The Express. — London, England, 1853-03-01 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LO: moo.—s■ua ma, Fu. 28. took kis soot at 5 o'clock. PET! LIONS PRESENTED. _ _ ILseenovn.=li the Archbishop of YORK, from a passe is his diocese, against the grant to Maysooth. ADMISSION OF TUN Jaws TO PLALIAMISMT.—By the Earl of DERBY, from eleven plasmas England and Wale*, apiatt the admission of Jews to parliament. He had seen with great regret that a bill had been introduced into the other house of parliament oe this subject, and earriedhy • email majority. He eatirely arid with the rer of the petitioners; and, if the bil l reached their lo r dships' hew, he hoped they would deal with it as they had ea firmer occasions. RAILWAY ACCIDENTS. The Esrl of MALMESBURY gave notion that he would to-morrow (this day) move for remises se to the number of railway accidents during the last year, and ask a quad's Os the subject. LAW OF EVIDENCE (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion of Lord Baciconas, this bill west through cointoittee, and was reported to the house. CANADA CLERGY RESERVES. The Earl of DERBY rase, pursuant to notice, to present Bernal petitions (GI or 65 in "lumber) from various places in Canada, on the subject of the clergy reserves. From the importance of thu subjest to which they related, and the magnitude of the principle they involved, he had thought it right to place a notice on the paper that he should bring the matter under their lordships considera tion. The petitions were from various bodies belonging to the church of Scotland in Canada, and from 59 presbyterian congregations. Their object was all the same : they prayed, in varied terms, that their lordships would main tain inviolate the arrangement entered into is the year 1840, and would not interfere with or suffer that arrange ment to be interfered with, with regard to the clergy re serves in Canada. It was right that he should state that • portion of then petitions were prepared so long ago as 1851, and were then brought over to this country with the inten tion that they should be presented against a bill of a similar character then before the legislature. It was the intention of the petitioners to have placed their petitioas at that time in the hands of the noble duke the Lord Privy Seal (the Duke of Argyll), to whose active and unremitting ezertinns the petitioners were mainly indebted for the withdrawal of that bill. The withdrawal of that bill ren dered the presentation of those petitions unnecessary, and it was equally unnecessary, after the declaration of the go verantent, of which he was a member, to; present any peti tions on the subject in the year 1852. He admitted, as he had before said, the plausibility, aid meek more, the justice, of leaving the colonial legislature, as far as possible, to the management of their peculiarly internal affairs. But his opposition to the measure now under consideration was that in the present ease the polemist. were seeking to deal with that which was not their own property, and which never was their own property; which they never bad the right of exercising any control over; and which by com petent authority, and by the strongest guarantees, had been otherwise appropriated and taken out of their jurisdiction, previous to the establishment of their constitution ; and which upon two occasions was made one of the funds mental conditions on which that very constitution rested. Let it not be supposed that by this measure they would avoid future eoetroversy, or future religious discord. On the contrary, be believed that this mea sure would only aggravate, perpetuate, and embitter it. In the first plate, this measure would give rise to bitter strife hetween all those parties who would seek for the appro priat ion of these fends amongst their own body, and that still larger body who sought to deprive all religious bodies °fibers. In Lower Canada there were large endowments in land, and large compulsory payments in aid of the Roman Ca tholic clergy. There rights of property rested on • founda tion not • whit more strong than the clergy reserves. (Hear.) Nor did they think it possible that the protestant. of Upper Canada and the protestants or Lower Canada would be satisfied with the princi2le that the funds of the protes tant church should be secularised and converted to other purposes, whilst the funds and endowments of the Roman catholic. is Lower Canada were to remain intact. (Hear, hear.) This measure would give riot, to bitter feuds, and the differences of race and creed would at once be brought into action, to aggravate, embitter, and perpetuate those dimensions which had so long bee n kept in cheek by the controlling authority of the imperial parliament. He begged tole, the petition on the table, and to recommend it to the coadderation of their lordships. The Doke of ARGYLL maid he would not follow the noble earl in a discussion of this question, as that could be done more conveniently when the measure was before them, but as allusion had been mule to a deputation which came to him from Canada in 1851, he begged to state the facts as they really occurred. They placed in his hands a petition against • bill said to be in preparation by the noble lord then at the head of the Colonial Ofilee, and similar in its nature to the one lately introduced into the other house of parliament. Certain comntsaications took place on the subject of that bill; but be hosed, for the first time, from the noble earl that sight, that say representations made by kin bad the slightest effect in procuring the delay of that bi.L He would frankly wafer to the noble earl that upon the repressatations then made his private was midget the bill. But if he had all the flea= kits as he had them dam, his 01111110 M wadi be Milieuts from that which it thea was. At that time the miss of the Canadian parliament was &embolus( its deed, sad a sew one was about to amemble. It was his Morel 11,11111M' that it would be much better net to passed with mesh a weessese till the aew parliament had sem TIM new parliament bed Aar met, aad with • es I se ka bled. owledge of all the facts of the ease before them, they &dared themselves is favour side emus, panned by her Mejesty's govern ment. (Hew, bees.) The sole earl (Derby) had said that this IMO set a seems which he 'hosed have esposesd her weds reapers of the peewit Bet e es a inseam of this kind, the mem- C 1111 1 018.14 . 1 the geernmest Sit it their duty to act not is arty as chusehmes bat en stet men. He felt that it was set Ids duty es a eherehmen to act merely on his views, bat M ma to eery out this principle, that is ell matters of asesly intentl concern the tolcsial legielleteses ought to be left to deal as they thought It. It was be the imperial (ornament to decide what remises they ro isabe leavee nless to be dealt with by wlocal l r. g ra? 'MAIM marred to some despaishis whisk bad the es this matter, and said that in oppsakag the Casa =rnd legiektiej aa tg a s hi wers net seesmatily ',pain the helloes of w low he lower Friar admitted the Beres eatia ll. periellen wad prodesei ars ia the &O m, bat is the upper revises it wee rite odeerwiss. Me osdsasdal that this was a Saw whose the torrid geminnsest wee Used to protect the settiereet seeds is Art by the Csendiees thenneirs. The Bleep et BIRTHS essereinoi ot a Mien of hie Natimets by the Duke ad ArgyU a ! le rei: tended that this wee sot • maser of erdistribation ha of eedseeliaee nod, therefore of seedier. He yodel set eel it to give proPeety, left in the Ow Morass the Ohm* Begland, to ether ilmweakentissugh It might be a breach of the eseenatiesteatit to gine ft to Rams Whelks. It was the sable dyke who had ion dwell the tern eserder ; he had set used it when Memo . bees restion seethe Resew ressios. Dab of ARGYLL rid • few weds in explanation. The May of OITORD fit it impseslble not to give nt times le the esesimiss at whisk hi had arrived sem may yews ansideraties of this realm. He had Ire rea an Weer ia the Camara demob. and hod been lei le h a ossehnies directly °prigs le Mat of the wide ad E: i f z). TM reams were thus: The pietism * d mailed the right of dealing Meg Ille=ge n . serves as • shit at relies. We led lire OM • right errs( 'Mk own emesses ; sad these/we we was bowed to Wads that dila when ter Mae it, if it was sot • maim of impedel or ern on whisk the repaid peelimer wee • pro eluded fras deektkag. He west elm MO die me* ad (Derby) mainly se tow ispeolesse of raireintis Ihs elegy reserves latest ; wow and mist& thee Os way term ot the sot et 1791 imeesisort with the 1111•1110 she draws by the noble earl. (Hear, hear.) rie bed quoted the spring of the Jem ; jet we led alms put the edmskl legidereoe the whim sf the imperil ; end Minim that sigerest that to the (Hew, beer.) The Israeli= of 1848 diegigher the airiness that the lien of Mt meld est le isoMbed with. Ho deporded the ea te= l 2 ant ellid iEses ill ia tie uthi here i• selleense te ednr of I. The Bilker of Leeman erg Hamm torsi= bat the Mrs gar wig. The of observed thet what has *lllt rev. Mend Ebbs, of Baird) MI aid with morale ids (the of jeweillt s raker Is the set of wee amt was meter diary of the tonsil._ He (the 11114% Mess u) bed SW =lTdivided their Warr' house so the manta s of the " reSesSing:* He was hears, eery mei to Me se. liesehherst, le mad soy ; sad after Set be felt it M enter the maw fi relr _• but his debt rev. friend bed bees most remedy gaidatorsied in hit representatiss mf Ida. The right rev. prelate was then proceeding to saws Mrger el tits Bishop of Word, when he was later bY e ALB S who observed that it was quite inerhe be the right rev. prelate to enter into new matter la as wirenelios. (Hear, hear.) TM Shim of OM= wished to Say one single word with TANN M as ingesiden whisk had fallen from hie tight sew. Mod.; hat be Mild sews their lordships that they seed be mar shwa tail It would geed to any hoe asemilefellblisg.) The right rev. prelate W rid thet • dreiner el his (the Bids, of Oxford's) wee, set esay net Wee, MI rstrery to the teeth—(laugh tae) ; 1.1 he vestiosil In IBM that it was not well for such agender to he hendied sheet by members of the right seesemill bra. (Chesse.) He was certainly aware that Ow sight sevagend prier led divided the hones on the fancies ethos word " pages& , but he did not oppose the MR Is he ether stages, we did his protest appear on the remelt at the hoses. (Hear, hear.) The of LONDON intended to reserve Ids re marks a ll p:s iba lis most impolitic measure till a future own don ; but he Mt called upon to say a few words, after the epee* of his right rev. friftd, who adorned every casement Is shed. TM right reverend prelate had repro mated this ass metier et justice and right. Now the fact woo, that the right te meddle with the clergy re serves had sever hoes =like Canadian legislature. (Hear, Mar.) The church was making C„ strides is MCorp the light of the gospel. were sow as fewer this 6.50 parishes and is the rearm were squally divided that would yield no Mfg than 7U. year to each =. It was a fact that dam the coolies hid bra settled, the church bed made rapid progress. Agitatioll had Weed, and vett numbers had come withia her pals. Ka resouras hai been wisely applied and husbands* to the guLaT reNv ente w zta end he (the fight rev. prl:2 ) r that be done to disturb the e • ( The Duke of NEWC - AW.L I wit have theeit it. aeosmary, after the dequeht speech of the right pro late (the Nebo of Oderd), to tremble their lersiiips with ray obeirvoihnt e espesielly as be shrill paha* masa have In sd ahem et sins length is latredieleg_the 601 to them whisk was new is Its temmit through the House of Commemas had it met Wan gar the remake of i th4 rev. wises who hid t hat oken. He could net say pewee ter eapie the Cambia had se right tie - dent with the walgest Oa contrary, both the NO of 1776 and lick esseitleie able powers of alteration to the Canadian la iesesa The noble earl (the Earl of Desert) had 'somewhat asnAmed the Hansa Act and the Clergy Reserves Au of ISO; but the truth was that the latter preceded the toils. (Rue, hear.) He (the noble duke) very much regretted that the right rev. mkt* (the Bishop of London) bed used so strong an espreenon as that he would as soon trust a lamb to the tender mercies of a wolf, es the reserve, to the Canadian legislature. Such prophecies had a greet tendency to pre date their own fulfilment. So far from it Wand proved that the Canadian legislature had determined on the sun hahation of the reserves, they actually subscribed to a col =t Tomes foe churchmen, and to =other for the ex edweellien of clergymen. (Rear, hear.) The noble =Lord Dishy) hid intimated that he would sooner see hoosons istispasolint than see the right of the ion- Perla legislature ahmaseed. The Earl of DERBY objected to this interpretation of his words, and repeated his former observation. The Duke of NEWCASTLE could noten what other in terpretation the noble earl's words would bear, and strongly protesting against that opinion, as well as against the argu ment of sacrilege and confiscation, he begged to repeat the sentiments be so strongly felt in favour of the policy, the justice and right of the measure of the government. (lieu, hear.) LAW OF EVIDENCE (SCOTLAND) BILL. This bill went thrsuklicolnnit!elt. BAIL IN ERROR BILL. This bill was read a second time and ordered to be ea milted. Their lordships adjourned shortly after 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF .MONDAY, FEB. 28. The Sraanna took the chair at the usual hoar. PRIVATE BUSINESS. SICOND Rmarirteos.—The following bills were read a second time :—Australian Agricultural Company ; Blyth and Tyne Railway ; Bognor Railway; Edinburgh High street and Railway Station, itc. ; Electric Telegraph Com- pany ; Kilkenny and Great Southern and Western Rail way; LlivaitUoes and Newtown Railway; London and North Western Railway (Coalbrook Dan Ac .) ; London derry, Coleraine, and Belfast Junction R ailway;i Madras Railway; Newport, Abergavenny, and Hereford Railway (Brecon) ; Norwich and Spalding Railway ; Salisbury Waterworks ; Scottish Central Railway ; Stockton Dock;- Swansea Vale Railway ; Tynemouth Docks and Morpeth and Shields Direct Railway ; Victoria (Leedom) Docks ; Waveney Valley Railway ; Whitahaven and Furness Jan gles Railway. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tarn ore KNOWLIDOR—By Mr. BLACKETT, from Northumberland, against. Fonatote Win= —By Mr. OLIVEIRA, from the officers and members of the medical profession of University Col lage, London, against the duty. ATTOZNIES' VISTIFICATIS.—By Mr. GREENALL, from the attornies of Warrington, for the repeal of the duty. lann CONSOLIDATBD ANNVITIZS.—By Mr. SULLI VAN, from the Board of Guardians of Kilkenny Union • Mr. F. SCULLY, from the Tipperary and Thurle Board of Guardians; Mr. MEAGHER, from ratepayen of Wa terford. end the guardians of thi Waterford Union; and Mr. It MAHON, from a place not heard, for a remission of the Consolidated Annuities. -- foot Aviv IX liint.t.—By Sir R. INGLIS, from the Church Missionary Society, the Scotch Fns Kirk, the Scotch National Church, sad other religions bodies, against government saneta of idolatry. Lsrvia CAURIIIII/1.—87 Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, from the letter carrion of Andover, complaining of inadequate pay ment. --- PAILTATINTAZT REPORTS AND Li &CITED'S. —By Mr. C. BERKELEY, from the Cheltenham Literary sad Philosophical Institution, praying for better facilities for olitsiehirg parliamentary reports and papers. Tau Boum BtLL.—By Lord I. MANNERS, from Tod awls, complaining of its riolstiaa. ILinur, OP TYE MALT Talc.—By Mr. FREWEN Cr, au treat Hayward's Heath Market, the other from Hai lers Market, praying for a total repeal of the malt tax. . lltrsarr TkiiAlleiNT or A Barnet Susszor —By Sir J. WALMSLEY, from Charles J. Bourke, late of Genoa, liettleasat in her Majesty's 40th regt.,eomplaining of un =italand rigorous treatment on the part of the Valmson and authorities, and praying the house to institute Inewiries, with a view to reparation to him as a British sub ject. htesaaas ow Positc-woosis.—By Mr. WILLCOX. BM idabitaats of Southampton, complaining of the elarm ieg imam of public-houses and beor-shops. Imams Tax.—By Lord D. STUART, from the Na tional Lae lust Lif's Amman°, Society, signed by the chairman, egaiset renewing the inoome tax in its present fores. Panty POSTACIE —By Mr. DAVISON, from the inha bitants of &Nast, praying for mean penny postage for lettere nadir half an Wand. Uaasa►L Oarmas.—By Mr. 0. RICARDO, from the guardians of the poor of the Worcester Union, for the alter ation of the lew respecting general orders. MATIMOTIL—By Mr. KINNAIRD, from the free church congregation of Tealick, Dundee, for the abolition of the endowment to Mayaooth. Stem, Dirrize.—By Mr. BIACKETT, from Blydret, forthembalsed, against the stamp duties oo newspapers. °retiree 01 TEE CRYSTAL PALACE ON SUNDAES:By Lord A. HERVEY, from upwards of 1,000 inhabitants of Brighton; end Mr. FRE WEN, from Rut Orinsteed, against allowing the Crystal Palate to be *pea on the Lord's day. Annissiox or Jaws TO PAZLIAIGINT.-By Mr. BEN TINCK, from dm parish of New Houghton, Norfolk ; .81r W. JOLLIFYE, from the parishes of Caterbem sad I. the county of Sauey, shad from__ parkitho of East Mora, la the county of Roots; Xr.FAMN. boa Ems bars Mr. EVELYN, Mesa the pod& et AMbrd, user 0 ; Mr. C. BANBURY, treat the ielabitaats of thweash of Stoke Edith, in the musty of Hereford ; Mr. been tie FAA of Llmvaik‘ere ' • Lord HOT HAM, I tem Tigebrallelle. Yorkshire ; Mr. COLES, from Barton Steeen t ly flowthsseptea, sad from the inhabi tants of , Wilts, against the admission of Jews bite t. THECLITHEROB ELECTION PETITION. Mr. GASKELL mad he had to report that the committee tr ha& unanhatmaly determined Ll itis liatthew Wwwivlsipi we an duly elected at the last easel= • in the honest' e t abhor°, and that the said Cessna wee id& Ee lei aloe to ampiaint the house that the eensallate lei wmainswip_spseil to the following resenlies Tbst lienbiew Meek Esq., wee by b et bdtmey esi at the last election for rl3 illl e=et Gather% barthat is an proved that sea briber, se treating was eseisehted with the waseat sr kao wle a et the said Matthew Mho% Be ; bat that it bee ben porn* to the amine* that Eery Taylor was nisei wwltleaa Se eau et PK that ezernive and syste m& wee pos tnt ea rrther with elan amp* awd bie Zal et the net donna for the nil MITI e s et sad tuselleses peeseediese appear es hen takes plan at the end deans. sad Oat bind beau et enmed with adobe wed bleilleelle. were bandana Ms the alai bens& kr the popsies et sakes ninon cad O. Na media of the How. MOM& the evidesee taus before die eamillee was ordeal* to be laid is tb• table ; aad it» lea. vaawaber gave Belies that oa the following (this) day, be would mete hit tbeapeakse de set bane hi. writ he a sew elwalla Whew If/.day. il• 11th of THE FROXE ELECTION PETITION. Kr. am. that the ossmittes spas this i at, bad waimusis de tusalmail that w ßea. CaL laving held st the last eke au elks of pat mast wawa, SY See duly eleatal to sine la Ihe pasoust paillasses; tad that the eked= we the basesil of Nome was *cid ass. BRIDONORTff ELECTION PETITION. Kr. BOU VBBIB said hs had te report that the 00111• mitts* in this ease had determined that Henry Whitmore, Req., was duly elected to serve in the present parliament and that Sir Robert Pigot, Bart., was not duly elected, sad that Sir B. Pigot was byl his puts guilty of bribery at the last election. It was proved to the oom mates that Joseph Mason was bribed by the payment of 101., but it was not proved that such bribery was committed with the kaowledge of the said Sir. A. Pigot. Inasmuch as the 'negations of bribery with respect to William Milner sad others were made without any reasonable or probable ground, this committee had ordered all the expenses to be paid by the Stoners and their sureties to the said Henry Whitmore, . Sir J. V. S LLEY gave Reties that be should on the following (this) day move that the evidence takes by the committee should be laid on the table, sad that the writ should be suspended until the evidence was in the heads of members. Mr. HEY WOOD asked secretary o[ Stats for the Do o c es Ham twhether it is the intention of the govern ' MOB lb ea the table of the house espies of the Oared Statutes, and of the Cambridge Cid =ma Documents, newly published by th e d Of the Oxford and Cambridge Commissioners ; and alsomballter say steps can be taken for the preparation of Fil tam olattons of such academical collections, wader the sues of die University Commissionsn. Viuu PALMERSTON (who was very indistinct) was usimetemed Se say that to do what wm asked would in volve eaweldsrahlo swiss, sad that he could not give any promise es the eal‘sit. EXCHEQUER LOAN FUND. Kr. RICH asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what course hs proposed to pursue with regard to loans humble by the Exchequer Loan Commissioners, act 67 Geo. 111., c. 24 ; also, whether any portion of the 633,00 W., which, by • 1 fetus from these commissioners, appeared to be the amount of hoist on aid repayment of loam' eb. elipteefilt 1852, wield be &H IM le the puling debt la the resat of t dimiaatios er _ I nil ka tAlie CELLOR of the ZICHZQUIE sold the illwhich hid lima at to bile by the bee.:lBlelleme itself iota Um parts, the lattsfipi e rint PA* bi bad WOW tomb upea lint, big any portion pails l e trooli h e e r ?plied of 1M ster nibbles eir emattiam of sash lee, and tbe ham part inks Idiot muse t e,emwment reposed towns gene -1111, salprd lbe imse of Issas under tbe Basitsquer ISM ran d? With mimed to ibe application el the Dam of 1fi8,0001., and of all the »perm* of the Euesquer Loan /hod as they may seam in, it was ahead provided for by semi wadi go forma.peadeatty of the isr of 'bet bones, in the Maga 8111116. There was likewise a revision by statute ler the less., sub. jolt to the dissredea of goverment. if 75,0001. per great for the purposes of the Isiburare Loan Fund ; I red be apprehended that the idea with wide& that sant sues find was that it would balance the avenge repayments. The provision made by law, therefore, at present, was this. There was power to issue 800,0001. annually, in four qui. luny payments of 76,0001., for the parpesee of new st emma to be made by the Exchequer Loss Commissioners, sad them was likewise a provision for carrylog the repay mesh of the commissioners, as they came in, to the acersat of ways and means for the year. The repayments were plop on without any intervention on the pert of the gO. Veralhout. But, at the close of the last quarter, on tea seling the state of the secount,it appeared that the cursing imeamis ea the fond were not likely to absorb the when anent eluding to its credit, and seasequeady be them* it his duty to stop the paymtint of the 75,0001., which would have been canted to the reedit of the fund. That was the only step of any kind that hail been taken with regard to the actual advisees fur the purposes of the fund. With regard to the general viestion—what course the government meant to take on the subject of the Exchequer Loan Fund—the course which be had pursued was this :—lt did not appear to him that the papers on the table of the house contained information sufficiently full and distinct to enable the house t• form a satisfactory and final judgment on the expedieney, on the one hand, of continuing the system of the Exchequer Loan Fund, or, on the other hand, of abolishing it, as was pro wled by the right her. gentleman opposite. The boom was aware that the Lohman Loan Fund commission hod bon in the habitat giniseging by one and the same nor eainery very different fonglisna. It bad been in the habit of making loam at its ewe diessetion exclusively, after ki nking late tice emits ef die application submitted. It had lihmwMbees 4. proliament as an organ for mossy ender he purposes which had bee= loans, bat which rather been in the nature of gifts under fides pretences. It bad likewise been in the habit of issuing mosey in various modes intermediate between them two, somethass tinder a positive order from the Treasury, sometimes under • recommeadatien from the Treasury ; 'Winkled ts Lindy 11 0 4113datie , d - wads& of and, sgain, it had hen in the habit of issuing money trim special toads appregdated to particular purposes. Now, what he had Oast la be done, and what he loped would soon be aiwomplilowl. was this—that all the transactions 'Dad easlierthille heads shwa be carehtlly separated the or him the atm, and that a beisnmosheet shield be pre med ender egoh of those boob is fair that they might hays the meson of seeing what the Backitair Loan Com stimisain had dose, whether ea the cape of parliament, Wham as the sensate of the Treasury, whether at their Wag hoe diserealowor in any other capacity. When they had sliesined these three returns they would see exactly the melt settee treasseisas of the Exchequer Loan Fund up ths poem tints aader each head ; and he thought the Yea. gentleman would agree with him that government aril parliament would then be in a condition to forni a jadipmat apes the question whether it was expedient that the WM= ANTS w ahaald sot be continued. THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY MINING, MARCH 1, 1853. . . . i UM ref* clothing perquisites, colonels should have an 1850 the number was only 9—(hear, hear)—the ge mutant ivanee of 1,0001. a year, bubthat In conskima- strength being about 11,000; in 1851 it was 9, the strength dote( di distisomithed services of the Dark* of Welling- being more than 11,000; and in 1852 the number was 5, los, _the umelememle a his regiment, the Grenadier Guards, the average strength ro va 12,000 men. (Cheers.) There be he saissiiet daring his lifetime. The change was car- was one point in to the education of the rutti est elelliMemyother regiment, but the committee conelder-• levy upon widish, probe ly, the house might consider there ing that there might be meritorious officers entitled to Mrs was some reason to complain—that was the absence of a G reward*, left two regiments, the Grenadier and Ist Cold- su fficient practice ground. It was true there were practice Mimi uards,_ at allowances of 3,0001. and 2,0001. a year grounds, but they were so limited that there was great diffi usperitinly. It was expressly intended that these regi- nifty in giving the men that practice which was necessary mints should be reserved se rewards for distinguished m illi- for their perfect efficiency. In the commissariat and bar ' Wry services, and on that understanding be (Mr. Hume) rack supplies there was an increase of 71,6281. over had soneentoi to vote for them. He was sorry to find how- the vote of last year, wkieh was occasioned by the ever that these regiments had been given to Prince Albert forage of one thousand extra horses, the increased and the Dyke of Cambridge, neither of whom had any price of rations, two months' forage for Ireland, which claim to distinction in the military service of the country. last year was provided for by the commissariat department, He thought he had • strong right to complain of the sea- the clothing for the militia, and an additional charge fur duct of that government which had thus defeated the inten- great coats to make up the stock, which at the commence dons of the committee. He admitted the merits of Prince meat of the year was lower than necessary. In the next Albert, and the efficiency and ability with which he ful- vete fur salaries and contingencies of the ordnance office filled the duties of his exalted station, but still he thought there was a decrease of 1,6111., but it was occasioned chiefly that these appointments, which the committee had re- by the transference of certain parts of that establishment to Mimed for military services, should not have been so die- the Tower. In the 4th vote, establishments at home and pond of. (lieu, hear.) He did not know whether any mem- in the colonies, salaries, allowances, and contingencies, ber of that esmunittee was present—a committee which there was an excess over the amount granted last year of Miluded Lori Hardinge, and the most distinguished mill- 3,3441., a portion of which was occasioned by the transfer try MB SSA shillalas of the day—but if any member were of certain charges from other departments. For the este pmemst be NOM bear him (Mr. Hume) out in his assertion blishments at home 4,6441. more was required than in the that them were expressly reserved as rewards for last year, but 1,3001. less would suffice for the establishments distinguish military services. (Hear, hear.) The next nbroad—the increase at home being made up by the charge point to which he wished to call attention was the mode of of the establishment of the Tower. There was an extra carrying on the civil administration of the army. In 1835- charge for storekeepers consequent upon the establishment 36, when military reform was under discussion, the septum- of a convict establishment at Perth, in Western Australia, Lion of the ordnance from the rest of the military depart which had rendered a military establishment there necessary, runts was universally condemned, and it was recommended but there was a reduction in the charge for barrack masters that the Secretary at War should be a member of the in Canada, Jamaica, Halifax, and Hobart Town. The next Cabinet, end have control over the entire military force. vote was for wages, and the amount was 141,4371., while •eseemidon was appointed in 1837, including Lord J. Ras- that of last year was but 124,3461., the excess being 17,0911., MI, LeedPabserston, and Lord Howick, and they confirmed which arose principally from additional works at the va this resenunendation. He thought the present a most rious manufactories at Woolwich, the charge fur which fitting time for bringing these matters before the house, was over 19,0001. That amount, however, was reduced by which might see whether the useless establishment in Pall- about 2,0001. in the colonial charge arising principally from mall might set be abolished, and whether the consolidation the decision to which the government had come, and to ressmmomidol by the committee, many of whom were now which his right hon. friend, the Chancellor of the Entre neemlim of the government, might not be effected. For quer, had alluded, vie., to at once terminate the expendi time 10111111111/ he wished to ask the Secretary at War, first, Lure, as far as this country was concerned, on account of for information respecting the disposal of the two regi- the Rideau Canal. ( Hear.) The next vote was for stores ; ments to which he had alluded ; and secondly, whether but before proceeding to that, he would shortly refer to the there was any intention of abolishing the ordnance as a coarse now pursued by the Ordnance department in regu separate department ? lating the stores at the various depute. It would be recol- Mr. S. HERBERT said that, although the commission lected that great dissatisfaction was expressed by the coin alluded to had recommended the abolition of the ordnance mittee of 1849 at the accumulation of obsolete and unur 'Unable stores, and the attention of the principal store department, and although several members of that COralnit keeper was directed to the subject with a view to the re , sion had since occupied positions in the government, none 1 0 f them had endeavoured to enforce the views of the Wm- moval of the anomalies that then existed. The mission. He believed that official experience had come. house might not perhaps be aware that half derably modified their views as to the expediency of carry- yearly returns ware now required from all the establishments ing Cut that recommendation. As to the cue of the Sure- at home and in the colonies of the quantity and description Lary at War, to whom it was proposed to delegate the fune. of stores in stock, showing what were serviceable and what lions of the Secretary for the Colonies were not. But in addition to these, triennial returns were have the disposal of our forces at 110411111 supposing him to and abroad, required more elaborate and searching, to test the manner he must consult the Home and Colonial Secretaries before in which the half-yearly returns were made out. The qua doing so, so that the same results would be attained by lion, however, was, whether the system which had been means of more cumbrous machinery. Seeing the number established had succeeded or not ? lie believed it bad, and of practical difficulties there were In the way, the govern- he would state why. Ho had called for returns of unser ment could not give any pledge that they intended any al- vicoable and obsolete stores at Quebec, Gibraltar, and Dub. tendon. (Hear, hear.) lin, and in each of these stations there were hardly any of that description. The unserviceable stores had either been Mr. ELLICE confirmed the statement of the hon. mem ber for Montrose as to the intention of the committee with *old on the spot, sr, if worth the expense, sent home . for the purpose. He believed in the other colonies and stations the respect to the two regiments of guards. He wished not t o same remarks applied, and that no stores were now in stack be understood as pushing his own views to the full extent which were not serviceable, and a Treasury committee ap wasof the report of the committee, but, unless some approach pointed last year had reported that the system was now so made to a system of responsible government and control complete that they did not think any improvement in the over the military expenditure of this errantry, it was in mode of keeping down surplus stores could be effected. One vain for them to hope for that economy and efficiency which great item in the excess of this vote was the the constituencies demanded. (Cheers.) charge for arms consequent on the introduction The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to of a more efficient description of small arms say a few words to prevent a misunderstanding which might in the service. There was also an additional sum else arias as to the statement of his right hon. friend (Mr. for guns, gurn-carriages, and for 200 new shot furnaces. In S. Herbert). His right hen. friend the Secretary-at-War the vote for works, buildings, and repairs, there was an had not, he thought, been rightly apprehended by his right excess of 246,6271. over the vote of last year. This excess hon. friend behind him (Mr. Ellice). It was not his right was chargeable chiefly for fortifications—one of the prim hon. friend's intention to say that nothing could be done on pal items in it being the fortification of our naval arsenals, the great question of consolidating our military establish- necessary to place them in a state of perfect defence against hostile attack. Since 1815 the average amount expended in meats but to maintain a prudent reserve as to any planthat might! be under consideration on this subject. (Hear, providing new defences of this nature was only 13,0001. a hear.) His right hon. friend (Mr. Enna) had, however, year ; and ever since the attention of parliament and the travelled into a larger subject, one Of great importance government had been more directly called to the subject— undoubtedly. But in his belief the mem and principal that was since 1846—only about 32,0001. a year had been ground that the house would be justified in indulging • expended for that purpose. He believed there was no other hope as to the reduction of this class of expenditure depended country which had not expended much larger sums on upon measures to be taken in our colonial system—(hear, single fortifications than we had on the whole of ours. hear)—and he should be sorry if government had, as his Under these circumstances, it could be hardly wondered at right hon. friend supposed, in any way indicated, the first ilia large sum should be demanded when now, for the first moment after their accession to office, any indifference on time, the attention of the country was really aroused to the that subject. He would venture to assure him that that was necessity of provi ling for its defence. The total amount not the ease. (Hear, hear.) His right hon. friend would which would be required far fortifications was 8.3,9041., and agree with him that it was impossible fee the ministers who for fortifying the arsenals, 57,4721. There was also 60,0001. assumed official responsibility only in January last, to adapt required for improvements in the fortifications of the Chan the ordnance estimates of this year to the views they wished net Islands, and for barracks connected with those fortifica to carry out. It was impossible for them to make the dons, 33,4001., amounting together to 236,8001. There was requisite communications with the colonies to obtain the also an item of 7,1001. for the re-purchase of a necessary information to enable them to act, but this he workhouse in Cork, which was originally erected as would say, that in the principle his right hon. friend had a barna., but had been taken, in 1840, by the Poor laid down they heartily and cordially coneurred—(loud law Commissioners, for the purposes of the Poor-law. cheen)—end none more so than thou who were charged There was 3,5511. for the purchase of the renteharge of with the management of oar colonial empire. (Hear-) Richmond Barracks, and 5,0001. for completing the works. It was however impossible for them to go far in carrying There was a sum of 10,0001. for the purchase of ground for that priselpls into effect in the estimates now laid on the the increase of the Wellington Barracks, which had been table. The Secretary for the Colonies could not take rendered necessary by the lease of the Portman barracks be measures to deal with the military posts in Canada until he log about to expire. There was also a sum of 3,0501. for re bad communicated with the Governor-General, and obtained pairs of the r ance-o ea, and another of 7,8681. for con the oin ffi information necessary to place him in a position to In the vacated part of the Ordnance-office at the examine into &question so important in time for him to Towle into a storehouse. It would be remembered that have embodied the result in the present estimates. the storehouses were burnt down in 1841, and since then, (Hoar, hear.) But there was one small charge , in consequence of the accumulation of stores, many of not a very important one, with regard to Can ada, which were kept in tents, and some quits ex which he would venture to refer to, sad which his hon. pitied, it was essential that these works should be friend (Mr. Morrell) would in the Ordnance estimates, proceeded with without delay. With regard to the buildings which he was about to move , have referred to in due time — abroad, the excess was mainly to be accounted for by the that was the drugs for the maintenanes of the Rideau necessity of rebuilding barracks which had been destroyed Canal. The hense would be aware that British money to by a disastrous fire in Quebec, and for which 3,2061. would an enormous extent had been spent in the construction of be required. The house was well aware of the fatal fever that canal, and it was pnerslly supposed that a certain which had occurred at Barbadoes, and it was considered amount of revenue war derived from it ; but perhaps they advisable to endeavour to improve the sanitary condition of were not aware that up to the present time there had been the garrison by the building of a main-drain at an outlay of an annual charge incurred beyond the revenue obtained 1,8931. There were also sums of 1,4851. for works in from it for keeping up that communication, and that since Jamaica ' and of 12,9811. for continuing the building of new its construction it had swallowed up more thousands of Bri- berracksat Halifax,which were progressing vapidly. These Her were the principal items of exoesa which had been rendered fish money than he liked to name. (Hear, hear.) Majesty's government thought the time had come when indispensable, and arising out of the necessity which existed that canal should no longer be a charge is the mother ems . (Cheers.) A soneepoadence hod taken place on for placing the defences of the country in a respectable state. The fortifications had been ordered to fall into de the std the "mid nadmrlds n P leiwiwl .„ poverty ay, and if that had not been permitted, the amounts re clean% lee swede all Ownsingf_ e n 1116.___11_61alatri to repair quired now would not have been or large. fhe next vote Nelda eine canal led" Goa it •°° wen Trelemed to Film war for the scientific branch, on which there was an excess of 19,3061. Part of that emu would be found to be for ' • charge in the memat estimates forint purpose. But** government thought it would have • maul effect in bring- the Ordnance survey, which the government had thought leg the 41010863° to hose as to the lia' alty o f the colony to it best and most economical to have it provided with, energetically and rapidly, and 10,0001. had been devoted manilas the mad themelves if they declined to accede to .. that Prellneal, and accordingly the charge hall been strut' towards expediting the completion of the maps, and out of the estimates. The amount, it was true, was not • other things necessary for that object. There was an Moreau of 3111. at Chatham for the expense of giving very large one, oily a few thousand pounds ; but the in course the government bad taken tin the matter would, unction to the soldiers of the line in field works. There he hoped, be received as some indication of their future in- was also an increase for the Royal Military Academy of tendons. (Haar.) There we. another point with regard to 5731. In the next vote, that for the non-effective depart the Ordnance establishments in the smaller West India runt, there was &decrease on the last years' estimates of islands. It appeared to the government that nothing was 1,1411 . He had thus endeavoured to „ platn the moo. more unnecessary in • military , and certainly In • social tint item of diminution and excess in the years' estimates; point of view, than that these little establishments should and he would only aid that he should be happy to answer be maintained—(hear)—and accordingly his noble friend an questions which might be put to him by hen. members. had consented to do away with them, and to concentrate L. the first vote of 17,698 officers, non-commissioned the Ordnance establishments altogether in the larger ado- officers, and men for the Ordnance core, nice. (Hear.) He hoped the explanation he had given Mr. MUME (who spoke in a very low tone) was under would be received as an indication of the intention to re. stood to say, that having already made some observations on duce these charges as much as possible. (Hear.) the subject of the Ordnance on the motion for going into Mr. E. ELLICE wished merely to say that kis observe- Supply, and believing that there was no chance of doing lions had arisen from the disappointment he felt at the anything to decrease these estimates, he thought the best terms in which his right hon. friend the Secretary-at-War way would be to let them go on. lie would only say, that alluded to the subject. Had that right hon. gentleman said if the went on spending money in this way, there could as much u the Chancellor of the Exchequer he (Mr. Ellice) be no hops of any reduction of taxation. The hon. gentle should not have made a remark. man then proceeded to compare the amount of the present The motion was then agreed to, and the house went into estimates for the Ordnance, amounting t 0.3,053,5671., with Committee of those in 1834, when they were 1,700,0001. Since that time SUPPLY.—ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. they had risen every year until last year, when they Mr. MONSELL trusted he should be able to satiety the reached 2,529,8211.; and in this year they had again in committee that the equation to be provided for in the creased to their present amount. He also compared the present estimates, though in MUM of the previous year, number of men voted in the present year with that in could not, under all the cireramitemme, be ram& He 1834 and the subsequent years, and which showed a great might observe, that almost every renenteasmdmdis mode by increase. After some observations on the non-effective do the cohmittee of 1849 had been cessfed out in milmenee to panne/nit, the hon. gentleman protested against the tepee this deportment. The duties of sad barrack- dittos en barracks. It seemed, however, that people were master bad been combined in several adoitkgal instances, quite mad on the subject of defence, and so alarmed that especially in the West India and other colonise; and, as the no cm in that house could attempt with success to curb Chancellor of the Exchequer bad cxgS.laed e the Wm- this expenditure. The best course would be to put all the lion of the government in the future ethos@ doC Moms into one vete, and not enter into any particulars. multi was entirely in accordance with that Semething had been said about the necessity of getting a to stores, the committee's retrommessi= e ind been quantity of great coats, and it was said that it would be r s t Z d y followed, and with the most sadsfeatory results. In difficult to get contractors for them when they were wanted. the item of pay and allowances there was a decrease of Did any_one ever hear of contractors being wanted ? 12,6421., occasioned by there being a leas amount required Mr. MONSELL was understood to explain that it was for recruiting this year, as compared with the last, though not contractors that could be wanted, but that it would be there was a larger amount of psi charged. The increase not easy to get the work completed on a sudden emergency, in:the number of the artillery had been nude at the least and so the great roan were kept in store. possible espies :no new commiesioned idiom had bean Mr. HUME said that this was the most objectionable appointed; the additional straw* whisk baillmen given to part of the Ordnance. Why should there be three different that arm of the service being imilsoll to men and non- contracts for the clothing o the army and the navy ? The commissioned officers. With regard to the state of the Ordnance supplied great coats tothe army, the rest of their artillery, it had never been mare ellbetin than at present ; clothing was supplied from another source, and the navy and some of the eminent foreign came who MI visited was clothed by a third means of contract. The hon. this country on the occasion of the Duke ilif Weilkiglon's gentleman then ridiculed the attempts of fortifying funeral, had, dace their return home, expressed their the coast by mesas of Martello Towers, and referred high opinion of the organisation of our artillery, and of its to the abaurd expenditure of 8,000,0001. during merits as an effective force. He might add that those im- the last war in fortifying the heights of Dover, provements to which his right hon. friend the Secretary at and referred to the hon. and gallant member for Brighton War had alluded on Friday night as having been carried for a confirmation of the inefficiency of such means of de out in regard to the general army, had been adopted in the fence as were proposed for the coast of Sussex, and con artillery also. The schools, which bad been added to con- eluded by repeating his belief in the hopelessness of op siderably, were flourishing ; and besides the ordinary posing the estimates as proposed with any chance of sue schools there was one at Woolwich in which geometry, cm, arid therefore they had better be pared at once. mensuration, the theoretical knowledge of fortifications, Sir G. PECHELL hoped the house would take the ad and other branches of instruction connected with the artil- vies of his hon. friend, for they appeared to have made up lery service, were taught. There were 24 non-commis- their minds to increase the Ordnance expenditure without sioned officers in regular attendance at that school. There discussion. With regard to the coast of Sussex, the fortifi were also similar schools established in the Colonial and cations there, and the great military canal, were entirely other atatiops. There were libraries at many of those useless, and only used as places of resort for the coast stations, and at Woolwich. In the Woolwich library for guard. If there was any increase in our defences, it ought non-commissioned officers there were 3,999 volumes, and it to be in the navy, and not in bricks and mortar. had 426 subscribers, the public contributing only 301. a The hon. and gallant gentleman then referred to year towards it, the subscriptions paying the rest of the a proposal of the late government to increase expense. In the gunners' library there were 4,000 volumes, the number of guns kept in store by the Ordnance when the number of subscribers was 898, and the cost to the pub- there was already a very large number. He also alluded to lie only 411. There had been a considerable improvement the great increase its the quantity of gunpowder in conse within the last few years is the health of this force. In queue of some thousands of pounds being wanted to fire 1849-60 the mortality was at the rate of 17* in the 1,000. over the dead militiamen. ( hear , bear .) Then there In 18 .5 0.51 it was 161 in the 1,000, and in the last year it was 50,0001. fur clothing sod great coats, and 41,0001. for had been 121 to the 1,000. With regard to punishment, colours and accoutrements for the militia, making some there had been a considerable diminution, he was happy to 100,0001. additional to the sum which had been already say, in the number of instances in which corporal punish- voted. As to fortifications, if there was any fear of Cher. mcnt had been inflicted during the last two years. (Hear, bourg, there might be some use in fortifying Alderney, but hear.) In 1819 the number of corporal punishments had he h_oped there would be no more such nonsense as build been 23, the average strength of the force being 10,000; in ing Martello towers beyond Rochester-bridge, as was done _ _ in Mr. Pitt's time. He thought the best things to trust to ' were the wooden walls of this country. Colonel NORTH said that the hon. and gallant member the other night spoke as if he was glad that the quota of Militia fur the county of Sussex had not been completed. He wished to ask the hon. and gallant gentleman whether every obstaee had not been placed in the way of t h e young men's enlisting by the proprietors of that county, who threatened never to employ any one who entered the militia? Certainly those of them who were Deputy-Um. tenants, and whose business it was to carry out the law ought to have done their best for that object. Sir G. PECUBLL said he could not account for wha had been done by the landowners in a county which was 100 miles long and 40 wide. There were great landlords in that county, and he had heard that there were 100,000 men ready to march on Manchester or Birmingham. All b e could say was, that every one in the district in w hi c h Ghe (Sir . Pechell) lived, was employed, sataitiitl, and cos. tented ; and, no longer putting their trust is protectionist landlords, depended on their own resources, and were quite ready to meet any one who invaded their hearths and homes. _ General ANSON, referring to the observation of Mr. Hume as to passing the estimates its a mats, said that unless gentlemen took the trouble to analyse them it was not easy to fellow them, and the !separation of the civil and military parts ought especially to be regarded. The vote was agreed to. The neat vote was 373,217/. for commissariat and barrack supplies for her Majesty's land forces, great coats for the army, and clothing for the militia, 1(..c. Col. LINDSAY said the present system of lighting the candles was to give out &certain number of candles, which were utterly insufficient to give light. There was a couple of candlesticks in the room, and the usual mode of getting another candlestick was to use a ginger•beer bottle. (Laughter.) In some instances the barracks were lighted with gas. He asked if it were intended to carry out the system of lighting with gas ? Ile would also observe, with regard to canteens, that the present system of letting them by tender was not a good one. Mr. S. HERBERT said in some cases gas had been in. troduced, but in many instances the introduction of it would be so much more eapenaive that they had been obliged to forego it. With regard to canteens, it was a mistake to suppose than they always accepted the highest tender. They always inquired into the character of the party tendering. Mr. HUME thought they ought not to get anything out of the canteens, and suggested that they should be turned into coffee shops, and be under the superintendence of the officers. The vote was aped to. On the vote of i 1,9691. for the expenses of the Ordnance. office, Mr. HUME complained that, while 12,0)01. was er pended in the management of the department, there was not a single officer at the head who had seen se rriae in the artillery. The vote was agreed to. 291,6.574. was voted for the abroad. at home and On hhe vote of 141,4371. for wages at home and abroad, Viscount MONCK said he wished to call attention to what was felt by his constituents to be a great grievance-- namely, the exemption of the government property A l Portsmouth from the payment of local rates. That pro. petty was used for national purposes, and it was unfair that it should be the means of increasing local burdens. The accumulation of large masses of government servants always tended to increase pauperism; as an illustration of which he might observe that, in the 13 years preceding 1848, the average amount of the poor rates was 65., whereas the average amount in other towns was only Is. d. Mr. IidONSELL doubted whether the inhabitants of Portsmouth would consent to have the government tits blishment removed on account of the alleged injustice. Capt. SCOBELL thought the town had sufficient CCU. pensation in the money spent by sailors. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 371,6971. for Ordnance stores for land and sea service, Cal. LINDSAY wished to say a few won's with regard to a new musket which bad been recently issued. In many eases this weapon had proved very defective, and he knew one instance in which half the supply had to be returned. It was an old story that the arms served out by tbs Ordnance were not generally very efficient. (Hear, bear.) It was observed by the right hon. gentleman the Secretary at War the other evening that it was desirable to render the service as efficient as possible ; its efficiency must of coarse dep,nd very much on the quality of the arms. He had been informed of a case in which the axes and bill-hooks were so bad that when trees had to be cut down they were found totally unfit for use. Mr. MONSELL had not been aware of any complsiet with regard to axes, but would cause inquiry to be made without delay. lie wished he could give the same answer with regard to the new muskets. A considerable number of them having been issued to one of the regiments of guards, one-half of them were returned in consequence of not being properly sighted. On becoming acquainted with this matter the board, besides referring it to officer, in the usual course, consulted two first-rate guninaleers, and requested them to state in what place the defect ought to have been first discovered. This question had not yet been answered. The vote was aeed to. Ou the vote of 69.5,6651. for works, buildings, and recalls at home and abroad, Mr. M. GIBSON desired to be informed what public object was sought by the large expenditure which had been going on for so long a period at the Isle of Alderney. It could not be the defence of so small an island, and its thousand inhabitants. All that was asked by this vote for the defence of London was 5,0001. ; and that they should at the same time be called to lay out 160,0001, in addition to all the former expenditure for defences at the Isle of Alder ney certainly appeared very anomalous. Mr. MONSELL said, without going into details, he would remind the hon. gentleman that a harbour of refuge had been established at Alderney et a very considerable expense ; and it must be obvious to any one who considered the position of this island, that it was exceedingly desirable that that harbour should be properly protected and defended in the event of war. Eminent military authorities had de clared that with proper fortifications Alderney might be made as tuning as Gibraltar. Lord GODERICH asked whether in the new barracks there was any improvement in the accommodation for mar ried men ? Mr. MONSELL said that the matter had been attended to in as far as it had been found possible. 127,2131. scientific breach. Mr. HUME urged the necessity of completing the aid survey. At present ships were constantly placed in sitar tions of danger in consequence of the imperfect surreys that existed of the coast. Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no intention of stopping the survey, but he trusted to reduce the expense withal diminishing efficiency. Vote agreed to. 171,2151. non-effective service, military and civil. Agreed to. On the question that the resolutions be reported, Mr. HUME called attention to the quantity of powder wasted in firing salutes. Mr. MONSELL mid that the quantity had been very much reduced, and was still in course of reduction. The house resumed, and the resolution was reported. LANDLORD AND TENANT COMMITTEE. The order of the day for the resumption of the adjourned debate was then lead, and the several names agreed to without discussion. On the question that five do form a quorum, Mr. DRUMMOND remarked that the principle of the bill had been agreed to at the second reading, but now, it appeared, some gentlemen were nominated on the com mittee who were opposed to that principle. The aim queues would be that the committee would be shut up all the summer, and he for one objected to that sort of in tramural int erment. (A laugh.) The inquiry would be useless unless the committee understood what they were going to do. He believed the principle was admitted, and all the committee would have to do was to ascertain how best it might be carried into e ff ect. Mr. CAYLEY observed that the case though nominally affecting Ireland, would materially interfere with the tam of land in England. The SPEAKER reminded the house that the gunfire under discussion waa not the constitution of the committee, but whether five should be the quorum. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME thought some explanation should be geese of the views of the government. Sir J. YOUNG reminded the hon. member for East Surrey that the two bills, that of the hon. and learned mem ber for Kilkenny, and that of the late Attorney.Genenda had been read a second time and ordered to be referred to a select committee before Christmas, when the present go- vernment were not in office, and all they had to do was to carry out that order. Undoubtedly he had not acted with out the sanction of the government in the matter, and in committee their views as to the bills under consideratioe would be explained. He believed if they went into com mittee earnestly and fairly determined to discuss the difs - question to which the two hills referred, and oat of which most of the grievances of Ireland were believed to arise, a satisfactory and amicable settlement of the queetios might be arrived at. Mr. LUCAS did not consider the right hon. baronet had answered the question put by the hon. member for But Surrey, viz.: whether the government in proposing the committee were to be understood as acceding to the principle of the two bills, which, he believed, was the same, though differing in the mode in which it was proposed they should be carried out ? Lord PALMERSTON thought the answer to the ma* tion of the hon. member for East Surrey was obvious enough. Certain bills had been brought in before the adjournment, and in reading them a second time the house determined to refer both to the Stele select committee. It became, therefore, the duty of the government to come the committee, but if the hop. gentleman or any other hon. member asked in what condition the members of the government mast be understood to be who were to sit Cu that committee his answer was that they would go into the inquiry perfectly unfettered. (Cheers.) The motion was then agreed to. SUPPLY, ARMY ESTIMATESI The report of the committee on these estimates was brought up. Mr. VANCE hoped the decision of the government 1 regard to Kilmainham Hospital was not final. llis canal tuents looked upon that decision as part of a system of ces traliaation, and his constituents had urged upon him to insist upon the maintenance of that institution for the rear tion of in-pensioners. Ile moved that the vote for Nil mainham and Chelsea be postponed for re-consideration . Mr. F FRENCH seconded the motion. Mr. S. HERBERT hail previously explained that he was merely carrying out tho course determined upon by hi` pm decessor in office is accordance with the reconnuendati THR RAFFIR WAR., Mr. ADDERLiinall, seeing the Under-Seeretery for the Ceissios in his plea% he begged to put a question to' him relating to the news which had jam arrived by the In- Ana hest the seat of war in South Africa. A short time ago whets he put a question respecting an advance of troops into a fresh territory, and against a very warlike tribe, he was told that the advance was not likely to tend to hostili ties. Us wished to know whether the lon. gentlensa had received any information beyond that whisk in the puplic newspapers and if he weld labs , whether the constitution, whic k he had naderetswil ben Idat was to go ant by the next snail, wield leave the seafiest of the war and everything eonneetid with it, in the Mob of the colonists. Mr. F. PILILL sell that s maisipstieg same sack ques tion, he had team time prep Lisa et esserteraing the gene ral shames, of the &upstage whir& reseed the Colonial ediet as the imain of IbM day. The bon. gentleman was siren that General Oetheart went to the Orange River territory for the pares of eggepist to the Chief Yoshida of the caries of cads by kb laftwers. The geoesats published I. the papeis et that. swain, con tained segue& &tees el the earessatoe t aid the result, although attgailed with emeiderable hell on mar side, was the complete sahmiedsa Moshesh. As a proof of the reality *flat salmiass, he might mimics that our porn raissierma bed ea kitarefew with that chief, who assisted lit Y harping *seams gad saline 'be had fallen in the gageremet. Lord Wheat bed retina to Graham's Town, sad wade home that there wee no risibility of a renewal of Mathias at the Orange River, sr slag 400 miles of the treaties. Ms lordship that the Ohaika thief bed retell, sad as ram tam bed begs proposed to the chef broad the Het, who coo doubt weal comply with them. This, his lordship thought, would sea plots the security of tha colony and the final sabfugatioa of the Haines. PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN IRELAND. On the motion of Mr. F. SCULLY, copies were ordered of any correspondence between the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, or any committee of the same, or donors of divinity of the said church, and the Irish government, relative to the endowment of a presby teries image ' or theological professors, either in oonnezion with QueeresCollecre or otherwise, or for a grant of any sum of money for buildings, or of any memorial from the same parties to the Irish government, or replies thereto, between the la day of January, 1844, and the Ist day of March, 1863. NEW WRIT. On the motion of Mr. Hama, a new writ was ordered I. Jesse for tits borough of Fresno, the election of Colonel Boyle having been declared a void election. PUBLIC-HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL. Mr. MACKENZIE mend that the order of the day for **mend reading of this bill be read for the rupeee of peMpntag><tula Wednesday neat. Mr. MUMS hoped that the hon. number would not gem the Mil until he (Mr. Hume) had had time to take the snake of his constituents, all of whom bad expressed their dissatisfaction with the bill of last year. FACTORY ACT. Lead J. MANNERS laid MA* table, pareneat to notice, • pillion hem Tedmmiim, sesephilleg of Ps evasion of the Fluids= of the Foamy Amy asetein master manu facturers. His lordship proceeded in a low voles, which was rendered still more indistinst by the noise previcouly is the kens., t. any that the it sailed the Campaaies Ast bad set peW • lasi iisitherint of the piedes. It trhem Ur. Ifeemee's meet that the est was eon y evaded, and that patlinten expressed his opinion that the humans intaglio. of the legislator...ldd not be enbresd withent an amended set. Kr. RUNE Nee to order. If the noble lord was going t• enter tali a lengthened statement of the spi t De (Mr. Hu* &Wed the swiebege of a reply, for which he wall felif Pretend- The SPEAKER Piled that the noble lord was PI midd( sa gam y statemest if hie ewe, but merely reading en. tracts L a. e it ie=eit augers. ed sumeted, and asked whether it was the lateallee If epseetemismeM iatrodeee arty measure of sandatent, IN Mate any hydro 881 p Re the purpose of geeeentlig Mims of the law in helm IPS PAIAMMISTON said it weld bete deite of the =aialez w ell the a ssi gteeity d wa that wee vo l ited es i t a . le be say 111 , 1 . 3 Ile Wig tryeiyeit aleemliew el re l e i limdli be he the amidsr whither they perm say Mail PIM emlemiment of the airing eel APWRAY AT 81X1111.11.11111111111. Leed A. TAME, in purseasee of hb menes i t w ed the with mte Atli ntle i Vily of Wakes is =rei • as ..ninth by Aldffl rads, is hie Meer to the wad Girths meaty sof Clare, on the meet of the 'Ai was really the law , and ',bother it wee Os etesr demor, with the opinions et hoe nolesty's legal slim I Is IP agile% d swastikaantrary to Me Ems of the slum oe sod saiegenil Pe e le to the providens i l i tt b s . 3114.7 Aet. He Weed that the sadists engaged im that essesien were sanded es assansesdatien for the disst plias end °lndies.. they hod displayed. The ATTORNIT-011616.1.1. said that the duty of the law tams of the emirs es web as that of all members of the ems professits was to tehe the law frees the judges, not to element upon the szpaddeas of those functionaries. Lord A. VANE then save notice that he should move that the sapcnitioa of Judge Perrin was not the law, was seK essiesess with die array regulations, was not colsist ail Omo Mutiny Act, and the soldiers of the 32nd re gimme IMO entitled to commendation for their discipline and kehearanee. (Cheers.) NORWICH ELECTION. _.COMBS moved for a select committee to tapirs into the circumstances under which the petitions ingainet the return of the sitting members for the city of Norwich have been withdrawn ; and that the petitions pre. sented to this house on the 24th day of February be re ferred te the said committee. As he expected the motion to be unopposed, he should content himself by formally moving for the committee. - Mr. WARNER did not rise to oppose the motion, but wished to state that he bad no acquaintance with Mr. Brown, nor did he know what had induced that person to withdraw his petition. For himself, he could say that no compromise had been proposed ; and if it had, it would have been indigaantly rejected. He thought it should be explainedto the house whether the committee was to con fine itself to the question of the petition, or whether it wu to be instructed to go into the whole case. Agreed to. SUPPLY. Mr. T. On the motion that the house resolve itself into a com mittee of supply, Mr. HUME said there were some points to which he wished to call the attention of the house previous to the Speaker's leaving the chair. It would be recollected that the committee of 1837, with a view if possible of stilling the outcry against the tailor colonels, came to a resolution that