The Express. — London, England, 1851-07-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. TM ROUSE meOF LORDS.—TMotsDae, JULY 24. O t at 6 o'clock. ROYAL ASSENT. TM reml most w.is giveo, by commission, to the Mow keg Mdi:—lliovey of Groat Britain ; School Sitio Ann& swat; LWOW and Tenant ; Prisons (ScoMod); iW White Herviag Fishery ; Common Lodging Memo; /11r. elealeatisal Jansdietion ; llighway Rates; Lose e. foiled MINIM Ballots Suspension Ancient Tame Composition Palibc Weeks, Fisheries. de. ; Apprentices to Sea Servile (Icaleo) (No. 2); 'Marriages (India); Tarnpike Aets Ger tinmass ; farapi ke Trams Arrot ; Inhabited Rouse Doty; limpose sad Fro mm's iawenuiry Franchise. Mom this Vey other bills, local and private, also received the veyal assent. The Ueda Containiosers were time Lord Chancellor, the yard l'rivy Seal, and the Earl of Carliale. CIVIL BILLS. Ike. (IRELAND), BILL. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved the Nand reading a t than bill, three parts of which consioted of a Most et die Welliaiaw. M addition to which there ware ems& moats with Mamas la the laws eructing insolvent debates. After a behilesammodera. the bill was read a second Liam enzoixsug narzovimsyr AND IIEALTH BILL. _ _ Berl VITZHARDINGifiniv;d the reeeeneltestet of this lessieve, with the view of edinittieg Outlier evidence srerd it. ABINOER me understood W omen the re-ccen, Aka i= esm• disseedies, is the team Irvefeelish Lent R ed e- edo lithe me ea the pone& ths dmin = mild to be anal twine them nessesis Mass "rowed kr 'melding it, Isedehips divided — Fee the re-easamittal ll Against it l9-8 Lord DERN KM presented nomennee petitions from Icemen and poor-law gserdease is Leine ter mid Rutland, tansplaaniag of agricultural distress. His lordship said the fact of this distress existing would ant be denied. He rod an eatestt from the Leirestershir• Chroxicis, stating that maployment had almost ceased in that locality. It was meted also that one-tenth of the population of Leicester yeses veceiring paruehial relief ; and, on inquiry of the ultimo, he found that statement was substantially correct. hied of MINTO presented a petition from the Genr es/ Assembly of the Church of Scotland against papal ag gression. The Karl of CARLISLE resented • great number of petitions from, Wesleyan congregations against papal seepen CHIMNEY SWEEPERS' REGULATION BILL. Thib bill was read a second hate. ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL. Lord MONTEAGLE gave notice, that on going into committee on this bill, he should ark some questions of a legal character; that he should move that it be an instruc tion to the committee to except Ireland from the operation of the hill ; and that he sh oul d move a clause, exempting from the penalties of the bill perms* who exercised their functions by bulls, in a bleb they were styled in the words of the Bequests Act, uot by any title derived from a prirti cear place, but as Haman catholic arebbiahope, bishops, and Jeans. After • kw words from the LOW/ CiI•NCELLOS, which were inaudible in the gallery, their lordships adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock. DOUSE OF COMMONS.—TauftsDAv, itair 24. Lie Ilidelben aasembled this morning at 12 iu the new Wan nate the last sitting there, the house has under ain/ tanriderable alteration. The temporary ceiling which INS Steed below the roof in the course of last ,erosion has bug 101110Vill, and the roof lowered in accordance with the buirlations of the committee. It is elegantly finished, hirillg divided in each direction by carved Marius, and the spans thus formed subdivided into panels, which are orna annedly painted in light colours on an oak-coloured orianmi. The roof being made to slope at the sides the Mildews are necessarily shortened. They are now Lips timot more than six or eight feet high ; and being M a srTth pointed glass, showing the armorial bearings of the large towns, the light is considerably decreased. The mats for the members , both in the body of the loan and the galleries, have been cushioned and 111111.1,11 a with green morocco, which hss • very pleasing AWL The Liege gallery opposite the Speaker has boa divided into two ; the timer gallery, it is presumed, will Mill be appropriated to member.; but on this occasion, these being hut • thin attendance, it was occupied by , eleangen, as well as the larger portion of the gallery be lied: Tbe front of the galleries has le cu carved and di okkd Ida small panels, on a few of which heraldic devices bow barna painted. As tar at the acoustic properties of the Mess we comerned, the alteration must be regarded as desldedbeneccedul, the members being as well heard as in dia ell bow. Some alteration, we uaderstand, is contents pitied is the reporters' gallery, which will probably W orms the facilities in this respect. lirriasaa took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock. Tin dbetheld and Ulassup Road bill was mid a third this — and failed. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. REGISTRATION 111 Assutiortun.—By Mr. CHRISTO PHER, from the Lincolnshire Law Society ; sad by Mr. skiwur, from building societies in Mainch,ter and other places, eirainst the Registration of Aseurances Dill. Toe VIITIGIAL PALM:R.—By Mr. MUNTZ, from Bir mingham, for the preservation of the Crystal Palace. CONSOLIDATED VUNU BILL.— NATION AL CIALLEItY. On the motion for going into committee on this bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in an swer to Mr. V. Smith, said that measures had been taw for selecting a site for the future National Offillery. He believed all parties hail curve to the conelmion that, with a view to the preservation of the pic tures, it wes desirable to remove them to a place where they would be lees subjected either to the bent and smoke of London or to the injury arising from parties who resorted to the gallery . fur other purpose• thou viewing the pictures A conuaismon had been appointed, and had ro erraes to a sate. They had named two—one a portion of leington-gardens. The other was one which would en tail the areenet7 of wine outlay. On one of these sites he tlwreglit it wou ld be desirable to build the new National Uellery. The bill then ward through committee. MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill, and wee occupied in discussing clauses ti, 7 and S (which were penind into amendments), until three o'clock, when the Imam adjourned until five. The house resumed at five o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED.... .... — Tun Ca PALACK.—By Mr. H. BERKELEY. tram Bristol; Mr. BROTHERTON, fromiChesterfirad ; in farassr of it. retention. SIIRIATIO4 Laws.—By Mr. lIUMBOLD, from the shipowners of Urrat, Yarmouth, praying for alteration is the 'tooting laws. BOARD OF FISHERIES, SCOTLAND. Mr. ANDBUSON pre SWOP that early in the sett amiss of parliament he would nuns are a 'elect committee to Saipan tutu the eciamitation, oasts, duties, and operation of toe• heard of Fisheries, with a view to awirtain the earadieney of eratinuin r or abolishing that establishment. ROYAL ASSENT. The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the bar aad summand the House of Commas to attend at the bar of the Howe of Lords, for the purpose of hearing the royal &meat given to several bills. 111. Speaker. followed by several hon. members, imme diately left the home. On his return hr informal the lacus.- . of the titles of the bills to which the royal assent had been gems (fur which see Lords' report). El'l scoria INCOMES. Sir B. HALL asked the member for the University of Cambridge whether, when the arekbralmips or bishops sent in their septennial returns of their annual incomes, such returns included the whole value of the pro perty which the bishops leased to themselves or to trustees without taking lines• or where small tines hail been taken Wh, ther, in fact, the amount of the incomes so given was independent of the value of the property so lured ? Mr. OOULEU RN said. in respect to these returns, which ware mad. under the act of parliament, the house ought to he aware that the object was to enable a calcula tion le be mado as to the sum which the bishop who might sossrad M the use upon the next avoidance ought to pay tore assiesiastiera 110111101111111011141 S, and that any error con Isluad is this virtorat, Tottariva is excess or drticieney, could Is we apes offset tbe Wm* of the bishop who made the M. Tbe bus. begeet bed asked him generally, in wise le aelleteee the Man Pariellt at a successor, a Wier puttee le a dm= a lease without a la:, whether the value of such lease ought mot to be taken into &deals tisa. lie (Mr. (toolbars) admitted that such ought to be the caw ; and as ten ba brews had called his attention specifically to the are et the Nialtap of London, perhaps the house would anew bin to sate the course which that pre late had punaeL (Saw. bear.) Its the year 1113 that prelate made the momma ha the form shown by the book sow open the table aft beam et what he received as revenue, sad the deduseless that to be made from it. And, tbishian as the besowsW baronet and himself (Mr. fraufraira) theasht, that the base granted to a trustee awl* to form an element in coming to a judgment as le what his successor should be paid. he mat la hi Man in distinct terms the of the base tea Maw of a particular property. Oa rr eatearat the segmbeienete, by means of their se asamartt eel sawasey, food the game of tine that would breve bees peal ea tint pardselth 15..., and added to the 1 menet et the imam er the Whop, ou width the future amass' was to be mute, emoranitath of the vase of the ingmallna axed ea equivalent to the taking etas Maw ot sewn rem Ttierefoee, in ralealating the nue tesi=by the asat Bisp of Leads. they Ell abe bete what portion of drat geed beta • awe en a wander ff as a us. reed be eilieL Is 18.30 the keeviai fran the Imagism the amen wheels preened, sisalnial aloe leant et kls Maras in IMO ffne that woaldra able ttoebon if granted Irs usurer person, a llendebed as elegant rapes wide& • correct Wedeln mead he made ea to the imam to be received by Ide sM sewer. If the he.. but. wait taw the average et the theethe gate by the babe% be maid me that ft dart et that ea wbieb re edeehielos was made. The MEW amounted le KM, end some hundreds. The Yaw ea the eederdest mode amounted to 10001. ; liteeelbees the hos. bonnet would clearly see that there was ahadalitmmaile bared that which appeared in this rotors THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 25, 1851. ,--. • metruf ellenteml e business would continue to carry on a braidem r ',Web 'they alleged was so unprofitable. (Hcme hear.) I • need not detain the house long with reepoikalve propesitien that the general commerce of the . coingefhas. benefited by the alteration of the fifferigatipie i •• %he eight hen gentleman does not deny this; lill sysis that while the consumer has benefited, and I generally may have increased, the British ship. at has suffered. I will state the increase in the of British and foreign ships, entered in, outwards, during the last three years. total tonnage entered inwards was 10,600,00 k, A 1819, the total tonnage inwards and outwards, a 600,000 tons ; and in 1 , 8.50 the total trustees ? ----- - --- Mr. GOULBURN was really unable to 111111,11, whether &Miss . ~, , 1d,.. was goi .- _ - _...ered inwarls and outwarla was 12,020,000 to:7 111 S on. lii Liver the amount an increase in the last year's tonnage over 1848 of 1,300, every h e that was brought to the swim erassat. if Debi* *wards had Mielt*d in 1860 tons, and over 1849 of 679,000 tons. But we are told that the Hat tbh he knew, in making the calculatioa girths income 11,118 MaiT, r era the foreign had increased by 214,000 increase has been produced at the expense of our own ship. of the see property of that deteriptioa ought to be included. ben TM Register et Trend ' s showed the number of class ping. That assertion, I believe, nets almost en A vends tegistered In 1 49, was 5,713 ; in 1850 it was the trifling diminution of the employment of eh= (Hear, Isear.e Sr B. HALL-Tes, it ought ; it might. 6.111 k sad in 18.51, it had dwindled down to 6,673, says nage at the year 1850 as compared with the year 1849 . The Lard J . . 'RUSSELL•eaIC in reference to a statement end la ell ether classes of ships • similar reduction had right hon. gentleman that we have fostered forefeet *MU bl in that hems an to the rams paid by the er taki e iees. It had bees said that our exports had in- shipping , at our own expense, and, above all, fie says wit York, as ate maid to be due BM= to the under the new sieges of commercial policy ; but be have encouraged the shipping of the United States. embebegssi anmbefesses, he was samewhat isearroot, Ss had rotweva so prove that mime the adoption of that system What will the right honourable gentleman say, if 'impoliagrattills iliinTlisisterr,vhisli he big reseived = bra. gentlemes es the other ode attributed am- it form out that . there has it a corresponding have that meet ree. relate, ma whisk he would mad Mile Inds sad incramed itaports, our exports had in. decrease in the United States ports of United State 'boilo - (kae r ) ;-- eraelgil at • bee rate then banns Übe years immediately vessels; and that they, as well as we, while they have In. Illaisetheepe, York, July 14, lesl. palmate., win a clarinet pegs, pramiled. He would creased the general tonnage, have experienced a positive hb bed -I** *4 Ala meemel gem lbe mekr be ma• lobelia amemies of Ada" sad deelared values for six decrease in the national tonnage ? (Hear, hear.) The tali. ...Mo m ' 4 ,_ ~... __,_ •• .,... r f ki5 ,...Y = 1 "" •141• "_,,P el li g inhale if her years each, tram len le 1619, which would increase which took place in the year 1850 in the oat -7.1 useigeol w"... ... .-- osammai •vrr 7; ig.. ..- inasi v."l 1.1 . 0 "1"" 6 .1;47 -- 0 ., w hiNs____ Merin of incipiwi free erode, from 1842 to ward British tonnage was an increase of 198,000 tens; . aad a si lOW alall Awkpball of parent bee bade, from 184 . 5 to 1849. the decrease in the inward tonnage, on which the right h= ay ft" eee said 111 teepee t a lel° l i re dill eo= t er T tles The MEW If the ISM wawa of the exports for the first bon • gentleman greatly dwelt, was 01 311 , 000 tons, makuqg ,i, his - . m i n d es weed . g m . Hu owl flooo km gni to 18911„ was 80,614,0001. ; from '29 to a balance of decrease. as to British shipping, of 113 tons. Maw amp Wesewswedn if tmeleteN _wed m ell eetrafa._ ; ikons , 33 to 87, rf849,000L ; from '37 to 11, Now, I must remark that no one who considers the citrate'. V9B, < lid •rmi 9.11a.11 has tit P"' " ""••• hms1841to1846,1111,176,0001.; and from 1846 to stances of trade will be surprised at the decrease in the Whom as sew a we by ter ewer ta easel that Ws The average_ of the declared value for tonnage entered inwards. I contend that the ships which Immo debt WNW be 10.111.1. per exam. Its I been i d de . e d, se e l ehee ben, Thu w e wpm ken she emewing :Ad ren s was 39,1160,000 f. ; for the second 4 years, have left this country in former instances, returning home bpain yw als hen Beale Suet, welsh of nessrate Ws rtes I,lMillfiricesselmmellesofle per cent .; the third 4 years in ballast, have under the present regulations found pro. Marti how the death et tbe Ws Neb. Oa a2l per cent. ;the fourth 4 years fitable employment elsewhere; and, if that be so, it te lie 814 if Dessesbrie, IMO. BM I sm .e iteesnale gmikignow s ly per asst.; the fith4years, 54,594,00 W., or will, I think, be sufficient to account for that di m,me"'lllo 11 " . M r. es t e, lie% 18... .' = MEL ; the Let period of 4 years, ending 1849, minution on which so much stress has been laid. lle owe leek 17,1411.;i11ees I GAIL Weal, 3 ,er 31 per ant. This was a rate of improvement (Hear, hear.) It will, lam sure, be some consolation to hided * ** meant I eave leek lOW alms, teem Dein* ,Mgf W a wn easeereety en theselem 1,1013,, dee awaited tow amdietably We than in either of the periods of 4 years the right hon. gentleman to know that I have in mY Poe' Mettle meld have 10311. Had bassere, ado only the warns' sew what was called protection. (Hear, h ear .) session returns on this point for the last six menthe, the la Ms three years, 1 Mould have Mrs eesonienenerseeele; He had also taken en average divided into period s' of nine return for the last month not being yet on the table, and b e lit 1 **Pad 8. 7391 -eaml e .., U l e ts es _ s ee" °*°, o ,_9 o _7,,the,2' l*° non during tbs time of protection , from 1824 to 1833 and that these prove that we are fast bringing up lee way in es ,'. 6*L eee e .„..”' e aft e M i r e „„„ e .'.' "ee n t e r ee ,, e •• "" eateee se ials • e ee "'"''''' neeese w I t Ise the nine years of free trade, hich showed an increase this respect. I hold in my hand an account of the .;.--167-,.. - •,---....,,,-- b en - - • - e nes e re a - "' eeee t e leaen e s e mee - a ht the ax roof from 30 to 40 per cent. in the first period, shipping, exclusive of ships in ballast, for the -- neseee. , lye addsaverbmi - bene - rusiark r - 1. 471 : 1 sly iiiiiiii, and du ring the free trade of 20 per rant. only. w hich,A he last six months, ending 6th July, of the present year. The MA he male hesehmisemilis. I have Newest said, that that took away entirely the argument ich en- tonnage of British ships entered inwards in the six months fees eselelehleal ellowlhollatto BY twOlt.Bit BB BY demand to establish the superiority of one system over of 1830 was 1,600,000 tons. Tho tonnage of British ships BBB= dash to 1, 4 t, i 4 oßt ""aill"" wmf_ n _., a l" / 1 . 1 2 the other, because there was a still greater rate of augmen - entered inwards in the six montht of 18.51 wa51,700,000 tons. Is iliMbleanall ,10 -• " tha MeV im°•••= '• tation deluder the former system, and they had no right to (Hear, hear.) The tonnage of British ships cleared out *, en er Tab braise wen* Wesel be sewed, wed say mom. ~b , ,,,,, k ~., ms, sissy b , t b,,..„,i m b e i& ede , draw the opposite conclusion . He could not leave the sub• wards in the six months of 1850 was 1,979,000 tons; and in Miballaliffl. In:L i tt ited. peer meant, T. Mem. ject without adverting to the difference between the official the six months of 1831, the tonnage cleared outwards was The Lod Mee and the real mdse. In the first period of the four years to 2,090,000 tons. (Ikar, hear.) THE CASE OP HR. SALOMONS. which he bad adverted, the official value exceeded the de- Mr. HERRIES-Have you got the returns of the foreign Sir B. HALL said he proposed to present a petition to- clued value by 33 per rant., in the second period by 70 ships ? morrow (this) evening from die electors of the borough of per cent., is the third period by 68 ;per cent., and in the Mr. LABOUCIIERE-I have also a return of the foreign Greenwich, and he now bagged to give notice that it was fourth period by 92 per cent., showing that the declared ships for the same period. There were entered outwards in his intention, with the permbdon of the house, to move value, as compared with the official value, had been rapidly the six months of 1850, 821,000 foreign tons; and in that that petition he printed with the votes, in order that it increasing. - The effect of the altered system in the extent the six months of 1841, 961,600 foreign tons. might be in the hands of hon. gentlemen by Saturday. lie of external trade had not been beneficial but injurious to There were entered inwards in the six months hoped, therefore, the noble lord (Lord John Russell) would this country in comparison with the employment of foreign of 1850 700,63 l foreign tons; and in the six months postpone discussion on the subject until. Monday, when it shipping. There were fewer British ships and fewer British of 1851, 1,007,000 foreign tons. [So we took the latter was his (Sir B. Hall's) intention to move an amendment to seamen employed and more foreign ships and seamen em- figures of the right hon. gentleman, but they were stated the noble lord's resolution-that the petitioners be heard by ployed. The shipping interest came to him to complain very confusedly. ] I will now prove to the house that ' counsel at the bar of that house. that it was held out to them by one of the clauses of the there has been the same decrease in the tonnage of United Lord .1. RUSSELL was understood to acquiesce. bill, that other nations would be induced on far to adopt States vessels in United States ports which has occurred in SALMON FISHERIES (SCOTLAND). our system as to afford to them an opportunity of competing our ports with regard to our own vessels. I take the facts On the motion of Mr. Boevinu a this bill was discharged. with their rivals; and that by enacting some other stringent from the trade and navigation accounts of the United States THE PASSPORT SYSTEM. measure, they would induce foreign ships to meet us on the for the year ending the sth of June, 1850. There were Mr. C. LEWIS, in answer to Mr. Meeetxmos, said the same ground. They complained that nothing of this kind entered inwards of United States vessels in 1849, 2,763,000 directors of the South Eastern Railway Company had had been done. Different methods of effecting the object tons, and In 18.10, 2,632,000 tons, being a falling-oil of made an application to the Board of Customs that the goods were expressed to the house. The government having pro- 100,000 tons, In foreign ships entering the United States of passengers arriving from France should be forwarded to posed their dame, it was objected to. The effect of this ports there has been an increase. In 1819 them entered London, and examined at the terminus. The Commis- suggestion was to admonish the government that the better of foreign vessels inwards 1,675,000 tons, and in isao sinners of Customs hail reported that fact to the Treasury; course would have been not to give up until they had there catered of the same vessels 1,728,000 tuns. The same and the Treasury had referred it back to the Board of Cue- ascertained from other nations whether they were willing cause explains the decrease in the national and the increase toms, for further information as to whether it was desired to make a like concession. In the other house of parliament in the foreign tonnage as respects both the United States by the public, as well as by these railway directors, that a more formal proposition was made for the alteration of and the United Kingdom ; that cause being that the vessels such facility should be given, and what the probable the clause. It was there suggested by Lord Stanley that of both nations have been profitably and fully employed expense of affording such facility might be. They also if it should appear to her Majesty that any foreign country elsewhere. (Hear, hear.) I have also the clearances out• wished to know, if such facilities were given Folkestone was willing be concede to this country the like privileges or ward from the United States in the same years. Of United and Dover, why they should not be extended to other ports ? anythblequivelent, then her Majesty might take steps to Stites ships there cleared outwards in 1819, 2,768,000 tons; REGISTRATION ASSURANCE BILL. navigation laws. It was a great pity that they and in 1830, '2,573,000 ; being a decrease of 1145,000 tuna. In reply to Mr. MULLINGA, as to whether it was the in- :r ai n°, take that course, and then they would Of foreign ships there cleared outwards in 1619. 1,710,000 tention of the noble lord at the head of her Majesty's go• be much better than they were now. Addressing himself tons; and in 1850, 1,754,000 tons ; being an increase of ettrament to proc ed with this bill in the present session, acre immediately to the object of his motion, Mr. Herrin foreign tonnage in the ports of the United States of 45,000 Lord J. RUSSELL said that, as he had promised to state said, it had been held out to our shipowners that other tons. These tigurra will, I hope, diminish the alarm felt by as this day what course he would take, he would then do so. nation, would be induced, and, if necessary, compelled, BO the right hon. gentleman as to the competition of United lie had been anxious to proceed with the bill, which was ter to adopt our system as would admit of their fairly corn- Statesthips with our ships. United States ships may have me of great importance, and which proceeded on the prin. peeing with foreigners in the foreign trade, and thereby crowded into our port. ; but I think it is evident that our siple recommended by the very highest authorities in this obtaining an equivalent; but nothing of this kind had been own ships have returned the visit. If this is the case, I snotty. Ile found it would not alone he necessary to take done ; other nations, instead of imitating our example, were ask who have been the gainers by these alterations in our a heavy debate on the second reading of the bill, but subse- profiting by our folly. Among many other caste he pointed navigation laws ? I do not say that the, Ration has gained quently to refer it to a select committee,which would occupy oat the extent to which the L nited States in particular had at the expense of other nations. Ido not say that England • great deal of time. Under these circumstances, and the benefited by our change of system. lie complained that has gained at the expense of America, or that America ha.; lateness of the session, he felt rather reluctant to press the they had abandoned the pledges given to British ship- gained at the expense of England. I say that we have gained Wt. (Hear.) Ile attached great importance to the bill ; owners. When it was said that there was a diminution of greatly ; but I say also that the general commerce of the , ' bet, under the circumstances, he then begged to give notioe British shipping in our own ports, it was stated in answer world has grown and expanded in consequence of the removal that he would move to-murrow (this day) that it be read a this cannot be true, it cannot be that the mercantile ship- of those absurd restrictions which were profitable to no second time that de y three months. (Hear.) ping is declining ; but there were people who were g i v i ng nation. (Cheers.) There is another revere to which I EMIGRATION ADVANCES. - DISTRESSED Rule to this statement. He had presented a petition to must refer -the return, namely, of the Sound dues, DISTRICTS, the house, and to it were appended the names of Dunbar the character of which is usually considered a oath- Mr. GLADSTONE wished to know if it were the ink's- ad Lind say.e The name of Wigram was not there, but he factory test with regard to our mercantile navy en theth! Sound wtthroe dues yearsf rom more 1820 to lien of the hon. gentleman this Under Secretary for the was greatly deceived if Mr. Wigram had not corn- gaged in the Baltic trade. I hold in my band a Colonies to proceed with this bill to-hight, seeing that it migrated to the government his opinion as to the effect return of Britian 18 ships in el us h i a v v e e would be very late before it could be introduced ? of the alteration in the law being prejudicial to the I find that in Lord J. RUSSELL said his hon. friend was anxious to skipping interest. One of the subjects of which the peti• been employed in the Baltic than were employed in that islldma the the discussion on which could be taken timers especially complained, was the condition imposed trade at any former period. It has been said repeatedly es ?pen them to man their ships with British seamen. You that British ships could n compete with the ships of the ra.MITON would not object to taking the dis- unposed upon them an onerous condition, which rendered it Baltic powers in the short voyages ; and it will, perhaps, temeksMer of the lateneas of the hour. almost impossible that they should fairly compete with the remove considerable anxiety to find that as yet no harm has The CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought haseigner. He asked them to consider whether they could been done. I find that in 1832 (the first year when the it would be advantageous if hon. gentlemen allowed the in justice to their own principles persist in this compulsory proportion was made out) the proportion of British ships bill to be introduced, and discussed on tee second reading. obligation on the British shipowners. They talked of going to other ships passing the Sound was 324 out of 1,000 ;of ' Mr. GLADSTONE was understood to assent. to the cheapest market, but why not allow the shipowner to a tonnage of 1,237,000 tons. During the last three years, IRISH BILLS. go to the cheapest market ? Let the British shipowner be the number of British ships passing the Sound has been The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply allowed to go to tbe cheapest market for sailing and manning this : -In 1848, out of IMO, 438 were British; in 1849, to Colonel Dame, said be hoped to come to some arrange his ships. We had given our rivals a footing in our trade ; 398 were British ; and in 1850, 391 were British ; th e t on . ment by which the more important of the bills connected we had submitted to be fairly outwitted ;we had committed nage of those three years being:-In 1848, 1,137,000 tons ; with I reland might he proceeded with. ourselves and placed ourselves in a position of extreme die- in 1849, 1,183,000 tons ; and iu 18:50, 999,000 tons. In the EMIGRATION ADVANCES (SCOTLAND) BILL, advantage. The right hon. gentleman concluded by ex- last year there has therefore been a diminution in the tun- Mr. J. STUART expressed a hope that the bid for autho- pressing an earnest hope that his motion might be allowed nage of British vessels paying the Sound dues; but there rising advance's to promote eosigratioe fur the relief of the to pain_ has been little diminution in the proportion of British distressed denier's in Scotland would be proceeded with. Mr. LABOUCHERE could not complain that this im- ships ; and as to the diminution ei tonnage, it will be ac- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Admitted portant subject had been bought forwr rd, and thought counted for by the alterations with regard to the corn trade that the measure was mach required, and hoped to be able that it wad quite right that the house should take into con- in the Baltic. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman to carry it through. siderationthecondition of the shipping interest. For himself, his told us that the Americans are driving us out CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL. he would never have been a party to measures which he out of the East India trade, and that in fact our trade in On the mods that this bill be read a second time, thought could have a tendency, while promoting the in- the Indian and Chinese seas is being destroyed altogether. Mr. HILEALES rose to move the amendment of which he term* , of trade, to injure the searing and shipowning Now I hold in my hand an account furnished by the East bad given node*, that an humble address be presented to classes. There was, however, a great contrast between India and China Association of the tonnage of British ship. bar Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased to the desponding language of the shipping interest and its entered and cleared at ports within the limits of the com• direct the proper steps to he taken for :giving effect to those energetic conduct-the voice was the effeminate voice pany's charter during the last three years. In 1848 there provisions of the act 12 it 13 Vie., e. 29 (ter the repeal of of Jacob, but the hand was the vigorous hand of were entered 387,000 tons , and cleared 453,000 tons. In the Navigation Laws ), whereby bee Majesty is empowered Esau. Mr. Labouchere then went on to say: The 1849 there were entered 406,000 tons, and cleared 322,000 to adopt towards any foreign country. in which a preference right hon. gentleman refers to the complaints and the peti. tons. In 1850 there were entered 442,000 tons, and there were is given, directly or indirectly, to allitaal vessels over Bri- Sons of such men as Messrs. Ingram, Lindsay, and Dunbar, cleared 662,000 tone, showing an inereiee of 34,000 tons in tieli vrawle, such easaintea WI shay a to her and he says, " Surely they understand their own trade wards, and 109,000 outwards since 1843, or nearly 25 per cent. Majesty justly to eimaterrail the iYadvantages to better than you can do; and when they say that they are (Hear, hear,) :This evidences that so far are we from being which British trade nil nadgalba is en 's4aa• ad distressed and that their distress is in conseituence of par - driven out of this trade , we are increasing in it. (Hear, On th e 28th e e Ann he had peepettei a gets titular laws you ought at once to acquiesce in their hear . ) I now come to a most important point in thus dis war. d ee m e h sis s depeemee et /mim e h e e opinion." I confess that lam surprised at such a suggee. cession , a point which the right hon. gentleman has scarcely d e o am the ge e lion ceming, of all men, from the right hon. _gentleman. tou ched, but which must not be overlooked . I have to gyp liegh Milan. , The right bee. gentleman has often boasted with natural ca ll attention to those vast new trades . which have now for auk ma who • me t (yd pride, that be was the colleague and the coadjutor the nest time been opened_ up to Brinell shipping. I am elms aggiasie i n ' en the - th e of Mr. Haidelea in great measures of mercantile reform in certainly not in a condition to lay bekre the house any aka mai a pleS an sty m ee t. 1826, whoa the legielaturf struck the first blow at that syse complete statistics bearing upon this point . I wish I sitrmg mega gee the y aws b e d fm. teeofpeeemeiesossier the fancied accent,' of which the could, for I am satisfied they would be most sans god wee sem Se you be mete tut the British shepownere had to far existed. At that time, I re- factory. I can only produce specimens lof the results; sehlegateaseelleely heipmeeetettemettedelhieheireteet, asswaber. there were plenty of petitions, there were public but such figures as I have will attest adequately the but as a ssinsl guano, hue be Wye, owner °n essedesa nod great complaints from the shipowners of the enormous benefits conferred upon British vessels by thew new with the lead wer of Great Britain. Meer.) The weerthe gevamment was taking. And these very c a m - trades. I have from the United States a prettycorrect account petitianne . std of the diminutios a the rata Pleb& have foe on cesselesely to the present day, when on this subject, and I sin the more willing to quote because of freislgh,r be falling off in the sagleenunt for • new km ben been starlet (Hear, hear.) It was in vain the right hon. gentleman's jealousy of foreign competition Britishdeg lb had been haralliad‘illialli recount of that the eggege of our shipping increased by hundreds of is chiefly directed against the United States-no doubt our the a rate of freight from mein peels te this thous." Veal merchant railcars were multiplied, and that most formidable rival in all the fields of commerce. (Hear.) country, aviy the five years be raped of the the fresh NOM Wrested is ship-building went on yearly. In the first six months of 1850, 213 British ships entered navigation laws, via., from 1 is Maas Ms of Not all ef away but sleep portion of the shipowners, con- the ports of the United States from these countries, which freight from the same port. is 1360 and end he found tinued is fwprttheir tale of distress, and to attribute all they would not have been able to do but for the alterations that the reduction had been not less than 30 per cent, their alleged salehrtunes to the measures of Mr. Husiesson. in the navigation laws. Thus, in the first half-year A correspondent at China stated that American ships The house ishilitiliar with the evidence given before the of 1850, an amount of British tonnage entered United were loading there at 40s. • ton for Liverpool, and committees operated by both houses to consider the nevi- States ports from third countries more than corresponding from Hong-Kong at 424. ; and the letter containing this genes laws; and I will contrast the predictions then put with the entire decrease that year of British tonnage In our information added, that so long as American vessels forth by some of the shipowners, with the results which own ports. (Hear, hear ) The British consul at New York coining there from San Francisco were enabled on their have taken place. As regarded the period since the change, stated that in the port of New York 38,000 tons of British return voyage to take cargoes from China and bailie to it is too short for an elaborate contract; but in other shipping bad entered in 1850 that port entirely from third England, there was nu chance of a remunerative trade for periods there are striking contrasts. The first paper to countries. The British consul at Philadelphia stated that Itritieti ships from these ports. They had been told that which I will refer is a document of the most authentic of 11l British ships entering that port in 1850, 18 came British capital, British industry, and British energy would character, being a report of the Shipowners' Society, a from third countries; and that in the first four months of enable the British shipowner to secure the greater part of society with which the hon. member for Scarborough (Mr. 1851, 16 brought cargoes from foreign ports. He adds that the carrying trade of the world, in spite of the numerous G. F. Young), whose presence in the house on this occasion "vessels from British America, after disposing of their advantages his foreign rival possessed. But this corre, is most timely-(" hear, hear," and laughter)-is, I be- cargoes in the West In lies, which generally re spondence showed how fallacious that bop° was, and lieve, connected. The hon. member for Scarborough differs turned in ballast, now bring to this country sugar that the American was fast beating us out of with the right hon. gentleman so far as that the hon. mem- and molasses, returning home with cargoes of breadstulEs." the market. The petitioners also complained of the f a lli n g herby no means approves of the measures of Mr. Huskisson : Here, then, is evidence of considerable benefit having been I off of employment fur their ships, vent on the corn_ but I think that the hon. gentleman will not claim for the conferred by these alterations on our North American ado petition of foreign shipping. In everybranch of British society of which he is shales= the ;character of prophets. nice. (Hear, hear.) I might quote reports to the same commerce our own shipping Wall being driven from the The document from which I shall two is the report of the effect frem Hong-Kong and from Australia • and I might market, and foreign shipping taking its place. In our own, General Shipowser.' Society IN the year 1833: instance the benefit derived by this country in our inter as well as in for e ign ports, foreign shipping had aug. Tar keg *salami mad seal eakidag dogramlcat et the Maga, t as course with France in respect to the power of sending as mented, while British shipping had diminished. He had a Mese We weal wedeetisa ese emit agerwatlea et distress awned sorted cargoes in steamers. I must say a word or two statement of the British and foreign shipping respectively V sesehrera_ diesmeM ear weleatheepononow ater 7 about California. Had it not been for the repeal of our emloyed in the foreign trade from 1842 to ROO, extracted "",, e `, •• """ lhi eee , ..2"" mm eeeee „„ e ee' l a l as.eee mee°ll ** l ,____,...__, wish Navigation Laws our interests would have been serious) front the annual amounts Furnished by government ; and - ma - U m 17 , 6 67 1 .7 -. ... ." '''' "' w " . "'"'" . ... ...........rwhit.....„ sad injured in the Californian trade. I do not mean eimply Rum this it appeared that from 184.. to 1849 (that mesa Mile eases' ft thee seavielths, widpelfe"'"' son- s with regard to the direct trade with California ! though was previous to the repeal of the navigation ealaweloa et S 6 lemma the emberramessa *mei aid ruin 1 that is of immense impertance. In that trade there laws) there had been an almost invariable annual A res *We alirswasit, may are be nas ewel Inesstramemas was a great demand for British goods; and there were large increase in the amount of British tonnage, both e eitiem. . stocks of British goods in the ports nearest to California • inwards and outwards. In 1848 there had been a slight de- Nothing can be more melancholy as a prediction than . and these goods shipped to San Francisco would not have cline inwards , but there bad been a decrease in that year this. Bet look at the results. At the time this report was been admitted had the old navigation regulations remained also of the foreign tonnage ; but iu 1830 there had been published in 1833, the British registered ships cemented o f in force, whereby Ivey considerable loss would have accn" • &creme of the tonnage inwards of 184,000 tons from 24,000 ships of 2,600,000 tons. In 1860 the British re. ' mulcted to the British merchant and manufacturer. (H I the average of the previous yeara, and outwards there had gistered ships were 34,000, their tonnage being 4,233,000, hear.) Again , the right hon. gentleman may not beaware also been a considerable falling off from the average of This is an increase of more than a million and a half of ; that a great trade has sprang up between our Australian the years he had named. This was the result as to tandem the time when the shipownerstold dee country that colonies and Western America • and • San Francisco English ships calmed in the foreign trade ; he would theirs was a doomed and ruined trade, (Hear, hear.) - The . paper, the Alta California, sated, some time ago, saw take the foreign ships for the same years. He found number of registered seamen of the Lnited Kingdom in that within a single month eig hteen ships had that while British shipping had decreased by 184,000 tons, 1830 was 154,000; in 1850 the number was 22.5,000(Hear, i arrived from Australia with cargo at San Freacisce, gamin shipping had increased from 2,03),000 to 2,400,000 hear.) So much for the prediction, of the Shi powners ' Against these facts will the house set such meagre state .-this was inwards. (Hear. hear .) Outwards the increase Society. (Hear.) At that time, too, Alderman W . a - eh , meats as that of the right hon. gentleman who rests his that • in of the foreign shipping hail been 363,0 0 0 tons; the total a consistent politician, but not, I think, a high authority on ' whole case on the slight decrease in the entries lB5O , behnice inward and outward being against England mercantile subjects, presented petitions from shipowners' (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman maintains 48.000 team. He would now take the average of the three complaining, in the same way as the right hon. gentleman great decrease has taken place in the rate o f f yeses preeedinulBso. and compare the diminution of that has complained to-night, of ruin and destruction, The • admit that ; but if the right hon. gentlemanwill re loo lg k in :Sek i , ray with it. The average of the three years preceding petitioners complained of the competition to which the' ' h e t will see that this has been a gradual decrease, and that were exposed with foreign shipowners ; that their cart ' as been going on for many yars past It is not just to 1960 was , of British shipping, entered inwards, 4,,67,000 tens; the retain for 1640, was 4.700,000, • diminution of had been reduced one-half, and that still they could had no ' ascribe this decrease to recent legislation . ; and if I lied that 67,000 tom; the average of the foreign shipping, entered remuneration for that diminished capital; that the reserve ; during this decrease , the shipowner has not lost I conclude inwards, in the three years was, 2,082,000 tons • and, in of the coasting trade was of no value to them, because the I that the fact is not indicative of ruin There ' ' 186 e, it was 2.499.000 tee, or an increase of 417,000 tons ; admission of the foreign ships in other trades reduced de- , stances which would latterly have naturally r c e lr d e u n eeti al. sad ennuis, the balance against us in 1860 as coins structive average for freights; and that in the India a and , freights. Formerly British ships passed half ptIV mith the previous three years had been other distant seas hundreds of British ships were to be ' unemployed in ballast , and th e the l ir tune owner had, ofccurae, to blf ,000 VIOL Here, then, was conclusive evidence that the found without any employment. This is almost exactly I charge a higher freight when his ship was employed, to e matt a We first years experience of the alteration in the picture in all respects which the right hon. gentleman ', cover the hoses of the period when she was m balMst. lhellol lelli been to diminish the employment of British has drawn for us to-sight. The right hon, gentleman, in , British ships being now fu ll y employed, it f llows '111111,12 6 0nd iaerame the employment of foreign ships. his reply to Alderman Wakeman, on the occasion I speak ht. Nor Oak it wee possible to look upon this as ate of, used much the same argument which I have often had I (Hear, hear.) I must also remind the •ht hon. gentle- Peru, rwmffillellie night not occur in future years. (Hear, to use on this question. He said it was impossible that man that the emit of shipbuilding hat been greatly dial- of the bishop. He tboueht Wily whet was rttpOsit SiriF:IIALL saki timo that point elearly=k. (Sir B. ILA) meant given as So ea Mat was hial= So Whop ttY Semi dr yds of Soo solikk dig arose rouse t.' the bow loolodoe sushi he had sow explained midair- hear.) But be might be told that things were beginning to menlif L.% muisite (or re fares Bishop of mend—that since the commencement of the present year busiart s A , I then bad been symptoms of improvement. He would take (Hear. ham) r right hon. '.._ .• d • ~.,, , .f the five months of the present year, and ctiPliiit u ' th• I • The4l '/ - -•es - x ,•l trien . c . .4.l. l .lo'regazilvso6•o3tlVYbaba, PIS ra rower ‘; ‘ ,„i;, , herr ' 1 ". i ' vip i j in t e oyment' foreign shippiargo Laws. The rli angel 1 . ..7... ;British s aping, tat ferinee to be dirstral that he ssysie • ... ited the wake . ''' . " '-- '` the Tr rer , ree.f , he , 'fish tonnage 'commerce gem l to • ... 1:4 . 1r . I t ", • la .... to the St June, t . •1,271,607 i elit ping Interest h me r 4 ~. ••• L . eirlB6l0 ger 1, an rarer. employment *. ........... • led to lieve 11, , . •.,• 21 ^ fraction par cent. n) . tonnage wards and ou believe that that tabula , distement of entered is the sir months of 18.50, was i 1 I tone, and 1848, the total was the whole mane of de see, or in tie same period of 1851, 916,000 tons ; increase of tom ;in 180, l re property as yanked to the 2711011reas, or 42 per err (Her.) la reser all enterers vies 11,400,001 the err ran, the ismenee of (reign and the decrease of entered inwan _ _ _ wit tbeiroS 11A years. A merchant of high re sroliabiliti-berfttiaishod mit with a statement.of tho dif fat costs of building's ship in Sunderland in 1841 a inllsl. ln i 8 an A 1 ship, 12 years, cost 181. per ton. to build.' Ir 1861 tliat same ship could be built for 141. 1' . per ton; and time appears to be a correspond " In respect to ships of an inferior description. socrlsoceed - • • ' "'of upon the East India trade, which had created some alarm, he allowed wee not founded in fact ; by the lust mail it appeared that British shipping was becoming scarce in the Indian ports, awl that freights had risen. lie contended that for the last nine years there had been an increase in oar mercantile marine unparalleled in the his tory of this or any other country. Ile deprecated the id, - for retaliatory measures (after only . , . ~. 10s. , ing reduction (Hear hear.) -.eel to discussthe third point in thi;question—the cam cifehe British ship builder. The ,shiPowner would inibture get his ships built abroad. Now predietion of the right hese gentleman was that the British Lthe het is that in 1850 there were only 10,000 tons of leterp built ships registered in this country ; and that in the first three months of 1831 there were not more than 511 WWI of foreign built ships registered here. (lieu, hear.) So much with regard to the United Statee,whorn we were told to fear. (Hear, hear) With regard to our colonies, it was much the same. In 1830 there trees only about 8,000 tons of foreign built ships re gistered in the whole of the British colonies ; and of that 00 tons, more than one-half was registered in the island of Malta. Malta is resorted to thus extensively simply be muse it is an unfavourable place for ship-building, and be. moos it is cheaper for the Maltese to get their small vessels for the Mediterranean trade built elsewhere. An Hos. M here moved that the house be counted, but there being 40 lumbers present, Mr. LABOUCHERB proceeded. I had been observ ing when the house was counted, that from the small num ber of foreign-built ships admitted to British registration at home or in the colonies, I felt confident the British ship owners need be under no apprehension from the change in the navigation laws. I have taken some pains to he in formed on this subset, and I challenge contradiction when I state that, speaking generally, so far from there being any decay in British ship-building, it is in a state of great prosperity and activity. I hold in my hand a return of the ships built and registered in the three last years in the United Kingdom, from which it appeared that there were registered of British ships in 1848, 817 ships of 122,000 tons; in 1819, 730 ships of 117,000 tow; and in 1850, 689 ships of 133,000 tons. The right hon. gentleman dwelt on the fact that there were a fewer number of ships registered at Lloyds', but that was explained by the circumstance that though the ships were fewer, the tonnage was greater. (Hear.) In 1848 the average tonnage of the ships registered was 143 tons ; du 1849 it was 161, and in 1830 it was 194 tons. (Hear.) On this point I made inquiry in some of the principal pore of the kingdom, and I find that in Sunderland, which is perhaps the largest ship-building port in the world, the business of ship-building has been in unprecedented activity during the past year. (Hear, hear.) No person will deny this. More ships have been built in this port in 1850 than in any year since it became a ship-building port. One of the local papers states that the change of the navigation laws has not rained the trade • on the contrary, there has bean • large increase in the trade over the average of the Ind Me years. There has been in 1850 an increase of 10,000 tons over 1849, and of 16,000 tons over 1848. Along with the increase in the number of vessels there has been an im provement in the model of the vessels and in the tonnage. The amount of tonnage which was launched in 1848 was 36,000 tons , in 1349, 38,000 tons ; but in 1850 we launched 51,000 tons. (Hear, hear.) That this prosperity is likely to continue may be conjectured from the great number of vessels on the stocks. In 1818 there were 13,000 tom on the stocks ; in 1849, 23,000 ; and in 1830 there were 28,500, so that in 1851 we may expect that the trade will be quite as active as in 1850. (Hear, hear.) In consequence of the complaints which have been made from the port of London I have made inquiry into that port, and through the Surveyor-General of Customs who obtained his intormation from every shipbuilder in L ondon with one exception,and this lithe result. Of sea-going vessels, including those built on foreign account—and in the light of a ship-building question this is very important—(hear, hear) —though it does not affect the question regarded as a ship-owning one—there were built in 1818 three ships of iron of 1,34.3 tons, and seven of wood of 3,142 tons, making ten ships of 4,442 tons ; in 1849 seven iron vessels of 1,6.54 tons, ten of wood of 5,,03 tons, making seventeen ships of 7,757 tow; in 1830 thirteen iron ships of 4,562 tons, and seventeen of wood of 9,935 tons, making thirty ships of 14,000 tons in round numbers, being double the amount of 1849. (Hear, hear.) I shall be told that these ships were built for foreign go vernments, and for great companies ; but regarded in the light of a ship-building question, it was clear that as these companies would go for their vessels where they could get them cheapest—to New York or Bremen, if they could get them cheaper than on tho banks of the Thames or the Clyde—we need fear no competition in ship-building. (Hear, hear.) I have said that a great improvement has taken place us the quality of the vessels, as well as in the tonnage, and that all the aids that science could afford have been applied to the construction of vessels. On this point I beg leave to read an extract which I received front a re spectable ship-owner of Liverpool. This gentleman says : " Speaking generally, we fancy that there can be no doubt that the repeal has given an immense impetus to the trade. A conviction has become general that if the English builder , is to maintain his position he must hold it by means of scientific application. The ' Rule of Thumb' was previously almost the only rule acknowledged in a ship-yard. A vast deal more attention is now given to the sources of mathema tical and nu chanical knowledge, and that is taking place which in this country seems always the sign of the elevation of a trade or profession, namely, the application to it of the educated and higher classes. But a year or two ago, a shipbuilder was looked upon as a mere mechanic. All that seems suddenly changed, and it is a curious thing to see how many of the educated classes are just now seeking out the means of making their children into shipbuilders." I now come to that part of the speech of the right hon. gentleman which has reference to the motion before the house, for by far the greater part of his speech had little or no reference to the motion which he put into the Speaker's hands. (Hear, hear.) Even supposing it true that the policy we have recently punned is wrong, and ought to be reversed, the remedy which the right hon. gentleman calls on the house to adopt is quite inadequate. (Hear, hear.) The speaker then referred to the various nations with which we are commereislly connected, and stated that in moot Imes we were deriving great benefit from intercourse with them under the new system. With respect to the degree of reciprocity with which our concessions had been met by ether nations, he premised that we had avoided great evils by the change; but other nations, he contended, had fol lowed our example, and with some of the great states we enjoyed substantial equality. Negotiations were going on with others—France, Belgium, and Spain—from which ke confidently expected beneficial results. If the motion meant anything, its object was to reta liate those absurd restrictions which some nations had put upon our shipping at less cost to us than to themselves. He still thought the crown should possess this retaliatory power, to be exercised on fit occasiorus ; but hitherto the conduct of no foreign state had been such as to justify its exertion. He dilated upon the brilliant prospects which he believed were in store for the trade of England, and for the interesting cause Mr. Berries had undertaken, and concluded as follows: I think I have now proved the world's commerce has been generally fostered and encouraged by the change of our navigation laws, and that there is no reason to suppose that British navigation has not had her full share in the benefits of that general in crease. (Hear, hear.) I think I have proved, beyond the possibility of contradiction, that so far from the trade of ship building decaying, there never was a period in which there appeared to be fewer symptoms of decay, and in which its future prospects were more encouraging. (Hear, hear.) If the house thinks that our recent policy, has beau successful, I trust they will not come to a resolution understand, a rill t he .tio n ns e which would interfere with its maintenance Mr the future. o u f n t d h e e r w th or e ld I entertain no apprehensions as to the prospects of our mari s m ys a te yg m en of ag we.mlPenctivteiorncoiunldwh ich it in other departments of industry and activity we have no reason to fear and are able to compete with other nations, why, "with a fair field and no favour;" we cannot compete in the business of shipowaing and building with every nation of the world. The motion of the right hon. gentleman pledges the house' to a course which I believe to be impolitic and destructive; it calls on the house of prematurely taking for ly s eighteen months' trial of a new system) against these na tion, who have sot as yet been able to see the wisdom 4 a course which we ourselves were NO long in adopting. Be sides which, any such effort on our part, would hr read, d with the utmost ease. He admitted there was great com petition, but it was between British owners, and not be tween them and foreigners, and with this competition there was a rapidly inert:minute:We. Shipbuilders now refused to bind themselves to time, on account of the abundance of work, and their men were unmanageable for the same reason. Ito concluded by saying that, though in great changes there must always be individual inconvenience, the facts which he had laid before the house showed that our policy was working most advantageously, and he hoped tho house would pause before they consented to alter it. Mr. DISRAELI, assuming as a fact undenied that the shipowners were distressed, and that the means they once possessed of employing industry had dwindled away, thought that it would have been very impolitic tor parliament to Se parate without considering their condition. You might account for the existing distress, you might talk of a state of transition, but you could not ignore the suffering arising from our novel legislation. The means of employing labour were diminished, and there was a diminution of 500,000 tons of British shipping. The amendment of to-night involved no new attempt at legislation, it merely asked the carrying into effect a provision expressly and prospectively framed to remedy such a state of things as now existed. And the shipowners were informed that negotiations were going on with no fewer than three powers to obtain the object for which that very provision was de signed. Mr. Disraeli then indulged in some sarcasms upon Mr. Wilson, for objecting to a provision which his superiors were actually carrying out, and supposed that Mr. Wilson was not favoured with Lord Palmerston's confidence. Ito thought the repeal of the navigation-laws a hasty and a perilous act; but that was not the question before them. It was admitted that there might be difficulty . in dealing with the retaliatory act, which was the matter in question ; but that was the business of her Majesty's govern ment. lie must say, however, that as it had been that night officially . announced that a negotiation with three powers was going on, he did not think that Mr. 'ferries would be justified in interfering with those negotiations by forcing a division upon the house. (Prolonged ironical sounds from the ministerial side.) Yes, the responsibilities of negotiation were great, though gentlemen not yet in office might not understand their importance. Ile repeated that the question having been fully and fairly stated, ho trusted there would be no division. (" Divide, divide.") Colonel THOMPSON thought the kind of retaliation proposed would be cutting off one's nose to be revenged on one's face. Lord J. RUSSELL—I confess, sir, Ido not quite under stand, after the speech of the hon. member for Bucks, with what view the motion has been brought forward. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman says, and witk great truth and much justice, that when a government is engaged in nego tiating with foreign powers, it is not fitting, without some ground of distrust, to take those negotiations out of the hands of the government, to interrupt its course, and to prescribe the mode in which it shall be conducted. The lion. gentleman is perfectly right in that view —(hear)--- and his argument in that respect is no doubt conclusive; but I wonder it did not occur to the right hon. gentleman the member for Stamford, before he announced his motion with so much solemnity, or, at all events, before he, with such pomp and circumstance, asked the assent of the house to it. (Cheers and laughter.) It was well known when the right hon. gentleman first intimated his intention to make this motion, that, with all the first mara• time nations, we had already obtained the bene fit which, by the clause referred to, it is pro posed to secure. We had obtained the advantage in respect to the United States, to Holland, to Prussia, and the northern powers, and the question was whether some other powers of less mercantile marine could be induced by negotiations to give us similar reciprocity. And with regard to one of those powers—Spain—the question has already been referred to in the house, and neither the right hon. gentleman nor any who sit near him could be ignorant that negotiations were pending. (Bear, hear.) It is strange, then, after so many weeks of preparation, after so many grandiloquent announcements, now to learn from the hon. gentleman that it is improper to interfere with negotiations that were well known to be going on when the notice of the right hon. gentleman was first given. (Hear.) lam glad to find even this tardy acknow ledgment on the subject from the hon. member for Bucks. (" Hear" and laughter.) But I believe, though the motion is a narrow one, and not directed in terms to the restora tion of the navigation laws or the restoration of proteetio, , the argument of the right hon. gentleman (Mr. }terries) and the argument of the hon. member for Scarborough (Mr. Young) went far beyond and were , intended to prove that we have been all along on a wrong course, and their object was, if it was anything, not to carry into effect a single clause in the act for repealing the navigation laws, but to repeal that act altogether, and to restore the navigation laws in all their original vigour —(cheers)—which, if wo were to do, we should be depraving ourselves of the carrying trade and commerce of the L niteal States of America. (Hear, hear.) But if hon. gentlemen opposite are satisfied that they have had a complete answer upon that question— (loud ministerial cheers)—if they are now satisfied that their whole case has broken down—(renewed :cheers and laughter from the same quarter)—and that so far from the facts supporting their allegations, my right hon. friend the President of the Board of Trade and the hon. member for Westbury have given to those allegations a complete refuta tion—(" Ilear,"and a laugh)—and tha4thc policy adopted by parliament now for these two years past has been a successful policy—(cheers)—if they now admit and are forced to admit —(more cheering)—that all the statistics brought forward— all the statements—all the investigations of facts that have been made, prove that they have been completely in error— (renewed cheering and laughter)—and that the majority of the house has been completely iu the right on this question. —1 am glad to find that confession is now to be ratified and recorded by the course now proposed to be taken by the hon. gentlemen on the other side, and by the decision of the house, and on these grounds I am glad to hear the hon. member for Buckingham recommend the withdrawal of the motion. (Loud cheers and much laughter.) Mr. WAWN next spoke, whose voice was drowned by the calls fur a division, and observed that many votes had been given in favour of the bill for repealing the navigation laws on the faith of the clause referred to. Mr. MUNTZ wanted to know why the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the President of the Board of Trade did not carry out their free trade principles ultogether, and es pecially why they did not reduce the duty ou tin. (A laugh.) Mr. BERRIES insinuated that he would withdraw his amendment, but the members at the back of the ministerial benches insisted on a division, and the gallery was cleared. After a few minutes stranger* were readmitted, the amend ment having meanwhile been withdrawn or negatived without a division. On the motion for reading the bat a third time being again put, Mr. LABOUCIIEIIE, in reference to the question asked by Mr. :Shantz as to the reduction of the duty on tin, said it WnS a subject well worth attention. At this period of the session, however, it could hardly be expected that the sub ject should be introduced into the Customs Bill. but on env future occasion when the Customs were being dealt wit!: the tin duties should not escape attention. Sir J. I'AKIN')TON moved that the debate be ad journed. Lord J. RUSSELL complained that after the discussion which had taken place such a course was most unfair. It would be wasting the time of the house. Sir J. PA KINOTON was TISONt. anxious not to do any thing that could for a moment be considered unfair. but he was anxious to bring under the attention of the house the claims of a most inljlON . it interest, :nut as it would oecuay ; n or a most to address the crown to adopt a system of re- some time, it would hardly be thought &nub:, taliation, not upon any well understood sense of one's should bring on the question at that hour. own interest, but to retaliate restrictions, however absurd. After u few words from Mr. Wswsr, (Hear, hear.) Such a policy, I think, would be unworthy Mr. CARDWELL explained •hat the case his hon. the parliament and the people of this country, and on this friend wished to bring under the attention of the house was ground 1 confidently call on the house to reject the motion that of the West Indians and others engaged in the sugar of the right hon. gentleman. (Cheers.) trade, who claimed to have the privilege of refining sugar Mr. G. F. YOL NG denied the fundamental allegation of in bond. He thought, however, it was impossible to post- Mr. Labouchere—the general prosperity under free trade, pone further the third reading of the Customs bill, which in which the shipping interest participated. Nosuch general was of importance to the sugar-grower, inasmuch as it prosperity existed in the agricultural interest, the colonial reduced the duty on coffee, and also to the shipping trade interest, the al ipping interwit, nor, he believed, the manu- by reducing the duty on timber. (Hear, hear.) factoring interest. Mr. Young then stated, and adduced Mr. G. F. YOUNG remarked that the shipping trade figures to show, that whatever increase there hail been in considered that the reduction of the timber duty would be our tonnage was not due to the repeal of the navigation of no benefit to them, but that it would operate as a laws, and then contended th a t th ere h a d actua ll y b een no b oun ty on the introduction of Baltic timber in foreign increase in our tonnage in the aggregate. He insulted upon shilis. the slow advance of British tonnage, and the accelerated The house then divided on the motion for the adjourn progress of foreign, since th e d a t e f free trade. If the meat : United States and this country kept their respective courses, Ayes 158-10 S the fernier, he contended, would poetess a large r mercantile Noes marine than Great Britain. The ship-building trade, which On strangers being readmited, Mr. Labouchere had represented in a highly prosperous Mr. DISRAELI was on his legs, asserting that the house state, Mr. Young asserted to be most deplorably depressed. had something more to do than to pass the measures of the He showed the injury which British shipping experienced government. It was not, he said, to be tolerated, when in the east from the competition of the large fleets of Ame- , questions concerning the great interests of the country were rican vessels from California, which had reduced freight I brought forward that a minister should get up and say, it so low that the capital of the shipowner was absorbed. was a waste of the time of the house to entertain them. Denying the truth of Mr. Laboucherc's propositions, He protested against the tone adopted by the minister. warning the house and the country not to rely too' The CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQI:EIt said ho much on official returns, he urged a recurrence to a . had no objection to discuss the motion, but there were sounder policy before it should be too late. He reiterated : many opportunities of bringing it on during the session, the complaint that, as a British shipwner, exposed I and it would be very inconvenient to bring it on now. to foreign competition, he was precluded by act of paella- I Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not say that the night meat from employing men whom he could obtain for half had been wasted, but that it had been occupied. the wages he had to pay to British sailors. He stated, of (Laughter. his own knowledge, that, whereas an English sailor de- I Mr. HARMS hoped that an opportunity would be minded 506. per month, and meat every day, a Swedish given to discuss the question. sailor could be had for 30a, and meat twice a week. He • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there here incidentally urged the importance of educating our would be opportunities of discussing the question beam the mariners, and declared his conviction that the British close of the ression. shipping interest was trembling on the very verge of ruin, . Sir J. PAKINOTON lisped that he would be a llowed to and that if the cheapest market principle was to Ise followed bring on the motion to-morrow. out, this country could never maintain a great mercantile I Mr. V. SMITH said the hon. baronet Illieat bring on his marine. motion now. (" Oh, oh.") Mr. J. WILSON observed that the speech of Mr. Young Mr. NEWDEGATE moved that the b'euso adjourn. The was in contradiction to the motion, for he traced the min- motion of his hon. friend involved a aur a of 400,0001. and it chiefs upon which he had expatiated to the reciprocity ought to he fully discussed. policy of Mr. Huskisson ; whereas the motion sought to Sir J. PAKINGTON did not want to divide the house, carry out that principle. From documentary evidence be if the government made some arreangement so that he could drew conclusions inconsistent with these of Mr. Herrin and I bring on his motion.—The houve divided : Mr. Young, and from a contrast between the American and For the adjournment 22 British trade, he made it appear that the latter was less Against it 146--124 encroached upon by foreigners than the former; of the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up 8,000,000 tons entered inwards and outwards is the United a clause to rectify a passage in one of the clauses of the Cus- States, 3,500,000 were foreign ; whereas of the 12,000,000 toms Bill, in which occurred an accidental contradiction of tons entered in Great Britain, only 3,900,000 were foreign. I a clause in an act paned soma years ago. The allegation tweeting the inroads of American vowels The bill wan then read a third time and passed. s;