The Express. — London, England, 1852-12-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUKSDA7, Dix. 7. Tie LORD CiIIinCILLOIL took his met at Iva o'sletik. PETITIONS PREsEXTED. InIiTiCTION or Nownestas.—Bytheliarlof SHAFTES BURY, from Liverpool. signed by upwards of 20,000 fa- . males, praying for the isspectios of names ille. MAYIIOO7III. Aka, from the same place, sesiset the ' grant to Maynootb. New ZIALANta—By the Duke of NEWCASTLE, from New Ulster, ie New Zeeland , eomplaining of the iseponey sad iejustiee of settling ass the colonists the burden of the debt said to be due from the New Zealand Comesay. The Earl of DEs.ticr wished to remove an implosion that the present goverment had anything to do with the legislation of which the petitioners complained. The only Wag which had fallen on the hands of the present 'oven meet as to New Zealand was that which was contained in tie imperial act of last session giving a new essetitutioe to New Zealand. They could not then eater es the various stoofticing claims of associations and aimates, but they were obliged to take all these interests as they found them. The Duke of NEWCASTLE must remind the noble can that not only in the lest session of parliament is that and in the other house, bat upon the hustings, the government had taken credit to themselves for this measure, and the there tary of State for the Colonies had claimed the greatest credit for his legislation as to New Zealand; and he could not admit of the government congratulating themselves epos one part of the measure which gave the constitution, end repudiating another which imposed a claim on the colony for which they were net liable. Let them either wash their hands of the measure altogether, or take upon themselves the respoesibility of it as • what. (Hear, bear.) When the noble earl said that they MINI serteie eoefficting interests, and they could not esessifow whether this company or that association was righter +meg, he would beg to remind him that both I. that avol the other home of parliamect the gmerastroi hod MOB mod ad to legislate while qiiiiiiinnO IMO madam laws= Me missy and the company. lie theabegged thslaMetteyeeledge the assatios, end =pew a tan en th e ettM they said they were not liable to pry omen thel li el bead their re mosstrsaces, and had had sa spoormsdig of kesengeting the grave charges which the esiiiids mein selmotthe New Zealand Company. He was perfectly reedy to admit that the present government were not entirely responsible fur the measure; but it was a novel doctrine that a govern ment should introduce a measure .to that house upon which they prided themselves, and when they found that it contained an obnoxious proposition against which simians remosstrancts were coming in that they should then some forward sad say they were not responsible for that porgies of the measure. (Hear. hear.) REPORT OF THE COMMISSION ON THE UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE. Lord LYNDHURST hogged to call the 'mastitis of their lordships to a report of the commissioner' appointed to in quire into the state of the University of Cambridge, and which report kad recently been laid on the table of their lordships hoes'. Their lordships were no doubt aware of the charges which had bees made of late years against the univenity--charges of anal-administretios, of negligence, indifference to improvement, sad so forth. It was with referrer', to such charges that he wished to read the follow ing passages from the report of the emonissionen ." Beton we conclude this report, it is with unfeigned pleasure that we attempt another wk; that we endeavour in a few weeds to iii lie .to the points wherein the university (Cam bridge) has in modern times shown is the *kit of her ad asistatra•ion her willingness to eulogy tibe cycle giber medics, and to modify her institetioss se it Delhi Mend severity of her laws permitted. We have siamisat posh supplied by our evidence that the saimesity Ims hem liberal in the general admisistratios of her fuse, ad hes basdiag them parsissoeiously, but bestowing them, to Ike very limits of her power, upon objects of great aca demical importance. .or should we fail to notice the vets cola committee to revise the statutes of the university with a view to petitioning your Majesty for Tour royal esscties to as amended code of university laws. 'This com mittee wee voted by the Besets some time before the Issue Oa Royal COtnniiaoign had bees by soy env anticipated. Thee*" university was reedy to enlarge its eyele of Mass is proved by its imptitutiss sew triposes of the mood owl 111111IOSI BONBON; and thus alierdisig to mast of W poison as rotamisd 'ski if wwfslaros. • like midi hen Mw shows by the gollogm whisk is several im ams. ham. at a post GM sad as sill nandal of pass ml isimissis„ salami their bundles*, sad is an mom Mow thowsehes mists' glumness of thole eor poste posymty, by Illarergag • pert of the looms of tbe xited* belly, with • view to the prospective benviit of W ses., *any of the colleges, else, have sought whole lime illinstas of With etste , se, prow up rakish= or Woolens e l s e all pms to the ha saint of Muir ✓ la Os ismseel of rostridims *UM pm di us =sll limited is.. &slim to their followalgo sad spe. All them were spaisames Ws, sod is the :Ott directios. W. rapid lbws es Jas nee of a wise sad honourable spirit, e, they hate ham is pod port sieggestive to ourselves ef the Memo we lam mistwood to roomermsd." la wither gad ths ommidomas pa seadad es follows •.—" One happy shenmellesse is the p arties of the saimmity is dootmlog of medal estamost. A great majority of the sans fellowships have km, bow opts to free eompetities i this has given to the meteessity a Mgt mood sinstim, sad esatsibsted is a pest dopes to maks Imo Ms beamed Lenin cot of pills psi The MOO swaths seeds the ihstriba of my mind saivenity prises. It is, we Bilk Ibb Ildf whisk km called forth a high saMil oi ss 4 sad sabsadiog mom se gable duty ea tho ills sentalsi 'were sod stadkuk whether Of or of the adversity. Thd es aswarde of sompOlos give* *dm mean It a gsbalgis sow es dandy peas• mating die meal les of Ma its vise .seems Maim Myrna fhb miss of What.. above all Wogs, gimp us ham for the hilats= le d Oambridgo is Ow somly, free, mil Math. of Mr loss, =is part. at Isnot. d is s:Mr salloglide system the of Mr dwdka, sad the spbtAtais of liar selmi akisatiss, peadowlag is mass mallasomo sad goodwill es dooms at them sermittod to her own. Is all bar mom lee she Ma me dist she pommy* a body of ma who, stoma is their Itigerical remembresow, dig to telst is Indy good, would seek he as sadism SEA would admit of so chimp whisk bad sot hit mambo of osisatills, moral, sad religiose hoseit." As Mm of the dad sostalion of the asiversity—having be. • member of lbw mosto of that body for nearly sisty Wi lea•Afteisgrepellellelli the Vairersity of Cambridge is iassmotwo pel uimsas, sad babe at proses, a high dim is that loused oseloty, le had theogiu it his duty to all allsomisa to tbs mamma in dos sigma which he lad i la g soak so sioribm _- the boot maw to them shorpo, so dim mists& la ~ he bad stitssid. Es was awe they amid ham Mon may hem so mike Igarrisse of wide toes grim wilds dm walls of fibs 'dyad% trod Or 'am Mims - whisk were bid mode W Sot lowed May ft imps., sad eatmd, SS it so their mesas mad prodi. Ow humid' of that isomgdos. U. bagel date losibliiW mould aides him for istatdatiag the Weft MO emir as. ewe.. (Boar, Leer.) SELECT COMMITTEES. Zed ORANVILLE mond, pursuant to sedge, " that la the most of a &risks irides place it any select coo milts% the quake megmod. ihs same of the lord per gado. Ms o f mod th ipp 4st vin mass tim= s ? issli bud palest, be ealessd dloo miaMts of o r,,dk Mo miestss of the Willi somlllis. ; Osseo. may be, and reperted is bitarmas do amid of Ma committee." It had bees sollealt is dam mas so most so the josreak of the hoses sf the that task glow m then seed be ao record of the of salsa ormaillott Re did mho set the t ae of mho. an aka la giber esso—dpsr. Soy woad lke s mery it plills miss% Soy gels gmi Nat tilig i. Lids died of their dividing arm egpareil Mile t of the sowspapars, sad he ma mildid that Mg e, arA, tar the Mamie of the home sod the mivaatage of the Om Ise mush pahlisity ts thok gomeadiags. Rd astsay smodiatalswbsmthog repsoostsdAM Vim May IMPS eammidlis. ad* wreelli deny - that tbsy wail' assostie to pub* *km. (Beer, bees.) It was Mt 1110111bOk plosselloss be kit blues used sot he mosedad o balms Ms/ we. Est asswiesille to sey SAP Aft tbsk ow delta bat that was • wise doglike as to ask loam is that bogy it emit set took to who =lobe be kaki_ spec ss kw espombelluos of Ike kklis body of their Wad" sad they eon ouggeg so know wary width fedi pike beim *we. no de. =onkel" Mose um emus May to sive k awl be to Ow pulls them Ibe w zr of se Ask iset committees. whisk be his aollioll kr Oast* to maintain the Mob task yid* dry big it the midis estimation. (Hear, bses.) Lord RE DE NEAL li ohiestad to Os allorkles poirsied. bow it would astray Was ilbe ohmaster et = of Woaatadttees at the hums. sad slim th e of may amber ot a esmeitios to be hoseglit wader the ass, of the Moos. as Amid ostler himself by soling .. not antral'' to the notice, sad should sot divide the Leese apes it. The mod= was that agreed to. Their lordships adjourned at a quarter Mame Ms. ROUSH OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, Dac. 7. The Britain& took the chair at a quarter to 4 o'cloolt. NEW MEMBER. Mr. G. H. W , the aewly-eleeted meatbor for Poterbleovrih, took the oaths sad his mot. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Coat. Mness.—By Kr. CAYLEY, from operative esl• Bars of Durham, expressing granted° for the inqairy lost ansion into the loin of life in coal mines, and praying t►at measures for the comps/spy ventilation of Millie might be seasidered. PARMA m Parum.—By Mr. A. PELLATT, from South...A ; Mr. LOCKE, Mr. BUTLER. and Mr. CROWDER ((rem Liaised); end Mr. It MILNES, from Yorkshire; all from mosittaales and literary institutes in various parts of the eseatry ; for the tree &diem of M I sedates. TARS& ON Naw •—Be an 110 N. MEMBER, (rent Lincoln, and Mr. MACGREGOR, from plasm in Beet- bed, for the r. peal of. T . Rican , Btu.. —By Mr. MAGUIRE, from Berk, end Mr. P. O'BRIEN, from King's County, a dames of Mr. Serpent Mures NIL BSTAILIGUID emoacr (IsaLaxo).-13, Mr. MOORS, from the d.,.cees of Tams, status' toe isequality of Auras =rtya Ireland se sompared wit► the protaitent end preying preying for a rooppropriatios of ohs chetah revenues. Marsoora.— By Sir G. TYLER, from the Inhabitants of Posty.pridd and usislibinutood, in Olomariaoshiro raying for the withdrawal of the groat. •s POOII4ILII Oa the =Mies el Mk I. Tt dared oast prowwWwill et dr w asipt of relief, the smessM other accounts "fisting IS the ddniiitietratiosild thit Poor Low in the year 1851 11011 0 1e i tel y. Mr. BLii.CIUMT at a yesdlea di Secretary d the Treasury—whether way anarMWOM won Is wpm kw womalerating she treamaissies at Ohs mils Oa SO d ifassaaa, .specially is reheame ten *0 paid amaaalds sloe between Newesetle sad Imam? Mr. 0. A. HANLILTODI EOM dal moadadmili tai. hem lot some time ia pores be She prow at asedia ruin the nulls between Ladles awl do add. TM db. lest was sow wilder the eseedeeselea dee PealleallF essaeral. with every prospect that herwissi arroiroMMle Meld soon be is operatics. (Hear. haits.) Kr. HEADLAM wished sa ben Aarsr sad }.pmt arrearimewts had manna MOM moss* by soy of Lancashire. at Ma sigma rode via Yedralare east Diabase. Mr. G. A. lIAMILTON said the subject was beiag eea eidered generolir. bat Use precise manner in which the pro posed acceleration mid be carried out wee not pit dectiied upon. Mr. WALTER inquired labattaar the aglestlen if the boa. baronet, the Permian* of the llVer-law Ikea{ had beea idled to • statement I. the penes Mein of the awe papers of Saturday last of a cirmitastenee that bad occurred is refugees to a woman who, in the lest liege of preg si, and seterly destitute, had been, so was alleged, re fired adiehlien Into the workhouse ? Ile also wished to haw who** the guardians were entitled to look to the gefyss Men Mama in the performance of the duty of re *, destitute poor t 1k TROLLOPS had seen the passage in the news gape referred to by the boo. member, sad bad directed in quiry to be made. He had instructed Mr. Hall, the Me- Mepolitas Poor-law Inspector, to go to Lambeth Wort hless sad institute an immediate inquiry into the alleged desounstanee, but Mr. Hall had not returned when he (Sir Trollope) left the once. As 110011 as he was in possession glebe fact', he should be ready to give the hoc. gentleman the fullest information on the subject With regard to the power of the Poor-law Guardians to aid them ia the en.- esti°, of their duties, he knew of no such pewee, and its *Kisumu would be contrary to the spirit of the Poor-law. PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS AND MECHANICS' INSTITUTES. Mr. TUPNELL moved, ponsant to notice, for the ap- Mt of • select committee to inquire into the sip,- e a f distributiag, gratis, under certain regulation', • from the reports and returns printed by order of the Mew of Ominous, amongst the Literary and &l enses lesthetime s and Mechanics' Institutes, throughout as Weed Kieudem. li is object was to disseminate, through She Enema of *we voluntary and justly popular instals- Ileme. the greed mess of valuable political and statistical Isheseatha TWO same seasally before the Roque of Oememialler It wee Iho eme&eakty of the house to make the 101•1111••• oles slegiehehei w what they were doing sot may k their debates, but is their committees, where the weet aereel inquiries were conducted oa questions of the =impottaace, and where the most valuable Weems at elicited. He proposed not that the whoa* of the pedismestary papers—for that would hardly be emektered II bisa—but that a careful selection of those width sow lOW gmenlly useful information should be made, sad mostelene the Shrank them institutions cm pap ENS et Oa M. EWA. 11=seedoi the motion. 11111ADLAM concurred moat cord ally in the object of*. motion, but would make one suggestion which he Illoseglie might add to its utility. At the present moment there was wet sky • dillicalty in obtaining the parliamon. lely papers se the pert of those who could not steed to pay he them, hat those she were able and Wallow so pay ie thess, Is sew eases mead not obtain Meet ft weak grasses ef the tarlasse eat keepiag them, se key meld mks we plea Ikea Miss. The psi were set peerally swore at the Ise yds* si white the dosamsets is 'swam Meld be lid s sod inky were—Wes la the avarMay mpe dsly— Ibeg bed woe Mod is Leedom she amid Sake the toseile te pewee sad hewed this they mold ma set diem WhiS be well smelt, those was net the lams of the muss should 's se dared as that the inquiry tumid matmos Ihe foollks. whether by say alteration in the ask if ISOU b leiletheatary documents they might MOM dreelMs! dffs !WM facility than at preset. Mr. HUMII te the boon which had bees shindy seaferred an the by the adoption by the hems of the et die see eattee of which ha hod Mee • wamilms•ves Os pales of parliamentary pupae to the seas art Of lb row and the working off, viz., ate prong • sheen He fully agreed I. the desirableness of giving every publicity to all the information that some before the bow, sad whisk mid set be e.illected by any other means, end it was spit that principle that he had always bees fat eon to the removal of toe tan an sews. papers. He was phased that his right boa. Mewl had brought the oddest kawarl ; and he could sot help Few Jag ea the Chanson* of the Bachequer, that if be wee ebeenee is the egged he bad made last night, there was • tan which he might tako et and which would have the east of eddied greatly to the trasettedwe of the _pas*. lot Ma newspapers, se Iwo as they were Ormillesi ss their ewe hesliry. be tree her stamps and may Ist them be Mayo& when they were mut through the post. Me tweeit the MM be.. rongemain wealol sot ally seggert this modes bat mkt less his seasiderstisa end a mesas of spreading haselodge at weak he the meek of sash a plaa e with rea d seised empepsolos be Mr. EADLAY, is esplamidea, :sr l athe tan he bati_nedis watt slew le causing par Parto seal *heaver dm theme. 11. MILNES, is fingsseimg his approval of this so dem, mid he never could essumn for the fact that it wee M gnmerelly known that parlisnestary pageneeseg Is he beeps freely, end at a very'', price; ISE he ltd hod sine applieethee 02 him by penes' to sent lien Id par urillthen who were unaware that Illeit Wend ofen se ally. He wished to take this espreathig lb dislike to the dregs .11th leaden mine of the reports elf the WON . geed Nth lar= t he y des folio had ben abolished. gad a line. thick, whams sebetitated, whisk wee he les sew wilt, wiliest, it turning over a folio page you Medi see M • glance whether there was anything is it whiskies mama to read, while in a small mime yea took twin the Ame is audit git out. He gni* egewel la the prepaid et lb eight hon. friend, and be hoped that if the aspen of die re to be MN bones welegsly circulated that ceimmitteell would be more weed es to the 'n*eat of gentian that were put, so as to and ogibedag tagether. as was sow the ease, a quantity of nansibils stet Mr. FORTESCUE es sae who took a strong intense is asthenia' institutes, to thank his right hoe. friend rea m. de tide attempt to s saw clam of le then. It an said. list =dew hen the &din la shear M ties ailer at Clasidere'l Iseerien el of Pam, ma blications. the pehtmil pu the working climes sew we political, sad Wegglnge so, cam should be takes that that kind of readier sheath he of the beet quality. He was we that the Mmabatho of the pipers of the home weeld toad to raise it In the spiel= of the people, shoaling that non wee don the. thin ass talking. The CHANCELLOR el the EXCHEQUER said that there scold be as habit that parliamentary literature woe see of the meet -*manakin haters, in the latelleetnel de velopment of . the ego I sad there emelt set be • hotter test of its value ties by awandeg the MINNO. of the histo rian at a peeled ease dose ire" gall sew wheal. was *lath le earnde the Wan of see ergs limn Leek et meek a pa as se leen sad we lad him searshin aeashen ef eels of parlionsat la win to ornmetela almw t prise et ea =dig wined; whims Me meg ef Mids. tied ishinatias wink was ia the Ryan of the hew= would midis he Watseka le threw great light ea the habits sad agleam of the ;piny* aid it would be head that the beet *ideal Willy wee drawn from re seeress which were please la the heads of public irritate by mesas of a parlanswany Nernatien which wee sever eaudied la any tinter Manny . Re did aster= is the eat =the =lee erne pens of the bane which had beta by the hen. =mast it Pendant ; he did ast win reetvistine to be nosed as their nandsdes, eat did he thigh that the resift of the labesseflownithes of raglan= were wanness% wen W Mid by the hat. (M but s e n d sd an be thee he labors inf NIMINDINIL re mb ea. pthlemea who had latrailthed i riedea. were we lealteitioas which eight he be were ea gegiesekeit we nen alesialed te Emmen na 'RAW waft gm misbaskt igrellwelan and be ahead oar as 'insides le the nodes ; rid be hayed the hinges of Alligiltaittee weed. prove satisfactory. Al Chet be geoid Nor vs% that ft weight of any recwatmeathithes whisk the thermithe idea make. and dna* es the neareee la Mitt hey whined heir week. lie did sit think that the man of shoed be one too easy. d 'a i r:Lsrin.m - li e e erridend es • privilege ; sad he belie that enswg tannage/Ith. bane, the feet of the privilege Whig a matter of therm, leadered them dims value ; and that easy volumes were set 'pew& which would be read if they were only to be ebeened with some dithcialty, and at some cost. Re did M Man to lay down say rules for the guidance of the amodttee, but he thought that the comintitthe would attend teristeils. They were all agreed in their appreciation of the taboor of parliament, and also that it was desirable that the public should become acquainted with what MIS lOW tabled In their parliamentary papers; bet the mode in which that information was to be disseminated through the await, was a question of detail to which the attention if the emnsilthee should be directed ; and it wed for the hones to see that practical good was produced. Ile hoped the emonlittee would he able to get over any difficulties of that kind, and he hoped that by the house agreeing to the motion, comequeness would follow which would tend to elevate the charester of the pen i le, by conveying to them this valuable apiaries of information. (Meer, hear.) Mr. BIIOTHERTON said that by sending the volumes of puliantentary reports to Mechanics' Institutes the public would have greeter access to th• nt, end the would be better able to appreciate the info conveyed in these. If the people were seeking pl. tie., power it ems Important that they should have dm best political edesatlos ; and as this couotry was weir governed by piddle opinion, it wee most important that public opinion should be elevated. Ile bad had opposite* cities of seeing in the pebble lihruies and institutions of Manchester and Salford how those publication" were tip precisted, sad he had received many communicating l.remien on him the advantage qf having th ose books lAMB ted, and he believed that their eirca.stion would be pro ductive of great public good. Mr. it. HI LDYAILD said that in the town he represented there was difficulty In raising the funds necessary for keep ing up melt .nics' institution", and he believed it war so elsewhere, and as the best mods of wearing math funds 'WM by increasing the haserery members, he bagged to THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY r 7: THE CHARTER OF THE NORTH AMERICAN SCREW STEAM-SHIP COMPANY. Kr. BROWN paressaat maim. to mem frir Copies of mode by the the Liver po.l, sad North Amebas Resew Etseirship Company to the Board of Trade*, • ehartert sad of all sememteedeetee ' Waagen the amid mei Beard of Trade ea the sub. jest thereof; sad elemethis, amilethrw esessas aiealielle esesived bp the Emil elites& hem ether groat mad aseleletlese eels*, le each TI wine whit was very imperfeetly s tr ica rd. :el In My dot this win a est( of great interest to the ddre mramanity, and the principle of a charter it emegeey. with a Umbel liability, for which &policed= had bees made to the lewd of Trade, hat been resolved welt pat deem. Ile reed a memorial from me tals minim of the ~es Jetting at Liverpool to the BOA of Trade Mile Meet " that es application had been megogij an mi e le to lbe beard, and wee seder consideration, he the Liaise, Limped, and North Amen ma Strew Stremilip Company, whisk Wes Awned for efigT7W and pods to Canada mad the Vatted States wheel alleuter was te beef a spesielekenerar, and limiting the MOM of the ihmeebeidees; they submitted that such • &ester weld be inimeless to other sobs had invested Wei mpg la the Canada = w a a iri e wbe were liable te fir fell east of their pro perty, mites Mill them te ea Weir isenthetition with a empway whisk was not exposed to the same risks as they wen, es* whisk was not restrained by the ordinary natal of eseimtereill prole, sad which iaterfered with private en ter ; am ems these anything epeeist in the compeer or u thick requhred ea easeptional charter." The boa. patemea theta urged that this principle of limited liability is • Ibanez of this kind was mach to be depre cated, ea beim, esthalated to be most injurious to the cre ditors of the esmpany, aid instanced the ease of the Araerlena beaks, to which, prior to 1837, charism had been panted with limited liabilities, but the system had been resod to work so ill that the more enlightened states had refused to renew them • and it was strange that is a commercial country like this we were trying to get into the very diaculty which America ma trying to get out of. He hoped that the papers and correspondence he moved for would be granted, sad that a committee of the house would have as opportunity of considering the subject. Kr. HENLEY said that the hon. member had been kind enough tomy that he (Mr. Henley) was placed in a very , diffisalt rides Ia the Klee which be held ; but he thought the how wadi sink dust the hon. gentleman had done all Is W pewerte sake his ditties not only more difficult,', bat most rinealt, and almost impossible to be fulfilled. The fair mane mould have been for the bon. gentleman, enter tainting the views he did, to wait and see to what judgm ent the Kest ef Taub ewe; he the question was still "sub judies." The M. member, who claimed for himself such free pewees of amptition ' was not content to wait the theilies of the tribunal on the questioa, previously* trele&sti it before the house. The lair way would have hose to Gave moved to rescind the pose Cr. of the Beard 11/ Tillie te riat charters; and he must contend that it velment unfair to raise • question of such import gam as Waited liability on • particular ewe, and that case being " sebjedies." Net was that all, for in his speech he out the gresed ism esder his own het, for he said that there might be emegliesel same in whisk such privileges la • charter wield be peeper. The hes.gentleman and the gentlemaa who prepense* the aemtrial to him (Mr. Healey), bad not imiseenthled to leak is that part of the ease which was easepaiesek until he had pointed it out es thin, and that was the eleamesbetles with Canada. lie would eft wee go late the gesing ,itemise, for it was set oa that pened be objected te past the papers—al though the patleman had math seise remarks which did sot beet sall his general views. He bad said that it limited wee established, mesas would not be able M pa y their ; and yet, while holding those views, he said that cltartith el that kind might be granted, in cases whisk would be exceptional in three results. The soda (mad en which he (Mr. Henley) oppoold the modes was, that the matter was " sub juilics." Whoa he bed arrived at his determination on this subplot he woad be ready to produce soy papers which parliament might sell fee; but that time not being arrived, he hoped the house would refuse this motion. Kr. J. CLAY regretted that the right hon. gentians* had set weeded to the request for papers, for it was very deelealti• that the house should be put in possession of the whale cam; and obviously the right bon. gentleman's ad vise, that the hos. member for South Lancashire should welt, wee not wise, seeing that if they waited until the right hon. gentleman had come to a decision ; they would be two late to effect the object they had is view, which was, that this charter should not be conceded at all. The boa. pederasts (Mr. 3. Clay) then entered into the g nerd familiar argument against the proposed charter ; and concluded by saying that the difficulty which had now arisen convinced him that the power of gracile( thew charters ought to revert to parliament Itself ; sad that, if it bethine • custom to grant such special privileges, dies the whole commercial law of the country ought to be changed, ad we would have to come altogether to the French loi en consteestelite. Mr. It. LOWE pointed out the inconvenience of the course which the How of Commons was being asked to take in debating on its merits • question which, with all trailer questions, was referred b' act of parliament to the decision, which decision had in this case inept been gives, of a specific and responsible department of the gov,rnoteut. 11r. E. B. ROCHE hoped that in the decision on this question the interests of Ireland would not be forgotten. (Laughter.) In his opinion it was to the advantage of the poor Irish emigrant that the trade to North America should be left free and open, and that, with that view, the com petition between different parties should be fre e and upon an equal footing. BROTHERTON supported the proposition of his hon. friend the member for South Lancashire. The object of the optional power given to the Board of Trade was to provide for tines desirable enterprises which it was not likely would be entered into without the extensive protec tion of a charter. The enterprise which this new company was proposing to undertake was not at all of that nature ; and to pant • charter in such a caw w nth!, therefore, be to give one party an unfair advantage over other parties. As, however, the object sought by the hon. member for Laneashire had been in a great degree gained by the die curios which had taken place, be would suggest to his hon. friend to withdraw his motion. Lord OODERICH could not understand upon what ground the has. member for Kidderminster (Kr. Lowe) bad awed upon the movers in this matter • desire to " eliminate from the field of Sows a new and powerful competitor ha the name of free trade." He (Lord Gods- Mt) could not perceive an y sash object. (Ham, bear.) He beloved that the aim* object was that sees bel l shield be observed between competitors, or, Meeker week gothrament should net give one party ea sedative mines tage over other parties in the same enterprise. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Cork county (Mr. Bache) warned thionevernmat to keep the trade to North Aso rim open ; bat rarely the way to keep that trade open was not to give special privileges to • which, by the aid of those priv il mies, would rapidly la driving ell other competitors oat of the trade. Ober, beau) The elms proffered was, that the new only aimed at filling unoccupied ground wi l g s:e= Canada oaly • bet it was obvious to him that the reel ' object was 10 signet the Sat= direction. (Rear, bear.) Mr. J. MACGREGOR did met at all regret the epiele be had taken is belagiag the memorial of this new eamesep before the Board of Trade. He setkesteed that there were as British ships at primal empleped is that Made; and he esossived Uri be had bees pit ra g a eallseal eldest in aiding the limb of Newsy - tibia would mil British ship, made ef &NM hem massed by Erkkh ear,ee Ou twits Brie& minim sad British ports. (Ha hear.) Ho woe aliegether neerseested with the sempany a Meter ; bet he esgeedel it as eethied to a charter; he hoped that the right hes. gesdemen (Mr. Henley) would give the matter the Mesa meridelasims. Kr. HUME was easeedlegly geatilled with the able manner in whisk tb• whir brd (Lod Goderich) had treated this enhjest. The mile heed bed, he thought, put the am very a rcei s t e r yations. emy ; mil he entirely agreed with miler the stream steno% seam that the diermalee had enabled hem. gentle men Se pet the whole argument before the right boa. genes. he (Mr. Hume) would advise his he& 61mai le withdraw the motion. (Hear, hear.) Sir F. BARING did not desire to offer any 'Oaks whatever in the merits of this case, and he oily rase to state that he did not see in the fact that the question was still nab judiee before the right hon. gentleman, any reason why papers should not be produced. It was hardly the practice to refuse papers on that ground: and he did not mis that there could be any either public or official incon venience in laying all the papers before the house. Mr. HENLEY explained that what he meant was that papers, on both sides of the question, were still coming in daily, and that in that state of things there wallahs an obvious incompleteness in the ease which the how meld be put in possession of. (Hear, hear ) Mr. C. TURNER was strongly opposed to the OWN. Igoe of the charter sought for. He believed the law of VW limited liability was the only safe law for a sernmerelel eirentry Mr. It. M. FOX remelted that the oppoeftlea le this granting of the charter did not come from private wise wishing to carry on private enterprise, but from companies who had subsidies from government; one of which—Cats liras's line -had 140,0001. • year fir carrying the mails; and from Collins's company, which was also strongly aided by the public money of another country. If this chatter were granted there would be • direct communication b. tween Ireland and Canada, which would be a great mime of expense to Irish emigrants, as they would not then be under the necessity of going to Liverpool to embark. He must say that the character of the men who were asiociated for the purpose of obtaining this charter ought to have saved them from the imputation of getting up a scheme for the purpose of trafficking in the shores. It was a bona fide transaction, and it was proposed to entry out the project without • shilling of aid from th;s country. Mr. V. SCULLY said it might be a reason for not grant ing • charter in this case if there were no peculiar facili ties panted to other companies, but they knew very well that there were two largo and powerful companies who were largely assisted by this country sad the Crafted States, sad in consequence they had a monopoly now. that .. „,,, • of , 144nrintry whO al ' to He - ....v.: , ~ . wk•i =lra then ". 'sew depositaries of pee- ' ;VI ~ ~ 0 pinioned Wong atensbets woad Mesa wen Om speed to, with an addition son• sued be M. lananirmoltat the *Smith* should inquire nimbi' any alteration in the mode of selling the papers their pbMl y ation wad not he incased. 11, DECEMBER g, 185 A. Xr..IIOICSON said the act of parliamest Wilt to tie Trade whether a charter s e be gousteiret tilt, tad his essoltionts were quite with the sound lodgment of the Pre .iciest of the of Trade. In ! many Of the principle. Lid down he pee coseurreiL bat there were eases where it was saint ble that limited ty should be given, bat the and of Trade projects which did not come within the scope et rivets enterprise. He thought that private enterprise wee mob more likely to be secoessful than euterpriaee un dertaken by companies managed by boards of directors. begss the hoc. iteutlessas would not persevere la the mike is bait made. Mr. A. iIASTIE thought if It were left to private enter ?OW emigrants would be quite as well seonunodated en they would be if a charter were granted. His ionstitsents were against the grantiag of the charter. At the mine time, he thought it better that the hen. gentleman should withdraw the motion. Mr. W.BROWN said what they wanted was, " • clear date and no favour" for any company whatever. He should be extremely sorry to ask for papos the production of which would embarrass the right hon. gentleman. If there was say negotiation going on with any foreign state, there might be a difficulty, bat there was no difficulty in the present case ; but as the right hon. gentleman was of a different opinion he would withdrew the motion, and he Ironed and wee confident that he would do justice to all parties. ACG REGOR wss confident that the navigation pro posed would be as effectually carried out from Glasgow and Liverpool as if a charter were granted. The motion was then 's leave withdrawn. COUNTY FINANCIAL BOARDS. Mr. M. 01BSON moved for leave to bring in a biU to establish county financial boards for the masons of county Yates, and for the administration of county expeaditure in England and Wales. It was not necessary for him to go into the details of this bill, when he informed the house that the principle of the bill was sanctioned twice during the last session, the second reading having been passe without a division ; and, there having born two commit tees of that house who had paid groat attention and given much time and cook:oration to this measure, be thought the house would conceive that the more asking for leave to bring in the bill would probably not be opposed. It bed been remarked to him by • gentleman that he was sur prised that one who had sat in abet house so long as he nad should undertake to briag in a bill, especially one of so great importance and containing so many clauses. And certainly his experience of the di ffi culty of carrying a bill in that house somewhat justified this remark; but he was encouraged by the observations of the Chaucellor of the Exchequer. who said ho was favourable (as be understood) to the introduction of the representative principle into local administration. That was the principle of this bill. He proposed to give the ratepayers a control over count) expen diture. He did not propose to constitute financial boards from which the moistratts should be excluded. Quite the reverse. lie took the security in this bill that one half of the board should consist of magistrates ; he took care that the judicial power of the magistrates, and their powers as to the regulation of gaols, should not be interfered with by these financial boards, and so fir as possible to assimilate three county financial boards to town councils, and to give them no more power than was necessary for the control of expen diture and financial matters. He would, therefore, now not trespass on the attention of the house, but would simply move for leave to bring in the bill. The question having been put, Mr. WALI'OLE said the right bon. gentleman had cer tainly twice, if not three times, brought in bills on this sub ject, but these bills were not the same. One of those bills was referred to • select committee, which made great alte rations in it, and then, if he recollected aright, the right hon. gentleman brought in another hill last year, which did not contain all the recommendations of the committee. He should not oppose the introduction of the bill, but as rise clauses were not explained, he reserved to Weasel( the full est power of expressly disapproving of the second reading if it did not contain, as it ought, a prevision that the magistrates should have the fullest power over, and management of, gaols, lunatic asylums, and bridges. Leave was then el,. n to bring in the bill. RETURNS ORDERED. On the motion of Mr. KINNAIILD —Copies of any papas or correspondence respecting the expulsion of Messrs. Wirt gate and Smith from the Austrian dominions, in contiana lion of papers presented in the last session of the last par liament. On the motion of Mr. CAULPIILD—Copy of the report to the Admiralty, in the removal of the bar in Carlingford Bay, with a view to its being available as a harbour of Map. SUPPLY.-NATIONAL DEFENCES. On bri4i;g u p the report of the committee of supply, Sir 0. PECHELL said the hon. gentleman proposed to raise 2,000 men this year, and then the remainder were to be raised in April neat, if they could get them. He sup gated that if they could not raisesufficient men they should supply the remainder by boys. Mr. STAFFORIJ said this matter bad been under the monaideration of the Admiralty, and it was their wish to get as many boys as they could. On the vote of 14,00 W for iron ordnance and projectiles, Sir G. PECHELL said there was some differense at opinion as to the number of guns and iron ordnance saw lying at Portsmouth, Woolwich, and Devonport, ardor various colonies. Now, in the report of the orders* air sues of 1819, he found that at that time thou Waseca Woolwich no less than 11,679 serviceable go big guns, from a 13-inch mortar to a 9.pounder. At Ports- mouth there were 1,466 guns serviceable; at Devonport. 927 serviceable; at Chatham, 333 repairabl e ; at Plymouth alma the same somber, and 549 obsolete guns ; and 479 elsolete guns at Devonport. Now, when he looked at Gibraltar, which was reckoned to be our strongest fortress, be found that there were only 000 guns then, and the oest of sending out a great many more guns to ca mplete the armament, was only 8,015 1 . They were now spot Sol vote 11,0301. Was this for 'second Gibraltar ? What Weld be their intention in making for so large a sum, when In all parts of England there were no less than 14,961 serviceable gam; end. taking the repairable and unserviceable, no Mrs Qua 23,963. 'The report was then agreed to. TENANT'S COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day fee the mond reading of this bill, Mr. Serjeant SUEZ said the right hon. gentleman the Attorney-General for Ireland, in the exposition which he gave them some evenings ago of the new bill of landlord and tenant, adverted in terms of respectful notice to a hos. friend of his, for many years • member of that house, to whose exertions the improvement by legislative measures of the condition of the agricultural classes in Ireland, the right hon. gentleman, as he understood hint, attributed, ea • primary cause, mock of the difficulty that be anticipated La carrying his supposed measure for the same object. He had so wish te depreciate the learning and the industry of the right hon. gentleman, but when be reminded the house that in the years 1835, 1836, 1843, 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1960, and 1862, bills were brought into that house by the late member for Rochdale (Mr. Sharman Crawford), in which all the principles of tenants' property in their own Improvements, sad of retrospective compensat on for them, sow nominally and little more than nominally admitted by the: right hon. gentleman, were fully rcoognised, he thought the house would agree with hiss that whenever it paned a good law of landlord and Masai in Ireland, the sita•eriale of that bill—whaessoever mews might be on the lock of the bill—would be furrildeed Kr. Crawford. That gentleman was • large landed end he put toward a plan for the imprimemond Of tit eesditlon of his sonatrymen, the first clams of whin seataised a rimm Ufa that farmbuil d Lap peromasat hogreamoimist loafed to the nun, mad be bad ferried that priaelple out ea hie own estate' he mined that the tenants had a right M the product 1k their ova industry ; and that from tie time be had *nisi eat that principle on his own estate, he bad not only greatly promoted Om happiness sad prosperity of those whom Providence had made dependent upon him, but had considerably advanced his own interests. (Hear, hear.) He read Kr. Crawford's bill, and the other bilks that were from Uses to time brought into that and the other house if Eminent, and from his own experience and which had not been inconsiderable in England, Seetbad, and Ireland, and from the reports of parliamentary mar senses tad the anise of eseennes, he had ems to a esailailia sane Man— he gems hat to dui essolodss that oohs leghletare of el et matep mos progeoll flee break up the settlimest of larded mans for the p mess of holly provision, widen siss thsoght seentisl dM as mdstosimes of the aristesiode dam% sal dle• Whaled the lead on the dooth if dr greprieterObeg would never arrive at • wand sod pow Oats of Oa further inquiry, he found *et Yr. Crawford's bill con tained no provisions that had alit been sanctioned by the accumulated wisdom of ages, or that were not comprised in the laws of all those a:ates which had retained the juris prudenes of the empire. la every line of the bill there leas • boassious satiety to guard against the slightest en. oriesahmest ea the real and just rights of property ; and he ellaid me help admiring his (Mr. Crawford's) worthy rup iahs not to surrender one jot of his honest conviction for • whiff of that which had led even honest men astray—the gal* of popularity—than which nothing was more worthless when it was undeserved. (Hear, hey.) During the last session a vast number of petitions had been presented in favour of the bill; and not one against it; and its prin ciples had been likewise affirmed at the late election by great majorities in most of the Irish counties. (Rear, hear) Ile (the learned earjeast) Ind been called ups an meeting at Dublin, which was attended by 60 aesthete fle this Sure, and presided over by Mr. Crawford, to Odes sharp of the bill during what wu hoped wile bat the temporary absence of that honourable gentlemmit from the hose. Agitation out of doors which had not for its object success, as the worthy result daegi and discussion, was not only mischievous bat 001a64 ; but if ho (Serjeant Sine) failed on this ac it would not be for want of a true and loyal conviction tea the principles he had undertaken to support were in them selves just and wise, conservative to the real rights of pro and conducive to the prosperity of Ireland, to it peace, the strength, and the union of that great empire ad which it formed a part. (Cheers.) As many yeah uhe sold remember, the misery of the Irish people had occupied • large portion of the attention of that house. No one could doubt that the English and Scotch members longed to be comforted by an assurance of the happiness of their fellow Irish subjects; but how was it that their benevolence, had failed so signally in its results ? It was impossible to walk elope the track of legislation for the last fifty yews without meeting at every step with some bulwark hang,' thrown up to stay the flood of social disorganisation—use lulus act, some coercion bill, the suspension of the Haber Corpus Act, a report upon crime and outrage, allusions in l apeeches from the throne, oestrous declarations by minister. l of state. How was this? Tne peasantry of almost every other part of Europe were prosperous ; and the traveller peeing front Ireland into England, and try the eases of somperstive happiness and com pel° tt i nL i trhiett would everywhere greet his eyes, would hardly be abbe* wltherld the ezelamation, " Sue si bona swing I" the grateful earth supplied to the bonne of than the moans of enjoyment and comfort eamt. I la Ireland. (Cheers.) In three pro 'laces et *a unhappy country, almost within sight of these shores, and Mating ready access to the English markets, there were , in frightful contrast, luxury and plenty with banger, nakedness. and want. There were property without security, industry without encourage ment, and commerce without life—a restless longing for new things at home and new for tunes he and the seas— simian injustice, agrarian discontent, and (worst of all) agrarian crime. (Cheers.) Surely it was vain to look for the cure of such evils in the consolidation of statutes and Memory guarantee*. (Cheers.) Sometimes they were told that these evils arose from some Inherent taint —some moral scrofula, with which all the Celtic race except the Great Duke was effected and which unfitted them for toil and profitable industry. (Hear, hear.) But a large portion of the French and Scotch peasants were Celts. (Cheers.) A large portion of the Celtic element, as the boo. member (Mr. Drummond) would tell them, if he spoke on this subject, was contained in that wonderful amalgam an Englishman; and who would say that the English and the American nations did not stand in the very foremost ranks of human races ? (Cheers ) Some times, again, they were told that it was their religion. (Hear, hear.) But the Roman catholic religion was the religion of Spain and Portugal in their palmiest days, when they were masters of the Indies. (Cheers.) And it was i, now the religion of France and Belgium, of the Rhenish Provinces of Prussia, and of Lombardy—countries which, as the hon. member (Mr. Drummond) had said last night, far surpassed us in everything tbst was tasteful and elegant. (Cheers.) lie (Seri. Shee) had not been able to under...and from the right hun. gentleman (Mr. Napier) what he con sidered to be the causes of the unhappiness of Ireland. it seemed to him that the right hon. gentleman hal been flirting with Mrs. Fry ; for he said that the secret of this state of things had occurred in the time of Sir John Davis, who lived in the days of James I. and Queen Elisabeth. The right hon. gentleman considered that some inconve nience had arisen from the system of middle men; and, with the assistance of his smiabie adviser, he had arrived at the conclusion that what was required was an increase of employment, an increase of encour .gement to industry, and the removal of every description of religious distinction. But all foreign writers and all English economists of au thority had ascribed the different state of things in Ireland and in other countries to the esistenos or the absence of a motive for industry, and for the exertion which was caused by an interest in the property created by industry. (Hear, hese.) They said, with Arthur Young, that the magic of property was capable of converting a waste, or even an almost barren rock, into a garden; but that he who created it must have an interest in it. .(Cheers.) The secret of the perennial misery of Ireland had been well condensed by Mr. Mill, in his " Principles of Political Economy," into a few words. After comparing the state of almost every class connected with the cultiva tion of the soil, from the West Indian slave to the free labourer of Britain, he said that the Irish farmer or cottier was alone amongst mankind in his condition ; for to be industrious benefited nobody but his landlord ; while if he chose to be intemperate it was at his landlord's expense. If that were true, the whole mystery was solved. (Cheers.) But could the evil be obviated ? He (Serjeant Sher) be- I bend it could. (Cheers.) The bill of Mr. Sharman Crawford did not propose to do for the Irish farmer at present what was done by the first French revolution, which cost so much blood and suffering, for the people of Feints. They did not propose to do for the Irish what the decrees of the Emperor Joseph and Maria Theresa had done for Austria; what Steen had done for Prus-ia ; and what, by their uwn indusry and economy, the Swiss cantons had done for themselves. They did nut propose to create a peasant proprietary. (Cheers.) But what they wish-d was to legalise in Ulster what had been the cause of the prosperity of that province, and to extend it throughout Ireland (less its abuses), in the absence of soy contract inconsistent with its principles. (Cheer.) Ile (Seri-ant Skin) asked no better jury to whom to submit thia cause than an assembly If English gentlemen. lie had known them in private life, as magistrate., and in his professional avocations, aed he felt sure that if he could show the 'lan proposed to be preferable and more honest than that in existence, their verdict would be in his favour. (Cheers.) The evil, then, that they were seeking to cure,wos the direct result of an exceptional law and custom in Ireland, and he could not help observing. that in the elaborate speech of the right hon. gentleman he had carefully avoided the very point uoon which the whole question between him and Mr. Crawford turned. He did not make the slightest allusion to the maxim upon which the law relating to additions to real property rested—the maxim, " Quic quia plantatur solo, solo see Lt." In the Roman law the landlord was bound to furnish the tenant with everything necessary for the cultivation of the soil—with a house in good repair, barns for his corn, and stables for his cattle— and if in any respect the landlord failed in this, his bounden duty, the tenant could be reimbursed to the last farthing. (Hear, hear.) That was also the case in Scotland. In England fixtures were irremovable; hut, for every thing supplied by the tenant in addition, or by which the value and productiveness of the soil could be increased, and which remained aneahausted, the tenant was entitled at the end of his term to be paid accord ing to the law and custom of the 1. lace—that custom being in almost every ease fair and equitable. (Hear, hear ) But in Ireland they translated this maxim literally, and I without any qualification or restriction. (Cheers.) Now , the superficial contents of Ireland were about 12,000,000 1 acres; and of thou about 9.000,000 changed hands be tween the years 163.1 and 1895 by confiscations. (Cheers.) About the year 164 . 5 Ireland was what was called "settled —the Act of Settlement was passed—and he thought it would be difficult to prove by any certain authority that the evils they now complained of bad existed anterior to that time. The Irish parliament which eat during the reigns of Charles 11., William and Mary,. Anne, and the two first princes of the house of Brunswick, were com posed almost entirely of the new proprietors; and the laws passed by them were prompted by the alarm which their position inspired. (Cheers.) They lived in dread of a revival of the old esthetic interests, and they found a pretext for their legislation in the religion of the people. (Hear, hear.) They passed laws ostensibly to prevent the growth of popery, but really to keep down the native inhabitants and to prevent them from rising In assert their rights. (Chog.) By one law it was enacted that no papist—that was no farmer—in Leinster ' Munster, and Ceanaught should be capable of boiling land upon say term exceeding 30 years, or unless three-fourths of the yearly improved value of the land was reserved for rent. (Hear.) lie (Serjeant Shee) would not now inflict upon them any remarks upon the penal laws—" sufficient to the day was the evil thereor'—(laughter)—blot there was one sot to which he would allude. It had been passed to relaxes act which remained in force until the 21st of George 111. By the former act no papist was permitted to have a hone of greater value than five pounds; but this bill de clared that all stallions and brood mares, with their pro duce till it was five years old, should not be considered to come within the meaning of the act. (Laughter.) Under such a state of things the idea of improvement was quite out of the question ; and the policy which aeon out of the fears to which the conscious possession of plunder gave birth, became the normal amogement be tween the owners and the occupiers of the land. [The learned serjeant then proceeded to cruets Burke, Lord Cathcart, and various other authors, who wrote at different periods of the last century, describing the fatal et fats which had resulted to the industry of Ireland from the policy pursued since the act of settlement.] Some 60 yews ago the laws were altered, but the system had become inveterate. The different acts were sent over from England, and carried by force of the influence of go- Torment. They were paned against the wishes of the Irish proprietors, and they perversely adhered to the old system. Though the laws were altered, things were very little changed. From • statistical survey of the county he repre sented (Kilkenny), written by the father of the present Lord Lieutenant, Mr. Tighe, in 1802, mention was made of the bad state of the agricultural buildings and of the un improved condition of the farms. This he ascribed to the fact that nothing was ever built or repaired by the land lords; these things were left to the tenants, who generally came in without capital enough to stack their farms, still less to build, fence, or drain them. This was said in 1802. In 1843, the Devon Commission spoke in much of the same language, stating that the uncertainty of tenure was con stantly refereed to as a pressing grievance by aU classes. They declared that legislative measures were necessary to give efficacy to agreements between landlords and tenauts. It was admitted (they said) that the landlord did nothing in the way of building and fencing : all this was done b the tenant. (Hear, hear.) A little later—in • work which he believed was written from notes supplied by Mr. Napier himself—it was stated that nearly all the improvements were dens by the tenant farmers themselves. Generally speaking, that had been the state of things up to this time. (Hear, hear.) It had originated in the unfortunate alarms of men who bad possessed themselves, by means of the power of England, of the property of the inhabitants ; it was a system which had originated in the necessity of keep ing the people down ; and though the penal laws in which it had originated were repealed, the system Will prevailed. All the arrangements had been made on the understanding that the landlords should have all the produce of the soil, except the small part necessary for repruduction. Mort gages and family settlements bad been made on this basis; and now the landlords were so embarrassed by these en gments, and by judgments which they had acknow ledged, that they could de nothing for the improvement of their estates. These judgments or assignments were another result of the penal laws, which prevented Papists from holding land. The effects of this unhappy system existed to the present day. The people were crushed to the earth, were reduced to living on potatoes and milk and water, and were altogether is a state which was a shame to this country. (Hear, hear.) For the most part, the Irish cultivator was • tenant-at-will, in arrear with his rent, and under notice to quit. (Hear, hear.) They, were liable to be ejected at any moment by their landlords, who, in nine cases out of ten, were as innocent as the babe un born, the real ejectors being the creditors of the landlords. Under such a system what motive had the tenant—sup posing he came into possession of any capital—for invest-, ing it in the improvement of the land? Looking back at the wimple of those few who, induced by the apparent NO curity afforded by the acts of 1792, had built some decent farm-houses and made other improvements—of which there were some scattered instances up and down tho coentry— he probably found that they had died in the workhouse. (Hear, hear.) There were round none of the cheerful homes in Ireland that were spread over the whole face of England. The condition of the best estates in the best counties of Ireland was such as would bring a blush on the fate of any proprietor of stock in this country. (lieu.) The parks, mansions, and pleasure grounds wore much the same appearance in t he two countries ; but go beyond those sad the difference was most striking. '1 he eaus.Tieeke 'Many was that the landlords did node, g for the e' • pm, -.." ment of the country—that their condition w as s u c h teei they eosld not do anything, in justice younger branches of their fsmilies—end that te e tenants themselves wero deterred from w ee ... — mints by the liability of eviction. In le e k s ! , e i . """ i , e _ the penal laws had not operated, a sidereal argu e sprung up, and had produced a degr e e of prinper-7' which existed nowhere else in Ireland. (lieu, bee 3 He had been deluded into the hope, from hearing the hon. gentleman the other night, that be really ne at ' - ',.. introduce a good bill for leasing tenant-right to 'new"' The right hon. gentleman bud quoted Benito we 4,4 N, wit that i t was most injurious to shut out three fourths re M. inhabitants of Ireland from the possession of laud , and . a e iit a thirty years tenure was nut sufficient to induce the ower pier to build, plant, and make improvements. Tim sage revealed at once the cause of the misery of the te ity of C atev r i m i li l e, y stititn t l g e ftrhu s e. t en t e h d e . t u o i e t tc h e u r tl i 4 t :o t t o S f ta t yt r w sh i f re l , : l . b 4l ::: „4, :b ert: at at adeq :C a es o w n t ta o co i r e . e i tl r pi el o t an hz d t : o i n t a ro n p n d ro p p. e B !t ‘ea t a h r e g b u y P na ru t e:t e rts . : against the ip, ight hon, geatk, man. (Hear , bear ) Mr. Burke evidently conteinelatee the establishment of sueb • system as prevailed in Ulster the legislation and extension of which te the whole of lie: land had been advocated year after year by Mr. S. Crew f or d, The settlement of Ulster had been toad, under a Sm e l t prince; and the system of plantation pursued was precerip that which prevailed between lsi.dlord sod pellet, soder the old Raman law. This was perfectly clew teem m a articles of plantation, which required that the hied &ewe be let for terms of years or in lee at a low rent. Shortly afterwards, it appearing that th. se articles Lail bete viol ate d contract rack-rent, e e un undertakers t prec isely O r k e M e was issued, and the result was the forfei ture the lends. t er In every respect, save the 'meth of the arm , the law. The tenant , in both cases, was te betel and imprint, and he had the right, at the end of his term, on the law:lord refusing to purchase his interest, to sell it to any s e l e , et purchaser. Wherever that custom had fleeted in th e wine of Ireland, it woe impossible for any court of law or equity to disregard it ; for the custom of a di.trie the decisions of a court, and where • custom was immured, it was always enforced. The same wee dene so the Eneese courts; recently. in Lincolnshire, where the es'tom hod prevailed only 20 years, a tenant who Led marled Listen was held entitled to compensation. In Lace manner, et Ulster, if a landlord refused compensation to a name he might be compelled by law to give it. It was intonisle m that such obvious rights could ever be diereeinhe b y toesof legal acquiremeuts. These men knew well that the same right was established by usage in every enintry of Europe. Under the Ulster custom, an enormous 'm eet of property had becu aixuedaluted—probably le or ie mh lions; and it was important to remember that, theueh the tenaet right of Ulster wee nut once me teemed in the bel of the right hon. gentlemen, it would have the ,g g sweeping that right wholly away. (Hear, hear.) 71 4 learned acrjeant proceeded to read a list et norm peed f, tenant right. In one case a man had paid tor 36 acreseig. tenant right, the rent being 421. 6s. le another a maa be 57 acre., at 275. the acre, paid fir tenant right bOO', and is both cages the tenants had laid out considerable sums is ed. dition fur improvement... A third man held 3G Cunate. ham , b a d expeni l e d 21.11.11. in Luildieg, and heti pad 1201. for tenant right. In these end , eveial sineiu cuw enumerated the tenant might he turned out at a l a me ..., notice. Such were the cese s which the hotse had to pro vide for with respect t a the tenth, hut in same part, of It,. land tenant. had no protections fir these improvement, en. cept that system of aerarian outrage welch was Is die graceful to the legislature as it was to the perpetrate'''. la Ulster the protection w s tenant right, which until lax rues had never been disputed. The first attempt to to ilt occurred about ten years shier, and was made in a stealthy manner, not denying the principle, but dccl :ring against abuse; but since the opening of the penes a new Mon had arisen, and • new solution cat tenant mint. The landlord had now te consider whether he would con. liscato his tenant,' improvements by upholding the old rents, or would accommodate his f rtuaes to Limed eis cumstances and accept the reduction. In many eases the temptation had proved too strung fur the landlords' mete. pies, the tenant right, with all its real secumulatons of property, was in danger, and this truths state Of there which the house wan celled on to interfere. As a proof cat ow folly the tenant right had berg acknewledge4 by the aorihern landlords he might mention that Lord Caledonia' taking some land from a tenant a few years since to is crease his park paid the man 121. an 'ere tenant right. Lit them then see how far the right hon. gentleman', bill pro yid. el justice for the past and security for the future. as right hon. gentleman provided compensation for improve meats, but laid down u, a priuciele teat the improvement belonged to the soil, while the clause was merelyatrueLties of the Roman civil law, and :doge then altered the ler as i t existed in Ireland. The right hoo. gentlemen was, in fact, giving a right to • man to sue another in in for improve ments effected on that man's property. He (eerjeant Sher) did not quarrel with the principle e but the riaht boa. see Osman denied it, and a little fu rther oil tried toevade it, coolly declaring that for the tuoue the lendlord 'Meta claim buildings at a veluatien. The highest smote:of compensation under the bill would oily amount to Lar years' value after deducting the rent. The ATTORNEY.GENEItAL said that was a mistake of the printer's. Serjeaot SR EE said that, for a mistake, it was refute. ably clear and explicit, and referred for confirmation te another bill in which the prevision was repeated, sad continued to point out the contradictions in the clause, a geing that the extensible allowances fur improve meats would in reality be found to lie a delusion. The tenant was not dealt with fairly in not receiving men for what he had done. Any landlord who chose to say that buildings had been raised more than le yeas's, cooed wise eompenhation ; and the object appareney was ta estop the Ulster tenant for ever. (Hear, hear.) The rieht boa. gentleman (Mr. Napier) might say that the Ulster tad. leads would of course acknowledge the existing mean: bat he maintained that if no provision fur that were made ins general bill like the present one, the property of the Ulster tenants would be entirely confiscated. (Hear, hear) If the tenant considered the rent which he was paying toe Ugh wed wanted te go, he would have to leave all his ie. =ate behind him. lie had no objection to the lime f the tenants' claims u c mpensation. But there were numerous estates in Ireland which had ter aloe; period been nothing but potato rotates, the lea& Leeds not caring what kind of buildings existed; asi se improvements were to be paid for entree the tenant ia Making them had had the landlord's permission in wriest Didiculties were to be put in the way of the tenant before he improved which its en cases out of 100 would be Mau -1 elemble. The right hon. gentleman spoke the other evening of the mortality which had accompanied the subs., tution of large farms for small ores. From his statement ' it would appear that that mortality was greatest on estates where the farms were small; whereas the reverse was de truth. Now what was the course to be pursued when its tenant desired to make improvements? If be wished ts erect • building, as or a pigntye, he must prepare • plan 06 specilleatienajust much as if be wished to construct s bridge or a M dlway : he must then serve a notice on he landlord of his intention to make the improve manta ; he must lodge the plan and specitiestees With the clerk of the peace, by whom they wets Ate be published in the county paper; anti after al this had bees done, the landlord was entitled to step a re 1 a f soy und t e h r a t t h h e roment The tenant in that ease had to go before the Board I eproinyteisnidokeds of to t e h ff e e effect tnhde ImprovementlaAatt Weeks in Dublin ; the board would send dove an iaspee We the matter would be advertised again ; and notturee dal Istedlord, but any person interestea in the estate--h Might be a mortgagee, or he might be a widow with esinture—(great laughter)—any such penman might tact abjection.. A meeting of all interested was then to le galled in Dublin to dismiss the matter, and to determite whether or not the improvement would be good for all Pe` sena interested ; and as it was ten to one if the man who wanted the improvement hail not voted sieeee the landlord at the last election, it woe n ot im probable that the result would b e a determinatin that himself and his neighbours should be sal about their business and their farms consolidated To say no one should have compensation unless he wsl through all those forms was as goat as to say that he those have none at all. Let the house fancy a man who did as eat meat twice a week going up to Dublin ti nett Os Beard of Works. (Oh, oh.) Well, if he did not do that lit improvements could not he made at all. This bie speetively gave no compensatioe without all that tonsil. Again, the tenant was to have so compensation if kel evicted for non-payment of rent. (Hear, hear) li e re just built • house, perhaps at an expellee of 2001., er through some misfortune he became unable to Pee! rent. In such a case there was nothing to preset: landlord from turning him out without any comrestlit Under any other law the tenant would be all o wedand the proceeds would go towards the rent. tenant wee never to get compensation if he c esi .iatuLs: ef h h il i l e leavemen iee in th (um m his in Ireland improved bit by hit, and none of the improvise': would be paid for. The bill proceeded entirely on tho u s n ch accord . muat : t e ri 'as kec that ,cry justice? ? T 'l h h e e t re .. lef ae. position that the question to he determined was Oar * 1, 2 depended on • contract between the parties; when's"' real question was, what would be most likely to enceaSe improvements. In making these comments he 1101 fee? So intention to defeat the avowed object of the leoffeee meat ; but he would suggest to them that this bil l , =other bill which had been before the house several ems". should both leo referred to a select committee. tere bear.) It was, be hoped, the intention of all to act 101 and honestly, and not to ,treat in a bees:m . lv Peel! g . e . n e t gelation which hod really nothing to do with ren r :i t n hear.) lie hoped the goverement would not for Irish members to divide against the bill. fecy tee! D loom vie% to attack the just rights of property, part that such a course would be injurious to all s elMe . but they could not assent to the bill se Thetbiptbi object of the Irish party was to pass a gee: session, and for that purpose he trusted his eten w _._s referring both bills to a select committee would hr . in the merit in which it had been thrown ou t. re; members (he being one) in the enema parliament had returned by the tenant farmers for the first time e'fa, sent their feelings, and they were anxious to d,. t, e'en could to arrive at Is just and satislectery e c'ile aid sit long vexed question ; sod he hoped that anaiety crw eee; be uisapp elated by the determination of the eee, pass their own objectionable measure, and the ' , etK the hostility of the Irish party, preveut that or ar s - 1 ee measure on the subject passing during the oar se " present session. (Loud cheers.) • tbe ot tl Mr. ROSS MOORE, as a member representlef ths of Ireland, expressed his approval of the pr01e:...,, e i e series of government bine on the subjeet been introduced, and had not intended to d than offer some suggestions in committo, I -',. 1,