The Express. — London, England, 1852-11-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—TURIDAY, Nov. 23. TM Loan CRANCILLOR took Itic seat at live o'clock, sad there being so buustese befogs the Loam their lordships int stediately adjourcoAl. wircje•L HOUSE OF COMMONS. —TOVIDAV, Nov. 2.3. The &manila took the chair at the usual boar. Several members were sworn in, amongst whom were Mr. E. B. Roche ead Mr. G. H. Moore. PETITIONS PRESENTED. EDWARD Mtiaaer.-137 Mr. EWART and Sir J. V. SHELLEY, from Westminster; Mr. OLIVEIRA, from the metropolis ; and other How Matthias, praying for in terference in favour of Edward Murray. RETURNS ORDERED. Oo the motion of Mr. JAW•itT the fohowieg returns were Ordered : —Showing in what boroughs in England and Wales libraries and museums have been formed under the net (8 and 9 Vie. e. 43), "for encouraging the establish ment of museums in large towns," and under the act (13 and 11 Vie. c. GO, " for enabling town councils to establish public libraries and museums ;" with the date of their establishment ; the sum subscribed (if any) to promote such establishment ; the number of votes polled fur and against the introduction of the bet; the number of readers and visitors admitted monthly since the establishment of such libraries and museums ; the number of volumes contained in each library ; the number of volumes issued month) to readers in the library; the number of volumes issu ed to readers out of the library in eases where there is a lending library); the number or amount (in books, specimens of natural history, works of art, or other objects, or in mosey) of donations or bequed, to such libraries or museums; the manual cost of maintaining such libraries or museums; and the amount of the borough rate appropriated thereto. And showing in what boroughs such libraries and museums are in course of formation; with a report of the present state and prospects of the same. On the motion of Sir W. MoLiWoilli, the following re turns were ordered :--Copiis of all correspeadases between bee Majesty's government in Canada, or say member thereof, and the Secretary of State for the Colonies, on the subject of the clergy reserves (in continuation of papers presented to parliament by her Majesty's command, Feh r:vary, 18.12). Retarns, for every year since 1610, of the mogul of the Clergy Reserve Feed of Canada, formed inkr the act 3& 4 Vie., rep. 78, see. 3 ; of the payments made oat of the raid fund to the church of England, to the church of Scotland, and to any other religious meet, under the act 3& 4 Vic., cap. 78, aces. 4 and 7; of the payments made oat of the Ciono.i.idated Fund of the tuited Kingdom to the church of England sod to the church of Scotland in Upper Canada, under the act 3& 4 Vic, cap. 78, sec. 8; and of any other payments made out of the revenue of the United Kingdom to religious sects in Canada, distinguish ing each sect. Return of the extent of the clergy reserves la Casa", the number of acres unsold, and their probable value. Return of the remind abstract of the colonial ex penditure of Great Britain for the years 1819 .50, 146041, and 1851-52 (in continuntion of parliamentary paper No. 627, of session 18.51). Returns of the number of her Meji sty's troops who have been employed in South Africa in each year since 1819.80 ; and, of the general abstract of the expenditure by Great Britain, on account of South Africa, fur each year since 1849,50 (in continuation of parliamentary paper, No. GM, of minas 18.51, and No. 89, of omits 18 0 2). teturn of del number of her Majesty's troops who have been em ployed in the colonies of Great Britain in each of t h e yeses 1861 and 18.12 (in continuation of parliamentary paper, No. 666, of session 1852). On the motion et Mr. R. Cetus were ordered copies of all papers, soil of any correspondence between the Ad mireity and Mr. George Mateo relative to the fitting up and trials of his patent machinery for grinding corn at Deptford; together with the copies of the minutes and report of any inquiry that has taken place by direction of the Admiralty relating thereto. • THE CONSTABLE OF THE TOWER. Mr. V. 8811TH said he wished to ask a question of the feceetary of War relating to the appointment of constable of the Tower. The hon. gentleman was probably swan that the committee on the army estimates refrained from entering into the eonsiderrion of the Tower garrison be cause they were informed that at the expiration of the patent all the officio impala undergo revision. That was certainly stated by Lord Pantnare. A vacancy had new unfortunately taken place through the death of the Duke of Wellington; and he perceived that Lvd Combermere had since been appointed Constable of the Tower. He wished to know whether Ow establishment wee satgeoted to revision previously to Lard Onaboannorsh t, or whether the appointment had been mode esLJeet le say revision which might thereafter Oahe pless which he con trived to have been the intention of the eleeseittee. Major BERESFORD said in the ammelamenthe sissy sad ordnance the Secretary-at-War Loot ressivien ieet tainly stated that according to the isselailen et the sow mines of 1833, the whole staff of oppoinimente i tbe Tower was to be subset to reviles at the dm& et hh Oren the Dab of Welliegtee • hot Weil Ile the Imo port of the committee, ma :et lei say me voidolos. With regard In the appointing of Yiessent Genienomio me Cemstable Otis Tower, be tempi to hiliontins sight hoe. (toilettes that the appoilosi wee mile slam death of ohs Dabs of Wellingha, with this net only rJasemoinmouts of the sessable, bu l t=elt alien also, is they lessee moot, were to be SANS he say revisits With parliament might chasm to asks. DO be mast Woo be. to nolo this (Rubio sonterk; dot Son the army Winans din year be kind the total sum rives Iseamis eardooe 18,0001. • that die son to Alois min 9,1741. • to; girlie* bald by same as troordo Ilis tory s;rviess, 2,931 f. • the menne bum tbo vole be rewards wee 12,1061.; the meant bos o n deo he the Tower of Leedom was 3,9111. ; mom 'NM • moots at the star whisk wises v were se rewards woe 44111.4t110 it=rt wee added the swat d a Mel of WOK That wee ea sideman to tibia Toe ed. Net Ile woe of " William ismalki4" but Mb e eet Immo Initb." The " Tower ef ria" was lasbolloi In to wards far distinguished senior • sad he vise some that la the sass of Viscera Oembermen, who had sena lie smutty apwardsetsizty years—ls India, la the Psalm* and la awl, parts et the volli—Olet. was net toe Inue a Out valor Ow bled. (1001stong deem) No logont leave Inner to soy. is wawa to the Webs ben. inntionsa's quoin% that wbeeseer soy roallemestary bosiry should be slob es tbe tummies, No monmemmon emeld men Millis* give *de best oindiela to it. end meg root of ibut oneltiiiment would be ogoa le ro ils& __NOIII2II OF MOTION. Sir W. CLAY gam Mho that share, after Christman le mash' tam . resdadaa ter the gosiltkia of church mass. sill ADIIIILILLTY. mama isVlnimis p to the M. weisma Sesestary is dr Malta, ib• etriel =smidi p= bin sft. He waild him wbether ber MOW" iirgamanat isteedid le !Wear, S toll tor the balm swilials• ports sag berbeen 11 . 7.8 7 fAMPORD mead dal It was sot as labialise of the gossrammat er brag to soy sash bill. Admiral IBILKELity said Ye wet quads' yr wbetbev the meow Beard et Ado Why, is.. alter their esemire ea we IL ._& ON the lemees et tbe workmen ord meemeileil he beeebelii*. ime to be met divest w ibe lialesbery le No Adnkeity Wind I et Wag Am eabuitied es the lierveyee et dr Na', is bed beam pravesedy the este ; awl wirier say se leek plea with tbe server* Is eamegesase ls. 7:l eeeer, see 'Maw se* oder walla le toot Mr. STAFFORD rid as anaseril. width we list role wire the Navy IPN:to wee redden with the Beer& r Admiralty is vlda ono Frei is 1844, sod weer wr @retool M rile= Is 11147, whim Mr. Wed herd Re his reelallook eM se la bra. It bed wet bow shovel by Me pewee Bowl of Admiralty. Thooo led Moo oemervareekoss with the Mom alike 31 2:e i r =LET ail the hit q =le ea le the he& ler, a sew debate wae la *etre kW sed taydemblea. mews and the MO* se la awed yaiyarte. i i i tuna mit apo- Zg l ersepaellag Taint ale way assikaisa Or were say rear ? bowl to r. SIAVFORD rotoe Mr. art ell .t member thst be hod woreely If _ test somilloo did eepolia. The reedier was eppolatel WNW am torptrp. aed an Ideeeprel s his k wit lbw& list la al wry eat Ma *ma it lambi be seeresey le speed a Imps MI a mosey than bad bees prodded hi, tad Amapa tebeened SD taws. TM hes. awl plot pr times w ialatebsa ia unman that it vas dielabied sail ft in* _yam* ..we. the revere et h..-B.r. air 0. 11/0111ILL wished to knew wieldier ee est It wee tame that the freaveyer et the Navy W torieral hi. teak natio, to the beard Mr. litillOSD espied that ft we mot Dee NAVAL DEFENCES. NJ. RICH wished to ash the hes. eadamia ale& ford) whither. la peresease et the resismoreidea if • ermaittee whir et is the leet errs to Writs Me the stated the ...reeds rad Mem navy, saa ile sem to set r sit sar to the royal any, aa Map lad bees taken by the rntiV beyond tae at Ilat erataissioa, whialt dr boa. peadaaaa hal jest thehease vas recalled Ihr want e Me. STAFFORD said the boa. Adana bed him Me moo apathies. TM sates la Re repot sespeeted *et amain akip &Mid be di.. at saws *al swain Sim Woo dada be pelt la media whoa weelahlle Om verde own mar whale i mod that hither haw theitehedd he node ea he loaeorel el the ealleeals At he teatayamee al tbe heft Miry eolltes hell bah thigtod, bat he did ant Oink it awnli. us Mho Whet they word FRIA IN COURTS OP Jurrioa my. CARTS/ ebbed to ask the AIM the her be bed progleed the make at hoe ie be homed sad bawd by the set 14 sail IS ThiL le t u tt,. 11 ;1 1 hr he ezprees of proessatioao is aeaste el labia tbey Wen a tesaimaitted tow vain. *barb to be aitod on. WALPOLN said tbie wake bad set yet bees pre. pared. bat the ealloot had set be.., ead shield set be, bat d e bt 4 Zo aould maimed oat say espeetatioa M patrol web et is twill ream Ns. vttLuinio IMILTRADI MOTION. Ik. VI LLIJUIS *ea ha, la peataamo el settee, to we the istiming sosimilms 1114 it is as sgbisa this Mos gist ifs impend coediting trims dorm Wen, cad iv tin hoe That it . and farther to that of r dastry of Ere, That this tower's eo ;lastest with t ion es e Ite which may be laid before it by her Mejeety'a alaistan. Ho in rising to submit to this hone the nee. latices of which I have given motive, I think It right te eta,' why I have deemed it my duty to persevere ka IM mimeos, mad why I did set accede te the nem* wth wee lawn te M orienoily by the right boa. gesidemme the Chaarallor of the Eschew,. that I would pestpeae the mike to a time stsnequoat to his proposal .1 soma emu use whisk he end he wished to submit to the bus. With this view I heft lint to areal the nediesdna of the hoses is the position is whisk the knee itself sash with reopen le the rest mho, whisk I believe we en specially at this measeal s awl posbage hoer ea t, seem to settle. Theme seemed le be, so it. Int sight of the amiss, a snot ef geensei esseturesse is the propriety of sat mosieg eaT amthilemst to the Memo ; aM I think that was essethemil by the kolas, that inasmuch as this seethe area medal. non dellberate essaideraties might he gives to the nahr he width we bed bees essomesed nos awe &WM onesies. It was ender dens abeensiesell that I rose es that ev=s . gin &den seise the I oheuld, ea Wen Was tie antoin dimisedy usher the seem of the homes. list, sir, sae *fibs asesequesals of the theektity which prevailed cia the Sus sight of this semi= was that this Mass bssame bowl by the contents of the address. Thee wan se oneshasee moved, and with rasps* to that pistiealar rime so which we wen supposed be have bees sesessesed, we wen bound by that paragraph or pump la the epee* whin had reference to it, whorl was the subject of obsenstios ea that night, and which, I may add, was so much ebgensil te generally by the house. Sir, I am sure I am not inariarelhag the case when I say that under all the entwining' that panseepli se= is the speech has given .s given tiers cheers.) Whales all yens= amisibied hr. to hear something like es desist iseimeides of the ep non of the government epos the peel mean sa which the diet parbanuat had been diseeineeed dis new padiessest bed been called together; whams all peens were hoping either to bear that opines felhaseed thwagk the speak, or the view entertained by the government of the sparks which the country had expressed on the subleet, they found in that passage of the speech when din expected to have this information nothing bat what I think has been justly desigeated throughout the country al ea unworthy evasion of the whole matter. (GM speu sition cheers.) Wherein every person rapeseed to Ng something distinct and clear with regard to the spiels elf the government, they found that) nothing was illeslded. nothing was asserted; something was implied 7lish the very questionable, and the paragraph esseiried is Ism which I venture to ray there wee an II OM Is Ilk Wen who did not consider were used perosedy all Is be rim epectful. ("Oh, oh," aid laughter ben the Withstand side of the house.) I say that, sir, net advisedly. Me. stewed nits of " Oh, ob.") I do anboliere that, at least in the modern history of parliamme, there has ever bees sash a paragraph penned sad pressallal by say ministry to this house. We all know what was meant by the reference to " the wisdom of parliament" Why at Is • cant sort of earned, awl Mickel Negation often mode upon the charism ef tie beam (Laragitter.) Whomever anybody watts M satirise this Mesa. he refers in a mesedeg teas to its wisdom. (Great Isteherst) That may Si ps. an be just, but I say it is ths sass. aad I say she OM there was not a sea is this hewn, aid I believe there ems not a ass out of this Warn who did not rougnies the terms Mak an used es web essedeth and Yet is the amg pemegAt the spank r a e i b bs erz ai t=e pat is as eserrar sepposed es town sire d = parliament sammened examen fo r te panne of desiariag the answer. Why, sir, I really an at a Ism so snenteed bow hes. gentiessta ingesits amid Wee semseed fat me What din that palm: the opera wield he at entisholon te what seine haw duseibed es the great mlerity of ttielmose I am platy, se learn, hen what We pared raw* la essliberthat it wee set only awned to be main On. thee anybody the &yoke ths nateer—embeiy tele is set catkin with thet Modes le the seen math, h queeties—ie fastiess—(opputhis shoseth—owil same a gaieties for the purse of opposing the pennemth Si mines the almuras whin are is sentemplathes M the linens of the errestry. (" Hear, both" boa dime. MONO M, it is es this aceatitt din I sweater i arse Impennat that this tease sheath ewes le assn (WWI amt peolthe dedenties es dissent geoid= at issue. lit le be. othiskansider that thhheenlimaisspethinaanythimsbed eigilelletery that I new eat epos it le Asian its opted= hensnatter. I beg math he mg the 'Undo. of the e the maths Is whisk It gime itself by the dui des of Ihe Weer sight. I sold bee" and I seta is ts . se aeowthemse having bees sawed to the warms. he ham lemma by its saaleals. I soy thsitoulth selb• sums es She .edition of the sentry, it is bewail 4 the PM, Si to the Wish. mod I ask whollelethet Is it gnYebslnp thy Ise this Woe le sopa le a p e= sepathed by he Embers/ liat the sight hes. the Cheamilor of the lesesse le ma to waive the maths ef whin I pre eels% fee the mouse dra Waft she rave s which he WI le N ow, dr, Le,de NM sedersend Um lugs seek • proposition. bier. dens This Wise h met at (see, hoer, es I Wee rig base, he the de of rot:skin the meths of the omen ems a ostler dis dain, referred to it—the peaky TM* le to regulate the mmisercial interests of the ens . lan way saying that width was stated by the bet addetsr et the begiaing of the hat eerie, an d repealed by him has sight, wises I as. son thet this is he psepow he whisk we are assembled at this waned Wee the you. Tbe sight km seadassaa , withest e V, Maki boss seaveyed in the spool as te the the greenmest. with regard to lies au tism haw Mrs plata women er at hest seg. gemer.te he ere I &soli melee the yeepeillea whisk I sow smoke he a Medea Widen of the here used be slaps h Nash swaserea New, I then Wow what these see_umemo have to de with the penises he shill mew std (Moen.) Ide set sewn that the lastudiemest en dismayed fee the proposed taking ea opieW ea Nay menses. sall I an set mese that any seneeres have buss eshabled le the sewthey. (Hear, km.) Ide sot Meg that Nelda initialises were made la ember pine d mesons, whisk wen 11 }tsar every ttell wily • reimoneble time were ghee he their Intro- That theirall mho • very geed = e h= dams be asellennle. se In tees le easeenies to thole theta be iMI tea de he At Ham at Conmees amensbM let •ipesNe pu5,..,, ant doming to faith the panne he whisk we are west (theer irie beas We lave • - disdast semilsolien of die pme. =Min the hits pardnessat was theedved ; esd es sines aid dweller sight. Wane the Isla wholart of the wows mil see ap his Wad le things lb 'phis' IN allalin Inapailasi ofteat. sad theesheywner le take the opines If the swastry as to Mean he in eight off wens is Ihe awns be lad adopted. Aa he as I melt tressed that miallems, kn osbeas = w (Clisli ee asnested le be Med by he seastry, he —I will see meet the Weverest within he made—es that ordeal t he odd be wend be tried by bh out that is sedisiest to notify my swam hew.) He has Ws died, sus, se it seems me, bee bees head rating—(eed elisers)—bst sir sew se the ementry, • Weil, if mos% de, yea mut Wee moselling alse." (laughler.) thie Osiedely, the I /shahs sub, yea differ frets no is this eseeter, bat if yes only give nto • ease time, I Wye sot • asilsesse so fertile is reasons*. and Monk thmenshat abilities, that he will sees wpm fer yes a othelleele yea tea he with, lie r is s a h genitted yeethnot= te be sathihstery all Clmedi ohms seri oshear.) de en any Ms limn awe onsmy palsies of the hMb hut. then Ithidatersh when • at seenedy 6U earthly ergo, and I :are ao that this k reposing mesuese width be thiamin it nu Gan give him Ogee to welama them. Hut is tin ossaatime we mss AM el the bsisw he whisk wean nethabled, sod cons Isis deri de he width we have lath (Chen.) nehody setesideml to bear that a notion so elithess. so peas* samesatile, ae I hope is , that whisk sea then te iamb a the knee, we se shiny ensbent with the pu pair whislimease smosaiekesilliedgest with whisk we IMO dashed sedligsawillasel the theett7 -l ele featly assesidisil to ethe that the very aseatiss of sari • fair and essineassome propeddes is essektered by her Majesty's geverameill. aid Omer soppenon es be suss.. (Hear, hem) Trecaid be the wpm af wessehmelag the wannest! !need hr the math of dandies Mah on ! llelly, Ide set Wow needy why I to trail this genmuseat, tie rest IMAM writ . = rtation he etheithese I Owed sheen sad _het Ide eat use why meth WM bush shield be Wm the neon. I deffe ri zsbet balms thie debst , missies we shall lave of renew eves win we sheath elli2=tat a iL s. dd otheallath seyellease aserves the ems that SW seutthiest has ma eet bennted IS sp ies-Irgy I ilieU as submit sews male te the Raw ef Comasoas. Is odor that it may espies ft othestive thea, is Ashman le the Weak= seen hen have reo~ hen *sir seenitessla hese) Menner, I hew so Mee don the measures owe eldia ther right hos. singemes h le s* with • view deficaded a Wane oppeollies. I seilabily pew ban read des pa de japan, sad sea saissierel as sidled the Winn des whisk le epos to every body, ssil I have fad the thee dithesky whisk I believe Ms bees Mt by even is Minima whet demo messethe sadly are. I hpfe seal ametaßy the smokes_ Muses. seined to be lie OW Meese at Ur apowN geweesearat. One et rem, a wage moessia when shismeles an sulsogleitil _ap emu sell We he bed residesil se dklisst tiltheethla of what the saline oche epee=.. lei h • f i llehi2 , hi d dis q l=it ai seT b il= al lOW le ' yeses wbothee lest rt sue,o, or by nesallieg with the snovethy of the be amid sot My, bet relief was is nue way et ether se he chided. Tenths ear view to Zwers, we MN a eseassms Ikon, who hes shut bit assesdes pswalls* Sio AO sod whit gamin thst thread I agar deo fee theliemes weld thee Ina undo assissq the no et ISO, is espied. Yak e Indiums high is the immadethe of peenmon, the a se ue =s e rlej =is the seemmenst, gess dews le the hrumalbse•—r thee Aide le hie MOM la Wail\ be alibi hi /iamb of lb war kis lerllship Ito had law : .41 , 55: i t. - says ,st, 19 VII a=hiaLlisswea —ors raiment, sad sisp—" Let *mid my sesagares, let me have the preside*, at you." Of me, who wane to lay down NOM priaciple upon which the 410 , 1Mily ought to regulate its wasameroe, et, according to an ezpramues used la the Hoses of Lords, its *tens* *awe you do that, says the right hes. hi me intembeas at the gsatiesma asks sae to assume that mint mls• aid bee bop do*, and that ems reponse 1. andred. I Mar everywhere of maser* I Use of she as honestly &areas d suppertlas year We, ea this side of the hew—aad I *Owe have keened our noolutiose perpoiely to panel Mee aimealans. Oise us some information that May me Mon amok and that they adopt our views miesee,tlei pa*, mai manialy they shall receive all taw hums, her ns side of the hem. But as far as I eta onsorrek the cores to hes tean if newts et all, are ea am amenity. Ten Mr damn& the lest parliameot, pr w li o r th irt:Z es idl e o e l rad giet,Aus i l ye ) s . ,l e rhatr i a l sea that a mere seareleat mares for a party I mere lead if, than Mt et dhalviag parliament to oh tain a verdict from peals egitleh, and the aitption of such a phraseology after. Oats emit but be mend at it. To use a rather volpar asap It is merely " Heads I win, tails you iota" (Chase. heghter.) If fres trade is successful we " bow " went ot tee country, but at all events ire remain . laughter) I never should have made these o bssrsatiaaa, as have taken this line of action, had not my mesa her stigmatised as factions. (Hear, hear.) I want be jaegy my sewn mad, show the country that I am wease is c:lltse a distinct declaration of the priaciples that ere to • the govern ment. I believe that the country has itself to be perfectly satisfied with its experience of resist esmerelal policy, and don't want to have it ie gt Op Iles *iv they y, th want to have it dschuod men uadontaad why the grainiest eat die Mho* themselves satisfied and datseasiamifi, eery MatO* set to its fates meat. If I m M undeeslan tee armsets or speeches albs right Ma. prilemen, er at least of the first minimise the WOWS. they area that the latter has not abandoned hie 'Miens at old, brie d tho mane rake still. That bang Oran I seem misestood Sat there is sapling mersedie N the reentry rembing—briag the tint Mister able opedne—that they also should have their opiates., and &NM he,. them declared by their re ressalathes in this haw. I de not believe that a public aseling ark he anal ia say yeet d the country, when the perms amalesol weak net &elan that they had derived the greatest alvermis trees the *angel which legislation had made la or essemessial play, that they were matisfird with rail the' they did set wish to Morn to the old , bear.) I want Mknow then why the ll=el is the last Mai in which each opinions are to be dadareil. (Hear, hear.) Why are we to eon* with band base and " Bated breath" to whisper some thing Illystetions mad equivocal like that paragraph in the Queen's Speech, whisk soma to intimate that evil had resulted from the issamegelel changes, and that the first business of parliament Mull he to remedy that evil? That rtnr.e. i l fr l e age n e=to ps ystezome, we don ' t ea understand it. emembisti — les, oda* it. The only thing sheering, aid whin asthilma m et the propriety of my making this MM. is hot it has already has am geed ; this good, that it ham eed the sanderat of the right hon. giathan. ter.) Ire mare the right hon. gee. UM= that I derived the greatest satisfaction from amiss 11, emailmeat, whisk Is not an amendment on say resslatise. bat peat amedimat the politics of I* party as they on peep ceded la the Queen's epees n, sad la a sees* on, by the but minister of the crown. ( deem and )ia•glitar.) Ad I can hardly be induced le Menu my rupiah*. he the sake of Ude antioner, beam I time that it sway man of masa sane saw the tee he wield may that she was the mearbaset in Sight Ma. peatiessam's the MOM repomitioe. Nona went I wlthohaw It, if it were only on account of tho pal It las des abeedy, nor will I despair that before the glossa*, ~dug seal the debate the right hon. gentleman ma ade pt my tessiatise—per haps vote for it. (Laughter.) These ie ass palest la tho rem emiment that brings es seer to an agreement, so near that I am ia hops, we ebsi have but one division, ;wham nose. It is a moot galosh* admission,' that a* of the sets of our recent 1401611 m bed norpr ril geonien and thereby . greatly imponed the aserna Of Se working cleases.' . 1 satiny ogres with the right har on that par, os ran do I agree with liC k th e s a i ll i specifically rebel* le that act, Slid so Mire* ode 1 sore with him is his renews to that act, that I have elisereis teed and marred is oleic to that tat of recent tioa which elmegnmed provalees, and t 'sedition of tie wmeloass as the be e; be* man admits is ids nave enraellsolair wise mad jea. 1114111111811. cheers.) If the gernmea will give IMO NOM roams for withempigi nedstioa, be win In WWI te tell me why as as lish am= his eaMrsat hes conferral ema Mees. i met he shavestsebed as I have eharsibelmed It. trisebi be mid* if there should be any *sissies on the peril hie khan kr, having long considered the sub- Ast,thaving may limas board it discussed in this house, I have a dietlast resell-Mien that the repeal of the am laws was oppose& moiety sa amen of tho welfare of the people. It was always a Mewed nurse. So it is with me, show me that the labour,* cola, mad I ma in the lobby with you at maw (Cheers.) It Ma pew Sea's question town daily ; it was always dimmed by d hea. gestle mes opposite in that point of view, an ea mare that deny brims was preset Ma erer ma pig on, he weed bar thosht that d the beandwas woo on that skis sins he.., andellthebordhserdean se this side; he mailhave thought Mahn* berveleatnea eared a for their own kindred se hob sea greperty, bat wLl is A ready to be milled he the Me& el the MAIM elms, wham their roam% mom hawk ad haly Meted mos, always grfaiime the hese if he pear, an mike to throw on them saiesey. (Cheers.) If nth sa obsorror were to appear to-night, sad to goo that we have admitted that resent *hasps in the law have benefited the working claw, sad greedy immed their audition, but yet that a great party, th, meibeley that used to be, object to &ages* that set as wise and jug, I be isms he would be led iato some doubt as to no drearily el their sympathy with the poor. Now, if I samet she a weed of advice to the right hon. geatlema sad to that party, It would be at ante to accede to my rembstiss. Foe if eve; there geisha • law which had the abet of nab* the ef provisions, and, easuaqueetly, detericautl* the ef the people, it must have boss the most Weiss sad OM mark law that ever existed, and I maw" WAIF stead why an am whisk leaded to repeal rah a law, eel to produce man ememeasse as the right hem glade. men has dashed. sea bo Mae team I haw Assielhal , it I. E mi rsolielisa. (Hear, her) I mast emir a ms.. morn authelthaa that d will sabileate d In sad if aa att= that east Meld he the hem& s new embus et the seaonaity, I rennet arseho whim_ am dim Ina sash an 11118116111 d. (Ben h ear.) Whit is it that yds aeon by ma eat that hos reele d Mo pilso af bard ad~rw Sum, ma loaned fei Haman ens reds t Ile e, n so triable WlNNlias Min essiblea t Mew, ham) M a se s omen the sr n at e h he ad the perk hen sir essioss the rellise el hot Mel these sines ef gos& _who am Ihdrally lloadollytall. (aeon )teher a sat MR hoe &grant ealsalar amok] stand the mem he has of Mein*, ati lai t ig a:thar=l% asemeary Os mpg* tbs maireseents of bat ea the rant brad int whin enables his to naiad to la err work mil en Mid. (Hear, hear.) • saes ear Mod sr d j erided beerally either a Mead may ea the , la reponse ea had le Mader or same an that Is, is the reser sem el the meld. the soot ; portant alremsemes mend with the reed *dam ef inea, whisli seas the Seal/ se searcity_at his hod. What is the Mims d life Mb at Spa lellises el the ; vent Is their lasiesee bet end am =int hod? It is Mat width obroseler me *bell be direlaramd ee &Mel, whether le alma he ths aserent dies vales sr the gaol tr u ailin =Ma paw. Misr, hear.) It i• teat has the mimed smansisa i m p la the sonatiy, that it dernsenhorly ea Ihe mom' d hod whet b Is he the ending al In Men bads Insane, if my Manse se = sealleashodly Mil ley to none& any panes Naha hams oseeleren ihe or le miry whil fis pe „.. l Maseity ahoslems irk hos hal the Mir of • .14111111, prosomse s a Ven,l= e eau. Meths notam tholndollem, el peepi_o_dp eat lbe *ad. (Hear.) Theis see masa la e the matey whir espaisase hes v ela oebsr Ph i st e rrisse sad doetilaise of lee Park a = Inn& aa tho manat of he& lamilablefor thir ; goo ea maim the voltage's I &Whim gar lea = s r I . s id that tee right Ma the Osseelmey he dm inert will kid It ..emery to ant saes upland* to tw o moos if emit beimmeat he seade h she matey Asa reseed, he dim& he menesra I as pe w hilly misled the the right hoe. mailman has bees saim einemented or Mempseld, he I Beim his to be holm ma lathe heemosho meld simpreemat a hot et mensal hike esealeymon. Ileginh lb high solhed* ho seppesel to have tons Deaden addriessilhat emplim cone t el Mei hed Ineresal, nil with It ne. " Walpole.) I Nan, believe the tight hia. pelbsere danial, sad I sa Obliged te him ler *a he shows that the epees, o his b tits gmeseel eantstka dtlis 1 thM mallim sod dm belief that the amonet 112 "1 := innees Mao that makes the peseta es stealhen h sap plain min sheave. I do not PM that there mid be p o s* jibe nesameer 1 lad sheast add the MUatmeN d am, thma dal they geoid hr ths oaks of lesetios thmelves Man to Mit the Meist er* e the people. (Hear, hear.) But ,air notwith standing my senvictioe of this. I sot obliged to ask whit we are sembled here for ei the present occasion. I or obliged to oak whether seek a came as I have described hil sin suet he upwards of thiety years, and whether we ▪ Oat le naspis the rimer al to the 00111011- 11111 whisk Mr alleadied the read of law ? Why, here in Nokias la the haitedses et the matry, nothing la as wealth or power, whin mid rens& the working ohms to the seenneem *jury width ear a law must Min a the.. had what I andesteed to be the kiln ease hawse& this side of the how and the other tomight is that we designate the repeal of mesh • law wise and just, and that on thellaber side such • designation is deemed to be hetious, tad utterly inoompalMe with the right hoe. Butlers...We (the Chancellor of the lizebequer's) hewer and credit to admit it. (Cheers.) I ass told, aid I ham received laureation • few minutes before I entered the house that if It should be declared Is/ the majority of this ho ax that the repeal of the corn law has had the east which that Chemeaker of the Exchequer admits, and has I. fact stated he se Emmy words end that having had such se effect, it la wilts eel that such declaration must result la the neigaints R meat. (Laughter and Wen.) I I shield be ea esny for that, for I osa amen the right be.. patismaa and the whim earl at the head of the ' , gesieWeet that *holster they easy think of the motives ' atheism who are opposed te the t boa. gentleman's re deletion, I have net • thi desire to id% the eight hen. gentlwaa ("Oh, oh," from the neleisterialists, sad e Ztemi lateghthr from the Imps& dm.) Ido not dotty that the wile aid ea the bead of the government is a great autherity as to what is belies. (Lead cheers and laughter dem the opposition.) The mins earl tells us that he has been 30 years before the pub -14 and daring that time the public have had ample oppor tunity of whamming his sondem, and I es one of the public eta not in the least disposed to dispute his high authority is melt a subject re laughter and oppositio n cheers.) N. doubt the noble earl was single-minded, but it was just possible for • penes to to single-minded on some subjects, and have • singular mind on what wee just when bis own interest was involved; sad 11111 they had use too that it was net altogether impossible for • person to abandon, for the she of power, every opinion and every principle he had professed. (Hear, hear.) I have said I should be extremely sorry if the result of the division should be the displace- mist of the present government. (Oh, oh.) I care little whether any credit is given to my statement in tide respect or not—(hear)—bat even should that be the result I believe this great country would survive even though the noble earl the present prime minister were not at the head of affairs. (Cheers.) But this argument about the aid coley of forming • government is by no means • new one. Whe ministry has been hard pressed and felt its existence inje ;partly we have been told that the then occu piers of of were the only party able to form • govern ment and carry on the affain of the etantry ; sad what they have been displaced we have bent wi th in a sem* perhaps, the very same thing sad de Oar somesses. (Cheers and • laugh.) I am than aft litspeesdi attribute so much importance to this ergument of the necessity of continuing the existence of the usual govern ment as some people seem to be—l have seas four or tire different governments in power since I have been in par liament, and so far as I have been able to observe, there has been • very strong family resemblance in all of them. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Nor have 1 found that the country has suffered much by the change, for we usually find that those who succeed to power generally do that as • government which they opposed while in opposi• bon—(muck laughter and cheering)—and as far as their measures are concerned are scarcely to be distinguished from those who preceded teem. (fleer, hear.) My own impression is that no very great genius is required to administer the government of the country. (Hear, hear.) I believe all that is essential in the various public offices is done by the subordinate public german, of whom we hear little or nothing, and that it must be in consequence of great want of judgment, or a great defect at capacity, that any government can become sufficiently un popular to be displaced. (Much cheering and laughter from the lower opposition benches.) Therefore, I beg to re-state, that, is making this motion, I have no object of displacing the government. I am not acting in any way as a partisan on this occasion. (.. Hear, hear," from the op position, and " Oh " from the minister ial members.) And if I might be allowed to offer my advice to the right hoe. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it would be, that he should do no such thing as resign—(hear, hear) — but that if this motion should be earned 'await him, that he should rather be thankful for it, and proceed quietly onward in the course which, apparently, he is only wishing for the opportunity to follow. (Loud cheers and laughter.) Tho right honourable gentleman seems to me, as far as I can discover his intentions, to be Inclined to enter upon • career of usefulness; and I would not have him deterred from persevering in it. (Chun and laughter.) The right boa. gentleman takes, I think, very mach the same views of the financial policy of the country that those whom he used to assail take—(hear hear)—end with his great talent, which seems to he available for any —(rure laaghter)—l should be very sorry to see 1'7,2 1 °,: moved from the office he now fills. Certainly, lam still more hopeful of the coarse he is likely to pursue from what he has already shadowed out of his fatale policy. (Heir.) I I think we have reason to expect good from his statement' in bringing forward his budget Wt year. He then stated Lets very candidly, and though his friends were very 11121i0112 afterwards to exculpate him from the charge of drawing any conclusions or opinions from those facts, still there dbes appear to me in what he has now avowed in the amendment something like a conclusion which he honestly means to carry out. (Loud opposition cheers.) He showed my fairl y . in his budget speech how the policy which had prevailed is this country for the is peen pre vious had greatly relieved the country without in terfering with the revenue. Them were the facts, and ha was obliged to state them. (Hui hear.) He showed that duties on various articles had been repealed, and others reduced by • large amount; ma that the revenue had not suffered, but had benefited. This he was obliged to state, notwithstanding that it was offensive to his friends; ' and now by his amendment to-night he appears to ham gone so much further in the right direction as to account for the fasts he so stated last year, and to pledge himself le continue the policy out of which they had arisen. (Hear, hear.) That policy I believe to be, that you reduced the duties on articles of general seasuiptioa--or rather, that you in the let place removed allepther the ditties is articles of necessary consumption, aril then wended te reduce the duties on other articles of general coesemption, depending for your revenue on the priaMpli that when the means of the people are increased by the redissed prices they pay for articleseles of necessary consulate's., they are enab led to consume more of the articles of gamma eassmaptiers. That was the effect of the statements atm right bea. gen tleman last year, and, as was to be espsated. them WON statements which, coming from such an an , were exceedingly distasteful to hon. gentlemen is the stint side. (Rear, hear.) But nine months of gestation have done a groat deal—(" bear, hear," and laughter)—snd now the right hon. gentleman comes forward and proposes this amendment, which admits the whole ease, that when' you remove the duty on articles of food, you may safely re duce the duties on other articles, because as the people will be able to consume mom of such articles, you will be sure speedily to recover the revenue. (Hoar, hoar.) That is an intelligible princille, and what we want is to have it fully acknowledged. Cheers.) We want the right hon. gentler man the Chute or of the Exchequee . fully to acknowledge it, and pledge himself to proceed in the same COMM. (Cheers.) Bat we have as yet no positive statement that that is his intention. I have no doubt there an mesons prepared with that Intent—(" hear," and a laugh)—but the statements of some of the right hon. untleman's colleagues in aloe which have gone forth to the country have tended to convey a different =pre mien, and no us really knows whether he is pimp backwards or forwards ; but if the house decide in favour of my resolution, there will then be no doubt for oar future policy, for we shall have • gown' ackaowladgmaat by the house of the advantages of the system of tree trade. (Loud opposition cheers.) I remember two years ago I ven tured to maks • statement to the home showing how ex pansive the ?omen of the revamps were. The amount I that stated was so large that assay people, I believe, scarcely believed it, though has. patient's who were agi tating the coaches with • view to the gamin elutios made us of that statement for their owe purpawThey told the mastimmaise that I had said ia tho owe riCcm mons that 91 minims bad been abstracted been the 'amen by free trade, and they required an indemnity is. that lees. (Bear, MM.) Bat what I spoke of was the dames betwsen • year of general scarcity sad • year ef part est I took 1847 as easiest 1849, and showed what as wessnews dlikeeses then we between the prim paid by tbeeenno =tells ihei illose two yew, sod I wised dot int sight_me itr to aosowat l pioved Moto a the ravens. (iteardrar.) I did M a nga emersdist the use which was made of my stational, dly dissk as that when g entlemen ea applied it they earned thensehase to this reply, l' if these 91,000,000 have buss labia from the farness, whit pee it to theta in the hot pleas f " (Load Z ossitieu sheets.) To illastruto the . rdisy which I hips /epos the Ciismall;;;Tiai Xsalisptei is m =sail the adnatage to the eve 5...... is Laval Mae duties es astisies of amesary eamempa Ma, sad redwing the duties is amides of •••••etry pear empties, by ismselog the esmssmiag pewees et the per Se, I 'al ho suss heft la regrew. te Ibis melespielle. Now, I la the spasm et pretends% mid* V i i. pmelseees were se anniess 62 maintain, existed hem lit= spite to 1841—(An Hos. Member: " 1842")-1, that is, while the elidkeg seal. existed. The populism of Leaden, aceseiieg le the most moderate misslellem. is 2,500,000. Pram July, Mk when the Wain seals ass seastekto le he end et 1841, whoa it was 14,787,910 .mums of wheat were admitted, 12:4riri of w se 14 per seat., wen set winkled until the poise semasded 701. pee quarter. NM pee pashas he mheetsives es. per east he tau. The queers Met woad this be Ili; UYam7d. (Rear, hoer.) The esememples of the peptleilisa of Londe& met WM tbs. Ms limners Maws per hied per week- so that the sals , U. per bead pee meek or 11. 18e. per semism, he the whiles peilmielhe, 4,740,0001. as 00 sow :-1.• Leads., where the seasompties le ham in the mantry, the amiss le senemle r ig a. a• ad me per week for brealthet red Ma shoe ; the middle and tipper alums comae NS lees them 60Ib. • se that the average may fairly be JAM u 7 915, The ;eft sugar *Asp to 1845, was 7d., is new M. le id. ; the lest mar that war 10d. and Ild., is sow fad. to 0i; mid pew by ball the essemption of Lends. is leaf sugar. TA* the sagastimom a low average, at bid., the saving is es. N. • heed per year; or, for the whole populatioa, 1„093 7601., the satire esoseased giving above 2611 b. per Lssd. I 'Abe, es • Medlar ealculation ' the gala to Leads& is IM,01111„ ; and on tea, 123,0001., representing • Uhl of 1,730,6101. in Landon alone, there heise ierVemys to also to the country sad to the prie Mr, Mar.) This stows the advaatap Wades leet L the neesseary articles of food , sad tbs. et re disegsL prides et articles of emoadarp omewinptieu. Thai is the advealege of tree trader mewed with pmeseea. New the teem why I wish to this mosis is the is beams the noble earl the het Waken et Ecrows 111 Sot appear to me to be sellkisatly hilermed en the matter. had I my If any ate UM' tam this am titer justifies my moliva. h the speak ofhe ea the Ant misled Ile widn. mil, eel in es that he add mat misessmai fM allhowe barna food end my Ohs Wide. He told as that last year; sad ii Ysties`li 4l4 tr Os prim of food falls, wages must fall lithe a. 'This he has told us this year. . 4. 1C1. waist to show the noble lord that the dlwdsaw between food and other articles is, that food is an solids eff Ant sad necessary consumption, and it depends on the peke of that first necessary how far we eau comma to ether Odium Toe noble turd is occupied wholly wf%b coosideradom of are, and can see no dif ference between the ens and the other. But that is the difference. Boonomically and Boeotian, there is the greatest possible difference between the price of food being low and high, Lamm& es it is that differenoe upon which the power of the people to consume other uncles must always depend. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl terms to think the price of food sa only an influence on the rate of gsad that if the price of food falls the rate of wages wages, sad Now, I can hardly suppose that a man of the noble lord's extraordinary intellect really believes that. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh) I cannot suppose that be , believes that if there is more food in the country the ooltlon of the labouring classes is worse off in proportion. (Chun from the opposition.) I should not like t) offer him such an insult as to suppose so; for, although seek • fallacy might attract the ignorant, I think len intelligent man will be found to say, that the more food the people can command, that is, the I,wer the price, the wane are they off. (lieu, hear.) But the noble earl said this other Milli, that he was afraid, notwithstanding there , hod been an improvonnot in the condition of some interests,' that with regard to the working classes, the con•equence of reducing the price of food war, that wages were lower. Meer, hear.) I consider it, th.refore, important to show, that while lead is lower, the people are able to consume more of other articles, and that the general con,..itiou of the country has improved. I bud:y like to go into details, Ismause I hope now we are generally agreed on this m;.tter, and that whereas those statistics which used to be detailed "bowing that the poop e were better off in proportion as bed was cbeap, are no longer necessary. All parties now is the country are in a prosperous state, and, judging by the amendment, it appears to be admitted by the other side, that that result has been influenced by the price of food. (lieu, hear.) I have had more statements and papers sent to me on this subject than 1 am able to tarry, which I would read to the house if I thought there was any dispute —any difference of opinion—on that point. (Ileac, hear.) These statements, which come from persons in all the towns and all parts of the country, say that there never was known so much prosperity as now exists ; and that such is the result test by whatever means you please—whether, by the amount of labour employed, the amount of cupers,ur the amount of crime and the state of the gaols. Hear ! bear.) Take either or all of those tests, and it wi be found by these statements that the cou dation of the people is better now than it was at any former period. Ido not proceed to read these to the house because I hope we are all agreed on that subject ; and, in the words of the right hon. gentleman's amendment, that that which hasreduced the price of provisions has effectually improved the condition and increased the comforts of the people. (Cheers.) But I want the right hon. gentle. man to go further. Ile appears to have convinced himself that the condition of the working classes has im. proved, but (I do not know why) be coafines the admission' of the improvement to that class. I cannot consent so to confine it. (Hear, hear.) For there is no possibility of be. netting the working classes without that benefit being ex tended to all others. (Loud cheers.) For the same reason, and in the same way, the laws which formerly existed could not injure the working classes without all other classes— every business, every section of the community, participat ing, sooner or later, in the injury. (Hear, hear.) There fore Ido not understand why the right hon. gentleman confined his resolution to the working classes, when it is quite clear that if they consume more, more must be produced, and the manufacturers and producers of all the arti cles that enter into their consumption must necessarily be benefited in proportion. (Hear, bear.) Our foreign trade must be greater for foreigners era allowed to come to our shores without obstruction, and inasmuch as the means of their customers are exhausted in the purchase of food, they have more to expend in other secondary articles, sad the merchant, the trader, and the manufacturer arie all alike benefited by the same cause. (Hear, hear.) It le for this reason that in my resolution I propose the right hon. gentleman shall accept the principle and admit the doc trine that the property and industry of the country will be better able to bear their respective burdens under the prin ciple of free trade than under that of protection. (lieu, hear.) And it is upon this point that 1 am ana , ou to have it understood what is the opi nion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, wh i ch from any thing that has been said I have not yet been able to discover. (Hear.) I want to have his views on these r e e n sr u cti t v h ejor l ln o ci ni rl:ii, the fne pu trade rposes tord.Kirochtec.teitTa—vu(hmeaert).—i-t is certainly one of the purposes for which I have brought forward my resolution. (Hear.) I want to know if lie thinks protection a great good—that it will enable persons to support their burdens; and that free trade is an injury which prevents them from bearing those burdens ? fins proposition bas not yet been disposed of by the right hon. gentleman, anu it is left untouched by the amendment he has put upon the votes. Now my opinion is that protection is an unqualified mischief—(loud opposition cheers)—that it is unjust in principle, vicious in practice, and is peculiarly injurious to the interests intended to be protected. (Loud cheers.) Under these circumstances, if cos can come to an agreement—if the right honourable gentleman would come to the same conclusion, it would be important, because I expect some future legislation will have reference to it. My opinion is, that no com-iensation is needed for the interest that was formerly protected—(hear, hear)—for as regards that interest—l speak not of individuals—it has been served by free trade ; while, under protection, every interest (I don't believe there is en exception) has withered. (Hear, hear.) The experience we have had during the last Ave years had shown the great advantage of setting all in terests free. I feel as much as any man can for the farmers. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) And why, in God's name, should I net? (Hear, hear.) They are a most valua ble clue, • most valuable portion of the middle class—of the producing class of this country, who have invested their capital in the land ; and among that clue there are none who ought more to be respected. (Hear, hear.) Any one who debates on the wants and requirements of the community at large, and omits the farmers, makes an omission of ' those who are as much entitled to consideration as any clam. I sin sure my interests would not lead me so to regard them, end I say so distinctly. I think them a most interesting elase—(hear, and a laugh)—and I think the time has come *ben their interests should be more con sidered in this bowie than they have hitherto been. (Cheers.) I think them a very ill used class. (Cheers, ' and counter sheen.) I can show that their distress has been made capital of-loud cheers)—and that no class has been more deluded. ((Amen.) After rebutting some general argument' in favour of protection duties, the hon. and learned member concluded by saying : I therefore hope that the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer will not attempt to evade this real question by talking of factiousness or by impugniog my re pemonal motives —( cheer,) —bat I hope that he will straightly to the question before the house, and that he will nos sit down without letting as at last know what he does generally mean:, (Loud sheers.) $.llOllllOllB is the mischief which has been done by the omens takes by bon. gentlemen opposite ever since 1846. I know, too what I have read, and also from what I ham seen ea the mettinent of Europe, that abroad people essaerste the hopactesos of the party to which hon. gear tkoset opposite bans ; they tosorisie that Lord Derby doss opressat a stow seeks se do &Wise political cow oranity, and that es tids_qpnellen bo Ms power eventually N mons the policy et Sir Itehort Pool; and it is helot solssises that in - doss butanes, where bodge nations is disposed to abases their own osemorcial pokey, the soorrosset b isinnisd booms iOIIIIIW melt so ssopollsd to Oils ag re l th• for Snell edema st this soa ke d otectionist I. this sentry. (Hose bor.) Coastant mischief W ls still ag disk as it has beim dose, by the agitation and soar des J Imes pestostiseist wad anti-free-trade 4111111 i cod I, thereto', dm say Asa the importance of woo woad ossalative see as this, and which shell be Won se • final &shift of the parlissamat and of the country, tor not be weestatod; sad as kw lf, I will only say that I' bare so motive bat Not which has influenced me dories the fifteen years et Metes in proposing the mohair 'lash I have already roadie the house. (Lond and bag illitesison=teing bees seconded (we did not noise th• ossoisr), and road by the Speaker, Mr. DISRAELI sow. At the moment the house, Boor sat, sallarks, was densely crowded. (Lord Derby was anon So porn present) ; end • movement of intense ersitnennes , lei oneleity was m the right hon. gentleman tub Ids pima at the table. He spoke as follows:—Sir, if the spook we have just listened to with so mock interest— with that interest which we always feel in the oddness. at the hon. and learned member for Wolverhampton—hal been a speech in favour of the repeal of the corn-laws, or in favour of the repeal of the sugar laws, ee these laws existed some time ego, I think that it would have been mach more appropriate than on this occasion it appears to me to H (Cheers and laughter from the ministerial beaches.) Be muse what we have to decide So-night is sot whether the ems laws should be repealed, is not whether the warm laws should be repealed is not whether preludes or free Made, to nee the indefinite language of the lea. sad learned riatkomm, should be repealed or shield be seppeetei—bell ie whether her Majesty's wank. , tees„ le their sense sines their saorosioa to cake, have (alas/ time pledgee* parliament and to the country ..( 61 SO, Me," cheers, and counter cheer)—and having reneomeed that they would defer to the opinion of the county en • subject of great importance, have or have not frankly eessauslested to the hemse the resolution. at which' they had arrived. (Cheers from the ministerialists, and ironical cheers front the opposition.) The b on . an d l earned gentleman hen just told Ls that enormous mischief has bees done to this country by the course which has been taken by the protectiosist party since the year 1848. Well, if "saormoua mischief" has really been dons to the country by the conduct of the protectionist party since 1E46, fat from wishing to escape from the issue before us, I my it is the duty of this Haase of Commons, if that, in deed, he their opiates, to express It, and to announce in a manner which shall not be mistaken that they have not confidence in the men who have perpetrated " enormou mischief." (Great cheering and counter cheering, which lasted eons Nemeth.) That being the charge, I hope that the hoam will allow rite on this occasion to tram, in a dispassionate maser, our conduct Mace the period to which ~.44,rce,t.y,,t,r,14ith:14 the honourable and learned gentleman haTTe7 e -... " . On reviewing their conduct since the repeal of the corn law in 1846, he maintained that it would be found that those same protectionists had never once attempted to ob tain the abrogation of that law. As it was with cor n , so it was with the sugar duties and the navigation laws. The party with which he had acted had opposed the repeal of all those laws; and when they lost the tight, they had de mended inquiry into the working and effects of the di alog ,. which hsd taken place. In this respect they could not be said to have done se much mischief as the wings themselves in their conduct with regard to the sugar duties. Th e pro , tectionist party had but one of in the course they took_ the welfare of the latiouring classes; ai.d it w-s Incase they believed that these clauses generalise er.d one interest in particular, would sutler from mi t . h d e , ,,e gn,, - , c ,ti l .imat they opposed them. The hon. gentleman continued— Well, now, with regard to the first qui &IWO. that as to the land, I have shown to the house that th e party perpetrating all this "enormous nii.chiti," from the moment of the repeal of the corn laws, never attempted to disturb the new law in this house. (ironies! cheers from the free-traders.) I have shown that with respect to the repeal of the sugar laws this party confined its as s rtio n , to obtaining • calm and elaborate iureatigation ; and what tlia consequence of that inquiry, pursued with seal, with energy, and sustained by its with knowledge, was th a t we —in opposition—influenced the conduct of the minister of the day. And therefore, on Altar two heads, I t hi w k t have shown to the house that the accts.:item of the bon , and learned gentleman sgaiust us has uu foulidation whatever. (Cheers.) I nose come to the third branch of the question. We opposed—and, protectionist party — the repeal of the navigaii ee l ow ,. have we attempted ever to abrogate that third decision e g the house ? On the contrary, the present tint minister of the crown took • very early opportunity of saying, alter the change, that that was a change which no I. attempt to reverse—that it was impossib:s to reverse the steps of the country with respect to those laws, after it had decidedly resolved to take that course. Let in. coo. tinue, and trace further the conduct, with respect to ease great questions ' of the party that has perpetr a t e d " coot mous mischie f" in the state; and let me re mind the house of their political aches up t this moment. (Hear, hear.) Not having in any instance attempted to disturb the decision of parliament on thou great questions, circumstances at length arose which called the attention of the parliamentary party to the condition of the cultivators of the soil of this country. When the election of 11117 took place the orgaiii.then of political parties was entirely broken up ; very high prices, owing to peculiar circurastences, were being oh:aim-if; and the opinion of the constituent body w. reali y not i n the least taken upon the principle, the merits, er the possible consequences of the recent legislation, .1 large protectionist party was indeed returned to the Louse, and which was influenced by that feeling that is always ex hibited in great bodies of our couetr)nieu—a recline of sympathy with and gratitude to th i.e who bail fought their battle, and had adhered to their colours. (Irenicil laughter from the opposition.) lion. gentlemen opposite may deride that feeling, but you may rely on it if those feelings aro not upheld parliamentary geverunient will soon disappear with them. (Renewed ironical cheers and laughter.) Every one knows that in the elections of 14/ the economical controversy, so far as agriculture we.. con cerned, was never entered into. The farmers, as 1 have said, were, from peculiar circumstances, obtaining high prices. Political parties were in great cluotieniesition; and as to the large party returned to this boast favoaratile to what is called the agricultural interest, the fact is, that there was no pressure from that interest in any way, or from the cultivators of the soil, to make any sdvance in the house fur their adsanta,re. But in Iftin the pinch, which had Leen foreseen, had not only commincee, but was in acute operation. What, in those circumstances, was the conduct of the protectionist p a rty ? When we were premed by our constituents and by those two iutercsts which were naturally dear to us—when they complained of their great sufferings and of their great losses (and that their sufferings and their hues were great we need not prove, since we have Uwe, ii a ready witness as to the looses of the farmers in the hon. and learned gentleman the mem ber for Wolverhampton)—whin these came to us, what was our course ? Did we come forward and demand Irotection back ? No. (Ironical cheers) We said to these parties, "We opposed the repeal of the corn laws on two grounds—first, and on the most considerable ground, in the interest of labour, and secondly, on the suberd.ca'a ground, of the possible injury the repeal of thirst laws rreerlit do to you. Hut we arc not satisfied that the interedi of labour are injured yet by that change; we cannot, there fore, lend ourselves to your cry and come furward—(ironical cheers, which prevented the speaker from coecluding the sentence). Well, but—(remonstrated the right hon. gett tlemen)—why interrupt ? I think I itCOlpiSo the voioes engaged in these disagreeable ejaculatioas • and I can easily understand that this is the readiest logic oisame meet Bat I do assure some of those lien. members that by far the most convenient way of carry ing en debate in a deli berative auembly is to meet argument by &Nutrient; and let them be sure that if the argument k not sound, and if the statement be not cermet, before this debate is over both will be exposed. (Cheers, and laughter.) I say that our advice to those who com plained to us was this—" We cannot, because an interest is suffering, recommend a return to a protective policy. Nothing can justify a return to a protective policy but that injury to the great and general interests of labour which we believed from the beginning the repeal of the corn lawn would occasion: . And in the course which we took on that occasion I was the humble organ of the party. We said, " If you find that your distress is as acute as we anti cipated that it would be—if you find your sufferings in tolerable—if you find, in fact, that the cost of production is not remunerated by your returns—consider your condition—consider your position in reference to taxation (which must be a large element in the calculation of the cost of production), and if any means can be discovered whereby you can be relieved from burdens which other classes are not subject to, or if by other means equally legitimate fiscal relief can be produced to you, we win do our duty to you in the House of Commons, and attempt to secure you such relief." In pursuance of this advice, and at the request of my friends, 1 made a motion to this house of a remedial nature; and that • motion received, if not the sanction of the house, on doubt, at least, a considerable support. The right hon. gentleman after reviewing the circumstances under which the government took office, proceeded —Lord Derby had made up his mind that nothing could justify a return to the abrogated system e anleas the labouring classes were largely and permanently suffering. That was the determination of Lord Derby in 1851, when he was called on unexpectedly to form a government. Ile had to announce a policy that, while he shod • sympathy with those great classes in the country, the sufferings of which are admitted by hon. gen tlemen opposite, would be consistent with his policy not to repeal those laws. The programme of Lord Derby was one of progress and of conciliation, and how moderate it was will be seen when I revel it to the consideration of the house. In 1851 did Lord Derby come forward and ssy, "We must return to the sliding-scale of 181 G ?" Oa the contrary, he said, " I shall propose as regards the agricul tural interest, now suffering so much, that we should have a countervailing duty, which has been approved of by the highest authirrities on the subject." You say that the agricul tural interest is subject to certain burdens as regards taxation, subject to certain restrictions as regards industry. Why, I open the books of the greatest authorities on rill:ice! eco- nomy, and they tell me that a countervailing duty is the peeper remedy. I know that one of the most distinguished statesmenMille day, the member for Tiverton, speaking of the repeal of the corn laws, regretted that the opportunity had been lest. Well, then, a moderate countereailiig duty was the proposition of Lord Derby in 1811, which would not disturb the settlement of 1846. (Laughter from the opposition, and ministerial cheers.) The policy of Lord se regards the sugar laws ? Did be propose any recurrence to the laws which were repealed in Bite, with the protest, wParpleillrlbinamOthaedianyti'ultuitrbrebeipainstn. e x pl ai ned in i 't n h an e ad co sPea n n d ec u hu ct ni o nn f fo Lo brl rd edPla ir a hl by the bye, of Sir R. Peel ? An that Lord Derby for a time when f f p e o ro re re i rii , d su ir g a between s t b h cm i t t t h , h i ll e bdErrinodtliedndg,uatylabel:tnwiwyeehnichconraidiale a and r the colonial interests were suffering the great trial they were oiag through. And now to the third point. pia Lord Derby propose to re-institute the abrogated t:Ata t hat laws ? On the contrary, Lord Derby only pro p osed marl *" eti rec o u n iTe s w n h ca ich wal the imPwaible, and the i ironed.e W e ll,f thou noble lord sanctions. Lord Derby did not sumeed in forming • government in le sl, end it became therefore necessary to consider his position's respect to these questions, and, after due consideration,. it was his opinion that it would be extremely unwise ande jttrious to bring forward in parliament. in that or any .g t h. e outi the great industrial Sequent session, any motion whichoriid has so long pros ircll ey maintssa: wailed. I have shown the house what has been the course of the protectionist party in parliament with rupeet to those three great measures which are popularly described as the three great measures of free trade, the repeal of the re rolaavw4ltith.onnlaPeweal. of l li th av e e su s g ho ar e d n u t t o iel th the moment those three measures were carried we never is were suf. settlement; bat in sympathising with those who feriag out of the house we brought forward measures _ any way whatever attempted in this house to disturb that neeted with them which were of a remedial character, ba t he conduct which is no way disturbed or challenged the principle ea which those laws were passed. Now, what was t O w r ith ear aPec her I would to th o se e an h d ou t w he th re a p t cal frof d least blued to terminate th e course of a ministry who at the d as shall show to the house that those sections perpetrate newere pi pl r e l dg itm ed ent t . o in b w ri h rig ich f e o v r e w ry ar th el ingthiesirtontweaeduerescideidnith the A s o u f bj th ec e ts u o n f ik t d e sec grea ttioni: party b li f v o e m eent- ii., enormous ehtierij N m o isc w, hi s e i f r. as l w w e iu di tak d o e urse the lves fo . Sir Robert Peel. They if we look to their great experience and their great a i b n ility, they mat always be looked at with great respect • this Mermibly. Far be it from me to misinterpret or meo w filar eenduct I will not examine the pages of nee a te see how many of the followers of that eminent pereonsile meted in favour of motions of a reini,lial character- I will treat them with fairness, and 1 am ea.' Wens I take as their representative one whom they en may not be oomelrolo(.l;:us.ubduotmf:trthiett riire: hardly hesitate in acknowledging their principal orator. ! hake that distinguished statesman and accomplished d e b a t er .. the member for the University of Oxford. Now , to th e i ttl humble representative of the party which was perpe enormous mischief for the last five years, let me sec what . the cultivators of the soil were most severe a S of lime don man. that I h aa brought not rerori received forward motion when e t i h i a t t h "t e s; ta a INlMllliti fig e rard e of a th m e o w t h an ole u h k o ing use th i e nt h o ou t w he n i l 111111111111111101 that body. 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