The Express. — London, England, 1852-11-26 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT ; HOUSE OF LORDS.—TrioasoAT, Nov. 25. The Lout CnAncat.t.on took his seat at Ave o'clock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. • CONSTITVTIOX vol N•ts, By the Earl of SHAFTES BURY, from Natal, praying that the government of the etesay may, am speedily ea parade, be assimilated in prin ciple and &via to that o' Great Britain. and that it say be heSePeeftl of a governor appointed by the crows, an eaten• tire sinned, also appointed by the crown, and a legislative annuntily composed of representatives freely elected by the pee*. C rAL‘cm.—BT the Earl of SHAFTBSBURY, Bun Pit talast.r, against the speaks( of the Crystal Paseo on tiund..)s. Their lonlil.ips then, at a few agitates past are o'clock, adjearaed. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tovaso*T, Nov. 23. Tho oroacco took the chair at 4 o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS PY.r.T:oss PRESENTED. rOn•OCATION • —lly Col. BOYLE, from 1401111., Inn"init. DVTT on CASKIAOES —By Lard LOVAINE from the , etrop atehmehers of Northumberiesd spier the duty as car- e Cass or Eritrean IlltinKsv.-13y Sir B. HALL, Sir J. V. SHELLEY. Mr. WILLCOX. Mr. ALLCOCK, and i Lard D. STUART, praying for isterfcresee is favour of , Edward Murray. 1 THE CASE OF EDWARD MC RRAY. , Lord D. Sr l'A It r gave emicethat he would on Vriday put i atteestion to the noble lord„the Coder Seer:troy for Foreign , Affairs, with ref ream to this nos. SUGAR AND TEA DUTIES. Mr. MACOR Et ;OR gm. notion of his intention to move Os an early day that the deers on sugar, having born gradually redi,e,d from rates of far. per cwt. on foreign growth and 24. no c.,lnuial, to an uniform rate of 10s. per ewt. ; _and os iotfee frost the several duties of Is. 3d., Is., sod 9d. per Iti ,m &reins growth and 64. per lb. on colonial, to an uniform rate of 3d. per lb., it is just and expedient to reding the duty as tea from b. Id. per lb. and C. per cent to a duty not emending 1.. per lb.: that should It tis the orisons of this house that each reduction aunoot be immediately 'Meted, the• that the duty be modified to Is. 9d. per lb., and I. there years, by • reduction of 3d. per sonata. to 1.. per lb. on tea entered for consumption is thee lungdoen. MR. VILLIERS'S MOTION. Sir W. CLAY said—Mr. Speaker, I rise for the ourpoes of asking, first of my bon. friend the member fee Wolver hampton, sad in the neat place, of the right hos. penile- yam the Chase-014r of the Excheqser, a queries which. sot only is my estimation, but is the estimation of many ether membees,bas an important besieges the procriedisire ; of this home. Is so doing. sir, lam happy that I shall set have °reifies., or at least only is a very slight degree, to glare that Indulgence which the house sedinanly extends to members who have triestions to put—nanielv, Permission to make such a brief statement as may re-der the que.tion ietelligsble. I shall sot have orissios to avail myself of thee— Mr. COBDEN—Mr. Speaker, I rise to order. I think it mill be Menotti.' on both sides of the hoer that it would be exceedingly inconvenient for a question to bo put meow. petard by a speech, unless it be done under eirmunetances which amid sadmit ol a reply. The boo. gentleman would, I submit, better Promote the object which he has is view, LI he wishes to make a statement, by letting it be undo:- MOM that he will tinish with a malice which will enable ahem to take part in the disearies. Ilk W. CLAY—I ma esly my that I have so intention et Sala( a speech • bat the qamtioa which I have to pet is ispertast, 1 Wei, so wafts to Fewest inconvenience. Walisat, them, me intim end of preface, as my lea. Mad wall not permit RIO the seaallem indulgence ie that =r, I eat, first, sr. lithe right bon. gentleman the be of the Embeqvier, bemuse I believe that that ammo is mast in secordease with the usage of the how out daft seessioss, whether be is willing to withdraw the lerreamost which he has pee iota your hands to the motion army hes. friend the mushier he Wolverhampton, on the Mdetranding that, if le be withaset, the house will serelitsee in the mobilise pespose ns ill =be noble lord the member for Tiverton. (Loud tries of " No, as.") I ask, also, of my hog. f • the member for Wel- whither, ea • like maselradisg, he will be to withdraw his melee I eel. again, I ask of the . gentlest= the Cllnnoillif of the Exchequer, as I Vhr " • stud oration. whether, is the event of my hon. friend I dr member for Welearbungesa refusing to withdraw hit , ionise, M(the Chsaseller of reZatingen) will accept the rommisties month by ny ashes Irma the mean for Stereos as • sabstime for his ewe mesdneat ? he I. GRAHAM said,—My mum sir, of public duty will. I am Dory to ea, compel me to make a speech, and to iris myself roseiseently skids the rulers( the house, I MIMI soselude by Mauer a motile that this home do are adjourn. ameetter.) Mann Marl myself sit.ctly Mena the ales sC the hem. sad kasha gives to was y teretter of the bore who may think proper le /Mow re em opyaresalty at steams his opinion. with Press& to the matter now prom I think it right, after de sorra pet by tie hest barsath the amber Air the Trier Hamlets (air W. Clay), sed blare her Ilijory's strearsat give amen to that querlsm, to make the of t which lus rumens. only _ persthass el the hoer, to Mims to them. Th. meths themosi Mr sesaber he Theme, at the close of the ales mks is Tuesday maim, tendered to the be.., est is Ohs hem of a direct arra, het rather ie the ships of a aspriss. swear weeds is lies bash of the erred amiss red tithe eased. mat, which be amine was • raft toms ce which, ear sisteati with the immer al all pertiek we might strive at • eoHsataaef essearea. Now, dr, it is tight that I shield aaiioommss the met truth with ragout to the par :I have ham with rebuses to the as. dm mad with sager m semis week ll = the othle lord kr mama as the maim of • Fable agree nest a both sides et the beam time hors will oet papa it as rommesem es ley penal' Ma di the ream I bed both is the brans of ibm miles sad with smanne a the worth hi Vd an serve is Lurks sail lam la the her Mgratrs spook bon the deem ; sod as ie senates of Ilse speak hares to take ay sea boar the Vleib es Ss asess ef thr day, I led an as Mesa. antra wih say sue mays the sari at ass of res besot otheasess, with ohm y I sishaers the mot mail ant Melee . (Hear. bear.) itaissile *bed tad se Mae was the subrame, whoa wen as Isms, of Ta r ead r a ters zars'as lie garliss el a Isere irldi soiree 1. =IBM dleafir. He taia ne ss eZt pr S fa EssisONSISSI with my sass er twee% had that wards, sad that dry led emote as esesissiee that spa she whets it was set expedient he parties to move an amemdmems Is the ass ma that amiss. Ith laird, Oftead tha a m sonism he Ike inties bed am mini ben my ear MOr ember of Loathe his fermi salimeger. to the AIM lan day Rimy bel arrived at the same eissisoiss. I law ao ear mina meg yes, air, Wei s z me is tin ens air thy. I I me a the a iho be.., as les. somber he (Mr. Ilia sildissisiApss erla se nmei ea soda, slew is& ma he bast useth no ithe although of him- Wad *NONE sr his MOM hod hems is favour el raft es amelianst to the Mara ss essesioa, yet, to perm. abonsa Moss the Musa at free trade la dis am gadimira, be Mama Wade may es Mesa best mobs as ressamet. DM lssor era d, ssag. as wth as my here adingesu sea as smith grethe mob is her *thug% urea is the sager o f is tads one es , that my his. Meal the" sambse l i s ce 4 11 : 4Vel Eros le yail el Or mesa sir mile of • • setheisth MI Me that it ma theme* se thl titan that, smut he heel Mrs is the Mob diminisa, hav eulli tr il s ilagt les bale waft he. the hitroehm is era dos op rat i ar bra - honest do sesseria Sall he alma tabs a= sea part, I r o t are. ' sesbee Ise W that I awed is Rol anasse. =u that I was sesesSegily es s glad Oat there M iesednest to IM salmi ; Ore I • math hristive amathl at il l it am se iselerly reMeeorbs was is ile ambetlis ser i l li a abed tin renher far Wienallamps as dr r yas at the glair of the he.trade SS that sesadsa, in ost. toe slues ohm I ma he ; awl I eireitay (ally st a g arae terms L i ttureoeh trees Latriin• mare sAaell=orl geld= la ys imit a a mays sertosar semi if the rai ser seassimily. them ihe seramonmo at ihe Sens sir ea el %hop: give arks of his henna to ice. • osa • ay, the gashes mesasmesas the thistry. le, tou 4ere nee prilusist se Mt day, ohms the =ow sled esseathr et the Mann were prams, rem the dismiss shoal surames st the roma her i tire Wm is WHIM her Vasa. You melba, M. mill this mimeo to aye, rare Ale rail, te las shonr. et the Casimir et tbm wiert, lea_ .wbew iliftltheb=„ Imam mg = ...... ai mir s a eel see a yam asse a rs i ta an lem was sheet to pits sotfsa of the panissist day wire the measure of the greuesossi mad be telesisoa_ . He did an dos. Th. smile boa the nastier Or t it swat, of Miethenbssimalissa lossisA mesa Se Mier Is • sera etyma eldWiri hot allll 1 omill net hits imam bar UM ho had abliesed la Ihe uspaselnima at that smear me el the Mr derissthael amain at the foe Osey—r hem burr," hem the ausdial le= ha dine/ that nary ix Na,. yasegig es Ile puma of admire, per leares—(" as, se." Ras Ihe nisisserial Washes, sad lIISOSo hem the I—sma I mild net believe, if pmatestioa wen 1.7.1 11 ".......4-1 NSW let have be linei that it was • the she maid perform that wra th.. I say, I heard thel agoseh; ma whir the speech of this mower et the alarm was sorry ...redid, my boa sea Irma Mead the number he Ihiveriolisp•rs, antis( halal as, streshal ihossa aad inked, ,sea mistime el ow meths ?" I know am what others Piga, bat. fw =latif. =le sSoWor orso, . Certainly. give your aetios." Wow, sir that ems, no Irv., [ I 1 prat a time, bare ' say hattapattaa if pie egay titsoreamat, ad it was gives fa 1 aisame a a, ear as tad b y o w mysomeat fee the lalemisatisabdifthrrissenares raimak de. iellh alseilms least Mate t I win .hed Mel its Wan of tor latesstg mom 1 mg asw &go.. lag nsisits. is Wiles le hanorass whith I aired hem the dismiss Meet emi ben let=the asseme•• mat, sa dieSt Its bi g n esties et he I aitheiTumiege et la the seamy wirt elssehare, sad et orta deers 11111 oilsiONOSt Man =O a bed of thernmeset. THE ZIP: alluded, I took particular Wisest in the medic bi whisk that motion should be framed ; Zr e the tog of the ` 12th, having her Majesty' veldt riga an speech to which I have alluded Unmade tilM esdliarosnd to frame the terms Abet wine. • sof Garr /Mee hem the misistedal bessehmo.) - Item elg,l Mill state_ le the hesee ishhent disguise whit hi the ophit is which F iala imimeeseed to frame that weintles. I remembered gig which MOWN, moms% roeebtied gm of tle other night._ IlleM whatever may be ear diakonal of opinion, this Is an solishly of (sheer)--and I IMO must careful. In higniag that notation, to insert nothing in it which I Illmight a could wowed the feelings army of those who,per withoutelmeging theh *Mem wise ready th change 1011/90 WM velleeewa• to • . lam also he my, 1 weld set ilerget i V i tnTe had bees a alalla hem former egisione—(" Mar, ," am the tics)--mad was tb ri e lei m e lat e man i s the r house el eot i . l . l i t t iin h w ave , w e irl i lhe home beer with me when Ir, meetly how l mewled log y ": reeintien t; look the speech a tehhh deals win the essitt, " J • end =rale end I melt tit smash to _mhich 1 relbeeek mode else: where, mil I enamoured le insert, in the ahem of a reso lute'', aseydriesp which I thought necessary he the di.tinct netertios Oise Mimi** he which those who see attached trip tends essorsd, end to hart nothing in the r. akar has to which those who might be willing under any eireueestameas to adopt that policy could object. That is the spirit in which 1 framed the solution; ea now I have before me the original copy of the resolu tion reamed caner that feeling, and, with the permission of the how, I will read it. The words are these : " That it is the opinion of this baron that the improved rendition of the country, and especially of the industrious classes, is In greatmeasure the result of recent legislation, which has abolished taxes imposed fur the purose of protection, which has thereby diminished the cost of t he principal arti stes of food, and which has established unrestricted compe tition. That it is the opinion of this house that, without latictime injury on any important interest, this policy, firmly maintained and prudently extended, will best enable the industry of the country to bear its burthens, and will thereby most surely promote the welfare and contentment of the community. I have told you that, though inade quately, I do es:solider myself a representative of the policy of which I was • party, under the guidance of my late most distinguished friend 8:r It. reel ; and I put to mysell this question: " If my right hon. friend wen still alive, what, under present circum stancea, with no moister objects—because he scorned sinis ter objects—(ebeen)—what with uterine* to the good of the country, the policy which he had at heart, and its firm esidelsommes m the emelt ground—what under present alistomiamill in hie Ilea which he would take ? And I mem yeah ele, mesa =tar in this new parliament, that, to Mee Imil *Frey cat, from my intimate know ledge both eirble feehop end of his general course of pro 'sadist, be meld have reamed resolutions in the spirit in which these an drawn. (Hear, boar.) Now I sent those assolutions toty noble friend, the member for the City of London, with whom 1 have bees, I ass happy to soy. is medial and friendly osemannieatissa on this subject. (Ministerial laughter and diem.) That cheer convinces me that these in an mime, erroneous saspicion that there is • factions penny purpose. (Hear, beer.) I am shout to show you, eel I disk amelusiwily, that you would be pre. mature in amiks to that senehision on such grounds. What was the mower of way seat friend ? He said to me "On the whole, I sppron of your words ; I have seen nese which I prefer, but I think there is an objection to the wooletrass, as they stood without • safeguard. If they eve atria adversely the government will be of opinion that they ere intended to obstruct the course which they ulna le take, and that it is not desirable for the house to hem the measures which they have annosaced their inns ties 111 peepers." My noble friend, so far from desiring to patens a aseisne mires, and to °tarok the government, rommaenden the introduction of • third clause, to which 1 dmi sew s e ll the attestant of the hoses, su bsequently atapha, " That this house will be ready to take into set any measures consistent with thesis R+ nciples wll* in pannenee of her Ma' MOO usspeeds and nessamendatioo, ma y b e hid aeUee them." (Cheers) I thought that saner Ihe ttinlimble. I thought it a great in • 'Mil • k certainly accorded with my deer, that the government should not be interrupted usitelp is the =Vof their measures for the considenden ef the elar obtained the opinion sod the gesetion of myr made Mend, I then met with Lad Abordeenosy eel- Mln the government of the late ilk Robert Peel, who imgessible for the repeal of the eon laws. We alarefully the words of the resolutions which lir laZ i ale hose,. They unierweet some alterations, ellar hi semi elf Me kind, the ho e truth ought to be alilleirmenh I and give Ihe me the cask result of these oballions. Tho deem were made in consequence of a dimwits with toy femme esibegues. I will now read the resolution as it Mai show the sherethe—" It is the °pl ains of this house that the Wpm! gendition of the coup ary. sepemally of the Wheirimee deism is is s great mes ses, the mat amass legishalea which has established aammeimed esespetition, sad abolished the tams levied for this pined erlielse pretestien, thereby diminishing the met et die et feed." 1 meet sell the Muse Matla the emend reededm, I paid peetieekse at tendee to the weeds of her Meimere epee* le whisk I am new sheen to call the at eallen ef the Mom Her Lamy in made to say, " If you amid be of milieu UM resent krialatka, reatribenhm with ether ammo to this happy nosh, bee et the same Ow Wilted eassoilable seas on corals limplettat 'Mots, I essemmend yen :Z a teinriier how f les ar it asp be twaslimble to dim Wary, and te the Minury the 4 e ss try to met anomeefony that uerestrimed sempeddis to erlais _piellegows,Ja its wisdom hes Melded that le should be selfeeted." flow • eadeseseMbeg hem gems of the =rMile es herb ekes et the his. sod elsewhere, ile pay eta esumenelleg &My en /amigo com was abio ft me thempbe indmumMe by kw Ma '*Wl giswesnest that eempenmeins he alleged *Wry to whim beetnests dwell be invelth by,seme ether ateM, I Wtact them words Maids bed bees Mtheeptely by the eabinet, mil whim h her 1114wity, MM. ills adobe of her Wakens, had delivered hem the lessem Mekeuely raised the peen Idea that each Injury bed been lellseed, sad lbw dm be the a ▪ uipmenths. I will the lu ny am, , OM in themkes the mood ramlntien lle Imam that in- MMus, and le seem that tee midi ivy had been hilletse M to the menu tiose—Omom Use --awl, with rime* to the fate» that die pudgy et km trade Mier dimly maintained aid ammlid without , te lay dam of the ememetabg, shuttling the deer egoism eke .. is ilit erneellem. ( eat, hear.) Now I may he bat it is aateasey that the eslil7 --- henlid Mr= As I drew the ressintien It sea thee : "It h tact a to tt s:V i lis home es say t , imer;e2r . ~.... lady Emile the balbseley *fie eseeray le se=tnithese, eau/ thumb mate weselppomesee the wellies end ought oldie eassandtp:'. New, se weeded, it sai ht be append to base a solneelles es well as a vs alkel. hale the elmegol *Mae_ that se ere pewse e ms bee heel tele met ote OM oeleemelse bed Shea s tree Mak pdhp tWI I see bead Is my the ems at eel legase, on the miemed af the km Me / PM. the imesties sleight bake epee so le rehmselles a was se amended as lii leave the enemies ems, a Wag I was the mare wails le de. Memel wm to stabstels, whomever Ws meselka Mese, Cri= ed ie the egeesbes of a bee trade peaky bad aid sap Se meminnatise. (Herz, bow.) Men, then been adapted, I Mooed them at the Mimed at m bil =re Mend the member for the City of ii•heeh o tta:ll= jurahle M phi • sessame sement . g SIM maim dieneeka bakes these beam tube bon bees the met hada . shwilthee id hod Imede , mil by them it was Mired M asthma so the repeal ef the ems lam Amid be area spear.. end that they Magid be dewed es be Met, i, Ind - beleddeL () ew. smellethe a ii we I ham Ohm with Cbeeth rime, eir S Mit sepal. Khmer tM , PM tome, " Will yes, er ess pas, Mune her the meets lha se worded r" I mold set * as sa henget me= Item It. (Laid hem.) I ehesll serteisly haw Ise GM forna—perlege en sonde, peekeeme fr my ens weelr-40 übin I they did set seemmedgemral lied at 1 . fit he the minim et a lugs thee timid menso should hems& to the Nepal ef the sems laws, I Nast venms y asemist be emit seems deka" (Meer, Mol boar.) I beerfl op are ef it mad bie hia- Jfery's memeemeen, ea the YAM, alethe hasedes k lem seated am heir amerdment 1 MAN delibmseely at thin , le Met ldpem ehjesdene le in tithes um le the lb Aim Mt de I may e peradlledle *k I MS..biund le a seepeot ma Ibe Me b sel Milks I_ MIL tee( harp that the gesetien id bee teade balsa yrea a dieleild weeds, I wee mese Wand mh e these el he eisehhat sdessete, thp hers amber he Waiver. plir:Mime whlek bed emmendi Mat the peers haee.) he thim:d en sail almost the dm of mum whoa the *may emmody with. MS dikart with me, the mode wbisli neer an the WM. The bones bee new head the weeds neithweesAn s f open by ley *ebb friend end myself, Mil Is they epee with them while lave Item Erik Amount. They ram: 5 . It is tie Me hems Mat the Lammed sendkien of If• ente m I .ll , ll7 tle al lemi l rO l f anY 01 to mai isdsgdkne dmilit allbliebed the _ pt of smeatimed egged ue lb ei ellihisti esses_: m Wood 'el 11l ami be eshy /M de e d C IPI S:et s wed— Miele the seine Wiesest has sink an =meement)--ingessied the Mesdames et the of the feed al the terra' Hat whet NIB • err duty. is the Whore the Wom liCt o o: the hm. Mews Samba is a meet impurities hi the IPS hem tbe verb Mali bed ..0 4Apreell sr noble friend. Hie soon fuse louse k et opinion that this eel prudently ensaded will." Wi Mai " elan indicting 'spay ea say imeelmel ki lobits Ia the moues of the noble Mao hew entirely disappeared. (" Hear," en vigi Mb prepesitioe rune on—.. Win beet enable the et the smatry to beer its beethmie, sad will _here by meet surely promote the mare sad albeent meat of the people.' I Mee told the Imes that with the Queen's speech bibs,.2 these welds rum deliberately hearted by ate ma by Illy limb he =pees ot dosing the q a I the greatest IM,Mteam 10 elese Wid mer may ba the *saw a they Mgr of releni the proposal of tVai i ii i tmil Me semis, fee xiverten, f' --•ht I (air to tel Ikea Is the hew theout it [llls 4 e twid eseelaMest. 3n the othowitawd. If we mold, by ".b . mai comsat, Mein Woo " " from the besehes)-11 t would secant to re , =him wads, I eamet meek for others — he pasted to amp lMm. Dot mill, for the sake Jf trio weds LIMB, sad. is the hopes of malsisiag the largest possible closest al Nippon for the frost I principle, sad yes 1111021222 00202,02 in Its spirit, had Lela saabasm &Wm that this primiple should be rediod by the largest possible majority, I would earseetly, sissomly, saithooestly satrost my hem. (need the member kr Wolverhampton, is Apt caw sod with the moan ea. Mom to withdraw hie original :splice so& peep tho ashation of the noble viscount, amailei no I Moo pia& out. (Chows) I am ashamed to have &staid the boon es isag, but .is. is ea weep. dolma wise. ma ma 1110 las that I mated by 20 I/MOM o f 2 162020, 20 1220112111 Wad. If feveroment would emejat these am helms that we rargf wire at a rosoosahle sgroomoot, wed the/ mama the Bosom most, waist say iMempies sr slimly, will hare the opporally of isaleas _their on,. For my own pest lam preporod be lief ND 1021210 bet a friendly split s, ontares amestosi t i piosifies for which la wed, mull doll i pipes& brag As opestioa of *napes sides by Ss meet SO& Mem( malty. (Hear, heir.) Iced LOVAINB, who woe seed ladistinctly hoard, eon gifted of the passel alma mode by the right boo. .emir for Carlisle. mi. ouimarorrs—l shall ow but a flew words with rear' to the question which has been reined by the right hes gestissan, sad shall say them in the hops that waiddei Ming from me may server a es•Oributioa to as hovels this dieenssion contrary to the ham of the groat body of this house ; but that, ea the gemlnry, they may be likely to promote the undigested pleeemeence of our pro• mot eommercial polity. 1 resew to hope that some pro gram has been made towards a settlesent of that kind. I same to hope that if we can pee ea the quake raised by the right hon. gentleman with respect to the insertion ,if certain words on the amendment of my noble friend lON MO, we may—although not in point of form entitled I. '" that either the amendment of the government or emehation of the hon. member for Wolverhampton Est be withdrawn—we may yet, by eoncesaions on both ddhee ears to something like a common agreement. The whole tea coon relates to one only of two things which have takes plass la the first neolution were the wards " a great samme," which have been changed to the weed •• emisly." I don't think any objeeties ems he teams se Set s sad shall therefore speak only Wee weeds i• the sorest reselation. It le proposed to WWI s ired, mein. Weed end_ prudently extended." Asa the gaieties we hem le essider is, what bearing them Weeds have on the sees Ogee amendment, and how As It say be tithe feeling of the great body of the bees =11: 1 o ll y should be inserted. Now it ls 11111111111111117 lIN IMO to mete, which I shall I. a few weeds, what my lee 'possibility is with earliest to tole mesa, I was one of these who strongly felt the necessity, muller the eircumstaaes attending the election of the pressed su resent. that the fallow and mast complete eanetace Uwe L i 6 .. .. House of Commode to the policy of free esil fore in principle I was entirely favosrelle lb prepsiesa motion to the house, explicitly clearing up soy doubt OM might be created by certain words in **speech from the throne. At the same time I entirely sympathy's with th e dee bee. member for Carlisle, in feeling how theist& It INNS be, if possible, to avoid the introduction of werdee4 silli see say that were disgraceful—but that Ed& he 4 digeraginig or disgraceful to any body of gendmeem = 1 1 10.4 41 Wei. I do Rot tense, lot myself, to accept in& the repoesibility whisk my s ight hes. heed bee =be the sellsocese of the Yes Ms lt. essibility of Whs. the spiels that the seeelitil l s sesgeesattoe, or relief, or red= „ 7 whatever pe• dem Ma it, important as that 41 is, and easy se we ;E me are, wee cot one to be settled by a easties diested to the establishment of free trade. It emend to se imbed bet one of two alternatives. We hem tell that sembes of the bed gene he heir 1111111101111111% Mg anis SS teste to them remit sole& ties weld be iestertd, er, set eleheede that r•ShriSS SW/ be Eris be afford ipeeilie4e the 161111111011 2. 1 seed to be eased by hoe ; ash when the Hes the iambs el do . seemed budget he lharg e h ie llle i med eliel preying ti W seem I Nees ibst. wheels rfghdy th or I all set think Ihe this lies e a to b. seesested with the repeal of the eserevre, la ought to passe the seseantent frees esbudttiar the esereies they sight think dt by mew of en satielpsOwy vele. I SS it is plain that we have bat ate of two amuses to dos—tither to allow the goverment to forward with sehltered heeds, eat to seise their es the saw mein which haw bees essaleil as end by thesselves—aseei whisk I em harpy to hided, the yds. eiple of free trade—{her, beer)—either to allow them lode that, or else, by_vi% a vote of want of meddeme—Y Oise amine beak _ oppesillsa beset% esh Sues dram the ether elde)—is the Ise, Seem& eceeditstiesel masers semis the feuds= et the Isf Ceetesser, eat pat • laded to the shuns of timiJ administration. Mon tei est seats ohms.) air, es far as regards this istelles, it eartaiedy ewes to se that It le set sr Sag to tele a men at the i eeset on the on of esspeerdies to my s. = S se SW maybe to have bees Wised by es le• seklesieleties—(heer, Lore)—but that we ought* SS ___ _...._______ „_____. . _ for the snag et lhe Ilmesd - iipia - sib pin- - - sips they lam en ley Inn ammo es their an ressmeg to oseselen of wen suss of eldeseing to my monies a esegmesties died we lad sush semi then end et oppeseuz ess elme sue spieler leed es to tam sin a asese et ) Os the ether heed, I believe right Ma her L atteshed pest imposture to the of these wards,—l min. steel my tight Ma. friend to km gives to the Men Is term the men Minn the esseneties which he pie epsnibies—en Chet esseinalles I hael*admit is whiny fesszespdmishie to me. (Hoer, bar.) 117 right has. need propene eltsgeher to nava the ebbs to "T DodosDodoswith menet to pospestim memese—thet% M cakes a the AM of the seedes—ifuChe dense. M allen ho has Ma eseitined to leave the genies of ampleness se retie is he Ivied when we am to esesest the anew of the pommest. If this he a, eel if the Muse, esterteinig •respr man of what is Mee he ows Mlle% Meld these he happily a dignities in the various pales end aid of whiskthe Man is am peed se ink he _greens of apemen rather thes it messiess et ditemese—l mast may this rese. lake of my right hemearebis friss admirably dram as it is by • anew haad,ol I Mide— ast this reseleties so draws, end se filled up by the Is. misatios of the words it is pepsin to imen would be s senheiss that may be adopted both by the his. pneenss the 111.1/01 of the minimal modes, end by the penof i d t d e =mese of the govermest, Minn ti m e or dimareemest, or soffillee tof pektelplir eel den lsneE e ere set Midi bar Majesty's thy eassenst on shied he hit epos, mad they will mire at • sad odium ensr of dist ipso liw del question width yes es thee side so MI es we es this 110 life line he the Ike &Mg et Ms sabred— will egad as as semi et meths es s se resnV he • pupas alas lissiesi le the hasemble to both din en ei v el .... misut * saa whisk this home is mead. (Meer.) mil essegatly Na. the appeal to the noble Asseets oil emir *0 Tivertou (Lard Palmenne—en I do set hos len lo my that the is Melt the nee viand he onlend ine eis is ens la whisk I =ll*sllkle ib• 1 /1111 1301 st sl dill= ' (Chen)) Mr. T. DIINOOMEI thought It • es It seed. Ho denied tho rides at the area s sad semenseded that tho hew to erne the he. senesmes to sea ends, Mr. CATLIT lid set men his l e bel the mastry bong Men is es Mann he s, it wadi be he the seliehedes of se it null be fee the hens of the paliMe• ein that then Menden sad theme anieelliss vbielt MI se hog ashen ea the Minn of pennies sheull Pen end* the view hews pd.* la dim ths seentheent nibs Ma. lsesest i T a t I AMMO le neset the len manse he f t WM Mimi (lb. CelmL ieda .,l he Maw. asses, (Mn. Wpm weed west to it elm. (gar.) Ad he would Mem Ms knessalle Moab mien him to she thew MOM en dim the -lends to eons le • Is, mod his pee of *es Mae (wide they amid MI W be eased en thif MINI* a the Imis if en me the wish et the appaities. (Men hi) Kr. R. PALMER emenared that the anise in already hee• istheisaily dimes& ((Her.) The es y questim was, Mahn thq wire to he could eyes OD meat M as abase =iiikse lam& by theleamenbie he W ib erbelher, ea IM ether had, they ma te av ar ili Z amensmat et the prearnmentee that 'tee Mile viesesse. Ho led so Moieties to mks, rat his Westin in ,thet r ei r s tr amber of ethere—a espeity et this Muse, as he —was to mist the reestslies et the llt n. gembes he Welverhampas with s sgativo. (Loud stisienisi ib r i si a tiPALMERSTON—I meet hut hope that the son. meseiss that hie taken pleas this meal Orden laili mem that we have now • pewee el snap ism r ial smeral eadentanias m Ole peat io rnelen a diss a l Imo bees ponies es OM seinisti, en Men wiiire g ro bare Med hem the Ms. mamba hteseth Y His, Caylsy) whisk I OM Ms Ma Missief• eZteseft hem • sum of his high milles pa the: ed inney ;en who is Mews Is ke big illidesiis he Males, • amass whole et peed ma man la Ilk waviness, but who is nay to plea then ossvistiess to aperamest seam is polio PM nel missal latenst—l shoed bye that his ensaphs spy hen its inseam es Miss, an es he es relates bi ask side of the been them we he a Abounds to Mew the seiggeetios my hos. hind his pet lie the bean Masa be_irj_Now, my bus. Min (Mr. Dusessthe hes pm a t o me—(eltsen an Inghter)—witie tern to Ifser r - ... - 7. by the Nellandal glaka by the Ogle his. Wein the meher Ise Mahn (01weas.) I de My say I same by It I 16 very lawful mem (tins la u gher an eheeriag.) made • slight eases is b—Osses laegbfria)-4or the pupae et, as I ameba disersim es a seined plat, via., th•s hi rra a : peones he the pd. (Meer, hem) Bet it beim mkt% Med Mat W words sespen by my right hen. Min yr then Is the hum, leaving her Mseny's govermase apes te pupae the sesseens as My phased, an leaskei as la moss to then I shall ham w_nleslestetheis cymnefiepapased,ead whisk I thiskibeheo.mm bee he Mush Teelmidre expressed his mi me Se epee to. Now, my heneenne Mtn, the manna ter Visibery has asked me • nem peened helm Ho his Medea sMt I shall do if the resetalies bonen& en Limn FRIDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 26, 1852. so an madame to that which has barn tendered by the ? (" Hear" and laughter.) I will answer him' asking him another question. (Cheers and laughter.) ill ha support ? (Cheers sod laughter.) Mr. HUNCOMIIIi—Yes I will. Meer and laughter.) Lord PALMERSTON—If I am encouraged by the ex sedation of an adequate support, I will make nob a motion, and I hops, judging from what has Nand tonight, that rappesiag the motion of my hen. and hanged friend, the member for Wolverhampton Is withdmen or negatived without Mint' nut, I may have a general acquiescence In the reseintisa I have proposed, and for mash of which— as the house is now aware—l am greatly indebted to the right hon. baronet the member for Carlisle. (Cheers and laughter.) I trust that both sides of the house will feel that it is of great national importance that this great queer tion should be set at nest. The question is not what hon. gentleman no one side of the house or bon. gentlemen on the other think with regard to the junkie or wisdom of the measure of 10446, bat west they are determined to do with reference to the plaintenanse sad predeat extension of the policy on which it was founded. And if this house I. of opinion that that policy roust be maintained (and there can be no Merest* of opinion with regard to its reversal being surattainable)--if, I my, the majority of the house is of opinion that this policy is fully established, and that it is beyos.d the pram of any party or government to reverse it, let us et ones calm the public mind and set at rest expectations which, perhaps, still linger in the breasts of some persons out of this house, that by some change of party or of government that policy might he reversed. Let the house by a solemn sarmation settle that question, and without entering on the question or opinions which may have been held in times past, and let us it not unanimously, at least by a largo me rrily, Okra what henceforward is to be the principle of the legislation of this country. (Chests.) Sir E. B. LY LION thought it very important that they should adopt that form of words that would best satisfy the house and the people out of doors. The various motions before them had all some recommendations of their own ; but under present circumstances it wee inexpedient to hesi tate about mere verbal phrases. They should lay aside their party feelings for the sake of a great principle ; and it seemed to him that the great principle under consideration was most likely to meet the general approbation of the house under the form of Lord Palmerston 's amendment. The Marquis of GRAN BY was 'maims, to know whe ther the hon. gentleman the member for Wolverhampton adopted the proposition which had been made or not ? Ho thought that hon. gentleman ought to decide fur himself, sod not allow the government to do It for him. Ue hoped the hon. gentleman would persevere in his motion, because it had been said by the hon. member for Manchester that some hon. gentlemen had pretended to be free traders, and that if they were not prepared to vote that recent legislation had been just and beneficial they were not free traders at all. What he was anxious to say to the house was, that he for one could not agree to any one of the resolutions. He was not about to oppose himself to the deliberate verdict of the country as expressed against protection; he did not wish to agitate for that principle, but, entertaining the opinions which he did, that the prosperity, which he ad mitted now existed, would not last, and was owing to other circumstances than free trade, he begged to right to maintain those opinions, soh and whenever he thought fit. He thought this only fair; and thanking the house for their indulgence be woald say no more. Mr. JOHNSTONE should vote against the motion of the hon. memb• r for Wolverhampton, because it was a direct attack on the political and personal character of gentlemen on that aide of the house. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The hon. gentleman the member for Berkshire appears somewhat to complain that I have not replied to the question put to me by the hum. baronet the member for the Tower Hamlets. I confess that I found that question to be one of so pecu liar a character that I had some difficulty in addressing myself tothewer it. It was, in keys contiagency dependerit as • hy pothesis. asked if an hon. gentleman, w i th wham do not act in political connection, would do some thing, was I prepared to do something else t (Hear, hear.) I aaturally thought that the most logical and legitimate course would have been for the hon. and I d gentle man, the member for Wolverhampton, anti his friends, to have expressed their feelings; and when I was acquainted with their views, I could then have communicated my own to the house. As the hon. and leaned gentleness has not risen, I will now, on the part of the government, take the liberty of addressing the house. lily noble friend, the member for Leicestershire, has reminded me of how generously I have been supported by the protec await party, both in this house and in the country. I can truly say, that eines I have been honoured with • confident", of which to the last hour of my life I shall he proud, I have done everything that I could with any ability that I poems and all the energy of body I meld com mond —(cheers) —on behalf of the mum of the landed interest of England, which has been unjustly treated by that recent legislation—which, in the terms of the , ameedmeat I have placed on the table, has produced that ebeepthes a provisions which has contributed to improve the amafikka end increase the comforts of the working dames. One would suppose from the observations which have been made, and the derisive chasm which have mom- Died them, that a protectionist gthenamant had come I down to the house to mamma tha it lea dialoged its opi nion. (Hear, hear.) If gay ge•thmaa supposes that, he her taken • very erroneous and perverted vow of the ease. The government having acceded Is tithes under eir- 1 eametathes la se way seaweed with He gweetion of pro- Wales. with the eanstansthe lathe hews ail the *Gantry, I they assenamed that that quake amid be decided by • geaseal election ; and, the verdict a the vestry being on weiththeable we bowed to that naegnltheal declaration of dyisios.4l y ear.) Bir, I will new advert, although almost incapable of addressing the house this evelekg—( essowaginet chairs, sashed by the evident indleresitian ef the right has. gaWamen)—to the points that aw pastlenkthy before se--nth swim of the has and Issued namable the Wolverhampton, a:pounded to-night by the With bee. patiessaa ( Sir J. Graham), and the con sistent itheadthalet a the noble lord (rd Palmerston). We have beard hese the rig L o. a miathe assmall of his connexion with the gentleman documents bran the lwase. The house will perhaps permit me, as the part of the government, with equal frankness and I hops with not leas brevity, to detail the wane that we have thought it right to peeress, and thiamin that have imbued us le take that mum. I have Wig tonight from the right has. gentlemen a eamplete asilisalen of the pawn* once so mach criticised is her speech. He the told us that although he is el *pinks that th:ro Is no ckha toe emnpsnsation by any inten expea dase dise ia the country say kiln whih it has from nada& leglekakes. OM c he thinks that that tread be • legitimate widest kr parliamentary diSBll.Oll. (Chews.) Awl! think the eight MO. gestiamaa Ire tam a amati asthma wawa awl wed ewitiattlimal hagsago fa these wean whish be bar availed himellfa. let what said bee Mika penises speeds f Layfaadida in the nest woad* that the panel* a ear commosedial wee, am des due ditiberatisa tif the matey, settled inrte Tata* of anessleistsd erispethisa, bar Maltey said that if padlerma wee a *ash OS aided great Intsensts bed been Ward * that **Wm alibi has watrlbeted to the sammee weal, .he sada. mailed to t a deeded alms into codidenden. Wil e hat le aredy de emcee the eight hea. academe swede t ag Chazse eas Tli a lright hoe. gedisnian bee used the • with groat da "o dna weed he has 1= 11 44 ebb abeam tiara ma de seam he has rsseadended to the Imes. Bat It wadi bane bed spangled ie the Muse that, when a aq ~ e s m meta dead adherity head% ht fad the arremssed- rs t= ;:ryass, he ahead at least robe to for the madded he ttas elarhear.) I h had se wertistelle of la isalthet b et I sod say Sae 1 - 7 .-- a deasaber aay peelthatent . easy dismiss in whisk Has word • seispeasatisa was brerght kermerd by us. (Seer, low.) It is pueblo Sat the right hid e ar may net id sash a phials la smog of sad tomb, so sow *Naga tide Me; be: the right has. gmalleama le the - at perm fa the beam who IstM suseimego haft names te eleetha weethas osier is its teed thus die spieled of gad sesimed es the maim that ought to rr the who dear Inall* delideed. (Cheers sad .) Wilk I eassendthat upon the dederedia d the lea. =ea hind; bee Sahara spas* is sta pled.) WM that dee resone whisk dead meek all repel deendest iai th o ellasisa le the mw d the swam most mauve p =st, aid met pesllssualdy et miser hedrimasa Alta OM came the dethasthas of the podammeat ; sad I coq est the enpressies d de Int abeleler and the humbler were Het I may hare used wadi, if there bed been a/ed.—sod than wad not hath beta a thada in name% admit weal bath re meth' that doubt. Bat the honeesabla ger Genes says there was a.sarrQy a dealt breads bolds the address was monk I did net name the day as width the Massie& statement would be taken. Now, there were at that mama make eireanthanets which ren dered it inipeodble far do te fin the day ; and I thought that If I at ease, bade the abbess was moved, had sided only that I weld make the Ideasial statement on an ...dip day," want wortioi the mikes day, there would have btu ea ale *beat the peesee of • am satisfactory kind; and I thershre added that • preferable mode woad be to refer to the matter only I. the eleardsisas whisk 11 beard my duty to Rae ia the dads of the Male ea deadlier. But the if as dohs that, tat han i afterwards Maid and prodded by th alblisimm.d 7Z e l l ie s. I ;e71 1 ; hued It sandimat to foster end protases It—Hens the at Yet i passe haat Is the bars taste dwell le seem dlidevallsa ea Ile pad W ises p es de east des the wadi* ef the sees* desidedly esindrehie to the pled* ash a preleilid volley. air, I did myself, that as a genital rale, then disdaraticas by sew pedisamis are set entrandy expelleat, heads Asa ell they de d etttle any quelies—depleadhiad sapodilla dea—diey not in aay wey Mist splaisa ; sad I distil be sem as wishing art daddy that the prinsiple of disailetted sendetition Medd set sow disturbed, it the saly essay* of that winkle is In a haety vas a the semesasentent at a few pedidadt. (Cheers.) Bat bowleg that then was die mi le Si sad beadle& beat day Windage dad realer—that le net at a party dander I. lie airs limited sad slime same—we were of *aloe that as opciti e ku t deed Is made by as, if eraneskqde reerialha Were t hand he its tharaotot_ anise needided as to the that the seentry had deeded is favour of the sew Goa. didiel system, ad erforroli•i that it we. the duty of any gedianset hereeller siassedy to adhere to the principle of itaesetelalla comprtitio• la our financial and commercial legitheilea. To that I ahead have offered no opposition . Ta 1a.11.1.1..11.....• I • • • • ameba, _it is that they are based on the assumption that untesedeted senapetition is the principle of our commereial spent ; as Nelms unrestricted competition is the principle of fear esimeMmdal system, the financial pol.ey that I would resemianal 1111111101 be supported. (Cheers.) I will not now be--ee I refused to be on a previous 00Cali00-1,11 into any reference to the character of those measures. The house ens sure, will feel that it would be very unfi t ly t o us to ask for those premature explanations. But thus far I can say to my noble friend (Lord Granby) as he now acknowledges as we all acknowledge—that the verdict of the country is opposed to that principle which for many years we sup ported; and feeling that it is impossible for any man in this house to support legislation founded on that principle, or with a hope of cerrying measures based on that principle—l trust he will hod when theism mew- I sures are brought forward that I hese not been unmindful of the just claims of those who I thiuk have been unfairly treated in recent legislation. (Loud cheers front the Protec tionists.) Well, under these circumstances, what was the course her Majesty's government took ? My mold* friend (Lord Derby), to whew opinion we de ferred, met his friends and communicated to them his opinion that if a resolution was brought forward declaring the verdict of the country in an equivocal manner, and announcing that it was the duty of a minister to adhere to and to develop that principle of uurestricted competition, it would be most unwise in any way to keep alive controversy by opposing it; that nevertheless it was perfectly open to any gentleman on this side of the house who objected to acknowledging the fact—fur it would not be approving a dogma —not to take any part in time debate, or the division, if there should be one, but that, in effect, we should heartily and unequivocally endeavour that the declaration should be unanimous on the part of the House of Common,. Now the draft of a resolution reached me which I was told was to be swimitted to the House ef Com mons; and here I may say that the conversation to-night must have been very instructive to those who have taken their seats here for the first time. (Hear, hear.) They have received an instructive lesson as to the mode in which Wrn i q w ° e a w i ere ci o n n i gose on i.n ( c ' h . l e te w ar e , w he c a rc r,' . ' o au re d di l . a c ug!i t te . r.l don't remember any such frank confession. being made in Our time. (Laughter and ironical eheere from the opposi tion.) And when we change sides our youthful adhe rents will have received a lesson of deep interest as to the methods of combining and managing maakind. (Cheers and laughter.) Well, • resolution—it seemed to have fallen from the skies—came into my bands; and although most precise and unequivocal in declaring that the country had decided that the principle of unrestricted competition should be the principle of our commercial code, and that in all future measures it was the duty of a minister to adhere to that principle, there was nothing in that resolution which I think • gentleman who had supported a protee tionist policy in past times might not here accepted. (Hear.) And it was, observe, under these circumstances, that my noble friend recommended those who arc proud to be his followers frankly to accept such • resolution, if it was brought forward. There was no secret of the advice he bad given. He should not have cared if it was known at Charing-eras—and probably it was known at Charing croas—but a remarkable fact is, that the moment that advice did become known, three odious epithets were put into this resolution. (Loud cheer. from the ministerialists.) Clearly, that is not the way to bring about the unanimous decision of the House of Commons on a subject of such vast importance. I can assure the bon. member for Manchester, who appears to demur to my atatemeut, that he will never obtain his object by such means, because whether he gains in the division or not, he could only gain his object by a small majority ; and that would be a circumstance:neces sarily giving the world the idea that on this vital question, which all of us here agree is settled, there are still arrayed in the House of Commons two great parties. (Cheers.) This resolution, however, very different from the one I first saw, was placed on the table of the house ; and it then became our duty to consider what would be the best course for us to take. It was quite clear that if the lion. and learned ;gentlemen (Mr. Villiers) persisted in moving that resolution there would not only be a division, but a division of the most balanced kind ; and that instead of commencing a new parliament with a declaration which would atop any further agitation of these controversial topics, we would be commencing • new parliament by a movement that would render this question again the means of demarcation be tween parties. (Cheers.) The resolutions, as placed on the table, were not only painful and injurious to gentlemen oa this side of the house, but I believe they were not received with much favour by many gentlemen on the other side. It was, therefore, not impossible that we might have moved the "previous question" with considerable prospects of sue-' as. To have asked our friends, for the sake of unanimity, to accede to these resolutions was impossible. (Cheers.) It is very well to say these are only words; it is very well to say that many of us may be of opinion now that that legis lation was wise and beneficial though we did not think so formerly; but there could not be two opinions as to the meaning and motives of the epithets made use of ander such circumstances, and in public as well as in private it is a mistake to submit to an insult. (Loud cheers.) Under these circumstances we endeavoured to draw up • distinct resolution which should conciliate opinion to such a degree that we might hope to see it accepted. With regard to the amendments before the house I confess I think that the question is really assuming too trifling a character. (Hear.) Between the hon and learned gentleman (Mr. Villiers) and myself there is a real cause of difference. To such assertion of opinion I give the most unhesitating opposition. (Load dicer..) Bet as regards the amendments suggested by the govern ment and by the noble lord (Palmerston) I see no real diffe rence between them. I may have the same paternal feelings which have beer alluded to by another gentleman ; but I should not consider it my duty to oppose the general feeling of the house in any respect whatever. (Cheers.) The real question is, whether the honourable and learned gen.leman and his friends are to outrage the feelings of this aide of the house—(cheers and counter chain), and of many gentlemen on the other side of the house abio—ttninisterial cheers), by a course which, totally ' irrespective of personal feeling, I say is most impolitic and unwise. (Loud cheen.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I hope, sir, notwithstanding some parts of the speech of the right hon. gentleman and the tone of his concluding observations, that the house may yet be able to arrive at • decision upon this subject which, if not unanimous, will at least represent a great majority of the house, and thus fintlr lo cree the question so long in dispute between what is Free Trade and what pee by the name of Protection. It did appear to me that whoa this parliament was assembled it was desirable, in the first place, that some decision should be come to upon that great situation of imennesesial and financial po licy, oa which the cienetry lad been so long divided • and, in the next plow, that it is de sizable ihat these, who had made themselves the particu lar mimosas end had styled themeless the sole defenders et lantesele Mash had been affintsd by moat legislation, should ham a fall end ample opportenity of laying before this Muss and the ematry those measures which they eon- sidend wield repair any evil that had been done, and while at the mans time would conduce to the ,. Lend = liri stabled .i my the conduct I T the commencementnd t use l wo of principles esy conduct sine. tb. commencement of the present masks. With reaped to the first of them, it =l:te me that • great =Wake had been comm itted d i vieksg bar Majesty to make, in the speech from the *ems, •dam. and explicit declaration. My opinion is that the ft who sit cm this ado, and all them who are free amble, showed remarkable forhearanee in net moving ea anneedmiat en the address. No amendment, howeram i t : ssmod we Ms address. it woe mann that anabor should bo taken of it a declare. time et ths on that quells* ; sad no member was so It a lb sal be thembeion of the hoses ss my be. sell Isom* *blond (Mr. Villiers). The • ht I=lllsays thnt the atlas of my ban. and 11 smierweet some changes he bum, after certain alt. end that otiose effithale were introduced- Thin I , m far se I sel mgnissat of tLe cir osmileness. (So we inetlesollead the noble lord.) New, liir, I must say that the AIM b, end it is a fret withie my own knowledge, that the Int mggestiens which were made by my hoe. sad loomed bleed all contained the woods " wise end Jest," as words illt a bs introduced on onek • &OM and I Myself was ens of dices who, long bolas the meting fa D?walagairest, advised that the ' woe wits and just should be introduced. I thought that they wee. It wards. Is appeared that parlia ment is ice Moises had ostablished. duo compolitles, sad the sole - W W ast those by whisk unrostrienell amps tides inne maillhed NNW eviamtly bee wise ast. It b an set of "'rumen, sad see we te &Mare that paelimesat was mjast la rr Mat net I never would esseent to seshapwpeYtiw aw ßatbesides this I lesa in mind whet I date my same as mind, thM which thebsnassalserhe Wel melessopeop. end that WA* me se bean* posperly and henentably said by es. hisensabis a member se *ere is in fide Muss the nab had Ohs member for Leiratter, that it was s wise ast, and that some tribute woo due as las ramarry of the thestrisne sestosman by whom it was in treinsod—(eboars)--whe fa the debates upon the bill who it was passing through this hewn and to kis last mole with teepees a it, enforced the justice of that act. (Ohms) Well, it appeared that although this epithet was net an odious one, still it was thought that it was of that character that M railed • contgeoseen and a doubt and hesitation, on the parr of some fee. traders whisk it was not desirable to maintain; Slid therabee, wee my right hon. friend the member for Carbide showed me the words be had drawn, I said that I thought that these words, with the addition which I ventured to suggest, were fully sufficient, and would answer the wpm which I thought wo had is visw—that, as the am beak they should be explicit ; and on tits other had Mould not give any mammary d ense. I should add the cm. Mambas that proposed mediae was not a maim of want of madams', beams I thought if a vote of want of confidinme ous*Ato be premed. it ought to be proposed directly sad met beffiready. (Neer, Mar.) Well, sir, my hoe. and loorn i t e id es a i the mambo" lee Wolver hampton, upon the whale t that them ceasiderations which I have alnady is favour Medlin this a wise jest, adhemasiol messare, prveeeden ted, and he placed the 11161111161111 on the table of the house. It was, then, a question which the hems had fairly before it. The right hon. gentleman this plotted his resolutions on the table and I ewa it appears to sae that those resolutions which he has proposed are so equivocal, fall so far short of the extent to which I think they should go, that it might be • matter of dispute hereafter whether the act of 1846 was not an actor injustice and folly, whose injustice we should remedy as soon as we could, and whose folly we should endeavour to correct by reversing the system as soots as popular opinion would allow us. I think that the words are open to that interpretation, and I for one cannot consent to them. I agree with my hon. and learned friend the member for Wolverhampton, that the revolution should be , the question. I say still that that is the mind of the country. The right hon. geii, nun thi s only only question is whether he should confirm,' b, hold ettie7 itmW y e l ' ls o is u t h o m . t e n i th r i e e i n f d r g I h the t ln h a o. y m *gym: venture a f n u t r o h n ris u e g l v : d r though not in very gracious terms certainly—(s laugh), but having declared his willingness to 'Omit tne fur 1%, own resolution the resolution which was first drawn tip my right hon. friend the member for Cathode, 31.1 was placed on the table of this house by my noble I r k the member for Tiverton, that he, my bun. mid harel4 friend the member fur Wolverhampton, should d ee : are 1., t willingness to accept that resolution; and %hither ha i members are, like my hon. and learned fund the nitwit.; for Wolverhampton, or Ike my h on . f r i ent ! the member fir the West Itillinir, arid other hon. gentl emen , Ines traders lung date, or whether they d a te f rom 1812 to Ilite, m whett o they date from the month of Nov i mb er i n t h e present yen —whatever may be the elate of their free trade ptif 'oe' that they should all unite, and give t o t h e resulutien sanction of the House of Commons. (Ch eers.) Mr. COBDEN then rose, amid er a tea t When they had subsided, be said—l n th e early part of conversation I felt a considerable difficulty to comma-heat exactly what was the tendency of the marks 01 steer speakers, and it was only by degre es b 1 arrived at tee full nature of what is the question art issue, at pr. en., When [ listened to what was said by the noble lord • member for Tiverton and other gentlemen, about behav4 in a gentlemanly way to each other, and coming to au seat: mous agreement on this great question, I was ulmunt : the moment unconscioue of what it was that was Mae between us. But the speech of the right lion. gest. ; man the member fur Carlisle, mid the remark, by ute,r gentlemen who have followed, I think have comp, nt i g e. veloped what it is we are now discussing. It appear, ~,. solution was prepared by the right lien. b.auint the a : bee for Carlisle which contained a phrase sees.-rt4nr thst t . free-trade measures since 1846 have not had the tint. inflicting injury upon any great interest. Now, the rid. -; • hon. gentleman distinctly tells WI that this Meese inserted with a view to meet the claim for comprusation certain interests, to bar ell claim fur cousomeatent • smelling that no injury had been dime to important Serest.. It appears that this resolution, by what Mesas have not yet heard, dropped into the hands of the lord the member for Tiverton ; and he taking this n lotion, and cutting out the important phrase that for, tea: had not inflicted injury upon important interest' therefore that no compensation mild be claimed; h'svie; disposseesed the resolution of that important phrase, ,t somehow fields its way to the Cm Iton Club, and there, at a meeting, the protectionist party required unthimously that they would accept this resolution. (No, nu.) Nut saimi mously. (N a.) Then it seems we are nut going to In the the happy family ; it appears that we caonet mows this matter in this drawing-room gentlemanlike I „ hits,. I e.l,nit the excellent tone, and ton great extent I admit the nese and the sufficiency of the resolution drawn by the right hon. barone (Sir J. Graham); but on it sera. to ham been assumed by the right hon. gentleman thy Ctsn °eller of the Exchequer that what lie is plaineti to tall the free trade party had agreed to that resuluti vet , and thin, after finding that the Carlton Club and 1/ ...sing str.e._ (no, no)—tben the Reform Club and the Cerium the, an , not shaking hands on this question. Attir the right ben baronet had been summoned to Downininetreet—that ',sec which was once called a barracoon—having agreed to sap. port that resolution, then the sight hon. gentleman sop that the free traders, who had agreed to that resnluhan, afterwards put in it odious words, which prevented tour adopting it. Now, I venture to say—l would not na ture to say it on any other question— bat 1 tb elk it no presumption to say it might not be wire:m."llll3le that before a resolution bad been adopted by the fro-wile party in this house, I should have been consulted. (11,m, hear.) Well, I never saw that resolution before it eis handed to the Carlton Club. I never go to IL., log-street. I was not a party to it. 1 5h ,, ,.1 have said that the resolution, whatever its ' , bran., logy might be, should affirm the justice and ttt wisdom of the policy of 1846, and I have alent and—affirm its justice and its wisdom, and I will not quarrel with you about the phraseology further. We therefore stand in this position. You have adopted majority of ynu have adopted —a resolution from;!reel you have ex punged the "justice" and the " wisdom" of the ;whey of Sir Robert Peel, and you have erased that phrase which barred you from compensation. Now, that question of corn. peneation has assumed no common importance since this discussion commenced, because it is quite evident that the right hon. gentleman the member for barks (Mr. Blench) has told us—the noble marquis ha. elicited from him— that lie has a measure which will ameliorate the coudition of the agriculturists who were injured by this free trade. He has told us that those measures were injurious to the landowners, and that he is prepared to apply remedial. measures. What does the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets. say to that ? The that time I had the pleasure of meeting him was on the platform of the Free-trade Hall, at Manchester—(hear, hear)—and I thought that no me who had gone through that ordeal—(a laugh) —was ever in danger of being seduced when he got to this house, least of ell, that he would nibble at a bait when it had becu de prived of half its goodness; and virtue. (Cheers.) If the hon. gentleman had got the whole of the right hon. member for Carlisle's motion it would not have been so bad ; but to take it alter it had been modified by the noble lord the member fur Tiverton—l am astonished that the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets should not have had more sagacity. (Cheers and laughter.) Now, I may say—for we are talking of these little matters of management with very little reserve—now it comes out that there has been some little dexterity in framing the resolution, in order to meet the difficulties of the right hon. gentleman the member for the University of Oxford. It seems that the right hon. gentleman had on one occanon voted fora motion of the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Dis. reel) for compensation, and I presume that this rcsolatioa was so framed, that whilst it bars prospective compensa tion, it should not shut out the protectionists from retro. active compensation ; it bars compensation for the future, but it 1 compensation for past free trade. (Cheep.) Now, that reduced to plain common sense, such as I am in the habit of applying to it, means that there may be compensation for corn and cattle, but there may not be compensation for butter and cheese. (Laughter.) Now I think that the right hon. gentleman, if he applies his mind to this question, may find a much bettor reason for altaing his judgment after that precipitate vote which he gave on a former occasion by comparing the present state of things with those in 1849, when he gave that unhappy vote ; fir he will find that no great interests have been affected by the changes in our system. (Hear, hear.) Now the net question is, whether we are to have compensation at the expense of the taxpayers of this country for those measur. ? (lerial cries of " No.") If you admit that priney.e, then we have gained nothing ; for it would be very e.sy for you, if you were determined to take the money out of the pockets of the people in another way—it would be quiteas easy to do so by the tax-gatbever as by protectis, as it is called. (Cheers.) You may abolish every Custom house and exciseman in the kingdom, and yet I will ander. take to impose taxed in such • way that they will effect More injury than th e protective system itself. (Cheers.l Therefore the whole question will have to be gone throw again. (Hear, hear.) Hoa. gentlemen say that bemuse they find the majority is opposed to them they us prepared to make their bow to it. Now, we don't make oar bow to the majority. (Loud cheers.) I give you warning that if you intend to raise this compensation in the shape of tale', you will begin another str w uEle—(renewed cheers)--and I venture to say—if I maypoi nt to my past history as any warranty for the trutltaf t I predict—that that struggle you will find as disastrous as the last. (Great cheering ) What I us meet maims to do is this—and I won't go into the questim—what I wish now to do is to bring this home to • vote whisibehall test the question, whether, after the election, we stead in.. good a position as we did before! (Hear. hear.) Per in the last parliament not only did we Alm the tre•-trede policy to such an extent, that even the risks lea. geatkenta (Mr. Disraeli) never ventured to d , t• rite he benedlidal results: but when the right honourable ratline& keened is his motion to give compensation— for that wee tike seam in which they understood it—the late parliamest, is very large homed, twice refused co:opens'. don. (Cheers.) Now l. want, as early as possible, to have a &Thin, to know whether — after all the turmoil of the late •Isetioa, and after all its extravagance, expense, and torruptise—we bays 'steed, as the co s u t aX believes, a great triumph, or whether we stand in as a position as we did before. (Lend sheers.) I want • question to be put pare and duple to the house, and thereL:re I hope lbe has, sad learned member for Wolverhampton will shrink from his resolution. (Loud cheers.) I hope we shil go at ONO late the discussion on the main question, and take a &visa upm it; and then, when we have ha d the' &sista% we ellen know what is the work for free traders in :aura. (Loud cheers, and cries of "Divide.") Mr. NBWDRGATE mid that he, at that moment, perhaps represented the protectionists; and now he would tell the house what they meant to do. They fully acknowledged that the decision of the country was against protection; and now, with the knowledge of that decision, they meant tome whether the present government would not consider the injuries which they knew to exist. If this house was pleased to affirm • free trade resolution, he (Mr. Newdegate) would leave the house, and take no part until he saw what measures for their relief would be proposed by her Majesty's government. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Newdegate) was rejoiced to find her Ma jesty's government resisting this resolution; and they should have his most cordial support, so long as they re slabbed true te their principles. But of all the circum stances of the times he regretted, he most regretted the shock which in past years had been given to public confi dence in public men. (Hear, hear.) Another such shock from a second conservative government would do more to subvert our institution than the worst efforts of the most violent democrats. (Cheers.) He still respected Lord Derby, because he had submitted this question to the deci des el the country : and by so doing, had taken the only aims by which be could have brought the question to its esietles. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, ho had only to say, that instead of voting, he should leave the house—(a laugh.) --and that he should abstain from taking any decided sours., until he saw whether justice wee to bo done to the egrtcnitural interests. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GLADSTONE merely rose for a moment to explain, In welseequence of something that had fallen from the hon. em ob*? for the West Riding. That hon. gentleman eMeMd to think—and if so, he could not wonder at his re it—that there had been some connection between Gladstone's) vote in 18.50 and the framing of the pretreat resolution. Ile (Mr. Gladstone) begged leave to say that there was no such connection. 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