The Express. — London, England, 1847-12-07 00:00:00

~~: 1 THE EXPRESS, ITINDAY EVE ef ireimul would not hesitate or inlay to wry that law into demition. TA, lad of HARDWICK' Marna to • peddoo. Pm =lll lit the take port of do onesii, oespitilth . : ehlg=lsce‘th.eurisailleilltell dseyFeirnt doer meet to theism's@ at the senuttry. 'Lod PROUGHANdosired, thetas the Lontliestamot of helmet probseni hints" Mdlelled with the law as it p ir emsseen se, oath toish= y ittte to q u as i lo t ! the law stringent law eodd Avon dr t. AM BY mid , _ that aeotedinse to all the reports received. =reln Ireland did not shrink front the performance of duties. As keg eis that continued to be the caw, her Majesty's government would be indefensible, if they asked for extraordinary powers to set aside the administration of the existing law. Her Majesty's government shrunk from no responsibility ; but nothing would be more rub or unadvimble than that they should pass opinions as to what were or what were not speeches inciting to crime. In rases where the intention was most mieWevous, it had often happened, even in this country, that legal grounds for con viction were wanting. Their lordships adjourned at ball pat 7 o'clock. • HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY, DEC. 6. The Smut= took the chair at font o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINEAS. ricaness.-117 Mr. I. witines, .loot a plass net bead; Mr. Wee= treat tta Them trom ffinatruy ohne pal e= hest Covesagares, Mr We the am of Me ex. sellelkMr. E WOmeria, Sem ,Detty, Mee. wide. and Views, kr neesdhil leseemusi am !o. for ~,Inliald. It Imam_ lest ph= le . Mr. Ifilwfif• Kati Mr. low. beet 443 St 7 . -- in. apt= the ateaden et *we te —Mr. Pee= hen Out. kr Ms etiellasn et wilehlere .-114. Maw nose= ihemtlekade. bas the pealMment et Sum =WS parts cis kindle sseeMe bramoderws hem the =ea PlenTlONlL—Peathas awe peemend aping the , Vit ig hf , Ws% Peal" Lamas, Dundalk. 1 . Maass (Inasses.).—Mr. F. ,I Faze= *slues (thle Sp), teems be ham to nag a menh sir re= a ilmeghtl ....:=ls bee leshmi Beamena. = Yeti sf HA Made s„ a th pest ...im. :at en an ere* Ni re here, sew awe wows et =eke is the me= .care Me et simereski - seta a was el the lime MS kw eft's Mahan =Men Oahu the PIM% IM nesmise tbe leek of =ea at essians dm=east et 7 k oMu.* o at ; sad hem= metheinsit Ma avondar en thst otheimooMos a 1.1 71 Alf ar 11 l i s ap . Mreied i er he Me feu et not= Nig= es sea maw he perklid by rtes wed ...... we= ter ten useam. es teen sea--Mr. h Deenuen, Mar the rem. Is mese tre a whet essemlaes ike t i tlift Ws UM reed. sat MOW umseltel earsiessleteln ELECTION PETITIONS. The SPEAKER ammesseed that e sureties in the me t h of OM radon spirt the Marna for Great Yarmouth. dassitpeet,aul Means wine unobjectionable, and that Ougaided JlLeutgews7 he had received a letter, dated Doofoiloo Ili g bee the cm. Mr. Cholmondeley, that it was ..selibleitamakta to oppose the petition. THE COLLIERY INUNDATION, • 'NIG. GREY was undulated te say (in answer to a gees. lira ima Mr. F. O'Connor) rat mo representations had as yiebsomissilk the government reopening the recent Mundt. dem Nur Wigan, by the breaking down of one of the banks tt the dyer Doutlu, but when they did, the government, if maisawy, would institute an inquiry u to tee canes of the 01111111liii% BRITISH SPIRITS IN BOND. • Mr. MOFFATT inquired whether it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his proposed new Excise Bill, to extend the bonding privileges to British spirits for home consumption that were at present conceded to foreign sad colonial spirits ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that Inland sad Scotland had the privilege of wareboadag spirits, sad, is he stated on a *mu occasion, he bad di rected the ittention of the Rahman to various restriedoes whisk premed unduly upon manNtanre and memeree, sad me suppo s ed to be unnecessary. He hoped that me of them be removed, bat he oonld not say white en* =Meg whole soune intended to be puree= when int= allies the bill, which he would do after Chriskua BATTERSEA PARK. Hir 1. INGLIS iogoired why there was to mesh delay In isle effect the measure which paned to ISOM , tof the river at Chokes and the melds( of Park ? dad MORPETH said that some of the demands were NM te be so exorbitant that it was seessaary to tend them bolus a jury, sad the brat which was so dealt with on Setesday was Mend by the cordial Ma 10,2121. to 7601. ("Nor," and a bosh.) Idi r va that the rest Nth* claims be Meld Sheeted of at an y accelerated pace. FORBID T ARIFFS. • Mr. NEWDROATE eked why certain returns, relating * ie foreign tariffs affecting our customs, and n a - nd months4o, had not been presented ? Afted /W Aim* ARM TON said that a portion had been pre nented telearde the clues of lot evasion, and that other per- IR= Ica hew remind from tins to time at the Foreign. ell= bat were is ewe* languases, and he supposed the bea. gemiemea deiced more particularly to know how and toyariaim gosh waists wars te ha translated into English. Items of emu the ditty of the Foreign-office to lay the perm setatireg to bi mania before the . hones tr ans. halal t het ail we • deli MS it till usual pract ice, sad sous MINI Mgt be =pie d r! Weift ka it. It was for the le elleme iM wheUter he would ark to do the re ll s eala tedintien Gain ea Om Immee to authorise a trans- WIN Sr BlLNlNdrese te the WWII. lft lIWW!!GATE having sated for the direction of the gutix said it wu clear the house could not a tramieliss, and if the persons in the Foreign. wing *di net wqml/ ens, the only way was to address the OMAR limb' OM those returns might be forthwith laid loin MINN translated. EX-RAJAH OF SATTARA. Mr. G. THOMPSON shed if the Board of Control bad received informed= el the death et this prince, and whether trine leteaded to etw tiny betrestkats to the government of India is !shames N a previslon fee his family sad his 700 depenateta ? He (Kr. Thompson) had received urgent lodates how easiabsn Nem njah's family stating that they were fe cinnastences of extreme destitution. , Mr. O. LEWIS said that official intelligence of the rajah's firth-had beessuotimd from the Governor of Bombay, but bilielieeed die W• e wee =Mad to that simple state. •Jeell did wayddas respecting the emelitiou auedly iiiitilllllike to them of the pension. tit hiring given notice of his questioe, he ~. • .) taleildp s p e L ly anse to inquire upon the lab- NO mitealiner Nem to-morrow. ' •L MUR IRS IN IRELAND. awsiltiltill, mob! the Attorney. General in his 16 ask him a ghee*. of which he badelvenhim —Whether thine, Nit now stood would enable ilis law dime of the erowe'l6 Wag to trial those prints belated . whom denundeatat el penons from the alter line followed by their immediate murder? In ease the was in as litgatim, he wheel to ask her Majesty's if they wife prapared—glaw, Mr}— ' r: I. 0 . 03141 ML wand NMN boa the Speaker Anther it was empetent to the lea. emeabit to put a ciass• *a which involved ea atrocious astiMmy. •The SPEAKER till that the question was perfectly thir. (Hear, lotar.) _ 'Caps HARRIS believed the Anse would sot think it neemeary for him 'to =dee the interruption of the ban, amber. He wished to Mk, If his fast question was answered M . de negative, if the government were prepared to steusgthen the law in this respect, so that it might be able to ...i. willsthose whose peat moral Mittense over their eon gape them 6be power of instigating slab crimes? t •de bear.) IlerfOltNEY-OIiNERAL said he was obliged to the e a0, r .,..5., for the barb of the bedew he sad be e xttod at he had been promated theal= "64.* An iiii°a .He mid easily =ewer the bad Nen NM to tin th , but be wasbat aids to weed from any ebtembstabose whisk bad Wei rabasel bees IVOr papers. His smelter wee asthma; eat any who wad be proved to hale inciuWl tbe 011111111hdeli er, It beardiv, eold4 be tried eel- ennead; (Hear, Mr.) II his pcdtlea he Nati met Newer any question with mimed tit thd laim el the government TM V IN SWI T ZERLAND. Yr. B. one booed to ask the =bile Ink 'thee tt= Secretary ON • • AMM, titether the nem Nem. mem in Swl • • mks any difference withnsurd to the media .' . lowers in the ethics of that — Viseititir ~f. RESTON said that informable which thebsior —. • received showed that the Illell war in , . . ' Was at as sal. litedimics bapited baberernmee '' ' • emaradibe bad • there ante be Imager .11.... partite r i ttioemottry, thin wouldhe me . . . • ' ' t . PoZtViVOT. • 0. Nearer le a issistioe from Pow' memtbar, lihr G. GREY Mt that the Reminel Act et 151,0 - kbeen cothillend sad altered in 1647, sad it was sit the oftkil sweetmeat to nuke say . alteraties la that • Mather samisen of be working abbough bi a - rims* of ea law of orttleetent, the Ohmic& if rmeeval might Come woke emideration. 'APPOINTMENT OP ASSISTANT-BARRISTERS • Mr. P. O'CONNOR% to ask . the right hon. gentle. Man, the Secrepsy for d, if the law officers of the awes bad been ocasulted to tbe appointment of Mr. Preach ad amether s ==cr sane we did sot catch, tithe V 4. SOMERFILLE said that, not hay* . g ha d modos he was not able to glee a dlittailit salver. Iflttrir k ircaolt was appointed he was not in bet ha premed the keAlkutimant could Duke NA spp out, obit eat; without reference to the law officers of the teem. .. CRIME AND OUTRAGE IN IRELANIL Os the motile for the ardor of the day for OS semi r7l"this bill, 113 of . O'CONNELL said that, in the abeam= tithe M. member for Limerick, owing to severe indispoitigm, he roes to mon the useadoseat of which the ham, isamtre had given neties—via. that the other orders of the istr_fro reed. He felt It to he his bovitehle duty fo offer to this till, in this .sat sissy OM Maps, his dsteamiaed °melds.. Emu if it wore sot that be had eliections to several ohms of the bill, N. should feel eishisi te scow ii, as reamed had not amend oat their deolaselimp of bringing in. remdial tinwares fez the &Moog etege of Ireland Ned la kind WA Mae d es eta f oo li s t ihm ellereisa. lie would not eater Mu saw a of the pluvial:me of the bill. Se woad ask bow No . gorminseint hit tic.— 10 7 .122 4: '' t / s.''' strenuously ••-- two years r mem* ' hired sew how* ea the people Oinked ? There wee no protezt o ih o rkg a esseeles Mak Me gement ss. It WAS kas ar s. 47 rieersieist that rkers. kid .been le devise • assmarts of . the of the DOW bill e; liirklitiaat e h s e seide at Mabli Tr ialt: re maser* Mk &dared that the Ones ei.=rewriter, was the • el • is the waxemay questios. mwentawat, demeess% were without eseesek maks a serfdom bill, whkk Wight wait till the time of llwi Cyder wake arrived. In the interval of two emellis white world elapse, the ark nary powers of the law might be stratedied to their stunt extent, and then if they would come and say that it had been tried to its utmost extent, and failed, and called on pulls. asset to strengthen the executive, and to give them powers beyond the law ; if this could be said in February, be (Yr. I. O'Connell) far one would give them his entire support and concurrence in the molt stringent measure of coerdcia they could propene. The right hon. gentleman the Secretary he the Home Department said the other evening that Ito lei umildently expected that a new era would have in Ireland, and peso', good order , and tab' Gave pear fled, but what had been done by the governess's* and parbuient to ensue such a state of things? The right hon. sentlemes had no right to say this till the government had silassessddrimisis ill the social cor dittoes of Ireland. The right boa. geneemas mid it was the duty of the govern ment to look to the INNS of the evil, but, at present, they could not wait for the 11101, progress of legislation. He thus condemned himself, for the government bad thrown away the last mission by not then bringing forward remedial mea sures. He agreed with the right boo, gentleman in think ing that it was rot in the power of parliament to do eve*. thing for that country ; but what had they done ? He (Mr_, O'Connell) denied that they had done anything. He put be to the government, that before they pressed this mummy ' they should try the present law to its utmost es. teat. Let them bring in a short bill to increase* , pollee and to establish a registration of enne.l Such a hill he would support; bat they ought not to ask fur the other powers in the bill till the law as it stood had lean tried, until special commis ions had bees tried. It was said that special commissions had not been heed bemuse there were such few cues to be tried ; bat yet a ammo width involved an infraction of the con asimelea was to be brought in for those few eases. Matters weregestieg askew in Ireland—the government had taken op the sefereieg of the payment of rates with and it had bees adesittail that the three last outrages as simian were ; isksulded. The governmest Ohm the opinions of hostile to the people without the advice dmepepsdre party. They had taken the opiates@ of the megistmene, a set of men who never showed any anxiety far the boss& of the people, and were never pea vainest bat what mama of severity against the people were proposed. (The her, gentleman then read a letter from Mr. Casks, a arightrate in Tipperary, to the Lord Lieutenant, which stated fa effete "That all the magistrates required wee that on a proclamation by the Lord-Lieutenant all the arose in the district should be lakes up, that there should be • system of police-surveillance, that had characters should be subject to transportation if found out of their houses after certain hours, that there should be a summary evil of offenders, and heavy fines imposed on the district in defeat of conviction of the guilty : in such a case the Lord-Lienb tenant might rely on the conparetion of the magistrates of Tipperary.") Thislwas • *LLD of the advisers of the government. They had also another bad adviser, and he was a member of that house, the right hon. gentleman the mem ber for Tamworth. Thst right hon. gentleman said the other' night ghat he bad had to peeve the same cue in 1814 re that which was brought forward by the right hen. gentleman the Home &meaty. Whose fault was that ? Had he not been at the head of the government ? Had he no better measure of statesmanship then what had been well called the vulgar expedient of coercion. Like the sailor who desired only more rum and more tobacco when be hargot as much as he wanted, the right hem gentlemen could ooly propose more wend= and mess arms bills. It was mainly to him and his party that the distreeted state of Ireland was owing; and yet his advise we %hes by a government which had • ehareeter he mate messeM62 be lose. The right hon. gentleman declared that hi Maid set sweat to the intro deaths of eseasaree le theismalt of Inland at the same time with those of ourcion, for be won eat one of those who wesM hold parley with murder. (Hear, hear.) If he meek that they (the Irish party) bed so, be (Mr. O'Connell) Grew boa the kmaialima. The right honourable baronet lad She 1110WWWIlla w :A1,10WIL There was aethig ia tchis: lead se tem* to Lideleit r a detec tive owithey ealy be she system in Indeed. wet may li bear the rightlies gentleman the Home issmlsry gin semrehisg like an assent to this on the pert Mthe govenween. Me Implored the government not to list that accursed epees= spread through the country. With mud to the b - el messnres which were to he propose% they had km tell of a greed jury bill, which was no desk much wanted; bat this was only a bill regu ladng aamtbliesimetitutiou, Ned set one which would go to the amwes e the social mils of Ireland. Then there was the bill to facilitate the sa'e of encumbered Metes, which was exesillat be its purpose, and weed, no doubt, produce geed results ; but they . must he in the future. It bad not been brought in or sold, and, with the intricacies of the law of landed gasperty, the time would be distant ere it rpm. imislt.; time . He had heard of no other memos, thi Landlord and Tenant Bill, which was said Whelk There wee abundance or evidence to show was at the bottom of the ir t ilie. evils of a question relative to this bill soma he was told that it was in preparation, bat the es difficult a one that it must be post art Mr peke. This was what had been said for 56 Other ere ties , Prussia among the rest, Mill this meatelse, end yet England had ail biliall eMbfleaftera ; d r setae dlh aiti;ol'llitioe front. If age Tia P a tu=9ll* ilitikeitaisteentre for this object, keeposea t would wore In earliest, and the happiest effects weddings ro d la Ireland. But the pro f:nit!!! Own bl Iffiffe 51' ial ineseeres, had not been foIMON. All that LA been promised to the deputation whisitbad recently wallelspea the noble lord at the head of theigle gut iha snoistance should be given to the logell - 4, 2an lialtgliMallise 'mold only relieve 500,000 out of purple in Ireland, and he (Mr. J. O'Connell ° co s itt sil eistept it es adequate to meet the distress and destitution which prevailed. The government surely could not know the extent of that distress and destitu tion, and it therefore became his duty to lay before the house some facts on that subject. He held is his hand • statement of the condition of eight parishes in the west of Ireland. One parish, of which the Rev. Mr. Maclean was priest, contained • population of 2,188, the timber of deaths were 90; there were now 772 totally destitute, and those likely to bums so immediately were 1,007. Their condition was gas& worse than it was last }ear. Another parish, of which the Rev. Thomas King was priest, contained 2,64 Is population, the deaths were 100, and the number utterly destitute was 2,000. A third pa fish, wader the are of the Rev. Mr. Feeney, contained 2,800 mesas—the number of deaths bad been 200 and there were not six families is the parish that were not utterly destitute. Another parish, of which the Rev. Mr. Morgan was priest, eonbtesd 3,4oo—the number of deaths was 623, those uttuety destitute were 1,000 in number, and there were not above 4 or 6 families that were not likely soon to become so. The lime. Mr. It'Hals reported that his perish bed a popu lation ef 6,9oo—the deaths were I.ooo—the number totally destitute was 8,184, and the rest Lindy to fall into the same coadlells, oleept 6or 7 families. Another pariah presided over by the Rev. Kr. Lyons had • population of 1400—the deaths were 36, and the number of destitute per sona was NO. The pariah under the care of the Rev. Mr. Moylan bad a population of 4,2oo—the deaths were 600, and the number of destitute persons was MA, and nearly all the rest of the population was about te became se, and in the Rev. Mr. Enonght's parish the =a was 9,4oo—the death& were 600, those totally ewe 2000, in number, and of the remainder 4 wow Mews to be redo°. d to the same condition. These wee here with Maid not be disputed. To show what was reephrei he !mimed, he would quote a paragraph from a bluerMildredby his Grace the Catholic Archbishop of Team Dr: WHale to her Majesty's ministers. He writes — o .Prealeitiles tode end property is our prayer—we desire • merionse el peeNstion which .hall embrace the lives and property ef all disees. Oar sympathies extend to every porde& se estalg, bet if there was no hope for the starving the poor-law, a speedy repetition of an the v. mn beim would follow. Theratore, we impkee' proles*e fee paperty and for what is far more valuable, the Eves of ues - 41 1. Now what bee the government done tetnest tbe ? The hew had been told that the enema el peereates het bees imileved to an unexpected extent. If the ma which had been realbed was spent in relireling nit embalm and inereadlig &strew, thena pesimplim sem 'posed he sansiletien; but the' mewl weint Wash* that mest of thin Lions were ia deb., Li that Mire inn heavy arrears of expeaditme which swat line be ihtemiged out of the hods se edlested. He impleared the Lose et Ls to show rime swan of the Is. jury 6001116 baked by depriving bar of her own pun& 1 runt. flat step had been cruelly and criminally taken. Beau menehess Weald not dated the way is which the Lisa 1,111111110114 bat held that It eight es le rE ar te e :sett= i o. tr isi Vr i t eihr ealsolhe at be ELM to Zeal* the delimit hail mined. Sepal tide wheelies : • How LOS mmilibi het frame% support her papas i In ISIS Se gemeamest emembelosers stated that in that year them worm Sinikes pee* destitute; but what was the row iner f Oa tbe see head, the e*tal of Ireland had • bees smitakil4disikidied,and on the Wise band pauperism bed liikesbnt keemed; and theagh the capital was inedildwirk UN to ft 110 . 6 .2. 1re1and Was now callet e n with a , to support the MOM whisk sew in that country. Theme IL =tal l by haws of th t e rotate sop Ld been adafftled te Ws sot Met them LI,OOO . That anittent had bess'isieftesd by the her el Mesh and pigs, so that the define* of treelike emitel Lai net be estimated at lea then from mamma, be 1115000,0001. How, then, ia lemon mak was it peek hi Ireland to support 4,19319,00: e t ( li g at the mood time ? He asked this ootastreki , though* might be taunted' fob it. He asibid ihe t for swam, and let thus afterwards shame Ws It what they ahem. He hid never yet meals *A hoses any ilea& se ameidentlea he Irish ( of M. Ile resealed that assertion wok in end &Denial. lbst the Intimate of Ireland bad i = sd besa to Me kfteesti of Eng- lead. Tle MA a gain le. Ms Limy she reed, fte he Laid , Wt ea Ms qui& a ti: s a i r the Liss ease eserweet maks that_ Ilsed WalEs if he 'to til litive •" bad b..-- -- - - = l. • Ir Ztl ej T A as the do:hunt I .. . _ tlf . = - in. Mos MC went 12• 11 brat begiels ' Whe mesa ashes they law immellits aid 2 1 11rij NBA Be mad sett eede&hee--the eletelle= lit *e lks , • b t a lt ilill easea bl i gif s thr/ lik aalt ill A m mem. sod the espeallstre newt mkt idler Ask amounted to 3,444,210 E The mei pity la thses lame was 2,163,7101. • and be begged Mee how it wle s ksegte that rated prope rty could staid the key of nearly which would be necessary, now that the food relief had ceased ? Hem he submitted that the government ought to some lerward with a rate in aid from the imperiel taMi . - Ile which Ireland contributed as well as Bat there was yet another fearful winter, =Telhig fir immediate 0011aii•ration. In Ireland fever and awe dbestes were now spromiing rapidly, and in addi: =r ati o = 4: ta l fll:l l.lm akMas, thi Tate ß :h rc e Ps' sad hem the of papa teed, war ill to the le= o rlliatele Maws ta ti i mp hismarat elhe eima lai meth a d em i l ill e la rerematalrr al lhe ea this eld• of the water to fundeh i gto eke* the spread ef dhow. Those remmentediel =by the repeat of the Board of Health t the answer of the government in thireereffelay ? IY4elated that they regretted to learn that hoer bol sot but they had no power under the laws for ankles Imps ter that purpose after the lat of October. Why, then, dB not they tome to this house to ask for powers to keel& means instead of seeking a bill of cosesion? (Hear, beer.) Oa the subject of ths pm law, be weeld only ad/I noting mew— Ii that thaw* lilted the sup wiLf trot ewe eer, all ,were. sgbs--tim sod the artina— i';'. every elm was li p i s 'l • l,l*.e j e ttee takeover /Meat noise which the country - laloarel. Many of the better elm were reduced to a ciendition whir* almost made them thinenales for the wackier/am. The Mo.- amber Mamma eammes extracts from the Ma meepagm e ts wi skeer lhe prevalence of distress, together hide MI et provisions. The hon. and leaned wressiser they al= M some of the proceedings of the Isla emaell, sad mid aid be entirely dissented from the peeped of extending the laseme tax to Ireland, which would he aim ands that esmate7. However much the Irish membere were divided en ether subject', they concurred in thinldirg that no dependenee could be pleoed on the poor law for the , seiest of rife in Ireland. Their representations were met by the reports of goreresseat officials,who had a direct interest in 'nab", favoorabiempoves, and representing thing as batter thee they were. The me morial of the Irish hierarchy to the Queen ought to eon mend attention from ministers, and convince them that something far different from a coercion bill was needed. The Irish hierarchy had the full confidence of the people; their representations were supported by the balk of the Irish members, who were unaaintons in declaring the law in sufficient, and in asking for some modifieation law of landlord and tenant. Every one !new that a amount of capital had been hoarded, free the inability of tenants to employ it in the land ; this gamey had now been applied for the engross of emigration ; sad its dowiagiet a the country oodd oily be perreetei_bq • mom saiablisbiag tenant-right. Let parkamet. Mao lialahalf act air deter, do ionise to the ismommt, rag read Me Every past cemathess eadeweeismelhaWsenTle of Ireland misty to the lasseerity et temet-right. Is the digest of Lord Devon's oommkeden, the some fast was Meted and deplored. It was to be regretted that, while every pamphlet which maligned and misrepresented the eolantey wee eagerly laid hold of in Engle/ad ; end quoted en both aides of the house, the testimony of one disinterested wit ness, an Englishman, Mr. Wiggins, had been entirely over looked. This gentleman declared that the want of tenant right was the monster grievance of Ireland. The same thing had been asserted on the bench by Chief Judie* Pease father. This fatal cause had been long in operation, nod would continue so, until Ireland was plunged in chaos awl blood. In allusion to the unhappy victims of the recent minden in Ireland, he was bound to state, after the attempts that had been made to blacken the character of the pea, sentry, by representing the victims as men of the most hu mane and unimpeachable character, that in several of those cases there had been harsh treatment of the tenon. V. al lie late Mr. Roo was stated to have broken his word to a tenant. In proof of this the hou. member read a letter ' from a Mr. W. Loghlin ; also an extract hem an Irish paper, charging the Miliff Hill with making am untimely distraint on a tenant named Quayle. The right her. the Home Secretary having, in a speech of three MM. 'raked up everything be could to blacken the charts:Mr of the peasantry, and to exhibit the crimes of those he low estate, he woe bound to expose the mime of those in a higher position. (Hem.) The homarable member then read some further extract., reflecthsg en the landlords generally in severe terms, and stated that he had several others in his possession which he should refrain from reading, because his correspondent bed stated that some parts were perhaps too highly coloured, Government ought to pass a coercion bill, not for the peasantry, but for the landlords, for the sake of teaching them their real interests. In Osier, where tenant-right prevailed, the landlord was sure of his rent, and the tenant was prosperous. Zst e si objection to this system was that it prevented the tion of small holdings ; but that was a light evil, an weighed against the great good which resulted from the system. R. ' aavuomed no theory, but was confident that a ressorattlea of i tenant-right would effectually atop the murderous proem& ings that had recently taken place. To the present maths bill he objected in foto, because it was unaccornpaniedby mea sures of relief. As to its details, he objected to them bream they made the Lord-Lieutenant a dictator, and gave him a power above the constitution. The right hon. baronet who introduced the bill had described it as one of merely local application ; but the Lord-Lieutenant, if he chose, might enforce it is every county in Ireland. True he was a good and humane man, but it was not prudent to iirmst him with powers so arbitrary and unlimited. Another objection was that the bill embraced the penalties of the Whiteboys Act, and made them applicable even where there was no proof of outrage and murder, as required by the Whiteman Act. The power of search was a dangerous power, although given by this bill only in a mitigated form. As to the power to call upon the country to go in search of the murderer, he believed it would be utterly inefficient and inoperative. If the bill did reach a committee, which he hoped it would not, he should ba l e to battle the several clauses which it con tained there, anal he would not, therefore, at this state go further into detail. He called upon the government to re hire* the distress of Ireland--to be just to her—and thus to avoid the necessity of such bills. Ireland could not be crushed down into utter misery without this country suffering also—nothing could prevent the poor of Ireland from sealing refuge in England, and they would bring fever into this country, and throw the bunion of their !Mato name on its people. Again, he would ask what would be the state of Ireland in the event of this country being at war—how could rebellion be prevented there if justice were denied ? Notwithstanding the wrongs of Ireland, the English people advocated this bill—ail the papers of this country, with the exception of the Morning Chronicle, were hounding on the government to coercion ; but that paper, to its credit, was advocating a settlement of the differences between landlord and tenant. The hon. gentleman pro oseded to defend the Irish priests from the charges which had been made against them, and declared that but for their exertions society would long ere this have been at an end in Ireland. Ever since the connexion of the two countries Ireland had been opprened, and whenever relief was given it was meagre and tardy. Eighteen months had pawed since the last coercion bill wan proposed in that house. and not one measure of justice bad been adopted—not one single act of eubstantial kindness had been shown to Ireland, and now they found the very men who had so nobly opposed coercion coming forward as its friends and advocates. (Hear, hear.) Mr. POWER condemned a coercion bill for Ireland, un acoompaied by remedial saemaren He wished to see crime put down by the streag that of the law, but he thought the existing law we eerily edlaiskt lerthe pur pose. If extraordkory power* were le be metal far the Pmme he herierld the Jfeeele*Nllli te hetet as dm. raster el the mem whe mesa heel-tin Mere powers into asst. Wing Vary act the Ishh imaisei sad magis trates, +he gmeamly had beer magi* le leek upon their Cobb letealtrea es an labeler mt rase?_ Am* they were dam:i mam to be entemitillk m ekauthority. The M isi gelgieman *ea eshadel the Usk prisms Ikea the ashreeiles whisk be said hal beset Itis open mei timbal thel they teem eitimlatiteleWhweder to utak ember Ike te emsemw IL Es lb me teed, that the 10111•111 . athelle ii.ea wee lea • with eoesdatimel liberty, lwermang Spain, a pert el the United Mateo of America, and, Molly, the earls of Pius lE. to give hakes to hay, is pawl of the minion. Mr. GRATTAN said he would support the ammo of the government because he thought the time bed Nine when humanity required support in Ireland. (Hear, Mar) He would support the bill for the honour of the Irish Widow, which woe tarnished by cowardly murder,. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend the member for Limerick introduced a great des! that wee irrelevant into the discussion. He talked of the want of assistance on the part of the munernment to re lieve the distress and misery of Ireland. That was all very right, but the present was not the time for that question. (Hear, hear.) The question of direness had nothing to do with tits question of outrage and crime. A man starving would some to ask for breed but not to take away life. (Hear, hear.) If a man wanted to go toe relief committee, ha did net go with a pistol or a blunderbuss, but with a oan for his asap. He thought that his hea. kissed had taken away hem Itieseaf eh gross* be emesitisa a the meamm, bemuse he did set support the memintiled puspasi ii. the &diktat, ea the pound that the pati tes imiti L geetheuin, the Secretary for the Home and the right hon. gentleman the therstary Doha, declared that the people would be kept from starvation. He saw very little coercion in the present lit (Hear, hear.) When compared with the mmenree at 81t,1822, and 183.5, it seemed te him to be a mitigated and a wretched—he would not abuse the WE lie was pear to sup p rt—(langhter)—but he was surprised that his ken. friend did not see the detest Invisibility of the oarillian It ton- Mind This could not be eons& an arms bill, Or it would wily Whet them who would be likely to use them for the de strostica of human life.• Hs thsegle it right, wheat a moo. dm wes merstittad, that the people &saki passes tha guilty pestle& Bit ha amid p farther lim tha 1111, he he *mkt make the rich man r ae seat la permit as ma sa r i g man. (Hear, hear. If a man had geopmhy lee le defend it, as was wi t Lard De Freya' lad in who armed their tamale tits . 2mem. His bee, alluded to many points the sole= Mediae 4 the_ -- --- -k mpeelallrror —s- • related aea landlotd - ant law. The . _ _.. goverment de -1846, that no per -a between landlord state, and that world not enter ma omen, Ed no WWI namerwnen me mama on tne eves- w i ve v i v a o a k wawa for doe - . Ma hen. : itli g li t 4 " i tit pt i iof the bal. I as asks es ellpkalargo* e'retil team had t ... , that IhSland landed es Ray OW whisk 4•671: serious LW kr , Abe ii" 0 " 04 . 14 . k. iilt thm e s iv , I ",, fttitilld diA mac ri:.wdt. prove that ; he eo tinned n- nt the atnend Inn rr l tte e l t a P n winn ridlo and v tanant law. mama}ll 4 oo.4 tnetlyWiereeg hich reLWd rhri n a t o aaa l u" : "" - a ,i t a t • e i..i ,t 4 , lol _____,_ ,___aLth? !t_°_,,thiltir bee prevent noble lord 1 1:.t t 2 1 .1 h ir ead A r o i l the ie g overnment , that no aftenemendy Ihe emeolon blll of the late government " I P"L't l " d i s TaZ d as ''' , was bound not to allow du n ed 'uhrco ntend that ° the P relitions between lar renegge lelli erremt u lgebag a" dene nntning anay kr o n ne ntd grrev it an n e t :, ntworroontsx-vn their [slow -ereatures in Ireland to perish . Let 'I, c ull i, l re l an d were is a ear i e f ae r ety state, alic N "►, •: DECISIdER 7, 1847. . - - jar.wa et of the law as earl Irpleasedied by be as needled wither Wog, far, by st i i ii q now one et the great erne et roe Oben hoz) Thee we • questioa whisk s hi t s ' tad, if the noble lord did met modem Xis beirepari te joia his hat. Irked im s on the geereaset. He tharkt the r oma eradirea vas mot treadeseas Ike feet and Nowsnendreme It her teak woe mot relhed, Woe. hese.) The ham peatieera era rehear 0 the ammotallo widish bed beim MO opera the Berea SOW* rev. whir be preerrer ee be armadell MI eehoodems. I t how of tremer whore the urea 0 that rat* test brio la idesarrod nose aria, be cold show l oth Ihneehshihn *other thok bad bees seat ee Roman to and even to Rem= catholic bishops. Bethat the Lord Lieutenant would net wait for the proset measure, bat that he would pour police Into the disturbed distrkte, which he had the power of daft at present. The farmers of Ireland were thaws/vs* moat anxious for this bill. (Hear, hear.) Ho wee repared as Mid the cowardly assassins, not by an ceder to prise mad balk but to present and fire. (Laughter.) Those were the me he bad given, and which enabled him to be there. His had re ceived notices and this; was the way be would meet them. It was due to ' the honour of the country—it was their duty as men, as citizens, and as chrlstians, to upport the present bal. (Hear, bear.) Sir G. GREY said that the speech of the hon. gentleman who addressed the house confirmed the opinion with which he rose, namely, that it would be mummery for him to ap pal to the house to reject the motion proposed by the bon. member for Limerick. Ile felt convinced not only that a majority of that house but that a majority of the Irish members would not lead themselves to a measure the effect of which would be—he would not say to obstruct the fur ther progress of the bill—but to obstruct the government 1 when they eame to discuss its principle and provisions. He ' rose principally to express his hope that those gentlemen who felt the importance—en importance which he could not himself too strongly Impress upon the house, of promptitude in palming the measure, would not be led by the speech of the hon. member fur Limerick and the hon. gentleman who seconded hie motion into that wide field of discussion to rhich they had invited the house. He asked of them to abstain from that discussion now, not because he disagreed from the views of the hon. gentleman, many of which were deserving of the considered= of the house, but because the present was not the time or the occasion for discussing them. He, therefore, hoped the house would allow the order of the day to be read, and oa the motion for the second reading the objections waist the bill and the opinions of members upon it might be urged ; and at that stage of it he would address a few words to the house in explanation of some of its provisions, and to remove miscon ceptions which might tent respecting it. With regard to the feeling against Ireland entertained in this country, to which the on. gentleman referred , he totally denied that any such feeling existed. (Hear, hew.) He believed that I the desire of England and of every Englishman was, that Ire land should be virtuous, happy, preaperone, and contented. (Hear, hear) But there was • feeling, a deep-seated feel ing, in the minds of the people of this country against the unchecked progress of crime, and the foul and dastardly assassinations which occurred in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) That opinion was echoed by members on both side, of the house, from whatever portion of the empire they might come. They asked the house to consent to a bill to check this crime and this system of dastardly, cruel, and secret Ittiligial4 don, which wee a disgrace to any country calling iteelf Christian and proforstng to be civilised. (Cheers.) He would not enter into a detente of the proceedings of the last 1 parliament, nor refer to that series of acts of parliament ' which were conceived in a spirit of generosity, and he would add of juttice for the relief of Ireland, nor of the days, and weeks, and months, which had been spent with a view to mitigate her distress. Neither would he enter into a de. fence of the conduct of the government. If the hoe. ger,- man thought them reprehensible, let him bring forward a substantial motion, early, openly, and honestly impugning their administration towards Ireland. He would then meet it in the same spirit, and would be prepared to abide by the opinion of the house. But whatever opinion might be en tertained of the conduct of the goveroment, let it not pre vent them from considering a measure immediately neces may for checking the progress of crime in Ireland. (Hear) Mr. F. O'CONNOR said, that if he thought the appeal of the right hon. gentlemen would have the effect of restoring peace in Ireland, he would be the last person in the house to postpone the object in view fora single moment. He thought that the right hon. gentlernaa must have oft= withed, during the speech of the hon. member for Meath (Mr. Grattan), to be saved from his friends. It was the misfor tune of Ireland that there never had been unanimity in her coancils, and that those who undertook to represent her distress and griefs could never agree among themselves era any remedies. He did not wish to appear to defend Measeiriation, but he believed that the present measure would only lead to further crimes of a similar character. The Ma. member fur Meath had offered his cor dial to the measure of her Majesty's government, he tad them that he himself would not wait le rifts sad lead, but would present and fire and prime sad load shearers. (Laughter.) He told the house that it wr thers edgy who refused to act that required the bill ; while the aeblelard to whoa be referred, end Mr. Grace gad klieself; did met down& say extraordinary measures =mil the emallentinn, Be charged the hon. member insuwi tea the question of Irish distress as being lrrsiewad. whilst he himself went through thewholeettimaters cormaidon. (" Hear," and laughter ) In the speech et the hen. gentleman who had just spoken there was the Warr ground for isolating on remedial samseres, for it was there confessed that the government had hitherto done nothing for Ireland. Let the government have recourse to the stringency of the ordinary law before they applied to parliament for fresh enactments. He as sorted, on the testimony of the highest authorities, that the invariable effectof coercive measures was to bring the ordinary law into disrepute. He had been asked if it were possible for the Lord Lieutenant legally to change the venue ; end, as a barrister whose practice had been as great, for the time that it lasted, es that of any one at the Irish bar, he replied in the affirmative. He confessed that vie only surprise which he felt in reference to the present period was, that Ireland was nether more disturbed. The right hon. gentleman had broughtforward his bill of indictment, but he had not told them that it ap. peered, from the newspapers of that morning, that the soli citor for the Provincial Bank had entered 800 declarations on its behalf. He did not oppose the bill because it was too stringent, or because he objected to arrest the hand of the murderer ' but because he believed no good would result from it. Let the house observe what was the opinion of the highest authorities in reference to similar laws passed for similar purposes. The hon. and learned gentleman then read an extract from a work of Bavaria on crimes and pun ishments, in which it was stated that Was count:rim and times most notorious for severity of punishment, had always been those in which the most atrocious crimes were com mitted, the hand of the legislature and that of the anemia being directed by the same spirit of ferocity. He also read an extract front Montesquieu', "Spirit of the Laws" to the same effect ; and also from Lord J. Russell's work on the Government and Constitution of England, in order, as he said, that the house might have an opportunity of judging of the difference between Russell courting the favour end support of Irish members and Russell sitting atedfastly on thearene of office, careless of their co-operation. (Laughter.) Irish members were frequently told that their cotto ny ybeets treated very bountifully by the English pulite =lout that that parliament could not go further and with Irish landed property. To ere had been into =ia the me of England; why should It not be a te Ireland ? If asked to explain the cause of the = i tis of things, he would reply that it ail arose from tance that the Irish landlord was a poor proud imalllaitabter)—too proud to work, and too poor to live orillotst work. (Renewed laughter.) The landlords of the ewe countries must unite and not allow land, the reality, to be sacrificed to free trade, the fiction. The very mildness of this bill was what he most dreaded about it. In that rennet It was in harmony with all the former professions of the ._telh(gs. What did they do for Ireland when formerly et the bead of affairs ? Instead of bending an agneultnral lord lieutenant to an agricultural country, they de spatched thither a sort of officer, with plumes and feather', fiying, like another Don Quixote, through the country proclaimag gaol deliveries and liberating felons. (" Her, haar." and laughter.) It was said that Lord Clarendon was such a me _shrewd men that the execution of the power of the bffl might very safely be Warr to hiss. Remould pot =Oar any sea with such , pewees. The rasa which roar Ia Ireland was not =t i lt' uudecreed la this orrat. He weer relate to a power osperelle whir - timer 1* Mistral* It. Having been throe* Areal his horse at Claaeklifp is VW he fell ate malwronem with the servant of a gattiewieu who teat him a gip to esavey him bore. The urea tad his that he bad .100 eeriest to a captain is the aray, end that his WWII! *slim with a major is the sate regiment, rad the orlst), went out oa re crake with Unfit bre rn led were in the perlass as White stwely the Its* Night have ampleyrat amongst (Lawlr). This v eered alatisord to were Rahman, OISE SINIVISIO Sit l; but, es = were goatlmart eseseoesed, he retort to interfere. wes the rebore which the Irish people WWI the Oars. Hs hod lOWA lIA • *MI* • be would aow speaks en aft w i dt at hs, sal k red bar raiser that he was one of ilk bra ht Oa tpentry. la doe hire opacity he had em pire* two Mohr eel frp mid pier day, and no power ea oak dear 'maim sr titillate este ef kis Labourers. There re met a pia armee in freer af eh, bill by the el& hem, horst whir Right not be tared to its MAIM NAM It would be made one of by the lamillords to no ewer role ors rents, jar r they sad red every other ireitere, that whir soolelletedps aaremen_for their oil edweeer eon o, wither rissakiefee the lsaat. nap had hotol_rair e t ir t h m t d i ebsie si. isk li: r mt i tir e rra i stry il bat lni r ig wan i li ofair the per prey preer So was urs gagman, de Wee* doing equal Janda, Matt that tinkering moiler e raw; elle aphis+. He implored the se to take 4=l ono kW the other hirers of ilea or class, la trhatever was *de lief to no . elf Moor likrad. don % For laminar he wag la algae this bill, fro the preamble Oa the last ilium. Win told that Marl airraree would allow It. He wail what whig air. KiK meant. He knew that treltz w er . as limn their and nothing from thdr as= wear auppeott roped vfnecirrowlf ' eo eagbie dm to held ties taists 1 2 te th., 41 .0 . = trayald heist Regard remollalhis (Kr. °Von aloes) strantane trea d; bid i - o 'Qs' •ha would give *rep ponfbie appealable. Hr. D. BROWNS should support *APIA riding of ale bat, because it did not go too - fa, beaus the circum stances of the country required it, because it would affect only guilty parties in certain districts, and afford prase. Lion to respectable persons in the midst of a reign of loner. lEto also eapported it bemuse be believed k would be administered by the Lord-Lieutenant is • *kit et moderation and humanity. lie supported it imams I. believed that the majority of the people of Ire lead MI no moth% with three cruses. He believed the maJority of the and the priesthood ware anxious that these aurden Id be put an end to. He believed that ale alladarall wars Outcasts and traders in blood, and were set 'Genoese& with the predial differences between landlord nod teaser. The murder of the Rev. Mr. Lloyd was a brutal, I dastardly, and barbarous murder, and such atrocious mur dering were a disgrace to Ireland; and as he wished that the kw should be vindicated be gave his vote for this measure. It might be said this was an uncoastitutional act; but it was more unconstitutional to leave the country at the mercy of a set of lawless marauders. He would give his vote for this bill without reference to remedial measures, lest it should seem that he had the slightest sympathy with such crimes. The administration of the law in Ireland was most inefficiently carried on. The crown prosecutors a ere often incapacitated from performing their duties by reason of age and infirmity. In Connaught the senior prosecutor had been ten years superannuated as an assistant banister, and yet he continued crown prosecutor. Tke late Mr. Ellis had been five years superannuated as crown prosecutor, and yet continued an assistant barrister. In Connaught the crown solicitor was so incapacitated by age and infirmity that he had not gone the last live circuits. Such was the inefficient manner in which the law was administered. He felt confident that, in trotting the powers contained in this measure to the govern ment, they would not abuse it. - • • • - • Mr. M. O'CONNELL said he held in his band a book, entitled "An Account of the Debate on the Hinter the Protec tion of Life in Ireland, in 1846," edited by R. Dillon Browne, M.P. (The hon. gentleman then read extracts from the speeches of Mr. Dillon Browne on that debate, in opposition to that measure, and in which he advised that coercion should be given up sad remedial measures tried.) The hon. member for Meath (Mr. FL Grattan), too, who had been one of the most strenuous opponents of the coercion bill of 1846, he regretted to fins amongst the advocates of the present measure. Disguise it as they would, this bill was as much an infringement of the constitation as that proposed by the right hon baronet, and which the noble lord now at the head of the government said he would never consent to, unless It was accompanied by remedial 1111111.nree. On hat same ground put forward by the adds lord in 1646, as against the urns bill of the right honourable baronet —the absence of remedial measurer--did he (Mr. M. O'Connell) oppose the bill now before the house. It was all very well to refer to the ecrodition of society in Ireland, and point to the calendar of crime as a justifica tion for such a bill ; but how did they expect herrn nature to endure patiently the tyranny to which the Ilia tousantry were subject, driven from their holdings, without Seed or shelter, prevented from reaping the crops they had sewn, and deprived of all the advantage of their outlay and labour Try the experiment in England, and see what would be the consequence. (Hear, hear.) He gathered from the reply of the right hon. the Home Secretary, to the suggestion of the right hon. baronet (Sir It. Peel), that a detective police was about to be organised in Ireland. What was this but a return to the old spy system, with all its attendant horrors, its perjuries, robberies, and murders ? How many instances wore there in former days of innocent men being entrapped into the commission of crime, and then informed against for the sake of the blood-money? In no country save Ireland would such a system be tolerated. It had been practised in 1798 wider the notorious Major Sim, aided by the infamous Terry O'Brien, and yet in these days it was sought to legalise perjury by act of parliament. Notwithetanding the deter minetion expressed by some Irish members to sop this hill, he for one should give it the most de • opposi• tem in every stage of its progress. He had been as earnest and as anxious as any man in denouncing crises, sad be bed not only preached but practised obedience to the law. He bed endeavoured to enforce a maxim laid down by one whose memory he must ever revere and venerate, that the wont enemy of Ireland was the man who violated 'be law. He would not parley with the murderer, brat ha would strain the ordinary law of the land, is order to wan his punishment; but he protested against arming it =naible parties with extraordinary powers to do that might he done by the smallest particle of resolution tad courage on the part of the resident landlords in the munties which were said to be disturbed, and which would leitat t down by the tenantry if the landlords gave them the test enconragetneet so to do. But he found null with bill on another ground, namely, that it was entirely and exclusively a landlord's bill. (Hear, hear.) It was not a bill for the protection of the lives and property of the people, but for the protection of magistrates, who would not do their duty, and to enable the landlords to collect their rents. He had expected after the numerous commissions of inquiry which had bees' issued by various governments, that at the commencement of this session the present ministry would at least be prepared with some remedial measures for Inland. He understood that the Landlord and Tenant Bill was actually in print, and, being so, it ought now to he on he table of the house. It was, however wept bask, and ' not a word of explanation as to its orovis ns had yet been stated to the house. In Let, nothing whatever had been done to carry out any of the recommendations contained in the report under Lord Devon'. commission. (Cries of '• Divide.") One of those recommendations was, to lessen the burthens on the land, and yet, by the operations of this bill those burdens would be increased by Axing on the land the charge of the extra police employed at the will and pleasure of the Lord-Lieutenant. lion. members opposite had spoken of certain statements alleged to have been made by Roman catholic clergymen from the altar, but the Attorney-General bad very properly told them that whore ever such charges could be authenticated prosecution would follow. With respect to the denunciation of Major Mahon, the clergyman implicated had himself denied in print that he had ever mentioned that gentleman's name or that be knew anyth hag about him. What would the home think ofan English lendiord, -who, coming into a property, should commence with a small village at his park gate, and take from the in habitants their little gardens, from which they had obtained their winter's subsistence ? The bon. member proceeded to detail other instances of Major Mahon's conduct towards his hirsute, but was continually interrupted by loud cries of " Clartica." He complained that the deceased gentleman had aunt a number of his tenant' on board ship, bound to America, but the vessel being wrecked, the people were obliged to return, when, sick, starving, and shipwrecked as they were, they were left on the road without abetter to peruh. Until the noble lord at the head of the government had laid his remedial measures oa the table, the house might expect that he (Mr. O'Connell) would give this coercion bill every opposition in his power. Mr. GARDNER gave a reluctant support to the bill. He was not on- of those who would vindicate murder, or who did not wish to see it punished, but he could not help having some compunctions vniiings when he remembered the gross ill-usage which Ireland had experienced at the hands of this country. (Hear, hear.) He regre tted . therefore, that the right hon. gentleman while proposing coercion had not more clearly indicated the remedial measures he proposed to In troduce for the benefit of the sister country. He was not one of those who thought that Providence had endowed one race more than another with instincts of crime and indo lence. He Will willing to admit the defects of the Irish character, but he was inclined to attribute them, not to the providence of God, but to the misgovernment and tyranny of man. (Hear, bear) That country bad for 600 year s been under the dominion of what an eminent foreign pub licist had called a bad untamed. Pure blood, no mill owners or manufacturen, to grind the people, nothing but lords, squires, and serfs. To them England had added an alien priesthood, and in her superstition had shut out every avenue of adviumument from the great body of the people. The outward and viable sign of all this oppression—the protestant established church—Mill existed In full vigour. (Hear.) He did not thick its abolition would remedy the ills of Ireland, bat it was at least due to that country se reparation. Probably no single reason would have the effect of redressing sll the evil. et Oat country; but we ought to undo all our bad legislation, step by step. So long as a splendid public property, amounting he a million Jar annum, existed in Ireland, devoted to the church alien to the sentiments of nine-tenths err people private property ought not to be burdened with rates as the support of tha indigent. He would never consent to any measure of coercion for Ireland, union remedial meaenrea were brought forward at the same time. (Hear.) Mr. ICEATINGE said that the Irish Catholic priesthood, so far from exciting the people to outrage, exerted a directly opposite Wilt/once. In proof of this he referred to the con duct and addresses of the curate in the parish when Mr. Roe had been murdered. He was opposed betide bill, he cause it would not tend to tranquillise the coun•ry : it would be • complete failure. (Hear.) Such a measure never could mowed ; it had fa it no element of encases. Mr. FAGAN moved the adjournment of the debate. Sir G. GREY hoped this motion would set he pressed. Th.re would be abundant opportunity, in the future rape of the bill, for hon. members to expanse their rows. Great inconvenience had resulted from discussing the peineiple and details of the bill, upon a mere motion of form, for passing to the other orders of the day. Mr. FAGAN thought it was not fair to vrge hies to pro- ceed in addressing the house at so late an hoar. He had no wish to he summed -factions in taking this mune. The house then divided—Foe the adjonamant 13 Against it Sir G. GREY said he hoped the order of the day would be to be read, upon the understanding that the second of the bill should be taken on another night -'. _O'CONNOR then moved the adjournment of the _„sea, sad Mr. M. O'CONNELL having seconded the motion, the gallery was cleared for a division ; but on our re-admission we toned that the proposition of Sir O. Grey had been agreed so. The house thin adjourned, at half-past twelve o'clock. r - ;Uiing , Mr. F ANCIENT FRESCO.—In the proem eir chancing St. Peter's Char* Chester. law Nana have be.. discovered. They an se the who el ere et the pars sear Me minus iklet, against tehieli Is sew greed the bet. sad on whisk ie ea simitat dohs, Mat wsa eggespertei,_pershly, to • Ague et the dares, red Os lady rear. The here hr senserkil the arba. The is the Ater ere pasted eseedlies. The es**c the Weds( ea the Ogle Feed,tat is edifiedy the Areestele The are .. itt rite Ire pad rest elltheisalerthe espies sad desir ing or the di gstressearstre the hewer. PACPlSteht AT h fl.4Ji t a dersder height The tides beer is already is fa a nuthst a twins in thebsinneste einhaitg qa ww re= serereedades el the aisereas anther last rairtiadt, _fieessildas% few yore trek, Were Is a der staingstran an teen the Nettgagdrie Roam) ea the nage ; and nasalise of do eparativen et the Mira besubsed have, few dr het twelve ninths, straggled wi difficulties sed printions of which the 'non famaned darn have little sesceptke. gilt erprtsixi: MAILS. The owing skeet mak Mo Mane Wee, to the WM. Mem. Or. LIMN HOW RSV, are, will Ila Ml= emesins Mille 7 December. The mils for Viso, Opine, Lhbosi, Madeira, Ceiba, sad will be made upon the merslar of the 1: ti December. The Wect India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Nieman, He Honduras, New Orkess, Vera Cruz, Tampico, end Bono Rine, including than for Medeles, hand, Certhegene, Mats Mamie, Comma, Weft Home of death America, and do tea Nieare tee, will be nude up on the morning of the 17th member. The molls fee British North Amerika, Ifernmin mac tee Beim Maim will be made up cm Me evening of the 17th December. The overland smile fee Gibraltar, AtelPi, Greece, the lomso Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Coy, and China, e.a bp' atoms,. ~,raw rood,. op ‘ll, the moraine of the 24th December. The mails for New booth Wales, Van Dienien'a Land, esd Zealand will be made up on the evening of the Slat December. The mails ter the beetle, the Hirer Plate, Monte Video, sum o , Woo, Bala* Modeire, end Bosom Apes, will be .We lip is sy Woo , Mlle 448 Memory. .....E CORRESPONDENTS. •: M Advertlemma 1 tl2 . Tee Caper.' Lesko f•lnift Oflail 0.01. M. 11.1.2.4•412.2. 1 12 TTA V 21. 1, .2 Or dee et M O 1210/2 WATER *AT LONDON BRIDGE. Tr.. Der—eleneles. SI WA paet 1, Alternera. IA vol. pm 1, Te•Woeeew—Men2•66 12 We. yeet 2 . Afteneooo, 31 aka 'At 2, LONDON, TUESDAY, DEC. 7. IT is not merely because we are one of the pram that we say it, but from a far deeper and more diniz. terested conviction, we insist, that all the onward movements and all the reforms which have bea t made, and fought for, won and developed, during Ma last twenty years, are utterly incomplete, natil • crowned by the establishment and success of a cheap and a popular prem. What, in fact, is the opacities' of the franchise—what the truth of fermentative government—without the full knowledge that s ow nals alone can give, or can excite, strike ed. or prove ? And - what is this great source d information bat a closed and sealed up fountain to the elector, who must pay one-fifth or one-sixth of his daily earnings to possess or peruse it in quiet? The journal is not only the sole source of political is. formation and current knowledge, but it is the great promulgator of the law—of its reason, justice, slope, and interpretation; it records the words and Acta at the legislature, the sentences of the courts, the con struction of the judge. It is a manual of every one's rights and duties; it warns every man against ante and mispatriotism ; it is the great placard which the stale should allow no one to be ignorant of, and which, could each a thing be done, it should erect in every hamlet, and offer, in large and gratuitous letters, to every eye. But a journal, that great herald of modern life, government cannot even touch, much lets under- take, without at once destroying its influence and neutralising its powers. The duties of the press and of the government are so distinct, that the public would at once repudiate the thought of taking advice and information from the same hand which conducts the administration. Like so maw other of our institutions, therefore, and like so mach of the great machinery of oar social and political frame, the press has been left to the usual incitements and energies of private enterprise. In thus abandoning it, however, the government no doubt has been destined to find in the prat a troublesome critic and an inconvenient questions; and, though the press has is general supported tins interests of the public against those of an administro tion, still the public has long left it to the mercy d the executive. First, it was cried down es dangerous and seditious, and trammels placed upon it. The public voice ordained the removal of these, and pre vents their being again forged. But the heavy fetters of a censorship have always been replaced by timed fiscality, which wore represented as not only useful to the revenue, and just, as levying contributions from a prosperous undertaking, but salutary, as hanging a weight upon a force too elastic and powerful, and as confining the use of this power to people of capital, and consequently of respectability and education. There is no use in now discussing the wisdom or justice of such a precaution, since there cannot be a doubt that it has long since been carriedtoo far,and that the press, in lieu of needing to have difficulties thrown in its way, in order to limit the wielding of, and the speculation in, it to large and respectable capitalists, suffers under a quite contrary evil, that of too naturally constituting monopoly, of deterring and precluding anything like competition. The nature of the prem, and the mode of establishing and supporting it, effect this more poliadity than any laws, fiscal or prohi bitive. And se is the tendency, that the pros dische parepeise the sole remnants of that d abused peivilage which perpetuates power in Milli gn isubjecte the people at large to undergo dis legislation or dictation of a crotchety, and arrogant family. - The es . ty of the government, or rather of par liament, ay therefore, if it will not have itself, as well as the country, the slave of entailed journalism, in order to prevent such a state of things, to facilitate by every . fair means the extension of the press, and the bringing it down to the means of the lees wealthy clams. This was fully felt in 1836, and was sought to be acted apnea. Bat un fortunately, the CHANCELLOR 01 , TILE EXCHEQUER of that day, on lowering the tax on newspapers, was induced by tho clamour of the lbws, and the repre sentations of its opponents, so to lower it as to offer that journal a very great and psoaliarly exclu sive advantage. In fact, parliament for the Times and for monopoly on that anemias, and this can be proved in a dozen sentences. The following are the stamp duties impaled upon newspapers by the Act of 1836 : d. For every sheet or other piece of paper whereon any newspaper shall be printed And where such sheet or piece of paper shall con• fain on one side thereof a stiper&ies exclusive of the margin of the letter press, exceeding one thousand five hundred and thirty inches, and not exceeding two thousand one hundred and ninety-five inches, the additional duty of And where the same shall contain on one side thereof a superficies, exclusive of the margin of the letter press, exceeding two thousand two hundred and ninety-five inches, the additional duty ef Provided . always that say sheet or piece of paper containing on one side thereof a superteies, ex clusive of the margin of the letter press, not excerliog seven hundred and sixty-five inches, which shall be published with, and MI a supple ment to, any r, chargeable with say of the duties afoessaia. shall be chargeable only with the duty et It will be observed that the maximum of the sheet on which one posy is charged is exactly double the size of the sheet on which one. half is Amer of this maximum size there onnz.. rpm" ef obieremirriey seppiseratal sheet liedig 766 indesesef basrdpisszieueadi Ada Bat ewe is the levee "dm. e>t mip Myr piper et ides esesionlitdr, paper rdadad ea kohl &• will be charged all pall ta 766 of letter-pm* ea ea& Wirsd=fpente • sheet containing I ,11616behes. • • Now, daring threw/Mho d every year, nineteen& twentislis al the newapepere published in this construed& find a sheet with 760 inches of letter press ea sail Ade s roomy enough news hold all their news at ald their advertissemsts; and would 114 on maiermeise ef eidessediersy• primes. II suppiemiallal sheet ef the sails Aso emir • MS. dent. • 710 inimmes adverlisinp unarm edna Illr Times, however, compels . it to publish:a: daily, the com pu lsion coining in the iris of some hundred thousand a year paid < menu. The limes cannot publish on a mast elisst than one which contains 1,530 inches of type Road side ; and when labouring under a plethora dab , * tisernents, the Times is allowed to issue a eilt , ment of half the size for half the duty. The pays literally one halfpenny for every sheet ociatsisp mg 760 inches of type on each side. If wa 1/01/S• ever, ask to pay at the same rate—" No," says e• law, " You are a young paper ; you do not want and cannot hope to till a large sheet with advertisements for many years. You are a cheap paper and can only exist by a very extensive sale. Take, then, your choice: either pint on piper the same size as the nines—paying flit the matter with which yaw year des, ted of behailiiii.for patting it ha es the Minis; at pint on maaßar_pypor, awl tiaaribrlisole v asr d 11111 te duty. ' Wild ;h mention the Awes itiCastapolllisa am Orals, oak atom aki n • Wilt at the tamalliepdat 0( view.. pigpen tbolooldliwat pe lha m pdaty ea newsmen, 'with thefir ilititaW Is the stamp my on a receipt for tad AM SOW in amount as the stamp duty on a relit*: be hun dred pounds ? Why then should there ow Warn stamp for newspapers? Can any valid mama be