The Express. — London, England, 1848-05-09 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY IMPERIAL PARLIAbIEN't, HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAY, MAY 8. The LORD Caewonewa took his mat at 6 o'elock. PUBLIC ll 00111111ITIESO—lidemisity ; Encumbered Netatee (behind) ; PIIITIONA.—By the Vart of tlerrotx, from Llvetweeli Men . Obeiter• Cheilea. awl ether p er; Lard Campeau, from plum In party, Forfar, Lend" Donee ems erdoei . 1 11 14 Penh. 14 ° 4un g -hili. Ades, waling, Ckithmt, Bresder. Ildt Kersingon. Fee row, Woodstock, mid ether Owes ; Wed Ma& from Ohms In Illefiifliehire • the Duke et Cu, anus re from th i s: r u n e:l of Durlaant tbe railer as LOLINIOS, from Norwich, &to" the 8 of Glasgow, Delved , " Kirealdr, rift sag other *roe; Meorraigat• and Dori BILAVNIONT, 6'OlM several plasm, net heard; the Bishop of se. Davie's, from professore and stedeiste of the Collet of Lampettr ; Igard lilaaAlla, from several gas sot heard—ad favour of the Jewish Disabilities Bill—Petit lee against the bill were presented by elke Duke of trucetzurn. from leillaugh end Annan; and ta p e by ot wiwerilerea, from several orates • sot beard.—The Sart &us- VON, bow Glasgow, as the satilsot of the Navigation Laws. JEWISH DISABILITIES BILL. In Tey to a question fr o m Lent STAN LaT, The Marquis of LANSDOWNE filed the second reading of this bill for Thursday the 25th inst., with the under standing that it would definitively come on. LAW RSFORM. Lord BROUGHAM withdrew his notice o f fi c e for the f motion on this subject for the 16 t h, and gave a fresh 12th inst. Lord CAMPBELL hoped to proceed with the Cr iminal Law Administration Bill oat the 12th inst. • PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGSadingL BIL. this Lord STANLEY postponed the second re of keit to this day week. AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. Lord STANLEY said ho must detain their lordships for a abort time whilst he referred to th e subject of had dismission laid on F r id a y night last. Her Majesty' ministers since w on the tsble of their lordshim' reference to Spain. Ile had sin intention of submitting a motion on the subject, but, Leaving perusal that correspondence, he could not refrain from stating the i m pression which it bait produced on ave his mind. Tne noble margins (Lansdowne) s r seen labouring under a singular error the other nay in &Uri instins the pub:tratioo of the letter trom ,he Secret of Foreign Affairs to Mr. Bulwer to a French newspam wi nd -in stating that he did not know how that paper got hold of We document, a most important part of which it had sup pressed. Now, it appeared from the statement of that sews. ! paper itself that the first time it got into its columns was on the 2.lth of April ; whilst the Duke of Sotomayor had complained of its appeari, king in a Spanish paper en the 10th of that month. Upon link i ng at the letter itself, as it was emer printeddie thought it had not been mutilated. The COMMunication of the noble viecount (Palmerston), which remmenced the correspondence, began by saying, ' I have t o instruct you to recommend earnestly to the Tante flo. ternment, and ta the Queen-Moth r, if you shou d have an opportunity of doieg so, the adoption of • legit' and consti eltional course," &c. Now, 'it appeared to him, inasmuch es Mr. Bulwer could easily have an opportunity of cornmu : ricating to the Spanish government the noble viwount's despatch, hut might not be able to do so to the Queen other, that the words "if you should have an opportu nity of doing an " spniied exclusively to the latter, and lied to reference to the Spanish government. (Hear, tear.) It appeared to him by this correepoadence, first of all, that there was a great difference of opinion between the British moister in Spain, and the Secretary for Foreign Again in this country; and seconely, that there was a still wider difference between the sentiments nohle eiwount and his colleagues. The reply of the Ouke of Sotomayor silted that he did not undentatid what he letter meant by recomu.ending the adoption of a legal cud constitutional count, because at the time it was written au Imelda had not taken place, and the Spanish ministers were following a strictly constitutional mode of government. What was the answer of Mr. Bulwer ? He admitted the justice of the observation; he acknowledged that the com munication of the noble viscount was made before the go vernmeat had taken any step of an whiner, character, but said it was intended to refer to a state of things which might erne. The noble viscount, however, hid not said d anything about a state of t hin g s which might arise ; he . given his Meruction with reference to the actual, and not lho future, state of things. Mr. Bulwer was, however, Obliged to admit to the Duke of Sotomayor that his snt• sent was good; that the noble viecount had no mason for doing what be had done at the time at which he did it; tea the opportunity had arisen, and he availed himself of it. But a more important fact wee disclosed, and one wc their lordships and the country would require to bare af hi full esidanation of. He meant the different view taken by members of tile government on this subject. (Hear, hear.) He had mistaken the noble marquis the other night if he did oot 111 , %t the whole of bit case on this fact: that the later of Lord Palmerton was a private letter to the British minister at and ought not to have been shown; and hr stated explicitly that he lamented the mune which Mr. Bulwer Ind adopted. The leading minister in tee House of Lends, stated that le " lamented" the course pursued by a minister of the crown, and, by so saying, he meant that such conduct was not justifiable, and he vir tually passed his censure upon it. (Hear, hear.) He (Lord Stanley) expressed a doubt whether that letter had ever beets seen by the noble marquis (Lensdownel or the noble to it, earl (Grey). Why. at the time the stable marquis referred was about on Friday night, he was not ongnisant of what he to lay on their lordship" table ; he was not aware th that the British minister in Spain had, upon the fa of docu ments now before them lordships, received the entire and coial approval of Lord Palmerston. The letter from Mr. Henri Lytton Bulwer w as dated April the 7th, and there was another of the .1 Ith of the same month. On the 19th. end also on the 20th. the noble viscount (Pelmenton) had written to Mr. Bulwer, and in both despatcees approved of his conduct. In one he s ai d " Her bjests government likewise approv ed of e otwhic you ad dressed on the 7th icstant to the Spanish Minister fur Foreign Affairs." N ow, be would leave it to the noble marquis to explain that extraordinary fact. 'Hear, hear.) The letter of the 11th, from Mr. Bulgier, enclosed also the despatch from the Doke of Setemayor ; and the answer again of Viscount Palmerston to th was most extraordinary production. Ile said, "1 have received your despatches," and not " I approve of the course y itehaveladopted; but " I have to instruct you to state to the Duke of Sotomayor that her Majesty'the s go vernment entirely approve of your 7th instant, and of your note of the 12th instant ;" and thereby ,e took upon himself to throw upon her Majesty's govern ment the whole responsibility of the language, tone, end manner of the correspondence. Ile tookment a cours ine which he involved her Majesty's gover kte entire responsibility of a most offensive proceeding. list, in his attempt to place the correspondence on a more emimble toning, he exhibited a degree of Christian forbear ance which would have been creditable in a private indivi dual, but which was quite inconsistent with the representa tive of a great power. (Hear, hear.) What did he say ? flavieg his dispatches returned in a manner which one gen tleman would not tolerate from another, he said " Go and till the Duke of Sotom a y or that I entirely approve of the course you Nava adopted , but her Majesty's government are cwt et all offended." Thus / 4xpond yourself to insult, you got a kick, and then to say that you entirely approved of the course which in duced ir, and tell the person et the same time that you Vitt* not the least and offen ludicrous ded with Lim. (Liughter.) It was a most absurd answer to es imprudent a step as he ever heard of. The iieble viscount went on to conclude the correspondence by reminding the Minister for Foreign Affair!, whom he was addressing, that in certain circumstances, mi kes Great Britain had interfered, he (that foreign suinistcr), instead of being the minister of his sovereign, v:ould Lava been a proscried exile on a threaten shore. This seeded no comment. He b er ished he could see a satisfactory ' , sue to wok aeon, spaneence. But he thought he should be ermsed for calling attention to the suteect—(bear, hear) — end alioee all, that house and the country had a right to I.rsoW whether the conduct of Mr. Bulwer, in taking the s.ttp • hich lie had adopted, was considered by the govern ,:nut to be imprudent, if rot indiferoible ; and whether the ,able viscount the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had not 4-lien upon hi:tacit, in the name of the government, to say that it was a pneeeding which hcd their entire approval. (Hear, hear.) The Marron of LANSDOWNE, who spoke in slow tone, Red was most indistinctly heard, was understood to say, that it was intended Mr. Bulwer should exercise his own discre tion on the subject lie did nut believe he had communica led th e Duke deep to Duke of S atch a Spanish n ewspaper before it was known e th etenneyor. re gretted that it had been made to that distingui•hld individual ; but Mr. Bulwer, from his great knowledge of the affairs of Spain, , s e , 0. have had reasons for making the communication of had an i- e perative character. A s to the approbation which beet, eignified of Mr. Ili.laer's conduct. it was necessary latherexpiese spa latter or disapptoval of it; and if the latter CO,ITit had boon adopted he must have been recalled. That was ClUffie the g overnmect were rr.t prepared to became they did not think it desirable to make this re e subject of to eminent quarrei. Thee: die not, how , .cr, th ink fit to give a. species ni triumph to the Duke of Sotomayor after the Linguae° which ho had need, and the answer was accordingly milt to Mr. Bulwer to be communicated to the Spanish oeinister. From what had einee taken place he knew that all unpleasant feeling between the parties had been re moved. (Hear, hear.) Toe noble lord had said that the I cemmunication was made at a period when arbitrary measures Lad not been taken ; but it was iotended to leave the matter to Mr. 13ulwer's discretion, with a view to p Trevenheret the a doption of such measures. ( lieu, hear.) must lave been samething to lead eit noble friend to suppose that the affairs of Spain would take the tonne which he was P.lliollll to prevent, and therefore he was justified in the advice which he tenderce. That advice was given in a epirit of goeie ill to the peace of tri Spanish g overnmrnt, and from an 1,10(ious desire that the o country and the strength of the government might be maintained; not from a v.ieh to interfere in the affairs of Spain in any other tense Ilion to promote the prosperity of that ceuntry. It was a &Dui co of satisfaction to him t i consider that an amicable • feeling had been restored ; Mr. Bulwee'v recall had not been demanded ; and therelore he trusted their lordships wou . el not think it net - wary to !Clive a eant respect to the merits of the p r oceeding. 'Hew.) roversy with The Earl of ABERDEEN did not think much &serra tion necessary on the explanation of the noble marquis. lie die not, however, seem entirely to mew in the course which Lad been adopted. kie admitted cite him that it would I.ave been most un j ust to have abandoned Mr. Bulwer, he t e lie had certainly [tetra onerdivg to the spirit of the instructions which he bad received. (Hear. - hear.) He was a most able servant of the crown, and he had no doubt Oen Mr. Butner knew perfectly well what he was about when he male the cemmunicetion to to the Duke elt pe of Soto- tot ma yor. (Hear, hear.) Ile appeared lave ation of hi! trf cen ftdenee that he should meet with the epe mb • goy. rnment, and when the noble =argue- said it wee lee. hi Lit discretion he curdy could not bay c ri:.ad the contutunieetion very. cerefully. If there had been a comma betw een ofth letter the wade ~gymnasia " "end" lathe opening sentence e it would have removed all doubt as to the pelage " If you shall ham an ther.rtni of doiag stisellthg only to the queen-Mo (Hear, hear.) Mr. Bulwer lad no occasion to seek en opportunity of communicating with the Spanish government —it sou his right to do so ; but he had no right to put himself in communication with the Queen- Mother. (Hear, hear.) That such was Mr. Dews?'" idea was evident from his reply is which he said, " In con formity with your lordship a I nstructions I took the oopor tunity of communicating to the Spanish gaernmes t, ie." It Wan to that it wee not desirable to give an apparent triumph to the Duke of Sotonteyor by witholding an expres sion of approbation from Mr. Bulger. That might do very well after the noble viscount had received the answer of the Spanish tainiatrar, but it 90 happened that the appro. as were expremed before that reply h ad been received. ' (Hear, hear.) lie was anxious te know how the renewal use of friendly feeling bad been brought Meat, beca he regarded the answer of the Spanish minister se a moat serious affair. e had had some experience in matters of that sort, but be g had never before heard of the despatch of a British minister being returned as unfit to be received or re tained. ( Hear, hear.) It was the first time, he thought, that a British minister had been subjected to such an indig nity. (Rear, hear.) If it had not been for the discumion in their lordships' h ou se Mr. Bulwer might have had his approbation in his pocket, but he would have met with the disapprobation of the whole country ; but new it would be seep, if censure was due, that it attached to those who adopted the step which led to such a communication bei hand made. lie fully expected that the suggestion which been thrown out the other night by his noble friend (Lor bed Stanley), as well ea from something which knew to going on at Madrid, :would have been adopt ed. offer l ed ie th o ught there would have beau an explanation by the British government, that they did not in• tend to interfere in the luternal affairs of Spain, and then the offensive communications on both eider would be withdrawn. That would have been the proper °our« ; bu' the whole matter was marked by such frivolity es surprised him; and he was at a tomato know how any noble lord, with the raviy of the mtter before him, could have brought it es s u ch a tterminationa. (Hear.) lie thought Me. Bawer bad left it much better than it Row stood, within so long ni gwoquewinding up. (Hear, hear.) It was quite indispen 'able that some understanding shoude come to with the Spanish government with a view W h e t at rest this most ob jectionable proceeding, for although we had drawn it on our selves, yet we had received such an insult es had never be lie en inflicted on any government before. (lar, hear.) w ould for a moment refer to the language used by the noble The noble eissount who bad been so j ustl y complained of. Wei said : The recent downfall of the King of the French and his family, and I I the expulsion of his minisitfm, ought to Indicate to the Spanish inventr end government the danger to which they expose theinselreis deprouring to govern a Counti7 in a manner opposed to the eend ments and opinions of the nation ; and the catastrophe which has just occurred in trance is indecent to show that even a numerous and well-dbdptined ern, offers only as insufficient defence t the crown, when the system followed be it is not In harmony aith the general system of the muntry. The'Queen of Spats would art wisely In the present critical state of a ff airs if she were to strengthen her mean dee government, by widening the hales on which the men in admiwhom the nistration repose", and in caning to her councils some of the liberal party places conadence. If that meant anything it meant an approbation of the re- If which had take n p lace in France. (Hear, hear.) It was not consistent with good feeling, in a fortnight afterthe the arrival of th at unfortunate prince (the King of Fiench) and his family in this kingdom, to hold him up m a warning to the Spanish government. And it was not true —it could not be said that hi was governing France Ice " a manner opposed to the sentiments and opinion' of the na tion." Tne feeling' of the people were expressed in the only legitimate way in which they could be made known, namely, by a government majority in th his chambers. ' But sup pose this wee so—iuppose the nob le viscount's representation to be correct, and it had te en so stated to G, ner.l Nereus, he might at once hens said, "If the King of the French had allowed his able, upright, and courageous minister to act as I have done, he would still have been on the throne of France." General Narvaez had put down the attempt at revolution by mean' which, unfortunately for himaelf, the King of the French ab stained from using. It was therefore no argument as to what might have been done by firm resistance. (Hear.) lie must also say that the time chosen for giving his advice was most inopportune, it being just after the Spanish go vernment had put down an attempt at insurrection. (Hear.) But objectionable as the communication was it could not have been expected to produce such an answer. (Hear.) Much depended on the feeling existing between the party who made the communication and the individual who re ceived it. Ile should toe;bae had no difficulty in giving advice through Lord Cowley .°e lm:, because of the frii feeliog which existed between them, and this comenunis cation, if it had been made by • friend, might hare been differently received, d but it was offere withouhear.)t the s h a d o w of a hope of its b e ing accepted. (Hear, Suppose that our interference had led to a change M ministry, and that national calemith had followed this change, we should clearly have in such case been reaponsibse to Europe fur those calamities. He denied that the inter ference Ti the government in the recent case was called for by any existing treaty. He considered it the duty of the government of Great Britain to establish • friendly under rending «ith the Spanish government of a clear, straight forward character, and to be no louder influenced in any 110. groe by what should now be the dissipated bugbear of Frew! influence, i IC Lord BROCOMANI expre ss ed his gratificati torus that friendly relations were once more arre ti ed establis between , t hi s cou ntry and Spain , and suggested that the q l beige now over, the less reference there was mode to it the hi tter. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY fully concurred in tbs noble lord's quailicatioe that the misunrientanding between , England and Spain, occasioned by the unwarrautable inter. tercets in Spanish alLiss of our Secretary for Foreign Affairs, was now dissipated. lie felt compelled, neverths less, to denounce the conduct of the noble secretary in meddling as be did wi th ever y thing and everybody, a mania which had involved him in the perfectly natural dislike and distrust of every court of Europe. The Marquis of CLAN ItICARDE contended that it wee unjust to denounce se gratuitous meddling the conduct of his noble friend in directing our minister at Madrid discret tly to give, when occasion should arise, such advice to a friendly government as the noble lord, under the circumstances, deemed it well for that government to have, not dictated, but suggested to it. The only error in the matter was an error of judgment on the part of Mr. Deliver, in the mode of tendering the advice at a peculiarly critical moment. The subject then dropped. and their lordship s then ad- josrn - ed. --- I HOUSE OF CMONS.—oNDA . The Sraanaz too k M M the chair at 4 o'clock. Y, PRIVATE BUSINESS. THIRD READINGB.—Bristol and Clifton Gas Light Arnendmere Derby Waterworks; Ilerculanewn Dock; Iluddereth Id Improvement; Stirling Waterworks; Bile, PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS. --By Mr. NCtiusediii. or a place not hesrd, in favour r.f granting incorporation privileges to societies of o.l.lfrhows; from Glasgow, in favour of granting eites for free churches , in Scot land.—Sir W. ItowcaviLts, Irmo the hoard of guardians of Bells, praying for an 'lteration in the hid. poor law.--Mr. W terrify from certain pawnbrokers, praying for indemnity in case of plunder during riot. and disturbancee.—tiir T. Risen, from the pawnbrukersof Liver pool. to the sane effeck—Mr. Wserso, from Notnnahron, against the 'window dirt r. J. B. Sow n, from Falkirk, against the Scotch law of entail. —Mr. frontDryoon Wont Staffordshire. agilmt the game laws. —Mr. USW:HAUT, r ltßaffurd, against the Health of totem Bill. — Mr. 1111.1.1150, from the Weeleyan4 of htchaven, against tbr sale of son:amnia Inenofi o f tday.. - • Lord DuNC.LS, from Badr, against the Health of Towns Brit.—Lord Ammer, from lit Hampite and tit bite. chapel (p, in favour of the Health of Tonna hill.—Mr m. froni a religious congregation at Arbroltb, against the Kik • of spirits on sun. days.—Mr. ViA3a , a, from the Mirliail and Chit urytiralSociely, against the Health ot Tow'. Bil.—Mr. too,. in i , from n place not heard; and Lord Mouegru, trout strunford, in tavour of the Health of Towns 818. OLIMMITTEL—rubIie Stealth Bill. REPORT.—itelnoval of Aliens Rill. THIRD REAUlNUS.—sEvietril Lleetttu'C Poor (Ireland,; Pro t Houses (,Irelani, ; Great Yarmouth FretinenDiaranchisement% Bilk. NOTICE 01 MG PlON.—PnerstagrgrAar Eeicrons.—sir B. hail. on Friday move lor of the number of eleors on ths re gister to the United Kingdom in return. It 11, and cd the numbcter. pulled et the last elettion. RETURNS OHM:REM—On the motion of Mr. AUGar one, returns of the name. of all persons who are in the receipt of moncle out ot certain Manche , of the revenue, and of the Woods and lured. In tlatt United Rabid, m. MALTA. D r . BryteßlNG asked the Colonial Under-Secretaryndinu w whether any mi.asure• are in prop for exte the people of Mdta the bentfit of popular iLstitutious in any shape? Mr. B. HAWES sai d that if the hon. mem ber meant to ask whttlier a repreaentsitive awombly was to he granted to Malta, he must answer " No." But bo should ill do justice I to the governor of that island if be were to mit t matt tostate fat' at ' lie had unthr his rnn sidereion many importaners, the benefit of the colony. Amongst them were municipal corporation', re'orms in the commercial and civil law pro cerium., tending to cheapen law ; also the investigation of charities, ere the construction of warehouses f .1. the iin procerneLt of COMM VI,. All these important subjects had been takers into considi ration within the last eight months that the governor had resoled at Malta. Dr. BOWRING asked if tko muoicipalities were to be popular or close corporations ? Mr. B. HAW ES said he wit. awaiting the report on the ' I subject, and could givEYLON. e WA information at present. C— NAVIOATION LAWS. Mr. HUME begged to ask tho President of the Beard of ' Trade whether the porta • f Ceylon vivre t r lie piseed on the I I same footing, as rrgarded the duties a id charges on shipping 1 and gcods, with the ports of the East India Company's territonta ? Mr. LABOUCIEERF. said that Ceylon, being a British port, a-id net unde r the c ontrol of the E ilit Indian Ft-meta ment, no measures leach as the hon. mem. r r ferred to could be applied to the ports ot that Wend ball b all (Mange , of the nature in question must be eff,cteil by authority of par liamet.t, and not by order in council. SPANISH CORRESPONDENCE. Mr. URQUHART wished, in consequence d of the fli rts*. panty in the answers given in that house an elsewhere on the subject. to know whether the retied conduct of Mr. B u lwer at Madrid was rally approvi d of by his govern mentwhether the despot hes of the 10th endno April would be given in full % lie also w i shed to kw llth h o ther ar y communication had been recently received front 1 the Duke of Sotronsynr 1 Lord PALMERSTON said that Mr. Ilulwer's conduct had recent d the approval of hit povernment. It would sot be convcrant to the public service to publish in &dens° despatches intended only for the prien'e information of go mrnment. Government haft rec. ived no communication from Mr. Bulwer acknowledging the lot despatch lent out, and therefore Le could not answer tho last part ol the h u t, member's question. Mr. 11 ttl.lo et ART sail, that when, on to-morrow (this day )he gi o ,ler the otice tif the house , e aairs of •11 , in n ir 'irou ohla , n or al,ailil auk, n tern,. eireetritti b ns ni, ff these :lost trilibliCtlellit. ...••••••-- - -HOLSTEIIL—DUNKARIC. hetber .• blinesas wished m know w .- 4 say inieresation relative to the In •-.r, by the Prussian troops; end - antanblo settlement • scnuswio-, The ems' HON. Me geeetheseat lid weaved mien of the Amish territory by s ee also whether an there were any hopes of of affairs in that querter ? Lord PALMERSTON said that the Prussian troops bent had innately en t e red feeblest*, and directions might given to them to gannet into Jetlend. With reference to amicable arrangements, he had TOIMOO to believe that both parties were willing to accept the geed offices of England and the house might rely upon it there would be no want of exertion on the part of the British government to bring ' matters to a satisfactory oonclusion. Is answer to another question from Mr. Vont) HART, mid* was boodible. Lied PALMERSTON farther stated that the Daniell go. Messes% tad applied both to Russia and Great Britain for 'Mediation, while the German confederation had applied Ind y to the latter power. RIVER PLATE.—BLOCKADE OF THE ELBE. Mr. ROBINSON wished to know whether the Provi ts sional Gove rn ment of France continued the arrangemen of its predecessor reepectiog the joint operations of the Bpi listened French squadrons in the River Plate. lie should also be glad to hear whether h a d received any ofithgal information of the blockade of the Elbe and the Wiser by Danish ships ; also whether such blockade, if existing, would be general or only confined to vessels bear ing munitions of war ? Lord PALMERSTON said that he had not bed any com munication with the Provisional Government of France re lative to the affairs of the River Plate, hut the late govern ment had sent out instructions addreesed jointly to the English and French agents, which, he trusted, would lead to an amicable a rrangement of all differences in that quarter. He expected every day a communication on this subject. I Nothing requiring fresh communication with the Prod serest Government had arisen, but he had no reason to sup- I pose they would feel inclined to withdraw the in which had been i ssu ed by their predecessors. With refer- 1 toes to the other questionof certain blockades of the hon. !acrobat., be had to reply that a notification on the Elbe and .loewhere bad been received, but without indicating in detail the particular points. He apprehended that, accord ing to the law of nation', ouch blockade a would exclude ail l vessels, and that the ease of one carrying munitions of war would give rise to much graver questions. blr. ROBINSON asked whether the Weeks& would affect the ships of the belligerents only ? Lord PALMERSTON said that a Danish officer hod landed lately at Ileligolenel, and stated to the British officers theat Briiialt steam-ckets conveyin malls and pm. ange re, rs th only would not be be prevented from g eutering the blockaded ports. VAN DIEMEN'S LAND. In answer to a question from Mr. Hens, Lord J. RUSSELL said, it was the intention of tOTOTIM. meet to introduce a measure giving the above colony a local f lettielature. lie could not, in consequence of the pressure o other business, fix the particular day. ENC UMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND). Mr. BRI.OIIT said that a measure to (*cleres . the sale of encumbered estates in Ireland had been introduced in the other horse to far back as February last, and bad not as yet r. ached the committee, while noble lords had pared the Coercion Bill clean through in throe days. (Hear, beer.) He wished to know when it might be expected down for dis cussion in that house (the Roue of Commons)? Lord J. RUSSELL said that the subject do which the hon. member Teter', d w as one of great ifficulty, and although the Lord Chancellor bad been in constant coin• munieation with various parties, both legal and those inter ested in te settlementf mortgages, some further time w ould be h c oo n ecessary for derate's. He (Lord J. Rue. sell) bad been recently speaking to the Lord Chancellor, who had informed him that the bill would come under con sidera•ion to-morrow (this day). The hon. memher should however recollect that, supposing it down at that moment, there was a great deal of important business, among friend would bring under consideration on Monday next, and which must have precedence. CRACOW. Lord D. STUART wished to know whether any official intertnaton had been received relative to the bombardment of Cracow. Lord PALMERSTON hail received ol agreeing substantially with the publishedfficia informetion accounts. It was to the effect, that in c onsequence ot certain events rah ri c h h had taken place in Cracow, a bembardment, orcan nonade, was commenced from the castle upon the town. It lasted severa l hours, and a rum ceased. (Laughter.) BRITISH GUIANA Lord G. BENTINCK, who was almost Inaudible, wu understood to ask whether government had received any in o t i ma tion from the local count of DerneffirS, whether a copy relative t the impossib il ity of raising supplies ; also, whe of an address from the 0 00000 or of Jamaica to the colonoo had been received, promising them further amelioration in celenial gnverneneet. Mr. HAWES had no official cognisance of the matter referred to in the first hrsnch of the Debi& lord's question. With respect to the address of the governor of Jamaica, he knew nothing about it, having never seen aor heard of it. In answer to o. question from Mr. I'. MILS!), Mr. HAWES promised to lay all papers relative to West Indian affairs upon thANISHe table wAFFAIRS.ith the least possible delay. SP Mr. BANKES said that the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had promised an extract from the Clamor Publico along with the despatches relative to recent events ie Madrid. On looking over the papers he (Mr. Bankes) could not find that extract. lie to geed now to ask the noble lord fur it, and sew whether the noble lord hol any a uthority tor supposing that the Duke of Sotomnyor's letter found its way into a F re nch paper with the connivance of the Sposish government? While on the subject of expla nation', hr should be glad to know how it was tE K t th h e d e spatches he held in his nand had appeared in ans newspsper twenty four haws before they were in the hands of members of that house? Lord PALMERSTON had, since the publication of the deepetehes, found a copy of the Clamor Pethlico which was quite at the service of the hour. With near" to the hon. member's uo cod question, as to how the French papers had obtained the correspondence, hie (Lord Palmerston '• conjec ture bad been founded on the internal evidence of the docu• mints themselves. All he could say well certainty was that they Lad not come from the British government or the Bri tish minister at Madrid. With regard to the last queation, his answer war, that it was perfectly well known that it was a usual and established courtesy with public depertments when despatches were laid on the table of that house to send them to the principal poem. Whether they had been sent in this instance before a elle flcient numher had been struck off for distribution amongst hon. members he did not know, but he thought the custom rather advantageone to the public sereiee than otherwise. PUBLIC HEALTH. The Earl of LINCOLN thought that a good opportunity for inhuming her ?dainty's government that he intended to move the omission of the 4th and (oh clauses of the Health ot T Bill. Should he be sueceriful in that motion it was his owns intention further to move an alteration in the Gth clause, transferrine the appointment of superintendents and inspectors to the eectetary of State. CHANNEL ISLANDS. In answer to a auction Mom Mr. Eiverer, Sir G. GREY d Nedinte he had uire received the state a report of frothem the esenmi sionen app ' to inq into mind law in the Channel I-lends. Until that was derma of entirely the COMM iwkinGers would not touch the coil law. TILE CUSTOMS. Mr. IdeelltEoOß begged to ask the noble lo rd ulrd at the head of the uovernm ent when an oppertunityd be afforded him of bringing forward his motion relative to t ithy e customs , which was then n dropped order i If an oppurtun were not efforded, his only resource would be to bring it on on going into supply. Mr. STUART wished to inform the noble lord before' an swering the hon. member for Glasgow, that he (Mr. Stuart) I had himself stood beside the hurt. member in the lobby while the house was being counted out on his motion. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL was afraid that he could not promise the hon. member any of the nights devoted to pub is busi ness. He had already given up Friday night to the hoc. member her Oxford. Mr. WO REGOR explained that his appearance in the lobby on a former evening was occasioned by hie leaving gone there to induce members to come in and make a house. PUBLIC sIEALTII BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE, Lord J. BUSSELL wish d, belure proceeding to the milt r of the day on the eh ore bill, to intimate to the house that governen• nt intended to make an important altezation in the liedtal of tise comrnis•ioni n it was proposed that there shout i he only three commiesioners, two of whom would be unpaid. Mr. SPOON Kit, in resuming the adjourned debate, com pleaued that, tedwithetandin,t the alteratione announced by the noble lord, the great evil principle of the hill remains untouched, that principle being to make over to • witted board the aterirs of eat r.s mcipality in the kingdom. The anno ciation of such • prim iplo hid raised an oppusition which wan daily and hourly increasing, the towns of England cone. wing that the House of Commons was usurpieg • power to which it had no right whatever. lie approved highly of the valve indieved by his nble friend the member for Falkirk. It was, in his opinion, quite eight, that the details of the bill should be in quired into, before any steal were taken for the appointment of a commiesion. It appeared to him that unesea the object of the government was merely to create places, the best way would be to &hue the work to he done, before any new powers ware created. Although opposing the present hill he wee quite convinced that a well.contrived sanitary bill was absolutely necesaary, and it was leecauee he was convinced of that neceesity that he carrel on the noble lord not to press the present hill. If the noble lord w the c immiss ass hee i4ied it to p m ust ust take out all the powers given to ionen hoped the noble lord would cone. nt to refer the bill to • select committee up stairs, if sot, and his lion. friend the member for Stafford presaed the house to a division on his amendment, he eh cold ceitainly vote with him. Mr. KLAN hY believed that no man could have read the report of the health of towns commission, on whose unani mous recommendation the Illtfthure Mai founded, without being convinced that powers such as those rimmed to be taken by this bill were abodattly necessary. That con million hod ettended its inquiries to s ki the principal mans. factoring and seaport towns in the ngdom. and the re. stilt was that in regard to the three great points es which the investigation w ae directed, via., drainage, cl carting, and the supple (4 water, they were all miserably deficient sad that the health of the working classes—the sinews of the country—the localities in which they resided being in ill ea-es the most neglected, was greatly deteriorated, and th duration of life shortened in consequence. It we all very well to say, " leave the matter in the hands of the local boartle ;" hut experience had ehown that the exertlone of those bod ii ice, n attendcd by some suecrvising power. had been in almost all cases w boll y ineffective lie would call G, MAY 9, 1848. -.-------------------".-- the attention of hon. meshes , to the reports Of the commissioners . as to the statica l* Mblnielbole a.... ..... fin the meet aloas parts of 16111 pigsties, and pigs), of Coventry, 11,dellWeillie Milano, where the mortality from the cholera of any during tees Mee of that awful visitation ass the greatest kingdom--of the towns in Lanceshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire, especially VI to the oonditirm of the courts and alleys in which the working classes resided, to rove the necessity of immediate legislation on the subject, and of the establishment of some central supervising power in aid of the local authorities. The hon. member for War wiekshire hed oomplained that the measure would be a very easily one; he (Mr. effectn, on the contrary, that it would in all emu ff a great saving, by reduCing the amount of the poor rates, the cost of keeping ,up hospitals and gaols—for, when the health and ' comfort of the working classes were secured, habits of prudence and industry followed as a matter of warm, and the temptation to intemperance and dis etl was removed. He believed this bill would give to tbe l autlioritiee powers which they hod not at present, and to the want of which was to be attributed in must cases —and sot to their unwillingness to act—the present die grateful state of our densely populated towns. (Hear.) It bad been objected that the bill substituted a system of 'go vernment ce ntralisation for one of local control, and that the whole power was to be placed in the bands of the noble lord (Nemeth). II hon. gentlemen who made that objection would only read the bill, they would find they were mistaken. In the first place, the bill established a board of supervision, the only appointments in whose hands were a n inspector and an auditor : with this exception, the whole power would rest with the local hostile. It was true that the surveyor must be approved by tmenthe central board. 'This was neosmary to ensure the appointment of qualified woos, and to prevent the office being made a vehicle for bieg. If, however, there was any objection to this elfo - it might be al'tered in committee. 3 tr a y rinciple of the bail was to ensure the cerrying out of sanimeasures, and to preserve the health tat the people—to that principle no o bj.eiiou had been or he presumed would be made ; all the objections which hail bun urged »leered to matters of detail which might be discussed in committee. With filmed to the metropolis, the evidence of their own senses wall sufficient to convince them that the old system of sewerage was bad. In those streets, where the large old fiat-bottomed sewers remained the smell arising from them at certain 1011101111 was almost in tolerable, while in those in which the oval sewers, with the smell end downwards, by which a flush of water for carry ing off the decomposing matter was secured, had been sub stituted, there was no smell at all. In the courts A ll an old alleys the su bstitution of the round earthenware pipes for fashioned drains had been found more effective and con siderably chums . . With regard to water lied cleansing, it bad been found that wherever the clansing bed been ca iried nut effecti v e l y it had paid its ow eve r be n expen. INo system ot drainage, however, could I complete without a good supply of water, and in many of our large towns there was no supply at all fur the purposes of cleansing, nur fur the demote: re quirements of the people, unless such as was brouxbt in carts and sold at their doers. In this respect, means must he taken to enforce some improvement. After the concession the noble lend bad made in carrying out the measure by means of two unpaid co mmissioners, he sincerely hoped that the opposition, threatened by hon. gentlemen in agai on the o ther a billide of the house, would not be persevered a brought forward, aud anxiously promoted, by two successive governaseats, and sanctioned by • commission.being so, t Those hhey on. ge ntlemen desired to uphold property. That ought to r collect that the poor man's property was his health, strength, and power, to labour for the henefit of himself, his wife and family. (Hear, hear.) lie call , d upon them, therefore, to lay aside their disputes, and endeavour to improve this bill in committee, instead of attempting to reject it; a coons which if successful, would go far to paralyses the energii a of the Isbouring man and d to estro hisy his c .mforts by taking away that protection health which alone enabled him so earn his bread He could not conclude witho ut expressing his surprise that so %whir • roceding on the part of the opponents of the bill should b e e resorted to, as sending an anony mou s publication to every town-council in the kingdom, slating that by the centralising ate hority to be plated over the their influenceaffairs taken from them. Surely such weapons. )er e unworthy the opponents of the measure. (Hear, ar Mr. C. PEARSON observed that it was extremely difficult to define the boundary line between the principle and details of a bill ; as that which one hon. gentleman might consider a principle, another might rcgsrd only as a matter of detail. Hence the frequent reply to objections egainst this bill: " They are only matters of detail—let us comider them in committee." His idea of the principle of this bill wi a this — that so many cities, towns, and boroughs in the country as huge vernment should please to distinguish by an order in council were to he taken out of the elicitor law, which vested the power of making sanitary regulations in a local authority, and plead under the control of a governmeat board—that was to say, that the time-honoured institutions of the country we re, like ricketty children, to be piaci d in the go-cart of government centraliaation. That was, in his estimation, the principle of the bill, and, being altogether opposed to it, he could not consent to go into committee for the purpose of considering how it might best be carried out. The bon gentleman p,oceeded to combat the arguments of the lasi and other speakers, that this hill would materially improve the social and physical condition of the people, by referring to thi sanitary se stem of France and other continental countries, of which be said this bill was an imitation, and show ing that under that system those countries were inferior to England in morality, longevity, and physical co mforts. The p ro portion of deaths in France was 1 in 42 ; in Primes ' 1 in 38 ; in Austria, 1 in 33 ; in Russia, 1 in aft ; and in Eng land. lin 45. The hon. ore Tolman did not state what returns he quoted from, but argued, that in England, under her own principle of local self. governmint, there was less mortality than in these countries where the system of contralieation sought to be established by this bill was in operation. Ile also quoted largely from returns respecting early marriages, showing a great preponderance in favour of England, and particularly London, while the number of illegitimate ' children was proportionately small. He wholly acquitted the noble lord the member for London cf haviag omitted that city from the bill, because of his p olitical connexion; and must ' do him the justice to say, that be believed there was not the ' slightest foundation for any such imputation Ile opposed ; this bill not for the City of London, but as a member of par- ' liament speaking for the eountry at large ; and as such, he ! must ay with regret that the grossest misrepresentations had been palmed upon the country respecting it. As the temple 1 so was the sack. Ile found it stated in a report of the sub. I comm ittee of the Health of To wns' Associati on —a body of 1 propagandists who were trying to infect ths minds of the la. tion—" that since 1838 upwards of 58,000 children were de- stsoyi el in London who would not have been destroyed if the ', rate of mortality was the same as in the district of Lewis- r, barn." If fairness were intended, a place ha vin g onl y shout ' 600 inhabitants widely separated would not have been chosen • as a comparison end placed in contrast with a thickly pa I pulated city. This showed the manner in which the public mind had been drugged by the advocates of this measure. Ile would add that though during the years stated the had died whole number of children aged 5 years and under who in the City of London was 5125, the number was stated ' in the publications put forth by these amociations 58.00 11 . Ile (Mr Pesrecni) should be ashamed to make these charges heroin the absence of those patties, unless he hail previously made them bet. re a body of the members of these seeociations, when the secretary of the health o Towns ' Association and the secretaryof the Metropolitan Association were both present; and yet when he made the charge they ' stood mute monuments of detected impositions, which they ' had not the courage to defend. Hence he had a right to chare against these men peblicatione and s t a tements which ' we grosdy untrue, mid only put forth to influence votes in favour of this measure. Still, however, he diditar not pretend rove to say then there was not room for great sany imp ments—that admission he made as broadly as he could state it. (Ilear, hear.) He would mention one case mated in a report published by the Statistical Society, to which Colonel Sykes, Dr. Guy, and Mr. Neeson were nudes. The case hnd reerence to aarticular locality, to which presently he would f give a nam e lie reed it with s h a me and humiliation, to think that he lived in a country where each scenes were permitted to take place. These gentlemen cis to the condition of 18 houses which had been visited consecutively. Each of these contained a dense population, closely packed together to an extent which it was frightful to contemplate. In these abodes the maximum amount of cubic feet of air was 270 feet, but the average was 176 cubic feet of air for respiratory purposes. Why any felon in the country was alloweds hea in lt h, his cell 1,000 cubic feet of air for the purposes of hi, had an a nd yet them poor creatures, thus h u ddled together t oeing° of only 176 feet. The report went on to state that in these wretched ray des all ages and vexes were dwindled together, tethers and daughter*, mothers and sons, brothers and sisters, admt strangers, male and female, and that young c hild re n—the sick and the d y in g —to a pressure eve brutes would reeist ; and nmong them it was impassible to observe the ordinary decencies of life, and hence iinmorality and vice grew with their growth and streugthened with their snength. To put an end to such a system he would willingly join with any man or body of men. Hut where did all this take place, and under whose control and govern ment ? Why the locality was Churchaitreet, St. Giles'e, and the aut h o rity was that of the Woods and Forests. (Hear.) The house was aware that an act had been passed giving authority to the Woods and Forests to construct a new street through St. Giles's to c"nnect Holborn with Oxford-street ; and for the constrution of the new street • tax was imposed upon all c oo ls imported into London. This tax, it had been untruly charged, was manage el by the cor poration of London. On the contrary, the management was placed in the Weeds and Forests which department had a fund from that source of soo,doot.. with which to make the new street, to pull down half the houses of the locality, and to make arranements for the better accommodation uf the people who would thus be displaced from their habita tions. And what had been the result were , hy the houses had been pulled down, and tho people driven into the wretched absdes denvibed in the report he had quoted, the inmates of which had thus bees increased to ot the Woods the extent of 67 per cent. So muc h for the management and Forests. Lord MORPETII intimated across the table that the new street and alterations alluded to bad not been carried out by the Woods and Forests, but under the Commissioners of Metropolitan Imp rove ments,rove of which body the Lord Mayor was a member. s) Mr. C. PEARSON resumed. —Ile was aware of the convenience of putting in a commiesion a few dummies (a 'neigh), and no doubt the name of the Lord Mayor had been included in the commission to give it an appearance of popu laity ; but no man could doubt that the Lord Mayor, hoer ever respectable, would sick into measureless insignificance in the presence of an individual of so high a position as the noble lord. (Loud laughter.) If, therefore, the 'Nem :s aud ' Forests managed affair , so wr etchedl y so near 't o me, what rould be calculated upon as the result of th- ,i r co ntrolling rower and surmision of works in dimwit p . aria of clic cowl- ...._ ._._._.___._._._Th try under this bill ? (Hear, hear.) In the course of this should be in idelled on the lodestars Act of Mee. see discoid= the subject of the visitation of cholera in this ',Hat this no argument whatever had been o ff ered. &i s ."' gonna, moms years ap lead been alluded to. At that time-- some such modification were consented to, it would let se a . Pan existiag authority , oe -e 0,.. stamalye in len he lead been appointed chairman over 97 I alibis for the tell to get through committee in e x mueos e" - d bos by rd, and the host of in P , tree -7 parishes to administer a fuad of 10,0001. voted by the oorpo- (Laughter.) The noble lord the member fur Felkirk 11M ration. He entered on this point to show the advantage of Lincoln), who was th iroughly muter of tee subj m e e 7s, local government. The i ity of London determined to act given notice of an amendment by the omission of m e c. 0 .,' --"' P r themselves, ' despite he frightful edict issued by the and fifth clauses ; and this would in a gnat m teeeo eres Privy Council at that time, at the heed of which was the the centralising powers, for the rest of the bill w a ki - 'n,,,,_ Marquis of Lanadowne. The eitisens of London stood their become Minim nugatory. lie hoped the govern: t M ei .,""'"' ground, ss had their pndecemors at the time of the plague. not he greedy of patronage, but would c memo t e rmeee ee ee ril w l s e to rs t:r t ng he .' ce xe n r t c r e al oThnewydfofrrommedthiet th‘teetwrsoowfasoi r u t e a n tr u rd o o ro f r h d e m alth d , thwehsicohaeti.e ment medical men as to the contagious character of the di- sub inspectors throughout the country, would tOle - se ,..ese sere. And what had been the consequence of the course by the government ; this had create.' a strung le.ii,T o r , pursued ? In Paris, where the disease was treated as cones pugnance amongst the local a uthorities of every mei l ts gents, the deaths were as lin4o • while in Londonowhich kingdom, who were denouncing the gamin e ...a for 11 4 ' had taken its own course of prece:dure, the deaths had been contrive d, out of an I rel famine, to create 10,000 D .,.... 1 in the proportion of lin 400 of the population. These acre patromme-the noble lord the member f r Lyen (le;ie lnl o proofs that the management of 11. affairs ought to be left Bentinck) declared the number was 16.000. (l ove :. to local authorities, whose exertion' ought not to be per- This bill created an immense ca w ear 4 patronage e 7O ) ' milted to be paralysed or deadened by the influence exercised, if not by the government die m e , b ', o re or interference of government eOlninialiortere. (Hear, who had imposed on them by th e i r esor s f sees oe , hear.) lie did not think he shout do service The view which he entertained was this ti ei t .......%.* to the cause which he sincerely advocated if be said number of respectable persons wo u ld b „ e„,,,, 5e j a o Te4IM le more than to express his conviction that if this bill should large towns who would be willing to adopt se {kale IR Melte rain, whatever the country might choose to submit to, the sums fur the preservation of the health or the irdisou se , ele City of London and the metropolitan districts would not He woold not ohjeet to a temporary men eard te se — o e es. tolerate such • measure being applied to them. (Hear.) measure set in motion, but they SAOUM wit superse*.k. -.. Lord ASHLEY said he was very anxious to imprese upon la al authorities . He was in favour of a peeper rem "' the house the absolute and indispensable necemity ..of corn. but they seuuld know Wore they went into mea ni e - e s : e t mencing some measure calculated to remove grievances whet principles they were going to proceed o eb ese e meee i which weighed so heavily upon the working classes. (Hear, would fall into the same confusion that they did last - I hear.) His noble friend opposite (Lord Morpeth) bail said (Hear, hear.) fele the other night that this was a working man's bill. His Copt. PIfCUBLL admitted that the gm - eminent m o o noble friend had never uttered a tsuer thing. The measure voured as far as they could to meet the VISA'S fth "- o e iblle• was connected with the working man's whele existence. It tors to the measure. lie admitted elm .hat a began at his home-it affected his capacity . to go abroad-it of this kind was necessary, but the principle ut tent sjla ' touched his health, and it increase! or diminished his means which wits enforced in the bill rendered it tome Mina i s a obtaining a livelihood for his wife, his family, and himself. sh o u ld eople of the country. (Hear, hear.) He thoughr j o ss e This question, formerly unknown to the people, wee now be careful before they took out of the hinds of il. well understood by them, and it, accomplishment was one people the administration of their local aflaire a me 'of the dearest objects they had at heart. Hence it affected however, vote for going into committee, b ut „ . ,,,;;;7 0 7 , ' not merely the phtsical and moral condition of the workin Mew of paring, as the noble lord the member fir Both o u l Manes, but also this ir political content or discontent, just e n :he talons of tnis iormidable tiger. (Leo ter.) s e ssee - "e legislative: measures for seretary improvement were metres he would resist all attempts to plus the low b e - a" adopted or neglected. lie did not deny that them were wider . the t hough t ot theentral commieson. (la m e great difficulties ia the way of legislation on this subject, Mr. W. MlLESthat the government were rem i nor that it required great ingenuity and perseverance to to the central board mute authority than wes devise a measure which should be an antidote fur the pro- carry out the eill. lie considered the preirrit =L I : digious and intolerable evils which at present existed. But . great improvement on the measure of last Mu, sail e s the greatness of these difficulties could not be, and ought net would be prepared to vote for g•iing into comma's if th to be, any argument for she the present measure noble lord oppoeite adopted the reasonable su e rustimo es at the very threshold o f he d ue mm oderation- hon, member tor Oxfordshire. He thought the pre namely, in committee ; and he (Curd Ashley) were wrung in not including the metropolis in the bel, le. gave to his noble friend opposite (Lord Morpeth),, and to MUMS all the facts ehowed that the mortaliiy in the metrtpli the government, the highest praise for the manner in which war far greater than in other parte of the astray , they had addressed themselves to this question, and the ai.d contemn:Lily stood in greater need et omits '' mode in which they had encountered those difficulties. At He hoped some member of the government soald give s e the same time, he fairly told them that, in committee, the explanation of the construction of the coolie horde( bill was susceptible a great improvement ; but, whether or mission rs, end in the meantime he would suspend his ) ' not, he (Lord tahley) implored the house to let the go- meat . as to the measure. vernment have the opportunity of dealing with the bill in Mr NEWDECIATE said that the bill would tame, committee; because it was a measure which had already supersede all local Weeds, and in that repee it mold e got so strong a hold upon the minds of the people, that it very objectionable.. The object whice the prov was essentially Dammam , to prove to them in detail what mem. dto have in view was to centralise the whole of the was, or was not, feasible in respect to the removal of the powers of the provincial towns, and to place thee parse various abominetions to which they were at present exposed. the hands of the cenimissioners of the central beard. n o It had been stated thst the existing law was sufficient to body was to have the power of app euting local offices ts effect all purposes. The law was strong to remove nui- any extent which might be deemed fit. (Divide.) It s althea provided men had the means to go to law ; hoped, however, that the noble lord (Mormh) meld* but Still they . were insufficient, or unequal to seek to ex , reuse the powers sought I. r under the bill wo o the institution of improvements, especially in reference to diudvantege of the local boards. (Divide.) lie hoped* the due end sufficient supply of water, a nd therefore he re- some assurance from the government that such ntraordiam tted vestigation hes hope cocommutethat the e. bill He wou(Lold h rd e all Ashle do ) should . have ventured to address the house on this subject, had it Mr. WI. LD, amidst great confusion and cries d not been for the observations addressed to the house the last "d vide," was understood to say that his rons.iteenu ie. eight of the debate by the hon. member for West Surrey proved of the bill in so far as the central beat was ealmlere persons Drummond), who stated that • number of intereetea to ounteract local jobbing, and in their Vit. W he miler , availing themselves of the feeline which prevailed in concurred. Toe large masses of the people wire taroattet the country, had got up an agitation in order to carry a to the measure as a w hole, though there wire parts slit measure of this description. As he :Lord Ashley) had been which were objectionable. most deeply embarked in the whole of this movement-as the gallery was then about to be cleared fora difisite, he had long been actively engaged in the endeavour to when obtain • legislative measure on this subject, he was reaiy Mr. URQUHART withdrew his amendment ; age to take upon himself a share of as much blame as upon the house went into committee on the Mil. could to Cast upon the proreeding ; but he would leave it to The preemble was postponed. Clause Ile Inc propesee the hon. member (Mr. Drummond) to show that he (Lord Mr. BANKES objected to the exclusion ot loam Me As bed exhibited a grain of selfishness in the matter. the provieieris of the bill. The metropolis contained re (Hear, bear.) And he would ask the hon. member whether, work's, chemical worko and other manuract eies genentirg in the opposition to the measure, there was not something of noxious vapours, *hien rendered sanitary regulations mart selhshness, and a low and mean regard to pecuniary interests ? n e cessary , than in any other part of the kinedom. aloe (Hear, hear When the hon. member treated the subject hear.) lie need t his o farther than the college genets • with so much jocoseness, he must have forgotten, or never prove the truth of assertion. In Westminster Moe have known, the deep feeling which existed through the the head master was ill ; several of the scholars Mahn country upon it. He could not have known that in almost attacked ; the Dom of Westminster was also dicta every large town local boards had been formed 0 investigate and, when such a state of things was t rim a abuses sad to make periodical reports which, from beginning to exclude the metropolitan districts teem e qa to end, showed one and the same complaint of the total tion of the bill was a line of policy which he meld sa inadequacy of the law for the removal of the great and understend. lie called upon the noble lord to prolate t . pressing evils they denounced. There had been two pelt- measure intended for the whole nation ; or, at alluvium none from the city he represented-one praying to be es- begin with Lendon, where the necessity for mutter/ogee . empted from the bid-the other from the inhabitants, calling none oas most seriously felt. It was the fact, Oise tepee their representatives not to give way to local intlaenoes attributing for a moment undue attention on the partite but to make it subservient to the gener gocd. lie (Lord noble lerd to the interests of his censtituente, that thole Ashley) therefore found himself at liber ty to act as he liked, rests and wishes of London were more iminedistely anneal and, acting as he liked, he should vote for the bill going to in that house than those of any other town in theldso into committee and there introduce such amendments as to doze. This was not right. If London was to be ached him seemed neCessary. The lion. member for West Surr ey on anemic of the antiquity of its cortmation, there Adt ha p sae d what poseible connection there could be between many nib i r towns in the kingdom which aright put re. tyhus and crime. Ile replied that the state of things similar j4ea. He moved that all the word , which mete in the dwellings of the working classes was such I exclude L orlon and Westminster from the hill be omitted that fever and disease were engendered-the labouring Lord IMORPETH was free to admit that the exclueme man was thereby rendered unable to pursue his honest avo- the metropolis WAS the main defect of the bill. (Remises cations. Diemen and want came, and was followed by th.R But when it was remembered that there were a hued an d crime as the culy mea ns of subsistence. This was shown local acts referring to the metropolis , it would not be in the r 1 port of Dr. Ned Arnott to be the cam in G las g ow, dent! at that it had been found memory to exclude item and here he must remark that he regretted Scotland was not th cpssent bill. lie aso regretted the exclusion others/ included in the provisions of the bill. n ot .nd ; but his belief was that the sanitary condi* The LORD ADVOCATE -There will be a separate bill of both those countries would be better advanced by stogie for Scotlend• measures than by incorporating them in one vast sad* Lord ASHLEY rejoiced to hear that announcement. The manageable bill. Tie question was whether this anew connexion between di el and crime was shown in the com- WAS a boon to the dioxins contempla dor not. If it eat munications of Dr. Niel Arnoto at Glasgow, by the reports boon, the exclusion of the metropolis was no teacake is. J of Mr. Francis Cooper, the Burgeon of Southampton, and by prising other citmo of the advantages intended. (The ell of which he iuvithee. of the B ea M r Cla y , thechaplain of the Preston Hume hear) lie trusted that he should seen be able to widener o f Correction, to ted the attention of the the case of the metropolis, and he congratulated hiniself vd 1 hon. member (Mr. Drummond). Again he (Lord Ashley). the prospect of having for an able assietst the hon. mete '. from the examination he bad personally made, had not the for Doreetshire. slightest d o ubt that tar more than one-hall of the habits of Colonel SI BTHORP objected to the bill in tots It intoxicetion which (begrime large towns arose from the looked upon it as a government job, °encoded for the m sanitary condition in which the people were at present coin- pee of pro v iding places for some of the lean end hungrili pelted to live, and further, he would join his noble friend the lowers of the noble lord and his colleagues. I.l.onver, member for Plymouth (Lord Ebrington) in saying that all noble lord would consent to include the cities of Loads a 1 attempts at the educetion of the people were vain, no lag as W ee rminster it would remove one o f jo s me i n o bj ect o ss a they Wen) left in their present sanitary condition. lie (Lord the bill. Ashley) could add, in reference to the ragged schools, that Lord MORPETH said he had already given his moss the children in returning to their miserable homes unlearnt for not includ.ng London. in one hour more then it had taken weeks to teach them. Colonel SIBTIIORP.-Then lam delighted to teple Ile trusted the house would allow the bill to go into corn- you. (A laugh.) ratetee, making what amendments they thought prop.r, The Marquis of GRANBY strongly ohjrctee to the nth thereby taking ono great step towards placing these peer sion of the metropolitan districts ; but further, the billn people on the proper level of humanity. (Cheers.) ohjectioneble on account of the odious and eau-Eoglishp Mr. MUNTZ did not oppose the bill going into committee. ciple of cent retention which it contained. Ile was quite aware that something needed Mon ,• g • but there IMr. NEW DEGATE maid that the noble lord had ate ' d the one bowlful local were many improvements which he should like to see in Mine acts of Landon as a tootle the bill. He doubted whether any sanitary measure would excluding it from the bill. He (Mr. Newdegatti * effect so much as the noble lord who had last spoken was so know how many country local acts would this bill phe e sanguine as to expect from it. Centralisation was the the merry of Rove rnment ? great objectioa to this bill; the large towns had their local go- Lerd MORPETH admitted that there WAS an hole vernments ; and if other places had not, why should the cur- number of local acts scattered over the ceuntry. It trete porate towns have this vast additionel machinery thrust upon tact of the 100 local acts being in a lump that cogitate them ? Let the bill give the right of electing inspectose tothe the diffi .ulty in the case of London. rate-payersowho must bear the charge ; otherwise the best Mr. HU SON said that every town in Eagles& es and most efficient men would refuse to act, as had been the opposeel to the centralising principle of the bill. lie le Me in the board of guardians at Birmiugham. Many people just returned fr om the ancient city of York, si here Mena expected too much from such a measure as this; the needle , , determined opposition had been resolved on. lie slide poiaten would nerve live to above 40 years if they reliatu ' n see why all the wisdom of English corporate bodies are' the most healthful place in the world ; and there were other be supposed to centre in the City of London. Whet if m edic little less destructive of human life , lie beheved the I complained of in York was, that the corporation bads edical officers had a great interest in over-stating the case, power to insist on efficient drainage. (Hear, beer.) lime in order to prove a netessity for their own employment. The „ bear, hear," too. That was a reason ten giving Oi l* salaries of these otficers were tn be heed by government maul power to the corporation, but not for Gent:deign What local body would submit to such dictation as this ? The principle of government in this country was thattassio Ile doubted whether the present measure could be BO tut- and representation should go together, and he and Ovate proved at to render it acceptable to the nation ; perhaps the the towns in the country objected to giviim omen to ste least trouble would be to withdraw it and introduce a mould body ti tax them. He hoped the noble lad sa e new bill. abandon that pan of the bill which placed the tonal W!' Mr. J. STEWART said that before the home went into the control ot the central board of London, and he see:. committee they ought thoroughly to understand the princi- depend upor it that the towns would theaelves, it Or 0 • Mee by which the committee was to be gar- led. The pniiti- rosary power was given to them, do all that was r quire . • tile of centralisetion, for instance, so tar - from being nec.s- RUSSELL remarked that nine - tenths of tete • sary to this bill, would ruin ay wafture on the subject ; eastakeu up is giving those powers to local bodieeellie ll . and he hoped that the noble lord who had introduced the hon. so utleeian wished tor. It was srue that oar faro bill would be led to entertain this view. It was must ote the bill relerred to the estiffilieement of a centralf o jotionable that any thrs e men in London thould be invested (Hear, hear .) But he thought it far better that Otte * with mover to overrule all the local authorities in the king- ton or the committee sheuld be directed tu the ogee dom. The power given to the privy council of repealiog whether the plan proposed by the Fiortrantenr, or th5!„ ... , 4° local sets relating to drainage was also highly objectioniable. noble lord the member for Falkirk , should be erwi" These were the two points which presented ouse going rather theism discussing the question of centralimume i into committee on the bill ; and it was, t too mint • • I Mr. BROTIIERTON supports d the bill. The bass' far the noble lord (Moreeth) to chap those who insists t pubic Ler fur Sunderland had admitted that tee corpora l !. on these points with an intention to obstruct the pu • Yot li *shish had a lull new act, had not the power . business, lie (Mr. Stewart) should think it most um ~ ' . ta if . to ahtt es fair to be called an opeonent of the public health turu:u""Dg"4" a which had 'p_3 he und„lottlY7, bill ; early in the session, he had made an offer to the noble m t those;to wns lord who conducted the bill to discuss its provisions in pro • atter aew words Mr . from li n t o osts L i d Mr. BOO sate ; end some i nterviews had taken place, but they had committee divided. . split on the two points he had alluded to. He believed Mr. For the retention of the words ........ 240-10 Chadwick to be an industrious and meritorious individual ; For the amendment .................. 71 ..., meal!' and much turned on the degree of credence to be attached to Mr. URQU HART had presented a petition, em - e, 0 1 .. his evidnce. He had collected evidence on eleven points, the medic o men ot Stafford and a large n u m ber ....e s . dbe Ow' all directed to the expediency of a central authority, and the habitants of the boreugh, against the bill, au _ so inefficiency of local authority. One question asked was, how the part of his constituents the same exception 1 01 101 far there were individuals in any town in Great Betsin fit hoe admitted in the case of London. lie viould sort to be entrusted wth sanitary work, or with imposing and Stafford be e xempted. emes o cutlectiug rates; and tee answers were given in a report of Col. SI.BTHORP said that the hon. gent' _e s the e sub -committee of the Health of Towns Association , an exemption in favour of Sta ff ord; he for Ms arta: Visct. MORPET 11.-1 think I ought to nay that, to the an , eem poen in favour of Lincoln. If the War: rk best of my belief, Mr. Chadwick has had no concern what- atilious ale eat cleaoing, let them set to we . _ ever with that publication. to usury bench they would fled the e b b di , net _' s e Marm Mr. STEWART believed the noble lord would find he hear th content. (Leughter.) He wormy ; r te . Air. WAS a little mistaken in that matter ; for he had resmived the purity of the city o f Lincoln; he had rcprese en pamphlet from a government officer, who had sent it to him thee twenty years by the unbouseit refugee ot t ie te ft 00 to convince him of his error in opposing centraliestion. The and he warted fur it as full a right to be d answers to those questions in 49 towns out of 50 were els seeing care as the slit of • London Of the cif! elated ette "None'"-in 'elect, th at in those towns, even in the City of miuster. which the noble lord was iutim . . London inelf, there was not a single in de and mirth • dividual ht to be en- inn from the operation of his so cru de me trusted with santary work, or (Laughter mposing and col- sure. The whole thing was a miserable, see es .. lecting f o rtes rates for the purpowe. .) This was too got up as a mode of feeding a pack of 110 lent brit the absurd for argument. It could not be supposed that the tenet dependents, who had no resource people of Englana woule ever submit to the extraordinary the people. AO powers proposed to he given to the central board and N ocount INGESTRE had a perfeet loon .._, a kieg.... alelioe, wv. to the privy council. All private acts were to be placed at ford, and he might Minot say of all its pop 1 \ k the mercy of this be ; and commisaioners, he understood. could hear hie testimony that he a s had already been appointed to make inquiry as to the open, morally or physically, required a more dotage Hon of these 'cue He approved of suit taquiry, but de- ( Laughter.) cidedly objected to the centralisation to which tt we s pro- Mr. UAW:HAAT withdiew his amcredneent . timed to lead. Let government cam nt to modify eh e t deic- Clause 1 was then agreed to. . eetaiec e me tionnble centralisation chum*, and the house woe el ce Soto lhe CHAIIIM xX rep.ntrd prdr, es and o committee forthwih. Toe him. memesr ter to f 'rehire sit amin on 'Thurolay. eMr, li ce Wed very properly etisgmte4 that the bill Tao boa. auliourned it a Tarter* , rem e'elodk Vitt 0 Ile mails for British North i$ Val be made op oaths evening e 4 The West bulls Ka* mho_ -• Honduras, New Orlwo, Vera Cr r Winding lbw for Madeira, L. 4314,111, Panama, West Coast of yrkeengua, will be made up on th. Ilse malls for Vlgo, Oporto, Lb • vritli be made up on the mornW/ t The overland mails tel (libretto mapt, Ade m ade ylon, iOll4l, j sonibw . l ll be up on the morn, omiand closed mails, via Al Paypt, Aden, Ceylon. India, lion.•• evening of the 24th May. The malls for New South Ws Zen/end will be made up on the e • The mills for the West "."3,aist o" ep ea the evening of the 31st Mc* His mails (or the brasiis, Ors I • bow Bahia, Matleirs, and burn , evening of the 3rd June. NOTICE TO A The number of STAMPS 81=1).0111m, during 1847, 1' t DAILY NEWS was.. • This, we believe, is withit. lotted to the Morning He' Morning Post, ALL PUT TO In addition to the above, Morning Paper, there wen THE EXPRESS .... . --- Which eras more, we bel e• the Globe or Standard. BIT .1 SION 14 AUK A[ Two flow— 14Morelos. II 010. onl To LONDON, TUI? THE reform movement strength. It is in the n animates men in manses, s'. and assumes more or less h In the rural districts met quent contact—opinion h- 1 the proximity and watcl.f• fal individuals, less prompt populations of Birmingh numerous other towns in between Trent and Tyne and unaninmusly, numer. and adhesion are audib' e duals as far south as Devo Aberdeen. In the Hou estimate of the number of with the movement in.• not less than a hundrer . Of still more cons q. the numbers of avo•v went is the growin; with which their plat expressed in private co been anticipated, there ference in the plane w.iic am*. But the views public meetings have - the discordant voices ha firmer sound. Men • their private speculeio unprofitable controve:si opinion pointed in the d and efficient measure, li theoretical precision lay The changes in the el by the parties who have reformers of the enfranc. classes are : —Trienn lel frage ; electoral districts by ballot ; abolition of present required in me. land and Ireland; and . neratioa to repreeentati four the expression o decided. The fifth at some meetings, have been raised aga diffidently hinted at tha It is easy to account more peremptorily claim mente have been a the tion of the common ty Septennial Act; house• familiar idea with the and importance of sec paratively little attcnti. of 1831 was brought i. dinal point with none gent and active, class • the Westminster .R tie experience of every e place has added the principle. To en eleetors the ballot i. n• mast be numerous. A• any abstract idea of . aetly to population. h pretty extensive elm . eyes of the public. mind is made up. : even those who at ' tions of too bold a ch with and reconcile much seriousoppositi ranks of reform to th property qualificat o. What is want ed is any chance of o of strict logics. tion that will en-a who ask for refo citizens who, hay n. selfish administr , .to administrators va. work mainly wit). House of Comr o. apt instrument House of Comm() has been approNt , this end. In demon attention is apt to which prevail at el and demoralising i the constitution •.f which would rc ad obtaining good Fl toxication, and were not Kati very limited el and still more t. constituencies c - 1 ' to them, the lio eentation of the g There is in thi• class composed 0, landowners, an,• t are constantly tile, clerical, 1..,, whom ability ,r and distincti , t ion of our body into constit sometimes by 1 ri also by more v, n general electiot s i's own memb against this ab.L. and the value or of reform dept a. abuse. The first qn of the theory of selves, at Fe. is likely to gave represent the g. the governing 1841, we find t Britain and he 6,752,113 Mitt and 4,775,63.. must be made for those that in return, some number of at: years of age recognise as t ante must also than one inde leave little d, would give us of the whole upwards. T. all classes it as they beat tion of the ensured by t adequate ex t this electoral i‘nd. wishes _______l.-J MA F. I