The Express. — London, England, 1851-07-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT, JILT 14. Tile Loan CSANctiLLonPUBLIC took his seat at he reekek. BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. BCCLiAtAferteaL TITLES ASselleTlon BILL.—By Lord SEDESDALE, from Limerick, in favour of. The Earl ref ABERDEEN, front a great many places in Ireland, and Ole Reiman catholic archbishops and bishops in Ireland ; O". G PAPAL Anoithsvioa.—By the Duke of RICHMOND (2), from Auchinamos and Elgin, i n Scotland; audible Earl OLENOALL, from South Shields, against. Fan. TRAWL—By the Duke of RICHMOND (2), from Betel, and the millowners and millers of Queen's County, nirmiaa• KS/40100e Tthrs.—By the Duke of RICHMOND, tram Aberdeen, against the abolition of. CITSTAL PALM'S. —By Lord CAMPBELL, several Praying for the removal of the Crystal Palace, which he supported by some observations respecting the propriety of keeping the promise mode to that effect at the beginning, the hisslubrity of the eilitice:if employed as a winter garden, and its inutility for any other purism,. BOOTY TAKEN IN INDIA. The Earl of ELLENIIOItOUOII wished to ask the noble lord at the head of the Board of Control with reference to the 131,0(101. booty taken at the l'uojaub, whether the usual course had been adopted by the Directors of the East India Company, of memuriabsing the croon us to its distribution ? Lard IIItOUGHTON replied in the affirmative. THE HORFIELD ESTATE. The Bishop of OXFORD moved for certain papers with reference to the llortield estate, his object being to state certain fact. with reference to it in consequence of some statements which had gone forth to the public with a view SO damage the character of his right rev. friend the Bishop of Gloucester and Bristol, who was now absent an the continent The charge was that whereas vim the see of Bristol was united to the see of Gloucester the property of the See of Bristol was, under power given by acts of parliament, made over to the waited see of Coloususter and Bristol; that Hatfield Manse Mod, if not legally yet equitably and morally della:- rest from any other property of the see, and that his right rev. friend an taking powasioni of the me was lesund not to deal with that estate as with the other property in the see. That sailor such uhligatiows he first endeamuned to tell Ms tight is that estate to the ecelesiaatical commissioning; that they, in order to prevent greater scandal. committed to dual tar that right; that an agreement was entered fats which arm at AM private, bemuse it would not hear the public eye; and upon its avian to the solicitor of the oar ouwitmera, he felt so aahamed of the transaction that he refused to be a party to the carrying of It out, arid the rontraissioners were driven, in spite of themselves to go for an order in council to ea ry it out. That within tweuty-four hours of the agreement Icing cone pleted, a member of the other Howe of Parliament, who had discovered this treachery, called the attention of the Aftorney.tieneral and the First Lord of the Treasury to the job shout to he peril trend; that it wu at the last me meat defeated, and the bishop kat the bargain. And there upon, it try, said, be meld do nothing until the sue me awning life dropped ; and, upon the dropping of all Ilk contrary to all moral oobligatiooe, he renewed the lease wan three /awe levee—wad he begged their lordships to met the full amount of the imputation, it was added that us man bet a dignitary of the church would dare ft do oath a thing and show himself anemias bt public aro an honest Man, Now, the first sethement was that the situation of his right rev. friend was, as to this estate, woolly different front the others, because his two preolecewure had refuousl to renew the lease. The tirst of those endive sours we, Bishop Grey, and here he must say that of the many eases of misrepresentation which met his eye, be had never seen one in which every single in cident had lean so misrepresented and which bad led to vo Glee an issue as in the present ease. le every one there was at first the appearance of truth, which was this most damaging thing. (Hear, hear.) But if they cloudy and minutely ciamineol the incidents, the mid-state menu. wo re made most palpable. The statement wan, that when the first lill dropped Bishop Grey intended to renew it, when there was wily one vacancy, but when there Ise tame two Sae:Weiss he did nut consider himself able to re new them. Now what was the fact ? Nu ecirotiations of my kind had taken place between Bishop Grey and the luso, until after the second life had dropped and, in the swored plan., there never was a breaking o ff of that one segeeiatioes, fur Bishop Grey died while that our negotia tion was in peogress, and be had the statement of Bishop Shadwell that the negotiation was nut broken off, and that the live. would have been renewed but that the bishop died. Then it was said that Bishop Allen gave the re. gimlet pledge. Now, on the authority of the bishop Glow of Gloer...ter he could state that Bishop Allen applied to God Melbourne on the subject, who told him that he saw no impediment in the way of his renewing the lease, and he lilt 1 at liberty to act as be thought best, in con sequence of which Bishop Allen was about to renew it when be was translated to the see of Ely. lle had the evidence of Mr. Charles Clarke, an eminent solicitor at Bristol, who offend to tender his father to prove that lie was employed by Bisbee Allen to renew the lease. The no a. statement was that in 1512 it began to be rumoured that the present bishop want to renew the lease, and the melt-anodic:el com missioners desired their secretary to write to the bishop stating that t0.0.y hoped such was not the case, and that the bishop replied that he felt himself insulted at such an insinuation, and that if he did so it would leave a luting reproach on the character of a hi.). op. Now, after basing gone through every document at the ecclesiastical commissioners'-office that morning, he asserted that no communication of any kind passed in 1812, ur for five years afterwards, between the eerie.isstieol cuiumbeioners or their secretary and the bishop. What authority thertture could be attributed to the statement of those, who, to say the least of it, were so imbineoruinl ? Now, what did happen? In 1817 mew scheme, hail been started by the commissioners as to the charge, which ought to be lewitelon certain see., it had bees thought that the united diocese of Gloucester and Bristol ought to bear a larger charge; and it was intended to add the Hoortielel Manor estate to the episcopal haul, after the prevent bishop should be removed. To that he hail ob jected as being unjust to his *evacuee, and some negotia tione aewordiegly took place between him and the com missiono-rs, with the view of euteriug upon some arrange , Went relative to the property. The bishop had considered that the p e culiar holding of that estate was a most injurious tenure to the church. inasmuch as it prevented the possi bility of improvement. Ile hail never intended to renew the lease use the same terms upon which it had been originally granted, but never entertained the idea of not granting some kiwi of is lease. The right rev. prelate here referred to and rowl some extract, from letters from the bishop of Gloucester to the tominisaioneno, in which he had stated that he treated the imputation of renewing the lease o. we heretofore " with eontenipt. Another aceusatiea was that in 1841$ the ecclesiastical coniroiesionen having desired their secretary to remind the bishop of his moral uhlvetation not to renew the base, the bishop answered that he knew nothing of any moral obligation on the subject, hut that he had a legal right, winch he would no; alienate except fur 11,5001. Now nut only wet uu letter of the kind alluded to written by the secretary, but the bishop himself, in Februaty, 1818, opened a neg... tidiest with the commissioners, and offered to tart with his interest to them. 'that proposal was referred to a select committee, of which Sir J. Graham was the chairman. They entertained the proposal, and a communication wra made to the bishop announcing to him that the proposal had been brought before the Game committee, and that they had expressed au opinion of the liberality of the offer. (Hear.) The negotiation went en. It had been asserted that the eammilsieenen endeavoured privately to transfer the estate to themselves, but that when the deed of transfer had been trausmitted the solicitor refused to be party to the affair. The Get was that the commissioners having satisfied them selves that there was neither equitable, lega l nor moral restraint on the bishop to act differently wi th ;he llortield estate trent the other estates of his see, consalted one of the most eminent conveyancers as to the best mode of transmitting it, who gave an opinion that the proper way of tranemitting it wall not by deed, but by order in council (War.) Such an Order SIAS drawn up, and sent, as is usual in such eases, for the approval of the law (Alen of the crown, who at the end of the month returned it with the answer that there were legal difficulties in the say, in con sequence or the limited power given by the act of parking such an order. On that ground alone was the order in council set aside. (Hear) Feeling that the matter might be misrepresented, the bishop called on the commissioners to repress, their opinion on the subject; and at a meeting of the Giant, at which the Archbishop of Canterbury was prebend a, chairman. a resolution was drawn up and to, to thee diet that the bishop, havi ng b een under noir:W e ! tion, legal or otherwise, to deal with the Horfield estate differently from any other estate of hisser., and having made with regard to it a most !item' offer, the board had besek anemia. to avoitiall needle's delay iu bringing the negcseillidea to a clew. (Hear.) The enflaming charge' was that es ibe dropping of the last life the bishop hail renewed the lease bt a way ilk which be had said he would never do. Now, if Ids right rev. friend had evaded the law by selling it to a second party In • way to allow him to transform it into a lease for three lives, then he would hare doss the thing with which he had been charged ; but, to peeves* tint, be had pat the name' of his secretary in the leans, rettlodsg hi. own hands full power to Carry on these improvements which teem the first it hail been his object to effect, and had already laid out a large sum in enfranchising the cupyhuld. la order to avoid soy reproach of graoping at income. he nave up his legal claim to what he held in ivasetendain to an amount equal to what he retained. (Hear) On this point it had bevn remarked that what be held io ton nte tufa ;es was mil)y for his own life, and that it would not benefit his children to the same extent as the renewal of the lease. The to nu. which his right rev. friend had stipulated for in hos ne goteasion with the conareesioness was t 1,5011., and he had seeidentally learned the way in which he proposed to apply that amount. It appeared that he had engaged to ad vance a sum of 5,000 f. for the erection of a college at Bristol, mended it we-re repaid to his children. Circumatances occurred which rendered it problematical whether his ehildnm would receive it, and in case they did not he pr posed that of the 11,5001. the sum o f 5,00111. should go tell family, and 6.500/. to endow small livings in the di ueses e( Bristol. (Ikar.) Such was the answer he had to to the charge brought against his right reverend trio:ad. In a letter which his right reverend friend had written to him he stated that unsler present o, circumstanceswith h re e .p, sh v o t ul to d n h Ot is ester upon any promise or vav particular view. and intentions on the subject. " These," said his right hun. friend. " must he inferred from what I hare already dune. Spedensur nyriesio. True, I have ulte rior views; but I will not at present make any engagement with regard to them ; for if I were to do so it would be attributed to teasel him wbo,perfor s Infos, is detemiasst THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 15, 1851. to destroy my character. friend had. without miasma station in Rs country skk in body, any expression of dear to him wider (Cheers.) The Bishop of 7 souby co ncurred on behalf of the Bit_ impugned in -T " mother , Then bject then HE mi d avAT FLORENCE. Earl FITZWILLIAM gave notice that he would to morrow ask his noble friend who represented the govern meat It the statement which h ad u ipeared in a newspaper was true, that government in to discoatinue the mis sion at Florence. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said there wss no inten tion whatever of discontinuing the mission. Bari FITZWILLIAM said be was glad to hear there was no truth in the report, and he was therefore relieved from putting the question to-morrow. COURT OF CHANCERY AND JUDICIAL COMMITTEE BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that this bill bo read a first time. Lord BROUGHAM said his noble friend bad given him sew ea opportunity before he left town, which be was 21tdo on account of his health, to state his ;opinion to bin. It was true that it was unusual to make any statament on the first reading of a bill, but as he should not address the house again this session be should tabs the op_porataity of expressing his opinions in favour of the bill. His approved of the bill as far as it went. Hs alasidered that it was a step in the right direction, but is sammittes WI hoped that some changes would be made ia te. With newt to that portion of the bill which re howl te the Ilfrellate jurisdiction of the Privy Council, theme 111116 them Maven which ought to be carefully cos atiMed Wire this bill passed into a law: first, whether the preeeesa ought to be reduced, an this bill proposed, from argefit Am. Ile had a very strong feeling in favour et tour. He considered that all the experience of West. minster-hall was strong and clear in favour a four. It was indubitably better that, where then was a difference of opinion, there should be 3to 1 rather than 2 to 1. With respect to the danger di basing 2 against 2, all he could say was, that in the Judicial Committee, which had been in existence now 18 years, that accident had occurred only once. The other point which he hoped would not fail to receive attentive consideration was, the necessity of having a constant pre siding judge in the Judicial Committee. His noble friend the president of the council, when required, never failed to attend and preside over them. He thought, however, they ought not to have a lay president, but a lawyer. No pru• vision was made in the bill to supply another and material defect, in ewes which rarely occurred, but which he feared were likely tobe more numerous hereafter. Ile meant cases Involving spiritualquestiune, cases which might he of 'highly important and execediugly difficult nature, and which were very often he might be allowed to add, of an exceedingly ' ebscure n ature. They, of the Judicial Committee, were ad mirably adapted to treat of questions of the common law; they were oenversant with the doctrines of the Coiviistorial Court and of civil law ; they were well adapted to deal with all classes of evidence takes in a court of law, or taken in another court, to which he would not more spetifkally al lode. They felt that they were able to deal with all these, but there were other questions, of a spiritual nature, with which they felt themselves wholly unfitted to deal. They did not wish to have a body established which should dictate to them on this subject, but they wished to have the opinions of men learned in that teem& of the law. Ile had said that this bill Ira • step in the right direction ; hut it was not a very long Ile did not think that any structural alteration in the Court of Chancery would lay the axe to the root of the greatest of grievances which this country lay under. It ' might enable them to get rid of the arrears,but it would sot do that justice to the suitor which he had a right to expect —namely, that he should obtain that which was his right at a moderate cost of money and of trouble, and, above all, of time. Ilaviug instanced several casts of actual as well as suppository abuse, delay, and inurdi nate expense, his lordship would say to them, in the words of Lord Chatham on the subject of soo ther kind of reform, "If you don't carry that re form yourselves the people will come in upon you and you will be reformed front without with a veugeance." (Hear, hear.) Ile was not, however, one of those who wished for violent reforms of any kind. lie hail always consistently maintained that to make reform wholesome they must make it safe. And to make it safe they must have it left in the hands of skilful and well.informed men. One thing, how ever, was certain, that is proportion es they delayed re form the greater was the danger of the good being swept away with the bad, and, as he had on a former occasion said to their lordships, " having the good and bad swept away together, the judicature of the country would be re duced to such a state of ruin as would afford and spectacle of the vanity of human affairs and the instability of man's in etitutions, but a wholesome wnrning to those who from fear of granting moderate and safe reform, exposed them to the hazard of violent abolition." The present measure would remedy existing evils so far, and he trusted that a long time would not elapse before they would experience the bene ficial effects of those most valuable nteasures of legal reform ' which hail lately been sent down to the other house. The County Courts Extension Bill and the Law of Evidence Bill, would, when passed into law, be productive of much good. In addition, however, to this, the public mind would he pointed to the adoption, as far as possible, of a combine• tion of the two systems of equity and law, by what was technically called a fusion of the two branches. Ile hoped that the time was not far off when they would have the happiness of acting this amongst other reforms in our juris. prudence, and that they should be able to say that they lad made a real and effectual progress towards the amendment of the law. In conclusion he had only to thank their lord. ships fur their kind indulgence. The LOltD CHANCELLOR regretted the cause which rendered the absence of the noble lord from the house us. avoidable. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had shimmed the house on matters of great importance, and he would hut then follow him through his numerous statements. There had been already laid on the table a report from the com mission in reference to the improvement of the common law courts, and a measure founded on that report would speedily be introduced, and would, he expected, pass this session. It was out likely that the Chancery reports would be ready in time to be acted on during the present session, but they might rest assured that no time would be lost con sistent with the consideration due to the subject. The sug gedions made by the noble lord (Lord Brougham), would receive the greatest degree of attentive consideration. As to the present bill, it was addressed to the remedy of a particular evil. The unfortunate illness of several of the judges had lead to an arrear of causes, end it was to remedy this evil and prevent its recurrence in future that the present bill had been introduced. Whet the commission hail tiuished its labour* a general remedy would he proposed. After a few words from Lord 131W1:0111111, The bill wan read a first time. Oa the motion of the Marquis of CLANItIeAItDII, The Waterford and Teaks: Railway Bill was read a second time. WREXHAM IMPROVEMENT BILL. After some conversation between the Earl of GALLOWAY and Lord CANOTA, regarding a breach of the standing orders in connexion with this bill, Earl TALBOT was understood to give notice that at the proper time he would move for its recommittal. IR:MASSES AND FREEMEN'S PARLIAME` -- FRANCHISE BILL. On the motion of Lord BIUVISONT the above bill passed through committee and was reported. LODGING HOUSES BILL. On the motion of the Earl of 811•171,6111:117 this bill was read a third time and passed. Their lordships adjourned at eight o'clock 7ARY HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoXDAY, JULY 14. The firzazza took the chair at a quarter to 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. EAST ANGLIA:IitAiI:VAiIia, ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH BILL, AND THE VLYERSTONR AND LANCASTER RAILWAY BILL. The Lords' amendments on these lulls were considered and agreed to. GENERAL REVER:H9N . ARY AND INVESTMENT vas eawer subectid to much greater annoyance previous to the mein o f the act. Formerly they wereobliged to tell whither they were going, and to give notice every time they changed their residence. Still if the present act were found to be productive of seri ous inconvenience, he should certainly be ready to take it Into consideration, with a view to its amendment. (Cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged leave to state that some Tears ago similar complaints were made to him, hut on inquiry he could not discover any one that hsd found the law an inconvenience. (Hear.) HOSPITAL IN PHIENIX PARK. Mr. GROGAN asked Sir William Somerville if any plan for the erection of an hospital in Phonis-park for the use of the constabulary had been submitted to the Irish go vernment, and whether such plan bad been approved of or not? . . Sir 7V. SOMERVILLE had received no communications on the subject, and could give no information. He would, however, make an enquiry into the matter. THE lONIAN ISLANDS. Mr. III; ME asked if it was the intention of the govern ment to lay upon the table a copy of the correspondence be tween the Lord High Commissioner and her Majesty's go vernment respecting the reforms in the institutions iu the Islands, in continuation of the papers laid before parliament in the last session ? Mr. lIAWES replied in the negative. FLAG PROMOTIONS. Sir G. PECIIELL asked the First Lord of the Admi ralty what arrangements had been made with respect to the civil appointments of Vice and Rear-Admirals of Great Britain since the late promotion and the revision of the list of flag officers; alas, w liether the flag officers now re moved from the active list arc to form a separate list, or to be amalgamated with the retired list of 1846 ; also, whether the lists of retired officers and the promotion of commanders and lieutenants, according to the plan lately laid before parliament, will be announced in the Go:diet Sir F. BARING said the late alteratims would make no difference in the caves of the vice and rear admirals, the ap pointment of whom would rent not with him but with the First Lord of the Treasury. These flag officers would form a reserved list, belonging neither to the active nor the re tindl list. Nu doubt that these, like all other appointments, would be gasetted. "CATHOLIC VINDICATOR." Sir W. ViaNig hod given notice of firslntentim to ask a question of the Attorney-General, but unless the noble lord (Lord John Itiessell) would answer it himself he would postpone it until he saw the right hon. and learned gentleman in his place. (Cries of " Read it.") The ques tion was as follows :—To oak the Attorney-General for England whether Ids attention has been directed to certain passages in a newspaper, published July .5, entitled the Catholic Vindicator, and amongst them one to the following effect:—That if her Majesty the Queen should place her signature to a certain abominable bill (the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill), she will compel all real catholics to regard her in a manner we are certain she will have cause to regret. Lord J. RUSSELL—My attention had been directed to the passage in question, and I have had some conversation with the Attorney-General en the subject; but it certainly does appear to us that it would be very unadvisable to raise into importance what seems to be a most trumpery . publica tion, and which contains sentiments that, abominable as they are, we are persuaded are totally different from the sentiments of the Roman catholic people generally. (Loud cheers.) TILE IRISH HOSPITALS. ..... On the question that the St EACER do leave the chair, on going into a committee of supply on the miscellaneous esti mates, Mr. REYNOLDS moved as an amendment, a resolution setting forth the importance and value of the Dublin hospi tals as schools of medicine in Ireland, and declaring the injustice and impolicy of reducing the annual grant which had been allowed in 1813 and preceding years for the main tenance of those establishments. Sir L. O'BRIEN meondt d tho motion. The CIIANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER stated the grounds upon which he resisted the motion. A parliament ary committee had recommended upon principle the discon tinuance of these grants to the eighteen establishments at Dublin ; hut it was not intended to diminish the votes to two of them, which were the principal schools of medicine and surgery. The Dublin hospitals could establish no claim for aid from the exchequer while those in England were supported without such assistance. The motion was supported by Mr. Roche, Mr. Grogan, Mr. S. Herbert, Colonel Dunne, and opposed by Mr. V. Smith. The house divided : For the amendment Against it lO6-63 TILE HORFIELD CASE. Mr. P. MILES, in reply to Mr. Hume, observed that he had written a letter, calling on the public to suspend their judgment on the statements made by the hon. member Mr Cockermouth till the Bishop of Gloucester, who was absent, could reply to them. That reply had since appeared, and whether it was a sufficient answer or not, the public could now judge. After that explanation, it would be unneces sary for him to go into the subject, but he was quite pre pared to answer any charges that might be made against the Bishop of Gloucester. Mr. HORSMAN said that he had made the statements i publicly in that house, and in the presence of members of the ecclesiastical commission ; he also stated that they were founded on evidence taken before a committee of 0 e house. (Hear, hear.) No answer or explanation that he knew of had been given to those statements, for that house knew of ho letter having been written by the Bishop of Gloucester. Ile thought the hon. member for Gloucester was justified in taking the course he had done, and when he had seen the hon. gentleman's letter, he went to the hon. gentleman and told him that he would give him every faci lity in his power to bring the subject before the house, and he even indicated the specific portions of the evidence from which he had taken the statements he had made. (Hear, hear.) It was impossible fur him to bring the subject for ward again, there being ten or twelve other motions on going into committee of supply, and all the notice days up to the 29th of July having been filled up. lie therefore reiterated that no answer or explanation bad been given to the statement he made to the house. But he heard with surprise that whereas no answer had been at tempted in that house to statements made in that house, and founded on evidence taken before that house, another right rev. prelate had set up an answer elsewhere—in an assembly which had not heard the state ment, as they were made, which had not the evidence on which these statements were made before it ; and set up, therefore, with all the fearlessness of a man who knew that what he said could not be contradicted. (llen. hear.) The public would draw their own conclusions from this. (Hear, hear.) He was not only ready and anxious to substantiate the accuracy of the statements lie had made, but was pre pared to show that inmost material points the circumstances were stronger than he had stated them. He had brought before the house an abuse of the gravest and grossest Mud on the most serious subject that could engage its attention, and now the hon. gentleman who asked the public to suspend their judgment till some explanation or answer bad been given, says that he did not feel called on to give any. Lord J. MANNERS noticed the severity of Mr. Hors man'sinvectives, and the elaborate and prepared terms in which they were conveyed. Mr. GLADSTONE did not think they could then enter upon a discussion of this kind, but he thought it was desir able, both for the hon. gentleman opposite, whose state ment. on all the material points had been so seriously im pugned, as well as for the other parties concerned, that another discussion should take place when the opportunity arose. ("Hear, hear," from Mr. Horsman.) He was the less disposed to credit the imputations cast upon the Bishop of Gloucester, because, as far as he was aware, no man—no member of the right reverend bench—was more distinguished for his charity and liberality. (Hear hear.) He had neither friendship nor acquaintance with that right rev. prelate; but from what he hail seen and heard of his liberality, he confessed it came upon him by surprise to hear that he was implicated in conduct of so grave a kind. lie considered that the conduct of the bishop had been vindicated by the letter on every substan tial point, and on some points more than completely vindi cated—(hear, hear)—fur it showed not only justice, but liberality and high merit in his trust. (Hear, hear.) The subject then dropped. SUPPLY. The house then went into committee of supply. The followiug votes were agreed to:- 4,0191. for the civil establishments of Bermuda was agreed to. 1,5001. for Prince Edward's Island. 7,6771. for the ecclesiastical establishments in North America. 13,6601. for the Indian department in Canada. 701. for the Bahama Islands . ; 18.02131. for the salaries of governors, lieutenant-governors, and others in the West India Islands. 36,0751. for salaries and allowances of stipendiary magis trates in the West India colonies and the Mauritius. 13,7113/. for the civil establishments on the Western Coast of Africa. 10.78.31. for the island of St. Ilelena. 6,319/. for Western Australia, and ' 1,1031. to repay expenses defrayed by the naval depart ment for the settlement at Purt Essiugton. Oa the nest vote being proposed—viz., 20,0001., " the amount of aid required to defray the charge of New , • Zealand," Mr. V. SMITH wished to elicit some information with , regard to the position in which the government stood with . the New Zealand Company, having taken the colony with i all its liabilities. Mr. HAVES replied that the company had given a ' notice, which had expired on the sth of July, IBA, when , the government assumed. not all the liabilities of the com pany, as his right hon. friend had stated, but all the le: i liabilities incurred with the knowledge and sanction of the 1 commissioner appointed under the act of parliament. The papers would be laid on the table ; and, should they not he I sufficiently explanatory, he should be glad to afford all the , information in his power. Mr. COBDEN could not understand why the people of England should be called upon year after year to defray these charges fur the benefit of people at the antipodes, who were far better able to pay them themselves. This vote was but a specimen of our colonial system. Here was a charge of 2,500/. for the salary of a governor, 8001. for a lientenant/overnor, and, not content with that, we must support those chief Justice, at an expense of. 1,0001. a year • a N ithby 'be it remembered, for a population of some 20,00 0 or 30,000 emigrants. Then there wen charges lof 6301. for law-officers and clerks, 0001. for the salary of a bishop, 6901. for chaplains and schools. Why did not these people pay for , these things dummies's Wig were we tote called upon to pay flit their roads sad public works, and fur the employment of the natives for their benefit? lie protested against the vote altogether. Mr. PLUMPTRE thought there was no colony more de serving of support from the mother country than New Zealand. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved to reduce the vote by 6001. Mr. HUME considered it useless to propose such • limited reduction. The charge for public works was out of proportion to the number of inhabitants, and he would move that the item of 10,3351. for public works, and the 6001. for the bishop's salary, be disallowed. His motion would be that the vote be reduced by 10,9151. After • few words from Mr. M`Claeoon, Mr. HAWES, in defending the vote, alluded to the in creasing trade which was springing up between this country and New Zealand. He was of opinion that in disposing of a vote of this nature the whole of the population, native and European, must be considered. It was true that the European population did not exceed 10,000 souls, but the natives amounted to between 150,000 and 200,000, and the colony was advancing very rapidly. After a few words from Mr. FULMER, Mr. COBDEN objected to the principle of coming to that house and asking for money under the pretence of sending missionaries abroad. Let our missionary labours be vo luntary labours. It was not the province of the house to promote Christianity either by the force of our arms or by the appointment of bishops to New Zealand. (Hear, bear.) The fact was that, taking all our disbursements into consideration, we were expending far more than 100,0001. annually in New Zealand. It was stated last year in the committee that three ships of war would be required on that station. We had a large military establishment there which must be fed and Hotbed. There had been upwards of 2,000,0001. spent there by England since the bequest of a portion of the ter ritory had been made. He did not think the island would ever pay 5 per cent. upon what we had laid out on it, for we could never have a large commerce with it. It was not a tropical country ; on the contrary, its climate was very similar to our own, and therefore it was not in the nature of things that we could have an extensive interchange of commodities with it. Then, had we not been expending too much upon it ? We oug ht not to be expending money unless there was some prospect of our obtaining a return; and therefore be protested against the present vote. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL did net think such a case had been made oat as should induce the house to reject the vote. What was the stet.: of New Zealand when we first began to govern it ? It was inhabited by a large body of natives, and the island was overrun 'er a most abandoned set of people. It became a question with the colonists whe. they missionaries ought not to be sent there with a view to civilise the people ; and the colonists further proposed to establish, without the authority of the crown, laws which would enable them to inflict punishments for criminal offences. lie hail, however, informed them that that could not be permitted; and he was happy to say that the opinions he entertained upon that point 4 hail been confirmed by the present Lord Chancellor. It then became a question whether England should not establish the authority of the crown in the colony. (Hear.) lie believed the house had been incurring an expense for some years with the view of doing a great work--one of those noble and heroic works which England ought to undertake —that of founding a colony which hereafter, when its pulation and resources increased, might be in a prosperous' state, and that it was not unworthy of England to bring New Zealand into a condition of civilisation and under the power and influence of Christianity. It was with this view that the house had begun and had continued to grant sums from time to time to aid the colony. The period would most probably soon arrive when New Zealand would be in a position to defray the whole of its expenses. lie was not ashamed to own that he had recommended the crown to appoint the present bishop of New Zealand, and that he had promised to propose a sum of 6001. a year for his main tenance. It seemed, upon the whole, that we had better go on for a short time longer paying this sum, and con gratulating ourselves that we had succeeded in establishing a flourishing colony. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. Hume, Mr. Plumptre, and Mr. E. Denison, the committee divided— For Mr. Ilume's amendment 23 Against it The gallery was immediately after cleared for a division upon Mr. Williains's amendment, but none took place, as that amendment was withdrawn. The vote was then agreed to. Upon the motion that a sum of 5,0001. be voted to defray the charge of the Falkland Islands, Mr. COBDEN asked what wos the population of these islands? ---- • Mr. HAWES replied that it was very small—only about 120. (Loud laughter.) Mr. COBDEN believed it was only 100; so that the committee were voting d,OOOl. for the government of 100 people, or at the rate of MI. ahead. Ile advised the com mittee to withdraw from these islands. I iMr. HUME said that although the Falkland islands were extremely small, the surveyor's salary was 300'., and the surveyors department cost no less than 1,1671. Resides this, the governor received 800/., and the magistrate 400/. Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought it monstrous to take 5,0601. a-year out of the pockets of the people of England to pay for the government of these islands, whereas the islanders themselves only paid 750/. a-year. Sir J. WALMSLEY asked whether there were any troops there, and whether, in the 120 inhabitants, the governor, chaplain, and surveyor, were included ? Mr. HAWES said this vote was, in point of fact, bene ficial to the general trade of the empire. There must be some government to manage the islands. He presumed the magistrate there carried on the administration of justice ; and, if so, he ought to be paid for it. The question as regarded this vote resolved itself into this—was or was it not of commercial and military importance to retain this station? It was quite certain that if we gave it up there were other governments who would be quite ready to take it. There had been on the part of the Colonial. office the utmost anxiety to reduce the expenditure in this direction to the greatest possible extent; and since 180 and 1816 the expenditure had been diminished from 0,0001. and 7,000/. to the present estimate—namely, 5,000/. While making this statement he might take the opportunity of mentioning to the house that the present governor of the Falkland Islands had dune much to promote the interest of the colony. Mr. SPOONER—There is • surveyor, costing 1,200!. What are his duties? (Laughter.) Mr. lIAWES—A surveyor is necessary in every colony where the land is let out to immigrating settlers. (Ironical cheers) Sir J. WALMSLEY—The hon. gentleman has as yet avoided answering my question. What is the number of troops in the colony ? (Great laughter.) Mr. HAWES—There arc no troops whatever. (Renewed laughter.) Mr. E. DENISON—I find the sum of 2501, set down for "emigration." Of course, the population of 100 find it extremely dull, and must be in want of a little change of company. (Laughter.) Are we to understand that the Colonial-office gives a bonus to the new comers? Mr. HAWES—The 2501., I believe, is spent in paying the expenses of pensioners going out from this country. Mr. WILLIAMS—I find that the local revenue in the islands is decreasing. Does this arise from a reduction in taxation, or from the impoverishment of the people? The CIiANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER—I am afraid the falling off arises horn reduction of taxation. (Laughter.) Mr. COIIDEN asked how many merchant vessels touched at the Falkland Islands last year? The year before nut a single vessel bad touched there, according to the report of the governor. Mr. IIAWES—I am not prepared to say how many ves sels touch at these Wands in the course of a year. But I do know that more vessels touched there last year than in the year before. (Laughter.) Mr. HUME-1 will not maintain that this station ought to be given up ; but I do put it to the government whether the station might not be kept up at a considerably less expense than at present. In my opinion, everything ne cessary could be effected for one-fourth of the present ex pense. Spain and Holland always make their colonies pay their expense*, an! we ought to do the same. Mr. IiANVES—I do not altogether oppose the general amendment of the hon. gentleman. I believe that the ex penditure in this colony is, indeed, rather large—(laughter) —and I may further state that the subject is at present under the consideration of my noble friend the Secretary for the Colonies. (Laughter.) Cu!. SALWEY—I want to know what is the religious persuasion of the majority of the 100 ? (Laughter.) I ask the question, because I find that 4001. is given to a chap lain. I should think that there cannot be more than ten families in the island, and this is rather dear pay fur the chaplain. Mr. IIAWES—I can only again say, in reply to these comments, that the matter is under the coasideration of the Colonial-office (Hear, hear.) The vote was then agreed to. The next vote proposed was 15,5001., "to defray the charge of Hong-Kong." Mr. SCOTT opposed this vote. Hong-Kong was the dearest piece of ground in her Majesty's possession. Hong• Kong was a place of an extent of only twenty miles, with nut more than twenty acres cultivated. Its population (lid not exceed 30,000. Fifteen-sixteenths of this Population were Chinese, only 450 being Europeans and Americans. And this 14,5001. was not the only expense. In Hong-Kong there was paid besides 24,0001. raised by the taxation of the people there ; and thus altogether the place cost 39,0001. The harbour-master received 460/. a year; yet it was a fact that hie duty was discharged by a Lascar who received little or nothing. The governor stated in one of the papers laid before the house that this vote had been greatly diminished. Hut there had been no diminution whatever in salaries, which were enormous. The governor I got 6,0001., the colonial secretary, 6,0001.; the survevor, 1,'_001., and the harbour master about 1,2001. He (\lr. Scott) had moved as en amendment on this vote last year, that it be reduced by 3,0001., and he thought it his duty to urge the same amendment this year. Mr. HAWKS saw in the speech and motion of the hon. gentleman but little encouragement to persevere in a rigid system of gradual economy. He (Mr. Hawes) had believed that the papers which had accompanied this estimate would have satisfied every member of the house that a safe gra dual reduction was being yearly made in this vote. It was quite true that last year the hon. gentleman hid proposed a reduction of 5,0001. in that year's estimate. But the estimate this year was less by 4,0001. than the esti mate last year, and yet the hon. gentleman again came for ward and suggested a further reduction of 5,0001. (" Hese, hear," from Mr. Scott.) In justification of the pre sent expenditure there had been a considerable increase in the trade of the colony. Comparing 1848 and 1831 the increase had been enormous. With the increase in the trade, population had greatly in creased; and putting these facts together, and taking into consideration also that the eapenditure had been considerably disainished,be thought the house would adm;t that there were no grounds whatever for pressing this amendment. Be yond what be had suggested it ought further to be remem bered that Hong-Kong was of importance to us, affording securities to the Engin , . trade in the Chinese seas. Mr. SPOONER found the sum of 4,9001. set down else where for the consul at Hong-Kong. This appeared a large sum. Mr. HAWES believed that this included the whole con sular establishments for China. Mr. BCOTT—No, no ; the consular estahlisluneuts in Mina cost 27,000/. (Hear, hear.) Mr. lIUME did not consider that the speech of the hon. gentleman was consistent with the facts of the ease. Facts which had come to his (Mr. Hume's) knowledge did not bear out the assertion so to the improvement in the position of the colony. (Hear, hear.) He was altogether misinniniud if the colony had not completely failed as respected the pur pose for which it had been estaolished. (Hear, hear.) When Hong-Kong was taken by us, it was with a view of making it a resort for Chinese merchants, and of removing the Bntish trade from Canton. Nothing of the kind had been accomplished. (Hear, hear.) No Chinese of any position or respectability had as yet settled at Hung- Kong. An English governor at Hong-Kong hail no more influence with the Chinese authorities than a governor of the Philippine islands. In Can ton, where some influence fur British interests might be obtained, we had no representative in the po sition to command Chinese respect. Dr. Bowring, our consul at Canton, was possessed of no influence whatever, and had never yet been so recognised as to procure an inter view with the Chinese governor of Canton. When commu nications had to be made between the English and Chinese governments they had to go from Canton to Hong-Kong, and back to Canton ; and, of course, in such a CAW, the go vernor at Hong-Kong exercised no influence. It was, at any rate, impis.ible to defend the salaries given at Hung-Kong. Such a colony as Hong Kong ought to be made self-sustaining, and being anxious for a reduc tion in the vote he would willingly go into the lobby with the hon. member who had moved the amendment. Viscount EALNI ELISION said that, as a commercial de pot, (long-Kong had answered to a great extent. There was a direct trade with many parts of China. But it should not he considered as a commercial station merely ; it should also be considered in connexion with its political hearing on China. Is hail been premed upon him by the commissioners at the settlement of the affairs of Chinn, that some spot free from Chinese caprice should be secured to this country, and Chusan was mentioned; but authorities in this country thought Hong-Kong preferable. It wan, in his opinion, however, necessary that there should be some spot on the coast of China, where British merchants could be free front from Chinese caprice, and not placid at the mercy of what ever party held the government of Canton. Of late there had been a reaction in Chinese policy against Euro Tan in. tercourse, and attempts had been made even to infringe the treaty, which, it was hoped, would need nothing more than remonstrance. But if the Chinese threw difficulties and obstructions in the way, it was of immense importance to have a central authority for the protection of British trade and commerce. The Governor ur Iliing-Kong had civil and criminal jurisdiction, and that formed a considerable. por tion of his duties. Under these circumstances, and seeing the importance of Hong-Kong in a political as well as a COalfal !VIA paint of view, he did not think the expense was greater than the considerations which were pleaded for its Mr. W, WILLIAMS.—It was not a question of giving' up Hong-Kong. It was a question of decreasing the cost of the establishments at Hong-Kong. Here was a governor getting 6,0001. a year-1,000/. more than the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) himself got. Lord PALMERSTON protested against the comparison of colonial salaries with those of the Secretary of State. For his own part, he considered that his right hon. friend was very much underpaid. (Laughter.) Comparing the salaries paid to the public servants of this country with those paid by rivate mercantile firms to their agents in China. he did not think they would consider the former ton high. Mr. J. CLAY agreed with the noble lord, that it was un fair to compare the salaries of one office with those of ano ther. Ile knew many gentlemen who would gladly accept the office of a county court judge at a thousand a year who would decline that of Lord Chief Justice at 3,0001. Mr. HUME considered, that to pay 3,000/. a year for re ceiving and auditing 23,000/., or to pay 1,2001. to the Surveyor-General of a rock only 20 miles in extent, was • most reckless expenditure. Mr. HAWES thought, that considering the climate, the salaries were not too large. Besides, they bud already been much reduced. Mr. SCUT 1 said they thought 39,0001. was too large a sum for thegorernment of such a place: Mr. MACGREGOR was confident the noble earl at the head of the colonial department would carry out the reduc• tioms which he had commenced. When he thought of the coniidencs with which ships went out 110 W to China, he asserted that Hong-Kong should be by no means held in light estimation. Captain SCOBELL said what they had to consider was, whether the colony could be governed at a chi aper rate. He thought the salary of the gov..rnor was most extravagant. Mr. HAWES said it was not as governor alone he had that salary, but as general superintendent of our trade in China. - After a few words from Mr. Ilvrcinivs, The committee divided— For• the amendment Against it 65-26 The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was a tutu of 5,5001. for defraying the charge of L ihuan. Mr. ACME asked who was the governor of Labuan, seeing that both the governors were in England ? Mr. HAWES said Sir J. Brimke was governor, and Mr. Scott deputy-govenior ; and that that vote had ken de creasing every year. In 1819 it was 7,800/. ; in IMO, 6,7001., while in 1851 it was only 5,600/. After some discussion, in which Mr. Urquhart, Mr. Wil liams, Mr. Hume, and Mr. An4ey took part, The vote was agreed to. 25,T111., charge of the Colonial Land and Emigration Board and the officers. On this vote being proposed, Mr. F. SCOTT remarked that the number of persons who emigrated annually was about 280,000. Of these about 12,1100 or 13,000 emigrated under the superintendence of the colonial hoard, at a charity of 12,0001.,—a charge dis proportionately large compared a ith the services performed. In fact, the expense of the board increased annually, while the number of emigrants who went out under their super intendence decreased. In his opinion, the emigration board ought to plaee themselves in communication with every parish in the kingdom, and then the number of emigrants going out under their care would increase. Mr. lIAWES said that since 1817 emigration to the Aus tralian colonies had very much increased. Parliament had refused its assistance to such emigration, and it was there fore necessary to raise the required funds by land sales in is the col .s ; but for the increase or diminution of those sales the commissioners were not responsible; they expended the whole of the funds placed at their disposal from that source in furthering emigration. The hon. gentleman said the establishment had been greatly increased, but that was solely owing to the increased number of the emigrants • and believed that no reduction could be made in it with ativan• tage. ?Ir. SCOTT was understood to say that a saving of some 1,500?. a year might be effected Ly adopting Swath amptuu instead of Deptford. After a brief conversation, the vote was agreed to. Oa the vote of 60,0001. for the maintenance of liberated Africans, Mr. ICUME asked what was doing, and what govern ment was intending to do, with regard to the slave squadron ? Lord PALMERSTON said the committee would recol lect that discussions took placc with regard to this matter last year, and that an assurance was given by government to add additional efficiency to the preventive measures which had been some time in force ; and in consequence thereof there was a greater stringency both on the coast of Africa and the coast of Brazil. These measures had been attended with great success—almost more rapid success than could have been expected. On the coast of Africa the slave trade might be said to be almost extinguished for the moment north of the line, with the exception of Jeagas and Porto Nuevo, and in these two places the British cruisers had spoiled their trade, and the parties who were formerly employed in the slave trade were commencing dealing is palm oil and the other products of the country. Ile believed it to be perfectly true that the propensity to I the slave trade was as great as ever in the minds of the class who got presents for the slaves, but the bulk of the people, who were commercial by nature and turn of mind, were anxious to have European commodities, and were anxious to buy these commodities with anything that would be taken. They had thought for a long time that nothing but slaves would be taken , but when they found that almost anything would be taken, they were more willing to give the commodities of the country than slaves. Steps had been taken for the cultivation of cotton, and specimens had been brought to this country, and submitted to the Chamber of Commerce ut Manchester, who reported the cotton to be of an exceedingly valuable kind, and one which would fetch a good price in the market. In the Portuguese settlements the slave trade had been also very much diminished. The Portuguese governor had cordially, and with great sincerity he believed, supported the British admiral. There were at the game time among the inferior officers of the Por ; tuguesc government many who still held to the tempta tions offered by the slave trade. On the Portuguese coast generally the slave trade had been paralysed, many of the slave traders had stopped their transactions, and many of them had turned to trade of a legitimate kind. On the eastern coast of Africa the Imaum of Muscat had during the last year afforded facilities to the cruisers which he hail not De -1 fore given, and the result was that one point in the southern extremity of his dominions, where there was formerly a great slave trade carried on for the supply of Brazil baracoons, had been destroyed capable of holding 5,000 slaves. A great blow had been struck at the slave trade on that part of the coast, by their greater activity, by treaties which had ! been made with the native chiefs, which he was happy to say had been observed in many places with great fidelity ; by the progress made with Liberia; by arrangements made with the chiefs of Salinas, and by the co-operation of the governor of the Portuguese settlements, great progress had been made. And he w as h a p py t o be le to state, that the most perfect and cordial co-operation prevailed between the British cruisers and the crubiers of France and America. IThe chief point to whi c h th e African slave trade had been formerly directed was the coast of Brazil, and the inquiries I instituted by the committess which had inquired into the subject showed the dimmest's number of slaves who used every year to be landed on that roast. In the early part of last year the Britieh cruisers that lead been for a long time detained io the river Plate, in consequenc e of the untbrtunate differences between this country and the government of Buenos Ayres, were more concentrated on the coast of Brazil, and their operatiems heiran to he much more active and more effectual. Communications took place with the government of Brazil, and the re-eult was that the Brazilian government in September last passed an additional law for punishing and preventing the slave trade. They had at least exerted that vigilance, noel put forth that power which it was always his opinion that they could do if they chose, and the result had been, that in the course of the eight months during which they had so acted they had almost extinguished the slave trade with Brazil. The number of slaves brought into Brazil in the year 18,0 was not, upon the widest calculation, above halt the number which had been brought in in former years. The greater number of them were brought in in the first half of the year; but in the first quarter of the present year up to April he believed that very few slaves indeed were brought into Brazil. The number, indeed, was stated at a few hue , deeds, instead of at a great number of thousands. And ho could state that the government of Brazil was co ' operating moat sincerely and effectually with the government of England in fulfilling the obligations of the treaty with England. We had laboured under a great mistake in this country in supposing that the Brazilian nation, as a nation, were clinging to the slave trade. The fact was that there was a certain number of Portuguese settlers who exercised great influence by their capital over the minds of persons in power in that country, but it was a laetitious influence. There had grown up in Brazil within the lest few years an anti-slave party; they had newspapers who espoused their cause; they were represented in the parliament of Brazil, and he believed ho might say that a large majority of the people were against the slave trade. The result had been that the Brazilian go vernment had co-operated with the English cruisers in seizing slave traders upon the coast. They hail seized and destroyed baracoons along the whole extent of the coast; they had brought to trial persons accused of the slave trade ; they had seized slaves that were landed, and already dispersed in plantations ; and they had exercised, in one or two cases, the power which their constitution gave them of famishing foreigners notoriously engaged iu Cie trade, but who, from difficulties which existed, they were unable to bring under the jurisdiction of their courts. Ile heard that a great number of these slavetraders had quitted Brazil, and gone to Portu gal, and lee wrote to our consuls in Limon and Oporto, who replied that 140 persons who had Melt engaged in the slave trade had gone over to Portaged, and were investing ' their gains in buying land and houses and that they had given up the slave trade in despair. lie was told by one of , our naval officers that one of the Pons: ics fancily had lust 8.5 vessels by captures, and that one with another their value was 2,4004 a pb cc. Another proof that the Bra zilisns had given up the trade was that a large floating capital, to the extent of 1,200,0I;L, which had been invested in slave trade operations, had recently been withdrawn and invested in a bank of discount. (Rear, hear.) The other day, in debates on the Brazilian parliament, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Viscount Orlando, and other per sons, expressed themselves in the strongest terms, stating that they considered the slave trade to be for ever cotelemned and put an e tel to by Bee unanimous voice of all nations, and tie .y exclaimed in the same lan guage that had been froquensiy u-eel ill that house against the demoralising and slestruetive effects which the slave trade Shad had 011 their country. It vsac quite la mentable to read the accJuatt which the different memfers of the Brazilian government gave of thee state of that country in the annual reports which were Wel the other day on the table of the Brazilian parlia ment. There was neither education norjustice, nor any of those arrangements which were peculiar to civilizeel countries, and the Brazilians themselves attributed the want of all these things to the prevalence of slavery in their country. Therefore he said there did soon to be taking place in Brazil a change of opinion which was and gratifying. lie was convinced that if the present eystern of repression was carried on for some time longer, that there would grow up in Brasil a state of opinion which would put it out of the power of the government, , if it should wish it, to allow of the contiulanec of itio slave trade. Ile trusted that by long perseverance this country, if it did nut succeed altogether in putting an end to the slave trade, would mince it to the very nar rowest limits. Sir J. I'AKINGTON said he did not feel so sanguine as the noble lord *wenn d to be that the Mace trade would be permanently iliniiiii.lied to long as we contined to givi7 it enc o uragement l v admitting slave labour produce into this country. The Queens spen), at the beginning of the session, contained an announcement that the Brazilian government had been taking important mea sures for the repression of the slave trade ; the noble lord hail just given the first explanation they bad heard of that passage in km Majesty's sl s Lord PALMERSTON said the slave trade papers for the year were in preparation, and would contain all the juror motion the hon. gentleman required. In 1826 the Brazi lian government enteral into a treaty with Great Britain in which they stipulated that the Brazilian slave trite should be piracy, but the Brazilian government did not pass any law to carry that provision into effect. With regard to Cuba the slave trade had fur soul, year. beim reduced us compared with the slave trade to Brazil. He certainly believcd that, in consequence of the great mortality of slaves in Cuba from cholera, there had been symptoms on the port of those en gaged in the trade to pursue it with greater activity ; but the Spanish government hail given them (the British go ern me nt) to understand that they would exert their authority to prevent it ; and he had no reason to believe that any gnat increase had taken place in Cuba. Mr. E. DENlSON:expressed his satisfaction at the speech of the noble lord. Mr. HUME was pleased at the result ; but that was not owing to their increased exertions on the coast of Africa, but to the change of opinion rn.mgst the Brazilians. (Ilear, hear.) He believed it would have been produced much sooner if their fleet had been withdrawn, and, if tho Spanish government followed the example of the Bra zilian, it might be now withdrawn altogether. . . After a few words from Mr. Forster r , Sir T. Acland, Sir G. l'echell, and Lord 11. Vane, Lord J. RUSSELL said after the statement of his noble friend it was not necessary for hint to detain the committee, but lie thought it desirable to say a few words lest it should he misled by the advice of the hon. member for Montrose, who recommended them to withdraw their squadron from the coast of Africa—(hear, hear)—and said that the slave trade could be more securely and promptly suppressed by doing so. If that were dune he was afraid they might again behold the horrors of the slave trade renewed. (Hear, hear.) In saying that he was not stating his own opinion, but that of Admiral Fanshawe, who had recently returned from Africa, and whose opinion was that if they continuer) the squadron for a few years longer it might he greatly diminished and the expenses thereby reduced, but that at would not be safe to make that redaction at present. (Ikar, hear.) There remained the slave trade of Cuba, in which there were some symptoms of increase. lit trusted that the house, having given its support to the government for their efforts to suppress the slave trade on the coast of Africa and Brazil, would continue that support for the purpose of suppressing it on the coast of Cuba. Nothing of importance now remained but the slave trade of Cuba, and the success in Brasil should encourage them to persevere in their effbrts as regarded Cuba. His right hon. friend at the head of the Admiralty had .beon very lately considering measures for cutting oil the means of carrying slaves to Cuba. (Rear.) The vote was then agreed to. 14,6501. was voted tor the expense of the mixed commis sion. On the next vote of 11:4,4091. for the expense of the con sular establishments abroad, Mr. URQUHART moved that the chairman report pro _ ° T.Orel :J. RUSSELL hoped that the hon. gentleman would go on. Mr. URQUHART said it was then past 12 o'clock, and the house was exhausted. The hon. member concluded by moving that the chairman report progress, and ask leave to sit again. Colonel SIBTHORP supported the motion. Mr. C. Lewis, Mr. Brutherton, and Mr. Home, having made a few remarks, The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remiudcd hon. members that the session ought to be coming to • close, but unless they ant on more rapidly than heretofore, it would be impossible to say when they might get through. There were estimates yet to be gone over which would occupy them four or five nights. his had anticipated that the session would have been wound up about the beginning of the second week in August, but ut the rate at which they were proceeding, it would be quite out of the question to expect that their labours would be brought to a close atthat time. After a short conversation, the committee divided— For reporting progress 26 Against The vote for the consular establishments having been again put, Mr. HUME moved that the chairman report progress. Lord J. RUSSELL thought the sense of the h ouse had been already efficiently tested. lie would not, however, object to the chairman reporting progress, as, if hon. mem bers persevered, their time would only be wasted. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEIt hoped that hon. members would not in future take up so lunchtime with motions preliminary to going into committee of supply. Mr. WILLIAMS thought their opportunities of bring ing forward the motions referred to were few enough. li i After some further conversation the house resumed, the Chairman reported progress and asked lease to sit again. CONVEYANCE OF MAILS BY RAILWAYS BILL. On the motion for the s,vorsd reading of this bill, Mr. REYNOLDS moved the adjournment of the house, upon the ground that at that hour (twenty minutes to one o'clock) there were no fewer than nine opposed Irish bills on the paper. Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the hon. member would paid pone his motion until the Irish bills were regularly called on. The motion was negatived without a division, and the second reading of the hill was posToned. MERCHANT SEAMENS ' , CND BILL This bill passed through committee. MARRIAGES (INDIA) BILL. This bill, as amend: d, was considered and agreed to. VICTORIA PARK BILL. This bill was read a second time. CONSTABULARY FORCE (IREL.tND) BILL. On the motion that this bill be read a second time, Sir It. FERGUSON objotted to the memure, After a few worth from Lord CLE,LSNTS and !dr. REY NOLDS, The bill was read a second time. :harasser." (Hew.) . His right ! desirable that the sewers and the water supply should bout fear or favourtAgsghts we , under eontbig kg smoggement, if no peasurcipould in the national churds;.:(sms bad a tm ~lIMF•ft.P.IO.I 4 alik'sosul.p, k i body, depressed in spi "t; he t u % propose mires temporary add Provisional am of their lordshipsK , y jpeemnt sessile. oder th ese ant • ' ,__MEGISTEAtION OF ALIENS. -. Mr. DIVE • I7 asked Os noble lord whether be imp I London, LA Casaikell • , and La,ll, Zs,. paredds sepal the set of Willie% IV., caned an act far din believing hat the Justidaation oared registration of aliens ? The greatest anstoyane• was Bishop of Gloucester, who had lately been penenced by foreigners coming to Folkestone and Dover, another place," was fa and complete. account of that very absurd and useless law. (Cheers.) then dimmed. - Lord J. RUSSELL said, that aliens were subjected COMPANY Dint This bill was read a third Unwind passed. LINCOLNSHIRE ESTUARY BILL. This bill teas also read a third time and passed. HOVE IMPROVEMENT BILL. This bill was considered, and ordered fo e a third reading. - --- Itiaoiii - iiiiiiiia7 This bill was read a second time. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tun CRYSTAL PALACE.—By Mr. BEST, from Kidders minger ; Mr. BASS, from the high bailiff and inhabitants of Murton-on-the-Member; Mr. BRAMSTON, from a place not heard : Mr. SOTHERON, from Bradford, Wilts; Lord MAHON, Xrom the inhabitants of Hertford : Mr. HEADLAM, from Newcastle-on-Tyne; Mr. HUME, from Arbroath, Forfar, de, praying for the conversion of the Crystal Palace into a 'tinter garden. Fetus Fimun.—By Mr. MEAGHER, from millers ' and others in the city and county of Waterford and from the county of Kilkenny ; Mr. KNOX, from Dungannon ; Mr. P. BtTLEIt, from all the millers of the county of Kilkenny and otters; Mr. GROGAN, front the city of Dublin and its neighbourhood ; Mr. O'FLAIIER tY, from t;alway, complaining of the injurious effects of the importa tion of foreign dour upon the milling interests of those localities, and praying (or relief. LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND). Mr. 8. CRAWFORD said that in consequence of what fell front the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) on Saturday, he should take the earliest possible opportunity neat session of moving fur leave to bring in a bill upon this subject. METROPOLITAN CEMETERIES. Mr. C, plyiniiolOttiii(7%;;;Ttied that no cemeteries had hitherto been purchased by the Commis sioners of the Board of Health in pursuance of the act passed last session, but negotiations were pending for the purchase of the Brompton and Nunhead Cemeteries. THE WATER SUPPLY —THE SEWERS COMMISSION. Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply to a question from Mr. T. Dv:sewing as to the intentions of the govenunent with respect to legislation on water supply this session, said the course of the government must depend upon the ings of the co mm i ttee to w h om t h e su bj ect had =lit rryd ; but, supposing that the committee should not report au time to admit of legislation this session, the government could, of course, take no step is the matter; and as it woo 7 l i