mettle rent by arbitration would prove a delusion, aad would only lead persons to quit a practical benefit for as impracticable scheme. (Cheers.) Mr. V. SCULLY protested against the right hon. gen tleman reading isolated passages. NAPIEIt would read, then, what followed. The hon. member said that the labourer might as well demand to have the minimum rate of hie wages fixed by whites ' tion or the farmer the lowest pries he should take for his cattle and sheep, but the result would only be that the labourer would go unhired, the sheep and rattle sabred and the land mart. (Cheers and laughter.) Neither the bill of 1843 nor that of 1848 had put forward any proposition like that of th e learned serjeaut for cool polling the landlord tqagerender hie land to the tenant. All that the tenant had a right to ask he (Mr. Napier) proposed to give him In the bill before the house • and in this way. If the landlord sought to increase his rot (which be must de by giving notice to quit unless the adhitfanal root was the Start would be seemed ht the pm - els& of his far such • period as would eampimmaim Ya he Ids improwsienei, so that the landlord emald net ems • MO*, mat epw him. (Hear, hear.) If the bill of the hem mud I pestleman opposite were passed, the Mailleeth would immedietely he served with notices to reduce a their rats, and if dr I refused, they would have le pay their ems& far what Wry had laid out, and to take beet their lend. Bat surely that would be a flagrant breach of the sestmet fate which the parties had entered. Me dill net deny that the tenant might have • moral right to a resitimemeat of Ile bargain now that the circumstances of the essay had bonne se widely different from those under which the agreement was made ; bet that was a matter to be left entirely to the good feeling of the parties; for it was impossible for legislation to interfere in sack a I era without striking at the very tiers of the law of contract, and of the laws which regulate commercial transactions. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, he arid aware the keen that he had long studied the subject, and that hie lets anxie had bees to frame the measure In • liberal milt towards the tenantry of Ireland. (Cheers.) He Surd that os both sides they would cast ride all personal car thirstier, and avoid those acres of reerireirtion and aMfe which had long rendered Irish debit's the °problem of parliament. (lieu, hear.) Such scenes word only retard the prosperity of Ireland, and defeat those hopes which her great capabilities might well entitle them to entertain. (Cheers.) Mr. JOHNSON ISSITTH, the new member for Lisburn , who has been elected ia the room of Si, J. E. Tannest , took the oaths and his seat. _ - iiiiiiCAB(i;;;;w44 the debate) quite ceacarred la the appeal of the right hoe. sad learned gratleman (Mr. Napier), but he had not dose justice to the has. geadense the member for Ends. The indurated/as which Lad been come to was, that there should be a fair committee— fair, not only with respect to the manner of its selection, bat as regarded the meaner is which it should pursue its inquiries. It wee undimmed that the hen. gentlemen who were to compose it would ester epos their task perfectly unfettered, sad with a desire to arrive at a wise and bun ion' emelosioa. Bat how stood the case now ? The INN* lied at the bead of the government had stated in nastier place—at least if he had been correctly reported— lbst whatever might be the decision of this consulate, esd however Tameable that incision night be, the eon litioene et the goanuneat was against the 11114•11111 of his has. soot liaised friend (torjeaat Shea), and to maintain tot asededee the/ were absolutely pledged. (Hear.) Tluit annuli altered the state of things, sad he (Mr. Leer) wished to be told by the goaraineat whether they were to eater into a mere illusory inquiry, or whether Hwy were to have a fall, fair, free sad sabbreed im tioe / (Men.) The right hos. gestionse hid Mg • IreKohniss te which he (lir. Lame), at a =j es t ! Dahlia, had hoes a party. He accepted that Is believed that tenant right was bediepeowsbkr easesesey ; but amid be Onetime go into ism sifts pledged menet inquiry, ad with a hater ninths on to lot my sow light honk is opts hit Wed ? (Cheers.) The roma he AMNIA le the saw of of the right hos. gesiyeses night Se berthed is ISO weed. H. wished to hem a nmeore that siond M owe of meservatise. (Chesen) Bet the MI et the right km. madames wee set • semerem of Oda menerrative form ; but it wee, is its very prisdpie ed emenes, a rem lationary gemems (Cheers.) It wee • Ma that would create aa estkeiy mew girder a thing—s MR that bad nothing is seemess with esything Eddie is lath society. (Cheers.) The Oak hes. madames la amok npso the =ciple amegmmetis i g a gde ; per earl iesay it not be bled thee hie barbs be tree in En g- seed, but he (Mr. Leese) ea Meld that it was ',pH • sable to Ireland. Hebrews has. mob le the Deem Oessaasinn, and he (the hea. member) did set wish to *pato ear improper mistime to the grisdemrs who had eidseled that inquiry ; but he wee, seddheime, entirely Osatielled with the result' te width they bed arriveL There had been no emmistis attmst ia le d. c um u i p the ease a the mead ; the people a de% at the Met dodos ha mod dam gestimed Mgisee if peed* ask dams Woe paellestmet. Is adi •I Meet of de Repeat a die Deem Cemmleass," it dm dad to be • very deeded mist whether the Maki bed Lid rest epos the impememests of their tesidle I ad is a week whisk had bees wrings snider the simeidimileme a the debt km. gentlemes (Mr. Noddy blemelf, it wee piellivdy aided that Tem few mash ems added. New It wee lake impwielble Set lid mil be(Hew led) The whale vestal a Imbed bees eadmated INIS et 4,111020.1. eeeriy e het it was straw* new at 12,1100,811111. (" Eau, boar." ad a durum se illsoutt) Well, the lest pear law whelks gam it at .11,1/10,0001.; and he wee, thetelbre, a delemest ma maim the mark I. paling et 12, (Ler, hear.) These tie or saves millkse, this, and ham berm crested by gegmbedy ; sad, every owe angled that had set hoes dem by the land. Mein. Them amid not be the shadow ef • doubt that it led bees amid by the tellellie, sad this se half ef the =iseweered err raked, is es the land, bat es their (Chews.) Ose geed reams wh Irish Ihesmiese weee se dietesead to perlimeest, odd p y erhaps te the pubis geamially, wee the ha Net the Irish Maude were • laden. sad Improvident rim Est eimpaki that with those of Me Nesbit lewd *bet weed be the remelt / Is the Ise{ edam et Perturb " Pommes of the Nation " r too, It wee doted that the rental is bed ambled *nee 171111._ aleu hear.) Thee it be ems that the ealemeidedad ilmanad IriA lessetry—(vies of " Ns, se!" esseler odes sf " Hear, buin—ths Wombed and lambed Irish tessatry— wlso lived is miesseble seiteas bemuse they and is Um is better, _led edged= amid Ms head name 'nem drol ulds theleO—aer hass)—and why woes treks Nell bemuse their ' Wales& wad not let them wear breed =l6j sod* imemed mad a their misery ea is the SIM dm% ea the lemillesis and torte Mk eempandim together with geed be= ebie li tte. (Led deem) New he (lb. wee met egyieg that bilk ',dealers wag le be asss. Wilywith 266116 h ; bat if they would iseedimate Newt M the bet kelt eestary, they wadi ad tbet the Mesa bed made awry elld within Me seem and MI dime much mere than he hod had esseersgemist to do. (Chem.) He Nisi es the bend, thereby*, not to ahead the peeled wasp. meat, but only to giro to the isasetrioes eased the 1111 .0 cell big own property his ewe. (Lae, beer.) He ems* new to W wised= is perk*. Desliked theSeelebe weed mb a r= or aestbsd. If sass leek bad Is Undid - at a greed rest of 101, ad built a beam epee it which he was able to let at 401. or 5111. a year, kerbs the whole period of his bending lease, the gest wad be sudsiest set gay to pay him Interest is hie rally, but to legion his eapital with a fair bridle relit at the end of the tens. That was of come petting an mitre= OW, but he bred sty) that the uses principle would apply to Beglid ad late agrieultare. But wee that the ere with Ireland I (Hear, hem.) The man I. saglsod, drum be hisi sopped eft. Whims le a Maladies speeslaties, Ma the seed absolute sad entire peemedes *Owed se keg as lie lOW 1101; bet Is bated, Ile mom lb pemedes a the improvemmits wee set Me *nest wbe led made lie% bet the ladiesi. (Hear, hear.) The poor rack-rested 11111ffilli lived to the and of his term like - a WA soseedmee like a b a sea with a gig, is something very little th:n u is pis am s a sew the t ht hon. gentlemen o ff ered lie pri of being robbed for 7, 14, go 21 years, w " (Cheers.) Wu he}esess4 a drawing . : eddred . picture ? Well, thee, be Wit to big head de re is the Encumbered Estelle Oommisidted te Lord Climedon, dated May 3, 1851, sad Is bet dessmea it wag debit that the rents charged were " iongamy M -611•111111 far beyond any BUM that could by any peedliflity be milested from the tenants." (Cheers.) In the twenty of alikesay there were whole districts to which It was the egMeln to put, as a matter of course, impossible rents up-n gbellosantry. (Oh, oh.) He was not saying that this ME in rd, but be wag speaking of particula r and Imp that would offsets* by thin bill. And this this" c ede as a custom by good landlords and bad alike--the geed landluid not attempting to enforer, or enforcing with ISesething like mercy, these imptesible rents; and the bed mime the power they gave him, whesever he had SIMON for doing so. Thug, whoa as election mourred, did set opium% himisid is a senile tool the est end Its arrears were sidieshil. (Cheers.) what toad they snake • ennweamilsi peeled e that t (Hear, hear.) In the NW of wee • certain property contaiting 81 , tenants 'stands. It was tolerably well seassged, and the .4 tolerably wormier. The land was not par te and the rent of the whole before 1790 was . Bs. Bd. per Irish acre. Daring the war the .• 225. 10d., and at present it eras 18e 3d. pa (Hear, hear) The tenants had no leases, but were meetly tenants at will, and the highest rents that timid a• e t bad been charged—for he was bringing no =e•f extravagant extortion—and so they had been t* their present amount. Nineteen of the tenants Ind Wilt slated horses (seven of them with two stories) bowies 1826 and 1810. Lord NAAS asked if the boo. gentleman would give the names Mr. LUCAS only desired an opportunity of proving these facts before the committee, for ha challenged . investigation. bet he must decline to run the risk of injuring the poor people whose muss he was pleading. (Hear, hear.) Ten of the tenants bad stout-drained (most)y with drains six yards *part) 240 English acres, or one-fifth of the whole property, the exact proportion, as stated in the July number of the Edinburgh Beaune, of the drained land in the improved counties of Norfolk and Bedford. (Hear.) Twenty-three of the tenants or their predecessors had re claimed from bog or rock no less than SOO English acres; and the buildings on the estate paid a rent of 1271. a year, of which 1201. worth hail been erected by the tenants at a 1 cost of 4,0001. Daring the whole period the tenants had been paying rent upon the full value of their own improve. I masts; and it did happen in at least onecase that the original rent was more than the land was worth even when improved. In 1790 the father of two of the tenants (brothers) had been put in possession of 83 acres, which was now culti vated in two farms by his sons. They had made the Ctr on ende a Ti m ee v t e . me 4 ta ain t at tl i ett e lt: l d w iat e° :e l e d n hmaurcdilly make lion from this estate; but, theism, in some cases, where farms had become vacant, the landlord had been compelled to Ist them, with all their improvements, at reduced rents—clearly showing that the tenants who had made these improvements had beton rack-rented in thane. [The honourable gentleman then men ! tinned some other instances of a similar nature.] The general result was that, in regard to the condition of the tenantry in that part of the country, they never had been so badly off as they were now. He would . now bring before them anoth• r class of ease in which the tenant was equally deprived of the benefit of his improvements. When a tenant expended his capital or his labour in improving and increasing the Taus of the land, what he wanted was, not merely good terms but twenty, in order that he might go on making further outlays, so that be might cultivate his Lad to the best advantage. If he was deprived of such se aunty, and the landlord, from political or religious =dyes, interfered with his teaantrv, that wee another reason why the t should not be satisfied with what the right honourable and learned gentleman called the compensating period, as a sufficient compensa tion for his outlay. He believed the shortest eons rasating period his right hen. and learned friend snowed for drainage and similar permanent improvements was 7 years. This would bring them bask only to HIM; there fore, In point of fact, the eompensating period of *soups tins with which the right hoe. and leaned gentleman asked the Irish tenantry to be satisfied with was the 7 years of famine, when all the Want could possibly make was just sufficient to pay his landlord his rent Was that any compensation for the capital and labour ezpended in adding to the permanent value of the property ? When they Ink this into account, and the feet that the whole pro esorie of the landlord had been already ahmehan b the MGM llimelf be the shape of rack reels, be drunk' he W mete mat a ease in favour of the Irish Slant es against thin pert of the bill, and in favour of the propceal of his • end lemsed friend (Mr. Eistrjesat Shoe). The mei. skim of hie M. and 1 d friend's bill u ith regard to the Ulster Mee( right depended not so much on the recital r M ass weerkiog enactments. The right hon. and lamed gandeman differed with that side of the house as , to what the Dieter tenant right was. But that bad Minn to do with the cam. He was by no MOM 1111 be understood as giving up the recital of the bill, but he need not if the words " Ulster tenant right " were Meek eat for all that it had to do with the reel question. TM sem put forward by his hon. sad learned friend's bill was simply thi- —That whore it could be proved there was e custom in existence giving to the tenant anything over and above the valee of the permanent improvements cre ated by means of his own labour and capital, he should here by law so much as that urge and custom when proved would entitle him to. That the custom differed in different Indid not affect the case at all. The same thing existed in many parts of England, but there was no difilculty what- ever in establishing what was the local custom in each locality. His hon. and learned friend was not, therefore, reduced to the necessity of defining specifically what the Ulster tenant right was, and of applying it in one particular form in all localities. All that would be required to be done was to ascertain in each cam if any particular custom of tenant right existed, and if so to adhere to it. (Hear, hear) The bill of his boa. and learned friend differed from that of the government in this essential particular, that It ensured as ponied= to the tenant for the improved vales which his industry sad capital had created. He did not wan to say that the present ministerial masers was worse then others which had preceded it. ()a the wastrary, he believed all the government bills which had hoes brought is had been equally bad, because in sane of them had the ease of the tinsel been fairly dealt with. Of the present bill he might say that the retrospective clauses would confiscate all Im provements already made, wad the peospective clauses ren der it imparibb that improvement should continue to be mad*. He Weed the right lese. and learned gentleman would mph" dr time between chi and the cammenee meat of the Mem et the essomilette in reemideelog the vanities of somposeeeng peeledo e so he bed receasidered his origienl aviation with regard Se retrespeetive cempenna ties, and Who did so, he (Mr. Imo) bad but little doubt that they would arrive at a setietteligy malt. On his own peek and that of hie Mods atmeerisise, be assured the hum that they were nag drifts or rases trig property, dikar s • the sae side or the Mhos Their object was to mho Whine seorte pospirly end le assist the right hoe. and learned ma n e, if hi weld allow them. to Moat &just and sariameagy settlement ef this lens agitated Zl:isad thee is swab kis, by assamij or urealor s s n e 'lreland than had hitherto bees her, to raise an imperishable mesment to his orta li C seer. (Cheers.) Kr. DRUMMOND obsenell that the boa. gentleman who Dad jest _sponse mimed to noose that the Melo et Mee liSh weee to be emit to a select own ' mine% skits sheets bass Me power of lending for persons eat end ef into tams ; if that was to be He same, M bile weld remain Wore the committee all Me swim end es** week he dens. He admitted the Melt Mimi dot bed boss said es the ember side, both with mewl to Miele end tosses. He believed too, the Mw was now alledae deal wish the essialato of • large body et as* ma. (Chasse.) s be lieved MS fm the of imams, all that was on the Nand In Ireland had been platted them by the tenenin themeolves, sad it was only jam that they shoal be 11101111111 in some way or other in its pos. mien. (Hear, but.) Bet his dillienity was In dealing with the isseties by legislation. If this bill were for Tabbies or Wales, he Should certainly oppose it, and they sent only pressed with Its wandered= on the_ ground that Irdeed was aliogetker en emptisnal ease. With regard te the landlords, if they were unlike all other landlords, abeam thatch Dutch, or Chinese, as it appeared Wry leisgh)— t hey mast take the consequences ; km the me nes eieeptimml, inasmuch as here was a large = s e a t esi pmense Mooing to be relieved eras what they to he a great hardship sad Wankel, and he Meet roller meld be obtained in no other way. The lm a:lea ea how was Me to be done? TIM boa. apposite had spoken of a revolutionary I mason ; wee Mr. Sharman Crawford's bill, which to some Meat was equally es with that of the At. teensy General for Ireland. According to the law of Great Britian, all Sutures met the landbehaved to ;this land. The revolatiesary pMelple mcogaised I. tech of the mamas was, that they should no barer belong to to. landlord but to the tenant. It was time that lithe ease was to be met, they must devise some machinery for the pur pose; but, what he wished to be understood was, that as the ease was exceptioaal, the law to meet it was also exceptional, and that it should cease when the exeeptiml eirentstmes which called it into existence were removed. For his own part, he did not like excep tional legislation—he had always regretted to ate the word Ireland introduced into particular sots of parliament, con sidering, as he did, that every act parsed ouriht to MEM Is Ma es well as Ragland and Scotland. The right hoe. gentlemen (Hr. Lucas) had objected to the term premed as OSSPIIIIMIUOIII for drainage in seven years. He (Mr. Drummed) would give Ito opinion as to what might bio a fair tens In Ireland, but In this countris he had seen ex posses incurred for drainage and irrig ;non completely re- Mid in two years, while in others it would not be returned Is several. He mentioned this to show that it was impoe- Ale to lay down any general rule, but thatuome cheap and reedy machinery must be devised by which a poor and ignorant man could obtain ready redress. (Hear, hear.) It, trusted that the members of the committee English and Irish, would go Into th e i nqu i r y determined to find a remedy for the evil before they came out undeterred by what they might hear on the ono side or the other. Bar J. It . SHELLEY reminded the hone. that there were two sides to the question, and warned them lest in giving compensation to the tenant they infiicted an in justice on the landlords. (Hear, hear.) He thanked the government for the desire they had evinced to bring this question to s satisfactory adjustment, and he hoped the Inquiry of the committee would result in subetan• tial benefit Lord NAAS thought his right hon. and learned Mend had clearly proved that the hon. and learned gentleman's bill was antagonistic to that of the government, and that coosistently with the principle of the one the other could not become law, but as both referred to the some subject, it was thought that they might be referred t oget h er to the same committee with advantage. Ile had, however, no doubt that the decision of the committee would be confirmatory of that to which the house had arrived last erasion, when it rejected Mr. Sharman Crawford's bill on the second reading. His (Lord Ness's) ejections to the principles of the hon. and learned gentleman's bill, which was the same as that *fleet year, remained unchanged end he believed he wee correct in stating that every member of tht. hence had made up his mind on the subject. The course taker, therefore, was nothing more than transf err i ng th e dis t .. don of the question frem the b• iuse t o a se l ec t committ ee , eV. ry member of which wool.; h ire previously decided on the side he would tedth With regard to the statements 1868. Made by the boo. member hr Meath, be had beard statements more likely If hied to erroneous conclusion.. He rejoiced, however, to be enabled to confirm that hon. gentleman me to the Improvement going on in Ireland, the darkest hour In whom history, be believed, was now post. (liar, hear.) Not gradual, but rapid and sudden im provement, was spreading over the land, good prices were obtained, pauperism and crime were diminisking,a wholesome system of emigration was in active operation. (Loud cries of "oh," and derisive cheering from the opposition Irish members.) Yes—though he might regret the exodus of so many thousands of the people from the land of their birth he could not forget the happy change to which those people were going, and how immensely their co. dition would he improved—(more derisive cheers from the same quarter)— that thole who were now lining in misery where going to where they would enjoy wealth and plenty—(cheers re peated)—that those who were now living on potatoes, salt, and water—(derisive cries of " hear, hear ")—for that was the truth—were going when they would be able to get plenty of bread, beef, and beer—(renewed cheep)—that they were leaving • country where they paid high rent for their land—(hear, bear) —to go to one where land could be had almost for nothing—that they were exchanging a country where, from over oopulation, the competition of labour was so great that the industrious counties of the people were paralysed, for one, where labour was in large demand, end that they were leading habits of idleness for those of industry and enterprise. (Hear, hear.) He believed there was hardly an emigrant who had left Ireland whose position had not been enormously improved, and though they might regret that so many were obliged to leave their homes, still they could not but rejoice at the im mense improvement which must result from their emigra tion. The bon. member for Meath had attacked the land lords of Ireland, and had asserted that all improvement in the land wan made by the tenants, who were often deprived of the legitimate advantages their improvements ought to bring them. Now, though there were good and hod in all claws, the landlords, as body, did not merit the wholesale condemnation which the hon. member had heaped upon them To whom was owing the great improvements in agriculture which had Liken place of late years consequent on the in troduction of machinery soil better modes of cultivation To the exertions of the landlords, and to the exertions they had made and were still making through the means of the agricultural soeieties and otherwise. (Hear, hear.) And who we. it but the landlord. that had expended two Mil lions within a few years under the Irish Land Improve ment Acts—on their tenants' often as well as on their own land? (Hear, hear.) He believed the tenantry of Ireland as a body were ready to admit that they h a d rece i ve d great and solid advantages from the efforts of their landlords. The hon. gentleman had said that one reason why the Irish tenantry had not kept pato with those of other countries was that their rents were too high. In that user. Lion he (Lord Naas) thought the whole secret of the tenant. right movement came out. The real object of the movement and of the society with which the hon. member wassonnected was to lower rents. (Ministerial cheers.) He altogether denied the statism= made by the hon. member, that as • rule improving tenants were harshly or notably dealt with by their landlords, or that they were deprived of their holdings without that compensation which was dos to them for uaexhatuded improvements; and the instances adduced by the hon. member, if true, were entirely exceptional, and append to the general practice of the country. He believed the bill of his right hon. friend had given great sati.faction to a large body of the Irish tenantry---in fact letters had been received from tenants in various parts of the country expressing their satisfaction. They (the tenantry) had been so long disappointed and deluded by false premises and false hopes, that they knew now could never be carried nut, that they were gratified to find a real sad substantial measure was brought in by the forenames' for their benefit, ensuring them compensation in every case in which they were really entitled to it. The question simply was,after all, should they refer the bills to a select committee ? The principle of the government bill was that compensation to tenants should be allowed for im provements made, but the principle of the bill of the hon. member for Kilkenny, which went to legalise the tenant right of Ulster, threw over the question of improvements altogether. (No, no.) Yet the teaant right of Ulster, which differed in various localities, did not proceed upon the principle of compensating for improvements. The bill of the hon. member confined the landlord'. right to the soil only as it came from the Creator, leaving every thing put upon the land, every improvement, whether made by the outgoing tenant or his predecesson, tho property ab solutely of the tenant. (Hear, hear.) Then, again, it gave the tenant at any time the right of cow. palling a :readjustment of rent. Now, he rgreed with the hen. member for Montrose as expre ss ed last year, that any measure for settling rent any other means than mutual agreement between lan dlord and tenant was nothing kw than communism. It further proposed to abrogate all arrears, and to wipe out the debts the tenant had voluntarily incurred. It was impossible to say that a bill proceeding on such principles wan not in effect • confiscation of the landlord's property. (Hear.) In the committee, as in the house, he should feel it his duty to take the same course in opposing such a principle. He admitted that the claims of the tenants of Ireland were irresistible, that legislation was absolutely nursun, and that it was impossible under pre sent circumstances to apply the same principle for Ireland as was applicable to England, and with a sincere desire to legislate with fairness nod in justice to the tenants, with whom his sympathies were—(bear)—end believing sincerely that his right hon. and leers= friend's bill would go far to meet their claims, he should ge into the conside ration of the question. (Cheers.) Lord WIONCK had already stated that no settlement would be satisfactory to the tenantry of Ireland which did not re cognise a right of property in the tenant in such improve. meets as were put upon the land by means of his capital or his industry. That was the only settlement which war based in justice, and with which the tenants of Ireland would be satisfied. The fault of the bill of the government was, that it ad mitted this principle in respect to buildings and ma chinery, but nut as to all other improvements. Extend the same principle to all improvements, nod be for one should be satisfied. He objected to the complicated nature of the right hon. gentleman's measure. The Irish Timber Acts (6 Geo. III.) gave the tenants a legal right in the Woke pistol by themselves. That was • case entirely to that of tenants' improvement., and why should rat ? Where no specific agreement existed the Mesa' should have • legal right Is whatever increase is value he might make in the land. Hr. WHITESIDE contended that his right hon. friend's bill powided for all that was or could be fairly ilmonsded by the tenant ; mad it for it by a eer ie= aleeal, and a readily machinery. Every lituyeriga of the Devoe Ceemaidem hod been adopted gerarantost, hots the hey mut beyond the re commended= of hot ohowittli s art If t he rash timid be to hobo the bill wee and moo histrotory With to elhorally, he MO. should rejoice. road to the hon. sod Wm& patinwma's (Mr. Serjeowt Shot's) bill, it was wrjunt h potwohio and int geohitaido in its details. Kr. V. SCULLY could sot snow thu WI to be read a soma time without protesting against it in its principle owl its detail.. Th.bill gra; tee■ read . woad tinge, Mr. WALPOLE presaging to state to-morrow when the select committee should be appointed. The be... then adjourned at ail o'clock. PUBLIC OPINION ON THE BUDGET. MANCIZESTIR.—Yesterday a numerous meeting of the Manchester Town Couocil was held, sad at the close of the proceedior is the afternoon, Mr. Councillor Btracey enovid that a petition be prmented to the House of Com mons, praying it to reject the budget for the increase and extension of the inhabited house tax, sad aka praying for the repeal of the duties on soap sad paper, is preference to the proposed reduction of the malt duties. Mr. M'Dougall seconded the notice, which was supported by Alderman Hopkins. A discussion took place, in the *sane of which an amendment was moved negativing the original motion. Upon a division, there were 37 votes for and 4 against the motion. Ni •Trus—Yesterday at noon a publie meeting was held at Neweastle•on•Tyne, when a very strong resolution was passed against the budget. EDINBURGH.—On Tuesday the Edinburgh Cham ber of Commerce resolved to petition the House of Com mons against the feminine of one-helf of the duty an malt, and the theolleasdentineka end doublieg iithebenes tax. The MOO day the Edinburgh town men ial ammireeuely adopted a pithiest* the snow offset on the soden ado lima Provost, who usetsubid that the mak es: 'einholen was not called for , and would art benefit, the public, end showed that the is the haus tax would ass U IN Edinburgh the am et 11,7112/. betted of whhh it now realised there. • midis was also node by Oinaidllor Dick to petition against the attending lithe insane tax to incomes below INL, bus was lost by 12 to 16, several members reprematiag that this motion might endanger their success in the other °West. The pe titions in both eases were ordered to be sent to Mr. liseaulay for presentation. CHATIImII.—On Tuesday, a public meeting was held at Chatham' on the same subject, the High Con stable prodding. A resolution was moved sad earOod, de claring the provisions of the budget to be estersenvs and unjust. The resolution was carried by atnimatatloa. CURVILINEAR OMNIRUS.—Mr. W. C. Scott has patented, and is now exhibiting in the Bazaar, King.street, Portman-square, a vehicle which he calls the " Curvilinear Omnibus," and which be states, and no doubt supposes, is • novelty, though we fancy it will be a familiar machine to those who have travelled In the northern towns of Bog- I land. The difference between it and the ordinary Loudon omnibus m slight, but important, consisting in the panels at the backs of the seats being rounded, instead of flat, thereby increasing the interior space, and (each seat being I separated trout tie others by arms) greatly increasing the commodiousness. The " Curvilinear" omnibus is obviously a decided improvement, simply as any greater width in aa omnibus would be an improvement ; but the width is still insufficient for comfort, and when we do make a change in the metropolis in this direction it is to be hoped we will go to the perfect. at once, and (Temple bar and other im pediments h'.ing removed) adopt together the Parisian om nibus standard for convenience, and that of New Torts for speed. TDE CONSERVATIVE LAND SOCIETY.—The execu tive committee, on Tuesday last, elected C. L. Gruncisen, Esq., the 'secretary of the society. Kr. Oruneisen has be, n connected with the public press, at home and abroad, for many years. THE EXPRIIOB,. Tliily3D4,7 . EVENING, DECEMBER 18, ...4. • • v . _._ . Us be had not done hie tee:ti — Ti that ob: glis ) was plowed' s * r Ham Oust did sot sandlot himself u a sena, tool tbe tb regard to thros 0 the • b legs IrNaad, t the pilesi ran inspossibla rent and It. rrrrrrrrrr enforced. (Cheers.) no substaatial aisbatina to. aciplej • , tubas bars th• . 10MOty Ms Ludt,* ; Well, now, what could they make • compenaatiu period ' g m be i i m i r tould bg cap N, bat ogrek,.4 / th• Marta ba bagroud wag ma la • eon like that / (Hear, hear.) In the ounty of Hil- committee ; anir t beta pissed Imp~elfalewhi Ole thareaskkost Howsfte nap, that keno, Nero was • certain property containing 31 tenants lof their beiag ',gird to-The tO make nraproussub is author soda's lapd aught to de- and 7 torralands. It was tolerably well managed, and th• I, it ought ant to be iffliliftglid Man boat the pries the owner et Na freehold. (Hut, (tur.) H. (Mr. landlord was tolerably popular. no land was not par- Sy one of the bills he bad prodiall *55 landlords Napier) knew that this susteary opinion wee popular, but titularly fertile, and the rent of the whole before 1790 was s should b , *stabled ft mail Ispieweasits. a that flu was famed in Monk*. (Haar, hear.) At the about 3201., or Be. Bd. per Irish acre. During the war the importance, which had not bees balm provided um time, be was twat wlaspal la treat the limit in the rent roes to 225. 10d., and at prevent it eras its 3d. per [uplands had been made that testast• had bun most libiral 'hammy, is .. ... the lotted to his allowed Irish acre. (Hear, hear ) The tenants bad no lessee but . EgillC==lo enaysz. TO COICItEBPUN DENTS. • , r,tbd MU= 7'he kaprem,“ nanta'aing ne scut eeeeire. "4aeaat ,^M palb , irbetl .eery Tucelay awl erday . far p.a. leertamweataleUnded fee " 7 be Et el eat...bae must be at the (Mee, Ilwiaaria-atroset, .7 Tiro ( 47' /ay Ihe a publication. HIGH WATHk Al' LONDON HILIDSR Tau DAT —Morning, SL. a-- Afterneoa. Sn.Ssen. To.sosaim—Morillar, 61. 19s. Aftenlo.a. G LONDON, THURSDAY, DECEMBER le, Tee protracted discussion on the first proposition of the Budget will, it is probable, terminate to-night. Every day's delay has added new strength to the opposition which that ill•starred project has encoun. tered, and has more and more alienated men of sagacity and independence from a disreputabla came. Party feelings may deter some from openly voting in condemnation of the Ministerial scheme; and it is nut impossible that some names will be missing from the lists of " ayes " and " noes, " w hose absence may more easily he regretted than explained. But the true result will be denoted, not by a nominal preponderance of num bers, but by the worth and might set in the scale of opposition against the helplessness and hopelessness that characterise the sopporters of Government. Ministers have played out their game of shuffling and evasion to the last; and w hether the tables are overturned, and the gamesters compelled to vanish hastily from the scene or not, the stakes are lost and their credit gone. Whatever may be the numbers on the Jinn, and its piuhable effiet on the fate of partied, the result of the debate now approaching a conclu sion is clear. We shall hear no more of an aug mented or extended House Tux, imposed not for the purpose of revenue, but of landlord compensation. The feeling of the country has been pronounced un mistakably on the subject, aid the people's will is 110 W to be shown by the votes of their representative,, at 'it already has been through the medium of publi c meetings in every large town, and by the voice of the press. The people will not be juggled into acqui escence in any scheme such as that pro. posed by Mr. DISRAELI. In vain have thi• worst motives been appealed to. On the one hand the cupidity of the rich, on the other the appetite for sensual gratification, has Men held forth to the poor. We have had open appeais from the sobriety of the nation to its drunkenness, and from the patience of industry to the prodigality of rank and privilege,—but all to no purpose. Time was when such appeals might sot have been altogether in vain. The country has happily, however, outgrown its susceptibility to mean excitements and transient considerations. The insolent supposition that it oould be bribed by a farthing a pot in its beer has been summarily set at rest. The reckless and un principled party who have usurped and burlesqued the functions of government for the last nine months, imagined that they should carry a Budget, as they have carried seats for small boroughs, by a wholesale system of treating. The reductions of duty on malt and tea were bluntly offered as the considerations for the sake of which landlordism was to be suffered to have its way, and allowed to re-impose its taxes on the intel ligent and industrious masses of the community. But the project has met with a resistance which its authors never dreamt of. An analysis of the division now impending will unerringly demonstrate the truth we have just stated. On the one side will be found ranged the buyers and brokers of small borough scats and the self-nominated members for uncontested counties. On the other hand will be found the representa tives of all that is most powerful and influen tial in the great cities, the thriving towns, and the more intelligent and diversified of the agricultural districts. It will be the protest of the worth, the power, and the intellect of the nation against the prejudice of birth and the stupidity of ignorance. It will be the proof and pledge of political and social progress as opposed to the fanatical and fraudulent attempt at financial and fiscal reaction. The members for l.ondon and Edinburgh, Southampton and Birmingham, Bristol and Manches ter, Glasgow and Leeds, Wolverhampton and Hull, Sheffield and Newcastle, sustained by the delegated voices of Middlesex and the West Riding, Wiltshire and Cumberland, Lancashire and Cork, will, doubtless, be recorded against the principle of compensation. It will be the same verdict that condemned Protection and rendered its maintenance no longer possible in 1546, though then, as now, scores of dumb representatives of nameless and notelesa places were arrayed in un availing resistance to the true expression of the national will. Had Sir Boum PLR affected to rely upon a merely numerical majority he need not have surrendered the keys of free importa tion, er the seals of office. But he recognised and respected the difference between real representation and its counterfeit. He knew that when the great constituencies had pronounced in favour of uncondi tional Free Trade, no minister could long venture to withhold it; and, with the sagacity of a jest and wise man, he resolved to concede fully and freely what he saw that the nation had mado up its mind to refuse if "addled with dishonest and extortionate conditions. Sir Roemer PEEL knew well that com pensation to the owners of the soil for the surrender of that which they no longer were able to hold, could only end in aggravated disappointment and humilia tion. He told them plainly, that to tamper with taxation in the hope of eking out an equivalent for the loss of their food monopoly, would prove to be o delusion, a mockery, and a snare. They scoffed at his counsels; they deposed him with insult, and set up a juggler in his stead. And what is now the final issue of their blind credulity and dull ingratitude ? Has not every word of Pan's come true ? Have they not been duped and fooled by their conjuror in chief as no men were ever duped or fooled before ? Have they not wasted six years of the nation's life in a hateful and idle struggle to regain Protection, or secure some species of equivalent for it ; and have they not now been compelled meekly to listen to the open repudiation of the one, while they must now despairingly submit to the extinction of all hopes of the other. Parliament—a Parliament summoned by a landed Cabinet, and packed unscrupulously to do its bidding —Parliament has not sat above a month, and already the last shadow of Protection has vanished, and every gleam of compensation has disappeared. So miserable and so mean an exhibition the balls of Westminster have never witnessed. Never have the annals of party blushed with the record of tergiver sation so reckless, or acts of self-abnegation BO !mot less and so base. A great party, numbering in its ranks the degenerate descendants of halt the nobles of the realm, and many men of opulence and private worth, ,have submitteel to sit by, and hear every principle by which they were bound together im pudently renounced on their behalf by one whom in private they do not even pretend to trust or lore. And they have done so on the shabby and the shame ful plea, that it was the only chance remaining whereby they might outwit their adversaries and clutch some sort of compensation. What would they give for their chance of compensation now? Who. ever is minister when Parliament re-assembles after the recess, his obvious task must be to steer a course Y wide as passible from the treacherous shallows is which the last plank of l'rotection has gone down. A SUCCESSFI'L SWINDLE.—A rather successful "do" was practised upon a respectable shin -budding tiro in Glasgow • few days ago. The company had a shin for sale, and one of their number was waited upon by • ; rroa of gentlemanly appesrsuce, who described himself as r presenting a newlpformed campany in London, and wish"' to be informed of the price sought for the vessel. On bruit informed that it was at the rate of 181. per ton, coroplefo. llo toot • couple of hours to consider of it, and at the esnay of that time returned and completed the negotta tion, ordering at the same time too others of the snot class and size, and sending a tug to have the ship takes round the Broosnielow. Ile then, being a stronger in town, requested to be recommended to an hotel, intend ing to wait till some more of the partners came down is couple of days, and the shipbuilder hospitably invited his to take up his quarters at his house till that time. On the same protect 201. was subsequently borrowed to purchsos some articles for the vessel ; and to complete the swindle a dinner for live was ordered at one of the George square hotels for the expected party from London. On al strength of this the shipbuilder and his friend parto ok an excellent luncheon at the same place in the fort floc. after which the latter, leaving his companion at the hotel enjoying himself, went up to the railway station to his friends, and vanished, leaving not a wreck bekaul himself or the 201.—Ureenock Advertiser. ri IPer° they it lett Pea" of $4 whIQ aiciF vote "lion havi the] the c by a with say' tells was the 1 at t i 'ft Imp ofL an e ray!, whit mot t one i the treml Nap 7.52 then and Th Paull yu i build work been. visit Rivol the the This toot