The Express. — London, England, 1848-07-01 00:00:00

11UPER1AL PARLIAMENI. HOUSE OF LARDS.—Famy, Ana 30. The Loam Caattcauma took his mat at 5 cealaak. PIUVAIS BOHNER& SWORD READINGS.—Gbariew. Paisley, Siloam=b. and Railway 'Revision of Methane& of Tolls) ; London sad Soul! Western Railway Company's Adis Amendment (extension, de•lattolli sad new works); North drAardebire Itaiiway (Aaltbourne North Staffordshire Its/lway(dedelleast Witlingtoo); Newry and E n. WARM% Railway (amendment el dal% and to authorise arrangement With other oonipanlee); Lendraideelyesd Enniskillen Railway (relin quishment of linebetween Ono. dal aniskillen); Dundee sad Perth Railway (Dundee Junction); Debbi dud Arbroath Railway (Dundee Junction); Aberdeen Rail (eddrissasl marital)' Dinkier and Perth Railway (lease of the sad Arbroath R ailway)' York, Newcastle. and Berwick Railway (Great Now* of Enslaod, Ctarence, and Hartlepool Junction) ; London and Bliekwall liellwsy (improve meet and branches to the Sc. Kotharins's and London Docks) ; Glas gow, Paisley, and Greenock Railway (emendment snd branches); Midlood Junction Railway (soirudrnent and branches to - THIRD READINGS.-IMitaatsr and Dalton Dial toad; Man chester, Shahid, and Littoolnahire Railway (station approach at Manchester) ; Bills. PUBLIC BUSINESS. SECOND RIADINGS.—PubIic Health ; Imprisonment for Debt (Ireland); Bills. ROYAL ASSENT. The royal asset was given, by commissioa, to the follow- Ira Yarmouth Freemen's DieffilDebiatal•ll4PoOrAtolloo(lrelarld), Collector. of Cows (Deland), Midland Railway (Wellingborough ati prosebse),Nerth Western Railway (Skiploodiversioal, Aberdeen Rail way Mt Amendment; York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway Im provement. North British Railway (No. I) ;division of capital), Ken dal and Windermere Railway act Amendment, Yale of Reath Railway, Bristol and Pmter Railway (Glastonbury navigation and canal) ; Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, and Dublin Railway • Norfolk Eatemion, Great Yarmouth Coll Duties, Lanark and lismUt'on Court house and County stair,', Omtestry Market and VilitS, heat and West Looe Horbour and Bridge, Barrow Harbour, Derby Waterworks Com. pony, Oxford Paving, Liverpool Gas Light Dompany and Liverpool New Gas and Coke Company Anialgarnaion, Brentford Gan Light Awn Amendment, !triennia l b Light and Coke Company, Alrth and Uyde Navigation and Mulne and tkomtwidge Water, Herculaneum Dock Company, Bristol Docks Transfer, queenaferry Passage, Tyne Direct ' , errs, North of Scothuni hire and LIM Assurance Company, Patent Galianised Iron Comma, Battle.bridge and Holloway-road Mt Repeal, and Nantwich and Wheelock Turnpike-road; Bills. The lords commi shiners were the Lird Chancellor, the bu Earl of Shaftesry, end L dol Campheh. PUBLIC HEALTH BILL. Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reading of this bill, which he said might ho truly termed " the poor man's Ines. mare." (Hear, hear.) It would not be doubted that many of the causes of dilute,: were under the control of legislation ; and he would briefly show the effects of overcrowding, filth, and bad ventilaton in two counties — one agricultural an d the other manufacturing. lu Westmoreland, taking a po pulation of 10.000, 23 persons died of epidemic diseases, whilst in Lanca-hire the proportion was 53 to 10,000. In the former county the deaths from diseases of the respiratory or gans were 47 in 10,000, and in the latter 73 in the same number. Of those who died prematurely, that was be tween the ages of 20 and 60, the number in Westmore land was 49 and in Lancashire Gd. The noble and learned lord then went i..to a comparison of the state of health in an agricultural union in Lancashire and a manufacturing union in the same county--the union of ;Ulverstone and the union of Liverpool, which show ed that the average rate of mortality was 11111C11 higher in the latter place. In the union of Ulverstone, in a population of 10,000, 13 persons died from epidemic diseases, whilst in the union of Liverpool 73 person died from the same cults. In fact he might safely say an to Lancashire, that, taking the average, every person there was curtailed of nineteen years of his natural life. He would now state same of the good effects that bad taken place from proper attention to sewerage, dealing., and ventilation. Everyone must remember that formerly the gaol fever otter curl: al off judge. juries, and prisoners together; but now, in consequence of proper at tention being paid to the health of gaols, the gaol fever was never heard of. The noble and hemmed lord cited o her in stances of a similar character. The sufferings of the lower orders from the want of efficientunituy mesaures had been very great, and had naturally attracted the attention of the government. Lord Normanby in 1841, and Lord Lincoln in 1814, had brought tl.e subject befere parliament ; and finally, he was happy to say, his noble friend, Lord Morpeth, had succeeded in carrying this bill through the House of Common. The noble lord then went into an explanation of the nature and objects of the bill, and concluded by moving that ft be read a second time. The Duke of BUCCLEL'CH geed his cordial assent to the bill. The Earl of DEVON made a few observations, which were not heard in the gallery. Lord PORTMAN thought the country must feel greatly indebted to the pre s ent ministry for bringing forward so excellent a measure--ono which would be productive of the greatest good to the whole community. The Bishop of OXFORD begged t.) call the attention of the government to the 74th and 73di daunts ci! the bill, which gave authority to the local boards to shut up burial grounds within towns. They might do this for their own interests if they were proprietors of a burial ground outside the town. He won!d therefore suggest that the consent of the bishop should he obtained before they could do so. He also thought that the power given to the local boards, with respect to the rights of the poor to parochial sepulture should be modified. He rejoiced that such a bill had come to their lordships' house, because he entertained a deep feeling of its necessity. Lord REDESDALE hoped that sufficient time would be given to consider the bill before it was committed, as it mud i be the object of all to make it as pirfect as possible before it passed into a law. The Duke of ARGYLL concurred is the opinion of the utility and value of a sanitary bill. He therefore hoped its provisions would be extended to Scotland, as no place* stood more io need of it than Glasgow and the old town of Edin burgh. (Hear.) Lord CAMPBELL said that the observations of the right rev. prelate would 100 considered by the government. The same reamin that existed for net apeeying the provisions of the bill to the metropolis existed with regard to Scotland. The law of Scotland was different to the law of England ; the same machinery did not exist there, and therefore a separate bill would be required :or that part of the United Kingdom. The noble lord was understood to say that at a future period he hoped a sanitary bill for Scotland would be ntroduced. (Hear.) The bill was then read a second time and ordered to be committed on Friday. The house adjourned at 7 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FRIDAY, JUNE 30. The BNe.AXan took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE RUSIN E 93. SECOND READlNGS. 7 lllc;hiWaiejif;riabireßallway (Amend ment of Ante and Regulation of Capital); Newton', Estate; Bills REPORTS CONSIDEREIX—Leith Municipality and Police Trusts, Markets, Paving, and Sanitary Improvement (two clauses axed amend. meats to be proposed) (by order); London and Blackwall Railway (esonyeting branch, Be.) ; Cromford-bridge and Manchester-road ; Bills. LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED.—Cheater Cemetery: Manchester South Junction and Altriurham Railway ; Oxford, Wor cester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. I) (Increase of Capital) ; Whitehaven Junction Railway ; Bills. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS.—In favour of further p erliamentary reforms, by Mr. BROTHERTON, from a place in Lancashire ; Mr. S. CRAWFORD, from Rochdale; Col. SALWF.Y, from Manchester; Col. THOMPSON, from Bradford; Mr. WILSON, from Clitheroe; Mr. J. B. SMITH, from Manchester '3O pe Aims) ; Lord D. STUART, from St. Pan cras (this petition for the people's shatter) ; and from other parts of Maryletene ; Mr. ACME, from Manchc.ter (50), with 83 na.. tures ; from magistrates and town council of Hayrick, Wined by Chairman (I); Holmes Chapel and vicinity (I). 66; Royston (2), 21 Harwich (I), 15 ; Liverpool, eommercial clerks, (1)3; London (2), 35; Strood, Keot (1), ; Nridport (I), 1; Bristol (Sc,) 23; Stow, near Edinburgh (N,. 43; lefene t. , 1 ; i)O. f Eatot, D;rby, ; (WhWhite =ilefftliAlDEl.lllarerd SURREY , fro m the porters of the CI; mesa, praying that ercumstances respecting their remuneration might be takes Into conscieratlon.—Sir .1. TYRELL, front Colchester, against the sugar duties measure.—Mr. J. L. RICARIIO, from the Potteries (5), for the promotion of temperance. SURVEY OF THE METROPOLIS. Sir B. BALL asked what arrangements had been made for the completion of the survey of the metropolis; what was likely to be the cost of that survey, including the military pay of the parties employed, and whether the whole was to be defrayed by the rate -t ayes of the metropolis ? Viscount MORPETH said the commissioners of sewers were of opinion that in no other way could they procure such a survey as they required except through the means of the Board of Ordnance. It was quite true, as had been repre sented, that the civil engineers sad surveyors of the metro polis had offered to complete a survey in six month' for 18,2001. ; but the t ommissioners did cot think the offer a de sirable one. The commissioners had completed an agree ment with the board of ordnance fur the entire survey ; and if the weather continued clear, the survey would be cern. pleted in about six months at a cost of. 1901 , 51. for the block plan, toe coat being only one-tenth more than that of the civil engineers' tender, whilst the work done would be more than double. The cost of the survey would be entirely de frayed out of the rates. Sir D. L. EVANS asked some questions on the subject, which were replied to by . Viscount Morpeth and Col. Anson, in so low a tone of voice that neither question nor answer was heard. Mr. WYLD complained of this, and observed that the question was of great importance. Col. ANSON was sorry he had not spoken more distinctly. Re had explained that the whole of the charge of the persons employed in making the survey, would be paid by the com mies' ioners of sewers. There were three companies of sappers and miners employed, and the entire cost on their account would be 19,94,51. Mr. WYLD suggested that a special act of parliament would be required to erable government to pay the troops in such a way. (Laughter.) Col. ANSON said that if the hon. member looked at the ordnance estimates, he would find that three companies of sappers and miners were charged to the survey vote. NEW WRITS FOR SLIGO. Mr. STAFFORD then moved that Mr. Speaker do issue his warrant to the c:erk of the crown in Ireland, to make eat • new writ for the electing of a burgess to in this wont parliament for the borough of Slurs, in the room of Charles Towneli y, Esq., whose election has been determined to be void. The bon. member said this borough had always sent members to parliament who were assiduous in their attendance in that how o. . . . . The hon. member was interrupted by the entrance of Mack Rod, who desired, on the part of her Majesty's Lords Commissioners, the attendance ot the house in the Rouse of Peers, to hear the royal assent given to ascend hilh. On the Speaker's return, he informed the house that the royal assent had been given by commissiin to several bills, for which see Lends' report. Mr. STAFFORD resumed. The commi tee which had sat on the Sligo election hat made no special report, and ad duced no allegation agedast the constituency beyond this— that there had been tee Mug carried into effect among them. There was no thkrue shown against them of having been bribed. This was peculiarly a per,od at which Ireland was 'staled to hay, all her npreesutatires moat in that house, for, by • angular chance, or fate, whichever it was, Irish business had only just commenced in that assembly. The hon. meinter then put his motion. Mr. HUMS said it was altogether contrary to precedent te move the issue of • new writ until the evidence before the isonuni•tes which had inquired into • previous election wee printed and before the house. He should emu the motion. Mr. ANSTEY supported the issuing of the writ. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL agreed with the hon. member for Montrose, that the house ought not to proceed in this matter until the evidence before the committee had been submitted to the consideration of the house. He believed that in point of fact there had been much caruption com mitted at the late Sligo election. Col DUNNE had no desire to keep any constituency un represented for • longer period than was essential to the purposes of justice, but he had certainly felt that the house should, before issuing • new writ in this case, be in a pod tlon to form a judgment as to the late election, from a perusal of the evidence. Sir J. HANMER could not understand the distinctian between bribery and treating, as, media of corruption. (Hear, hear.) With reference to keeping • borough unre presented, he denied that this was neecusrily unconstitu tional. Mr. BANKES did not concur in the propriety of placing bribery and treating in the name category of corruption. He supported the issue of the writ. Sir G. GREY urged the house to assent to the delay of a few days, requisite for the production of the printed evidence. Mr. NEWDEG ATE said that the report of the commit tee made no such charge against the Sligo constituency as should render them liable to a lengthened privation of their elective franchise. Mr. WRIGHTSON (chairman of the committee) nil' that he was not aware of anything in the evidence which should justify the suspension of the writ, and he therefore saw no reason for waiting until the evidence was printed. Mr. SPOONER supported the issuing of the writ. Sir R. PEEL said that he should have voted for the sus pension of the writ for a few days, until the printed evid nee was before the house, but alter the statement of the hon. chairman just made to the house he saw no reason for fur ther suspending the writ. Mr. HUME quite admitted that after the statement re ferred to be did not feel called upon to persist in his amend ment. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the original motion be ice agreed to the writ was ordered to issue. Mr. V. SMITH, said that as there wee confessedly nothing material in the evidence before the Sligo committee, it would be worse than useless to put the country to the expense of printing it, sad he would therefore move that the order for printing that evidence be discharged. ( Hear, hear.) Mr. 0. GORE, however, having intimated that the evi dence was considered likely to be useful for collateral pur poses, Mr. V. entre withdrew his motion. BOROUGH OF GREAT YAR'iIOUTIL On the motion of Mr. STAFFORD. • new writ was or dered for this borough, without opposition (the bill for the disfranchisement of the freemen received the royal assent this day). SPAIN. Mr. URQUHART then rose, pursuant to notice, to put a question to the Foreign Secretary, with reference to • re turn of the 30th May, reap sting the arms end ammunition furnished to Spain 'op this country. On a former occasion the noble lord hail stated that money was due by Spain to this country; suheequently a return, moved for by the ton. member for Pontefract, while giving other particu'ars, made no mention of any money due from Spain to this country. He wished to know which of the two—the noble viscoent's statement or the return—was to be taken as representing the real fact of the case, the more especially as, from another paper presented that morning, the house was in formed that the Spanish government owed us 564,0001., ad vanced in money or goods, under the quadruple treaty ? Lord PALMERSTON said that the bon. member would have seen by the returns that had been laid on the table some time ago what the amount of the claim unsatisfied by the Spanish government was The claim had been admitted, although it woe not yet paid, Mr. URQUHART risked when the correspondence moved for and ordered respecting the attack on tho Mosquito terri tory would be I iid on the table ? Lord PALMERSTON said on Monday next. Mr. URQUHART had another question to pat to the noble lord. (Oh, oh ) On the 6th of March the nob:e lord had agreed to produce certain documents and correspondence which he had required in order to rebut MOO imputations which bad been made upon him in a formal manner. A few days ago some papers were laid on the table purporting to he the documents ordered to be produced in conformity to the order of the house. The papers so ordered to be laid on the table were letters dated in the yeses 1837 and 8; whereas the date of the earliest letter contained in the returns on the table was the year 1838. He wished to have an explanation of this circumstance from the noble lord opposite. Lord PALMERSTON said that during • former debate he had read a letter from Mr. Backhoine, and some printed papers relative to the Portfolio which he hail promised to lay on the table of the house, as he considered it to be the duty of • minister to do after be had read or quoted such papers In the house. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member subse quently moved an unopposed return for the correspondence relating to his ree.al from the post of secretary of embassy at Constantinople ; hut as soon as he (Lord Palmerston) found that he bad done so he signified that bad he known what the papers is used for were he never would have consented to their being granted, fur it was °Denary to constitutional practice for the government to be called upon to state any reasons for the rem' of a diplomatic agent from abroad. (Hear, hear.) lie therefore stated to the bon. member that if he had given notice of the correspondence he was going to move for ho (Lon I Palmerston) should have opposed it, upon which tbo hon, member stated he was willing to take what documents be was ready to give. He then told the hon. member that he ob jected to let such a motion remain on the journals of the house, and that if he would not move that it be rescinded, ht himself would. The hon. member did so, and then gave notice of his intention to move for other papers. He (Lord Palmerstot.) confessed he was to blame, for he saw the notice at the time, which was for correspondence of the yews 1837 and 1838, whereas the correspondence laid on the table was dated 1839. But what correspondence he had espied to produce was of the latter date, and not of 1837-8, and us. less the house were to compel him to do so, he should con tinue to object to produce the cerreepondence in question, es that would establish • very inconvenient precedent. Mr.URQUHART rose to revive the noble lord's memory, but wsa interrupted by cries of " spoke." Mr. C. ANSTEY moved that the house do now adjourn. Mr. URQUHART said that the noble lord's statement was the reverse of the fact. His hon. friend (Mr. C. Annoy) would bear witness that the papers referred to by the noble lord as having been those promised by him, related to the debate of the Ist of March. The occasion when the noble lord promised him to produce the correspondence was on the 6th of March, and in what he had said the noble lord bad made as great a deviation from the etatement of facts as that which had been the subject of conversation some nights ago. He now called on the noble lord to fulfil the conditions of the return as ordered to be made by the house, and to produce the correspondence of 1837 and 1838. Ihe noble lord had slipped through his finger' half a dozen times, but he would put it to the house whether they were to be satisfied with his refusal to comply with the order entered In the journals. If the noble lord, however, would consent to withdraw the imputations which he cast upon him, he (Mr. Urquhart) would agree to press the matter no farther. (A laugh.) Lord PALMERSTON said that oa the occasion when the hon. member gave notice of bit intention to move for the correspondence in question, be had ailed on him to retract the imputation conveyed by his (Lord Palmerston's) having 'attributed the hon. member's hodility to his recal— (a laugh)—be had refused to do so. That was his opinion. It might be right, or it might be wrong ; but he certainly should not retract it, as he entertained such an opinion. He had produced the correspondence which he had agreed to do, and he should only say that if the House of Commons called upon him to produce the remainder of the letters he should do so, bat not otherwise. Lord MAHON rose, not to question the propriety of the noble lord's refusal to produce the correspondence, but to submit to his consideration the fact whether it was not highly inconvenient that an order of the house to produce certain papers should be disobeyed ? Lord J. RUSSELL agreed that the order ought to be re scinded, and stated that he should take it into his considera tiou how this could be best effected. Mr. URQUHART again urged his question as to what course the government intended to take respecting the incomplete return to which he had already called attention ? LordJ.RUSSELL said that he should on some future day move that the present order I e rescinded, and make a fresh motion (or papers in conformity with those laid on the table of the house. Mr. BAILEY said that the conduct of the noble lord (Palmerston) was not candid, for he ought to have come down and expressed his determination not to giant the pa pers snored for when they were first ordered. Lord PALMERSTON said that the terms of the motion never caught his attention. But he must say that after the hon. member had expressly consented to withdraw his mce lion for the correspondence respecting his recal, it never en tered his imagination that he would move for those very papers in the manner he had done. But perhaps it was hie own fault that he had not lo deed more narrowly into the words of the hon. member's motion. After some further conversation the subject dropped, and the mode* for adjournment was withdrawn. ARMS LANDED IN PRANCE. - - - Mr. WYLD took the opportunity et asking the noble lord opposite whether he had received any information to the effect that a British vessel, aden wish arms, had been seized off the coast of Brittany, whilst engaged in the attempt to land them? Lord PALMERSTON said that he bad not heard of any such seizure. Reports had been circulated in quarters where such statements ought not to have been heard, that the British government had given encouragement to attempts at disturbance in France, and he was happy to take the present opportunity of stating that nothing could be more false than such r ports. The government had every reason to acknowledge the fair and handsome manner in which the Provisional Government had conducted the intercourse between the two countries, and he hoped no one would doubt that the conduct of the British government towards Fiance was equally lair. Therefore, if the hon. member's question related to any supposition that the arms ssid to be seized were sent to France by the govern- ment, he must state that nothing could be more unfounded. Mr. WYLD said that he had never meant to imply that the British government had sent the arms; but what he soil was, that a British 'teasel had been seized whilst landing wan, and that the muabdpal authorities in Brittany had THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 1, 1848. oiiiiisneeof the matter. It was aecemery that the report sberaill be anstradieted. • Lard PALMERSTON gala that if any privet* adveatstrer had been detected in the aet of landing arm., the French authorities were competent to dual with him according to the law. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS. Mr. HUME begged to ask the right hon. baronet the Chancellor of the Eachequer whether the government had taken any steps to carry into effect the resolution come to on a former evening respeeting the mode of keeping the public accounts The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he would reply to the question on Monday. Mr. ANSTEY begged to assure the right hon. baronet the Chancellor of the Exchequer that the observations whch he made on the preceding evening relative to the Irish de putation on the rum duties, had been misrepresented in several of the papers. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was quits satisfied that the hon. member had not made the observations imputed to him. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. _ _ Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to a question put by Mr. A. Stafford, said that it would depend on the progress made in the business on the paper whether the house met to-mor row (this day) or not. - ------- SUGAR DUTIES. The house then went into committee on the sugar duties. ' On the first resolution being put from the chair, Mr. BRIGHT r -se to move the amendment of which be bad given notice. The question was whether there should be • large or • small increase made in the amount of the pro. ' tectioe now given to West India sugars. The debate that had just cloned had entirely destroyed the pros eeltions brought forward by the noble lord, but there was one thing in particular wh.ch could not have failed to strike any petsan who had heard the discussion—namely, that one great party to the question had been totally overlooked, and that was the great I clan of sugar consumers in the three kingdoms for whose benefit the act of 1846 had been paned. Now, he goad 'here on behalf of that ,4rrat claw by whom sugar was chi. fly con sumed ; and he asked the committee to refuse to alter the act of 1846. The question had been debited on two prin. cited grounds—namely, slavery and protection to the Went Indians. Great in mpatity h .d been expressed for the slaves in the Bruits and the Africans yet in their native country ,• and the hon. baronet opposite (Sir J. Pekington) had talked about the holy struggle which ended in the Emancipation Bill of 1832. But numben of those hon. nu mbers (includ. ing the hon. baronet the member for Oxford) had abstained during the debannon the Slavery Act from making any efforts in support of that luw,and man, indeed, had voted against it. It had been urged that there was a great falling off in West Indian produce, but to come to a correct cenclusion on that point they should take en average of • number of years, be cause in the ordinary course of trade it happened that one year's importation was, from accidental cause., greater than that of another. In 1845 the importation of slaves into Culla, as stated in the r, turns prepared by the Went India brg;y, amounted to 32,000, and in 1846 it had risen to 64,000. Now he wished to call the attention of the house to the dig. honesty with which these returns had been prepared. It was intended to prove that the impulse given to the slave trade by the bill of 1846 was felt directly. But it should be recollected that the government which passed that bill did not come into power until that year, and that the bill itself was introduced on the 20th of July. No positive information respecting it could reach Cuba until the end of August, after which the slave ships must be sent to Africa. Now, he would ask the house whether,under such circumstance, the bill of 1846 could have had any effect on the importation of slaves during that year ? (Hear, hear.) What became of the argument, when it was known that in 1847 the importation had gene down to 63,000? (Ilear, hear.) Ile contended that the whole case broke down as regarded the impulse given to the importation of slaves into Cuba and Brazil by the bill of 1846. The right hon. member for Oxford University had said that what the planters wanted was money ; and that the compensation they had received amounted to only 4.5 per cent. of their value. Well, granting that to be true, how much that compensation come to, as compared to the previous trade of the colonies, to Which compeneation was awarded ? lle would take Jamaica, Trinidad, and Guiana. The largest exports of Jamaica were in 1833, when it amounted in value to 3,148,000!. That amount, allowing 10 per cent., would leave a profit of 314,0001. Now the share of the compensa ion money which was received by Jamaica was 6.150,0001 ,and that sum if invested at five per cent. would yield an income of 375,0001., being within 7,3001. of ten per cent. on the whole export. (Hear, hear.) In Tri nidad and Guiana a similar calculation would give an income of thirteen per cent. on the entire export' of both colonies That was certainly a higher profit than the majority of traders looked for in this country, but he believed that ii the whole of the West Lidice were taken the interest of the cora l:caution money would give an income of fifteen per cent. on the whole previous annual amount of their exports. But that was not all. Besides getting such an enormous compen sation the planters retained they estates, their buildings, their implements, and all th, it floating capital. Surely, then, they h received ample equivalent for the diflerenre of price between slave and tree labour. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the apprenticeship system, it had beea said that it had lasted only lour years instead of six. He was not going to upbraid the planters with the cause of that sudden change, but of this he was sure that the feeling which bad caused the abolition of the apprenticeship was caused by well authenticated complaints that the planters did not mean to abide by the state of freedom. Something had been said of an implied contract between the planters and the parliament of England at the time of emancipa lion. He hal never heard of such a contract, hut if such had ever existed, it was highly dishonourable to the contracting parties. No such contractcould bind the people of England to submit to a monopoly. But the colonists had a monopoly for upwards of eleven years, to the extent of 15e. per cwt , which, looking et the selling price of sugar in all the other markets of the world, gave them a sum of not less than thirty millions sterling in addition to the twenty millions granted in 1834. If this were true, he should like va know whether parliament owed anything to the cote cite, or whether all was not due to the people of this coun tzerewouh padut heedan en g rievously v :y aa tlt y s iro a rltf46 1 y . 'Ph e e noble maa a t y d the member for Lynn seamed to contend that it was the duty of parliament to make the production of sugar in the British West Indies a profitable occupation. Suppose they took that for granted, was the sugar trade the only trade requiring elegance? (hear, hear.) Ile could take the noble lord round all the staple trades of this country, and show him that during last year not one had been carried on at • profit. (ling, hear.) There was not one of them which could point to '2O years of monopoly, with a profit of 60 per cent. How was it in other parts of the world ? In India the ryot had no prom ction in the cultivation of his cotton, nor had the Australian any for hie wool. Did the noble lord know that the price of that article had fallen from It 9d. to Is. the pound ? Why, parliament could do nothing else, if it were to entertain such questions as these. (Hear, hear.) This heavily taxed country was new called upon to give assistance to the colonies, and at such a time it would be a proper subject of inquiry to ask whether the colonists had done their duty. He had had a good deal of con versation lately with gentlemen from Guiana, Trial- 1 dad, and Jamaica, who told him that in Guiana such • thing as a plough was unknown, there was no drain age, and, in point of fact, everything was done in the rudest possible manner. From Trinidad he had the most , express information that sometimes hogsheads of surfer were kept from the beach because the roads were impassable, al though only for a distance of five miles. (Hear, hear.) In fact, he was informed that, with the finest soil and climate in the world, Trinidad was almost wholly without roads. (Bear, beer ) Then, in Jamaica: had the planters con structed the Jamaica Railway ? (Hear, hear.) On the con trary, had it not been begun and finished with funds supplied by men who repudiated protection altegether ? (Hear.) He now came to their trade regulations, and being in trade himself, he could speak with some confideace on this point. What were the trade arrangements in the colonies ? In the first place, the great majority of the estates were 'amigo, to be in the hands of mortgagees. (No, no.) It was • fact, and had been acknowledged. (Hear, hear.) What was the course with an estate which was in the hands of mange • gees? The nominal owner had no control ; the mortgagee was the real owner, and what the British parliament was now asked to do, was to pay off the mortgages, and allow the planter to work as if he had never mortgaged. (Hear, hear.) How could business so carried on be profitable ? The mortgagee residing in England took care that the produce came over to him and in his ships, making such charges for freight, brokerage, and commission as he thought proper. Besides, everything required in the shape of stores or machinery went through hie hands, and every one could guess the terms on which such transactions were conducted. (Hear, hear.) It had been complained that the West Indies bad no trade except with this country, the fact being that they could not send to America, because the mortgagees instated on the produce coming to England. Another evil attending this was, that the American ships which brought provisinn, not being able to get retires cargoes, took away nearly all the specie of the islands, and paid it away in Cuba for cargoes of sieve-grown sugar. (Hear, hear.) On the subject of the impediments which stood in the way of colonial success in trade, he held in his hand a letter which he had received from • member of the Jamaica House of Assembly, and which he would take leave to read to the house. The hon. member proceeded to read the letter, the purport of which was that the West Indians could not prosper until relieved from the exactions of absentee mortgagees. That in addition to other means by which they were plundered, the mortgagee was at the same time a ship owner, and sent out his ship to his planting attorn, wi.h positive orders to fill it from certain estates indicate ey The attorney then wrote to the overseer, who, perhaps, answered that the canes were not ripe—in fact, that the number which would make 100 hhds. of ripe would only make 60 at that moment. The attorney, however, fearirg • supersedeas, was imperative, and canes were frequently cut at eleven months, when, at least, fifteen would be necessary to ripen them pro ', perly. The writer stated that he had frequently followed the sum to the wharf, and had seen the molasses dripping from the casks. Now, on this alone, considering that the profit on rum as compared with sugar was as one to two, the lose must be enormous. (Hear, hear.) The writer continued to state that ho bad offered himself to ship sugars at cheaper rates, but the general answer of the planter was, _that he must ship in the vessels Cl his mortgagee. Indeed, sugar might be seen lying in the whorls for months tagether, and iu one case a lot bad lain for five months to be shipped at last at • freight of ss. per cwt., while several ships had some and gone which would have taken them at 4s. (Hear.) He (Mr. Bright) considered it would be a great bless ing if such burdeas were removed, instead of pro posing to re-euact protective duties and increase the taxes on the British people. (Hear, hear.) He now came to a point which had been alluded to by the right bon. member for Tamworth ; he meant the extraardieary ex pences of the colonies. There was no doubt but that the oolenists had great and just cause of complaint en that sr re. (Hear, hear ) His conespendent before qu Oed informed him that one great grievance of the colonials was the am, mem soma el taxation. Any memorial passed by the Hose Met Assemblysin tbe direction of reform in the expendi ture Mee sure to be rejected by the coutwil, she members of I whisk with one solitary exception, were placemen. There was the Lord Bishop, with 3,0001. a year • the Chief e m cees, 3,0001. ; the general commanding, 4,0001. ; and the Yiee4Jbasce ll or, 2,6001. ; with several others of lesser neeeetille. Besides this there was a council fund of 6,0001., he dr eependiture of which the council invariably refused Fet. Besides all this, the governor (Sir C. Grey) had : 7 • year, and the secretary 1,8001. He maintained mush a scale of expenditure was an intolerable grievance so the colonists. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord the weat her for Lynn had alleged that in consequence of the reduc• den in the price of niter several large West India houses bad fallen. Why, they were insolvent before. They had departed altogether from the regular course of trade, and l ess consequence was that their estates would now pay only three or four shillings in the pound. Was it to support houses of description that parliament was about so largely to in crease the taxation of the country ? (Hear.) He was sorry that the noble lord at the head of the government had again raised the much-vexed question of protection. He should recollect that in 1841 his government was broken up on that question, and that in 1846 that of the right hon. baronet opposite met a similar fate. Even so lately as that morning the present cabinet of the noble lord was sn «mica& mortis, and was only saved by the extreme unction of fllteen votes, the givers of which differed entirely from the noble lord on the principle of the question. (" lieer," and laughter.) The tact was—and he deeply regretted it—that this discussion had been carried on without any reference to the interests of the people of this country. The noble lord had rained the question of protection again after be had himself burled it. If he Lad been the noble lord he would have demanded the bill of 1816 to the list on its results, for never had beneficial results flowed more ra pidly than upon the passing of the bill of 1846. (Hear ) Lord J. RUSSELL.—I stated that. Mr. BRIO HT.—The result had been equally favourable as regarded consumption and revenue. He would take three periods of eight months each; one before and the other two after the pniaing of the bill of 1846. The whole consumptiou was:—ln the first eight months, 3,550,000 cwt.; in the second eight moths, 4,319.000 cwt. ; in the third eight months, 4,235,000 cwt. Showing an increase of the second period over the first of 795,000 ewts., and of the third over the first of 680,000 cwt.. With regard to revenue, equally favourable result. had accrued. The amount of revenue received was:—ln the first eight months, 2,516,0001; in the second eight months, 3,405,0081. ; in the third eight months, 3,021,0001. So that the revenue gained nearly a million. (Hear, hear.) He disapproved of the proposal for immigration, as calculated to che pen labour un duly as against the coloured population of the West Indies, and to demoralise them by introduzing amongst them the vices of the African tribes. There was another point in considering this part of the ques tion, which must not be lost sight of More than one-half of the sugar imported was not the produce of those ccnonies where there was a defic , ency of labour. From Barhadoes, the Mauritius, rad the hose Inures, where labour was abundant, we imported 163,000 tons, leaving only 137,000 as coming from those West India colonies which were com plaining of want of labour. Yet by the proposition of the government this amount of pea, ction was to he given not only to those colonies where there was an insufficient supply of labour and consequent distress, but to those also where labour was phmtiml, and where there we. no necessity for the protection. Why, was ever a more monstrous proposition put firward ? It woe in effect that because one man alleged that there was a debt due to him, therefore not only should he be paid, but that compensation should be awarded to all who were related to him. (Lieu.) If anything were due to the West Indian coluniee, let them send in their account of what there was to pay, and let it be paid and done with ; but let not this country be called upon to pay not only these who considered they had claims against us, but those who had no claims whatever. [An Ilon. Member : " You would never get a receipt in furl."] He agreed with his hon. friend that the West India body would never give a receipt in full. They were like Oliver Twist, alwaysasking for " more, more." And the concession which was now about to be made would hereafter be made the ground for new demands. It would be urged hereafter--" You admitted by your measure of 1848 that the settlement of 1846 was no settlement, there is still something more due to us,"—and they would continue to make new claims until they were in a state ul prosperity, which under the protective system they would never be. (Hear, hear.) The bon. member for Westbury had put for. ward a theory, or rather two theories—one in the house and the other out of doors—(hear, and a laugli)—the one in the house being that full compensation would be obtained E.r any increase in price by the fell of duty to 10s. a cwt. He admitted that as a general ru'o low duties were advantageous to the revenue to a certain extent, and to the consumer eto gether ; hut out of doors the hon. gentleman had another theory, which was that the highest dote regu lated the price, and that the price regulated the consumption (" him, hear," from Mr. Wilson). But by the prop-isi• ion of the government it would nut be until the year 1652 that the consumer would be is any better position, fur any reduc tion of the duty on colonial sugar could not have the effect, according to the hen. member's own theory that the highest duty regulated price, until the lowest duty on foreign sugar came into operation. (Hear, hear.) But again, an to any advantage resulting to the consumer as accompanying this proposition, it might be had without any increase of protec tion. (Hear.) It was the duty of government to stimu late consuropion, not increase protection. (Hear.) The noble lord (J. Russell) said be looked to increased consump tion for the prosperity of the colonies ; and there could be no doubt if the noble lord could steer the colonies through the present storm, and facilitate consumption here, he would be conferring a great benefit both on the grower of sugar and the consumer. Those who had spoken in favour of the present measure had estimated the lass that wculd result to the revenue at from 10,0001. to 40,0001. lie hoped the hon. member for Westbury would, in the course of the present debate, explain the rounds of that calculation. If there should be an enormous increase of consumption it was probable that the loss would not exceed that amount; but if, as the hon. gentleman (Mr. Wilson) had said, the highest duty always regulated the price, and price regulated the consumption, there would be no increased consumption—except iamb as sense from increased population —tor some years to come. He would assume the quantity of sugar returned for home consumption during those years at 240,000 tons of colonial and 60,000 tons of foreign ; and taking tne highest duty under the bill of 18-16, and coin paring it with the highest duty under the bill of 1848, he found that the loss on the first year's revenue would be 16.5,0001. ; on the second, 405,0001. ; on the third, 645,0001. : on the fourth, 88.5,0001.; and on the fifth, 935,0001. These were very different amounts from 10,0001. or 40,0001, as stated by the noble lord and the hon. gentleman. (Hear, hear.) He thought the noble lord must have founded his calculation on the supposition that the fall of duty was on the smaller quantity and not on the larger ; whereas the at fall of duty was on the colonial sugar, which was the larger quantity, the loss upon which would commence from Ju y in the present year. The total loss he estimated at up wards of 3,000,0001, against which any revenue arising from increased consumption, consequent on increased population, or greater power to comae me (which t • hoped there would be), was not to be set, inasmuch as that revenue would be ob tained independent of this bill, and without this loss. (Hear.) And certainly, for a Chancellor of the Exchequer who was at his wits' end for money—who had to bring forward ano ther budget before the session closed—(hear, hear)—and to state in what way—whether by imposing an additional tax on real property or otherwi-e—he will raise the money stow miry for supplying the deficiency in the revenue and carrying on the pudic service ; for a Chancellor of the Exchequer and the government to which he belonged under such cir cumstances to attempt to tinker a measure passed only in 1846, and which had already produced such admirable re sults to the commerce and to the revenue of the country, was a spec:men of statesmanship he should have thought much too extraordinary and absurd for the middle of the nineteenth century. (Hear and a laugh.) Bat had the Chan• cellor of the Exchequer considered that he war not now legislating on a matter of revenue, but for protection to the West India body ? (Hear.) And protection being the issue, he protested against the increase of duties the resolu tion proposed, and contended that it was a most unstates manhae proceeding, and at the same time most unjust to those who were engaged in the sugar trade. Ha had letters from a gentleman stating that, trusting to the act of 1846, and to the declaration of the government in May last that the duty of 18s. 6d. on foreign sugar would commence from the 6th of July, orders had been sent out for 60 or 80 cargoes, and in some cases vessels had been sent out in ballast to bring back foreign sugar. lie asked, was it con sistent with the dignity of the government of this treat country thus to break faith, and probably to inflict ruin on those who had trusted to their declarations ? (Hear, hear. ) Never before had parliament been called upon to take a step so completely in the dark, and so contrary to all experience, as on this occasion. The noble lord had no reason to believe now, any more than he had on the 30th of May, that the measure would benefit the West Indian body. The hon. member for Westbury—whom he had hitherto looked up to as an authority, and at whose feet he had sat as his Oamaliel —(a laugh)—but who now, contrary to all his former opinions, advocated this measure—he was sure had co faith in it. (Heat, hear.) No member on the Treasury bench really believed that it would do good to the West Indies, while they must be convinced that it could do no good to the consumer or the revenue. (Hear, hear.) On the other side of the house, and amongst the representatives of the West India interest, not one had spoken in favour of the measure; nor were there scarcely two opinions agreed as to the nature of the relief which the West India colonies really required: and the right hon. baronet the member for Tam worth had distinctly given it as his conviction that protec tion would be injurious rather than advantageous to them, and, that being his view, he took it that the right hon. baro net would vire with him against the government proposal. (" Hear," and a laugh.) The noble lord had said that all that was required was capital: but with this system ot legislation--a fiscal measure in 1846, another in 18414 and an other which would be clamoured for three =who hence—what encouragement was these for the %we ment of capital ? If there was one thing which capital shunned more than another, it was uncertainty. I The noble lord had told them that immigration had failed ; yet he now proposed • grant of 500,0001., to promote imigra tion. Again, the noble lord said that a 10s. protection would raise the wages of labour and increase the evil now complained of ; but if 10s. would do it, surely 7s. would do it to a corresponding degree. (Hear, hear.) Why did not the noble lord leave the protectionists to fight out their battle on the question of protection? If the noble lord was still a free trader, if he still professed the doctrines of Adam Smith, and the published doctrines of the hon. mess bar for Westbury—(hear, hear) —why did he not adhere to them ? He knew not on which aide to look for the most conclusive arguments against the govern ment measure. It was repudiated by those for whose benefit it was brought forward ; all parties condemned it, and there were hardly two opinions agreed on the question it was brought forward to meet, lie objected to the measure as being • departure from the settlement of 1846, to tim re e. -op oi en . o r th ) er Le queati t the principle sugar, corn, en l other articles, and the decision then come :o was in accordance with the opinion of the vest majority were determi ned at t ted hat o in f d free m Ü be :a l bs sound or not, it was adopted in 1846 as to of the people of this country. Let that principle have that fair trial which even its opponents admitted it ought to have. (Hear.) The noble lawn was now about to disturb that principle u regarded sugar, and before long he might be called moo C oyle re open it to another article. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. y.) The hon. member for the North Biding of Yorkshire cheered when he (Mr. Bright) said that corn would be the next article on which they would be called OD CO retrace their steps. He hoped, however, the noble lord would be more firm with regard to corn than he was with regard to sugar—if he was not, he doubted whether he would escape even by a majority of 15. (" Hear," and a laugh.) The noble lord was without blame to himself at the head of a government which wes in an unfortunate position in retard to finance, and it was his duty to consider now he would make up the present deficiency before he increased it. That he had done that which would sacrifice revenue, he injurious to the sugar consumer of this country—that which the West Indians themselves repudiated, and which the committee of the house did not recommend—that which would unsettle • great settlement, was, be thought, matter of blame to the noble lord and his government. Standing by the bill of 1846 they might have defied any combin itiou of mistaken philanthropy on the one side, lied of monopoly on the other. As it was, they hail given to their opponents an advantage they would not recover ; and as he thought the measure alike pernicious to this c mntry and the West Indies, he would move as an amendment, " That it was not desirable to make any alteration in the sugar duties of 1846." ( Hear, hear.) Mr 0. BERKELEY thee to oppose the motion, and to defend the planters of the West Indies from the imputations thrown oat against them by the hon. member tor Mau. cheater. He must say that that respectable body was in the position the hon. member asserted they were. But the hon member was in the habit of running a tilt against any party or interest from whose views he differed. It was not long /Once that the hon. member stated that he (Mr. Berkeley), when he was made a legislator, was a good game keeper or poacher spoiled. (A laugh.) lie was the pro prietor of six estates in British Guiana from which since emancipation he had had no return. He had abandoned sugar cu tivation because it so long er paid. The hon. member said they were a colony of ban rept& They were so • but it war owing, not to their own faults, but to the legislation of the imperial parliament. What they wanted was protection, and without that the grant of 500,0001. was as nothing. His estetes, previous to emancipation, re,urned from 3,0001. to 6,0001. a year generally. Those estates cost his family more than 100,0001. He received as compen sation when slavery was abolished 14,0001., and would it be said that that 14,0001. should be looked upon u • sufficient payment for property which had cost 100,0001. ? He deeied that the distress generally prevailing in the West India co lonies was consequent upon any exti avagance in the manage ment—it was the consequence of the failure of the expert me nt of emancipation. Mr. BAGSHAWE also opposed the amendment. Mr. TOLLEMACHE having made some explanations of the evidence he gave before the committee, said that he conceived that excessive protection would be not only unjust to the peop.c of this country by making prices high, but in jurious to every class connected with the West Indies. At the same time, as free labour never could compete with slave labour, seme protection was necessary. lie possessed five estates in one of those islands. lie tad succeeded in re. ducing co• eiderably the cost of production, and he believed it would be reduced still further. (Hear, hear.) lie was prepared to run some risk, and even to sustain • loss, rather tbau desert the pe ,ple living on these estates, which had been in the possession of his family for centuries. (Hear, hear.) Ins, me instances a protection of 74. would be suffi cient, but, taking the \Vest 'cities as a whole, he thought it skuld be 10s. for a certain time, say two years, tnen Bs., and then G.., where it sh,uld remain as long as slave labour existed. He bad felt it his duty to vote for the amendment of the hon member for Dr6iterich, which he did with re gret, and he had now only to hope that the government would reconsider the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he concurred in a great part of the speech and in most of the principles uttered by the hon. member for Manchester • but circumstances sometimes rendered necessary the modifica tion of a principle which he thought might be done without any saerdice or dereliction of it. In this case they were past ing from protection to free trade, and they proposed a tem porary compromise between them, softening the evils which would arise inert ao abrupt cha nge. The hon. gentleman said, and truly, that he (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) deckled last February that the bill of 1846 ougnt not to be departed from. But he should be utterly deaf to all information if he maintained that opinion merely for con sistency sake, and in the lace of the evidence of the com mittee and the cbcnge of circumstances that had since taken place. Under those circumstances he considered that the government were bound to make en attempt to cheek the dedruction of property which was threatened from utter want of credit. If they gave protection they would have in terfered with that process which was now going on in the West ladies for reducing the cost of production by reducing the price of wages ; and, in departing from the bill of 1816, the government must have been influenced by very strong reasms—it being a bill which the honourable gen tleman admitted to have been most suocesetul as regarded the revenue and the consumer, and of 'mesh the government might therefore be naturally proud. Now, it was of the brat importance to know hew the present proposition of the government would affect the revenue. It would doubtless create risk of loss, but he did not think of much toes. Ile could not admit that it would even b,, as great, nor anything like as great, u the loss that would be sustained by the 10.. differential duty suggested by the noble lord the member for Lynn. The proposal of the government would give a first loss of 240.0001, but after weeds it would be made up by increased consumption, while that of the noble lord would muse a loss of 960,0001. The first loot under the government proposition would arise from the reduction of colonial duty from 14s. to las., and he did not look to any increased consumption to make good that lose in the first year. The question then was what probable increased consumption would there be in the course of the next year, and he estimated it at from 15,000 to 20,000 tons The year 1847 was clearly exceptional, owing to the imports being greatly stimulated by the admission of sugar in dis tilleries. It was probable the consumption of next year would be 309,000 or 310,000 tons. Theconsumption had in creased from 193,000 tons in 1842, to 288,900 in 1817, being about 50 per cent. ; and in the last four years the sugar imported into Ireland had increased from 362,000 to about 500,000 cwt, notwithstanding the distress which had prevailed in that country. Taking the consumption at 215,000 tons of colonial, and 85,000 of foreign sugar, there would thence arise a revenue of 4,625,000/., being en increase of 284,0001. It was true the amount of revenue would depend on the proportionate increase of foreign and colonial sugar; if the increase were in the proporte.n of 15,000 tons foreign to 5,000 tons colonial, there would be a toes of revenue of 55,0001. But the probability wee that it would not exceed 45,0001.; perhaps there would be no loss at all. this referred to the first year only; in future years he confidently looked for an increase ; for as the increasing reduction of duty on foreign sugars would stimu late the consumption, an increased revenue would be the consequence. As much reference bad been made to the prospects of the revenue, and the probability of a loss, he thought it his duty, before asking the house to consent to a resolutioa which might involve some loss, to give a general view of how the government anticipated that that would be met. Already a deficiency of about 2,000,0001. had been estimated on the current year • the house had refused to entertain a proposition for making up that deficiency by an increase of taxation ; and the matter had ever since occupied the serious attention of the government. So far, the revenue of the current year had produced quite as much as could have been anticipated. In spite of the calamities of last year, so sound was the system of our finances, that the income of the year 1847-48 was actually higher than that of 184546, after the great reductions in duty which had been made by the late government. Of course it was impossible to compare the lest year with any year preceding 1845.46, the circumstances and the am o unt of taxation being so different. The expenditure proposed war far below that of the last or the preceding year. Two committees had been appointed to investigate this subject; but neither he nor any member of the government supposed that they thereby shifted the responsibility from their own shoulders. He had stated at the time that he conceived it would be impossible to make any large reduction either in the amount of the regular expenditure, or in the outlay for works in progress. The house was already in possession of the amount of reduction which they had been able to effect in the miscellaneous estimates. It had been estimated that the probable charge would e 4,006,0001. ; the it, ms laid on the table amounted to 3,777,0001. ; being a reduction of 230,0001. With regard to the army, the efficiency of the service was so important • consideration at this moment, that it was impossible to make any reduction in those esti mate; the house had decided by a large majority that it was not possible to effect any such reduction. The govern ment had abandoned the intention of proposing an addi tional rote for the militia, whereby an outlay of 150,0001. would be avoided. He had gone through the navy and ord nance estimates with the First Lord of the Admiralty, and they had satisfied themselves that, without in any degree impairing the efficiency of these service'', a reduction on the year of 300,0001. might easily be effected. (Hear, hear.) His hon. friend the secretary to the Admiralty had stated that a much larger reduction might be expected in the en suing year; but with the existing contracts, it was impos sible to carry the reduction in tne yoresent year beyond what he had stated. The result of this was to reduce the whole expenditure by 685,0001. To effect this it might be necessary in some was to postpone works which, under other circumstances, it might have been de simble to accomplish in the present year. He was in hopes that further reductions might be effected within the year ; but be thought it right to state only those of which he was confident. Howse anxious to have postponed his statement to a later period of the session, when he might have been in a condition to form a more correct judgment as to the pro hable amount which the revenue would yield. On this head, however, be would afford some information. Owing mainly to the exceedingly fine crop of barley of lest year, the quality of which was better almost than was ever known, melting bad been carried en to a much greater extent durimg the year, and the consequent increase in the excise digital amounted to a very considerable sum. (Hear, hear.) Oa the other hand, other sources of revenue were not quite se productive as he had anticipated; but, upon the whole, after consulting with the chairman of the revenue board, he fond himself wairanted in anticipating an increase of revenue hie yond what he had stated in February, of 350,0001. (Hear.) He left out of consideration all receipts from corn ; it wee utterly impossible to say what they might be ; but it would be so much in addition to what he had stated. He also an ticipated relief from anoth r source—the appropriations in aid, which had usually been applied only to the service of current te years w im lu p t i h b a le d , rendered the ir inthdeii,rectaip:l4capetilin the year succeeding that in which they an— hitherto been prevented from applying these seer current year, by the supposition that an act of would be necessary for the purpose; but it had tu t td ago ; and there was therefore no ion long er cut sons ye ld h e ausnt had accordingly directed that the soma produc ed abnrde sales of old stores and other matters, well knovin u s, priations in aid," should be paid directly into the excheLV and the receipt from that source i n t h e present ",-Z.; would be applicable to the s erv i ce of the Its average produce was about half-miatillion' year it was only 430,0001. That, of enure_ ,e was 0 ,1" . temporary source of income ; but it might be clearly 1,,,L' " applicable to the see vi col the present y ear. The was a diminution of the probable excess of expeuditure income by by 1,535,0001.; and therefore, inroad of 014 tea, being two millions, it would be. under half a De m.. — ( Hear, beer.) He had thought it right that the should be in possession of this information, for he was a ss ... — " that out of the house, as well as in it, great antlers hs been felt on the supposition that there would be a d on the year's ue of two milions. At • lat er -7 „ might be his duty to recur to this suli!ect ; but he had that he could not ask the house to consent to the read, be had proposed without putting them in possession of statement he had now made, and which he did with mere promising inasmuch as the prospect w a s cert a i n l y much Ili; promising than many hon. gentlemen might suppose, Mr. HASTIE said the hon. member for Muichestai o forgotten to state that the cotton manufacturers of 16., chester and Glasgow had fora series of years enjoyed, teetion of 100 per cent. against the manufacturer, of Indy , until they were enabled to get cheap cotton from Anteri ta If the house looked at the returns of experts frouo ty , Bri'ain during the last seven years they might form si r idea of the importance of our co.onies. We had mot toy, West Indies every year ne less than 2 ,700,0001. Tay of goods, and at least one-half of that export must bey, peeled to cease if we withdrew protection. It was a cani ne fact that these exports had increased sines the Emmet • Act, vlthough the produce of the West ladies had et He attributed this to the a feet of the labourer being p. wages, and the social condition of the negro having ccsn quently improved. He felt thoroughly convinced in Pa m mind that the proposition of her Majesty 'a gore would do much to relieve the planter and to increas e y expels by raising still more the condition of the neve, g s should, therefore, Rive it his support. Mr. CARDWELL came down to-night curious te en how the Chancellor of the Exchm,uer weuld defend ba n g against the attack of his bon. friend the member for ye a ehester. The right hon. gentleman had scarcely ram his curiosity. But he had made • speech infinitely mart is. teresting than any parliamentary repartee into whiett h might have entered. The right hon. gentleman badly", them a second budget (laughter); yes, but he had admit's( frankly that his second budget was not satisfactory, lady had very considerately promised them a third. Be thattt they had great cause to congratulate themselves on then, luctance t replace the alleged two millions by inertly taxation at a time when it would have been peculiarly 11.27 to hear, for without any exertion on their part no lent* 1,500,0001. of the amount had disappeared. (Cheers.) lk did not know that they had very much otherwise y congratulate theneelvee upon in the budget now la fore them. The miscellaneous estimates appeared sets as high as they ever were in previous years , than they were much below the amount ori.einady proosedai year. Then, as to the aporopriations in aid—it did new. t.inly appear to him that the new arrangement provost would prove a saving, for it was only, in point of fact, aka, money out of one column and putting it into mother, • Neither did it appear to him that they had much subjects ) , consolation in the arrangement proposed with repel y these sugar duties. The noble lord, the first minister,* them last night that the first year's loss would at he above 10,0001. In she last year we mama 288,000 WWI of sugar, of which 24,000 was British plea, Cation. Upon each of those tons there was to be a &maw tion of 11. But woe there to be no lose on the fortip sugar? If their measure did anything at all, surely it would displace a portion of the foreign sugar. Emil via so displaced would involve • loss of 71. per ton, and if they took a quarter only of the 48,000 they would haat a long nearly 80,0001. to be added to the 210,0001. before emplane There was, be it recollected, nothing in the consumista:a to com,ansate for this loss. In the second year the loss would be nearly double. The right hon. gentleman appeared to fouud a por:ion of his anticipations of increased reveres upon the large quantity of barley to be converted into malt, but though this might benefit the farmer and the excise, it was not shown how it would benefit the cuatoms, whith branch of the revenue bad more immediate relation to the subject under discussion. It was said by the hon. member for Manchester and others, that the act of 1846 bad not been proved to have aggravated the slave trade, whereas all the evidence went directly and distinctly to establish that it had been productive of this effect. Government offleen them•elves had shown that the almost immediate come gamice of the act of 1846 had bean to raise the money velite ' us *levee 15 per cent. in Cuba •it was stated that the pining of that measure had been celebrated as a sort of jubilee; from Jamaica the government commissioners reported tbs opinion that if free trade principles were at one. applied to slave labour produce, more crimes :would be committed in the slave trade, and more owes. sions exercised upon the slaves, than had ever be. fore been heard of. Capt. Burgess stated, upon the in formation of various Spanish and Portuguese elate dales, that the increase of late in the slave trade had been solely occasioned by the freer introduction into England of slaw grown sugar, while the hon. member for Cheshire had shown that from the same cause, slavery, which had bees altogether dying away in Cetba, had resumed new Me there. (Hear, hear.) He could have no hesitation in re cording his vote against the motion of the h•m. member for Manchester. He admitted that protection was in itself and in its nature an unsatisfactory remedy, but he felt, at the same time, that we could not substitute free labour for slave labour in our West India colonies without affording those colonies something in the character of tem porary protection. Without this aid it would be impossible for the planters to complete the glorious task which, at so great a sacrifice, we bad commenced. (Hear, hear.) Lord NeoENT and Mr. WILSON rose at the same time te address the committee. There were general cries for the noble lord, but Mr. Wilson remaining on his legs also, atter confusion prevailed throughout the house for full tee minutes. At length Mr. BERNAL, who had been ineffectually demanding order, said : I must put it to the committee—doe s the com mittee wish me to leave this chair ? If so, I will leave it at once ; but so long as I have the honour to fill it—(hear, hear)—l will to the utmost of my power maintain order. (Hear, hear.) I call upon Mr. Wilson. Mr. WILSON then proceeded to say, with reference to what had been suggested against him by the hon. member for Manchester, that when the West India committee was granted, the noble member for Lynn, without any previous intercourse between them on the subject, ask. d him to be a member of that committee, as he believed solely on public grounds, and certainly not because he expected that he should become a partisan of the noble lord's views. At the same time, he should have thought himself unworthy of a seat in that house had he not, in entering upon the duties of that committee, firmly resolved, se he had done, to divest hie mind of all preco:.ceived opinions on the subject, and to listen to the evidence that might be brought belore the com mittee with the fullest determ nation to Five it his perfectly unhiaseed and conscientious consideration—(hear, hear) — and be believed the noble lord would do him the justice to admit that, though he had been opposed to him in the general view of the question, he had evinced throughout an earnest desire to promote full and fair inquiry into the whole subject. (" Hear, hear," front Lord 0. Bentlnck.) He would not detain the house—(hear, hear) — by going in detail through the reasons which induced his to consider it unwise to adhere strictly to the act of 1846. He had been taunted by the hon. member for Manchester with having changed his opinions on this subject since he had become a member of the government ; but he world appeal to the hon. member for Liverpool whether, before he had been nominated a member of the government, or, he might add, had thought of becoming a member of the go vernment, he had not, during the inquiry, confidentially ex pressed to him the opinion that this law could not be alto- gether adhered to ? When it became evident that relief wee requisite so an act of justice to the colonies, and that the government came to the determination to grant that relief, the next consideration was how to make it most effectual to tt ern, least oppressive to the consumer, and also to bring it into that immediate operation which the necessities of the colonies required. All these reAuisites were, he considered, ',whined in the propositions of the government. The consumer also would be greatly benefited by the pro• posed rate of duties, and would be enabled to obtain segue at a rate not greatly above the present prices. The hon. member for Manchester had read a letter tending to show that a loss of Is. 6d. per cwt. on sugar would result to the merchant from the alteration of the sugar duties ; but he did not think this was a just view, and he could only say, as be had always done, that the propositions of the government gave the greatest allowable boon and inflicted the least pos sible loss on the community. The hon. member at down amid loud cries of " Divide." Lord NUGENT said that the statements of the noble lord (J. Russell), and the arguments urged in support of his propositions , had only confirmed him in his views of the act of 1846 ; and he was therefore resolved to vote against the amendment of the hon. member for Manchester. Mr. MOWATT moved that the chairman do report pro grew and ask leave to sit again on Monday. Lord J. RUSSELL begged of hon. gentlemen to recollect the position in which the question stood. On the sth of July there would be a further alteration of the sugar duties under the act of 1846, so that it was necessary they should came to a speedy decision. If the hon. gentleman persisted in his motion he hoped the house would agree to their sitting on this day (Saturday). (Oh, oh.) Mr. M. GIBSON apprehended that they could not be sitting in a committee of ways and means, as such a commit tee could not sit on any days but Monday, Wednesday, end Friday. Yet it was usual to move resolutions on the sug ar duties in committee of ways and means. Lord J. RUSSELL said he had asked the opinion of the Speaker on the subject, and his opinion was, that resolutions on the sugar duties should be moved in committee of ways and means if they were annual duties. Mr. GIBSON was satisfied on that point, but as the ques tion moved by his hon. friend (Mr. Bright) was a most important one, he thought it but fair that these who re presented the manufacturing interest, and held free-Vas opinions, should obtain further time for discussion. Colonel SIBTHORP said that the government were alone to blame for not introducing the question at an earlier period of the session. (Hear, hear.) What would the noble lord opposite have done if a Jew had a seat in that house ? (Laughter, and hear, hear.) After a few words from Sir J. PAYINGTON and Mr. lllowart, Mi said that the present was a free-trade qua. eo n, and s the bad not been an anent of the rig Ezehrquer, Mhi was but fair ai had so much int, Lord J. RUdI hon. member I thought the hot] 'abaft , d with th port of it. (Ls' Mr. COBDE and he Omura After a few w Mr. BRIGIV measure should gentlemen oPf. O be thought it hi shut out from di conclusion. 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