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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ' HOUSE OF LOiri - )S.—tCEstIAY, Ann. 8. The Lotto CZAPICILI.I.OII took his seat at Iva o'clock. CLAM BY THE EAST INDIA cOupAsy ON THE GOVERNMENT. Lord MONTEAGLE wished to put the following ques tion to the noblo lord the l're.i.lentot the Baud of Control, namely, whether there would he any 'obj. ction to produce any correpondenc , which might hare taken place between the Treasury and the Board of Control, or any other de partment of tl.e. gust rnmvnt, and the L 44 India Company, on the subject of a eSaim for the payment of 400,0nw. all, 4,11 to be due on account of exptis.--s of the late Chinese wart Lord BROUGIITON hogged, in answer to the question, to say, that it wo• quite true that the 1..4 b•osipany had inane a demand to the amount stated; and it was also true that a eurresoondence had mkt •, :Ate littn'een some departments of the government and the East India Com ploy. 114 thought it was better for km reit to make any further remark- on the subject at peeant, and he belated to say that he had no objection to lay tee papers on the table of the house. 111:TIN Y BILL AND mAniNr. MI:TINY BILL. On the motion of the Mite of 1 41`ohl.loutuo, them bills went through committee. 11.:017NTY r3)l' It VS (1 1 I 11k TIiNSID_ I N) BILL. On the quiotion tit the re-conunitment. of this big, Lord 111‘0111:11AM suit, that before the bongo went Info committee, be wished to call attention to two important eonliderations coonected with tit'. bill, namely, w)ictlier it would he nee: golury to inms late the number of the county court jueLpo, mail if s „ •,,i what fonds I would the coteries of Vow: judges he apportioned. He found from sift et: 0 tor... that the ay..roge numher of days during which the a nutty court jneloto had sat for the last two years was not loon than six moo.h. in therar, namely, 157 days, and he tumid o'.• • that only id of these judge. had releeeded tnat aver ..0.. Now, it was obvious that if those learned p .rionsio .4 it more days in th • year thi y would Ise able to t7ansaet a greater amount of busitese. b. •ir.) 11, did wit apprehend that it would be necessary to inert the number ol . judges except. perhaps, in nom of th- nietnowelitan distieets. It was people"! that thew jailors should he compeogi•ed in a is a...motile manner for the iner amount of Imolai:so which would deirolvenpon them, mud a fund for that pure 0 .., was alreody supplied, for the system, ha was happy to say, sup ported itself, awl gave a emosideroble surplus, namely, 34,0001. per anniim, whirl, was paid into the tn..- miry. Ile must again, as he hail often h fine, elepre tato an unwise eystem of I ennqiny, the oily emit of whirl must ho, to cripple the administration of jean"'. Ile need not refer to a more strikiire iredorire than tie which was exhibited in the void over vet hie nobly owl loomed friend on th • wools-irk ereobled, where the gveatoot iojory was ,hue: In the ,•:; no in cooseqwence wf tho lawisqu ki,jl.l4lVi tt staff ergot*. court. (War.) The hewn then went isito th e bbiill , the cm. efileratio of the int 11 clan's of which was, by enoiseot, pigpmeol. Th. LORI,/ CIIANCELI.OR said that lie lad been re priomool sort friendly to the ems , • of law reform. Lord 111‘0111ii lASI —I del not •ay w. The 1•011111 C 11.% NCY,LLOR (bawd mean to soy that his nolde and learnisl friend hail mid ha' he • yard anions him that he nimbi 6111 him (tin. Lord I 'hour Doe) a will ing coadjutor in all those attempts to reform Us, law whieh his noble and learned t• nil so often, nod so much for the benefit at the emiutry, la id mode. 'I I•••r• were two sets of Glasses in this 1,1,1, to which hr wile to r-ill the att• ntion wf the house -those elatioo rid) rrioo matter, of aecount and edit, r matters of inquiry to the •ill'oere of the Comity Court.. They alien heard of the thousauels of mots which Wen• dopy. d of in the t 'minty Como.; but, is poilit of fort, ye o a t ear lOW were rii•posiril .4 in Li few When, however, the hu•isiess of tl • County l'ourt juihtes rebook il to Want •f• n,bra. - og locus=t. and mote enupli antsd ow Aiwa, where midonnity in the law was desirable, it heetnie of into nie imisotanes• ter bee that the tribunal was a competent out% It was proposed that partiesl should have di • power of referrioo etcheili questjous and certain arriainta— Lord ItitirtligUlAW.—Only if dot court should send them. 101(1) CIIANCELLOR duties which ori ginally derisive(' twat the t7ounty Court judges were of n lin, ad thermic', and their s•rary was Hull at 1,1000/. year, a posit that the gentlinsi u w, re lint ter" weU quiddird for the duties of their prof.-.ion, or th. y would not have lass content to retire upon Lowe a year ; and duties were non tonight to he impisooll up., them which envin il all lite• learnitor, experience. and intent,: 'es' of masters iu Cbanrery. Ilr did not mien to • tat all titain the judges of til.• eealiity total*, but it niust Is• r meinbensl that some •,f them had previously N.,•• jo.la.s of little lord onerts. AU the sixty comity coot oi I would hate the duties of the Court of Chan cery id upon them without any pea sious ••sperience, ro o t dutiev err of el very complicated charestrr. DLab • if :ter.klnt were referred to the ina.ters i,t ( • neery, and u. Osier Vie Lord Chancellor nor the Vies.-Cliane• Hoot knew hat tits diameter of the accounts alight ; hut by this lib it war proposol that the Lord thanes Bur or A o s Ch Inc.•lbir should refer time matters to the jute-s of county • ...rt. O . ' they thought it would be ell• -'rabic tea to so, thus tends bag lb • rot" oity of a presiou • iuquirs by the Linn Chum nor or Viceselmoesllor, which toted moo -.trill entail gnat Uvulae and topen•e. L. que.tions of title arol tole r matter, which caw liefore the misters, the Looloil no, aka Wen• peculiarly acquainted with the omn,. ; and *martini. • it was thought ne ecosiry f o r cot Oriel tin att• ; hot if thioe in quiry, took place in the onesitr parties 100 -t • de er red iif suro eNiiiient aid. link etc r pluk.iltle it niioht 01 . 0.11". it %Mail bl• 111104 .31111 . to WWI down to rOlllll7 coortg lodge •• on them to einli rk is .:ter.. 0 „meting whi.il till hail hail to• experi, lle was th rel.m oppiosl to the first braneli ••1 these 1 . 1.1t111011. The arenial activa of elan" use. lone %Well might p .rrap. ▪ clip'. .1 wills afl.allt"lg, Thew dailies related to the tahiug art:ideate riry ra r e in the County Courts. Ile admitted the re were cam:tin:nom, whivb m, tht m•ot erne. , /tient!, :a. taken in the rimier). hill, bowel, r, those clause, were not free from objeetion, au I wh••n he yonsi den..l l'i•• foefiiticii of railway rommunnation which %ere now-rears ••njoyed, they %ere the les. necessary than when the espeno. and 414 in tratellisra wore much greater. It might b, desirable, that, instead 1.1 the prrietit Moth; of examining witne., in the country, MOM, ether mush:should be taken -.that the county nein judge, should hill.. the power of takimt their examinations rine rote. Ile wag, however, afraid that if isounsel were to attend these Cons the expetioo, in place of being diminished, would in t:wawa. De thought goo...douse. were framed int o . atomics• of that full ronsolimition which wars en inser+eary in matters of this description. Ile would be told by his noble and learned friend (laird Brougham) that this woe a great blunder-that it was all a mistake. Ile would alx, In. tilt that these clauses hot been approsed of by peroms hioti in autliorit) ; but ..new ithstan,fing, after haring fidly consi den 3 th.- ',dicta, he was of the epiniou that th•• nest al loses aliould I. • maithsl. Th•• 4,4 , 111t1 he would not "woe. Lord ItUlNllill.lbl said his noble and hen-nett friend (the Lord lit turillar) had till then, what he (taiga Itroughani) was. likely to sa). P.11111..s they would allow him (fiord (troughana) to state wli it he rselly meant to nay. (Ismighter.) The noble lord (the Lunt llama ger) had entirely mistaken the hill, for the provision 4 objeet• A to had termed A portion of a prrsitOSS measure. The molde lord then read a elan, from a former art to show that rirn nice csaminations were directed to he take,, in the country under the KIM' circumstances a. 51.1,1 the case in the present bill. Ily that act it appeared that examinations were token and C.l4s r, freed into the reran. try which had not been previotedy inquired into in London at all. Iles (lord Hrongh en's) noble friend had erns mseisly suppoool that hy the prownt measure the i'att . * teen-ferred to the county ion:rtis would he those into which inquiry had heel, pn.viously 'node. Now this was not the !Me. Ile (Lord Brougham) did not /tee why an) eac.rption could be taken to the examinotion of witnemes in 11w county snorts. Many of these witness.," were examined as to mere matters of tact on which no pt. it difficulty could arise, and the duties connected therewith the county court judges weft. quite as well qualified to dinharge ns wcce the Mas ten, i n 10,,, 07 , , e ,bl e friend (the Lord Chancellor) bad argaiol that because these judge% received a gal try of I,ool'. .1 y.ne, they could not lw vispeetell tit he comr.itent to the discharge of the italics impoiiril on them by this bill. Now they must recollect that parliament had voted these judges land:. aear, and they had cut them down to 1,000 , /,, and when t hey hail done so, wore they t• mea sure the value of these jioto s i.e the amount of salary they now received ? Ile (Lord Coauohom) took it on him to say that these county court judges were men fully ode quote to the performance of all the duties which this bill contemplated. If it were their determination to strike out the..• clauses, he should decline to prow the subject any further. Lora CRANWORTiI said the Otiose' to which he noble friend (the Lord Chancellor) had taken exception, were not • out, unohjectiouable hit likely to he productive of much I good. With all deferent,e to hi. noble and le treed friend (the Lord Chancellor) he could not see the force of I bid objecthms to than aloft,. The movement was one in the right ilirectiim, and would enable them to tee how far legielotion of this kind could be extended, I,ordt'AMPIIF.LL supported the clauses as highly bene tidal. lle had thoroughly nod closely sifted the provisions of this bill, slid was toady to say that they had his entire ratul ,, one 07 UM obscry at ia regarding the faactions at pr. sent discharged by judges of toasty wart, and argued that they were fully competent to fulfil all the frictions imposed on then by this bill. The 1.0111) C HAN CEL I,olt repeated bis objections Lathe equity clauses, bat said he would not give the house the trouble of dividing on the subject. The 13th clause was then esrsed to, r also were all the claim. up to the 21st inelu•ise. The 22nd clause, which proposed to give power to the Lord Chancellor to mike general orders r to the mode of eum i n ing wineries, waa struck out, Lord Brougham un dertaking to bring up on iniproicd clause on the report. Chagas 23 to 26 were respectly to. Os clause 27, " Barristers. whether tietcrl or not, may appear on behalf of parties," Lent CAMPBELL rid that a former act forbade bar enters coming into court and pleading for parties, wi res instructed DT an attorney. Bo did nut think that this should bo prohibited, and his own first judgment upon coring into his present dike, and which -- agreed with by his brother judges, tem that a roe might ptead • canoe me circuit, and, under zertain eiseametaneee, without the intervention of an attorney. Bllol.lollAll mid he had objected to the clause of 1146, r that foe the bat time int:oilseed a Let It to left %the coneeisme and &Wreak+ of coast, as is the ohm worts. whether. and la whet tank batiste. 14111 Mai milbot iiislegaty. The LORD CHANCELLOR expressed some doubts as to tho education and character of the race of men who would spring up combining the capacity of attorney and advocate. It would certainly he improper to admit in all Case; a barrister to come int° court and plead without the usual instructions, and he would submit th his noble and learned friend's consideration whether it was necessary, or whether it would add respectability . and standing to th court*, and tend to protect the public front incompetent practitioners, if the clause were to etas in it, present , affirmative form that any banister mi4bt appear in court on any proceedings without instructions front an attorney. Lord CILIN WORTH suggested that perhaps the better war of dealing with the question we. that these counts sh,;all.l be open, like the courts in Westreinster-hall. Lord BROL:011A31 said that he would not press his view ohstinately—perhnle , be might nil 1 hopelessly—hut it appeared to him that g, riflemen who associated with the rest el the profession—dined with them in term—would not be generally of the character appreheuhd by his noble and learned friend, or Is n , l themselves, to the underhan I pro ceedings of proflie,re parties, and he believed that the view of his twine and learned frieell would prove a little exag gerated. A very slight dwell would be applied by leaving the section of the ace of 1816. The LORD CHANCELLOR, in reference to the two clauses 27 and 23, oherved that by th -le provisions actions of any kind and whatever the amount involved might, if both parties agreed, be tried in the c eenty ; they were to have power to r ;elate ail. Such an enactment could hardly fail to create confn eine, and he thought it would not only be iaconvenient to the judges hut er judicial to suitors themselvce. Ender these circumstance, ho must propene that the clan.e and el tut., Zes, which was dependent on it, should be omitted. Lord 1.11:01:fellA31 said that the object of the clause in question we, merely to remove doubts which preenikel as to the censtruction of the optional juriedktion clause in the act of tele, which enabled panic. to bring any kind of action into C.suuty Courts. The elanee wen , framed in conformity with the tent cal weee and object of the present bill, which W••••• to throw open the neon of the County Courts as widely as possible to ad cis, s, with the consent of the parties. By the arrangement proposed parties would be able to obtain lu•tiee at th, :r own doors, in-teed of being compelled to incur expense, and delay by carrying their suits to dietanttrihunal. lOr his part, he could see no objection to the clauses, but Its noble mad learned friend disliked local jurisdiction. The I.OIID CHANCELLOR.—No, no. Lied BROUGHAM thought that every one who heanl his noble and harried (theca speak in opposition to the ,e fe ty clauses must be of opinion that inieeso, noe" meant ree pre." the ORD CHANCELLOR explained that he did not ohjei t to the ' , eight rjuriselietien of the County Court*, but he object. -el to est. a i ling it. l.nrd IIitOCGIIANI.-I'recisely so; and he asked his noble awl learned friend whether, if he had leen in this house lint year, he would not have objected to extend the juriedietien of fhocin'y Courts to .50/. ? The LORI/ CII.INCELLOR thought that their lordships had already aufficieut before them to iecupy their e tt e etion, and there:fent he would decline introducing a fresh one. Lord LEAtmosT thought that the two chile. s, taken in reline:ion with each other, went beyond the intention of tee • naetneed of von. Lid C.IIIPBELL said that the power mitered by the clauee in the former net had never la-en acted upon, and its extension, therefore appeared to Ise unealkd tor. Lord IlltOteLll.lM said he , did not like to surrender the clau se ., but iu toe present state of the house (there were only two peers besides Lord Broughun himself un the Op potation side) neietence on hi. part was hopeless. Chime* 27 and Lel were then struck out. Ch'ing , 29, 311, and 31 were agreed to, and clauses 32 and 33 (as we undenteted) postpuntd. flame: el was muted to. Ti, which enacts that two judges on circuit mar determine appeals from County Cintrts, was then 'imposed. Lord DEACIIONT objected to the clause. Lord lilte1:611.1M said he deemed this clause of se much importance that he mint record his upinieu on the point by troubling their lordshipe to divide. The committee then divided— )"or the elause 4 Aletinst it ll-10 The enamor was accordingly struck out. 'I he remaining clauses of the bill were then struck nut. Lord IlltOUtillANl, with regeed to the n e stpe l eil clauses, thee° mating to courts act ri culleilval , lie said lie believed if they were retained, they would (elect a great and decided improvement in the administration of the law, awl that such courts would he an important step gained Near& an extensise and reheat improvement of the judi e eysteia. Whatever tended to brine the parties in a suit as directly and immediately us messitile bethre the jitney could ail in preventing those mieehiefs which the inter ferenee of a lore class of legal erettiticiners too (eminently teraeioned. sflie peopeed pneailed iu France, iu North Deem say, in Switzerland, anti is D'•amark, mud in all, especially Denmark, heal bee-nate-eh d with seem - es; cud unless human nature was different here from what it was in thoev (-wearier, he could nut uuderstund why it should net be equally sue oeseful in this country. In France, where it had suceemb .1 to a leer exited than in the other countries, of u menet' eose, breuebt I ;*.,e., tee juice du pail, who was the judee of the Court ~f It, eolicilement, thne-fourths were amicably :settled by the ta,listion of that fun , tern ary. *flume were eines 'evolving c . :111. under 1,000 franc, ; in ewer 111V0h113 turger 11M111.111ts oily about one-thinl were arranged by the same means. In Denmark eine-tenths of the causes were settled amicably by the advie of the judge of thew courts of reconeilnaent. It had !teen Illt• it etc d that SUOI a system would ruillle parties who hail ws inteution of taming to an arratr4aairnt throUlh theee courts to obtain,* knowleilee of their opponente, Cane ; but their object should not in all ca. , . be the interest of the parties in the Neil, but the int, r. st of justice. As these chnoce were aNiVted to, how ece:. though c ntertainine a very geeing opinion un the subject himself, he should not peen them. 'Me clauses we re then put and negatived. Their lordship, adjouratel at e) minute. to 9. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tresn‘T, Aran. 8. The SPLAILER took the chair at four o'clock. THE Si'. ALBANS ELECTION—ABITECTION OF WITNESSES. Mr. AGITONLIT presented a petition from Henry Ed wards, stating that he is in custhily, having been committed under the Speaker's warrant ; that he wan informed it had been reported to the house that he and a person named Hayward bail prevent. -d the attendanet of a n t named Waggett before the St. Allkuis election committee, and hail {risco him money for the purpose of concealing himself. lle dine, il the truth of these allegations, and 'prayed that he might be heard in some way ir other in hi. defence. Ile priced that be might be set at liberty on rising an under taking 1., a;,ilear before the cvoinfliittic and give t vidence, and to olk-r the orders of the house in all particulars. The bon. 111.•111114T said he was not responsinh, in th e slightest degree for the allegations in this petition, but he thon.:ht the attention of the )1"11.4" ought to Ike called to it, and he would, therefore, move that the petition he printed and taken into consideration to-morrow (this dB Z ) * Mr. E. ELLICE, jun. (the chairman of the contreittec), said he could have no possible objection to the motiou. The motion was then agreed to. Mr. F. ELLICE, jun., said, by direction of the commit tee he had to report that the agent of the petitioner bad' ,tated upon oath that James Skait and Thomas Itirelimore had been examiued by him, and that by their evidence he could estitilish distinct acts of bribery on the part of the sitting member : 3111 that IlOttl itkitanding warrants hail been issued and attempts made to serve such warrants, on the :said James Skait and Thomas Birehmore, all such attempts had hitherto failed. The hon. gentleman said he could assure the house that it was a most painful duty he had to perform in this matter ; and he would merely state that which he thought was right, because this was the second application lie hail made to the house fur the committal of persons. Them was not the slightest doubt in the minds of the c..mmittee that there hail been a wholesale abstraction of evidence before the committee. In the two cases now before the house the depmitions of the parties had previously been taken and signed by themselves. Of course they had nut those depositions before them, but the agent who was privy to them had stated on his oath that he - believed, from the nature of these documents, that if the witnesses were forthcoming. he would he able to substantiate acts of bribery Now these parties disappeared on the very day the warrant was issued. They had been absent from their homes, and no endeavour, either on the part of the police or of other parties, had been sufficient to trace them. It was the decided opinion of the committee that those witnesses had absconded in order to avoid giving evidence ; and all be could say was that if such con duct was to be permitted by the house, it would be impos sible ever to stet at the bottom of any ease of bribery, and that any attempt to do so would be frustrated. Ender these circumstances he should move that James Skait and Tho- MallEirchinore, having abseinided from the service of a war rant, have been guilty of a breach of privilege ; and then he would s•'" • parties, have' been , \ 3•Ellr e tZ Ins lattatur Wel gimlet= I:Zist et ' iI um kw. L the matt IN% sat a 111111114100 I THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 9, 1851 steamer, and officer commanding the British forces; and also from Sir Raja Brooke, of Sarawak, rispecting their military operations against alleged pirates on the river Mo. ratalias, and other places in the eastern Archipelago, in March and April. 1849. Mr. LABOUC HERE suggested that an alteration should be made in the words of the motion. His lion. friend called Sir James Brooke Sir Raja Brooke. That was an assumption of title by his hon. friend that he thought he had no right to make. (Laughter.) The muti.•n was altered ae , m:iiittly. and then arced to. VICTUALLING THE NAVY. with regard to linen , i t might be remembered that some f ing chases , said that the melded which he was about i might be much improved was, by getting old houses o li i time ago, upon the moeien of the noble member for Bath Ito bring tender the consideration of the house wits adapting them to better purposes. The profits arising (Lord Ashley), a commission was appointed to inquire into I now so familiar to the minds of honourable members, , from that mode of proceeding were very large indeed. In the best mode of subdividing po i :uloui parishes for ceeloi.ts- that it would not be necessary eesary for hhn to enter anon I the ease of mane houses winch had been thus adapted, no tical purposes. The commissioner-, were the Archbishop of , those minute details, which it inig:d hale been necessary to i l ees th en 12 per cent. h a d Ire. realised. There was one Sir E. Buxton, the :go into some twenty year. ago. As the subject , however, Ihourwhich effurdedo un illuaration of the : st•thitant York, the Bishop of Lembet, Lord A 5 ley, Rer.Drs Hook and Dale, the Re , Mr. etuunpneve, and Mr. I era: one of such vithl im;arrtance to I:tree elaeses of the , imotit obtained by some landlords. On a small 'muse, wenn .. Robert Seeley, and [Levy stated in their re ;tort that the pre- . commenity, he hoped the house would indul g e him with its , which a small sum of money had been exp. mied to melee defective, and • attention whilst he laid before them what he considered to it Cenn and docent, the net profits cause to 30 tee Legit ; sere law of church rates was at once vague , Isardehips I notice. (Hear, hear.) Ile wished to 6. t before the houso I which not a tithe of the amount laid out in this co e• had unjust, and that it had been rcPreaclatcd to tr . : i'm that the' lie eutlicient to vindicate the motion of which he had riven anti he was conv i nce d t h a t i n many l o d g i ng h0w..., open Ile must j the experience of himself and other, as to the ghee of morel ' been; xpended, the profits were coneidereley m o re. t,litar, law as it at present stsed indicted eery feriou6 'won 1 mud physical suffering, evil, and sin, in which a large pore • li ea. There were many ways in which the worst lee.t.liti, 1 'upon the owners of properly in certain parishes. , tints el' use population existed, and to suggest the means by sigh: be improved. The removal of a single hon..' At the sly he considered that the laying of the church rate disecuters, tf it were not an act el' perecutien, was at - all i e great deal to relieve the evils that oppressed them. neighbourhood. Let teem also encourage the f damt;ett of , which, without trenching on any principle, they might do cud of a cul de sac might bene fi t the he a lth of ail in the event. an act in the notture of persecution. would first call the attention of the house to the roudi- association., mad with that view let them diminish the ,x- Lord d. RUSSELL said he would not follow the hen. pf that pert of the poptilatims whom he might divide peme of obtaining a eharer, wineh now amounted to lone gentlemen through the arguments which they had advanced, ; He statemary and migratory poor. Nl'lLat then was the I,ooof. (Hear, hear.) In the ease of the 31stropelitea e though he might dater from some of the conclusions to tint the stutionaropulation, by which its meant 1 eociation the retell n was limited by the charter te 1 p,7 coat. wilitil they had arrived . It seemed to hint, from the state- • Into the nut live in out lodging. house ou eue nieht, iuterea for eeery invesetment. Ile doubted the a etietti of mune they had heard, (rant the report of the commissiouers 1 ecnidition o: n the followieg night, but these who heed I that limitation. Builders gin, rally were not satiate.: a e to which reference had Iteen made, and from the eireune- 1 those who din , !es, than 7 ix: cent., de 0'.../ ing that the hater : . te , / i, :t 1 staace so well latown, of tile variety of practice winch pre- and in another t. Stetisthal Society - which had nettle au th. y were exposed releuired a return of that ins, ' I veiled in different parilv,. that it was desireble that sumo ,far same time in t:te same house. lie held in its, hand a attempt should be mad: to se ale this question of church • return of 1817 of th e ' rates. (Hear, hear.) (Jr. at least, if they user: not aide to ' examination into the condition of 1,464 families iu St. must in/ borne in tuba that in elticting the,: Mier- •. / •.. do that, that some improvement of the hew in that reseset George's, Hanover-square. These /,4 63 fandhee had fur they must destroy quite as into it us ti s ey built. l :P c , should be introduced. Holdiug this opinion, and believ.ng their resident/es '2,117 looms. is ow of these fans:hes lee i had 1 which he had described lust be swept ave ..y I, ! ~, • .., that the question was one on which in:carnation migh t ad- / best out room in which the whole fulfill lived , All had th 0 new lotlering-lieuses could eel gr• a ll the g ,,,d is., e „. ea ntageowely be given, he really theught that tine prepoohil rooms ;97 hail 3; 17 hod I; ti had r/.: had is ; I had 7 ; and , capable of effecting. The whole et istjete was es. i,,,. , of a committee would lead to great pr.st . tical good, and he : I had 8. If such was the condition of the !input:rem in one I deepest Mien st its all parts of the cieilist/d wethe should certainly give his consent to it. (Hear, hear.) lof the best portions of Loudon, what must lie the cendiLiou , ewiety had reeeiv. , a letters front all mate ..r E 5....,.... ...: ' Mr. ACME wished to ask the noble lord whether he lof the overpopulated p ortions in the seed of Leashes, ouch from the United States a :1,13..riee, tisk ine fe o l e_ . . ; would include iu the inquiry the rates lesied iu Scull ''ink las Whiteclespelaud bhoreditch ? This return eaid nothing , iulormation. Until the dmoieiliAry conSition of to , • Lord J. ILCSSELL replield that, as regarded ministers * of thee-edition or resit!, sees uf the a orkiag tqa.114.46. There j was Chrietianieed, there s. etid be lei !wine lir .... money, it was theinable that eomething :amulet be dime; were caws hi which not one family, but lOW families mid , moral imprevemeut. l'iie present ante us thin.. , / . .1 but, us regarded church annuity, he feared it would be ire- even five families occupied ohe sitting name—onv in each of I thousands of °Tisane, and he was convinced Os. iS .. .. . possible to satisfactorily deal with it. the four centers and one its the middle. Physically nothing altered there would soon Ise a large reduction in I • ~ ; Sir R. 11. INGLIS expresses' his surprise tha t, her could be worse than such a state uf thinge, but tin' morel , rates. In the melts' buildiee ereeted by the _see, : ~,s, , / 1 31ajestv's ministers should have acceded to the proposition evil which was generated by it was s till woes:. (11,•ar, St. reiterate there sore, just beforethe del , re es ..: el., of the lion.usenther for Tevistock. lion. gilldelllt 11 belnYltl.l to h e ar.) In these houses, and iu one eingle room of taiga, five hundred person, tieing under one tot; in .. •.i. IA forget that houses and property were sold and purchased gro w n -up matte, and females of ditfers•nt families nil of :seat in Ilisleeterete-scree:, called " Pt a sit n-........'• sub eel to this rate; so that in that rise then: could be no the sense family were living together. (Mar, hear.) there resided rat the series period slit hliitll/11 a:,! ;.sty griftVaatt or cause of temptable •fhe hon. member fur All the [m1,110131 of stature were perforated in it, persons. In the former there to, /s t irred i t te L Manchester (Mr. Bright) had stated a case, on the occasion so that it was utterly ine r eeeible for any deveney to exist, single desalt from cholera ; in the late r tt/ err ... r .• of the pupal egereseiou debate, in which he represented the any el:minium , to pre veil, or any tleeire of selueatiou to , :teethe, and, two td the past I/ sle leg heals of faeltlice tot meeting house of the Frlende Society in a Le/rents parish in grow up. (Hear, hear.) Wait it to be a undered at that in one day 12 orphan, were taroon Lyon tie. 1:.:::-i.. 'I : , 0 L e n t lea as having Keo entered, and chairs and tables to these receptacles nine-tentls of the great crimes retell as number of widow., widow, rr, and iirpliam, e.r...g1 I s v th e , th e number of 40 carried off, as a /eerie,. for church rate% burglaries and highway reArrioe, winds were a terror to cholera in PI union teas 2.:5:;, wan thus b sa u te 1,. na4- the Society of Friends objecting on principle to the phyosent society, were conceived and it:etched ? (Rear, hear.) lit a wetly char:bales to the lan Il i illlt it mud be r nwitilo, r,l of that rate. Now, the parish where the hon. gentleman sanitary point of view, a list meet be the vonditien of those that what cholera did euthlee'y ase ote :sly !'-err we, WWI r e p: s eemed that seizure as having tweurred, wee Bithoe -de elite s : , in whielt eight and nine and ;,n, and t'..•.l ;It conetently and eeeretly. ( pleat. ) 'They ' 'iheel n. ,er fairly gate, the tithe* in which formerly amount ato 2s. 9th. in the some e.,is 1.0 many at 20 anti 2.1 persons were living altos tested either the will or the capacity sit' the working clue..:.. pound, producing a return of betwet it :Vela. and 0.0001. gether ? Ile would take the repent of the Louden/ Feser Blear.) Owing to a variety of tati: , l. thy had h. sit III.A•t•li However, the (net was, that by Lin act paseel in 182:4 the Hospital, and compare the clove allowed there for OW in a position a bids was 1.7 y t h,ad‘anta.:eous ter the tithes were extiaguished tar ever, and a ..,.t..,.t of compromise patients with the space allowed in one of these oar- enema.. of their eiscrait • ; but he ~..w no r../. at why they s al tered into, by ',llk's 2,5U.1t. Was to lie paid sithjeet to eels crowded lodging remise. Thie reettt t stated that hi / spew , should nut in physical prosperity eve,' or even ...se... fain reductions. Now, tile hon. member for Manchester and sometime. , 00 ur 100, were ledge , " in a room ;S'lfes t their bretlir. n of the I. int.(' St a t es . (li. er, ... er should have known the fact, as saddi, that it was uplon the 9 sari -s loam, 2: i5....t. wide, and t 1 , 011 hleht-s high ; that use ueide lord coneluir...l by niov:ent far her: t• h: .....: / divellinaphowse titre:hell to the me:thaw-house, and rot win- , I say in a mint whieli did nut ededt of a lure,: bulk bill to ea:ver/me Lae conetructiets ut lotigiegsettue ,l e the meeting-house itself that the distress was made, of air that was allowed for three patients he the t'ever kilos- wo rking e h teee s, lie r, gutted the noble lord, the fsr't ntiuister of the pita'. (blear, hear.) The report went on, and stated this Lord l'. ILIMILTON swan led the motile. ernWll, had thought fit to yield to the melon of the rentarkuble fact, taut met-lieth part of the whole :ramie:: of Mr. SL.ele EY said 'hero a 'r.' thouoande of ye honourable gentleman, the member fer Tavielock. In perhtne Who were admitted into the fever hoepiede came over the country who were enxieus to unite • his (Sir It. 11. Inglie's) opinion he should have resisted (ruin thew over-crowele.l Molds, old that they had no less us: of eotal•li..liing model lodging-lam ...., ... it. 11. , only gnaw," on uhich the acceding to this than 130 patients aifect:d with fever :emu that one teen hired from theug se lost they seoaid teem proposition was justified was the uncertainty of the few. ode. e. (lltt.ar, hear.) 'f he experience of the Benet of within the law of parnierehip, awl bee lulu hob But would the hon. and keened Attonwy-Genend or Beelth confirmed this state of things, and it was rowel, when whole amount of their fortunes. That eeeteele 1,, Solicitor-General say that the law was uncertain ? Why, they, xamMed into the cause, thet it arose Penn the ems enotie usent ought :o be' removed. The is. ,sitit of the Ti., I:1W was better oh tined or established than that under number of tiers/me who were ersw/led into a small spier. man ass leis property. Let tins noneit e; .•r it which the church rate was levied. If the law were Duthie the cholera period there woe an Metes - tee of a watched over the property of esery other class in t: duebtful, then be would say, introduce at once a ch tritable institution where the innestes were well fed, tom, and they Woidd Is. r. said with gretioule. measure to remedy the defect. Ilut the highest legal kept warm, and well elotked, but who rs., notwitiheending, Mr. HUM E hail listeu, d with gr.-at attention unthoritiee had derided that the hew was not d suhtful : and the mortality wee great, in coneequeuce of their being livid statement of the a dile lord, and must cosh ,/, in therefore there could be no excaeo fier tweediue to the coat- in ill ventilated and connat.' apartments. Me WOlll I not ou;het all to take :maul: to eh eneeivie , for it , mine.. on that ground. (Hear, hear.) With these Omer- go into any further detail, respecting the stall:teary pool- (Hear.) A foreiener would hardly belesee the: I vatione, and hoping that the government would take eau nation, but he thought he had statedeutticietit for a sample .cues existed in this country as had brew des. rilt e that a committee predetermined should not be forme'. he uf what any lam, gentieman might meet with with, it he noble lord. Re (Mr. Hanle) leered they No : :',' IPo would sit down, nut eonsentine to nor opposing the motion only took a walk sum the crowded parts uf the metropolis. (hear, hear)—and he time lit the wife, lord ,is •re of the lion. member for 'review/2k. (Ilear, hear.) With regard to the migratory populatiesteiti• was the state- thanks of the house fur having hroneht tic.: Mr. 111t1011 r »aid that hall he kusean it was the inten- meat which was ma le les one of the comusiseimit rs : too prominently under public notice. On the se titan id' the hon. baronet (Sir R. ii. Inglis) to n•fv, to the as, my Metrict is a tousehomeining eight home, what , are ell let thought tit ismatter for government iutseteremee, :lit statenteut wade by him (Mr. Bright) on a previous (left - orssuateiy to indithluah , ithe their-Li ant hart them. The parlour that it would not be permittea to fall to the ground. nen/some t a ste by . teft. , fissts am errauge? on o :ie . :Ai side ., f , r . ntor t ~,. , Sir G . GREY mill he wise , ars e the hone a nu!-.l e Iliittgly Rion, he would be prepared to enter lilts the more peer' es details of that particular [UV'. However, he should ,Beloit ' T. , r;,, , L . L u , 4,,,,,,,... 0 7:.: 7 40 L, „,... e . n ee e e ‘ 7,,7,:ji .!,,,,d n ., - 4 assent to the introsluctitei of his noble Hi , ed's bill, treating altogether the view of the hon. baronet, that he had to .' este two er three dogootteittrg h ss hawon torso boot:sem the as it slid of a subject intintetely etaineet..d m ith the aII ,r,: right to bring Smear/ that caw in a discussion on another emit:mut:U.4 aim, slalom ist o claws row', to the top real of the of the great mote, of the pi °pie. Ile fully age. eel with !ea /subject. He ths,ught ha had a perfect right, inasmuch eu-ue non-c, nwesenne tilt. ey Ist!.. theme .re sit cede, as whilst they were diecussing the aggression of donee night, there swot M in em ..12 human heinge, an ..1, on the no bl e f rie nd that the system prevailing iu the nu ist breathing the poiis—of crowding the working classes, into 'wall r.,- one sheath it might be as well to call attention to the sig- rs ' Us t e trer t ." :a d ;tl ' l l .„ 4 i! ' hit rt L siTZseinise It i . be asr, i iiirce ~`„. '' re r. Teniilatt4l and ill-construchel Louses— wets deqrweis , • a!i . ..,5 greseione of another. (Hear, hear.) The 1 . bare net ise. hetwicu them ; sod they who , brep fa the be I. tainted hem t h e of their our and phyoioal cystitis:lm. With reg., Ito tie had stated that thew chairs were not taken from the twee- d or co n, c o n e,,,,eney, e t ay get a r m them by cso nlaa,c mer the brie hill itself the hour, insist sue c, sl I it, opinion este. the tag-house, hut from the premises. 13tat that made no dif- leeeh are nearer the 'lnc. In stun district :,lone true are 1.7 , 0 ouch details came rtirlv berme it. Ile snide ra eel thet it aas ference w hatever, a Weber tukeu from the place of worship Noma. - __ perfectly t ennis/Ay in its charuster, and to Is/ Irene,: on .. . . . Ile was entry to say that this state of thiege was not con- the moth , : of the Baths and Washhiluaw Dill, veal -• • - Colonel CIIATTLRTON asked the k'irst Lord of the Admiralty what portion of the sum of .12J.C.01. voted for victualling the navy for 1850-I was paid to English, Irish, and foreign houses ; and whether he intended that the supply of provisions required for the Iletish nary for the years 1851-2. should he open to foreign competition. Sir F. T. BARING said the quantity of Aalteil meat for the navy in the last year was 31,178 cot. Gf tius none was English cured, 18,83:: cwt. was Irish cured, and 15,848 cwt. was curd i.t foreign countries, With regard to the last part of the gallant officer's question, he should make no alteration from the course pursued in the last four or five years. TILE CLAIM OF T:IE EAST INDIA COMPANY. Mr. BANKES asked the Secretary of the Board of Con trol at what period the claim of the East India Company, of the sum of 4,0,0001., was made on the British treasury ? Mr. WILSON said he wishsel the hon. gentleman would give him notice of the questioa. Ile would make inquiry, and should he happy to answer the 9tic•tion to-morrow. The CIIANCLLI.OIt of the EICHF.LICEIt said it was arranged that the expenses of the Chinese expedition should he th•frayed in the first instance by the East India Company, and that rei.ayment should be made by this country. We had already paid to the amount of three mil lions, hat there were certain claims, the whole amount of which had not been wholly paid, and which were sent in a few days ago. The amount was 100.000'. A minute in vestigation would he made. and on that investigation the result would depend. It was the final settlement of a long tranasetioa. NEW ZEALAND. Mr. ADDERLEY wished to ask a question of the rn.ler Secretary for the Colonies, whether the government intended to iutroduce any measure this st's don providing a representatiee constitution for New Zealand on the ap proaching expiration of the sit:Trailing act? Also whether all further correspondence and papers which had been re ceived on the subject since the last presented would be speedily laid before the house ? Mr. HAWES said that he was not then in a position to answer the first gut et - of the hon. gentleman ; but if he would renew it at a later period of the session, he should perhaps be able to state the intentions of the government. Ile hoped that the papers to which reference had been made would ere long be laid before the house. THE TURKISH AND PERSIAN BOUNDARY. In answer to questions by Mr. UttlirtrOar, Lord PALMLIISTON said that he could not lay certain accounts for which he had beat asked to fore the house, but that if Mr. Urquhart would explain vs him in private the nature of the information he required he would furuish him with every thing he wanted. `Pith regard to the settle ment of the trustier between Turkey and Persia, there had been much litigation for several year., and a treaty bud been come to by which a cer tain line of boundary described in the treaty had been agreed to, certain places being given up on one side and on the other. Commissioners hail been appointed by the British, Russian, Turkish, and Persian governments, but their elforte had la en impeded by the conduct of the two Malionnuedan goys rnmeuts, both of which insisted very pirtinatiously, and often very wrongly, ou their supposed rights ; but he (the noble lied) was happy to say that an ar rangement was very to be made watch would settle the main question, anl leave only the local matters to he decidill I.y the commis.iouer.. Wiih respect to the report upon which Mr. Urquhart hail leased one of hisquestions, he (the noble lord) had to state that it was entirely unfoundell. It most probably had arisen front the wish of the Russian go vernment to maintain a number of hostile buililints on their frontier. As to the loan to 'furkey, nothing could be farther from the intentions of the 110 itish government thou to have anything to du with a fiirc ion man. (Liogliter.) There hail certainly been a proposition submitted to various pri taw persons, but the goverumeut would hove nothing to do with it. (Cheers.) THE ADULTERATION 01' COFFEE. Mr. T. DARING begged to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he proposed to withdraw or make any change iu the Treasury minute of the 31st of August, DORI, tI p c but w eteellent, but 1w Mt that they vault( hardy a.. measure of this kind t-s reined.: all the es al. Ili, noble friend load how. S 1 r most alli, which was by encouraging dews anal removing all the legal °lido/lea that em-teal is the way of their tonna thou. llis loan. ail helthid ham, also land deseost murk attention to tloi sailnect, load Imo .1 liar cotailanta .• ys•ar, And another Cais, and inapairia s w. r. .... 1 Elio subject of th.• a so- use of chui-t, rs was sideratien of gam-annum. fie hoped that ' , hue would be suggest t realm, the /160 11.42 of olnaiu nig these chute rs. (Hear.) Ile emild lesure lais kon. friend. (Mr. Hume) that the fitting time a one the zoverti meat wont,' not he wanting in exert:en tO promote :Ito education of the poop!:. !last at was not a.tcc ad to go., :la ment but to voluntary associations they mast hie silo education of the ..uid the band thing parhainciat could do would he to re aaosa, all obstacb, so .I.s way, with out taking it out of the banal. of pria,ate India duals. Ito Wireat d, however, imeess to the exertions of his nolalo friend, and trusted that the notoriety Aims to the facts by his statement would couceutrate pulnie attention on tho subjeet. Mr. STANFOR It was of opitihm tied the ca... wan out far government lass - Prune oilier.. nee :at his o wn ansh he could testi , y to the solemn:age of mob. i Is laing houses.. Ile thrar;lt. that the creetio, of a sale in each ..5 the parishes 01 the metropolis would be M great tublic ad vantage. Mr. W. J. FOR wished to say ease word as te the jrin civic of direct legislation sass this mutt. r. I lure seem two circum-tanca s which form.--1 the siisiieul ties in dealing with this aptcstion. One was, that ties working man nal limited in the choice of hi. abink, and must live within a certain distance Iron his factory. Another reatrill WON that fuming these se ree•la. al ionises wasa most profitable investment. !knee it seas that it would 1.. most difficult t rieuove the working ULM from these fever factories, as they were properly cal,. •1, without direct I.gislativo inferferente. (Hear, hear.) Lea ry im provement, every Lew and splendid street in ti e r no tropoli., had only driven the poor within a narrower comp:a-, and without some aid Iron pariiament lac feared that tit: pear would be lett romp': tely in the hands of speculators. lie rejoiced, therefore, that the subject had heel' brougiat under the notice of the house. Lord C. 11.1311 LT ON agreed with the Seem tary i ar tho Dome Department, that legislative interfa realise Is.. out thu way to west the (nn!. The only thing tb, y coarhl do was to remove all obstacles in the way of procurng the la. easesary charters, lie might mmtitm that the chartvr of Cee build ing association Wan which he was connected hail cud up wards of 1,2001. (litar, hear.) Mr. LALSOCCII.EItIi admitted the truth of the noble lord's statement as to the expense, but believed that, in the Cane alluded to, there Were esnlle peculiar circumstances. lie admitted, however, that the expels ses in eta:doing charters were much greater than they ought to he. has attention had been given to the subject, mot he lout opened commuuicatious with the Treasury,tlinnigh which he soon to etfect coniiala relate reiluetimas in this exj..-aoes. (Hear, hear.) Its. trusted that all unnecessary obstacle, to these Undertakings would he spesialilv removed. Leave was then given to bring in the hill. DI snuiss IN IItELAND. Sir 11. W. BARRON, in bringing under the con,idera lion of the house the motion of - which lie had gives notice, said that the condition of Ireland at the prestut moment was well worthy the conuniseration of the house. Ilia ohject was to compare the condition of Ireland in '45, with what it Was at the present time. Ile took Wei for his first date, because it was s:nce that time that the three causes had sprung up which haul reduced Ireland to her pros. at pros trate condition. The first of these causes was the faunae., the second, the ulteration in the corn laws, and the third, the disastrous poor law. To commence with the poor law, he found that us 1515 the poor law taxation in Irclattal amounted to 310,000/., while in 1550, secevading to the call• cial returns, it was 1,471,00 M, lieiag an increase of 1,261,0001. The se:era:tory for Ireland boosted of a reduction of 90,000 in the number of paupers, but thu fact was that that reduction had been obtained by the tuloptiou of tha workhouse: test, and wawa° indication sal returning prosperity. In one union in the west of Ireland they had 17; Mal V"' pers. The workhouse test was offered, and in six weAs 400 had accepted it. As a proof, however, ad the inereuing distress iu that unfortunate country, he quoted the anunlars in the Waterford union workhouse. ILere were on the let of February, 1850, 2,510 inmates, and on the In of February, 1651, ; and in Kilkenny they were sat those dates, respectively, 20841 and 4,120. Pauperism then was on the increase. Concomitant with this there W:.4 an increase of taxation for poor rate and county case. Then what was the state of agriculture ? lie tun sanctioning the ndidteration of coffee? The CHANCELLOR of the ExenrArEn said it was not his intention to alter the Treasury minute, or the prac tice of the Excise with respect to the mixture of chicory with coffee. THE MURDER OF COL MILLS. Mr. COWPER wished to ask the Secretary of the Hoard of Control if he had received any intelligence rsspeadiug the murder of a British officer in Arabia ? Mr. WILSON supposed the hon. gentleman alluded to the murder ..f• Colon, Miff.; lint the government hail re ceived no intimation of the occurrence hot such as bad up reared iu the public prints. lie dared say that the next mail would bring ..111e official inteilig. arc on the subject. RELIOIOUS HOUSES BILL. Mr. KEOfili wished to ask the hon. member for Thalmin if he intended to take the second reading of the Religious Houses Bill on Wednesday? Mr. LACY agreed to postpone his motion till after Easter but intimated his intention to mote the second reading at the earliest possible opportunity. CIVIL PROCESSES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. SADLEIII moved for • return giving, in tabular form, the number of original civil bill ejectment pro cesses entered, and the number of copies served, in the years 181.1, 1816, 1417, 1818, 1819, and IMO, in and for the counties of Clare, Cavan, Cork, West Riding, and Longfonl, respectively; similar return of the number of such processes heard and chided upon ; similar return of the number of civil bill processes for redemption. of copies served, and of such processes entered. heard, and derided; similar returns in replevin cases, and in legacy or dis tributive share of assets cases; and, similar return of all other original civil bills, and of the number of copies served, and the number of such ca ae entered, and the number of such cases heard and decided; such returns to distinguish the number of cases in which civil bills were merely booed and served, from those cases in which the civil gill was entered, and a decree or dismiss was had; and also, to exhibit the average number of copies served in each class of civil bill more's. The hon. gentleman then asked whether it was the intention of the right hon. gentleman opposite to proceed with the bill. Sir J. ROMILLY said he had taken charge of the bill in the absence of his hon. friend the Attorney-lieneral of Ire land ; and he believed that it was Ow intention to proceed with the bill. ORDERS OF THF. PAY. Lord JOIIN RUSSELL MOIRA that on Thursday the lot of May next, and every alternate Thursday fullowing,ordem of the day have precedence of noires of motions. Last year this motive was agreed to from the I lth of April, and he did not suppose there would be any objection to it on the present occasion, its motive being merely to further the public busiuess of the house. (Cheers.) Agreed to. THE EASTER RECESS. In answer to a question by Mr. H. 11AI LLIE. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he did toil find that there was any order of the day standing for Wednesday the if th instant, and he should therefore, on Tuesday the 15th, move that the house he adjourned until Monday the 2th. CHURCH RATES. Mr. TRELAWNY moved for a select committee to con sider the law of church-rates, and the difference of practical which existed in various parts of the country in the assess ment and levying of such rates, and to report their &sierra. tions to the house. The hon. member supported his motion by a multitude of facts, showing the eccentricities existing' in the lees. and the injustice occasioned by the pressure of the church-rate. The most eminent statesmen on both sides of the house had concurred in the opinion that churcli-rates were an impost which ought to be discontinued. Lord Stanley had denounce them as a serious and substantial grievance; Lord Ahhorp bad proposed to substitute for them a system of pew-rents ; Sir Robert Peel had recommended that the charge should he transferred to the consolidated fund. By others it had been considered that the charge might very fairly he placed upon the revenues of the church herself, quite as much interested, it might he supposed, in the mainte nance of her places of worship as in the elaborate decoration of episcopal palaces. The law of church-rates rested upon the two Braintree eases, from which it appeared to be esta blished that, at all events in certain cases, the minority of the ratepayers might make a rate upon the majority. In the church of Ireland they had gin rid of several bishoprics and had alsilistad church-rates, making the repairs of the churches a charge on all ecclesiastical benefices. That was a precedent for what he pronosed. There was a difference between tithes and church-rates, 'for the former was a tax on laud, the latter was a personal tax. In the United States of America, in the episcopal church, the buildings were well supported without any church-rates. He had in deed a stronger reason for bringing on this subject, because - evil, there being ow church . . or from any of the committee-moos adjoining, the crime of sacrilege not being regarded by the ciagregation of Frienola. lionsever, he asked the hon. baronet if he could look on the qu..stion from any other point of view than that in which it was usual for kin to regard it; and to say whether such a state of things should be tolerated ? (Hear, hear.) On one side of the street there was a large church frequented by a cosign gation of the church of England persuasions, and on the other side of the street there was a lame of worship built by the voluntary e?ntributiona of a sect which profeased in the main and entirely the very ' same religious doctrines preached and believed in by the eongregation assembled in the church of England o dike. (Hear, hear.) la that church the eler man preached to his congregation; whilst in the other house of worship I there woo no minister of any order, no minister paid fur service. rendered. (Hear, hear.) T iny both lived in a country the congre:irationa or which professed to have done long ago with psalms, penalties, and persecutions on the ground of rligious difference. Yet, by authority of an act of parlianrat, the minister of the established church — legally, of course—by his agents or proxies, ent.to d the premises of the other coue ' regation awl took—no ne.tter if tt only amounted to '2ld., the inherent hijustie. acne the same—some 4 1 ) articles of furniture off the premise*, which were subaapiently sold by auction, and the mom y lodged ha the sack, as directed by the act of par:lammd, which thus cuipuwered the clergyman to raise some 2,0 W/. ayeor. (Hear, hear.) Ito admitted the clergyman, of whose excellence or otherwise he Luew nothing whatever, was legally empowers...l, and that he had the sauctien of en act of Natant. ut ; but if Out :let had ro ceiv. d the es-rat of esery legislature in Europe the Wino,. of these articles would not be the less an inherent aggression. (Hear, hear.) The fact as couteuded fur by the hon. baronet, that a parish minority, consisting of the clerk, the Keeton, the grave digger, and the lall-ringer— ( laughtcr)—meetig tea.other, eau do that in a parish which u minority of that house cattoot du for the country, was au as-morning of every thing which they held to Le valuable under the conatitutiou of this kingdom. (Hear.) In hi. (Mr. Bright's) opinion, the church rate JIM was like martial law, as explained by the Duke of Wellington the other night, no law :It all. Hear, hear," and a laugh.) It was possible by an expenditure of: some 2,000 L to go through the quagmire of the Ecclesiastical ('unit; but in the end, it fall out that the suit was generally dropped for want of Wilda. (Mar, hear.) And would it not be possible fur a zealous, honest, and pious minister, by arrangement with his congregation, to provide as mach as would be necessary for maintaining the church, without coming to the dissenters I (Hear, hear.) The cathedral church of Manchester was }Merl every Sunday with a congregation, which, with thin assist ance of other parishes, would be equal to the maintenance of the church. The congregation of the Rev. Mr. Russell was more numerous than that which resorted to the mecting.houst of the Society of Friends at the op poaite side of the street • and therefore it was nothing short of a scandal to can on the latter to maintain the establishment of the former. (Hear, hear.) These were troublesome times for the church, as speeches and other significant signs demoutitrated; and therefore he advised the hon. baronet to "set his house in order." (Laughter.) In the event of anything occurring it would be better to he prepared to meet it than to be overpowered by the damaging lumber of the church rates-. (hear, hear) —and he hoped the committee would, therefore, sift the question, and that when the report should be brought in, the noble lord at the head of the ministry, if is office—(a laugh)—would not allow it to be shelved. Indeed what ever miuistre might lee in power he would find it beneficial to the inter, ode of the church to make a clean sweep of all matters w ich were not alone unjust towards the dissenter, but materially injurious to the church itself. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HOPE said that all the laws passed for the mainte nance of the church were enacted at a period when all were churchmen, and when the constitution of England was different from what it was at present. (Hear, hear.) He thought it advisable, when other important inquiries were taking place, that the subject of church rate should not be conaidered as based upon an immutable found otion. He believed that the church of England, after all she had gone through and all she had suffer , d, was never more desirous of fair play,of toleration, and of liberty often science thou she was now ; and he hoped that the same liberty of conscience which she was willing to concede to others would be given to herself. (Hear, heur.) Mr. HEYWORTH said he should support the motion of the hon. member for Tavistock. If the hon. baronet's argument was good, they could not repeal an) thine. (Hear.) , Mr. LESSARD said, that an representing a large bogy of dissenters, he could not hut express his satisfaction at the course which the government had taken in reference to this motion. No subject had been productive of so much and heart-burnings; and the notice for the levying of a .1 tru,L.l fined to lkotidon. "— it7rev:iiled in ninny of ' the large towns of the kingdom. Birmingham, Manchester, and 'weds were in the cams condition. 11, could sp ale of Itlmeliester from his own experience, having tome through it from wet to end. Ile would read for the information of the house the following description of Morpeth : In Lomeli les-lime I found lodging home I (Frey mat et larded, one of whiels was over a late the came where the woilain had d.e.l ehiatra. At the Wad of (Maidd les-Jsr these ate also R.ldn mid dens awl mist", the drains frost whit', pass muster the a..poontig e dup., Tots state ef thine• !unbends the peer athatthauts with surface of visible tieb, 003 Woo keeps them in an lame phi re of Lou! goon*, where the seeded data... :wed really lit eu. I ever, ;awed. lag to the medical evidence, is 'rant canstatt in these ;duets; and cholera, as shown, Is first developed Its snit rooms as that .ever the privy al I oohed suns:. .d in laused, act--! see. 31d. undue crowding deAttlittite t the pr. :eat, as is tr.4" !A:l,h of tite t' iltilsbis Eits. The wet and dame t.l.llled ‘di the maidens generate tint, .11. i the sutras filth is tredtko ism the hawses, the titian:Oa of which is consequently rani ...nod, and the re-tit is rapid if a lehowing own Is compelled, for want of better acrultuntheuei, to ',A. in A :eh tram tie', t.e Imes his !.ealth, lark% has labour, and the toraer cammt obtain paymeut from a :away reduced to pauprattew, and PO he i , ..11.41 his rent. This refereed to a st Ate of thing. of which he hail fre quent peewit:ll experience. The labouring man V. 11./ had been able to earn 20s. and 2.15. a week had his health pre maturely broken down from being obliged to live in th •se overcrowded rooms, and Isis wife awl children were left a burden on the parish. The town-clerk guru the following .„,eraphic description of the ludging-houses ut the same place : abe table edit chow the narrow space ottforded to ea % ladle:deal, but It eta give no Wet of the :stet d ,m.e of the rooms or the seven csheet.'these that ceder isle hive thew ar who •a Maury tilled with as many as e tai possibly lieupon thew. Others Mod berths It low the Ixds, and nen ',he racy t noires on the ft r are occupied. An nit tnt , d In a tat .:Beet with vanit and natural StdCtaillOnt. Other hourr» have set lode, but their occuaiers are pa ievi upon the flow, In rows, the head tf of e being cause to the feet of another. Face body is placed ea close to as neighbotr .te not t 0 leeve paid , it'd spas open which to .et a foot. 'I he mu:tents are entirely naked, except rues drawn tip a far teethe I and *ken to this Is aided that the dOOl,l VI. lows are caretully Cidl.s.d, and the. there s • not the least tbstinetleo of sex, bat mean, women, and children lie main. ersminately sill t oy side, .0100 f.mt idea may be formed of the slut* of thue pl ate., ars. their t trect epth health, tamale, and thnency. Fader s ItteVsil, and the rickes-rd of the workhouse Is filled with tephes :n l's worst furs Iron these planu. They had done much of lute years to beautify and embellish the metropolis, but is pulling down the wretched dwellings of the poor without providing for them some places in which they could live in decency, an injury had been dote to the working classes. and the evils that oppressed a largo por tion of the community had been augmented. Take, for in.tanee the CAW of Church-lane, in Ifloontsbni7, one of the fi lthiest places that could possibly be nuaginel. it was unsafe to enter it, from the constant prevalence of fever. (Hear, hear.) 'this Church-lane had been visited by the Statistical Society in 1818, and they say in their repott— A tdeture in detail of human we telitthous, Nth, send brutal degra dation. In these wretched ilweeirgs, all epee end b Ith trees, flatters and dau;hters, mothers and sot s, gn.wn up ambers and sisters, the tick, dya.g, and acid, are hershal toaa.ther. Take an illAtlinte Howe, So. i, use of room 14 feet long, 13 feet broad, 6 feet high ; rent ta. for two manta per week —und ourcse, W. a eight fur stab adult. umber of families, 3; S malts above Sts; 5 fen -slew Ante 20: 4 male. twister 20; 5 females under 29; total, 22 vele. Lend. holy receives loss a week ; thus a clear profit of Its, btoto of rotas tilthy. It should be matter of dee? COlllsidCratiOn to them all to provide a remedy fur this state of things, for these were the place* that, as it were, ins itml and tempted the cholera to come amongst them. 'l ite number of places which had been examined by the inspectors of the Board of health were 161, awl the le.,pul , ,tion of these places amouuted to 1,912, , M. Now he could safely say that in these places it was impossible to preserve anything approaching to dew ney. It was in this state of things that ho asked for leave to bring in a bill. Thu bill which he 'imposed was simply permis sive, and was as nearly es possible a transcript of the Baths rind Was .houses Bill, which had already produced such beneficial effects, but which had by nu meaty worked out all its result.. (Cheers.) lie would now state to the house some of the good effeets produced bY model lodging-houses in the narrow limit* within which they had been carried out. Nothing iu the system was more remarkable than the regularity and cheerfulness with which the rent was paid. By means of a rigorous and seenrate system, which did not allow the tenants to fall into arrear, the greatest punctuality was kept up, and this worked equally well fur those who paid and those who received. 'I he freedom from disease in these establishments, and particularly from contagious and epidemic di-enders, was a matter of very great im portance. It was remarkable that the model lodg ing house, in George-strect, Bloomsbury, erected for the reception of single men, was within a stone's-throw of Church-lane. During the late epidemic the ravage* com mitted by cholera in Church-lane were perfectly terrific, yet i nc l ,te th eurr e g3e., in d male) haul i n g ai b r u : ii ne tl i i id n .egaat i h n v. G f.rh e o e inte r ghc e j - „t o st le re ,,dni e il .t ,y , andilw pilled tm ht br t eu o m "' e t liell°ne o nly e d y . . going oil. :Us .111114.T11%. ...... aid subsequently move that these pas— , acing IX- -• church-etas were a - -- ---- ------ ' •- - -- --' church rate was a notice of war between churchman and treatment. (licar, he . ar.) Thia.. mica ibis further silvan; 1, from Captain Larcom's table that - Otero were under grain gu - ilty of a breach of privilo.ge, be committed to the custody rates under the Church Building Act. Ile trusted then the di ,:eater. ter 'Cries of " Hear, hear.") of the s,ricant-at•Arma. ' Mr. COW AN and he ram: fur the •purroae of expressing tage, that iu these houses the wages which the people i cultivation 1,E.19,000 acres less in 1849 then in 1817. Taking house would agree to his motion. In the committee, if it - It • . . . After a few words from Mr. Ilextro and Mr. E. ELLICE, were granted, the various plans might be rgriritleTC,l and ', __ an anxious hope that the suggestion of the hon. member fur earned they kept. The wages were not expended as they , Gt. an acre as the average value of agricultural produce, that used to be, on medicine, or in the beer-house and the gin ,' would make 6,600,0001. less in the produce, of grain cult , Jun., the committee would make their reportto the house,tcav Montrose, respecting the extending of the inquiry to Edin- palace. The accommodation afforded an inducement to 1 station than in 1817. Then the return of swine lap motion that Skait and Birchmore had been guilty pro it to the house to legislate on this subject as it thought burgh and Nlontrose, might be carried into effect. of a breach of privilege, and that the Speaker's warrant do proper. remain at home, and thus these bouts had beta the means , ported into England from Ireland showed a diminution of the Ser- Mr. lIARDCASTLE, in seconding the motion, said that (Agreed.).,,, r. F. MAULE said he could not agree to the singes- of reforming numbers. It was impossible to go amongst' to the value of a million, and the importation of sheep had j ime t. f at or .A th r e tta ir b , e w in oto geo th m oo m w itft v d oral to y t p h o e t c oo us d to4 T y ot,a to. GERMANY. trove Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that on Thursday . he should last year they had not even heard the name of the great con pwhich for the last sic mouths had more or less ant that these two subjects should be referred to one cam raY . The two subjecta were not of the same nature, the ! occupied the public mind, and the effect of which had been that the rotestants were, to a great extent, convinced it church rate having been imposed for the purpose of keep- a d vantage, ing the churches in repair ; whereaa, the annuity tax inl the lodgers without hearing the liveliest expressions of gra- fallen off to the value of half a million. Here then wac a titude, and the utterance ' of a fear lest anything should decrease in the value of agricultural produce to the occur to remove then, from these houses. Another amount of eight millions, and. an increase in the though homely, was of no slight import- taxation of a million and a half. how could a put • question to the Secretary for Foreign Affams, on the wos necessary, subject of the negotiation with the Austrian government and the Ocrmaaic Confederation, as to the reception of the non- t it .for the defence of what they considered to be he' common faith, to merge all petty * differences, to do mi. Bums tau foe return, from Lloyd,. boous, of away with quarrels about church-rates, and to close their German territories into that confederation. RETURN OF WRECKS OF VESSELS.* all collisions, accidents, and wrecks of vessels, distinguish- ranks against an insidious and dangerous enemy. There was a still more serious reason than that, and that was the events of the last two years, arising from what was commonly called . b d the decision in the Gorham case, and the great battle which leg the sailing from steam vessels, and spec' the nature had been ragtag all over the country about services and sa- ef - each collision, accident, or wreck, the number of lives lest by each in each year, since the let Jan., 1847, up to 31st Dec., 18.50. After some conversation, the motion was withdrawn. ]Kr. HUME them moved for a copy of the reports of the Board of Trade inspector:on the loos of the steamers Sirius, Tribune, and Fin McGoul, on the coast of Ireland; of the cements . He world remind the houe that the number of dissenters in England and Wales was considerable, and that within the last fifty years they had built for themselves between 8,000 and 9,000 meeting-house, and paid the ripen& of the ministers who officiated ; but the established church had upwards of 12,000 buildings erected by the piety Edinburgh and Montrose was the means by which their i . ancestors paid the salaries of the clergy. A considemble correspondence had taken place on the subject, and a friend of his had been sent down to Edinburgh ' ' Ew to negotiate be- tweet' the parties on the subject of this tax. These negotia- Lions a not been successful, but the government hau exerted their authority to bring them to a favourable tune, and he was not without hope that the partief might be yet brought to agree amongst themselves. The motion was then agreed to. ST. ALBANS ELECTION. THE C LLUI LYNES. . ante in the life of a working man. In Stretton- country go on with decreased production and incre,ne street there was a large open space in which all the taxation ? It was not known, it. was not believ ed children of the lod ing-house were allowed to co to- in this country, how the value of land had decreased in state for play. The g result was that the y aeoided form ug ing Ireland. Under the Incumbered , Estates Act, land that associations by playing under the eye of their parents. was freely sold in 1845 at 24 years purchase, did not e le t, tch . ear, hear.) t should be observed that his' more than 11 years' purchase. It was said that laud o, a ‘ s r Lord Ashley s) proposition violated no principle what- let high in Ireland, but the fact was it was let rose . r.r. ever. These houses were self-supporting ; their chant , cent. less than land of ,:similar character in this co . t ter was not eleemosynary. All that was needed was The present distress was owing to bad legislation i u n u tb:t . t that they should do for the working man what he could I house and to their having driven into the thismar ~10.. t not do for himself, lay out capital for which they would an inordinate quantity of land. Nor was T'; ASE OF WIL- receive an adequate return. The main object of the sixiety tress confined to the agricultural districts. It extended was to prove by experience that investments of that kind to all towns, large or small. In the city The Serjeant-at-Arms said that, in pursuance of were self-remunerative, and that fact had been completely honour to represent, Waterford, proper h • ad fallen t" of former generations, and which required only to be kept the order of the house, he had made a return to the writ establi s h e d, H e wou ld state th e resu lt of an experience of per cent. in value, and there was at this moment property._.„ Orion, on the coast of Scotland; of the Dumbarton C as t le ' in repair. Were the payments of the dissenter entirely ofhabeu corpus which had been served upon him in the on the coast of Ragland; and of the Royal Victoria, in the some years on an extensive scale. The Society for Im- of tho value of 5,0001. per annum empty. Trade was am withdrawn, he did not believe that protestant felt so little case of Willtam Lynes. The clerk at the table read the proving the Condition of the Labouring Classes had ex. suushing. the shopkeepers were all but bankrupt, their- Baltic. Also am y ew s of use neeeuity of systematic interest in the welfare of their church as not to be able to return in the terms as directed by the order of the house. pended in building and fitting-up three new model lodoing labourers had either emigrated or were in the po supervision of stamen ; and of the present state of " at, do without those payments; and he had no doubt that the The return stated that the noose ltglits "as board of steamer — Agreed to.prisoner was discharged from houses 20,7601. ;it had oleo expended 2,2501. in improving, house. Ile asked for investigation, and he would e. dissenters, who now objected to this tax while it was tom - custody.proof of the pr adapting, and fitting-up three ranges of old dwellings; prove all these facts. Asa further c, . , PROCEEDINGS AGAINST ALLEGED PIRATES IN pulsory, would willingly contribute to the repair ofehnrehes LODGING-HOUSES FOR THE WORIUNG making a total expenditure of 23,000 !. The net return, valent distress, the honourable member then o v _d_ a ! THE EASTERN ARCHIPELAGO. if the payments were voluntary. It was not n to CLASSES. after deducting all incidental expenses, averaged 6 per cent.; passage from a letter from the poor rate collector s f theirl be had the lir. HUME moved foe copies or extracts of any de- *bag the rates altogether ; then were many in Load ASHLEY, in moving for leave to bring in a bill to on new buildings 5i per cent. ; on old 12 per cent. terford, stating that the farmers were so de. rased in oratohsi Min the 01 1 1011 Calialading the N•dean irai , weans of rewiring the evils that were now owspiiiieg of encourage the confirmed= d lagging-Wind for the work- Ono way in which the condition of the labouring clams . circumstances that ho should be obliged to sure under war-