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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAT, MAT 6. Tb. LORD CRASCILLOR took his seat at 6 o'alock. PETITIONS PRESENTED. INSPICTION or N vssieni ea.—By the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, from Lindell, signed by 33,370 Persons .I.lsiblin, Peckham, Walworth, Walthamatow, Royston, Worcester, Hertford, end Maryport, praying for the in spection of nunneries. COVNTT COURTS.—By Lord STANLEY of ALDER LEY, from Manchester, praying for the extension of county courts. _ _ rIIE SA 11.—By the Bishop of SALISBURY, Irma several places, preying for a better obeervenee of the Sabbath. COMMON LAW AMENDMENT. Lord BROUGHAM wished to call attention to a hill, which he had introduced, and which had been read a second time. fur making areat amendments in the law of evidence nail procedure. The Common Lsw Commissioners by their second report, recently presented, approved of this mea sure ; and he begged to give notice, that upon going into committee on the bill on Monday next, he should propose to divide it into two pmts. with a view of passing those clauses about which there was no material difference of opinion, and he should reserve the other puts of the bill fora sepa rate measure. REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the third reading of This bill. The objection, which had been urged to it by his noble anal! al friend on his left (Lord St. Leonard's) ho did not think of great force. There was one consider'. non, however, to which the select committee had directed their most anxious attention, namely, the additional cost which ini.tht be entailed on the purchasers of small estates. Their lordships, helm they' consented to the bill passing, outfit to be satisfied that it was en essential measure to wards the security of titles generally ; and if they were so witi,fled, although they might regret that the charge pressed more heavily on mall purchasers than on large one., he thought it would not be regarded as an insuperable ohjeetion to the measure. The time was when property was transferred without any writing, by mere word of month, and no doubt when written deeds were required it was felt to be a hardship. The change then was greater than that which was now proposed; but the legislature must deal with the whole community ; and it was impossible, in may matters of legislation, to cress equally on all classes. The committee had cometothe determination that where the , purchase money was under 2001., there should be no fee whatever paid fur registration. A noble Marquis near him (Salisbury) had objected that that would be making The large purchasers pay for the small ; but, as even the barge purchaser were only to pay from one to two pounds, it could not he very severely telt by them. (Hear, hear.) It was calculated that there would be from eighty to 100.090 deeds registered per annum, and a small fee upon such a number would be sufficient to pay all the expenses of the office as to one fifth of the population—namely, 141, Idleses and Yorkshire ; registration was now necessary, and they were now charged considerably more than they would b, under the new system. Small purchasers, more over, would derive great benefit from the proposed measure as well as greet ones. A friend had recently reminded him of • circumstance which occurred early in his professional career, who purchased the remainder of an estate in War wickshire, of which he had previously been part owner, and subsequently found that a mortgage existed en the property he had bought, in consequence of which he bad to pay over scats MS half of the purchase fmemay. It was to game semen the preibility of the resenean of such a case that the present bill bed bear. pra poult. He had had may sinnagesellen ea the subject complaining that the 11101011111 did net ge tar easegh, and th it the only way to deal with the qase&n was to simplify the dealing with real property by doing sway with entails, and soon. He could only say that the present measure wee the annum foundation be every improvement (Hoar.) Lord ST. LEONARD'S think' the bill would not work well for the pawpaw be nisi it wee prepeesd. For two centuries• diniell bed Weed to have shine this nature, but it had sever posh biome nobody seal ever hit upon a ening hat malt be bewail& • moan gad ler le the present bed besa nee ea lines Were is mak bat arm lad bonne • law. I. legs the sinm pen it sissies gen ea upbeat hat the sawn wend see week well within a map dim wide blegion; ofd the pessest sneers, set ewwwsheagsw sub $ mugs weld harem the evils which is was m only. - Theme& question bonier, we te the eggs. Is as casts were nowhere staled. There ought to be • Ink of coos. What mini be the espouse of a lealgag The registrars in Thinks mid Minion wind bare to he psi.% a largo einpreesties. The Isesepareled Law said that hive mesh be 1,000 deeds • day to be whop it was esseldseed hat all the et he assay was to come wink the slope of this gemease ; sad the ma chinery to arid alibis weal ewe set lee dos • mUlien a yea. Hs would WHO their kekbkle to "sip whether it was desirable be be,.. epos the amid Mamas that heap additi nal bens, which wend est merely be with out any corresponding *dealings, bat maid be atisaded with very peruimoseramdta. It was pzeomi Se knees what was called a legmg ;bah Ana all property I bet in truth it was not a legmy hdh, se be Heald speedily shew. There was, seseener, this dilibutlty la it, whisk had not been notion& hales—aamely, that they would have to send vale= mai surveyors to ewes man's estate every tins it shisagea koala No this bill was a amensna wend eennead the edegistien of every Clmahe Isekwy:ir. basun mites he the would be tram week to weet= eumuldi eelloweets had taken plies. If, then, they wished to give facilities to the pro posed taxation, let their lordships support this bill ; but he did set sapper net there were mew et them who would thin the imisami a eery desirable sae. There was this gnu diarease bettessa the eiettimplated tax on succor snag sad a legeey ditty. In the lame ease the impost wee plena open property which the legates did not possess. No leak it was hard to have the be unmated from his leggy; but it was levied epee whet bed arm been his. 1 a the other case, however, they wield tee a man's own estate, and the settlements he might make for his children. guppies a noble lord Rada a settlements upon his daughter for her marriage postion, bee husband would enjoy it for his lifetime, with rowans to herself and her children afterwards. If the end lord's son-la-law Maki then the law, a lirlag man, would me a peens ef his espied inn he bed tins to his daughter he km lappet tined =lse this we nn legacy duty. (Rear.) The wile had, aids deoeoweieg the pro posed tax he iteletelglidel anon, mellwarieg heir lord ships not to Med 10 ein a mateeki esistimie es they woo he gbh it if pegiell die 101, and be eltenlil Tote t third Their lordshipsthedded— Ceutenta 67 Not contents - - - - 29-28 Os the qaullea that the bill do peek Lord CALL expressed the peallasilisa be felt at metes • ammo ter which he bad lobeared ter twisty-four peen ea tie paid et Isaias *sir lordships' bow, sad tailed Mat It Willi be *Raft eseisootol k the other booadoe Ktb lagliatues. I.bsL bowing, asoldrrable Naha wbelata It wadi wit pewit Me Her et Commas tee late tele debated Oa masa. sad be lisped Mot is sued et moguls( padir.to at the sod et the waft it weld mak be eamodote Mattis bin oakiht begone la w thisposa lt woad be ea assollosit it the hare were adjoined*, two sr Cave sloadis at th plea e aid of sash sieolea, to amble the. to take up sad finish the MINIM that were fa pogrom (Hew, hoar.) Lard LYNDHURST gam his hearty support to the bill, sad said that if hie mobla sad learned tripod (Lord St. Leo nardo) had attended the esmainsieo hi would am beam Midst that hi balm to the operatics of the measure wan goroodism. Alter a slight altercation Wires, Lord Sr. Laureano sad Lord BIAIIIIONT ate whither the bill had remised the aunties et the two royal e/V= the Lord OVIRSTOHR waraily bill, which, ootwithsisadig the oppugned' Ifs *slob and learaed lord (St. lamminii) vas osioalod Walnut awry ether legal authority as a port Nip hi Moms% and the !mash= of every future impsoMmat. Ravin himself probably bad as much exprhnea se almost say ass with regret to the th an ! (Lin ef deeds as sionrities kr be wassenvioaed aa WS timid had to no mmHg bid that it would preys emWitior el them wasp at which moat dam had lamaght about ht the otorti tutioo of this seastiy. The bill was lima pored. ROADS IN INDIA. The Earl of ALIMMAItIx moved for the following revalue: —Rebus ebewfwg the sombre of miles of each of the tank roads ef India it fee the transport of goods by wheel amnia" and la Mud use for this purges% for the latest pelted lee width the same esa be mynah also re turn sbewiag the member of miles Omen roads within the several terrieseise, the meth waseerApeethessa, Madras, and Bombay toge th er with the asses disbuseed from the public revenue for their royale mad roalessuimee, lbw the last year for which the ail NS be supplied; also, return showiag the wean( el esikleef puns raids within sub of the Bn tisk eselemegie el of lei Ned. Singapore, sad llensis; Welber with the cost of nits( the twee, sod the nosed serene of ask* thee% end stating whether ink le &hens" ken polka Me or municipal rates ; elein silos ambit the glen ,anent of the Lad tan in aU the pill knob sew watered by irrigation from the several Iteembee of the Jsmwah Canal for the year, stating the was leamiliktely mending "Deb irrigation, and for tee lest yaw De shish the eons esa be supp!ied ; also return shads( be peso motet 011ie bed tat in all the abbe lands new watered by the Gawps Canal and its Os nee (untie( the sews), Imettletely re adies seek lestellen sad kr the hot_ per kr whisk the awe 1111111:=Sistess shwas the number of inks et senelniseed by the govern nest of bilis willis ".. grantasey it Madras ' in each year dose the nee lON Inner with the net of the same ; sad else roles merit( nipeetively the number of canals, woke end lennekeenstneted by the government of India, Ink the sea of the essee, within the territory of Bombay wises the Jen UN together with the cost of the same. Me he Whet their lordships on this subject he had sess me w two Igsssstimes connected with India, wise bed ressally bees that country, and they bore him eat la his esnirden that lite roads both from Calcutta to Bombay and from Donley to Delhi were, as far as the malls were totherued, when roads in imagination. (A laugh.) Lieutenant-Colonel Grant, of the liomtay mailmen, described them as only cleared tracks, umbridged, and with frequent slopes of one in six. (Rear, hear.) Ceylon, which was by all intents and purposes, India, there had been no fewer than 1,239 math of road made serviceable within the last four years. Nuw, the area of that island was 2.;,000 pram mites, where the area of the British possessions on the continent end the Di butary states through which the roads must puss was 1,250,000 miles, so that if they were as will 'applied es Ceylon there would be no less than 10.000 miles of road, instead of the 3,1 a miles, of which only dee 900 miles be. tween Cakutts and Delhi were good, ths rest being merely. roads is nethibus, or at best looming in the future. ' (" ileac, hear," and a laugh.) Tlsi noble ISA also mowed for two additional returns, name's', a retain wf . all the charges incurred in surveying and setting out roads in the north western provinces ; and a return of all the charges incurred by the governments of Bengal, Bombay, and Ma dras, in the formation and embankment of the water courses, end of the sums expended in improving the naviga tion of the Jtnnnaand the pang's.. .. . . Earl GRANVILLE had no objection to the production I' the returns so far as they could be furnished ; and The returns were accordingly ordered. CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. The select committee cm this bill less nominated. CATHEDRAL APPOINTMENTS BILL. The hoese went into committee oa thu bill and the va rious clauses were Weed to. The Bishop of OXFORD gave notice that on bringing up the report he should move the addition of a clause suspend ing the operation of the act, under which the capitular bodies at present have power to Resign their estates to the Ecclesiastical Commission in return for fixed stipends, till parliament shall have considered the report of the cola. The bill then passed through committee. LUNACY REGULATION BILL-LUNATIC ASY LUMS BILL-LUNATIC CARE AND TREATMENT BILL. Thew bills sees severally read a third time and passed. THE IRISH REVENUE POLICE. Th. Earl of said i t was stated by a member of the government in the House of Commons that it was the intention of government to make some alteration in this force. This force was armed sad drilled, and kept up without authority of parliament, which was illegal. The neat objection to the force was, that it was inefficient to keep down illicit distillation. For them reasons he thought it highly desirable that the form should be abolished, and its daties transferred to the constabulary, which was the more neemeary if the duty on spirits were increased. Hs asked what were the intentions of government with regard to this force. The Earl of ABERDEEN maid the noble lard wu under Bosse misapprehension with regard to the declaration made decision ' by Ma hos:atollescree. No 1., had been taken on the subject by her Majesty's government, but it was under con sideration. At present the eonstabulary enjoyed the respect and the good-will of the country, and if they were engaged it the duty the revenue police now performed, it might materiallyinterfere with their present position. However, the subject was under consideration, and ultimately mea sures might be adopted which would render the revenue force more efficient. ------ Lord MONTBAOLE said their lordship. would have heard with tome surprise that en armed force had been kept togethet for 20 years without parliamentary authority. The fact was the existence of as armed excise police was much older than any of their lordships, and was wall known and recognised. Something short, however, of 20 years ego, it was discovered that this force was entirely without organisation, and that there was no discipline in it. There was • report to that effect in the Treasury, and he hoped his noble friend would have no objection to laying that report and the other documents on the table of the house, in order to show what the condition of the force was and what it is now. The force was then placed under the eon , mend of Colonel Bunton, who brought it into a State of I order and discipline. He was glad to hear from the noble earl that government had not disposed of this question. It was • question that involved considerations of the highest importance. When, the constabulary force was appointed it was very unpopular with many of the landlords of Ireland. because they could not use It for their private purposes, the force being for bidden to assist in preserving game, in ooUeetiag rents or tithes. Nor were they employed to collect the revenue. He warned the government that the purpose of collecting the revenue was the very worst purpose they could apply this force to. If they had the constabulary, now obeying the excise officer, and now obeying the magistrate, they would find that the force would be effectual for neither the one pupae nor the other. Beyond that the means of cot were so immediate when they brought the consta bularyinto immediate contact with the distiller. Money corruption and spirit corruption would inevitably be the re. milt The noble earl would remember the disorganisation introduced into the regular army when it was employed 1 " still boating." If it were necesasry, let them add to the revenue police, but let them not disorganise their civil service for the purpose of collecting revenue. CLITHEROB ELECTION. - - Lord BEAT:3IONT gave notice that oa Monday he would call the attention of the house to the position they were in with regard to this Clitheroe election, no answer haying bee, returned to the communication from the lions* of Commons on the subject. Their lordships then adjourned at five minutes put sena o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FiLIDAY MAT 6. The hoses was at this time densely crowded on both The question having been put and agreed to, " That the clerk do proceed to call over the orders of the_ day," the first order was read as follows :—" Mr. Duffy—Con sideration of exeeption to words."—" Mr. Duffy—To attend in his place." The SPEAKER—As the hon. member for New Rosa is in his plan, I have to remind the hon. member of the de titian of the house last night. The house was informed, by the report of the committee of ways and means, that certain words had been spoken by the hon. member in committee, which words were as fo llows:—" The grossest corruption ever practised in the days of Walpole and the Pelhams has been practised under my own eyes on Irish members in this house." I have now to tell the hon. member that if he has any explanation to make, this is the time to offer it. I think it is hardly necessary for me to ware the hon. member that the house is always willing to extend a large share of indulgence to any hon. member who, in the heat of debate, has allowed to escape him expressions which are calculated to offead other hon. members or the house ; and I hope that the hon. member will be prepared with such an explanation or apology as will be satisfactory to the hoar,. (Cheers.) Mr. DUFFY then nee amidst profound silence. He spoke as follows :—I wish int to set myself right with the house and then to proceed to such explanation as lam prepared to offer. In the first instance I desire to fecal to the house exactly what happened. When I was inter rupted last night it was not by a tall to order, but by a challenge to prove the statement I had made. If I had been called to order, and the chairman had pronounced me out of order, I should have felt myself bound to set myself right with the committee, in whatever manner might have boa sallcient for the . Bat in answer to a chal lenge to prove my weeds, I felt then, and I feel now, that it would net he a course at all reconcilable to my cooselene• or my sense of honour, simply to with draw the winds the truth of which was questionable—was questioned. After some debate, members on both sides having spoken, Mr. Bouverie at length declared that I was out of order. I was then about to rise immediately, to take the course that seemed to me necessary under such circum stances, namely, to say, in point of fact, that I was quite aware that the rules of debate in this or in any other u seably, must set be violated and that if I had in any manse violated that, I was e xtremely sorry for having us risswee. I was about to take that course when the debt lies, peedenum the aterabor for Buokingbarnahire leterpreed, and *MA that to charge upon a ministry or a peeneement ipiewpt pueedoes wee not a breach of order, but wo o ea tie 1111111101 y, a privilege, and even a duty, of the MEM= sf alb bob. Under these circumstances I did eel aid that I wee Weal et saes, without waiting for some hither debate, in eider te eieertain the opinion of the Imes, to take the ammo which I had intended to take be /me. After that, the peesibility of withdrawing the words was taken away from me completely, as it seemed tome, by the conduct which the noble lord the member for the City of London thought peeper * panne. That noble lord stated that, after I had mile dr awes, I endeavoured to ay away from the subjeet, mai te maid nazis, the parties. Now, the my reverse was the het. (Hear, hear.) I ap peal to beth Ades of the has. ea this point. I waited several minutes—a very keg lime under such cireum stancee—to ascertain what the pleasure of the house was. I eat down twice, get up again, and over and over again said that I would do what the hoses wished ; that if the chairman, spealdetthe lima of the horse. wished me * name the Partiee,l Mold time Mem i end I neither at that time, nor sines, avoided the reeposeltillity of naming the parties, nor do Ido it now. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord went on to say that I could not prove a syllable of what I had uttered. Now I appeal to honourable au demon on both sides of the house whether, after emit a statement as that, I oould withdraw the weeds, and end the matter in dispute in that fashions. Would any hon. member, after it had been stated by a ulster of the crown that he had made allegation. which he could not prove, consent to put an end to the diepwlel withdrawing the words which it was said he es prove ? (Cheers.) It did not seem to me pomade* Wm that course. (Hear. hear.) After I withdrew, by enter et the chair, I was informed b some of my hon.friende here that a cir cumstance occurred on which I should also wish to offer some explanation. I have been told that it was im puted to me, in *hit debate that ensued, that I bad con veyed, and intended to convey, the charge that money was given to secure the votes of certain of the Irish members. Now I wish to state that I did not mean my charge to convey that. (Hear, hear.) What I did mean to convey I shall state briefly if you will permit me, because l wish ' the house thoroughly to understand that that was not the allegation. (Hear, hear.) What I did mean to amen was this. I meant that the political profligacy which prevailed at the time of Bir Reben Walpole and In the administration of the Duke of Neweiutle ' when men were induc e d t o abandon the most solemn an d circumstantial pledges, and to leave behind them reputation and political character for the purpose of accepting place—that that conduct seemed BERWICK ELECTION. to me to be exceeded by circumstances that had fallen Mr. T. MITCHELL presented a petition from Mr. M. under my own elisereation since I had been a member of Forster late member for Berwick, complaining that he had this house. (Loud cheers from the opposition.) I meant been unjustly charged with striving to procure the with- to charge that certain Irish members had, in point of drawal of the petition, and preying for inquiry, and moved fan, outrun anything I had ever heard or read of in dim that it should be read by the clerk at the table. creditable abandonment of their reputed principles, for pur- This havin4 been done, poses which I could only interpret, and which it items to Mr. MITCHELL begged to ask the Speaker, whether, me are only capable of interpretation, as being to their own supposing the statements of the petitioner to he correct , he personal advantage. (Hear, hear.) If I know what poll , did not consider that a breach of the privileges of the house deal corruption means, that is political corruption. (Cheers.) had been committed. And, air, I repeat now, what I have said over and over The SPEAKER said he must know something more of again in this debate, that if it be the wish of this house, I the circumstances of the case before be could answer that am ready to specify the individuals I mean, and to state question. The matter had been a subject of inquiry before what appeared to me most urgent facts in sustainment of an election committee; and it would entirely depend on the these allegations. These being my opinions, of court* it is whole of the evidence adduced as to what had been done quite impossible that I can retreat from them. But I wish with reference to the withdrawal of the petition, whether the house to understand fully this—that if,; in stating this the persons had been induced to withdraw it by here (and I have often stated it elsewhere), I have violated The Stitaam. Web tb• shalt fin minutes beiore 4 o'clock. TM few was at that time anumally fall, members having hessaeteaated to ham the further proatedings in:Mr lDuffy's era, waist stood as the ant order of the day. Mr. Duffy was amass, the earliest m the bquse, and took his meas. lama plass on the opposition side of the bout*, on the w• end bane below the gangway. PRIVATE BUSINESS. ___ CRYSTAL PALACE COMPANY BILL. fonie ; ameOds eats toth4t;iil wer e eoniiidered and weed to; as were those to the Great Yarmouth Water weeks Bill. _ _ followin g bills were severally read a third time and CV:-13elfast and Ballymena Railway Bill ; 3lanchester, eld, sod Lincolnshire Railway Bill. The Severn Navigation Bill wea considered, and agreed to. PUBLIC BUSINESS. PETITIONS PRESENTED. Tun Bunorr.—By Col. BOYLE, from From., against the inertias, of the dug on the timings of the tea and to bacco dealers ; Hr. PAIGE, from the dm of Lundy Foot and Co., of Dublin, complaining of the reduction of the duty on foreign manufactured tobacco; Captain BUN , BURY, from the inhabitants of the county of Carlow, against the extension of the income tax to e lreland ; Mr. MEAGHER, from the Town Council of Waterford, against the extension of the income tax to Ireland; Mr. FRENCH, from Ballinasloe, against the extension of the income tax to Ireland. _ _______ _ _ TA=NS ox MeowLinoi.—By Mr. BOWYER, from the members of the Dondelk Mechanics' Institution, against. Amortize' CiRTIPICATE Dort.—By Col. BLAIR, from the procurators practising in the Sheriff Courts in Ayr shire ; Mr. THICKNESSE, from anoraks and law students et Wigan, for retaining stamp duty of 1251. and abolition of all the certificate duty. By Mr. FOLEY, from the at tarnish@ of Redditr-h ; Mr. H. W. WICK HAY, from the attornies and solicitors practising in the benumb of Brad- ford, Yorkshire ; Mr. MOFFATT, from the @elicitors of Ashburton; Mr. STRUTT, from Nailer= ; for the repeal of. MA MILIAOR WITH A DECEASED Wine. Siam—Mr. W. LASLBTT, from Stourbridge, signed by mileitors, gentlemen, manufacturers, tradesmen ethers, to the number of 233 ; Hon. C. HANSI:Rif t & ban the towns of Roes, Rembridge and Monmouth , sinsimblull= ai rum, town councillors, di soli citors, a gentlemen, e n aai to the cumber of 391, 25 of these being mended manse; Mr. LASLBTT, from the town of Stourbebles. Aped by sur geons, solicitors, gentlemen, manufacturers, henimon sad others, to the number of 233 ; in favour of. BEPRIMENTATION OP TEI LONDON UN/VRIMITT.—Mr. J. H. PHILLIPS, from mayor and inhabitants of Haver fordwest, in favour of forming the Univenity of London into a parliamentary constituenc_y. OPENING OP TEI CRYSTAL PALACE ON 811NDAYS.-•-By Mr. BUTLER, from the clergy and inhabitants of South Hackney, against. Also numerously signed by the working men of that parish to the same effect. GOVIIINMIXT EDUCATION BILL.—By Mr. COBDEN, from the independent congregation at Doncaster ; Mr. CROSSLEY, from the congregational board of ministers in and about the cities of London and Westminster ; against. Tan BALLOT .— By Mr. KENNEDY, from the county of Louth, in favour of. TENANTS' COMPENSATION BILL.—Mr. KENNEDY, from inhabitants of the parish of Tennonfieken, county of Loath ; in favour of Mr. Sedum Shee's Tenants' Compen sation Bill. — i'ooifearze.—By Admiral WALCOTT, from the guar dians of the Chrio-`-nh (Hants) Union, complaining that _ . relief -- tho rates id present raised for the -wind of the rior ire manifestly unjust, and that all kinds of property should be made to contribute to the common burthen. UNITIRILTT (SCOTLAND) BILL.—By Sir G. MONT GOMERY, from the presbytery of Peebles, against. PAULLANINTART PAPSIIS.—By Mr. ATHERTON, from Durham Mechanics' Institute for. Hscaszr Cannisons BILL.—By Lord D. STUART, from J. Willing, an omnibus advertisement contractor, against the clause in the Hackney Carriages Bill prohibit ing the ezhiliition of advertising bills inside or outside entnibume. PILOTAOE BILL.—By Mr. T. MITCHELL, from owners and agents of steamboats and sailing vessels, to the amount of 300,000 tons register, against certain provisions of. ELECTION COMMITTEES. ---- - ---- -- --- - - --- The members cheers on the Plymouth, Cork, and Ennis election committees, appeared at the table, and were swore. The committees are appoiated to sit this day. LANCASTER ELECTION PETITION. The SPEAKER. informed the house that the summer had reported that the recogaisinees to the petition of John Armstrong against the late return for this borough were un objectionable. _ THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 7, Ma mesas of any bribe, or in any other way, contrary to the orders of the house. As the matter stood at present, it Should be dilleult to ma} whether a breach of ths.frieilegee of the house had been committed or not (Hess, hear.) Mr. MITCHELL gave notice to molts, on Monday meat, for a committee of inquiry into the facts stated. DUTY ON CLOVER AND OTHER SEEDS. • Sir J. SHELLEY-said he wished to mak a question of the Chintellor of The Exchequer, which was of great interest to agric.,lturiste,; himself smogs the number—(laughter)— whether farmers might hope that the duties on clover and other seeds would be shortly remitted, so as to carry out the principles of free trade? (Hear, hear.) Mr. WILSON was quite willing to admit that the hon. member had • right to make this appeal on the principles of free trade. (Hear, hear.) They had had several reps.. sentatioos on the subject, urging that the duty ought to be taken off; the matter was under the consideration of the government, and be alight to state distinctly, that the only meth why they hesitated at all was on account of the amount which the duty at present yielded, and not as to whether it ought to be taken off or aot. (Hear, hear.) CROWN RIGHTS IN RUABON. Mr. WHALLEY asked if any further steps had been taken in the proposed sale of crown rights in Ituabon sines the return of papers ordered by the house. Mr. WILSON said the question wu one between Sir Watkin Wynne, the lord of the manor, and the other in habitants of Ruaboa. The Treasury had given their eon sent to an arrangement some time ago, but nothing had been done sine*. WHITSUNTIDE HOLIDAYS. In answer to Sir J. Titot.Lopz, Lord J. RUSSELL said that on Friday next it was his intention to move that the house at its rising should ad journ till the Thursday following. ENNIS ELECTION COMMITTEE. - - The SPEAKER acquainted the house that he had re (wised notice from the egent of the petitioner against the return of Mr. Fitzgerald for Ennis, that it wu not in tended to proceed with the petition. (Cheers.) Sir J. TROLLOPE thereupon moved that the committee just sworn to try the petition should be discharged. Agreed to. HARWICH ELECTION. Mr. HEADLIJiI reported, from the Harwich Election Committee, that they had come to the conclusion that Mr. 'Peacock. was not duly elected ; but that Mr. Wadding ton was duly elected ; and that the election was • void election, so far as regarded the return of Mr. Pea cock.. Also, that Mr. Peacocks had entered into an en gagement with John Attwood, Bail., through his solicitor, in accordance with the terms of which Mr. Peacocks was to pay • certain sum of money in the event of his return, and that Mr. Attwood was to endeavour to procure the return of Mr. Peseocke. (Hear, hear.) That George Jay was bribed by the payment of a sum of 871. 109., which had been paid to procure his release from prison ; and that Adam Price was employed in obtaining the release of Jay ; that both these parties had abscoaded to avoid appearing before the committee; but that it was not proved that any act of bribery was done by Mr. Peacocke or his agents. COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY INTO CORRUPT _ PRACTICES. In answer to Mr: O. STANLlT—whether the govern ment would allow motions for commissions of inquiry to take precedence on government nights of other motions, Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that he could not make any positive arraogement; it was desirable that motions of this kind ahoald be Axed for some day on which they could certainly come on. ANNUITIES FOR LIVES AND TEEMS. Mr. J. B. SMITH asked whether the government bad suspended the granting of annuities ter lives and for terms of years ; and Hut, whether the suspension would be perms neat or temporary only. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the government had not suspended the granting of annuities either for lives or terms. As regarded the latter, very few had been purchased by the public of late years. As to those for lives, the question might have arisen out of the fact that, for a certain period before and after quarter-day, every quarter, the granting of those annuities was sus pended. It was only in the regular course of things that this suspension had recently taken place ; and it had also been resumed in the regular course of things. Since the 3rd of May, no less than 69 annuities for lives had been sold. INCOME TAX ON FARMERS. co. surlithitl 3 asi;tiiftAep;;;;;;Fripeal against the income tax assessment, at present enjoyed by farmers, would be continued. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there was no intention to withdraw that right of appeal. (Hear.) CHATHAM ELECTION. Lord J. RusiiiE;ilatil7tgrnienaed to propose the adjournment of the Wining of this writ. He should also propose to bring in a bill:wluch should disqualify persons in public employment in dockyards from voting in elections for members of parliament. (Cheers.) THE CHARGE OF CORRUPTION.—MR. DUFFY'S EXPLANATION. any rule of the bouse,ft was entirely' outside of my intention ,to do so. I of course regret having, Is 40, manner,effencicd against the rules fur the proper conduct j f business here ; and if r have done so, as it seems to me, on tho authority of the right hon. member.for Buckinghamshire, a very expe rienced member—still, if in the opinion of the house I have done ste, I regret that I should have fallen into that error. (Hear, hear.) After a pause,—no one rising, Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said—The hon. member far New Ross has charged me with interrupting him in such a mapper an to present him from offering his explanation at the time, which he is now ready to offer. Now I mast say, • with respect to that— Mr. DUFFY.—If the noble lord will pardon me—l did not say that be had interrupted me ; but I said that after such an imputation, as that I had made a statement not one word of which I could prove, I of course could not withdraw it—(cheers)—that, after an imputation of this kind, made by a Minister of the crown, I could not think of ending the matter by simply withdrawing the words against which that charge was made. (Cheers.) Lord J. RUSSELL.—WeII, I was about to state that the hon. gentleman having alleged in this house that cor ruption had been practised upon Irish members in this house by the present government that exceeded the corrup tion of the time of Walpole and the Pelham', and that the debate having gone on for some time without any explana tion of the words used, with respect to what had been done by the government—if I took any part in that debate, I think I could do no otherwise, believing that there was no truth in those imputations, than to deny them on the part of the government. • (Hear, hear.) The imputation came not from a member of the govern ment but from the hon. member ; and he having made a g I statement, I made &general denial. I think I could hardly do otherwise without, by implication at least, con fessing that there was some foundation fur the charge of the hon. gentleman. I certainly understood the charge made yesterday evening to be very different from that which he has now stated. To prevent any misunderstanding, let me say, I do not at all mean to deny that the hon. gen tlemen did not mean yesterday evening exactly what he hesitated to-day. (Hear, hear.) AU I can say is, that what was conveyed to my mind was that the corruption practised in the time of Sir Robert Walpole—which every body who has read the history of those times knows to have been a corruption of this kind, that when there was a ques tion likely to be closely pressed in this house, either by a gift of office—(hear, hear,)—or by a gift :of money—(hear, hear,)—a majority was obtained in favour of the government. Well, it now appears that the charge of the hon. gentleman is a charge of a very different de scription. (" No, no," from the Opposition.) Does the hon. gentlemen mean to say that money has been given to Irish members ? (A voice from the Opposition—" No.") Well then, it is of a very different description from that which took place in the time of Sir Robert Walpole. (Cheers.) What I understand the bon. gentleman now to say iv, that there at* members of the- government who, having given certain pledges, having expressed certain opinions before the great body of the people of Ireland, have accepted office, and have thereby forfeited those pledges and gone counter to those opinions. (Hear, hear.) I don't think I am misrepresenting thei hon. gentleman when I say that that is his present charge. Now, Ido not know whether there is any cue of corruption in the time of Sir Robert Walpole that at all answers to that description; because there was not at that time questions in dispute upon which declarations were made of a similar nature to those which are dismissed in the present doy. (" Oh, oh," from the Opposition.) What the hon. gentleman now states is, that hon. members, flying from their pledges, and not acting in accordance with the opinions which they have declared,;have either accepted office or ranged themselves en the side of the government,and that that is corruption equal to,if not greater than,that which was practised in the time of Sir Robert Walpole. I own it does not appear to me that this kind of imputation is at all of the same character as that which was made last evening. (Ministerial cheers.) I doubt very much whether it is of such a nature that it can be called disorderly. It seems to be matter for argument in the house or in committee. (Hear, hear.) Those who either after having accepted office, or without accepting office, have supported the present government, have, I think, ample means of defending themselves. (Cheers.) My belief is, that instead of having acted from any cor rupt motives, they have acted in a wa that is highly hon ourable to them. (Ministerial cheers. That, I say again, is matter of opinion —( laughter ) — an d matter for discus sion. lam not in the least afraid, and Ido not think they have any reason to be afraid, of any amount or length of discussion that may take place on that subject. But what has been stated—as perhaps the honourable gentle ' man may have heard or read, if he has not made the charge himself—is, that members for Ire land, from corrupt motives, have taken op the cause of the government, have acted with the government, and have even received sums of money for so doing. (Hear t hear.) That gross charge appears to be now abandoned. I think it is always Netter not to carry these proceedings further than may be necessary; and I see nothing as the statement of the hon. gentleman now stands which should induce the house to carry the matter any further. (Cheers.) Those hon. members who justly felt themselves offended last night will, I think, do well to leave the matter where it is ; and I feel quite sure that they are not only in ability, but also in honour and integrity, equal to any competitor. (Minis. terial cheers.) Mr. J. BALL said as an hon. member who took an active part in the discussion last night--- The SPEAKER said there was no question before the house. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that the house should pus to the orders of the day. On the question being put, Mr. J. BALL said he was about to observe that the posi tion in which the matter now stood was this. The hon. member, alluding in the course of his speech, on the pre vious evening, to the division of last Monday, asserted that the majority had been obtained by the grossest corruption : he now said that his observations applied to some transac tions which occurred four months ago. Mr. DUFFY begged the hon. member's pardon. • did not connect his statement with the vote of last Monday. Mr. J. BALL had only to say that, with the statement which the boa. member had made now, be should be the lest man to express anything like disagreement. (Hear, hear.) He assured the hon. member that he entertained not the slightest feeling of hostility towards him ; and if it were distinctly understood that his allegation referred to transactions which took plus four months ago, and net to the division of last Monday, he should not feel called upon to continue the discussion. (Cheers.) WAYS AND MEANS.—THE INCOME TAX. - - ...---- ways--. The house they went into a committee of and means. The CHAIRMAN wee putting the resolution with re gard to the income tax, when Mr. F. FRENCH said the debate ought to be resumed when it had been interrupted on the previous evening. The CHAIRMAN not concurring in this view, Mr. FRENCH begged to remind the committee that when the debate wee suddenly interrupted on the previous night, the bon. member for New Ross (Mr. Duffy) was in peueesion of the house, end contended that he ought to be allowed to proceed with his speech. Alter the usual formality with regard to strangers being seen in the gallery, strangers were ordered to withdraw, in order that the point raised might be discussed with cloud doors. The committee then divided : For the amendment Against 2BB-225 On our re-admission to the gallery, Mr. MOORE wee addressing the committee on the point of order u to whether the chairman was not bound, accord ing to the rules of the house, to call upon the hon. member for New Ron to resume the debate. Mr. LABOUCHERE thought that the point of order should be discussed with the Speaker in the chair. He should suggest, therefore, that the chairman should report progress, for the purpose only of ascertaining from the Speaker the rule of the house on the point of older. (Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL agreed with his right hon. friend, end thought that the point raised should be discussed with the Brisker in the chair. Of course, after his opinion bad bees cliched the house would not object to resume the 001111Millise as ways and means. (Hear.) The Sinakan then resumed the chair, and lir. Emmaus ri tl e ntlit is fil3LL, addressing the Speaker, said that a point of order had been raised in committee on which it was diewskt desirable te obtain the Speaker's opinion, and as the he., samalier he Mayo was the member who raised the point he bed_porhaps better state the cue to the Speaker. Mr. MOORE laving stated what took place in committee yesterday, and the interruption of the debate in conse quence of the expressions used by the hon. member for New Ras, said it was his opinion that when the house bad gone into committee that evening on the subject of the income tax, the chairman, according to the rules of the house, ought to have called on the hon. member for New Ross, who was in possession of the committee when the interruption was made, to resume the discussion. Instead of doing so, however, Mr. Booverie put the question, but it was in the midst of considerable contusion, and a great many members did cot know what question was put. (Hear, hear.) That, however, was irrelevant to the point raised by him—that point being that Mr. Bouverle should have called on the hon. member for New Ross to resume the discussion, he being in possession of the committee. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BOUVERIE said he might have made a mistake, but he was only anxious to preserve the rules of the com mittee. (Hear, hear.) There was a great crowd nad con fusion in the house when the Speaker left the chair. He did not retollect that he cried ' order," but he read the previous part of the resolution, and then put the amend ment raised by the hon. member for Clonmel. He looked on both sides of the committee to know if any hon. mem ber rose to speak to the question. But no member rose. He hesitated for some time before he put the question, and then the right hon. gentleman (Sir J. Pakington) rose and asked what the question was. Having stated what the question was, he rather lingered, expecting that some one would rise, but no one having dons so, he did net feel that it was his duty to call on any hon. member to rise from his seat. (Hear, hear.) He then put the question. Sir J. PAKINGTON said that another question of prac tice had arisen from what just occurred. He was sure the noble lord and the government would admit that it was much to be regretted that a question so deeply affecting the Irish people -hould be decided by something like a surprise. (Hear, hear.) Ile thought that no censure could fall on Mr. ouverie, who, he was sure, was ouly anxious to do his duty in the chair ; but he would submit to him and to th e house that it would be desirable to observe the practice away' followed by the Speaker—never to put a question till silence and order had been obtained, so that every hon. member might clearly understand what the question was. (Hear, hear.) Mr. IRLNCII said he had 'aeon in the house 0.0 wh le time, soil be did not understand one-third 9f what Mr. Bouverie now stated bad taken place. (Hear, hear.) Re I told the hon. member for New Russ that Mr. Bo:trade Would call upon him to renew the discussion, and he war quits unaware that the question had been put till he heard the " ayes " and " neee." (Hey, hear.) Several hon. mdmbers rose to address the horse, but there being loud cries of Chair, chair," The SPEAKER said he understood the question put to him was whether the chairman of committees was bound by the rules of the house to call by name on the hon. member for New Roes to resume the debate, he not having risen from his seat to address the committee. Now, unleu the • hon. member rose in his place to address the committee, the chairman was at liberty to put the question. In com mittee, it was very . difficult to say who was in possession of the chair, because in committee a member had the privilege of speaking more than once. In the house it was different. Ifs member moved the adjournment of a debate in a formal manner, he was said to he in possession of the house; but it was net on that account that the Speaker called on him to address the house, because if he did not rise to address the house he was not called upon at all. And it often happened that the debate was not resumed by the hon. member who moved the adjournment. The Speaker did not call on the member merely because he moved the adjournment, and did not call upon him at all unless he roes in his place when the question was put. If the member rose in his place, he was of course entided to precedence. It therefore depended on the member himself whether he wished to retain his privilege or not. (Hear.) Mr. MAHAN said that, whether the question was put or not made no difference to him. Ile knew the question when it was put well enough, but be left the house because be believed the motion of tae hon. member for Clonmel was not worthy of notice. (Loud laughter, cries of " Hear, hear," an d" Chair.") The SPEAKER reminded the hon. member that there was no mules before the house. Mr. V ANCE moved the adjournment of the debate. (Cries of " Oh, oh.") He wished to state his opinions to the committee on the subject of the income tax, which was of so much more importance to his constituents than to any others in Ireland, and he knew that there were 20 other Irish members who were likewise anxious to address the house. (Laughter.) But he bad no idea that the question had been put. (Hear.) He wished to say this much in justice to himself, and to set himself right with his consti tuents. (Hear, hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP said he never was afraid to express his opinions. (Hear.) But there was so much noise and confusion in the committee when the question was put, that it was impossible for many members to know what was going on. (Hear.) Ho was oppose 4 to an income tax in any shape. He could not therefore vote for the govern ment, nor for extending the tax to Ireland; but such had been the conduct of the Irish representatives on this occa sion, that be thought they ought to be called on to pay treble the tax that others paid. (Loud laughter, and cries of " Hear, hear.") Sir J. Y. BULLER reminded the house that the house resumed only fur the purpose of getting the opinion of the Speaker on the point of order. (Hear, hear.) That having been done, he thought the committee should now be re sumed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MALIAN said he was going to explain that he did not vote oa the question because he did not think the motion was worthy of notice. (Laughter, and cries of "Chair.") Mr. LAWLESS rose to order. He did not think the hon. member was in order in imputing motives to boo. members who had proposed motions. The SPEAKER—The bon. gentleman cannot raise a question in the house which passed in committee ; because till the committee made a report the house could not know what had passed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MALIAN was quite willing— The SPEAXEa here left the chair, and the hon. member for Westmeath resumed his seat amidst loud laughter. The house then went into committee, Mr. BOUVERIE in the chair, and proceeded to read the income tax resolution, on which Mr. MAGIAN rose and said that he wished to avoid say ing what he thought—(much laughter)—but the Irish members were badly treated with respect to this sub bect of the income tax. (Hear, hear.) The Irish mem rs held a meeting up stairs, at which certain matters of importance were discussed, and they were informed that if the government, who were expected to succeed to office, were in power they would not impose an income tax on Ireland. (" Hear, hear," andcries of " Name,lname.") That be thought was a matter which affected somebody—whe ther it was the character of the Irish member, who made the announcement or the character of the government it was not for him to say. (Hear.) He would leave that matter in the hands of the house, and the house would decide whether such conduct was honourable or not. (Hear.) The hon. member for Clonmel interrupted him when he was about to make that statement. He certainly made every allowance for the position in which that hon. member now stood. (Laughter.) If that hon. member really wished to accomplish what he pretended by his motion last night, and which he did not much simplify by the incoherent wanderings of a guilty conscience, which had violated its pledges—(loud laughter). Mr. LAWLESS, much excited, rose to order. He ap pealed to the chairman to know in what way he trespassed on the rules of the house or the rules which befitted an assembly of gentlemen when he moved that Ireland be exempted from the income tax. In making that motion he pledged his honour he had no other motive. (Loud cries of Order, order." " Chair,chair, " which continued for a long time, M r. Megan and Mr. chair, " being left on their legs and endeavouring to address the committee.) At length Mr. WALPOLE role and said it was necessary for the due regulation of discussion, whether the Speaker or Mr. Bouvene sat in the chair, that the decision of the chairman should be implicitly obeyed. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member for Clonmel had now twice interrupted the hon. member for Westmeath, and it was quite Irregular for one hon. member to interrupt another whilst speaking, unless he rose to a point of order. (Hear, hear.) The hon. mem ber for Clonmel rose to a point of order, but, instead of speaking to the point of order, he was proceeding to state other matters. (Hear.) Mr. LAWLESS—I object to the words " guilty con science." I—(loud cries of " Order, order, " Chair, I chair"). Mr. BOUVERIE called on Mr. Megan to proceed, but Mr. Lawless refused to give way, and moved that the words of the hon. member for Westmeath be taken down. (Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL said he agreed with the right hon. gentleman opposite that it was absolutely necessary that the house should maintain silence ; and in the next place, that hon. members should be governed by the decision of the chairman. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME said that the hon. member near him (Mr. Lawless) made a motion which, although he (Mr. Hume) heard, he believed the chairman could not hear in conse quence of the noise. The hon. gentleman complained of the words "guilty conscience," and moved that those words be taken down. (Laughter, and "oh, oh.") He appre hended that by the rule of the homer he was entitled to have the words taken down, if he thought they cast any reflec tion upon him. (Hear.) The CHAIRMAN said he did not hear the hon. gentle men making any motion, and to the best of his judgment he believed that the hon. member for Clonmel had tra velled out of the point of order. (Hear, hear.) He did net hear the hon. member for Westmeath make use of the words complained of. If he used the disorderly words he should, of course, call hiss to order. But with regard to taking down words, he begged to inform tke committee that a mistake had been made on the previous night with regard to this matter; for he had since been informed that it was for the house, with the Speaker in the chair, and not for the committee, to decide whether the words should be taken down or not. (Cheers.) Mr. MAGAN said that the hon. member for New Ross, whose words had been ordered to be taken down, had come out of that ordeal with such flying colours that he was ra ther ambitious to have his words taken down. (Loud laughter.) But he would not be so obstinate as that hon. gentleman, for if he said anything offensive, he was most desirous of withdrawing it. (Hear, hear.) At the same time he must say the hon. member for Clonmel did not seem disposed to allow him the necessary liberty to state naked facts. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) He was going to state the way in which the government had behaved with respect to the imposition of the in come tax in Ireland. (Laughter.) He was about to state that persons who were considered to be accredited both by the wh:gs and Peelites did by creating confusion and mak ing statements such as he had referred to, dine:fly pro cure the defeat of Lord Derby and his government. (Loud opposition cheers.) The same parties now accused them (the Irish members) of wanting to require from any go vernment the same thing that they required of the present government, and of wishing to bring back Lord Derby to powor. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Megan) wished to state plainly that he did want to brine back Lord Derby, but he only wanted to bring him back for the purpose of putting him out again. (Loud laughter.) Now, with regard to those gentlemen on the opposite side who talked of being conscientious and independent, he must say that they were not independent, and that their consciences were kept in the boroughs they represented. They were not allowed to bring their consciences there, and were left no discretion in the matter whatever. (" Hear," and laughter.) If ho might make use of a vulgar expression in reference to them, he would say that they were like a pennyworth of butter wrapped up in Mr. Sharman Crawford's bill. (Laughter.) He believed he was the only member who professed inde pendent politics in that house. (Loud laughter.) He claimed to be independent, and it was perfectly well known why he said so. (Laughter.) Those gentlemen opposite who voted with the government had violated the pledges they made to their constituents. (Ob, oh.) He said that in the most polite manner possible. (Much laughter.) There were two classes of Irish representatives. Some few of them, who voted with the government, such as the hon. member for Kerry (Mr. Herbert) and his colleague, voted he had no doubt, conscientiously. But there was another class who had no discretion left them. He rose on the part of those Irish members who bad kept their pledges, for the purpose of saying that it would be extremely convenient if in future no emissaries of the government were found at the meetings of Irish members. (Loud laughter.) Colonel OREVILLE said that be was surprised that hon. gentlemen opposite, who appeared to be so thin-skinned when imputations were cast upon them, should themselves cast reflections on others, and tell those on his side of the house that thee could not be impartial on this subject. (Hear, hear.) Ile was surprised that the hon. member fee Carlow (Mr. ball) should have mete the allusions and cast the imputations he did, after te,e statements made by the promises.hon. membe The and same kind, but his vote •••.as rumours not influenced by those '' fo IliVeeseitgmheta.t ~ He heard rumours of the hon, gentleman the President of dthe Board of Cont el, however, appeared to be somewhat influenced by them, because ho said that ho would I not consent to Pupas° an income tax 'n Ireland, gb he al new to vote for that proposition, ca t a h lt e ho g u round wan trei ty ro was to have remitted to her a amma i tt ,seol (be House of Lord s d ec id ed 4,000,000/. of consolida;,d mollifies, or au annual c h arge of 245,0001. Now, that Ireland was not bound equity to pay half of that charge. Yet Ireland was to have ad income tax to the eg. tent of 460,0001., and an increase the spirit duties— (hear)—the result of which would be that for 131,0001. re . mined, we should have to pay 500,0001. additionai taxation. He was glad to ate Irish members opposite (on the govern. meat side) holding themselves independent of the govern. meat, and withholding their support from • measure for imposing the income tux on Ireland. There were ques. tions of vital importance to the interests of that country still unsettled, sad while they remained so it was necessary that the Irish party should continue independent of the one side or the other, and avoid merging its strength into that of either. (hear, hear.) Mr. E. BALL had understood the hon. gentleman the member for Westmeath (Mr. Mogan) to say that a certain member of that house, who was an accredited agent of the whig and Peel party, had intimated to the Irish members that, if they would assist in turning out Lord D er by' s mi nistry, Ireland should not be made liable to the property tax. (Hear, hear.) Ile (Mr. Bal.) did not know much of the usages of that house, but he wits quite sure the public out of doors would consider that, if that was true, a viola tion of all good faith and good feeling bad been committed, and that it ought not to pass without explanation. (Hear, hear.) He did not know who the accredited agent alluded towas—whetker it was the Secretary of the Treutiry or not ; but, if so, he hoped such an explanation would be given as should wipe away the imputation of discreditable conduct. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCH hail char,7ed his right hon. friend (Sir C. Wood) with not carrying out the promise inn rred from the declaration he made to the Irish members in that house in reference to the extension of the income tax to Ireland, and his right hon. friend had endeavoured to answer that charge by explaining that the question now stood on a dif ferent footing, in consequence of the imposition of the tax being accompanied by the remission of the consolidated annuities; and that inasmuch as that remission would relieve the land from a charge to which it was now liable, he did not consider himself bound by the declaration. The house would recollect that the statement of the right hon, gentleman against extending the income tax to Ireland was made is reference to the proposal fur that purpose brought forward last year by the right hon. member for Bucks, which did not in any way affect the land ; consequently, the right hon. gentleman's explanation was in no way ap plicable. The right hon. gentleman, it would be remem bered, called on Irish members to beware how they per. mitted the small end of the wedge to be inserted, and ad. vised them not to allow the income tax to he extended to Ireland in any shape ; and now that a proposal for imposing that tax to a fir greater extent was brought forward, ha turned round upon the Irish members, and abandoning altogether his declaration against this tax in any shape as applicable to Ireland, he supported it, giving a; his only explanation that some relief was to be given to the land. (Hear, bear ) Lord J. RUSSELL remarked that it would be better if the hon. gentleman had a charge to make against his right hon. friend—that he could not.honestly and honourably vote for the government prououl of the income tax, which.he had declared his intention to vote for—if the hon. gentle man bad such a charge to make it would be better that he should make it when his right hon. friend was in the house, that he might have the opportunity of meeting it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. FRENCII did not know when he spoke that the right hon. gentleman the member for Halifax was not in the house. Did the noble lord mean to impute to him (Mr. French) that he had made a charge against the right hon, gentleman in his absence which be would not have made in his presence ? (" Hear," and " Oh.") If not, what (lid he mean ? He could assure the noble lord that he was not the person to shrink from bringing forward charges ag ainst any minister, and in the presence of that minister, when he thought them well founded. . _ Sid R. INGLIS was ready to give to Irish members the largest latitude of time and of eloquence, but, on the part of English members, he must appeal to them now to allow them to proceed with the business of the country. (Hear, hear.) He wished to call attention to a bUIV et which he had brought under the notice of the house on every occasion of the renewal of the income tax since 1842, viz., the injustice in point of principle, while they made ail incomes under a certain amount exempt, to charge the tax upon the who:a of the incosue where it exceeded the limit fixed. (Hear, hear.) That was if they fixed the limit at which the tax should begin at 1001. a year or 150/. a year, it should apply only to the incomes beyond that amount and not to the whole sum. The extension of the tax to incomes of 1001. would extend the injustice of which he complained to a class of persona who perhaps were least able to bear it. This principle of levying the tax pressed very severely on clergymen of small incomes, halt-pay officers, and otners, who were compelled to maintain the position of gentlemen on slender means. 41. 7s. 6d. a year was a small sum to members of that house, but it was a serious amount to persona whose incomes were only 1501, a year. What he contended was, that whatever the limit was, whether 100/. or 150!., at which the income should become liable to the tax—the tax should be charged only upon the amount by which that limit was exceeded. Two objections only had he ever beard urged against this plan— vie., the difficulty of remodelling the arrangements; and the loss to the revenue. With regard to the first, he believed, if his right hon. friend would direct one of the functionaries in his office to turn his attention to the subject, the difficulty might be met in a fortnight; and as to the second—the question was not so much what the revenue would lose, as whether they did not, by the system they adopted, inflict a positive hardship and injustice. He would not propose any formal resolution, but would reserve to himself the right of doing so at a future time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to reply ; but The CHAIRMAN said there was no question before the committee. He had not stopped the hon. baronet, because he did not know but that he was about to conclude with en amendment. The observations of the hon. baronet did sot, however, refer to that part of the resolutions wheels be (the chairman) had read, and he must be permitted to read on until he came to some part to which any hon. gentleman desired to propose amendment. The first part of the resolution was then read, viz.," That It is the opinion of this committee, that, tow:!rds raising the supply granted to her Majesty, there shall be raised *R ansil, during the terms hereinafter limited the several rates and duties following (that is to say), for and in re spect of the property in any lands, tenements, or hercilits aunts, in the United Kingdom, and for and in respect of every annuity, pension, or stipend." Mr. FITZGERALD had an amendment to interpose at this point, the object of which was to exempt incomes in behusd arising from trades and professions from this tax. He sencurred in the principle, if the tax was to be made Immanent in this country, of extending it to Ireland. And the feeling in Ireland was not so much against the eaten don of the income tax to that country as against its applica tion to trades and professions. lie explained the grounds upon which he had voted on the original motion. If there had been either a new government or a dissolution, what would have been the result ? If Lord Derby had returned to power, would he have been able to exempt Ireland from the income tax ? It had been stated—although he (Mr. Fitzgerald) did not believe it—that a compact had been entered into between certain of the Irish party and a member of the supposed incoming government, ..the terms of which were that the income tax should not be extended to Ireland. He did not believe that to be the fact. But if such a pledge had been given by any statesman, he would aot have been able to redeem it ; and certainly the right hon. gentleman, the member for Buckinghamshire, would not have done so, for he bad recorded his deliberate reasons for the intension of the income tax to Ireland on the occa sion of Sir B. Hall's motion ; and the same opinion had been expressed by the hon. member for North War wickshire, and other members on the opposite side of the house, and who had voted in accordance with those opinions—and that, too, in 1848 and 1849, when' there was greater distress in Ireland than now, and when no equiva lent was offered like the remission of the Consolidated An nuities. Supposing, then, that the amendment of the hon. member for Hertfordshire had been successful, and a disso lution had followed, the cry at every hustings in England would have been that the income tax should be extended to Ireland, because in this country it was believed that this was a free trade budget. He (Mr. Fitzgerald) believed it was a free trade budget, and because it was so he sup ported it. The amendment he proposed was a real one, and one which he should press to a division, on the ground that the expense of the collection of the income tax, as regarded trades and professions, would be so great as to render it un productive. Sir J. PAKINGTON said he rose merely to say a few words with reference to what had fallen from the hon. and learned gentleman, on the subject of a compact or under standing which had been come to between the friends with whom he acted and a certain portion of the representatives of Ireland. So long as the rumours of such a compact were confined to the pages of a hostile press he should no; have taken notice of it ; but the hon. and learned gentleman had mentioned it in his place in parliament, and he (Sir J. Pakington) wished distinctly to state that the ex istence of any compact, or treaty, or negotiation, or understanding with the representatives of Ire land, in order to secure their co-operation in the late debate, was unknown to him. (Hear, hear.) No such arrange ment had been made with his concurrence, and he entirely disbelieved she rumour on the subject. At the same time he would say that he should not be deterred by any such rumour from doing what he conceived to be his duty to wards Ireland; and it was the duty of the representatives of English as well as Irish constituencies to take such a come as they considered their duty to Ireland required. Be, fur one, was of opinion that the budget bore hardly on Ireland—(hear, hear)—and if the debate of that evening had not been prematurely cut short, he should have been prepared to state at length his opinions in that respect. As it was, he would merely state that he believed the rumour to_which allusion had been made was un founded (Hear, hei.) Mr. WHITES : IDE said that the bon, and learned gen tleman opposite (Mr. Fitzgerald) hail stated that Irish members on that (the opposition) elite of the house had voted for the amendment of the hon. member for Hertford shire under a delusion. That might be, but they bad voted sincerely and conscientiously. Forty-two gentlemen from Ireland joined in a vote for what they believed to ba a right and just amendment; and that was the ony chance which Ireland had of escai.iug the income tar, which had been described by some gentlem en en the ministerial benches as an unjust and inguittorial tas. The hon. an, learned gentleman who had s r . eken with so much sincere and who appeared to expect to carry his amendment, then with the hor„ memb'a for Clonmel, and other s on d e _ Men aetilli!ell. 11,111111gUi , :ed judgment, had taken the ? shortest and most ;. etcCeeiVo oourre defeat the interests of r cowl. bad pi _ Mr. this i Was t bad Mr, prods rrasor that t 2,000, it. 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