The Express. — London, England, 1851-02-08 00:00:00

fro& the proposal for a new system with regard to relations between the court of Rome and this country. I think that whatever may be our ultimate regulation on this great subject, for it is greater far than that to which the bill I am about to introduce relates, we are not yet in a position to arrange any such system. That is a thing which will depend very much on the temper with which our present legielation is received, and the obedience paid to it, and the directions which may be given to him who has taken upon himself the entire responsibility of representing at Rome the opinions of the Roman catholic clergy, and of inducing the Pope to issue these letters apostolic. That individuid hoe it in his own power to remove a great portion of the objections which have been felt to these amumptions, and if ho has been given by the I'ope a title which belongs to the government of Rome, and of which the election is placed in the hand. of the sacred college, I should think that if he ham regard to the welfare of this country, if he has regard to peace and to the stability of the Roman catholic community itself, the best course he can take will be to renounce the titles he has assumed in this country, and rather to pursue that which I believe was his original intention—which he assured me himself was his intention—(a laugh)—tom and reside in Rome--;continued laughter)—in the immediate vicinity of that sovereign to whom he Ism so loudly en protael hi. loyalty. (Loud laughter.) Howe ver, if other noutowls should pre , and he should instil sentiments of amlootioin, revenge, and rashness into the ear of the Roman court, we may then, no doubt, prepare for a long and ardunots struggle. With respect to that struggle, the part I shall take will be guided by the prin ciples which have alwaro ruled me coondutt on this subject. I am for the fullest and must perfect enjoyment of religious , bberty—!bar. hear)—but I am entirely opposed tu any terfortonet nn the part of crelosiasties with the temporal supremacy "f the realm. (Loud cheers.) For, wherever I bare teen, i yell in my own church, a &notation to assume powers which I thought were inconsistent with that tempo ral supremacy that belonged to the state, I hare not been 1110 W in urging myself, and iuducing others to urge, the strong and prevailing objections which existed to such a course. (Hear, hear.) I may osiy that, even last year, when a proposal we. made, plueolole enough in itself, to give to the behops of the estaltlihed church a power which I thought involved an undue temporal control over the clergy of their church, that proposal. because I raw in it this ibutereno,os principle, was suer+ ofulij resioged by me. and re lasted by my colleague.' in the place in which it am proposed.(bleu, hoar.) But if that is the ease with regard to pro testant. who have expremell the utnt , r4 attachment to free dom; if that is the cow with regard to a church like the church of England, which I believe is of all established church , that ever existed the meet tolerant of other sects, and the wed conuonant with the freoilons and institutions of a vaunter like this, shall I not feel more tarongly an tot:I -kea...I to any attempt on the part of the church of Rome to intmoluee her temporal ',up:re:nary into thie euuntly beer., I cannot forget that not alone in ancient limes, but rice In the more rent time., opinions have been put forth on the part of that church totally alobonent to our notions of freedom, either civil or religious. It was a very ascent Pope who said that it was from the foul spring of Molar. rentism had sprung the absurd wild and mad opinion that freedom of ellialCiyaCe could be permitted or granted to all persons in the elate. (lbw.) It is quite se recent that tie re has been kept up in the court of Rome a prodithition to study such works as littietiardini, He Thou, and Arent, and even among others I find that the Greek Keaton of Scapula is a book prohibited to be read. I think that we may my what the parliament of old mid, the parliament of the Roman catholic terms too. They refused to consent that "the crown of England, which bath been to free at all times, that it bath been in no earthly subjection, but immediately subject to God, in all things touching the regality of the same amen, And to none other, should he submitted to the Pope, and the lune and statutes of the realm by him defeated and annuli. d at his will, in perpetual distraction of the sovereignty of the King, nue lord, his crown and his regality, and of all lois realm, which Goal forbid!" (Cheers.) Sir, the parliament, the Roman catholic parliament of that day, declared " that they will stand with the same crown tied rurality, in those cases specially, and in all other cues which shall he attempted against the said crown and regality in all points with all their power." So my I ; let us, too, stand against those', attempts ut all punt, and with all our power. (loud cheers.) Mr. 110ERUCK owe next, hut the rush of members leaving the home. immediately 011 the conclusion of laird J. Itumele. speech rendered hie op uing sentences almost inaudible. We understood him to llllolllllisr fur the low tone in which he spoke, out the gntund of severe indisposi tion, moil then to complain that the noble lord, having laid a very aide foundation, hail conteuted himself with a very narrow euperetrutture. Devine gone completely through the history of Europe in his elooroliuni, he contented him self with proopming a bill which was simply to prevent Itoniati catholic tech-awake. assuming title. in the United Kingdom, or any pert of t h e Queen's lord J. RUSSELL— In the Piloted Kingdom. Mr. RGERUCE ateept“l the noble lord'. correction, hut certainly thought he had heard him add dominions. The bill ale. provided, that if a party so offending should have property left him it should be forfeited to the crown. That was the Min] and suledance of the noble lord'. bill. (liege, hear.) It appeared that if Dr. Wiseman Called himaels Archbialiop of Westminster he would he punished, but if hr eallial himself archleishop in Westminster, the law Mould he inoperative. With the noble tonne opinion respecting reek- " ainstie-al aggression he entirely concurred, but thus was this brood fallacy running through everything he had uttered. lIC atsplird the rule. which were good for a country in which the Inman catholic religion wan arta6liehed, to a country in which it was not recognised. (hear, hear.) Now, there was a country in which the Roman catholic religion held a pnition similar to its status in this country —n country, the inhabitants of which inherited a cousiderahle portion of the puritanical spirit of INGO, and which was now N.- WWII by million,. of freemen. Ile alluded, of tours', to the United States of Aine•rica, where the Roman eatholies were treated pant the none as the 444,1ton:ins, or any other sect. Ile was surprised that the noble lord, in his long transit through the world of his tory, had omitted the only country whose iMakitiOn this mutter wise Illaintinia to our own. Our Ca tholic micestora were right in wanting the power of home, and Austria is right, and France and Russia for doing the same at the present slay. And why ? Simply because the Roman catholic religion is the 4-etaldislied • of those countries, and the power of the Pope might lee -owe a most important and dangerous element in their government. Rut in this country, when• the religion was not act nowledged, there was no occasion for lei/nas tier interference. The noble lord had said that this proomedinat of the Pope'. Cana an insult to Eng lishmen, an infringement on the Quern . * preroga tive, and 4.n our right, and privileges of Englishmen. 'Hu noble lord hail told them that legislation was necessary to maintain the Queen's peen's: List. and uphold the inde pendence of the constitutem—aml what hail he done to show that it was necesaary ? The noble lord complained that the lope had not put himself in coniinunication with Great Britain pre Thins to the o stablishing of the Roman catholic hierarchy, and that the bishop. created by him in Inland had not put themaelves in comniunivation with the Lord Lieutenant. If he (Mr. Roebuck) had Lau the Lord Lieutenant, and any one of these catholic bishops had come to him, he should have said, I know nothing of you iu your rapacety ..f bishop, I natant you an I do the head of the Ileothosloto or any other met you may do what you pleas. io re sleet to the religions community to which you tectonic : you hare no power wider the law, and, so far as the law is concerned, you art. 11U MOW than a private in dividual.- If Archbishop nsan (au to call him) had, been ase treated there would have ham no occasion for this hill. The mottle lord hall called their attention to what a Bath tic parliament of England had done in former times, l i wed, no doubt, when the Inepr had more power, and England was less free than she is at present, it woo. gloriosa thing to we the parliament stand up and defend the independents.• of the country against the aggress live attempts of the papal power--hut now, when the rope was supported by foreign Laymen., :and when, if France we re to withdraw her troops, which she might lee induced to do by diplotnatie rcpt, ' , rotations. he would Le again a vagabond om the free of the earth- (hear, hear)— that the, noble lord should seise upon such an occasion to intnaluce such a bill and in a speech of two hours' duration Taal it as the bulwark of Bntish rtv, saw indeed surprising. If the noble lord could frame a few that would protect men on their death bed from priestly influence. he would go with him to the full extent ; but hr would direct it &naiad an priests —airainat methodist pre:ninon as well as agaivat lw thalir prints—against the !bishop of Loudon as against Archhishop Wiaernan. Ile would not pretend to dined an act of parliament against the catholic" when he did nut do so against the dissenting maybe r or tilt. clergyman of the establishment. Ile asked the noble lord hall lie ever Con. kat he was anted to do? For the last Nil years there had Lion a constant acknowledgment of all the s'athttlk bishopps. of Ireland by their territorial titles in official acte'lmi.^ l •• Charitable' Itesepusto Act contemplated the formation of a comminion compooed partly of Itoman ca tholic bi.hope, and that comminion had tamed from the novenion, naming those bishops by the title of their deo area. Not - and cheers.) They were named by the it t . i ! lese they were also referred toils the act of parliament stringent art of parliament which le made of every catholic priest was appointnl, and under that table had been drawn up year nan catholic bishops appouiting their sera, and that at the t' altie , under petal laws. Dui it el he lMr. Roebuck) do—what ? It was this. The noble lord warned him not to retrograde, I Ducks had warned hien to do a large and eomprehensive Ir. Roebuck's) otneethm toding—(64 ar, hear) —that it hear)—not brought forward, defend the state against the ag o pander to a narrow-minded and had been raised out of doors, and to Why, the noble lord himself .sot formidable thing, of which he description—he could not be alarmed ore —unlra, indeed, he was afraid of pried•--that influence which resulted and their industry among it was by CalliatiOn—OCT. (Dear, hear.) The utmost he net it &rind its ben. tit from its ally an aggression for the l'ope to - bill would boo imperative., in Dr. Wiseman, forbidden to of Weetstasater, were to he Is Wielmiaster, cs the Arch- Ile remembered, too, a string,• required aperiudiralmeord to be • in i reknit, statism by whom hews art of parliament table after tab year. in which the Itornan the priests were named by tires that they were liable to penalties might he asked what would In was hi. iihjection to the hill ? II 141.1.1 be (Mr. Roebuck) had war awl that the hon. member for U. tuthinir leas than undertake a systems of ligislatian. His (Mr. that this 1181 . 41MITC wm retrogrs wm a step hackwards—Osear, m the wade lord mid, to defer go-who of Rome, but to pand. ruhtar prejudice which had beci conciliate the part y opposite. slowly could not fear that fora had riven so terrible •deseriptio at the power of the Pope —unit" the influence of the priests--th fruits their zeal, their activity. the people. The way to milt taint' not by penal statut.... could say fur this law was, that utter inefficiency. lfit was 1 . 4 ally mad an archbishop here, the la tpul Una ► Stop to It. Suppose Lawtn,- the title of Archbishop a god the Catheikezekbiehop THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 8, 1851. of Melipotamus, with power in Westminster , this tension of catholicism which we now find in Ireland, and is rth2parliament would out touch him. Then, how were the real muse of that pertinacious adherence to the church they to meet the ease of Ireland ? Supposing any event the of Rome which has characterised Ireland more than any Roman catholic prelates there continuing his tale, and corn- other catholic country in Europe. (Cheers. I wish hon. mating the offeuces created by the bill, how was he to be gentlemen could for a moment imagine themselves Irish ea tried ? The noble lordhadtoldthernnothing ofthemachinery tholics, with this protestant chureleand this protestant state of the bill. (Hear.) He was creating a new offence—the ruling them as the Irish catholic, have been ruled, and you offence of being called Archbishop of Westminster—but he will at once see that the system we have adopted would have had not told them what the offence was to be held—whether been enough to make catholicism not only a faith, but a a misdemeanour or a felony—whether it was to be punished patriotism—(hear, hear)—and that every Irishman who by fine , or imprisonment, or how it was to be tried. Was abandoned catholicism and became a protestant, abandoned there ever heard so meagre a finale to so overblown a pre- not only his church, but committed himself to a party who ludde ? (Hear.) Supposing the Archbishop of Tumn— were the greatest enemies to the peace and tranquillity of' that lion of the noble lord'', fears—were to send a letter to his country. (Hear, hear.) Well, the catholic religion the Lord Lieutenant, signing himself Archbishop of Tuam triumphs; and the territorial system you adopted is now and declaring plainly that he did so for the purpose of try- breaking down by the dispersion of landed property under ing the question, how would they bring him to trial ? Wu the Encumbered Estates Act. That territorial system op it like the statesman of a great country to occasion such a pressed the peasantry, and has so greatly impoverished petition of affairs as must then take place, and to risk the them that annually, for some years, great numbers of them peace and tranquillity of one third of the United Kingdom, have been forced to exile themselves from Ireland. Lan merely because it was thought desirable to throw a tub to cashire, and all the great town., and other places where em the whale. (Hear, hear.) The bill, if operative at all, ployment is to be had, are now crowded with a population would operate for mischief and not for good—for excite- which, bat for the government of this country with regard mint and ill feeling, and not for peace and tranquillity. to Ireland, would have been living comfortably, and (Hear.) Ile appealed to the common justice of the industriously, and prosperously in their own land. house on this ground—he showed that the whole conduct (Cheers.) Well, this is a fitting retribution. (Hear, hear.) of her elajesty's ministers had tended to and conduced to I wish some one ca p able of such a work would write a his the belief, in the minds of catholic., that what they were tory of the retributive justice which has overtaken this about to do would give no offence to their protestant country in relation to its deal ings with catholic Inland. lmethren. (Hear, bear.) If so, and if the government had Catholicism, we are told, is spreading ; and I admit that it es conducted itself, believing that the people of England does appear to he spreading. But I believe those appear weve above prejudice in such matters—if so, they were not anew arise from the circumstances I have before referred justified, bemuse of the excitement out of doors, 'because of to. Our legislation, then, has borne fruits to Rome both in the phantom they had themselves raised, to bring forth Ireland and in England. (Hear, hear.) Let us inquire as obsolete laws, and in the fear that they were obsolete to to Englund. England shows symptoms of returning to seek to reeennte them. The ouble lord might depend upon Rome. But where are these symptoms ? In the people it, that when in 100 years hence people should look . back to or in the clergy ? (Hear, hear.) Why, the noble lord's the events of the present time , they would be surprised, not letter tells us where it is. (Hear.) The noble lord has that a giddy multitude should be led into such extrava- discovered that that great institution, which was supposed trances of bigotry, but that a statesman like the noble lord to be the bulwark of protestantism, turns out to be a huge should have allowed himself to be carried away, and sue- manufactory of a national or home-made popery. (l an e, render mind, heart, and head, into the hands of an ignorant ter.) Idu not mean to say that tho-e who are retrograding and harmed populace, and that be should have had the are willing to recognise the supremacy of the Pope • but it cou rage to come down to the House of Commons and ask is a fact that they do adopt the p ri nciples of the pa pal mil ks sanction to the most laundering act which had ever Ms- gion, such as a sacramental church, the special powers of graced the Teemed. of parliament, even in the most bigutted priests, and the subjugation of the mind to the priestly in period of our history. (Wee, bear.) Mutate. 1 recollect travelling with a clergyman of the Mr. J. O'CONNELL acknowledged the temperate chg. church of Englund lately, and he said frankly that he ratter of the ministerial promaition, and felt himself abes thought the great evil of the day Sea' , the prote.tantism of to support the measure, though he believed it would prove this country. (Great laughter.) Again, this very . month inefficient and paltry. Ile explained and vindicated the it happened that I met two clergymen in one proceedings of the papal authorities in reference to Ireland, day—(a laugh)—and they quite as frankly told me of De. Cullen, and of the ? nod of Thurless ;he controverted that they did not bold the doctrine of the supre some of the allegation : oford J. Russell as to the conduct niacy of the Queen at all. Turn for a moment, then, and of the l'ope in other catholic countries, as well as hie de- consider this English church. This English church has elections from English history; ; and repelled the implied been established very much as it now is for nearly three charge of disloyalty made against the Roman catholic% he- hundred years. It has been called the bulwark of prates li cause they do not acknowledge the spiritual or ecclesiastical tantism. Let us examine what this church has had at its supremacy of the Queen over their own affairs. disposal ; and 1 will, if I can—but I cannot, doubtless-- Mr. 11. DRI;MMOND, though no catholic, rejoiced that examine it with something like impartiality. It has bad a church existed which still, in matter of faith, presented a the universities of Oxford and Cambridge. Dissenter, I hslwark against the advances of infidelity and latitudina- believe, cannot go at all to Oxford, aid they do not ma on rianion. But in matter of practice lie denounced the domi- 'very well at Cambridge. (Laughter.) It has had some nation of the priesthood, the slavery of the laity, and the two dozen Bishops in the Home of Lords. The daring assumption by the papacy of authority over Fisica noble lord (Lord John Russell) mid to-night that polities and powers. Recapitulating many instances of he was strongly opposed to ecclesiastical udiueneel cutholic extension in England and Ireland, be inquired in temporal affairs. (Cheers, and loud laughter.) what measures were to he taken for its repression , and Why, if we walk to the other h o u s e , we see 24 or 20 bishops, insisted on the necessity of guarding aga i ns t its and it is a remarkable fact that they always sit behind the voracious appetite for endowments and bequests. government. (Went laughter.) When a minister crosses Ile was esteniehel to hear that this was nut a question of the house the biehum stay where they are; they always aggression ; in no state of Europe would the }eve have keep the government side. (Great laughter.) (Inc of these 'hired to do what he had done here. This act was in fur- bishops, the archbishop, has an income of 16,0001. a year. I theranee of the old scheme for establishing the domination' beeard the noble lord, when this archbishop was appointed, of the priesthood and the subjection of the laity. In Ire-Istate that he (Lord J. Russell) had made an arrangement lend, humility towards this country was kept up in the by which the salary would be brought down from its minds of the people, who were taught to believe what their hitherto unknown and fabulous amount to this 15,000/. prieds told them as if it were the voice of God. To this a year; and the noble lord said, with a coolness I thought anti-English spirit at Itomieas well as to the thintfor p e wee, inimitable, that he hoped this would be quite ottisfaetory. Mr, Drummond traced this act of usurpation, the civil and ((heat laughter.) The noble lord, however, has a bumble social evils attending which he described 'livery dark colours. idea of his own services, and did not propose on the 'salaries' The dangerous and insidious power which they had to coin- committee to give the chief officer of the government more bat, was the subtle and underming influence of the Roman than 5,000 f. a year, though it would be difficult to say priesthood, exercised as it was over every individual pm -1 what bishop had ever dune one half the service freeing their faith, and with reference to every action of his to the country which the head of the government was in life. The Pope had never renounced the claims of his church . a habit of performing. Not only, however, here, but where tn diepnee of the crown of England, and the Irish priests • ever the)' travel, these bishops and archbishop* are our had never intermitted their efforts to make Ireland ungo- ! rounded with pomp and power. A bishop was sent lately tamable by protestant rulers. The hon. gentleman went to Jerusalem ; and he did not travel like an ordinary man on to stigmatise I/r. Cullen as the anti-English minion o f a —lie had a steam-frigate to himself—the Devastation. foreign priest—as a espy of the Pope—and as having been a I (Great laughter.) And when he arrived within a stone's noted sympathiser with the Smith O'Brien attempts at re- throw, no doubt, of the house Where an apostle billion, and then demanded whether the abomination of lived, in the house of Simon, the tanner, he was scoundrels going round the country and enticing fe male': saluted with a salute of 20 guns. (Laughter.) The other children into nunneries was to be permitted to go on ; and day in a Bombay paper I saw that the Bishop of Madras ("included by arguing that inasmuch as the supremacy of had been leaving that port, and ache passed out lee gut a the Queen was epiritual as well es temporal, the prmeedinge ' salute due to his rank aud dignity. 1 believe hon. gentle of the Pope, even if purely spiritual, amounted to an inroad men on the other side of the uuse think more honour due capon her jurisdiction. I to bishops than to peers, and consider that to speak against Mr. ROCHE, who characterised the speech of Lord J. the established church is a sort of crime very nearly akin to Russell as a homage to the spirit of bigotry which he had high treaeou. This church of England has the crown in its contributed tonaee, contendell that the bill proposed was U 33. favour, the parliament at its back, and the noble lord himself has a compact with the bishops. (Laughter.) necessary inasmuch as the 13th Eliz., e. 2, was sufficient to meet the offence of introducing hulls ; whilst it was an ! This has been the ease since the noble lord has been iu attempt to ignore the Roman Catholic church, which had . Power front 1146, having, no doubt, taken warning by what been virtually, and even directly, recognised by the legis- , took place when he was formerly in office. Ile has olive lature. The wont feature of the bill was that it was to I ously a league offensive and defensive with the bishops ; extend to Ireland, where a religious agitation would be ,be is to let the bishops alone, and they are to let him meet mischievous. alone. (Laughter.) 'I his church has the army, the magi. Mr. P.lOOltE said, the appeals which Lord 3. Russell tracy, and the police, at its disposal and in its favour. It bed made to ancient English history, and to examples ; has from beet° fifteen thousand priests spread over all the amongst European states, seemed to adopt the policy of parishes of guglimd. One half of these, 4,000 are pree deeputic governments, and to abandon that of free inmitu- melted lye prieute patrons. I make no charge against theee bishops of the establiehed church. Many of them are not nuns. America was a more germane example, and that he had overlooked. 'fhe question was, whether ltoman ea. to be surpassed by the ministers of any church. There can tholic prelate. should IM nominated at all ; if the Pope be no doubt that the church which hue heed so lone, and must not nominate, and the state stood aloof, the Sovereign which retains still so much of the affection and respect of protesting against the religion of one-third of her subjects, the people 'Atha country, is not to be treated lightly. But I this was tyranny. If the nation hail retrograded into se- still it is a church of itheouhuicy and domination. (Hear, I enrol ehildhood, this home should assume its high function bear.) It has votes of money from parliament to almost an , of asorting, againet the wild voice of agitation, the deve- unknown amount ; aud it has a revenue of millions, of I eminent of minim public opinion. If so much respect was which the parliamentar plummet has never vended the depth. (" Hear, hear , " and laughter.) Well, and 'Where paid to the your of the people of England, what was to be I said to the people of Ireland ? There hut one answer now is this churel ? In the year 1140 it has not would he given to this measure—"We defy you to carry i t only not sand the country from the Pop e , but, according into effect. " to the statement of the prime minister, it is deeply infeeted Mr. BRIOIIT commented upon the inconsistency be- with popery itself. (Hear, hear.) Now I tusk if your ma- Morn the tenor of Lord John Russell's letter where the chinery in any other department had as tidally failed in progress) of high church principle', Wile set forth as the I effecting the purpose for which it was estublished, would most threatening hewer, and his conduct in omitting all I you not entirely get rid of it ? (Hear, hear.) This church mention of that danger in the royal speech, and now pro- i took i* tamps: from Ileum. VIII ; it was fixed where it is peeing a trivial measure in which it was not touched. But Iby Egmbeth, she hating the Pope at Rome because she he believed this would Ix• hut the beginning of measures, if ' was herself l'ope at home—(laughter)—and it was to her the precedent of interference were once established. Catho- imperious and tyraunieal despotism more than to anything liciem was said to lie progressing. He did not believe such else we owe the Met that what was culled the reformed to be the fact. In numbers the catholic., especially in church of England is not really reformed. Mr. Bright Lancashire,' were inereming by immigration from Ireland ; then contrasted the minister's declaration against the in but promlytera to that faith was almost entirely confined tereference of ecclesiastics in temporal affairs with the vast to clergynten of the established church. On the other side, secular powers, numerous dignities, and privileges enjoyed we had - attempted for some centuries to proselytise the Irish Iby the prelates and clergy of the established church, catholies by force, and now maintained a church in Inland and the political union they maintained with the civil with a vast array of power, patronage, and wealth, ostensi- governor.. For ages the church had existed as a political My for the purpose iif conversion ; but the catholic,. were machine and the opponent of all legislative reforms. Un still exterminated nor converted. The establish- fortunately zeal had entered its ranks ;it was rent by hitter mint in Inland, united as it was with the civil power, had schisms, tend kept together only in name by the posoasions worked ill for protestantism ; and in England had contra to which it held a parliamentary title. In America religion butteh to the formation of a home or *national popery.: In was arrayed in more modcot and suitable guise, and there further reference to the church in Ireland—Mr. Bngbt said catholicism, so far from progressing, was reduced by- ex the Irish Church— for, I believe, it is no longer to be tensive conversion. The hon. member concluded by enun called the Established Church, but the Irish branch of that elating the principle that church discipline was not a sub ehurch—hae lately become alarmed, and does not thank the )act for legislation, adding that the present attempt to legis noble lord (Lord J. Rumen) for his celebrated letter, late upon it would be impotent and useless. because that letter calls attention to the existence of Mr. DISRAELI said he wished to mean the attention of this church in Ireland. (A laugh.) The safety of the the house from that controversial rhetoric which, he feared, Irish church depends on its being entirely overlooked. the policy of the government had afforded considerable d(Laughter.) This Irish church is an institution, if I un- scope to. (Hear, hear.) He was anxious to explain the entand it rightly, placed inbaland for the purpose of eon- reason why he gave his vote for the introduction of 'ening the' Roman catholic. of that country ; for the pur- the bill. Ile did so because he thought it was pine of being the hond of union between Great Britain and of interest that the community in general should Ireland. Oheerve, now, what this church has had at in see what was the result of that remarkable agitation which disposal. It has had the whole power and favour of the had been fostered by the government—(hear)—and which crown, and the whole power and favour of parliament. It had led to a national demonstration that perhaps had seldom hi had all the laws parliament could make to help it, bean equalled. (Hear, hear.) He weld not but think and it has had the whole administration of these laws in its that to-morrow, when the report of the contents of this bill own hands. It has had the army and the police at its dim would be made known, there would be a feeling of great ed. It has collected rates from nll the catholics of Ire- disappointment as well as mortification. (Hear, hear.) Le land, and it has carried 011 a war with the peasantry for them remember for a moment what the bill we. intended tithes, to that extent that it has been acknowledged that to combat. It was intended to combat an aggression. Let to gain 12,000/. value of tithes the government of this the house remember the origin of its now familiar—fami country, aiding the Irish church, had to spend 28,0001. in liar but fearful—form. (Hear, hear.) That expression, military and police. It has had all the patronage of Ire- selected by the minister himself, and offend to the coun t:mil at its disposal; it has had all the dignitaries of state. try, was a reason for that appeal, both to the passions and It has Iron, in short. a church of ascendancy and of demi- the reason of the nation, which he in his wisdom felt it his nation in Ireland. What is more, it has had an amount of duty to make. (Ileac, hear.) Such, then, was the property at its disposal Opal to at least a principal nun of weapon with which the first minister of the crown, 20,000,000 e, the annual income of which has been received after three months of unexampled agitation in the by its bishops and its ministers. This church hue been country, after three months' consultation with his col' allied with power ith the civil ; and there has not been an act leagues—such was the weapon which he had pre to of uppresaion which the civil power has committed in Ire- defend the church and state from the great intrusion which land which has not beets committed either in obedience to Ihe had denounced. He (Mr. Disraeli) did not think that that church, or with its must cordial and constant ament weapon was equal to the office for which it was intended. (Hear. hear.) Nay, mon•, that church hue denounced (Hear, hear.) He thought that many would be of the every effort ever made to give anything like freedom to the opinion that the result was somewhat smile following fr om R oman cathodic population of Ireland. The noble lord the antecedents that had so largely attracted the public himself at the heed of the government has been denounced notice. (Hear, hear.) Was it for such that a Lord Chan within my recallection by thaw in favour of the church of teller a England trampled on a cardinal's bat ? (Cheers Irelesul because he was suspected of being frit ndly to the and laughter.) Was it for that that he called forth, as it rights and liberties of our catholic fellow subjems. And, were, a battery of acclamation from the metropolitan muni after all, the Irish catholic, have not been exterminated, cimlity ? (ltenewed cheers from the opposition benches.) and their religion has not been suppressed. (Hear, bear.) It Was it for that that the tint minister of the crown, with is a common saying, and it is an accurate vying, that truth more reserve, delicately intimated to the asse m bled is indestructible. - But let the house remember that there t l the hops, shadow of the Armada darkened the eras of Eng . , even greater danger was at hand, and when o guests that there had been occasions when, per is is another thing which is indestructible, and tha is a pem eutel error. (Cheers.) Now, I hope those ge t htienta who sit n e ar me (the teeth member.) will not for an instant lend ? Was it for that that all the counties , and corporati ons suppose, when 1 speak of their church as being a church ot! of England met ? (Hear, hear. Was it for that that all emir, that lamto be understood a. ',eying anything offen- I the learned and religio us societies of the kingdom &seem ! sive to them. (lentil cries of " Year , hear.") I hold opinions ; bled, and that eta riod the most inconvenie nt, in order, very different from the opinions they hold, and would treat , ZIA they th h pe riod d h time to reopen to t e appeal of the sovenign, I their church with all the deference end coned • ' which totem ash the . . era on and lose no in assuring her Majesty that they would en to maintain towards myher authority and uphold her 'supremacy ? Hear (Hear, hear.) I was stating that this Irish guar d ee., and renewed cheering from the i t • eh reh hse been h aqued with the civil power. I that opposition.) Was for that the great universities of Oxford and Caen recollect a raying of 'yen ancient father of the ch urc h , who lived, I think,in a the e i . ghth century, which is spindle s - bridge, with the great city of London, went in solemn ble in this ease. Speaking of the difficulty he found procenion, in order to offer , at the foot of th e cos- throne, insurances of their devotion ? (Hear, hear.) vetting the Saxony, he said of the memo nary clergy, that Was it for this that the had they entered on the work of conversion with k in d ness 1 el ectric telegraph had been cm p played to convey the royal response to the address, which and generosity, had they been as zealous iu manifemin Christianly conduct as in collecting tither—Sint Practii g was to impart courage to the metropolis ? ea- What were these remedies ? Some Romancatholic • ( Laughter. ) totes, nets Proedatorrs—preachers, not plunderers—(greatDollops be prevented fromtaking • , laughter), their difficulties would have beeu considerably Ims ' were titles which ' to a certain The church of Ireland said to the governmeut of wi l l tovt • extent, they were prevented by the existing law from am "If you will defend me with the sword , I def end earning, and the only difference now would be, that they would be prevented from taking territorial titles which you with the pen ;" and PO these two pewees have always WI. gone together in Ireland; and the result is this, that I think Th ec e 2 ed b • the prelates not ass um of the national church. it capable of demonstration that the syst dem pursue y was not stated —40 e penalty which was to be imposed if they did so them together—met/ming the catholic religion to be less would be * o perhaps — for that amount quite worthy f the occasion. (Hear, hear.), pun than the protestant religion—is at the root of that ea- Was this feat of petty persecution all that the governosent could devise ? Was this the only weapon they could em ploy on a solemn political exigency of ouch vast importance? (Hear, hear.) They could only meet a great political exigency it seemed - by a remedy purely technical. Not a single principle had been established—not a single principle had been vindicated—and, in his opinion, no substantial evil would be remedied. (Hear, hear.) But mark the address by which this insignificant project had I lbeen introduced. The difference between the noble lord's project and his pneernium was most significant. If he hail been introducing a measure for a penal law, the proportions of his speech could not have been more colossal. (Cheers.) When the noble lord's letter appeared, in conse quence of an appeal made to him by his constituents, he recommended them to pause, and not to act until they thoroughly understood the question; that the question was a very comprehensive one, and that it would be impos sible to legislate for England without legislating for Ire land. (Hear, bear.) What was the opinion of the autho rities which governed Ireland ? They derided the idea of legislating for Ireland, and said that the circumstances of the two countries were so unlike, that it was not the in tention of the ministry to legislate for Ireland. (Hear, hear.) But mark the speech of the minister of the crown that night. He came at once to Ireland, and made the synod of Thurle% the basis of his measure, and not the visit of Cardinal Wiseman to England. (Hear, hear.) This was an inconsistency which, after three months of inconsistencies, he was certainly much surprised M. (Ilea:, hear.) And what was the reason given by the noble lord to-night for the strange contrast between his introductory statement and his remedial pmpo *hien ? Why, forsooth, the thing was insignificant. (Hear, hear.) How did he descihe the papal aggression that for three months, through his instrumentality—(cheers) excited the passions of the whole people ? It was descrilini that night by the noble lord as a blunder on the sudden. Perhaps the letters of other people also were blunder% on the sudden. (Loud cheers and counter cheers.) But he could not agree to the assertion that the conduct of the Pope had been sudden or precipitate, fur circumstances of public notoriety and well known occurrences and events might have will justified his llolin, se in the course he adopted. (Hear, hear.) When he recollected what had occurred in Ireland and the colonies with regard to Roman catholic bishops—when he recollected that the Viceroy of Ireland had been in direct communication with the l'ope himself, and that he had expressed high veneration for the character of his Holiness, that he consulted him, and deferred to his judgment, he could not imagine, or rather he (fluid not agree, to the allegation that the conduct of the l'ope be it right or wrong, was a sudden act, or was adopted without due reason and due discretion. (Cheers.) But besides all this he could not forget that not long ago the first minister of the crown expressed himself in the following language in reference to the Ituritnn Catholic Relief Bill. '1 he noble lord, in July, 151.5, used the following language: "he be- Hexed they might repeal those disallowing clauses which prevented a Itoman catholic bishopaesuming a title held by a bishop of the established church." The noble lord, then, only a few yeah ago hail uo objection to Roman cathodic bishops assuming the title %held by bishops of the eetablished church ; he had no objection then that Cardinal Wiseman should ' assume the title of Archbishop of Canterbury, for there were no grounds, he said, for the continuance of these re striction.. (Hear, hear.) Did the noble lord <Puppies , that the opinions of en eminent an individual on a subject 141 such paramount importance were not duly noted down, rind ronveyed to the Vatican. (Hear, hear.) And when the Pope knew that such was the opinion of so eminent a personage, and when the representative of the sovereign entered into direct communication with him, and wrote in a tone of deferential homage, and when he might have read that the Roman catholic archbishops and bishop'ss took peace-' donee, owing, as it occurred, to an unfortunate circum stance now satisfactorily amounted for—(laughter)—wae it right, as the noble lord said that night, to say that the conduct of the Pope was a blunder on the sud den? (Hoar, hear.) He would not enter into the question whether a communication was made or not to Lord Minto. All he would say was, that the details given that night showed that some communication was made, and be was certainly very much surprised that an envoy sent on a mission of confidence, when he was told that " there was something there which touched Englund," never had the curiosity to ask—(loud cheers)—" pray what is it ?" (Cheers.) lie had no doubt Lonl Nieto on hie next mission would profit by his past ex perience, and of all the public men in Europe who had been sent on public missions, Lord Minto had certainly run the most remarkable course of any of them. (Hear, hear.) The financial reformers made war, amongst other things, against the expense of diplomacy ; hut from what they had seen of the operations of un amateur diplo matist, he trusted, that in future, whatever the service might be, whether it was open or secret, whether it sus a mission of war, peace, or religion, they would prefer the ser ekes of the professional diplomatist. (Hear, hear.) In his opinion the course taken by the government was not merely unsatisfactory fur the present but was extremely dangerous for the future. (Hear, hear.) It was a great evil, after what had occurred, to baulk the expectations of a nation. The noble lord held out a prospect of ulterior measures—he chalked out an illimitable career of petty persecution, but he did not seek to accomplish n solution, such as would be worthy of a statesman, of a gnat political difficulty. (Hear, hear.) Suppose other impel...ions were to follow, they were to lie met by other measures—party passions still more bitter, popular prejudices more vehe ment, rancour, feud, anti the odium thcalogienot were to be j kept alive throughout the whole country. (Hear, hear.) The new measures would produce other blunders on the sudden, and these blunders on the sudden, which might occur perhaps year after year, would be met by laws on the sudden, not so fortunate probably in the result which they were intended to control. Were they to have the p while. governing England by a continual popish cry 'which was never to be brought to nn end ? (Hear, hear.) ; In his opinion the existence of a Roman catholic hierarchy in a protestant country, not recogniaed by the law, was a great political coil. (Hear, hear.) Ti' reconcile the recog nition of such a hierarchy by the law with it sacred and complete revert fur the civil and religions liberties of Roman catholics was a political problem difficult to %Mee. But though it might be difficult to solve, it woe in his opi nion not impossible if attempted, not by means of any conenniat with a foreign prince, hut of the internal and essential power of an English parliament. Ile did not say that that was a political difficulty which a cautious states man would under any circumstances have courted ; he did not say that it was a measure which any man would have gone nut of his way to introduce to parliament ; but he said this. that when a statesman had taken the course which the noble bird had done, he was hound to at tempt to solve that problem—he win bound to introduce a measure equal to the occasion, instead of meeting a great political emergency, which he himself had fostered, if not ereated—(cheers),—by a technical remedy unworthy of the dignity of parliament and of the occasion which it was intended to cope with. That was the view which he took of the conduct of the government. Ile should not oppose the introduction of their bill, which was the severest condemnation of their conduct for the last three menthe . But let the house consider that by passing that 11411 they would do nothing; they would not in any way tope with the question they were bound to meet. They might gain time, too brief to count in the history of a nation, only to have to encounter the same difficulty very shortly, aggravated by the manner in which they had shrunk from the difficulties which they had themselves created. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL denied that the papal act would reuse any Roman catholic to violate his loyalty to the Queen. Sir R. H. INGLIS entered into a warm defence of the established church against the hill of indictment which he said had been preferred by Mr. Bright. lie would not, at the present stage, discuss the proposition of the government, bathe felt mon inclined to thank the Prime Minister for his lettter and his speech, than fur the measure, which, so far as could be now ascertained, would prove insufficient. Mr. REYNOLDS moved the adjournment of the debate. (Cries of " divide.") Lord J. RUSSELL said if there were any bon. mem bers who wished to address the house before the bill was brought in he certainly should not wish to prevent them, and he hoped the house would agree to the adjournment of the debate. The debate was then adjourned. PASSENGERS ACT. Mr. HAWES moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend the Passengers Art ; the object, he said, was to extend it to steam as well as to sailing vessels. The bill was brought in and read a first time. The house then adjourned at a quarter past 12 o'clock. TIrE CORNWALL. HIRED CONVICT SHIP is still at moorings opposite the Arsenal, Woolwich, with 183 con victs on board, and is to have a guard of pensioner., who intend settling in Van Diemen's Land. On Thursday evening some of the convicts removed two bars, which pro tected the scuttle through which the chain cable passed to the deck, and by that means obtained aeeess to the hold, and having broken open a case of spirits, soon imbibed n quantity sufficient to make them quite drunk. The iron bars had been fixed to the deck of the vessel with bolt., but as they did not pass through, the convict, soon removed them. Shipwrights have, however, been employed to-day on board the Cornwall from the dockyard to make the bars over the scuttle thoroughly secure in future from the thieving practices of the claw, many of whom are irreclaimable. Some of the convicts in the dock yard are such adepts at their previous profession, that they have been known to pick the pocket of one of the heads of the departments, and although the act was witnessed and information immediately given, and the gang of convicts immediately taken and searched, the missing handkerchief could not he found. The new plan of instruct ing the convicts to write on board the hulks is beginning to operate favourably. The well-inclined were formerly held in subjection by the majority who were badly disposed, as, if they were seen speaking to the guards or the authorities, the'other convicts led them a miserable life under the im pression that they were informers. Since the introduction of writing materials, they now drop any communication they have to make into a letter-box, at the same time as the letters they write to their friends. By that means informa tion was recently given that three ot` the convicts had on coloured clothes under their convict dress, for the purpose of facilitating an attempt to escape among the workmen when they left the yard, and on searching the three con victs the information was found to be correct. THE NEW VICAR OF SHEFFIELD (the Rev. Thomas Rale) has refused to allow the Rev. Canon Trevor to officiate in the parish church. A meeting of Mr. Trevor's friends has been held, at which it was unanimously resolved to take proceedings at law against the church burgesses for payment of Mr Trevor's salary. Sir Fiftroy Kelly, It is understood, I. s to as retained for Mr. TroTor.—Endforsl Oitsroor.. I MR. BAGSHAW AND THE BISHOP OF put over thin vast diocese of London. llow can he LONDON bear his own thoughts when he reflects how many ---..—. hundreds or thousands he hes shut out from hearing what, in the awful words of that Book, might have made them " wise unto salvation?" Perhaps it is " vulgar railing." (From the Daily News.) Ora readers will no doubt remember a case to which we drew their attention a few days since—the case of Mr. BAGSIIAW and the Bishop of LONDON. They will probably be curious to know what apo logy can be made for the Bishop, and who is his advocate. The advocate—the only one of our 'contemporaries who has been hardy enough to assume that position—is a weekly paper called the Ene/isA Churchman. The apology is so ex ceedingly diluted, that, although we have en deavoured to precipitate the few particles of argu isient which are suspended in a whole pailful of a sub-acidulous and rather rancid mixture, we are not sure that we have succeeded in trading anything but dirt. The En!,./isli Churchman gives an opportunity of judging of his candour by the mode in which It treats the correspondence published in the IDaily New, it omits Mr. BAGSIIAW'S calm and temperate statement of the case, addressed Ito ourselves, and heads the eorrespondence thus:— " Attempt to supersede the Parochial System of the Church," with a subjoined notice, that it ap pears in the Daily New*, " a radical latitudinarian paper." We presume that the word latitudinarian must be introduced as a sort of apology for our insertion of the letters of the Bishop of LONDON; and the acknowledge that when a Bishop refuses to allow the building of a church, it may be thought that he is a traitor to religion, and that his writings cannot but he unfit for general perusal. So far, then, we will take the English tharchaton's hint, and subjcet anything which may proceed from the episcopal pen to a strict censorship; but how our contemporary can make out that building proprietary churches supersedes the pa rochial system we confess we cannot under stand. What is the parochial system ? A system the object of which in England is to provide spiritual instruction by . the agency of protestant ministers, and one characteristic of which is that for certain purposes the country is broken up into districts called parishes. If the object of the system were that ashy one mi nister should officiate within the limits of any given district, and if, according to the principles of pro- testuntism it were dangerous for a second or a third to do so too, it might be said that, to build a pro prietary church without assigning to it a district, was an attempt to supersede the parochial system. But' we defy the Bishop of LONDON to say that this is the object of the parochial system, or that if each were its object it would be practicable if right, • or right if practicable. Take the parish of Maryle bone. Its population is about 160,000. The •• pa rochial system" supplies only 10,000 sittings, of which but 4,000 are free. These 10,000 sittings have cost the parish one hundred and seventy thousand p mods, and in the seven years, 1833-12, only just rid their own current expenses , without interest, caving a sum of frrty-urea thousand ramds to be paid by church-rate for the accruing interest. At the same rate it would require nearly a million of money to supply as much church accommodation as exists even in Paddington, itself so notoriously defi cient in the article as to have attracted Mr. BAG SHAW'S attention, and been the scene of his benevo lent but fruitless effort. ..And this million would of course add forty thousand a year to the church-rate of the parish. So much for the practicability of the Bishop's plan of church extension. Now look at another phase of the controversy. The Bishop has not yet succeeded in shutting up all the proprietary chapels in Maryle bone, although he will of course do so as bOollas pos sible ; and it thus happens that at present it is to these " wrong things,' as the English Mire/man calls them, that the parish owes more than half its church accommodation. Then: are 13,000 seats in proprietary chapels—chapels, be it remembered, which have to pay their own expenses as they can, while the much vaunted parochial system can only boast of 10,000, of which but 4,000 are free. We have noticed that our contemporary has omitted Mr. llaGsitaw's own account of the cir cumstances which gave rise to his correspondence with the Bishop of LONDON. But he does worse; for in giving an outline of the case, he says that Mr. BAGSIIAW bought the lease of the plot on which he meant to build his new church, from some nu,' ire or other. It is plain enough that the insinuation intended to be con veyed is, that Mr. 13.4.650ww's motive was gain. Until he is proved guilty it is but fair to suppose him innocent, and to .take his own word when he says that the scheme was " entered into in a Christian spirit, interfering with and injurious to no one, but originating in a sincere desire to do something, however small, to extend the spread of lrotestantism, such as held by the Church of Eng and." But even supposing Mr. BAGSHAW had no other object than the" sweet simplicity of five per cent.," does this make the Bishop's conduct one whit the better ? The efficacy of sacraments is held by the ltomish church to depend on the inten-1 tion of the dispensing priest; but we never yet heard that the efficiency of a proprietary chapel was M any way affected by the motives of its founder. The only substance of an argument which we can detect in the columns of our contemporary is the fol lowing: HORRIBLE MURDER M FRANCE. At tits end of last month M. /Jcsfontaines, manufaeturer of bronzes, Rue Honore, 122, in Paris, was obliged to dis mit% his man-servant fur misconduct, and he applied to ono of the bureaus de placement (register offices for servants) for another. The bureau sent a young man of about i twenty-four, who produced excellent certificates , and was at once admitted. Early in the morning of the 13th the new servant, who had then been about a fortnight in the place, went to the corner of the Rue Royale and bargained with two commissioners to convey three trunks, containing, he said, goods and patterns, to the Centre Railway, Boulevard do lie then took the men to the house; and, hav ing told the concierge that his master had already left fur the railway station, that he was about to join him, and that they should be absent several days, he helped the commis sionnairex to put the trunks, winch were very heavy, into a hand-cart, and saw them leave. He afterwards went away himself. The neighbours were greatly surprised to see the shop of N. Desfontaines closed on the next and fol lowing days ; but, to their inquiries, the concierge said that he had goue with his servant on a journey which was to last several days. As, however, he hail not spoken of this jounwy either to his relations Of most intimate friends, and at., moreover, his business required his presence, some alarm was felt, and a communication was made to the com missary of police. An application was even made to the prefect to cause an investigation. Things were in this state when, these or four days ego the prefect of the department of the Wry informed the Minister of the Interior that a horribly-mutilated corpse had been found in the railway station at Chatmuroux, in a trunk which had been sent from Paris. This trunk bore the address, " Moreau,watch maker, at Chateauroux ;" hut no watchmaker of that name resided, or ever had resided, in the town. The trunk had been opened in ennwapnawe of a strong smell which issued from it. As soon as this intelligence reached the Prefecture of Police, the recent declaration respecting the disappearance of M. Desfontaines was called to mind, and orders were given to send up the trunk and the body to l'aris. En quirt's; having born math , as to when and liv whom the box wax sent from Paris, it was ascertained that on the 13th three trunks had been taken to the station by two commis sionnaires ; that one, rowinhling a lady's travelling trunk, covered with oil cloth, unit weighing WO killogrammes, had I been sent separately to Chateauronx, whilst the other two, which were mare solid, larger, and heavier, had lwen taken by the owner to Bourges, and he had paid extra hir them, as they exceeded the weight of luggage allowed to each pas senger. The trunk arrived in Paris on Friday morning by the live o'clock train, and it so happened that the two com missioners who had conveyed it to the station arrived at the same time with the luggage of a pcson alsaut to leave. They and the trunk were sent to the prefecture of police, and a judicial investigation was forthwith isonmeneed. The trunk, or rather box, was fastened with a laillotk, and hound round with rondo. The judicial authorities of the Ware had placed their seals on thew cords The Adams's " Moreau, watchmaker, at Chateaurous," sac written in a had hand, on a common piece of piper, and stuck iin the box with wafers. As the 6,1 was rather small, the murderer had cut the holy into nitres, and had depoited first, the trunk, then time legs, and then the arms and head. Jl. Dealon mines was a strum; and cousigeoas man, and the murderer must have killed him us he W. , ash ep. it suppowd that, after the commission of the crime, the murderer possessed himself of everything of value in the shim and apartment, and packed the property in the two trunks. 'the apertment and shop hare not yet been entered by the authorities. Yesterday telegraphic di patches Am sent to the frontiers to arrest the domestic, but from the length of time he has been away—scventeen days—there is every reason to be lieve that lie has already got out of the country. It is sup posed from the direction he took that he has gone into Spain. The opening of the shop and apartment, ou the entread, of the deceased took place on Friday, and a minute exami nation of them was made by an examining magistrate, a substitute , of the poucareur of the republic, and a commis sary of police. They hound un instrument for splitting wood stained with Mood. The skull of deceased is horribly 1 smashed, as if with this instrument. A hammer and a piece of linen, also stained with blood, were discovered in the , water-closet, into which they had beam thrown. Another Ipiece of linen, likewise marked with blood, was picked up in a corner of the apartment. The floor by the side of the bed had evidently been recently %And, and the lower parts of the bed curtains were damp. A wash-hand ba'in, placed beneath a titterer, contained water apparently stained with blood. The apartment was arranged in order, the bed was made, and no traces could he Maud of the cutting up of the body, or the instruments with which it was dune. In four mouths Dassfontainea had had as many as seven servants, all young men, and had discharged them on slight pretext. A commission noire, who is accustinmal to stand near the house, says that about an hour before the servant sent utf the holes ho called him in to assist in bringing down a box which had gut stuck fast in the narrow stain:tow • the commintionnairo succeeded in getting it down stairs, and it was this very box which contained the body. The servant then said that his master had gone to the railway station, and that he was to l i follow, with two commissionnaires carrying the baggage. The suspected murderer was arrested fuesday evening, at half-paid eleven. The following are the par ticular; we have been mudded to procure lltf to the arrest and to the atop, which led to it. This man's name itiViou. Having left his master's house at two o'clock iu the afternoon of the 6th Jan., with the two porters carrying the trunks, a travelling bag, and the great chest emitiduing the body, Vim& went best to the rue des Petits Champs, No. 10, to a stage-coach office. There Viola left the two trunks and the travelling bag and took a place fur Alar m:ilk's for the following morning at 10 o'clock. After giving a bottle of wine to the porters he ordered them to carry the chest to the Orleans Railway, telling them that his master would call for it at the place to which it wax addressed, ou his passing through Chateau roux. About four o'clock he went to the stage-coach office with another porter, to take away his trunks,:aying that he should not by the direct rold. had Lis trunks carried to the Orleans Railway, and, on his way there, he gave the porter something to drink, partaking hini , elf of the wine. Somewhat excited by the preceding libations he, in the course of conversation with the porter, ,aid he was going to see his uncle at Tours, and he mentioned the name of Viou. Suddenly pretending to have forgotten MAUL , thing he quitted the porter, taking his number, and ordered hint to carry the trunks to the railway, and to say that their owner would claim them by giving the porter's number. It is nut known whether ho then intended to change his route, but he that us it may ha left for Tours by the train of a quarter past 7. It was not until after much diligent inquiry that these feeble indica tions could be obtained, for Viou was not known by his name in the neighbourhood of his master's residence ' hero he had only been a few days. His features were alike un known, its be had a habit of holding down his head very low. These particulars were, however, forwarded to the authorities of Pouts. Meanwhile, the police of Paris in ' stituted all possible inquiries suggested by the indication of the name of Viou, which the murderer had allowed to escape him, to obtain some information in the various intelligence offices. These attempts were fruitless. Thinking however that he might, for the purpose of mis leading any pursuit, have returned to Paris, numerous investigations were made in the furnished houses and hotels, and at last, on Tuesday morning, the police learned that a person named Jean Louis Eugene Vent, 21 years of age, ' lborn at Paris, gardener's labourer, was lodging at No. 19, Rue Pont de La Ittfurrne, where he had recently arrived from Orleans. The chief of the police de 31(reb; went imme diately to this house. The persun named Viou had gone out, but his description as given by the proprietor of the house corresponded with that of the servant of M. Desfon- Mines. Having gone into the room occupied by Viou, the chief of the police had no difficulty in recognis ing the travelling-bug and a cane described by tho porter who had carried the baggage. Ile immediately in stalled twu inspectors in the room of the hotel in which are kept the keys of the lodgers, with strict orders nut to quit it for a single instant, and to wait the arrival of Vans. This surveillance begun at half-past 11 in the morning, and WAS continued until half-past 11 at night, when Viuu re turned. lie was immediately arrested and taken to the Prefecture of Police, before the chief of police. The mur derer then confessed that the name given at the lodging house was his, that he was the servant of M. Desfuntaines, and that it was he who had sent to Chateauroux the chest which contained the body of his mas ter. Ile stated that he had been at Tours, and that on his arrival he had gone by coach to Beaulieu, near Loches, to the house of his grandmother. She expressed her surprise to see him with so much luggage and money, but he told her that he had been left them by a paternal uncle at Paris, which she, being very old, did not question. After about twenty days he returned to Paris. There were found on him a gold repeater, which he stated to have be longed to his master, and a sum of 9.5 francs. Another sum of 600 francs was sized in his room. He informed the master of the lodging-house at which he was arrested that he expected shortly to receive 17,000 foams and other pro perty ,from an uncle who had lately died at Tours. Viou in his various statements avoided going into any of the circumstances of the murder. He is not a liberated con vict. He was born at Paris, brought np in the country, and his manner and appearance are those of a sort of a half peasant. After his examination Viou was sent to prison with strict injunctions to the gaolers to adopt all possible precautions to prevent suicide. He has accordingly had the strait waistcoat put on him. Viou is very small, thin, and has no beard. Ilia features are effeminate. It i* easy to understand that he must have murdered his master by striking him unawares, but it is difficult to conceive how he had strength enough to place the body into the chest. Some reports state that Viou has declared that the murder was effected after a severe struggle, in which be was obliged to defend himself from some improper violence on the part of his master. Had Mr. Bagshaw commenced a prison without consult ing the government or the county magistrates, or a work house without consulting the Law Commissioners or the Poor Law Guardians, these men would have been the first to "mock him, saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish." Is the building of a Christian temple to be set about with less care and consideration than a prison or a workhouse ? The answer is plain. There is no analogy. between a gaol or a workhouse and a church, but if he had ' commenced either of these buildings we will answer , for it that Sir GEORGE GREY or Mr. BAINES would , have let him build to his heart's content, 1 and if dare were any use for the gaol or the ' workhouse when constructed, they would have taken off their hats and made him the lowest bow imaginable for permission to use them. But as our • opponent has betaken himself to analogies, let us give him one rather more to the point. If Mr. BAcsirsiv had proposed to build an infirmary for the maladies of the body, would not the Sanitary Commission have favoured his attempt by all the means in their power? Would not the blessings of him that was ready to perish have been showered down upon him when living; and would not a grate ful posterity class him among the best benefactors of his country when dead? Why, then, should he be obstructed . by this Bishop, and vilified by his crea tures, because he has engaged himself, not in the praiseworthy task of building an infirmary for the maladies of the body, but in the far nailer and diviner occupation of constructing an hospital for the disorders of the soul? But Mr. B.iffsitsw is blamed for not calling on the Bishop. How was he to know that the bishop had laid down this arbitrary rule against proprietary chapels? Is the d nriwi prescription against or in favour of the probability that a Bishop's natural im pulse is to prevent the building of churches? The Bishop of LONDON himself has taken great pains to delude the public into the belief that lie was in fa vour of church extension. How was Mr. IlAusit.iir to detect the bigot in the guise of a missionary P He was deceived, but his deception has opened the eyes of all men. At the risk of more false accusation, foul abuse, and vulgar railing, from his supporters, we will make one more attempt on the Bishop's conscience. He has done harm enough in a long and mischievous life. Suppose, towards its close, he were to try for a change and do a little good? What did he make of the Bethnal-green churches, aided as he was by Mr. WILLIAM COTTON ? Why, they appointed such a set of clergy, that the churches were half empty, with few exceptions, the most remark able of which was the case of a church where the incumbent was recommended by gentlemen be longing to the low church party. What has he' done in Westminster? Induced a reckless expendi ture in church building, with no better result than this, that the poor should nickname the edifices " The new puppet-show churches." What has he done in the great sacramentary clues , tion ? Recommended candles, forbidden to light k them. Denounced GORHAM, fondled Donswotern. I • Walked with BENNETT to the edge of the precipice, and then kicked him over. Slavered his victim and straightway devoured him. Surely now, it is time ' to repent, and reflect on. the object for which he was ROBBERY BY CliminoFonm.—Last week Mrs. Pugh, of Bold-street, was stopped by two men, who ap. plied to her face a handkerchief supposed to have been steeped in chloroform. She instantly became insensible, and whilst in this helpless state was rubbed of her brooch, bracelets, and other valuables. A person who was pas in shortly afterwards volunteered his assistance, and escorted ' kez safely home.—Lirerpool Mercury. . I