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ei reiled the country for myna' nass la river. He would take the states of Europe one by oag;_ from Iteeklesburgh ha w ould go to Saxony ; and the. awe may a revolution ou Me matinee% of Europe, r it regarded telegaties. Let ow goverment coalmen* with the mates with them In ; and then, when they h ui =those Amigean stabies, the protestant states, they seder -1/1111 fitly g . the catholie states. (Hear, hear.) • J RUSSELL Iha l' listen e d stemma l ~rd . ye is Tilly yto die able speretm of the hon. gentleman; but I ewe I should have been better pleased with it had he intbageod sons. „b i t more decidedly than he has done whether or sot he approves of punishment fur persons professing a different reign- to that tat the country in which they reside—(hear, sear) —or fur eudearouring by peaceable means to convert others to the religion those persons profess. (Hear, hear., have loSit•td to all Lis statements, and I own that I ant totally at a Wee t.• know whether he approves or not of per .cutems for religious opinions. (Cheers.) I wish to avoid as ouch is p suble (one cannot do it altogether) this ques tion of protestant aad catholic, and to state at once that my c onviction is, that if protestant emus, protestant laws, or prutestaut judges coudeme peewins because they have be come ciethamies, or are teaching others to become Boman catholics, they do tout which' I consider to be warily r..) I care little about the particular pro w.ion of tits mat they may hold. (Hear, hear.) It may be c urtly according to the doctrines . and article. of the Church of England ; but if they, professing those doctrines, endeavour to inculcate them by 'weal means, by napoleon. meat and punieliment, 1 say that with thou persons I eau have no sy. toicity. (Cron) And I Ally the same of those who seek to Inculcate the Roman catholic doctrines by the same means. i llear. hear.) Whet is the cue which my lion. friend, the number for Perth, has brought before The hon. gentleman (Mr. Lucas) stated that there had be, u misrepresentation or esaggeration as to the crime Cro which these two Method were committed ; that it was out, in tact, because they were protestant., but being protes.ants, they had eudeavoured to convert others to pretestaiitism, and that they had done so under foreign ail. The hod part of the charge, though it is stated in that very ,i.neral indictment which was preferred against them, UAW LA IcAILA 114 substantial part of the accusation; because this lure ign aid, whatever it might have done, had left Tuscany, and these persons seemed to have acted ac cordiog to their own conviction in all they did subsequently. fume of the kers are contrulicted by Captain Wailer in the most pueitive terms; but let it be, as stated by the T... n tribunal, that this Francisco and ROY Medial had endeavoured to induce several Roman catholic. to read toe Bible, and even to induce them to believe that certain doe. trues of the Roman catholic cuurch were not authorised by the Bible—putting their crime at the utmost, and assuming that they were taken /twange delicto—namely, each reading Bible—l still amy that it isa moral edam to punish persous fur such things. (Cheers.) As to the steps taken by the go vernment of tops country, my noble friend near me (Lord Palm , retell). in the next place, Lord Malmesbury, when he was Foreign Secretary, and, in the last place, since I en tered that etfice, I have taken the same line; we have all stated to our ministers in Tusuoy that they ought to use all the italueuce they could, in the name of this country, to procure a remission of the sentence of these persons. (Hear, hear.) In the steps we have taken I say we have been fully justified; and we have shown such a desposision to press OM case ea fir as it could be pressed, according to the cir cumstances of toe moment, that I certainly should ask my bon. friend nut to press this motion on the house, bat rather to leave it to the actual government of the time to express thee °potions upon the ease. (liar, hear.) But the hon. gentleman (Mr. Lump), not having given an opinion on the g 1 question, says we are nut justified in eenaidering ourselves friends of religious liberty, because, while we concern ounclves on behalf of protestant., the fact is, that, while oppression and persecu tion are exercised against Roman catholic, we are utterly indifferent and do not interfere. Now that such is our general conduct can hardly be maintained ; for in no part of the United Kingdom or in any of the dominions of bet Majesty, would any person be punished for the offerer of inducing another to become a Roman catholic. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman mum be well aware that, ac cording to the laws of this country, and according to the sentiments which I believe are inherent la every member of this state, we should shrink with abhorrers from • pre yossl to punish persons, because they vreuirsdeavouring to , induce others ti become Roman esthetics. (Hear, hear.) Toe hon. gentleman will not deny that this is the can. Therefore, so far as our conduct as a state is to be sees treated with that of the state of Tuscany, we go with pep fully clean hands to ask them not to emerge penserien in this cue. (Hear, hear.) But he sa,” ttitr Mal friend (Palmei stun) when be was F showed his indifference to religiose certainly have been surprised had that boss the sou I because I know no ear who has Mite frames* gad more powerfully shown his anuses at to religious liberty. (Cheep) And I remember diet is that great struggle, in which I had the ram le bear • part, if only by my vote, which ended is Odatitalai Roman catholic to mats in this huuse sod so the government, one of the meet powerful and eloquent speeches made at the corrodes et that struggle, and in favour of religions liberty, was the speech of my noble friend. (Cheers.) But it seems that when there was a dipole between the cantons of Switzer. land, and one side said that they 'braid have se pease a long as the Jesuits remained ins the ornery, my atibbi friend said that that might easily be, bemire he bad bossed by their history that the Jesuit. were apt to be the an tiurban of states where they resided. (Cheers and hiegh ter.) It may be said my noble friend was indulging a pro testant prejudice ; but that can hardly be ; became Wham thou primes who have declared the same thing as my noble friend with respect to the Jesuits, but in mi streeger terms, have been his Most Catholic Majesty the King of Bpsin, within whose dominions, even at the present day, no protestant, are allowed ' • and in the next peace, the Pope bred,. (Cheers.) These testate' and othi r high Roars catholic authorities have declared that the residence of Jesuits in their dominions was iressietest with the preservation of good order. (Hear, hear.) If my noble (bend has been waled, if he has made • estimate of the order of Jesuits (and many very admire and estimable peruse are to be found in that ender), he has been misled, not by protestant, bat by Ro man catholic authorities. (Hear, hear.) Thee, the hon. =an, rho, it difficult to dinner Examples of into either in the United Kingdom or in the et her Majesty, or in the reciromendations that rv i r . t7 s esi a s made to fonts states—he lights apes an island in the Serb Seas, mod " Here (he gays) is as retain of inter ram, and the Secretary of State setnelly pawed it by with out tang arise of it." (Heir Mr.)) l as sure 'l will set undertake the teak of de Kr. Pritchard, and the laws which be advised Queen Posner onset. Tree laws e ar g i o havea been very severe, but I deer see that vs wen to p (new than we MI with newt to that sabject; for, as my noble fired mid is Ike deeprook whoa has been referred to, it was klipladVa tbs sovereign of this country to take any very intimate osolaill lace give any very efficient protection to that Womb met therefore we deelined to interiors Ist Effie Yes. ride• ran thinks there is any vile In the sommiles s I ttSl readily admit that catholic and peed nohniarehe age sonotuato apt to show bitoleamne tessek rib GSM; sad their dissensions us not at all to the cedes San profeseion. (Hear, hear.) Timer bells gutless= Sods another example in Swedes. iM Itesingel sorter boar on which he said the Essleelesleit Mee Act we. founded. Certainly, I have reed MOM, althea ; my ease did not depend upon those babes awl es es the dh• patch of Mr. Gordon, I do sot know what ft is te wrote the is gent ems refry. The gristles of the ladmisethal Titles Bill was really a question as regarded het. that it was • question of temporal power ;—(bear, ethers maintained agora me that it wee a spiritual ques tion, and ably referred to the exercise of religion. tun cer tainly not inclised to revive that dispute bat that woe really re question, whether we were right in saying that it was a temporal grubs, or those were rilibV who said that it was a 'spiritual gasatios. (Hear, bear.) As to Sweden or say other constr . , with respectto whisk the Ma. gentleman may brie, the gaieties this ruse, if he will show that religious lingerers exists there, I hal quite sun that the Forage Secretary will have no eh *lion to state to the minister of that country tat it deee not consist with the spirit of this age, or with them mars= which most eivili•ed countries have adopted, is permeate se reount of religion. (Croon.) That her Ilfejessy, at the head of this state, the Ant, sae of the most emirs% sae of the most powerful of the perialeat OW, alining*, 'Mould instruct her mirages In emesselegle Moo parrs bey where ;intestates are is net a matter which one would think hht to melt mach surprise. (Hear, bear.) That protestant spirit nail love el liberty has descended to us from the dewed M Vander—tea the revocaties of the MIS et 111aegss-modi Ism otter persecutions to whisk passim* age ouldeoled. (Cheers.) I am not dna et MS et that them who act in that spirit ; and I tool Out iggrogramist ar this country is doing nothing wrong wbea it represts to a Roman catholic sovereign that protesters bre been in setted and persecuted under the adedaistralign of that sovereign. (Hear, hear.) The boa. sadilliall ism " file to sovereigns and slate* of your own peaseesies. and wake your representations to them." But I. it not more natural that we should rather go as behalf of those who are of the same religion as ourselves, and of a different religlent from their sovereign ? (Hear, hear.) As to the case of im pulsion which the hon. gentleman has referred to, the facts were very much doubted. Representations were made to the Pope; and it was natured that he should feel an interest in the Homan catholic nuns said to be persecuted. He showed great interest in that um, and it was natural he should do so—more natural than that we should show any great activity on the subject. And certainly, if protestant. are peneented in the star of the Grand Duke of Tuscany, I think it nare nature I that England should Mintere than that the Pops should interfere. (Hear, hear.) Admitting this to be so, I must assert again that the principle of religions toleration is one and universal, that there ought to be no exception from it, and that persecution on account of religion is odious and detestable. (Cheers.) Bolding these epinious I have taken the course I did with regard to the particular ease of the Medial, and certainly I do think that my hon. friend and the House of Commons may leave the case in the hands of the government. :lasing made remonstration, it may not wits to be continually repenting them. Our opinions arc known, our 'own has been heard, and I do trust that though the Medial and others may suffer, the general citation of the most civilised nations may at length secure religious liberty throughout the world. (Ilear, hear.) Mr. BOW )(kat 'aide had been represented that the Grand Duke and bit g o vernment w ere influenced by the Ho'y ill Itoniouog the Medial. This was quite an erroneous ' , me( the case. The code under which the Medial were I trod 'so the code of the Grand Duke Leopold, who was a Frsairie soureige and a ()Hower of the Emperor Joseph, his sorer upon the rights of the Roman catholic church. Breach was this the ere. that tbourh ecclesiastical courts exited in Englaud, the bishops of Tuscany had no power ' - THE EXPRESS, :FRIDAY EVENING, - FEBRUARY 184 14153 The hest member for Meath wishes us to follow the el ample of other Revernmeuts which profess the same reli gion as ourselves. Let me, in conclusion, recommend the hon. member to follow the ezample of other members here who profess the same religion that be does. (Cheers.) Mr. KINNAIRD, after the &wrestle. , which had been given by the noble lord the Secretary of State fur Foreign ! Affairs, felt bound tr, follow the suggestion that .hat been thrown out, and withdraw the motion. (Hear, heir.) The motion was accordingly withdrawn. COAL DUTIES. Sir J. SHELLEY moved to nominate the following gentlemen as the select committee on coal duties:—Sir J. Shelley, Mr. Mastermen, Sir Benjamin Hall, Mr. Miles, Mr. Lowe, Mr. lier Selmer, Lord Robert Grosvenor, Sir William 'oliate, Mr. Headiam, Mr. Deedes, Mr. Bleckett, Sir James Duke, Mr. Vernon, Mr. Ewart, and Sir Henry Meuz. Mr. ALCOCK wished the nomination of the committee to be postponed for a week, in order that an opportunity might be afforded of ascertaining that all the liaCielitS con cerned in the inquiry, were fully represented. These coal duties operated with peculiar injustice on many of his con stituents in Surrey. Take the cam of Croydon, for in stance; the inhabitants of which were called upon to pay some 3,0001. or 4,0001. a-year to the City of London, fur ob jects Irons which they obtained no benefit After a short conversation, the motion was agreed to. MANCHESTER AND SALFORD EDUCATION. Mr. GIBSON moved "that a select committee be ap pointed, to inquire into the state of education in the muni cipal boroughs of Manchester and Salford, and in the cun tig nous towr.ships of Broughton, Pendleton, anti Pendle bu•y, and whether it is advisable to make any further pro vision, and in what manner, for the education of the in habitants within such boroughs anti townships," which, after the expression of a hope by Mr. Peto, that the advocates of the voluntary system would be fairly represented on the committee, was agreed to. The Designs Act Extension Bill, and the Grand Jury Cm (Ireland) Bill, severally paned through coromittee,und the house adjourned at half-put 11. Yesterday the committees appointed to inquire into the electisns at Lancaster, Canterbury, and Tavistock, assem'iled and proceeded wit their duties. t:,-74reAA. TO coßßwiroxllENTs. k• ° UM= •1 The EMITS..." MIST.. ( 'WOWS. eTTTS%S . T r.blialarl •.11111 Luria. ama Mao; •LAt, u. isL kx I Is—t tit-means laterded 'ar "I)* ”roe," Ur Xvesio; .r'..: tkr Office, to, PA averia-areet, )7 TIN o'•;oti, ale t)e t.Lt pubLioatioak. POOR WATER AT LONDON BRIDOK. tat. D4l—Mend.r. /ft 574 a. Atisesess. 9s. s7m. .uotaqw—ltornlaig, 10a. 17 u. , Afiersice. 101. Sl>. LoArDOII 7 , FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 18. TO•MORT the House of Commons is to be asked to vote the Nacy Estimates for the coming year, amounting altogether to no less a sum than six mil lions two hundred and thirty-five thousand four hundred and ninety-three pounds sterling. This is a sum not to be thoroughly comprehended in its vast ness in a moment; but a sum, nevertheless, that may be given even cheerfully by the nation and its representatives, if they can be sure the huge total will obtain for them th:tt which it is nominally vo'cd to pay fur. This sum of more than six millions is contributed for a floating force to guard the country which yields it. It is raised to make our shorts safe from invasion ; to secure our merchant ships from hostile attack in their distant way over the oceans that belt the earth—to maintain our naval supremacy amongst civilised na tions, and to act, if need be, in concert with our mili tary forces in the event of war. Though a sum nearly equal in amount was voted last year for the Navy, we know only too well that for twelve months pest we have been told we are not safe. We have heard it declared, again and again, by men whose business it is to understand the full power of mili tary arrangements,—and their capacity for sudden application to the purposes of hostile atteck,— that England is not secure from invasion if our strange new neighbour the French Dictator thought fit to try his fortune against us. The very possi bility of this view being sound has for some time past put this country on its mettle. Men have been saying, "We must be made safe. If we are not so, the sooner the question is placed beyond doubt the better. We can afford to pay for national defences, and let us have efficient ones. Let us be sure on so vital a point—since an invasion, like a fire, is a thing to be prevented, not cured." Yet, whilst displaying this thorough readiness to have all done that should be done, and to pay liberally all that should be paid, there hes been a very strong and very proper sense of the need fur seeing that, under a cry of danger a-head, we are not being cajoled into new contributions for new patches on an old system which is innately corrupt and unreliable. Men have been saying again and again, " Why pay for more ships and more men merely that they may be sent away, as the others before them have been, to all parts of the world, instead of being kept where we are told they are wanted—near home. We have for the last eight-and-thirty years been paying for a fine Navy and a large Army about fifteen millions annually. and yet at any one moment when there has been any show of danger, we have been told all our sacrifices have been vain, and that we are comparatively defenceless. From time to time there has grown out of these asser tions many explanations of various kinds from different people, showing how our Navy is mud dled and wasted away how promotion goes rather to influence than merit—how the prizes fall to the aristocratic rather than the metitorions—how our Navy List, like our Army List, is encumbered by aged men, who block up the channels of promotion from those fit for active service—how our ships are jobbed and tinkered in the dockyards before going to sea, and then after a voyage how they return to those establishments only to be chopped about and rudely dismantled in a way that ensures the least amount of efficiency at the greatest amount of cost. Of these charges there has never yet been satisfac tory. disproof. Yet now, when the day for payment again comes round, the cry is " More, more!" Again repeating, that England desires there should be no stint for securing a good Navy, we must repeat also that the public wish to pay for a reality,—not for a sham. They , wish the House of Commons to do its duty by voting a good Navy, but at the same time to do its duty by insisting upon having that Navy when voted and paid for. Last year we were taxed for a Navy no lees a sum than 5,835,6881., and then we were told that our shores were not safe from invasion. To-night a further ad ditional sum of 399,905!. beyond last year's total is proposed to be asked for. But in that item surely cannot reside all the difference between the alleged insecurity of last year and the perfect security of the less to come. No. The real secret of national safety is sot simply in a liberal vote such as has always been given, bat in that vote with the vital addition of Naval Reform. We want efficiency • we want good ships, well found, properly officere d, and in their right places. We need our six millions' worth of naval armament as a reality, and not the largest half of it in the shape of hulks, pensioners, dockyard jobbery, and placemen. On the healthy structure of our noble Navy there grows—as there grows under the water-line of our ships—a mass of parasitic lum ber, which impedes its action whilst it impoverishes its power. It is not the pay of seamen and officers afloat that runs away with the money—nor is it the cost of building the needful number of ships to keep up good fleets—but the waste and the weak ness—for the two go together—is in the dockyards, and in the old Admiralty system of giving places in return for help at elections and in Par liament, instead of for services at sea. Nearly a third of the total sum put down for the Navy Esti mates is spent in the dockyards—how spent we have been too often told. When those great commercial companies, whose steam navies now almost rival 1 those of Britain herself, and surpass those of most foreign powers—when these Corporations want steam ships, they go, like wise men, to the best market for what they need. The builders of the Thames, the Mersey, the Clyde, all compete which shall excel the other in their competition for ships of fine build, thorough seaworthiness, and fair cost. The Companies no more think of setting up as builders at ships on their own account than they think of starting farms, on which to grow corn to make the biscuits to be eaten on board their vessels. With ready money in their pockets they go like wise men to the best market to buy what they need. Not so our Go vernment. They must be boat-builders on their own account. Docks in which to repair damage in case of urgent need, with arsenals well stored for war, are not enough. They must build their own steamers and other ships. But then the dockyards have another use—the dockyard artisans and labourers have votes ! Perhaps no better step mild be taken in reference to our Navy than to sweep from the register of voters all persons who. Towles their pay out of the taxes. The man who lives on the national money is not in many cases p!r• mitted to vote in the election of those who are in blasted with the spending of that money. Post masters, for instance, are not eligible as voters on this proper constitutional principle. Yet what dif. Immo in such case is there between the post master—generally a responsible trader—and a dockyard artisan? If the postmaster is open to the suspicion of governmental influence, the dockyard employees are notoriously subject to fficial pressure. It is matter of notoriety that naval ports become "government boroughs . When the Tories are in place during an election, they "work the dockyard influence;" when the Whigs are in power they, doubtless, do the same. Hence the masters of works in these establishments have a double duty on hand : they have to build and repair ships, and to make and manage votes. They are at once artificers and election agents. When filling vacancies in these national workshops, the question between candidates cannot therefore always be, Which is the best work man ? but often turns upon Which is the safest vote? All who know anything . of elections in such places, or who get at the truth in any one of the dockyards, —or who have read the evidence prepared for an election committee sitting on a dis puted return for a dockyard borough, —will be able to verify this view of a shameful fact. What wonder then that we get bad ships at a high price, or that successive Ministries, when told that danger is at hand, find it easier to ask the House of Commons to add to the cost of our Navy than to make that Navy more efficient by Naval Reform. Whilst Governments want dock yard votes they cannot get good and cheap dockyard ships. And so wo go on from year to year asking for reform—and not getting it. Mean while the taxpayers have only one reliance, and it is on the truthfulness of their repre sentatives to the national interests when these sub jects come under discussion in Parliament. To night we shall see what number of our six hundred and fifty-four M.P.'s will give nnything better than a silent vote on the Navy Estimates. but that which belonged he their sacred office. The Medial were tried not for a religiose, but for a civil of 'race. This wee deer from the act of accusation itself. The reading of the Bible, on which so much stress had been laid, was set forth as an act, bet the act of accusation was stated to be that of impiety, which was an offence against the religion of the state, aentidered as such. It was not an ec ,clesigetical °Renee, but a civil offence, tending to disturb the commonweal. The proceedings were commenced, not at the instance of an 'eels-sip:ideal authority, but at that of the attorney-general; which shows that it was with a public offence this Medial were charged. Though he should be glad to hear of the liberation of these persons, he could not but deprecate the meaner in which the subject had been discussed in this country, both by the press and at public meetings, and the tone in which the Grand Duke of Tuscany had been spoken of. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DRUMMOND said the hon. and learned member wished to persuade them that these people were punished for a civil hot a religious effence, but that was always the plea of persecution. That was the justification for the mas sacre of St. Bartholomew, and it was a common trick with the prince in Spain to intercede for men %hi as inquisitors they were delivering over to the aecul it power. Uutortu uatelv the observation of Machiayslli applied too well, that be had known priests interfering to aggrav its puni•lnents, never to mitigate them. (Hear, hear.) At the same time he feared we had net acted wisely in our mode of remons trating with a forefzn state, for he believed that the Greed Duke felt himself hemmed in by a pressure on both sides, and wee thus left without the privilege of free action. lie (Mr. Drummond) believed that if a private remonstrance had been tried his beoevolence would have relea-ed thew people. The honourable member bed spoken of the gravamen of the offence of the Medial being its foreign instigetion, an assertion which *omitted very strange after the discussion on the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, seeing that the whole of that measure was directed against foreign instigation. A braise prince was then sent to this cuuatry and then corresponded with foreign sove reigns, acting entirely by foreign instigation. With re spect to that prince, he would quete the conduct of an English king of the old popish times. When Edward M. WWI Out on his Scottish wars, a cardinal arrived at Dover, and the queen sent him orders not to stir a step further uutil he had obtained the king's permission. It was a great pity that a similar course has not been taken with some cardinals of more recent date. (Hear, and a laugh.) He did not believe that the catholic laity liked persecution more than protestant', but there was the panic pretre seat toted all over Europe whose wish was to keep the people in a state of political and religious degradation. Of course they withheld. the Testament, because it was principally addressed to the laity, and contained a provision that no priest should be ordained who had not educated his wife and children. That of course did not suit their views. (A laugh.) However, we should first mend our own ways, and relax our persecution towards the Bishop of Exeter and others, who wish to uphold our ewe church, before we in terfered in the concerns of foreign states. Mr. FITZGERALD regretted the punishment of the Medial, bat did not think that the correspondence disclosed the whole case. He, as a Roman catholic, could not object to proselytism, seeing that catholic' bad a society for the propagation of the faith which ramified over the world. Let them not look upon the question in a sectarian or party ' spirit when the great tr o tt::j a iles of civil and religions liberty were at stake. As a catholic—as a member of a religion recently persecuted, and yet not freed from die . abisities—his *trice, and if necessary, his arm, should ever be raised against persecution of every hied. Still he bad heard nothing to induce him I. believe that the Duke of Tuscany was to blame. Lord STANLEY wished to state briefly what he believed was the policy of the late government with regard to the Medial. He did not think it possible that the house could entertain en' doubt or hesitation as to the propriety of England's interfering in such a case. The only question that presented itself was as to the form that that 'steepe r skies should take, and whether or not it should take a formal and official shape. if the government had adopted the former course, and remonstrated in strong terms, and if that remonstrance bad not been attended to, the government would only have had two alterna tives left it. They must either have taken no further notice of the matter, a course not consistent with the honour and dignity of the country ; or they must have withdrawn the minister from Tuscany. Now he did not hesitate to say that such a eircantstance as that would have been mischievaus not merely to the interests of England and of Tusesny, but poseibly to the peace of Europe. It was therefore determined that the remonstrance should be of susolliclal chiracter ; and the noble lord proceeding to quote from the despatches of Lord Malmesbury and Sir Haney Bulwer concluded by asserting that the conduct of the late government had shown no want of energy or sincerity. Sir it. INGLIS repudiated the doctrine laid down by the hon. member for Meath that it was the duty of Eng land to interfere in all Gams where persons were suffering hardship or persecution. His noble friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs had acted more conai.tently with his own high position, and with his duty to the Queen, who held her crown as a protests's', and reigned over a large majo rity of prutestanu, saying that they ought to sympathise with their co-religionist& This was not any excursive benevolence. The people of this country were not bound to go to war or make a hostile demonstration in every ease where persecution was practised; but it was only where the safferers were their fellow-protestants, were they bound to interpose, not with their blood, nor with much of their treasure, but they ought at least to throw the weight of their m oral influence into the genie. (Cheers.) Mr. KENNEDY objected to the motion on the ground that it would place the Queen, the parliament, and the country in a false position. He could imagine the Grand Duke of Tuscany replying _to the =Aim by asking them to rescind the Ecclesiastical Titles Act. Thema PALM2lllll7oN—flir I sin salami that the Mobs ahead set esnis' to a sloe; withdut my making a fter ebainatiewe efts Oka allusions which the be.. mem ber he abaft made to wall in the worse of his speech. The Mu. aesabor hr lie* is desirous that I should stead teeth as the admits of the Greed Duke of Tuscany. That wish was sot immetneel I. km ; for it appeared to me that the Gland Duke of Tuscany, having n• defender but the he.. poslowee, he seeds some coadjutor. (Laughter.) I iiieline the teak. I will defend myself, but not the Grand Duke. (Laughter sad cheers), Now sir, the lion. gen tleman, the member for Moth, u n able to Bey cue II& ward in.deftaes et dui natinet et the Grand Duke of Tummy proem& to impala ft se seediest simile, I. =la that whisk of wilt hind bed se justly me and the him puedowes POWs* to allude to reams tronsamiew in xzed to Switearlond, awl to eveaw shish bed mewed la Mewl et Tahiti. New, with re. With the swiss qweillem o the Ma. gentlemen read only ash pit of the peps es *sited his purpose. (Cheers.) I Oak he owl/ siot bowl read enough to inform him of the name d the weeseedeee to white he alluded, or, if he bod o be otypowed that which wee the key to the whole Iftnelielien. beers.) Now what was that transaction ? =he hem appeared to ropriwint that I bad stood halt ea do peen eter at the Joliette, sad that I had urged the sathells swans te, as he called It, " exterminate ' the Jeasita. What humane by . 4 eatenniaation " he did not ooplia. I suppose he meant that I " expelled " them. e=l.) Mg le l e s:seam a just or true rem it what Wok The facts of the ease were Ibsen • civil war brakes out in Switaerland. MON wee armed spinet maton—protestant against oathelle—see/seity spinet minority. We were invited by the Newish revereineat to mediate between the essOmmlisy parties ; awl we were engaged with the Prima Is asswireekg te settle such terse as might I. ests of paths en end to the disasters of which the Wesel sass* - wealth, lawits. It was their presence in Switzerland—their egaeseefte presence in the protestant carom—which had that war with regard to which our intiliatisatieu INS what; sad it 'truce me that the oily ensued needs eltpoisy an end to that contest was to renew the arm of the omega. (Rear, hear.) It was in that spirit that I jospied Net the Jesuits should be with drawn ; and I dig rhie. maimalmedly, the reasons why their presence in any senotry. 'shells y, or protestant, was likely to rowdies the well posse Oen senetry. 1 maintained that opinion, sad I isn't shriek beet defending it. There fore it was not that I pabeeteeled to recommend their expulsion; but bump soiled ea to mediate, for the purpose of putting an nth to civil war, it appeared to me that the beet Ohm would be to remove the cause, and thus make the effect awe. (Hear, hear.) Now, with regard to Tahiti, that reams Wand to which the lon, member was se take his wild flight before he amid alight on say that metal suit his ease. et* What happened at Tahiti Tahiti wens barbarous, profli gate, heath's moieties ; but the prelelitaat laiseftearies, with a sonesse and seal whisk did blame. to the religion whisk they permed and to the ratite whist pee them birth—the proleelena wiedowlem teeing all the perils which ant welly aressodad mate who planted their feet singly unseen a heeds til essipo—they went, and by perseveranee gad by poll airmeal, by - thole anew* nod their mop% the, _OlNneite& *WO berbermis savages inns what I am net amid la ail a sentry of, comparatively speaking at feast' dallied Cheiedsse. After they had re stored pease sod maw to the Wend the catholic missionaries came. Did they Mbar Hair example J Did they go to islands where danger wen to be encountered, and strive to waren them to Chriatiaaity ? (Cheers.) No, sir. They went to disturb the tranquillity of islands whi ch had pre viously been converted, and, instead of going to a place where they might face danger, and where religions triumph might have been wen, they proceeded to disturb the peace ful people of Tahiti for the purpose of turning them into catholic'. (Cheers.) Instead of turning them into Chris ' duo they endeavoured to upset the social tranquillity of these Wanda. (Hear, hear.) Well, sir, I will admit that the proceedings of the government, stimulated by our missionaries, certainly exceeded the bounds of propriety and justice. But did they put those catholic missionaries into "comfortable" prisons ? (Loud cheers.) Did they treat those tniseionaries as the Grand Duke of Tuscany has treated the Medial and I other persons also who hate professed protestentim? ' (Cheers.) Why, sir, that which they did was to tell those ' missionaries, "We de not want you—we are already Christians, and don't want your instruction; pray go 1 away." But they would not go away, and there was a , law of the Wiled compelling them to go away. They were ; expelleS,—not exterminated. (Cheers.) The Medial would I only be too glad if the Greed Duke would expel them. (Cheers.) If the Grand Duke would only follow the example of these barbarous islands, and expel_ them, they would only be too thankful. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member, a Roman catholic sitting in that house, 1 ' makes come reproaches, he himself being an example how j little they are de'erved. (Hear, hear.) But, sir, I turn with pleasure from the speech of the hon. member for Meath to that of the hon. member for Ennis (Mr. Fits. gerald). His sentiments do honour to the religion lie pro tesses—the religion of Christianity casting aside the differ ences betwonsProteetant and human catholic. (Cheers.) CONVOCATION. An attempt has been made by a contemporary to pick some crumbs of comfort for Tractarianism out of the closing proceedings of Convocation. The effort, however, involves, we are happy to say, a misrepre sentation of the feelings and conduct of the govern ment. It has been no secret for some days past, and in all probability was known to our contemporary, that the wiliest and most unscrupulous of all the advocates of synodical action (we do not mean the Bishop of Exeter) failed in an endeavour, earnestly pressed, to extract from Lord Aberdeen the smallest possible concession in favour of protracted dicussion. Nor is it less well known that, on the other hand, the government placed at the disposal of the archbishop the peremptory interference of the Crown, should his Grace have any doubts as to his being permitted to exercise his power to prorogue. It is, however, to be regretted that the government thus threw upon the primate a responsibility which it ought to have taken on itself. When Convocation was busily raking up every kind of precedent, by which to strengthen its position,—and under which to shelter itself in the future exercise of unusual power.,—that was not a time for the Crown to have been advised to forego the exercise of an inter vention, by means of which it can maintain un questioned control over the deliberations and pro ceedings of Convocation. And the result of permit ting the archbishop to cope with the subtle, and in some instances the hostile bishops who surrounded him, has been that the Primate was placed in a mi nority. It has, indeed, been said that government and the archbishop were both deluded into the course adopted by reliance on promises which thi have now discovered it was more cha ritable than wise to have believed. Expe rience will, it may therefore be hoped, teach the government in future to follow the policy which 130 years have bequeathed to them, with out respect to persons. Few things have tended to make men give a slower and more jealous support to the present cabinet than the suspicion that it was tainted and would be influenced by Tractarianism. If, therefore, our contemporary wishes well to the government, or to those of its members to whom it appears peculiarly attached, it will cease to strive to render them supected of Tractsrianism. THE MADIAL LOZTI JOIIN ZUBSELL TO Bill HENRY BULWIR. Foreign-office, January 18, 18.53. Sir,—According to the last accounts received from you, the Grand Duke of Tuscany still hesitates on the sub ject of the Medial. But this is a matter on which hesitation implies capital punishment. It is the same thing in effect to condemn a mini to die by fire like Savonarola, or to put him to death by the aloes torture of an unhealthy prison. It seems to be imagined, indeed, by some governments on the continent, that it they avoid the spectacle of an execu tion on the scaffold, they will escape the odium to them sal a nd the sympathy for their victims, which attends , a it e punishment of death for offences of a political or re ous character. But this is an error. It is now well understood that the wasting of the body, the sinking of th- spirits, the weaken ing of the mind, arc but addition' to the capital punish ment which long and close confinement too often involves. If therefore, as has been lately reported, one of the Medial were to die in prison, the Grand Duke must expect that throughout Europe he will be considered as haring put a human being to death for beinz a protestant. It will be said, no doubt, t h at the offence of Francesco Madiai was not that of being a protestant, but that of en deavouring to "educe ethers from the Roman catholic faith ; that the Tuscan government had the most merciful inten tions, and meant to have shortened the period of imprison ment allotted by law to his offence ; that such offences can not be permitted to pass unpunished. All this, however ' will avail very little. Throughout the civilised world this example o f religious persecution will excite abhorrence. Nor will it be the least of the re proaches addressed to the government of the Brand Duke that the name of Leopold of Tuscany has been thus dese crated, and the example of a benevolent sovereign thus de parted from. The peaceful, mild, and ingenuous character of the Tuscan people makes this severity the less necessary and the more odious. As this is a matter affecting a Tuscan subject, it may be said that her Majesty's government have no right to inter fere. If this means that interference by force of arms would not be justifiable, I confer at once that nothing but the most sztreme case would justify such interference. But if it be meant that her Msjesty has not the right to point out to a friendly sovereign the arguments which have prevailed in the most civilised nations against the use of the civil sword to punish religious opinions, I entirely deny the truth of such an allegation. You are, therefore, instructed to speak in the most se rious tone to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and to lay before him all the considerations stated in this despatch. Yost will do it in tte most friendly tome, and take eire to assure the government to which yon are accredited that none are more sincere in their wishes for the independenoe and happiness of Tuscany teen the Qum of Gust Britain. I am, &c., (Signed) J. RUSSELL. PENCE TOWN AND correspondent nye The want of iireekisess b muds felt by the resi dents in Prices Tun, esmesqweeme gleans not being able to reach it. The omelets are _pet es • limited allow ance. Some of them were sent to remise& for some bread, when one fellow ateempted to mobs Ids sweeps ; but his suf ferings were so greet that, after sminciag many hardships, he wan compelled to go to a blemiimmitles shop by the road side, and he was earned to the prisms incapable of walking." THE DRYONPORT DOCKYARD AND THE SHIP ' WItIORTO.—On one evening last week some dozen ship wrights, mostly young men, went to the agent of one of the passenger ships about to sail for Australis, and paid por tions of their passage-money for that colony. In conse quence of an order of the Admiralty of some years standing the leading men of the shipwrights have been liable to have their pay lea when the gangs to which they belong are working on job and task, although the men themselves should have an increase of wages. Thus, when on day work, the wain of the leading man is one.fourth more than that of the shipwright, but on job and task work this order 'night be reversed, and the workman be paid more than the leasing man. This was considered a great hardship, inu much as the job and task devolved on them an increase of responsibility and labour. The leading men cf shipwrights' in this dockyard, having placed these matters before the Lords of the Admiralty, their lordships have replied, con ceding the prayer of the petition to relieve the leading men from nay deducti7n of wages in consequence of the work 1 the yard being by job and task instead of day work. Some persons think that their lordships ought to have gone further, and made the wag, s of the leading men to be always cone-fourth more than the working men. SIR HENRY Llrron BULWER had a narrow escape with his life, a few days since, while descending the Rhoue from Avignon to Lyons, in one of the millinery passage steamers. The boiler bunt, and the vessel sank in the river. Sir Henry, with other passengers, swam for their lives, and the former was much exhausted on reaching the shore. Sir Henry is in a very delicate state of and it is feared that the accident may seriously retard his reco T very. HEATRICAL OPERATIVES' FUND.—The committee of this society, established in 1844 by the scene-shifters of the metropolitan theatres, to provide against the distress OCC4+I , IIMI in their . es by sickness and death, have lust sepnled to the leading members of the theatrical pro tessien for assistance. The soci. ty allows to its members, who are principally married men, in sickness 10s. per wick, and on a wife's death 31. 10s. ; the family receiving 71. 10s. in ease of the death of a member himself, to provide for the necessary funeral e*penses, FRANCE. PARIS, TRURSDAT EVENING. The Corps Legislatif met to day in the bureaux to elect presidents and secretaries, pursuant to the new power conferred upon the house by the recent senatus consultum. The following are the results of the election :—lst bureau—Pre sident, M. Devinck ; Secretary, NI. Edouard Dailoz. 2nd bureau—President, M. Delamarre (Crease); Secretary, Baron Paul de Richemont. 3rd bureau— President, M. Revell; Secretary, M. teverin Abhat tucci. 4th bureau—President, Count de Balsa d'Anglas; Secretary, the Baron de Vcauce. sth bureau—President, General Mcslin ; Secretary, M. Geoffrey de Villeneuve. 6th bureau—President, Count de Morny • Secretary, M. O'Quin. 7th hil -1 man—President:General 1100 ; &cretary, M. Al fred Leroux. The decidedly Napoleunist complexion of most of these names shows that the Corps Legislatif is not yet disposed to make an ungracious use of their new privilege. You will remember that ac cording to the constitution of last March, the presi dents and secretaries of the bureaux were named by the government. Bills arc about to be submitted to the Corps Legis latif for altering the law relative to foundling., sav ings banks, banks de retraile, and trial by jury. The latter bill will, doubtless, propose to lessen the majo rity, eight votes out of twelve, now necessary to convict a prisoner. The explanations in the Houses of Lords and Com mons in answer to the questions of Lord Clinricarde and Mr. Disraeli have been very favourably received by the government press. By a decree of the Emperor, in this morning's Moniteur, 99 additional persons, sentenced by the mixed commission to various terms of imprisonment and expulsion, are to be liberated without sureties. Among the names are two or three ex-judges, and about half-a-dozen mayors. The Munikur has an article " On the necessity of attaining, in time of peace, the readiest mode of per forming the administrative services of a campaign." The funds slightly improved to-day, and business on the Bourse was altogether more animated than at the commencement of the week. The Three der Cents., which closed yesterday at /30f. 45e. for cash. left off this afternoon at SOf. 75c. ; and the Four-and a-Half per Cents. at 105 f. 93c. (cash); being a rise of 30c. on the former, and 15c. on the latter stock. There was little done in Bank stock, which again closed at 2,805 f. In railway shares some activity was manifested, and those of the St. Germain line experienced a further rise of 25f. per share. From the other continental bourses, the following are the latest rates :—Amsterdam Four per Cents.,' 01; Threes, 76 9-16; Two-and-a-Had, 64, 1 , , . Ant werp : Fives, 97; ; Four-and-a-Half, 97 1 ; Threes, 741; Two-and-a-Half, 551. Brussels: Fives, 97Z • Four-and-a-Half, 974; Threes, 741; Two-aud-a-Half, 551 ; Bank of Belgium, 901. Frankfort: Fives, 851; Four-and-a-Half, 76:1; Fours. 69; ; Threes, 52; Two-and-a-Half, 44=; Bank, 1,M4. Vienna: Fives, 941; New Loan (13), 1061 ; Bank, 1,382. SPAIN. The Madrid journals of the 11th have arrived in due course. '1 he Diario Espanol gives the following as the results of the elections. Ministerial deputies, 234 ; opposition, 81 ; doubtful, 7. There were on the 11th, 29 returns still to be made. The Nacion, Epoca, Esperanza, Obserrador, and Dario, were seized on the 10th by order of the fiscal of the press. The Heraldo mentions a rumour of an intended augmentation of the Spanish army. ITALY . The Milan Gazette of the 11th, has tho fol lowing : Yesterday, four ether individuals, convicted of participa tion in the enscule of the 6th, one of whom was armed with en iron-shod bludgeon and the three others with knives, were sentenced to death and execated. Public tranquillity continues to prevail both at Milan and in the provinces. The four culprits above-mentioned were a tavcrn•keeper, a professor of gymnastics, and two jeurntymen carpenters. They were all hanged. The Opinione quotes the following, dated Milan, the Ilth: M . den offers the same aspect as on Good Friday. No bell' is allowed to toll except the hand-bell of the Sacristan!, at the Sanctus, and at the Elevation of the Host. A dead silence pervades the city, which is only disturbed by the challenges of the sentries. Many persons are daily thrown into prison. Troops have been lodged in the palace of the Duchess Visoonti. The most rigorous orders Cave reached from Verona and Vienna. The presence of General Denedek sufficiently explains the intentions of the Austrian govern ment towards as. The Parlament° of Turin, of the 13th inst.,states *hat the steamer Verbano h ad: embarked, at Maga dino, all the emigrants residing on the Sardiuian side of Lake Maggiore, and conveyed them to Arona. The steamers Radetzky and Benedek had transported numerous detachments of troops to Zenna, Lavin°, and other localities along the fron tier. Nothing important had taken place on the borders of Ticino. By order of the Minister of War, the companies on active aervioe of the 10th battalion of Foot Chasseurs have left Lyons for Toulon, to embark for Rome. GERMANY. The Augsburg Garetie states that the King of Ba varia has sent from Rome a decree ranting an am nesty for prisoners confined for political offences. TURKEY. The Triest Zeitung, of the 11th, states that a Rus sian government messenger had taken an extra steamer to Montenegro on that day. There is no sews from the mouniaine. The imperial commissioner of the Porte in Bosnia has published a lirman, according to which the Christians are to have tho same rights as the Turks. Harshid Pasta, the new Governor of Bosnia, and Camil Pasha, the Imperial Commissioner, are said to be doing all in their power to ameliorate the condi tion of the Rayahs. THE LATE DEATHS ON DARTMOOR.—CorporaI John Penton, of the 7th Royal Fusiliers, of whose fate some doubts were entertained, and who went with pri vates Driver and Carly", on Srturday, for the purpose of escorting them to Capt. Brown's company at Prince Town, also fell a victim to the cold. His body has been found in the snow nearer Prince Town than were those of the privates; and therefore it is sermised that when his com. panions found it impossible to contioue the journey, that he still persevered, and struggled on to within few hundred yard of the Duchy Hotel. THE STONED AND THE EARLDOM.—Some of our contemporaries have circulated a paragraph to the following effect. "A few days ago a stoker, we are informed, belonging to H.M.S. Valorous in 'his port was visited on board by a gentleman who, after making some inquiries, emnmunica ted to the object of his •isit the astounding intelligence that he was entitled to the Earldom of Stockport, and the im mense property attached to the title—of the value of some 31,0001. per annum. The property is said to have been lying in Chan cry for many years. We understand that he has gone on to London to complete the arrangements." For the sake of the man refer.ed to, who we understand is named Burrows, and a very respectable man of his class, we regret this pretty story is bu• little more than a romance at present. The facts we hrlieve a e that Burrows thinks himself entitled to a large property, and the* recently he has had an interview with some one in furtherance of his wishes in respect thereto.— Wistern rottrier. A FATAL ERRAND,—The Parlament° of Turin, of the 13th, quotes a letter from Midoi of the 10th, asserting that a schoolmaster named Scannini, who on the Gth had been ill in bed the whole day with the ague, went out in the evening with an iron-shod stick which he used ha bituolly, the fit being over, to order some milk, when he suddenly found timaelf enveloped in a crowd of insur gents, who were soon in thi ir torn surrounded by troops, disarmed, and arrested. Thin same Seaunini, the letter says, was among the four who wire led to execution on the morning of the 10th. DUTY ON Wm.—From a Parliamentary Paper just issued, it appears that the wine duties in the year ended the 6 th January last amounted to 1,8;2,9431. Cbt Court. The Queen held a Court at three o'clock yesterday afternoon, at Buckinrham Palace. His Excellency the Count Walcwslth the French Alt bassador, had an audience of her Maj.,..v on lac return from a temporary leave of absence. Ili.Eare lenty was introduced by Lord John Rumen. the Quern's hinel•fal I Secretary of State .1. Foreign Affsirs 1.n4 rondue e d by Major-General the H o n. Si r ElwarS Cost, K.C.H., her M..lestr'salsster of the Cerenasnies. Lord Cowley, Ambassador Extraordinary to the I.?tn peror of tie French, i.ad uu au.nence .11 C.. Qt., to, to Like leave on his return to Paris. His Lrdship was int rodo :vd he Torn John Russell, Secretary of S:ate tcr Yndgn Affsin. liciliajcsty gave audience to Lord John u: . . The I:l7:llen . wis attended by Lord Riverr;llrciTn•Wzit ing, and by S.r Edward llowat• r, Groom-ln- W4l: tug. Prince Albert, attended by Colonel the Don. Ch.,l:es ' Grey, visited the Es%iihition of Modern Artists, at tile British Institution, yesterday mnrnii.g, and paid a vi,: to thp Duke of Cambridge, at his midi:nee, in S:. Juirks's Palace. _ _ Her Majesty ' attended by the Marehion( sc n( Ely, act Lieutenani•Culonel the Hon. A. 1i,,r.! , n, rl,ited the Duchess of Gloucester yesterday ark:ll,qm .3 Gloucester House. The royal dinner party at Buckingham P..!ace last eren ing included Senor laturiz, the E irl of Aberdeen, Lady Aifr. d Paget, Lord Ernest Bruce, Lord and Lady Lyttelton, L)rd Cowley, and Capt;:ia Shepherd. A deputation on the subject of the imp daty had en in ttre;rw with the Earl of Aberder u ye.derilay, at his offi,ial residence in Dawning-strcet. The deputation consisted of Sir E. Filmer, Mr. W. W. Smith, Mr. 1.11.-edes, Sir E. Hering, Mr. Booker, Wm. C. B. Hanbury, Mr. Walla, Mr. Twiutierr,v, Mr. Fevers, Mr. Smith. R.:v. 8. Ma rion, Mr. Morland, Mr. Pattern, Mr. Elety, Mr. Chance Hearne, Mr. Edward Hearne, Mr. W. 04:ding, Mr. carter, Mr. Jo:it, Whitehead, and Sir Hubert Price. The Chancellor of the B:rho:pct. was present at thin in terview. A deputation from the Sunderland Shipowners Society, to present a memorial on the shipping intere:t Lad an in terview with the Right Ilea. E. Cardwell and Lord s•a•doy of Alderl.•y, yesterday at the Board of Trade. The .a•i.u tation consisted of Mr. Hudson, M.P., Mr. W. D. St yatour, M.P., and Messrs. Blair, Ord, and It. Brown. The Bef.tian Minister had nn interview with the Lal of Aherdeeu yesterday, at his official residence, is D.muing street. A deputation of Lancashire justices, on tho subject of the County Rates and Expentlitur.t Bill, had an interview wi.h Viscount Palmerston, on Wednesday, at the Home Office. The deputation consisted of Mr. Ashton, Mr. Ash worth, Mr. J. Peel, Mr. Bourne, and the Bey. J. Shepherd Higley. DIU Earl of Aberdeen gave a dinner to the Cabinet Ministers on Wednesday, 3t his reside in Argyll-street. Lord Juhn Russell had a dinner par.) , o•i It,dnestlay evening, at his r..sidence in Cheshani.;.lace. The company included Mr. Jahn Walter, Mr. A. Russell, Mr. Crawturd, Sir James Hogg, Mr. Blacken, Mr. Rinnuird, M.. It tikes Currie, Mr. Gregson, Mr. Crowder, Lord Norreys, Mr. it. Berkeley, and Mr.lionekton Milnrs. A deputation, consisting of Mr. Foster, M.P., Mr. Mitchell, DI P., and Mr. Lindsay, had au interview with the Right Hon. E. Cardwell and Lord Stanley of Alderley yesterday, at the Board of Trade. The Marquis of Clanricarde had an interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, at his official resi denee in aiwuing•street. The Biihop of Cape Town had also an interview with the right hon. gentleman. Mr. Tureen and Mr. Macaulay had an interview with the Earl of Aberdeen yesterday, at his Oh ial residecce in Downieg-street. Sir Unities Napier, R.N., had an interview with Lord Stanley of Alderley yesterday, at the Board of Trade. THE WRECK OF THE QUEEN VICTORIA. CORONER'S INQUEST. DUBLIN, FEB. 17. Very few particulars, in addition to those already published respecting the sad catastrophe of the Queen Victoria, have yet been ascertained. Up to yesterday, only four of the bodies of the persons drowned had been dis covered, and an inquest was commenced on these yesterday at Kingstown. It is conjectured that the bodies of a great number of those who perished still remain with the hull of the ill-fated vessel, and that they may not appear before she breaks up, or is raised from her present position. It is to he feared that there has not been much exaggeration, as to the loss of life; some persons statiag that there were so many as 140 on board at the time the ship lett Liverpool. the exact nueeber will, however, be known when accounts are received from Liverpool today; but, in the mean time, the agents of the company here have no means of ascertain leg the number of passengers. The first mate was not lost, as stated in some of the accounts published yes terday morning, having been one of He se whose lives were saved by the boats of the Roscommon. The following ate the names of some of those who were rescued, and btooght into Kingstown:—Thomas Davis, first mate; Anne Mulligan, ltathdrum, county Wicklow, on her way to her muteer's fa..eral ; Mary Anise Spencer, 64, Wellington-street ; Mary Ann Gough, housekeeper to William Horan, Esq., of Ballinakill, Queen's County; Thomas Pierson. Curry, county Sligo; J. Heffermen, Punch's Grove, comity Kildare ; William Carroll, Stain rone, King's County; Julia M'Docough, Sirekest,mn, county Roscommon; John Reardon and James Reardon, Nottingham; Roger al'Manus, county Wicklow. The deepest interest was felt by the public in the pro ceedings at the inquest, Yesterday; and, indeed, the sub ject is still almost the only one which occupies the minds of the citizens. The bodies viewed by the coroner's jury were those of two women and two children, one of the ! latter being the only one that had been identified. Mr. Curran, with Mr. C. Fitecerald, sen., as agent, ap peared on behalf of the company ; and Mr. Howell, the secretary, was also present. ' The Coroner stated, before entering on the inquest, that the course which he intended to pursue was to have a fell inquiry on the present use into all the matters connected with the loss of the vessel, so that it would be unnecessary to continue holding inquests on any other bodies that may come to land; and the verd et taken in this case would be considered conclusive for all, and there will be nothing to do except to bury them as they come on shore. The first witness examined was John Reardon, of Notting ham, who deposed that. he was a dealer. He had viewed the bodies, and knew one of them to be that of his child, John Reardon, aged about one year and nine months. Last saw it alive at two o'clock on Tuesday morning. Witness left Liverpool at half-past two o'clock on Monday last, on board of the Queen Victoria, for Dublin. There were on board with him his wife, deceased child, and his brother. Could not say what number of passengers were en board at the time. Was aroused about half-past two a.m. by two very violent shocks. Witness and some others got out of their berths, and having put on some clothes, weft on deck, and saw a very large and high rock, upon the lower portion of which the fore part of the vessel was resting. Witness's wife eves in a separate cabin, and his brother was On deck. Heard the captain give orders to " back the vessel." and she was accordingly backed off the rock into deep water. As soon as they got the fore part of the vessel began to sink. From the time witness ascended to the quarter-deck from the cable, until the vessel was backed off the rock, did not occupy five minutes. As soon as she began to sink, the captain ordered the vessel to be steered for the rock, and commanded all hands to come upon deck. At the time that order was given the vessel was in deep water, and more than twice the length of hentlf from the rock. lie then ordered the boats to be lowered ; they were at that time uncovered, but were not in a proper position for lowering. As soon as they were lowered the people jumped into them, and there was a great scramble for that purpose. Did not see any boat i omnm hisin t kneea u when h l e oo a thenkchkim saved D oet; e hw th ime e dwe v lhf e i a l s dh e y l. was ie attempted two or three times to get back to his wife and child, but could not yu t the d w ts a t e W i tness t. 0 do so, owing to the aster dashing in his face. The sea was very calm at the time, but there was a swell produced by the roll of the vessel. If the sea had not been calm lie would was a little snow falling at the time, but not mach. Wit ness believed his wife to have been teat also. Did ale see anything previous to the vessel striking. In his opinion the lives of all on board would have been saved if the captain had allowed them to walk on to the rock at the time the vessel first struck, as could easily have been done when she was lying on the roek. He was sure that the property in the vessel, and probably the vessel itself, weuld have been saved if she had been per mitted to remain where she first struck. Mr. Curran—That is only your opinion ? Witness—l am sure the passengers could all have been saved in that case. To a Juror—Believed the captain was on deck. Heard I some person say, " Let us get on to the rock;" hut did not know whether the captain was present at the time or not. Cauld not say whether the passengers were prevented from doing so. Cruse-examined—The night was not foggy at the time be came up, but there was a fail of snow. Ihe water, as Jar ns he could see, was not washing over the rock on which the vessel was lying, and which was very high and steep. It was not there he got up, but under the lighthouse, one hundred yards flanker on. To a Juror—Heard the order riven to back the vessel, but could not say whether it was the captain who gave that order or not. Crossexamined—Was not sufficient of a sailor to describe the position in which the ship's boats were fastened, but the ropes were all tangled and had to be rut in order to let them down into the water; seven letters besidi • himself succeeded in reaching the lighthouse rock. These were three or four sailors upon deck, but none of them were in toxicated. About five minutes elapsed from the time the vessel struck uotil he reached the neck. When the vessel backed those on board could see the Bailey Lighthouse as plain as could be. Mathew Maguire, of Liverpool, and late superintendent of police at Howdeo, near Hull, deposed that he was a de vie vas soiree on board the Queen Victoria steamer on the night in question. lie was en deck the whole time and passed tee greater portion of the night in the cookhouse. At the time the occurrence took place, about halt -1 ast two o'clock, he eas .tailfilba' at the bow of the teased, and read conde out of gulley a few minutes Lefore the ship struck, for the purpose of walking about the deck; it was snowing a little attlie time ; at that time he did not see any other person baweeu the forepart of the paddle-box and the bow of the reamer ; when he passed the paddle-box about saves or ten minutia before she struck, on looking user the how, he observed II It E S S L., 7 ;1:?,*!•,•- . I.'s . ' .* :4.* \ -;".: • 'I - adVds.k* +-:J Mt of IT, a- r