The Express. — London, England, 1848-04-05 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN E. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY, APRIL The Loan CHANCELLOR took his mat at 6 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. TIDED READlNG.—llensage's Menem Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. SECOND READING . -Stamp Duties Assimilation PAPERS PHESENTED.—By the Marquis of LAN.DOWIti, two re turns with reference to the state of olfritonure la irrlnint. RETURNS ORUERED.-06 the motion or the Earl of ELLX7IIIO - certain return. agreed 011 with the government relative to the increase ef like public expenditure. ODD FELLOWS' SOCIETIES. Lord BEAUMONT laid on the tele • bill of which he had givers nonce, tor legalising Odd Fellows' Snieties. The bill was read a first time and ordered to be printed. 1 PORTATION OF COTTON . The Earl of HARDWICKE, on presenting the petitions from L)nn and Newry on the subject of the navigation laws, said that in a discussion which took place last night in the other h, a member had state that there were certain bales of ouse cotton in some of the ports of France which if they could be imported into England would be particularly useful to our MEM U ledUeeekl, th e there shoulden was a deartbc fairh of cot it iy in ton us thisall country. Now he tkeugh the statements that were mode. It was said that if the Privy Council is.ad an order, allowing the free importation of this cotton, it would not affect the navigation laws. In answer to this statement, be would beg to quote • paragraph in one all that day's papers " The o.,ergow Cotton Woel Merkel. — that has been rather an inanimate demand fur cotton this weeds; the dulness of the &nasal has not caused any rase in the price." TENANT-RIGIIT IN IRELAND. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, on presenting the pe tition trom Wexford in favour of tenant-right, soil that al though he was not connected 'with the county, ke could not refuse to present the petition, but he begged to say that he did not agree in its prayer. lie understood whist tenatt.right meant in Ulster • but the propo sition in the petition that wou thld a mount to confiscation, an t he petitioners prayed e tenant should be empow marquis his interest to the high- est bidder. The nohle took occasion to express his admiration of the public coi.ductof the noble earl (Clarendon) at the head of the government, which had met with the approval of all chases in Ireland. (Ilea:, hear.) Atter a taw words from Earl COL' MEOW N, which were in audible, he say et dropprd. VERANDAHS IN COLOMBO. Lord BEAUMONT, on presenting the petition from Co 'maim, said that nearly all the houses there had verandahs be fore them which had been standing front time immemorial many of them had been known to exiat for upwards of sixty years. No doubt they were in many cases an impediment to carriages in the narrow streets ; but still they were of great value to the inhabitants. In 1816 the government issued an advertisement stating that it was necessary to destroy theth em se verandahs, and the pers ons who yomessed would receive nothing for their lose, ss the crown claimed them to be their property, inasmuch as they stood on crown land. The inhabitants had petitioned against the destruction of their property, but without effect, and many of the houses would fall con siderably in value by the removal if the verandahs ; the in habitants of see. rah of such houses were also very poor, and it was a matter of great consideration to them. lie hoped the noble earl the Secretory for the Colonies would be able to give some satisfactory explanation on the subject. Earl GREY Mini the facts were not quite accurately set forth in the petition. From the increase of commerce and teethe in the town of Colombo these verandahs had be come a great nuisance. Acting under an ordinance of the legislative council in 1844, the governor had given notice that he should expect parties to prove their right to the verandahs, and where they had done so, and it was necessary to pull them down for the public health and convenience, compensation had been given ; but where they had failed to prove their right to the verandahs they were removed without compr.r.sation. There had been only one case tried in the courts of law on the subjec', and the deci.ion was in favour of the government, inasmuch as it was considered the verandahs encroached on the public property. (Hear.) Th.. it lordships then adjourned at six o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, APRIL 4. The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE. BUSINESS. SECOND READING.—Iiikti len Bridge-road (No. 2) BBL NEW MEMBER. Sir J. C. lloanoeez, introduced by Mr. ELLIOT and Mr. H. BERKELEY, took the oaths and his seat for Harwich. THE NAVIGATION LAWS.—COTTON AT HAVRE. Lotd G. BENTINCK wished to is , le the Vice-President of the Boar i of Trade for same explanation of certain ex planations which bail been given last night with re-peat to the navigation laws. It had been stated that a British or an American ship, laden with cotton, having entered Havre, might come to this country with her cargo, provided she did not tiri.ak bulk. There was an impression abroad that thi; was intended to convey to merchants that, if she did break bulk, she would not be entitled to bring the remainder of her cargo to be discharged in this country. lie understood that Sir Vicary Gibbs and Sir Samuel Shepherd hid ex p.( seed an opiaion that either a British or foreign sbipladen with the produce of her own country, was entitled to enter any foreign port, discharge a portion of her cae!ci, and bring the remainder to this country. He wished to asit whether the right bon. gentleman had any objection to lay that opinion on the table of the house. Mr. Id. GIBSON said he was not aware that those °pi- iom had been given, but he would make inquiries on the subject. With regard to the question itself, he should be sorry to undertake to interpret an act of parliament, and should decline to offer an opinion as to what might be done with the cargo of a v essel from Auntie or any other country, which had been partly discharged at Havre. He only knew what the law stated, that the produce of Asia, Africa, or America should rot be brought from other ports in Europe to the United Kingdom, provided the ships containing it had broken bulk in those ports. No doubt, if such a case as the noble lord alluded to should arise, that of a ship discharging part of her cargo in Havre, and Proposing to bring the rest to England, an opinion could easily be obtained whether it was admissible. Lord G. BENTINCK asked if the riAt hon. gentleman would not be disposed to have the question settled now. It was of great importance to the trade to know before hand whether such pert cargo could enter here; for it would be rather late, when the vessel arrived, to moot the question, and have it decided perhaps against theta. Mr. M. GIBSON said there could be no doubt whatever it was very desirable that the question should b" settled now; but be was quite sure that any opinion he might give upon the law would not settle it. He would make the matter knowu, and he hoped the question would be settled before any easel so freighted arrived. THE " NATION " NEWSPAPER. Mr. B. COCHRANE wished to ask the noble baronet the Secretary for Ireland, whether his attention had been called to the language used in the last number of the Nation, and whether the government was instituting proc.eilings against the editor of that paper ? That language was to the following effect. The leading article of the last number eeminenc:d thus: — Ireland's necessity demands the desperate remedy of revolution It demands it nib jUntice loeture Uud, and all who are really made in the inane of God. This last resource of nations, a revolution, means a peaceful or a violent uprooting of government, and an uprooting of so ciety. Its business is to cure the evils that cannot be t o lerated—to cure them with as little lees of blood and time as the means The of continental the re volutionists and the nature of passion will allow. nations ell have their grievances; but antis are immeasurably greater. They sought the right of meeting; but we seek the right of existence. They sought the liberty of the press; but we weir the liberty to lice. The real alternative with Ireland is, decimation or revolution. It Is evident that the whole mace of our foreign rulers are but a club of gravediggers. We are decimated, not by the will of God, but by the will of the wing government. Obedienee to a government which rules to wrath and legislates to desperation, I. a high crime and a conspiracy e gur ast the nation. Votes of confidence in such a govern ment are death warrants. Keeping order is the came as doing the undertaker's work ; and aiding them in the administration of the law is finishing cer, without accusation or trial, fresh millions of our doomed populace. He wished to know whether the attention of government had been directed to this language, and whether it was their intention at once to institute proceedings against Mr. Duffy, Or whoever was the author of that treasonable language ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE raid he had not seen or heard of the extract referred to until the hon. member read it. Ile had certainly been is the habit of reading productions equally extravagant for a considerable time past in the Irish journals. Of course he was not able to tell the hon. gentle man that it was the intention of government to take any step in reference to these art:cles in Mr. Duffy's newspaper. The attention of the Lord Lieutenant would be called to it ; and no doubt he would take such steps in reference to that article as in his discretion he might think fit. THE " TIMES" NEWSPAPER. Mr. O'CONNOR asked if the attention of the Attorney- General had been drawn to a letter in the Times newspaper of that day, showing how governments might be destroyed by other means than by warfare; and if it was the inten tion of the government to prosecute that paper? He was sure that nothing which had been published in the United Irishman or in the Nation could exceed that article in I ar harity. It purported to have been written by a (=revolt. dent, but it had evidently been manufactured. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said if the hon. member had given him notice of his intention to ask this question he would have directed his attention to the article. But when he stated that he had risen early to read a case for the House of Lords, and had been attending a committee until three o'clock, he thought the hon. member would excuse his not being prepared to Roemer the question. (Hear.) THE GALWAY EVICTIONS. Mr. ST. GEORGE begged the indulgence of the house for a short time whilst he rvlied to the charges brought against him by the bon. member for Stroud, and which were founded on the report of Major WKie. He complained of the conduct of the poor law commissioners in not giving him an opportunity of meeting the charge of illegality and cruelty when the investigation was made. The hon. gentleman then read a long statement which he made in reply to the letter of the Lord. Lieutenant of Ireland, who asked for es planation, from him, from which it appeared that ejectments had been brought in due form of law against his tenants of Letterutore and Baromna—that 1,5001. was due to him, and that he offered to give 1,1001. if he was paid 4001., which the tenants promised to do. They, however, did sot perform that promise. The land was filled with squatters from other estates, and no less than 600 sheep and nine head of cattle bad been killed or stolen from his property. The evidence of I Thee. M'Donagh and M.lff'Donagh alone applied to hismaia With respect to the former, the hole gentleman read a letter I from the parish priest, which stated that he was not a man of good character, that he was accused of stealing a taw from his neighbour, and he (the priest) concluded be was guilty because the cow was found in his posewetee. (Laughter.) When the under-sheriff went to take sion of his home it was found empty, and M'Donagr had been absent from it for three weeks previously. With respect to Michael 111‘Donagh, it was totally untrue that his house load been thrown down. On no occasion had tenants THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 5, 1848. to answer to ?dr. 0508110a11 11 , Lord J. RUSSEL L said that the govern ment did not in tend to p roceed with the Encu mbered Estates Bill before Easter. he Landlord and Tenant Bill was fixed for Friday, but be could not say that it wo uld be proceeded with be fore Easter. PREVENTION OF EJECTMENTS. In reply to Mr. STAFFOR D, r nment proosed the legal to bring Sir O.REY , aid that the gove in a bill to prevent eiectments, whatever might be rights ef the landlord cr the nature of the tenure, without giving noticeto the parties ; and also without giving notice to the board of guardians that the ejecunenta would be likely to lead to their extreme destitution. (Hear, hear.) The bill would also provide 'palest the destruction or pull ing down of houses by midnight, whatever might be the lo cal rights of the parties. Such would be the general provi sions of the measure. (Hear.) DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ROME. In answer to Mr. FORRRS, Lord PALMERSTON said that this bill would not be brought on before Easter. EPISCOPAL AND COMMON FUND. Mr. HORSMAN rose to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, for the purpose of doing away with the distinction which was drawn between the episcopal and common fund. In 1836, an act passed that house, re gulating episcopal revenues and providing that a para. ri of the income of the richer sees should be applied to increase the smaller and poorer ones. In 1840, another act was passed, which provided that certain episcopal funds were to be applied to the augmentation ot small livings. Two funds were created by these two acts, and them was nothing to show that they were to be kept separate. They were, how ever, kept separate ; but the commissionin had no doubt that this was a mere matter of administrative arrangement. But, by the act of 1841—an act brought in for another pur pose—words were introduced which gave a statutable sanc tion to the distinction between the two funds. It could not be doubted that this principle was established without the ap proval of the house, for the right hou. baronet (Sir J. Graham) one not the least astute of the commias:oners, declared at the close of teat session that he was ignorant ot any such distinction, except as a matter of administration, till it came out before the committee over which the noble lord the member for Totness (Lord Seymour) presided; and he also declared that he did not concur in the pmpriety of any such distinction. It established the principle that the property of the bishops was not the property of the church; that the episcopacy was to be separately cared for, and not es a portion of the entire chu rch ; that no matter how poor the , church and how wealthy the pre l a t es —no matter how small the nssities of the episcopacy and how great the wan*); of the ch ec u e rch—so strong was this principle—so sacred were the rights of the order, that if those fund.hey could should be not be expended for episcopal purposes here, t applied for the establishment of bishops in the colonies. It could not be said that there was not spiritual destitution in this country to the relief of which this fund could be use fully applied. The Bishop of London admitted in his evi dence that the spiritual wants of the:metropolis and the ma nufacturing districts were outgrowing the charitable efforts which had been made of late to meet them. But, however, he gave his opinion that the diwthetion between the two funds ought to be maintained. It was the language of every prelate and every clergymen that there were not sufficient means to meet the spiritual destitution of the growing popu lation. In Wales large desertions were taking place from the church owing to this cause, and yet it was maintained that w h a tever was the parochial destitution this principle of the distinction of the funds was not to be deported from. That principla was more objectionable when they came to consider the origin of the fund. The fund was derived from parochial tithes. The tithe payers had, it was true, the benefit of the spiritual superintendence of the bishop, but if there was a surplus, was it fair that the parochial tithe payers should be taxed for tha purpose of maintaining a bishop in a distant colony, whom they might never see ? There TOO the greatest difference between the amount derived from paro chial tithes and the expeneiture of it for parochial purposes. The income attached to the see of Canterbury was limited to 1.1,0001. a year, and to bring it within that limit the arch bishop had to pay 6,0001. to the ecclesiastical commissioners. Would it not be just to apply this 6,0001. in the first instance for the relief of spiritual destitution within the see of Canterbury, from which it WAS derived? (Gear, hear.) It could not be said that it did not require relief. The honourable gentleman here read a return of various parishes in the diocese of Canterbury, from which it appeared that with the exception of two cases there was no house for the clergymen, and the amount of tithes drawn from the parishes was more then four times the income of the incumbents. The case was t..c same with regard to the dioceses of York, London, Ely, Sali-bury, Balmer, Bath and Wells, and Rochester. In every one of these cases there was scarcely an instance in which the incumbent had a house. lie asked, therefore, again, was it wise to lay down the principle that the tithes should not he restur‘ d to the parishes by which the payments were made, and which were evidently so much in need of them ? (Hear.) Now there was only one argument raised in favour of the perpetuation of this distinction, and it was stated in the strongest terms, in his evidence before Mr. E. Denis n's committee, by t':e Bishop of London. At question 1,181 the bishop stated his opinion that the expediency of amalgamating the funds was doubtful, because, in such case, provision could not be made for new bishops from episcopal property , "If the funds were amalgamated there would," said the right rev. prelate, " be a cry for more clergy in preference to mere bishops." Surely that argument carried with it its own condemnation. Was the church—was the ecclesiastical commission—to put itself in opposition to the wish of the church? Could any comparison be drawn between the Prelates and the clergy ? Was there a single bishop with out a residence ? Was there a single bishop with too limited a stipend? He did not know what might be the course Liken by the government on this occasion. He was not without hopes that they might feel it dangerous to oppose the resolution. Certainly if they conceded it, he was bound to s us that this would e but ne step in a work of frm. He teci the goverbnmento would un dertake tha t w o ork. He saw much in the conduct of the government in ecclesiastical matters to approve. Their appoint ments, both to the bench and to the parishes which had fallen to their patron a g e were hi g hl y to be applauded. The question involved the best interests—the social and moral interests—of the people, and h.• trusted the govern ment would prove themselves awake to its importance. In such a course they would have the certain support of the most rev. prelate, who, at the head of the churc h, was likel y to prove such a'blessing to the people. The hon. member concluded by moving his resolution. Lord ASHLEY said lie rose to second the motion, and he did so on the ground that it was csaentiaily necessary to the peace of the church to deal out equal and impartial measures to all the branches of the church. Sir G. GREY said he did not rise to controvert any of the arguments shich had been used by the mover and seconder of the resolution. Assuming that the parochial clergy were not to be tied and fettered too much by forms, but that an other agency might be introduced coming to the homes of the poor, he was certainly inclined to agree that a great in crease in church efficiency was required. But, at the same time, the efficiency and number of bishops ought, he felt, to be increased ; and, certainly, if this matter were to be coo. sidered at all, the proper mode would be to introduce a hal with respect to it, not to attempt to bind the house by an ale street resolution. OR a former occasion he had protested against being bound by the permanent distinction of the two funds, and certainly he must particularly protest against being hound by the opinion expressed by the Bishop of London as to the desirability of preventing that distinction. The various questions, of which this only was one, which were under the consideration of the committee of last session, had long been subjects of discussion in the commission ; and measures w e uld, he had no doubt, be propoeed for the better adminis tration of the funds of the commission. Under these cir cumstances he asked the house net to consent to this ab stract resolution, and he concluded by moving the previous question. Isle. PLUME TEE expreseed his regret at the course adopted by the government. If he wanted any assurance of the friendly feeling of the hon. member for Cockermouth to the church and to the clergy, it would be afforded him by the fact that on this occasion he was seconded by the noble lord the member for Bath. Lord SEYMOUR, as chairman of the committee of last session. must candidly soy that he had beard the resolution of th e government with some degree of disappointment. It was easy to say " bring ins bill ;" but they all knew the diffi cu lties of that course. (Cheers.) Sir R. R. INGLIS was most anxious to say nothing that could bear the interpretation of opposition in a debate cha racterised by so much candour, but he must repeat what be had uniformly contended for in that house, that the rights of ecclesiastical corporations were inviolable. With respect to what had been said about tithes, the bishops were not respon- • sible for the circumstance of having parechial tithes as component part of their revenues. lie thought it would be injudi ions unadvisedly to amalgamate the two funds, espe cially when they considered that the existing distinction af forded them the opportunity of creating new bishopric , when new bishoprics were required. Sir R. PEEL always felt great difficulty in voting for a proposal which suggested to the house in the shape of • resolution a proposition which con:el only be carried out by legislative enactment. Considering that no resolution could be effectual which was not acceded to by another house of parliament, he thought that to pass what were commonly called abstract resolutions was • somewhat dangerous and byno means at any time an advisable course. lie hoped the hen. member would not involve the house in • division on the present occasion, as be should be sorry to give a vote adverse to the general principle laid down by the bon. member. He had the highest respect for the bench of bishops, and for the functions which they were called upon to fulfil ; he rqarded the welfare of the church as inti mately connected with the due discharge of those func tions, and, he believed that there was no clus of her Majesty's subjects more conscientiously devoted to the per formance of those duties, as a body, then 'were the bench of bishop. Further, he was not prepared to con trovert the proposition that, at some future tune, additional bishops might usefully be crested, but, no such creation would be advisable until there was a clear sur plus of funds available for that particular purpose — (hear, hear)—and there must, in the first place, be due eon aide:Minn prid to :he spiritual necessities el •be mama of the population, whose destitution in this respect was most appalling. (Hear, bear.) In the second report of the com missioner& it was stated that in thirty-diocese ei ghof t Cmanuter,factu there was churah accommodation for only one twenty-third part of the population—(bear, hear); that in the dicicem of Lich field, with a population of 235,000 souls, there was church room for hat'do,ooo ; and that in the thirty-four parishes of the metropolis, a population of 1,137,00 0 bad but 101,000 church sittings. (Hear.) As to the condition of a large proportional the working clew it was truly deplorable. Toe same report gave a list a 3,528 benefices under 150/. per an num, of which 13 had a population exceeding 10,000, while 51 others had populations varying from 5,000 to 10.000. (Hear, hear.) The mere facts there dated exhibited the in diction of the most galling hartlehipe upon the working clergy of England—(hear, hear)—and the absolute necessity that prior to considering the question of more bishops ample atten tion should be paid to remedy the grievous evils now sua twines by the working clergy and by the populations thus fearfully destitute of spiritual aid. (near, hear.) Ile should ever, as he had se cular , resist any pee ( .% for applying church property to purpost e ; but in matters affecting not only the interests of the church but the laureate of reli gion, ho could not concur with the hon. baronet opposite that the revenues hitherto cnje)ed by the bishops, from whatever s print were to ob ser ve d , eir sole ri4ht. ttleor, hear.) If this ple were any given archbishop or bishop might derive 100,0001. or 200,000 1., al to or him any a mount from his ace, and rigist all appe for aid, even though the spiritual condition of his dis trict amounted to absolute destitution. (Hear, hear.) lie quite agreed with his noble friend as to the ex pediency of making the income of the bishops one clear and certain payment. Ito would repeat his desiro that the settlement of this most important question should he the re sult of a bill, and in his derided opinion this bill ought to emanate from the government. (Hear, hear.) An. step taken for guaranteeing to the respective bishoi s a certain revenue must be accompanied with a well-considered pro vision for the due management of the citadel , of the church I (hear, bar) —a provision which should rest upon the responsible persons who constituted the executive govern ment of the country. (Hear, hear.) As to the distino- don between the episcopal and the general fund, lie was bound to sly, looking at the state of our parishes, particu larly et those in the inanuf,cturing districts, that in his opinion the distinction ought to be substantially abolished. I (Hear, hear.) He did not mean to affirm that the whole of, the combined funds should be applied to the use of benefices, or thatno new bishops should at an y time be crested; but he certainly desired to remove the barrier which had, in the shape of this diqinction, impeded so materially the in crease of parochial epi itual superintendence. (lka, hear). Under the existing pressure of public business he did not ask. the government to come forward at once with a measure en the subject, but he hoped that some intim ition ould be made on their part of a readiness to der take the matter at the earliest possible mo lie felt deeply impressed with the necessity of applying all the surplus revenue of the church to the spiri tual wants of the country. The measures he had already taken with this purpose had produced the effect of supply ing church accommodation for 81,000 persons; and lie war moat anxious that, as nearly as possible, the entire wants of the country in this most essential mpect should' be supplied. Ile hoped the lion member for Cockermouth would leave the matter in the hands of government. Mr. V. SMITH supported tne resolution. Mr. BRIGHT took o ccasion to dwell upon the extent ft 'to , which the voluntary principle effected the objects which the revenues art the state church were confessedly withheld. In his own parish, that of Rocut of hdale, with of a population of hetweeo 70,000 aid 80,000, o 51 places worship 41 had been erected by the voluntary contributinos of dissenters from the church of England • and again. at Merthyr Tydvil, which he had visited some few months past,' he found that out of 22 places of worship 20 owed their 1 construction to a similar Attune. The case was the same throughout \Val a aud Scotland. He deprecated the crea tion of new bishoprics as wholly uncalled for. The nub' • lord at the head of the government had referred with &droll air of deprecation to the fact that the preeent Archbishop o Canterbury and his succeasors were to have on/y 15,000/. a year. Lord J. ItUSSELL—Subject to arrangement. (Dear). Mr. BRIGIIT continued Yes, but under every ar rangement, the most rev. prelate was to have 15,000/. a year. Why, on earth, was the Archbishop of Canterbury to have V.ree times the salary of the Prime Minister of Eng land, an officer burd. ned with such bard work, such rayon sibilities, such wear and tear of every description—wear and tear so severe, that he would venture to say the uoblo lord, if he continued to undergo it, would not lice half so long as the most rev. prelate with his quiet comfortable career, and his 1.5,0001. a year. (Laughter.) In point of fact, there was no class of men who got such a vast deal for doing such infinite little, as did the right rev. bench. Mr, ar, hear.) lie should be highly delighted to see them relieved alto gether from their attendance in another place, their presence is which appeared to him altogether opposed in its results to the progress of public liberty, the advance ment of sound policy in state and even in church, and the promotion of religion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE admitted, as a matter of course, that a very large proportion of the masses of our population con sisted of dissenters ; but the fact still remained that an ion menet extent of population, more especially of the manufac turing and mining classes, members of the church of Eng land, were destitute of that spiritual instruction which the resources of the church, aided, if need be, by these of the state, were plcdg dto afford them. He strongly condemned the manner in which the hon. member for blanchester had spoken of the right reverend bench. The language of the hon, member on this subject was alike discreditable to his understanding and to his feelings. (Hear, hear.) True there were seine of the bishops who were not eve rworleed— (hear, hear) —but there were also anionic the body men of remarkable energies, of energies in no way surpassed by those of any man in or out of parliament, and who had bear grievously overworked in the fulfilment of their MICIell func tions. One ef them at this moment was, there was reason to fear, sinking under the discharge of hie labarious duties; and the mere recollection of that most excellent pre late—need he say he referred to the Bishop of Londoo— (hear, hear) —should have sufficed to close the lips of the hon. member when he was proceeding to make the unwar ranted attack he had just given utterance to. (Hear, hear ) The allusion which the hon. member had made to the de ceased Archbishops of York and Canterbury was, in his I opinion, ungracious and Tarot uncalled-for ; and as to the amount which the boa. member had state d these most re-• verend prelates to have received, he believed it to be altogether an exaggens ion. As to the question immediately before the house, he was in favour of the fusion of the two funds, by a well considered legislative enactment; but he had not as yet heazd any distinct suggestion cs to the principle on which the subsequent application of these revenues should bo made. There was an idea entertained by several gentlemen that it was a waste of funds to appropriate any surplus that arose to the endowment of new bishoprics, and that all such moneys ought to be exclusively applied to the extension of parochial churches. But he considered that if new bishoprics were only created after a due inquiry and a positive conviction of the necessity of such appointments, then there was a very proper economy observed of the church funds ; and that such was the case was notoriously evident in the case of the new colonial bishops. For the church of England and in the colonies, until those bishoprics bad been created, was in an utterly inefficient state, disgraceful alike to the people and to t h e g overnment at home; wh-reas, by endowing each of those bishoprics with an income of partly 1,2001. a year, partly de rived front national funds and supplied by private benevolence, the church had been enabled to make the most strenuous and successful efforts in the colonies. In answer, therefore, to those who contended that there had been a waste committed of the church funds in the appointment and endowment of new bishops, he would only point to the colonies as a full refutation of that exertion, and as a proof that the judicious exten sion of episcopacy was calculated highly to advance the interests of the church of England, and to extend the benefits of that establishment to a vast number of persons. But even looking at the other side of the question, and taking into consideration the expediency of having regard only to church extension, he must observe that there was danger in proceeding too fast in this direction.lie needed only to advert to a circumstance which had come to his knowledge in order to afford a striking proof of the truth of what he asserted. The late Dr. Chalmers, whose genius no lees than whose zeal no one would question, had emphatically warned the Bishop of London agatn-t the danger of too sudden an increase of church accommodation, advising him rather to concentrate his energies upon par- Ocular spots, than to waste or weaken them by scattering them over too wide a district. In like manner the legit lature ought to have regard rather to the most beneficial mode of applying the surplus funds of the church, let them arise from what source they might, by concentrating the efforts for strengthening and wideuing the influence of the church in distinct and selected instances, than by scattering those funds over so wide an arena as to make their applica• tion little felt. Under these circumstances, and entertaining the views he had stated, he should join the government in 1 voting for the previous question. Mr. W. P. WOOD said that the only difference which I existed on either side of the house, with the exception of 1 the bon. baronet below him (Sir It. Inglis), who was con ' sietent in opposing all interference with the episcopal I funds, appeared to be whether any distinct expression of opinion on the subject should or should not be postponed 1 until a bill had been brought in to remedy the evils which' the resolution before tl.em touched upon. For his own pert 1 he must say, that if he had any hope held out to him on the Part of the government that • bill to remedy these evils Would be brought in by ministers, then he should be pre pared to say, =et the resolution proposed by the bon. member for Cockermouth was premature. But, in the ab sence of any such hop:, he must say that the house was greatly indebted to the hon. member, ter having brought the subject under the notice of parliament. Therewas an act forenabling the ecclesiastical commissioners to dal with the surplus incomes of deans and chapters, and to apply that surplus to the cure of souls by augmenting the stipends of the working clergy a nd there had existed a clause b y which the powers of this clattere extended to the surplus epiecopal (uncle, but Land he had been repealed by a subeequent act, and he did not think that by re-enacting it the purpose which the resolution expressed would be effected. That residetion, as he read it, was to the effect that the surplus epistler! fund should no longer be exclusively reserved for pur poses. lie entir , ly concur red in that Be saw no reaaon why the two surplus funds elm sh e d ems and chapters and the episcopal revenues obisbi set be I blended into one, and applied generally fie the wpm d alleviating spiritual destitution. There Wilt exist parti cular cases in which an extension of the number of bish the ops w ould be advantageou as, for instance, is the case of 1 bishopric which embraced the islands of Jersey, &c., where there was too much labour impose.' on one individual. There were many good working bishops, but the enormous incomes apportioned to some of them did not tend to their efficiency. The mode adopted of taking the average incomes of we bishops was such as to leave them mucn larger than the act contemplated, and as thew incomes could l not undthe er t h e eziating act be a g ain touched during the ife of bi s h o p who had on ce returned his average for seven years, it behoved the parliament to adopt some mode of enforcing the spirit of the act, and of re- et ducing the in comes of the bishops to the amou filed as proper by the ecclesiastical commissioners. Oa the property of the Bishop of London a large town had was de• been built within a very few years, acome Ulna from the very large population which now inhabited that district. Would it not be a Contradiction in terms to say that a portion of the surplus the to inco s m rituae arisliwang nts of that from that pro perty should not be a pp lied pi population w hich had been created by it ? Whiet dwe llin g only this subject he must not omit to observe that it was only due to the Dean and Chapter of Westminster to state, that during the lest few years the sum of 10,0001. had been contributed 11 them towards supplying the spiritual wants of the population of Westminster, in anpportiug schools and other places of instruction and worship. That some resolu tion ot the nature of the one before the house would be pro ductive of good results he entertained no doubt, and there fore he should vote for it. Lord J. RUSSELL sail that, looking at the resolution as an abstract propositiou, he could find no fa o ult th with it declare . The h on . member for C ickermouth proposed tem to that, in the minion of this house, the distinction between the episcoal mid common funds, restrieneg the application of the surpplus r e venue. of the a rchbishops and bishops to episcopal purposes, and permitting no part of it, in any cir cumstances, to he applied to the relief of parochial destitu tien, is inexpedient, and ought not to bo continued. It seemed to him, speaking generally, that the episcopal sur plus funds were already applicable to the same purposes as the funds arising (coin the deans and chapters surplus re venues, and that wherever cathedral funds were applicable to parochial purpese+ episcopal funds were likewise so ap. plied. So for as the abstract proposition conveyed by the reso lution was concerned, therefore, he was not deposed to con tradict it. But he must own that it appeared to him as ii, practically speaking, the resolution was intended to affirm the contrary of the Bisnop of London's statement. lle (Lord J. ltussell) had no doubt that the hon. member fur Cocker. mouths intended a useful purpose in bringing for ward his resolutions, but he regretted that the hon. mem ber should have mixed tip in his remarks the Bishop of Durham , as if that prelate bad done something in contravention of the act of parliament, which it as unust to ert r even to insinuate had been the case. Ho was u nwilli ng to a s gree to the resolution proposed by the hon.. me mb r, for ho did not know to what the government or the house would stand pledge I, if it were carried. As he (Lord J. Rensell) understood the right hon. member far Northampton, what was elesired was to divert the whole amount of heal the surplus funds to the exclusive purpose of providing fur parochial spiritual destitution, Ravines none whatever for additional episcopal endowments. The hon. member for Oxford, on the °thee hand, was of opinion that it was desirble to unite the surplus episcopal funds with the surplus cathedral revenues, and to Cam one common stock applicable alike to parochial spiritual purposes and to the increase of inadequately endowed bishoprics lie alwals listened with pleasure to the opinions ex pressed by the hon. membo - for Oxford (Mr. W. I'. Wood), rend in the present c use he seemed to think that there might be instances in which the endowment of additional bishoprics would be us. ful to the church. That was his (Lord .1. Rus sell's.) own view of the subject. He was bound to say, that, eensidering the constitution ot the Church of Eastland, and the value of the episcopacy as reefer& d seperintenclence and parochial spiritual extension, be would be most unwilling to agree to a resolution by which a veto was placed on any luture extension of the number of bishops. (Hear.) That', was one strong reason fur not voting in favour of the reselu. tion. The hon. member for Oaford stated tha - . an immediate advantage would be gained by the house agreeing in the re. &elution, which advantage was, that a bill to cerry it out I would be brought in awl passed. But nothing would be gained, according to the views entertained by the hon ourable member, for even cow some of the bishops' in comes were below the fixed standard, and if the sue plus episcopal funds were not applied to make good those deficiencies, these bishoprics mutt remain ie. their present state or else the funds to complete them must be obtained from other sources. lie had already stated that he saw no reason why soy surplus arising from episcopal revenues bilouldmt be applied to the purpose of pare cnial spiritual destitution. There had existed some reasons when the changes were fired made in the affairs of the church why the bishops: incomes should nut be alienated from that lady, but there were no termer any grounds for separating the two surplus funds. But he had been asked by the hon. member for Oxford if the government was prepared to bring in a bill for the purpese of amalgamating the episcopal and cathedral funds. When the present Archbishop of Canter bury was appointed, he (I. it'd J. Russell) previously re quested th t prelate to inform him whether he was willing to t eke charge of that see upon condition of being bound by an subsequent act of parliament by which the income of the see would be a re: tricted to a certain sum, the surplus to be applied to such church purposes as parliament should de termine upon. The archbishop stated that he was willing to submit to those conditions. Li stating these facts, he must ob serve, that he had thought proper to refer to whatever sum might be allowed by act of parliament as a proper income for the archbishop. Ile did not state, as the hon. member for Man chc'ter had supposed, that he (Lord J. Bevan) was going to propose the sum of 15,000 f. as a proper income for the see, but that that sum had been r llutttd to it under the ex isting act of parliament. The Lon. member for Coekermouth had so oederhtood him, and had expressed himself sreisfied on that paint. The archbishop had only recently taken possession of his see. There were many things which had occurred to him (Lord J. Russell) with reference to church matters, which required consideration. lie bad, therefore, asked the archbishop to allow him to have an interview with him, and he was unwilling to express any opinion whatever on the subject of legislation in the matter, until lie had ..o opportunity of consulting a prelate, so distinguished for his piety and his ability, and who, from his experience in go verning a very populous see, would be able to afford him most judicious and beneficial advice. (Rear.) He hoped that when the hon. member for Manchester next sddressed the house on the subject now under consideration, he would do so in a more kindly spirit--(hear)—and that he would practice towards those who as churchmen followed what they deemed their duty that toleration which had been so largely extended to all classes of dissenters. (Hear.) Mr. HUME denied that his hon. friend, the member for Manchester had deserved the rebuke of the noble lord. It appeared to him that the object sought to be attained, by perpetuating the enormous incomes of the bishops, was to maintain the church as a political engine. No question had created greater dissatisfaction among di.- eenters than the proposition of the noble lord at the head of the government on this subject. He trusted that that would be a lesson to guide the noble lord's conduct on the present motion. lie (Mr. Fiume) also ejected to the recent ap pointment to colonial bishoprics. The persons sprinted had carried out with them the dominant habits of their church, and hail created much disunion and heart-burning in their colonial sees. lie should support the hon. member for Cockermouth, and he trusted that his hon. friend would not be induced to withdraw his motion. Lord H. VANE vindicated the conduct of the Bishop of Durham. That right rev. prelate had applied a great portion of his inet eased income in auementing the salaries of poor curates in populous districts within his diocese. Sir J. JOHNSTONE opposed the motion. Mr. HORSMAN replied. Ile was glad to hear the noble lord at the head of the government promise that the atten tion of government would be turned to the subject mat ter of his motion, and he hoped that among other things they would ace whether means could not be de vised of providing for the retirement of prelates whose age and infirmities rendered them incom- I petent to the discharge of their caiscopal duties. On the immediate question before the house he would ask any hon. member whether, if he were filling a public situation to which was allotted a certain income, sect he found that by some mistake he was receiving three or four times that sum, he would consider himself justifie el in continuing to receive the overplus ? The right rev. prelates who were so acting did more injury to the church than the moat active machina tions of her enemies could effect. If they were actuated by a proper zeal for the interests of religion, they would hand over the surplus—a surplus, onieeover. which they received through their own mistake—to the ecclesiastical commission, ler the augmentation of small benefice... lie was satisfied with the assurance that the subject would be speedily taken in hand by her Majesty's government, and begged leave to withdraw his motion. Motion by leave withdrawn. PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND). Col. DUNNE moved for Returns, showing the amount of all monies expended under the act 9 & 10 worts ea ch ying the rams laid out o I r e l an d, number of s barony of each county in und er takener- by the authority of the Board of Works; together with copies of any reports which determined the board in o tthhee selection esofti such se eks in preference to others proposed. Als original mate for such work, and whether it was sufficient for Its completion, and if not, whether any and what sums were subsequently applied for and granted, and by whom was such application made; also the amount of such *UT or PIMP, and whether they were found sufficient for the final completion of these works. Also what and how many deviations from the original lines, or alteratioes from the original pleased construction, were made in each work, and any adilnal expense caused hy such deviations and attendees, and sums claimed by damages caused by them. Also, all rosins claimed for damages for works , undertaken under this act, the amount given in the certificates of the valuators of the Board o ort f Worof tk he present s for mob work, and amount awarded by juiies. for its Also, a rep condition of each work, ant est imate of sum necessary completion, particularising the public routs and extent of 'squats done to them. Also, returns of the names, pay, and allowances of Jill persons employed on the general staff under the Board o f Works, and what other situations they held at the some time. oi all engineers, pay clerks, overseers, cheek clerks, and other offt cers employed on each work, and the children employed able-bodied workmen and dl pa y persons, women, and children employed on ouch works, I their pay per diem, and number of days worked; also, of all horses, mules, and asses employed on each work, the hire per diem, and number of days they were employed, and whether tsek.work was adopted, and, if so, the wages given and work completed on such work s, A d, of the cost and description of all tools issued to the workmen on each work, the date of their issue, and of Bede,commence ment of each work, and, if eold, what sum wan receiv and if any were sold without being issued ; also the amount and value of stones, now broken, and where. The hon. and gallant member complained that out of the large sum which had been granted for public works in Ire land a vas e t proportion bad been absorbed in the expenses of the sta ff , d a very small fraction on works of any real public utility. He thought that wh ile the landed pro. rietors of Ireland were exerting them selves in the cause of Paw and order, they should at host get an account of the disposal of money,for the repayment of which they were held accountable. Sir P. NUGENT seconded the motion, and trusted that it would receive the favourable attention of government. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was not in the power of government to accede to the motion, not because they were unwilling to furnish all the information required, but because in this instance it would be impoasible to give it without very great expense, delay, and inconve nience ; indeed it was doubtful whether it could be given at all. With regard to many poste involved in the motion, as been removed from the lands when they wan unwell, and he offered many of them money to enable them t f r om the elsewhere. The boa. gentleman read statements under-sheriff and his agent corroborative of what he men tioned to tbe house. Mr. SCROPE said that the hon. gentleman's statement was confined to one or two cases. lie wished to ask him how many houses had been thrown down and how many persons had been ejected altogether ? Mr. ST. GEOROE said he confined his statement to the only charges mad: against himself. (Bear, heu.) Re was not able to answer the hon. gtntleman's question at that moment. ENCUMBERED T ENANT STATES RILLS . AND LANDLORD AND the number of clerks, dte., that information had already been given • but to furnish relieve for the whole of Irelend of all She details called for by the hon. end gallant member would .megm,„y thMtgand pOUIIdiWOUId occupy many months in preparation, and would be of no practical use when supplied. WWI regard to any particular cue or district, the govern ment mania be happy to furnish whatever information might bs required. Mr. lIUME thoug ht it by n o means unreasonable that Ike people of Ireland , when called on to repay the money, should know bow it had been e x p ended. This was m• re smeary when it had been declared in a court of law tnat Col. bases had been in the habit ef sigaing blank cheques, con • trary to the atioulations of the we of parliament. He, there fore, should lik e to be informed as to the mode in which the accounts had been audited. The atco CulnlAtsNhCill.L.LtOblettonfmthade eE.XpC4ciallßoVaEßairr.rettlniedef that the Board of Work. , but b y an officer specially sent easel for the purpose. Wi•h regard to the allusion which had been made toJones, it was perfectly true that the act of parliament required that all cheques for the payment of money should be signed by two commissioners; and he believed it was also true — t h ou gh he by no means defended the practice — th at 1 Col. Jones, having . frequently to leave Dubin, had on some Ito hosted CASiODS stetted the cheques in blank, leavine them Ito be filled up by . one of the other commissioners, who would, of amin, add h is signature. Mr. B. OSBORNE, though he considered that the money multi not have bei n worse laid out, yet, u charity covered a multitude of sins, they ought not now to be too critical on the subject. Mr. F. FRENCH bore testimony to the ability, integrity, industry, and temper displayed by Colonel Jones throughout the whole dile' Fadeout duties, and he believed the commis- I sinners generiely had discharged their duties efficiently. Mr. REYNOLDS, on lo king over the papers which were already on the table, found that much of the information celled for by the hon. and gallant member's motion was in their hands. No one, however, could think it unreasona ble, considering the extent of the money which had been expended, and which the people of Ireland were to be called upon to repsy, that some account of the mode in which it had been disbursed should be demanded. With regard to the effect of the air of Ireland in converting men of business into bunglers, he took it fur granted that the hon. member for Middlcsee 'as a great authority. (Laughter.) But he suppose d it was owing to the presumed superiority of British intellect, that English. men or Scotchmen were at the head of all the principal de earthy eats in the Irish government—(hear, hear)--from the Lord Lieutenant down to the poor-law commission. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that when it was complained that the money expended in the relief works had not object well hid out, it appeared to be forgotten that the object welt which they had been undertaken was not to construct great public works, bat to keep the people from starving. (Hear, hoar.) Oa coming ieto office the present government leund that, from the failure of the harvest, there was great I danger of the people perishing for want of food during the I winter, and it was their butiness to devise mesas for keeping them alive. They accordingly consulted with Lord Bess , borough and others who were practically acquainted with Ireland, and the result was that a bill was framed and passed which he believed had answered the object in view. He would go further, and admit that though that act was ' framed with the best intentions, and though it had bees effe•eual in keeping the people alive, it was sot perhass the 1 beat measure in all respects that could have been devised. The emergency was, however, extremely pressing and ad mitted hot of delay, and the passing of that measure rhowed at all events that parliament and the govern= nt were ready to make immediate exertions to meet the want. (llear.) It was easy to criticise after the event, but the object was one well worthy the parliament and govern ment of this country—(hear, hear) —and was to a great extent answered by the ceurse which had been taken. With regaid to the employment of Englishmen and Scotch men in the public offices in Ireland, the hon. gentleman who made a charge against the government in this respect, should remember that the first appointment made by the present government was that of an Irishman, who had al ways resided a greet part of every year in Ireland, to the high office of Lord-Lieutenaut ; and when they were de prived of his valuable services by death, and thought it nece•sary to recommend an English nobleman to succeed him, they appointed an Irishman to the office of chief secretary— (bear, hear,—and the reward they got was, that that right hon. gentleman's election to parliament met with the strongest opposition. They had also ream mn nded an Irishman ter the Irish Chancellorship, and ea Iri,heastt and a Roman catholic for the °lace of Under Secre tary fur Ireland. But if it was to be the rule that in each part of tee kingdom the natives of that place only were to he employed by the government, it might be complained here that Irishmen were employed in the police and other branches of the public service, and that an Irishman was at the head of the army. He hoped, however, that this com plaint would not be repeated, the object of government being to do justice to all parts ot the United Kingdom. Dr. BOWRINO complained that no edequate audit was instituted of the expenditure of public money in Ireland. In this ease, as in all others, the audit came too late—after the mischief was done. Major BLACKALL thought it important that informa tion as to the state of the works, the money expended, and the number of able-bodied and of decrepit persons employed on them, should be given, in order to show that it was the fault of the act that so little work bail been done for the money. A distinction should be drawn between money upended in charity and that laid out in uselesi works against the will of these who would have to reply it. Col, DUNNE urged the necessity of a portion of the re turns fur which he had moved. The accounts had been audited by act of parliament in a lump. He wished to throw so imputation on Colonel Jones, but every one must admit that the business of the board of works had beta conducted in a slovenly manner. It had been thought possible in Ire land to combine useful works with the expenditure of this money, but the representations of himself and others on the subject had been unheeded. He would withdraw his mo tion in confidence that the CHANCLLLOR of the Excite ueete wold give him all the returns that could be obtained. After a u few words from the CHANCELLOR of the Exeren- , (tVEIS the motion was withdrawn. POLISH INDEPENDENCE. Mr. ANSTEY said he should not have thought of press ing the motion of which he had given notice at this late hour but for the importance of the subject. In the present crisis it behoved us to look abroad, to anticipate events, and to prevent that we could not cure. He had no fear of invasion, or of the hostile spirit of the French government; a greater danger was the possibility of undue intervention by our own government in the affairs of hide penieet states. He said this out of no hostility to the noble lord the secretary for foreign affairs; but it was in the power of a single minister to involve the country in treaties which might be fraught with danger to the interests of the state. Under pretext of pacifying the continent, and keeping inva sion from the shores of Ireland, he feared we might be led into an unnatural alliance with the great power of the north. to the rupture of our friendly relations -with France and other powers. He anticipated no serious opposition from any quarur to the address which he should move, praying her Majesty to agree to no new territorial or other arrange ments consequent on the recent important political eveuts in Austria, Poland, and Prussie, which did not recognise and secure to the Polish people their lawful liberties and inde pendence. He could not suppose that the government would oppose such an address, unless they were already committed to the course he deprecated. He should be ready to concur in any measures for the repression of rebellion at home, or the prevention of hostilities abroad. If this was simply a question whether absolutism or const tuionalism was to prevail in Europe, he would not occupy the time of the house; but at such a crisis he deemed it oppor tune to call attention to a subject of deep importance. The treaty of Vienna, if not now at an end, was impracti cable, perhaps impossible ; it was rent and tore asunder — the territorial arrangement which it established existed no longer. The destruction of Polish independence had brou brought ht this about; and it was now prfectly totorious treaty of Vienna could no longer be appealed to in support of existing territorial arrangements. It would be impossible for her Majesty to avoid becoming a party to some new treaty for preserving the smaller states of Europe, and for securing the peace of this country. There was the same daeger now as in 1815 to be provided against—the threat ened aggrandisement of the northern powers. If our neglect of Poland in 1830 was excused from the distance of the scene of action this objection no longer existed ; for the countries surrounding Poland had no longer an interest in oppressing her, and her shattered fragments would soon become re-united. The government were bound to take' care that the great duty, which they abandoned long ago, of vindicating the rights of t he weak a g ainst the strong, should not he entirely disregarded in the present aspect of the political world. Mr. OSBORNE seconded the motion ; but he thought it right to remark that he believed there were not sufficient members in the house to do justice to the question. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and 31 members only being present the house adjourned at a quarter to twelve o'clock. ANOTHER DEPUTXTION OF THE WORKING MEN OF MANCHESTRIt, being the third, waited yesterday upon the mayor and magistrates, at the Town-hall. These men came up from one of the anion test houses, where they were em ployed to break stoner. The deputation consisted of four, escorted by all the working men of the stone yard, who ranged themselves in something like military order before the hall, whilst the deputation went in. The deputation were received by the mayor and Mr. Maude (stipendiary magistrate) ; and Capt. Willis, superintendent of police, WAS present. One of the deputation said he had a wife and air children, and was paid for breaking stones in the stone yard 6s. per week. Out of this be hat to pay 2s. per week for rent, not to mention fire and newsier+, things not calculated to fill their stomachs. He had at that time existed more ts , an a week upon one meal a day of thin porridge only. He corn . lained that for this scanty sum he had to work in the stone-yard five days a week, twelve hours per day, and the l eas t neglect was visited with a deduction. lie thought this was very hard usage; they could not seek out for new or better employment upon that system, and he said what they wanted oy was that the working men ix the stone. yard should be allowed half of each day to seek fresh employ. meat in, not only as a matter of justice to themselves, but as relief to the parish. The other workmen of the depot*. tim rude similar statements.—Mr. Maude explained to the deputation that the money given them was notes wages u , des. titute a condition as themselves, and it was a delicate duty for the guardians to lay out the money so as to satisfy one party and do justice to the others. He assured them the magistrates deeply sympathised with their condition. The deputation said all they wanted was the opportunity to bet ter themselves.—The mayor promised that this view of their case should be laid belore the guardians of the union . —They then withdrew. ELECTION COM MlTTEE.—Yeiresu ODMIN.—As on the preceding gay, the coma ..... were wholly engaged in de' hearing eri nee • " bribery charged against Mr. Lacy. the erprews. MAILS. The mails foe Vign, Oporto, Madeira, Cadiz, ead c iatow will be made up en the morning of the 7th dog. The overhand clorall Marseille., to the Medit Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, Hung-Kong,Sc, wig be matlerr al v t erenung of the 7W ApnL The mails for Britith North Amer..,it and the I:tatel aw e . will be roue up en the erening of the 7th AptiL The West India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Namani lie Honduras, New °awn, Vera (tn., Tampico, and Pond itior7Z including those for Madeira, Jaetnel, Carthamari, Santa m a th, p.m', West Coast of South America, and ht. Jutgwai: Niearaptii, will be made up on the evenir.g of the 17,h April. The overland mails toe Gibrottur, Male, (ireece, the lai,ahlahad, Beene, Aden, Ceylon, India, Ilona-Kong, and C1.,,,,i aio d aa d a it: ton, will be nude op on the morning of the 20th Aprils The mails for New South Watts, Van iheman's Land, end Zealand will be made up ou the evening of the 30th ApriL The marls for the West CAM of Africa and Madeira leal be Bai t up on the evening of the 30th April. The mat's de the Brazils, the River Plate, Monte video, Penns. boot, P.,bie, Madeira, and Beet. , .‘yrrA, Will be Made eo se 2 4 'Vetting 01 the 4th May. NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS. The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of% Stamp.office, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS was 3,447,009 This we believe, is within eight cents per ot the nand* issued This, the Morning flerna, Til lorsitny hronicle, mg dlolineldifioto:,v,ALttel'yovlerie r. mulct to the DAILY NEWS. .3lornin9 l'aper, there were issued for the Leona,/ Eddies, THE EXPRESS 778,714 Which was more, we belie ve, than wore issued te the Globe or Standard , Evening Papers. TO CORRE4PONDENTs. Aderniwnuaa he.... 4 raw The Experts: Lain. p.m ee t e be et the claim, O. llereenb.teeet. by Ter. select at the 4.1,ni peebegi., man WATER AT LO•DON TEIS Oki-Ilonalng. o .1.1.. 2; AAarnn 9 mi.. 0.; To. vr—illoma433l ma past 3; ARVIN.. LONDON,IVEDNESDAY,APRILS. A MOItE sensible, a more courageous, a more noble answer was never given by minister or sovereign to insidious petitioners, than M. LansirrtNE mane al Month} , to Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN and the Kish der. tation. When we recollect how monarchs, with ill their boasted chivalry of sentiment, have behaved sad do behave on similar occasions ; when we remember the conduct of Louts XVI. to the Americans iandieluen we see before our eyes the language of the Xing of l'ausslA to the Sleswigers, we must sac that the Foreign Minister of the French Provisional Govern ment has shown an example of honesty, frankness, and disinterestedness, in international policy, of which there are few examples in kingly history. M. LAM IRTINE is no petty or local politician. His views of history, as of politics, have ever been large, Empires and their fortunes, great men and great philanthropic aims, interest him. He has no sympathy for the petty advocate or the dull squire, who seek to earn illustration and renown, by set ting up their own district as a kingdom, and cents. eating the unity and greatness of empires for the sake of fostering the vanities of local coteries or small men. England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain—such are the units, which a genius like that of L.AMARTINE loves to contemplate. He knows that the British empire hes been mere than any of them the cradle, and the protector, sad the developer of liberty, as well as the source from which most of the great, the moral, and civilising ideas of modern times have sprung. This has been owing to the greatness, the power, and unity of the empire. And if Ireland and liishmeo have cacti. bated, as they have mainly contributed, to this musd bright deeds and glorious inventions, he knows that the Irish have done this as Englishmen, speaking the English tongue, associating with the English and the English mind, and enjoying those liberties and advan tages which English institutions and English political education alone in the world have hitherto be. stowed. M. LAMAUTINE is too great and too high. regarding a man to wish for the destruction or dis memberment of that British empire so long the nay eye and planet of Europe, and by whose blinding or eclipse, Europe might even now be once more in volved in darkness. M. LANIARTIER'S answer was what we expected from him as a man and as a statesman, although we must own we feared to see another tone assumed by a member of the French Provisional Government. We regret to see that government, as a whole, es week, and so unable even to follow up and execute ifs own unanimous and solemn resolutions. That of e civic guard is an example. The esniblish ' ment of one was determined, and has not been acted upon. It was also fully decided that the acquisition of the railroads should be left to the consideration of the future assembly ; but M. G.ir,stre PAGES has again revived the idea, and once more seeks to terrify the companies. We are not indeed inclined to be severe st hostile even to the more democratic members of the Provisional Government. We believe that even they would be glad to back out of the terrible embarrassments which beset them, and that if feasible means could be offered them for getting rid of mob dictation they would grasp them. But they can scarcely do other than they arc doing — that is, strive to content the people till the meeting of the National Assembly, and seek to render that assembly really republican, in order to avoid civil war and reaction. But as we said before, and cannot too often repeat, a government under the dictation of a mob of °pert tivcs, or of men pretending to be operatives, is in possible. Common sense, national pride, self-defenx, will rebel against it. And that a populace, the constituting itself dictatorial, will be put down, enn though it numbered half a million, is inevitable. U persuasion and address, good feeling and prem• ment, will not do it, the armed citizens should attempt it. For, if they do not, the military will infallibly undertake it ; and, if they do so, it may be for their own profit, and not for that of citizen or civilian- We should sincerely regret any 'such contingency. The Parisian populace have now been masters for five weeks, yet we have not heard of any crimes, of ' bloodshed, or of rapine, except in a few instances. And we doubt if any capital could be laid at the mercy of its lower classes with so few bad or fearful consequences. We do hope, therefore, that the eon ing assembly may,notwithstanding the threats uttered against it, acquire au ascendancy, and exercise it with a courage, equal to the terrible crisis. At all events we have reason to congratulate or selves on the tone taken by M. LAMARTINE, both in Irish and in Belgian politica. That minister wales, a s doubt, no more prevent M. GREGOIRE'S legion from entering Belgium, than he could prevent the flocking of certain self-constituted French emissaries thorn Dub lin. The French governme nt has been b at accident and circumstances, and obeys their terrible impose and necessity. But that the successfulmard section chose LAMARTINE forits mouthpiece tpbuturl both France and Europe have reason to rejoice. Montt than a passing paragraph in the missal , peons department of our journal appears to be &eV the contrast drawn by a correspondent of the 41110_ nreum between the salaries al l o wed for the 6111111 services of scientific men, and the remuneratioa by the government to messengers and doorkeeria The subject of economy in the public expendttele occupying, and being still likely to occupy, a large share of attention, the facts that out literary cooler, porary has put forward demand the consideratille all who would aid in bringing about that 6000 reform which is admitted on all hands to he urgently required. We are likely to find the most valuable data for the work of retrenchme et in those glaring disproportions between the sa. portance and the emolument of such offices as the. whose salaries form the materials for the contrast 10 which we have alluded. When we find duties of en humble and ordinary kind paid for at a much higbe t rate than occuations involving the necessity for the l o ftiest intellectual attainments, we may conc lude that the latter are most inadequately rewarded, or that the former are allowed to reap the undeserved fruits 01 gross extravagance. Injustice to one class of servat?ll has either been practised, or an excess o f ge nerostY has been shown to another class, whose emplern,S do not seem to demand any much higher capael,_tl than is required from the generality of mere meleoll' . It is really disgraceful to the country that its pea Mary estimate of science and literature should be ele higher, and, in some instances, even lower, than value it sets on the ability t o o p en a door or to delive a message. The doorkeeper of the House of . 01: mona receives no lees than bl , li. a year, whileta astronomer royal, a British Museum, h annum . We rn! j parliamentary ani place as porter, m a superior statiT in " marble halls" fr a ternity, and that subordinate recervj bathe suggest' ist of Bala door -keeper of the a year, and a lows hundred a year m legislative chambe dred per annum. probably pet forme at leftist (0 these thi to the qu''sttott, Will not permit hit the honesty to dec on the other hand, year goes literally becomes a collude vagantly °Ng:rpm( guineas by way 0 , com pensate. exorbitant saline and mes , engen by perceiving seience and lei engaged on be assistant tuitronc cisely the same p notes of the Hunt in-chief has nearl niarily on a fool the principal fool note delivery cos in mere salaries no doubt entente( hundredbwariet;op eet i t et c od h ait e r t ni : ati o tthr nol sefd i tti an t.hanr y oht d onehfe i r,d b r y til an ems sl : cau axes sed aroofmtirtmseohonnernec. flounce A.bm il ocyt 1:7 1 0, e. chairs, B;rr ult thirds of the su the chair of pro Military Aca hundred and 5 of a most imp voting men are try, is in the pounds per al rendered uscfu striking proof remuneration adjustment, gi but taking fro gains, is urges We perceiv SELLha s roi. assestt reduction THE new nt remarkable ar deed so libera Quarterly hat of postscript !J a paper at thi porters would up a war pan on armies. 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