The Express. — London, England, 1852-03-30 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MoNDay, MARCH 29. The Luna exam mama took Air int at 5 o'clock. PETIT lONS PRESENTED. NUNNZIIII33.—By the Earl of ROI)EN, from several ladies, praying for the inspection of nunneries. IIAINLIA/TH.—Alao by the same WAIN earl, from several t ees in Devonshire and Wiltshire. against the grant to grrnat. RATIL—By Lora REDE3DALE, from a place nut heard, in favour of a national rate. PRIVILEUE. Lord CAMPBELL said he wished to make a few re works upon a seriset which he considered to be a question a privilege, and which was interesting to their lordships' Wives and to their unmarried daughters. Upon the late occasion of the instalment in office of We noble earl at the heed of her Malady's government, there was great anxiety at the put of the peeresses and their daughters to be pre sent. and the result Wax a very brilliant attendance of that high class of individuals. The gallery was fille I with Wks, and when orders were given fur the exclusion of istranivrs during prayers. a scene of considerable confusion IMOsed. The ladies present were subjcoted to great larva "science by that order, bicatoo they were obliged to with draw to the corridor, where the cold wind blew and they were exposed to the -acitonency of the weather. That was ea unseemly and very unnecessary dire urtesy. There was no standmz ordet upon 1::e subj.-et. When their lordships preyed to .thuigh!y W.ll it necessary to their devotions that no strangers should he present ? During the illness of the late Lora l'hancillor (the Earl of Cottunh.uu) he had the baseer of providing 11:011 the Woolsack, and on such occasions be gave directions dist Lilies should nut he compelled to withdraw during grapes. The result was that several ladies e ira i turzi , at itt i rayess, and their attitude of devotion was " ' . .0;11.1111 1. OF MORAD. The of i.BCEN notice, rem to move foe a copy of a proclamation issued on the 21st of Jasuary, 1341. by Mr.Frese, the Commissioner of kande, by order of the Ginerrior.fieneral of India, &cluing the forfeiture to the British government of all the territories bold by the Aylmer Ali Morad, except such as he received tea his lather, on the gemmed of his having wrongfully obtained possession of a p ,'loon of these territories by means of a forged document styled the Treaty of Nownahnr ; Ned also fur an account of the estimated revenues of the territories so forfeited, dietinguishing such AS were ob tained under the treaty of Nowoahur from such as were Uhl by the Anwer Alt Mood so Rais, under the cession of the Turban, concluded at Dili o on or about the 19th of December. Ibid • sad oleo for en account of the estimated 1C41111144 of mei; of the territories so forfeited its were here tofore Ia the prey ism of the Nuwaub of liuhawulpore and were late ailed to be ceded to the said Nuwaub by the se• viral treatim 'Mara by the' .tureen of itcinde of the 14th of February. 18.13.•' noble earl then entered upon a minute statement of the ease of the Anacer Ali Mono!, who MO pot...teed of con.iderahle territory in tae northern recta of Sciade, but who had been deprived of his acquired pea analysts upon as allegattuo that he hail boeu guilty of for gery. It was slleged that ho had torgeit a document, wh;reby he ha obtained the possession of certain districts instead of certain villagcs. The trial took place under a oceennission issued by the British government, and the askew earl, atter tLe whole CIIVIUDOIDCVI at con eklerable length, .untended that the Atexer hail a just tense ot gric-anee. lie asked the government to recen•Aer the decision, or at lead revise the sen tence, sad not subject the .%niter to a punidirnent which was eacts , i‘e, iocousistent with his condition, as injurious to hi. subject. as to himself, and which would shake the confidence of all the princes in baba in the profewions of hind feeling towards those who had served it well in times of need. reminded the how." and the givernment that this primer had been a useful ally in mme ot oar wars, and contending that, supposing the decision to be correct, the Demesne was exoessiee, concluded by zuovieg for tho papers upon the suhjeet. Lord BIM:ORTON admitted that lie was the minister, when in °Mee, that had sent out the denutch depriving the Amery of bia ildacquired territories; and be showed that the came was one which required the indiction of such a penalty. The Muter had been the cause of tile shedding of a great deal of blood, for if it h cal not been for him the war in Peinde would never have taken place. Ile had been guilty of one of the basest of crimes--of defrauding ono of NO neatest relatives, sod of betraying the came of his own countrymen; and, more than that, though it was, slot a crime of so deep a stain, of cheating the very power sad the very pereor.. who had raised him to his station, telhim on the throne, and maintained him there. Ile'! ot know how there could be blacker guilt, or be a greater comhination of offences. The Earl of DERBY took the same view of the subject, and moved that, in addition to the papers required by Lord Ellenborough, there should be returned a report of the cvi dente given at the trial and before the commissionhers. The noble earl commented strongly on the cours.‘ taken by the E irl cat Ellenborough, and expressed satisfaction at Lord Broughton's full defence of the East India Company. After a few words from Earl Gaze The rtturce, with the addition of the Earl of Ehrby, were then *faired. THIRD READINGS, The I . ,.l:oiring b:.11 were read • third time and passel : Protection of Inventions Bill, Clamor Inelosure Bill, Consolidated Fund Dail, and the Law of Wills Amend- Rent PERSONAL ESTATE OF INTESTATES BILL. This bill was riots second time. Pijoel:Akii 61 7 A;:4611 BILL. This bia passed through comsat... :Ind was ordered to be read a third time to.morrow (the. day). MANCHESTER. HOUSE OF RECOVERY BILL. This bat wu rein a FCCOLI,I time. WATSON'S HOSPITAL (EDINBURGH) ESTATE BILL. This bill was read a ICCOllti time. Their lordships men adjourned at • quarter to S o'clock. :HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAT, MARCH 21*. The Smut's took the chair at a quarter before (oar Ve.loek. N ENV MEMBER. Mr. SLULLT took the oaths and his teat for Cork. The bon. gentle man nu introduced by Mr. Keogh and Mr. F. Scully. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Tatty Rrrotro.—Liverpool Corporation Waterworks CONISIDERZD •ND AORZID Death Insurance and Railway Assurance Companies Amal gamation; Belfast Use; Bradford Pieta Halls; Chelten bun Improvement and Width ; Droitwich Junction Canal aanndutents to be propoeed); Macclesfield Improvement ( amendments to be proposed) ; Talley Drainage ; Barns atm Nos.—Dumfries aadMaxwelltown Water works; Eastern Union Railway; North and South Western and Brighton and Dover Junction Railway (Wandsworth to Croydon); North Sffordshire Railwa (Sandbach to sear V. &e.); ta Swansea Local B eard of Health; Tramare Esikiment ; Wveorate Railway ; Bills. EDINBURGH AND CANONGATE ANNUITY TAX ABOLITION BILL. Sir W. G. CRAIG moved the second reading of this bill, +lath he said was approved of by the late govern- , snort, but be understood that VMS part of it woald be re- ' listed by liar Majesty's permit adviser.. Ho hoped, how- • ever, the government would sow state what their views were with mud to this bill, :tad not allow it to be read , a second time be the purpose of being bereaftvr opposed. (Hear, beer ) Mr. F. MACKRNZIE did not speak now as a member of the government, but as an independent member who last Fillr, sat upon the committee which investigated this sub- .. lie was not altogether opposed to the obit et of the , hut nevertheless he thought it defective both in prin elide end detail. It was said dismal was on the lacrosse in Edinburgh, sad that was one of the reasons for redwing the number of maiisten of the established church, which the promoter of the hill urged in its favour. He, however, could not recognise the force of that reason, nor could be say that he tad much confidence in the securities which were proposed to be taken for the payment of these fifteen ministers, and unless the bill came out of the committee very much altered, be should feel bound to oppose it on the third reading. After a briarlimmassiori. Mr. W POLE said that be had stated, • raw days ago, that the t would take the subject of matador's away into their otesidcmtioa, with • view of arriving at a settlement of the question; and, he repeated the same statement now. But there were great difficulties is the way •. and the question of minister's nt , mty involved en important principle. Though willing, therefore, to give the subject every vir.siderat:on, he was not prepared, on the part of the govoroment, to say in what particular way It should be staid. When asked whether he would assent to the present proposition, he must say that It involved right, ss bleb he did not thick ought to be given op hastily and without consileratamr. The right hon. gentleman said that all parties, with the exception of 'lie law= n desirous we desius to have tide matter settled. lilt he all the right hon. aentlessin that the Ivory, rs were will ing to mike theme l see liable for their porti oi of the an nuity tat in Edinburgh, provided the qui.•.i.in could ba ' settled a a manner which would give satisfaction to the church. When the bill rains trim the select committee, lhotrovorrunent would lima be better able to any whether they maid swat to it. But has would recimmend these, who had the conduct of th bill, to withdraw It till another •C 91400. MT.E. MACIcE aid 1114 the late soiretnesst werll prerac,l to adopt the bill as a sattlemrnt of a question of vital importance, nut only to the city of E liahurA, but to the witchliched church of llootlast4 iMclf, .1,1• I every day, lost lo its sett,. meat was so much opp,ctocity thrown sway in watintain , ng that church on its tut. ent (toast& Its Mit niter! that the (racer opportunity of settling tbe que.ti time lest. (firm, liter) The 101 l was this load a second tine, anti D. 1-red to • PUBLIC IIe4INERS. I'ETITION3 PRESENTED. Tun MILLIS.% /111.--/ly Ms. COWEN. G4l* the .inhal b:lsots at Omensleh, and from the inhahitm.•% arlFirsley4 West RAM* of Yerk•hire ; from the Adult Sunda, Selma !scan street. BirminThmn ; from a puhlte meeting s 6'uffvl l; f.om the Calsin:stie klethoJi.te of Elora. Can its:ro ~ Mr. WILLCOX, fr om the iro 3f Sloth srup•on ; Mr. SCHOLL Fl ELT), from I ia Binning ham; Si r B. LOPES. trio KingshrUlr. ft 'hearth, von : Mr. 1110ILIELY hem Whom ; Mr ELLIS (1), front Barrow-upon-Soar, Leitater ; sod • from Bismioghant; Sir .1. WALMSLEY, trout Its congregations in Cardiganshire Moan. 1 . 71ee and t 1 workmen, Warwick-hum: and Suffolk; Mr. lIINDLET from Cardiganshire; from the factory of Mears. Warner, brasafounders, City ; and fear other p l aces; against. METROPOLIS WATER SUPrLY DILL. • On the motion for Om second reedits% of this bill, Lord EDRINOTON,w ho presented a pethienfsont the Me tropolitan Sanitary Association, praying feta map' ohenSive plan for supplying the metropolis with slims, hoped, before the house courproc&ssil the pecuniary welt as the sanitary iatarests of the metropolis, it world, at least, cause en its quiry to be nude, and dirt.ct Ibl preparation of estimates. of and plans for obtaining an adequate supply of water hens , the sources recommended by the highest scientific ma thnrities. ..... Mr. H. COCHRANE seconded the motion. Lord J. MANNERS trusted the house would reject the motion, uot on its merits or demerits, but on the aimplo ground that, if acceded to, another year must paw without earthing twiaiß dune to improve the supply of water to the metropolis.bill which the government adopted might not meet the views of his noble friend and other sanitary relormers, but he trusted that in committee it would be so amended, that if not the measure which would give the best, and cheapest, and most abundant supply of water to the metropolis, it would at least give a fur better, cheaper, and more abundant supply than they had at present. (Hear, hear.) That was the practical object which the government hat in view. Alter II few words from Mr. Msconnoon, Mr. B. Cotm KA E. and Sir J. JOH Nil CON e, who said that the New River l'oiiiimuy ,applied water at the rate of per cent. on the actual city rental, and that they were prepared to supply water to the poor at • rate which could not be complained of, the motion was negatived without a divi. siun. COOR LAW COMMISSION. In reply to Lord D. STUART, Sir J. TROLLOPE said that it was the intention of the present government to bring in a bill in the present a sdon for the renewal of the pear law commission fur a limited period. AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. Mr. BUTT wished to put a question to the I're-ident of the Board of Tr ate on the subject of agricultural statistics. He wished to ask the right honourable gentleman whe ther he was prepared to take any step fur obtaining statistics of which many had deplored the went —whether her Majesty's government contemplated the introduction of any measure for the purpose of collecting information as to the cereal productions of (treat Britain, similar to what we, ulteady obtained in the case of Ireland ? Mr. HENLEY said the hon. gentleman had modestly stated that this important subject bad attracted more or lem of public attention tar a great many years. Attempts had been made, at lotions times, to obtain a solution of the question, and it had net escaped his (Mr. llenley'.) atten twit, either before he came into office or since. the only answer which he was at present able to give the hon. mem ber was, that so important a subject had not escaped the at tention of the government, but that at present he could not see his way to bring in at.y measure to secure the desirable end in view. THE MAYNOOTIII GRANT. In replv to a Tuition from Mr. OnEkvILLII BP.RXT.T.RT, Mr. SPOONER. mid it was hi. intention to take the ballot with Na view of renewing his motion on this subject u early a, possible aft. I' Exittr. TILE JEt% S AT PESTI!. Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that, on Thurredly nest, he should call the attention of her Majesty's roin - sters to the delay which had taken matt in reference to the outrages committed on Jewish subjects at Pesti). The CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER said he believed it was the gem ral wish of the house tf.at the Secre tary of State should make his statement that eight with respect to the militia; but, in order that that might be done, it would be necessary for him to move that notices of motion should take prececence of the orders of the day. ' Most of the order. of the day were government orders ' and 1 with regard to them there would of course be no difficulty. There was one order of the day, 1w believed, which be longed to a gentleman who did not sit on the government I side of the house ; but he did not anticipate any opposition to the motion, as it would appear to lie the general feeling of the limier., that his rght hen. friend should proceed with out delay. He would therefore move that notices of motion should take precedence of enters of the day. The SPEAKER observed that the proper course would be to move that the orders of the (I my be now read. Mr. F hIAULE hoped the government would have no obketion to proceed with the orders of the day afterwards. The house then proceeded to the orders of the day. The Common Law Fees Regulation Bill passed through Committee. TILE MILITIA BILL. A number of petitions having been presented, and the order of the 20th day of February hut in reference to the Militia Bill having been read, Mr. WALI'OLE said—Sir, pursuant to the order which has just been read by the clerk at the table, I now ,beg leave to more, that certain members of the present govern eat he ordered to prepare and bring in a bill for the pur ples of consolidating the laws relating to the militia. I =it will be admitted, as ma undeniable prupo. that this country ought, in its means of defence at heal, whatever may be its means of attack, to be placid on an equal footing with other countries. Is that our position at the present moment? We have becululled into security by• happy peace of nearly 10 years duration, and having enjoyed peace fur su long a time, we can hardly believe la, or even realbe to ourselves, the possibility of danger. But though I trust, nay, though I think, that actual imme diate dangs r is as far removed from our shores as ever— (" hear, hear," from the opposition side)—yet, looking at the state of Europe, not, I mean, with reference to its government. but to the elements of anarchy and confusion —(ministerial checri)—l did not say "of anarchy and aaalusion " but " the elements of anarchy and confusion," which might easily breakout not many months hence, I think ye ere Mend to sea that we are in ruch a state of defence, amilddskuce alone, as to be able to resist any attack width, by po.sibility, may be made upon us. (Cheers.) Our deadly relations with futeign powers have increased, and se increasing, as the papers which my right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has laid on the table will show ; but, knowing that those relations still exist, I say Pity justily ne is the course we are pursuing, for they dis- Manly show that we are not influenced in pursuing that course Is, jealousy, or fear, or undue appreheusion, but that we pursue it simply and solely because we b:lieve that it is the Ergot duties to keep a country in a ',tete ofself defence, became we knew that provident precaution against danger is the blphest wisdom, and because we are convinced that the bit guarantee against attack is always to be prepared and seedy for defence. (Cheers.) Now, that being so, the /Ist question which we have to ask is this,—an we, or are we sot, in such a state of defence as the inhabitants of a great sentry like this ought to be in ? I think the answer to Mat cluestioa is sot a very .1411C1111 one. In the int plat, pee have the general concurrence of all the best &saint/heal authorities, whether they be military or whether they be meal, that the embodied force iu the United Kingdom is set, in ease of sudden emergency, equal to its protection. 'lbey also think that the Inventions and discoveries with ✓ibrance to steam must necessarily capon this country to fare sudden and more imminent peril than she has ' lees subjected to at any previous period in her history. In the second place, you have the feet, tit government after government have prepared teemetres is tined_peaie. eemerbat similar to that which I bum Ilitplegeuu Tets utilise measures were, I think, setudipep pubseealk, led were only postponed Ilia Iffilia away. la the third place, 11 = Il 1 rie - 7• 7 11g moieties. of the house itself, in pursu ance of wile. se in abeam* to which, I might truly say, I out raw meting, sad I refer to that reeelutiou be- Ow it chess the *do manned by this house selp a mat epo . that samillhiley Is necessary to be done to this orpetry to a better ale if security. Now, look at t is ...iiiiihuors, and let sac ask you whether a gaverSo semi, into power with Olt h c.reumstances as these wee them would he justified in leaving the defences ef the weeny erectly as they found them. I wit yes sib further, if they did, and a war should happen, would you not my, and justly ay, that the ministers who bad se acted, under such circumstance, ought to be Impeached ? (Hear, hear.) How, then, can we fling up the respousibility which has just been east upon us? Now, sir, thr re will probably be three dame d objectors to the observations which 1 have made. There are throe who think that the state of oar detain is liii tually sufficient. There are those who think—and, from the smile which I saw Just now on the face of the boa. member for Manchester, I suppose he is one of them—that, since there is no immediate danger, there is no immediate necessity f•Jf what we are proposing. There is a third class of objectors, who think that, if you increase the defences of the country, you ought to do it by adding to the army or to the navy, instead of by having rerourso to the *coulee militia. Now, let me my steer words upon cacti of these game' of Aimee'. And first for Owes who think that the defences are salt.ii.n. is they are.; The whet night, whim timpani estimates were voted, the Imo. member tor Lambeth (Mr. W. Williams) east up the nuaibers of the troops very ay' eurately. and said, o When you Lee 100,000 men for your fenny, 111,e10 in India, 10,000 peneinners, 1,500 yeo manry, ma:sing in all somewhere about 180,900 men., what. Is the need or necessity for a mita, ?" Sir, beetle yen ar rive at beery concluisiona from niece figures, you ought to ask es umbra, what use eau you muse of those man fee your home deft nets ? (Hear, lit.v.) It is true you have a l a rg e army, but that army i• nut a gamier of the arm of Buena. not half the army et Pronto!, sot • th y ird of the army of diner, east very little more time the army 14 litelinitn. But your empire is ruled over by a Queen who ;au under her dominion ow.- Math of the population and une.eiehtli of the surface of the habitable globe. (Hear, Is-ar.) You lave colunies %hick eidunst a great part of your fames. Othir powers have . more c.napact dominion., cad s in therefmr more readily concentrate their forces ; their troops are net deo lashed, like these hi Menke to this country: , Well, now, supposing it sbnuid himpoi,-1 rto not think then so cur Mina iliate c 05...: tat appreheuil that it will 1 happeu—Lut stypsniug it should h intro tied a euiVen iii. lessen or incursion was read,' upon you, what is the hind which ye.i eflil4l bring to bear u;1,11 the moth roast of ling. MAP that event? thy, if s ~ ii were t., withersw (rem these r. Om taring slitrices, fr an the central dAxie., from 04 oretrup.ilis iteelf. train most of your notified rice toils, f all the men, you weld i.htaiii, y' ii mould not brine to bear upon may one point tin end twen , y theinn4 men, (" Hear, ten, end eh•ers," from t'ee milliatartal himeties.) And ye. Inuit them have so leave the not of the armory, the in, trolls lie Awe', and your en en** place, to the die Icor, lir yau. j•Liasi..4tii. ..1.4'. :Le INS., s N .0., that. I ask . you wheth. r th it is a elate of thine' in %NO this ceamtry ought to b- left. (Ileer, hear.) I know it may lie said by the h 0.,. mod palliest member for Weitaiinsir, ... You hare the newts et Englishmen who would the is a moment if anytling . of theokind took place." Sir, I hope I am not int-hoard in plating confidence it the spirit and enthusiasm of the English people. But no THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 30, 1852. to one knows better than the gallant gentleman himself that something mete than spirit and enthusiasm is needed for defence—(sier, hear)—that unless you have the drill, the patience, and 'the disciplise of the seldienyou cannot qg any eat to be stied, Wet arl liner, held.) Bid, en, it Idea% ". Look t il. the n os ; Lava you not siteugh . lii OM the coast r I thin was sail by a . admiral in'this louse thattou had fr eamgh to .the whole of the south coast. Om that you ha= ships, his have you men in theui ? ear.) Awl if you hove ships enoggh, will you vote money entire% to the go vernment to put them all in commission and man them ? Your ships in eommisidon on the home station at Oil moment are 0 mewls of war, 5 frigates, I sloop, V steamer. preluded by screw, and 8 propelled by paddle. I ant net disparaging that fame, nor du I my that it would not be anply outfit-It* t o prevent • sudden incursion. What I say is this. The assailing party always has an advantage over aye defending party, inasmuch as tho assailing party can select his Own mesas of attack and defense ; whereas the defending party is scattered over too wide • surface to have these advan tages ; and if your ship. are withdrawn from their stations for a moment, or if an opposing squadron elide the vigi- lance of your cruisers, then, unless you halo a covering force by land you cannot be in the position in which a great and wealthy country like this ought to be. (Hear, hear.) So much, then, for the present state of your troops. Now I say that is not sufficient. I now proceed to the second class of objectors. They say that there is no immediate necessity for ths because there is no immediate danger. Now, whatever argument is to prevail in this house, I trust that argument will not be the one which will do so. The postpeneme of of your preparations is always open to two great dimilven sages. First of all, if you have to make your preparations in a time of panic, that necessarily provokes and increases the panic, and probably hastens the rupture whirl, you in teed to avoid. In the second piece, prepnratioas which are made in sudden haute are always sure to be leas per fect and more expensive than if they were not node in • time of panic. (Cheers.) In short, the time for (reparation and the time for action ought never to be simultaneous. Sir, the third class of objectors to the observations which I have been making to the house are those who think that you ought to increase your army and nevy. Now, there are two answers to that class of objectors, one of which is applicable to the increase of both those forces, while the other is applicable to the increase of either taken separately. The Gast objection to the increase of the amiy and nary, taken together, b that it must necessarily add a great permanent additional expense, and then, if your revenue should be doubtful hereafter, the House of Commons might not sue:- tins thesentianance of that expense. The second objection is, that both_ year army and navy are instruments of attack es well es defence, and that if you increased your army sad navy you would raise suspicions, and provoke jests:my other powers, even at the moment when you least re im ntell to do so. (Hear, hear.) Now both those objec ' tions 1 should conceive to be fatal. With reference to the navy, if lam right in the observations which I have ad dressed to the house, no force can be adequate unites you have also a covering force by lend, to pro tect you in case of foreign egueseinn eludiug your ships. and with regard to the army, the objections to a large in crease were put so forcibly by the noble lord the member for Tiverton the other night, that I hardly need repeat them. I refer especially to the objection that, such are the feelings and habits of the people of this couetry, that if a large increase were made, depending, as it would do, on a parliamentary grant, it would probably not continue many years. lam thus led immediately to consider whether you ought not to have recourse to your national militia. There arc many reasons which make that force far preferable to any other. In the first place, it is a force that is familiar to the country. It has existed in this country for 200 years, sod though happily through the long peace which ha. prevailed we had fee • considerable j3Clioll no ne cessity for calling it out, yet its name, its character, and its organisation, are familiar to all. (C heers.) In the second place, by your law you have actually a militia at this mo ment. You only suspend the law fu: calling it out, and if you did not suspend it by an annual act of parliament the ballot would be resorted to the very neat year. In the third place, your militia has dune good service to the coun try. it is a force from which you have been able to re cruit for your regular army. It ought not to be forgotten that it has taken • prominent and a glorious part in many of our engagements. Again, a soldier's life is so inconsistent with the feelings and habits of the civil portion of the community, that au increase of the army would necessarily be unpopular; but a militia have, in tact, a double character. In the first place, they are defenders of the country ; in the second, they are promoters of its prosperity ; they mix with all other classes of citizens, and as soon as their military occupatious are over, they are seen living under the same laws, and pursu• hag the same millings as their fellow-subjects. Well, then, it may be said—" What, are we to have a militia, with all the evils and hardships which attend it? Are we to drew away people frees their industrious trades, whether they will or no ? Arc we to give en advantage to the rich, who escape from this service with com parative ease, by paying a sum of money to procure a substitute; and are we to take the poor man from his home, or else drive him to the necessity of selling his goods, his furniture, possibly even his tools, in order to escape from this force ?" No, sir, I say you ought not, except in case of eztremest neeesuity. le ell, then, if you ought not to have recourse to that, in what mode— mace you ought not to add to your army and navy—in what mode should you provide for your defences? Now, perhaps, the house will pardon me if, for • few moments, before answeriag that question, I refer to the law as it has been, and as it ie, in reference to this constitutional force. In former times this country was defended by commissions of array. 'rho militia dame, in its parliamentary provi sions, from the reign of Chas. 11. At that time the lord lieutenants of counties were to select, in proportion to the people's means of contributing towards tho force, either a horseman with arms, or a foot-soldier with arms, or a pro portionate sum of money, where the means of parties were so small that they could not thus contribute towards the defence of the country. By the act of parliament the militia was musts red and trained in regiments once • year for four days together, and in companies four times a year for two days together. So the law continued till the reign of George 11. When danger was over it was thought that this force might be dispensed with, and it was dispensed with. Danger came again upon the nation in 1736, and what did parliament do then? You cannot have forgotten the appeal made to you by the noble lord, the member fur Tiverton, and I think he might have referred to this can firmation of his argument. What, if you will not protect yourselves, if neither the Scotch, nor the Irish, nor the English have courage enough to protect themselves, will they go to Russia, or to Austria, or to some foreign power for mercenary aid to defend their shores ? The noble lord might have referred to the fact that, in 1756, Hanoverian Mops were brought to Unglue!, and that in greet did the people of this country feel the dis trace to be that the very next year saw the passing of the Militia Bill. (Rear, hear.) So the law continued till 1802, when the various alterations which had been made were consolidated together by the celebrated act of parliament, (leo. 111., c. 90. The ballot still re mained ; but there was a clause in the act enabling parishes is vestry to provide their quota by means of • bounty to be paid to volunteers, and I beg the house to attend to this fact, that in neonanee of that provision, from 1809 to 1814, Jae bars than 65,600 men were drawn into tie log SS tin trained volunteers. (Rear, hear.) Thallium, t to those who are in layette of the mks Oiller .1 Well, after the piece it was no longer mmigelswy to 411 out the militia, though it was called outdone, bur times befem-she peace. But since 1831 there lea bees no ballot. But though there has been no ' Ws; de net let the bum run away with the notion that ea en lapis Duthiey for that force. The annual expense (o in eitood eke sight has. gemtleman), was 83,M01., which sum ought sot be be diem away. (Rear, hear.) i bays wind to Ole Wilsey et the militia act for two emeito and I desire to drew tie lassies from it. The bog _is, that it Is as lopievameat on the old hill, by Idea people were sat anapetlel to pay for this force in Noe enipset amending to Itteir ateem. I have referred to Ilia *Om also to show, that oder you provide a military ffiMi enilleient to protect youndos from any danger that my mien, _yea must have rename to foreign aid, and the setuan) will feel the elapses at such a proceeding so deeply, that it will at ones hays remeurse to the militia. My third reason for referring to it is to tubs° that the ballot is tonopeaded by great moesities, great hardships, and mat idatesnatences, whisk may all be got rid of by voluntary gelimments. (Hew, hear.) Having stated this much, it ergi at owe be clear to the house, in which di rection taw pasty's government are inclined to look for the purpose' raising a military force teethe protection of the wawa* In other words, we propose to do it by rais ing, thitsgoll the means of volunteers, • sufficient force for dee moo of defence. (Chan.) But I think, at the NM doe, that the great principle of the act of 41 GOD. 111., c. 91, ought to be maintained, vis e that this fierce should be rendered effective by drilling and training, eo as to be in readiness, at a short notice, for the internal deft nos of the country. (Hear, bear) These are the two great principles on which the measure is founded, which I shall now take the liberty of explaining to the house, and which her Majesty's government submit to your consideration. Ihe measure may be considered in these live points of view : First, with regard to the mode of raising the men ; secondly, with regard to the officer. ; thirdly, with regard to their pay and the c on. sequent expense; fourthly, with regard to th e t erm o f train ing awl discipline ; and fifthly, with regard to the period fur which they shell be enle.ted. As to the first of these five points, an the beet fOOPiiiiration we have given to the subject, we think that the additional fence which will be terinenently required fir the e endorses of defence is 80,000 men. (near, hear.) We think that to note that force in on: year will he difficult by means of bounties, and there for • we propose to limit the number in the first year to 30,000, taking 30,000 on the following year. Another ad vantage whch will be derived thereby is that, instead of leering all the teriede of service terminating at the same time, they *vial terminate et different prick, and cum epiewly t he n• will eilweys ho some trained men in tie force. (liter, !Kau) We pro,esse to raise these men, if we can, by Illfallf of bounties—(hen, hear)—wldels soy be paid either ill one 6/1111 at the time of milistine nt, or, which may he a great convenience to a , v i e variety of loathe portents's:ly to the agricultural , tali Aimee, by meet's ~f lesuler monthly fees. Iwi I suite this point more clearly by-and-bye. (War, hear) We 0.. ense that this shoutirhe regut diet by the Secretegeit- War. Hasty men might wish to have the whole paid down to them—say 31. Of 'lL—others might wish to bete es. or le. tkl. aes inth. The 1 atter, thous*, it would aino.at to more than the sum paid doer, it -greed over a period of live 'move would be a mat advantage to the country, and a imeat einveuieuee to the persona who would have to reeeive it. With regard to the ufficen, there are bite qualifications memined by the set of 41 Mee. 111. Wo think that the se qualifications may be dispensed with for all officers below the rank of major. (Cheers.) We further think that it must he of peat advantage to ham Ma militia officered by men wh6 Mire aerved in the army and who are now on half-pey, ends. propose that all officers who :if enter the militia shall be considered to possess the qu cations re qulred for the higher grades. (Hear, hear.)With regard to the training and discipline, the house is aware that by the present law it must ho called out for training and exercise for 28 days. From the best information we have been able to obtain on this subject, we think that as an ordinary rule 21 days will be suffi cient; bat we think that there are certain eases of emer- gency, when it would be moat advisable to extend that period—(hear, hear).—and other ease* when it would be ad vantageous to reduce it. For this reason the bill will pro vide that the ordinary number of amyl for training and die delis° shall be 21, with a rower to the crown to extend it to 28 days, and also a power to reduce it to 3 days, if it appear necessary. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the circumstances under which the men are or should be embodied, we propose to retain the liatitation of the existing law. (Hear.) The house is aware that the men are embodied by the existing law in cases of actual invasion or imminent danger thereof. We propose that thew should be the circumstances under which the militia should be coabedied. (Hear, hear.) With re gard to the expense that will lie incurred, it will be heavier in the fine year from the necessity of providing for the bounties and also of providing fur the equipment and arms of the force, but if you spread the expense over the whole period of five years, it will amount to 1,200,000/. or to 280,0001. annually. In the first year, in consequence of having to preside for tl.o bountice, the equipment, and the arms, the a serest) will be 400,0e01., or between 3 and 400,000/. Now, we look upon this u a national force, and sines it is to he a nationnl force we consider that another great alteration ought to be made in the law as it now stands. We consider that the expenses ought to be borne by the pudic funds—(ministerial cheera)—and not by bur thens on the local properties. (Renewed cheers.) As the object to be enforced is to he a permanent and a national one, we think, at the same time, thet if any district fails in furnishing its proper quota, for that neglect it ought to be rinnished ; and it has occurred to us that t h e hardship and sea critics of the ballot, tegether with its expense, should be thrown upon that district. Such is the measure, in a short compass, which her Majesty's government have now to submit to the consideration of the house. The reasons for it, and the objects we have in view, I thine I have endeavoured to explain in the course of the observa tions I have made. (Hear, hear.) There is use objection, however, to which I Might refer. That objection is, that I.y raising so large a force of volunteers you must interfere with the recruiting for the arnty. That would boa mos' serious objection. We have consulted the niilitery authorities on the point. and we mire informed, and I bell ye cerrettly, that that objcitien, if not entirely done away with, will be greatly limited by the precisions which we iutend to make with refererce to the ages and height of the men. ( h ear.) The house is aware that a man enlisting in the army "oust not be more then 25 years of age, and that the etaud mil of height is feet 6 inches. We propose that the ages during which persons may voleuteer or be balloted for, shall extend from 18 to 35 year,. The consequence is, that with regard to those men who are upwards of 25 years of age, we shall not interfere with the recruiting for the army, rind as to those under that age, we shall net prevent them from en listing. (Hear, hear.) With reference to the gees tam of height, I may observe that the standard required by the present militia law is 5 feet 4 inches. The height of the Russian infantry of the line is 5 ft. 4 in., in France it is 5 ft. I in. (Loud latighter.) Hon. gentle men may laugh at that; but, though I am speaking in Eng land, we ought never to forget that a nobler or more de voted soldier ne yet existed in the world than the French soleier—(,lnner,)—and if we find that this melee who' bays fought throughout the length and breadth of Europe, base taken into their armies men of fi It. 1 in., we ought not to assume the military capacity is not to be found in men of b ft. '2 in.—which is the height we propose to take —(laughter ant cheers)—or that it it too low • standard. (Continued cheers.) lam well aware that this is a subject which contains in itself so many difficulties, that I ma not have explained myself ma clearly to the house as I should have wished ; l have endeavoured, however— Lord J. RUSSELL—What is the period of 'service ? Mr. WALI'OLE—Five years. I have endeavoured, however, to give you a plain and simple account of the dan• Kernel facts of the case, as 1 believe them to exist with re fereuee to the state of your internal defences. I think I have shown you that there is an absolute necessity for some improvements in your defensive armaments if you intend to ~cure yourselves against all the casualties to which na tions like individuals are equally liable, and to diminish the chances of defence by provisions made in time of peace. If you accept thin measure, I trust you will used us with your counsel end support in accomplishing the object which we must all leave in view, that of preserving to this country • permanent mid effective defence, combining together in i the anxious desire to put the people to as little constraint as you possibly can, and Oen to internee in se small a degree as you aro well able to do aith their ordinary puruits, with their natural occupations. Knowing what will be the feeling of the country if this measure be rejected. I feel you will give a patient consideration to the mea sure which I have now the honour to submit to your consideration. (Prolonged cheering.) The right hon. gentleman concluded by moving that leave be given to the Secretary at War, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and himself, to bring in the bill. Mr. HUME then rase, but was for some time quite in audible, owing to the noise of members leaving the house. The hem gentleman was understood to argue that no ease justifying any increase in our forces had been shown, and waned the house by the example of the great military states of Europe, which were iu a state of bankruptcy, against wasting the resources of the country in needleas reader) , preparations. lie protested against the doctrine that we ought to preside enormous armaments; contended that we were in no danger of being assailed without such notice as would enable us to summon our regular forces; objected to the increase of taxation, and attributed the war panic to the idle half-pay officers of the clubs. He did not think it would be right to oppose the introduction of the bill, though he believed that government would have great difficulty in perimading the house to pass the measure. Sir IL L. EVANS declared his belief that the country was in an unprecedently excellent condition of defence, and that all we had to provide against was some sudden and foolish attack. No hostile armament could be prepared without our having due notice, and steam had placed imme diate concentration of force within our reach. The militia Laws certainly required amendment; but by means of regu lar troops and volunteers, we could place ourselves on a par with any enemy. He much doubted whether the force could be raised by voluntary enlistment, and in that case it would be necessary to adopt some other plan. lie repudiated the suggestion of the pomi sibility of foreign aid, as • gratuitous insult on the people, who, by their oilers of voluntary service, had proved that they were as ready as at any former period to bear arms for the defence of their country. The existing military force, proeerly arranged, with the aid of volunteer corps, would be sufficient to meet any sudden emergency that might arise. lie thought that the house should refuse their con sent to any militia bill until they clearly understood what was to be the conduct of the government with respect to the volunteer corps. Mr. M. GIBSON asked ministers to defer any further proceeding with the measure until eller the promised appeal to the constituencies, and allow it to go to the country as part of their policy. This bill was wholly at variance with Lord l'almereton'e plan, and ho suggested that the noble lard, having turned out one government on the question, should now do justice by turitimg out their successors. No case had been elude out for any increase in our military establishments, much less for an increase so unpopular mid objectionable in its character as a militia. In criticising the details of the Bill, he demanded what ismity was provided for the actual attendance of those who should receive the bounties / And where was the force M be lodged when collected? The country would even prefer an increase of the regular army. There was nothing le justify the proposed iucreasgof militia force. Viscount PALMEIiSION said—l am not about to give ea answer to the call made on me by my right honourable friend (Mr. Gibson) ; for, so far from opposing this measure, as he invites me to do, it is my intention to give to the government any support that is in mg pewee. (Cheers from the ministerial benches.) I eannot but compliment the right ban. gentleman the Se cretary for the Ileum Department upon the very able, for cible, and, to me, satisteetery manner in which he has stated the objects of the measure. (Load cheers.) In my spawn, it is impossible to overstate the necessity of a per manent measure of this kind. It is all very well for hon. gentlemen to talk of our military force, including the troops which are stationed in the East Indies and scat tered and dispersed in every colony, and to tell us that our army is available for the defence of the United Kingdom. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) It is absurd to use such an argu- MUM when it is manifest that that portion of our army so mattered and dispersed cannot be available for our defence nt home. (Hear, heifer My hon. and gallant friend the member for Westminster Imo expressed a doubt as to the macule:ion of the right hon. gentleman as to the mnalluess , of the 'iambs of troops which lie states with our preaent military force could be brought together fur the defence of the capital. But I have seen a cal enlation which has been made on that ',eject, and 1 am consieced by what I have seen and I know that the right hon. gentleman in his calculation has not underetuted time amount—(Bear, hear)—sod I doubt if even that force which he has mentioned could be got toge ther in a few days if it was wanted. (Ileer, hear.) It is true feat we have a large number of shims of war; but, as bee been stated by the right hum gentleman, they could not be ready to put to era at a inunieut's make, because they have not got sailors to man them. (t. lieu," and cheers.) I will go further, and say that even if they were fully manned sad ready to put to sea, it would be phy sically impossible for a navel force to prevent the approach of a large leveeing force if upportunitiex acre properly taken advantage of. !sly hen. and gallant frien.l, the mem bet for IVestraimiter, says that it would not be possible fur a large force to be collected and to are the channel without such preparations being made as would give us notice here of such an intention; but I think he is mi.taki n in I.li estimate of tee facilities possessed by neighbouring countries to melee a format:hie fewer, and to convey it over befere any notice cold he given to us. (" Hear. hair," and ctn. ) Tee very watching ships which would brier us an intimation of an expedition havisig sailed would om his sere any somas than tile expedition itself. (Hear.) 1 eq. th. reform that it is indispensable that in addition to our Day:a force, we should lease istlth u home fince as sw.,hi,l Va. aulliewut to most any clAt:.l.) that 111i4ill Lytton our me.st. (tlear, hour) Ido nut rest the, upitnen ma the nutioli of any insane...halt danger exiting at the present. lity1:11.11:. (Gear, hear.) 1 will admit to any extent that hoe. geuthanen may )lease, that as regards our relations with foreign countries there is no present danger. If there were, this measure would be insufficient to meet it, because it is not one which will raise a force immediately, but oily laps the fonneletion of a permanent arrangement, which will coatings to be acted on in times to come. (" 'fear, hear," mid cheers.) But it is said, if it is news'. sexy to prepare fog the defence of the country, increase our navyand our arm!. The right hog. gentleman the Secretary for the Home Department has fully explained that point, med 1 foresee that occasions may arise, on which it may atec be said that we would not maintain a permanent regu late' army, adequate for the purposes for which a Ear (ores is necessary. but this measure proposes to' force of 80,000 men, periodically drilled, fora sum would only maintain an addition of 8,1100 men to the Millar army. Will any one any that 80,000 men drilled equipped and called out for alleles, would not Le a snore available force than 8,000 men, however superior they might be in discipline and equipment? Another argument which may be used in favour of tick plan is that, etippening there was an augmentation of our regular army, and is two or three year*, from motives of financia. policy or eco nomy, an alteration was again made, unit that additional force was disbanded, the men would he dispersed (as we undentood); but even were we to discontinue the training of this militia force, we should still have the men enrolled, and when danger arose we should leave the means of find ing 80,0di1 men to mid to our force, while, in the other ease, there would be nu other means of eilitaining them than by the ordinary process. (Hear, hear.) The plan of the government seems to me to Ice ge in rally a very good one. I have always thought that volunteer enlistmeni might be substituted li,r the ballot. I think it right that a reward should be given for voluntea tin:, and, as to dividing the bounty into a monthly payment, although mrhaps the majority would meter to r. ciev,i the whole immediate ly, yet 1 think the plan of monthly payment would be a greater security fur retaining the men. But these ore deteils which may lie considered when the bill is berme the house. lam bound to my that the plan is one highly deserting the favour and sanction of the hoes.. (Chem, from the ministerial benches.) My right hon. friend the member fur Manchester says that I ought to find fault with the mea sure because it does not provide fur the defence of Scotland and Ireland. I do not exactly know what the right hen. gentleman the Secretary bir the Horne Dopartment stated on that subject, but I suppose this force is to be raised under the provisions of the Militia Acts, and if it is so raised it is applicable to the defence of any pact of the kingdom. (Hear, hear.) When the government raises a militia by voluutary enlistment, which is to he trained in tim: of pence and embodied in time of war, it is liable to serve in any part of the kingdom. (Hear, hear.) So far from join ing with my right hon. friend (Mr. Oibson) to turn out the government on this measure, I shall be happy to give them every assistance in my power iu a matter of so much im portance to the defence of the country. (Loud cheers.) (Jul. THOMPSON agreed with his lion.and gallant friend, the member for Westminster, with regard to the govt imment having " snubbed" the volunteers who had proposed to enrol themselves; a force which deserved every Encourage ment, as a most important means of defence, nor could he tell why the government should reject a force which Was to pay for itself, and to create another which was to cost 400,0001. a year. The reasons fur this ought to be looked into, and they ought to be able to tell their con stituents what it was that made a militia bill nicess.,ry at all. lie agreed with his right boo. friend the member for Menchester that all further orotecilinge in this matter should be postponed till they ' had ascertained the opinion ;of the constituencies of the country. ' Lord .1 RUSSELL (who was very imorrfectly heard) said-1 am eine of those who think that the defences of the country ought to be increased. It has never app sect to me to be a satisfactory reason agidnst the increase of our defences to say that ee ore at peace with all the world, and that there is no immediate prospect of its being en dangered, for we know ly experience that though there may exist no hostility with other nations , _ and though there may he no apparent prospect of any, that he two or three months there may arise causes of hostility which it may he difficult far the government to meet, and it may not be in their power to prevent such a calamity. And this may often not depend on the disposition of any particular go vernment. Ido not put the question of the necessity of tieing prepared for defence on the existence of the present government of France, or of any other. Wo have a right to consider the present ruler of that country to be as well dispescd toward+ us as any other has been; but he go verns a country imbued with a high feeling of honour and of keen susceptibilities when it supposes itself to he injured. While there are two such notions, putting aside all other nati ma in Europe and the United States, influenced by such feelings, it is impossible to say that no cause of hos tility is likely to arise. Five years ago, when everything was tranquil and no one was dreaming of war, an injuty was done to one of our consuls in the South Sea Islands. Sir Hubert Peel, then Prime Minister, .came down to the house and stated that it was a wanton in jury, and that re• paration must be demanded. If the government of Frame on that eceasion had said that no injury had been done, and that no reparation would be given, a grave cause of hostility would have sprung up at once. The government of France, as this country only required a moderate repara tion, concede' it; but I believe that the Prime filinister of France would have been more popular if he had not con sented to grant any indemnity in the case of Mr. Pritchard. We never can say that no cause fur war is likely to arise. Bat, agreeing as I do that our means tel defence ought to be increased, I heard with pleasure the very able statement of the right hon. gentleman the Secre tary for the Home Department. (Hear, hear.) At the same time I cannot say,,that while he was clear and explicit with regard to parts of the measure he proposes, there were other parts which not Ix ing so agreeable I suppose, in con formity with the rule laid down by Horace, he was anxious to avoid. The great difficulty in proposing a militia is the ballot. (Rear.) The right hon. gentleman proposes to raise 80,000 volunteers, but if he does not obtain the whole number of volunteers ho must resort to the ballot. I should have wished to have heard some explanation with regard to the mode of taking the ballot, whether it is to take place in the unions, which are to he made districts for that pur pose, and what class of persons will be subject to :t. I should like to have heard whether those who are urawn will be allowed to have substitutes; and whether all the men— whether thou who are leilloted for, or volunteere, aro to be allowed to provide substitutes, who shall be liable to five years' service in case of danger of invasion, so that if in three months after they are enrolled, if hostilities were to break out, they would be subject to five years' service. This is a question to which it is important that we should receive an answer, so that we should know what will be the state of the law. For although the right hon. gentleman seemed to be confident that volunteers would lc obtained, ' I have not a perfect persuasion that they will be forth. coming ; fur although the payment of a bounty of If. might . induce them to come out for it days' training, I sin not sure that it would be equally efficacious for all other occa- ' slam. I think as regards the system of giving an option of Ireceiving the bounty of 41. at once or by monthly payments, Irztill run the risk which the noble lord tho member for on has pointed out, and that the bounty of 1 el. will generally be accepted at once, but the monthly payment will not bo so readily rewired. The right hon. gentleman says that by spreading out the bounty it will amount to half-a-crown a month, or one penny a day, which, although it may be a fee which a volunteer for the militia might accept, I do not think in the Court of Chancery it would be considered • great temptation. ("Hear ' hear," and a laugh.) If you do net obtain the full number of volunteers, or even if you should obtain 50,000 in the first year, as the right hon. gentle man expects, yet if '20,000 or 30,000 are wanted in the second year y -.0 would be obliged to resort to the ballot. Ido not two that any act of parliament could create any satisfactory mode of procuring such a number of men without having recourse to the militia laws and put• ting the ballot in force in some shape or another. It is desirable that we should know in what manner the ballot is to he adopted, and whether it will apply to particular districts and to a particular class. I have formed but an imperfect notion of the measure of the right hon. gentle man even after his very clear statement, but as one who wishes that there should be immediate means taken for the defence of the country, I think it would be mast unjust were I to off:* any opposition to the introduction of the bill. (Rear, hear.) For my part, for the remains I have before stated, and for the reasons which the right hon. gentleman has stated to-night, I prefer a large militia force of this kind to any increase of the regular army. At the Mae time, it is a matter not only for us, but tor the senntry to judge of, and it there is su great a repugnance in the country to this plan as seine persons would have us think, that may be a reason for not adopting it, hot not for an abandonment of all measures for the defence of the Country ; although I should be sorry if it was found neces sary to have recourse to an increase of our regular Wiwi gather than to the militia. lam glad that the noble lord the member for Tiverton has expressed his ready approval Blythe introduction of this measure, because when I brought la a bill which only applied to England, he said that its it gad sot extend to Scotland and Ireland, it was as if I had mid " that all Seelthmen ware cowards and all Irishmen Itraitors." (" Hem, hear," and laughter.) Now the right hon. gentleman has proposed a measure of the same kind; it is different in other respects, but it is the sent: in this re epee that it only raises a militia in England which may he sent to any part of the United Kingdom, but it does not propose a Scotch or Irish militia. (Hear, ear.) 1 am g lad, therefore, that the objections of the fool& iord do not apply to this measure. ("Hear, hear," and laughter.) I ant glad that the nohle lord considers that the Scotch may not torn traitor*, and that the Irish may remain loyal, t yen though a militia be not called out in their countries. (Cheers.) With regard, however, tee this propoeal i,...ii, I hope that the right hon. guttleinan will give us Old estimate, as nearly its he eau, as b, the exact expense; for I own it appears to me that the expo nee will he eery lorge. No doubt the right hon. ventleninn has gone through the celeulations, and he will probably there - fore give us a satis factory statement. ear, hear.) 'there is one seeeneet, connected as I thi ne-and as I am sure the hilliSt• will think—with a bill involving increased expense s, upon w hieh I hope soon to hear the determination of the government. I refer to theouettion of ways:and means-the question es:to the mode in which this meets'e is to be borate (Neer, beer.) I hope that the right hon. gentle man the Chau wiler of the Exchequer will inform us speedily what he intends to do with regard to the renewal of the income tex. The income tax expires, as the hosise is aware, on the Bth April next; and, unless the Ins is renewed nt once, the dividends payable in July may he paid without any deduction. (Rear, Lear.) I MU lent at all 'Atm!: for any flit sic iol:stasement let yr...se iit ; I ant only e•xpeessing 5 hope that no long time will elapse before we receive deft. nitirc information 116 to the views eel the government on this poled. Mr. WAI.POLF.—In mower to the ire.tions pot to me. 1 hare tu Ntate that it X. propo..•d to take the registrar. general's district u tlto division which i. to furnish the men, in clolaCqUellllo of the convenience of rc'erring to the last census of IS.iI, and because we could fix the quotas derive{ from the diftment divisions more easily by taking those ins triets than by taking parishes. With respect to the ballot, it is ob v:ous that we mutt fall back upon that in owe of the renlistmentAl voluntary falling short of the numb •rs we want. With regard to the expense of such a force, if 3!. a loan was paid ea bounty, the sum required for the first 50,1 M U m a would be 150,000/. • and the 30,000 seen to be raised restyear would cost 00,4001. 01 course, if the bounty was st, the expenditure would be somewhat more. The pq and allowances to 50,000 men with officers would be for 21 87,129/.; marching money for men joining oral returning, 6,2501. • carriage of baggage, 5,000/. ; ehdleug, at 1/. Iris, a man:93,6131.; extra 11110N4lICCI to innkeeper.. 15,O011.; making a total for 1832 of 207,012/. The 30,000 men pro , posed to he enrolled for 1853 would entail an additional et. !sense of 38,027/.101. for the 21 days' training ; with 3,823/, for marching money; 2,180/. fur innkeepers' allow:oa t , • clothing, at 11 . 15s. Inv man, 53,530/. ; makine, wi t h some allowances for medicine, &e., a total cap( oditure r the two years of 311,9321.;; deducting the cost of clothing provided in 18.52 (93,063 L), the total cost of 90,600 men for 1833 would be 218,2 , 48/. • and again, deducting the cot of clothing in 1843 (33,3341.), the cent of tritium; for 1:4;1 would he 161,7381 The coat for flee years, he heliesvd, might be taken to stand thus :—For 1832, 2011,01 W.; to, 18.33, 210,0001.; fur 1b;i1, 100,000 t. ; for 18:3.5, 160,Gnoh ; for 1830, 100,000/. Mr. BRIG lIT.—Is the ballot to extend from IS yeart of age to 34 years of age ? Mr. WALPOLE.—Yes: that is a limitation from the o ld rule of 10 years. Mr. DIM I IT. —And an addition of 10 years, distinguish. ing the proposal (ruin that of toe noble 1 Rd. Mr. J. DUFF hoped that this bill would nut lie 'ut terer...ll with, for he considered that ouch u me oare e as tautly of the character which ought to be ouiminted, in the first place, to the constitut ncies of that (Dent) Mr. COBDEN said—The right hon. gentetuan ul.o has introduced this proposal to-night, as if to utak, a moil.. es of it, and as if to leave as without a shadow of pr tens a to go with to our constituents, has gat, d, speaL i e, nith the precise knon ledge he has uu doubt acquired iu aim, that we are in a safer (state now, as respect. dattp re of hostilities, than we ever were before. A !: - .Tau n t officer be !dad me (Sir De ',ley Evan.) rt Kr , seating a most populous and wealthy city, tier ct i o f Westminster—that constituency which we wer told wa , t o have been invaded and even i.illaged by a foreign e,u 1 ) got up to night to protest against this measure ; h e gave us ell the weight of his professional authority, ,t , that it would be impossible for a foreign enemy to C 0;... such a force as would be wanted to invade the, cno.!r,, with such a rapidity as to take tIP by surprise that ; it could not be done without giving us adequate wcraiag and time for preparatioa. The not& lord, the meatier tor Tiverton, euttttatliets that; hut I suppose that the tie lord's military capacity, entitling him to sneak on the question, ran only he that of a militia-man. (11 ~r, hcar.) Tbe noble lord gives it as his °Mai ~,,, that it sse,,w, be perfectly easy fur an enemy, on the other oithe of the Channel, to prepare his invading force with each sudd..n• nos that in our prevent circumstances we would be pr. ni rally defenctless. (" Ileac, hear," Iron Lord Palmer :,.• .) The noble lord cheer, that sentiment. Eat 1 re any thii.i; that in such a stutter as this we ore not at all to defer to the opit.ions of this or that member of the ; for there are hiouvical facts which may qui.le us very wily. (Hear, hear.) This invasion of England, your wa, contemplated 01100 by Napoleon the °feat. 111,re is certainly an historical controversy whether he ra!ly ever was white. in the design, but at any rite he acted es tlmugh he were in tamest, and it was balers.: that he would attack our 6hons. It was frup;.,ettl that not less than teen were to he brouOtt oen.s the Channel, as the least force that could be ou r . nipl7,;ii And it took twelve months to prepare for as the, ; I n ~a-ket ket the force in all the ports on the mace side of the Channel, French and Dutch; and, coca afti r ail tlaa, Napoleon did not venture to make the att eek. (lb er, hear.) Take smother instance. Tile same Naracen reale a so-called sudden attack on Egypt. In that case them were not 150000 men ; there were only 40,0a0 men; Lot those 40,000 men required 400 or 500 truinport, to carry them, and their camp equipage, and their ataaa, &c., to Egypt ; and, in getting ready for the expedition, there were months of slow preparation. The matter, indeed, has Leen settled by sound military authority, which decides that a great army cannot make a sudden descent on our coast, because, being a great army, we could anticipate it ; and, now the clanger is said to have surprise e n ha ose n' a a r and :o w ( , a , small t wa c., body told te , opftlha contemplate 0 0: 0, h o w e a r y e l to d a , „0: 4 (1:1L :I d ..': ..i g . i , . 3i 2 , . it t :e! , , against us, for the mere purpose of doing nuacha f, knowi,ia that they marmot get hick, and ready, therefore, to he sacrificed ? Would a militia prevent such a gangue rulatas coming over ? Why, the ea . ..tome ofa militia would inena , e the danger ; for such a luaatic gang of ruffians would think it then a far wiser plan to come over individually, to get regular passports, to distribute themselves :islet the country, and to increase the mischief by dividing the mur der and devastation. (Laughter.) Yes, you I:ugh ; bat it really reduces deaf to this absurdity. (Hear, hear.) I can't treat the thing as serious. Haut stems to me to be this : that somebody wants to create soldiers ; that lords lieutenants want patronage and fuss ; that somebody elm seeks amusement with red coats; and I do not believe that anytoily in thin country seriously en tertains the fear of au invasion by France. (Hear, hear.) All the, a•vidence proves that the French go vernment is contemplating anything hut an attack on *hie country, or on any other. Would any govern meet undertake to arnica the Five per Cents. into Fust-and-a-Halfs, if it was contemplating a war? I tut it to hon. gentlemen whom I ate arouud me, capitalist who are making railways in France, whether there ever was co much English capital going user to France. to mace rail roads, so at this moment? (Hear, hear.) You surely sea not sending your money acmes to a nation which is hut a nation of banditti, who would taake war on you without cause, and without declaring war ? (near, hear.) Why, in making a proposal like this, you ask us to Like leave of o .r senses. You are assuming that France would make war 014 you without calculating the consequences that mut: befall the commerce, the property, and the lives et an, people wantonly assaulting a country of such vast ureaas Eagland. (hear, hear.) You assume that F e does not calculate the retribution that would follow . n her crime. You speak and seem to think of Frame as of a body of ancient Scantliusviunx, without commerce or industry, with nothing to lose, looking only to pil lage and plunder, aria indiftvent to the consequences to themselves of piracy. (blear, hear.) Why, what is France ? There is as real an amount of portable wealth in France as in England. You talk of your Batik. There is more bullion in the Bank of l'aris than in the Bank of London. Do you ask me to deal with such a people as with barbarians, as pirates—a people without common sec.., and not able to tee two inches beyond their noses ? I beg to remind you that the French nation is only second to our selves as a manufacturing people. After England the ma nufactured productions of France are the largest of any country in the world. With the exception of Eng land no country depends so much on its supply of raw materials, to carry on its manufactures, u France. 1`2711. Beat, manufactures more for exportation than any other three capitals in Europe. France is a great iialuarious nation, which has given pledges for good behaviour, which has vast interests at make binding it over to keep the peace in regard to Its neighbours. (Hear, hear.) You ask me to forget all this, and to assume that this Fiance, without pro- vocation or motive, is going to assail our shores. But I can not forget all this; and I cannot assume so much while 1 ten these chances against any invasion of England from France. You do more. You ask me to enter at once, on this ram ra:itioa, into expenses which would amount to some very imp ortent taxes we want to get rid of. My right hon. friend (llr. Oilman) iv labouring year after year to induce you to take off the ..taxes on knowledge." Why if we are to ionic the coat of a militia, we cannot take off those most improper Imposts. Again, the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Frewee) desires to relieve the suffering farmers of Eat Kea from the duties 011 hops; but a militia would absorb act touch money that those duties would have to remain on. I tales all Otis into consideration. Certainly, if you could Flay at soldiers without toeing the people. or If you would conscut to tax property instead of industry, it would tan a different thing. But you will not; and therefore your militia world mean a continuance of taxes on industry and a retention era tax on intelligence. (near, hear.) I ask for reasons for these proposals. There the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) meets us and puts it te, a matter of asto&ehme ut that we should demand 11.3,011 F. We are at peace, he bays, its doubt ; but that is no ream why we should not prepare for war. After some further remarks the hon. member asked where was this tendency to increase our armed force to end ? Already we hail twice the number of uniforms maintained in 183 a, and awe went on in this way, we should in another .10 years of piece have es many as France , had. There had been no nein act on the part of France againrt this country ; Ina it was cowar dice to be constantly asking preoaratious of defence against imaginary dangers. When it was said our stand ing army was scattered over the colonies, it merited to be forgotten that the whole expense of that army was lamb by Great Britain and Inland; and now we had establialed free trade ' would it not become a question with the consti tuent-ice of this country whether these colonies should tot pay fur their own defence ? It had been hinted the other night, that if we brought our chips from the M e diterraucan to the Channel. France would do the came ; but that we nt I to show, that if we brought ours home, and laid them CP I in ordinary, Freace would do the name. Believing the measure wholly miners, try, he should oppose it in i v TV 'tj • ge, alujor BEUESFORD staid the hon. gentlemen btu made a tour a pears and goad will throughotit b. , ' '`'. soil he returned in 1847, prophesying the reign el a , .l* ecru! conconl, not only its France but throughout Enrol , . and yet thu year after there were wars and rumour , ea wars, not only between hostile nations, hut elli'P•11 , .'n brink al against citheetis, and they cut each others thirsts by wholeeale. (.. Oh, oh," and hear.) Ile , 4.1.1 not, therefore, place implicit confidence in the hon. roalti , '" a now, when on the ocen,ion to which he referred lie e..- m tried and found so decidedly wanting. V* Oh, eh...) 'l b hon. gentleman India, that whru li:ipolron nuiit.t , dJa invasion of this country in dada, he amid no . t bad se l' enough tl/ umpire/ has army. But the hon. eaol a or forgot that the mvention of meant made the greatest aide', mice in that respect. (Bear, hear.) And when tic' Loas gentlemen said that railways gave them the power oteara estieratiug a military force in a short time in the seta?! o f England. in ease of en invasion, he forgot that the y ,aa iitawioir:y. Irmo; e i k a n . : a t h n h . e:n r i t . i i it e h i I t o ' n a f w ppe e T France a fo concen trating r he t . h e i p a u r: . p a h o LI: 1 ~ t o .' il , t r :. ;" . , had so large an army—larger then slip ?antra d t . he nee die pitmen, s—this Gauntry ought aot to he 1, ft i ..a...e: ditiou in which , he would nut bu at tu to de 1. n.I '-e ., l• (Hear, hear.) But it wan not la.eall'e they were a ''"'' dimout on :m aisn clesi cointis r na' a t t i l ' e nTY : a i th nrge"" mas a " t n toll'irle:fa'cc. greatt should protectingtl ab i a me :i ul ' herself.7s2 t t :: f l 1 4 wteh l Ai t is' times ll , . ~ l :L ' a 2i h i l t because they 11/ratted a hostile form from Boulogne. " 4°Y