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cetrine propounded by the hon. gentleman oppoeite. (Hear, hear.) Be - bad always, while ready to afford du- sympathy and hoepitality to deserving Polish exiles, regarded this an nual grant for their maintenance as a complete robbery of the English people. (Hear, hear.) As to the refugees themselves, most of those contemplated by the parliamentary grant we re, men who, in the patriotic struggles for which so much merit was designed them, had in reality fought only for their own interests, so members of one of the most trait• laical and exclusive aristocracies that ever ground down • people. (Hear. hear.) Mr. ROBINSON should certainly. vote against the grant, unless it were understood that it shoud never again make its apprentice in the estimates. Mr. B. OSBORNE had no wish to be uonecerearily harsh to there people. and therefore if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would aow give a year's deer warning to them that they were not to have any more money titer this year he would not divb e the committee. Mr. F. O'CONNOR supported the Chancellor of the Ex chequer's proposition to make an inquiry into the claims of the Polish recipients, ant aster the present year to direct: tinue the aid to such of them so should be found to have other resources or to be in any way able to provide for them• selves here or abroad. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured the how that no person should heneeforw.ird participate in the grant who was not by erre-end infirmity prevented from returning to his own country, or who had net other means of existence here. Co:. THOMPSON said that if the Poles were to be told to return to Poland, they mu.; be supplied with the means oleo dourg. Col. SIBTEORP expressed himself unfavourable to the t. gran kir. B. OSBORNE said that the prosni-e meat by the Chancellor of the Exchequer was q uite satisfactory to him. Tne veto was then agreed to. The sum of 6,6691. was neat prorsed, to defray miscrl laneous allowances on the civil list, not otherwise provided for. Mr. C. LUSHINOTON objected to that portion of the voe under the head of Reium Douu. Ile did so t on thep ar t of the great bulk of the dissenters o m f England aed Wales, who stated to him that they regarded this gift to their ministers in the light of •degradation, and alum a total sable rsion of the voluntary principle, *like offensive to their independent sentiments and to their religious convictions. He moved that the vote be reduced by the sum of 1,695 i., the amount of the Reg.um Donner. Col. THOMPSON raid that this question stood upon very peculiar grounds, for here was a remonstrance agadist one act of oppressive benevolence on the part of the unwilling recipient. of the Regium Donum. The dissenters were de sirous of being relieved from the payment of church-rates, an! they would cheeitully be absolved from all further ne cessity of receiving the present unwelcome gift. Lord J. RUSSELL said that thoso who protested against the present grant were not the recipients of it, nor had the latter authorised the hon. member for Westminster or tly hoe. and gallant member for Bradford to protest against N. The grant was made by George 1., and it bad been con e tin ued ever since. Dr. !tree, who was one ache distributors of the li.egium Donum, stated that the number of applicants for it was greater than ever, and it was found that all denomina tions of presbyterians received it in nearly equal propiniofts. He was dispoa-d to regard the opposition to the greet as pro ceeding from the association called the Anti-State end Church Union Society. Mr. W. J. FOX said the noble lord war not well informed when he asserted that the hon. member for Westminster was no authorised to protest against the grant, and to move its omission from the estimates. All the three denominations of dissenters had repeatedly protested against the continu ance of the grant, and so had their congregations. The grant was, however, not placed at the disposition of the dissen rs. The Treasury selected Dr. Rees for the distributor, and he again chose his colleagues; they were al; independent of the dissenters, and they carefully concealed the names of the re cipients lest they should be covered with opprobrium. It had beta said if the dissenters objected so strongly to the grant why did they not raise its amount amongst themselves. This hat been repeatedly offered to be done, but the trustees of the 'leg ium Donum stated that unites mum necee ary to secure the payment of the grant in perpetuity was raised they wAild not agree to it. refusal, and upon this the dissenter' with drew their offer. There could be no doubt that the amount of the grant. if it ceased, would be very speedily supplied from voluntary contributions. To continue to inscribe on the lists of royal alms receivers a beefy of men who were un willing to he so inscribed war an act of extraordinary in. justice to the whole class of dissenters. If the government would persist in forcing the grant upon its recipients, let them at least do the dissenter the justice of altering its title in the votes. and call it a charitable grant to Dr. Rees and others, to be disposed of according to their will end pleasure. Mr. KERSHAW said that the noble lord was wrong in attributing the opposition to the Regium Donum to the Anti- State and Church Union Aasoeiation. Mr. G. THOMPSON opposed the grant, and stated that the dissenters would gladly pledge thee.eelves to raise an amount equal to, and even exceeding it, for the purposes to shish it professed to be applied. Mr. BRIGHT said be had more than doubts alto whether Dr. Rua wee a dissenter, for in kis evidence he had stated that dissent was en evil. lie believed that if the 1,000 dis senting clergymen knew the source from whirl the money came, or their congregations knew that they were recipe en's, it would soon be generally repudiated. He asked whether the noble lord would object to give a return of the names of the clergymen who received this money Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the return asked for on the grounds that ft would be holding the recipients up to palate obloquy. He hardly thought that alms should be objected to on the grounds that they were given in secret. Meer, hear.) lie should not object to withdraw the grant provided the dissenters undertook to supply the d. ficiency. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON wee inclined to withdraw kb opposition to the grant, provided the noble lord would pro mise not to propose the grant next year, coutiugeatly on the dissenten themselves supplying the deficiency. Mr. HUME opposed the vote, as opposed to the *idles of the dissenters geeerally. Mr. KUNTZ objected to the doctrine of the noble lord as to sway in almsgiving. It might be a sound doctrine as regarded the charity of individuals, but when the charity came from the state, the representatives of the people bad a right to see that it was faithfully dispensed. Dlr WYLD repodiab d the assertion of the noble lord that the dissenters were the recipients of alms. (Hear, heir.) He was sure that the dissenters, on learning the neb,e lord's declaration, would be unanimous in repudiating the grant. (Hear, hear.) Alter an observation from Mr. BRIGHT, Lot J. RUSSELL arid he had refused the returns be came the hon. member who asked it stated that his object was to hold the recipients up to public odium. Mr. REYNOLDS said that part of this vote was for Preach clergymen, who had fled their cuntry at the period of the edict of Nantes. Now, allowing those venerated pastors tohave been one year old et the time of their ordination, they must have now reached the patriarchal age of 144 yearn. (Loud laughter.) He found that nineteen of those patriarchs had received their money in 1847. Perhaps they were :n a trance, like Rip Van Winkle, and awoke merely once a year to receive their re ism douum. (Loud laughter.) He should move that the vote - be redai ed by 1,6001., the item for French eccleentatical refugee,. Mr PARKER opposed the amendment. Mr DRUMMOND while he vindicated the character of the recipient., oppose d the grant upon erinciple. He objected to all grants of this description. Mr. REYNOLDS intimated that he would withdraw his a mendment for the purpose of proposing it again on the Winging up of the report. divAon was then taken on Mr. Ltishington's amend ment. For the vote 6O For the amendment - 82 The vo:e was then agreed to. Toe CHAIRMAN reported progress, and asked leave to sit ..gain at -de o'clock. OFFICE OF COURTS OF L.J'.7STICE (IRELAND) BIL On the motion co Lord J. ROSRILL, the order of the day tor the second reading of this bill was read and dis. cherged. 'lnc house adjourned at a quart-r to 4to a quarter to 6 o'clock. 'ln, house resumed at a quartet before 6 o'clock. THE MINT. The CHANCELLOR tat the EXCHEQUER stated, in rein. to Sir J. Tyrell, that the comitiesion on this subject would conclude their labours within a month, and then erp BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Load J. RUSSELL arid, he take the Diplomatic Relitions with the Court Copper Bill to morro (this day) a 1:, and the Spiria AADuties Bills at 5 o', lock. BLOCKADE OF HAMBURG. Mr. WAWN inquired whether is was the intention 01 her . .tbjett• 'a s...vernment slow the blockade e Harm bur? t continue with its atteedaut interruption to British commerce at that port L rd PALM ERS ION replied tent se the city of Hain. burg was rune of the Germanic co,kderat on, and ra war es,e.ed bet green the Danish government and the conteders. Sou, the foriiirr had a perfect right to blockade the ply. of Han.hog, and it was not therefore the intention of her Majesty's government te interfere with the blockade, espe cially as they were now engaged in an attemm.to mediate between the parties. With respect to question" on this sub• ject, he (Lord Palmerston) should be obliged if they . were put to him in writing, because any answer he might gin in his place in the hou-e might be misconceived or misreported, and thus inconvenience to the parties interested might thereby be created. It the questions wee, reduced to wri ting he would reply in writing, and afford the best informa tion in his power. (Hear. hear.) THE WEST INDIES. Lord G. BENTINCK inquired whether the bon gentle man the wider 'secretary for the colonies (Mr. Hawes) would have any objection to lay before the house a copy of the eneworiil which had been addressed by the Jamaica Cham ber of Commerce to the governor-general of that colony ? ;Mr. HAWES said if the memorial had bees sent to tlis country with the governor-general's despatches, be should have no objection to produce it. COLONIAL LIGHTHOUSES. Mr. HUME (on the question for the house resolving it.elf Into *committee of supply being put) said that among the votes to be disposed of to -night, was one of 2,0001. for a;lighthonse at Barbados': he wished to call attention to the want of management in the establishment of lighthouses in various parts of the colonies. These lighthouses were 144 in number, and when the colonists desired any alteration or improvement they were at a hoes es to the department to which they ought to apply. Sometimes they went to the Board of Trade, then to the Admiralty, afterwards to the Trinity-house, and even, he believed, to the Colonial-office ; befalls and all of these departments said they had no autho rity t, interfere, and thus the c:ilonists were basulied about fr.an eon to the other *Mout obtaining any redress. He I ~t F oese--.---- ---- begged . to ask the government if it would not be desirable to 'lesbian' • particular board in London to which applications from the colonies might be made, and thus abetter system of management be enured? He was confident that this would effect an enormous saving of life and property, and be prodective of the greatest benefit to the commerce of the JiInABOUCHERE said the question was far too im portant to be incidentally discussed in a mare anae mia"' of this kind. The whole management of the beht keine, required revision and alteration, and with that view he had introduced a bill, which, however, he had not bad a °hence of proceeding with during the present seesion. With respect to the colonial lighthouses, he had no difficulty in stating that, in conjunction with his noble friend the First Lord of the Admiralty , he would, during the recess, give his best consideration to the subject, and endeavour to devise a remedy for the evils attending their m ana g ement. Mr. 0. h. ROBINSON bore big testimony as to the diffi culties the colonies experienced from the want of a distinct department to whom applications on the subject of thaw lighthouses could be addressed. Mr. DRUMMOND (Surrey) thought that Alpena' did not so much arise from the mismanagement of lighthouses as was supposed. There was another more important point on which the right hon. gentleman the President of the B ard of Trade would do well to legislate, and that wee the prac tice of building ships for the purpose of their being wrecked. d The conversation here dropped, and the hones resolve itself in a committee of SUPPLY. Mr. BERNAL (in the chair) put the next vote of a sum 'of 3,0001. towards completing the amount necessary to defray the expenses of the Foundling Hospital, Dublin. Dr. BOWRING complained that in Ireland the public institutions were supported by parliamentary grants, wnile in this country they depended upon the voluntary contribu tions of benevolent individuals. The system in Iceland was pernicious to the institutions themselves. The present vote was meet objectionable, as it encouraged the aban donment of children and the disregard of maternal duties. Twenty years ego a select committee hod recommended that the vote should lee discontinued and he hoped the govern scent would give a re-arsuranu that this should be done. Col. SIBTHORP supported the vote, and thought as it was to maintain unprotected foundlings it ought to be rather increased than dinsiniehed. He was surprised that any man with a sense of hum unity or good feeling should object to it. ' Mr. HUME said in 1829 the select committee on the Irish estimates had unanimously recommended that this vote should be abolished. In that opinion he concurred. On the subject of these Irish estimates generally he would only say one word. They required reconsideration, inasmuch as they had been granted originally at a time when there was no such thing es a poor law in Ireland, and they were under the treaty of Union to continue for 20 years. They had gone on. however, for 28 years beyond the time specified and as Ireland had now a poor law, it was a question whether in respect of these charities she ought not to be put on the game footing as Ragland. At all events, if the grants were to be continued, they ought to be limited to the amount raised in each cone by private subscriptions. Mr. PARKER said in all those grants there had been made a gradual reduction. In 183 t, for this eh tree the vide taken was 27,e241. ; the present vote was only in all 4,0001. ; thus showing a considerable reduction. After a few words from Col. Dentin, the vote was agreed to, as was also 6,9751. to eomplete the sum necessary to de fray the expellee of the House of Industry, Dublin. The next vote was 1,0001. for the Female Orphan House, Dublin. Mr. B. OSBORNE objected is the vote en the ground chat the (11161 was for protestant orphans to the exclusion of the Roman catholice. Mr. HUME said, if that was the csse, he should, unless the government gave some promise that the system should be charged, o.iject to the vote altogether. eel. SIBTHORP said he ob.erred amongst these Irish estimett s • vote to Emily Suhthorp, a retire d matron of Medi cal Hospital. (Laughter.) Now, he begged totally to disclaim any reletionship with that lady. (Loud laughter.) Lord MORPETH said nob ody could object more than he did to exclusive establishments. (Hear, hear.) He thought that public money voted ought to ne for the benefit of the public at large. With respect to this vote, however, it was in aid of a large contribution raised by protestant venom' in Ireland. Mr. OSBORNE said the select committee had recom mended that it should be reduced one-half. Atter a conversation, in which Mr. Hume, Mr. G. A. Hamilton, and Mr. Keogh took part, Sir W. SOMERVILLE said it was finpaaible to defend an institatim which was of an exclusive character, and he, therefore, thought it right tbet some inquiry should be made with respect to this institution. Mr. MUN IZ mid that if the government would not give an assurance that for the future both religious sects should be admitted, he would divide the committee against the vote. The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY was understood to say that the rules might be so altered as to admit both sects. Loyd J. RUSSELL did not think that possible, but he would take care that before next year the matter was fully inquired into and fairly considered. Atter a few words from Sir J. 'ryrell, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Drummond, and Mr. Wawa, the vote was agreed to, as were the following 2,5001, to defray the expenses of .he Westmorland Lock Hospital. Dublin. 1,0001., fur the Lying-in Hospital, Dublin. 1,5001., for Dr. Stevens's Hospital, Dublin. 8001., for the House of Recovery and Fever Hospital,' Cork-street, Dublin. 5001., for the Hospital for Incurables, Dublin, On the next vote of 27,8371., to complete the sum neces sary to defray the expense of non-conforming, seceding, and protestant dissenting ministers in Ireland, being put, Mr. S. CRAWFORD raw to oppose this vote. The object of these grants was to maintain power over the presbyteriene of Ulster ; and he considered them to be impolitic+, unjust, and injurious to the true interest of religion. In his judgment, all attempts to make the ministers of religion subservient to the state were injurious to the cum of religion. Though some of the presbyterian body might desire these grants there was a large and influential class who considered that they ought not ;o be made by parliament or accepted by their clergy, and, in 1833, two memorials to that effect had been addressed to the government—ose from Belfast, and the other from Londonderry. •He was a friend to religious liberty and an enemy to all state provisions for the purposis of religion. On these grounds he objected to the present vote, and would now move as an amendment that it be reduced to the sum of 3661., being the amount paid to the fund for supporting the vrldows and orphans of the ministers of the Synod of Ulster. Mr. K BOOR did not rise to support the proposition of the hon. member for Rochdale, but to offer a few observations en the Regium Donum, aid on behalf of his hon. friend the member fir 'fippuery to bring under notioe the cue of the preebyterien minister of Clonniel. It appeared that the amount pa. able from these grants to that gentleman on the 29th S ptember last had not been paid, but had been stopped by order ..1 her Majesty's government. Now, no one would dispute the proposition, that if there wee to be any state pro vision it ought not to be encumbered with factious restric tions or improper interference on the part of the government. In this care the facts were these s—Every presbyterian minis ter was required, at the beginning of every year, to fill -up a certificate setting forth that his congregation comprised more than 12 families, or 50 persons in all, and that he received from them voluntary contributions to the amount of 361. per annum, before be could receive any per ion of the government grant. At the commtnce. meat of 111-17 this gentleman, Mr. Gill, filled up the certifi cate ae usual, and it was sent to Dublin Castle duly vouched, and in July following he received that quarter's proportion of the Revues Donum. Tee quarter ending 29. h Sept. was, however, not paid him by the agent of the government, Dr. Cooke, Who stated he had received directions to stop it. Now he (Mr. Keogh) apprehended if Mr. 0.11 had been guilty of any omission, it would have been more courteous on the part of the Alcor. of the government to hove . pprised him ot it, then if he was contumacious to have stopped his proportiou ef the Regium Doman. Ile slowed the matte to rest for • month or two, and then, on application to t o r e government officer, was informed that he ought to apply elsewhere. That he must have complied with nil the requis te formalities was evident,from his having received the first quarter's payment. Ti e cmgregatien were perhaps more inceneed e an himself. A deputation waited on Mr.Redington, who said that neither he nor the eovernment knew anything about it. Subset sequently, in a letter dated 31st December, Mr. Redington tout new erouud,and widths refus a of the Regium Thrium was owing to the certificate not sawing the number of fami lies in his congregation, in cemplience with a return called fin try parliament. But it turned out afterwards that no such return had been called for ; and this was admitted in the corresponden-e which had been published by order of the house. Hence, the clergyman. had been most unjustly kept out of his stipend, on ass allege d ground which had no founds ion. The certificate did state that the con gregation hen consisted throughout the year, "of more than twelve resident presbyterian writhes, or more then fifty re •i !ent pr et.yte, van individual.," rod this was pre cheat in ; cold sanity with the form sent out by the government. The i whole affair appeared to hove arisen from the officious and impertinent interference of a Mr. Matthews, a subordinate Alter of the Irish secretary, who bad taken upon himself to obtain certain returns, which were not slued for by any authority. When this was dieeovered, Mr. Rediugten ought to have mode the amende honorable ; but instead of doing so, be supported the unauthorised demand of Mr. Matthews for the precise number of families in the congre potion. A. the case stood, the bounty remained unpaid, the narrespondenee having passed so long ago as December and January last • and it was now contended by the nt ' that they had the power at any on e atop the stipend, thus placing the presby- Iselin body in a state of the utmost eerviiity, a state wholly at variance with the conditions oa whch the region donum WS origi , aLy granted. The enforcement of such a prin. ed*e would be most fatal to the independence of the church. The congregation had been continued on the estimates, a woof that the requisite conditions had been complied with; why then hod the payment been withheld? Mr. OSBORNE said he should take the presbyterian 'ministers at their word, and sate with the hon. member for Rochdale. If these ministers did not want the Regium Donum— Mr. CRAWFORD said he had not stated so. Many I numbers of he bedy might" be oppo-ed to receiving the ananey, hot-they w. re not oppOsed to it collectively. • Mr. OSBORNE said he could eertify to the great res egeglebility of the Clonmsl congregation aid their minister. Sir W. SOMERVILLE regretted th..t the hon. and lamed member bad brought thus subject before the house. It hod recenaly been brought under the notice of the general assembly at Belfast, who had appointed a cesimittee to com municate with the government ; and their represeritat , ons vio...td be received with tht greatest resp• ct, an they alw aye ral been, by the governmei.t. No one who knew Mr. Re. dington vrould accuse him of want of courtesy in his official amendment with on the principle money witho t by giving rise to numerous appeals, bat would support the woad reading. Mr. C. BULLER said the difficulties apprehended might ujuet easily arise under the old migrations ofWhilst dis posed to guard against extensive Irish paupers te Liverpool and Manchester, he felt it right to give Irish pipette the same ri. hts of settlement and appeal as were enjoyed is this country. At present, paupers were sent to Ireland without any statement ea to whence they had been removed or the grounds of removal ' • time de priving the Irish parishes of the means of appeal. Bo far as the bill went to remedy this defect, be approved of it, and hoped the house would give it a second leading, leaving the clauses to be modified in committee. Mr. GROGAN thought some immure of the kind im. peratively necessary. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the bill would dently require government amendments in committee, and p , inted out several defective provisions. S.r H. WILLOUGHBY supported the bill. Mr. THORNELY said that Liverpool had been taxed last year to the amount of 10,0001. for Irish paupers. lie should divide against the bill. After • conversation, in which Mr. Hume, Mr. M. J. O'Connell, Mr. Roynolds, Sir G. Grey, Mr. F. &rope, Col. Dunne, Sir It Ferguson, Mr. Clements Capt. Harris, Mr. Henley, Mr. Thornily, Sir 1). Norreys, and the Attorney- General took part, the bill was read a second time. The house adjourned at a quarter-past two o'clock. . . distress, In iosiated on that Mr. Beate It became news- , ........ —_ , _ _.... __ _ . /NM M bow any extra service/I eery to know the peed niter number of families in each con- could warrant the pay grraggment of 2,5001. d. ation. This information had been generally fur- Mr. WOOD would support the vote on the undershot ing inked, with the exception of • few congregations ; that government would not again make a grant withogt the se that Mr. Gill was only asked •o furnish the knowledge of parliament. same return as was received from about 480 congregations. Col. DUNNE said that WAS actuated by no personal He had alleged as a reason for non-compliance with Mr feelings towards Sir C. Tre het Matthews's application, tat it was non-official ; but when Mr. P. SCROPE was satisfied of the zest, ability, and in it was made by Mr. Redington he still refused the inform• dustry of Sir C. Trevelyen ; but he must protest against the tims. Afterwards he said be had not the means of furnish- system adopud by him in Ireland. lug it ; hut why could he not do it, u well to the other 480 Mr. GOULBUBN w sorry that there had been what clergymen ? In his certificate of the present year he had ae- appeared to him to be a s tudied concealment in making this bully returned the numbers, under an order from the gene- grant. lie should mark his disapproval of that by his vote on nu assembly. Whenever he chose to make the same return this occasion. for 1847 as he bad dune for 1848 Ms stipend would be paid; . Lord G. BENTINCK did not think it displayed much and there was no hardship in requiring from him the same ability on the part of Sir C. Trevelyan to be getting cor• return as from other clergymen. The case was now in the from Deptford at 181. per ton, when it could be got in Cork bands of the general assembly, with whom it would most at 141. properly be left. Mr. MONSELL said that if it was bought in Cork it would Mr. H. HERBERT said the hon. baronet had overlooked instantly cause the Mkt to rise there. the main ground of complaint—the manner in which the Lord G. BENTINCK said thatoould not be, because for return was originally required, on the dictum of a clerk in every ton that was net from Deptford to Cork three tons Dublin Castle. Had the return been asked in a proper were brought from Cork to the Thane s. manner, Mr. Gill would have had no objection whatever to Mr. REYNOLDS disapproved of the principle of grant furnish it. The presbyterian congregations generally had • ink money without the consent of pert aiaent. The coin right to complain of the language used in one of his letters plaint in Ireland was that those who performed least service by Mr. Matthews, who cherged the presbyterians with not tot most mosey. 'the mist ortune ot Ireland was this, ht pitying at the rate of a farthing a head to their ministers. Oven time immemorial English quack doctors had been t r y. The beat thing for the government to do would be to pay the inc heir nostrums upon her. stipend, and the returns would no doubt be made properly Mr. BROTH ERTON would support the vote. in future. Mr. OSBORNE then moved th,st the vote of 20,0001. be Sir W. SOMERVILLE regretted that Mr. Gill bad not reduced by 4,0151. thought it consistent with his duty to snake, in the first in- The committee then divided—For the amendment 14 stance, a return, which be now expensed his willingness to Against it furnish. Mr. B. OSBORNE ranted to know what vies the meau- Sir R . FERGUSON testified to the respectability of Mr. ing of the item in this estimate for the travelling expenses of 0111, and re gretted thot the ease had been brought forward. the King of the Belgians. Surely the King co the Belgians He also condemned the style of Sir. Matthews's letters. No when he wasesked on a visit to her Majoty might at least they apprehended any such Mienbody was morejealoue of g overnmen: interference than the pay his fare. Then there was au ism fur ornament., and presbyterians; and had s- what not, for the Master of the Ceremonies. Who was th e ' rence in this cave, they would have presented a very different Master of the Ceremonies ? ' memorial to government Iron that which had been re- Mr. PARKER said that these charges were of immemo. ceived. He denied that this was • politic.' grant at all, as vial usage. The only differeuce was that formerly they had had been alleged by the hon. member for Rochdale ; the been paid out of the civil list. well known character of Dr. Cooke, the government agent, Mr. MUNTZ observed that the fact was thatour flnances was a sufficient safeguard against that. The pre sbyterians were so uncommonly flourishing that he only wondered we were notetissenters, but a branch of the established church gins , ot prev all the o.her exp. uses of the King of thc Bel ot Scotland. and of the Grand Duke Constantine, and the Duke Mr. KERSHAW said he knew Dr. Cooke and many of of Leiningen,' and of all the other foreign visitors here, the Irish presbyterians, and was astonished to fled that they whose travelling expenses we were se singularly celled upon only subscribed about a farthing a week per head to the sup- to liquidate. port ot their miuisters. Ile believed the exact sum was 41 Mr. B. OSBORNE would take th •• =SW , r that the items farthings per annum. What could he thought of a system he had specified had formerly come out of the civil list, she like the regium donum, which led to such results The body could get no better reply. But there was an item of 4001. of independent+, to which he belonged, repudiated the prin. for presents to the Ruler of Abyssinia. Who was the Roler ciple of government support, and cheerfully paid their min- of Abyssinia, and what on earth had we got to do with rim ? users from 1001. to 600/. per annum. While there miserable Surely he was not also an old recioient from the civil lid? greats were relied on by congregations for the support of Viscount PALMERSTON said there was acme good pro their ministers, the proper spirit ot religion would never hability of • considerable trade with Abyesinia, and these prevail amongst them. It any body in Ireland ought to be preuuts bad been thought expedient. (A Leigh.) endowed it was the Roman cathelics; but he AS a Mr. B. OSBORNE SAW here a beautiful opening, not for voluntary, should oppose such endowment. Let any a coneiderable trade with Abyminia, but for another con ministry propene such an endowment, and there would be a iderable job, like that of Lsbuan. feeling aroused which would destroy a ministry much The vote was then, agreed to, as wag a vote of 22,0001., stronger than the present one, or a., that was likely to be to dein) , the remaining charges„in the commissar i at depart formed for some years. (Hear, hear.) ment. The committee then divided—Fur the amendment 13 The CIiANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then pro- Against it The vote was then agreed to. mates, being for the relief of Irish and Scotch distress, up to On the next vote, 4,476/ . for the conoordatuen fund, and the present harvest, by repeating his former statement act other charities and eillowances in Ireland, what bad been already done in this respect. Li the first nix hie. CLEMENTS beeped that the two beards which now months of the present year no less • sum than 867,0001. had existed would he consolidated. been raised in the shape of poor rate, throughout Ireland ; hut the sun so collected by no means represented in the more Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that one of the boards was severely: distressed districts the amount required for the only temporary. After a conversation, the vote was agreed to. relief of the distress which had prevailed with such peculiar On the motion being put tor a vote of 3,4001., for the ex-intensity under recent dispensations of Providence. To penises rat a commiesion Inc the digest of the criminal law, have raised the amount requisite for this purpose in thou Col. SIBTHORP made some remarks, in which he stated districts would have been little short, if at all, of confisen that the commission had been for many years very expeneive, ion. The assistance of parliament therefore ha. been in hat being of ail practical utility. He thought they yoked, and the appeal hid been ea , at generously met ought to have • statement t.f the real cost of the commission, The whole amount expended by the British Aucecietion, eised by voluntary contributions, was 236,5001.; of that sum as well as the reasons why it should be continued. He thought the commission • grove piece of extravagance, and a 43,0001. was Isio out in rations for grown-up persons, fraud upon the public. But he supposed that it was of no 80,0001. for rations for children, and about 12,0001. for To.- us to cnirplain, to the whole co anion wes a ministerial lething. The preseet vote of 132,0001. was for the purpose job, a ministerial trick, and a ministerial humbag. of continuing the operations of that association during the LONDON, THURSDAY, AUG. 24. "Sir G. GREY said he hoped this was the last time that a twee months that preceded the harvest , it being vote for this commissien would appear on the estimates, as notorious that those three months were the most THE world is on tiptoe to learn the probable solu the consmon had nearly concluded its labours. difficult to meet by the Web of the whole year, tion of the Lombard questioo and interested parties Col. SIBTHORP was afraid that the commiasion would and it would have been very cruel to have are doing all that slummy and argument can effect break out in a fresh place. withdrawn all relief front the people at that period. It was Dr. BOWRING hoped that the commission on the crirei- or this purpose ' that he asked the house to agree to the vote to sway public opinion and influence the final deci nal law of the Channel Islands would be extended to the which he was about to place in the hands of the chairman. sion. It is, unfortunately, the case, that in England Isle of Man, where the law was is a condition which re- The relief operations would ceue entirely atof the few look to purely Italian interests. All hepes aud quired immediate reform. present month, and *treed,' many of the depots had been thoughts of these were abandoned with the great , After a few words from Mr. B. OSBORNE, broken . up . , , T u he o e p n e t ra t t o ions of e tprti.,:eatedetradinerdl, .or would co r te n t e e a - t f., tidings of defeat, and the struggle is looked upon as Sir It . H. INGLIS protested against Dr. Bettering, Peet er''''' r i c : ? mc '. leasing to represent the undivided opinion of the inhabitants wereli kely to arise, and me the house m might be satisfied one merely between Austria a..d France, in which silks Isle of Maa. that the great difficulties which had to be overcome our old fears of the latter survive, and true patriotism After a few words from Dr. BOWRINO in explanation, when the relief eommission began its operations were now is Made to consist in erecting barriers against France, Bir 0. GREY said that when a judicial office in the island n a fair way of being removed. The right bon. gentle- and bringing hostile powers with their fortresses as was recently vacant, he had appointed a gentleman of high man concluded by moving that 132,0001. be granted for near to the French frontiers as possible. eivaiding to fill it who was likely to give his attention to tee relief of disuses in Ireland and Scotland, to be distributed This was the old policy of Lord CASTLEREAGH. to elate sat the laws there. He did not deny that them were throueh the commieuriat !ems things in those laws which required remedy, and he Mr. P. SCROPE opposed the TOW, onl the grounds that advance and collect every element hostile to France WAS willing to give the subject his attention ; but he could rants in ai4 ot the poonrate were obiectionable. The RS near to France as possible. Austria WRS brought not go so far as to appoint a commission for the purpose.rental in Ireland was 13 million', and surely out ot tkat the to the Ticino, Prussia to the Moselle, Holland to Alter a few words Irons Mr. P. HOWARD, the vote waslandlords might support their poor. To be sure, it was said the Ardennes. No account was made of the affec agreed to. that the present WY an extraordinary emergency, but on On the motley% that • sum, not exceeding 2,50(1., should looking to the accounts, he found the sum expended during ions or tendencies of the populations of the be voted to defray the expenses of the me t ro sanitary he lut seven months would give an annual rate of only 2s. countries than chopped, changed, and pa t oe coudition n the pound. out. Their lack of allegiance was to be Mr. B. , OSBORNE called attention to the state of the Ser. Sir .1. TT KELL complained that the Chancellor of the made up by the number and strength of fortresses, in peatine river, which was such as to be Itiobly dangerous to Exchequer had made no reference to remedial measures some isles erected wi*h English money. And this the inhabitants of the neighbourhood. His belief WM that the Roman catholic religion was icom• Lord bIOItPETH odd that the eubject had been placed in atihle with the due cultivation of the soil of Ireland. settlement and these precautions were considered per the hands of Sir J. Rennie for inquiry, and his report had " Hear," and a laugh.) The loon. and learned doctor manent. How have they stood the test of time ? not been envie d. (Bowe ing) would bear him out that in Swezerland there was How do Belgium and its fortresses check France ? The next vote was for 33,0001. to the 31st of March, 1849. • marked difference between the protestant and catholic Are the Rhenish provinces a strength or a weakness one moiety of the cost of certain works of navigation con. putt The e rotestanto always looked after their business,What has the duchy of Milan proved to tinted with railways in Ireland.—The vote was agreed to. the catholies neglected everything f ur • funeral, wed. Austria ?—a source of cruelty, discontent, disgrace, to . P russ i a ? On the next vote tieing out, for 1,1841. for the works and ding, or a saint's day. Unless government made a deter repaint tel the British ambassador's house at Paris, mined stand, these demands upon the purse of this country military and political weakness. Surely the let Mr. B OSBORNE ohserved that it was a very expensive would be repeated from time to time. ti.irty years have shown that it is not extent of house. It b add originally cost 36,0001., and in six years Mr. B. OSBORNE remarked that throughout the argue territory that gives force to one country, or the pri -15,0001. had been spent on it. ment of the hon. member for Stroud there was this fallacy, \ration of it weakness to anothe r, unless the wishes, that the Irish landlords got their rents, which was rot the the energies, and the loyalty of the inhabitants be The vote was agreed to. taken into account. On the vote being out for 3 , 0001 . for t he works and re- et After an observation from M r. CLZMENTS, " pairs of the British ambassador's home at Madrid. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY asked whether this money wee If we wish to erect a bulwark against the French Mr. URQUHART thought this sum more excessive than the vote for the ambassador at Paris. He thought a eutil to be paid out sat the runlets of the relief loan ? in hale, that bulwark must be an Italian not a German cleat reason why it should not be voted was the fact that The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER aci d it one. Fax German rule in that country can never be any would he taken Icons the funds which had been vote d for thing but provisionahand never anything but a source there was no tenant. There was no ambassador at Madrid, and there was no reason why there should be one. lie the relief of Ireland. moved that the vote be reduced to the same amount es that In reply ton queetion from Lord H. HEINTINCI, of weakness and mierule both to Italians and to The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said Germans. True conservatism, therefore, the conserva tor the British Ambassador's house at Peri..tion of the balance of power, should consult na- Mr. B. OSBORNE tied that Sir H. Beirut . had hired 10,000,0001. had been voted, and somethieg more than the hoose tor 5001. a year for 20 years. He coneluded that 9 , 000 , 0001 . bed been expended. . tionality, and raise up an Italian people and an Sir H. Bulwer had let it, and hewondered whether any ro _ Mr. P. SCROPE attributed the pauperism of Ireland in a Italian ,. pruce. duction was to be made on that account. great degree to the misconduct of the landlords in neglecting Lord PALM IeRhTON said that Sir li. Bulger he ing this only be done and otherwise It is plain that ts can by an exten to employ the poor in reclaiming waste lend s , sion of _, ~, obliged to leave the I owe whicii he formerly orcupied, tie improving their property. constituting his race monarchs of an empire to ex could not find another hoots. suitable without difficulty aid Sir D. NORRRYS defended the Irish landlorde, and de without taking a lease of it. It was, therefore, neceseary dared that he as one would prefer any amount of taxation to tend from the Lower Alps to the Mincio or the Adige. We are not blind to the defects a CHARLES that government should undertake the alterations and repairs coming to that house for aid. Lord J. RUSSELL . said that, in the present circum ot the house. Tree expense of the rent would not fall upon the pablic stances of Intent, with an nacres'. 4 charge by poor- ALBERT'S character, or to the spots upon his Toe amendment was withdrawn and the vote agreed to. rate of from 400,0001. to 1,800,0001., and a threat- reputation. We are well aware how much, in the , later movements or the campaign, he has laid himself ens d tenure in Val potato crop, ;he did not think 37,5001. wee then voted for steam communication to India t would he wire to lay down anv definite plan by the Red Sea; 15,0001. for militia and vo'untetra in wi t h ~ o pen to suspicion and distrust. But we believe the tto the condition ot Ireland. The government o 6 ' Chief points of the accusation utterly unfounded, and Canada ; 20001 tor a liahttiouse at Barbed°. ; 22,6001 to i ' a en c l. In 'e ow to what • :tent that tailu're prevailed , or how defray the exp, was of medal Ito reg:ate the services •.1 th • much of the crop might ' e paved comparatively with last the betrayal of Milan, for example, a pure calumny. army and nave from 1793 to 1814; 10,0001. for further ex- y ear. They could not tell either what might he the amount It is very natural that Italian troops, overwhelmed pelisse probably to bo ineurre d Inc the mainten trice of eon- oso they by the superior numbers of the Austrians, should, after view; and 1,5001 for Lieut. Waghor-, for hi. services in ••- - ( deetitution in the present year , an d that bein g Ave days' hard and unsucc essful fi g htin g , be unwillin g must on ask for the cottfidence of parliament, not however certaining th,.. ptactnehility of the refute to Alexenetria• without promising a due regard to economy. If the extent The state of his army On the motion that 12,0001 . be voted for the completion of of the calamity should reach such a point as to demand ex- to renew was excuse theenough strugg for CHARLES ALBERT'S with le. the rebuilding of the British ambassador's house at Con traerdinary measures they would call parliament temether, s tantioople, but they did not prove- hew. the end ot the union to drawal behind the Adds. It was evideotly not his Mr. URQUHART complained that 45,000!. had been lay down any general plan by which to provide against • first intention to defend Milan. And if he did hasten already spent her that object. He moved :hat the rose be me c alamity of which they could not foresee the extent. duced by onebolf, thither, it was with no determined or trustful hope of The vote was then agreed to. Lord PALMERSTON stated that the original estimate The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the being able to defend it. There was infirmity of pur- IMS 4,5,0001. That estimate had to en met Only exceeded, next vete was the tut which would be asked for the pur- pose, not treachery, in his conduct. And whatever but there were many reasons why such a house shotd_d cult pose, inastnuth as Canada, the colony to which the vote had was the spirit of the Milanese, we think it fortunate more than one at anosher place. reticence, had undertaken the cot ~f future cmi ration. The that the city did not hold out against the overwhelm - Mr. OSBORNE would like to knew the teas - nee Ile vote he asked was to cover the charges which the provprovinces• mg force and artillery of RADETZKI . hoped that this ambassador did not ado p t none habits bed undertalt n, to meet the tliit.e.o and destitution which there ? (Laughter.) had been brought to the American shores by the influx or Our press, however, uuites with Austria and with Lord PALMItRS lON explained that some of the reasons France in running down CHARLES ALBERT : in so Trish em i g rants . II tr Mejesty'e government had felt bound, were that roving to being enefitied to the originia sit- it had en Feint sensations made to them, to defray the ,:pease thus doing, it doesth fi e nt w hlet o a r lF k yre, o hn t et h iel e ,civ. en ihA t o : L i ar c ts i e o A f aLm l ß ta bLi i ß i t an iTous f e ree - v..0 been necessary to make a great depth of fcundation : end it eittailed upo I the colorists to an extent they were unable to had been requisi o also to use iron etuetete, and to W ee dote . Predominating Iho Dear, on the'unuerstan.ling chat for tan future the celoniets other ierecautions against Hee. aur al vroul.l undertake the burden. He therefore mov.d th.X The amendment was withdrawn, and the vote was worse than Austria, and dielike hie rule of North i 130.9691 103 War:L.4 to her V. &testy tu el tray the expenses ill keep up the ngreed to. •iicurreei in tho British North Ameeicse pr-vinces on account Italy even more than that of a German vioe- On the vote of 20,0001. for civil otntingencies being mi., t the s ick tool destitute emigrants to those c-loth s from I roy. For German role w status quo of Italian diecontent till st.ch time as Mr. OSBORNE. teltiected to the gratuit.tes rid sem,. for Ireland. woo ss employed in relieving distress In Ireland, which Me. HUME supported the Tote, and wise that this country the French are ready to take advantage of it. An amou Aim to 4,0451. He complained that the Irish owed ade p debt of gratitude to the Canadian. her their Italian monarch would commence - coast guard envies had been neglected, while Mr. conduct en the trying calamities by which they had been t C ro ll thu Aß nadt L ha E ion B A Italian theus e t r r ok t ni h nl aygt kingdom i ro s um to ly: y an tutogetrer new cte li th e e r ean o fac f Trevelsan had obtained rewards and honeurs. lie had visited. system and career. And for this, it. is cot ro much been made • K.C.8., which be thought was dragging that Mr. M'GREGOR mho supported the vote, which was an t.; . the alcoi per so nal s iddyl. d. c i h y are as. distinction in the dirt. Why not make him a privy couch act of justice to the Canadians. caller ? Nobody would object to that. (Laughter.) He Mr. P. SCROPE thought this expense bad been thrown might deserve the distinction of IL C.P., kmght commander on the country from the careless and negligent manner in o f potatoes—but certainly not that of K.C.B. The govern- which Irish paupers had been sent out from this country to any of the others, Austrian, or Tuscan, or Bourbon. meat had acted very differently towards Sir H. Pigott, to the Canadas. The whole evil arose trom the want of proper can but found semi-national and ephemeral and local whom they censidered the honorary distinction was enough, arranitements in the conveyance of these people to that jurisdictions. notwithstanding his great services. colony. We think, therefore, that the policy which is moat The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not Mr. HENLEY supported the vote as an act ofjustioe to consonant to English, to European, and to Italian review the debate which had taken place on a teenier mein the Cateadiaio. Won, but he would say that the reward bestowed upon Sir The vote was then agreed H su as alm a vote of 500,0001. to intetests, hi consulted by the proposal to the Austrians C. Trevle yen was not unprecedented, and was no more thee discharge the like amount of pplies ranted for the year il P to ive u Lombardy to CHARLES ALBERT. And if htt deserved. 1847. they give it up at all, it must be to him; for no one Dr. BO hoped that the hon , and gallant gentle. The house then resumed (amidst loud cheers), the CHAIR- imagines that a Lombard republic could exist, or man would not divide the house. MAN reported the resolution, and the report was ordered to would to allowed to exist, or that the region is worth I Mr. J. A SMITH bore testimony to the extraordinary be received teemorrow (this day). erecting into new and independent prinmpalit W devotion of Sir C. Trevelyan in dee ributing and superintend- POOR REMOVAL (ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND) _ ___ ~. •.. ,_,_,_ I-, e 1 ing the money that was given for the relief of the Irish poor. BILL nem not say WMA neither tue eo re o ven the trench 1 Sir it. INGLIS felt it his duty to beer similar testimony to mom M moved the second nading of the Poor Edvernment g? to that of Vienna with a blustering the conduct oiSir C. Trevelyan. Rl (Eoglend end Scotland) Bill. order, saying, ' Cede this, or we will. make war upon Col. DUNNE protested against the reward to Sir C. Tre- Mr. HENLEY mewed that the debate on this important TIM." It is neither the duty nor the character ot velyan. Othcts had done a great deal more than Sir C. measure should be adjourned. Tendrils, and they received no reward. He bad brought No MONSELL could not see any objection to the prin• England to make or to menace war. But Austria libellous charges against the Irish people, and east unworthy eiple of the bill, the details of which could be arranged in must feel, that, for her give aspersions on tne gentry of that country. ere was . committee. Tt bl hortations of France and England, and to persist •in re- Soyer, who displayed great zeal and ability in the Mlle of Mr. BROTHERTON objected to the hill being proceeded tainiog the Italian status quo as ;he arms of Ba the people of Ire:and. (Laughter.) He thought great in- with at this late hour. It was a measure which would have roam have established it—neither Austria nor Mites was done to H. Boyer to not getting some reward. He the effect of pauperising the districts with which he was cone would vote for the punier of his hon. frietul, also, because he neeted. any one else deceive themselves as to the result of thought Art by conferrina the distiaction of K.O B. on Sir After a few words from Mr. 0. A. HAMILTON. awl a refusal. No one can suppose that the peace of C. Tr velyan that honour had been degraded. Mr. %V. BROWN moved that the bill should be read a Europe can be permanently maintained on such a Mr. U. DRUMMOND theuebt it was impossible tea over seemed time that day MIL months. to. intople. LOUIS PHILIPPE himself avulse rot ' rate the services of Sir C. To. e.dy in in ow:rooming the op- Capt. HARRIS thought the immure would be injurious, to) SO, were he on the throne of Fratre to-mort ow. ELECTION COMMITTEES—YESTERDAY. DUBLIN.—At the meeting of the committee counsel for sitting member announced that an amicable arrangement had beenconie to, the result of which was the' his client gave up his claim for costs on the abandoned scrutiny ; the (Nil petition against Mr. Grogan to be given up on the same con ditions. The committee to make a special report; for which see yarliamentary proceedius. LIIELTENEISM.—Mr. James summed op for the sitting member, and Mr. Gurney replied for the petitioners. The committee then reaolvid that Mr. Craven Berkeley had by his agents been guilty of bribery and treating at the elec tion of 1847. Committee adjourned to this day (Thursday) to consider whether the vacated seat should be given to Mr. Gardner, the petitioner. HousnAm.—The evidence respecting bribery and treating continued tl•roughout the day. Vitt Orpnlo. AIL& The overland closed malls, eio Marais, to the Mediterranean, 14ty14 Aden, Ceyka, India, Hong-Kons, se, will be made up on the evening of the 24th Aug. The mails for British North America, and the United States will be made up the evening of the 25th Aug- Tbe mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Modeira, Culls, and Gibraltar will be made up on the morning of the 2;th Aug. The rnalla for New South Wale*, Van DienAll ' il Land. and New Zealand will be made up on the everting of the 314 AugusL The made for the Vi net WWI of Africa and Madeira will be made up on lbw evening of the 314 August. The Went India Mails, including Bermuda. Nmaxil, Ilavanna, Honduras, New Orleans, Vera Crux, Tampico, and Porto Itina, and excluding thaw for Madeira, Jocose', Cartbogen., Santa Men* Chugres, Panama, West Coast of South America, and St. Juan.dc- Nicaragua, will be made up on the morning ol the tad Sept. The malls for the Brazils, tie River Mete, Monteideo, Pernam buco. Bahia, Madeira, and Buenos Ayres, will tie made up on the ev o verland enof the 4tb Sepber. malls l a m eraltar, Malta. Greene, the lonian islands, Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Kong, and China, siM Southamp ton, will be node up on the evening of the 20th Sept. NOTICE TO ADVEUTISERS. The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of th. Stamp-office, during 1847, to the DAILY NEWS wsa 3,447,009 This, we believe, is within eight per cent of the numb,. issued to the Morning Herald, Morning Chromele, an. Wornisq Post, ALL PVT TOORTHIK. In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS, twain,/ Paper, there were issued for the livening Rsisiime THE EXPRESS 778'714 Which was more, we believe, then were , eauroi vlther to •ha Globe or Standard. Evening Papers. II 0H MATTA AT 1.0010/N St ID(111. D A A-110rete A. Ms-0W I: At 0 0 ,... . mi. TA. 10. •••••••••-iliar•lni IWA. pot 11. Afteres...4: ntl. prl 11. If, however, Austria ahotild decidedly object t o the giving up of Lombardy to enattua AL BERT, the question is, what arrangement amid the court of Vienna propose, which would allow Gen. CAVAIGNAC to say that he had concluded as honourable peace, and to maintain that honour. able peace belore the assembly and the p u bli c 'of France. Suppose Austria made the follow ing proposition—viz., to extend and liberali se somewhat the Bret condi.ions brought by M. MELAUER. That diplomatist proposed that th e Lombardo-Venetian kingdom should be constitated apart from the German dominion and go. yerninent of Austria, that it should h ave a representative system and local independence. Now, we will say, that were the gift of this independence guaranteed to be real, and were there not only a se . parate government given to the Lombardo -Vene tians, but a prince and a dynasty, even of the Austrian family—were this prince to govern, lik e the Duke of TUSCANY, with Italian ministers, sap. ported by a military force of Italian soldiers: we do not know but that such a so'.ution would prove 80. ceptable to the liberal and constitutional powers —to France and to England—and finally to the Italians themselves. It is quite evident that the only alternatives are some arrangement similar to this, or Austria's prefer ring and persisting is the c.miplete Austrification of the Venetian territory an 4 capital, and the abandon. ment of Lombardy to CHARLES ALBF.BT on the condi. Mon of its undertaking to be charged with a large portion of the Austrian debt. In a commercial as well as a military point of view, Austria and Germany would be stronger with Venetia part of the empire. To this it is evident the minister at Frankfurt trans, M. ANDRYAN'S mission being to point out the news. sity of Germany's retaining not only the two fortresses on the Adige, but also the two others on the Mincio. The pure Aus rian politicians may, however, have other views, and may prefer a solution of tl.e question more favourable to the dynasty, than to either the commercial or naval interests of Germany. WE suppose it may safely be taken for granted that in the very scanty catalogue of important ma nures passed this session, the Diplomatic Relations with Rome Bill will be included. The large majority in its favour, on its second reading in the Ilouse of C0M1110131., renders it very unlikely that it will either occupy much time or undergo any serious modifica tion in passing through committee. Withiu a week it will be the law of the land; and within a month we may expect to witness the formal renewal of that diplomatic intercourse between the courts of St. James's and the Vatican which, for nearly three cent's& ries, has had no legalised existence. In a less uncertain and turbulent time than the present the event would be a striking one, and would call fur the warm con gratulations of all who deplore the religions dissen sions, of which, though the worst enormities be abo- lished, the spirit is still too rife among a consideral le portion of our population. But now, shorn as the Rennin pontiff is of the " divinity that did hedge " him round—stripped of many of those emblems of authority which the least respected of his pro:bees sors had managed to retain—thwarted in the govern ment of Lis own dominions by a refractory parlia ment and a sea-cely less refractory ministry—risking the utter loss of his temporalities if he keeps on terms with Austria, and perilling his spiritualities,—ma naced with the still more fearful alternative of a Tedescan schism,—if he quarrels with her, the present condition of the Pope is one which the moat acrimo- Moue frequenter of Exeter-hall may naturally rejoice at, but which he has no longer any plausible excuse fur pretending to dread. So that really we cannot point to the very faint and desultory opposition svtich has been offered to this measure during the five months that have elapsed since its rapid passage through the House of Lords, as the cheering and convincing evidence of the predomi nance of a tolerant spirit in these islands which at an earlier period it would have been. The events of the last few month, have made it perfectly plain, that whatever mischiefs the Roman catholic church may be destined still to do the world, must proceed from some other source, and have some other centre of vitality than the inordinate influence of the Bishop of Rome. Glad as we are, therefore, to see this measure passed ; creditable as it is to England that she his determined to get rid of an absurdity which had so long prejudiced her character and interfered with her interests ; we cannot help tearing that, except as an atonement for past forties, and as a testimony of her common sense, this tardy recognition of the expediency as well as the justice of maintaining with the spiritaal head of the larger half of Christen dom, the same friendly relations which she does not object to cherish with Mahometans or Pagans, has come too late to be of that essential service, which has been the principal, though not the most generally acknowledged, motive for its introduction by the pre sent government' If indeed Sir ROBERT INGLIS and Mr. ANSTEY had as much foresight in regard of the future, as they boast a preposterous and indiscrimi nating attachment to the past, we might conjecture that a measure which they concurred to oppose, mist be pregnant with immense advantages to the people of these realms. But the duration of the papal power on its present basis, or in any of the positions in which hitherto it has been formidable, is precisely the last subject on which we would be inclined, even haruspi- L ally and by negative inference, to consult the tears or the prejudices of either of these gentlemen. Not but that the objections which they severally made to the bill, and the consequences which they anticipated • from its being carried into effect, might fairly be pitted against each other as ludicrously incompatible. Under no circumstances could events prove Sir R. Deems a true prophet, without Mr. ANSTET being equally proved a false ot,e, and vice versa. At e doubt if any, the most unanimous, acceptance of this measure by the House of Commons would be so strong a testimony to its policy (if not too late) as there being no opposition to it, but one composed of such heterogeneous and conflicting elements, and championed by such antidotes to common sense and to each ether, as led that opposition on Thursday night. It will be curious, certainly, if, as Lord &MINTON'S amendment (excluding ecclesiastics from representing the court of Rome) proved the cause of five months' mortal delay, alter the triumph of this bill in the House of Lords, so the Duke of WEL LINGTON'S amendment, which substituted the term " sovereign of the Roman States" for ', sovereign Pontiff," as it originally stood—should, by the pro grese.. of events, have the effect of nega t i v ing the principal objects for which the bill was introduced It was, we cannct help thinking, a weakness on the part of Lord LANSDOWNE to yield so readily to the Duke of WELLINGTON'S recortmendation. and intro• dune into the bill what wee so palpably a subterfuge, unworthy of an EnAish peer to suggest, and of the English legi-latore to sanction. What a pity when a good and sensible thing is to be done by man or nation, and a tardy homage rendered to ju , tice an ! common sense, that it can so seldom be perform•d with that good grace and frankness of demeanou r which lend uew lustre to the noblest actions! It would be a merited retribution for this pusillanimous blinking of the real question, if the bill, obtained by such concessions, proved by this change i o ns title to be an utter futility. It will not need for that, what some have gone so far as to forebode, that the Pope should be driven from Rome an exile and a vagabond , without a shelter and without a home. Any material progress in revolution further than what has already occurred at Rome, can scarcely fail to eever the spiritual authority of that state from the temporal, and place the Po at in a position analogous to that which , b y a transition, the GRAND LAMA of Thibet, and Caliphs of Egypt, occupied , aft er the decay of the ir temporal power. The innovating zeal of Italy, or the republican fervour of the Hom an populace may, aught any one can foresee in this year I of the new revolutionary era, abolish in Coto even the title of Sovereign Pontiff, which Lord LANSDOWNE SO DAP taously to the House of Lorda, and discourteous ad lY his holiness, e, consented to suppress. Heen the Roman catholic faith, and spiritual vereign of one-half the Christian world COlatin— the successor of ST. PETER will ?. to be. But secularised Rome may refuse to reo o o.. e , him in any other capacity than that of Primate Italy ; and as such lie would, in a temporal 1 4 1 d, s ti no longer a sovereign, but a subject of the state which his see may be placed. Whether in a.DY to event he is likely to retain the tame authonty with the Roman catholic subjects of other states, wh , eP o : now enjoys, it is diffi mit to say ; but 't or. that it is not exftetl'3 thro ugh an emba , aado r, or kill; officer of that raLk , t hat the sovereigus of tu • . 4 ,... , ‘X , - .4..0qi.,0: , Allii, 0' Y TSB rf ' s tis It - 9 NG, 'AilGti ST 24; 1841 . . es pidel saci fer b e error u Mr. of in r gfon . S° . 21STer•InietitrniunitbailPidl:caitb;e: ‘willitl'' ..!d!l‘.............mscarlarti•ll4l4ll3ehß'vdQ.U°LlrAiairßT4nTo:::::ll)); the a :e:ci l in r4e fent v t rii Sir C. 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The help It would be bette hierarchy than a 'Oita the hierac pauperi.ed in suc may be assumed pauperism !Tepee that their clatm torn some heroic st by Dr. HOOK, approximation to of the motion on M upon the governs wards the people the people of the principle th wrong, the revert: of using this text great subjects of colic and protest clergy have neitli them to put thei of the establishr the advantages o We have said lei have used a stri WILLIAM M. is by oath to " tea , athool within h What, then, ha , which Mr. HAMI of a separate way of educatio lable amount of f ing Aftd bigotr' utter inefficiency has been evident year 1731 the dr applied in the si society produced old system, ti thought it neca 'abject to the Ir was appointed t Ibi the society, w C the schools wi dition ; and the baciety was awl imprisoning, B t the natural affi, ran to waste of under the prete young geuerati rate, on the ex< oonla seldom bi . of scarcity, COI about 1,100,00( schools, .500,00 The last ati by the Kildare when the zeal traordinary in danger" eirc bt• the wealth the richest hit Society, at a p scarcely possit 14 years' zeala 137,639 as the bar, it must Ix pnditure of E the effect of v and Protestan the difficulty tam was I. seen ing over" part sand their chi of inflamed saved by the I was at thissta education the Their success 4,000 schools clreo. This imentation bt famine, poll 'therefore, but any endeacol useful @Atom attempt can bigotry or tl *own that I then of cour amount to would be to Which must education at foe separate +erred, esti sorts. Tan Fre law against animadverei According t lieh his op] to prove hu iPleo, but In Sp a i n managed it pleat, an th 'auralir,an opi; . bet parnain in laid. whin suPPiosaioi cusettate bi "De, thou dictato r . E hisycPer of the fine condition, the go% err