The Express. — London, England, 1851-06-13 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P. HOWIE OF COMIONE.—TIMISDAT. JUNE 12. Tao 111.11•111 OA the dada at 10 mimeos to 4 o'eloak. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SOUTH WALES RAILWAY (No. 2) BILL. The Lode osossobosats to this 6M won ourolionti sod to. Wri I IIRFORD AND LIMERICK RAILWAY BILL. TWO bin so rood s thinl Mato uS BILLS CONED Willibe=r4SlZlP/Ameimakell aa. W lloin °imams Troomoo' Roises (No. 1); llosopois out Ames Psis*" T Es.; Noweelospos•Troat Itoprosolosat Marbst; Trinity Collor MOW ; sod Wrosboa larpooonoust. caimans ROUITAL ESTATE BILL. This bill was wads moot lino. PUBLIC DUENESS. NEW 11/1111B1R. 14e. HALLOWILL, the sotyfroloosodi amillar Num boob tbo sobs sod to. soot far that COURT CRAN b = Lard I. RUSSELL po OF o mein Dabs wadi *mow r i nsCrie lig losproolop ei 116. 4 1 =1ts Loa tiar if ll los is th• Olost of Obonoury sat Ilmt Jadisiol Canal* of Pair! Oise& ATLISBURT ELECTION. SO F. TIMMS odd Oat we doe op tee pinions WO ohms* Is Ole dodos bed boo sallosed s. • seise ossolillek sot ON rho. Om Mr. Mort bed opined to Or Own of gem% sod olosised • offs lbe proctor. Otis /kW* iter what was esedebed • Mr. The proprietor. of is pp r is fossils& aser nosind proistioa of Ow bow 1. Oak Oa slierbbod sMerestm.isorder le volt by elldseit Os *videos. Ulm by tee ousais shoo ; owl be rod Oat riot rani* des be rested Agreed to. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord J. RUSSELL me notice that he would move to morrow that after the Sest of July orders of the day hare procedeme of &otiose of notions on Thursdays. BORNEO.. Lord J. RUSSELL aferna;;;;Otice that he would make some srrangenieet to-morrow whereby the hon. member for Montrose would be enabled to brine on his motion re. electing Borneo. THE RIOTS IN KILKENNY. In re , Vy to Mr. G. Ilastiaron ' Sir W. SOMKKVILLE said that police report" had Inen received from Kilkenny giving an account of an out break. It appeared that on the 26th of May the windows of v•veral of the inhabitants who had signed a petition ageing papal aggression. were broken by a mob of pee wee. One serous stated that 400 person. were in the snob. and another that the mob was priacipally composed of eiildree, little boys, and girls. (A laugh.) The attack slimmed to have been preconeerted, but there was a dal e-any in identifying the rioters. The police had, hurr ay identified one of the ringleaders, who was 1p Id to bail to appear at the 001003111. The lames of other rioters were known, and they were also summoned to appear. A meeting of the inhabitants sad the ommeation had been held to put an end to pro ew ding.. so disgraceful, sad every precaution bad been Mken to preserve the peace. No account had so yet reached the government of the proceedings of the magntr ten at petty mmions, bet when any wa received he would com municate it to the house. NAVIGATION OF THE BLACK WATER. In reply to Mr. A . Sir F. BAKING said it was quite true that Capt. Fearer reported that interruptions existed in this river, hut he was not quite se sate that the captain bad reported these inter •uptions to be illegal. The Admiralty had no pswrrs to linterkee, except those possessed by a private individual; and if any private party felt himself aggrieved, he could take the necessary measures to remove the obstruction. TUB HOUSE TAX. ihr tts L. EviiiB a;il;l7•li7riiie substitution of a house tax for the window tel would be proposed by means of bill or The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that a hill had been already introdaerd upon the subject, On woad reading of which would come on on Monday. ha. DE L. EVANS asked whether it would be compe tent for him on Monday to take the sense oldie house re specting the propriety of repealing the duty on carriages? Tb! CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied ghat it would net, inammeh as the bill had exclusive refer ence to bowers. 'AN WATER har 0. HST mid that the appointment of this coot "Witte was in the hands of a committee of selection, over which he would not exercise any coutml. WOODS AND FORESTS BILL. In reply Lord SEYMOUR said that he would not proceed that evening with this ►ll, bat that he would name a day for OW pompon on Monday. In r•ply to Sir B. Usu., sir G. GitHY mid he would inquire whether the rate payers of the metropolis could be heard before the erien mance on the bib. The quention depended entirely on the rules and regulations of the house. TIIII KAFFIR VOTE. She CHANciaiiiilti;EiiiiliQUEß, in order to prevent mistake, wished to state tkat he had given no tice before Whitsuntide that he would take the Kaffir vote to-morrow night la the committee of supply. Mr. W. WILLIAMS asked whether the Kaffir vote would mine ea ant to-morrow - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that dhr /rat vote in committee of supply to-morrow would be ' that for the Kant war. (Hear, hear.) M.MANUS, O'DOIIERTY, AND O'DONOIIUE. Oa the order of the day being read for going into cow emitter of supply, Mr. C. ANSTBY moved, m an amendment, a resolution condemnatory of the conduct of Sir William Dimino, lieu tenant governor of Van Diemen', Land, in the matter of the revocation of the tickets of leave lately held by Messrs. O'Dolierty, and O'Dosiehue, The hon. and Monied sthatleman colorist into the circumstances under which the tickets of leave had hum withdrawn, and which as. already known to the public, and contended at tome length that the conduct of Sir William Denison was ex tremely arbitrary and harsh towards these individual,. Sir O. GREY" said he bad no °Mend informetion what ever on the subject, and under these circumstances he felt Convinced the house would not consent to peas a vote of reason. against Sir Wm. Denison, who would, he had no doubt, satisfactorily explain the part he h ad taken in these transactions, and the principles by which his conduct was guided. Mr. HUME hoped Mr. Ansley would withdraw his mo lion, and call for the prodection of the official documents in Reference to the matter in question. Colonel DUNNE also hoped the motion would be with drawn, though willing to admit that in the ease as it was stand there did appear to be considerable harshness prac- E.n..1 towards throe gentlemen. Bir L. O'BRIEN complained of the dismissal of the go vernor of Maria Island by Sir Wm. Denims. owing to the attempt made by his brother (Mr. W. S. O'Brien) to effect au escape. Mm ANSTEY would withdraw the motion, and on another il,sy would move for the papers required, and which Sir W. Denison ought to have already forwarded. The motion was then negatived con.ent. SUPPLY.—NAVY The Speaker than left the Wan, and the house resolved itself hoe seas ire of Sir F MAIM° smo the bat vote, which was of 715,6171. half-pay sad retiemseat M sicers of the navy and Royal Marines. Mr. NUMB regretted tint he had Wes a little two late, and was set able sow to Mai _es Ws self= of whisk he lad giresentlemert which weebilbsvewaii sespsemas maw lion of the eatiskialloweeno to ails% lominied is this rote. lie hod asposiod that %shoe psysikay this sup the right hors. perdenna Weal law web a digenest as to this point, mid his mum In the deny whisk the Ad miralty_ haill pm* leplel. Sir F. 111111110 simmeniod that it wadi In windy eonipstint he his bee. hims e d a l i t b estesmandi a sense ohne*. no the when of the Is were • wheelies to Ms Mint et the mapplonantssy wets. lt was set intended is aeon the manse et . (Hew, bear.) Thus oaken wan were to be rewssel be. the waive list weld still continue to melee the arse pay an the erne In is an the other. le point of in..., they wand in Set be better Of than amiss the plea ilannedy propemed. And with to toted', they wand sestins to Aso smindiag to Weis seniority. nee wee vas der point wIMi should not be lost sight of—that was that with regard to Misers placed on the retired list, though there was of coarse no prospect of their services Wig required doing peace, yet power wee normal to the emersi is .employ them In time of war with their own ersea6 He wished to abstain from renweim thle woraidss with refe rence to individual esew-it wok' be bnidlesis to do so. (Hear, hear.) Bat be Neil sown the beam that there were as many °Seem of high wok WIND woad be te nioved from the active list by the taw Sist as wouldremain. (War, hear.) He WOW an that there were cum that would read like baseihip, there were many questions to be inquired into %saw th ey mold arrive at the - actual circumstance, with indleless asearaey to enable them to pronounce a judgment. Is the some of Vie last rear-admiral made, that Ulcer had hew ea the active service list (or thirty-five years, during the Aide of which he had not been in active employment. Audit .seated to him (Sir F. Baring) that whatever the previous lonises of that alter might have been se a subordinate, it weal be a very doubtful pniemding to place him at °am in esw owed of a Beet (Hear, hear.) There were Mass sane so doubt in which the parties had mewed pin of the remenAl time, but were they roe ant they might not have served the whets limo were it see that their own tolimilislise Or other laths Wooed them to avoid active sorvies ? On the other bead he was not disposed to Amy that there were ems' where the wdas had been wlnan and anxious to mow, but bed been usable to canals employ meat. (Chem.) Smithey sheet& remember that that was I precisely the hardship be was um seeking to eon he the future. (Hew.) At ~pneet, drew the great masher of officers, it wail to *lithe captains their far share of imbermmt east in I=lll pawn system continued. se Pint Lied Min vibidows wimp be his pawns and istestimw smell so asenes lane. sesslest_wineywest to • Ilmt Oda elimethe sapt NU= Wes& sink einem &NM be Awed to leho hit shown etymon's% wie Meuse, like Ws aptains isoliail of placing • maga alwefteititt, the MO, rWrIfILLMINO ed. m wm t. a irkeu s iag the 1144 eighbe ea the Aloha l e V ;le he beam AM Om sedge me= to Mr. W. WI of Om right Ikea. hestmet • reetkel one bat halitosis. , meat had theetradme dale albwa sektw of it eoledesirrw. The Amp ethAlet. sew per parlimemey out ha saw ameemmill, he._ wee gullepteci to vele, m it imuldleullesegeodyrobeihmof be thought Mhos they wood to it they ilks all =se ass loserity. either by aa enter is meileil or • omoluiliei et the hawse, that the ultimo would be eeetioil MeMe L I VITAMS observed that seam! amid *Moen W emmliaul to his of parte of the premed plea. The AMA May Atheitelly wee eventual eemeety, aM to pro ' mete m he se mile ganef as wee m emend elltiesty. (Meer. boar.) Det he woo ishmeett this fhb mime wm MOM with • previtioa width was tut aserimmy Mast is mgmedis mosomy er elheimey. The tight her. haromet hoe Mated that hied bum imemible he the Admlnity to lied empliguesst kr the white of Om whe now hid the ashes he the lite eepelMlL Wee it me , tbllt as essellig NM them. "Dens e we maid net ampler pea Ira" ibmehre we wM not employ yes betwafts"l (Meer.) Be treMsh dm, is *doe to maw aimaileg end eMcient 'Navel Whom, tile part of the mhos* would be vseemidered. Cattail PICIIJILL Mum& that Amiens could not be carried est is the stile' mime it hoe carried °Mat ease.biles" ef with k wee mid dm retired li st wash ea rn . he dot doesetweeld be 15,1801. ; and he mid thew, it he lad doe, low the aeon meld be raised withoat shim we Avila to the hardens of the country. There me deal, be many eves of individual hard ship, and lebepeh that semething weskit be done for the gallant oaken whin the lien. gentlemen mratiened. hr. 8. ligltilliitit mid it was with ppesartt plower' he beard that tb right her. Wend lei mmdttmlta le ggnnpp - with Mie emealitil hot he theught it the right . =wend bestow mere time epee it bepre will ro sem% lopeemementa in thighs lobed peesd. int With sespeet to the peril prowled et plate. the admirals who lilt met foiled six years of the NO mod asking a retied lit of dila, he did Nil see the eamilege of it. It =ItM Wm a matter of doe, Wm dry took from ellidladily of emnamol. At prat they were eilmile for weaned. He deraght it a headship to them is say they shield Ile lodger le Wgible. F. T. BARING explained that what he said was that be *eight it might be MADAM, bet with regard to the admirals, and more especially with regard to subordinate ellenes, that in ease of war the crown might bare the pewee of replacing them on the active list with their own eament. Mr. 8. HERBERT mid that was in cue of war, big it did eat give them it in time of peace. He was not one of those who stood up for individuals as against the good of the *orrice. But in this case they did not get • man younger up. If they looked to the number of officers who were entitled to their flag they would find that in the first instance, so far from diminishing them, they de cidedly, increased them. There were now 110 active ow.. s, end 40 inactive o ffi cers on the list. They were going to buy up 10 by giving them pensions of 1501. • year. Then they were to be promoted from the captains' list by seniority, and each officer who was promoted would carry to the inactive list more of his own standing. When the list was tilled up to 100 of active officers, and of SO inac tive, there were, say five captains; the four seniors, who had not served sic years, were not entitled to an active flag ; the fifth, who had served, would go on the Admiralty list and he would carry up the four with him, There were man in that condition; out of the tint 100 the number wee o f, and out of the second 84, and therefore, instead of having • decrease of the inactive list, they were likely to have an increase. He thought that where no clear and decided advantage was to be gained to the public service the rights of individuals ought to be respected, and, in this instance, he could not see any advantage in separating them beyond its being made clear on the face of the navy list those who could not serve; and that was precisely what these officers com plained of. lie thought it was worthy of consideration whether they could not allow tic exating officers to die off. He did not understand whether at present the Admiralty considered that officers retiring from the active list on to the retired list made vacancies which enabled them to promote ono in three to the admiral's list ? Sir F. T. BARING—Yes, owe in three. Mr. HERBERT said because in his proposal he proposed to reduce the captains on the active list to 400, and to have a retired list of 300. Ho hoped that some intimation would be given sa to the numbers to which the retirement would be extended—a point at which the retirement list should be closed. The system of promotion in the navy, which was considered as one in three, was in fact, and practically, one in two. In the army, the promotion RIO one in three, vir tually ; but in the navy, if 27 captains died off, 18 promo tions would be produced, and that was one in two, rather than one in three. The right honourable gentleman concluded by expressing a hope that the suggestions he had made would receive the consideration of the right hon. gentlemen. Sir G. TYLER thought that the placing on the inactive list those officers who might not have served all their time, was an act of injustice ; and, indeed, he could scarcely con ceive • greater injustice to the profession than that. But if they wished to reduce the list of the captains, there were ways of doing so without committing that injustice. It might be dune by giving to the officers who were willing to retire on a retiring half-pa at least the option of retiring. He would urge upon the Lords of the Admiralty the pro priety of re- considering the proposition that was now laid before the committee, for he was Burs that alter what had fallen from several members, and the suggestions that had been made, the Admiralty could so amend the plan as to render it more palatable and more congenial to those officers in the service who would be affected by it. Sir F. BARING was not unaware that he should be met from all quartens with sdasiseitee of the evil sad com pliments apse h biped_ beemtiens ; but at the mai time with the utmost iMeelinedest to pre ass be that would really abet • metals deft which monde ai teat. Ta rt =boas had hem made, and he bad been told to the lee that, roma ea ho schema. esaidderatles, heshoul while d be able et se smasepl lbes this hod le h tor ese said be had nag lewd heat any cm; of these la immtlentee emy prepaid which they disekOt would bare a wed fist_ The principle wee this —that the list wield be !edema is omen messurate with the wants of the mmise,, sad >Be that purpose those Miens would be marred been the of list who, sorterlieg to the cress of the sortie% or from other eirmuneffistam were set able to he asnMeyed. According to the plea. what was done with the com manders? Those who lnd not nerved for 20 years were put on the list of the semis half-pay as they now wore, and reserving to them all the MOO they _wma have beam en titled to if they had remeined es taßley en the active list, and le them elm the Wrher reek what they mine to it. No enespisied of or eltleseed te this ; but he could tell thus that the grievant meet maturlally existed smog that siege of Misers who appkd hr orrice and were net able te eblde It. No see sempiained of putting them epee bell-pay. Het the asemesst the posi tion of the allesse Whs.., to the higher chows was touched the thombliip &Sand to be pennants" and every sort of diffselly mid abisotion wan thrown in the way. Now, he would net essmse to deal with ono clam of officers in one way and with anedier slam in another way. (Hear, hear.) There wee the asse of Admiral Watts, who had been 34 TTY • espial., mil daring those 94 ears Capk Watts had new semed. e. Hear, hear, y " and some laughter.) Did the has. emd gallant officer expect after a captain bad paused • peeled of 34 years, during which he had never been alleatomy Admiralty weld think of send ing him out in emosessil et • Stet (Hem) Sir DE L. EVANS observed that the anew complained that the right leek pandeme•pahlblied to the world that he had never been emplimed by having been placed is the yellow list. Sir F. BARlNG—Whether it was published or not the fact was perfectly well known—it was notorious. lie MS every sympathy with Allem who sight service end meld not obtain it. But he did net nib to rest lido =lbw mem personal cases at all. (Her, leer.) Dot when yemmelaree were quoted against him asdeem et hardship le we OW polled to emement upon them; sod le was Nimes of swingthee there had besa miry ewes of Mien who bed most anzions to Nene, smil lied asnoteatly applied he mirismenst. which they had been male to obtain. Thum eke had teem the most hardly dealt with were not the Crwho bpi semplained the hardest. He believed that he weebl week well. In regard to the retirement 14 the aremesmeet was to keep it open within the Emil of Ile men • milmtion took place ; and he could harm the debt her. gentleman who had made a remark apse premien without retirement, that there had been no pee- Roden he that list. He did not intend that retirement should count ha premelim anti the list came to the deed number. Then wee no meal*? calamity to the navy them to have an megrims Dee of Misers who bad not seen service. (Hear.) Mr. MACGREGOR said ho ceeddered the to be of very great impselmese. What woe felled the active list comprised as fewer them 140 effehil besides vice and leer Oath* 1,210 231 mestere abegedme there were I, l l l Meers at the list, entries et mead Mhos net ee the 11M This ought not to be WWI an maim PM It should betlianed down, reserving the softie* primemise of comemehee and lieutenants. By the plea prepesoll by the kasha?, the officers would be pieced in a better position thee they now enjoyed. There was no immediate economy; the plan would merely operate to prevent the inamese of the moos efficient fusee. desk ea mire lit se ems mem be Meshed at by every lieueley Ise fferiema. was the Praia eery eland I They had l admirals. 10 vise-adminsh, 20 not eilmirele—al is all : all the ethos nose pensismed eig arm is Ile employed male. They peemehml ante • Ike of MO mods" who ranked as sepleans et et d yne these mew supplied hem MS eepleim of ftesse. ma• she mat et OM beetemets. These wee wing hem 600 milk me by seniority, but make), with seamen le merit' sad spin they fell back apse an entels, tan mein kept at the naval schools, on • model, semeffien V= at Woolwich. In all timeworn 1,9 U earn it he navy, including m theta at the the maim immab. The ima in Mho* Domoss I tad in imam the helm et At only the to. member Sw was im mush lasenso feelmniis. The enlyeemtry hat kept up s l arge ass imesw estabilehemat Mr. CORRY mid he• sherd& peed* teem the active ad mirals list se deed Is 160: bet, tt the meamillem were only to he made he the ratio propertied omen throe mew rim he thee& the Bien the government would be the best. d Colonel S Alan , • fliw weeds hem Re F. Baring, Mr. S. Herbert, anIMINsp, EXPRESS, FRIDAY itreitzto, JUNE 13, 1851. THE Mr with hare the ME sigh* ebesiderei tie wire in • • • great , aw ; t is the right mode. j,,_ ' • now instead of one ? All the r " a arose wsg'be whist; now ores note that it we be T w illor UN *Waver any 01 poissi - ib as t i = peo t t l im ital; st e ap th i e rere takes 01 1 1,9w2M114 serried late West, It weeld aet to of advantage to gsp= Or if the the MilairaltYp ffifth m tali& tit have the OM at Writes, amaleimi, the whole salaelea would be effinhai. Feeblest no primeness ware stepped. Tr order wee—" ham Ibis date, an ponsotles, allaWS special helllisat sundial. Makin made ia may atesuma alieeel. Strineem. eleept la ths t* edam Families he verL imply dhmleml ... as emeseteles. whisi t ether eessson Why erode kaiak' net thee 411111 . 7 r ibe muted oat ' ? Why sheabl It be set aide by a palmation a 0 now carried ea ? It bad hese &nu by the rda s el s t a te se crilemeatary 11 8111111101•11 MS, that she. en the St, MS hod .over serval sae day ; 190 had marred Ism them In years ; 92 betwesa live and ten reap, mid 1111 Uterus 10 and 18 years. (Hear, hear.) In Oa not afsamradaes. the pirmorneme ware mach the mate Oat at semmeadies. 4 1 22 bed aim awed me day . , Ha (Kr. Hoe) threght thatiOmbeleals were sullehat ; Weald have se mere premelles tin they wen rehased %that lumber. Preeselha ought weer Mgesaheyeed the Imhof the service, and 'beelike ably amazed is time if war. The twe now saw the evil, and was anxious to apply a with as little Wary as possible to the sneers eon- C ' e= 7 ; K but why not Tema to the plea eahreed is ? Admiral OODON sesenered is the dierrelay abasing any plan which should net he peilastive of hirable to some individuals. He knew of no better priaelple than that of extensive retirement during the time of pew'. After a few words from Sir D. 1.. EVANS and Sir G. Pa nama., Mr. COBDEN thought it was understood when the com mittee was appointed that reduction, not increase, of expen diture, in the navy was contemplated. The report of that committee, which he held in his hand, referred to the sub ject of the reduction of the number of admirals and com manders, and to the policy of promoting . only one captain to the rank of admiral on three vacancies in the list of admirals. He had heard no good or sufficient reason why that suggestion was not acted upon. (Hear, hear.) A similar recommendation was made in 1930, but there seemed some insuperable objection to adopting it. He admitted there was great difficulty in dealing with the claims of officers who were in the service, and who, by rte. son of that service, expected to derive advantages. (Hear, hear.) But the proposition then before the committee was to increase the charge by 6,5001. per annum ; so that it was clear, if any benefit was to be derived to the country by economy, it would be prospective. (Hear, hear.) Whilst he was not prepared to offer any opposition to the vote claimed by the right hon. gentleman (Sir F. T. Baring), yet he wished to stipulate that, in future, they should have all the advantages to be derived from the system. (Hear, hear.) In his opinion, the time was fast approaching when the public would regard this question very differently from the light in which they at present viewed it. If per sons entered the navy, without there beingservice for them, the same rule would before lung be applied to them as to parties in the civil service; and if the services of such gentlemen wore not needed iu the navy, the public, he thought, would not consent to pay thorn in any way, either on half-pay or otherwise. (Hear.) Therefore, in justice to dune young men who were about to enter as cadets, as well as to the public, the Board of Admiralty should adopt eons measure to restrict their admission to the naval ser vice. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Sir W. Jottirre and Sir F. T. Baal/fO, The vote was agreed to. On the vote of 843,1931. to defray the expenses of naval stores, building and repairs of fleet, and steam machinery, Mr. HUME begged to move that the sum be reduced . by one-third. It appeared to him that the time had come when it was necessary to effect a reduction in this depart. ment. The gross estimate fur naval storm in the year '4B-'49 was only 1,511,0001.; fur '40.'41 it did notexceed 1,000,0001., whilst in 1833 it was only about half a million. At pre sent they had a larger number of vessels thus in the time of Buonaparte, and such times, he was glad to say, were not likely to occur again. They hail a large number of vessels in ordinary ; and it seemed to him a great waste of the public money to expend it in building ships and then allowing them to rot in dock. (Hear.) Why should they have more ships than they could man ? Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that some step should be taken to put • stop to the wasteful expenditure in the dock (ear,yardsH hear.) Mr. fRELAWNY said there might be considerable economy in respect to the recommissioning of ships. The standing rigging of a ship out of commission would stand in 'many cases from 12 to 14 years; but it was taken down and cut up as so much waste, though a merchant would give a good price for it. He had been told by sailors that their hair had stood on end when they had seen good rope thrown away. (Laughter.) Admiral BERKELEY said that this attack with regard to the number of ships which composed her Majesty's navy had been so frequent that he had very little to add to what he had already said on the subject . It was clear that if they were unfortunately involved in war they must have at least four or Live and twenty sail of the line in the Mediterranean, and the same number in the Channel ; and he thought the committee would agree with him that the present number of ships was not more than would be wanted if such 'nevi' as war arose. The total number of ships of the line now amounted to 70. Of that number as many as 12 or 14 were small seventy-fours, left from the last war, which could not be considered fit to cope with the ships of other nations of a superior clan. It was not their (the Admiralty's) fault that they had these ships; they had been kept through a long protracted war, whilst the ships of other nations had been destroyed and new ones built to supply their place. Looking at the force of nations close to our own shore, he thought the committee would say that there was not one ship too many. It was true that there were twenty soil of the line building, but it was not intended that any of them should be launched at present, except one constructed with a screw propeller. The principle of the propeller being new in its application to ships of war, it was thought de sirable that a vessel should be launched fur the purpose of ascertaining how it would act. (Hear.) A great deal bad been said about the large sum expended in building these ships ; but, in point of fact, one fourth went in building and the remainder in repairs. Mr. MACGREGOR said the speech made by the gallant admiral was as superannuated in its character as any speeeh he had ever heard. He (Mr. Macgregor) admitted t ha t it was of the first importance that this country should be able to defend itself against any, ho would almost say, pos sible attack ; but he contended that it was at that moment in a position to defy the united navies of the whole world. (Hear, hear.) Now, what was the condition of the British navy ? The gallant admiral had told them that they had 70 ships of the line, and that some of those were the old seventy.fours. Now, of what did the British navy consist ? There were 12 ships of the line, 11 of 120 guns, 1 of 110, 50 of 104, 4 of 92, 2 of 90, 11 of 84, 9 of 80, 7 of 78, 18 of 72, 2 of 70, being 70 of the lino and 13 on the stocks and nearly finished, which gave a total of 83 sailing ships of the line. Of frigates afloat there were 25 of .50 guns, 10 of 44, 22 of 42, 4 of 50, 1 of 38, 1 of 36; total, 63 frigates afloat. On the stocks there were 2 double-banked 60-gun frigates, equal to ships of the line, and 6 of 50—making altogether 71 frigates, 65 of which would be found far mote than sufficient to destroy the whole Russian fleet. Besides the foregoing they have 21 covettes of 21 to 28 gun, 8 of 18 to 22, 18 sloops of war from 14 to 18, 50 brigs of 6 to 16, 11 sailing packets, be stsites surveying ships, troop ships, yachts, and tenders. Their steam fleet also was numerous, but it had he feared been built with a rapidity which would render many of the ships obsolete when taxed by a comparison with other steam ships and by naval tactics. There were, however, a number of steam ships belonging to different private companies, of sufficient sin and tonnage to cope with all the steam ships belonging to the continent of Europe. He said that fear lessly. They had altogether 147 steam ships, and 4 of them were formerly 76-gun ships, and now had engines of 450 horse power. Exclusive of the Royal Navy there was the general commercial steam navy of thiscountry available, if necessary, for war purposes. There was the General Steam Navigation Company, with its vessels perpetually in the Channel which would prevent this country from ever being surpri sed, as they plied to and from almost every im portant port on the continent. There were also 10 splendid ships belonging to the West India Mail-Packet Company. As regarded the Canard line of ships, he believed there was no officer of the navy who had examined them who was not of opinion that they would be u efficient for war pur poses a for those to which they were applied. The ships of the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company might be used either in the British Channel or in the Mediterranean. The ships of the Royal Navy combined with those of the mercantile navy, were, he believed, more formidable than the other navies of the world combined, and the apprehension of war was one to which this country could not give credit- Now, what was the state of other navies ? He would begin with that of Russia. The nay of Russia had always been a great bugbear, and admirals had published letters placing it in that light. (Hear, hear.) The Russian navy was exceedingly formidable on paper; but hon. gentlemen forgot that the porta of Russia were froxen up for nearly half the year, and that English, French, and Dutch naval ' officers who had visited them declared that the Russian ' ships were the least efficient war-vessels in the world. In the Russian navy there were 4 ships of the line rated at 120 guns, but Sir William Symonds tho u ght th at t h ey were ra ted much higher than they ought to be. Of three 1 was in the Baltic and 3 were in the Black Sea. There were 6 of 110 guns, 3 in the Baltic, and 3 in the Sarah bta ; 16 of 84 glans in the Baltic ; 19 of 74 guns, 12 in Its Babb, aad 7 in the Black Sea • 48 frigates of 44 and 60 gem 111. the Baltic, and 18 in the Black Seat about 60 Beaton vessels ; 22 steamboat* is all, greaten& mull (about hair of which were built in England) ; atheirele, three. berths of whom had never been alTh_and many of whom, Wig Menke.. held emmmiselene le give them reek ; IT emplane ef the Arm dem; 11 - 17• The seism& ; and 211 Nsfailemete. The number et tens decreed by ukase for the Ma MS Ina a u. tatilln, hut at bast 40,000 of this number he& net been tat is the ma, and, according to his R the elrseeMt7l estantilk skill and less nautical aperiusa r MI even the seams en heard the Russian ships wars sanmaareed as destitute of maritime knowledge, and unsay without experiment In the art of gummy. The next formidable fleet woe that of France, and he ad- 1 , matted that comparatively it was a formidable fleet. It t am th he e ° lin: h e ted e LlO W ) o . 2 i so l6 the s f h Z, t. l o O f line , thof e the 2n rl, lls ls is o ting f the 3rd, an a d iPs s of (15 of the Ist, 20 of the 2nd, and 16 of the MO, 40 corvettes (20 of the let, m 420 of the 2nd), HI of 601Itons, and 30 tenders ; 102 seism skips, 10 Sign of from 450 to 800 horse power, Weervettes from XV to 300 horse power, 30 mitten from 160 to 200 horsepower, 20 mitten 120 home power and upwards ; told, 226 ships edthelhas sad 102 steam ships, 328. The preceding Is the slimier of *hips of war, ineladleg steam shim which was decreed 's constitute the French navy by the ordiaance of the 22ed November, 1846; bat the whole number are not yet completed. By the mmenneement of the marine dm emirate; it appears that 1a the 1&50, the Preach go imminent w7 efl Epased irry in commission 23 ships If the line, 31 tee, 96 earteller, 47 brigs, and that other. win y ready in the dockyards and in the porta. The Mel stipend here for the French navy, including that of die mod amounted to 4,257,9761. The navy ef Iteds 2 ships of the line of 74, 6 friperd CI WU, lof 44._ 2of 42, 1 of 32 guns), cor vettes., CIO 80, lof 24, of 16 mins) 8 brigs (1 of 20, 1 el 111. 11 of 18, 3 of 12), 15 steamers, from 40 to 330- hares row, carrying 6 to 12 guns, galleys from 1 to 3 rivilkeineretTrounport boats of shia gun le- eat tei h p , te l , imgre 4 brigs . shim 7 sleam-ships, 140-horse power, 3 transport ships, 3 feloca guard c A an p6l d 3 bra. The navy tocarryl of po 6guns,rtweegwa n orderedcosited of 2 pa o to be ships in f 80 as, 6 frigates of 50, lof 54, 8 corvettes, from 20 to 24,11 bely of 10 to 20, 7 schooners, 2 steam-ships. The naval eleength of Sardinia was-frigates 4, corvettes 4, brigantines I, brigs 1, steamers 6, &c., in all 60 ships of war, carafes 900 guns. The force consisted of 2,860, including. ennasander•in-chief 1, admirals 2, captains of daps 7. s at s ains of frigates 8. The navy of the awe was composed of 1 ship of 80 guns, 5 'frigenis, 60 and 44, I corvette of 22, bomb ship, 2 • 6 brigantine et 20, 2 galleys of 14 ; total, 481 guns. 6 steam chips of 1/011.6orse power, 2 carrying mortars and 4 cannon; 1 etesinee of 6 guns, 1 of 180-horse power, 1 of 120, 2 of 50-hose pewee, 1 of 40-horse power, 2 of 300 horse power (in building). Officers 113, surgeons 76, pilob 100, shipwrights 12, total, 301 ; marine constables 3,468, marines 1,650, labourers 70, mechanics 21, tele- I graphists 150. The navy of Greece consisted of 2 corvettes I of 26 guns each, 2 steamers of from 1 to 6, 1 packet boat, 3 brigs of 12 guns, 10 of 2 guns, 7 schooners from 2 to 10 guns 2of 6 guns, 1 of 2 guns, J cutters from 2to 4 guns, 1 yacht, 12 sloops with a total of 22 guns, 2 barques of 2 guns each. The Turkish navy consisted of 2 skips of the line of 120 guns, 2of 100 gam, 3of 90, 1 of 81, 1 of 80, I frigate of 56 guns 1 of 44, 3or 4 sloops, 4or 6 steamers. The navy of Sweden was 10 ships, 8 frigates, 8 brigs and corvettes, 6 schooners, 8 mortar boats, 22 transports, 256 gun boats, &c., 12 steamers; total, 330. The navy of Norway amounted to 2 frigates, 3 corvette., 1 brig, 5 schooners 4 steamers, 4 steam packets, 132 gun boats, 5,000 seamen from 16 to 30 years of age. The Danish navy consisted of 5 ships of the line of 84, 1 of 66, 2 frigates of 48, 3 of 46, 2 of 40, 1 corvette of 26, 4 of 20, 2 brigs of 16, 2 of 12, 1 schooner of 8, 2 of 6, 1 cutter of 6, 1 of 4,2 of 2 ; total, 29 ships, 996 guns, 18 mortar boats, 15 mortar barques, 41 gunboats, 4 gunships, 4 steamers. Hol land, considering its resource++, possessed a considerable fleet. It bad 2 first class of 84 guns, 5 second of 74, 3 frigates of 60 and 54, 12 of 44 and 38, 2 of 28, 12 corvettes of 28 and 26, 3 of 22 and 20, 17 brigs and pscketsbips of 18, 14, and 12, 24 galleys of 14 and 3, 1 corvette for naval instruc tion, 7 first class steamb ets, 7 second, 4 third class, 1 ad miral, 3 vice-admirals, 20 captains of the line, 31 captains of frigates, 2 92 lieutenants, 139 midshipmen, 85 medical officers, 60 administrative officers, 5,692 men and boys, 1,521 manes, and 400 seamen at Java, East Indies. Such was the gate of the whole naval force of Europe, and it showed how weak all ether powers were when compared with the naval strength of this country. The navy of Brasil consisted of 2 frigates of Stand 30, 5 corvettes (in all), 98 gun', 2 brigs of 18, 10 brig schooners of 68, 3 ketches of 13, '2 schooners of 4, 5 gun-boats, 6 steamers. Disarmed -1 frigate, 2 cutters, 1 barque, 2 steamers, 6 transports. The United States navy consisted of 10 ships of the line, 12 first-class frigates, several steam-ships, &c. He made this statement to show that this country was by far the greatest naval power in the world, and if they were wise they would not proceed to lay down new keels for two or three years, for such were the improvements that were taking place, especially in regard to the rigging of ships and the appliance of machinery to the working of the sails, that what they were now doing would probably be rendered obsolete in a short time. Sir Wm. Symonds was now build ing ships that would astonish those who had been accus tomed to work ships in the old fashion. He thought the time was come when they should reform their dockyards. He thought that the new university-the Crystal Palace would do more to cement the peace of nations than all their naval or military preparations. (Hear, hear.) Admiral BOIYLES said that he could not place much confidence in the statements of the hon. gentleman who had lust spoken respecting tho naval force ot foreign countries it ho was not more correct with regard to them than he was with respect to their own navy. (Hear.) He thought the best way of preventing war was to be prepared for it; and that what they had to look to was, whether they were prepared for a defensive war, if unfortunately it should arise. He would beg of honourable members who spoke and thought like the hon. gentleman, to read the history of 1792. They flattered themselves that because France in that year was in a very embarnased state she would not go to war. But the very next year they had to engage in war with France, who was far better prepared than they were, and it was only alter a considerable expenditure, and after several of their merchantmen had been captured, that they were able to protect their coasts, their colonies, and their com merce. (Hear, hear.) These facts ought to have some influence on the house. (Loud cheers.) What was now taking place at the Cape should be a warning to them h ow they left themselves unprepared to meet any contingencies that might arise. (Neer, hear.) With respect to stores, it was true that tremendous reductions had been made by the right hon. hart. (Sir J. Graham). But when Lord Minto succeeded to the Admiralty he was obliged to lay out large sums of money in the purchase of stores. (Hear.) Ropes were not fit for use till they were three years made, and it was indispensable that sails should be kept ready. Sir G PECIIELL admitted the efficiency of the British navy, but complained of the vexatious waste and mismanagement with which it was conducted. Mr. HUME said that we had 155 sailing vessels and 12 steamers in 1835, and that we had, in 1848, 160 sailing vessels and 96 steamers. Therefore there had been all that addition of steamers without any reduction of sailing ves sels. The question for the house now to consider was. whether there were not more stores than were wanted or required for the exigencies of the country. It was for the house to declare by their vote whether they would sanction the waste going on in the dockyards. After a few words from Admiral BOWLIII, Sir F. BARING said that, as compared with the years 1848 and 1849, the reduction on this vote was 310,0004 The hon. member for Montrose had observed that we were going on building sailing vessels and steamers ; but, since 1849, the Admiralty had not ordered to be laid down ono single ship. All their orders had been for screw steamers. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HENLEY could not support the amendment, although he had voted with the hon. member for Montrose to reduce the amount of wages in the dockyards. Mr. COBDEN said that if there was one subject more than another of an important character it was the consump tion and expenditure in our dockyards. There was a ge neral impression that our fleet already in existence was suf ficient, and that we might go on with it without any danger or insecurity to the country. If they could not do that, they could not make any sensible reduction in their expen diture. Let them not go whining about the country and talking about the excessive burdens of taxa tion ; let them, if that was their intention, bear it like men, and tell the country at once that there was to be no reduction. (Hear, hear.) Now there was one subject, in relation to the great expenditure for stores, not touched upon hitherto. Had hon. members seen the great quantity of stores we had sold during the last few months? We had sold nearly 1,600,0004 ; and a large proportion of those had consisted of nava l stores. Now, in that 1,600,0001. of stores for which we had taken credit, there had been a loss of 2,000,0004 at least ,• and this was a very moderate estimate of the loan . (Hear.) Some allusion had been made in the course of the debate to the Crystal Palace in Hyde-park, and it had been referred to as a guarantee against future wars. They might see a proof in this great building that they went to an mine esesery outlay of stores for the purposes of the navy. They had seen 13 acres of ground covered with a magnificent erection in about six months, and b one firm. He pat it to hon. gentlemen if we were suddenly threatened with war, and .Ithe national spirit were roused by some unjust aggreeiion, and the government invited the co-operation and the competition of our innumerable private dock-yards, foundries, sail-works, and hemp works, in order to produce the necessary materiel for the war, whether we would not immediately be put in possession, to an conceivable limit, of all the articles we might require ? (Hear, hear.) With the facilities which we possessed in capital, and in railway communication, and with the aid which a government could at any moment obtain from private enterprise, the vast accumulation of stores which took place under our present system involved needless waste and met. (Hear, hear.) He hoped his hon. friend would take the sense of the house on the subject. The house then divided- Per the amendment 3B Against The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was of 298,3891.-" New works, improve ments, and repairs." Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to the extension of the dockyards in this costly manner. Mr. HUME believed this was one of the met useless es tablishments that ever was known, and as an instance of that improvidence and waste they began it with a powder magazine in the centre, which had to be removed at an ex pense of 97,6271. He wished to know whether that in cluded the purchase of the land. Sir F. T. BARING said they were now only carrying on works which had been begun by a former government. he sum for the purchase of the land was voted em a former occasion. Mr. COBDEN said a large steam hags had recently being constructed at Portsmouth, and it appeared desirable that some further experience should be pined as to the necessity of steam basins before another million and a quarter woe 'speeded in the construction of another basin of the same kind. The total estimate now amounted to 1,225,000!. He asked whether it was intended to vote that million and a quarter without a fresh estimate. Sir F.T. BARING said the question was calmly discussed by the committee, and they stated that it was desirable to go on with the works. The estimate was now fully before the house. He had every reason to believe that that estimate would fully cover the expenditure. Tho majority of the committee were of opinion that th e works ought to be proceeded with. Mr. COBDEN said they were of opinion that th e y s h ou ld be partially proceeded with. This steam basin involved a great deal more than the cost of construction. If it was carried ' on in the way proposed, there was to be an outlay of 80,0001. pre aka= be mope. He objected to establish a (large manufactory and to kis, op a great number of skilled workmen at a huffs sarease. They were laying oat this imp aim ler decks and basins, forgetting that commercial men required no atoms docks or basins. They brought their vessel. to &rimer wall and put their machinery in. It Mieedto him they were completely wasting the money, , e i r nfact, if they had a California without any trouble og expense in getting the gold, they could not act with greater prodigality. After some furt her discussion, Sir F. BARING said that this estimate had been framed to meet the objection taken before the committee as to the mode of drawing up the estimate.. He had proposed the whole of the original vote as it might be required, and if he had followed the old practice the effect would have been that he should have concealed from the committee a large sum of money. He thought he had stated as plainly as man could state a fact, that he lied not the slightest inten tion of setting up the factory, but occasions might arise—a time of war, for instance, which might render the building necessary, and he could not bind the government against doing that which might be emential in times of emergency. Mr. HENLEY objected that the government might say to the house, whenever it was convenient to carry out this project, that they had had the estimate before them year by year, and therefore it was impossible to see what objection could be made to it. . . Mr. GEACIL asked for an explanation of a sum of 4,000/. which he saw in the vote was to be applied towards the building of a church at Keyham ? Sir F. BARING said that in order to compare the votes for the years it was necessary to put in the sum voted in the lastyear, and last year there had been a discussion on this vote. Many of these items had been put in i n contemplation of the proposed establishment at Keyham. The MASTER of the ROLLS said there was a very large population there, and the church was of great use. (Hear, hear.) Mr. (MACH said, as a new member, ho must express his opinion that the house was going on a wrong system, which mast lead to inextricable confusion. Mr. HUME asked what became of the revenue of Gay raltar The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that by law it should come into the Exchequer, but practically it did nut do so. (Hear, hear.) It was chiefly expended on works in the colony. Mr. HUME said that 10,0001. was put down as wanted this year at Bermuda, including 5,0001. for the breakwater. He wished to have some explanation of this. Sir F. BARING said there had been an understanding that about 10,0001. should be voted every year, for the sake of keeping the convicts employed. The vote was then agreed to, as was the following: 26,0001. for medicines and medical stores. The next vote was 16,939/. fur miscellaneous services, of which Sir F. BARING gave some explanation, in answer to a question from Mr. Hu KS. Sir G. PECHELL complained that no account was given of the slave vessels that had been purchas.d. Sir F. BARING said the Admiralty had authorised the commodore on the station to purchase any vessels which he might deem suitable lot tenders. Sir G. PECIIELL said he could find nothing to warrant a vote of 1,0001. for this purpose. Mr. W. WILLIAMS asked for an explanation of the item of 4721. for voyages of the royal family. Sir F. BARING said it was connected with her Majesty's voyage when she went to Ireland, when it was necessary to hire some vessels. In. answer to a question from Mr. Hume, Sir F. BARING stated that sixteen clerks at the Admi ralty had been dispensed with. As the situations fell vacant they had not filled them up. Mr. PETO said he wished to impress on the government the necessity of giving all officers employed in steam navi gation an opportunity of becoming practically acquainted with the machinery of those vessels. He mentioned an in stance which had come to his knowledge of great ignorance in a person so employed. Sir F. BARING was understood to say that the Ad miralty were desirous to give all the facilities in their power for the acquisition of such knowledge. Mr. II IINIE said he saw a sum of 1961. set down for ser vices rendered to her Majesty's vessels, which reminded him that her Majesty's navy demanded compensation for services rendered merchant vessels in distress, which was most discreditable. No such system prevailed in the French or American navies. The decision of • court in Bombay lately was very properly against such allowances, a claim in that particular case being made fur 3,0001. Sir F. T. BARING said as the hon. gentleman (Mr. Fiume) had signified his intention, on a former occasion, to bring that matter before the house he (Sir F. T. Baring) would reserve explanation till then. The vote was then agreed to, as also were the following: 488,4521., naval clerks' pay and allowances; 169,6891., civil pensions and allowances ; and 143,2004 to defray the ex penses of freights for victualling troops under the ordnance department. Mr. Herz and Mr. W. WILLIAMS having objected to proceeding at that hour (one o'clock) with the next vote of 496,0001. for the Post-office packet service, The CIIAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day. FEES ON PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUSTICES (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was discharged. BRITISH WHITE HERRING FISHERY. This bill was read a third time and passed. PHARMACEUTICAL CHEMISTS. On the motion of Mr. J. Batt, leave was given to bring in a bill fur regulating the qualifications of pharmaceutical chemists, and for other purposes connected with the prac tice of pharmacy. In repl to Mr. HENLEY, Sir G. GItEY said that he consented to the introduction of the bill, but he did not thereby mean to pledge himself to support it in its future stages. NEW FOREST. The following members were nominated the select com mittee on the New Forest Deer Removal Bill :—Lord Sey mour, Sir William Gibson Craig, Viscount Duncan, Mr. H. Drummond, Mr. Compton, Lord Charles Wellesley, and five to be added by the committee of selection. 'CORONERS BILL. The following members were nominated the select com mittee on the Coroners' Bid:—Mr. Fitzro, Mr. Fresh field, Mr. John EMU, Mr. Sotheron M r . Child, Mr. Beckett Denison. Mr. Bremridge, Mr. f'iicholl Mr. Boa eerie, Mr. Legh, Mr. °each, Mr. Wakley, Sir. Napier, Mr. Corbally, and Lord Dudley Stuart. The house adjourned at half-past one o'clock. CHOIR BENEVOLENT FUND. Yesterday West minster Abbey was the scene of a remarkably interesting gathering of the choirs of the English cathedrals and oolle • gate churches for the purpose of inaugurating a society to afford aid to the widows and orphans of that meritorious and not overpaid body of ecclesiastical officials. No fewer than 25 choirs were represented, and the ordinary musical staff of the Abbey was thus swelled to 122. Divine service was celebrated at noon, the vesicles, preces &c., being sung to the magnificent harmonies of Tallim:; and the psalms of the day to that version of the first tone, which is commonly known as the chant of the same master. Tho Te Deum and Benedktur were by Orlando Gibbon, and the anthem, " God is gone up," by Crofts. The service was admirably performed, and, in fact, the liturgy has seldom been rendered with such gravity breadth, sad grandeur as on this memorable occasion. The service being over, the choir performed a selection from the works of our great anthem composers since the Reformation. The list comprised, " Lord, for thy tendermercy's sake," by Farrant, • gentleman of the Chapel Royal and organist of Windsor, who died 1d85; "hosanna to the Son of David," by Gib bons, organist to James 1., and who died in 1625; "0 give thanks unto the Lord," by Purcell, organist of the Chapel Royal and of Westminster Abbey, who died 1695 ; " I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day," by Dr. Blow, organist of the Chapel Royal and Westminster Abbey, who died 1708; " 0 give thanks," by Dr. Aldrich, Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, who died 1710; " This is the day," by Dr. Croft, organist of the Chapel Royal and Westminster Abbey, who died 1727; "In thee, 0 Lord, have I put my trust," by' ' John Weldon, organist and gentleman of the Chapel Royal, who died 1736 ; " I will arise," by Dr. Creyghton, canon of Wells Cathedral, who died 1738 ; " 0 clap your hands," by Dr. Green, organist of St. Paul's, who died 1756; and"o give thanks," by Dr. Boyce, organist of the Chapel Royal,who died 1779. MeTurle presided Utile organ, and nothing could be better as &specimen of English Ecclesias tical music. There was an excee ding ly large and distinguished congregation, and the collections at the doors of the Abbey amounted to 811. To. 9d. The choirs afterwards adjourned to the Jerusalem Chamber, where, the chair having been taken by the Rev. Lord John Thynne, the subdcan, the i society was formally established. In the evening the choir and a considerable number of the lovers of church music dined at St. Martin's Hall, Long Acre, Lord John Thynne again presiding. The usual toasts were drunk, as well as the health, of the bishops (and particularly of the Arch bishop of Armagh and the Bishop of Bangor), the deans and chapters, particularly the Dean of Bangor (who re turned thanks), the chairman, " Success to the Choir Benevo lent Fund," " the organists"(to which Dr. Wesley responded), " the precenters and choirs of England and Wales " (for whom the Rev. Mr. Haydn, precentor of Westminster, returned thanks; "the Ladies," &c., &c. Amongst the rest, the health of Mr. Grey, of Westminster Abbey, to whose exertions the formation of the fund is mainly attri butable, was drunk with loud applause ; and i n re t urn i ng thanks, stated that it was proposed to divide the country into seven districts; that each district should have frequent local gatherings, to be held at each cathed ra l i n its turn ; and that, every three or four years, there should be an aggregate meeting, like that which they had had that day. Donations, besides a liberal amount of annual subscriptions, were announced, amounting to 3121. Is. 3d. During the evening a large number of the best madrigals, glees, arid other pieces were performed by the compaiay with admira ble effect. The selection comprised the bon Nobis, the National Anthem, and pieces by Beak, Gibbons, Aldrich, Ward, Elvey, J. S. Smith, Waikent, Festa, and Stevens. Altogether a most delightful evening was spent ; and the new society commences its existence under the most favourable auspices. THREE LIVES LOST.—HOYLE MILL, BARNSLEY, JUNE 11.—T. Lee, Esq., held an inquest at the above place on the bodies of Thomas Bell and Charles Pickard, who were killed on Monday by an explosion of fire-dame at Aidsley Maine or Oaks Colliery, at the place where 73 hues were lost on the sth March, 1847. The government in spawere ter was present. Several w it nesses examined, but the substance of their evidence has already been given in the account of the occurrence which has been given in the Express, and the jury returned a verdict of " Acci dental death." The colliery is now on fire, and It is stated to be impossible to prosecute any search for the body of the man who Is missing. NEWS from tho CANTERBURY COLONISTS. tho Viral Numbs, of the LYTTKLTON TIM EM, publisbod e t " tbe or tlement on the UM oft/annex,. may y. obtained *tee 4d., or by pos to return for t 6 postage etsmpiti by avi4y. tog to Mr. •IRG, pabltsber. No. 340. fitranii. Contents:-1. Voya,og and Arrival* of the eoopa Charlotte Jute, Seymour. Rand o lph . Cramy-2. Loading of the s-3. Journal of erVrOODNOI of Colonists for a fortnight-4. Shipping Intelligence of Pun Lyttelain— L litestinp of Land Purdsseera and their Correvendee eo oo h Godley-6. Lentz front the Governor to the Colonies. s pool , Mishap Retail Prl Sel cea-10. Advwyn to the Catmints-B. ertamments. Pollee Report-6. Lysteton Vie erpreso. TO CORRESPONDENTS. ► Tweamd Edition of 4 ix; e o Tal g . Ile same evening , . " Owen." la pabilabsd away Tardily and Friday night. in Wee far post ►dmtuemntahtoadad far "The Lapsing," London Evening piper, must bs at the Onlos. le, Bouverts.strest by Two liana on toe day of publication. HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE. T.l. D.*—lllorming. 114 27s _Afternoon. th. Snin. Tomosow—Mornioag, lb. I Ito _Mailroom, 2a. 3Zoo. LONDON; FRIDAY, JUNE 13. THE suppression of the African slave-trade has so inseparable a connexion with the highest interests of humanity, the loftiest pretensions of our national renown, and the material interests of our tropical colo nies, as to render every step by which that enormous 'time is finally subdued equally interesting to the philanthropist, the politician, and those pecuni arily concerned in its destruction. It is, therefbre, with the utmost satisfaction that all will note how, in the speech with which the Emperor of 13nAzit, opened the Brazilian Chambers on the 3rd of May, the suppressive career so lately entered on by that state, is not treated as a mere experiment, but as an irrevocable change of the national will and conduct: The law of the 4th September last has been vigorously enforced. To this law is to be attributed the almost entire extinction of the slave trade. I hope that you will continue to co-operate with my government so that it do not agaiu make its appearance, even on a small scale. This is a great and noble wish; worthy of the only monarch on the American continents; and henee forth the declared and avowed policy, and the whole force of legislation of Christendom (for America is part of Christendom) are in accord as to Africa. Everywhere now the African slave-trade is acknow ledged by laws to be a crime ; everywhere it is punishable as piracy and felony, and the crusade so long ago commenced by England is apparently now about to Ltriumph. Of the more recent offender., Portugal was the first to yield ; Spain then followed; at last, Brazil completes this great circle of repentance. There is, then, hope that the solution of negro civilisation is not far distant ; that on the western and eastern coasts of the great African con tinent, legitimate commerce, exciting internal in. dustiy, and followed by religious influences, will yet work out the moral and material redemption of its now barbarous races. Concurrently with this important change of policy in a matter formerly assumed to be of such incalcu lable importance to its pecuniary and commercial welfare, Brazil goes on advancing in prosperity. Tho fears and apprehensions of those who attributed all its economical progress to the slave-trade, are prov ing to be there selfish and interested delusions. Pro duction is augmenting, importations are increasing., and the revenue is improving in Brazil, notwith standing its Emperor is able to announce " the almost entire extinction of the slave-trade." In 1847-8 the revenue was only 24,732,000 contos of milreis ; in 1848-9 it rose to 26,136,000; in 1849- 50 to 28,000,000; in the year 1830-31 it is estimated at 31,119,000; and in that year, notwithstanding the heavy military expenses rendered necessary by the hazardous state of its relations with the Banda Oriental, there is, on a revenue of only between three and four millions sterling, likely to be a surplus of not less than half a million sterling. As with the revenue in those years, so with the importations: in 1847-8, they produced 14,219,301 contos; iu 1818-9, 13,453,000 ; in 1849-30, 17,378,286 ; and in 1830-31, they are estimated to yield not less than 20,000,000 contos. And this increase is the more remarkable and encouraging; seeing that the emigration of Portuguese slave traders from Brazil is of course accompanied by a large amount of capital, and has a tendency still further to restrict that system of extended credit on which• Brazilian commerce is too much conducted. Pending the results of this great change of policy, the progress of Brazil becomes a matter in which humanity itself is deeply concerned. Anything that distracts the attention of the government or people of the empire from the steady development of its great resources, hazards and endangers the success and per manence of the suppressive policy : and what Brazil has now most to fear is being involved in those inter minable embarrassments and embroglios of the states on the Rio de la Plata and its tributary rivers. Towards those states the policy of Brazil has at all times been frank, avowed, and honourable. With a territory already too large, Brazil has everything to lose and nothing to gain by once more pushing its frontier up to the bank of the Plate. In 1829, under Lord PONSONBY'S mediation, the Brazilian government resigned the conquest of the Monte Vidcan territories, made ten years previously by the Portuguese, whom it succeeded; guaranteed the in dependence of the new state, then constituted as the Banda Oriental; and has resolutely refused to in terfere in those internal struggles for supremacy which have since not merely retarded its pro gress, but almost destroyed its independence. All that Brazil has required has been tho main tenance of a state between it and its old enemy the Argentine Republic. With such a state, it has been prepared to carry on amicable relations, regard less whether this or that general might bo the de pository of its power. This, it is to be gathered from the imperial speech, is still the policy of Brazil —the existence of the Banda Oriental as an inter mediate state; and for its existence Brazil, has, at least, the moral guarantee of this country. Unfortunately, however, as we have before ex plained, the frontiers between Brazil and the Banda Oriental have never been marked out, as was in tended by Lord Ponsonby's treaty. The great landed proprietors of the border country were gene rally supporters of RIVERA as president of the Banda Oriental, and on his downfall and the succession of General 01118 E, they suffered great violence, vexations, and exactions at the instance of the successful chief. Ilis cruelties and depredations were pursued into the Brazilian territories, about which there could be no dispute; and for these aggressions on his sub jects the government of the Emperor of 'llium de manded redress against their repetition and security from the authorities of the Banda Oriental. Left to itself and to its own means and resources, that state would not long have resisted this just demand; but it was not left to itself. Roses, who as President of Buenos Ayres can have no more legal authority over or in the Banda Oriental than the King of the S 0- WICII ISLANDS, interfered on its behalf. He insisted on making the dispute his own ; and when this pre posterous position was repulsed by the Brazilian government, he broke off all diplomatic relations. Brazil, thus threatened, naturally prepared for the protection of its frontier provinces, and Buenos Ayres summoned the rest of the Argentine Confederation to send armaments into the Banda Oriental—a sum mons to which URQUIZA, the chief of Entrerios, the great district lying between the Plate and the Parana, has replied by calling on the confederated provinces to join him in: overthrowing RoSAS' power, and thereby " save the republic of La Plata from the deep abyss towards which she is hurriedly carried away by the evil genius which presides over the counsels of the government of Buenos Ayres." War between these two powers has thus become not an improbable contingency; not, however, be cause Brazil has any ambitious designs on the Banda Oriental, or because it desires to direct in any way its internal affairs, or is party to the general hostility against Rams which prevails in the upper provinces of the Argentine Republic—for all these the Em peror has disclaimed in his speech to the Chambers— but simply because ROSAS chooses to assume the pro tection of the Banda Oriental, when it had com mitted acts of wanton aggression in a Brazilian province. Any war between Brazil and Buenos Ayres must of course affect the Plata; and in the pesos of that river our commerce is deeply interested. Lord PALMERSTON, therefore, hastened in March last to offer the mediation of this country, as the power under whose auspices they both contracted the treaty of 1829. His lord ship's offer has not, however, been accepted; and based on the ill relations between ROSAS and Brazil, the hostility long entertained to that person by the rest of the Argentine Republic is, as we have stated, gradually developing itself; in the hope, of II