The Express. — London, England, 1848-07-31 00:00:00

co i th sii Ti in co . of F co I ' ti i tt in IT T bl of ti ri I. in i II 1 , b I '1 b i l l . e 1 I 1 1 1" t i 1 - , e . I I a' 1 li\l\ I i I , I n : . I 1' e 1 IMPER AL PARLIAMENT. NOUSE OF COMMONS.—SATURDAT, JULY 29. The &teacart took the chair at 12 o'clock. THE SLATE OF IRELAND. Mr. M. J.O'CONN ELL opened the adjourned debate bya complaint that he was called on to address the house in the absence of ministers. He rose fur the purpose of adding his humble, but earnest, r: monstrance against the do notning policy of the present government. Irish members had had often to complain of former ministries; but to all pr. vious ministries this credit, at least, was due, that whether their measures w. rc good or bed, they earned them. (Hear, heir.) Even that merit the present government had no claim to, It had b,en said that to do wrong was better than to do n-thine ; and, paradoxical as that proposition might appear, he believed in regard to Ireland it was true. The house had passed three successive measures this session to suppress agrarian outrage, which arms from popular discon tent. 01 the first two he had taken his full share of raven. gibing . , nor did he wish to shrink from that responsibe ilould ity now—(h ar, hear); end had he been present hsh certainly have supported the third--t hear, hear), believing, as he did, that it would tend to the benefit of the Irish people. kie regretted that the hon. member for Midelleses, tit his able speech of th e p revious evening, had gone into topics which at this moment lie thought it was most unfit to advert to. (Hear, hear.) Should any disturbance break out in Ireland, he hoped the government would put it down with determination, but coupling that determination with all passible kindness. {Hear, bear.) With regard to the church church question, a time like this was peculia unlit to deal with that subject, which, of all others, required for its eiti•fac:ory settlement the deepest consideration in the calmest memeiits. Ile feared, however, that should civil war unfortunately break out, it would be impersible for long to keep religious differences out of consideration, or to pre vent the coot at from becoming a religious war between Roman Catholic and protestant. It was impossible that the religious questien could ever be settled in Ireland except oa the principle of compromise, and in that compromise they must not lore sight of the rights of the protester t laity of the middle and lower classes. (Hear, hear.) There were many who desired to see the church queatioa settled with reference to vested interests, mealtime thereby that they would not de prive existing incumbents of their property ; but in his view the c lurch did not consist of the clergy only. (Hear, hear.) These were other vested interests besides those of the clergy. Differing in this respect from the noble lord, he believed the present establishment was larger and more amply paid than the spiritual wants of the people required ; but be this as it might, any settlement of the question, to be complete and ea tistactory,must included reasonable and respectable provision for the ministration of the church to the protestants of the middle and lower classes who had been brought up in that church, and who had a vested interest in the strictest sense of the words. With regard to the extension of the franchise, though he should be glad to see a measure on that subject pen this year, yet he felt that whether it poised this year or three or fear y ewes hence, it was not to be put in compa rison with some measure for giving the people the power to live, by affording them i mployment. (Hear, hear.) He im plored ministers, if possible, before the session passed away be t st all events at the very earliest period in the next ero sion, to devise m:ans for carrying out that vital object to the Irish peopl (neer, hear.) He regretted that the Landlord and Tenant Bill had not passed, the more so as it would be more easy now to check the extravagant expectations which were entertained in some parts of Ireland as to the extent to whicn parliament would interfere between landlord and tenant—(hear, hear) —than it might be in another year s when popular opinion might be less apathe tic. There were soma, he believed, who thought the tanant-farmer should be a small landlord, and, perhaps, the labourer a small landlord too but such a change would place them in a worse posi tion than that in which they now stood. If parliament ne glected its dial of settling this question it would abdicate as important part of its functions. Then, as to waste lands, the acclamation of these as a means of affording profitable em ployment to the people had been recommended so far back as 1810 or 1811, afterwards by the poor-law commission, by the noble lord (J. Russell) himself in 1845, and by the right hon. gentleman, the present chief commissioner of the poor law, who in the mast able speech, he (Mr. M. J.O'Connell) had ever heard on Irish affdrs, in recommending the extension of the principle of the English poor-law and the right •0 relief to Ireland, admitted that the Irish pro pr.etors might with justice complain that such a law brought at once into operation would lead to the confiscation of all Irish property —this was prcv.oua to the failure of the potato crop, in 1S and that it would be most unjust for parliament to extend the English poor law to Ireland, with out at the same time affording the largest facilities for giving employment to the people. And the right hon. gentleman especially referred to the reclamation of waste lands as a means of giving such employment ; and, after referring to the large sums granted to abolish slavery in our colonies, added that if a large grant were necessary for the purpose of employing the pee* in reclaiming the waste lands of Ire land parliament ought not to hesitate to make it. (Hear ) The spirit of observations was afterwards adopted by the noble lord (J. Russel-) when he introduced his series of Irish measures in 1847, and promised those aids without which it Wee admitted that the poor-law, especially in the distressed dis tricts of the south and wet of Ireland, could not satisfactorily or efficiently hi carried out. Now, however, even the pro• mise of such aids was withdrawn ; and as the Landlord and Tenant Lill teal been blown down by re puff from one hon. bazeiet the member for Cavan, the Waste Lands Improve ment Bill hail fallen beneath a joke of the right hon. baro net (Sir It. Peel). Then as to railways and other produc tive work.. Ireland had been the victim of several misfor tunes. The great benefit which the application of govern ment loans to the opening up of railway communication was calculated to confer, was proved by what had already been done. In the great line between Dublin and Limerick, which had been carried out by the aid of such advances, an addition of seven miles, recently opened, had increavet the traffic ;001. a week. (Hear.) He admitted, on principles of economy, that public money or public credit ought not to be advanced in aid of public works, unless such works could ht shown to be of advantage to the country; but he would put it to the most strict economist whether it was not cheaper to pay labourers in Ireland than to pay soldiers ? (Hear, hear.) So long . as destitution and distress prevailed in that country to their present frightful extent, they could not hope for tranquility. He hoped government would take the matter into their early consideration and deter mine whatever measures they thou4let it poodble to carry, to produce them speedily, and to press them on against alt op • position, and despite of pressure from without or within. (H .ar, hear.) If they found they could not carry measures which they believed to be necessary for the benefit of the country into operation, as honest men and as statesmen they bad but one course to pursue—that was, to re sign their offices to those who cull& (Hear. hear.) There appeared to be much individual good feeling in the gevernment—unfortunately it produced but little collective result. There appeared to be but little unanimity of will in ;he cabinet, and the consequence was, that the good intentions of some individual members of it were never carried into effect; but if this de.nothing policy were con tinued, it needed no spirit of prophecy to Say what would be the result. If expectations which bad been held out were not to be realised, the history of Ireland for the next 10 years might be written within the next 10 minutes. (Hear, hear.) The present disturbances, he hoped, would be suppressed bloodlessly ; but put down they must be : and the authority of the sovereign, which he respected and believed to he essen tials to the interest and the liven of the poorest as well as the richest of the Irish people, must be maintained. (Cheers.) Under ordinary circumstances he should not have voted for such a motion; but, as he thought it conveyed a proper and well-deserved rebuke, not only to the gevernment but to the house for Ps shortc +miues, he should give it his cordial support. Meier BLACRALL thought the speech of the hon. mem ber for Middlesex (Mr. (Monte), on the previous evening, was likely to be the more micWi vans for its brilliancy. That hon. gentleman attribated almost all the evils of Ire land to the established church. (Hear, hear.) His experience of the Reiman catholic population of Ireland led him to the conclusion that they had no prejudice against nor wish to inlet.e the protestant church establishment- In his opinion, the great mistake which had been made in legislating for Ireland, wa, the giving a permanent character to measures called for by a temporary necessity. The mea sures which had met with the most success during the present session were those which tended to f zee into the market large cocaine of brisk property, at a time when it must be sold at a deteriorated price. The particular measure to which he alluded might be an excellent one in itself, but it was not the le g islation mist wanted at the present moment. What they wanted wee assistance through their di tress, and a means or employing their surplus population. There was no measure which required amendment more than the Irish Poor Law. lie was not opposed to the principle of the law ; on the contrary, he had endeavoured, and sucecasfully, to carry it out, but he felt that his was an exceptional con, and that if it had not been go he would not have been able to make the leer work at all. In hie electoral district there were only three or four landed proprietors, and those by acting in harmony together hail made the law work, but in district:, where the number of proprietors was large there was the grestest difficulty and often irepoesibility in making the law work. He approved of a suneetion which had been treated with some ridicule in that house, namely the holding of a periodical session of parliament in Ireland for the despatch of Irish businem, and he was enntirmed in his opi nion by a petition in favour of the proposition which he held in his hand,signed by the whole of the erund jury of Westmeath, a body c f gentlemen representing 50,0001. a year property. With respect to the motion before the house, whatever he might think of it in the abstract. yet not deeming the present an expedient moment for brit: g gin it forward, he felt boned to euppert the amendment of the noble lord. Mr. P. SCROPE apologised, mean English member, for in terfering in the diaenssion, hut England was as much inter ested in the state of Ireland as Ireland herself, for if civil war broke out. in Ireland, the expense of suppressing it must all fall on the working classes of England. (Hear.) He re gretted that the speech of the noble lord at the head of the government was no: more encouraging to Ireland, although he quite cencurred with the noble Ind in thinking that the great evils which afflicted Ireland were those of a social character. (Hear, hear.) The main grievance of Ireland was the dessiteition of the people. (Heer. hear.) It was many years since one of the most able and eloquent men that Ireland had ever produced, the late Dr. Doyle, had warnedthemef the consequences of neglecting that destitution. He had:stated that the unrelieved poverty of Ireland would go on and be neglected until it would come on at last like the shock of an earthquake, executing th on your head the vengeance of heaven. He (Mr. Scrape) asked the house whether the prophecies of Doctor Doyle were not likely to come to pass ? (Hear, hear.) Doctor Doyle approved of an Irish poor law, and so did he (Mr. Stripe), but he objected to that provision in the law which they had obtained after forty fever years' struggling, which enabled lanolerde to get rid of tenants holding more than a quarter of an sere of land. His belief was that the sway exercised by the landlords over their THE EXPRESS, MONDAY EVENING, JULY 31, 1848, things for Ireland ; hut he saw ample excuse for them in the utter confusion which impeded the progrem of business in that house, and the utter confusion so oppreseive to any government whatever arising from the infinite sections into which the two great political parties had been gradually split. The hon. member vindicated the claim of the Irish church to the unwavering protection of parliament. It was rather singular to hear bon. gentlemen who denounced the prin . ciple of the Roman catholica being called upon to pay or a church to which they did not belong put forward at the same time the proposition that the protestants of Ireland should pay for a church to which they did not belong. There were largo "lasses of our fellow -countrymen who deeply felt that, to make any public endowment for the Roman catholic church would be a national sin, involving the nation tom• milting it in the awful peril of a national judgment. After a few words from Mr. GRACP and Mr. R. Gitartrae, The house divided—For the amendment 24 Against it POOR LAW UNION CRAIWES (BILL No. 2). The house then went into committee on this bill pro forme:, for the purpose of enabling a clause to be withdrawn. which, after comidercile opposition on the part of some hon. members from Ireland, was not persevered in by the right hon. member fur Liskeard, who has charge of the bill. The house adjourned at half-past seven o'clock. tenants was at the bottom of the ciscontent of the Irish pea sentry. (Hear, hear.) What the Irish people meant when they cried out " Ireland for the Irish:" was the right to live and obtain subsistence in the land o wn their dirt Eight thousand landlords in fee had the . po et . swping from the face of Ireland the whole of its populauon. (Oh, oh.) Perhaps he usgerated—he meant to say the power of sweeping s uper ior their estate , . (Hear, hear.) Take the most class of Ireland, and see what was their notion of a cure for Irish evils. Lord Fin. william had stated that the first step is the improvement of Irish estates must be to get rid of seven millions of cottiers, and this, too, from the owner of half a county. (Hear, hear.) humanely, of course, contemplated getting rid of them by emigration, but there were many Irieh land. lords who exercised their power, without taking any precau tions against its consequeimer._lie (Mr. Scrope) disputed the position, that clearance was necessarily the fint step to im provement, and he had been delighted to hear the noble lord at the head of the government express his opinion that small farms might be made to maintain the population in comfort. The bon. member proceeded to real extracts from the report of Capt. Kennedy relative to the number of ejectment& which had been carried out during a period of six months in the Kilrush Union, It appeared that nearly 1,600 had been served, and the houses of the e j ected par.in were levelled with the ground. They all could recollect the ferment created in England by ono ejectment, and the rasing of the house—he meant Lord Grantley—but here were 1,500 hewn levelled in six months, and the unfortunate inmates turned out to all the miseries of disease and famine. Similar uses had occurred on the estates of Lord Ventry and the E id of Imam, the estates of the latter being situated in the wont districts in Ireland. The landlords at present pursued the system of driving the people into the workhouse, and when they got them there, of rasing their cottages to the ground. That wan the main grievance under which the people suf fered, and which the government were hound to remedy. Those people who hail no tenant right in Ireland were liable to be turned out at a few months' warning, or at a few days notice by eject rent process. They, therefore, must bo under alarm of a constant and most frightful character. They ex pected to be turned out of doors to die in a ditch, or be obliged to receive an amount of relief under a Id. per day. The government should pries a law giving tenants a right to compensation for improvements created 'oy their own industry. If a tenant came into pee session of land worth 10s, per are, and by his industry made it worth 30s. per acre, he was entitled to the 10s., the worth of the improvement. The principle of giving the tenants a claim to compensation :for improvements ought to he carried out in the Landlord and Tenants Bill. Justice could not be elope to them otherwise ; and they could not expect that the Irish people would be contented. The tenants had as good a claim to compensation for their improvements as the land lords had to their fee simple. They should also pass a law to protect the evicted rople from the misery that accrued to them, and to prevent the wholesale depopulation that was now going on. lion. gentlemen talked of dispos ing of the surplus population of Ireland. Ile be lieved that emigration was unnecessary, and that there was sufficient land lying waste in Ireland to support the unem ployed if they were set about reclaiming it. He called upon the government to step in with some law of that kind to re. Save the people of Ireland. He concluded by supporting the motion of die hon. member for Rochdale. Sir G. GREY said that, after the speech of his noble friend (Lord J. Russell), who, in following the hon. gentle man who opened the debate on the previous evening, folly answered all the arguments which were brought forward by hon. gentlemen to cast censure on the government, he hit it unnecessary for him to occupy much of the time of the house ; and he would not have risen to address them, but that he thought it would hdly b onsidered revs ctful if slime member of the go ve rn m e n t s did not reply. The speech of the noble lord, which was both mild and concilia tory in its tone, showed them that they had passed all the measures for Ireland which it was in tone power of govern ment to propose, or for parliament to adopt, for the remedy of those evils which by universal admission existed in Ireland. Having listened to every speech which had neon made in the course of the debate, he could not help noticing the disagreements that existed between ! the hon. gentlemen who censured the government as to the remedies which they would propose. There were only two hon. gentlemen who concurred in a remedy, while the greater number of them agreed that evils existed which required remedies, and notwithstanding the difficulty they found in agreeing,: they thought that parlia ment was able to devise remedie'. and that it was the duty of government to adopt them. (Hear, hear.) lie (Sir G. Grey) did not mean to say that parliament could do nothing to remedy those evils that affected the social system in Ire lead, anti still less did he mean to say, as had been stated by the hon. and gallant member for Middlesex, that the govern ment sat with folded arms and looked on with apathy at these evils without seeking to remedy them. The hon. and gallant member, he believed, was not in parliament last year, and did not know the circumstances under which the government came into power. If he had any knowledge of the conduct of the government since that time he would tele him whether the government did not briag in measures affecting the political character of Ireland, and lie would ask him whether Ireland was neglected by them in the year 1847. After the acces sion of the government the disease of the potato crop, accom panied by a deficient harvest throughout Europe, brought on a calamity in a most aggravated form, and of unequalled severity in Ireland, reducing the population of that country to starvation. Tie symptoms of that disease and the coming calamity appeared in the previous year ; and the govern ment had, with reference to these circumstances, passed a bill to mitigate its eev , city. Its severity fell on Ireland in the years 1816 and 1S111; and he must remind the has, and gallant gentleman that day alter day, week after week, and mouth after month during that period, the attention of this house was occupied with the c. ncerns of Ireland, and he was of opinion that the government would be neglecting a great and most important duty, if at that time they introduced measures affecting the church and the franchise in Ireland, instead of alleviating the miseries of the people. (Hear, hear.) Hon. gentlemen stated that expectations were held out by the government to the people of Ireland, and had not been fulfilled. The honour able and gallant member for Middlesex said that he spoke as an English member. lie (Sir U. Grey) understood that he 'had property in Ireland; and he would ask him whether . he conceived that the time of the government or of parliament was misspent in 1847 in providing for the wants of the poor—[Mr. OSBORNE: Yes} —and in directing their earnest e oleavours to mitilate the ea' a;nity which oppressed the people? It was sold that the government had passed no measures for the benefit of Ireland, the only measures they introduced were two coercion Milt, and a bill for the suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act. Now, he would ask the hon. and gallant gentleman whether he was prepared to get up in his place and deny that there was any necessity for these measures; or whether he could say that they were opposed by English or lush members? The first act to which the hon. and gallant gentleman alluded was eminently successful in preventing assassination, inasmuch as he cou.d state that from the day on which it received the royal event assassination was tot committed, and there was no reason for believing that either life or property was inse cure. With reference to the next act, the hon. and gallant gentleman would remember that the French revolution took place in February, and gave a great impulse to the feelings co the people of Ireland. The government then had to deal with a seed ,1 state of circumstances which were not expected at 'he commencement of the session, when the government had made premises. With regard to the bill for the suspen sion of the Habeas C irpus Act the; hon. and gallant gentle man stated that he at first thought that ho should air sent himself from the house, yet on reflection he took the more honourahle and manly course of coming down and avowing his support of the measure. %Sott right, then, had he to taunt the government for having main tained law cod authority in Ireland for the protec tion of the lives of her Majeaty's subj, cts in that coun try ? He could not reproach the government with having acted in that manner, and for postponing the consideration of measures which in quieter and more ordinary times would be entitled to their first and most especial consider& Lion. (lean) The hon. and gallant g ntleman Mil not confine his observations to the present government. He alluded to the suspe n sion of the 'Habeas Corpus Act in the year 1803, but he seemed to think *hat the period which had since elapsed was a dreary hiank, and that nothing had been done for the people of Ireland. Many hills hail been passed sines that period which effected the people of Ireland. Ile would ask him what was the state of the statute book as affecting the Roman catholic people of Ireland in 1103, and to contrast their position then with their position now, lie would ask him to look at the etrugolcs that had taken place in parliament till the year 1881), when the Emancipation Act was pawed. Mr. OSBORNE—How was it passed ? Sir G. GREY was not g'iine to say how that and several other acts were passed which benefited the people of Ire land, including the Municipal Corporation Act, and other acts of a political character, as he believed that there yet re mained much to he done. This was not the moment at which Blue questions, which were alluded to by hon. gentle men, could bit most advantageously agitated, and it they were now brought forward they would be discu s s ed under the most d:sadvantageous circumstances. The hon. and gannet member for Middlesex seemed to ihitik that the and peace, pros rity, and c ontentment of the people of Irel would be materially advanced by his proposition, which was a recon struction of the protestant establishment in that country, which seemed to him to be the great evil under which Ire land suffered. His (Sir G. Grey's) epgech on the ques tion of the grant to Maynooth, was quoted, and he would not retract one word which he had used on the subject on that occasion. lie ex pressed opinions then to which he at ill adhered, and he hi Beth d that the existence of au exclusive religious establishment in Ireland to which the majority of the people were opposed, was an anomaly which was unjust in its origin and indefensible now. (Cheerss.) lie stated so on that occasion and he stated so now. lie thought it an unfortunate circumstance, which materially effected the peace of Ire.and and the success with which the government of that country could be carried on. The government were not willing to bring in any measure to remedy that evil unless they had some reasonable ground for believing it would meet with the assent of parliament. It was said, with regard to the suppert of the Roman catholic religion in Ireland by the state, that the Irish members refrained through delicacy from giving their opinions, They did not refrain from giving their opinions and refusing their support to such a proposition. He did not, however, think that their object one were such as would prove permanent, and would not give way. He agreed with the hon. gentleman the member fur Limerick that the time was not far distant when a ministry would be four.d which would bring forward a measure on this point, well matured and considered, and when tae public feeling, having had longer experience of the evils arising oat of the present state of circumstances in Ire land, would call for such a measure. lie believed that such a time was not very far distant, and, notwithstanding the feeling that existed in England op the matter, he should hail the arrival of such a time with delight, and if lie had the honour of a seat in the house, either in or out of office, no matter whom the ministry was composed of, he ELECTION COMMITTEES.—SATURDAY. Duntm.—Aa on the pnvioue day, the committee were occupied with the scrutiny, but no rotes were struck oft. NORTII Cliasiithe.—Couneel summed up on the whole cue, Ow which the committee adjourned until 12 this dap. Zhe el:proofs. MAILS. The snails for New South Wales, Van Diernan'ft Land, and New Zealand will be mado up on the evening of the 91st Jule. The mail fo the West Went of Africa and Mancini will be made wp on tenn r g of the 3lat July. The Wait India Mai* Including Bermuda, Nassau, Havanna, Honduras, New Orleans, Vera Crux, Tampico, and Porto Itico, and excluding those fur Madeira, Jacenel, Curtliseny Santa Martha, Cliagreti, Panama, Went Comet of South America, and St. Juan-de- Nicaragua, will be made up on the morning of the 2nd August. The ma& for the Brasile, the Bayer Plate, Monte Video, PCIII3III. bum Bahia Madeira, and Buenos Ayres, will be made u p o n the t venlng of die 4th August- The made for British Nort h America, end the United States, will be made up en the evening of the 401 Aug. overland chieed mune, via Mareeilles, to the Mediterranean, Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, lloug-Kong, Be., will be made up on the evening of the 7th Aug. The mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Madeira, Wiz, and Gibraltar will be mad. up on the morning of the 7th Aug. The overland malls fon Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Intends, Egypt, Alltll. Ce)ton, India, Moog -Kong, and China, rio Southamp ton, will be made up on the evening of the 19th August NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS. The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of the Stamp-office, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS was 3,447.009 This, we believe, is within eigltt per cent. ot the number issued to the Morning Herald, Horning Chronicle, and Mamma Post, ALL PUT TOOETH AA. In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS, Morning Paper, there were issued for the Leman , ' Edttion, THE EXPRESS 778.714 Which was more, we believe, than were issued either to she Globe or Ntand;rd. Evening Papers. TO CORRYA PON DENTS. • Advertisements Intended Per "Tbe Eabrees." London tweeted( paper. most :be be ea. au., to, tlou•eneavaet. by Tab Velotbolt the day a p.ohc.ou. Wall Ming AT LOl6llOll 14111110 V. T.,. D A y—Mr..l•,,, a.> le past 2; Afternoon, 56 min, pod I. To•ralt now—Mono el, IA min. paot ; Alterooon, 2/ min. oast 3. to wring these concessions by agitation, and by the demand of repeal. But ministers should save th e people of Ireland from the necessity of such dangerous agitation, by bestirring themselves, and by taking advantage of such calamities as famine and threatened lif p e opu to la ,ie ti aible. ?cilia. insurrection, to arouse the magnates of b o th countries to a sense of their own danger, and of the only true means of a verting population aeration iusuc o h f ters have thrown away golden opportunities of this kind, and are flinging them away every day. L or d the readerlrish Jolts Ht.:it/mu. evidently feels that the whole of his ci it 'reu b m y sta p n l c a e c s ing as Irish policy has been a failure. lie is weighed down by the consciousness of that failure. He feels, that any trilling amelioration here and there is quite idle, quite unequal to stop the mighty b ree d, through which Irish disaffection and disorder roar, He stands still in bewilderment and despair, and not only does nothing, but is obliged to account for and excuse it. poTlitniicsalsuswrdnosinio,nwoifliponloitticadol.colnvdeurnctust have a states. man who can grapple with the question of ; reb in d, and place it before parlament in that plait, pe r . suasive, and convincing shape , that parliament cannot reject it without declaring itsown incompeten ce and thereby warranting the severance of the empire, That severance ought to be prevented, and may be prevented. But if ministers not only rimitin incapa. ble, but confess their incapacity ; and if parliament remain bigotedly obstinate, whilst minisie n , flatter parliament as wise, and parliament in return tolerates minister., who have the knack of slurring over difficulties without meeting or resolving them, then all we can say is, that the inevitable come qua lm , must follow, in the repeal of the union and the 'ruction of the empire. would fully concur in any practical plan for the accomplish- Tots for the meat of ruck= object. The hon. gentlenna (the member reme di a l l m . r end: because uselretitred.was(Bamweriphlreater.rnt Thee for Kerry) differed from the hon. and pliant member for noble Middlesex in thinking , that this was not a proper rnment had done nothing' since then. He be. time for bringing forward the church question, raved his hmeadeo.nacugerhbuint the lB44 noinble every word o e f rd wh h tr a n d h an im el wt he ow d so id riot is t o th t e g th or in e k rwm th w a t t ior a w n o y t bod ba y rtw agr it beroedugh•trithwt ttnthogthohvateurcall tqhoeirretmoweastruuresuftetrkdlr.el ( anudrawrou, hear.)lde useless him in censuring the government (or not having brought till the ch urch question was aettkd. (Hear , hear.) What to ag riculture the settlement of the Irish a bill on the subject. The hon. and gallant member did drainag pplmartsebuatphilesdidanndotaadtmluidteteted Mtheattimitewtrat put it into operation, contenting himself with saying that meat n in e labour question. He believed that a great deal nutit would an orig take inal gr eat ia measure o u r e st i o n thatwe w s a t s o r e the ti tt t r peterrd for o f Ireland wrw T ot h: .rttt other r. With pilrarnlitowdasoitohte. q m o t e g r h tt t o b o e do N n v e . h by r t ird he t le o g t itat g u ra re nd to ju m n ttl la e w th c i an s important [hie tothtaillwdaemnooltititohne timeet th e t e o s t i a n b t l f iste u church i t. ii i is n that the house would agree with the bon. and gallant gen• hear.. he said, that the time was not yet come. He did not think at pat)chilingisuripgthhteethooldo.syfrelmd- (wsoiruldvibe Somerville) failure- (liver, l would iver (h r a a bo r, l i h t e n .r m 3 o f T e tt v r er h y o r o c . l i a g n ie d u g s al es i I n a ; fiat:. the . gh re g retted a flat ftthhei noble ley . rd a h g a o d o setlawmopslue such ti bl e is m h i l i n n t w in is l h r i e n i g an fo d r . gentleman stated that his next measure was one which would little determ ination speec h of last night to carry out If lu r ni e t s ice in leaving to others the carrying of those develops the industry and the resources of the people of theme . emu u i c tl . iu i d u ed his to The noble lord bad not done Ireland. By that he meant systematic colonisation. If erit of Ireland. (Hear.) s col drati on t isa o t o io ,o n r cotuold England, stem sed s , rot- it ghwtriFoa.etomtepjaerosurpes w hich y he advocated as necessary for the per any would oo d be pi m an ost of land, and Ireland, that an extensive system Sir W. SOMERVILLE emphatically denied that the of colonisation should be carried on. But the hon. and gal. measure whish the government introduced on the subject of lent gentleman did not tell them how it war to be carried tenantoight was a robbery or a deprivation of the rights of on, b what funds rby wha mins, r where the colonists the eople of Ulster. If the hon. member for Itoehdale had were y to be sent to. o Now, he t did e not o wish to say anything been p present at the meeting in the north of Ireland, whet against colonisation, but he must say that there were a great such language wax used, to would have expected that the many practical difficulties in its way. There were strong hon. gentleman himself would have contradicted such a I objections to colonisation being carried on by pauper emigra• statement, for thilear, e hon. hear. gentle)man must hon . kn ow l t t here himself w himself as ao 1 time The hon. and gallant gentleman's plan might, per- truth in. it. ( The haps, raise the hopes of the people of Ireland, and divert introduced a measure on the subject, and from the way in them from the wild schemes which they adopted in he oh- which it had been received, he hoped the ho . gentleman, Bence ; but he should remind them that measure' had been when he returned to Ireland, would not say that there war passed by the government, which, if carried out by those in any indisposition on the part of this house to give it a fair Ireland, who ought to carry them out, would tend much to consideration. The measure of the hon. gentleman had been L emove the miseries Ireland. The hon. gentleman thn pro- irly submitted to parliament, ut i could not bear the argu- ' posed a modificationof of the union, that a session of parli e ament mente brought against it. Let b the n hon. gentleman say, if shouldbe detain Dublin annually, and that her Majesty should he pleased, that the House of Commons did not take the visittbat country. For the first of the two latter propositions the same view of the subject as he did; that they did not under. royal prerogative was only necessary ; and, with regard to stand di he other tenant -right, or agree i nn n et his to t finition of i t , of Ire or thland at it the last, he would ask the house whether it would be wise, would not be proper topar in the pre sent state of feeling in Ireland, for the government besides the north ; but lethim not di ceive tee people by us - - m advise her Majesty to 'Olt that country 1 He then pro - in; that t here was en ind is position on the part of the house paned that the Lora-Licutenancy of Irelanni should be aba- to consider the subject, or give any countenance to the state ished, and that a secretary should act in his stead. In that ment that the measureof the government was a robbery, and case they would he only changing the name. lie did nut would deprive the people of Ulster of their rights. (Hear.) think his plan a wise one iu which he provided that the No person would be less indisposed than he to deprive the secretary should act on his own responsibility without taking people of Ulster of that valued right, but they could not in part in the cabinet and its councils. Ile had now gene traduce that custom into th ee,o r parts et Ireland without through the panaceas of this hon. and gallant gentleman. He committing nn act of injusti and if they were to attempt to would not enter into eriminatiou and recrimination ; he did legalise it in the north he believed they would deprive tbat not, however, wish to avoid any censure that might be cut which was called tenantriaht of its mast valusble charectei on the government. Ile had stated the circumstances which istic, namely, the good understanding which subsisted had prevented the government from bringing forward between landlord and tenant. (Hear.) He del not thistle measures for Ireland ; those rea s o ns might be un- that It was the nature of the relation which eubsisted between satisfastory to the house, and some d e g r e e of censure landlord and tenant that disturbed the social condition of might attach to the government. But, looking at the enure • Ireland, although he admitted it war susceptible of improve which the debates toot here,. the government would be ment. He rather agreed in the cpinion of the hon. member hardly dealt with in having all the blame thrown upon ter Kerry that it WAS the kind of relation which subsisted them for the wart of legislative measures fur Ireland. There betw e en the tenant and the labourer that produced the evil, was every disposition on the part of government to attend to and that the miseries of the tatter ChM were mainly owing the representations made to themon Irish affairs, from what- to the former, and not to the landlords. In proof of this ever quarter they might come. (Hear, hear.) The hon. view lie read some extract.' from the evidence taken before member for Kerry had alluded to the waste lands as one the Landlord and Tenant Commission. One referred to an important question which the government had brought for- estate in Armagh, where the tenant right existed, and where ward and abandoned. The hon. member bad himself given 1,061 tenants held farms of ten acres and more, and 886 coo evidence of the difficulty of dealin g with the subject by tier tenants occupied 536 acre s . Among them were 62 indi stating that various committees and commissions had recom- victuals living on 28 acres of land. The sum of the whole mended some one thing and some another, but no two had was that large rents were paid for land by cottier tenants — concurred in their recommendations. The hen. gentleman some paying as much as 51. pie acre, the tenant himself pay might have inferred IS om that, not that the subject was ing ne more than Bs. per ae. Another showed that when strsightforw.erd end free from ailliculny, but that the 'seta- the tnant's land only cost him 21 . per acre Icysuch arrange liar difficulties sure needing the eulenot made it on,. of ro m. nt, the copier paid fur the same land 28i. There were ordinary embarrassment, and one an which the full atten- some eases, indeed, in which the labourer paid at the totera of ton of all the Irish members was required. ( Hen a hear.) 121. per acre to the tenant. t he pointed, therefore, e The hon. member for Stroud had quoted on the subject at facts to show that the relations in question required the revi landlord and tenant the evidence given before Lord Devon r sion of parliament far more titan that between land commission; but that commission did not recommend tenant- of and tenant. It was, indeed, the crying evil Ireland. Another subject referred to by the bon. right; it had not gone so tar as the bill which the government had introduced. That bill hail been carefully investigated member was the poor law in Ireland. He (Sir W. Somer before a select committee; and he hoped that the considera- villa) did not look upon the Irish poor law as perfection ; tion it had received would be of great benefit when it was re- hot he thought the time had not arrived when the question introduced. But in:treatment notions as tOtenant•eight were could lie fairly reopened, in accordance with the desire of not countenanced in that bill, and could not be recognised several hony gentlemen, repreeentatives of Ireland, expressed with any regard to the interests of property, or of the tenants in the early part of the present !cession of parliament. It was LONDON. MONDAY. JULY 31. themselves. (Hear t hear.) As to incite lands, it had been generally admitted that the proposition was not reasonable ; proposed to appropriate 500,0001. for their reanimation, Meng a n dhe could take no blame to toe government for refusing it. IRELAND, in labour of rebellion , has b rou g ht forth with another million sanctioned by another act; so that There were, however, many details of the poor law which re- the veriest mouse. The chiefs of the physical-force w hatever blame attached to the governme nt for abandoning p a ired amendment ; and he bad authority from the noble repealer° have just done enoug h to brin g themsel ‘ es the scheme, at least the landlords had derived the benefit set lord at the head of the governme•it to say that if such was within the verge of treason without being sufficiently the half million fur the reclamation of wastes. He must say the wish of the Irish members a committee would be bold or aucceseful to render that treason even respect the government was not prepared to embark in an extensive granted early in the next session to inquire into the scheme for reclaiming waste lands. Already a bill had been working of teat law in Ireland. He hoped that the able. The end of all their school-boy speeches has passed, giving extensive powers for the purpose, but some- members of Ireland would hold to the poor-law as the been scarcely a stur ty barring out. Smart O'BRIEN how it had remained a dead letter. if tlds arose from some foundation of all legislation. In all changes hitherto the has betaken himself from club to club, ap defect in the machinery, let it be amended ; for there was poor of Ireland had been neglected ; that was what he had pealed to their valour first, and then to no indisposition on the part of the house to render every to chorea the Irish landlords with. There was, in fact, plenty their compassion. But, like the hare with many assistance they could for this puroose. The Farmers' Es- of law tor the rich in that country, but there was none for fri th state* Act would also contribute to secure the same end, t h e pa„r. Ile regretted the neceaeity which had compelled the uits, not an animal of the field, either of which would be better promoted by them two acts than by goy, rnment to abandon the several measures introduced by the fleet or of the strong, would consent to take the them ter the relief of Ireland ; but every one knew the dif- heated hare upon his croup. The first reliance of the scheme which the government had ahandened. It was said the great evil of Ireland was the laud question; but this lieu:tens which they had had to contend with, in the optima O'BRIEN and MEAGHER was on the valiant citizen and many other evils were to be met less by legislation than tim they received, and in the peculiar and unprecedented clubs—the men of Waterford and the men of Dublin. by landlords anxiously dischareino their duties and striving circumstances of the times. Ile could not understand the to better the condition of those around them. Hu re- objections made to the Coercion Bill; on the contrary he But the brawling owns-folk thought discretion petted the evictions as much as any one ; puha- was satisfied it had done great good. The best answer he the better part of valour. The disappointed chiefs then ment hail already gone as far as they could in men- could give on the subject was the fact that whereas in Be- tried t he p easants of Carrick and of Mullinahone. sures for preventing these abuses. He s lid not believe cember, 1817, there were 2,162 ou•rages reported to the Finding the labourers and the priests deed any measure could wholly prevent evictions ; all Dublin police, there were in June, 1818, only 1,168 reported. against him, the recently crowned King of aleesrsa, I they could do was to render their occurrences less It had been urged that Roman catholies hail not had a fair cull e hunted frequent. He did not think the house would go the length share of promotion in the government, but that was not a"' tie if the subterranean pop game, of the mince were took earth to try of sanctioning a bill founded on the principles advocated by the fact —tor there w as Mr. Redineton, a man distinguished population the bon, member for Stroud. He could net admit the maxim for honour and talent, the Atterneynaeneral, Mr Baetwin, benighted enough to follow him. Even here he that the possession of land was the right of the poor ; on M r. Pigott, MA others, the last , r promoted to the olti.On e..eild win no followers, and in his utter distraction the other hand, it was the bane of Ireland; and though he of Chiet Baron of Ireland. With regard to the ques- this demented rebel actually beseeched a squad of would not forcibly throw small farms into large ones, lie tion of the Irish church, or rather the Irish ecclesiastical lice to deviate thought it would be much better if persons of ca pital would establishment, he (Si, W. S.) agreed w h oll y with his right po . for him. \Vhat halluc i nat ion was his ! In what a world of take farms, and employ the poor is mins ea labourers. The hon. friend the Home Secretary on that subject, and whoever sooner the conger° system was brought to an end, and the brought it to e settlement, not by destroying but by adjust- dreams has this unfortunate man been living, all the sooner something was adopted more analogous to the system ing without offence to one or triumph to another, should time that he imagined himself a conspirator and a po which prevailed here the better. (Hear, hear.) The go- have his best support. Right should be done in the matter; et e i n : ea it eiall . ssaRIEN'S acts show him to have been yernment would always, both in its executive and legisla- when it was done, all parties would be satisfied, and he hod no • and to have believed the reality and tive capacity, do al in their power for bettering the condi- doubt it mulittend to lay more elf, ctually than arty other mea- °were , tion of Ireland ; and he should hail with great satisfaction a the asseverations, the greater union of feeline araonest Irish usendrers with regard sure the foundation of peace and tranquillity in Ireland. The truth of the bluster, hon. member for Kerry hoped that while the leaders of the oaths, the eloquence, that Drawled around him. to the character of the measures that were desirable. (Hear.) poor people in the pre sent movement would he punished the Ile was one of a set of actors, and he was mad He also thought that by such union of feeling more might he government would act with moderation towards their vie- enough to believe the comedy real. Guilty as the effected by the Irish gentlemen in their social capacity. On tints. He (Sir W. S.) felt bound to bear his testimony to man is, his idiocy is greater even than his guilt. the subject of the p.rato crop, te , hail the pleasure to state the high eharach-r et the Lord Lieutenant of lrelan.l, and But fully as guilty, and to our minds one thousand that the last returns were at a more satisfactory character considered it a shame to his country to see it brought, on& r than were those of the few preceding days; and there WWI the government of mice a man, to the verge of rebellion. times more mean, are the cowardly wretches whose :ens= to hope that in those district% where the disease had Jusuce would be done on the wicked men who had misled adhesion and excitement, whose following and orate been most extensive, some check hail been nppcssed to it, the people; but the people would be treated with rill ho- nisation, whose promises and applause impelled and that the greater part of the crop might tura out good maaity. ife should vote against the motion of the hon. es o . n ssRIEN and MEAGIIER from step to step, and from (Cheers.) member fur Rochdale, as it would he only raising false hopes Col. DUNNE, in alluding seriatim to the several l at i s h without the opportunity of fulfilling thorn. plot to overt rebellion. They were left in the questions that had been named, expressed his conviction the Mr. F. O'CONNOR ascribed the whole of the distress of consciousness that an army awaited them, when in the fisheries was one of the most repulse q uestions in Ireland, Ireland to the neglect of the landlords , a nd to the non• p er- fact they were merely pushed forward to a scaffold, and one which he hoped would soon re..eive the conaidera- formance of their duties ; hence they were always coming to and left unpitied and alone to perish. Lion of parliament. A measure to secure a due compenea the house for measures to enable the government to do what Is —e tract that Irish agitation will ever and from Lion to the tenant was also one of great imp trtance. The they had neglected to do themselves. He asked the govern• present poor law was most de f. ctive, and would merit if, when other countries were advancing, Ireland henceforth hide its head. There is shame as w ell as prove so soon, earn if the potat o cro p did not should be allowed to retrograde. The noble lord last night guilt upon it. As to a law against the club?, Gil. The last failure was not known until the stated that early marriages we re the cause of some of the or a proclamation against them surely such first week in August. It would be much better misery of Ireland. Why, would the prevention of such a thing were gratuitous ; since the accuse for the legislature to take measures of precaution marriages prevent the increase of that population ? tion of belonging, or having belonged to them, must against such a calamity, to prevent the necessity of their (Laughter.) He complained that he had never heard two quite enough to weigh clown any one's conscionsneas FRANC& Acing called together again in autumn. The Irish members Irish 'itemisers agree as to the exact nature of the ameliora- be had been twitted with their want of unanin.ity ; but on one tive measures which Ireland required. When he first en- or sense of shame. Hundreds, indeed, *ill disown— PAR.'S, SATtRDAT, 6.30 rah. tercel the house it was as a member from Ireland, sent there hundreds will deny—they ever meant to go to such The debate on M. Prudhon's preject of confer* subject they were all agreed ; there was but obe opinion thronekeut the country as to the inefficiency of the present by the constituency of Cork to advocate the measure of a assembly,qnce extremities. But can these hundreds say that they tion, which was to have taken place to-day in the poor law. Ile was of opinion that the excited state of Ire- Tepee' on the union. He undertook at that time, with all never seconded by a cry, or om pe o l o led wh b o y v a en t ure OU d t, fo t re- he land was only dangerous in consequence of the distress. sincerity, to discharge his trust to the best of his ability ; t te drec klesespok i e m • of t h Wicked emissariesloul gone among t the people and stirred but he very soon found, upon his admission to the tin ortuna 80 re absence of tf P° N n l ed M. ti Th il i N e i r o s n , d ai ay enard in e°111.. , sad them up against the authorities; but be was wholly Mere- honed, that that measure was but—to use the language of moat on the plank? The morality of physical-force agi- other leading deputies, who have gone to Rouen to aulous as to the extent of disaffection. or that the people the right hon. the member for tarns—" a splendid Lotion is made terribly plain and certain by this mock attend the ceremony of the opening of the Rouen sad were armed in considerable numbers. He elil not deny that phantom." The manner in which it had been treated by „b e lo w , the agitation was dangerous ; but many of the leader s were those who w. re sent to the home ton present the same prin. Instead of concentrating all blame upon Dieppe ltailway. ad -mockery, a ciples rendered the aivocacy of that measure " a the leaders, it eheds a full portion of guilt and a fuller The que stion of a second chamber may be regarded utterly visionary and ignorant, and no more capable of he ing an insurrection than the hon. member for • troud was delusion, and a snare." The evils of Ireland were deeply portion of shame upon those who befouled these men as practically decided in the negative. 01 the fifteen capable of improving Ireland with his bills. (Laughter.) rooted in the soil. They were planted there by long years of into leadership, and betrayed them into rebellion. bureaux into which the assembly is resolved, fourteen They were men who ought to be locked up, list miseovernmeut, and required the most extensive and com- Much credit is due throughout such trying and have decided against two chambers. Even the club they should hurt themselves and others. (Herne hear.) prekensive measures to eradicate them. Thepresent govern- critical times to the executive government of Ireland. of the Rue de Poitiers which includes the :chief part These disturb:Aces had been much more cot eon since the ment, lace the several ether governments that had preceded introduction of the poor law ; that law, in fact, rendered it it, had pursued the old beaten track sf coercion to core the It was long tolerant and lenient. But the eye of the ex-deputies and the party of the old centre impossible for the people to be content. Ile regretted that evils of leased. But they would fail, as they had hereto. of vigilance never closed ; no opportunity was left, are divided upon it, and many who are strongly the government held out no hope of this law being re con. fore failed, in doiag everything else but increasing them. thrown away; no weak side was ever offered opposed to ultra-democracy are nevertheless adverse sidered before next session ;no more import int subject could The noble lord and his colleagues hod been always most to the secret foe. As long as the agitation was a to a second legislative chamber. It is now an engage their attention. profuse with their professions of liberality and their legal one, it was met with grave warnings, yet without nonneed that the delegates from the bureaux will Mr. It. M. FOX said he bed, that morning, received a advocacy on remedial measures when out of ofliee ; irritating provocation. But when it came forth close their discussions with the committee of the eon letter from a gentleman a magistrate for three counties, and but when in office they forgot all those proles- 0 a pet diced agriculturist, assuring him that there was no pro- sions, and only thought of dery eat Ireland, mad-o penly to defy the government, and to appeal to the stitution about the middle of next we k ; and it is spect of a potato failure , that the harvest was likely to he a dened by this treatment, was induced to look .1 t other final trial of force, w hi c h red t , h ave b e en serious, probable that about the middle of the following week good one , and that the people were perfectly quiet in county means of enforcing its rights; and now parliament, tit the then the Irish government did 8881/MC the offensive, M. ar t will present to the assembly the an:ended Longford ' . (Hear.) In reply to the challenge thrown out out ut an eight mouths' sitting, was about to break up with- did attack conspiracy with skill, with patience, and draft of the constitution. by the Right Hon. Secretary of Stat.., hr would suggest that out pawing one measure that would be calculated to lessen with perseverance, until it was driven forth to An improved project of M. Man Faucher , having arterial drainage was one of the Most importent weeks that the tenor set dissontent that prevailed in that country.. v cou'd be undertaken, which he would defray by the sale of might cli.psnd upon it that the government would discover They those desperate yet feeble efforts which we at present for its an ameliorated system of the discount the crown lands in Ireland. One millionof money would cm- their mistake before very long, and would regret that they t ) ate, and which in the • ' of fear, obj ect subvention o f the Co ails eon emp w , ploy a million men, at 10d. a day, fur four months. At pre- had rot acted in an entirely different spiry towards that we can afford to pity. General, has been received with great approbation by sent great waste occurred in the works carried nn under the country. He would not detain the house any longer at that If, however, we give tt - e due mead of approbation the Committee of Fitfan , CS. The effee. of this as sent of Works. Oa the subject of the Irish church, he must late hour, hut would give his hearty support to this motion of to the executive government of Ireland, we cannot I ran;ementvrill be to extend the benefit of these banks express his eonviction that it was not at all an injury. In tho the hon. member for Rochdale. late period of distress the protestant enemy had been of Mr. NEWDEGATE then rose to address the house, but extend any judgment of the kind to the legislative to the departments, instead of limiting them, as eminent service ; and it war a misrepresentation to say that was very imperfectly heard in the gallery, in consequence of conduct of ministers. From first to last their policy hitherto, to the ciief towns. The committee, after a their merits were not appeeciated by the Roman catholic the keel calls fora division. He was underetoon to defend with respect to Ireland has been a miserable failure. long discussion, in which all the leading members population. the established church of Ireland from the attacks with And never was that failure more signal than took a part, appointed a sub-committee to examine Mr. CLEMENTS said that the language of the hon. which it had been assailed, contending that its overthrow in the speech of the Prime Minister on Friday. the project, consisting of MM. Fagrierre Lonvet, Gar member for Stroud was calculated to do great injury-in would be the destruction of the last link which hound the Ireland. Was it right, on the eve of an insurrection, that two countries together. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD may have made a very pier Pages, De Latonche , an d Deslou g rais. the hon. gentleman should hold up, at he did, the landlords Mr. REYNOLDS said that the hon. member for Long. loose, and ill-timed, and ine ffi cient, speech. But the The club of tho Institute, under the presidency of of Ireland to the execration of the mob ? (Hear, hear.) The t o was not, as the hon. member for Warwickshire seemed ministerial one in answer was lamer and looser still. aL Garnier Paw* has come to a resolution to oppaelf hon. member for Stroud had done the greatest injury in this to suppose, a Roman catholic : he was, on the contrary, a If it was anything at all, Lord JOHN RUSSELL'S was a the principle of the progressive impost, us partebeg country by setting man against man, for ho held up the zealous protestant. The hon. and learned member for speech for the repeal of the union. 'What was the spirit of communism. The members of this club landlords of Ireland as the cause, of the unprecedented din- Youghal (Mr. anew was indeed a Roman catholic, but he tress which afflicted Ireland last year. With respect to the was only a convert, having just recently renouncel what it from beginningto end but an excuse forministers ave aso resolved to op -an h 1 poss y further grants of measure before the house, the noble lora at the head of the he now called the errors of pr eat Whether the ac the and for parliament doing nothing ? Government had money, or other public expenses, except such as ~ government had, by his coaduct, placed the Irish members cession of the hon. and learned member to his (Mr. Rey. taken power with the best intentions ; but what with Minister of Finance shali be responsible for, and shall in the greatest difficulty. The noble lard's speech had die- not church was an advantage to that church he would famine one year, rebellion another year, and the indicate the source from which the necessary opiates appointed the representatives for Ireland. (Hear, hear.) All not pretend to decide. (A laugh.) This was, however, interminable talking of members all years, it was are to be derived. classes in helmet had watched the progress of legislation for clear, that the opinion of this new Roman catholic, that imposs ib le to that country, during the present session, with great anxiety. the Roman catholies of Ireland looked upon the protestant carry through one measure for the im- The death of General Damesme was aunounced to and he wee sorry that at its close their wishes and hopes had church there with no ell, but considered it, in faCt,irather provement of Ireland. have taken place this a ft ernoon. been much disappointed. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord a blessing than otherwise, IMP an opinion utterly unde- It is difficult to have patience with the nullity of The Committee of Finances has made a report ed held out no bright prospects for the next session. The noble serving of the slightest attention. It was ridiculous to sup- these excuses. Why that very famine, which the favourable to the treaty between the Lyons Itaileral lord had said he was not responsible for the progress of pose that an establishment so enormously disproportioned to minister puts forward as the cause of his doing Company and the Minister of Finance. the committee wi th re in that house ; but he thought that the legislation the re al wants of the religionists availing themselves of its with reload to Ireland had more than its fair share of delay, services, and supported to the extent of nine-teuths at least g, was on the contrary an event out of ic as, in ten of it, nothing, - l! proposed that the company should In the le vent petition of Ireland he was net prepared to of the expenses by men who conscientiously a skilful cud an earnest statesman would have finish the railway to Montereau, and immediately vote for the motion of Mb hon. member for Rochdale, followed another creed—it was preposterous to suppese drawn a new and immense force for the open that p:ation of the line; the government M although, if the debate had been closed last night, he would such an to sseablishment could be otherwiee than passing of remedial and efficient measures. We finish the rest of the line to Lyons., and to lease this have supported that motion. displeasing that vast majority who felt injestiee are aware of the di ffi culty of legislating for Ireland— part of the line to the company during the term of Sir D. NORREYS Baia that the same motive which in. on so tender a point. He should support the motion before ..• duced the hon. gentleman to vote galenist the motion— the house, not, of course, from any idea that practical results . a di fficu lt y of a very different kind from any that the original contract. namely, the present state of Ireland, would induce him to could follow from it thin year, but because the propositions • • Lord i o ln N ItussELL stated. That difficulty lice in SrNDAY, 11.30 R.g. vote for it. A great deal of the evictions to which the bon. which composed it would, it assented to, hold out hopes to the constitution of parliament, in the predominance cif Gen. Demesme, of whose death I sent you a opal member for Stroud alluded 110.3 owing to the present poor the Irish people of good coming to them at the earliest period the landlord interest in one house, and its monopoly in my letter of lad evening, is the seventh truer'', law and the division of union districts. There would be a of the next seesion. of the other. How is a minister to induce the pas- officer lost to France in consequence of the affitir °` continuance of such evictions till the present area of rating Mr. STAFFORD said that almost every member who was altered. It was a mere delusion imported on his country- had spoken had reproached the government with having ' , seesors of land, the owners of rents and tithes, to June. men to suppose that a parliament occasionally sitting in failed to fulfil the promises which, out of office, and again pass saws of tenant security, church reform, It will be remembered oca that soon after the colic Dublin would prove a benefit to his country. Ho would when last acceding to office, they had made tO do various cultivation of waste lands ? The people of Ireland try tion of the assembly on the 4th of May, N. Recall, PART of the regulations for conferring the Na r a war medal will, if terictly acted upon, work great injustice to many gallant officers and men, and defeat the very object fur which the original desi 4 n was ex tended. Tire criterion of reward except to the case of actions for which medals were granted to the captain, is " the speeml approbation of the Admiralty a t the time," marked " by the promotion of the 4ecr eon. dueling the enterprise." Now, this presumes, what few will be so hardy as to assert, that in every instance from the year 1793 to 1815, the Admiralty always did justice to those officers who sietnalised themselves in best and other actions. Wo believe, that the contrary is, on very many occasions, the case; for though brilliant affairs could not be passed over, it often depended upon circumstances unconnected with the h .zsrd countered, or the bravery displayed, whither any promotion took place. If the licateneet commanding were a person whom the Admiralty wished to pro mote, advantage was taken of an opportunity, or some times mere ex use, for doing sn. If he were friend. less the action remained unnoticed. Again, the molt of any enterprise, so far as it led to promotion, greatly depended upon the ability or elination of the captain to make a glowing and animated, pothibly a highly-coloured report. For these accidents or injustice it seems that tie officers and men who were present are now to be punished, by withholding the medal from them. The pro ‘, imete cause of the medal being granted at all, is tl:e bestowal of a medal for the war in China. It was too &neat to see every man and boy who was employ,.; in g bloodless war against semi-b erbarians decorated, while the veterans of the longest and most sanguinary con test ever known were neglected. As the Chinese war furnished the precedent for the new war medal, the proceedings in that war with ,reference to the amount of danger incurred and courage and conduct shown, ought also to have furnished a rule by which services in the revolutionary war should be esti mated. From the immense number of engacements, Promotion attended only the mast consPeuou.4, gene rally according to some precedent, except under the pemliar circumstances above alluded to. But there was hardly one of chow unrewurded affairs that did not exceed in importance and danger, if not in gal lantry, any of the affairs with the wretched Wane. Since 1816, and especially in and since 1827, decora tions and promotion have flowed in a far more gene. roue manner than before the peace with France; and if a war medal were to be given at all to the veterans from 1793 to 1813, it is not just to adopt tha severest teat to which their services could be subjected, namely, that of the promotion of the commanding officer. Bat this is not all. Promotion may have been the result of actions, though under the present rule the partici pators iu them will be excluded from the medal. After a long series of services against the enemy, the commanding officer was often eventually promoted foe them, thong h, perhaps, in a geneml promotion. 'I his will not be called a mark of the special approbation of the Admiralty, and, probably, will not come within the rule. Fifty instances of this kind could he named; and unless the regulation receives a far more liberal interpretation than its words lead as to expect, two-thirds of the old wee officers, and seamen and marines will be treated with great hardship, and, we repeat, the principle upon which the reward was instituted will be defeated. Instead of beinga "comprehensive" and generous measure, gratifying to the feelings of the veterans of the war, it will be narrow and invidious, and the source of heart-burn ings and discontent. It' every man and boy who was in China or on the coast oi Syria is to have the medal, upon what principle are those to be excluded who were frequently under tire, and actively employed for years on every contingency of arduous eerviie against the mast powerful enemy this country ever knew? Because injustice was done then, injustice ought not to be done now. na I