The Express. — London, England, 1851-03-22 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 22. 1351. .....- - --.--- - Case ilaw. Ile this bill moderate, smd that it would we- PILOTESTa.IT DFFENCE COMNIITTEE. sous ca :thee pewee : that no oohed .71-..elti he strov e :, into Ctis redm which brouttht into question oreontrrened i lance of a great principle of this .on he who attempted it , ores kn . own . in this country. It wan the ~ . thought . . , . 1 . e .wel ey one newer in thi territories of nen•!her ; that so ta, only aathority Ellie:mien recegnic'el• e Hear, was destroYed• Hear , hear.) The noble ' lord was not the of • tereeen potentate having control over the vent the in of a se etem into the, country . which ww--s--- dietatieu of ow. nower to another sheu:sl be permseted. how, - end eheer.) le would be riled to see the fird who had attempted such a thing • but he hod olio biehoas here in this country, by which men% they the Homan catholics them:seine would deplore. (Ilear.) O n Th„e,dar Lord Ashley, accompanied by a (]lsar.) Any int . /NC-nee. of that kind we. en %Nene •by noble isled Irmo to insert a !ere 'r pec.ouble. Ile wished rerated the attemPt: "nd it was quite clear ' that the noble ie turn would here a temporal contr i over the pr,:perte of There u. 11.4 one view of this caw winds liad occurred to him on deputeton of no il ' emen and se iitiernso, presented the fol -01., ott,„,t sw.r,ittm e....r.5a mac.. and by the law h i en ~,, mat , i n e ,... me t e nsp;mtie Isueunge the coneti- lord was already destroyed. (Cheere.) 11, was not the certain inhabitants of this kingdom. (Hear, hear.) The various oetmeions and circumstances, which, with some ee- t oe j oie l:dare:ls to Ina Maj e sty .g{,in,,t the ~Rgres,,jun (A . the of ta.t:osts y ass were. 'retitled VI resiet and ve ,,,_ tu , i , mt .. pe. „ l:4 , . w hee t I, 4is ietion wes bawd, to point first M ; ini , ter of tree crown. His admini•teetion wee not in gnestion wes, did the e:uetri law interfere for any tieoplir.d luctanee, he preeented to the house . Ile addressed parti- p o p e , and the tract in in innovatelll , isitely introduced tutu wet e. , e i a „t i t, s wum ., te e ll , we d it wo od d i ...2,1 out te., eacmeehments which had betel made, to Pnd , et administration- his government had no Power : and the no- or spiritual Pureoses whatsoever ? Ewleavouring to mules cularly the Homan catholic gentlemen who repreeeuted the t h e ee reiems of the ch or d, o f E no l oo d , the p. Ace of netioes, and put an end t o all andeehle •aaeiest t:.e.n in th • W 1.14 cermet menner, and M declere ble lord weein this Pe•ition — that be could do nothiag for himself master of the subject as much as he possibly could various elec . sin Ireland. Had it ever (secure/el to them, .. To her Nicest Gracious Niajeety Victoria, by tho grace the Faith : the loyal address of time undersigned lay mom rciati•nis h:w h e tee . (n, a hear: 'Ertel aetion. nut sae:: eietroaelizue.ats were marateestey dsvoentory to the :or against his own opintons. Thes.m.) These dehatee were .in the time. he had lately paid more ettentioa te (evil and for he confeeseil it hail to him, whether this act of aggree- of God of West Britain and ireliumd Queen, Defender of errs of the United Chunei of England mud irtland, wlectle r troteetent or it en catholic, sehethee enlightened tlueen's authority. and contrery to the laws end p r ov e - ' . hut preliminary debates. ._ . F° ,! ' eve r , ' one very well under- ,canon law than was common to his general reading, and ho ohm of the Pope was directed solely against England ? or lee wed, whether teuty sir inns or • super`titinn. , pee dents of ti.e r: rim. and ought not to be allowed to ripen , stood that the moment this tine/lesion was closed there w.ll belh•VVd he sesmke exactly the truth when he emid that Ile was by no means sure that this was net rehire the interfererwe of the Homan pontiff, by mandate in , ' aeace or to °Mehl the sauetion . of time. (elver, Ettl . 9141 to the noble lord ' s administration . (Cheen.) The there was no sPintual functem schat , Onver which could one step towanis appointing thu Roman catholic " Humbly e m. wei b .. Th e t was one of the ways in which the noble . lord . nitenon of the noble lord Wns Jost to get this subjen out of not be performed in this country to some ex. church in England over the Homan eatludie cleireh " That we, the undendiened, have witinweed with the deep. cat indignatem the bout' lataly olfermel to peir Mejoity by wroth: ;wise. with their own laws. 11 th. tot of their has ing bear.) a seas . tutimi t'. A ,r,:iim:nt Vat Diem .ii IA ewe: ;action should dead with th , qaeseion, if he M..ant to give . oriels - the way, The noble lord heed enlisted the lest remnant of teat i" all res Pee" he' a 1/ , 'Mn eas'rei,thlg miiseopal in Irs.land, awl, if that event should (veer, and the Irish the so-coiled upusntheal Mier of the Bishop sa Itome, whir would nut touch the : bigotry in support of a failing tarestem, and tied sustained 4itheet only within a district, as by a pco.on heing t e rritorial should have their priests or bisleips instituted by, the meted WI ths respt.,-; thasslgharl, why diet' th.ssl . cou:stri.. se.mieh lima ti fee people. Ile OD. Waieole) w t meet be dealt with hereefter, in i him hu t . for a moment And bitter were the coneequences, bishop of a dieeele. If that were so and he. hid not heard .of Home at the inetinee of persons at the head Or' the liter- we regard as anned alike against Sour I:ajassty'sasrown and and the civil and religious hbenies of your iiruteatant weee mot teinap:e.l on by despotism Ws re te.tor off tiara order queeen, b uy „ ere , (mar hear .) Th ere f o re he contend:l that if order te !stile praseneetly the relative Position of ,of all this. The noble lord had offended all the literal Irish .it controverted —he had not heard any one gentiemoo n ame . arehical power in this country, then . a greater czdatility d ' icy. the lisfri est ' s. of the law of 'Latium were elloweil to .Ho men eat'aolics Sod pmteetants. Ile here alluded !member.--Offended them beyond any rocull of their alliance. a single spiritual matter which reenired exelwevely a tern. would be inflicted on Ireland them had ever befallen it. ,N,.. c ,.. , eel une,.•.k...i, to gala ground, sad to reeeh their particulerly to synoilieel action, the introduction , Ilehad basulesallenatedalltriose oflus liberal English friends ; tonal bishop, whether administration , or dispensation, or ' (Ilear.) It was, indeed, a remarkable circumstance that, " Happy, by the blessing of God, under your benign sto vcrnnient, we look to your Majesty as the :sole fountain of Imht, the elteet would he that they woukl le: to a worse of the ea-em law, and the inteernosiou end circulation of : who were acceistonled to believe that "_eivil and religious : am: other spiritual dutY: and he humblY invited aimy lion. :up to the present time, within the memory (tf man, no En honour within this realm ,• and we thenfore denounce, as elitism thee tie y were at the ntpre.e [• w' And bulls ; but he entreated the nonle lord to consider the sug- : liberty wes iusenbed on his banner. al ell, then, ; 0 whom , gentleman who was acquainted with the canon lew, and mate had been appointed over the Roman catholies of re arrogant and audacious, the recent act of a foreign priest ti. .; ....41.1 arrive when it would be foend. I neetion . which he he I thrown out with the view of prevent • ' had he now to look for support? By w hom wa s he 1 who might speak after him, to tell him at partieular land except a man nominated by themse ves. Every mune and 'edentate, who, in detienee of your Mejexty's pre - of this change. • erilai , kr- . ine ineiry by anticipatem, and plating protestant% mid ' eheered ? Of whom was his majority to be compiled ? ' spiritual function there was which could hi tulininistend ,' sent by them now had been rejected and another appointed. that in ctn. , syuence aids seetien ..f tee community had been velem-tad from I Iberian s etholim on procbsdr the same o..ting WI hcfnee thi. Why tho noble lord eat on one side and 1,4 the rebel. side by a bishop territorial but not by a bishop limply, and not I He had nothing to say against the eminent iwelate ee- tire , has presumed to panel out your (10111iUitala into ' aggrase , a• It was for tit...re relocate that he intended to 'of the house. (Hear, hear.) Ile (Mr. Roebuck) had seen, presiding over a territoriel diocese. Anil if that was so, lie I lected : he believed him tit for the eituation ; but he the holders thereof with territorial titles tioailing thus the obedient aud leyel mantels to a compact otkluk.diou reuses and dioceses, MI theta with his notnines'S, and invest _ . ' • the crown, the thatch. and the sulee.rt the second reading of the , bill. He believed the. 'in his time, many strange eontraste in that house, but he would say, not touching only the spiritual part of the ease was by no means clear that his appointment had independetlee achieved by our fundathere . ut the glorious ___ . .....__ • amidst the .:' ' had never beheld SW TOSlTSellalll a contrast as that presented but the temporal aloe that it appeatcal collie% elle and A bsurd taken place peen. to consultation leing had with serious lie te reformation, end aspiring at the establishment of a power - and ' -.when the object persons from other parts of the piuntry. (Illar.) ' ' - - • • • • ' " -I in the belief t t ..- - . . . , . . - - -erioels of the niiddlo and t mfederary aramst .... _ __, onis di!otin of LO;.041,11. ((1W0 . ..) With respeit to the any bill would be better than none . . .... deep law of Eaalml, it am.weli known that by the common law. eiteitoner.t which pervaded th country from one end no per-on c ARIA hold inure' , ass: with a furzign power to the other. One thing he could not help sav ' aceept any titl ~ diAnity, employment or reward without and that hu t, that he hoped that whatever bill mirth be the c., no iit ur the croon, and for this (Arians reason, that passed, ernet would prepare to carry it into fors every -tats way entitkil to require the obedience of its own as soon as it became the law of the land. (.. Hear, hear," and subject, ; and no power we. entitled to do anytiiinu which i eheera) To pout law, as they hod immetimel done, and would impair or lesaen that allegiance. Any violation of j leave them unnoticed and disregarded, would be idle and the law in chi, repect wet oni.prion of trt aunt. Now, ' delusive. To %lie a lawyer's expression, it would only be to it we- I: % idtlit to tti. r r one who read the papal documents I Rake themselves see ssories att , ,r the fart, to the very that ttio... who :vied under them were amend .;e for this i offence which they had intended to prohibit. (Hear, hear.) arse. oift nue ;fn the documents, if they wt re tete.' Cat ; Let it always be remembered that it was not by them (the ogni‘ed no prince, awl aeknoarledgesl rotestaat:i tltat relittiou. pe.tee ha , llxen tli.torbed. (Hear.) . . - 1 this ' had between the respective speeches, its these debates, of the' noble lord and the right honourable baronet the member for Ripon. (Cheers.) The right honourable bonnet had spoken from the left, and was linitzcl with the cheers 'of the right. The noble lord, addressing the ht use from the Treasury bench, received all his encouragement, such as it was, from those who sat as the opposition. (Hear. hear.) The noble lord could not but have felt this. Ile could not hut have felt, when he resumNl his seat the pre. Islow evening, that his ancient spirit h a d gone out of him. (Hear, bear.) For he could nut but have seen that his tanner friends were no longer his friend., and that his ancient foes were now hi :only, and they were his hollow, :-. to talk about non-toleratiuna....d persecution, . ohjn wa+ only to resist and prevent inroad+ like this. lie (the Attorney-General) admitted that the dis tinetion was very obvious between the case of this country• and that of Ireland, and that in the case of the hitter country it was a very strong r+ason why the clause should not he apPlied to Ireland. Ile rejoiced that the noble lord (Lord John lhe-•ell) and her Majesty's government had come to the re- I solution to confine the hill to its present shape. Ile had rejoiced when he had learned that such was their in tention, and he rejoiced that they were tarrying that inten tion out. Ile begged to be allowed tolls R kw word+ in re he had stated was the LW, in the matter. ;bow. d that they roro4neies. , te, tan aut4ority. but that which Bowed from a tor, ign miles who tlaimed universal obedience. What they oaghtte 110 in his 'vision was to permit the introduction of sac!' hulls 1111 Vli necessary for the action of the Roman catholic march in this eitir.try.und to prohibit all other. that might bo used for an improper purpooe. (Haw, hear.) Ile tontroded that these imoymoduos were opposed to the nature, character, genius, and NOM of tie col,teUtlep. and that they should not he allowed. Their ten-!:tation was f n u a fd un the notion that no foreign pow..•r bath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction or authority within this realm. The national independence was that which the poop - of this eeuutq bad mesa at heart, and though the church of Borne hadl endeavoured from time to nine to shako: that independence, it was alway• tin: awl always rebuffed by thee inherent •ignur of their fret constitution, and by the unyielding obstinate of successive parliaments. (Hear, Mary Ili. right lion. friend the member for ItiPoe said their aiseesturi Mil not resist papal pretests and that th. y were wiser than we. Ile confessed he was tar wheu h• heard that statement from his right hoo. friend. (Hear. hear.) Ile was surprised that one 1.1 inti mately aequainted with the history of this country should have made such a statement. SUrrly his rig h t 110.1. (rimed might have triced in the whole course of their his tory the attempts at encroaehment on the p.m of Item.- a nd her bishops, and th at these inerachts had always been not, and, with few exceptions, had always been def0,t4.41. hear.l . ; the prates - • had always n opposed in this • Lissy coubi not forget how . and by whom . struggle i,, been commenced. When, firdtatin 4 the e sample of ller inll 4 ; tritons predecessors, her Majesty might till upon them, as she had done in herspeerh from the throne, to vindicate her authority, t.s the best and perhaps the only means of main taining unimpdirs d the nation • ri:diti—(cheers)—and in such a C 411.0, with truth, with honour, with justice on her' side, he was sure her Majesty might confidently challenge the hearts. the obedience, the loyalty of her subjects, when she said to them, as frankly as truly, " I am for a free people, and I trast you are for a free Queen." (Loud cheers.) Mr. I:OEBUCK, who was heard very imperfectly in the gallery, said any one who would appeal to the passions of the people might easily obtain a passing popularity; but he who was accustomed to inquire into the meaning of words had been very much puzzled by the peroration re.- peetimr a free Queen and a free people. (Laughter) What was the nbitive position of the two contending powers ? On the one hand there was a great people, amongst the foremost in the world , w ith a p ower hardly equalled, certainly not surpassed, by that of any nation on the earth. They had a sovereign whom all hearts obeyed, before whom they were proud to kneel. for whom they were ready to die. Was she not a free gut ? On the other side—he ' would begin with the head—there was indeed a foreign prince. But what was he ? As a prince nothing, without power, without an acre of land which he could call his own, • and haying no influence but moral influence. How were they going to deal with that moral influence? By an act supporters. (Cheers.) No nian . could ;witness these regatta I and not snrmw. (Cheers.) He (Mr. Roebuck) had hoped that we had reached a great liberal era, and that religious dissensions and public theological controversies were set at rest by the legislation of 1819. Ite had hoped that the new policy was a stable policy, and that we should have cane on governing this nation with reference simply to the civil and social relations of its eitirens. And, therefore, no doubt, seeing that religious animosities were dying out, and that practical equality had followed upon legislative tolera tion, the attempt of Cardinal Wiseman could only be con sidered as a most unhappy circumstance. Had he but waited a few years he (Mr. Roebuck) believed that Car dinal Wiseman would have aroused no opposition. lie would have aroused no opposition, because his pretences, and they were pretences, would have been treated with quiet indifference. In religious matters two principles !mild alone guide a people; enthusiasm or indifference. Enthusiasm led to mischief; indifference led to Cardinal ' Wiseman. Therefore it was clear that the Pope and Cardi- I nal Wiseman had committed a blunder. But the noble lead had also committed a blunder, and the effects of both were disastrous to society. The whig government had now raised a foul spirit, and we should now see in this country • renewal of all those petty strifes and miserable conten tions which an artificial stimulus could alone have re aroused; and this would go on from year to year; and he believed that the last acts of the noble bird's political life would he in resistance of the results of his own reckless (Hear, hear,' A mischief greater than this . . - Attorney-General) had looked forwiati in the 'belief th, that system which had been the curse of this country and of Ireland up to 18_9—that system of treating Ireland as a conquered country, had ceased, and that we had introduced a new system—that, notwithstanding it had passed through an ordeal of a serious description, yet that there was a dawning of prosperity and an •ippeamnce of relief from great calamities. Ho hoped that nothing would interfere w ith the passing of such useful measure• as might he nms•ary to effect the great object in view; and he believed that the present bill, the object of which was to place the Irish and English bishops on the same footing, tht not to prevent the continuance of that fercnee to what .._ stated was tne em ft was undoubtedly the law that any liability by a per son calling himself Archbishop of Westminster—that any bond or any bill of exchange signed by such n perom, ana any contract entered into by him under such a title, could he enforced against him. No lawyer would di-putt that. He was satisfied also that no lawyer would be found to di-pate this, that a legacy left by will to a person styling himself Archbishop of Westminster would be quit, valid and good. The only thing the court of Chancery would hark to would bu as to who was meant as the Arelifiishop of Westminster. There was no question that the law would operate thus. Nor was there any doubt that it would 1w the same thing as regarded trusts made in favour of the Archbishop of Westminster for the time being. The right hon. baronet the Secretary for the Dome Department had on a former occasion referred tort judgment of Sir E. Sudgen, which had loom cattiest out in a similar manner to 'shot he had described. Ito admitted to this extent, to this only, that the second clause would be included in the first ; if there were any act which woo only proved by reason of the person who performed it being • bishop its territorial ace holding a prohibited title—if it could only be efficiently done by persons holding these titles, then it would he void, and could not Ire founded in, • or enforced in, any civil court. (Hear, hear.) That would ! be prevented by the find clause, and it might to some ex tent interfere with the action of synods, as far as it was necessary for civil courts to du so. (Year, hear.) 4 To no other extent could it have any effect. The law won; of the papal see . ,ountry. (:ardinal Wiseman in his piedunil says `• catholic Kaglaiiel has been restored to its orbit in the seeksiastical Itraiensent. - But, if he referred to history, he would find that the only orbit round which England moved wan that of whit h the crown of England was the foie centre — (dm rs) -and, to adopt the words of IR. Wiseman, the Italy source of jurisdiction, of light and vigeear. - This country was free before Augustin piers& a had on the island, and when Augustin wished tee subs ject the country to Rome he wise uppesed by Ilitolulus, in the name of the Britons. Four hundreel years after ;hut time this country was free from the power of Rome ' • and it was not till the time of the Conqueror, whose hosts had been blessed, and whose Want r• had Mtn consecrated by the Pope, that the attempts if the Roman pontiffs in this country had met with any suers It wan from this period that the great and remarkable contest bed ronimeneed sin these three points—first, whither tale mastic. should be exempt from secular jar:whiting; second, whether the right of tarrying appeals to Home shuts d be allowed ; and, thirdly, whether histuips should be appointed by the crown, or whitinr investiture should be conferred through the Itoman pontiffs. The hon. and learned gentleman here gase a historical ski tch of the contest which had taken place betwt en this euswitcy , and the Popes, showing the different phases which it altalna.ll, that the Popo had sometimes the lest „fit, hut that he wax generally worsted. It was n nantraoble part I .1 that contr , t, as showing the determination ul the people of this country to isaintain their indeptiotenee, that own in the reign of Mary no attempt hail le, II aura to repeal the statutes of Provisions and l'reemunifv. which esubli4wil the laded freedom of the churn h of Englund and the crown of England. In the reign of James 11. the contest was renewed, through the bigotry of that monarch, and there were many feature-y.l.f the contest then which were not dissimilar from that of the 'west at time. (Ileac, hear.) Then 11,4 now the plea of conscience was ...ten.sl,l, put forth, and now as then he hoped the pt 40.11 1 of England would cast that plea aside. (Cheers.) Chen as now the sinformis. upheld and took part with the' riergy and adherents of the established church; and now AM three they soul to the church of England,• We will stand by you facauste we stand for the protestant hoer-.) '1 hen an now the great Advocates of civil and reintious b.erty drew a broad distinctioo between the mutt of Rome and the church of Rome. (Rear, hear.) Lord Somers said at that time, that there a. the 011.11111 of Rome for oath,- lies, hut then there was also the roan of lions.. which scut it • clamalTa s into Oil, country fur its own run•t...., (near, hoar.) tiloomy days followed. It was not till I:91 that the Noreen catholic~ were allowed toleration. aittl it was ant till InCI that they gained their full intld pewit-ace. but it should he recollected, that they at to t seluded •as politer:Al and wit fur religious wrsoutioh.• llhtar. bear.) It was his gran, clear, and deliberate convittien that the naly means of altaltaitallg religious ialal in this country was to abide by the settlement a hich ass mule in 11429, which gave freedom to the lidonan ratbohce mill should Kier security to them. If Rome was allowed t o lot a#tgres- Jct. ; if she was allowed to proectsl to unbounded doini num and illimitable supremacy, why, them. he said that the people of England, true to their ill freednuen wad independ ence, must renew the greatest protest oh their forefathers against the interfertswe of the court of Rome, which he took care to distinguish from the church of Rome. It the adherint. of the church of Itinue thought that the 'no*, of England would now submit to foreign usurpi; ion. they utterly mistook the faith and temper of the Ilia ish people. (Cheers.) Ile thought he hail now 411111/11-tflavd that th/s . act of aggression was at variance with tin law of natanis, that it was contrary to the law of England. and onions' to die genius and spirit of her constitution. If tbat were Si,, then came the question put by his right 11,1;oulAbl, tricot' (Sir Jamey Urahum) how acts' they to meet tt t Wen. they to meet it by leitialation, sir were they to apply to her Majesty's Attorney-60a rat ? If Ins right him. friend really wished his able argonaut to be acted upon, he would, by compelling the Atnerney. tieneral to proweute, have irritated the Keaton eatholits ten times more than they were irritated at pit sent. telheere ) Ile (Mr. 'Walpole) agreed with the gortraiment that they wire right in not prosecuting ; for the law WA. lid AO uncertain 4 state that this alwoluti carktl4l of • frown prose cutiou could nut lie predic.itcd. and a crown prosecu tion ought not to be undertaken old.. it were vs ry likely to he suctesaftd. Now he (Mr. Walpole) agettd with everybody who had spoken in that debate that in any legis lation which they might adopt they wire bound to main tain a just and enlightened toleration ; alai if, on discus - the ' fount! that that would be bg.dation. r, o— ) had been provoked, rind had been predicted. We were told that if we persevered in such legislation a civil war would arise in Ireland. But he did not entertain such an apprehension ; admitting the provocation and that there might he a risk. He believed that in Ireland, as well as in England, there existed so strong a feeling of common sense, that we should never see such an extremity resorted to. (Hear, hear.) But from that mischief we should be saved, not by the prudenee of our rulers, but by the good sense of Irish and English society. (Rear , hear.) Now, the hoe. gentlemen who sat in that house as the repro sentatives of Ireland had power in their hands; and to them he now turned, and to them he ventured to offer his humble advice. Ile asked them to trust the people of England. (Hear, hear.) Let them depend upon it, that this affair would in the end be rightly appreciated. (Hear, hear.) Real civil and religious liberty, however society might be disturbed and disordered, was, after all, in no danger. He would repeat—he con sidered this bill as utterly inefficient. It was a hill which the noble lord had attempted to pare down to suit the exi gencies of the case ; and it was so pared down that it now became a question whether it was of any avail to retain the one clause or not. And the noble lord would act fairly in confessing that it was inefficient. The very best thing that the noble lord could do would be to adopt the sugges tion of the right hon. gentleman the member for Manchester (Mr. M. Gibson), end to put off this discussion. 'fo let it go nn would he fatal to the noble lord. If the bill were carried, it would he by majorities composed of those who, after it was carried, would be the noble lord's opponents. If it became law, it would never be enforced; and the consequence would be, that the Roman catho lies of this country would be exposed to the bigoted attacks of many portions of the population. (Hear.) He (Mr. Roebuck) believed that the noble lord was exceed ingly anxious to get out of his present difficulty. He could mile do so in one way—by retiring. If, however, the noble lord :olhered to his bill, his administration woul d end when the debates upon that bill were over. Therefore, he (Mr. Roebuck) would urge again on his hon. friends—let this I discussion be closed. re Roebuck resumed his seat amid much applause. It s mold be stated, that throughout his speech, he spoke with his back to the gallery, addressing himself entirely to the body of Irish members, and that he was consequently most imperfectly heard in the gallery.) The AT I'ORNEY-GENEIt4L said he was anxious to ' offer some observations in this debate on the bill before the `house, and he would make his remarks as concise as he' possibly could. There was an observation which had been I made, and which he believed had received the common assent of the whole house, and with which he cordially con ruffed. There was, he believed, but a common wish, is one respect, that whatever the house might du on the sub ' jest of the bill before them, nothing in any respect whatu ever should be done to interfere in the slightest with the fullest possible exercise of spiritual action. (Hear, hear.) He fully concurred in that, believing that nothing In should say or do would trench upon the principle, and is that spirit he would offer some observations and explain his opinions, on the second reading of this bill, as far as , he was able, in consistency with that principle which he considered a sacred principle. It was of the greatest ills portanee that the house should consider whether the act of the l'opc had not temporal action—(hear, hear) — whether it had not some influence over matters other than spiritual which might have a prejudicial effect upon the temporal liberties of various classes in this eon= —(hear, hear)—and if it were found to h ave an effect, he asserted that it would then be the duty of her Majesty's government to interpose and prevent that effect taking place ; and the only question then would be, whether the measure now introduced to the house was a proper measure, and fitted to repel the attempt. Ile heard his hon. and learned friend the member fur Sheffield, state that it was perfectly absurd to suppose that in any degree whatever, the canon law could be of effect in this country —that the canon law was not the law of this country—but'! that the English law was the law of this land—and that it war absurd to suppose that the Pope could exercise the canon law in this country. lie thought his hon. and learned friend was mistaken in this view. lie (the Attorney-General) held it to be a fact that could not be disputed by any person 1 1 acquainted with canon law, that that canon law could only eine into effect through bishops of territorial dioceses, to the common acceptation of that term. (Hear.) lie as serted that there might be in the Roman catholic church l a person who should exercise episcopal functions within his district, and yet between whom and the bishop of a terri torial diocese there was the breedest possible distinction, But • ' of parliament. Talk to him of n free queen, or of the power of this country bring overborne by a wandering poor old priest•-C.aughter)—who crime into this country clothed only with moral a,tributcs. lie wished to deal with this as strictly a political question, to keep out of the mire of theological dispute, and not to roll whet._ he had seen so many roll before. His wish was to llvp on the dry land, sons to have something like a ra tional argument. (Interruption, and cries of " Order.") The hon. awl learned member having pleaded indisposition, as a reason tor the low tone in which he spoke, proceeded to say tint he was as ready to o, ,, ert the paramonnt autho rity of the English parliament as the noble lord himself: hut when asked to support this bill, he demantleol whether the interests of England requiml such legislation ? (Hear, lieu.) Ile wanted to leant the eireurastionees under which this law hail been proposed, and the extent to which it would pros redress. What were the eireurrugances under which tin law Ism proposed? Ile could 'toot help saying, those of departure from a long continued policy on the part of the no! lord. (Hear, hear.) Looking hack at the ant:micas of the noble lord and the history of his party, he could find no qualification for the present pmceeding. (Rear.) One great mistake appeared to have been made by Marie who supported the noble lord, in looking upon the Pope's r• script as a legal document, and in not consi dering the condition of the great laxly of the catholic, to whom it was intended to apply. lie eonsiolered their posi tion to be that of a dissenting body, the established church bring the ruling ecclesiastical Niro r. If the Wesleyan% ' Congregationalists, or any other body of dissenters had prepured a law for their religious government, would rubs meat have deemed it necessary to interfere? (Hear.) The learned Solicitor-lieneril had called the art of the Pope an invasion of the royal prerogative, as if any act of the Pope could affect the royal authority in this country. (So we un derstood the hon. and learned member, but the tom of con versation was so loud and his tone of speaking so low, as to render his meaning not emilv attainable.) liming attended closely to the statement of the hon. gentleman, he most say that the audacity of its promise. was not at all carried out in its performance. 'fhe hon. and learned gentleman had undertaken to prove that the Tope had invaded the royal prerogative by parcelling out the country into districts, and he (Mr. Roebuck) denied the truth of the assumption. The act of the Pope was nothing more than sending over a reseript. making certain alterations in the ecclesiastical government of the Roman cathodic% namely, substituting a regu: or hierarchy for vicars-apostolic, the latter being the more ohjoietionalole as regarded f reign influence. If they considered the position of the Roman catholic. from the I p er iod of the Reformation down to the present time, they would find it to have been that of a persecuted sect, the persecution Mint to its height in Into, when the puritans being in power subjected the Roman crotho- Ifs to that treatment of which they themselves had set the example. After that, in Ifsgrl, James ii. par tially restored the religion, hut the dissenting spirit wets aroused, and the attempt resulted in failure. Ile did not regret it. hut the Roman catholic religion in England was then very different from what it was at the present moment. lie was not one of those who believed that the Human catholic religion was advantageous to the en lightenment of mankind, but that was no reason why [ they should enact laws against their Roman catholic fel low-subjects. Their priests had enjoyed domination in former times, but it was from their intellectual power, there being no doubt but that at the time they were the most enlightened people in the country. They had then all the learning, they had preserved all the learning of mankind, and their power was the power of mind over matter, although perhaps the mode of manifestation wa.s not to be admired. But time went on, education ex tended to other classes, and the people !mama as learned as the pried.. The Reformation followed, conferring, as he believed, more real benefit upon mankind than any revolu tion in the history of the world. (('heers.) But when the noble lord talked of the difficulties likely to arise from the [despotism of tit. Roman catholic church. did not he we the [ difference between present and former times, and the differ , epee between the eneroachments of men who were the de powitarigs of all intellectual excellence and power, and the attempts of priests in the present day, when the world was as enlightened as themselves. (bear.) The noble lord talked of two dangers, the establishment of the hierarchy and the introduction of the canon law. But the rmeript did not introduce the Canon law, nor was that law effected by anything contained in the reseript. Even if it were intro duced, it was nothing more or less than a system of spiritual direction for Roman Catholics, which, acting under moral influence. - wen , contented to obe y . To them it might not permitted even in tlio darkvot We earnestly beseceh your Majesty to resist this intoler able aggrcosiun ; and we tender our hearty assurance, that nothing shall be wanting on our part to give etfixt to your Majesty's determination. But we desire al.° humbly to represent to your Majesty our conviction, confirmed by the recent testimony or several bishops of our church, that the court of home would never have attempted ouch an act of aggression, had not encou ragements been held out to that enecuaching power by many of the clergy of our own church, who have, fur several years past, shown a desire to assimilate the doctrines ' of the ougt__ ~,,, prevens due harmony which exists between the two countries. I was because he believed it did not interfere with any prin ciple of religious liberty that he thought he could consist ently with his opinions express a eonscientious hope and trust that the bill, as altered, would he carried into effect. (Loud cheers.) Mr. W. FAGAN moved the adjournment of the debate. Lord J. RUSSELL said he would not oppose the adjourns ment, but he exproised a hope that hon. gentlemen would consider, atter the length to which the discussion had been carried, and the arguments on both sides extended, the government might, on Monday next, look to the conclusion. The debate was then adjourned to Monday. coNsounATED Fr Ni) 8,000,0001. BILL. This bill went through committee. NE W BILL. Mr. LABOLTHERE moves' fir leave to bring in a bill to consolidate and amend the laws relating to 'team navi gation and lights on board sea-going vessels. Mr. SIDNEY asked whether there would be any clause to regulate the steamers on the River Thames. Mr. LABOUCHERE replied that Die steamers on the Thames, as well as steamers elsewhere, would be compre hended. Leave was then given to bring in the bill. Colonel SIBTROIir gave notice that, on the motion for going into committee of supply, he should call the attention of the house to the proposes' addition of 5 001 . to the salary of the chairman of the Board of Inland Revenue; also, to 'itolerable nuisance of advertising vans and of large had for the lest 21 years bean the same in Ireland as he was saking of, and no inconvenience or oppression had been felt or at leant exclaimed against. The bishops had not felt that it was oppressive, and they had not been prevented from doing those acts which were necessary for the due carrying out of their religion. In no court of law in Ire land had the Roman catholic bishops suffered injury front this state of the law. He (the Attorney-General) thought they would all admit that there were no gentlemen of any bar more acute, or more ingenious, or more learned, and more ably to find out assailable points than the gen tlemen at the Irish ; and if the state of the law had not been such as he (the Attorney-General) had described it, advantage would no doubt have been taken of it. The disposition had not been wanting if the opportunity had been created. (hear, hear.) He (the Atterucy-tieneral) ventured to say this, that the doctrine which had in this matter prevailed in Ireland would be sanctioned by the present bill, and that only to the extent he (the Attorney-fieneral) had described, would the first clause include the provisions of the second. Ile frankly admitted to the house that there might be a very consider- ' able distinction, and a great difference• between the ease of Ireland, and that of this country; but when he heard the extent to which the exclamations against the hill went, he begged to be allowed to call the attention of the house to what would be the subsequent operation of it in this country and in Ireland. He wished to bu allowed to point out what it was that this bill proposed to do. It proposed to do nothing more than this: if they made any new bishops in Ireland that they should be exactly on the same Gating as the old ones; and if they made any new bishops in this country that they should be on the same Meting its the Irish bishops. '1 his was the extent of the monstrous persecution—the flagrant violation of the rights of conscience, which had moved honourable members to the very depth of their inmost feelings. There must, however, be something under such a display of feeling. There must be something more than uppeareil on the sur face. When this measure hod been introduced into the Catholic Relief Act in 1520, had it nut been considered a great boon? Had any hon. gentlemen then exclaimed against the monstrous injustice and persecution? Had any hon. gentlemen then said, " Look to what tyranny you are ere sting--see how you are binding men's consciences!" And this woo what was collect the abandonment of every principle of civil and religious freedom. And yet, in 1419, this clause had been thought harmless, and had been allowed to puss, though it was to cellist a system of three hundred years standing. It was a strong expression to use, to say that this measure violated the principles of civil and religious liberty. It was very diffi cult to understand on what grounds such a position could be maintained. Several hon. gentlemen who had opposed the bill from both sides of the house, and partieularly English members who had opposed it, had perhaps done so from the opinions which many of them might entertain, that it was desirable every church should he totally diseme neetril from the state, in all matters spiritual anti ectlesi aetieal, and that it was a wrong thing for any king or queen to be the supreme head of the) church, but that the church itself should be supreme in all matters connected with itself. These were the oliinione of many of the protestants of Scotland, and they had caused a must exteneive schism in the Scotch church. (Hear, hear.) They were the opinions, also, of many in this country, but they were opinions at variance' with the 27th article of their religion, which recognised the crown as the head of the church and the supreme governor of the church in all causes, ecclesiastical and civil. (Hear, hear.) He (the Atturney-General) must say that the ob servations made by the hon. member fin. Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck) and other hon. members, accusing those who had promoted the present measure of being actuated by nothing more than intense hate of the Roman catholics, and ,e desire of creating prosecutions, were without foundation. He (the' Attorney-General) thought the hon. member (Mr. Roe buck) did not himself, upon reflection, believe such nem serious to be founded in fact, and did not believe that either he (the Attorney-General) or any person could have any other feelings than those they professed to entertain. He (the Attorney-General) entertained—and he said with the greatest truth—the strongest attachment, the deepest attachment, to all Roman catholics, and desired that they • should have the freest and most unfettered exce -1 eise of their religion in every MI.. Some hon. gentlemen had suggested that proceedings should have been adopted by the Attorney-General. He had, however, been )exceedingly reluctant to adopt any proceedings, and he had, in conjunction with the Solicitor-General, advised her - . the int.. barrel org.tuv. (Laughter.) The hutt,e then adjourned at half-put twelve o'clock. -0 sing bill in co mmittee they hinged by the bill, Iw, for one. would then say that it ought to be given up. (Ili at. hear.) But he must lie allowed to say that toleration was nut the only principle which they must bear in mind. though it was the only Inc which from the beginning to the end of the speech of his right huu. friend the no :abet for Ilipon war at all adverted to. (Hear.) Who wait the beat. or ore.o the not, of the authorities who hail vindicated what hail In' n dune by the Homan Pontiff? Ilia friend—and he was proud to roll him his friend—Mr. Itowycr. There wait fad 0 letter i•oavtitutional lawyer than that genii. man in this ',aim:dom.! Well. he hail justified the act of the Pupa by the plait of toleration. Hut he hail also told them what in his " l asi 111 l toleration was. What wave his words ? faomething more than an equality of civil rights." Now what was that " something MOM r • The phew could mean but one thing consist. atly with the thy,. be potential , it boll so power in our enorts of law, and therefore could not effect any public injury. That being the ease, the bill would only do mischief en perpetuating vicars apostolic who well . under the immediate orders of the Pope. Then, a gr..at outcry had been raised about synodical action—what was that? Did not the Methodiit assemble in synod. and all other Dissenters? Another great objection was the interference of a foreign prince. but they knew that the catholic religion contem plated an episcopal body, with the Pope at its head, not in a temporal capacity. but merely as a bishop and the head of the catholic church. Ile was told that this foreign minty might interfere with the loyalty of Roman catholic. in this country. That was, in his opinion, a most unjustifiable attack on the loyalty of men who had lone themselves so calmly and meekly under ages of persecution. (Hear, hear.) He submitted that up to 1829 there was not a more disposed body than the Ro and that distinction was anown to the canoulaw. But *bishop territorial only could put the canon law into effect, in respect of the temporalities of persons inhabiting that diocese, and not a bishop whose function. were purely episcopal. That fact was admitted by Cardinal Wiseman in his appeal, and by 31r. Bowyer in hit pamphlet, and he had not heard anything to show that that was not the doctrine of the canon law. So it followed that to take hold of mat ters temporal they . were obliged to have bishops with defined distncts, and by that only were they able to carry into operation the canon law. Ilis bun. and learned friend mid that this onion law was not the law of England. He (the Attorney- General) admitted that—but that it was foreign law. But the position was this: the law of England looked upon foreign law as a fact ; and, like other facts, was to be proved by witnesses of competent character, and, when once —wed, the English law did not inquire whether the • - - - PARLIANIENTARY COMMITTEES. and seniors of ibe church of .England to those Roman communion. While we would cheerfully contend fur the principles of the Reformatiou against all open ene mies, we have to lament that our most dangerous firer, axe those of our own household ; and hence we feel that it is to little purpose to repel the aggressions of the Mreigneri unless those principles and practices, which have tempted him to such aggrc.ionN, be publicly and universally re pudiated. i• We are conscious that the evils to which we allude arc deeply si ated, and have been the growth of a series of years, and hence we entertain no expectation tluit they can be suddenly eradicated. llut we humbly entreat your Maiesty, in the exercise of your royal prenarative to direct the attention of the prunatis and bishops of the church to the necessity of using all tit and lawful nICHtla to purity it front the infection of false doctrine ; and, as respects external and observances, in whirl/ many novelties have been in troduced, to take care that measures may be promptly adopted, fur the repression of all .nett practices. Without attempting to enumerate with particularity the innovations to which we allude, we may briefly notice— '• The manner in which what is termed the sacramental system is carried out—by an exaggerated veneratimi for the chancel in our parish churches : its costly decoration, as a place especially holy—its separation, in some instances, from the body of the church let the popish ' rood-screen and its enrichment by syndiolical ornaments, such as ' crosses, candlesticks, tapestry, &e.:—all intended to bring ' back into the church the ideas of an altar and u sacrifice principles held by every honc-t lan11111 . 4010.ii; it meant immediate establishment and ultimate ow, n fancy. e• Uric. I hear, - and cheers.) Ile did not think Le had perverted Mr. Bowyer's meaning; and. it he bad not. then he said that was not toleration which the f England were prepared to concede to any bode et min. (heat. hear.) They would Lay to the itemin dies. " We are ready to secure ti you what we hart secured to the rest, but we will do no more. You ask tor more—by your own asowal % , ,u an seeking more. Having gained one degree of libZrty by indulgence, you are seeking another as a right. You has obtained equality as one among many bodies whit h tight to be tole rated- you are seeking and aspiring aft, r ascendancy as a ' Inch ' be above all the nst." 'Chews.) patient and loyally - man catholic' of England. (114 r, hear.) They did not rain emancipation, it was !whirred by the Homan catholic' of Ireland. (" Hear, hear" from the Irish meushers.) They gained it by terrifying the government, including the hero of a hundred fights. The Duke of Wel lington came down to the House of Lord , and declared that he could not govern the country if the Roman catholic' were not emancipated. Sir K. Peel left that house in IS2B. because he believed he was bound to maintain the penal law+. and in 1329 he came down to the house with the emancipation act in his hand. Why? Because he found it impowitile to govern the country if the penal laws were retained. Did the noble bird behest. that now, after SO many years of full equality. , the eatho pioved, foreign law was i„ and reasonable, but adopted the prin ciple and acted upon it. (Heir, hear.) The fact was notorious, since the event which took place in the churck of Scotland, upon the SCCe4RiOII of a number of persons who were now commonly called the free church. There were great dissentions in the concregations of the north at that time in the establishment of the Presbyterian religion according to the formal* of the Church of Scotland. It happened that many of the ministers of that establishment were those professing the doctrines of the free church, and that a large majority of lay congregations held the same. But a small minority sent them into chancery, and he con sidered the view taken by the Lord Chancellor in that case to bear o- - the case of the Roman catholics. ll.utwtru Ei.EcnoN.—A petition bus been pre-' suited to the House complaining of the return of Jtr. Prinscp. COUNTY ItATE4 ANI) EXPENDITURE.—The commit tee on this bill met yesterday for the tint time, chube a chairman, and prof eded to Mutnees. strenuously _ _ Majesty's governmem Lakin - any legal steps regarding the offence of in • ucing the bull—(hear, hear) —seeing that there was not a newspaper in the country which had not, as much as Cardinal IA iseman, committed a violation of the law. lie (the Attorney-General) had also thought it was not desirable to put in force such old statutes PS those under which the offence had been laid. With respect to the Diplomatic Relations with Rome Bill, which had been introduced for the purpose of obviating 'inch measures as the Pope had lately taken, the bill had been rendered inefficient by reason of a noble earl (the Earl of Aberdeen) getting a clause inserted which had crippled the measure. This was the more remarkable seeing that the noble earl was such a strong opponent of any interference with the pretensions of the see of Rome. (Cheers and " Hear, hear.") The only remedy for the inter ference of the court of Rome he (the Attorney-General) toleration &fined by las honourable! member fur Olfor1) to bc ; ought to be recognised is this bill, conjunction with it the equally peat winei-; the suprimacy of the known. moult! to say a few wants uyna the very mtwilling to say anything .o hamper the peritim of the noble lord was placed in to many ditticultik question. that he, for OW. thought it him. t . humble. to best of - - . lies would * be more May governed than in or that they would rest toniented under a MU like this? (.. Hear, hoar. - from the Irish members.) Did he believe that a bill which intuited withnot coercing. which told the people of Inland all your bigotry end hate. but showed your want of power to indulge it. would be .11CCC..- . ful ' Why it was a mere /warm Abmen, a declaration of hostility without the means of attack . an insult withnnt the power of injury. (liver.) The noble lord had succeeded ; in making his government a spectacle to the nations. Had . there ever been sack an exhibition ? Parties on both sides Considering the smalr o number of eatholies in thi country, compared with the population, it was a peculiarly wealthy body and %%11 endowed with benefices, as would be seen let the claims made on behalf of various Roman catholic pro prietots. The bishops of the catholic church claimed the right of appointing the priests for twnefices. But if simply bishops and not territorial bishops, they could not act upon that right. But they moment they were made territorial bishops then by the force of the canon law, ' they were immediately in a . position_to appoint persons _to, had then said was by having our relations wag Rome on a proper footing, and every subsequent occurrence had tended to convince him (the Attorney-fienersl) that it was a misfortune that the measure had not been pass^d at that time. (Hear, hear.) But that was prevented. What other course was open ? The other course was a legislative enactment. What was the legislative enactment the government had introduced? It was this—a legislative declaration that the thing was illegal, and it imposed certain penalties, to be enforced by the Attorney-General, in case existing matters should be interfered with. Now, he alleged that the law had been drawn up as mildly us it could possibly be. If the clause had been to make the assumption of the titles a misdemeanor, punishable by tine, then something might be said of its persecuting • though humbly. however. tell the nob:llll, , ed that of the house confessing their inability to govern the country. inadequate to the occasion. It (Ileac.) The noble lord himself governed onlvbvsutferance, noble lord would have dime bet- , ant all on aecount of this moot unfortunate trill. a blunder aeti d more in conformity with the • mg unscientific mevoire which belied the whole previous 'immunise. had he dealt with this life of the noble lord. wh , had actually rode into power by he would term the clam wry of Itzhting the bittleo, of the Roman catholic: , and dis.entses. itself, of which then: was mason to 't he araumeutsof the noble lord, in fasour of this bill, the condemnation with a 'mumble atil.paut4d, it they meant anything, to a oirwrtotion sgainst constitutional prine:ple on *lda, they the policy of the Emancipation Act of IS/9. (Herr. hear.) tad thought much en Hai • ali;e: rand he , Ile (Mr. - Roebuck) could unde rd and that applruse of this noble lord the propri..ty ad. e:aring the ' measure which proecedid from the hon. baronet the mem- I and void to all intents and purpose s, her for the Universty of Oxford (Sir H. Inglis). and other one Coma acting under or in puninutee Lou. Fen:lemon stenciller religious and political tendencies. keeping the alleglanee of the people lint for the noble lord thins to retrace hie steps indicated a y by way of protesting, in the Gee of leaning to a weak-minded pollee. And what was the result ? notion that au) sL.thwrity toald come Wir•ae:e: au attempt WAS made to stop the onward ad- , Spirit; but by fixing the penalty, and preventing an ordinary person from proceeding against the individual by requiring that it should he done tinder the first officer of the crown, this was prevented. That appeared to him to be as mild a mode of preventing what had been attempted at could possibly have been devised. (Hear, hear.) He con curred with many of those who had previously addressed the house in saying that the Roman catholies of this country as t body were particularly loyal to the throne. He aid not make any peculiar exception, but cm'- notwithstanding their sedulous exeltudon from all the form ularies of the church. "Connected with the same system, we notice the with drawal of the service from the laidv of the people into the chancel, where the prayers are Aim read or intoned, with the reader's face turned towards the so-called • altar,' and away from the congregation, so as to change the pmtestant service of united minister and people into an imitation of the ltumish ritual, wherein the priest prays for the people in words neither heard nor understood by them. " These ' histrionic arrangements' of the public services of the church may, some of them. viewed singly, 'wens to posecss little ireprtauce. But it is far otherwise, whim they arc considered as parts of a corrupt system. and coupling these and various other innovations, with the adoption, by the saute parties, of the Rinnisli system of auricular confession, penance, and priestly absolution, there seems no reason to doubt the existence of is mined purpose, in many of the parties so acting, to bring hack our pro testant church to those very corruptions ' both of doctrine and practice, front which it was cleansed by the blessed reformation. "Already great alarm is naturally created by the nilpotent return of so many members of the church of England to Runtish superstitions ; and this state of things, if suffered to continue, will probably lead tame of the people to depart Ifrom the faith of their lathers, oast many more to feel a general distrust of and alienation from all forms and minis trations of " While we feel deeply conscious that the true and effec tual remedy for the dangers which beset our protestant church belongs Go uo human power, but only to the supreme head of the church, whose Almighty out is to be sought by humble, persevering prayer, we are thankful that, by the constitution and the existing laws, there is vested in your Majesty, as the earthly head of our church, a wholesome power of interposition—whielt power wu entreat your Majesty now to exercise. The records of the reigns of your Majesty's illustrious predecessors, both before and since the glorious revolution, furnish many examplesof the ntunuer in which the mischiefs and abuses which at various times have sprung up in the church, have been dealt with, by the exercise of the royal authority. "That it may please your Majesty, on a ciew of the pe culiar perils in which oueprotestant church is now placed, to interpose fur its defence, is our humble Petition; and that it may please God long to preserve your Majesty in the full cejoymeut of all your royal authority, fur the well being of this nation, and for the furtherance of his own glory, is the earnest prayer of, ' Your Majesty's loyal subjects." This address had received the signatures of the peers and members of the house of Commons, whose 1112M(11 are given below, and it was also signed by 321,210 other lay members of the church of England. Duke of Bedford M. Bell, Esq., M.P. Duke of Manchester J. Beldam, M.P. Marquis of Northampton Eir W. Jollffie, Bert., M.P. Marquis of Chnlinunikley M. Briscoe, Ls, Marquis of Donegal J. Boyd, Esq., NLP. Marquis of Winchester W. N. Hoffman, Esq., M.P. Marquis of bluntly Sir C. Burrell, licit, M.P. Marquis of Ito wmhire 11. lidwor 's, Esq., M.P.' Earl of Chichester A. E. Fuller, Esq., Earl Or Grey Sir T. V. Lewis, M.P. Earl of Donoughmore Sir E. Buxton, Bart., M.P. Earl of Duete W. Evans, Ent., M.P. Earl Welder/rave 11. Brown, Esq., M.P. Earl of Cavan T. P. Thompson, Esq., M.P. Earl of Huntingdon 0. Carr Glyn, Esq., M.P. Earl of ZetJand C. M. Greniell, Esq., M.P. Earl C.:Mogan E. It. Rice, Erq., M.P. Lord Sand's J. Bustroce,E.y E-q., M.P. Lord sootier Might C.T.D'neourt,3l.P. Dad Blaynry J. W. lied. Erg M.P. Viscount Ormbennere ltab.irtl prime , M.P. Lord id..ertiorne G. H. Berkeley, Esq., M.P. Lord Massareene and Ferrard Thomas Sidney, F.sq., M.P. Earl of Cork W. Cubitt, Fag. M.P. Earl Cowper Thomas AUdy, ksq., M.P. Lord Bangor B. M. Willcox, Erg., M.P. Lord Hill mulct Seum EN., M.P. Earl of Bandon J. Tollernachr MI., M.P. Lord Clarina T. A. Mitchell, Dm,. M.P. Earl of Darnley Mr A. B. Brooke, Ba rt., M P. Earl of Clare It. IL Vise, EN., M.P. Earl of E ffi ngham Dudley Pelham, '.rq., M.P. Earl of tiorford Hastings Russell, Esq., M.P. Earl Amherst Robert Boyle, Esq., M.P. Earl ot 0:-low Sir 11. Verney, licit., M.P. Earl of Hardwick° lord J. C. Stuart, M.P. Earl of Moinington J. W. Childers, Eq., M.P. F.arl of Glenfrall Colonel Watkins, M P. Earl of Pomfret It. U. Mangles, Eq., M.P. Earl Spencer J. I'. Plumptre, , M.P. Earl of Lecester Hon. 11. C. Loather, M.P. lard Nortbwick Earl flown Earl of Stamford Lord Tenterden Lord Haulm& Lord Braybtage Earl of Sandwich lard Marron Lord Abitirr Earl of Denbigh Lord Fetersh do Earl of Vernlam Lord Kenyon Lord Marieley Lord Cremorne Lord Ho-ton Earl of Roden Earl of Winchilaeri Lord Montfort yi.e9unt St. Vincent icTeßil;;;sies" ---- Re% Poulett Lord Robert Montagu Lord Charl.. Townshend Lord Charles KY .& II Lord H. Cholmindeley Lord Moreton Lord Aside M.P. Lord Mandeville, M.P. Lord Marcus Hill, M.P. Eu.l of Mulueive, M.P. Lord Bernard, M P. Lord Jotelyn, Earl of Eutoa, M.P. Lord Burghley, M.P. Lord A: Paget, M.P. lard George Paget, H. Lowther, Esq., M.P. P. H. West, EN.. M.P. Hon. F. G. Tollemacho, H. C. Compton, Esq , c. H. Priiwen, EN., M.P. Iton. W. H b. Cotton, M.P. Hovel Gwyn, EN., M.P. E. A. J. , M.P. A. L. Goddard, Fag., M.P. J. C. Renton, liq. , N.P. Sir Edmond Filmer:Bart.,M.P. Sir J. J. fiaei-t, Part:, M.P. Philip Bennet, Erg., M.P. James larier, EN., M.P. Sir S. Gore Rooth, Cart., M P. G. L D. Darner, EN.,M.P. J. C. Chatterton, rag., M.P. George Dundan, E N.P. Welter Long, Esq , How. E. S. Kwe4l, M.P. E. U. Umldock, tr 4., M.P. David Pugh, M.P. W. H Stanton, F MP. E. R. Gooch, Esti., M.P. George Sdndars, , M.P. Sir James Duke, Ilan., M.P. J. F. Stanford, Lew., M.P. Iliirmlton, EN.. M.P. I. E. Tudor, Edf., M.P. Sir!. B. Ea.t, Itirt., M.P. Sir Henry ildlford, Sart., M.P. Robert Perfect, EM., M.P. J. 11. M. Sutton, M.P. O. H. Lawton, , M.P. W. H. C. Picot den, E.q , M.P. R. J. Townley, Evq., M.P. George A. Hamilton Eno. M.P. Lord Willem ?Owlet, M.P. 11. S . Waddington, Y..q., M.P. Viscount Brantley, M.P. Ron. P. W. C. Villiers, M.P. Vlaocaint Enfield, M.P. John Toacanend, EN., M.P. Lord Rubcrt Grosvenor. M.P. William Thoorpam, Esq.. M.P. Lord Drumlenrip, M.P. C. P. Greaten, E.q., M.P. Lord E. 11111, M.P.. E. huntbaltl, Esq, M.P. W. Heckert, Esq. , E. B. Farnham, EA., ?CP. Sir W. V. raer, M.P. Mr C. Lemon, M.P. Sir G. J. Istrunton, Itrt" M.P. M. Acelsdell, Ecq., M.P. Alderman Copeland. Y.P. FATAL BOILER ExPLosioN.—On Wednesday-night the boiler of the engine attached to the flax-spinning works of Messrs. Finlayson, in the village of Johnstone, near Glasgow, exploded, killing eight men and boys. It is believed that the works had been temporarily suspended while the workpeople were taking some refreshment ; but, meanwhile, the engineman had kept the safety-cube fully loaded, the consequence of which was a tremendous explo• Rion. The persona who were killed had been smoking or resting themselves in the lire-room. A large portion of the building was blown down ; and while exertions were making to rescue the sufferers from the mint, it was dui covered that the mill itself was on fire. This was caned by the hot cinders having been driven through the parti tions into the inner apartments of the factory. The fabric with its valuable contents, has been almost wholly consumed lwdy u A tts ," tt h en . i l; ll•l g t tt ae tol d and learned friend (thn the toleration which and taking in conjunction • ple of preserving entire ti the house allow him I 101 l illicit? Ile was v which might tend to h, lord; For the noble lord In referente to this quest hu duty to support him his Ability. He must, 1 he thought this hill was seemed to him that the ter, and would have aci Ancient statute of pr. ascreuion in what he rOwlemning the act it,e complain, prefacing the reciting distinctly the co proceeded. Now,he huill I would suggest to the nolol Meal brief ualawfial and and prohibiting may use of it, partly by way of k• sunheeked, and partly b Europe, against lb, Sot THE NITSHILL EXPLOSION. The operations at the SCCIIC of this catastrophe, for the recovery of the hodics of the sufferers by it, continue to be prosecuted with assiduity and partial success. Thirty one bodies in all had, up to f hursday night, been brought from the pit, including the two men Cochrane and Colville, whose lives have been preserved. The corpses are all in a sadly mutilated and disfigured state. Collins have been scut down the pit into which they are placed there, so as to avoid the exposure and great excitement that would otherwise attend their being brought to the sur face. For the first time since the accident, operations inthe pit were to be suspended during Thursday night, those who have conducted them being quite worn out with fatigue. They would resume their task on Friday morning; and it is hoped that they will be able to make great progress with the exploration. We believe all the corpses yet found were gut towards the rise of the workings on the west side ot• the pit, and it is in that direction that it is purposed still to ad vance, as the most likely quarter where success is to be had. The government inspector of mines for the district has visited the place, and was desirous on Thursday of de scending, but was dissuaded from currying out this inten tion by the interference of others, who represented the hazard of the undertaking. A subscription for the 'Aloof of the relatives of the sufferers, and in gratitude to those • who have exerted themselves in their recovery, has been ' contemplated.—Wasyme Doily IRELAND. Dyntrx, Mincx.2l The accounts this morning from bungarvan bring no news beyond the conclusion of the proceedings at the hustings on Wednesday evening, when, us a matter of course, the show of hands was clearly in favour of Mr. Maguire. The polling takes place to day (Friday). On Wednesday night the streets of Dungarvan were the scene of some disgraceful riot-' ing between the mobs of the contending parties, but this excited little attention as no serious occurrence resulted. UNIVERSITY AND CLERICAL. CAMBRIDGF., M.tlecu 21.—DAVIEs SCIIOLkft, 1851. —Edward Maenaughten, of Trinity College, was yesterday elected to the University scholarship on the foundation of the late Rev. .1. Davies, D.D., Provost of King's College. The electors were unanimously of opinion that the merits of LempriZ,re Ilamniond, scholar of Trinity College, were very nearly equal to those of the successful candidate. CLASSICAL Tuteus..—First class: Lightfoot, Trio.; Mayor, Juh. ; Whymper, Trio. ; Burn, Triu. ; Blore, Trio. ; Hutchinson, Joh.; Williams, J. D., Trin.; Harcourt, Trio.; Butler, Trin.; liolroyd, Trio.; Phillips, Emman.; Taylor, Pet. Second class : Guntillon, Joh. ; C. F., Joh.; Bateman, Joh. ; Gorham, Triu. ; liirUug, Coins ; Shebbear, Trin.; Conic, Trio.; Wallace, Jesus; White, Callas; Whitfield, Trio. 11.; Wilson, A., Trin.; James, Queens' ; Biguold, Trio. ; Cromwell, Trio.; Foster, Trin.; Smith Jervois, Trio.; Erskine, Trio.; Hodges, Jesus; ltedniuyne, Trio. Third class: Burtt, Joh.; Garland, Joh.; Godfrey, Emman.; Holmes, F. G., Joh.; Tatham, Joh.; Waddington, Trio.; Wilks, T. C., Trio. MILITARY. (From Nit Night's Gazette.) !NAR.OFFICE. : Msscit 21. 7tbßegt. of Drag. Gd;.:1..174:1 . . !from 89th F., to be lieut., Mee (Irioy. who each. 13th Emit. of V.—C. W. Wooosorr, gent., to be szabotaurg. 19th V.-I.3eUt. M. L. guar, from b..p. 57th 1 0 ., to be bent, rice J. Phillitpvy who each. 41th V.—Ens. W. liarcutato be lieut., by pur., rice llowarol, prom.; 0. bionsa, gent., to he tons., by pur., vice Ho tcher. 48th F.—Vest. W. R. WILLIAN•uN to be adj., vice Maltreat prom. 30th P.—Capt. the ilea. J. ri. Mstwatt, from the 39th P. , to be apt., vice Mackenzie who each. 39th V.—Capt. B. U. Miaow:ilk from the 30th P., to be apt., vioe Msawdl, who each. Liril —Liget C. thaws to be rapt, by nor., vice I.ittlelinles, who rats.; Ens. A. IL &MIMI', to he lieut , by put., rice liaison. T Ith. 1.-Btaff ourg. of the see. Coma J. A. PAAPIIk, M. 1)., to be Burg, else AMeck, spy. to the Staff. 89th V.—Limit. J. GMT, from the 7th Drag. Gds., to be lieut., rite lialfour, who eac h .. _ . . . it front Ceylon lade Ilen , U:Amiat-eurg. J. M. A. T. Caorr, from the ataff, to be eariet..euig , vice Hamlarut., al,. to tb... 4 .M. Hormel. Scary.— burg. D. AtFIJCK, Irian the 7th F., to be staff rug. of the reeronn Glace, vice Fraier, aop. to the 71th F. ; Assist.- surs. J. itaraarr, from the Ceylon Rine Rent., to be seaun.-eurg. to the Imre, vice Croft, app to the C*3 lon Rifle lteart. A SINGULAR AND IMPORTANT TRADE, has very reccntl; , in Southann T-- • of ..,ntly sprung up —...arnampton. Two companies s merchants rent large tracts of the mud land at the bottom of that town, for the purpose of feeding and preserving oysters for the London market. A telegraphic message is now despatched from London to Southampton, and any quantity of oysters can, in four or five hours afterwards, be received in the former from the latter place by rail. A large quantity of oysters are opened in Southampton and sent to London without the shells, and thus a large amount of carriage freight is saved. The oysters that are thus sent are for pickling and sauces. They are sent in cans securely covered, and in their own juice, and keep well during the few hours they are on the rail. The quantity of oysters now lying in the Southampton lx. , cls, is worth about 2,0001., and this quant''•' will be enormously increased ms quantityl y . very shortly. A slip is about to be built on purpose to land and ' open them. The trade will be in operation all the year round, and very shortly between 30 and 10 vessels will by employed in it. A large number of persons arc employed in parking, landing, and opening the oysters. The railway waggons which take them to London are brought down by a tramway close to where they arc landed. These oysters are caught near the Channel islands, and as soon as a ship load is caught, they are sent to Southampton. They are there thrown on the oyster grounds, and at low water they _ , . .. . . . . . benefice.. and if they came into the Court of Chancer y , the I taints. the Roman catholies had always expressed obedience are placed in rowsseveral liven thiCk, with spaces between. court would enforce every one of the trusts. That was the to the law. An opportunity was now given them to evince This is called parking them. They are continually shifted effect of the canon law. the Court of Chancery would, in their sincerity. Ihe house would declare this to be the to and from the empty spaces to prevent them from being spite of any old practice previously existing, enforce the law. that it was illegal to take these titles, and hon. mem- choked by , the mud. Tenpence a thousand is paid for park eimon law. That was an illustration. (Hear, hear.) lie ben would then see what course the Roman catholic, would , ing, and fifteen-pence a thousand for opening them. As did all he could to make the position plainly take. Were they (the Roman catholic's) prepared to obey I soon as the tide begins to flow the oysters, if narrowly understood, because he had heard from both sides the law. because, if they were not, it would be easily in the watched, may be seen opening their shells to take in nutn of the house arguments against the probability of 1 power of parliament to make very much more stringentlaws I went, and at dead low water they may be seen ejecting the operation of the canon law, and about the to enforce obedience. (Cheers.) But so far from the act water with some force. If they have not power to eject the impossibility of the Pope introducing it into this country. being an insult, it was by far the most courteous way by muddy particle, mixed with it they soon Ilk, as they cannot But he (the Attorney-General) b e li es e d t h at th ere wa s a 1 which we mild enforce the law, if the lute proceeding I close their shell , . The dead oysters are carer illy picked from mode of doing so and that it was done to a considerable interfered at all with respect t o our R oman cat h o li c fel- the living and thrown away from the grounds. No Laren extent in various other countries. (Hear, hear.) He did ' low-subjects. Because we said to the Roman catholic+ that' venicnce arises to the inhabitants from the decay of the believe that it would he a most injurious thins to allow I we had so much confidence and good feeling in thisni that latter, for the mud land swarms with minute crabs who priest, and bishops to he appoiuted by a foreign paten- •we would not add to the bill a stringent clause, which enter between the shells and ravenously devour the dead tate, and that they should be appointed ouly from per- woa..l'.e a clause of deprivation in case they disobeyed the fish. 1 ►' - I ,