The Express. — London, England, 1851-07-19 00:00:00

lii I'ERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FIUDAT, JILT IS. She LoltDC PR} MANCELLOEhis *est at In s'eleek. PETITIONSSENTED. 1111CCLEsIMITIvAL TITLES Ass BILL.—By _the Eut of LOXSDALE. from several place.; Earl NELSON. from the meaty of Wilts; the Earl of MOUNTCASHEL, from severd places; Earl WALDEORAVE, the Bishop of OXFORD, several, from the county of Gloucester, is farmer of this bill. 11111 , 01tTATION or FOREIGN OILAIL—By the Earl of WAitwicK, from millers, aphis' the importation of foreign greis. Two CSTSTAL PALACIL—By the Earl of CARLISLE, from places in the county of Northumberland, from Wake field, Barnsley, sad Thorne, in the county of York, and from Kensington; Earl NELSON, from Knightsbridge, in brow of the retent io n of the Crystal Palace. WREXHAM IMPROVEMENT BILL. Earl TAL d b BOT moved the re-committal alibis bill, which was oppose y Lord Canto's, sod after a desultory con- Isrsatauu their lordships divided, whea tM samba rs were Coutents St Non-contents ; against the re-committal of the bill —2.5 INDIA then mad the oath of suitor's ha the mime manner until ho reached the eoseinsion, whoa he omitted the words, " On she true faith of • Christian." This called forth a loud cry of "Order." The CLIORK, advancing to the chair, said—Sir, the hoe. gentleman did not repeat the words on the true faith of • Christian," in the oath. SALOMONS-1 have omitted—(loud cries of Or ' er,, order.") 'the SPEAKER—The hon. gentleman having omitted from the form of the oath words prescribed by law, it is my duty to inform him that he must retire below the bar. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Salomon' attempted to read a parchment docu ment, but the shouts of Order order," were so loud that be failed to make himself heard. Rolling up the web meat, therefore, he pushed it on the table towards the Clerk, walked to the gangway on the ministerial side of the house and took his seat by Sir W. Molesworth. This was' the signal for • tremendous cry of "Order." [The document which the hoe. gentleman read was as follows I have now taken the oaths in the form and with the ceremonies that I declare to be binding on my conscience, in accordance with mat. I & 2 Vie. cap. 105, I now demand to subscribe to the oath of abjuration and to declare to my property qualification."] Mr. SALOMONS—I beg leave— (Increased uproar.) The SPEAKER—The hon. gentleman must be aware that no hon. member can sit in this house, or vote, unless he has taken the oath of abjuration as prescribed by law. That oath has not been taken by him in the sense in which and learned member has adopted. I don't dila I am be-1 t rail ing much confidence in saying that ten miming before I came into the house, I mentioned to bin the course I proposed to pursue, and the Iwo. and leassei gentleman expressed his full concurrence in that ermree. I hope we shall not go now into the whole question, and that perhaps in its most objectionable form. 1 trust the hon. gentleman t will not object to withdraw his motion ' and I must say I think I;have some little reason to complain. (Rear.) Sir F. THESIGER.—I trust I may be allowed to ezplain. I admit what the right hon. gentleman has said is correct, and I have not the slightest objection to the adjournment of the question; but when the hon. member for Middlesex said • I was exceeding the proper limits I felt it necessary to con clude with a motion which would give the house to under stand precisely the course which I shall take OA Monday next, when this subject is again brought forward„f,er dis cussion. (Hear.) I have not the least desire— Mr. ANSTEY—I rise to order. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") The hoc. gentleman is travelling into matter wtich is not eaplanative. (Oh, oh.) The SPEAKER said that any hon. gentlemanwho made a motion was entitled to reply. (Laughter.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I hope I may he permitted to interpose fur a moment. Ls it is evi dent that there is an angry feeling arising, I tryst we shall not enter into the discussion now, fur I am muesli will ad• mit that it is not desirable to debate the question in a state of excitement. (Cnecro.) Sir F. THESIGER—I do not intend to continue the dis mission, and the course I have adopted has been almost forced of - me. -.) I should not have made the Majority THE WEST COLONIES AND THE SLAVE TRADE. The Bishop of OXFORD, in presenting • petition from planters of Barbadoes, and another from St. Christopher's compleining of th e grievous injury done to their property by the continuance of the slave trade, whereby Breed and Cuba were kept supplied with slaves, took occasion to ob. serve that he learned with great satisfaction, from what had been stated in another place, the great success that had attended our IMP OR attempts to sto ON p that acc FLOUß.ursed traffic. TATI OF The End of STRADISROKE presented a petition from the millers of the south of Ireland praying for the imposi tion of • duty on foreign flour. From returns it appeased that the exportation of dour from Ireland to Liverpool bed &lien off three-fourths as compared with what it wee k 184.5. Earl GRANVILLE said he wee far from denying that there ass not at present great distress among the millers in the south of Ireland, but he pretested against any attempt by legielation to improve the condition of the milers as a dem After some conversation, in which Lords Redeedsle and Deniers, and Earls Granville, Urey, and Cilsomall, took' part, the petitions (Lord Glengall had presented several) were or dercd to lie on the table. THE INHABITED HOUSE DUTY BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the second read ing of this bill. Their lordships, he said, would be aware that the imposition of a house duty as provided by this bill was to prevent the continued imposition of the window duty, which for a great number of years it had been Nought highly important to relieve the country from. Considerable benefit would be derived by the middle classes of society upon whom the window Me bad hitherto pressed with much severity. Lord MONTEAOLE accepted the bill as a repeal of permanent taxation to the amount of between eleven and twelve hundred thousand pounds. There might, however, be exception taken to the repeal of taxation which was con sidensl of a permanent nature, while the income tan, which wu not of this nature, had only been voted for one year. Many . of the higher elms of mansions, which under the window duty paid a large sum, would now be charged much less, and on this ac comet the objection might be raised that the new mode of taxation pressed less severely on the higher than on some of the middle claws. lane in country Litres for instance would pay more than great mansions in the neighbourhood ; bat although there would be dissatis faction created in such eases, he could not but consider that it was perfectly just these inns should pay • larger amount, for virtually they were more valuable than many of the manne.' of the rich—they would produce more if they came into the market. (Meer, bear.) lie did not like the principle of exempting houses below • given sum. To the income tan he had objected on the same ground. The exemption of parties whose income was below 1401. per annum led to the inference that these parties had no interim in the affairs of the state, and derives' no benefit from the expenditure on account of the various branches of the public service. The Earl of STRADDROKE considered it a decided injustice that all parties noting premises above 20:, should be tane-I, while there whose rentals were under that sum, and olio had their property equally protected, should be exempted front the burden. Earl (HWY said the window duty had been repealed, not only because it had been an unpopular, but also be mere it had been a very objectionable tan. The hoots tat, as imposed, would fall principally on those beet able to bear the burden. As to the income tax, he bed formerly esprtued the opinion that incomes under 1601. • year ought not to be exempted, and that opinion be Mill maintained. It had been urged that houses under 20f. should not be exempted, but they had to consider that the majority of these houses had not been liable to window duty, and there was a practical inconvenient:* in imposing • burden on ponies, which they bad net moil:mei, borne. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY had sincere Semen ha bearing his testimony to the important service which the government had rendered the country by repealing the window duty. The tat had interfered most seriously with the moral and physical well-being of the people. la the caw of one building with filly tenants under the sane roof the window tat would have added about 70i. or SOL to the anneal rental. The relief which had been aff irdeil was great, and it would result in increased health and the improved moral condition of the vast proportion of the community. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE concurred with the noble earl who bad just sat down as to the improvement in' the sanitary condition of the people, which must neces sarily result from the repeal of the window duty. The Duke of ARGYLL said the conversation which had just taken place led to • much larger view of the subject thin had been fully indicated, and tended to show the great difficuity of adjusting direct taxation on an equitable foot ing Ihe income tan had been reimposed by the late Sir Rohert )'eel for a specific purpeee, via., to eseilitato the repeal of other tame. Now that the objest had boas wailed, he did not see that they could go cm re = one tan after another, while they malationed the tan, and kept scolding it on account of its elmonimis character. The whole movereatie• showed that the tams • of the country must, in the as* be of ea indirect deerription, although he would not dray that • siren feeling rusted in the country in favour of establiehimg tits Gonne,s of the country, oo • principle which he conceived to be our of confiwation. As far as his own opinion= be was out a protectionist. He approved of the Odious imposed for the mete purposes of protection, but be. at the same time, thought that taxes should be levied over the Isegeat possible surface. That was the soundest view to taae of indirect taxation, and it was therefore ridi culous that articles of general use or consumption should not be tuned. A great deal of nonsense had been talked daring the anti-corn-law agitation about the article of food. He did not conceive that there existed any abstract objec tion to • tax en food, any more than a tax on light or • tax on clothes. They had to raise • certain sum, end the question came to be, how could they raise it most equitably ? If the rich ought to pay more than other classes, they could be tiled on tkrir luxuries, but it was not proper to exempt ether classes by withdrawing tame from articles generally used. It was • great evil that government was unable to act on any one broad principle of finance, and could not resist dw pressure brought to bear agains t say unpopular tax, but were always obliged to succumb. l'he Karl of CARLISLE did not think that the remarks of his noble friend (the Duke of Argyll) tended at all to advance the principles he avowed. The connection between a tas on the food of the people and the question of protec tion was too transparent to be for • mecum doubted. The bill was then read • Knead time. GUNPOWDER STORES (LIVERPOOL) EXEMP TION REPEAL BILL. Lord BEAUMONT delivered • report from the com mittee on this bill. He said that it bad been thought neces sary to remove these gunpowder stores, on account of the enormous accumulation of gunpowder, and the consequent extreme danger to the whole town of Liverpool end the neighbourhood. The stores were not in future to be on land, but were to be floating ones. The committee recom mended that they should be placed under the superintend mice of the Ordnance Department. lle was confident there would be no danger. Earl GRANVILLE said • few words, which were not audible in the gallery. The Turnpike Acts Continuance andthe netlike Trams Arrangement Bills were severally read a second time, at the motion of Earl ORAIIVILLI. The United Church of England and Irani • the Churches and Chapels ((Irela nd ) ; and the Ilisintiistisal Residence. (Ireland) BMs were severally read menial time, on the motion of Lord MONTIMILII. The Militia Ballots Suspension; the Amnia Team Composition ; and the Public Works, Pialgar. 211b1 were severally read • third time and passed, e• the swim of Earl (11•XVILLI. THE CRYSTAL PALACE. The Duke of ARGYLL presented two petitions, one from Delkeith, and the other from Alice, praying that the Crystal Palate be maintained. Their lordshipeadjourned at • quarter to upon . (Cheers.) motion had I not found that I was not at liberty to call for an explanation of the course to be pursued on Monday. I must beg leave to withdraw my motion, for it Las 'creed its turn. (Cheers.) Mr. B. OSBORNE—Am I to understand, then, that the motion will he moved on Monday ? (Cries cf " Order.") Sir F. THESIOER—I am afraid that if I answered him, the hon. gentleman might consider me out of order. (Loud and long continued laughter.) The private business was then resumed. Mr. B. OSBORNE attempted to speak, but was silenced by cries of " Order." Rising again, he said he claimed it from the courtesy of the house. (Laughter and cries of " Oh.") The hon. and learned gentleman seemed to think that no one but himself had a right to break the orders ref the house. (Order, order.) The SPEAKER reminded the hon. gentleman that the question before the house was the consideration of the Lords' amendments amine private bills. (Laughter. Mr. B. OSBORNE—I give notice that I will pu t the question—(Order, order.) The subject then dropped. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Bath Improvement, Markets, Waterworks, and Bath Commons or Freemen's Estate; Copper Miners in England Company; Dublin, Dundrum, and Itathfanthana Railway; Edinburgh Royal Asylum for the Insane ; lichen Bridge and Roads • Killarney Junction Railway ; Waterford and Limerick kailway; and Waterford, Wexford, WickleM s and Dublin Railway, Bills, were cons dered. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. THE CRYSTAL P•Laes.—By Mr. SANDERS, fromthe Mayor and inhabitants of Wake fi eld, against the removal of the Crystal Palace. REGISTRATION RILL.-By Mr. BROTHERTON, from the Freehuidees' Building Society of Manchester, against the Registration Bill. Tue MILL Inrsetzert.—By Sir P. NUGENT, from millers of Westmeath, for a protective duty on foreign flour. IRISH BUSINESS. In answer to Mr. Roche, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER I zed Thursday next for taking a number of Irish bills. SUPPLY. The house then went into a committee of supply. The first vote was 9,8831. for the House of Indents,. Dublin, which was agreed to, as were the following : 6001. for the Female Orphans' House, Dublin. 1,750/. for Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dublin. 600 , . for the Lying-in Hospital, Dublin. 1,2001. for Dr. Steevens'a Hospital. 3,0401. for the House of Recovery and Fever Hospital, Dublin. 4001. Hospital of Incurables, Dublin. 38,5601. expense of non-conforming and protestant dis senting ministers in Ireland. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that this vote should be disallowed. A return recently laid before the house showed that there were 4:51 congregations whose ministers received this grant ; themcongregationa paid 18,4111. as stipends, or about 401. a year each congregation. They comprised 86,450 families, or 432,2450 persons, giving an aggregate payment for each individual to his minister of 41 farthings per annum. The same return stated that no class of dis senters were in the habit of paying so little to their minis dreiseeee umiesslimis the act. (Loud cheers.) A case with precisely the mem circumstances occurred last year, and I hare only to repeat what I said then, immely, that it is my duty to direct him to withdraw. (Loud and long continued cheering.) Mr. Salomon' then withdrew to the bar, but remained within the house, upon which there arose a cry of " Order," not less emphatic than its predecessors. The hon. member appearing to be ignorant of the exact position of that, to strangers, somewhat mysterious boundary, Mr. J. A. Smith walked up to him, and conducted him outside the her. Sir B. HALL—Sir, I am requested by the bon. member for Greenwich, who 111 S presented himself at the table for the purpose of taking the oath prescribed by the act, and by the forms of this house—arid who has proposed to take that oath in the manner which is most binding upon his con. seienee—to declare to you and also to the house, that he withdraws from the seat which he has lately occupied— (loud laughter)—in deference to your high authority as pronouncing the authority of this house. (Hear, hear.) But, sir, I am also instructed by the hon. gentleman to Sr F. THESIGER—Sir (cries of " Order ")—I rise to wrier. (Cheers.) I apprehend, sir, that the worthy alder- Ines has not obeyed the orders of the house. (Cheers.) Ile has not withdrawn, but he is at present standing within OM house. (Cheers) I thought it my duty, sir, to call dm attention of the house to the circumstance. (Cheers.) =planation of this remark, it may be stated that Mr. W gradually approached the house till he had 7 her. 111WS M ) PIAKElt—The hem. member must withdraw. (Cheers. VG. Beismons immediately retired to the door, and then be stepped on to the peers' benches.] Sir B. HALL—At the time the hon. and learned gentle men interrupted me—l do not say at all improperly —I was about to proceed to state that I am ',quested by the hon. member for Greenwich to de aler° to the house that his only object in taking the course which he has adopted was to try his legal right as a repre matative of the people sasious to take his scat. It is not the intention, and it is far from the desire, of the hon. gentleman to take any course which may be either displeas ing or inconvenient to this assembly ; and I have, there to's, to put a question to my right boa. friend the Chan minor of the Exchequer, in the absence of the noble lord at the head of the government. It is this—The hon. mem ber for Greenwich, as I have stated before, is only anxious M try his right, and he it anxious to put himself in a poi. Wm in which that right may be fully tried by the legal tribuuals of this realm. I have to ask, then, my right hon. friend whether, in consequence of the proceeding which hes now been taking place, the hon. member has done mouth to allow the institution of a prosecution; or, if not, whether, if the boa. gentleman will come into this house immediately after a question has been put, and lay himself under the obligations of the law, sod under the penalties that may atta.h to him, whether he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) will take the course which I think he ought to do on the present occasion, and instruct the Attorney- , General to prosecute him, in order that the question may be fully and fairly tried t (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir, I hope that iii the unavoidable absence of my noble friend I may be allowed to state the course which 1 think it will be advisable • this occasion. I r look to their silver siocins. (Lsiughtar.) The vote was then agreed to, as was the vote of 7,7001. towards the erection of a new bridge at Inverness. A vote of 7,0001., for pay and expenses of medical men sent out to advise the local authorities at Jamaica, as to the best means of checking the spread of the cholera ' and fur the relief of urgent cases of distress arising from cholera—was also agreed to. 15,0001. towards the erection of an additional museum, and for enlarging the theatre of the Royal College of Sur geons, for the delivery of the Hunterian lectures. The CIIANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER, in propos ing this vote, after speaking of the origin of the 11unterian Museum, by Dr. Hunter, and its committal to the care of the College of Surgeons, coupled with the conditions that the public should be idmitted under such regulations as they might think necessary, and that a course of lectures should be given in each year—conditions which he said had been most faithfully discharged—ob served that the college had expended, in increasing the museum and providing more effectively for its exhibition to the public, 189,0001. of their own money ; and at this mo rnoment,in point of pathological science, it was now the first museum in the country. It had been lately found that the present building was not sufficient for the purposes of the museum,with a due regard to the convenience of the public, in its increased extent, and an application had been made to the government for a grant towards making the required addition to the museum, and for enlarging the theatre for the delivery of the lectures. (Hear, hear.) Sir R. 'NOUS tendered his thanks to the right hon. gentleman for the encouragement the government were, by bringing forward this vote, giving to medical science. And after a few words from Col. Denote the vote was agreed to. 1,0001. to the Royal Asiatic Society, towards defraying the expenses of the publication of the inscriptions in the cuneiform character, copied and edited by Lieut.-Colonel Itawlinson. Mr. C. LEWIS, in explanation of this vote,observed that the house was aware of the discoveries which had been I made under the direction of Colonel Rawlinsoa on the sup posed sites of ancient Bahylon and Assyria, and that under his superintendence and with greatlabour many inscriptiont had been collected; a portion of these had been published in /he sinsiks by the Asiatic Society but having only limited funds, and the expense of publishing the entire being beyond their means, they had applied to the govern ment for a public grant to enable them to complete this very interesting publication, and, as no very large amount was devoted to literary purposes, they might fairly recom mend to the house a vote in compliance with such applica tion. (Cheers.) lie might as well take the same opportu- Katy of stating that the next vote, 5001., was for the pur pose of assisting Captain Layard in carrying on his excava tions at the mound of Sena with a view to the discovery of ancient monuments there deposited. (Hear.) The two votes were then put and agreed to seriatim, Sir It. Botts obser.ing, with regard to the latter, that he hoped to see it increased. A vote of 10,0001. for the construction of works at Spurn Point was next passed. Oa the postponed rote 144,0001. on account of the ex pense of constructing harbours of refuge, being proposed, Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to this vote, which had been postponed at the instance of the hon. member for Montrose, being proceeded with in his absence, that hon. . . pa) tees as those receiving the parliamentary grant. The Pres byterians of the north of Ireland were as wealthy as the mine clam in England. sod were as able to bear the expense of their own ministers. The grant was equivalent to about &SI. for each minister, or more than double the amount paid by their congregations. Ile contended that no portion of the public taxes of this country ought to be paid for the support of these ministers. Mr. M'CULLAOII said the hon. member for Lambeth had surprised him for once. lie had expected hint to con clude with regretting the paltry nature of this grant. The calculation he had referred to was made by a person called Duncan Chisholm, an absconding witness, who conse quently could not be relied on. Mr. C. LEWIS hoped the amendment would not be a to. Nothing could be attended with worse public effect the withdrawal of these grants, which had been first voted after the revolution, and had since been annually continued. The justice of parliament was involved in its continuance. Mr. ANSTEY had resisted the vote for the repairs of Mayaneak, sad on the same principle he should oppose di Hama grants. The dissenters of Ireland them- MIMS these eleemosynary grants, and would rook* in their withdrawal. They were the source of bitter suds in Ireland, sad were the means of dividing the bodies into so called orthodox and heterodox parties. He would have the ,whole of this class of votes withdrawn, whereby they would do away with great differences between the dissenters themselves. Mr. W. J. FOX objected to this vote on the same ground es he had opposed the Maynooth grant. It was, in fact, an endowment, and it had had the effect of diminishing the voluntary support of the ministers by their congregations. He should support the amendment, though he had rather see the vote annually diminished until it was wholly withdrawn. lie was convinced that the increase in this great had been occasioned, not by an increase of the presby terian body in Ireland, but by the increased reliance of that body on the imperial exchequer. After some conversation, Mr. W. WILLIAMS said if the government would agree to the suggestion of Mr. Fos to reduce the vote annually be would not divide; otherwise he mast do so. The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER said he MK sot give any such promise. The committee then divided: For the grant ll5 Against it The sum of 6,5891. to defray the expenses connected with the Concordaturn Fend was agreed to. Oa the vote of 9,969:. to defray the expenses of the Geno va' Hoed of Health, at W. JOLLIFFE observed that, in reference to lutes wand interments, the act forbidding them received the mpg amens on the very day that the Board held its first inisetiag ; and though 1,6.10 i. had been expended in four magelta in experimenting, nothing whatever bad been done to aware the public health. Lied SEYMOUR replied that the scheme was a very heavy and important one. The first part of the plan was to raise money on security. (Laughter.) It was next neces sary to obtain that description of soil for cemeteries which the house thought most advisable. The grounds in the vicinity of London had all been surveyed, so that no further expenses would result from experimenting ; and the ques tion now was, how the further operations were to be carried is. (" Hear," and a laugh.) (Mr. MOWAT f wished to know why steps were not ides to prevent the interment of the dead within the a Ils. (Hear, hear.) Ii M u SEYMOUIC replied that the board of health was lest yet in possession of the necessary funds to carry out the pereitaous of the statute. Mr. FOX mid as the cemeteries about London were eon templated to be used temporarily, whilst the permanent places were being sought for, he could not see why, if these places were capable of receiving the dead of London, they should not be made permanent, and the intramural grounds closed. Now here were resources at hand ; and he saw no reason why an absolute prohibition should not issue against intramural interment'. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the _ for the house to pursue upon ... quite sure that every person who hears me, whatever his erosion may be upon the policy of the restriction itself, will do justice to the anxiety which the hon. gentleman en tertains to vindicate that which in his opinion is his legal right, as well as to the course which, with all the respect that ought to be shown to the house by all its members and by every person claiming a seat in it, he hoe taken to en laces such right. (Hear beat.) Now, the questions whisk are raised b y . th is, proseelings are two—the deft to the seat in the Irma, and the li= to certain consequences rein tram those p ins. Oise of these queasier must be decided by the house itself—the other by a court of law. In either view of the subject, it seems tem to be is matter worthy of very ve and serious deliberations, to the course we pursue. lam nut proproil to answer the question of my hon. friend with regiset to the prosecution of which he speaks; but with rekiraten le that portion of the sub ject that the house meet deal* namely, the hon. gentle. man's right to the NA I fah* that everybody will he of opinion that no instant pornolinp should take place, bat that we should have dim to consult the acts of parliament —(ebeers)—and gravely derider what course we should take. I think no presseirgs should be taken without notice, so that all partial ray be prepared to come to the discussion on the subject Im which we are to pronounce oar judgment, not perhaps eneetedintl le ear wishes, but as we feel booed by stainer onithentillotheol law. (Hear, hear.) I therefore props, that se leapt be taken in tat matter till Monday, when mg noble friend may be pat ient, and when we shall hove had tiro carefully to consider the matter. (Hoer. bear.) I prefer that the thing shall remain in pita* the paha is which it am 'lauds, and that no advantage may Sophia or tart by try pertkbut that we may merely have time to mho up ow as to the course that we shall adopt on tbitionpurtaal question. (Cheers.) Sir B. HALL—I ass quite sure the house will indulge sair while I say that, as far as I am concerned, I cordially concur in the proposition, and I shall accordingly repeat the questi. non Monday nest. (Cheers.) Mr. T. DC NCOMBE—AIIow me to ask the right hon. gentleman what is the question to be resumed on Monday nest, fur it appears to me that there is no question at all. It will out be an adjourned debate, because there is no de bate. Surely the bon. gentleman ought to move something in onier that there may be a debate that may be resumed em Monday. (Hear.) TIM CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER replied that the hini gentleman had put a question to him, and that question he proposed to repeat on Monday. Sir V. 'I'IIEBIOER—I certainly, if I could understand that there is any question that the house is called upon to decide, should be disposed to concur in the suggestion which has been made by the right hon. gentleman, that this matter should be postponed until Monday, in o rder to afford US an opportunity of maturely considering the subject; but I have equal difficulty with the boo. gentleman, the mem her for k insbury, in understanding from the statement of the rignt bon. gentleman what the matter is which on Mon day we shall be called upon to discuss. The right hon. gentleman says there are two questions which sre to be de eided—the first being a question as to the seat, and the second as to the affording of means for instituting a prose cution fur the purpose of trying the question of the right of the hon. member for Greenwich to sit and vote in this house. Now I have great difficulty in understanding what is the object of the first question which the right honourable gentleman will propose to the house on Monday fur discussion. There can be no doubt what ' ever that the hon. member for Greenwich, having refused to take the whole of the oath of abjuration is utterly inca pable of taking his seat in this house. (Loud cheers.) Therefore I apprehend that no question of that description can possibly arise. (Mr. Serjesnt Meerut: There are grave doubts of that.) Well, 0 en, what is the question ? The hon. and learned member for Cork says there 411) grave leetea, but he was not in parliament last session, or he weld know that there is on the journals of the house a Yes°• lution passed under precisely the same circumstances. (Cheers.) Then, I apprehend, that if one resolutions are worth anything , is no question of that description which is open to the house to discuss, for 1 can hardly be ' in s' member hying at Present confined to his bed by illness. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and the vote had been postponed until certain information should be furnished; that information was now on the table, and he could see no reason for further postponement. M er considerable discussion, Mr. COBDEN proposed, as an amendment, to reduce the vote for the Channel Islands by 80,0001. In reply to Mr. W. Wausau, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that the items of which the vote was composed were to be found in the papers. Mr. HENLEY suggested the propriety of discussing the vote upon the bringing up of the report. An amendment moved by Mr. W. WILLIAMS, that the chairman report progress and ask leave to sit again, was withdrawn ; and the committee divided on Mr. Cobden's ' notendment. For it 2l Against 67-38 The vote wan then agreed to. On the motion that 60,0001. be voted to defray the charge Ice civil contingencies Mr. HUTT expressed his anxiety to say a few words re specting the squadron on the coast of Africa and the suppres sion of the slave trade, because, though he did not charge the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs with intentional hmecuracies on Monday night, yet the statements he then made were very much calculated to lead public opinion *stray. He agreed with the noble lord that the slave trade had recently undergone • very great diminution. It was raw reduced to a much smaller extent than it was in the you 1842. But let not present satisfactory appearances mis lead the committee with regard to the future. Let them not hastily come to the conclusion that the painful subject he had opened last session relative to the merits of the African squadron had been finally settled. It was not that squadron which was suppressing the slave-trade; on the contrary, the squadron was doing now what it bad been doing for the last thirty years, namely, little or nothing for its sup pression, and it was very unlikely that it would alter its tactics now. The present satisfactory state of the slave trade was mainly owing to the changed policy of the Bra zilian government. It was the remark of Burke, that " the slave-trade could only be suppressed at its ends;" and it was an important fact, that whenever the governors of the Spanish West India Wands had set their faces against it the trade was to a peat extent suppressed. In 1842 the Brazilian government undertook to do what it was doing now. It prohibited sales in the markets, and it placed its navy on the coast to seize every cargo of slaves arriving there ; and the consequence was that the slave trade almost disappeared. In 1847 • committee of the House of Commons came to the conclusion that the slave trade had never attained so great • height as in that year. The years 1848, '49, and '5O were equally distinguished for the activity of the trade. It was clear, then, that the African squadron had not produced the present gratifying suppres sion; and it was equally clear that the favourable circumstances under which the Brazilian government were now acting, would not last for any length of time. Slaves were at this moment uncommonly cheap in Brasil. When, in 1848, 1849, and 1850, there was a glut in the Brazilian slave market, prices fell exceedingly, and now slaves there were 100 per cent. cheaper than they were in 1846. The naval expenses, it would appear, were comprised in 160,0001., but • writer in the Edinburgh Racism last year had made out those expenses to be 260,0001. His own opinion was that the aggregate of our expenses in promoting its suppression could not be less than between 800,0001. and 700,0001. an nually. (Rear, hear.) I Lord PALMERSTON assured the hon. member who had spoken that he regretted his absence from the house on y evening, and that it was not from any desire to OM advantage of that absence that he had spoken then wen the slave trade. His hon. friend had accused him of Itswasi unintentionally made erroneous statements, but be b emitted to specify in what the error consisted. His boa. friend had very amply confirmed the view he (Lord Palmenton) had expressed to the committee on Monday evening—namely, that there was at present a great dimin ution in the slave trade. He (Lord Palmerston) had stated that hla relied upon the operations of the squadron on o fieiretiai r tiehouse is prepared . the next main to bon . gentleman seemed to forget that in the event of the th e coast to " o "4liiii - auPPre 7 raina: his rescind • resolution which was come to after a long intramural graveyards being closed compensation should be statement was, that the squadron was an mental element, and anxious discussion. (Cheers.) Therefore it must given those wbo had an interest in them. Now it was int• but that it could not be expected fully to produce the de be some other point which will be proposed for our possible to find the means for such compensation sired result. lie agreed that, with • view to the suppression consideration. (Hear, hear.) I feel bound to say that I un l e ss by levying a rate. It was proposed to of the slave trade, we must go to the end, but then we must think we fell into a great mistake in the course which we raise the necessary funds on certain securities, but apply our means to the beginning as well as the end, if we pursued with regard to Baron Rothschild. (Cheers.) It parties subsequently obj e cted to these securities on the would attain success. The noble lord then repeated his will be in the recollection of the house, that upon the baron g round that there would be a risk. However, that diE- statement respecting the decadence of the slave refusing to take the whole of the oath, I rose and moved cu lty could be got over ; but within the last few days ago- trade, admitting, however, that great as the sue thatbee you, sir, do issue your warrant to the cl e rk of the ther had arisen, which was now under eonsideration, and cess had n, it was not complete. We must continue ___ crown fur • new writ for the city of London. (Loud cheers) he was not prepared to say that at that moment he saw his to exert those means which had p rod uc e d that success. We I was opposed by several members, and amongst others by wa y c l ear ly thro u gh it. must give our support to the party at Brazil who wished to get rid of the trade ; and then sure he was that at no dia- TheHOUSE OF COMMONS.—FAIDATi JULY IS. my right hon. sad learned friend the M a ster of th e Rolls, After • few words from Mr. Fox and Mr. Mower'', the then the attorney-general, who stated that under the net eo n was agr eed to. tat period this country might rejoins at the success of that Brialan took the chair at a quarter before four 11,5001. to defray Veleta. of parliament the penalty was Da the forfeiture of the seat, On the vote of the expenses of t h e E n • constancy, perseverance, and generous sacrifice which it had THE CASE OF MR. ALDERMAN BALOMONS. but merely of disability to sit and vote, and of the penalties cumbered Estates Commission in Ireland, evinced in producing the suppression of so abominable a i t ba ss wi nin g do the h is. minim tar Greenwich consequent upon that. I think he was mistaken in that Col. DUNNE said he b e li eve d th e a p po i n t m ent of a , Irak* (Hear, hear.) 'm en d e d ii , pima w o w ii , hi, axes, d i . him, was Wit, for I have very carefully considered the subjeet. mas t er by t h e j u d ges i n that commission to be illegal. 1 Mr. GIBSON had always considered the interference of crow d e d i n a mina , am mensal di ihmdmissimiihi of and s have come to the conclusion th a t th e pr e c e d en t s show There were also incidental expenses set down of which 1 the squadron on the coast of Africa, while unable tore pvent basins. At Meet tea minutes to *se Cusweval private the established coarse was to issue • new writ in case the there was no explanation. He also objected that Baron the stave trade, was calculated to increase the horrors of the bills ka b e es a o . t h e % N a ge wee i nforme d member refused to take the oath of abjuration. just se if Richards should receive 1,3001. a year so commissioner, middle passage. The noble lord had admitted that the slave that Mr. we as the bee sal wished to he had refused the oat* of allegiance and supreme! , in addition to his salary as sae of the barons of the Ex- trade increased during the years 1847-48-49, and that it take the oaths smil his msg. I think that I should be able to show this on Monday, if chequer. Ide wild he time explanation on the matter was only when the Brazi li an government was acted upon The Bemenes imbed hin to ewes to the table an d be that shall be the gaieties ; moo or and I cannot assume that it The seesmiedeeses disposed of considerably more than by public opinion that the change had taken place. He had HeftHeftwill be any o th er, although the hon. and learned member aoroo b u s, an d th e mat The has liMmilismeme then anenama t o th e tom, b e i m for Cork has grave doubts as to a decided point. (Hear.)er acre which it always contended that there was only one power which melbas& was 11. Beße did not believe that in America, could put down the slave trade is Brazil, and that was the leteseesed by Ste Ihmlamie Mall sad Mr. Joke Abel Smith. Mr. B. OSBORNE—I rise to order. The hen. gentle- or even New land could have been bought so formation of a public opinion in Brasil. It was public The Caw kelhemed the that the bee . gentle- man ought not to make • speech unless he intends to con- ohs* . The rental of the property sold was 107,7071., the opinion which had abolished tbe slam trade and slavery in Ilia asked to he swim ea tlie g L ai r'semetent. elude with a motion. upon which amounted to 4.088.0001. The the British dominions ; but it took thirty years to convince The SPEAREK—WIR Ile hen. gentleama se ate why he The SPEAKER ruled that that must be the ease. eoalleinkmeee emoieed only 1 , 330 ,0001,40 that the creditors even th e bishops that the slave trade was a great crime and age *he scow l Sir F. THESIGER—Men I take the liberty to move WWI istierisol to the extent of 3,000,0004, if what they a sin. They could not, therefore, expect • country like Mr. SALOIMONE—Essessa it is binding epos my sea- that the Speaker do isms Isis warrant to the clerk of the theemelmerepseted was correct. Brazil all at once to jump to the same conelusimi. But be mime. (Chesse) crown for a new writ for the borough of Greenwich, Mr. C. LEWIS said that the appointment of Baron wished to ask the noble lord whether the English govern- The hue.essOlsmen then took without obsematies the Mr. Alderman Salomon having refused to take the oath of Richards was a tempormy tee for the purpose of carrying merit was Prepared to set oPoo lile_P _minim or Lard Aber oaths of &Owe and sapremisey la the msal Sena, pro- suiration in the form . out the act. dean , who introduced the act called the Brazilian Act, nossoisi them to a lead mad &mime mks, sad patties ea The CHANCELLOr or VEXCHEQUER-I meet After • few weeds from Mr. G. A. Hamilton, Mr. which authorised British cruisers to deal with Brazilian Ms let as he attend the midge "BO blip me God I" H. say lem very mei sueprised at the omen wish the he.. HatelseU, Mr. Beebe, and Sir W. ilemeniße, ships according to the laws laid down by England in re- 1 toditdhentpitmcoenntscyt,:cnitha. which ther: as a s , is t :n_ of. Lord NAAS said that wheals, emirsehee leblsmersabers foresee to the gave trade, sod who said he would repeal the o ffi cers of this service were treated as corn lured — 7., h supported the measure they hell me lika of the length to that net ea Won in the Brazilian government should the manner of dealing towards the military o ffi cers, which it would go. It was ail SO about 2,000,0001. of east& hint to do so. He wished the noble lord to state i pr S e i p r ... F d . B to A ad ßl h N ere G property might pus through Ow malt, but 17,000,0001. whether he thought the time was now come for acting upon ; hardship or injustice in the case of these officers. li e ,„2 was the amount of encumbransen dew with which they that promise. were called upon to deal. ( Cheap.) He believed that the Lord PALMERSTON.—I do not consider that the time •ss satisfactory • character as he thought co u l d d bed` ,i,ed. effect of the measure was to do a great deal of harm, and he has come. After a few words from Sir G. Paul E trusted that a bill founded on so dangerous a principle Mr. CARDWELL entirely agreed in the opinion that t h e Captain SC OB ELL said under the existing arrangement would never again be brought before the house. 1 squadron in itself was not effectual to suppress the slave it was in the power of the Admiralty to keep an ,1%,„.,, Mr. MONSELL differed from his noble friend as to the trade ; but there was an inconsiatency in the ar g ument of from advancing by not employing him. The first lor d h - Li effect of the measure, but he regretted that it was not se- the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gibson). He said that the the power over the post captains of keeping them "nea t . cosapanied by the Security for Advances Bill. The working squadron was not effectual, but that the policy of the played and waiting their turn , thereby heaping a nig.; of this act had revealed a state of things in Ireland which if Brazilian government had been effectual in diminishing the upon them. But the system extended to a lower grad,..: A known before would he believed have made the house more slave trade. But what had caused the policy of the Bra- commander unless he had been two years afloat could not desirous of passing it sooner. Estates to the value of :Man government? It had been stated that in the early ,be promoted. With the lieutenants it was just the lime, 850,0001. a year had been brought under the court , and the p art of 1850 the slave trade was in full vigour, but that in land I and they must be afloat a certain period. Be knew th at encumbrances upon them were 17,971,0001. Out of the latter part of that year it had greatly diminished. Now, the list of officers was a large one, and that all could 1,6.50 estates which had been brought under this court, what happened in 18.50 ? There was upon the table of the not be employed, but what he wanted was to see one half had been under receivers of Use Court of Chancery. house • report, which he was sorry to say had beea sane- fair play, and that interest should not prevail. After a short conversation the vote was agreed to. : tioned by a committee, recommending the abolition of the Sir F. T. BARING said that the lion. and gallant officer 4,9931.'was granted for the erection and maintenance of squadron. That was known to the Brazilians, and those had sketched eaactly the picture which he (Sir F. T. certain lighthouses abroad. . who fostered the slave trade took encouragement Baring) wished to improve—the state of the portnavy. There On the vote of 130,0001. for the expense of taking the i from it. But when the re was brought before was a large list of captains who could not be emplayed, the census of the population, 1 the house the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) resisted same with commanders. The very evil was that you hoed Col. SIIITHORP complained of the hardship inflicted it with all the force of the government, and then the Bra. a larger list than you could employ, and the reducti , ,n of on females by requiring them to state their age. It was zilian slave trade no longer prospered. It was in the latter the list was what he had in view. No system coax gross, indecent, and unbecoming to show them up in that , part of the year 1850 that the slave trade in the Brazils was be devised by which some gallant and efficient officers way. (Laughter.) The sole object was to gratify a dirty, I reduced. The knowledge that the British parliament had were not left unemployed. low, and inquisitive curiosity. (Laughter.) Some of the ' reversed the decision of the committee, wrought a powerful Lord NAAS asked why iron steam-ships acre etcluded persons concerned did him the honour of consulting him on change upon the counsels of the Brazilian government. He from the contract packet service. the subject, and the advice he gave them was to open the emphatically denied — notwithstanding heattributed much of Sir F. T. BARI&O referred the noble lord to the evi -1 door and turn the inquirers out, and at the same time to what had been accomplished to the c han g e of p olic y on the dence that had been taken before the committee, and ex . .. ,W I . . ... • and o'- -at the evi- plained that it had been arranged by the contract that th e . . .. . . ~ ~.. . part of the Brazilian government peeplethat _ . dence they possessed did otherwise than substantiate the value of the British squadron on the coast of Africa. It was said that in 1842 the Brazilian governmet for a time attempted to suppress the slave trade, but that very soon a change came over the spirit of their dreams, and that the trade was not suppres-ed. But there were peculiar circumstances in 1842 which diminished the efficacy of the squadron. A portion of it was withdrawn for the Chinese expedition. But no man contended that a police of ships on the coast was the only means of suppressing the slave trade. There were, besides, two most effectual means, — commerce and Christianity. (Hear, hear.) It was by means of the naval force now on the African coast that rapine and piracy would be suppressed, and the trade which was now b.•ginning to grow up among the people would obtain strength. The native Africans would, in the first place, find that they could as longer profit by trading in slaves ; and next, they woald discover that they could obtain stood profit by carrying on commerce in those articles which their country produced. They had got missions, they had 10,000 children in the schools, and they had industry growing up in Africa, all irrespective of the policy of Brazil. With regard to the question of expense, he was not at all disposed to discuss it. If, when the enterprise they had embarked in was for a time unsuccessful, and their efforts had been attended with an unprofitable issue, the question of expense was hardly deemed a matter for the discussion, how much less must that be the case now that it was admitted that the traffic in slaves had never been so low, and that it was almost exterminated ? On the question of expense, therefore, he was was not at all afraid to make an appeal to the English people. As one who had the honour of representing a city which was deeply interested in the trade of South America, round Cape Horn front the East Indies and China, he was not prepared, for the sake of a miserable economy, to make those African seas what Sir Charles Ilotham and every naval officers examined before the committee declared they would become if the squadron was withdrawn,—a nest Gf pirates and plunderers, and to cause them to be the scourge, the disgrace, and the reproach of human nature, by leaving them to those by whom that infernal traffic was encouraged. (lieu, hear.) Sir It. INGLIS begged permission to offer his thankful testimony to the noble lord for his exertions in regard to the slave trade, and for the results which he had accom plished. (Cheers.) The subject then dropped, and the committee proceeded to the discussion of the vote. Mr. W. WILLIAMS brought forward those amendments on the vote which he had placed on the paper several weeks ago. The items to which he took exception were :—Ex penses for passages of the Bishops of Jamaica. Barbadian, Gibraltar, Antigua, and Newfoundland, 3191. 13s. Id.; con stituting and appointing Bishops of Quebec and Montreal, 1371. 19s. 6d. ; entertainment of the Danish governor on the coast of Africa, 751. Iss. ; robe., collars, badges, &e. for knight!, 250/. 7s. Id. ; marshal of the ceremonies,lB4l. 4s. ; funeral of the late Queen Dowager, 2,814 , . 3s. 6d. He could not understand why bishops appointed to foreign or colonial sees should travel at the public expense, seeing that they received their salaries either out of the consoli dated fund or from private *agrees. Ile did not see either why the public were to be charged for "constituting and appointing" Canadian bishops. Why were we to pay for the dinners of Danish governors on the coast of Africa? --- for their own " collars government should take the' steniners, with a viewei placing their hands upon them in CAM: of war for the public service. Those were the terms of the contract ; and it had unfortunately turned out, upon experiments which had been instituted at Portsmouth by the government, that as iron ship was tot a good war vessel ; and in blunt, that so far as present experience went, it was utterly unlit for warlike purposes. Under these circumstances, th e government in carrying out the plan according to the in tentions of parliament had excluded iron vessels from the contract service. After a brief conversation, Mr. SCULLY begged of the government to consider the subject of facilitating the mails to the south of Ireland. Ihe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER promised that the matter should engage his serious attention. Mr. REYNOLDS said that a letter sent from Monate to Mullinahone, 12 miles distant, had to travel 200 miles be- fore it reached its destination. The vote was agreed to. The vote of 103,7001. for the charge of militia was this agreed to. This concluded the votes of supply. The house then resumed, and proceeded to this disposalef orders. POOR RELIEF ACT CONTINUANCE BILL. This bill was read a second time. CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS NOTICES BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. LOCAL ACTS (PRELIMINARY INQUIRIES) BILL. This bill went through committee. COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION COM PENSATION BILL. This bill passed through committee. TITHE RENT CHARGE ASSESSMENT BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. The house rose at 2 o'clock, until 12 o'clock this day. PARLIA3fENTARY DIVISION. HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JULY 17. Minority on the Jew, Bill (Second Reading). Lotd Chancellor SAVA .110,.. Cowper Beaumont aIICHMIIIOP. Viiigall BroughMn Dublin Fitt...lllam Byron Granville Camoys MACS. eey Coburn. ArgyU Minto Cranworth Clevilind Morley butkrin Newcastle Scarborough Erskine Norfolk Brantford Vole, Sr. Germane Haab 11•14C1111B. Wicklow 1101 rand Clanricarde Kinnnird Donegal VISCOVNTS. Leith LIM Ilmite Canning Loom Westminster Torrington Montragra Hisadfort Overrun.. suitors. Bay. an I S-1. [MILO. Cork Stao!ry of Al.:er;rl Albemai k Ilweford Su .rley Bewborough Manchester Suftidd Bruce No wick Carlisle Chimer Chsrientont Chichester A Lama Worehnow Wr ire.... BARONS. Willoughby TEreit. Ashburton PROXIES. Hamilton, Duke of Teynhon, Lord Sutherland, Duke of Dadily, Lord Somerset, Duke of Ho:outer, Duke of Romberry, PATI ot Crumb 11, Lord Clarenduo, Earl of Vortercuo, Earl of Denman, Lord Yarborough, Earl of Burlingtoo, earl of Duce, Earl !Lowden. Lord Emmert, Earl of Falkland, Visional Iluntinadon Earl of Mormon, Lord Mootyn, Lo rd Mews/tire, Duke of Abererombr, lord Dureheser. Lord Bateman. lord Auckland, Lord Vernon, Lord Weals*, Lord Durham, Bishop of Bolingbroke. Viscount Limbo ry, Lord Glenelg, Lord Godolphin, Lord Lrondostor sigh, Lord Hertford, Marquis of Arundel, Loud Miiford, Lord Lumore, Viacom:it levelace, Earl Methuen, Lord Brougham, Lord eppeenmr, Earl ht Al , VII. Lord l'iincdon, Earl of De Freyne, lord Leinster, Duke of Sligo, Marquia of Carew, Lord Stuart de Deem", Lord PAINS. Asglesey, Marquis of Sand wklr, Earl of Clooeurry. Lord imolow, Earl Bedford, Duke of St. John, Lord Belhaven, Lord Lauderdale ' Earl of Camperduvrn, Earl of Eglinumn, Earl or Ciao) arum. Marquis of Rutland, Duke of Cremorne, Lord Erne, Ent of Polumore, Lord Carman, Earl of Rommore, Lord Sinclair, Lord York. Arekhshos of Eimer, Birnop of Panama. Lord 1.1.1:40. Ede of Gardner, Lord Munster. Earl of Zetland, Earl of Alvanlev, Lord Dormer, Lord Gag , Y iscrodat Ormunds, Marquis of Rome, Earl of Gosfurd, Earl of Darnley. Earl of Itibblesdale, Lord Templemore, lord llentinge, Vi-count Beverley, ho l of Sefton. Earl of Dartmouth. Earl of Filth irdurge, tut Tenterdeo, lord Bolton, Lord Marrone-ter, Door of Ponsonby, Viscount Jersey, Karl of Carrington, Lord Lorton, Viscount MAWR, Viscount Manses, Earl Wherneliffe, last Darrow/by, Ea! of Orattoo, Duke of Abergaveriny, Earl of Exmouth, Viscount Canterbury, Viscount De Hawley, Lord De Nov, Lord Oared, Earl of Somers, Fart Reduce, Earl Delsaarr, Earl Dinorbeo, Lord Blaynry, Lord Suffolk. Earl of Dimly. Earl Cork, Kull of Ailesbury, Marque , of Manners, Lord Cambridge, 11. n. 11. Dalin r.: Elsbinstone, Lord Glengell, Earl Leicester. Earl of Doneraile, Via:trent I umferarlitse, Lord Albs. Marquis et Harrington, Earl of Clourobili, Lord Hatherion, Lord Barbumt. Ku,! Normenby, Marquis of Winchester, Merges of Cottenbam, Earl of Fur eater, L red Peue. Lord Pomfret, Earl of Breadalbeas, Lord V. rater, Farr of Errol, Earl or Northwick, Lord Klatoro, Earl of Stamford and Warrington, &riot " knights," be thought, aught to pay for their own and badges." Seeing that they had an ambition for knighthood, they should be compelled to pay the expenses of the honour. What he chiefly objected to, however, among these items, was the 2,8411. for the funeral of the late Queen Dowager. Her Majesty had had an allowance of 100,0001. a year since her connexion with the English throne; and as it was understood that she had left a largo sum of money at her death, which sum had gone to her German relations, he considered that the public were very unfairly called upon to defray the merges of her intermeat. For reasons similar to those which he had stated he also objected to the following items, via. : Funeral of the late Princess Sophia, 6121. 2s. 7d. ; ditto of the late Duke of Cambridge, 3.13;. 7s. Id. ; auditing the accounts of Ma - nooth College, 100'. ; Episcopalian clergy of Scotland, 1,2001. ; the total amount of the items he had named was 6,1071. 111. 10d. Mr. C. LEWIS said that the vote taken last year for ' civil contingencies was 100,0001., but the sum actually expended was only 65,0001.—a pretty conclusive proof of the desire of the government to promote economy. (Haar, hear.) With respect to the items for dm travelling expenses of the bishops, he bad Italy to remark that these allowances had for a considerable time past been regularly made, and therefore to new principle was involved in the vote. The stipends 'of these bishops were not large, and some of them, as, for instance, the Bishop of Gibraltar's, was supplied from volun tary sources. With respect to the Queen Dowager, the fact would doubtless remain in the memory of most hon. gen tlemen that her Majesty had left a paper requesting her funeral to be of a very unostentatious character. (Cheers.) Though of course it was on a somewhat extensive scale, it was an exceedingly modest one, considering her exalted rank. (Cheers.) Colonel SIB' HORP agreed with the hon. member for Lambeth as to some of the items, but would not support him with respect to others. No one had a greater respect for the memory of the Queen Dowager, and he would sub scribe most liberally to a testimonial to her. Her charities WI been unbounded, and she had, he had always under stood, died rich in virtues but poor in wealth. (Cheers.) am he did not approve of this mode of defraying the expenses of her funeral, because he thought it was calcu lated to derogate from the public estimation in which she was held. (hear, hear.) Ile was sorry he did not see in the list of the hon. member an item of 1,0651. for promoting the Exhibition of the Industry of all Nations. (Laughter.) He looked upon that Exhibition as a gross fraud upon the public, injurious to the honest tradesman, and exercising a limit pernicious effect upon the minds of the people. It would send them to their homes discontented, and their minds would still be in the metropolis, although their carcases might be far away. (Loud laughter.) And then they should remember that " evil communications corrupt go od awmen." (Renewed laughter.) The head of the commis sion was an exalted personage, who received from the country about 70,000 a-year, although he (Col. Sibthorp) had been instrumental (and he was not ashamed of it) in cutting down his allowance to 30,0001. (Cheers.) Si would do more in that direction if necessary, and if any member would support him, rather than the public should pay this 1,0651, for the Crystal Pa lace, he would pay it himself. (Loud cheers.) The question had arisen whether the building should be kept up, but would they dare to retain it ? lie hoped there would be a visitation of Providence—(oh, on)—that there would be a storm that should utterly destroy it. (Laughter.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to' remind the gallant colonel that he was always open to the receipt of " conscience money"—(loud laughter) —and if the hon. gentleman would send him the amount he had spoken of, be promised him that it should be noticed in the Times. (Renewed laughter.) Colonel SISTHORP—You receive public money, and I don't Will you join with me (More laughter.) After some discussion, Mr. WILLIAMS said be would omit the item for robes nd collars from his amendment. The committee then divided — For the amendment 43 69-26 "Jolla, ARCIIBHIIIOI. or Tr Am," has addmsed to the secretary of the Catholic Defence Association, the following lethal' on the question which now ogitit.. , the public mind :—" St. Jarlsth's, Town, Feast of our If.e.sed Lady of Mount Carmel, 18i1. Dear Sir,—A con,iderable expenditure will necessarily be required to render etf.ctive the great organisation now forming by the cantlict of Ireland for the protection of their holy religion quint the unprincipled Ministerial aggression by which it Le assailed. A small sacrifice of money cannot be rebelled in a sacred cause, for which, if necessary, life Abell should be cheerfully laid down as an earnest of the deep interest I feel in the holy object of the append ing coalition, as strong and compact I trust as it wi'd doubtedly be comprehensive. I beg to inclose my mite d 31. sterling, with the assurance of my firm purpose to to operate in everything in my power towards forming and sustaining an association which one of the first laws d self-defence imperatively requires. Had such a da•esive body been maintained since the days of our partial council's lion, 4ealously watching the inroads since silently mole on the rights of Catholic Ireland, and • '•• the cotmill 4 warning Against .. ~ , On returning to the gallery, against the unrighteous insolence by which they se. re sg un- l agu ravated, until at length they manifested theinseleo ,i , Mr. CLEMENTS was found addressing the committee, and coinplaining of the course pursued in fi xing the ennui- ised persecution, . Ireland would not have no* to do 1 the treachery by which its too simple reliance on I wo, 0 _ ties payable by the electoral divisions of each union in Ire land, under the act 13 and 14 Vic. cap. 14. The poor law th thobe religion and the sacred rights 01 humanity melt commissioners had left it to each union to nay when it ece r parties has been requited. In short, the equal int. r.-ts t wished to repay the advances, and of course each union I were to a certain extent forgotten or unheeded in the .56U - wished with which the course of individual promotion or es . wished the payment to be extended over so long a period as possible. The commissioners laid down certain principles but the Chancellor of the Exchequer had laid down arbi trary rules of his own by which the payments were to be fessing catholics prospered, they saw the catholic church age was run ; and the consequence is that while a fe.! Pro' . _ hundreds of fettered and the catholic people dying in 0 . made much quicker. thousands, without daring The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it to raise their voice in favour_ 1 would be remembered, that the object of the last the liberties of the one or the lives of the others. it is ths act was, to extend the period of conviction of the evils which 20 years of political Owl s 40 years in the cases of the meet distressed unions. A con re.porooot to viency and intrigue have entailed on our religion and pes•• siderahle number of unions asked that that period should that makes us bear with such calmness and compdew _ be e :tended to them, and it was determined that the period of repayment should be fixed in reference to the threatened renewal of the penal laws, which must p:l! .. •_± end to the worst evils of corruption. For pereon. of C, 9 _ • circumstances of each union. Ile objected to any unbend.i constant aim is to emulate their lives by the law- may elude the poor law commissioners from considering the cir- violated have no terrors. As long as human laws ram is ing and inflexible rule being laid down which would pre- an brutal enactments by which those sacred laws Cc aunstances of each electoral division. to them becomes a pleasing duty ; but whenever ti Alter a few words from Mr. Clements, Sir P. Nugent deflect from the great pathway that has been lighted ny Sir Lucius O'Brien, and Sir D. Norreys, the same direction with the Divine ordinances obi diem ' Ood himself for man's guidance, then no rational arta:: Colonel SIBTIIORP moved that the vote be reduced can hesitate about the course he is to pursue. I bj" by 1,0651. 17s. Od. honour to remain your very faithful servant, The committee divided: " Mr. J. Burke." . 14 JOHN, Archbishop of Tura. - Of For the amendment 33 OE t. SIR ROGER SIIEAFFE, BART. (A)w• Th NW, Against The vote was then to. after not less than seventy-three years' service in the any: The sum of 44 , 61 3 T. w as voted for half-pay pendent' Thia officer was employed in the Baltic, on board chi i f and allowances to the commissariat. under Lord Nelson, and subsequently during the g ii t On the vote of 809,4961. to defray the charge of the post America, in which he distiOgM u hi mself . C h d in a Prop use% office packet service being put, manner, and was created a baronet in consequen ce. Si, DE L. EVANS complained of the rigour with which damaged officer was ninety years of age. no THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 19, 1851. i