The Express. — London, England, 1848-07-25 00:00:00

THE 1, - XPRESS, TUESDAY tTENING, JULY 25, 1 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. I HOUSE OF LORDS.--MeNDAT, JULY 24. I Th• LOAD Catatictu.unt took his Nat at 0 O'clersk. PRIVATE BusiNgss. smcoND READnco.—Tbora• Moor Drs;mir, am m!111'111- lIIMIO''.e. „ REArerstos.—Srlitehiven se al Puma= 1ar.,,t5,,.., Rahway Laitegin::l....."64c-Ilitu--fkil"'jous.c( nute:siht:;omntonwtirkend.o,....dratiatnighmtiiiiiaL.,;flelL9itt:B;!?vitniizerUit.:, way (Loodon-bridge and 'New-croes mar...o; u.d....4 Soutb. W.atern Railway Company's Acts Arivridnient (extension, deviation, end new works) ; Billa ruP,Lic BUSINESS. PETITIONS.—IIy the earl of LUCAS, front • dialect in Ireland. complaining of the suspension of the public works there in Ist', and of the great diem• occasioned thereby.--Earl of DARROWRY, from journeymen bakers, complaining of the system which obligee ' them to work by night; ale from planters, merchants, and others of Jamaica, oomplaiiting of the degrees occasioned by the recent mea sure. bringing foreigm sour into oimpeetion with the swear of our colonies.•-lord ISEA:'RONT, from Ci.ISSIer. compleining of the neglect of a joint mock a milmini in.* attending to the 0.1011101.100 01 the river Dee. gp.c.r..„.,' RF.ADINGS.-I'. ; Zeoleeleeneel rumen. Suite Compromies • Mg. COMMITAE.—PubIic Health Bill. REPORT. —Ti age. Relief (Ireland) Bill. vos. 1 and 2); THIRD READlNOS.—Adminietration of Justice (I , ~.,. , ~..,...,.. PrOSSCOOII of Justices from Vexatious Actions; Eutia, S , ~ ,,,e 7 `,_ . siastieti Patronage between Der Majesty and the karl of s^- l r . lOUs. COMMONS' AMF.NDMENTS COSslDEßED.—Amigement clesiestical Districte B. ALL ITS eiTAGES.—illllabeas Corpus Suspension (Ireland) Bill. Earl Darnley took the oaths and subscribed the parlia mentary roll. SUSPENSION OFIRELAND) lIABEAS CORPUS ACT ( BILL. Mr. Kemal and other members of the House of Commons brought up this bill. The Marquis of LANSDONCFNE said before the house proceeded further in its ordinary woul d business, he d call at tention to an act just sent up from the otherous—being an act to suspend the habeas corpus act in ce rtain . eases 111 Ireland instil the let of March, 11419, and he beggect tem to move that the bill be r..:, a find time. The bill having been read a first time. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE proceeded toasty that it now became his duty to call attention to the further proceed. logs as tothis bill. He was about to propose a very unusual but not an unprecedented course with respect to the bill ;and it would save time if he at once made hie olwervations as to the course which he was about to propose lie had first to state to their lordships that which 0 was su ffi ciently known, that only three days had elapsed since the subject was matter of discussion in that house, and in that time addnal and ocharac ver- w h e lming proof had been given of the nature, ter, and amount of the exigency for which their lordships were now called on to legislate. In the cou rse what the prognosive state of Ireland. Ile held in h a s hish had hand a shoc ort report, containing a summary of the bets curred in Ireland uto Saturday last, and the result was, that the clubs, out o p f which rebellion was destined to g row, were advancing with accelerated pace. (Hear, othhear. r ) In the countiis of Cork, Wate rford, Ti p perary, of the country. and e coun ties, these clubs were prac tically in posseasion During the short time since the Lord Lieutenant had pro claimed the cities of Dublin, Cork, and Waterford —during that brief period the leaders of this conspiracy had been moving from town to t o wn and from county to county for the avowed purpose of reviewin haile ex tent of their power. These proceedings been adopted without disguise, as if the object of these persons Was to make out a cue for the measure which their lordships were now called upon to ad‘pt. Without troubling their lordships with a mass of evidence as to the state and conduct of these parties iu Ireland, he would shortly invite attention to a few paragraphs Lore some of the acknowledged imparts of sedition in that ciuntry, and lroin some most active leaders of three clubs. He found a person called Donovan, in a letter in a public print, stating " now every eye can see the path which we should follow, now we have ceased to discuss our position, and have commenced our Exodus ; now we have passed fairly into a state of practical war." After reading other passages, the noble marquis continued. In the conclusion of the letter he said, " Young men of Ire:and, on y ou I principally rely ; my reliance is based on this, that yon arc very much inclined to be valiant and have very little prudence to spare. Brothers, let your watchword be ' Now, or never.' " Another of theme paper., which was signed with the initials of "J. F. AL," meaning J. F. Meagher, who was also one of the insunee dor ary leaders, said, " There are 40.1/00 armed men in the service of England "—inen, he (the Marquis of Lansdowne) might observe, in passing, were placed there for the defence of the country—" there are some 40,000 armed men in the livery and service of England; and the question now is, how best and soonest to kill and capture them." If there were any further explanation or proof wanting of he th h e spiri e t in which it was sought to direct t wol ' mind and industry, if it could be so called, of that partof the kingdom, it would be found in another 01 these papers, which he held in his band, and which availed itself of one of the most useful, beneficent, and effectual mea tuVes that the prerient Lord Lieutenant uf Ireland had de• vissd far the improvement of that country, for the purpose of guarding against and preventing the recurrence of famine, of which there still continued to exist too much &p-prehension. For this purpose the Lord Lieutenant of Ire land hai sent persons through the country, who had been by all loyal subjects well received, and they bore the name of " practical instructors." the object b eing tO improve the ra - .e of agriculture in thattry. Now these people, availing themselves of that name, had, after describing them as one of Lord Claren don's titles of honour, " The Practical instructor," sent forth a column of instructions, not for the purpose of improving the land, but containing every direction that the most hellish imagination cauli supply for the purpose et multiplying the means of destruction and degradation throughout the land. lie would not fatigue their lordships by reading the whole of these instructions, but one of them was to prescribe a male by which flair of sulphur might be fused with molten lead, so as to make the bullets more de structive. Another WAS, as to the method of making • glass tube with • sharp point, which it was said would be a fatal in strument. There were also various receipts for preserviag arms in damp positions, and for making grenade windows, to be used for the purposes of war against the troops a..,d her Majesty's loyal subjects in Ireland, in the event of a rebel lion. fhe question was how, in the possession of these facts, t h e ir lordships ought to act , not only in applying a remedy, but also how they could beat give that remedy a prompt effect. (Hear, hear.) He therefore bad turned his attention to pre , etlents, in order to see what would be the most 'reedy coui se winch could be adopted, and he was happy to state that there were precedents by which it appeared their lord ships in times of emergency had, without any notice, pro corded in one day to carry sue!. a bill through all its stages. lie found, without troubling their lot el ships with other precedents, that in the year 11103, without any previous no' ice, two bills were read a first 'ime, the standing orders 26 and 1.55 were dispensed with, and they were then passed through all their stages. It was resolved that it was unntially necessary for the public safety that they should be proceeded with, and with all despat:h ; and he had no hesitation in asking for a similar cou rse to be adopted n ow. (Hear.) When persons put themselves without the pale of the constitution, when they proclaimed war without incurring the dangers of wi.r, they were: not entitled to receive the benefit of the wise pre cautions which the law of that house prescribed for the pro tection, not of rebellious, but of loyal subjects. (Cheers.) One of the papers to which he had alluded ended with a singular sentence. After the moat infamous language, the writer concluded by saying: " Konen:lller this—that some where, and somehow, and by somebody, a beginning must Ile male. Who strikes the first blow for Ireland ? Who will draw the first blood ? " He believed that the best way to prevent the first blood from being shed was without delay to pass this bill, sod he should therefore at once move that it be read a second time. (Hear, hear.) Lord BROUGHAM gave his most hearty support to this measure ; hut be must protest against the doctrine that we wanted this or any other measure to save us from losing Ire land. It was a fallacy to suppose that the existence of the British empire in Ireland was in jeopardy ; the measure was only wanted to prevent attempts at a severance of Ireland from England ;. and although they m ust si g nall y fail, yet they might produce bloodshed. (Hear, hear.) Any attempt to carry out the wicked projects of the leaders of the insur rectionary party in Ireland, it must be evident to all, would most signally fail. (Hear, hear.) Such a measure was surely wanted when persons within the walls of parliament were issuing these vile proclamations ; and one of the worst passages yet published came front a prisoner in a prison. He hoped there was power to prevent pritnns from being con verted into place a from which criminals should again perpetrate the offence for which they had been committed. There was a power vested in the judges not only to commit to prison but to any prison. Such power was proved to exist in the ease of a gent ecoan, and a man of eduction, who had been sentenced to 18 months' confinem• nt in Dorchester gaol for libel, and he hoped the same law spoiled to Ireland. He doubted whether the leaders would object to this measure. There were persons who preached violent doctrines to the multitude. hut they took very good care not to run any risk themselves. Their object& were most sordid; they only sought to draw moons ; front the pockets of the people and thought by saying, 'Do this and that, but don't break the law," that they should save themselves from proncution ; hut they were greatly mistaken. It was uif they were to i bring gunpowder near a fire, and running away from it were to say, " Pray don't explode." Their course had been to get all they could out of the people and then run away. Another set of persons bad arisen who wished to make naing seditious speeches w ithout being amenable to the m ) aw tor sedition. He believed those persons were the very last to wish for a rebel lion ; but they could not stop their dupes • and the best way to prevent it was to secure the persons of these leaders and keep them quiet; and it was because this was the object of the bill—it was because it sought to prevent the peace of the country from being broken that ne gave his reluctant Consent to tlis salutary beesuee necessary measure. I Hear.) T; e Earl of WICKLOW complained of Mr. Duffy being allowed from his prison to publish most seditious and treasonable langin-ge. The Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE said although the letters to which the noble earl referred were dated from the prison, there was reason to believe they were not written there. (Hear, hear.) The Earl of ELLENBOROUCiII gave his cordial assent to the measure, but did not think it would prevent rebellion. If it had been, proposed six or eight weeks ago it might have done so. But • system of organisation had been growing up from day to day. The speeches which had been read by the noble marquis were not new. Three months ago Lord Stanley read from the United Irishman similar language ; and it was three months ago when he (Lord Ellenborough) called attention to the state of Ireland, and ask:d if the government anent to come CATTLE, &c.—Total of Cattle received in London, by the Emtern Counties Railway, for tke week ending July 22 :—Seaqs, 1,514; Calves, 144; Sheep, 9,169; Pigs, 463. NORWICH, July 22.-Our market exhibited a good show of store Cattle ; there was a fair attendance of buyers, and more sales effected, still pric es cannot be quoted any better. Fat Beasts a small number; trade firm, at 64. 6d. to 75. per stone of 14lbs. The pens were b good Limbs, quite as dear; middling, a better sale, with a clearance, more confidence already being restored, and not one distasea lot offered. Keeping Sheep quite as dear. Fat Sheep, 81. per hone, and all sold. Ewes, s h e of all age still a dull sale. Oood store Pigs, from 30s. to 345. perad. Fat Pork, 6s. 6d. to 7s. per stone. AL:CIII:4IILAR VALIDY FAIR.-TOO show of Sheep as to number was certainly far above the a , traClC of many preced ing years, but, upon the whole, it was the general opinion that the various sorta in the market were of an faction qa lity. Wedders sold from 14, to 16, ; Ewes, from 1 0 s. 0 to 135.; and Limb, from To. to IN. The stow of Cattle was below the average of past years. Prime lit, 75.63 , down to 7s. and Gs. 6d. per Dutch static. Grass Cattle, two-year olds, straw fed, from 71. to 101. ; year-olde, from 41. to 61. Calving Cows were a little easier in price. The market on the whole was dull, and a considerable number of Sheep and Cattle remained unsold. CAMELFORD LAMB FAIR produced an extraordinary su pply of Siteep and Lambs. Upwards of 5,000, of superior quality, were produced for sale, but business was very dull; there not being more than one-hell sold, and those at a re duction of full '2O per cent. as compared wi'h last year. The cattle fair produced such a show of cattle, of all sera, as is rarely to b Peen in any other neighbourhood in the west of England for quality. There was rather a dull sale, owing to the farmers not being willing to submit to the reduction in the prices, but towards evening a good many bargains were effected, there being about 230 sold altogether. DCHDRE FAtR. Th ebusiness done was not so extensive I as on former occasion s, and p rices had rather • tendency I downwards. There were a good number of fat Cattle, but few of them were of first-rate quality. As high as 7s. fad. Dutch atone was gi ven in some cases, but the general average was consilemly lower. The show of lean Cattle for gross wa: goal, and prices realized were from 91. to 121. There were c onpamtively few Sheep end Lambs in the market. Black - t oe d wedders brought from 20s. to 253. ; and Lambs from 10s. to 14s. ELotts JtLY MARKET.-The show of stock on the ground was less than we have seen at a July market, but could not be called either small or of an inferior quality. Prices were considered below last mark et, and, p asture being generally good, farmers were less anxious to push a sale, so that, rather than yield to a great reduction, they kept their stock. The amount of sales effected was consequently not great. Several milk Cows changed hands, at prices from 8/. to 121 accord ing to quality ; two.year.eld ranged from 71. 105. to ' ll/. 105. Very few large or heavy Cattle were sold. Ross FAIR.-Store Ewes met with a ready pale, at r fom 275. to 335. each • fat Sheep, 61d. per lb. Fat Cows, 6d. per lb. Steers and 'fresh barren Cows met with • ready sale. Cart Horses sold at lower prices than at late fairs. Social ZEAL Fain.-Not only was the stack shown generally of a superior description, but also the fair was more largely supplied than has been the case for several years; indeed, e verything tended to show that this place is well situated for a mart for cattle. Of fat Bullocks there was a Sue show ; some superior and perfectly prof Bullocks were sold at 10s. 6d. per score by weight; cad, he ir quotation for fat Bullocks was from 535. to 603. per cwt., or from 9s. Gd. to 10s. 6d. per score. The supply of Sheep was not large, and these were sold at about 6d. per lb. The show of L ambs' was remarkable for superiority, and • lot of forty, from the farm of Beery Arthur Bowe, Flaq., Ozenbam, South Taw ton, should have especial mention, drawing general atten tion, and being greatly admired; 245. a-piece was asked for these prime Lambs. For Yeaterdny's markets tee last nage. "PorPatmant for any eater powers than those whisk they poreseUd ? was then said that if the Lord Lieute Sant oohed ' a ir natter powers they would.tome to parliament for awn; and were they to understand that the Lord Lieu 'amidst, only on the 18th of July, saw the neceasity fur fur ther powers? They bad seen the organisation of those whs. advocated rebellion ; but had the well-affeoted been orga nised, and put in poteetisien ISMS ? In the commencement of a rebellion organisation was everything. He thought this measure would now fecilita.e the rebellion. Ile said three months ago that no men ought to be permitted to carry arms in the then state of Ireland ; and he did not believe that any measure whatever would now be likely to prevent the rebel lion of the south without the arming of the north. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would not be provoked by the speech of the noble earl, the only one, he was happy to say, of that character which had been delirered in either house. He had chosen a had opportunity to go into details as to time, as to opportunity, and se on, hut he would assure the noble tad that on every one of these poits, at a fitting time, on any day the noble earl chose to name, he would meet him ou ehalf of the g overninent at home and et the Lord Lieutenbant, between whom and the government at home there had been the most perfect concert. IL• would not then say more, as he did not think, even after the speech of the noble earl, that he intended to obstruct the passing of the hill, which it wits so important should, as shortly as possible, become the law of the land. The Earl of GLEN° A LL sold that a ereat portion of the Roman catholic clergy were °plaited to this insurrectionary movement, yet he knew the noun a of many young Roman catholic priests who were u-giug the people on to rebellion. The day atter the proelarna•ion in Dublin a reverend gentle man in Conciliation-hall told the auditory that the time was win to strike the blow, and that it should be a death-blow to the ' -sower of England in Ireland . A t should t the lime time M r. ty'!lrien told the people tat S nr m ise it d h to tee 150,080 men no rch up from the south of Ire land to t h e ir old. Re would warn the Roman catholic clergy to be earls. in acireeing the people to rebellion, es every revolution in Euro p e bas: been destructive of the best interests of the Roman catholic clergy- They should take warning from the vest t and the-' youn e urging on the pople to rebellion should know that they were striking a deathblow at themselves. The Marqeds of LANSDOWNE, having moved that the standing orders be suspended, the bill was read a second time, the committee was negatived, and the bill was then read a third time and "sassed. HEALTII OF TOWNS BILL. Lord CAMPBELL moved the committee on this bill. The Earl of ELLEN BOHOUGH thought it had been greatly improved in the select committee. Lord It ha LIESDALE considered that the proviso which tee eluded so many works from the operation of the smoke preven tion cleave in the bill was unnecessary. He had, however, been obliged to accede to it. The ill then passed through committee, and was reported to the house. Their lordships adjourned at a quarter to 7 o',lock. doted to such a state new that it was impossible to live in the country without running the risk of losing one's life. The government would flatter themselves, indeed, if they fancied that fever or famine were at an end. The people were living at, in many cases, day from week to week. lie objected to the manner in which the bill for the suspen sion of the Habeas Corpus Act was passed The government had no right to come down to the house and take away the liberties of the Irish people, their representa tives being almost entirely absent from the house, and sulely on account nt a few madmen having gone about the country trying to excite the people, and writing some violent articles in a couple of newspepers. He was lately in the county cf onaghan, which was stated to be a disturbed county, but in his opinion the people there lead no arms, and had not the slightest idea of a disturhance. It see med to him that the connexion between Ireland and this country was only to be maintained at the expense of the liberties of the Irish people. The mivernment, for the purpose of conciliating the people of Ireland, ought to send back t e them the Irish aristocracy, the Lib entte proprietots, and the rents which they had taken away. The Proceedings in that house had di-appointed the country from year to year. When then the. noble fora found that the people of Ireland were disconteeted, he came down to the house with a till to deprive Them of their liber ties, and deiOgnated men es traitors w ho were no more I traitors than the noble lord himself. The noble lord also stated that the bill was intended to put down a set of men 1 whose object was plunder. lie repudiated the assertion that their olject as plunder. Ile was sure that Was not tho 1 flicject ot Mr w . S. O'Brien. He woule assure the house that 'the minds of the Irish people were poisoned by the London' journals as well as Irish papers. Referring to the measures for Ireland which were before the house, he said that there was one which could not pus, another too late, and a third (the Incumbered Estates Bill)-a bill to enable pauper land-' loots to sell their overburthened acres-and which would be of nobonefit to the people of Ireland. The hon.gentleman con cluded by stating that there was an attempt made to sow civil 1 anti religious discord in the northern part of Ireland, inso much as one of the emptoyes of the Dublin Carole was known to have artist that it the repealere of that part cf Ire land did not abandon the repeal cry they would be given up orthern Orangemen. short time i ret ff ee.rruophteadt theftby a to here the e7: iwte Was hoe a Mituhreersiephirouhmacdtohrepp ...1 Ifi w u sd s e . . ps e n , vn f e, ri: L or ds , ni ( fir bills, amongst which was land) Bill, which an nouncement produced much cheering. Lord J. RUSSELL said that he would not follow the hon. genleen who lost spoke in alludg to lei* observations on the n bi l l s which posted the housein last Saturday. If any body dod the necessity which r xisted tor such a measure ubte he had only to read the intelligence which had arrived that day from Ireland to arrive at the conclmeion ttat the hou se was full y justified in passing it. With reard to wnat fell from the hon. gentleman Me. Keogh ) who brought forward this amendment in refe rence to the motives which induced him to leave the house on Friday night, he should say that he left the house not through any disrespect to the hon. gentleman or the motion which he brought forward, but because ho himself had a HOUSE OF COMMONS.—HONDAY, JULY 21. motion of great importance to bring before the house on the following morning, and because he hail to react several (locu m. 8 AAAAAA took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE. BUSINESS. went-, end to consider well the grounds which he should put SECOND R EADINGS.-Newton'get's Quadrant Colonnade Bill. forward for the introduction of so important a meueire. Ile 'Gillett RE.-eos Estate; North Wales Railway knew it would take some time to inspect those documents, (lucnolettion of tnioncene); Bills. and lie thoug h t he had better leave the house for that per lentils' AMENOMiN'fiI CONSIVERED.-Payne's Potent» (im provement in reserving veirectiehte m atm.) Bell. PUBLIC BUSINESS. pose than to attend durinz the remainder of the de bate on the hon. gentleman's motion. (Cheers ) With egetTioSst.-Mr. WARD, nom various parish?' in Kent, aping regard to the motion which the hon. gentleman brought corona etitiNes in the Poor Belief Bill.- • Mr. MI LN ES, from guard- forward, he did not think that, ia alluding to ions of Bedminster, in Somenset, in favour of the Insertion of a chop* the ease of Mr. Mitchel, he was justified in a in the none bill to equalise the ra• ing of the agricultural and town statement that he made, to the e ff ect that the sheriff variation -sir It. PEEL, front (testi r, complaining that in the opera- WBll an officer appointed by the crown. Technically, it times for reclaiming loads in the vicinity of the riser Dee clue mort ician had not been made for the navigation of that rieer. The 'telethon. might be said that he was ; but, in feet, he was selected cut hairnet xcel...coed a hope that the m“nher for hunter would fennel a of three persons named by the Chief Justice. Evidently, motion en the subject. The AT roits EV-GENERAL also emerald a that was totally different hom his bane an officer selected petition, from the some place, on the some mire ct, which referred to by the crown. With regard to the conduct sa the sheriff, in is opinion expresced by the TWA Ilarbour CommisetemernW to thiie his (Lord J. Rewire) belief, the sheriff performed his duty ',1N:j"ri0f,.,;°,07'i',i..7,.:,r4",%:"„en.u'.0r rillArgigyj."fr",;.,"..=!,‘„l,i ionecientiously. But the Met. gentleman said that it was againnt s the salic r ui spirituous o f on Sonclays..-Lord It. litti is- owing to eaving out of the list the names of a great number VESBilt, from the inierclion+ of the Ilmwell Union, in favour of an of lc a, and sod allegi the mimes of certain per extended system of eneitrration and ou icene,ation. -Mr. CABOWEI.I., sons who were place on the jury list. It was asked ewe from Liverpool, Signed by the mayor, magtrates, merchants, hank- whether it was intended to prevent catholic' and repcalere era, and others, hailing with gratitude the hilt or e utte a step ve the disorders In Ireland, praying that, as a larg proportion of the from acting u jurymen. lie would *newer-neither one town of Liverpool WAS Irish, tend that there existed there a similar nor the other wu intended to be omitted Catholics otranleation by c hile., se., as prevailed in Irelorn a similar measure were equally qualified with protestant' to act as jurols might Ire IKIPIAst for that Man, mil that it might be placed under tin on general questions, and a man's being a repealer did not protection of the mildewy. clicqualify him ; but this question was with regard to the 81•C°N"ItEAl'IN6'..-11'e P•o'"c" ""'d'a" t C°lcmnade BM ` ami o ff ence of a person who declared openly that Ireland ought referred to a whet committee ;Hum Douce ; Stock-in-Trude Lump- to be separated from England ; that she should be a se thail imß:4lTrri:E._l.„,,ii,. , vo , k , wo oo t, N o . 2f. perate republic • that the. Queen ought to be demised from iii) Kt: %DING. -•lficetenteered Estates (Ireland) Bill. her authority and title ; and that ouch ami asure sho old be I NOTICE OF MoTION.-sf.see. Temn-Mr. UhtflUllAßT, tea an acceorop!liched immediately. The queation Was with reg rd early day, to sulwait a motion condemnatory tit the course taken by to the pertains to he selected to act as jurors in such a case. the government for the r eppreseion of the stave trade. whether or nut they were peons who would do their duty DUBLIN ELECTION COMMITTEE , in try ng it-in fact whither they were likely to give a ser- On the motion of Leird R. GROSVENOR, Mr. Babes was diet acceding to the evidence. If the Attorney-G . neral diecharged from further attendarce on this committee, in thought that there were any mrsons on the jury who were consequence of the severe illness of a near relative. not likely to mve a verdict ecconliseg to the evidence, THE I'OOR LAW BILLS, and who were likely to give a while. against the In angle( r to Mr. I.: wee Hata, evidence, he was pettedly warranted in challenging such Mr. C. BULLER said it was certainly his intention to p rains. As to the question whether that digerati n was proceed with the tour bills on this subject which stood on properly used, that was a matter which neither lie nor the the patter, and to-morrow at 12 o'clock he would take the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland could enter into, for they could' bill emence:teol with union charges. teat form any judgment a. to the characters of particular in- Plil V ILEG E. oividuals; hut it was clam that those who published Mr. ANSTEY withdrew an expression which had been opinions in favour of the offender were not fit persons to try attributed to him in the reports of his speech ot Friday last his case. (hear. t Such was the case with regard to those on Mr. ficoeh's motion on packing juries in Ireland, chug- who were left out of that jury. The sheriff wee resoonsible ing Sir G. Grey with having misquoted teem a ape. eh of Mr. for his conduct ; hut, with respect to the Attorney-General , Keogh's in 1810.41. If he had used the term mi-quotation he was himself a Horan catholic, add he did not think that it was under the excitercent of the moment, aggravated by it won to be inferred that he would by any act of his dis the interruption to which he was subjected, and not as qualify himeelf from acting as a juror unaer similar eircum meaning to infer that the right hon. baronet had intention. emcee. These were the olnervatione which he had ally mis l emma a speech. to make with regard to what the hon. gentleman Sir G. GREY was obliged to the hon. member for the raid in reference to Mr. kliteleel's trial. lie did not explanation. hear him state anything particular with regard to the other OVERCROWDING OF STEAM-BOATS. trials. lie had only then finally to say that he could not Mr. C. LUSIIINGTON called the attention of the right agree, in the present situation of public attain, to the motion hon. baronet to the statements whieh have already appeared o the hon. gentleman. Ile did not think that the house in the daily papers ns to the complaints made to the Lord would be disposed to think that it would be advents •eous to Mayo in regard to the overcrowding of steam-boats on the enter into an inquiry on this subject; but, in conclusion, he river. especielly to the recent Reel& nt to the machinery of would state generally, that there was the utmost de-ire on the Fire King, and the danger to which the passengers were the part of the govt rament, the Lord Lieutenant, and the xposed, and v, his lordship's statement that he knew of no Attorney•Generel, to give foie trials. means of putting a atop to the abuse, and that he believed The motion was then put and negatived without a divi no remedy would be applied until 400 or 600 people were sion. sacrificed. He wished to know if government was pre. The house then went into a committee of su pp l y on the pared to propose any regulation to prevent a danger so AItMY ESTIMATES. i m minent ? Mr. F. MAULE said that having so fully o n a former Sir 0. GREY had had no notice of the question, and was occasion stated the particulars of the votes for the army, he not aware that any measure was in preparation. Ile would, should now do no more than simply place in the hands however, communicate with his hon. friend the President of of the chairman the list of t he votes re q uired for his de the Board of T ra de on the solace. ptrUnent. A vote of 1,330,8801. was then asked for to defray the ANNUITY TAR (SCOTLAND). Mr. HUME. in ca llin g the attention of the how* to the expenses of her Majesty's land forme in Great Britain and proceedings at Edinburgh on the aril day of July, where tee Ireland, being part of a flan of 3,836,880/., 2,500,000/. of military were called in, in aid of the civil power, in the col• which had been already voted. lection of this tax under • warrant of distress, inquire d why EVANS called attention to a petition which the attempt was not made to levy the distr. ss hy means of he hue recently pregented, complaining of some diradvan the civil power at the disposal of the Lord l'rovoet of Edin- age under which retired of laboured, in consequence burgh bi fore the military were called in ? of their not being allowed to advance in rank the same as The LORD ADVOCATE explained the circumstances un- thou on active service. der which this tax was levied for the support of the clergy of Mr. F. MAULE mid this had always been the case, and Edinburgh, end the difficulty of collecting it in consequence he had heard no previous complaint on the matter. It of its unpopularity. In some instances the person of might be a question how far it was advisable to edvance the der: miter had been seized tor non-payment , an d these officers in the way poin'ed out, though it m i g ht be this had increased th e un p o p ularity of the tax; end done without any additional expense. To the officers them• in the ease in question, in which a respectalee selves he thought i t . mattered little. Oct the subject of the pers on Was the defaulter, it WU deterrnined to issue dockyard battalions, to which the Eon. and gallant gentle s warrnt e xc it ement , which was done ; bet, in consequence man had also alluded, he remarked that they were a most of the which prevailed (on a former occasion the , tficient branch of the service, but the officers would not sheriff had attempted a sale, hut had been deforeed and the take rank as officers of the ee, but only as volunso police put to the rout), it was t h o ught necessary in enet uting officers, and after officers of li the same rank. Hence te he it to call in the military, to keep the square in which the thought there would be no difficulty in the two corps acting goods were sad clear, and as a matter of precaution to pre- together. vent bloodehed. None of the parties interested, however Sir D. L. EVANS mad the peninsular medals were not were excluded from the sale. He must, in conclusion, h e yet issued. lie hoped that some order would be made by a llowed to express his opinion that the p rceent police force government which s hould permanently regulate the issue of o f Edinburgh was wholly in ade q uate for its. purpose. medals to the army. The East ledia Company having Mr. lIUME inquired whether g o vernment had it in on • issued medals to the officers in their service, it became de templatinn to wept any means of providing for the clergy sit able that the same amulet hue done in the army generally. so as to prevent these disagree-fat occurrences ? Mr. B. OSBORNE considered that the treatment of the The LORD ADVOCATE was not aware that any other whole army, especially the officers of the line , wit h re g ard means of paying the clergy were in contemplation than to decorations had been most infamous. The reason was, those which had existed for more than 200 years. If the neither the government nor the house had any cortrel hon. gentlemen had any proposition to make tor the purpose over thc Commander in Chief of the Horse Guards. which should he free from the objection which attached The latter required thoroughly dooming out, end to the present mode, he should be anxious to give it the he would submit a motion on the subject. At fullest cansideration. preemit a meritorious of fi cer had not the slightest chance of STATE OF IRELAND. notice from the Horse Guards. The recent Kaffir war Mr, S. CRAW FORD, in order tel ascertain the most had been carried wholly through, FO far as the brunt of the convenient time for bringing forward his motion on the note contest was concerned, by three or four officers, who were of Ireland, inquired when the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) thanked in every despatch, and that was all. The names of proposed again to move a committee of supply ? Col. Somerset, Capt. Hogg, and Capt. Biseett, occurred in Lord J. RUSSELL nroposed to proceed with the motion every desproch ; but they had received no promotion. Un• for a committee of Replay again on Friday. The hon. gen- der the present system the Under-Secretary of the Colonies I heman could take either that day or Monday next for his Wan actually Secretary at War, as far as the colonies were ' motion. concerned, for he had the disporal of the whole of the forces ' Mr. S. CRAWFORD would bring on the motion on there. Col. Somerset had received a very flattering test Friday. monied of gratitude from Major-Gen. Smith, the governor of ADJOURNED DEBATE ON MR. KEOGH'S' the Cape • and that was all ho had ever re- MOTION. ee ived ; w hile' such men as Sir H. Bulwer, Mr. On the order of the day being read for resuming the Trevellyan, and Mr. Chadwick, men of great merit dehate on this subject on goner into committee of supply. no doubt, were made C.Bee, and one of them was in Mr. W. FAGAN, in supporting the motion, recapitulated the receipt of 2,5001. a year. (Hear, hear.) Capt. Hogg ; the heads of the statement one charges made by the hon. with his native levies of Hottentote, leyi,d at great private member tor Attloneon Friday night, and contended that the el d i of his own, had beet. mainly instrumental in con right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary had totally fail. a eluding ti e war. This was stated in despatches; he was to meet them, excepting that which declared that the sheriff thanked by Sir IL Pottinger and Sir P. Maitland ; and yet, was eppointed by the crown-the fact being that lie was when he came home to the Hone Guards, he was told there appointed by the judges. As for the charge that 150 per- was neither promotion nor decoration for him. (Hear.) sons, containing four protestant' far one catholic had been Capt. Bissett was thrown aside in the same way ; the reason selected front a list of several hundreds, containing two being that the manner in which that war was originally car sans, for one protestant, the right hon, gentle- ried on was not very convenient for the Horse Guards to re man had not eve n attempted a reply. If the sheriff collect. These men ought at least to be made unattached had selected a panel without reference to the rah. majors, and receive the decoration of C.B. In the Chinese doss op i n ions of those who were on the list, and war the services of Capt. Brereton and Gen. D 'A g uilar had considered only their respectability, there would not been similarly neglected. He knew the Secretaryoat•War now be this contention on the subject, while the people had no power in his case ; but he hoped these remarks wou.d would be more satisfied that justice had been fairly adenines- be listened to in the proper quarter. tend. But he went still farther and maintained that the Mr. F. MAULE said that, so far Its he had seen of the Attorney-General had acted not only l at variance with the Horse Guards, he believed that great fairness was exhibited instructions of Sir lel, O'Loghlen, but at variance also with sa i deir management. In this Kaffir war the first person the principles which ought to govern a public functionary in to be neglected was Colonel Somerset, an intimate con such cases, by setting aside men on account of their political flexion of the person who was said to be all-powerful at the opinions. lie maintained that the Attorney-General had no Horse Guards. (Hear) right to set aside men because they were repealer ; for they Mr. OSBORNE. -1 don't believe he is. I were just as much justified as free subjects in entertaining Mr. MAULE said that any apparent neglect of the o ffi cers I the opinion that the set of union ought amore e reoealed as in the Kaffir war might arise from the whole circumstances others were in believing that it would be beneficial to not yet being taken into consideration. It all events, it am to the country preserve it. If men were to be thus put aside peered t he ne g lect, if neglect there we.e, was not confined on account of their political sentiments, he did rot hesitate to those of low rank. As to Capt. Hogg, he did not hold to say that trial by jury would become nothing more than a the rank which brought him within the scope of the decors. delusion a mockery, and a snare. tions alluded to. On the question of the general manage- Mr. li. GRATTAN likewise supportedthe motion, taking ment of the army he would not enter into details, as it was the same view of the duty of the government officers respect. now under the consideration of a committee. ing the religious and political sentiments of those placed Mr. HUME said thst not one of the reforms in the army upon the lists, from neither of which did he think they recommended by a commission that sat nine years ago had ought to be rejected as jurors. He would advise the govern- been d carried out, although that com binet , mission h , wh made ich c thomir - ment not to irritate the people further. The people were re- prise of the p caad as KENDAL, July 22.—Aciain we had but a thin attend ance : the grain was all sold at the prices offered. Potatoes were plentiful, at 4d. per stone of 141ba. The weather has been very wet during the past week. Averages for the week ending July 22:—Wheat 23 qrs 535. 6d. ; Oats, 51 qrs., 235. • ' , CASTER, NV 22. ...dr Mullet has beta a IRO! ate" brisker. A goo. 5e..., tor Meal, at 28s. 6d. to 295, paw load "" 2401b5. Wheat au,' in good demand at 335. 63, (11 oag a . pa. per load of 2801 b• ' • • . --. over la , t area's n: ,ea. have 1.- • ~ o eing 3i. auva.e- ~... so.. ...OM hew - ...Al UnfliVOUrable weather sintice_r,..7ll3,.co. •.atant . y rains, accompanied with da mage • S . 1 7". _-_ , r ~• which dories siderable damage to tha 1, hes tind wine=hpalvwedsoit_isetionotened tgith the tirm........ Avast deal thing to of hay remains unhoused. If exectsive ~,,,,, has any do with the potato disease, era know not what may be the result. There were upwards of of 53 cart loads in the market to-day, nearly all of which we examined, end made inquiries as to their soundness ; and the almost universal d,claration was, that they are sound, and a heavy crop: prices to-day 4d. per stone of 14Ibs. LEICEiTER, July 22.-Odr market brisk. Wheat, Is. to 2s. higher. Barley, Oats, and Beans without alteration. Wheat. 49s to 52a. Barley, 304. to 335. Beans, 38s. to 32e. 1 Oats, 24.. to 28s. Flour, tine, 37r.; seconds, 355.; thirds, 335. per sack. Mal.rOsr, July 22.-We have a fair supply of Wheat, hat a bet of Oats. Wheat in good demand, at rather over the rates of last week. In Oats we make n o alteration. wham, w hit,,,j2s to ...Bs. per 40 stone ; red, 503. to 555. Oats, 9ld. to 101 per stone. , NORTHAMPTON, July 22.-We have had a small show of Wheat at market to-day. A good sale, at 24. to 34. more money. Barley as last week. Oats and Beans in request, at former prim*. '22.-In the earl) part of the week the P a estum, July I trade ass languid, hut since Thursday w e have had more I doing, and the weather in the use intime h av ing been unset - tied, higher rat e- were required. We had rather m ore Wheat at our Corn.exchange to-day than last week ; farmers held fur a conside rable advance, which was not general:y complied with ; but we aave to note a fair sale, at an amend ment of 61. per veinal', and Irish would have readily com manded a similar advance. Flour, 6d, to Is. per sack de note Oats Oats are more inqui red for, and, stocks being.light, w them Id. er burhel !...!;:tir. We have likewite experienced a more ge n eral consumptive demand for Oatmeal, at an im provement is value of 61. per load. Indian Corn Meal, 63. to Is. pa rre dearer. ther ar.icles bS bere. The wea- nba thel w hole, to le rably fine duringlo the day, but ther, upo showery this evening. The average price of Wheat this week is 51s. 10.1. per imp. qr. RICHMOND (Yoattanint:), July 22.-We had a very thin supply of grain ; the prices much the same as last 3d. 3 week. Wheat sold from 6 s 6 d. t o 7s. 6,1. Oats, 2.. 7d. to .. Barley, 3s. 9d. to 4s. ad. Beans, 4s. 6d. to 4,. 93. per bush. Saucwsnear, July 22.-We hail a small attendance, and little doing; the trade closed as follows: Wheat, Os. , - )d. to 61. 93. Oats, 21. 103. to 3,. 6d. per imperial bushel. h eat. rtt, July 22.-We are moderately supplied with Wheat. The trade is firm, and all lust qualities may he called Is. per qr. dearer. A parcel or two of Barley at mat ket, which sold at about former prices. In Beans and Peas not mu. h doing, and without alteration in value. Oats rather cheap.r. Wheat, white, 484. to 500.; red, 441. to 475. Barley, 275. to 28s. Beaus, 345. to 363. Pear, 3 ir. to 333. Oats, 225. to 265. per qr. HAMIWRO, July 20.-Wheat: Ault. Magri. red, 110 118 ; white, 112 122; Marks. and Brunswick, 110 118; Meek. and Pom., 106 120 • Holstein, 10 3 113 ; Lowct Elbe, 100 110. Rye : Anh alt and Maga., 54 64 ; Marks.,_ Meek., and Pons. • 60 67. Barley: An halt and Magri., 60 65; Hill. stein and 'Meek .58 66. Oats: Meek. and Holstein, 40 43 Lower Elbe 36 40. HOPS.—Banng.—The hope ate still in a vowing state, but the boisterous winds itemized eomc of t ry principal bines, atthough not to be very injurious. In sonic gds troy are fast coining into bml. They are perfectly clean, soil bid fair at present crop.-- (except in the event of any particular alteration) fur a good Barna AND BassovThe hop plantations are certainly locrklag well and growing. These cold winds will niter a cheek on them fur a short time—BeltßA..—The bop bine continues to flourish, unchecked by vermin or disease. The lateral shoots are rapidly tilling the alleys. Burr is fast appearing. The prospects of &crop are unitoubt edly good.—" They wont be worth picking ; they won't pay more than the expensas of picking and drying and the duty," are the niontaful anticipations of the pianters. Strange anomaly, that that abundance which every one eouggies to obtain, snould be by every one deemed a curse rather than a binning.- —11111G.111.1....—The bine is progress ing as of late in this and the adjoining parish, except in a few gardens, where they are getting slightly yellow, as if becoming a little are. blasted. We have same forward gardens coming into burr very nicely. The hops are, for the meet part, very clean, and healthy in appear. the se pa Barfly, Salmeareoea, AN. WVITIIKLO. —MC nape in these parishes are Woking Weiland ; mod, unless they ore torn by violent storms, there must be good crops on the best lands when they are well poled. When hissing from an emin ence, they appear of a lively green, and the pike well load Wiled a rt h bine. -- CANIFEItIII RV. The continued heav y gales, day er day, battered the young hint. of the hop plant to such an extent that very little progresa has been made in the past week. The last few days have produced an unhealthiness in the plant, by causing it to lore sap, and a curling of the large leaves, which, iiritead of expand ing, are contracting, a sure sign that Bo plant Ls nut healthy.-- EWlll' wi ndair.—T hole have been rather on the stand.still thip week. These cold nds will somewhat retard their growing for O few days. --Canstime—l bow are Mill lookine well. :tad is av , grounds improring, but, in very 'gnawed situation., the high winds of the List few days hive somewhat checked their growth. The general opinion here is that we shall grow quite our share of the amount of duty quoted by you last week, viz., 29004. —1(6.1411.1{61i 4.—The hop bine in this neighbourhood aloes not look quite so thriving as it did a weeo r bent tn days ago aveie.s.o.. Some grounds, winch are alight of bine, have ree k 1M —The late high winds have injured the hope cowl lerably in high situations, and they do not present so go el an aptaearance as they base dine. The bine appears to Da getting rather yellsw in some of the gardens and an opinion prevails that they air rather going back. Newt, a.— Our hope in this parish a n t vine on exceed ingly well, and with fine weather we mud have a heavy crops. The burr is fast making its appearance.—Nourin As. —The hope are now advancing into burr, and continue to grow, but not with that healthy luxuriance which so particularly marked their pro gress up to midsummer. The changeableness of the w,atlier ' , Semi materially to affect them, and many grounds which did promise fair are now become sickly and Tellow, and wi ll ll be likely to praduce only top crop. —Nzeivinco.—Bs e cannot say are is much improvement t his week in our boar; some of the bine is looking rather yellow, and the leaves have rather a worse appearance. Rye. The hop plantatiseus aro still linking well, but t hey require more genial weather. Owing to the rout nights, they do not freely c =coat in burr. There are, as usug t a h l, at a • ariety of opinions respecting he growth; ,o/Ille contendin they will never realise 210,0001., while others are sanruine for a much higher duty.—fistrationi.—The state of the hop grounds is about the same as lest week. There is n gradual improvement in the best gardens but in many instances the nines arc not progressing There will be a considerable quantity of sock bisie.—liiSeh , ar WiLThe norm in this neighbourhood continue to I ink retook • ably well; the bine is in candid c minion, and everything pnimiers a very large duty.—tiessez Adrertiver. --.-- HAY .--SmITHFIELD, Two o' Clock .—M ears. Cooper and Davis report the following quotations: Primo Mus.losr 70.. to 01.. I to -k I New Clover to, too. Infernr toad 0en+....t3 .tolOus ntr.t.r.. Y 7.. to teen or fourteen recommendations ; amongst others, that the horse-guards should be placed on the same footing f Was the navy. Thu bad been the case, although the Duke oel linnton, the soldier's friend, fluted the office of Commander in.Chief. One great defect of our system was that there were no rewards for civilians for distinguished services. He understood the committee on the er imates had refused to make any recommendation as to the army ; the duty would, therefore, devolve on the government of carrying out the reforms so long needed. lie entirely differed with the Secretary-at-War in thinking that rank was of little conse quence to military men. Mr. OSBORNE said that Capt. Ilogg's ineligibility to decoration mighteasily have been removed by making hem a major. In the case of Major l'earson, atthoagh a major, ro decoration was given. lie was far from wishing to imply that Lord Fitzroy Somerset was all•powerful at the horse guards. The case of the men he had alluded to was one of very great hardship. In answer to Mr. CnanvEnts , Mr. F. MAULE said that non-commiesione rooms d officers and their wives were not plated in the same with private soldiers. With respect t o married soldiers, an erringetn was in progress by which they would be enabled to provi . .e themselves lodgings out of the barracks. Mr. OSBORNE complained of the use of shell jackets on march, and criticised other points of regimental costume. Nothing could be worse conducted than the whole of the clothing department. Tie drum of the officen of the line see med adapted for no other purpose than to render them as frightful 111 , possible. Mr. F. MAULE said the object of all the late alterat , ens had been economy. In the Kaffir war, the officer, finding that the distinction of a blue coat, while the soldir n wore red, rendered them a mark to the enemy, laid the coats aside, and adopted red jackets the same as those of the eel. diem. This was also found to be a matter of convenience ; and now the blue coats were laid aside. Mr. HUME asked who was the mastertailor (Laughter.) If it was not the duty of the Secretary at War to att,nd to these matters, to venom did that duty belong ? If there was no one responsible for it, changes might succeed each other without end. Mr. F. MAULE said the changes were made after being well considered by the Cumrnanderin chief, and submitted by him to a hoard of g neral officers. Mr. OSBORNE said he had reason to believe that these alterations generally emanste.l from some clothier, who pos sessed the ear of some general officer. He had no doubt, so uncomfortable were the ehell-jackets, that before six months were over, there would be another general order on the subject. Col. DUNNE complained of the rank given to she cap tains of the guards as lieutenant.colonels; they furnished about oneth elf of the whole number. An officer of the line could rarely attain the rank of lieut.-colonel under 20 or 30 years, and after serving in every part of the world, which the officers of the guards were not required to do. The system that was puvued in giving more speedy premotion to the guards than to the officers of the line, dis was mat t un just. lie had no feel in g a g ainst the guards, or to th tinction between the guards and the line, but he thought the fairest plan to pursue would be to promote the most de serving officers of the line to the guards. (Hear, hear.) Mr. F. MAULE said that the question to which the hon. and gallant gentleman referred, would come before the com mittee of inquiry. lie was of opinion that the guards should be permanently fixed in Landon. Col. LINDSAY said that d u ring 32 years there were only three instances of officers of the guards exchanging to regiments of the line. Mr. OSBORNE said that the commands of stations were given to guardsmen. He had no objection to the guards, and he believed if they were to have • monarchy, that it would be necessary to have guards. He denied that they were peculiarly fit for London service. The only remelt why captains in the guards were lieut.-colonels was, that it was considered advisable to have those about the court general efficen. It was unjust to the officers of the line that they should he promoted for such a reason eneral officers Col. ANSON said tha t the average age of g in the guards was about GO, which was as high as in the line. With regard to the fitness of the guards for London duty, he did not say that other troops were not able to per form that duty, but he believed no one would deny that the guards perforated their duty efficiently, and that the line were but too happy when they found themselves brigaded by the guards. Col. DUNNE did not assert any superiority for the line, and he would not admit any inferiority. He believed that no Irishmen were admitted into the guards. Cul. LINDSAY said that he knew one regiment in which there ware some Irishmen. Bet there was certainly an in disposition to take Irishmen or Scotchmen into the guard., because the corps of guards was distinctively national. Mr. OSBORNE said that with respect to the nationality of The W , moat ch, of the 42nd Highlanders, called The Blaat" who fought at Waterloo, were Irsh men. (Lauehter.) Sir 1). L EVANS complained that no mark ocrecognition hod been given to Gen. D'Aguilar and Col. Brereton fur their distinguished services in the Canton war. I oril PALMERSTON bore testimony to the skill, energy, and ability, displayed by the officers in question, which had been followed by results so be..e ficial to the commercial inte rests of this country. (Hear.) Mr HUME, before the vote was passed, wished to con gratulate the htusu ors the staters( discipline which existed in the army, notwithstanding the disuse of corporal punish ment. (Hear.) That was extremely satisfactory to those who advocated its abolition. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the amount of the vote, he considered there was great room for reduction. They were not row likely to be invaded, so that he thought the number of men could be reduced. lathe years 1834,1835, and 1836, the average number of men in the army was 86,500. It was now 113,000. In addition to this number there were 15,000 invalids enrolled. There were yeomanry and militia and a police force of 23,000. In Lon don thete were 5,338 policemen ; in the boroughs of Eng land there were 4,400 ; in the counties, 2,509 ; and in Ire land there were 10,639. He was greatly surprised at the increase in the police force. The number of men in the navy was now 43,000 instead of 27,000: in the ordnance, 13,000 instead of 8,900. Without including the artillery, nthe believe countryd there were now enough no less th 236,000 any country. He should n ove that the vote be reduced by 445,0001., though he did not mean to divide the house upon it. Mr. F. MAULE said he would not enter into the details which had been uentioned by the hon. member, as the sub ject vould come before t he committee of iequiry ; but he would ask whether there was anything in the state of Europe or in the state of t heir own country (hear, hear) which would justify them in reducing the army now ? (Hear, Th army was rot more than they ought to hare, and he only trusted in Providence eta might be found suffi cient. (Hear, hear.) Mr. OSBORNE said that he had brought a plan before the bekse by which 2,000,0001. of money might be saved without reducing the army by a single man, but it bad been disregarded. The great question which the people of t his country had no V to decide was, how they were to pay all these forces. The i :crease of the police force in the metro polis might be accounted for by the number of new streets which are added every year to the metropolis. Mr. 141:11E'S amendment was then negatived without a division, and the vote agreed to. On 168,2371., for the expenses of the general staff officers and the garrison officers of the Tower of London being moved, Mr. HUME thought th_t great reduction mightbe effected in this item. Mr. OSBORNE objected to having two general officers, one commanding the army and the other the ordnance. One person was suthei , nt to perform the duties of Commander of the Forces and MasterGeeeral of the Ordnance. Then there was 900/. a year for the Duke of Wellington as Gover nor of the Tower. lie would knock off 1,000/. a year from the Governor of the Tower. Then there was the Tower Major. No person could say who be was. Then there was the chaplain, the physician —although there were the army surgeons—and the apothecary to the Tower, who had 101. a year. (Laughter.) Then there was the gentleman porter with SO!. a year—Daughter) ; and the gentleman gaoler with 601. (Laughter.) Then there were 40 yeomen warders, as ii there were no troops. lie would try to do away with the whole thing, and move that the vote be reduced 3,9111. Is. Bd. Mr. F. MAULE, said the whole of the Tower establish ment had been under a review of a committee of that house, and they let it stand as it was. lie should be the last man to vote urder any circumstances to deprive of a place of honour that noble and gallant officer who did no much ser vice for hie country. (Hear.) Mr. OSBORNE said the hon. gentleman tried to rid* off up-to the Duke of Wellington. lie would say nothing fa disparagement of that illustrious individual ; but as the right hon. gentleman made reference to his s ervices, he I (Hear would sa in reply t co hat the untry had ampl rep rathfiaid them. I hear.) lie had two regiments, and Syteldsaye, and other things. Col. LINDSAY said that the gentleman gaoler and the gent l ema n warder were not appointed by the governtuationsment. They were non-commissio ned o ffi cers, and the Fi were given them as something better than retiring pensions. Mr. OSBORNE protested against debasing noncommis sioned officers by railing men who had served their country gentlemen porters and gentlemen gaoler.. If they served thi it country let them get suitable pensions. The country would not object to that. But let them nut be paid by being made gentlemen porters and gentlemen gaoler'. (Hear.) lie would divide the house. Atter a few words [ram Mr. Home and Major BLACICALL, The committee divided—For the amendment 21 Against it ...... 69-48 The vote was accordingly paned. On the next vote, 96,59 01. for the charges and expenses of the public departments, Mr. B. OSBORNE said this charge was lumped together in a most extraordinary way. lie regretted to find fault in a matter affecting an office so well filled as that of the Judge Advocate General was at the present time, but for the life of him he could net understand what the use of that office was. It was an office usually given to a barrister who could get no briefs, and he really thought many a briefieas barrister could be got to fill the post for one fourth the cost. lie hoped, therefore, that his friends would support him in a motion that the elpence of the Judge Advocate General de partment be reduced 3,0001. per annum. (Oh.) The JUDGE ADVOCATE.GENERAL thought it really surprising that the gallant gentleman who had himself served, should not know better than to depreciate the office which he had the honour to hold. The duty of the Judge A tvocate was to examine and report upon all the courts martial which were held in the army, and they amounted to nearly 60,000 per annum. Besides this, constant and continual references were made to the Judge Advocate by the Horse Guards on points of great delicacy and difficulty. lie said nothing as to the salary of the Judge Advocate—that was a point upon which he hoped be should not be asked to ;give any opinion. This, however, he begged to remark, that of late years not only had the duties of the office been much sever!! detail e r e jut i t . u t r h e e i duties this a : toil increased, but the occupant ( ....c. l e th nererpo e :ea o ie: ffi .. ce had been depri ve d - o d t ee a e g le re in a g t a e m h o t u h e e t o o th t e o e ffi . c e i h a d l au he is th tan ee u gh . t O he n s a h n e o e th ld er he occ etivi he should be happy to wth as e e n rh t e e e r : t to th ß is c,, o u fli l ce d s i y one fro y mh ea i i e s : ag p o, de ve nbc as eeh b: ad a utid i - show siii. toymt bthr t .a h ekt a ,p t .baeo t y h t h.m e ceoo o z ffi Ntg c ohN e Mr. HUME, having been one of the .) d d e u Pu ties tm ort . he Judge Advocate Gen h e f co r i. al t m hine m t w ej i e n t u r te td ei gne o e f .t e az i er d a d e g ye t iowe i n the . l :7, arduous. The present Judge Advocate bad sat for se m'! " weeks upon an inquiry respecting f t o h u o ll u dr st . te aßgres. h ° o St th r3d° o e u allt g :C h t* t Ed a o'a ll id t ( h Li e tauu d gas u h ti ttn e o s r; might be performed by leis deputy. Vote agreed to, as were the following : 19,1611. for the I 'thetas a of the Itoy.el Military Asylum,de ' 80,309/. for the e epee's,' of the volunteer corps 15,507/., for allowance , and rewards for milit iry services, 20,0.101. further vote for the pay of general cafe, re. Mr. 1112 ME re mark' d on this vote that he th ought th e n umber of primula metre to. large. Mr. B. OSBORNE said the way general officers were paid was perfectly disgraceful. They a'esolutely made w e e ,i, - h w a as d :7tio d ui . ical -'l t at e money out of the seed. gs of the re gimental clothing, their -- ot them, as fur instance, the Marquis of Londonderry, B se said the Lhis y, q . ue d at t i ha on t doubt, lost money by the system , hut the asst m hee If - what he complained of. It was no use, however, to talk apes was this aubject to the Reese of Commons. Few memberski anything *bone the army, and still fewer cared about it. " twenty times, ano it had never been found that any better syst-in than the present could be adopted. It eir , s aey th i :t r ite . o F r . k M ed A w U el L i ß tor the country. Mr. H U ME said amajority of the house had, after inquiry, agreed to the continuance of t he existing system. and he, therefore, was not pr e pared to raise a eli•cusdup on the on subject. At the •eme time , he did not a pp rove of the system. Mr. F. MAULE said it was impossible for any ghee officers to mike money unfairly b y the existing se stem. eal Sir W. CLAY thoogot the system very olneetiouble . Mr. B. OSBORNE said if the army clothiers were ex. ant'ned before a committee, they would trove that many general officers made from 8001 to 1,000/. a year by r e d. mental clothing. They were making their general ethins army clothien, nothing el . e. 57,0001. for charge of full pay of retired offioers. 6,0001. (in part), for charge of half-pay and allowances of retired officers. 47,3861. for charge of half-pay and reduced allowances of officers of disbanded foreign corpe, &a. 29,5301. (in part) for charge of pension' of widows, fea 38 0001. (in part) for charge of allowances on comp...Weems list, &c. 26,7741. for charge of Chelsea and liihntinham holpisla 223,8101. (in part) for charge of out pensioners of Chelsea hospital, &c. 37,5001. for superannuation allowances, &c. These resolutions were ordered to be „-ported to the homes to.morrow (this day), aid The house then resumed. INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion for the third re eding of this bill, Sir L. O'BRIEN observed that, as be had opposed this bill when first introduced, he wished to say that he hoped the amendments made to it would be favourably considered in another place. He should not press his opposition farther. Col. DUNNE expressed his entire divent liom the bill, which he still thought calculated to do great injary to Ireland. On the question that the hill do pass, The SOLICITORGENERAL moved the insertion of a clause providing that notice of sale should be given in all cases to remainder men i a personal notice wherever possible, or in other cues an equivalent notice. The clause was inserted. Mr. MONSELL (in the absence of Mr. Bouverie) moved the insertion of tb • yellowing clause: to the further or additional duty (of equal amount well tier duty oat single deed ore by any wt ether eaproo.ly or by re (rioter made eharemble • and that, in lieu of all other stamp duty whoMever :ex. ceps the pr4resnive duty), there shall be chargeable , on all unarms under tht• act cm which the purchase se consider:Mem money therm or thereupon tames . ..ea plain not amount 0 2,Ureof., an ad raiaros duty of Ga. for every 5431. of such numb.: or coesater.ition moms and the like sign for any emalter or fractional part of :.of. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that, And be it enacted, that no illAlll owe under this act Mall be subject Maw, or bargain and sale for a year), with s hien comer:laces do from fiscal considerations, he must on principle object to the introduction of the provision. Mr. MONSELL supported the clause as calculated to en. courage that wnich was gencmhy admittea to be a point of great importence, the sale of estates in small pillions. ale. B. OSBORNE also supported the provision. The alleviation of the stamp duties in Ireland was most essential to the material itIIeTtIIIII of that country. The Earl of LINCOLN hoped the hon. gentleman would ' not divide the house on this motion, because in no doiox he 1 might imperil the success of the measure itself; and, still ' more, prejudice the satisfactory revision, which he hoped would be at are early period, of the whole system of stamp duties on the transfer of landed property in Ireland. (lime hear.) There was no question but that this measure must he followed up by MOM, tending ire this and in other prune lam to ameliorate the social condition of the sister country. air. HUME said it was quite clear that it the goverment wished the bill to be of use in Ireland they would lateen the suggestion of the hon. member. What was wanted is ir Ireland was tl-te means of affording employment to the bourers, and that could only be done by facilitating the transfer of land. Mr. GOULBURN expreesed a hope that the hon. member would not persist in leis amendment, as if aereci to it wink tend to render incurnences more numerous. lOttl A revision of the stamp duties on the transfer of land ma much required, and tee was sure the Chanceller of the cm- In chequer would do right to take that subject in to serious e ideration. Mr. EWART was of opinion that the whole of the nine duties on the transfer of land both in England am Inked o to ught be revised. Mr. HENLEY thought that by making one oneraioa the government had drawn down upon thentvelves the vie sent one for a remission of the stamp duties ill Ireland. 'He 1 , must oppose the amendment. After a few words from Mr. DUVMMOND and Sir A. Bnoong, The house divided.—For the clse .......... 55 Against it a .u............. 114-9 The clause was consequently lost. Sir L. O'BRIEN moved two clauses as riders to the bell the hint to prevent selling more of an estate than Wed nem nary to clear off the incumbrances ; the second to prevent th family mansion from being sold until the malting ova of the estate had been found insufficienttoredee cmtheli mime* The SOLICITOR - GENE RAL opposed vie mes, n the ground that they would operate injuriously on de general effect of the bill. Sir J. WALSH supported the clauses,which he contendia injurious oorraoein of* would in seine degree correct the , bill. He hail no desire to prevent the sale of heavily wear bested estates in Ireland, but he was most desirous to fee vent small encumbrancer , or tenants for life forcing roper! into the market unnecessarily at a time when it molder! be sold at a ruinous price. Col. D CNN E also supported the clauses sfter few words from Mr. GROGAN, were negatived.which, I The bill was then puled. PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND, No. 2) BILL. The house having gone into committee on this WI, lir. GOULBURN havin remar u the predict ee nuking advanems to 'lreland oat of ked the pon console laud fum, said that the advance made in 1617 we' e ) be paid in a certain number of iasta ecllments. In object of the bill was to repay out of t usiedina fund the sum of 1,000,0001., which would °thereat' te, helm. available for the general resources of the empire. li , ted fiato. was to pay the money, itshould go intothe cousolide . , and the sum necessary far Ireland be voted natal that hce.. But if the government meant to relieve Irsltnelsy so Idtagf.tT . from the payment of this sum, they ought to i. - :. ought to declare at once that it could not be levied wanes: impoverishing the Irish population and then elk lieT: m e et for the amount, distinctly ; tot i n g what inseleewets public works to which it was to be applied, leaving the matter in the hands of the TressitresT; power to continue those works which had already row . useless and unproductive. • M r . HUDSON protested altogether agaiast the Pow of the bill. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER aid ttg the object of thls bill was simply to enable the lits 7 through tree Board of Works, to lend money to the ga , .. juries on presentment for the purpose of co mpleting :: ,' works as the grand juries might think proper—the ra, be carried on under their own euperintenilence. ," government did not intend to letroduce the * chinery of the Board of Works, or otl ol 2, interfere with the mode of outlay, but leaves fataler"; t o the conties theselves. At present he d n would lie advisable m for this country to call en Della OL P . p a yment ; but the governm ent would do so tkemogina.7.; saw that Ireland was in a sufficiently prosperow pan'''. respood to the call. Mr. CARL/WELL took the same view of the earan . ft! the right hon. gent l ema n, the member for the Univere!„ Cambridge—hoping the house would not depart h'o o , ; . ordinary mode of expending m one y drawn Ma the Ls . selidated Fund. Dr. BOW RING regretted that parliament had , City against these loans to Ireland being converted into f•'; ' either by that country's inability or unwillingness terit He complained, too, of the unsatisfactory rater , of '.d counts of the Board of Works . Indeed, the whole sesa,, Irish expenditure demanded a searching then whole from the Treasury downwards there seemed t o in be t aa l; helplessness to protect the revenue. The evil was 0 and ought to he put an end to. Major BLACKALL sai d that it would be found tb g II . loans which were given to Ireland were as fairly f a s c ia. 7. as any given to this country. The hon. member namely he thought would see that his objection to 01:47; , that the object fee which the loan was i Ta l l not stated, was met by the bill which specified the, the loan. The house should pause before it reg its sanction to a bill which would prove a very mat.:::,-,, Ireland, as it would give employment token, re of the starving populitkese f the fi .t. Mr. S IAk'FORD said that the Chancellor o ~ so chequer had mixed the question of the poor 1an .. ...w n 1e0. question. The poor law had no bearing on the nEf.o.d ever. lie held in his hand a petition from t!1 5. e . .. 0 le Clare, protesting against this bill, signed hi . ..! ~,,,e ew spectable gentlemen in that county. As for nia _ye stituents, he believed that, if he did not make a° It, b , to the bill, so easily was million after million ii 161st a land, none of them would have known anvilnee.f7o It was not by voting million after millioit.tefoo would do anything for the benefit of tlr . o .`" glir it was by teaching the people self. reliance. Be f'i ? ?