The Express. — London, England, 1851-07-09 00:00:00

,----_ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORI/S.—TUESDAY, JILT E. The Lose Cu ancaLeos emit his seat at ho &desk. PETITIONS PRESENTED. WllllOOl. GIYOPOWDZII STOW RNMOVAL BUZ.— By the Nal of HAILHOWIIIf, from landowners In Len. whirs, naiad this bill. Couery Covers.--By Lard BROUGHAM, Bum the Society kr the Protestlea of Tyree, is favour of the unre els. of Wishner", Yeradidlett to seedy sourts. Ake from solicits" at Tfirdsedier,and a plena is Dernekire, is fa ir" dike szteadon of impitaltio jet/Wien= to county coerce in Which they meted that a person mild not go into Chessoil with a side involvbsg bin than LOOM. but his , noble sad Isesseed Mend behind him (Lad Lyndhurst), said that after what he boil resontly seen, he would not go into Chancery in a matter hayfields; less than 10,0001. ATTORNIES CANTAM D SOLICI M TORS BILL ' REGULATION AENDENT The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved the seeped reading of this bill. In asking that the sme privileges be graatiod to attornies educated at the Queen's colleges is Ire lead, as they had when educated in English cols t ar noble marquis took occasion to coogratulate the the success of the Irish colleges. Lord MONTEAI,LE 'spewed the same feeling, and condemned the revolutions of the synod of Thurles which .had been se much disapproved of that they had not yet been forwarded to Rome. The bill was then read a second time. EXPENSES OF PROSECUTIONS BILL. On the motion of Lord CSANWORTU, this bill was read a third time and peened. APPREN'T'ICES TO SEA SERVICE (IRELAND) (No. 2) BILL This bill was read • third time and passed. LODGING HOUSE BILL The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved the second read ing of this bill. Their lordships had passed a bill pro viding accommodation for the migratory poor population, and the object of this bill was to provide for innate wants in the stationary population. Their lordships had but little idea of the filth, wretchedness, and disease which existed among the lower celeits in this metropolis, and in various parts of the country. Ile would direct their attention to a report presented to the Statistical Society in 1812, at the lastance of his noble friend the Earl of Ilarrowby, being the Truitt of an inspection of the parish of St. George's, Hanover-square, and from whish it appeared that the fa milies inspected were 1,485, and the total number of rooms were 2,174. There were 929 of those families having but one room for the whole family; 418 hail but two rooms; 91 had three rooms; 17 had four morns • only 1 had seven MOMS ; and only 1 had eight moots. lf such was the state of things in St. George's, Hanover-square, what must it be in Shoreiliteh, St, Luke's, anti St. Gilm's ? (Hear, hear.) But there was nothing said in this return about the many butanes-a, of which he had personal experience, in which two, ur three, or four families might be found in one room. It said nothing of the contamination which all this pro- duced—the unhealthy atmosphere, the want of water, and everything necessary for the health, comfort, and decency of the inhabitants. (Hear, hear.) But there were also pen . tilcotial spits in some of the most beautiful districts of England. He would nut weary their lordships by going • very fully into details, but would select out, or two in stances. And first he would take the village of Mileham, in Norfolk, with reference to which an inspector sent by . the Bourel of Health said It contains 532 inhabitants ; during the prevalence of the late epidemic regularly about one-filth of the inhabitants were attacked, and the deaths in one month were 3.8 per cent. of the whole population. Un examining the patients whose lives had been spared, I found them, with scarcely an reception, in a state of great physical prostration. Four or live years previously the vil lage woo afflicted with typhus, and the same houses were recently attacked, and only about five weeks before my in squiry influenea was an prevalent as to seize almost univer sall man and beast." But that was nothing with a town in iorfolk, called Nonlelph, of which the otheial inspector said There is no kind of drainage in the place, the houses are small, unventilated, dark, damp, and dilapi dated. The floors are of brick, uneven, broken, and full of cavities; the roofs abounding with holes. The rooms 'are inconvenient, cerafurtless, and filthy in the extreme.. -Pigsties and privies in the vilest condition are situated' within a few feet of bed places, in which I saw many pa tients in cholera lying enveloped in the disgusting easels from the surroundiog ahominatione. 'there were 52 men or ehol,r4 among a population of 150." Wes not thots estraordinary state of things ? Why if such had beim the raw ill this metropolis there would have hcen 700,000 liavang at some length entered into further statistical details the wade lord went on to say, that it was to provide a remedy for the state of thing, to which he had been ailed fog, that ho ventured to introduce this bill, which was founded on ii principle which their lordships had al ready recognised, reganling the baths and wash-houses, which had been pnelective of such beneficial effects. (Hear, hear.) 'the bill was merely permissive, and not compulsory. The local authorities+ might adopt its provi sion, if they thought fit. The bill was also founded on another principle, and one too of considerable importance. Institutions such as he programl should he reveled were allege thee remunerative. 'lhey would pay both the prin cipal and interest of the money expended. Ile might give one illustration. 'foie metropolitan emaciation (or improv ing the dwellings of the labouring chimes, of which he had the honour to be chairman, had formed some years ago, and hail pmeeeded on the assumption that it was of no use to improve the domiciliary condition of the poor unless it appeared that they would be remunerative—unless the refl• vie were brought to depend en their own exertions. 1 her bail mistrusted a greet variety of houses. They hail trica almost every devcription of dwellings, from the single house up to the vast building where forty or fifty families could he acconinuelated, and in no instance had they laded in getting the income to cover the outlay. 'they had es pended on the building, improvement, and adaptation of dwellings 23,000/., and the net return from thi., deducting all incidental expenses, averaged sit per cent., being on the new buildings five and a half per cent., and on the old once twelve percent. The charges in the society's holgieg-husses at Westminster were below those which were made at the must wretched of those abodes where many of the poor dept together in one room, In the [MK` of houses cons atrisenal for families, three and sometimes four rooms, with every accommodation fur decency and comfort, with a con stant supply of good water, the charge was nut enure than was male for a single room in the most dis gusting and filthy neighbourhoods. It had been said that the people would not be able to pay the rents of , them improved ludging-houses. Ile thought he could Oho. , that they would be able to pay even an ineriimed rent. were such iseiveiary, in the case of the improved dwelling,. A working man lost, upon an average, in these crowded and unhealthy localities, to days in the year by infirmities, and taking the wage at Is. bd. a day, here wan ells. which might he saved by the comforts of a good dwellin,,••. Parties had came and assured him that their health wra greatly improved since they went to the new lodging-houses, and the result generally, in this nopect, Ira. of the most gratifying charac ter. They could not have a leiter proof of that result than in the fact that when the cholera had been raging in Churchtane, and had been carrying off its tens and twenties rim day, nut a single CAW of cholera or sickness hail occurred in these new lodging-houses, which were as near Church-lane as he (the Earl of Shaftesbury) was then to the wooleack. The same statement held good reverting all the improved lodging-houses. There was every guard provided in the bill against abuse. The opera nen of the act was to be limited in the brat instance to parishes of not less than 10,000 permits. The parish au thorities. on the requisition of any ten ratepayers, were to call a meeting to consider whether the act should be adopted. When the act was adopted, the vestry or town council were to appoint camrsiseimur, to carry out its pro villioue. No perom neeiving paroehial relief was to he re ceived as tenants of these lodging-henna, in order that no eleemosynary character might attach to them. It was de @indite to guard against the lodging-houses;oming into use too suddenly, for in all such matters the greatest cau tion was desirable. They had, however, the guarantee that if in the first one or two instances they did nut pay, they would not be carried further. Ilia lordship concluded by moving the second reading of the bill. The Marquis of NOISMANIST and Lonl KINNAIRD ex pressul their satisfaction that this bill had been brought before the house by Lord Shaftesbury. The Earl of 11:11t1tOWBV am:Rested that when bills we're brought in for the construction of new and magnificent streets, Can should be taken that provisions were in serted in them for the erection of bodging-houses fur the populetion displaced by the new streets. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was not desirous to say anything in support of the bill, which spoke for itself. He approved its limited application in the Hist instance, and he Isal an doubt that the example set by the large towns would ultimately lead to the general adoption of the system. He thought, too, that Lord Itarrosiby'e suggestion was meet velosible, and their lordships would do well to bear it in mind when bills fur constructing large streets came before their notice. After a few words from the Earl of Saarresso air, the motion was agreed to. Their lordships adjourned shortly before seven o'clock. whit& Mat oeuntry was gsvorned, —. the on to say that ho believed the two =sea Imola have doss much to restore the eassitey bad the government come forward with the bills whisk dew peoniped when they took office, had they done, what he Wined Lord Bashosough would have done had he lived and ramairwl b dim They hail abandoned their pledges so tar as attempts to realise them were concerned. But the people were gone, the people were going. He asked them in the name of constitutional right, in the name of civilisation, in the name of a merciful God, were they prepared to stimulate a system which he again said had de populated the country ? Mr. HANCHELL said the honourable and learned gen tlemen had alleged that the effect of the clause was to enable landlords in Ireland to clear their estates. Now, although a tenant from year to year held the land only at the will of the landlosd, he was entitled to a notice, and that arrangement of the law was not sought to be disturbed by this bill. It had nothing at all to do with the question of title or with tenants, who were prepared to abide by their contracts. The clause only provided that in case a tenant from year to year should owe • year's rent, and would not pay it, the land lord should be at liberty to resort to a proceeding to com pel the tenant to pay that rent. (Hear.) In conlexgqneace of the present state of the law the landlord wee compelled to serve his tenants with notices half-yearly, not for the purpose of getting rid of the tenants, but to enable the landlord to recover the rent. Yosemite* waa the coddition on which the rent was to be paid, bat if gentlemen said that the tenant was to bold possession and pay no rent, then he hail no more to say. Mr. WHITESIDE said, unquestionably this bill was open to the objections taken by the hon. and learned mem ber for Dundalk. It was partial, patch-work legislation. There was now a court in Ireland which was rapidly trans ferring the land to new proprietors, and therefore he con sidered the present time favourable for the introduction of a comprehensive measure to amend the law of landlord and tenant in Ireland. Although he objected to this clause being in this bill, yet he did not disapprove of the clause of itself, and he could not therefore vote against it. Mr. REYNOLDS contended that this was a landlord's clause, the landlord having already the same power the trader had ofrreperting to the Civil Bills Court, awl the power submitted - • --, gentleman generOus and friendly government should take a step which that power might cousider a hostile one. CHANCERY REFORM. Viscount PALMERSTON, at the bar, then presented to the he WNI her Majesty's gracious answer to the address of the lima e wed on the 28th of June, by Mr. J. Stuart, praying bar Majesty to add two lay members to the Chan cery Cormaission. He had to inform the how that her Majesty bad given directions accordingly. SPIRITUAL DESTITUTION. Viscount PALMERSTON also presented to the house her Majesty's gracious reply to the address moved by the Marquis of Blandford, praying " that she will be graciously pleased to take into her consideration the state of spiritual destitution existing throughout England and Wales ; with a view that her Majesty may be pleased to direct the adop tion of such measures as she may deem expedient, fur affording more efficient relief to the spiritual wants of the people, and for an extension of the parochial system corre sponding to the growth of a rapidly increasing population by the help which may be drawn from the resources of the established church itself." Her Majesty had commanded him (Viscount Palmerston) to inform the house that the attention of her government had previously been directed to the best means of rendering the resources of the estab lished church available for affording the most efficient means of spiritual instruction to the people of this country, and that they might be assured of her Majesty's cordial concurrence in the adoption of a well-considered measure for promoting this important object. ATIOItNEI S' CERTIFICATE DUTY. Lord R. GROSVENOR, after presenting the petitions noticed above, moved fur leave to introduce a bill the NM as that of last year, which he said had gone through all its stages but two, for the purpose of repealing the atternen solicitors, and proctors' annual certificate duty. Last year,he had stated at some length the origin, nature, and °per:Watt of this tax. He had shown to the house that it had every vice in principle which a tax could possibly have, and that its operation was in consequence partial and oppressive. And he had great reason to believe that the house had been satisfied with his arguments. It would be most unwise and impolitic in the Chancellor of the Exchequer to oppose this motion, as the house would no doubt adhere to its former judgment. But so little did he desire to em barrass his • hon. friend in - way, that if he go; was received with _..... and derisivC peals of laughter, the assemblage regarding the reading of the oath as a very capital joke. (Laughter.) Now, on that ho founded one of his arguments, because by secret voting the suborner was entirely at the mercy of the suborned. (Hear, 'leer.) By the operation of the ballot there would be east into the shade four distinct events. First, whether the elector purchased would vote for the purchaser ; second, whether he would vote for the opponent of his purchaser; third, whether the elector purchased by an opponent may ' not split between both • and fourth, whether he might not decline to vote at all. ([tear, hear.) Ile (Mr. Berkeley) had by him the opinions of several professional gentlemen accustomed to conduct elections, and their testimony dis tinctly proved that by the adoption of the ballot intimida• thin would be effectually checked in large constituencies, though doubtless in small ones it might still exist. Intimi dation once destroyed, he (Mr. Berkeley) would be con tented to let bribery take its chance, knowing that the system of secret voting would soon rectify the abuse. ((fear, hear.) By intimidation he meant the threats of ex clusive dealing, withdrawal of custom, ejectment of tenants, and all that state of affairs; and such intimidation was to be (mind coupled with bribery iu the cases of the Falkirk Burghs and Bath elections. Ile (Mr. Berkeley) observed that his noble friend Lord Duncan (as was under stood) presented a numerously signed petition that evening on the question from Bath. The house would remember that an hon. friend of his the member for Birmingham in formed them that at the last Birmingham election, upwards of 1,000 electors abstained front voting through intimida tion ; now he was in a position to corroborate that assertion in the case of Bath. Ile wrote to a friend in that city, who took part in the late election, requesting an analysis of the votes. The account he received was this—" No bcerhouses were open ; the few cases of direct intimidation were the exception, not the rule. On the register there were 3,130 electors ' of whom 2,1.50 only went to the poll. There were polled for Scobell, 1,110; and fur his opponent, 1,010. There were unpolled 879. of whom' ,10 had died or quitted the city; 200 (conservatives) were out of town; 00 ra dicals refused to vote, and 30 Roman eathulies also declined to vote, leaving to be accounted for 449, who would have voted fur Scobell, but that their doing so would be their ruin. (Hear, hear.) They dared not do so ; or, if ' did, they might as well greatest novelty, being , person tered the house. (Laughter.) lie had declined to canvass the three thousand electors of Bath, consi dering the office of canvassing not merely unnecessary but degrading. (Hear, hear.) He took the more open course of meeting the electors in their several wards, and having had the fullest opportunity of judging, both in his own person and from the statements of others, he could de chary that great intimidation was used at the recent election in the city which he had the honour to represent, and he was convinced that the ballot was the only means of pre venting the evil. (Hear, hear.) It was no new thing to him to hear electors declare in • whisper that they could not vote as they wished to do; and considering what had come to his knowledge within the last three weeks, he could not, as an honest man and a faithful representative. ihstain from declaring, on the first occasion on which he had ma opportunity of addressing the house, his conviction of the justice, the expediency, and the necessity of sheltering men in the exercise of a right which the constitution gave them. (Hear, hear.) It was trifling with the population of the country to place in its hands the right of electing representatives and not to give them the means of using that right independently. (Hear, hear.) The petition to which he had alluded drew atten tion to the hardship under which his constitutiency, in com mon with others, now laboured, and stated that many of the electors had been intimidated from giving their votes by threats of ruin to their families. Ile (Capt. Scobell) would add his voice to that of other hon. members who hail urged the government to concede the necessary reforms At once, and not to withhold them until they were compelled to yield. lie hoped the government would take care to make their reform bill of next year a generous one; rememliering in the first place that if they made cone salons little by little they would not be thanked for them, and in the next, that as soon as the people had obtained the little, they would strive to get more. (Loud cries of "Divide.") Mr. S. CRAWk*OILD rose to speak, but, being met with reiterated calls for a division, he resumed his seat. The house then divided. For the motion Against it 6O-37 The announcement elicited loud cheers. IRISH POOlt. Mr. SCULLY moved; " That, in order to lighten the rate in Ireland, it is -‘. during - the famine period. (Hear, hear.) In one 'thing, however, he (NIT. Laboueliere) with all other parties agreed. This was in the sympathy which universally prevailed for the unfortunate sufferers, and iu the desire that every means should be adopted to ameliorate their sad condition. Al. though he hail, while proposing measures of relief in 1846, stated that he felt doubtful of their propriety, still when he ' considered that it was necessary to interfere to prevent a frightful loss of life, all objections had vanished from his mind. Sir D. NORREYS distrusted the object with which the motion was made, and could not diwonnect the hon. mem ber (Mr. Scully) front several of the boards of guardians in Ireland, whom he represented. Mr. SCULLY assured the house that in the motion be had submitted to the house he had no desire to interfere with the free labour market. The house divided: For the motion 42 Against Mr. FRENVEN moved for a copy of a letter, dated the 29th of May, Mil, addressed to the Lonls Con tttt i‘sioncn of her Majesty's Treasury by Dr. D. H. Reid, and oh., of the protest accompanying it, in reference to proceedings connected with the new Houses of Parliament. The motion was agreed to. Mr. BANKES postponed his motion in reference to the case of witnesses in the St. Albans election who had with drawn from these kingdoms, until Thursday neat. Colonel THOXIPSON, in the absence of Lord Dudley Stuart, moved for a return of all claims for compensation made under the act 12 & 13 Vic., c. 101, s. 17 ; also of all claims granted under the said act • also of stay coinpen mations not made or suspended, or only partially paid, on account of the claimants being appointed to any public office or employment ; the names and occupations of the several claimants to be also stated. et distress. He Sagnitted to the right lion. b the Attorney-General that this clause should be expunged. He was told this bill cortained some valuable clauses: be believed it did, but he should be prepared to do what be could to prevent the passing of the bill, unless this einem were expunged. Mr. Will FEMIDE said he opposed this clause before be cause he thought it misapplied in the bill. Mr. MOORE said he should oppose the clause unless the amendment of the hon. member for Dundalk were agreed to. Mr. J. O'CONNELL said he thought the tendency of the legislation of that house ought to be to induce the land leeds to give leases to their tenants. He did not expect that it would ever be his fortune to address the house again, and he regretted to have to remind them of broken promises and pledges unfulfilled. Mr. ROEBUCK said he wanted to know what theywere about. As far as he understood it, when a tenant held under a lease, a lan lion' in Ireland had the power of eject ment, and it was proposed that in case of tenant from year to year, it the tenant was a year in arrear of his rent, the landlord should have the same summary process. It was a question whether an arrear of rent of one year should not be equivalent to a six months' notice. Now he could very well understand that putting out a man who was in arrear seas the highest possible injustice, but if a man were in arrear a whole year's rent he did not see, fur the honest and fair protection of the man, that anything more was re quired. lie entreated the ght honourable gentleman the Attorney-General to deal with this matter in a systematic manner. If they were to deal with procedure, let them have procedure only ; and when they were deal ing with the substance of the law, let them have the sub stance of the law only. Mr. ROCHE said it was impossible to discuss this ques tion properly without going into the general state of Ire land. One of the greatest evils of that country no doubt was the unsatisfactory state of the law of landlord arid tenant. But this was an attempt to legislate so as to in crease the power of the landlords; and he contended that it was unfair to introduce a clause having such an effect in sash a bill. The decrease in the population of Ireland was in a great measure owing to evictions ; the proof of which Was in the fact that it was in the rural iliatricts that the de right hon. _ any would only give him to understand that, next year, if the income tax were grouted, and no unfore seen circumstances arose to make it impossible, be would repeal this duty, he (Lord It. Grosvenor) would be contented simply to lay the bill on the table, or even nut to do so much. If he could not have that assurance from the right. hon. gentleman it would be his duty to make the motion of which he bad given notice. Thc motiou being seconded, The CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER said it was his painful duty to resist the motion. It would be far more agreeable to him if he could remit all the taxes, if he could say yes to all the numerous deputations who came to Down ing-street asking for money in one shape or other. (Laugh ter.) But, unfortunately, it was his duty to resist those applications which he did not think were founded on sound principles, or for the good of the public credit. He had already carried through the house, to its last stage, the financial proposal for the year. Some had reproached him for not allowing a sufficient margin iii the course of the present year; and the bun. member for Bucks had brought forward a motion declaring that no reduction whatever of taxes ought to take place, and that no further revenue should he sacrificed. He could not suppose that the gentlemen who supported that motion could possibly agree to the motion of his noble friend. Ile hail felt it his duty to stand by the proposal he had made to the house; it would have been exceedingly unfortunate had he withdrawn from the country the boon piomised in the early part of the ses sion; he was therefore bound to resist this motion. He would put it to hon. gentlemen on his own side of the house, whether, in their opinion, this was the first tax of which they should claim the repeal. Ile had reserved but a very moderate surplus after .repealim; the window duty, about 300,0001.; and, at present, they knew not what claims might be made upon them for the cost of the Kaffir war. Would it, then, be wise in him to promise, or in the house, to pledge itself, to sacrifice 120,0001. a-year in this tax, looking at the circumstances which might occur? If, in the course of next year, there should be a considerable surplus, and the house was prepared to maintain the income-tux as it stood, then he would take into consideration whit other taxes should be reduced or modified. Until they knew what would be the • income and expenditure for next „ if they retire from business. Yet this was the systeniof election that was sought to be perpetuated because of its working so well. (hear, hear.) Above all, he asked for the bal lot as being the greatest boon that could be bestowed on the agricultural constituencies, as at the present mo ment the right of the tenant farmer to vote was a mere nullity. (Hear, hear.) For better would it be if on the great estates the steward of the lord of the manor were to send in a list of the votes to the sheriff with the name of the favoured candidate attached—(hoar, hear)—because it would save the tenant farmers the trouble of riding to the market town to tell an unblushing falsehood. (Bear, hear.) Ile (Mr. Berkeley) professed himself interested fur the tenant farmers of England, nod though he felt it to be his duty to object to their being earolledeitherassoldiers or constables—not being sufficiently drilled far either ser vice—yet, he should say, a better drilled set of electors there could not be found in Europe. (” Hear, hear," and laughter.) In his opinion the evidence that came before the committee of that house in 183.3 should form the vade mecum of hon. members ; and he was then prepared to say that the state of slavery and tyranny which was proved to exist in 183.3 continued to flourish as vigorously in the present year. As a sample, he would quote the occurrences at a late election fur South Nottinghamshire, as they ap peared in the Tunes. He quoted front that paper because it had a bias against him on the present subject. It went on to speak of the result of the election, and said, " the result astonishes everybody that, in the midst of the most aristocratic county of England, with the landlords banded together in support of their nominee, the scion of a noble house, with ample possessions, should he defeated by a plain country gentleman, a retired solicitor, with scarcely an acre ; it appears truly marvellous, and can only be accounted for by the fact of the leases of the occupiers of land for the last two years render ing them indifferent whether they be expelled their home steads or not." (Hear, hear.) Ile would conclude by making an appeal to the noble lord on this subject. The noble lord stool pledged to further parliamentary reform. He (Mr. 11. Berkeley) felt grateful to the noble lord for that pledge, but he would beg of him to turn his attention to the consideration of this great and important point. Mr. Grote, when he was • member of severe pressure of poor's rate is Ireland, it is expedient to facilitate by every means the employment of the inmates of workhouses in reproductive labour, so as to make these es tablishments, :so far as possible, self-supporting; and that it is the duty of the Poor Law Commissioner to see so de sirable an object fully carried out." 'rhc hon. member said there were then 250,000 inmates of work houses in Ireland, whose state bordered on de moralisation for want of reproductive employment. Except in the workhouse the poor could get no employment at all, and had no resource but emigration. And when they were employed there it was in breaking stones, picking uakum, or turning mills, not to make their labour produc tive, but merely to keep them from The result was this, that they lost all self-respect, and the burden of their support was thrown permanently on the rates. In all the workhouses the number of paupers was increasing. If the boards of guardians themselves took up the subject of reproductive labour, they were met by technical objec tions by the commissioners which altogether prevented them carrying out their object. He thought the inmates might in many cases be employed in agricultural works to the advantage of themselves, the ratepayers, and the country generally, if the boards were allowed to take laud for that purpose and employ instructors. Mr. O'FLAILEItTY seconded the motion. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said the poor law commissioners were desirous that the inmates of workhouses in Ireland should at all times be fully employed and the chil dren instructed, but it was a very different thing to carry the produce of pauper labour into the market to compute with the free labour of the independent labourer or citizen. The inmates of the workhouse were provided at the public expense with food, lodging, and clothes, and it would be impossible for the labourer out of doors who had to keep himself by the produce of his labour to stand against such a competition, and the result must be, that the number of paupers would be increased. In many of the workhouses a great portion, if not all the goods, used by the inmates were manufactured by themselves, and that was no doubt a legitimate way of employing pauper labour, but to employ it in getting up large stocks of manufactured goods to enter into competition with the produce of tree labour, would be to r •-•nt a sy stem which must tend to the On the motion of Mr. CLEMENTR, certain correspondence was ordered between the Lords of the Treasury and the Irish Poor Law Commissioners respecting the expenditure of the rate-in-aid. The Mercantile Marine Act Amendment Bill was read a second time. The report of the Committee of Supply an. brought up. COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION HILL The CLIANCELLOIt of the EXCIIIiCI e lilt gated his intention of moving the committee on the above bill om Tuesday, at the 12 o'clock sitting. The house adjourned ut a quarter-past 12 o'clock. PAIRS.-sir J. B. East paired against Lord J. Russell's amendments with Mr. C. L. G. Berkeley for. Colonel L. Wetkin* paired with Mr. Corhally from July 4 till Thurs day evening the 10th.—Mr. liorsman paired off in favour of Mr. Ilerkele•y's motion on the ballot, with Sir John l'ak. ington against. Colonel Ereestun in favour, with Mr. Wm. Lockhart against. Mr. Grantley Berkeley for, with Lord Guernsey against. Admiral Berkeley for, with Col. Vyse against. Admiral Dundas for, with Mr. Mouton against. Colonel Chatterton against, with Mr. M'Gregor for.—Mr. Iluiehins in favour, with Mr. Philip Miles against.—Lord Alexander Lennox with Lord George Paget, in favour of the repeal of the atornies' certificate duty, and against the ballot. Mr. W. Wilson in favour of Lord It. Orosvenor's motion for repealing the attornies certificate duty, with Mr. Bass against. Mr. Halsey for, with Mr. It. G. Townley against. Mr. Went was accidentally shut out from the division on the Beelesistical Titles 13111 on Friday last. Mr. Humphrey Brown was prevented voting in favour of Lord Grosvenor's motion, by being shut out on tho probable year, it would be unwise and injudicious to pledge them selves to sacrifice 120,0001. lie hoped the house would not agree to repeal this tax, either in the present year or the next, till they saw what was their financial position, and until it was known whether the income tax was to be re newed or not. After a few words front Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR, The house divided— For the motion Against it 132-30 Leave was accordingly given to bring in tho bill. THE BALLOT. Mr. H. BERKELEY ruse to move for leave to bring in " a bill for the protection of the parliamentary electors of Great Britain and Ireland, by taking the votes by way of ballot." After alluding to the importance of the measure which he was about to advocate, he observed that a struggle had long been going on between the aristocracy and the people, in which the political bully went forth to trample on all the constitutional rights of the etc. tors. lie wished to perauade the noble lord at the beau of the government that, without protection to the voter, no measure of reform would give satisfaction to the people, or would be otherwise than a nullity. (Hear, hear.) If the noble lord did not include the ballot in his proposed measure of reform, he might extend the constituencies, but the action of open voting would contract them; he might increase the number of electors, but with it he would increase the arena of in- timidation. Of what use would be any parliamentary re form to the tenantry of great estates, or to the tradesmen of cities throughout England—of which the metropolis was • striking exampleataless the house afforded to that class of voters protection against landlords and cus tomers ? When the noble lord proposed an electoral reform without that great measure he undertook to cure a disease in our electoral system, while ho was content to leave • can cer gnawing at its vitals. There never was a moment when it more behoved the members of that house to confer with their constituents, and to raise an agitation throughout the country on this subject, in order that the people might not be defrauded of this great boon. In reply to the remark of Lord J. Russell, that the present system worked well, lie asked how a system could be said to work well which deterred one-third of the electors from recording their votes; which gave to certain peers the power of returning 9$ members of that house by direct inter ference, and coerced agricultural voters into an elec toral Hock of sheep? The hon. members were sent to that house by the free and independent will of the elec tors and without coercion, what evil change could the ballot produce ? It had no power in itself to coerce the electors ; but as the electors did not give their votes freely and independently, the change to the ballot would be most beneficial, unless the house was prepared to say openly that intimidation and corruption should be encouraged. (Hear.) But they dared not assert such in that house. (Hear.) There was not a man in England who did not know that opposition to the ballot arose from the disinclination of the peers to grant to the people the necessary protection in vot ing, because they thought that by doing so, they would be putting the axe to the root of their own power. (Hear, hear.) lie invited the opponents of the measure to explain to him why it was that an English man was not protected alike in all his rights? why should be not be protected in his capacity of parliamentary elector? (Hear, hear.) If • man purchased a carriage or a horse, and paid taxes, he was free to drive or ride where he pleased, and was protected. If a man purchased a house or a freehold, and paid taxes, he obtained the right to vote e condition that he should not sell it for place. Another proof was in the fact that there are sew 206,000 houses less in Ireland than there week 1641. Mr. bl. O'PERRALL objected to the clause, on the =that it was out of glue. It ought never to have been iectl in a bill having the object which this bill prat-nisi to have, which was to amend the law with regard be insolvent debtors. Ile also objected to the clause because, while it increased the landlord's power, it gave no neespensation to the tenant. He believed the tenants of Weed were honest, and if the house would give them set Weint bill to regulate their relations with their IMAM& they would be content. Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he had heard with surprise the speech of his right hon. friend. The bill really did nothing but consolidate and amend the existing law. The only question the house had to consider was, whether striking tout the words as proposed would improve the bill. All he could say was, that his motive was to improve the social position of the people of Ireland generally, ad more particularly to improve the relations of lounged Yd lament. Ile thought the clause as it now stud wee • tenant's clause, and friendly to the tenants. He believed ft would benefit both landlord and tenant. They had it in evidence, that even in the north of Ireland where the relations of landlord and tenant were more sans. factory, it was the custom when they gave a receipt for rent to append to it a notice to quit. He was never more certain of any thing than that, if t h ey this clause, they would improve the relation of laa , peed d tenant in Ireland. Mr. ROEBUCK said the right hon. gentleman said this was a most important subject. if so, why was it that the right hon. gentleman did nut bring in a bill to deal with it, and not in a bill professing to regulate procedure introduce • clause which altered the substance of the law. Mr. S. CRAWFORD objected to this clause because whatever might bewail to the contrary, it was a clause to extend the landlord's power, and that without relieving the tenant in any way. lie also objected to it as bring a discouragement to the granting of leases. It was the want of security that caused tho people to emigrate. It was his intention early next session to bring in a compre lhensive bill un the subject. I The committee then divided— For the amendment Against it The committee again divided on the question that the clause be agreed to, when the numbers were— For the clause Against it The remaining clauses and the schedules were then agreed to, and the bill passed through committee. The house teen resumed, and adjourned at a quarter past 3 until a quarter past 5. The house resumed at a quarter past five o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. ATTORNEYS . CERTIFICATE DUTT.—By Lord It. GROS VENOR, from Wolverhampton, Warwick, Tipperary, Southampton, and other places ; Mr. COWAN, from the Society of Solicitors in the Supreme Court of Scotland ; Mr. CLAY, from the solicitors at Hull; Mr. HENRY, from attorneys and solicitors at Manchester Mr. BREM RIDGE, front the solicitors of South Melton; Sir G. STRICKLAND, from Preston; Mr. MORRIS, from the attorneys of Cammeslen ; Mr. GRENVILLE BERKE.. LEY, from the solicitors of Cheltenham; SirW.CODRINCie TON, from the attorneys of Newnhant ; Mr. BLAIR, from the solicitors of Bolton ; Mr. HORNBY from the solicitors of Blackburn: • Sir W. OALLW EY, from the solicitors of _ .., adopt. _..—voragetnent of maamfactures in Ireland. There was every disposition, so far as industrial employment in the work houses was concerned, to encourage it, and he thought the house would ) well to leave the matter in the hands of the that house, thought that ibis protection of the ballot was necessary. He (Mr. Berkeley) did not know how many members might vote with him on the present occasion, but he knew that 150 members voted with Mr. Grote. Amongst those who supported the ballot were many men bearing great names, and men remarkable for their talent and wisdom. He might mention one hearing the venerated name of Romilly—one in whom were combined great talents and high position, who was greatly beloved and unboundedly popular. (Hear, bear.) Ile was supported on this subject by her Majesty's Attorney-General, than whom no man was better acquainted with the working of the electoral system. (Hear, hear.) He was also sup ported by the learned Solicitor-General, whose sound judg ment and eloquence went hand in hand, and whose brilliant defence of this question could not easily he forgotten when it was before discussed in that house. (Hear, hear.) lie might strengthen his views by referring also to ancient legal authorities. He asked the noble lord to re consider the question fur the sake of the peo ple of England. If the noble lord made a pledge that he would consider the subject he (Mr. Berkeley) would withdraw his motion, and he was sure his friends would approve that course. (Hear, hear.) If the noble lord would give no such pledge then he must ask for leave to bring iu a bill to give the protection of the ballot to the parliamentary electors of Great Britain and Ireland—that protection which would enable them properly to discharge a solemn duty and an important right. (Cheers.) Mr. ELLIS seconded the motion. It had been his lot to witness a good deal of the working of the present electoral system, and he had opportunities of knowing the extensive intimidation and coercion that was employed against farmers and other persons. Ile did not wish to make any party charge, fur the remark applied to both sides. (Hear, is ur.) His honourable friend who made the motion belonged to a proud aristocratic line, and therefore the more honour was due to bins fur appearing as the advocate of the mea sure. lie did not believe there could be any independence where there were only 200 or 300 electors. (Hear.) The question having been put, Mr. HUME said that he heard with great satisfaction the speech of his hon. friend (Mr. Berkeley), which appeared to him to be unanswerable. lie could not understand how any man, wishing to govern a free and independent people, could hesitate to support the motion of his hon. friend. and to afford protection to the weak in the exercise of a right to which they were entitled. (Hear, hear.) He unfortunately lost the opportunity he had of bringing for ward his motion on parliamentary reform, and therefore he was obliged to give notice that he would bring it forward as au amendment to the metien of his honourable friend. But he had since considered that their object was the same, and though he believed that the country required more than was proposed by his hon. friend, he should be sorry to interfere with any propo sition by which that house was to be made the constitu tional organ to represent the wishes and feelings of the people at large. No man knew better than the noble lord what was done to the people of this country. The noble lord many years ago had pointed out what the people of this country required. And now that he bad the power, he wished he would show his sincerity by carrying out that which he professed when he had not the power. He wanted the noble lord to fulfil the sentiments he put forward in 1832, when be declared that the time had arrived when the people of England would not allow the members of the blouse of Commons to be the nominees of individuals. The noble lord had reserved two questions at the time of the Reform Bill—vote by ballot and triennial MR. GEORGE THOMPSON, M.P. TO THE EDITOR OP TIIE DAILY NEWS. Sir,—Permit me, through the columns of your journal, to take the earliest °ppm tunity and the most effi cient means of announcing to the electors and non-electors, of the Tower Hamlets that I yesterday reached London, after an absence of eight months spent in the United States and Canada. . . Mr. E. B. ROCHE spoke in support of the motion, con tending that the subject was one which ought to be settled by the house, and not left to the commissioners ; though he admitted it would not be safe to carry the principle out to the full extent proposed by his hon. friend. If his sugges tion to apply some of the money advanced on loan to Ire land to the cultivation and manufacture of flax in Ireland had been carried out every man in the coun try might have found employment. It was not by shutting up a part of the population, and setting it to compete with the community out of doors, that the pressure of pauperism was to be. relieved ; hut by encourag ing the development of the natural capabilities of the country. He hoped the hon. member fur Tipperary would not divide upon the motion. Mr. P. SCROPE contended that the rules of sound poli tical economy ought to be carried out in Ireland, and that the paupers of that country should he employed in use ful, and not useless, labour. The subject was so painful and distasteful, that he would not detain the house from pro ceeding to a division. Sir J. WALSH thought the motion a very reasonable one, and the objection of the Secretary fur Ireland to it a mere hypercritical one. Colonel DUNNE was of opinion that the principle of the hon. member for Tipperary's motion was essential to the carrying out of any poor law whatever in Ireland. After a few words from Col. Thompson, Sir L. O'Brien, Mr. S. Crawford, and Lord C. Hamilton, Mr. J. WILSON thought there was nothing about which they ought to be more jealous than the rights of the indepen dent labourer; for if they brought into competition with him any large amount of pauper labour whatever relief they might expect to gain in the support of the latter would be more than counterbalanced by withdrawing from the former the labour upon which he hail previously subsisted. He was aware that the proposition before the house was popular in Ire land—(cheers)—for it was looked on as a short cut to the remedy ; but he must remind them that short cuts were often the longest route to the desired point. (licer.) Ai the principle had proved a lamentable failure in Eng land, in Ireland, in Flanders, and in Holland, he hoped the house would hesitate to give their assent to one of the most delusive and dangerous doctrines that it could sanc tion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. H. HERBERT congratulated the country on hear ing the hon. gentleman's admission that the plan adopted and persevered in, against remonstrances, warnings, and prophecies, and even against common sense, was a failure. (Hear.) Had something like the English poor law been adopted, thousands now dead would have been alive, and hundreds who had lost their estates would have been able to retain them. After a few words from Mr. WILSOX and Lord NAAR, Sir H. W. BARRON said it was most desirable to encou rage manufactures of a certain description. In the union with which he was connected, no less than 17 trades were carried on in the workhouse. The inmates made all their own clothing, male and female, and made the furniture re quired. The great advantage was in the improved moral feeling which had been thus excited ; when the paupers left the workhouse they turned their industrial training to ac count, and earned their own livelihood. Training masters were employed in the different trades at considerable sala ries : ‘‘vertheless, the union found a saving in this course. My stay abroad haying been protracted much beyond tb• brief period which I. had assigned for my visit. I Wave been prevented thus fur from attending the sittiago of parliament during the present session.. •• . . . Having returned to my duties in the House of Commons, I am moat anxious to meet my constituents, that I may fully explain to them the circumstances in which I have been placed, and the course which I have thought it right in those circumstances to pursue. This I mill do either at an aggregate meeting or in district meetings, as may be deemed most advisable. On the shores of a distant country, and amongst a great and free people, I have been the humble but sincere advo cate of the principles on which I was elected to parliament. I return more ardently than ever the devoted friend of progress, and of peaceable and wholesome reform; and whether the reasons I shall be able to give be held sufficient to justify a temporary suspension of my duties at home or not, 1 shall not be the less Zealous in that cause, nor less so licitous to advance the just rights and interests of that great constituency through whose independent votes and exer tions I was elected to the honourable position which lat pre►ent occupy. I am, sir, your obedient servant, GEO. THOMPSON. House of Commons, July 9th, 1831. ROYAL COLLEGE. OF SURGEONS.—The following gentlemen having undergone the necessary examinationa, were admitted members of the college on the 7th inst.:— Messrs. W. Hurd, Valparaiso, South America; G. S. D. Harris, Blackhall, Sevenoaks; C. F. Lewis, Pimlico; L. H. J. Ilayne ' R.N. ; W. H. Carter, Chichester • E. P. Gamble, Corls; T. Peete,:Margate ; S. C. Townsend, Cole ridge, Devon ; G. Bull, Lewes ; and F. J. Money, O'Mara, Kent. At the same meeting of the court Mr. W. W. Wildey passed his examination as naval surgeon. LANDED AND OTHER REAL PROPERTY.—liester• day Mr. Rainy delivered a lecture at Willis's-rooms, King street, St. James's, on the present legal system of convey ancing and effecting sales by public auction and private contract. The lecturer commenced by drawing attention to the fret that a very large amount of property was disposed of every year according to the present system of transfer and his ('Mr. ltainy's) object was to point out how this purpose might be effected at a much smaller cost, both to the buyers and the sellers. The estimated amount of pro perty in this country was 4,000 millions sterling, inde pendently of our Last India and colonial possessions, and the great question fur consideration was how they might transfer this property from hand to hand with benefit to the public, and without endangering the legal profession, a profession against which ho did not seek to show any feelings of hostility. The present system was not only very expensive, but was often the means of depriving people of a large portion of their just rights; and the proposition he wished to bring - -.1. with a view - -wetly the evils, complained li - d of HOUSE OF COMNIONS.—TUESDAT, JULY 8. The Seamier. took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. TILE NATIONAL LAND COMPANY. Mr. BROTHER TON moved that the order made on the 6th day of June last for the third reading of the National Land Dissolving Bill be discharged; that the bill be re. committed to the former committee, and that they have kayo to sit and proceed with three members on Friday next, at 12 o'clock.—Agreed to. The Lords' Amendments on the following bills were con sidered Standard Restoration Bill, and Midland ltsilway (purehase of Leeds and Bradford Railway, and Inercalw of Catifitekßill. The - !maws. • Think; Sir R. TAPES, from the solicitors of Ottery St. Mary's and Teignmouth ; Mr. WEST, from the solicitors and attorneys of Ruthien ; Mr. MOODY, from two places in Samersetattirc ; Mr. I'ACKE. from attorneys and solici tors of Loughborough; Mr. SANDERS, from the attorneys and solicitors of Wakefield; Col. OILPFN, from Barn money, or place it at the disposition of a peer—but where wu the law to protect him from either altersative ? (Hear, hear.) Yet protec tion wu required by hon. gentlemen, members of the Bank of Euglind, the India House, the Trinity House—all sought protection in secret voting. (Hear, hear.) Even the status of Sir H. Peel could not be erected without resorting to that --•• —.oat parliaments. These were paints of great importance which were now loudly demanded by reformers. The time was now come when they ought to be granted, and the noble lord ought to be the foremost in proposing them to the house. (Bear.) But tor himself he would not be content with these mea sures. The most important measure of reform in his opi extension r' - The ' hon. member 'for Westbury had confouZded this indus trial training with quite a different Ay.tem, when he spoke of the experiment having been ti led. thrice. The fact was he had gut so thoroughly imbued with a certain political dogma, that it entered into his thought on every subject. (Hear, and alaugh.) It was absurd to apply political eco books Corwin', . a view to remedy .. was to this effect—that the only way in which the public could obtain an efficient mode of carrying out anew system of conveyancing was by the appointment of a commission, con sisting of five committeemen, a president, and two vice presidents, and two juniors or assistants, whose business should be to go through a deal of the preliminary bilesienl . an (Glasgow. Garnkirk, and Coat bridge. Pollee and Govan:dm. Railway*, amendment and continuation, Ike.) Bill was rend a third time. The following billsl were considered :—King's College Hospital (No. 2) Bill, and Llyntri Valley, and Darya Llynii, and Purtheawl Railway* Bill. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. ATTORNEYS' CERTITICATEL—p7 Mr. MULLINGS, fain attorneys of Cirencester; Mr. BROADLEY, from attorneys in Yorkshire; Mr. HINDLEY, from attornies in Ashton; Sir G. CLERK, from stable and Leighton Buzzard; Mr. ILLCOX, from Fermium; Mr. TREVOR, from Watford; Mr. GOOCH, from the attorneys and solicitors of Bungay ; Mr. NOWATT, from Pmcot ; Sir J. GRAHAM, from Mr. MUNTZ, from attorneys at Birminitham; Mr. STAFFORD, from Northampton ; Mr. W. J. I.OX, Lord J. MANNERS. Mr. BERESFORD, Mr. HENLEY, C KNOX, Mr. NEWDEOATE, and Sir C. BURRELL, oI, from pines not heard, for the repeal of the duty on attorney's certificates. Tim BicLoT.—By Viscount DUNCAN, from 2,200 in protection ; and in one of the clubs in this metropolis the members were not only admitted—as was the case in all the clubs—but actually espelled by ballot. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) He regretted the absence of the right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary on the present occasion, who previously stated as his rca-on for not tendering his support to the ballot measure, "that the additional public opinion brought to bear on the con duct of elections had such an effect as to render the ballot no longer needed." Now, on that point he could refer the right hon. gentleman fur an answer to the testim on y o f that . . illustrious —' isiOn was the extension of the suffrage. He believed, on the authority of the best and most constitutional lawyers, that every man in this country who paid tales and was called on to perform the duties of the state was entitled to poems the advantage of having a voice in the return of the gamines who were to represent him in that house. (Hear, heir) He was not wedded to any particular mode of ef fecting that object, but at the same time he must have the protection which the ballot could alone give to the voter. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the duration of parliaments, the noble lord hinted that four years would be a good me ply p011...._ nomy learned from . to a country in such a state as was Ireland at the present moment. The system adopted in Holland was no other than a vast system of out-door relief. Here the question was one of re-produc tive employment for those immured within the walls of workhouses. Equally distinct from it was the system in operation in England prior to the enactment of the present poor-law. It was nothing less than misrepresentation to make such comparisons ; it WWI making a very bad use of political economy. (Hear, hear ) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the . great work which would be essential in currying out such opera tions. lie contended that the course he proposed would prove the most efficient means of preventing litigation, and keeping people out of the Court of Chancery and of tho courts of common law. In making this statement ho ventured to express a conviction that if his views were encouraged and supported, an unfettered mode of dealing with landed and other real property wool(' soon be attained, and the value of property would be legitimately improved to the advantage of all classes of the community, whilst it would afford perfect security in - to both _, . regard _ _ _ ___ __ _ __ , . _ _ ____ __ ......on ; ... _ _—....., .__ attorneys of Dover ; Mr. habitants of Bath, il; favour of the ballot. - diem . That would certainly be far better than mien years, hon. baronet had utterly misrepresented the hon. member titles and money, and would render the General ltegistra- HeNRY, front attorneYs in Manchester ;in favour of the RIOICTR A TION or AeStMANCES BILL. By Sir J. bury election. (.. Hear, Lear," and laughter.) lie behaved but in his opinion three years would be much preferable to for Westbury. Probably he had not heard what took place tion Act immediately available. and at the same time pro abolition of the duty on attorneys' certificates. GRAHAM, against this bill. there never was an election contest in which the screw was four years. (Hear, hear.) He supported reform on erono- in the early part of the debate, with reference to the in- vide arrangements against unnecessary exposure and intru- CIVIL BILLS (IRELAND) BI L L . THE CRYSTAL PALACE. so tightly put on the electors as in the ease of th e coo l es t ',lift' grounds. The artirans of England would not : mates of workhouses raising their own food, or he would lion. Mr. Rainy concluded hie lecture (which was listened The house then went into committee on this bill. Mr. THE presented a petition from Joseph Pax. between Mr. Bethel! and Mr. Ferraud at Aylesbury. endure to see those of France and Belgium with • • have seen the bearing of the ar gumen t of the hon. member to with much attention) by d observing that if he could ob- Mr. REYNOLDS asked whether it was intruded that the M setting forth that in designing the e s pi a l Nu m , h e (H em . hear.) Again, there wa s th e e l ec ti on i n t h e F a l - more ex t en d e d su ff rage t h an t h ey themselves pp& i for Westbury._ What would be the effect of the measure tarn the support he require he would devote all his cam , emporation of Dublin should continue to be saddled with quip u much in new the subsequent purposes for kirk Burghs. Doubtless the bon. gentlemen there con- seised. The colonies— th e Cape and Australia—were to proposed ?If it were to have no practical result on the pies of mind and body to a ccomplish the object in view. THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY•ING JULY, 9, 1 the Ranigee poi Or roslabler .. etita litaa 114.41111111-r- Ilf. Ogre toglillos I llowal got tie atogredloa t w plug Nil dla gotiogpoot og% ed to with moo tibia i On ase73ed dawn. whh it Ilk. ICCQLLAI3H lased aa aggigarg what hod sleos mdse. whisk woo to awry dr woods "or seder • tom, hog par to pos." Thew wogs wen t her he F au or wo ghoo. dor gum lavolood •• bolortooad woo pod lod, 00, a pokey pommel by da Moth kao. gaggla the Segotary for Ireland, in whidt be woe skied by Om deal hes. seatkono the AttonmAleneeel for Iveleml. seWh bad mow nogg its climax. MY ploy might bo homed ogleteant policy. Thip didd Ma. gioales 0111 W. SegogIllo) oago mto of olordod Igor glib to onellerato tho gorlitioa g the Wagi la Mimi no had is s.. Mt to, howiregAll kr gort t o r t=th. oggia vowing TM weak Vas lei woad of thdr alga to Is Nal la go lid that wrier gm foga ger id ming id* wog to Sigma leeload-ar he would sit age anion--De nest distinctly open the ergs diel e hau t rwd, tire Voongs fact that two walione ger& gat hod boa Sighlif slorred to dealt et bobbed forli r ie: Ile olomdi ash ahem the &Wish bogus, by calling it emignathon. imigration mean voluntarily plug out to seek alone 'bowler*. But their deal ingw ith framed had changed the werynsesaing of the words exile and hoses; they had made AMA'S the place an Irishman could think of with rasped to lege. _Haring at some length alluded to the - *-st the • -in ism Mans far Ireland as evidence . against way - honourable wei:;, r iliiiESlDE asked the Pint Lied et the Tessa* it was the intention et bee Majesty's gevirmisiest ;e a = measures towards the termenisn of a Massestlmatis Motion in Galway, or say ether Irish port UM I. ILUSSELL could not answer the wedge at the prissat mement. THE LATE CHOLERA VISITATION. Lerd SEYMOUR, in answer to Mr. J. Heim, had le SIM, that the Hoard of Health would have no objection fielphethe " Epidemiological Society"—(a laugh)—any in- Ihreastion in their power relating to epidemical ahem's, but they could not part with the documents they had re ceived, fur they were of use with respect to the sanitary Maas of many districts in this country, besides which they suilalmi private information which had been put into their birilk ken which it might be considered unfair to disclose. (Nor, beer.) DUES ON GOODS PASSING THE SOUND. Lied PALM ERSTON (in reply to a question put by Mr. CLAY) stated that her Majesty:a government had not taken any step to give notice of terminating the agreement of 1841 with Denmark, regulating the dues levied by that state on rods passing the Sound, nor had any communications been entered into between this country and Russia and Prussia for the commutation of these dues; adding that, considering what Denmark had lately suffered, the pree--- he thoug ht , the moment when a , wee no t • • - - . . 4 fe r.i d would cull lay . his hand ea lie Wm% osil deny al ledge of or participation in the et the clatters with w (Laughter.) • Athens, also, the hen. gentleman would p . le was an innocent an suffering man. ( Now, one good of the ballot was this—it Invent any amuse Scot from going to the treed* emoddag electors with whisky, when he could net hit eslisj o lr i t 4 In the neat moment they would not ten esandi we his opponent. (Hear, hear.) WI as pessidga lite house, he would turn fora few Hales to Niel ehlk of political iniquity, St. Albans. He had by his en assenst of the proceedings at the St. Albeit election. Bet on he quoted it, he begged to remind the hese that Englishmen were in the habit of setting themselves np in the eyes of foreign nations as examples of good esoduct, loyalty, mo rality, and all the other virtues. Bet he would give them a sample of the proceedings at Bt. Albans, from the Times of Christmas-day, dated • St. Albans, Christmas-eve," which was as follows .—" The contest commenced at eight o'clock this morning. The scene presentedthroughout the day was anything but calculated to lead to the belief that the disciple of Father Mathew were numerous on the occa sion. Towards (mid-day the state of the streets was aboo lutely.disgusting ; drunken men and women rolling about, or lying in such plateau inebriety selects." (Hear, hear.);Well he would pass from the opening description to the conclu ding scene. Mr. Bell, in addressing the drunken mob, told them that they had " greatly and gloriously distinguished themselves." (Laughter.) Mr. Carden, the defeated can didate, told the electors that "by his &fee he had achieved a victory, because ho had broken down the barriers of fraud and local corruption." lie further said "he was assured, had he put the bribery oath to every man that polled, he might then have his see ; but he refused to do so, not wishing to peril the future happiness of those men who, having taken a bribe, would not hesitate to take the oath asreadily.'l (Hear, hear.) ... indeed, he (Mr. Berkeley) '• ' '` -- oath on the occa- might say that. the iettlitT':f , the , bribery se 4 c. 4 L. - • _ egelve Jerpoteibile litoevhment and representation, and a I imp extension of suffrage had been given to Ireland. The Roble lord must alt in the same way towards the people of ibis imp . (Rear.) What was the present state of the in Reg lad? It appeared from parliamen hy is that Was and some other heroin/its pos- Eentr *ova sip to 200 electors, although the noble bel said at Ow doe of the Reform Bill that no borough have tow - (ban 300. (Hear.) Was this a state of Iliplaigs that could continue ? (Hear.) Again, London, faverpool, Marylcbone, the Tower Hamlets and Finsbury, with 98,000 electors, sent 24 members to that house, whilst 12 boroughs, such as Andover, Thetford, Lymington, and Evesham, with only 3,509 electors, returned the same *amber of members. He was aware of the unwillingness of the house to discuss that question. Why did the benches opposite present such an appearance ? [There were at this moment not more than a dozen members, some of whom were ordinary supporters of the government, sitting on the opposition benches.] The opposition did not care about the voice of the people. Few as the electors were compara tively they might at the next election send a very different body of representatives. He had given notice of his inten tion to more an amendment, but as he was anxious that the division should be a division simply on the ballot—(hear, hear)—and as some of those who would vote for the motion were unfavourable to other objects embraced in his amend ment, he should content himself with supporting the motion before the house. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. WALMSLEY and Captain SCOBELL rose si multaneously, but, there being loud calls fur the new mem ber, the former hen. gentleman gave way. Captain SCOBELL said he could assure the house that he had had no intention of addressing them that evening, hut having had the honour of presenting a petition from the city which he represented, which was numerously signed, and which bore on this subject, ha could not re main silent. lie knew that there could he little novelty with - Perhaps he himself was the that topic. - the 144 rho had Ireemerty Etaitorporatia• hall the which it alight be abed as the immediate obj ect of its Mee, brae the . erection • •„. , that the,lllnuie•eaul ke dee „I„ , _, r""":". i- ••• ", • . •"it to the country. ;nil r. Fa Mis . r 'tb the. titian be ridlel with the votes .LE -4 ' ; it( MIL 1 . 6 4. •.1 •" • ~,,f shoed, . . , to none? this he in ed wiry ro se ikes is any .•r - - . • . attention i sebrl i aa d r.), , _- des of , „, . M mete he ate- II CT, : 1 ELY that it obeyed be left to the tart • / 4 " . helm& awelEween Pointe P ;at all everts the hoe. gen- dale WS • was 1 •1 - man Whist give notice of his motion. { • WWI raseinwfa. Mr. STAFFORD said he would malts his motion to- whisk MI she bees sod, morrow. (Hear.) Memil es eistimassmi. d will* be IRISR TRANSATLANTIC PACKET STATION. . .----. in connexion conduct of the the diseussiun or mere deal principles was melees. If paupers were to he einpl4a In the cultivation ofoorn, this was certainly much the same.. the sy.teni of out-door relief that had prevailed in this country. The hon. gentleman had referred to the results of the late census as proving the abuse of the piddle works. Now, though he regretted to see so fearful a mortality in the population of Ireland —owing to death and distress—yet he thought the house would admit that, by affording relief through the public works, they adopted the best course they could under the circumstances ; and, though they had not been successful to the full extent, yet he doubted not they hail, to a great extent, mitigated death and misery. (Hear, hear.) But the real qucetton beture the house was very different. It was one intended to make a change in the system, as the resolution purported, and to employ the inmates of workhouses in reproductive occupations, so as to make them self•supportiog. lie can• boned hon. gentlemen from Ireland how they adopted such a course. In England, they had been compelled to adopt the workhouse test, so as to prevent parties throwing themselves on the parish who could sustain themselves Shy their own labour. And if they found such to be necessary in England, how much more would not that necessity evidence itself in the cue of Ireland ? Therefore his ad vice was to maintain the workhouse test, to keep the work house labour as distasteful as possible ; but if once they departed from that determination they would find to their cost that in the long run the burthen of taxation would come upon them tenfold, notwithstanding any temporary reduction that might immediately follow on the alteration of the present system. Sir li. W. BARRON explained that he was favourable to the retention of the workhouse test; but he thought it safer to support the inmates by labour than in idleness. Mr. HENLEY said the words of the resolution went no farther than employing labour on reproductive works, and he could not see how by employing that labour the work• house test would be broken down. (Hear, hear.) In the present case if the house divided he should vote in favour of the resolution. Mn LABOUCIIERE said if the poor law commissioners were to turn their attention as to how the inmates of workhouses in Ireland were to be employed, instead of at tending to the workhouse test, the Irish gentlemen would do away with the great principle of the poor laws—. namely, that the labour should be of a stringent nature, so us to ulcer no inducemant to any but tile most necessitous to seek relief iu the workhouse. (Hear, hear.) Ks confessed it was with pain be heard the fearful tale _ which the late census of Ireland narrated. the facts of which were unexampled in modern history: yet he should say it was much easier to criticise the men.. sures taken for the mitigation of that distress just now, when it was passed away, than to devise measures to meet the dreadful circumstances in which Ireland was placed Irv"