The Express. — London, England, 1848-08-19 00:00:00

T "ABLES. setiviaand the afternoon booming fine, the demand subsided: Prevented by easterly wind' during the greater part of the week, we kayo scarcely any arrivals of grain to report, be• pond 2,835 qutrtcrs of Wheat from abroad ; and the stocks generally iu the granaries of this place b ein g comparatively light, a limited airplay only of samples was exhibited at our Corn Exchange to day; but although the market was tolerably well attended ay English, and several Irish buyers appeared, the great improvement in the weather this morn ing gave a decided check to further extensive operations for the moment ; in free Wheats, however, sales upon a moder ate scale were effected at an advance of 2d., and those in band were 3d. par 701 b. dearer, s.veral parcls of which were bought for Irelaud.-Irieh and American Flour, though not in lively request, realised Is. per seek and Is. per barrel over Tuesday's rates. Barley, being more saleable, was held on rather higher terms, and Malt steadily maintained late prices. Beans and Peas, meeting a fair demand, improved ls. per qr. Oats commanded Id. per 41ilbs., and Oatmeal 6 d. per e load, above oar last quotations, at which both attracted a tolerable share of attention. The demand for Indian Corn for oen samption having materially abated, the traneacticms in this article to-day were principally limited to speculative pur chasers, who b night much less freely than yesterday, at 3s. per qr. over the annexed currency. Indian Ideal in fair re quest, at au advance of Is. per barrel. Duty on foreign Wheat is redu-el to Si. per qr., and on Flour to 45 . Old. per barrel. ArTIV2III from the 15th to the 17th August, in clusive. into Livetpool : -Wheat, 2,811 qrs.; Barky, 10 Malt, ; Oats, 2.30; Beans, 400; Oatmeal, 3 ; Flour, 875 auks. RIPON, August 17.-We had a fair supply at this day's market. ;Nat freely taken up, at full 2s. per qr. above last week's currency. In other grain, no alteration. Wheat, 6e. 63. to 7.. 3.1. ; Beans, 4s. 6.1 to ss. 3d. per bushel ; Barley, nominal; o.ea, 245. to 255. SCARI101:01 Olt, August 17.-We had a limited quantity of grain en etl's r. Whi at sells at an advance of 2s. to 3s. per qr. In !1:::^y little doing. Oats sell freely at Id. per etcne advance. Ittflicrs are unwilling to sell flour at previous prices, an 1 the dealers are equally unwilling to give. any ad vance. The eeceunts in this neighbeurhoed of the disease in potatoes come iecreasingly more unfavourable. The late crops exhibit unmistakable symptoms of decay. Wheat, 6s. fel. to 7s. per 5 stones. Barley, 303. to 325. per qr. of 32 stone. Oats, hal. to :01d. per stone. Superfine Flour, 425. to 430. per sack of 20 stone; seconds, 37.. to Ms. Sorry AMPTON, August 18.-Wheat must be quoted fully 2s. to 4e, per quarter dearer at this day's market than last week. Barley in request, at last week's prices. Oats and Beans have an upward tendency. August 17.-In price sales were effected at last week's terms. The sample loads put down were fewer than usual, bus the demand good, the wetness of the wea ther Mewing sales. Ten samples of new 'iS were shown, b. ing the find of this year's growth ; the quality aril yield geed. Old Wheat, per loa d, 144 q uarts, front 3.55. to 38s. ; new, 325. to Me. 61. For Oats uo advance was made ; a limited supply, and steady sales, at 17e. 61. to 20s. per 192 clouts new Oats realised 19s. to 21s. per do. Potatoes made 31 to Id. per stone. WAKEFIELD, August 18.-The weather this week in this district has been on the whole favourable for reaping, though ci. ude, little rain has fallen ; there is, however, a very sisal portion of grain yet secured. To-day it is fine, and barometer risiog. Our arnvals of Wheat is again large, the millers arc not free buy ea, but millers show firmness and an advance of 2s. rer qr. is obtained. Barley fully as dear. Oats and Shelling rather higher. ;Arens have improved in valets ls per qt.:titer. Malt is in mote request, and prices are looking upwards. Other articles as beton*. The tollow.ng are the prices Wheat, per qr., 601bs. to the bashel, Suffolk, Essex, and Kent, red. new, ols. to 545.; extra, Oda ; white, 535. to 575.; extra, 60s. Norfolk and Hunts, reel, 49'. to 515.; extra, 535. ; white, 495. to 525. ; extra, 565. Lincolnshire and Cembridgeskire, red, 47a. to 505.; extra, 5 s ; white, 49e. to Ns. ; extra, 565. ; Yorkshire, red, 495. to 51s. : extra, 53 e.; white, 50s. to 525.; extra, Jae. ; Dautzie and Konigsberg, white, 60e. to 535. ; ex. tea, 575. • Lower Baltic and Hamburg. red , 50 s. to 515. ; extra, 51s. M editerranean, red, 375. to Ile.; extra, 465.; old, red, 451. to 50f. ; extra, 545. Barley, per qr. imperial, grind ing, 28s. to 295.; foreign, 28s. to 29a; e xtra, 305. Beans, per quarter, 63115. to the bushel, small, fine, new, 365. to Ms.; extra, 39r.; Ticks. new, 345. to 365.; extra, 375.; foreign, new, 335. to 3.53. Oats, .per stone, mewling, ltd. to 11 id. ; extra, 121 ; feeding, 111. to 111(1.; extra, 121. - foreign, Pd. to 1111.; extra, 12d. Shelling, per load of 2611b5., 27e. to 28e.; extra, 29e. Malt, per load of 6 • buseels, 39e. to 40e. ; extra, 415. l'eas, per imp. qr., blue and white boiler., 325. to 345. ; extra, 365. ; prey and feel, 31.. to 345. ; extra, 355. Rapeseed, per last imp., English, 241. to 261.; Foreign, 24/. to 201. Linseed, per imp. qr., 325. to 403. WIS:TZUAVEN, August 17.-The supplies rncrally were limited; the demand brisk, and, riewithstandiest the stormy weather, a good attendance, reaay sales being completed at enhanced quotations of from fel. to Is. per bushel for samples of top sort; of NV hest. In the Wheat trade there have been, since last market, two limited importations of Scotch W heat . In Barley If °thing can be reported, and Oats the same. The currency was quoted at 245. 6d. for really superior qualities of When.; 215.61 . for inferior kiwis. Barley remained at Its. fad. to 12s. fed. per bushel. Oats selling at Bs. 61 . to 9 s. Flour, last, made 4d. per stone ; middling, Is. 2d.; se condary kinds, Is. There seas one sample el new Wheat shriven to-dsy, the first here this season ; good in quality, but soft. It f‘ cares( cl that the crop will yield eighteen Cum berland bushels per acres, a quantity which is meet sur prising, and formed the general topic of remark throughout the market. The sample alluded to sold for 20s. per bushel. HOPS.—WoncEsTER, August 18.—The unsettled state of the weather up to yesterday hat very much retarded the progress of the Hop plantations ; and, unless it is in some early warm grounds, the plant has been quite at a stand-still. The duty is still coiled 18,009/., and, should the weather be come mere favourable, which there is an appearauce of this morning, it may he realized. The market is C.. to &s. dearer from tn. lowest time. WOOL—BRADFORD, August 17.—There has been rather less doing in e.webing o A-, and hopes of gettiog higher price. c..nnot now be realised. Noils anti brokts are not plentiful, and command good prices. Yog', August 17.—At this market the supply of long and moor NI Joie was g0 , ..11, and the attendance of buyers was Tory fair, and nearly the whole was sold. All-Hog, good, 105. 9d. to I Is. ; half-Hoz and half-Ewe, 10s. to 10s. 6d. ; Cheviot Hog, fine, lb to lb. 3d. ; locks and cots, Gs. 3d. to Gs. 91. ; moor Wool, 5.. 3d. to &s. 92. per stone. We understand there will be a na..rl:et next week, on account of its being the race week. HAY.—SMITHFIELD, poor Clock.—Meens. Cooper and Davis report the supply short, and but very little trade, at the following quotations Primo : , Icadorr to.. to 75,.. I R01m... ,91, so 581 NorClorerPritoPOr In , vrior t.l el Clover tolOvo 24,. w Ye-. ..... . CATTLE, &c.—Deans, August 15.—Our market PM not so well supplied as on the previous Tuesday, as re gards fat Cattle, but goad things were bought up directly, whilst many of the middling description went away unsol I. We had a fair quantity of Lambs and Sheep, and a good de mand. Piga were plentiful, and well sold. Beef made from sd. to Gd. ; Mutton, 6d. to 7d.; Lamb, M. to 71. per lb. Pigs, 9s. to 93. GI. per score. Veal, sd. to Gd. per lb. Rough fat, 45. per stone. LANSDOWN FAIR, August 17.—This fair drew a large concourse of e erfuos together, quite as many pleasure-seekers as those bent on bmm,:s•. The show of fat Beasts was small, and soil at from 10s. to 104. 91. per score. Fat Sheep were scarce, and the best Skimp. realised 7d. ; Ewes and middling Sheep, 611. per lb. Half Leiceaters, half Southdown. were sold at 28s. per bead. There was a large supply of Horses, and good oucs sold well, but inferior ones met with but few purchasers. There eves a tine show of Devonshire Oxen, which sold at high rrices, grass being abundant. Sciatuouocou, August 17.—We had en avenge supply a stock in our market, and a stood hisineu was effected of recent qu tatious. Bacon and Pork Pigs sold at 71. to 75. 3d. per stone; Llnab,7,l. to WI Beef, 7d. to Bd. Mutton, 7d. to 81.; Veal, 7d. to Bd. YORK FORTNIGHT FAIR, Augutt 17.—We had a good supply of fat Beasts, which sold readily at from 6s. to 6s. Gd. per stone, the market being well attended with buyers. A small supply of Sheep and Lambs mat with good sale at from 6.1. to 61d. per lb. A thin show of lean Beau sold at better prices. COVENT GARDEN.—This Morning.—The mar ket is well supplied with Vegetables and most kinds of Fruit. English Pine-apples aro plentiful ; foreign ones are less abundvnt. Hothouse Grapes, Pinches, and Nectarines are plentiful. Melons are sufficient for the demand. Cherries, except Morllos, are over. Plums aro offered at from fix. to 83. per half-sieve. Large importations of Plums and Pears have arrived from the Continent during he week. Cumntsare dearer. Apricots may he obtained at Jest week's prices. Nuts are sufficient for the demand. Oranges are abundant : Lemons moderately plentiful. Among Ve eatables, Carrots and Turnips are abundant and good ; Cauliflowers, &0., sufficient for the demand. Asps ragus is all but over. French Beans very plentiful. Potatoes the snme, but diseased. Peas are a little dearer. Lettuces and other salading are sufficient for the demand. Mush rooms are plentiful. Cut Flowers consist of Heaths, Pelargoniums, Gardenia', Fuchsias, Carnations, Moss and other Rom. FRUITS. Pine Apple. per 11, 4. to Gt l/ratteca, per 120, Be t 026. (trap" Are, pa lb., 1461 tots bitter, per IVO. ds to 16a Nacho, par dos ., lie to Le. Lemon., per doz., le to Co Neetatincs, tar dor., 6. to 161 tee 100. an to 260 2.1 to Almond., per pock, G. Plums, for puritot, 1.6,1 tots 6d per lb., Ss to 3e Apricots, larder., 2. to 4. Walmit,, per bta-h., 124 to 20. Cloarimi, per lb., od Loa, Cuu, haremlona, per b., 20. to M. Apples, do,..mt, per laph., 4o to ie Eilherte, per 1001ba, Mato Vs —kits hen, ditto. 3. to 6. per lOjilo., 2.5. to Mk Curranta, per half , ioc, 4, to 6. itra/11, per 1m.41., 12, to IG. luspherrie., per punnet, 6.1 Ikl CheaUtue., 3e to ea per pock pur duao VECIET • Cablogor, her dna, Cate 14 (k.uliflouer., per dos., 1. to 44 it irrel, per ball—Jere, tid p. Ott Potatoes, for tog tin to P.M perewt,3s tkl to 6. —p.r 1..e.he1, 1. Gil to 3,4 Turnip.. to butvli, 44 to G 1 Rod Ikait, l ardor., GI to 1. Radl,k, peer Paella 1. to Co French Luau., per halt oloro. L. to Se Cucumber., cad., Sd to 0.1 per punch,moi ld to 2.1 Meker. porllle, 01. G 1 Carrot., per bunch, 3d t to ed 11Ploach, PUT 4411 , 0, in to Co rum, per dc,, 3,1 to Ca Dem% per I,e.itel, 2. to Cd Marjoram, par lomat, iG o GI Unions par hunch, 3d to GI kipau/.4.„ per dos. Is W ts Ice Yotensays Unpin,., pickling, per half Am. Ss 3t ToordocA, per punnet, is to Is 6d otedios, per bunch, 3.1 to 4d Carbc, per lb., ed W le per dor. hands. 64 to le rump dn.,94 to is Artichok.,, per dos., la &I to Is Veectable 11/1.09F, perdce., 61 tole Lettuce, Cab., per sours, 44 W le Coo., isrr SONO, NI to Is 3d Mushroom.% i r pottle, Is to is 6l er bushel, ts to 6s Pmall &Wm, 24 to 3,1 Frond, per bunch, 2.1 to 34 Sovory, pur bunch, 34 to 41 Thyrno, per bunch, 3d to 44 cbun.,Cd told PorAc,e, per MI6-store, 6d to 94 per band., 1. 1., 13 Col Mut, green, per bunch, 24 to 4d trAtil tee lase page. 'EKIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDEL—Faumi. Atm. 18. The Logy Cituemenion took his seat at 6 o'clock. PUBLIC BUSINESS. SECOND UISADINO9.-lurapike Acts. Co tinuanae ; Tithe Rent thou, he. (No. 2) (Ireland); Steam Nultatioe; Aiweedcweele Manors Coo aileioners (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster); Bo reactislnourpueauoa ; Psy ; Farmers'ElW Seeley (irtiene); BBL. COMMlTlEBe.—lnsolvent Debtors Conn; Money Order lie (Past-olti,e); Register* of Segues (Scotland); Court f Juni. Clary (Soothed); Ms. PETITION. —By Lord REDESDALE, from Ashton-under-Lynes against the Boroughs Incorperatiou AFFAIRS OF ITALY. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE understood that the noble and learned lard (Brougham) intended to move for a document, dated 27th Sept., 1947, being a copy of the An swer of the Austrian government to Lord Palmerston on the subject of the interference by Austria is the affairs of Sar dinia. Now he begged to say that he had not the least ob jection to lay that paper on the table, or any others which might bo necessary to elucidate the whole subject. Lord BROUGHAM mkt that was just what he expected from the well-known candour of his noble friend. He had seen the answer, and was sure it would be found to be a satisfactory explanation of the conduct of Austria with refer ence to Sardinia; but he thought it desirable, with regard to our relation with the north of Italy, with France, and for the general peace of Europe, that the explanation of Austria should be known, because it proved that she had throughout respected the independence of Sardinia, which was, in tact, her ally as well as our own. The noble and learned lord proceeded to contend that it was the iw treat of this country that Austria should retain her possessions in Italy, and ridiculed the idea of an Italian federal govern ment, the states of that peninsula bane, as Dante had de. scribed them, ax hostile to each other as they were diverse in language, habits, and feelings. It might suit the purpoie of the politicians of the French Wet to contend that Austria should be weak; but it certainly was not the interest of this country to so tier so. Railetski had shown himself as moderate in victory as he had been enduring under defeat. lie had refused to enter the Piedmontese territory, being content to remain in Austrian Italy, whilst Charles Albert had Mimi within his own dominions, which he sever ought to have quitted. If we interfered is favour of Italian nationality opine Austria, had we no fear of sympathisers in Canada, Ire land, and India ? Charles Albert was as much a foreigner as the Emperor of Austria ; the house of Savoy held Pied mont by treaty, obtained not by conquest but by fraud. Charles Albert held Limnos by the treaty of Vienna, and that treaty he hail violated by his invasion of the Austrian territories. We were not called upon then to interfere on behalf of that monarch : and we surely need not do so oa say other grourd, because the Austrian yoke, as it was tailed, was really a blessing to the Lembardians, for Austria annually expended 2,500,0001. —equal to 5,00,0001. in this country—on ouhlic establishments, principally schools, in Lombardy. lie hoped nothing would happen to prevent the success of the present negotiations. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE entirely concurred in thinking that the answer of Prince Metternich to Lard Pal m rotors, to the despatch referred to of the 27th Sept., 1847, was satisfactory as to the intentions of the government of Austria. When that despatch of Lord Palmerston's was written, a general apprehension, not confined to Italy, had prevailed that there might be a disposition on the part of Austria to interte:e with those reforms which were about to be elev. loped in every state of Italy : and it certainly was then most desirable to obtain a declaration on the part of Austria that she would not interfere* and the despatch of Prince Metternich was most satisfactory; as far as en expression of opinion went. The part which the British government had taken, and the principle which had guided their conduct throughout, had not been a desire, as noble lords seem: d to imagine, to interfere in the affairs of Lombardy ; on the contrary, they had only shown a readiness to do so whn called on by our allies, having no other object in such interference but the preservation of European peace brat)—and the motives and objects of the British goveriimanr, he had the satisfaction to believe, had been appreciated by those allies. The noble and learned lord seemed to think that the British government had utinecosa rily interfered with the affairs of Lombardy , _• but, he re peated, they had only acted the part of a mediator when requested to do so by our allies. The British government had every reason to balievo that the French government had entered on such mediation in the same spirit as England, and in perfect good faith, the mutual object Ling to prevent a war which would involve the whale of Europe. (Hear.) The motion (alter a few words from Lord Mem:item in rep))) was agreed to. FARMERS' ESTATE (IRELAND) BILL. The Earl of DEVON moved the second rending of this bill, and explained its object to be to facilitate the sale of land, and to enable persons of mall capital to obtain farms. Lord BEAUMONT objected to the bill because it would create not only a smell but insolvent proprietary. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE nail that the bill certainly involved an unusual principle ; but it was :slid for by the peculiar position of Ireland ; and although, like every other measure, it might bo open to some objection, it would, he was certain, confer muclapractical advantage upon Ireland, The Earl of DhSART objected to some of the clauses, especially that which gave the power to evict, and entitled the evicted tenants to compensation. The Earl of RODEN bi tiered the bill would add to the ' evils arising from the subdivision of land into small holdings, and increase the amount of pauperism in Ireland. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE, in supporting the mea sure, said, that while he bad always bceu of opinion that without the power to remove bad tenepte it was impossible to improve property in Ireland, be thought, where tenants we re evicted for the purposes of improvemen., it was but reasonable that they should be fairly compensated. Lord MONTEAOLE supported the principle of the bill, but intimated that be should propose same amendments in committee. Lord REDESDALE suggested that tho power of pur• chasing land should be limited to 20 years. He thought, too, there would be a practical eitliculty in workieg the clause which limited the allotmente. The Earl of GLENG ALL, be:ieeing that the bill could nester be brought practically into operation, would not oppose it. The great evil in Ireland was the tendency to subdivide holdings, which, when leases were granted, it was impossible —take what precautions you might—to prevent. The hill was then read a second time. , Their lordships adjourned at 8 o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, Auo. 18. The Brzes-vit took the chair at 12 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. REPORT.—City of London Sewers Bill. THIRD READINGS.—Jervis i o Divorce ; Lngard'e Divoree; LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED.--Mancheracr, Buxton, Matlock, and Midlands Junction Railway (d S ev S iation and branches) Bill. PUB BINE. PETITIONS.—Mr. HUME, from Odd Fellows of Middleton and Hey wood, Lancaohire, ugainst the Provident &Menu Bill ; from inhabit ants of South% old, Suffolk, complaining of encroachment,' on the har bour; from (mai@ Householders of Edinburgh, complaining of the royalty tax, which Is paid for the maintenance of the establisher. church ; irons the editor of the North BMW, Mat, complaining of his property being seived, and praying (er an inquiry.—Mr. AN DER. SON, from Orkney, praying for compensation to certain seamen on that port.—Mr. G. CRAW, from an individual whose name was oat heard, complaining of a charge of high treason being vexatiously pre , famed against him.—Lord U. STUART, from Odd Fellows, praying fire the extension of the benefit society laws to their order. ' COMMlTTEE.—Wolverhampton Curacy Bill. REPORT.— Controverted Elections BBL THIRD READlNGS.—Eccleshatical Patronage Suits Compromise (Ireland) ; C0U11110124 tack - sore (N 0.2); Petty Bog tea. Offices ; Bilks NOTICES OP MOTION.—Ton °savors—Mr. ANDERSON, early next scaslon, to move for the appointment of a selmt committe. to inquire into certain grievances under which the inhabitants 0 the,e is:ands labour. 601,11W0L1, (HOME, to more for a oommitteeto inquire info the encroachments ou this harbour. SUPPLY.—MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES. The house then went into committee of supply, and the following votes were agreed to : 1,0001. for law charges and incidental expenses in the office of the solicitor to the treasury. 4,6001. for Mint prosecutions. 6.0001. for sheriffs' expenses and deficiency of feu. 10,6301., salaries and expenses of insolvent commissioners. 33,4751. for law expenses in Scotland. 46,9911. for expenses of criminal prosecutions in Ireland. 348,0001. for charges formerly paid out of the county rate. 6,1 , 151. for the Parkhurst prison. 9.2041. for the Pentonville prison. 29,3141. for the Millbank prison. 4,7071. for the Perth prison. 6791. for the convict depot at Dublin. 4,2021., expenses of Bethlehem Hospital. 10,2501, salaries and expenses of mepectors of prisons in Scotland and Ireland. 151,0001. for the convict establishments at home, at Bari muds, and at Gibraltar. In answer to Mr. Heim, as to what was to be done with the convicts at home, Sir G. GREY was understood to say, that there were some alterations in contemplation. Cal. DUNNE said the number of convicts in the county gaols in Ireland last year was so great that fever had ensum.t. Sir 0. GREY said the increase of convicts had nor arises so much from the alteration in the system of transptrtatior as from the iiicreue in the number of pereone convicted. But arrangements were in progreu for remeebing the evie com plained of. Mr. OSBORNE said it was clearly established that the discuntinuance;of transportation had had a most demoraligne effect on the gaols. The reports of their condition were most shocking. Sir 0. GREVB reply was not heard in the gallery. Mr. OSBORNE complained of lunatics being kept in the gaols in Ireland. Sir G. GREY said:this was owing to the absence of proper lunatic asylums in Ireland. Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood to hold out hopes of relief from Rome measure that was in contemplation. Mr. HUME referred to Cart. Maconochie's system, and said it was impossible to reform prisoners when gathered together in 'area bodies. Mr. POW Eft complained of the inconvenience resulting from the over crowding of the gaols in Ireland. Sir G. GREY said the visiting justices had the sole con trol of the gaols. Sir D. NORREYS referred to a can where some indivi duals had committed a larceny, for the sake of getting trans ferred from the workhouse to the gaol, on account of the superior dietary of the latter. 16,3001, for the metropolitan police establishment. 217,0001. convict establishments in New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land. NATIONAL EDUCATION. On a vete of 125,000/. for public education being propoaed, Viscount MSLOUND said he had placed on the paper the following resolutions: not, until of late yearn persona of every denomination were in the habit of rending their children to the national established 'cheats of **Aland, without prejudge to the religious principles of any. That, THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, AUGUST 19, 1848, ',quit .asseale be offered to .free exleeeine en= w on w the part ef elg sellen ilumtion i glmpaltaisserld.= l" : , == 2 this evil. 11tH, to Sae Is Younns so OM the decocts:a approve el the priiipisi wk lb* ass efe. in to been pactually brought Into a . it tag iwid wiser to leapt initit9tlOn4 the of the times than to introduce new ones, and as tt is Inexpiellsat to throw new burdens upon the general taxation of the country ' it la therefore the opinion of this bouso that an opportunity should be afforded to parliament to consider whether by measure* founded upon the caul, WhW usages of loco taxation, upon the further admission of the ele ments of popular control, and upon the acknowledgment of the equal rights of persons of almaligious persuaalon, the ancient whool estab liihmt of Wetland y not be made available to the wants of the Ce k encient school establishment of Scotland, he observed, wee at one time adequate to the wants of the population. In proof of this, he quoted some retina, the particu'are of which were not heard in the gallery, and woe underetood to contend that the ancient system might again be made avail able. He expressed his belief that there was a general desire for education on the part of the people, without reference to religious distinctions. In conclusion, ho stated that he should not bring forward any resolution on the subject, but he hoped the government would take the matter into oousi deratioa, with a view to something being done. Mr. H. DRUMMOND thought it absolutely necessary that all religious tests whatever should he taken away Irons our educational institutions. He referred to the univenitios as well as the parochial school.. (Hear.) They tad been established to give education to all ; and if they no longer did so, their constitution ought to bo altered by the strong arm of the la.. was to bring them Into harmony with the circumstances of the times. (Hear.) For many years he had been a supporter of schools of all kinds ; and his ex perience led him to the couclusihn that there was a great differeoce between education and instruction. The ',ter now taking by the government were leading towards the trench system, which was a perfect tyranny. Sir G. GREY assured the noble lord behind him (Viscount lelgund) teat the subject he had brought before the house would receive due attention from the government. It was a mistake to suppose that the government system encouraged sectarian schools; all it did was to distribute its aseisuutee with an impartial hand. (Hear.) 11l the next mein:, when the estimates would be brought leeward earlier, the subject could bo more fully entered into. Mr. F. SCOTT spoke in favour of th:' parochial eeta',li-h -ment in Scotland, but observed th it the remuneration to the teachers was in many eases inadequate. Mr. DUNCAN tool that Scotland was indebted for its present positicn to the education which was imparted to too people in the parochial schools. This LORD ADVOCATE th ught the motion of the noble lord (Melgund) would have been of great service to Scotland had the occasion been oco when the subject could have been hilly gone into. Mr. EWAItT hoped that, in the next cession, everything of an educational character, including museums, schools of design, and so forth, would be brought under review of the government. Sir E. COLEBROOK thought it perfectly competent to the house to object to a constantly in. mooing grant for edu cational purposes, without eeeieg that the parochial system was properly carried out, by remedying the exclusive char- teeter of the exi•tiog schools. Sir It. INGLIS deprecated the abolition of tests for schuo:masters, se tending to the removal of tests from the uuivereitire. Mr. HENLEY wkhed to know in what state was the qu.stion between the committee iA educattiou and the National Society Schools, in relation to the management of those schools? Sir G. GREY suid the ro was a correspondence in program on this subject between the committee of education and the Archbishop of Csnterhury as president of the National, Society, and he had reason to hope toot this correspondence wound result iu a modffication of the strict rules upon wnich the society had hitherto acted in relation to the admission of I lay memhers of the church to a share in the administration of the funds of the society. (Hear, hear.) Mr. OL.aDSTONE i spressed his great satisfaction at the expectation thus authoritatively hell out of a modification of the management clauses. The great complaint bad hitherto been on the part of the great body of the clergy, that they could nut get the laity to take part in the extension of the schools. Lord .1. ItUSSELL Pahl that the difficulties in this matte. had not originated with the present government, and indeed were difficulties arising rather out of the complications of the question. He had every expectation, however, that the cor respondence to which his right hon. friend had adserted would remove these difficulties. Mr. URQUHART considered that it was no part of the duty of the atate to provide state funds for the education of the people. Each community in the state should see to the education of its members by its own funds. Mr. W. BROWN, on the contrary, was anxious to see national education placed ou the broadest possible basis. care being taken that the spiritual instruction imparted shoull lie kept distinct from the secular instruction, which shout l !.e given to all the children of each school generally. Mr. WALLACE considered that the commissioners who had been appointed to inquire into the state of education in Wale', had, in the report which, with such mischievous effects, they bad pub fished, greatly exceeded their instruc tions. Ile vindicated the Welsh people from the charge of extreme immorality which the commissioners had brought against them. Sir JOHN WALSH concurred in the opinion that the commissioners had not exercised a very sound discretion in the sweeping censure they had passed upon the Welsh peo ple. Of his own khowleuge he was prepared to affirm that the statements of the commiaeioners, as to the profligacy of the Welsh, were altogether exaggerated. file. WILLIAMS said there was but one feeling through. out the principality, that the report of the commissioners was a mere libel. The fault. h , waver, was with the govern ment who had rent, to inquire into the state of education among a people, gentlemen who were wholly unacquainted with the laneuene of that people. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. GREY said that the low condition of education in Wales was very generally admitted. Ile was convinced that the commissioners had been actuated in their inquiries by the strictest impartia'ity. (Hear, hear.) K EItSIIA.W complained of the undue preference given in the administration of the e grants to the member , of the Church of S , gland, who, ho believed, enjoyed the benefit of full 39 ihths of the whole amount. Ia tact, the dissenters were almost excluded practically from the benefit of the grant. Mr. I'. WOOD raid that the voluntary principle was a very excellent principle, tut, left to itself, it would not do for the effectual promotion of education any more than it sufficed for the maintenance of the poor. Ile did not think that the dissenters had just reason to complain of the share they had in these grants. The grants accorded to them were infinitely more in proportion to the sums contributed by them than the grants made to the church schools. Mr. M. GIBSON raid that the cause of the complaint made by the hon. member for Stockport—namely, that dis senters' children were excluded from the benefits of the educational grant—before the committee wu perfectly true ; and it arose out of the circumstance that the system was based upon what was Maned the denominational system. This ought to be done away with. The vote was then agreed to. The sum of 25,0001. was next voted to defray the charge of enrolled pensioners. The house tarn resumed, and adjourned until 5 o'clock. The SI'EA.KEtt resumed the chair at a quarter attar five o'clock. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. A Messenger from the other house acquainted the Speaker that their lordships had agreed to the Commons' amend ments in certain bills. _ ' 'A7' , i DIEMEN'S LAND. In answer to Mr. EWART, Sir G. GREY said, it was not intended that transporta tion to Van Diemen's Land should be resumed and carried on as it had exibted before, or to resort to the system of chained gangs.--In answer to further questions, the right hon. baronet was understoed to say, that it was oot intended to make Van Diemen's Land a general receptacle for con victs, prior to their being distributed in other colonies. But regulations were in progress, of tho effect of which he could not now precisely speak. ODD FELLOWS. Lord D. STUART, in answer to • question from Dr. HOwalso, said he was doubtful whether to take up the bill sent down from the Lard*, the Provident Associations Fraud P lion Bill. It related to a large and influential body, the odd fellows, whose lodges numbered above 200.000 mem ben ; indeed, he believed there were many odd fellows in that house. (Great laughter.) It was a body of great int. penance, and one which tendril to the promotion of morality and good order. He should, therefore, have been anxious to press the bill which had been sent down from the Lords, had he believed that it would meet the wishes of the body generally ; but flailing fr m the communications which Lad been made to him that this was not the ease, he should move that the order for the committee on the bill, which stood for this day, should be discharged. The order was accordingly discharged. CHANCERY PROCEEDINGS REGULATION BILL AND CHARITY TRUST REGULATION BILL. In answer to Mr. Tuaxan ' Lord J. RUSSELL at eted that he Ind consulted the LordChaneellor on the subject, and found tha: be attached very great importance to the Charity 'lnuits Regulation Bill; and he had hoped that there would not be any serious appo sition to the bill being proceeded with. But as the hon. gentleman said it would require considerable discussion, a,.d was likely to occupy much time, he (Lord J. Russell) was not disposed to press it. (Lieu, hear.) With regard to the other bill, about which the hon. gentleman bed inquired, the Chancery Proceedings Regulation Bill, he had no hesitati in saying that it would be withdrawn. Mr. HUME hoped the last clause, at least, which con tained a most important provision, would be pressed. Lord J. RUSSELL sail that, at this period of the session, he could not undertake to prear through any measure of that kind, which he knew would give rise to groat discu-sion and opposition. AUSTRALIA. Mr. HAWES, in answer to Mr. F. Scott, said that he ' hoped to be able, early in the neat session, to lay on the table of the house a bill establishing a constitution in the Australian colonies. EVICTIONS IN IRELAND. Mr. P. SCROPE asked if government was in possession of any information as to some recent evictions, and the pulling down of 500 houses, in the county Mayo ? Sir W. SOMERVILLE replied in the negative, and said he did not think it was in the power of the government to lay before the house any information of an official nature; they had not the means of procuring official returns on this subject. DISEASED SHEEP. la answer to a question from Mr. WOORROTIBII, Mr. LABOUCHEEE stated that communication from our consuls abroad had been very recently received on the • tubject of diseased Ono. He had directei that the papers should be prepared, and they would immediately be laid en the table of the house. In answer to abetter remetioz, he stated that the hill on this subject, now before the house, tre served the rights of the City of London, but that would in no degree interfere with the jurisdiction conferred by this bill on the government in London and thewbere. MR. O'CONNOR AND THE LAND SCHEME. Mr. J. WILLIAMS Lela be had given notice of certain questions which he meant to put to the hon. member for Nottingham; but learning that those questions had been put on • former evening and satisfactorily answered, he would not repeat them, Ile wished, however, to ask the hon. member if it was true, as stated is the Examiner newepsper, that he derived a considerable profit frum printing the rules and regulations of the society ? (Order, order.) Mr. O'CONNOR teat, but The SPEAKEIt said the hon. and learned member ought not to answer the question. It was contrary to the rules of the house fo: any hon. member to put a question to another touching the profita he derived from any source. Mr, O'CONNOR persisted in saying that he hd not de rived, and could not derive , any profit that the s ource indi cated. VANCOUVER'S ISLAND. On the motion that tee Speaker shoeld leave the chair, to go into committie of supply, Mr. CIIRISTY codes to call the attention of the house to the prop se l grant of Vancouver's Liana to the nudeows Bty Company. He considered that bci,re any such grant was made to the company the claims of the settlers oug ht to be investigated. The compa n y 's charter bad been granted by Charles 11. in 1670. but their operations had only commenced in lee°. The honourable gentleman then proceeded to give • sketch of the mummys operations. Tee c o mpauy was established for trading purloins it was monop dining and restrictive in its proceeding., and as such was meet unfit to carry out a proper system of colonisation. They had but three vessels coming to the port of London, and the goods imported by them did not nio mat to mole than 30,0001. The settlers also coaailained that the circu lating medium consisted entirely of paper (with the exception of a small copper currency), pa) able in London only at sixty days after sight. No person coital hold land in the colony without binding himself to military and civil tervice for the defence of the company's extensive territories. lie could neither S4ll nor underlet the land without their especial per mission. No person could trade with any country, even England or America, without a license. 1.. was to such • company that the government held out hopes of giving the Island of Vancouver, which was likely to become in the course of time a place ol considerable importance. It was the only place which had good sheltered harbours up to the Rusdan territory. It was fertile in many places, and had the great advantage of pemeraing coal mince. It lay on the route to China from America, another circumstance of great in:aortance. For these reasons, and particularly be curse the Hudson's Boy Company was inimical to colonise. thin, he Is pee th, government would not grant them V.Ol - I-Inna till further inquiries at least had been insti lived, and till the charges which had been made against the company were refuted. Mr. HAWES wild that the facts of the case brought under the notice of the house by the hon. gentleman were these. As soon as he had been appointed to the office he held, many parties came forward and mani fest.' a desire to colonies Vancouver's Island. Several plans had been proposed, but it did nut appear that the parties who proposed them would be in any degree able to carry out the objects they had in view. It should be borne in mind that Vancouver's Blend was one of the most dis tant spots 03 the earth from this country, because to reach it trey must tail round Cape Born. It was lieu most expensive, and, therefore, was the least likely in the world to afford ad vantages for colotrisation. The Blame'. Bay Company had requested the ninth-west territory, including Vancouver s Island, but that wen it fits d. Subssipter VI, they . asked for Vancouver's Island. Now, what were the objections to this Grant ? In the fit.: place, • series of charges had ties brouget against their administration of the affairs of the ter. ritory by . Mr. Ids ear, a native of Itueert's Land. Ms noble friend at the head of the Colonial-office teought it his duty to have these charges inquired into, and for this purpose a communication had been lent to the Governor- General of Canada. Lord Elgin's answer, dated the GM of June, had been received. and he stated therein " the results of the inquiries I have hitherto made ar. , very favourable to the company, and they have left on my mind an impreesion that the authority they exercise is on the whole very clean. tageous to the Indiane' But his noble friend was not satire find with that, and he resolved to institute a still further in quiry. What were the other objections to the grant ? it should be remembered jhut tide was simply a territorial grunt ; let it also be remembered that the company possessed by charter the exclusive right of trading both with the na tive* o. the continent and those of the island, and that they dieuldhe taken into consideration in any plan of colonisation. But the grant was only territorial, the company would not govern the island. There was to be a governor and us assembly, in whose hands the collection and application of the revenues would be placed, and not in those of the llud son's Bey Company. In eatelnishine a constitution there would be great advantage in establishing it in counexion wish a company on the spot, a powerful company wl.o p.a sewed the exclusive right of trading with the na ivi s. They ..old not establish an independent colony without lare ' : eon tediutions of public money, or by means of private funds. He believed that most of the members of that home would agree with him that the presna was not the time for making large advances of the public money for the purpose of founding another colony, and no private indi viduals came forward to do so who would be ac II likely to carry out their object. But on the other hand, there were very strong reasons for occupying the island. (Hear, hear.) Unless occupied very speedily by them, it would be oecuped by others. (Hear, firer.) And there was besides the very important considers: tiara that the island possessed coal mines, which it was of advantage should be worked for the interests of British cam. Decree. lie did not think it likely that those mines could ler profitably worked by private individuals. If the island offered such advantages t e settlers as the hon. gentleman supposed, why did not private individualsattempt to colonise it? Under these eireumsuinces it was thought desir able to occupy the Wand and to obtain the aid of the Hudson's Bay Company. The charges brought against the company crated on the statement of an indi vidual; they were very imperfectly sustained by evidence, and they were distinctly refuted by the company. Colo,iel Crofton. who commanded a detachment for some time in Prince Rupert's Land, gee: • favourable opinion respecting the system of administration paretic d by the company, more especially as regarded their policy iu discountenancing the use of ardent spirits. With respect to spiritual comfort and edu cation, the re were four protestant churches and nine schools, four Roman catholic schools, a Roman catholic bishop, and several Roman catholic I.rieats in the Red River re ttlement ale ne, which contained a population of only 5,000. But although he considered that the charges against the com pany were not suetained, his noble friend thought that the whole question should be investigated by parties totally dis interested. A gentleman who held a commission in the Queen's army was appointed for this office. An HON. Mc meet.—ls he not governor under the Hud son's Bay Company? Mr. HAWES believed that was the case; but he did not consider that would have any influence upon the report of a gentleman of rank who held the Queen's commission. Taking into consideration the circumstances he hail stated, Ise th.sught his noble friend was fully justified in the course he had taken. Mr. GLADSTONE considered that the noble lord at the head of the Colonial-office had committed a gross error—that he had gone astray in his judgment more signally than in any other instance which he could recollect in the colonial administration of the country. (Hear.) elf what dill the speech of the hon. gentleman who defended the conduct of the Colonial-office consist ? Portly of an endeavour to make good the character of the Hudson's Bay Company, and partly of an endeavour to show that it was nemenary speedily to occupy Vancouver's Island, and that as the Hudson's Bay Company was the only instrument that offered itself for this purpose, it was right, in the absence of all others, to avail themselves of that. He (Mr. Gladstone) would grant the force of that argument if they could strew that the Iludsou's Bay Company was not open to funda mental objections. (Hear, hear.) But, on the other hand, if he could show that there were the most valid objections to .satins Vancouver's Island to the company, the necessity ' for • speedy occupation would ho no argument for granting it to them, for it would be better to proceed slowly and surely than speedily but rashly and mischievously. They were not then discassiug a question of a day or of a year, but ' aemestion relating to an island in which, probably, at some future period of the history of the world, a powerful state would exist, and which would command a great portion of the undo between the Archipelago of the Pacific and the con tinent of America. (Hear, hear.) The question, therefore, before them was, whether they would found a new and powerful state from the descendants of the people of Eng land, in an Wand which was favourably situated, which I possessed a climate somewhat analogous to our own, and which hail a considerable quantity of fertile soil ready for immediate use. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman did not deny that it possessed a large quantity of that valuable ' s mineral which was the necessary , food of steam navigation. I . It possessed a number of safe and commodious harbours—the I only good ones along the southern coast, except the harbour at the mouth of the Columbia river, which was rendered very unsafe by a bar that ran across. It was therefore probable that Vancouver's laud would be the key to a great portion of the trade with the west of America. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman asked why did not private individuals. at tempt to colonise it if it was so good ? One very good reason was that till 1846 there was a dispute concerning it, and it was not known whether it was to be American or British territory. (Hear, bear.) The honourable gentleman would also admit that the circumstances of the country since 18WG were not favourable to great commercial enterprises. But the hon. gentleman let slip a very unfortunate observa tion, which showed that the island was worth being emu pied, for be said that it this country did not occupy it, and that speedily, it would be occupied by others. (Hear, hear.) Other', then, would think it worth their while to occupy it, and would take the opportunity of founding a valuable co lony. But the hon. gentleman talked of the expense of mewling people there. It was true that by sailing round Cape Ilorn the voyage was a very long one, but it wart not much more distant than Australia. But no one could say bow soon a communication might be formed with Oregon. It would be rash in him to say that such a communication would bo opened -in any given time, in 100 years or 20 years, or 10 years; but looking to the gigantic works performed by the Americans in that way, and bow they connected the distant parts of that vast con tinent by great works, even some of those who listened to him might live to see the day when the communication with Oregon would be opened. (Hear, hear.) Now, with regard to the Hudson's Bay Company, all experience showed that colonisation by means of companies was not the beet. The colony of South Australia, while under the management of a company, had entirely failed, and it began to prosper only when taken into tho hands of the government. He agreed with the hon. gentleman that companies produced universal and unqualified mischief when they undertook the business mment. He admitted that they did not mean to give %o -h) the Hudson's Bay Company. t verning powers an exclusive company, in s o h r o w ul l er i be sati° re n tain ' d I dan company. the narrowest sense of the term, an . a . and ed thinelethfoerelitanhadts the e t gq he ver g n o i v n e g pow" AU experience was ein chases with trading functions . There was never a coa l that company which the evils of monopoly had lied such a ran h eve op • was tr ag a a i i i n u s g t a t a n d e conthinahon of land pur meat es the case of the Hudson's Bay Company. T coin : career exhibit , d all the evils of monopoly in the most striking light. The hon. gentleman deprecated any dircussion of die title of the company ,• but he (Mr. Gladstone) thought the, paiiy had existed for 180 years, suit during the whole o its of that throughout its career. The charter of of the company 1670 purported to give the most exorbitant powers to the cahvaerrty, charts company ; but the company felt so little secure with its achnthreleoitiprra.ted alwimmiarth.etlyveerYpoweettenoepess charter that in IC9O it sought an act of parliament to corro borate its powers, an act which, however, only endured until 1697, since which time the company had by h • - wets. In 1711 a c immittee was appointed the hous e Po " p retended rights " of the company to h a 1 no parliamentary authority for the exercise of lie to inquire into the p 4:serene the powers it claimed ; and upon that occasion the company, so far from insisting up on its ri g hts, prayed, in its p e tition to the house, that for anythieg that might ha token from it, it might receive compensatioo. The right hon. gentlemen quoted Mr. Bancroft's opinion, and that of Sir Vicar Gbbs, that such a charter as thet claimed by the Hudso y n's i Bay Company, granted by the cr o wn without the sanction of par:iament, was ob ,nitio void and of no effect. There was a joint opinion of Sir Arthur I'igott, Serjeent Spank', a nd of Mr. Brougham to the same purpose. As a fur tiading company, this company was altogether ineligible to be entrusted with the charge of colonisation. It was not a colonising company; it wail essentially An anti celonising company. Its object, as a fur-trading company, was nece s s arily to keep its territories in the wild and savage atato adapted for the growth and diffusion of the arimnis upon wh,sc fur thee relied for their commerce. It might be true that in its older servants the company possessed the apparent materials of colouisation ; but the slorolute and un mitigated despotism which had characterhed the rule of this company from the outset, lied altogether unfitted these men es a body of free settlers, such as aloha ought to be planted in Vauceueer's Island, or anywhere Ise. - To use the words of Commits Welts, the company's servants were all of them mere vassals, pliant, from lone and strict discipline, to the will of their masters. In 1311, six members of the company themselves memorialised the govern ment against the settlement on the Red River, on the distinct principle that colonisation was unfavourable to the fur trade. The hun. member ereuee that the company would make no great pr, fits of Vancouver's Island as a colony; certainly they would not, nor did they conternelate such a result, their object being nut the promotion of colo nisation at all, but the extension of their hunting grounds. The company had been all along the determined enemy of celenisatton. Hudson's Bay, it was woB known, would afford a large re vsnue from n whale li,hery ; but the company hail neither fished itscif, nor allowed others; pay, when two ships came there ou a whaling expedition, they had managed to have them smile. In she same way the company haa wholly neglected to work the ample resources which a land cam- Nay or a body of colonists would have developed on the shores of the bay, and many, many miles inland. There had keen an attempt meek by Lord Selkirk, when he had bouelet up shine 116,000 square miles of the company's territory, to found a colony at Reel River; but the other members of the c ompany bad as vigorously set them selves against the project, as the North-West Company had dune ; and there was little doubt that there was cognisance, more sales', en the part of these disseutients, of the attack of the Indians upon the Red River settlement, which had been attended with such sanauinary results. The some interests would be at work to oppose colonisation in Vancou ver's Island, and—for thero were Indians in Vancouver's Island—perhaps by similar means. By the deed under which settlers hold lauds under the Hudson Bay Company ' those settlers divested themselves of all freedom a action, of ' all the privileges of Englishmen, placing themselves wholly and in all respecte at the absolute disposal of the compan, tied hand and toA. Was this to be the princie on which settlers were to 'lt o out to Vancouver's Islan d? The company had no sort of intention, when they negotiate this matter with th e government, of forming what was un derstood by a colony in Vancouver's Island. This was a suggestion which the government had made, end which the company hid accepted, with however wry a face, in the feeling that at all events they could weaken the effect of solo- nisation by all sorts of modes, asking, in return for the con ees.ion, a grant of all the Queen's territories west of the Rocky hlountains, in order manifestly to keep other people from corning anywhere near them. The hon. member had alluded to the charges made egainst the company--charges sufficiently important, in his opinion, to warrant, if not the refusal of this grant, at all events its suspension. The hen. member said there had been an inquiry into these charges ; but this inquiry—which in the first place ought not to have been referred to the governor of the Bed River settlement, a though he were, at the same time, an officer in our navy — bad net, in his opinion, produced any satisfactory result. The hon. gentleman stoke as though the sole complainant of the company was a Mi. Isbister, whereas, Mr. Ishister was the agent of 1,000 other persons, members, teethe meet part, if Indian and half-breed families. Christian converts, who all, through Mr. Isbister, grievously complained of the Hudson's Bay Company, and, among other things, com plained that, so late as 1845, the company was in the habit of inflicting corporeal punishment upon its see- , vents, of its own ale-elute authority, without trial. What did the hon. member say of capitol punishment with out even the form of a trail? Was that to be investigated ? Such a charge had been made by Mr. T. tiimpson, one of the servants of the company, and they were not likely to bear witness against their employers. The regulations of the company and their directions to their agents authorised ' them to kill those Indians who raised their arras against I Europeans in their employ. The company also levied taxes of their own authority. Was that to be endured ? Angels and archangels alone could be safely entrusted with such powers. They were far too large to be entrusted to a trading company. The servants of the company also were said to be paid in notes of hand only to be cashed in London. The scarcity of fold was such in the Hudson Bay territory, that the Indians were driven to resort to cannibaliem, not as a matter of taste or preference, hut of dire necessity. Was it not a monstrous hardship to compel barbarians to bring most valuable commodities for sale, and to confine them to one single customer, with whom alone it rested to make the return of value for his commodities? And what proportion ' did that return bear to tho value of the article ? He referred to the Iludson Bay territory Indians alone, and not to the frontier Indians of Canada. It was st sled by Mr. Robson , last century that 2,000 per cent. was the gain of the com pany. Mr. Umfraville stated in 1796 that a gallon of spirits bought a skin wc rth 61. A bearskin worth 21. was ex- changed against a comb worth about 41. A gun costing 225. was given for 20 beaver skins, worth 321. 10s. A dozen brass buttons, worth 104 d., bought a beaver skin worth 325. 61. Was this a fair tragic? Was it fair to compel the Indians to deal with one customer making such profits like this; and, if so, was it not just to compel the company to provide against starva tion ? Ile did not believe in the assertion that he fur trade required a monopoly, Red could only be carried on in that manner. As for the opinion of Lehi Elgin on the ques tion ache Hudson's Bay Cempany, great as was his respect I for that nobleman, his authority on this point was not worth more than that of any member of the house. The 1110110111 of spirits, from 3,000 to 9,000 gallons within the last few years in the Hudson's Bay_ territory, was another ugly feet that demanded inquiry. Then, again, as to settlers, it was moat necessary to be choice is their selection. If a good selec tion of settlers was made the best results might be attained. But what were the facts, as they had been represented to i hint ? The system of the company with respect to settlers was most objectionable. 'that of remitting the duties on certain commodities imported afforded a proof of this ; for that prao- He had been b S e i e n n ela re ir f had .d eke gave the company a power which they often exercised s to uff th er e ed grveeargreatly great detriment by thisth the settlement. system. the privilege of importing any manufactures in the com pany's ships by a formal letter from Mr. Secretary Alexander Christie. These allegations were so serious that they ought to put to flight all the intentions on the part of the govern ment to grant any additional powers 'to the company until , they had been investigated. No one whoread the evidence, even the most friendly towards the company, that of Mr. Simpson the Arctic discoverer, for example, but must wine to the conclusion that their settlement was not condeeted lemon proper principles. The hon. member then quoted a part of Mr. Simpeon's biography, showing that no steps had been taken to erect a place of worship throughout their ter ritory, a fact which was conclusive against them. The work of Christianity had been effected is the Hudson Bay Com pany's territory by the Church Missionary Society, and even that was confined to very few spots in that vast range. The Bishop of Montreal stated that there was no chaplain atFort Vancouver, and that there was only one clergyman at the Red: River settlement. But it might be said, that if there were not church of England clergymen, there were ministers of other denornins,- Sons. That was not the case, es Mr. Simpson's evidence showed. Whilst referring to these statement& he did not meal . to say they were conclusive against the com pany, but the ir general bearing was such as to demand inves tigation. The company had also und'rtaken formally to locate the Indians on a part of their territory, but they never made the attempt after 150 years' possession, until the year 1832. He had endeavoured to serene in a manner to bring out the Stets, and in so doing he thought he had successfully shown the Hudson's Bay Company to be the very worst medium of colonisation that could be instituted. The Colonial-office had not done its duty in this respect, for no notice had ever been publicly given that land would bo granted at Vancou ver's Island; and when it was recollected that the Americans were about to establish a line of steamers in that direction, it was obvious there existed in that circumstance a great stimulus to colonisation for coals must be bidet Vancouver's Island, and they mus t either be seat out from England or procured or. the spot, for which there were great facilities, as coal abounded there. The government was deviating in the present; case from the course pursued b former ministers in;granting a prospective right to the land which might hereafter become the British territory In that part of America. The license of trade of the company of 1838 was limited, and expressly declared that its the event of a new settlement being formed within the itempany's territory, their privileges at once ceased at that settlement. Hut, if t he thing was to be done, it ought to have been done in a different form. The maxim of of Grey was, that it was necessary to provide the elements a tree government, but the . maxim, Qu i d lager sine esoribur, then came an view. What was the use of laws without the means of using them? The despotic power of the Hudson Bay Company had • • extinguished all the means of exercising the powers of a free government amongst those under their rule. With all these a elle tions staring the government in the face, it g not their duty to pause before they granted an extension of the already . Prt l:w nw" ' "-- " n tbo a paolwslearno.if.thue com t th ps e n g y: aut T io h n e overgrown Vancouver that the house had to look to. The words of l l.l l — o ' 4 4 poet of the day were here applimble—" the b o y • - , , ,,g r rnse the man." S 3 would the settlement of Vanc'etv " become the parent of an important community "e l , ' " "an,. tone Bay Company had overshot its mark. la inordinate demand, Sr' John Felly had ens ure d ti e —2_4 Ration of partial:fleet into this most important in so doing he had ensured the gratitude of th ose ' ..,7' 1 41 hereafter destined to become the denizens of th e over which he ruled at present irresponsibl -. " 4 1 e and Mr. C. BULLER protested against the mode • is the motion was treat's ar.4 brought forward • b n „,'”o• forlng the house or the public any means of dise irl' "7„l l. real question. It appeared to him that the ahle u' Ll' `! quent speech of the right hon. gentleman who had ,O„," down put the real question altogether out of sight, the greater part of it must ba :eked as ramlyi ag to m,,,ee but the island of Vancouver . 'Cm snouted tart V. y eroas ent were giving the monopoly of that W ei a P> Hudson's Bey Company. The tom was they late slips For 11 years they had exercised absolute gepernu te t t ' ° ,,,f• and exclusively traded with it. The err ant tontaiee4 ry that if the government repented of the grant 'ea s e they mi-l'. tanned it, and re-enter upoe ponepo. 1 1' 1 Upon re. paying such euras of money as h o d trended by . the company upon improvements. If it wilt, continued the lion. gentlemen, it w• old b o t a -4 ' an injustice, but abso'ute rubbery, to i os W ( -1 reretrerine the island, anti toe ine i m p rov ements made by the industry and capitol of thi . .. l puny. Hon. gentlemen had spoken of the meat eoloni'ation and future empire which that itandwOolj?.: that he altogether dissented from; stem.: an r e i n ou t was for colonisation, he should altogether aimporove v"` enuver's Island as an ~, eligible place for it, at a ll se „ 4 ,' the next hundred years. The last spot the wee,;,,Z` z an attempt would be made to establub a hu ge l o d e ' a -n tiers would he Vancouv. r's Islonel. He (Mr. tellecd of settlers to the amount of 49,000, 60,1 , 00, est but that island was-the d very last spot in her Al . jest •s d ' o , pions to which the stream of colonieation would be s " dir e cted from this country, at all evert. L od. ,7,` „ at; tho map of . the world, there was; to except the icy country to the north, Russia, which would take an much time and game s from this country as Vancouver's Island. It would, the fore, in all probability, remain with few steepest ° , 60 or 100 years, until the inimbilants of Northern Is m ; Oregon, and other parts of the globe,. bad become so thoo 7 , clustered as to induce them to settle m Vancouver's 1 1 .1 whose climate was—his American experiemo eteleat i e,'" say—the most healthy and delightful in the Mr. FLUME objected to the Cclucial Secretary b o o,. taken upon him-ell to dispeon of soe.h important interera 4 those granted to the Huth m's Bay Company, v luting every possible information on the subject, rade. bling pa:Lament to come to a determiratien soo it. He decidedly (Reapproved of the Col:c o , Secretary haying taken upon hiensile the f a , ; :, tions of parliament, which Str,ul.l at all la n have been consulted before anything whettver hue granted. He condemned such a proceeding, and he %beet it ought to be discountenanced. (Hear.) Tie h.eme. able meeer conended by moving that ha adda x be presented to her adaj , :aty that she would not grant Cu. courer's Island to the aludisen's Bay Cmpany until la emir,- should be instituted and the eythelites of the lee fully ascertained. Mr. tr. HOWARD seconded the motion. Mr. WILD supported the amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the question bad lax :rested by the hon. member for Montroe in Tether a ee guise manner. He had et en notice of an imention to al the attention of the house to leas premised grant of one couver'e Island to the Hued en's Bay Company, aod made a speech in keeping with that metien. The tea member who seconded him took the same course, batlike quently the hon. member for Montme again rose and r o posed that the house should at once come to a spate* elusion on the question. Mr. HUME explained that he merely proposed cigliy order that time might be had for inqniry. Lord J. RUSSELL said that of the motion of the in member were agreed to all steps in the way of eilonisame must be pompon:el until the year after next, sad in the aces time the island would have been settled by the American (Hear, hear.) He (Lord J. Russell) admitted teat it mu be very desirable if any company or individuals would dertaka the task of colonisation immediately. but they end not shut their eyes to the fact that the territory in Tata had been obtained by treaty in into ; that lima dita had been notorious that the crown could oast bei west of the Rocky Mountains, and yet Lard Grey hat received only one tacgible offer, that of the lhaWs Bey Company. (Hear, het r.) The hen member mane made two objections to the company, one as to their beinos monopoly, and the other as to their aging despotic in tin government. Now, however true that might he, it had te relation to the subject matter. The compana`a charttrwse remain in force until 1939—they having obtained, is lel, the exclusive privilege of trading with the Incliamta2l years, and it was rot proposed, at the prow nt time, to tie them any new or exclusive privileges. As to the overehoo eion'ef despotic government, the present proposal was tI)C4I - a government on the built of a frm constitution. Study, the hon. member court hardly be dissatisfied with the ere* of giving every man in the colony • vote, ard of estabaskat a representative assembly, which, In conjumtion stab es governor, was to carry on the government. The Le. member further asserted that settlers mould act obtain lei, but his fear had no fouedat on, except in his imaginaliati they could always hue it from the &loyalty. But, thud, the proposal was not to grant any exclusive rights or despot powers. The hon. member's arguments might he goad c a future day for destroying the power of the Hudson's 134 Campine, as similar'arguments might be used &mint* East Indic Company, hut they had nothing to do with tk immediate subject The point was this. The crowo, sait no other chance of colonising Vancouver's Island, male grant of it to the Hudson's Bay C mammy, revocable at* end of eleven }cars. lie did not wish at that mematts enter at any length into the merits of the Hudton'sliet Company. but he must say ke relied much on the creaked Lord Elgin, who said that all the inquiries he had Made Id turned out highly favourable to the company, and that bs believed they ruled the vast and inhospitable reeierti is trusted to them in a highly creditable manner. lithe ham slid not wish to let Vancouver's Island fall into the bere of the A -pentane he trusted they would negatios is amendment of the hon. member for Montreee. Mr. GOULBURN said that first the hon. member ix Liduard had complained of a speech having been tads without a motion, and now the noble lord complained of th hon. member for Montrose for making a motion. (Beard Mr. BULLER explained. Mr. GOULBURN said that he objected to the grantee* provident, beenuse the company was not in a con d ti¢u take a colony, • fact which he was jeatified in le lieviag has their past conduct. The noble lord had urged that if vs did not take possession of the island, the Americans wool settle there. Could there be a morn imporicet reason for taking every care that the island was settled prover? (Hear, hear.) We should take possession of it is these of the Queen of England, and then we might defy se attempts from the United States. (Hear, hear.) Is toes company's privileges standing in the way, he would rail the neide lord that in granting these prieileme Ini Olenelg had expressly stipulated that wherever the grind government settled a colony within their limits the 115 vilegea of the company were to cease. It was qu'a elmN by the grant now proposed this useful entiloa wadi Is abrogated, and the company would obtain entire coot* He was opposed to leaving this valuable island in the hote of those who, without imputing any evil disposition Loth* he must say had not the capacity or the intr.-is: to dad' settlement advantageous to this country. He therefore* dially hoped that the subject would be reconsidered by* government. Mr. DUNCAN observed that if they gave the idea ls the Hudson's Bay Company they weld be very Glad tabu it restored in a few yew, and then have to r y a large 112 for what they gave away for nothing. The house then divided— For going into committee of supply For the amendment Col. SIBTIIORI' wished to know whether it was intentlid to proceed with the third reading of the Conupt ]'moon Bill that evening. Lord J. RUSSELL did propose to do so, and if there"; any objection he would suggest that the house meet at 1 1 o'clock to-morrow for the purpose. (Oh.) Col. SIBEHORP had never heard so contemptible a answer. (A laugh.) The house then went into committee. The following yea were agreed to a. 90,0001. for education in Ireland (on tin is vote No Hamilton intimated, in answer to Mr. Osborne, that he Teo poi ed to bring on his motion adverse to the national trim of education in Ireland on the next supply rioht, Muds, next), and 4,0001. for the School of Design. The vote 2,00 t,/. for salaries and allowances to protester of the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge was opeesel 1 :7 al Mr. OSBORNE, who thought it unreasona to the country to pee these professors on these [rounds; 104 , that the universities had large funds of their ow n ; that the education was not open to all stets; and that the classes presided over by there prefe,e,re we re sheeel wholly deserted, lie should divide thee committee wow the vote. Sir R. INGLIS supported the Tote, and reminded Venel committee that similar manta were made for th, _ of London, which was open to all sect; that 30,000 ti• granted to the Roman catholic', and four or tire , a dina r: much as these univirsities received was granted t ing institution at Belfast. to reiltr Lord J. RUSSELL, though he shou ld he sorry 00,, the remuneration granted to these professors,. and 11, °' they were led to understand they would retain,_ tear; it would be of advantage if some mo de could he deviled ; reader these professors more useful. Though th e the universities prohibited dissenters from taking clef dissenters and Roman catholic , were permitted to br e lf cited at the University of Cambridge. He thoeght tb we: jeetion to altering the constitution of the u niversitin t tad ll, f be removed, oral tho advantage sought for by! atett Roman catholic., educated at Cambridge, obtained is Ir:st; to degrees, if certificates of proficiency were girit i o u l t g ke university, which should entitle the w o e s to dettle.7 .lsa a Univeniitt, of London. With regard to 0.: ,rd h say nothing at present. (6 , After al in few words from Mr. DVNBi , • • • tupeort vote, e'r ft• Mr. W. J. FOX reminded the hon. baronet 1 . that time hal changed the constitution of the uti v were originolly national ; but now they . were middle and lower classes, and exclusive also grounds. As an encouragement to liter atu re tee useless while it was for the benefit of a class of pereMe did not require it. at. VW . GOULBURN objected to the amendment. tin] di