The Express. — London, England, 1848-05-24 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 24, 1848 also the members appeloted to try the merits of the petition against the Cheltenham return. RELATIONS WITH SPAIN. Mr. BANK Etil mid that on the preceding dey, the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had stated that some notes of a confidential suture had pawed between the ministers of Spain and the minister of England, sin ce corrtepondenee which he had laid on the table. There appeared in that morning's paper a very long letter from the Duke of &Mumps . : he begged to kauw if that was one of the tontidential commutiimUons of which the noble lord had spoken ; and if he had any objection to produce his copy of that num, and of any other correspondence that had paemel ? Viseon PALMERSTON mid that the despatches which he had leen expecting had arrived that morning ; and from teem he found that Mr Bulwer was on the 17th shout to leave Madrid, having receivi el his 'imports from the Spenieh government. He should certainly think it hie duty to lay forth, r peters connected with this subject on the table of the house; he hoped to be able to du so on Thursday. (Hear, hear ) lUN lAN ISLANDS. Mr. HUIRE said he understood the liberty of the press bed been suppressed in these islanda. wished to know what the law now was with regard to the pima, and whether my alteration had been made as to the mode of election ? Mr. HAW ES said there was a law still in force with ent re gard to the exclusion o f books, which gave the governm c o nsiderable power, hu t, p racticall y , it had no operation ;for the free importation of books had been sanctioned in 1814. heeeerietions on the ress vrereart and parcel of the The constitution under which w e had taken possession of I the Ohm& ; hut the liberty of the press was now fully se cured ; and the subject of elections and other peeing; were now under the consideration of the noble lord at the head of the ei , lonial department. PUBLIC WORKS PICTUR OF ARET.MR. VERNON'S S. — Mr. V SMITH begged to ask the noble lord at the head of the guverudeent when it was intended to summon a meet ing of the committee appointed on the IDA of February last, to coesidi r the best mode of pruvulieg additional room fur works of art, given to the public, or purcemed by Mills of pal anentary grants. Ile (Mr. Smith) had been appointed a m, tuber of that committee, but they had never been sum. atoned to meet. His resents for ;staving the question was this: A very muoificent gift hail been presented ta the nation by el r. Vernon—(mar, hear) —consisting of • valuable collection of pictures ; and he understood that the minters l ot the National Ornery had le en obliged to ask Mr Vermin's leave to exhibit his own lila in his own house. (Hear, hear.) Sir It. INGLIS said he had a notice on the paper fur that day, to move for copies of any communic nicea which had passed between the government and It ibert Vernon, Erre, relative to that gentlemau'e offer of a portion of hie collection of pictures; and probably the noble lord at the Leal of the governm , nt would now make some statement which might render that motion unnecessary. Lord J RUSSELL said it certainly was his intention to can together the committee at an early period Viscount MORPETH said he muted° full just ce to Mr. Vernon's spirit of accommodation, as well as to his mend licence. When a difficulty was found about providing a roes which should be suitable in every wsy, as to light and other requirements, the offer of Mr. Vernon's own house for the accommodation of the public, had proceeded from that geoiliimen himself. (Cheers ) Sir It. PEEL said thee us one of the trustees of the National Gall , ry, he was very glad to bear his testimony, in the stringent manner, not only to the munificence with which Mr. Vernon had acted, hut to the xtreme delicacy of his conduct. (Rear , hear.) Apprehending that several of his pictures might not be tliougbt worthy of • piece ie the National Gallery, he had all the trusters to make their choice from the whole collection, at the same time submitting his own opinions as to thoae which he coneidered most desirable to appropriate to the public. (Cheers.) There being a difficulty as to find ing a suitable building—fur nut ever! huddiag,bowevrrlrrg r, bed such a light as was adept.! for the exhibition of paint inns, Mr. Vernon had said, with the greatest liberalituse as ity,. You shall have my house , as well se my pictures ; the ho stands shall be placed at your service." (Cheers.) It was rig ht that this grea muneticence and handsome conduct on the part of Mr. t Venom should be pub icly known. (Hear, hear ) RELATIONS WITH SPAIN. Mr. ANSTEY wished to know whether the departure of Mr. Bulwer from Madrid was to be explained in the manner it had been explained by some of the Paden journals,—that he had been removed to a higher post, the a mbsesadorehip to Cunetantinople ; or wheth, r it was to he taken as indica. um of an entire rupture of friendly Melons with that court. Viscount PALMERSTON :—The departure of Mr. liolwer from Madrid does not arise (rum his being appointed to any other pet. (Sensation.) Viecount PALM EltS tON again row, and! said— re of course, i•. does not proceed from any ruptur our la tions with Soain. (Hear, hear.) ADJOURNMENT OF TILE HOUSE. Lord (I. BENTINCK sled he pre..uni.al that the motion which he had to submit would meet with a ready concurrence 110111 tie house,—that the house at its aisiost should adjourn to Thursday. (Caters.) Mr. HUME hoped the a house would not agree to this m M on . (Laughter.) A ll of great importnce to Scotland, the Entail Bill, (Much laughter). was hied fur Wedneeday ; and it would be hig hl y impreper to hoe • dry. If any hon. gentlemen wished to go to the 1) rby, let them do so ; and he hoped they w o uld en j o y themselves. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL said, had he found that the Scotch members were ansioue to discuss the Eutail Bill next day, he should have s•iil the house ought to nu et for the purpose ; hut he found that several of the Scotch members were of opinion that there would be • very thin house, thet the clerks at the table would ',pitiably have to sit some time without making a house, and that thee was a chance i f this important sia. pet not receiving a due eli•cassion. ( Hear, hear.) In this care. and there tieing • uisp .sition to make the day a national ate, he saw no orjsetion to the motion proposed. Mr. S. CRAWFORD raid the house ought not delibe rately to do anything ca:culated to lower itself in the cell motion of the coun•ry. He should therefore oppose this moron. Col. SIIITHORP was understood to complain of bills being (Teem• nily smuggled through on a Wednesday. Mr. F. MAU LE said he had been unfortunate enough to fix the Scotch Entail Bill for W,dneeday. It was a very important measure, and it was highly desirable it should pass this session. If the house adjourned over the af it day t , he hoped the noble l ord at the bead of the governmen wou ld give Scotland half a day at an early period, fur the purpose of considering this measure. ( Hear, hear.) Mr. BRIGHT thought it desirable they should have a holiday sometimes, and had no objection to to-morrow ; hut be thought it h. neath the dignity of the house to make the excuse for that holiday the holding of a race within a few mils of London. (Hear, hear.) If they hail a holiday for the e Derby, why not for the Oaks ? If (Great laughter.) Alter a few words from Mr. OssCALD, The house divided—For the rehournment, lO3 Agaiost 9O-13 The announcement of the numbers was received with boil cheers. We understand that after the gall ry was e. ared, Sir J. Graham arid Sir R. 11. Inglis epoke i °pp. nit e n to the motion, an d Sir R. l'eel and the J udg e Advo cate in favour. TIMBER AND SILK DUTIES. Lord 0. BENTINCK said that ho eas one of those who believed that the principle adopted by the United States, of raising their revenue from the w c ustoms, as the best, and that it pressed m ore I• g htl y on the people than it the reverter was Di' eti by direct t. cation, or front the excise. ( Hear, hear.) On a former occasion he had stated that the reduction of the timber duties hail no t only been accompanied by the distress of the Canadian timber grow err, but that a large pinion of the taxation remitted went into the pocket of foreigners. On that occasion he showed that the price of Baltic timber had risen Ils, a load since 1812, when the duty was reduced; and on the other hand, that the price of Canadian timte Wail let reduced that great distress was brought upon their Canadian subjects. In reply to him, it was said by a right hon. a entleman, who had beta successively Viee-Preselent ,nil President of the Board of Trade, and Secretary if State for the Colonic., that he (Lord G. Bentinek) had been grossly misinformed, for that the Canadians had re ceise 1 since 1812, 7s. short price per load more than they received heftiest. It was not surprising that the house should have been carried away by s uch a statement cooling from the right bon. ge ntleman. Ile believed, 'lowest r, that he was justified in the statement 1 be made. It was said, in contradiction to his etntement, that the price of Cenadian red pine timber, titer the duty had \been r educed to the amount of 10e. C 1.,• had only fallen from 955. to 90s. the load. On the very day on which that state ment was mule, a great sale of timber by auction took place at the 14 all of Commerce. There were 31,900 feet of white timber, and 12.000 I, et of red timber sold on that day. 'Eke price of the red Pim timber w. R Grss. bd., and not 90e. (Mar, hear.) Ile hod also received a letter from Memos. Gilmour and Co., of Glasgow, the largest importers of Ca nadian timber in the kingdom, in which the greatest sur priest was expressed at the statement which bad been made in contradiction to him. They sent him an account of six sales which had taken place from the Ist Jan. up to that day, and they 'authorised him to offer the right lion. gentleman a large quantity of red pine Canadian timber, now lying at Hull, for 75e. if the right hon. gentleman liked to speculate. (Hear, hear ; The right hon. gentleman, if he believed his own stater:lc nt,would doubtlers look onthat offer u a perfect windfall. Bet the right hon. gentleman would probably say —" What matters it ? If the duty has fallen into the pockets of Baltic merchants the trade is still carried on by Britieh subjects." But looking back to his returns he (Lord G. Bentinck) found that the trade was far from being so en t i•el y in our own bands as it used to be. 1ti,1839 the trade was carried on in 667 British ships manned by 6,438 British seamen, while in foreign ships the trade was carried on in 663 vessels manned by 6,863 foreign seamen. But, in 184.5, whilst the British trade was carried re on were in only 662 ships, manned by 5,937 British seamen, the no less than 1,803 foreign chilli manned by 17,400 foreign sea men. (Hear, hear.) Then apain, with respect to our 1 colonial trade, he found that there was what was called " wintering " in Canada last year twenty and a halt million ket of timber ; there was only . sixteen and three-quarter million feet wintering there in 1847, and six and a quarter million feet wintering there, oa an ave rage of several antecedent years. Then look at freights. Last year the freight was 465. between Quebec and London, whilst the price of yellow pine was not above 4,5,. He left it to the house to judge the sort of trade the colonists had, under such prices as these. (Hear, hear.) He came nest to the silk trade. On ft former occasion he spoke of the distress prevailing in Spitaltields, which he had attri buted i n a great measure to the competition of foreign goods. Gete.t beck, on dint iiv mean. :.:.! the mrr." of centrist, n, awl 1046, he was told that he hid committed a great chronological error for it, was said, In those years the laws had not been attend, and therefore the distress could not be attributable to that cause. Of course the house cheemd the answer, which cams from the father of the measure itself; or if not from the father himself, at lewd the lather by adop tion. That statement, so cheer. dby the home, went to the country stamped with truth and certainty. Now he asked that they might have in thaw returns some statement of the alterations made in 1842. lie thought it would he found that at that time the silk trade had been dabbled with. put i answer, it *as said, that it wm not to the c om n etition of foreigners, but to that of Manchester, that this di-tress was to be ascribed. He did not find, how •e. r, that since 1842 there bad been any such great increase in the number of silk mills at work at Manchester. Thera were eigktor nine mills in that town in 1842,whilst at the pre sent time there were only about seven mills at w. in that town and its vicinity. Hehelieved there were mit Mime 61 000 person. altogether engaged in the silk trade in Eaglend, whilst abroad a very different state of thing% prevailed. He ask. d to night for a return of the quay el s ilk imported into the port of London alone, and he believesi it would be shown that, reckoning 31. sh Ming as the value of emit pound of silk manufactured m iods, the total value of the imports for the last tour month • into London aloes was 605,7771., making a total importation of the value of a million and a half tor the year. (Cheers.) And if they took the va lue of the labour engaged in the manufacture of those goodie, he believed they you'd find that adequate wettest tor 61,000 persons would be provided is the manu facture of these articles. (Hear, hear.) Why, then, if he showed, that during the last four mouths alone, there had been imported into Imndon alone silk spent* quivalent to the wages of 64,0)0 persons, did he not substantiate the cam that it VOW foreign competition, and not the competition of sight mills at Manchester, that was destrojitig thnal gnett ? (Cheers) And when an argument was at tempted to he urged against him on the ground that attain im, ortatione were made M a special year, he BUloll,ed ewewithd these figures, and he repeated hi s allegation. (Ren cheers) But then he was told that teem was to be set against all this 630,0001hs of raw oat.iial worked up en w ally in this country. lie ask. d to-night, however, tor • toe turn of the quantity that had been nut wo rked up, but con. sumed (hear) ; and if the right hon. gentleman would look to that, he would find that in 1846-7, the consumption, as compared with 1844-5, had diminishes( by no Wks than 246,0001 b. The noble Lord here alluded to he distressed state of the 13i thnalgreen weavers, and • oldie ued Such was the result of the almost fres comp• toion et the loreigner, which had, in four months, brought into the port of London alone about half a million worth of foreign silk manufactures, a quantity sufficient to have jomn work to 64,000 of our operative s . (Hear.) It was a great consolation that he coati turn from this miserable picture to • somewhat brighter prospect glimmering in upon s. u Thing. had just recently taken a little spirt in Spitediehis mid Lietht.al-greett. This, in some measure. arose from the expectation that the disturbances on the Continent of Europe —the revolutionary and democratic changes which had shaken confidence in every foreign country—would give such • decided check to foreign manufac tures, as—if the people of this coon ry preserved thst order which amid all thei r sufferings they hart hitherto so nobly maintained,—(hear, hear ) Ming grist to their mill, restore to tit. in the trade which was he. lore slipping from them, and enable them once more to rise. But there was another cause of the revival of in' dustry in Spitallielda, a cause not merely propoutided by wild pretend ~,, ism, but stated in a weekly newspaper 01 the widest remit of littera:id:it. In that journal, a journal of large circulation, he found " the healthy ezcitemen . ," as it was termed, springing up in Spitalfi• ids atoributed hi a came which mu-t he gratii)ine to every loyal mind—to the rder, namely, of her Mak sty in favor of British menu factored made (cheem), an order given, be polle red, on the advice,• not of her Slejesty's mauler ical vain+. I lon, hut on the ails ice of the Leer I Chamberlain , n o t Lord Willoughby liEreetty, but Lord S i mmer, in con•ravelit on, in point of tact, of the counsels of the cabinet solviseis Here, by toe writer's admisition, wi re the rain and lb.• remedy in prominent contrast—the ruin, the result of tree trade, the remedy that ord. r of our Que.n lan Natuiv's impute', ill meheeled by am, And treitom stir elects spring within it,,, beam — which at (Mee neutralised much of the es it done by honourable gentlemen on the opposite benches ( o ar, hear.) Proceeding to colt in goods, he found that takenss ohm the same four months, been tuqedied into the part of London, eof all du'y, good* to the same of not Its. than 137,9741., which, at the rate of wages he heel before estimated, 9.. a week, would, for the dime pe riod, have given employment to totwe. ti 11,000 and 12,000 °premise s—to 12.000 of the 14,000 operatives who, accord anti to Captain Willis's report in that morning's newspapers, were wholly out of employ mesas's. workine short time at Man chewer, the actual number • ntirely out of emph yment tie. re being 6,000. (Hear, hear.) It was mid, indeed, that this sort o . mien, if it teld directly against one set of men, was vastly (avowable to another ; that if the Spitalfields wen errs were thrown out of week by the importation of foreign good., the people at Bradford w. re benefit. il, since the) sent eut woollen pante:omit to pay for the silk petticeete but he slid not think that t h e Bradford people had it all quite so much their own w ay as the hon. and gal c ilon.l over tae way imagined, for he found on looking into the retu, that of woollen goods, there had been, in the same t. or rns months, export. d into the port of London, free of duty altogether to the value of 98,8311., and at 10 pie cent. duty, 29,9201., amounting togeths rto a sum which, at , the prey oti ly underrated scele of wages, would have em ployed 11,000 men during the time—(hear, hear) —that was to .4,11,000 of the 15,000 who wire wow receiving ilklief in that town from the parish. ( Hear ) Nor wee it ss, or cottons, Sr boots or shoes alone, that foreign competition had so ruinously been let loose upon our industry. 01 fare hi e the e there had been imported into the port of London, wit same four months, to the value of 30,7931., in weillit—say 90.000 Itss., and equal to the eroplo)ment fur the semi period of 7,000 of the lace work. re of Nottinghem. ( Hear, hear.) Now, what war the condition of the population sal that town ? The noble lord he re read comets from an authoritative pamphlet, ouhlished by Mr. Wri,ht, a Metier, at Not tingham, the re'ult of m st extr..s.se inquiries int o the the distress promiliegl there, and continue d thus then, was the condition of the lace trade under the highly favoured competition of foreign countries. I Hear, hear.) lie now mime to another class of industry —te the p o or needle-work women. lie slid not me in hie !dace noble friend the m tuber for 11 dh, who took so deep e e nohle n Sorest in Otter suffering people ; hut he could tell th lord that if these poor people wirethtfering, as they grievously wire, it was not a thing to be surprised at. Within the four months already referred to of needlework—nine -tenths of which, let it be remember. d, consisted of labour, as distin guished from material—in these four months th. re hod Iv en imported into the port of London to the value week of 30,0001.,0. which at the rate—a high average—of se. a , rept / l otted the employment of between 6,000 and 7,000 of these poor pe•ple. (Hear, hear.) The sums he had thus stated ammotsd altoeether to 395,0001 for the four months, yet not a figure of them sppdded in Mr. Porter's Trade and Navigation Returns for the period. Why was this ? I Hear, hear.) Those returns gave a esreful statement of the parti culars of a few hundred weight of eels, and of some score of turtle, but entries representing the progress of emendations competing with our own manufecturers so injuriously, and amounting in the year to 1,186,0001., did not appear. Do not let it be said that there was any difficulty in ascertain ing the value of these articles. The Board of eates Trad t me, if em. i it ch e er, could get at every particular with the gr He had always thought that the value of the trade and nati. , gation returns compiled by the eflicers of the Board of Trade i consisted in their containing facts thst were to he r. lied on. But according to his notion of them, a person anr ass to learn something of the state of esminerce might examine those returns end yet be more ignorant than ever of the sub ject, for the returns were medic teed to suit the eiewa of the government. It bad now gone through the 'serious articles ; of manufacture that were brought into England from abroad into the Port of L rode i; and he was aware that lie mieht have greatly extended his statement by entering into a detailed account of the cambrics and other manutactures imported to the value, he believed, of 190,0001 But there were three articles which deserved particular mention —namely, cotton and woollen, as well as linen neiolleworks, of which there were ro less Quantitiesim ported into the port of Lon don than would have gi ployment to 100,000 hands for three months, if their labour had not been thus superseded by foreign productions In corroboration of the arguments which he maintained, he would refer to the number of bankruptcies which had token place in the three first months of 18the48, and it would be found neormery to look hack to year 1826, before any parallel could be discovered to balance the number. The number of haekrupteies in the first nineteen weeks of 1818 was 848 And yet, if the r i g ht hon. baronet (the c hancellor of the Exchequer) were present, he would le obably say that it was quite out of fashion to become bankrupt. The returns of the num ber of bankruptcies which oecurred in the last nineteen weeks of 1826 c quelled the distress which was exhihited sliming the t resent per. There had simmered in the fin pre deeno nt yeti!. 292 l !se questrations in Scotlatid Ile c odd paralle for this except in the year 1842, when the tow.. of Paisley and Glasgo w were suffering under suck ' deep distress. The number of sequestrations in that year was 222. The manufacturers of Glasgow alone had lately turned off 1,000 heeds. In Paisley, out of 61 mills, there were 18 entirely stopped, and 7 which only worked short time. So that, on the whole, Scotland was little better off than England, and the mill-owners were no better off than the merchants, planters, and brokers. Another test ent of the present state of the country was statem which he held in his hand of the number 01 advertisements which were contained in the Times for servants' places. He took the first twelve days of the month of May of the present year, and compared them with the same period of former yeare. Ile also took the same pe riods to compare with the number of advertisements from mutters seeking servants. These facts would prove that the distress existed throughout all classes of persons who lived by being employed. Of the first class of advertisements, namely, those of servants seeking places, the following were the statistics la 1845 the number of advertisements was 1,445 in the first 12 days of May. In 1846 the number was 1,828. In 1847, 2,096; and, in the first 12 days of My, 1848, the numb of servants advertising for places was 2,430, (Hear, hear. er ) So that, in proportion as the better classes were ruined and depressed by the general state of trade, commerce. end manufactures, so also the eery ing classes were ruined and deprived of work by the compe tition of foreigners in the products of the kingdom. The same disproportion was observable in the number of advertise ments by masters foe servants. Diving the same period in the year 1845 the number of advettisements by m nu a mber ' sters I was 99; is 18311, 143; in 1847, 117 ; but in 1818 the was less by one-half than th at of 1846. lie now thought that he had sufficiently made out his case. lie did not ean ' to ascribe all these results e xclu s ively to the system pursued by the government, hut he thought he hail shown sufficient grounds for the house to come to the conclusion that much of the exiieifie &ems. was to be ii.rib ett to the recent rim' mercial policy 01 the country+ sod also to Wont a very jun iAll'Ettl AL PA K.LI Ai EN HOUSE OF LORDS.—TusBDAT, MAT 23. The LOOM CIII.IIOILLOit Wok his seat at 6 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS , . SECOND READINOS.—Lister (or fludtutee) Estate, Bristol end Moo Om Light Amendment. Herculaneum poet HtraPetty. atlrttng Winer Woe's, Lambeth Water Worts, Patent Galvanised Iron Omo piny, Battle Bridge and Holloway Raid Act Repeal, National Bono. mentor Scotland Amendment, &Swished Dock Onapriny, ifiuseheaux Oenend Cemstere ; Vain THIRD ReADINOW—Leeds Improvement, Worcester New Om Light Omnpany, Sosthampton Gas Light anti Coke Company Bills. PUBLIC RUnIN KW. cOMHlTTlL—Pwiternentery Pincenllnits Adjauminent 8111. MR. VERNON'S GIFT TO THE NATIONAL GALLERY. Lord MON fF.AG LE moved " that there be tail before the house copiee of a correspondence betaeen the trustees of the National Gallery and the Lords of the Treesury reap ct ion the gift made by Mr. Vernon to the publin of his collec tion of modern pictures and other works of art." The public were generally very indifferent to the favours bestowed on them, and they were eat to be soon forgotten. There was, however, some peculiarity in this caw, the gift being from a private ibdividual, who had risen trom the middle or the more bumble class of life, and who had bestowed on the public a magnificent collection of at; end that w hich clued tto be the more interesting wes the fact of Mr. V h Vernon's h av ing made the gift during his life time. (Hear, ear.) The Mancini. of LANSDOWN E, being one of tho trus• tees of the National Gallery, felt obliged to his noble friend for bringinr his motion forward. He thought that acts of an much public generosity 'lseult' be publicly tee 'sniped. (Hear, bear.) Re had much pleasure in seconding the motion of his noble friend. L or d COLBORNE suggested the necessity of inceasing the sine of the N Atonal Gallery. Mr. Vernon stil c r easing his house twice a week to exhibit the pictures which he bad presented to the public, because the gallery was not large enough to receive them. The motion was then agreed to. AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY wished to know whether a letter which had been pollinated in the newisa pers, from the Doke of Sotomayor to Mr Bulwer, had b en received by the government when the corresp.n.tenee 00. d for by his noble friend (Lord Stanley) was published m ood, if so, hy it bad not .1-0 lieen rrinte ; ? The Marquis of LANSDO% NE was not prepared to an swer the question without making some inquiry on the subject. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY gave notice that he should move fee the whole; correspondence on some future day. PARLIAMENTARYM PROC EEDLL. INGS ADJOURN ENT B I On the motion of Lord STANLIY, the house went into committee on this NIL The noble lord explained some verbal and other amendmenta which be proposed to intro duce into it, and said he should more that the bill be re printed with such amendments, and subsequently recom mitted. Lord CAMPBELL recommended that a committee of this and the other house should be appointed to co subject. He thought, however, that it hail Letter stand over altogether until neat session. The only important change which it proposed to effect would render the bill quite nugatory. The noble lord proposed that hills which had stood over from the Commons, and were taken up in the following session by their lordships be fore receiving the fetal assent, should go beck again to the Commons, who were to pass a reselution in the doing ir fa vour. l'hot. however, they had the power of at present by an existing standing order. Another oitti. malty would be that the courts in Westminster Hall would ld have to see whether , wit h reference to the bills so passed, regulu forms had been omplied with. And it would be necessary to insert another clause, that such bills should be con-id• red binding in point of law. lie was convinced that it would not be considered creditable to the wisdom of their lordships' house to send down the bill in its present form to the other house of parliament. Lord kIONTEAGLE hoped his noble friend (Lord Stan ley) would prreesere with the bill. Lord CAMPMILL expluined. Lord STANLEY said that the amendment having been in conformity with recommendafions which had h, en made from both side s of the house in former stages ot the b t 11, he thou d, ght it would heheunnecessaryunnecessary to tecommit the hill. lie propose therefore, that the house should at once go through the bill. After a few words from Lard MONTBAOLE an the same CATTLE, &e.-I)Ettev, May 23.—There wan not so many fat Beasts shnwn in oar rawly*. to-day as there w last we. k ; the quali . y was equilly gcod, l. u t higher pricesas were asked, and wcr, obtMned :th ose from the or ot F.ngland, 'Liverpool, and Rotheram wore in excellent th con dition, and were readily disposed of. Fat Sheep were not quite so plentiful, but mare than egad to the demand. Fat and store Calves, nut numen , us. Beef made from fa to GI& button, fid. to 7d. Veal, sd. to 61. per !1:1. LIVERPOOL, Kay 22.—We had rather a s mall eup ly of fat stock for sale to-day. The attendance of huyere was numerous, consequently e y e rythir.g sold up early. Bret', 6d. to GO. Sheep, ild. to hd. Llmb, Sid. to 914. per lb. Sr. IVES, Kay 22.—There was a good supply of fat Beasts in this market to-day, prices the same as last week ; the start. market to-day mused vet: - busy, there was a great quu+lily, and appears.: s. if I.t: "4:6 , ..•usin:Ps doing. ice ..ssr coy& side, Lord ItEDESDALE, while disagreeing with tho bill as it stood, would is..t divide the house u pon it, as by so doing he would disarrange the entire qUP*6O II . Alter a few words from -he Hort of I)r.vow, The bill was passed through the committee, and ordered to be reported, with amendintuts. Thar lordships then sojourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUF.SDAT, MAT 23. The S tack the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. HIRD KEADINGE.—BristoI Docks 'relearn.; Tolima and timid- T ton C Muse ao,l coun Woes , Midland &Muer p ourtater., sin of t he line and breaches rie.)r ty Wellingborough, and a pproach to the Wellingborough station); hilts. CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY (POWER TO PURCHASE, Ac ) BILL. On the order of the day for the (wither consideration of the report nn thin h II being read, Mr. GROGAN alerted, on the ground that the object was to give pow. r to the railway company to become steam packet proprietors; and moved that the report be Nether considered that day ail months. Idr. HUME seconded the amendment. Sir It. PEEL, as ebsirmen of the group to which this bill with others had been referred, explained that the General Railway Cummi-tee, the Board of Trade, and the 0,011111.- non es of Railways, all concurred in opinion with the commit on the hill that teis wan • case thin the interests of the p tee ü blic requited should be ma de an e xception to the general rule. Mr. Brown, Mr. Bernal, and Sir W. Heatheote having made a few ohserviviune, the home divided For the original motio n .. • 166 F o r the amandmeut 46-120 Report arreed to. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY (EXTENSION OF THE BERES AND HANTS RAILWAY FROM HUNGERFORD TO WESTBURY (WITII A BRANCH. TU DEVIZES) BILL. On the quoitinn, that the report on this bill be considered, Mr. BERNAL said that there was an important omis sion in this bid, to which he felt it his duty to call the at tention of the bonne. The General Railway Committee re commended that committees on railway bills should cite increased attention to the money clauses, and refuse the power of raising money, unless it, general application were stated in the hill. Such was not done in this cue. Mr. CABBELL recommended that the consideration of the report be padonned. Mr. LABCHICRERE said that it was no fault of the com mittee that the omission star d by his loin. friend, the chair man of committees, occurred in this bill. But as it was desirable to rectify it, he should move that the bill be c .' umnitted, erith:sn instruction to the committee to state in the hill the gent ral purposes to which the money sought to be raised, was intended to be applied. Alter a conversation, in which Me. Ili totoN declared the such a cour-e would be attended with the greateg inenrice• nitnee to railwity companies, The C HANCELLUR of the EXCHEQUER sail that the report of the whet committee on railways) oil wlii , ) ll the mo tion of his right ho n. friend (Mr. Labouri was founded, had been unanimowly adopted •, and the hon. member for Sunderland (Mr. Hudson) had himself been a member or that committee, Aft) .r a few words from Mr. Hudson, Mr. Bernal, and Mr. Ellice, the motion was put in this form: that the hill be recommitted, in order to introduce a clause setting forth the general purposes for which the money authorised to be raised by the bill was to be applit d. Mr. CABBELL moved to add to the motion, by way of amendment, " that the memorial presented by the inhabit ants of Devizes to the Lords of the Treasury be et (erred to the committee on the bill, to report thereon to the house." Lord VILLIERS opposed the ai n e edrnent on the ground that the memorial h ad been already dispotesi of, at the close or the lest sea ion of parliament. The amewilatent was then withdrawn, and the original motion put 01. d agreed to LONDON, BRIGHTON, AND SOUTH COAST EAILW AY (LONDON -BRIDGE AND NEW-CROSS STATIONS, &e.) BILL. Mr. C. P. °RESPELL moved the adoption of the amendments made by theca% nittee in this bill. Capt. PECHELL availed himself of the only I,ppor. trinity affnrdet him of stating, on' behalf of the iab•Aiiit ants of Bright-.n, the grievances to which they hail been et,ioeed by the coulee pursued by the directors, who now sought for additional powers by this bill. Duthie the last sit months the ili.ectors had deprived the poorer classes of the accommodation of third-class carriages—they had wholly dosed many of the stations—they had removed the goods station brans London-bridge to New-crow., Deptford—they had mind the rates of carriage and had also deprived the poore r classes of the benefit of ;lay tickets. These proceed ing hail given so much dissatisfaction, that at a public meet ing just held in Brighton the inhabitants had passed reso lutions which were tantamount to ailing upon the house to la ject this bit. He neither had the power nor the desire to reject the measure, but he hoped the house would give such an expression of opinion on the acasion as would induce the company to do away with that grievances of which his constituents so justly complained. Mr. C. P. °RESPELL, who spoke in so low a tone as to be scarcely audible, was understood to defend the conduct of the director', who had been .h ara ssed by the most un reasonable demands made up:in them by the public. The removal of the goods station to New cross had arisen from the insufficiency of mum at London -bridge to transaccom - t the bueinega ; but thi s bill, when paned, would enable the pany to remedy that inconvenience. The amendments were then agreed to, and the bill ordered to be engrossed. ATTENDANCE ON RAILWAY COMMITTEES. Sir W. HEATIICOTE moved that the hon. member for the county of Dublin (Mr. J. 11. Hamilton) might be allowed to attend on the Dublin Improvement 13111 committee, on which he had been appointed, without signing the declaration required in such cones , the hon, member being absent, and it being possible that the committee might meet to morrow (this day).—Agreed to. LEICESTER ELECTION. The members appointed to serve en the owlet committee to inquire into Ili' merits of the petition against the re , '" of Sir .1 Wahru.l. y and Mr. R. Gardiner at the lAte • b the borough et Limater wise sworn at the tables'. were „,------------ MANCHESTER SALES, MAT 21. Thus was • moderate business, a.,d prima gtnerally w ere rather firmer. Nab ,Nott., &U.S. la., 1 9.16 Los. k N. W. (M. ,and B. klin.) ark., L a ne., and Math. June., I C, 31 Do. p 1 1 d (Leeds B Dews. Branches A 11. WWI Pref., 6 pet Ct., 3 3-16 Metres). 541 lrd e, 2i 1 d Rad. I&lntlee Prof., 6 pee cent., North StaMwdal 9-16 p North Union (A), 199 Lana. & Tort(W.R.ll.), 3 11-16 d aropehire Union, ti d MD., Shea, sad Lin. Pref., i p 8 . Eastern and Dow, ties. at Do. (Shef. and Lin.),YSALES, Na al I 1014, N 93.0. 4,11 11-19 S ORK n York, Nowa, sad Ben MlitailiOit Oreat Northern, 4 No. 1 Hats New Son), 11l 9 p I PRODUCE.— MINCING-LANR, Half-past non.— Them has not been a public solo to day, neither has the ractre been any bunions, d o ne worth reporting by private cont, as the Derby-day is Virtually kept as a holiday. 00 bags China Suter utter; 2 hags Ceylon and 100 casks Jamaica Coffeße3oo bags C oc os ; 1,400 bags Saltpetr ; and 1,500 bags Bengal Rice are advertised for public sale to-morrow. Duty paid on Soar to last week, in London, User I. eat. Bristol, Ma. and the Clyde To the war period la st year ......•..^^1,931,421 .. 52,431 NOIN Mail Pan or so& or 115411 vo Lair um 11 0,529 * ,274 ............ 1 2,114,797 thdot ...... ......... ...... 78.,700 Id! ................ .......... .... ............. 105,217 ........... ..... 706,5;6 ......... 13,771,060 13,511,699 ---- Tweeds. Imams &liveries from the lit of January to the 10th of )lay, 1141 sad 1817 ...- 1148 itt47 . ... . ..... . 13,891,00_ ... . 11,105,0 06 lb. l'otel delivered .• Imported 110 eel Oseetwies ..... 1A51,000 2,460, 1 - ---.. 1,51P,030 -- 4,114,0'0 ems tine la 1147 U. tea. from I.ondos 10,3143, 000 likisi mom is at sums animas, 161$. London 30,092.000 Liverpool Ilrivtol Mill sod akar &CIA rani 1,020,000 Gloodow . Leith and other Soot& NM .... Ireland .... --- Stock, Aprll 30, ISSI . ..... Ditto Ditto ,, 1847 CORN. —MARK-LAME. —Our market was more thinly attended today than usual, even on a W•dnesday. owing to Epsom Races. The little business transacted in all ual to those articles was a t rates about eq of Monday list, planting cargoes of Indian Cum were inquired fur, at full priors. ARRIVALS INTO LONDON FROM 22nd MAT TO 24th MAY. 4 Q r a. kn2elesh. Scotch. Irish. Foreora. Wheat .40 I ............ StO'i ttsriey , . Oat& Flour. 1,8 A weirs; barrel'. Malt. HULL, /day 23 —With the exception of an occasional very acceptable shower, and on one occasion • few hours heavy thunder rain, we have bad another week of tine weather, and the country a,sumes a moat luxuriant and promising ap pearance. There have only been trifling transartioes pa.* log in Wheat, and less di s p osition towards Spring Corn, so that on the whol.• the operations of the week is every article have been but limited. We have many complaints of want of rain. We had for this day's market a m,derate supply of Wheat from our own farmer.; condition and quality very excellent, and the price demanded and acceded to much the same as last week. There was a good show' of foreign Wheat, which met only slow sale at the turn under last week's rates. The arrival of Barley is Barley is large, and, ex cept for grinding purposes, limited. the demand very 11,niah of good quality may be had at 2Ss. to 29, No transactions in Osta for lac k of sellers. Be ins quite as dear ; .mall new are o ff ered at 3.51. to 3G.. per qr. ot 631 be. Peso without variation. Indian Corn, o f. prime white qua lity, may be had at 32 5. per qr. of 4801 b, and Meal at 14.. per barrel of lfiGlbs. There is less Linseed offering than of late, and the market rather stiffer. Linseed Cakes without change. pircel of Rapeseed has been sold at 261 per last. Rape Cakes ectrce, and in request. Bones are 6s. dearer. Irawiett, May 23.—This market is to-day fairly supplied with Wheat, which is taken pretty freely, at last w, eV. rates. But little Barley on offer ;no difference to be noted in this article. Beans and Peas have now pretty well disap. LEEDS, May 23.-We are moderately supplied with Wheat ; the trade is firm, with a fair sale, at Friday's rates. Barley slow. Oats and Beans fetch fully as much money. Other articles as before. Average price of grain: Wheat, 475. 111 ; arle, ss. Wheat, 11d. ; Oats, 225. sd. ; Beans, 365. 6d. Arrivals th is wee y 3 k 6,131; Oats, 675 ; Barley, 558 ; Beans, 1 736. LEI, it7OV BLEZARD, May 23.-Of Wheat there was a fair at erage supply ..ffering, and, although trade was dull, still last wetk's prices were fully maintained. s and thoug in short supply, was sutlicieat for the demand, le per qr. cheaper Beans and Peas the turn d . Wheat, per load of 6 busheis, 275. to 31s. Barley. malting, 31s. to 341. per imp. qr. ; grinding, 28s. to 31s. Bea 25ns, old, per 6 bushels, 29.. to 315.; new, 255. to 275. Peas, .. to 28s. LEWES. May 23.-Wheat met steady sale at last week's prices; the supply moderate, bat arrive. Oat.. Biwa ' and Peas scanty, and but little inquired alter. Wheat, white, 111. 10.. to 121.; red, 101. 10s. to 111. Si. Barley, none. Oats, 20s. to 21s. Beans, 31s. to 365. Peas, 36.. to 375. LIVERPOOL, May 2.1 -The entries into this port, during the week ending yeaterd .y furnish a moderate supply of Wheat, Melt, Oats, and Flour, coastwise and from Ireland ; but little thence of other produce ; the only imports worth naming from abroad comprising 25,958 qn. of Indian Corn, with 1130 barrels Indian Corn Meal, against 21,841 quarters of the tamer, and 7,219 barrels of the latter, xpurt.d within the sam time, almost wholly to Ireland. The ample rates noticed e in our last r..port cow inued to prevail here, more or leis, until the morning of yesterday, and, by our present w hines, appear to have been di ff used in same degree over many otner parts of the United Kingdom; and the weather bring now very tine, the crops in this cirri.. of the cauwry are progressing Si leanly as possible. At our muk. t this morning, the advances obtained for the lower tit:tale:es oi Wheat on Friday was maintained, and in a few cases slightly exceeded, the improvement applying generally to other eescriptiuns • the demand, however, was certainly less active, and the sales on the whole only moderate. Flour was held Gd. per sack and 6.1. per barrel higher, with a limited sale at the amcedment. Upon a limit. d quantity of Barley at hand, few parcels were sod 1, and the value of this grain, as well as Malt, remained unvaried. Beans and Peas sere rather more saleable at an advance of ls. per quarter. Oats were taken less freely on the terms last noted. Oatmeal, notwithstanding, was in tolerable request, and realised Is. per load over last wick's rates. Indian Corn continuing to meet a very eager demand for Ireland, our (potations are increased ss. per 480 lb. above the currency of Tuesday tut; and in C.,rn Meal the trans. actions have been extensive at 14e 6d. per barrel. Accounts ?waved ti is morning, per steamer, dated New York 10th inst , state, that awing to deficiency of water in the canal, supplies of all Grain and Fleur had come forward in very Bailed quantity for :he moment ; Wheat had advanced 10 to 11l cents. upon the rates of the 2nd instant; Indices Corn, 2 to 3 cents. par bushel; and Wheat Flour 60 cents per bend. Little business was then eracticablo for ex. ports, though freights continued exzee tingly low, and exchang: 10 to 11. The promise ot the growing crops t grids is most favourab:yro described. LYNN, May 23.-A moderate supply of Wheat, which was takot pretty freely, at 46 , . to 4es. tor fillas. to red, slid 50s to 52a. tor white. Oats ls. p e r stone. Beaus, 365. to 405. PLYMOUTH, May 23. -The weather cantinins fine and favourable for vegetation, which cause' millers to buy Wheat sparingly, and toe trade is dull. Prices unaltered. SALISSURY, May 23.-The hest dac,iption of red and white Wrieat maintained former rates. Barley was dull in sale; io some instancis the turn in favour of the buyer. Oats were offered on last week's terms, but 6d. per qr. reducteni was submitted to. Sr. Ives, May 22.-Tee Wheat trade to-day was a little brisker, the price realis ed was from 61. to Is. per load better than lest week. Barley much the same. DANTEIC, May 15.-The uncertainty of the question whether our port would be blockaded by the Dines, was received on Saturday, by an eftwial declaration of that go• verement, that only Stettin, Wedges; and Cumin, are to remain so, and that other ports are to have free intercourse by 'monist vessels In ennsequence of this, several Dutch and British vessels have already arrived, which has had such an intlu Dee on our market ( which was so depressed the end of last week, that g-aol mixed fitln. would have been oh- Minable at 355. to 36i ), that to-day 170 last of the implies I were immediately cle.veil at 37.. to 365. for god and fine I, mixed, 601 b. ti 611 b. It is t erre d the , . farther supplies will shoals arrive, and among them some high mire', which has hitherto been almost totally wan'ing The first buy Wheat was offered today, but it was only common mixed, 611 h. to 641 b.. and not for sale below 40s. 150 lasts were mild to spe culators, 59:b. mixed, at 33.. to 35r. A vessel of 2,000 qrs. has been chartered for Londoe, et is. 9d., to be filled with consignments. MANUFACTURERS.- HUDDER,PIPLD, May 23. --Our Piece-hall this morning by no means exhibits the same degree of activity it did last week. or for two or three weeks previous. The amount of business done to-day is very small, and prices very low. WOOL. -- HUDDERSFIELD, May 23.—We have been more busy in this branch of our trade since our la - ,t re port. A fair quantity of C ilonial Wools, at prices from Is. to Is. ed. per lb., has found buyers. The prices of Colonial Wads have ranged from Id. to 2d re lb. lower eince the sales. t t i l th:B4dee end, d. noble rati and reasonable foundeiion for the returns which he was competition of isaactiin t e t r i y . i r n . M be tt wa n Tr c hn h )ei r t e . u hiTo r idi o i r n iih nr e toto r diniag i te of a about to move for-which returns, if granted, would in his rural talk trade in the iteighbeurneod of London, i n E w a and I me opinion Trade, thwrg all e i t ." volt:lit= the d ,„ ."..%cti., lh:T l yt o e h th te v i d O , u 'ar d : h a - :it snit a . r m i e l , ,l. :a t ,: a , l r i fi:e b h isli r :ter . : - . or . n d y i ff f e o r r e: t. es : ep, o u f , u :iv p , i dor of the ~ 4..... ash dto do. He begged ro moo sweeten to avoid teem. There is als • room f t dlf r I e r ne . of Return., showing the qumeitiee and priest., duty paid, of Canadian opine. as to whether the ileum+ in Spitalfields is e a ~,, efer o t r b f . r e p 3 e s r e n . . ,,, ' . " . li rt r T c . t. t i bl i ti t e :r r n i a d efi es e L o r el f (Hear, „,:l t o h t: : d e t cb o h h . u .. e .i i t u e t r r pni,...ito y ) :,. . rei ::.::: t.,;."uk.ndt, :be:, wo dy: tr ,hi isfadt:4l, t 0 tiu.a.:thevirearaiber,shoseeldwidiartibritbyng]hibigt::b:c.,..r.seltr.ci,dr4l7:),:§74,otie.,,..:oknoin4.ltwith,;:,,puy..,v, ;c4rizgrnalitz 1... by. ,:: lo ,ai r ie d irl c iit o ,i u pt l h,.. d .rt: n t:y o te l iEr:reotl:34:4, Kingdom, aced a:nnd : , : i7t3 in :' :B 4" lB :2 • l4 :: °"lf l tal : e 47 llB.:- - red hi .atieurril.haFt:autichfadad alike : r i v es : it,ittnslt;ihbtr,,,hosmitats,isliiiii,tandzh al r 4 t r i le i! ,a nd .r. q lail l , d ,wa lk i, s a , ,,, : t h hp.c ic a h itati,i nis ial y : on which such reductions ma wend been ma& lik .1.43 817, and noble them w ith an aversge of years free bal lnd would not have altered the gent tal thara 4 the qu *Mims, In pound., rd ra wwue slit imported, exported, and ounsurned at home, In the years 1844 and 1815, as I teeth the statem nt bre u 1 A log aserage annual quantity conouned at Inane m etch pertod ; that ge• - ,es -s - - men- it pr e . Tniiin7litiill:l7ohia":"::;ihinroani:rth,trot:lrrd.n7ot:tuohfrYl4:i l ". .' :::: :1 11 4.1;11.1;7.,:e10'hd.d. : naii..:12.1,:0: nil i h i . : l enl i s vq :7l g ,: .. .L . i, ;: be :k. ihealtb4.,:lteat.T6i., I ..ill c. v...., that the ...Neter lord 1 and all other gruel. not enumerated in the truth• aril nay oration re the four months ervling compare.' with DM and 1845. This he thinks a tri 'at d h th i ck th nibs of lii4i, lit 46, and PAD. Continuation of tto much of return No. bu' 0, s e at there are name never any ms to h o . I itseurnPthimdal7 o t r i M i /v M , I t e h l e ti,Vei . tm 'r l oit ."" rir tart ' : the c trteapuuding throw coo mo re e l 1 . th en years afford a Gar sample of ree l 17s ordered the 6rti day of Yebrunry 10411, to the Ist week In January Men affairs independent of human legishe lob ? (M em MK as relates to the prima and importation of foreign and colonial h tni,e,ais ,, ,d r .c k unt7 t dt Viali i i ry l .e 4l 7 4: n a ,(,t y li e le a har r as, o a f hey lnix. , :n pf ..., p s led miti,hs p et ros pnr ptij oat iy loi jtvu .' Umber, and the 'which nationdt he atop. in whi hWe wins was int. ported, and the crews by they wire ,stand. Also, a continua ti nk that t t et at n iad of aretaatuarnat,Naoh.,l,lMtadaonana,tohtaliertra,fdli otlajwctd,„Aut.enilinln4o..ll, numbers sel.dnid toot nf the clettoma depart went, and err centser cunt of cullecuou °owe. state ce the silk trade ? and was net 1848 a em , quent upon reduction of enemata duties in 0110 of Imre envied eelamity, and 1847 one of leaguer m ad; The motion having bet n seconded nod pit from the chair, premier., hemming from one end ot it to the otner. (Hear , Mr. GLADSTONE rope and paid,-Sir, I fully concur in bear ) What elees the noble lord? He takes ten y o i 10 much of the noble lord's speech toe i• eumpri.ed in his unexampled prosperity, ted t and two bet so wof anexemple lav a , asse rtion that he thinks he less suf fi ciently shown what a and depression, admito ithout p rof ference to very great degree of Mamma exists at thi- moment in this tree trade or legishitium and from these he draws his coa countty. Indeed I think it might very fairly br questioned elusion.. I say, on the other hand, that if ,nti Vint a whether any particular steternent or aegum nt was remired jum comparison, you must Cumnore the eircurr.statmes of to make out the noble lord's p maim. But I differ entirely the years sines the change took pose, its as et. from the noble nor: in he as-anion that be he* tend, d period previous to tne change, ani then shown the dinners which prevail' can he referred you will have the average which the noble hire to the recent course of le_islaUme. Nothing could he more calls my theory, but which I am repare4 to stand by. slender than-I will tot sae the profs-hut the attempts I show dby my statement that the talk trade wan M a "Ma he has made to connect that damn. .ith the legislative pro- fectury state, not an compared with a year of excitement, ben cm dings of this country. The nettle lord has referred to the as compare I wi.h a fate average of years. I Vowed t i n: state of the lace tea e at !limns/theta, and stated that an there sage great increase of the silk trade in every branch, i,edevidual of the remise of Broths had given • very tearful by . very way in which its condition could he tooted. 1 picture of the distress buff red rty the people in that neigh- mowed that, whereas the average importation torten year., huurhoutl; and the noble lord strait d that Mr. Brooks had from 1834 to 1843, et rare -ilk, the material on which Britialt given it as his opinien that the distr. a of the people was labour is employed, Wan 3342,0 OMs , the mean ifilpeeta. a * butsble to the legiseoure, and upon that dictum the time far 1846 47 was 4,26.5,000 ;fo e ahowing an Menem of noble lord had found the Parliament guilty of false legisla- no lean than 52.3,000 ins. or somethlng like 17th of tee whole. tion. But not another word that, the, opinion of Mr. Brooks It wan penemly true that at the mem time the importation hoe the noble lord u teed, in or.ler to connect the distreas of Mr •wn silk had increased 265.3711 b, , but this was only of the Lace make , * of No tiogham with the recent legilla- a lumber teidition made to the sloe, tit materials with white time of parliament. W g a it is my ees. nt purpos to do is to British lemur was to be employed. I wale there hod been refer to Die noble lord's tter:or me ti impugn the statements a mut* larger imp•ertauon of thrown silk la convert into 1 which I nave formerly made in this hone . R fore Idoso I must Driteth manufeesure d go see. Is this large Menem lie allowed to state generally that if the noble lord in right t o 200,0001'5. on an everege of teo the yean to to rd ea 'in the views which he takes in respect to free trade, then he look. d upon as an evil ? Woat does noble 'is justified in his endeavour to make the tell-Inure retrace with us to understand? We heard him mask of apart its steps; but if the nos is lord is wrong, then I must be acute'. kind of gum!' admitted into Me easern• house, mif allowed to tell him , that instead of doing good by his pro- • I. Tr. ign fleet were sweeping the Thames or a foreign army ceetlings be is inflicting a very s e rious iujury on the industry threatening invasi en. he noble lord spate with a triad of and labour of the county, by leading the people, on his imininctive horror of the arrival of cononneitirs f ram Mired, authority, to "scrims their misery to this cause, as if he thought we should s end arm y , nosy, awl m u m , and to - Ink for an alleviation in a change which emaine them. Does the noble 1 rut see no tiope for our do he is not able to bring shout. (Hear.) I will now, [nestle trade except in universal and uncompromising anti. however confine my olmervetious to two subjects which the potty among all the natiens of Europe ? I Bear, hear.) It noble lor ' el has mentioned-ai m, ly, to my former statements i i true that there has been an Menem el 1110,000 his. is the with respect to bile and timh• r. As to the noble lord . " re- inmert of manufactured articles, but there leas elm bees an marks on the timber trade, I coil Fat 1 have not been able to increase . f 629,0001b5. in the import of raw and throws iii gather what it was he meant to say. Will he commit him- tor the employment of British labour. (Hear, hese) Nov, sell to a distinct motion ova this subject, en that we may fairly summating this impartation of foreign goods to be • calamity, meet his arguments and statements ? Will the neble lord, may Minim to the scourge of weir, yet surely KIN instead of resorting to vague, unintelligible declanistionn, cumpetisation may he Menu in Me In 1 that tor every pea give ti the opportunity of matting hem, by putting his of tureign goods imported three or tour p.unds of raw am. views into the shape of • definite proposition ? What the terial come in for the employment of British labour. (Hem noble lord means to sny, &mordent( to my s e prehension, in, halm) Bat the noble lord had another point, which was that the colonial timber trade of Great Britain has fallen thin. lie complained that 1 bad nut referred to the extent into ruin under the ogislative measures of me That was Inca th. fact. The noble lard may not have herd right honourable friend the member for eamwortla me, hut If that is the noble lord's meanine, it is intelligible ; and I But is the nuble lord homile to expors. Dors he regret tint ' , el to a s k him whether th it in what he meant to assert ? under the pressure of competition the British manufacture The noble lord says that I wits iucorrect in a statement has been atilt able to do • little in the way of exponential which I made respecting the price of timber, and that I was Ido n t know how the noble lord can make Ma Mask any SILO wrong in core dine him ae to the prices of timbre. But way auxiliary to his argument. On the cantrary, I think a both the noble lord ant myself were right, fur the would go to prove the good effects of OUT commercial lament prices to which we referri d war,' them of different periods, nom If you hate increan d consumption of for ego mom and tor that reason I am a ary I ever stated that the noble you give your customer. abroad increased means of dealiag lord was grimily igeorant on the auleject ; for the fact is, that f o r your own. If you have an inemease in the supply of the he was right in his statement of the price of timber at the raw material, you have augmented means tit employing time to which he referred. But the change in the prices British labour. Thus • liege increase en the ix/amused* of commdities and articles of consumption is not a fair re silk g ode by the Brent, people stems in them increased ground o f argument at the prettent moment. The country means of minion and enjoy me a t Lastly, I wilt add that is in a mate het collapse ; ani, as tar as the noble lord is con even with a deen-ased duty you have a small increase d cerned, is perhaps rieht in his tactics, in revenue. The revenue on site gomis, which front 1834 to having chosen to select his prices under such a 1843 averaged 220,000/ , wan in 1846-47 a mean ef 213,00 N. state of affairs. But, 1 centers+, I nu ver was more solo- I think, therefore, I have disposed of the objection of ths Mailed than when the noble lord found fault ankh me for ham melee lord as to the mode in which my. average wss takes. mg taken an average of 10 years to serve as de to the There is not much more on which it will be necessary that I prices of silk, and the noble lord styled the results my tkeo- should trouble the house, but there is one part of the noble ries. (No, no) aim; I say the made lord distinctly said lord's speech which I cermet help referring to. It iota' that against my theories he would set his facts; and noble lord's practice, when he mentions any q ua tit of lie collects his facts from pen° Is of great depres- foreign goods imported, to compute the number of Brune teen, and contends that they are complete answers individuals which their manufacture would employ, and I hi my ges cull. meet during periods of ten yeah presume infers from this that if they were not imported to Take ale . the same average* of the pri of timber during many individuals would be employed in this country. • series of yearn, arid they will complete ly disprove the noble Fur Instance, he said that fereign ailli goods were imported lord's amertions. lie soya that ruin to the timber mart to the amount of half • million shim the re amens:emend chants hes been n. quut upon Die cange made in the the year, teed added that this would give emplmentto Imes since 1 14 44 . coo I wall r te t the nettleh lord'a s as s ertions in 61.000 p e rsons-the noble lord did not say tur how oy long a two ways. First, as to price, taking that upon at average ; time. and secondly, as to quantity impoth d before and after the Lord G. BENTINCK : For one year. alteration in the law. I select Liverpool aa the port Mi. GLADSTONEdangerous thing to contest Iron) which these averages can best he selected, that camulations on the spur of the mom nt, but I doubt wry being the greatest mart for this article of import. Due much whether that ranoant of geode would afford wages to Mg the three years 1840, 1811, and 1812, the price of timber 64,000 persons for a year. But what I eish to point ont n was 2+. Old., the duty being 20. a metre Mot. The duly the • gross fallacy which tics at the bottom of this 'memento, was repealed in 1842. Theretore Me overage price during namely, that these goods, if not imported, would be pro three years was Is. 10d. per cubic foot. During the six doted at home (Hear, hem) Why, on this principle years extendit•g from 1842 to 1848 the price of timber was what the noble lord says would be applicable to everything Is. 91. againm 1.. 10d. Therefore, the entire reduction in which comes from a foreign country. Tne noble lord price by which tim noble lord contend a the colonial timber might point to the wines et France, aitd calculate the raw wrowers were ruined, amounted to 1.1. per cubic foot out of her of people that might be employed its cultivating hot-house 22d. Again, with reap ct to the quantity of timber im- grapes; or to sugars, and say that with tho aid 01 slat and ported from British North America, I will take the other appliances thousands might find work in its home pro returns furnished by the circulars of a Liverpool house, auction. (Hear, hear.) Ido not keels whether the nage for t hes e before anti six yearn alter the year 1842 ; lent in his preregrinatiorm for communal information has end show that six years belore the changes in the tim- ever taken ',voyage in the penny steam-boats which take the her duties were made the tonnage of chips employed in this people of London from London-bridge to Lambeth. If be trade averaged annually 152,000 tons ,- hut in the six years hm, he naght say that them boats, manned by five or az eubsequent to the dot es b-ing hover, d the amount of ton- persons, each brings up and down the river bOO to 1,000 nage was 181,000. Now, what will the noble lord say to p e rsona, and thus do the work of pollutes a bandied that ? Has th• British clonial tradebeen ruind or even waermen. (Hear, hear.) I with the 'noble lore could injured by thise change in n the law % I b will not e t follow the be brought to serutiaise his own principle', awl sse nohle lord through his statements with respect to the foreign where they would end. lam persuaded that he despot; trade in timber. Ile asserts that the price of but Ido not apprehend any great mischief from them. I Baltic timber has risen 11.. a load since the thine that the bit is in the noble lord's mouth, if be will duty on that clam of timber has been reduced permit me to say so , and that his doctrines are not likely to 1 really would recommend the noble lord to inq uire, with all have much effect on public opinion at the present day. II the diligence which he shows in investigating them matters, they were to make any ground-if the parliament of Gast ana for which nu man is more inclined to do hint honour than B r itain were to place itself under the guidaues of the noble I am, how much of the increase in the price of foreign tiro- I rd in economic legislation, I fear that (Chien only result to h• risto be accounted for lay the gradual rise in freightle, the country would be beggary and ruin. .) maimed by the lame amount of shipping attracted into the ' 14r. NEWDEGATE expremed his surprise that the right made during the last seven Tears. I find in the report or hon. gentleman, having taken so large a space of time from tee committee on the navigation, and from the evidence of which to :eke his first average, should have taken only two Mr. iii . F. Young, that the increase of frsighton Bal is timber years e on the other aide with which to contrast it. Now, two in no lea than 7s. 6.1. a load. If that be true, ight hun. gentleman taken the two previous troth , the premium enjoyed ha the foreign v - rGdue " would have found that the imports of silk had been loan is no more than 3s. 01. per load-a very aniall amount, those two ye-at a only by about 4,593 lbs. than that of the pro indeed, to accrue to him o ut of the immense reduction of the years since the reduction of the duty. The right hon. MTh duty, amounting, I believe, to 40a. per load. This premium tlernan cheered this-then why did he quote those two yeas is surely moderate enough. It we wish him to increase his as such a favourable instance of the reduction of the duty? %unpile, for the British commerce, we must Retard him some Why did he omit the two preceding years. premium tor his exertionn. (Hear, hear.) Formerly, there Mr. GLADSTONE could not tied the returns for those Was an attempt to heat him altogether out of the market. y eas. We have induced him to increase the supply to an enormous Mr NEWDEGATE-The right hon. fa n g would extent. The impartation , which in 1841 amount e d to 130,000 have feund the information in the returus moved y the lda. had increased in 1847 te 420,000 lo Mem that the su eV hon. member for Liecipool. (No.) At ad events he toil finhe Ili Binh public of a merrier article had been n early Me bl ' have found there the returns for the first of the two min and netwithstaneling this enormous extension, it would cep- omitted; and it was to be supposed that the right hon. tee pear that nearly nine-tenths of the benefit has been realis, ti e man , in making such statement", would at least have by the British puttee while only 4s. or ss. per load has been availed himself of those means of information whinier, the gain of the foreigner. (Hear, bear.) Ilaving said that open to all hon. members. But now how stood the faa 1 fecund great difficulty in detecting anything like a • The noble lord had bro u g ht before the house • stemmed brond tangible statement in the speech of 1.1,c noble showing that the most severe distress existed in variouspotf lord as regarded the timber trade, and having in of the kingdom; and he (Mr. Newdegate) wished to mll Nano ant meted since he sat down to pin bed to ea attention to the state of the district with which he was eon' a proposition upon which he might bon ribbon trade, were at this time in such • state as to be a c an' saying that I do not think he is entitled to snow that our nail, I shell drop that part of his argumen p ut e mener-ery polled to live on carrots. In Coventry they bad beenober cmonial timber trade is in a state of ruin, in cone quence in nectea. The people there, who were engaged in the acme to subscribe 1,0001. in addition to Mu loge increase a the changes which have recently been effected in the eons- the poor rates, and in seven weeks 40,000 loaves haul menial laws of this country. I think I am - entitled been distributed to save the people from starvation. Salt to amen that dote measures were liberal, ag re- . scriptions land been set on toot there, and Mother plseesiatt e Keeled the colonists, while the effect has been same district, to which the right hon. baronet (Sir It. in to simply But public with a better article than had liberally contributed. (Hear, hear.) In 'Nuneaton elte that which they had been before obliged to use. The si, poor rate had increased by one-fourth during the past tea; with regard to the silk trade-and here let us understand did not know how the people were to survive. When Met minds of the house-he had, I think, on a former speech caper what it is which the noble lord is anxious to impress on the saw these things following immediately upon a great ea refereed to the distress of the Spitaltields weavers in 1843. 1 and if the presaure of tlistress continued km another mole and financial legislation they could not but co:Alder tbit the alterations in the silk duties, and now the noble objected to the citation of that mar, because it was before that legislation wee amongst the causes. (Hear, 10 ' ' lord Mills fault with me far that ohjsetion, and says meat and the introduction of •a novel "astern of mom the law was changed in 1842. Yes, there was a reduction of t . mast he people were not speediiy taken they __, 1 per cent. in the duty on thrown silk, and a considerable expect violent changes of some kind or ofsut d lei reduction in the duties on India goods. Aud lie believed that if some inearUrell to TO! and, perhaps, the subversion of the institutions Lord G. BENTINCK-Two shillings the pound. country. Mr. GLADSTONE-Well, the noble lord finds fault with the reduction of duty in 1812 or he does not. Is that the , over-stated his came as to the inereane in the impo pot 50 r a. experiment in tree trade on which he wishes to bestow hie silk, by omitting to deduct the amount exported , • :;,;, censure ? withstanding this, there was still a great Me cm! t ,n Mr. GLADSTONE explained that be bad, heribeliawl-atr Lord G. BENTINCK - It is matter of fact. averace quantity of raw and thrown silk importer e aT Mr. GLADSTONE-The noble lord has to-night been and 1847, as compared with the average imports I busy in drawing inferences from matters of fact, in a manner preceding years. the most slight and trivial, but I wish to know whether he • gir 0. connects the distress in the silk trade with the changes in noble lord that there had been distress in Spielonere; 1812, or not ? The noble lord has no right to take both other places in which the silk manufacture SS Ca r ' ' , sides of an argument. When I said before, that he should before any relaxation took place in our commartafa CLERK reminded the hon. gentleman ... 1 1 J . a t not take 1845, because the changes in the silk duties had net The noble lord had said he found no parallel o te th a lur;al then taken place, he replied that the duty on thrown silk of 1847 since 1841, referring to the numbe r fSereefuhr a aa in endeavouring to show the decay of the silk trade, he takes year before any change in our commercial aneera • to en tooth 'hose War. 18IG and 1447 as his criterion of the state of trade under hethe hear.) But were there not circumstan_ , g e and ou India goods had heen reduced in 184'2 ; alteration in the law. Anti what • flourishing penal se- which might account for the distress ? Bo SO e aae a but to - night , as English bankruptcies in that year. But lesmailit, lens for contrast with those years. Why, the years 1844 1817 this country laboured under a moat sev en h„di:7 ia and 1815, which he contrasts with 1816 std 1847 were the of providence. There heel been deficienft a n, et . ..T . g eery years which, in a former speech, he selected, ' to show the latter period the utter failure o m. o . o arau the distress as compared with lie period of 1842. food and the partial failur e . of all ki 44 01 10 the ""- repreaents me from beginning to end. (A laugh.) which had begun to show itself at . or had been checked heal Loud G. BENTINCK-The right hon. gentleman mks- Another consideration was thm-that the jel mi . Mr. GLADSTONE-I am in the hands of the house. I meneement of chi , ye. B ven sull the °v eld find that the home trade was everywhere. tem but certainly I have nut misrepresented bis words. I may lord would th nut year, and in none more so than 1. 0 2.; do not mean to travel again ever the noble lord's statement, events of the continent. ut e ma have misrepresented his intention and his meaning, because bilk now eta Ma ont ash - ed th number of cotton rail , me i quoted correctly. (Hear, hear . •) Now with respect to the from which he stat e one "'a ll th silk ills were working except out, ,agg statement I formerly made as to the condition of the hat ae . in lo end. Witt;lof either he is the sole judge, but his words I have certainly silt trade. The noble lord would find, M the ea - CM statement, endeavouring toe did to include all the elements proof could er lie of t! 1 ,.. e V . F; c , v t 'i on to the tiguto o f de silk trade in 1842. No ono could make a fairer mill in winch only 22 perm .. na w_ere_e r, m ty p a y any mot. _ of the questiou. As to the trietrear in Spit.-:li 1.1, it is a then that': t h er e in t tam' 1 , who, la nici tK i or ler/ pot Tuition how ter a :ugat to be eaerioetl 19 the was. ataalact lug Way I ' any pt Colonic: smpl , Mr