The Express. — London, England, 1848-06-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PA itLIA.mEN I. HOUSE OF LOHUS.—TnuessoAT, JuNs S. The LORD CIIIANOILLoR took his mat at 5 o'clock. PITATki BUSINENI. FECOND REAOINGEL- R North lOWA Railway (No. 1.) and divitios of capital)l ; Manchester. Sheffield. and 1 - 10 "In.bi" Railway (Ashton Genet purehmel; Manchester. Sheffield, end Lln colneltirs Railway (Sheffield Canal purchase) ; York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway, late York and Newcastle Railway (main line Ire. prominent) ; Barrow Harbour ; Waterford. Weeford, Whale., aid Dublin Railway ; Aberdare Rai: way Act .tosendenent ; Midland Roil. way (alteration of the line and branches near Wellingborough, and approach to the Wellingborough Mutate); Lanark and Ilaulaton Clout House and Gaunt, fisted; Bristol Docks Transfer; 11111.. Tilt Itt) READING. -Leicester Nartgation (sale of lone on forest line) PUBLIC BUSINESS. ARGON° READINGS.-a.ilcof Beer Regulation Bill. oommtrniB. - Great Yarmouth Freemen Diatranchlsemeet Bill. THIRD READING. -Tobago Relief and Immigration into Briqekt Guiana and Trinidad Bill. NOTICE OF SIOTION.-Aniffeassess roe mot Wenowerma Hommel.. -The Merquis of LANSDOWNE, tomato' , (this day). to more the adjouisinent of the bows until Tliumelay, the ISth inst. KCLLE.SIASTICAL UNIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Earl FORTE,CUE laid on the table a bill to amend the laws l i relating to ecclesiastical union and divisions of parishes in Ireland. The Archbishop of AItMAOI.I expressed his approval of the hill. After • few words from the Earl Of Sr. a_ ISIBMANS the bill was read • first time. FREE-OROWN AND SLAVE-LABOUR SUGAR. Lord DENMAN, CM presenting the petition from the Mauritius, said ho wished to call the attention of the house to a fact stated by the petitioners-vie., that the exportation of sugar from the Mauritius had greatly decreased, the slays trade enabling Bread , nd Cuts to produce sugar at half the price of the sugar grown in the Mauritius and they were consequently carrying on a most thriving tr ade. (Hear.) SALE OF BEER REGULATION BILL. The Earl of HARNOWLIT moved the second reading of this bill. Lord MONTEAGLE supported the bill, for he thought the regulation of cloning public houses until one o'clock on Sundays hod a most belie licial effect in a mural paint of view. . _ . Lord BROUGHAM approved of the bill. Lord CAMPBELL supported the bill. Lord KINNAIRD wished it might be extendid to Scot lane. Lord WHARNCLIFFE beliesed that no part of the country more required a change in this respect then Scotland. The bill was then read a second time. MR. ROBERT OWEN. Lord BROUGHAM, on presenting the petition from Mr. Robert O wen, said it contained views of • most benevolent and tolerant nature, and deprecated :he contest in France between the aristaeracy oral democracy. He (Lord Brougham) might tala. occasion to say that such a contest did not exist in this country ; in tact, he had never known less feeling on the subject in England, or republican senti ments at • lower discount than they w• re at this moment. He wished to know if there were any means of ascertaining the amount of Enilish capital Merced in foreign funds, foreign trade, and foreign works within the last Hileen or twenty Tears ? rho Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that government had no right to niter:ere in such matters, and the inquiry was no more within the reach of the government than of the noble and learned lord. GREAT YARMOUTH FREEMEN DISFRANCHISE MENT BILL. The Ern st DEVON moved that the house should go into committee on this bill. After a leer words from Lord RIWESDALE and the Max quis of LANSDOWNE, the but passed through committee, and was reported to the house. Their lordships then, at ten minutes after six o'clock, adjourned. HOUSE 1F COMMONS.—THURSDAT, JUNE S. The Sramcia took the chair at 4 o'clock. PHIVATE BUSINESS. REPORTS CONSIDELLED. Edinburgh and Northern Railway (Roacobie, Keltybeid, and Glencraig Branches, Av.); Fleetwood, Preston, and West Riding Junction Railway (Burnley and Colliery itrmthis) ; Glasgow, Paiidey, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (revi sion of maximum rots and charges or the Glasgow, ?amity, Kilmer. neck, and Ayr Railways) ; Londonderry and Uolerame Railway (de viation of line and afuelyilinent of act) ; Londonderry and Enniskillen Railway (relinquishment of line between Omagh and Enniskillen. Pc.) ; Newry and Enniskillen Railway ;amendment of acts, and to auttionse arrangements wits other eumpeules); North Staffordabire Railway (deviation at Willuigton); North St.ffortlithtre Railway (A-h. bourne Branch an I apprvech to Long:ewe sta:ion); Paialey, Barrliraid, sad Ibulet Railway; Balla. THIRD READlNUs.—Bristol and Exeter Railway (branch from Bleadon to Well., Glastonbury, and Street); Bristol and Exeter Rail way Taunton and Castle Cary branch); Leeds and Think Railway (ILirromitc and Paisley branch, ) ; Leads and Mink Railway (branch from Melnierby to Northallerton, and Junction with York and Newcastle Railway); London and Mackwall Railway (improve ment and brandies to the to. Katharine'. and London Duck.); Man chriler, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway ((lumber Ferries im provement at Mud and New Holland, Ac.); Midland Great We-tern Railway of Ireland .deriation ,inc nom Mullingar to Athlone) ; Ply mouth Great Western Dock Act Amendment; Billik LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED. Liverpool Docks (Erection of Warehouses and Conurucuon of New Works) Bill. ...... PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS. —By Mr. ;;;IZEl.l7ll,irom a plane in Smsland ; ana Mr. MORRIS, from a place in Wales; against the alteration ul the Navigation Lavr5.,....,„ . . SECOND kEADlNGS.—ltighways ; Common' Inclosure; Bills. CWlMlTTEES—Adroinistrstiun of Justice (Na. I and 2); Pro tection of ;Notices from Vexatious Actiosis; THIRD IthithiNG.-lAw of Entail ; Scotland) MIL GREAT NORTILERN RAILWAY (ISLE OF AX- HOLM BILL. Sir J. GRAHAM claimed the indulgence of the house while he said a few words in vindication of the character and conduct of a friend of his, formerly a member of that house— • gentleman of unblemished honour and integrity ; be meant Mr. alilnes, the father of the present hon. member for Pon tefract. In reference to the Northern Railway (Isle of Asholme) BA a printed statement had yesterday at the door of the house—nay, almost-within the house itself—been circulated and placed in the bands of members, containing against Mr. %Ines and the Rev. Mr. Neville (a gentleman who bad putchased an estate formerly belonging to the late Lord Spencer) as grave allegations of corruption and misconduct an could be imputed to any individual. It appeared to him that, under cover of dealing with a qurrion then pending in the house, serious libel. bad been circulated against those gentlemen. It was im putes to Mr. Milne& and Mr. Neville, that fur the corrupt purpose of obtaining further compensation for their lands they had got up an opposition to the bill in question, but which they did not afterwards proceed with, and, not content with taking a review of their conduct, the statement went on to al ege t..at on a former occasion the bill had then re jected by • majority of 178 to 34, and that this had been effected by the union of those two gentlemen with the Lon don and Yak Railway Company, and that by these means a packed majority had ben obtained. So that the docu ment impugned the conduct of those gentlemen—it im pugned the character of the house itself, by attri buting to it a packed majority—and it impugned all the railway interests which were rivals to the bill in question. Now, this was a great abuse, and a breach of the privileges of thy house. (Hear, hear.) Still, however, he did Lot wash to take any step in the motter fur ther than to deny on the part of Mr. Milnes that he had been actuated by any such motive as that attributed to him. (Hear, hear.) That gentleman had desired him (Sir J. Gra ham) to give this assurance to the house, and he now gave it in the most solemn manner. (Hear, hear.) Mr. M. MILNE:4 begged to substantiate all that the tight hon. baronet had ended. Mr. CHRItsTOPHER said that though be had charge of the 14:11 in tyres ion, he had n.,t referred at all to the docu ments complained of, to the vitraiiestimx of which, he begged to say, he bad not been a party. Sir R. 11. INGLIS thought, in justice to a very honour. able body of men practising as parliamentary agent*, that the house ought to be informed what were the names of the agents subscribed to this document; if this was not stated, the imputation of libellers would rest on the whole body when it ought to be confined to those who were parties to the pub lication. Lord GALWAY !mid it was probable that the solicitors to the till thought no more of the matter than the agent.. Mr. BRIGHT rose to order. The agents only acted nn the inxtructi .ns they received, and why, therefore, should their names he uivtn up. The defence which the right hon. baronet (Sir J Gorham) had made of the gentleman attacked ought to sati•fy the house and the country. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GItEENE concurred in what had fallen from the hon. member for Manchester. Mr. HUME said it was important that memben should be protected against tabehood and erroneola statements, and some means ought to be taken to prevent abuses such u that now exposed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. PATTEN said that the system of distributing papers in the house was carried on by ether persons than parliamentary agents. Lord GALWAY disclaimed, on the part of the Rev. Mr. Neville, the conduct imputed to that gentleman by the doers , ment now before the house, and which was without any printer's name. Sir J. GRAHAM said it was an anonymous publication, against which the gentlemen aggrieved could not take any proceedings out of the house ; and what made it still more offeasive was that the charges were made in the name of a great company (Hear, hear.) The SPEAKER said it was quite true, as stated by the hon. member tor Montrose, that certain regulations with re gard to parliamentary agents had been laid d• wn by the noble lord who had preceded him (the Speaker) in his pre sent position, and tho,e regulations went to permit the speaker to remove from has roll any party guilty of mi•con duct. Now, it the house could anopt a rule that no state ments should be circulated unless signed by some parlia mentary agent, the matter wouNi be unit( r its own control, and these anoaymous publications of gross misstatements would be put an end to. (`fear, hear.) The conversation then dropped. PAISLEY, BARRHEAD, ,‘ND HURLET RAILWAY On the motion for the further consideration of this bill, Mr. F. MACKENZIE took objection to the parlia mentary contract, mere than half the amount being signed for by four of the directors. He moved that the report 'koala be runts( r considered that day sin months. Mr. HUME said he had complained last session of the ir regular way in which the funds of this concern were sub scribed. The bill had been in consequence suspended. One of the parties subscribing the contract had subicribed, in this and other concerns, for 612,0001., and others for still larger sums. Mr. HOU VERIE said the bill had not been suspended for the reac•.n aimed, but on account of the existence of s• me agreement with a canal company, which wee contrary to public policy. The committee this year had reported that there was a bones dde intention to complete the line, and that tne undertiamg had . .ieen regularly prone).cd. Mr. Bailin, es est of tb• commithee last year, said that the mow is 'Mob See eestreet wee Mooed was one reams he eworiedhlft the MIL Mr. I. BM'CB, Jun., urged dot the lease should sup- port the deeisfea of the eassriMes of this session. To do otherwise alter the decides as the Scottish Midland on Tuesday would be the groseset inomehteney. After a few words iron Mr. Oswald, Mr. Henley, Mr. Elliot, and Mr. H. Drummond, The house divided— For the consideration of the report .... 86 Against it 35-31 Mr. BERNAL drew attention to clause 48 of the bil', which empowered another company to hold shares in this warmly, and which appeared to bun to contravene a former report. Alter a few words In explenatlon from Mr. Bouvaute, the report was received, and the bill was ordered to be en- Itromea• TIIE CURRENCY COMMITTEE. Sir F. T. BARINO brought up the report of the currency committee, lino moved that it should be printed. Mr. CAYLEY hoped that the discussion on this report would be postponed, at least until the debate on the naviga• lion laws had terminated. Sir F. T. BARING said the notation now was simply that the report should be laid on the table and printed; and he thought it was expedient that this should bu dune, at least some time before the discussion came on. Mr. CAYLEY said he must still prise the right hon. gentleman to ?osipone his motion. Mr. HUME was as anxious as any oae for a discussion on this subject, but thought it could not properly be pressed at this moment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was most desirable that the house and the cuumry should be put in possession of the report now brought up; for that pur. tonwasairn w o uld dethati nut shuoupos lelphee it. printed ; and he hoped the the hen. gentle ma n Mr. CAYLEY thought that no delay could possibly take place from postponing the motion. The SPEAKER then put the motion for bringing up the report, which was agreed to, as was also the motion that it should be printed. Mr. HUME hoped the evidence would alro be printed along with it. Sir F. T. BARING said that the evidence of the proceed. logs would form part of the report. THE LATE DISTURBANCES IN BISHOP BONNER'S FIELDS. • - • • • - Mr. 0. THOM to put question to the right hon. gentleman the Secretary for the Heine Deportment, of which I gave him notice yesterday ; and in doing so 1 will crave the indulgence of the house while I state the nature of the question, and my reasone for putting it. Toe SPEAKER—The hon. gentleman must confine him self to the nature of the question he hat to put. Mr. THOMPSON—I desire to ask the right hon. gentle man whether he le in possession of info, motion Irons any quarter alleging that, on Sunday last, the 4th inst., certain outrages ogre committed upon peaceable, loyal, and unol fending individuals, in the neighbourhood of the Tower Hamlets ? I put that question because I hold in my hand the testimony of more than GO witnesses—all, I have reason to believe, respectable, all following decent occupations, many of them respectable inhabitants and shopkeepers in the Tower Hamlets; their testimony is consistent and concur rent, and it amounts to this, that many uuprovoked out• revs were perpetrett d by the police, not merely in Bishop Bonner 's-fields, but in some cases at a great distance, and, in one case, more than a mile from the scene where the chartist meeting took place; and they allege that, unless the govern ment should institute • searching inquiry into all the facts of the case, and adopt measures for the prevention of similar outrages in future, there will be a large amount of dissatis faction created in the minds of the people of that neighbour. hood. In putting this question to the right hon. baronet I beg to assure him and toe house that I have no sympathy with violent language, none with disloyalty or disaffection, and that I have now brought the matter before him and the house from a desire to meet the wit hes of a large portion of my constituents, who, unsolicited, have placed in my hands that large amount of evidence which deer] yes the at tention of her Majesty'. geeeeemees, and weice. I am 'Hue will have it, when they are in possession of the facts white; have come to my knowledge. 1 beg to ask the right hon. Bart. it he has net rev iced similar information to that which I have had, and whether he intends to adopt any measures to ascertain the truth of these statements, and whether there is any real fourstlati n for the charge brought by these indivi duals atainst the police on the occasion I have referred to ? Sir O. GREY—Toe hon. gentleman having yesterday given me notice that he intended to-day to ask me whether I had received from the Tower Hamlets and the neighbour. hood of Bethnal-green, complaints of unprovoked sttaeks of the police on the peaceable and unuffending subjects of her Majesty, I am enabled to come down to the house with that evidence which I stated on a &truer occasion I should be able to lay before the house, with reference to the question which the hon. gentleman has now asked me. (Hear, hear.) I will first answer his question. I have received complaints respecting the conduct of the p -lice on that ea-talon. At leant a letter has been add-esed to me, dated June .5, signed, " William Higgins, of 1, Adelphi-terrace,Victoria Park, Bon. cow's-fields," in which the writer states it to be his opinion and he alleges that there is but one opinion amongst all the inhabitants of that neighbourhood, " that the conduct of the police was the most brutal and barbarous ever beheld." To that letter there is a postscript, signed by seven individuals, expressing the desire of the parties that my attention should Ise directed to the Glove statement. I may, tht tefore, assume that this charge assigned by eight individuals, and supported by some specific statement. I may also state, lest I should afterwards be charged with not alluding to the fact, that I have to-day received a letter which, tans not Pure, does refer to the complaints intended to be made agsinst the police ; but it is signed " James Fox, of Onevenor-place, York street, Bethnal-gisen ;" and the writer states that he has a memorial to present to me respecting the conduct of the poli T, and wishing me to appoint a time when I can receive a deputation of three inhabitants who are desirous of waiting upon me with it. What the nature of that memorial may be I do not know ; but I think it possible that it may relate to the matter the hon. gentleman has referred to. Since I came into the house, I have had a letter put into my hand, from an individual who states that he writes on behalf of a com mittee of inhabitaet householders who have been appointed to investigate the cases of alleged outrage by the police, but he does not communicate to me that they have yet received any evidence about those cases. That is the whole substance of the complaints which I have received respecting the conduct of the police; sad none of the evi dence which the hon. gentlemen says is in his possession has been communicated to me ; nor have I received any thing detracting from the merit which I feel is justly due I to the police fur their conduct on that occasion. (Hear ) I feel that I should be guilty of an act of very great injustice towards the police, and should leave the house under a most erroneous impression, were I to confine myself to a pimple answer to the statement of the hon. gentleman. Sir, I have received an accumulated mass of evidence of n contrary nature—(hear, hear)—evidence showing the nature of the meetings held in Bonner's-fields and Victoria-park on last Sunday ; 'homing that, so far from the conduct of the police being unprovoked, or that any unnecessary interference took place with the people or-enabled on that occasion, they could not act otherwise than they did act, under the tonduct of their officers, and with a Garin seance as well as firmness of which I have received the most ample testimony from numerous disinterested parties, in repressing an attack which was wantonly made upon them—an attack destructive of property and dangerous to the liven of other partite,. (Hear.) It is notorious to the house that these meetings have been held lately in different parts of the metropolis, and have led to disorder, tumult, and disturbance, amounting to an intolerable n eisance, and inter fering with the daily avocation. of the peaceably disposed. Under these circumstances, having reason to suppose that a meeting of this character would be held in Victoria-park on Sunday last, the commissioners of police, under my direction, placed a considerettde additional force of police in that neighbourhood. The instructions they gave to the four inspectors who had charge of the body of police employed on that occasion were—that the police was to be prep teed to act immediately if any disturbance or breach of the peace occurred at the meeting in Bonner's-fields; but that en long as the meeting watt peaceable, and during the day, the police were not to interfere. The superintendents were reminded of the printed notices and cautions distri buted on the 311th and 31st of May, relating to process-ions, which were ale it prohibited; and the police were directed not to allow them to take place. The illegality of meetinot held at unsemonable hours was also pointed out ; their attention was called to that part of their instructions; and they were told that if this meeting continued until after dark it should be required, as other meetings had been, to separate. Now, sir, I have here the report from one of the inspectors with regard to this meeting. Re Butter A meetingof the Irish confederates wok place on Sunday last, at three o'clock. In Victoria-park, and another meeting of chartists, in Bonner'n-fields at five o'clock, Inspector Waller, with a body of police, was stationed in St. James's diatriet church, about 150 yards from the pl ice of meeting, but the police were kept from the slew of the persona present cat the meeting, so as not to excite the same, except In earn of necemity. I wan In different parts of the field, inconsequence of the unfitness fur duty -f Mr. May, the superintendent, who had been stabbed in the leg on the previous Wednesday, at the disturbance on elerkenvrell-green. (Hear, hear.) It wen suspected that a great number of those who attended the meet ing would come armed, as In fact their leaders at several previous meetings had advired them to do. The latter meeting was attended by about 3,0 0 0 person• of all description.,; all appeared perfectly quiet until 25 minutes to 7 o'clock, when it broke up. Inspector Waller had been to one side of the field to receive instruction, from me. on returning he raw 400 or 500 persons throwing stones at the windows of the church, and os peeing him the mob ralred a rhout of execration, There's the inspector, give It him." A volley of s em e n was immediately thrown at him, and several struck him In venous parts of the body. Stones were also thrown at the windows of the church, which were completely destroyed. ma men who had been stationed Inside the church were then brought out ; they acted with perfect steadiers, and the people were called on to disperse quietly. They answered with another &scheme of stones, which struck [several men ; the whole body of police were then called forward, and directed to clear the men from the field, which was done with much difficulty. . . . . They were finally all cleared off. Information had been sent at the commencement, desiring reinforcements. A eergesint and men pollee mostaelee were wounded; many others WIN NMI& ; and five were rendered unfit for duty. Eleven penman were appre hended; two for smaulting the police. Now, sir, I have • great number of letters which have been received from individuals resident in the neighbour. bourhood, which fully corroborate the statements made by the inspector of police ; amongst others from the IL v. Mr. Houlton, the incumbent of S. George's Church, and from Mr. Curtis, the superintendent of Victoria-park. I will not trouble the house with all those letters, but I will just refer to Mr. lioulton's statement, who has not complained ctrtainly of the misconduct of the police, but who makes complaint, the justness of which I cannot dens', of the great danger and inconvenience which result from ihe police not interfering earlier and more effectually. (Hear, hear.) He says : I beg to slate that yesterday (Sunday) afternoon, a very large chartist meeting, amounting to some 7,00 , . persons, was held in front of ht. James's Church. The whole neighbourhood was kept In a state zeiteinent Mau three,. Atk to ruilt-miu nine. A body 01 police amounting to about o.eu were in the neighbourhood. . . . - . . present ilrerting of the navigation laws, and of their awn mantes %stem of proteetkon, that as no mount world they changewas them. Such the stridence or coa lt:. .Daalt and others bean thel oostatittee '• In fact, Mr. Rubor stated that the American had a direst advantage over an Eo merchastrnan in a foreign port under the present. na vigat ion laws of both nations. Al far as the heavy bulky ern et which come fro the shores of the Baltic, the navigation laws conferred no advantage whatever upon England. But he was ready to admit that any advantage derived by the abolition of those laws to the commerce and shipping of the country would be very dearly' purchased by any diminution in the number of seamen. It was from the commercial navy of England that the country derived her chief strength at sea. The great supply of men for the British navy must always come from the mer chant service. Having endeavoured, very feebly he wall I aware, to combat the reasons of Ili, right hon, friend against going into committee, he ahould content himself with expressing his firm belief that the contemplated change would be productive of good and not of harm to the commercial navy and the general intereeta of England. One remark he must, however, make to that was, what hope could be intermitted of making any progrt as in the proposed bill, which was to be founded on the resolution, unless the government would consent to lay upon the table of the house ttm entire measure with all its details. If that were not done, how could people be prepated to discuss it when the house went into commit tee on the bill in the middle of I uly, for that was the earliest time at which it could reach the committee stage. lie must, however, object to the power that it was proposed to reserve of suspending the operation of the bill by the agency of an order in council, in awe the American legislature should re fuse rr delay to agree to carry into t fleet the promises made by Mr. Bancroft in the letter read by the right hon. gentle, man opposite. Such a power was not constitutional, and ought not to be vested in any government. The right hon. 'intone concluded by expressing his intention of voting for :he committee. Mr. CAItOW ELL imid that the hon. member for Stamford proposed, by a preliminary motion, to puta stop at once to all attempts at inquiry. For that reason alone lie (Mr. Cardwell) must oppose the right hon. member's motion. Ile could not conceive that •hipowuers or seamen had any reason to appre. bend the competitt•.n of foreigner+ provided that in all things they were put on terms of fair ■od perfect equality. What were the true elements of maritime suc k as? Natural aptitude end hardihood in the people, and the possession of a Large amount of capital (Hear, hear.) Now, what country in the word would bear a comoarison with the on either points (Hear, he►r ) The right hon. member fur Stamford had said that in merely taking this question into considenftion we were endangering sixty millions of capital. Wu there any other country in the world that hod the same amount engaged in shieping ( hear, hear). And with such a capital what need we fear from com petition ? (Hear, hear.) lie had been told by men of con . side rable cape rienee, that ship building was so cheap in the Adriatic, and the sailors so hardy, as to make competition in that quarter an object of alarm. But he looked to the port 01 Trieste, and he did not see in the accounts of British ere there any ground for apprehension. He had heard also that competition was to be apprehended from the Baltic; but it he looked to our trade with Russia, or the position maintained by British shipping in the free port of Hamburg, he saw little cause tor apprehension in either quer ter. Ile found that our shipping had hren gradually in creasing. '1 he tonnage entering the pent of Liverpool, which in Dilti was 612,000 tons, wa■ in 1841, 2,819,000 tons, and of that increase two-thirds was British shipping. We were greatly Weld of America, but it would appear that some parties in that country reciprocated one alarm. Ile held in his hand a document —a protectionist document—heing an address delivered to the American Institute by Mr. O. Tule mull', who, he presumed, might be called the George Fred. rick Young of America. Speaking of British tonnage Mr. Tollemsche said, that the British tonnage en tering the Slates was, in 1830, 87.281 tons, but it had in 183.5 increased to 529.92'2 tons. On these astonishing facts being communicated, Congress remarked that the existence of such a trade, under such circurnstai.cee, was a remarkable commentary on their (the American) want of sagacity in the administration of their commercial concerns, and made a : owerful appeal to the government to take some steps • so as to prevent the traffic of the States being made subservient to the interests of the British colonies. (clear, hear.) It would a pear then that protectionist apprehensions wire nut peculiar to this country•, and it was some conifert to know that in our competition with American., the latter, even in their own country, hod no great grounds for exultation. (Hear, hear.) By another report uf Con gress, he found that the whole registered tonnage of the United States was, in 1815, h. 51 (100 tens. In 1818 it had gone down, and sus only 606,000. In 1846 it again rue, and was 1,130,000 tone. What had been the increase in the registered tonnage of Great Britain in the meatitime ? In 1821 it wu 2,500,000 tons; in 1846 it was 3,800,000. (firer, hear.) But from the American increase something must be deducted for the fisherirs. The house was swats that in war time no American vessels were em ployed in the fisheries, but on the estahlishme•nt of peace they again made their appearance; and it would appear, if we deducted the m from the whole tonnage, there had been no iecreaset in American tonnage since 181.5. (Bear, hear.) The right honourable member for Oxford had, in the course of his powerful speech, read the declaration of British shipowners in 1833, complaining of their prospects, and bad shown by subsequent returns how little real cause there was for fear. Ile ( Mr. Cardwell) would refer to the mmmati•e of 1833, for the purpose of c►lling the attention of the boo e to the evidence given by Mr. Aiken • of Liverpool, • most extensive shipowner. Mr. Aiken admitted that there was then some distress among the shipping interest, but did not attribute it to the reciprocity treaties, the then subject of apprehension. He was then asked whether, it the reetric tiolll were removed, be would prefer building his ships abroad. His answer wan, no; there would be nothing saved, as he should require different articles, which must he brought from different and distant places. Mr. Aiken then prom ded to show that the removal of the timber duties would be • great boon to shipowners, and pointed out that, if they were abolished, Liverpool and not Bremen would be the ' emporium of ship-building. He • concluded by ob• serving that he did not fear anything from competition. The question that now arose wu whether the measure of the government was calculated to effect the objects for which i. w..■ brought forward. lie agreed with his right hen. friend that this was not the time to enter into the details of the measure; at the same time there were some of the pro visions which, as they appeared on the face of it, it was very difficult to reconcile with the principles and policy of Mr. Iluskisson. For instance, while the right hon. gentleman laid it down that the British shipowner was to enter into fair and equal competition with the shipowners of all the world, he imposed upon them an obligation as to the man ning of ships from which those with whom they would have to compete were free. Again, with regard to the building of ships in the Baltic and elsewhere they were told that the shipowner would be allowed to build his ships where be could do so at the cheapest rate, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not told them that he was about to make any semi ar prop. "Won with regard to the import of foreign timber—and if he unde•ntood the proposition aright, the result would be that the raw material of the ships was still to be subject to a high duty, while the manufactured ships were to be admitted free. Then the right hon. gen tleman proposed to exempt the coasting trade—not that it was a matter of any great importance, ►ut because of the alarm that a Dropout for opening that trade would occasion. It world have been well had the r. itht hon. gentlemen suc ceeded in preventing alarm, but he believed that the pro posed, he had brought forward had created very great con sternation amongst those interested in the shipping trade, and that the exemption of the coasting trade had had no effect whatever in preventing it. The general feeling was that if they were going to establish freedom at all, they should have looked for freedom from America in regard to the coasting trade. These were the tenons why his right honourable friend had urged on the govern. ment to introduce measures in the way of reciprocity instead of in the way of retaliation. He was surorieed that no member of the government had as yet risen to answer his right hon. friend's speech in that respect. (Hear, hear.) lie wished to impress on minieters how it was that they would fail in obtaining freedom and equality from the manner in which their proposition was brought forward. The hon. member for Westbury, referring to the tariff pre ' vious to the year 1816, said " If you proceed on the princi pies of reciprocity you will be making a retregrade step, for the principle you then laid down was, that you would pay no regard to what other nations did, but that you would do what was right in regard to commerce, and leave ether OM, tries to follow your example or not as they pleased. That Was, without doubt, the principle then laid down as to im ports generally, ■od it was the correct one, for, if you took the raw material of other countries, it was evident they must take your manufactured goods in return—but the same rule did not imply to shipping—for the same ship which brought the raw material from the Baltic would talee hack the goods which were to pay for it ; and if the countries from which the raw material came maintained an artificial system of protection against our free system of trade in the matter of cal nage it must tend to their advantage and our disadvantage. In this respect mi nisters were departing from the principle laid down by Mr. Huskieson. It appeared to him that the same reason which prevented their proceeding in the way of reciprocity should prevent their proceeding in the way of retaliation ; and he hoped some member of the government would explain how it was that the obstacle in the way of reciprocity was not equally an obstacle in the way of retaliation in regard to those countries to which we were bound by the most.fa- Toured nation-clause. lie, however, believed that the en gine' intention of ministers was to proceed in the way of reciprocity, and that that was, in effect, the demand made by Prussia and by America through Mr. Ban croft; and from the noble lord's (Palmerston) letter in answer to the demand of that gentleman, he had a right to assume that that was the way in which the noble lord proposed to proceed, and not in a way in which, while certain dangers were incurred under the retaliation clause, we shut ourselves out from availing ourselves of the advantage we might obtain from reciprocity. His right hon. friend (Mr. Herne.) invited him, having those feelings, to join in throwing an obstacle in the way of the bill. Ho would state why he could not. In the first place, he must ►e allowed to say that his right hon. friend's proposition ap peared to him to be very vague and indefinite ; and then the evidence Wien before the navigation committee, and his own experience when a member of the government, proved to him the, the existing navigation' lure not only were full of absurdities and anomalies, but in many instances actually in jurious to the British shipowner. And with regard to the fear of foreign competition, it was a libel on the British name to say thst we were not able to compete on equal terms with any nation in the world. What the legislature ought to do was to secure fair play and free companion—let there be effectual freed - tti and unlimited means of intercourse, and the greatcet amount of advantage would then be conferred on British shipping and British trade. He bad only further to express a hope that such • settlement of this question might be effected during the presen. session as should secure this Important intermit against injudkions changes for the future, and plates it on a fins and satialsetory footing, The CHANCELLOR of die EXCHEQUER agreed that this was not the proper time to discuss the details of the government measure. He could not understand on what geaeral grounds the measure could be opposed, unless it was to be contends , ' that it was advantageous to this country that we should enhance the price of those ar ticles we required for our manufactures. As to danger to the shipowner, it was a fact, that wherever we were on terms of fair and equal competition, we could com pete successfully with any country in the world. The same might might be said of the shipbuilder. We built ships as cheaply as America or any other country, and there was no r neon why, it the trade w, re thrown open, we should not be able to compete with other nations. He did not agree with the hon. gentleman that it wax neat wary, in order to' enable us to do so, to remove the timber duties. It had been abundantly proved in the deba e that even with those duties we were able to compete with the shipbuilders of every other cuuntrv. The hon. gentleman also adverted to the incitation given us by America and Prussia to relax our navigation limo. Surely Proton had a right to demand from us the same advantages she conferred; and as fur the United States we would clearly be gainers by the proposed change; fat at present they had the advantage over us in the carrying trade. If the system of restriction were adopted, he believed that we would lose much more than Prussia, into whose ports, in 184 G, there entered no less than 2,000 1.1 h ships. Our colonial trade stood upon a ditlerent footing, and it was proposed to relax the restrictions on it, with a view not to our own benefit, but that of the colonies themselves. (The hon. gentleman entered into , ome details to prove these po sitions, bat in so rapid and indietinet a manner, and amidst so much noise in the house, as to render it impossible to col lect them with accuracy., With regard to reciprocity treaties he admitted that much might be said in their favour. The ministry thought at one time that they would be the moat convenient mode of proceeding ; but the more the government hail looked into the question, and considered its difficulties, the more they felt satisfied that it would not ; and they slowly, but with conviction, ar rived at the conclusion, that it would be better to legislate upon general principles, reserving to themselves in special cases, the power of retaliation. But, in reference to Ame rica and Prussia and the northern powers, who were, after all, the competitors feared, if they threw open their ports to us, we ought to throw open ours to them. Under the exist ing law, any foreign ship had the power to warehouse goods in a British port; but the power of removing them for consump tion depended upon their coming in British ships ; so that it a foreign ship lodged a cargo of Indian corn in one of our warehouses, it could not, even in case of famine, he taken out, without an order in council, and such orders had frequently been issued. Ile might refer to msny instances in which similar relax* (ions of the law had been made by orders in council ; and this proved that the proposition now made by the govern. ment to retain the power of the Queen in council to impose coun'ervailing duties was not new in the legislation of thin country. These powers had been retained in the statute .59 Otis. 111., the 4 & 5 Geo. IV., and the 8 & 'J Vic., chap. 90. The statute 4 & 5 Geo IV.presented a case precisely in point; end it had been strictly followed in the present proposal. From 1817 up to 1822 the United States of America were not allowed by law to trade to the B h Vint India colonies; but such American states as were then de pendencies of European powers might so trade. In 1822, how ever, an act pawed which fur the first time allowed American ships generally to trade to the colonies. The concession by the 15th section of the act of 1822 enabled the K iog in council to prohibit, if he so thou. ht fit, by or ders in council, the vessels of any one of the American states to trade with the colonica, if those states did not admit British vessels to trade from their ports to the West Indies. On this the Americans imposed tonnage dues on British shine, and in consequ. nce the power., of the act of 1522 were increased by an act paned in 1823, which enabled this coun try to impose additional tonnage duties not only on Ameri can ships, but also on the goods brought In those ships to the West Indies. Three powers were further increased by the act of 1824, and these powers had been aced upon with suc cess, and eventually in 1827 or 1828 the trade and vessels of the two countries had been placed upon an equal foot leg. This showed the advantage of retaining amidst the concessions now proposed, the powers hereto fore kept, and which it wee wlvienble to keep, in order to exercise it, should any exceptional case arise. As there would lie many future opportunities afforded him, he would not now go further into the question than to say that with all his old Admiralty experience, he could not admit that the proposition of the government would have an injurious effect with regard to the manning the British navy. On the contrary, be believed there would always be an ample supply to meet any demand, and that, as hereto fore, the military marine of this country would continue to be superior to that of any other nation in the world. Sir C. BURRELL should vote for the proposition made by his right hen. friend near him (Mr. Berries.) Mr. DISRAELI l after a long pause, during which the cries for a dirt-ion were general, and after strangers had been ordered to withdraw) rose and said that he understood that several host. members who wished to take part in the debate had left the house, in the expectation that it would be ad beurned lie should do his best to enable those hon. mem rs to fulfil the. ir intentions, by now moving that the debate be adjourned. Lord J. RUSSELL said he confessed be was sorry the de bate should be further protract., ; but he hoped, if it was now adjourned. it would be on the understanding that it would be brought to a conclusion to-morrow (this day). If not, he should, instead of moving that the house adjourn fur the Whitsuntide holidays, be compelled to move its adjourn ment to Monday next. The motion for the adjournment of the debate until to ' morrow (this day) was then put and agreed to. PUBLIC HEALTH BILL. Lord MORPETH moved the further consideration of the report of this hill, hut Mr. HENLEY objected to its proceeding at that late hour, especially as several hon. members, including the hon. ■nd learned member for Coventry (Mr. 0. Turner), who had left the how*, had new clauses to propose. Lord MORPETH said those clauses could be di'cumed on the third reading, which he did not propose to take until after the Whitsuntide recess. After • short conversation, in whi.h the Attorney-Gene ral, Sir H. Willoughby, and Mr. Walpole took part, Lord MORPETH consented to postpone the tur:her con ridmation of the bill till this day. Mr. WYLD asked whether it was the intention of the noble lord, after giving up the smoke prevention clauses of this bill, to adopt the bill for that purpose which had been brought into th • other house by Lord Redesdale ? Lord MORPETH said he was not prepared to say that he would adopt the whole of the clauses of that bill. Wawa Ms 'gate e( th is. was allowed to Wawa with tha nob began to throw eter4 d Uneesiggreller. Awl he ea balitialt, ' me di ***Mir' of l eazik4 this par' . hot a "4 !° Ilio an aim, mad ?" eat, tear.) Sir, i hold ilk hand no lass tan ei -one loiters Ingo' diff lithallalata 'of that d' t, with which, iof mane, I sun not trouble the house—every one bearirg concurrent testimony to 'the inconvenience resulting from the.. meetings, and to the forbear's*, and THE E PRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 9, 1848. *lmam of the police. (Rear.) And Ma la the beet an swer to the statement in the letter which has been addressed to au—that there is but one opinion in the district as to the median of the police. (Cheers.) Although there may be some individuals who make different representations, I think it in the almost unanimous feeling throughout that harlot that the police only acted en that occasion in the discharge of their duty, in a way which entitles them to the highest praise. (Cheers.) I would beg to refer the boo. gentle ness to the reports of proceedings at the police-otHces—espe dolly that of Worship-street—as to the real character of this misting at lionner's fields. (Hear.) Ile will there find nistnsnts verified upon oath, by which 20 persons have been committed, for violent assaults upon the police on that occasion, to take their trial at the Central Criminal Court. I will only ask the hon. gentleman to refer to these police re ports; he will there NO whether there is any reasonable inch as to the correctness of the substance of the reports I have received from the inspectors, and which bare been con firmed to me by many most respectable inhab•tants. (Hear, beer.) This very day I received a deputation of gentlemen, many of them magestestes, from Ilackney, who brought with them a loyal address to the Queen, and a tender of their mulcts in the mom cordial manner to assist in preserving the peace. 01111 of them told me that he was present, and saw the transactions which took place in Victoria Park on Sundry last. Ile was ready to give the same testimony ea to the conduct of the police; and, with reference to the notice that bad been given on this subject, had it been longer, I have no doubt those testimonies might have been multiplied to an indefinite extent. (liner.) I have also received a memorial to day from the inhabitants of houses near Bishop lionner's Fields, complaining that, for a lengthened period, a•reent- Wages have been held there on the Sabbath-day, fur the dis cussion of political and other topics, by which the public peace has been endangered. They say that the meeting, generally c enlist of young persons, embracing large number. of both seers; that speeches of a moat inflammatory nature are made, tending to subvert ord. r and destioy loyalty ; that the memorialists view with alarm the rnanifeat desire of the people to continue these meetings, mid refer to the painful menu of Bunchy afternoon lase, when property was destrot eel, and a great portion of the inhabitmets were pre vented leering their houses to attend their places of worship, or enjoying the benefit of Victoria Park, which has been see liberally provided by the government for the use eef the people at large, and especially the inhabitants of that dis trict. Alter stating that they are in dread of violence and Woodshed, and live in a state of great alarm from the conti nuance of these meetings, they proceed earnestly to desire that these meetings may be suppressed, whereby public confidence will be restored, and that extensive and popular district resume its wonted peaceful aspect. (Hear, hear.) That, sir, is the substance of the answer which I have to give as to the information which her reached me, connected with the parties making an attack on the police. I will wily say, with tele recce to those statements which the hon. g.mtleman says he is 'n possession of, the' the name remedy is open to the parties who make those sin entente and who are capable of proving town, as is open to the police. (Hear, bear.) The right hon. gentlemen then read a notice on the part art the householders inciting complaints against the police, if any I.IICII could ice made, with a view of taking proceedings against them if necessary; but (continued the right hurt. gentleman) not one com plaint, aster us I have been able to learn, has been made of any unwarrantable aggression on the part of the police. (Hear. hear.) 1 must my, however, that the police courts, and not the House of Commons, are the places where ouch matter. may be most properly brought. (Hear, hear.) I can only say that there is no wish to interfere with meetings legally and constitutio•ally convened ler the discussion of any subject—(hear, hear)—but these meetings are of an entirely different character, and the discussion of grievances ie used as a mu.• pretext. (Meer, hear.) In delete nee to the general wish of the inhabitants, the police hay.• rec. ived orders to give that protection to life and property which the circumstance of thecae, may require. (Hear, hear.) NAVIGATION LAWS—ADJOURNED DEBATE. Sir J. WALSH was surprised that no attempt bad teen made or. Friday night to answer the able and convincing speech of his bun. and learned Ire rid the member for White haven. It seemed to hieu that the government could not have chosen a worse time for introducing a speculative measure like the present, whilst the continental states were in each confusion. Was this • proper time for them to try such rash and doubtful theories? Ile would advise them to wait at all events till th. y knew what would be the result of the storm. If they had foreseen whet had since occurred in the states of Europe he did not believe the government would have introduced such a measure. The promoter. of this measure were altosether mistaken in their sanguine hut Utopian views, that wars would no longer exist, and that they were to have a universal peace. Ile cautioned the house to pause before they pasted a measure which wound weaken the foundation on which the naval supremacy of England rutted (Hear.) Mr. MACGREGOR consul, red the result which the opponents of the resolutions predicted from an alteration in the navigation laws to be at variance with all experience. They believed that it the measure was sanctioned by parlia ment the inevitable cons. quence would be the ruin at their shipping interest, and the toted extinction of their maritime power. He was wholly sceptical with respect to any ouch consequence ; and hail examined the question on its prin ciples. Ile investigated the facts wish regard to the shipping interest of other countries; and he could not fired a powle one which would lead him to the conclusion with which they were threatened by the opponents of the mum*. On the contrary he belleved the ritect of the hill, coupled with the measures of commercial freedom pissed by the right hon. gentleman (See R. Peel), would be to make the ports and docks of the United Kingdom the greatest emporium that ever existed for the produce of the world. (Hear, hear.) It was said that their maritime prosperity and naval grandeur were concurrent with and caused by the navigation laws, from the period when they were parted by that morn ruler to whom they denied a niche in their place of Weseminster. He admitted the concurrence, but he denied the cause. Their affinity, so far as prosperity was in question, was lik the affinity which existed between the Pyramids and the Mullet , / of the banks of the Nile. Those who insi.ted on the dependence of their naval power on the navigation laws would discover that their naval power exceeded that of any other country before the exemence of these laws. Without going so far hack as the time of Alfred, he would mention that a vic tory had been pined over the French fie tin the time of Edward 111.; in 1371, the English fleet destroying 15 French vessels; in 1416, the Duke of Bedford, who commanded the English fleet, defeated 500 ships in the Channel ; in 111.5. they destroyed the Dutch fleet; again in 1512, they beat the Dutch fleet; in 1545, they defeated the French fleet ; and in 16.53, the Duke of York beat the Dutch ft. et, when it was impossible that the navigation laws, which ponied in 1651, could have had ar y effect. Other countries had no naviga tion laws at all, and yet they had a great naval force. 11 1. land had the greatest difficulties to contend with, but with out the aid of navigation laws she became a considerable ma ritime power, whilst Spain, with vest advantages derived from her West Indian possessions and the mien of Mexico, and with a code of maritime and commercial laws of the most stringent character, had Met her naval strength. He believed that at the present moment Holland was conniderahly stronger u a naval power than Spain and Portugal together Se should apprehend no danger whatever from the repeal of these laws. He did net believe British shipping had ever suffered in consequence of relaxation. .t' hen the house went into committee on these resolutions he should brirg forward statistics in proof of his position. As representative of the larg , st ship-building constituency but one in the em pire, he should give the measure his support in the meat per fect confidence that it would be acceptable to his constituents. Mr. W. MILES had lierned to the last speak. r with very great astonishment. lie had expected very different arguments from him, knowing the amount of study he had given to the subject; but he had not liesrd one single argument of any weight in proof of his position that these laws ought to be repealed. What was the state of the question now he Ears the house ? The house had appointed a committee of inquiry ; that committee , had made no report. A committee, , however, was now sitting in the Howe ei L'MIN. It was re ceiving evidence which was not accessible to the House of Commons. That evidence would go far to prove the inadvi liability of this measure. Mr. MOODY, liter much consideration of the subject, had satisfied his mind that some materiel chang s were re mealy in our navigation law., and he should therefore sup port the original motion before the house. Sir O. CLERK ssid that it was quite clear to his mind that some change in the navigation laws was requisite, and he could not therefore support an amendment which was equivalent to a declaration on the part of the house that no change whatever was called for. Him. gentlemen who sup ported the amendment 'pile of our navigation laws as I f some venerable edifice, who h came pi rfect froin the hand of its architect; whereas, in pilot of simple fact, this edifice had been undergoing, almost from the period of its construc tion, constant alterations and remodelling', which, however, still left ample room and verge for further and more effective changes. One thing was manifest, that none of the artiste who had, from time to time, revised the work, had acted upon any distinct or comprehensive plan, for the details were disfigurod by the most glaring discrepancies and contradic. lions, all of them more or less calculated—some of them emi nently so—to impede our prospects as a canying nation, and our general commercial prosperity. (Hear, hear.) lie repudiated altogether the alarm which hon. gentlemen expressed of the competition, under a change of the law, of foreign ships, particularly as regarded their tonnage, with our own, in the carrying trade. Even as it was, with all the reetric. tions and impediments under which our present system placed us, we competed with the foreigner auccessfully—one third of the entire tonnage that passed into the Baltic was British—and oar success would of course, to his mind, be still more complete when these restrictions were removed. Competent evidence proved that even as to the victualling if our ships, the facilities afforded to masters of vessels by the late changes in our tariff, and by allowing them to obtain provisions out of bond, had reduced the cost of this item fully 30 per cent., and placed us very nearly on an equality practically on a com plete equality —in this respect with the steps of any European country. The same proposition ap• plied with almost equal force to the construction of vessels. Having quoted the evidence of Mr. Murray, Mr. Boerne', and Captain Briggs, in order to show the superiority of foreign over British seamen, the right hon. gentleman proceeded: With respect to the effect produced by the navigation laws upon the commerce and shipping of the -country the results, as far as America was con cerned, would be shown by undeniable figures to he a loss to linglane, more particularly in regard to the carrying trade. He had heard it said that tne Americans so wet: liked the HIGHWAYS BILL. Sir G. GREY, in moving the second reading of this bill, said he had made some alteration in it which would remove an objection that was made to it on the first reading. Mr. HENLEY hoped a distant day would he fixed for the committee, in order that the bill might be well considered by the country. Mr. FREWEN thought that • better bill might be framed if the matter were referred to • select committee. The duties of the district surveyors to be created by this bill, would be as well discharged by the county magistrates. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY said the power of borrowing money on mortgage of the rates was • dangerous power. Sir G. GREY said the bill contained such a power; but under the rroper regulations. Sir W. JOLLIFFE strongly objected to the clause which gave the power of apportioning rates amongst several parishes. Alter • few worth from Mr. BANXES, the bill was read a sr cond time. DUTIES ON SPIRITS. The CIIANCELEGitJf the LXCHEQI ER said that early in the session he had announced his intention of in troducing two measures for the sake of removing some of the restrictions imposed by the existing 'ache laws on spirits ; and he would take this opportunity of doing so, that the bills miabt be considered at Whitsuntide. As these were ireasures almost entirely of relaxation, he hoped they would afford satisfaction to the parties interested. The t ties on atone bottles, sweets, auctions,glsu, vinegar, and tiles, had been repealed; those on paper and soap had been reduced; and a considerable relaxation had been made in the laws affecting malt, paper, bricks, and other articles. The beneficial effect which had resulted from these changes was but shown by the marktd decrease which had taken place in the number of excise prosecutions. In 1832 there were 4309 excise informations heard before magistrates ; in 1847 the number was 1,0 , 88: being a diminution of 2,621. Before the excise commissioners, in 1932, 974 cases were heard; in 1847, 206: being a diminution of 768. The information; in the Exchequer amounted, in 1842 (only live pars ago), to 18:1; in 1847 to 74 ; being a diminution of 109. This showed that the laws were administered with as much consideration as possible. The bills he had now to introduce referred only to spirits. The first related to warehousing spirits without payment of duty, both for home consumption and exportation. In England this was not permitted, but it was in Scotland and Ireland ; the first bill would put the English distillers on the same footing. It would also give the Scotch distiller power to warehouse his spirits without payment of duty in any part of the kingdom. As to spirits for exportation, the present law gives an undue advantage to the foreign trade. A Dutch distiller might warehouse his spirits here, take them out when he thought proper, and then export them to our colonies. lie therefore proposed to give the home distiller the power of warehousing rectified, but not swetened, spirits. It was impossible to allow the spirits to be sweetened before they were put into bond, but they might be sweetened in bond. The only exports of spirits took place from Scotland, from which 90,000 gallons were exported. He proposed to allow spirits for home consumption to be equally bonded in the three countries. With regard to spirits for export he proposed to allow them to be bonded in the Customs ware houses, but in that cue they must be exported, and could not be taken out for home consumption. So far as related to the first bill. The second measure related to the present system of permit survey. In conformity with the report of the Commissioners of Excise inquiry, who stated that the permit system was attended with great inconveniences without any corresponding advantage, he proposed to re serve to the Board of Excise the power of examining spirits in stock of in hand only in circumstances which would jus tify a suspicion of fraud. He proposed to relieve the spirit dealer from the necessity of permits, and from the survey of the excise officers. They would, however, be required to keep certain accounts of stock, and to send a certificate signed by themselves when spirits were sent from one place to another. Tee only ether important provision in the bill was,that it permitted to persons who now took out a 101. license to sell a less quantity of liquors than they now could on their taking out a supplemenwry SI. license. The least quantity of liquors which they could now send out was two gallons ; but, under this bill, they oould sell any quantity rot less than an imperial quart. Every dealer would be required to have a hook in "Inch the quantity of spirits sent out was to be inserted. Tkis would no in the nature of an invoice. He intended to apply this provision to the three MllatliZo although he csnfeseed be h a d doubt.* wheth er i t ought to h e extended to Ireland, in consequence of the illicit di•tillaticei wtCch was carried on there. The resolutions having been r •ail, Mr. COWAN would not oppose the resolutions, but he did not know whether the immure would be satisfactory H e expected that the right hon. gentleman would have ais, nounced an intention to alter the licensing system, whi c h was productive of much immorality i n S cot l and ; hut nn was sorry to find that that was not as. Els must also an. press his dissatisfaction that no relaxation wu to take ek es with reaped to that body of manufacturers to which be he. longed, and that they were to be still subject to the delay and vexation of the excise regulations. He wished to know whether a full allowance would be made for the waste of spirits in bond ? Mr. CALLAGHAN was glad that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was about to relax the excise ',notations with respect to spirits. He holmd the right bun. gentleme n would allow the distiller for the whole of the waste of ipmj a in bond, and that he would place the Irish diatiller in th e same position as the Scotch distiller. ' Mr. GROGAN hoped that the right hon. gentlem an would attend to the suggestion of the hon. member for Cock, and place Ireland in the same position as Scotland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would allow for the waste of spirits in bond intended f or ex. portation ; but not for spirits in bond for hem. contempt:ic e. The resolutions were then agreed to, and ordered to lee en• ported to the house this day. Mr. BROTHERTON here ruse to more that the h em adjourn, but no notice beisg taken, he resumed his seat, IMPRISONMENT FOR DEla (IRELAND) Buy . Sir W. SOMERVILLE moved that the house dodo Mi n committee on this bill. Mr. GROGAN really must object to going on at thatbeat of the night. Col. ItAWDON said there were 1,700 persons languid' in prison in Ireland for small debts, who would be releas e " if this bill passed, and he, therefore, hoped Mr. Itrothertoa would put his nightcap on his head, and permit the bill to be proceeded with forthwith. (Laughter.) Mr. BROTH ERTON objected to enter on an IS* debate at that hour. The house, however, resolved itself into committee, and the various clauses of the bill were agreed to withoat discussion, and with a few unimportant amendments. Mr. GROGAN urged that the operation of the bill should be postponed from the Ist of November to the Ist of Januar/ next. Sir W. SOMERVILLP. said the statement of hie gall an t friend behind him (eel. ltawdon) disinclined him to post pone bringing the bill into operation. Mr. GROGAN held, the only remedy the traders of Dab, lin had against a debtor was the remedy of arrest and im pri.,onment. Sir W. SOMERVILLE thought these poor eh btors on* have the privilege of spending their Christmas out of prowl. lie declined to give way on this point. Bill to be reported lsth June. GAME CERTIFICATES FOR KILLING BARES BILL. On motion for the third reading of this bill, Col. SIBTEIORP moved that the house do now adjourn. The motion was not seconded, and the circumstance gars rise to some cheering. Col. SI ISTIIORP then slid ha should op,'ose ptomain with the bill at that hour as vexatious. (Ob.) He wu astonished to find his hun. friend the member fa Sander. land permitting the bill to proceed at that late hour. (ss. nerved tries of "oh.") lie did not wish to obstruct the business—(oh)—hut he should move that the bill be read a third time that day six months. This amendment was not seconded, and also fell to the ground. The SPE:Mint then put the question that the bill be read a third time. Colonel SIBTHORP.—I shall divide the house. Strangers were ordered to withdraw and the gallery was cleared, hut no member being found to act as teller with the gallant measlier for Lincoln, no division took place. Un ri-admiaeion to the gallery, Mr. FRE WEN was mi.v,ng the following eau'. " Pro vidtd always, and be it further enacted, that nothing in this act contained shall be cmstrued to eat , od to allow say peer or persons not having a game certificate to use say engine or wire, commonly called a snare, or any trap of any description for the purpose of killing or taking any gam or harca. On the motion that the clause b? brought up, Mr. HUDSON defended himself Ircm Colonel Sib thorp's comi:laint that he had thrown him over. He did not disapprove of the bill, or he should have been very happy to do anything he could to co-operate with his gallant friend. Mr. COLVILE objected to the clause, an 1 hoped it would not be presud. The clause vsu put and negatived ; and the Toll was then read a third time. FRAUDS IN TILE SALE OF BREAD. Mr. SPOONER (for Mr. Dankest coved for leave to bring in a bill to provide more Effectually for checking frauds is the sale of bread and other articles of provision.—Leave granted. The house adjourned at half•put 1. ELECTION COMMITTEE— YESTERDAY. ifrltLlN.—The scrutiny was continued yesterday, and one vote was ,'ruck from the majority of the sitting member. Application was made for the committal of a rate collector of Dublin, on the ground of having prevaricated in hi• evidence, but the committee reserved their decision until this day. The erpregigi. MAILS. The mails for British North America, and the United State,, will be made up an the evening of the 9•th June. The West India Mule, excluding Bermuda, Novo, Ha•ann4 Honduras, New Orleans, Vera Cruz, Tampico, and Porto Rico, and including thew for %Ueda, Jacinel, Carthagena, Santa Martha, Chagres, Panama, West Coast of South America, and St Juan-de- Niraragua, will be made up on the meaning of the 17th June. The mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and Mealier will be made up cm the morning of the I;th June. The overland smith tot Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Islands, Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Kong, and China, via Suuthanips ton, will be made up on the morning of the 20th June. The overland closed mails, eta Marseilles, to the Mediteminesa, Egypt, Aden, Ceylon. India, Hong-Kong, &c., will be made up on the evening of the 24th June. The mails for New South Wales, Van Dieman's Land, and New Zealand will be made up on the evening of the 30th June. The midis for the West Coast of Africa and Mattel= will be made lap on the evening of the 30th June. The mails for the Brazils, the River Plate, Monte Video, Pernam buco. Bahia, Madeira, and Buenos Area, will be made up on the evening of the 4th July. I NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS. The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of the Stamp-othee, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS was 3.447.009 This, we believe, is within eight per cent of the number ,sued to the Morning Herald, Morning Chronicle, and Morning Post, ALL PVT TOOETHEkt. In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS, Morning Paper, there were issued for the Evenin 7 Edition, THE EXPRESS 778.714 Which was more, we believe, than were imucil either to the Globe or :Windt:rd. Evening Papers. TO CORRESPONDENTS. A IA sac mese will As& Kr. Thtabibeee'• I ' h. loot. garti. The bialsslea tram else pollee “port teas MAU! (VOW co partia li ty as be Isal we by to-4W. paps. 81011 WATER AT LONDON PINIDOR. T.to 114,-114441.4. 44 one out 7. Arts:noon. 12 min. oast A. To-aosnow—Montoz. 4; put Sa 4 .ft• 4444 . 4 . " " 1, 4 4 . 4. LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 9. AMONGST the new sciences which the progress of society has, not indeed given birth to, but created a necessity tor, is the science of police—the art of managing multitude, of rendering them contented in their homes, or not dangerous when they do go forth, and congregate for chance, or for idle and mis chievous purposes. We see at present throughout Europe a vast wreck of thrones and empires, with an anarchy of capitals and of their populations. The greater part of which ruin and disorder has proceeded not more from the misgovernment of the respective kingdoms than from a defective and ignorant police in the management of the great agglomerations of men in each capital. We are at present in London evidently in a state of equal ignorance—of equal uncertainty of rules and of conduct to meet the danger of crowds and multitudes. Hitherto the means employed by the police have proved effectual, and given rise to much exultation and triumph. We ventured at the time to question the justice of the exultation and the permanent effects of ( the repression. And now, we perceive, that we were right. For the authorities complain, that the end of order has not yet been accomplished. The government, in order to estabAsh complete tranquillity, seLms to have resolved no longer to trust to aweing the chartists, but to repress and crush violently popular meetings of every kind, and to arrest and prosecute those who provoke or attend them. This may be well, but if so, it was extremely wrong of the prime minister to declare in full parlia ment, that his reason for refusing all reform was, that the lower as well as the middle orders were in different to such. How are thelowerorders of England (to prove that his lordship was mistaken? They have ( not money to build halls, or to hire them, or to order ( a banquet that they may have a room to talk in. The field le their senate-house. If you think fit to forbid their meeting. don't challenge them as to their opinions. Above all, do not first accuse them of in difference, and then, when they show themselves zealous, imprison them. A certain number of arrests have taken place. In several instances, we think, the authorities were fully justified in making them. In other instances we see no grounds whatever roc the arrest and detention. The m,,„ u m Wit is g guilt But writ' thrl We sue} But pre that of t ha ws bel