The Express. — London, England, 1848-06-28 00:00:00

THE _EX4 3 RESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 28, who, influenced by the weather, demanded more money, but millets succeeded in supplying themselves at last week'. rates. The quantity of foreign Wheat offering afbat is so small as to haw little effect on the market, and landed parcels are hold above our currency. The arrivals of Barley keep well worked off, and any parcel in good condition meets ready sale. In Oats very little doing, but the market doll. Beans rather pressing fir sale, and are worthy attention. Peas uite neglected. With a good arrival of Linseed the market is Fairly supported. Thtre is still daily business in Cakes, both for present and forward delivery. The market is bare of Rapeseed. Rape Cakes may be bought rather below our currency. There is again a good arrival of Bones, but the market is much firmer than might have been expected. Prices : -Wheat, per qr., red, 48s. to 50s. ; new, 48s. to 50s. ; white, 489. to 525. ; new, 484 . to 62 5. ; Dontric, 50s. to 64.. •, Lower Baltic and Hamburg, 475. to 50s. Barley, malt ing, 265. to 28s. ; grinding, 245. to 255. Oats, Danish, 17s. to 19s, ; Friesland, 20.. to 22. ; Russian, 17a. to 20s. Beans, 38s. to 38s. ; foreign, 30.. to 345. Peas, white and yellow, 34'. to 365. Linseed, crushing, 341. to 425. ; feeding, 445. to 465. Rapeseed, per 10 qrs., 261. 10.. to 201. Liasced Cakes, English, per ton. 81. 163. to 91. ; foreign, 71. to 81. ss. Rape Cake*, 100/. Bones, 8 17th Jar to 8.55. Guano 41. to 91. ss. Imports from the 17th Juno to the 23rd Jos e inclusive: Wheat, foreign, 3,917; Barley, 4,107 • Oats, 3,236; Beans, 3,771 ; Peas, 281 8 ; Tares, 12 • Linseed, 4,823 ; Rapeseed, 7 ; Linseed Cakes, ; Rape Cate, 231; Bones, 713. Leer's, June 27.-We have only a moderato arrival of girt in, but a change of wind has brought us a fair show of samples from vessels near at hand. The Wheat trade is ex tremely firm, and the full rates of Friday are obtained. Barley nominal. Oau and Bheding steady ' and Beans are w:thout variation in value. Arrivals Oita week: Wheat, 4,588 ; Oats, 450 ; Baxley, 873; Beans, 413. LISIOHTON BUIZAIID, June 27.-Wheat was in fair sup ply, sad a dull sale at last week's prices. Barley, for grind ing purpoe s, Is. per qr. lower. Beans and l'eas rather Trooping in value. Wheat, per load of 5 bushels, 28s. to 31s. Barley, per qr. imperial, 275. to 30.. Beans, old, '2Bs. to 305.; new, 21s. to 26.. Peas, 255. to 28s. per 6 lbs. LEWRS, June 27.-The supple of Wheat was small at this day's marks', which was all cleared off at last week's prices. Other grain no alteration. Wheat, white, 121. 10s. to 131. 5.. ; red, 111. 10.. to 121. 13silev, 31s. to 32.. Oats, I 20s. to 21s. Beans, 33.. to 365. Peas, 375. to kis. LIVERPOOL, June 27.-Yesterday, American advice, to the 13th inst. came to hand, acknowledging English dates to the 27th ult. : at New York, prices of Wheat and Flour were again advanced, with an active demand entirely for local and Eastern cacsumption ; the value of Indian Corn unvaried, and some shipments in progress for this country. Rates for Wheat ranged from 31.. 6d. to 465. per 3891 b. Flour, 235.63. to 26'. per barrel. Indian Corn, 19.5. to 21s. per 4831 b. Corn Meal, 91. 93. to 11.. 3d. per barrel, all sterling, and exclusive of shipping charges and commission. Freights fal. to 61, per bushel. Exchange on England, 100. to 1 Id. The ar rivals up to Friday have been since increased by a moderate quantity of Oats and Flour from Ireland, with a fair supply of Wheat and Malt coalmine; we have also about 3,000 qrs. of Wheat from the continent of Europe, and a further no p irt of In Ilan Corn and Corn Meal, chiefly from New Orleans. This morning's market was tolerably well attended by miller., but no disposition was manifested in the purchase of Wheats, beyond a very moderate amount, and prices receded on the average 2d. per 701 b. from the currency of this day week. Fresh Amencan and It Flour, being seam, was in fair requese, and commanded extreme rates, but anything stale or inferior was difficult of disposal. Barley being scarce and little wanted, prices remained stationary. Malt en chanted in saki:. Beans, upon • slow sale, barely main tained the reduced qu itatim of Friday. Oats were saleab:e in moderate parcels, at • decline of id. per 451 b. ; but in Oatmeal scant ly anything was done, and its value was 3d. to Gd. per load lower. For Indian Corn we had again some in quiry for Irish account, which importers met by a concession of 2s. per quarter, resulting in business to a tolerable ex tent. Corn Meal dull, and Is. to ls. ad. per barrel cheaper than this day week. Within the last few dig the weather has been fine and wet alternately. The following are the present prices:-British: Wheat, per 701 b., English, red, 7s. 3.1. to 7s. 4d.; extra, 7s. 43. to is. 7d ; white, 7s. 4d. to 7s. 7d. ; extra, 71. 7d. to Bs. 10.1. ; Irish, red, 6s. 2cl. to 7s. ; extra, 711. to 7s. ; white, 71. to 7s. 3d. ; extra, 7s. 3d. to 78.83. Barley, per qr., English, 30s. to 315.; Chevalier, 325. to 354.; Scotch and Irish, per 601189. ' 3s. 9d. to 44. Malt, English, per qr., pale, 68s. to 634. Oats, English and Scotch, per 4.51 b., old, 2s. 103. to 3s. 06. ; Welsh, old, 2s. 10d. to 2s. lld. ; Irish, fine sorts, new, 2s. 91d. to 2s. 101,1. ; old, 2s. 9d. to 2s. 10.1. ; general, new, 29. 7d. to 2s. 813.; old, 2s. 83. to 2a. 93, Beans, per qr., Eng., new, 375. to 395. ; old, 40s. to 428. ; Scotch and Irish, per 4801 b., new, 335. to 3.51. ; old, 365. to 375. Peas, English, pet qr., white, new, 40s. to 42a. ; ditto and Irish, grey, 345. to 365. Flour, per 2801 b., English and Irish, fine, 35.. to 365., superfine, 395. to 405.; extra, 41s. to 425. Oatmeal, per load of 2401 b., 1ri5h,new,245.63.t0254.6d.; old, 23a. 6d. to 24.; Canadian, old. 235. to 238.6 d. Bran, per 241 b., ls. to Is 23. Foreign: Wheat. per 701 b., Canadian, red, 7s. to 7s. 3d. • white, 7s. 53. to is. 83. ; United States, red, 71.5 d. to 7s. Bd. ; white, 7s. Bd. to Bs. 2d. ; Dantsic, mixed and red, 7s. 6d. to 7:‘. 10d. ; high mixed, Bs. 2d. to Bs. Bd.; Lower Baltic and Hamburg, red, 7s. 6d. to 7*. 10d. ; white, 7s. 9d. to 78. 11d .; Riga and Petersburg, red, 6s. 4d. to 6,. 6d. ; Archangel, 6e. 2d. to Gs. 6d.; Odessa, common, red. Gs. 4d. to 6s. 81. ; Polish, Ga. 9d. to 7s. ; French, Spanish, and Italian, red, 6s. sd. to Gs. 103. ; white, Gs. 10.1. to 7s. 23. ' • Bannat and Mariannpoli, red, 6 1. bd. to 6s. 103.; Egyptian,4s. 3d. to 48. 6d.; M editerranean, &c., hard, red, ss. 63. to ss. 9d. Rye, per qr., Baltic, &c., 265. to 28s. Barley, per 601 b., 3s. 03. to 4s. Oats, per 451 b., 24. 10.1. to 3s, : &logien, 24. 7d. to 2s. 9d. Beane, per qr., European, 335. to 35..• ' Egyptian, per 4801 b., 245.63. to 2.5. 6d. Peas, per qr., Baltic, ate., white, 3.5,. to 385.; Canadian, 318. to 32a. Flour, per barrel of 1961 b., Canadian, sweet, 275. to 28e.; United States, sweet, 275. 61. to 28a. 61.; United States Canadian, sour, 255. to 265. Indian Coro, per 4601 b., American, white, 30,. to 32.4. ; yellow, 325. 6d. to 351. ' • European, yellow, 345. to 35s 63. Indian Meal, per 1961 b5., las, to 13s. 9d. Arrivals from 20th to the 26th June, inclusive, into Liverpool: Wheat, 7,507 qrs.; Barley, 33; Malt, 4,102; Oats, 4,119; Beans, 2,107; Peas, 23; Indian Corn, 14,168; Indian Corn Meal, 1,963 barrels; Oatmeal, 207 sacks; Floor, 4,122 sacks 41 barrels. LYNN, June 27.-A moderate supply of Wheat, and fine quality, at Is. per qr. dearer. ; 61Ibs. to 631b5., 465. to 495. ; fine white, 52e. Oats, 12d. per stone. Beans, 365. to 40s. I'Lrmourn, June 27.—Since the 22nd instant the wea ther has been very unsettled—much rain has fallen, accom panied by heavy gees of wind, and it is still wet. The mar ket this morning was well attended by country millers ; many more buyers of Wheat, and prices were a little dearer. Farmer? supplies small. SALISBVai, June 27.—The attendance here to-day was limited. Wheat was Belling at previous quotations ; the sup. ply was small. Barley remained unaltered, and little in re quest. In inferior kinds of Oats a further abatement was submitted to. In other articles no change. Finest samples of Wheat made from 465. to 525. per qr.; good quality, 425. to 465.; some inferior, quotable at 395. to 425. per qr. Best Flour made 365. per sack ; seconds, 345. Best Barley, 325. to 355. per qr.; seconds, 28s. to 301. Malt, 565. to 645. Sta perior Oats, 255. to 265. per qr. ; common, feed, 181. Daxtzic, Jane 21.—At this day's market 150 lasts of Whoat have been sold; good mixed, 60 to 6l lbs. at 36e. to 361. 6d.; and a small lot of eery fiae white inland, 621b5., at :181. 61. GRONINGEX, Jane 20.—Wheat continues very dull, and though holders are willing to accept Is. Gd. to 2s. less money, still the transactions are trifling, the demand being quite of a local character. Rye and Buckwheat a heavy sale, at a decline of Dd. per qr. Ia Barley we have not heard of a single transaction. Beam continue to meet a steady sale, at full rates for esporta.ion. Peas rather worse. The supplies of Oats having increased, this article may be quoted 3d. per qr. lower, with a dragging sale. Freights to London and eut coast, 15s. to 16s. 10 per ant. for Oats. HAMBURG, June 20.—The demand for Wheat has re vived, and rather higher prices have been conceded. Upland, ' of 130 to 131 lbs. Dutch smile, has fetched 375. per qr. f.0.b.; of 132 lbs., 375. 9d ; Wabren, of 132 lbs., 38s. Shipments from Holstein, of 1311bs. to 1321 be., are being offered at 34e, 33e. 6d. has been refuted. Stale Barley continues scarce, and in good demand ; 1061bs. fetched 225. 61. Mecklenburg here, of 1101 M., o ff ered at 22. 3d., free on bo ard. We quote shipments from Fuhnen, of 1111 M. to 1121bs , at 245. cost and freight ; from Jutland, at 235. 6d. Oats offered more freely; Danish, of 82I1s. to 831b5., at 16s. 9d., cost end freight : Jshde, of 751bs. to 761b5., at 15s. 9d. ; Mecklenburg here, of 72Ibs. to 731b5., at 161. 9d. Peas without alteration ; boilers readily fetch 31. Beans slow sale; pigeon, at 28s. 6d. ; tick, 275. 3d. Weather very warm and dry. Itusvocu June 22.—There is but little doing here in trade, we h ave had some good supplies from the farmers of late, but now they have ceased again, and purchases have to be made from granary at 384. to 395. per qr. free on board. Of boiling Peas few are left, and they are held at 295. to 30s. Barley, 225. STETTIN, June 19.—With favourable weather for the growing crops, and dull accounts from Mark-lane, we have experienced a certain, but not a corresponding, depression here, supplies of grain not being large. There has been only a very limited business done in Wheat during tile last week. and prices for 61Ibs. red Uckermarck we quota 325. 6d to 3.35. per qr. f. o. b. ; 62 1bs. Pomeranian Wheat, 3.5.. to 365. per qr., f. o. b. Pomeranian Barley, 17e. to 18s. per gr., f. o. b.; Oderbruck Barley, 19s. per qr., f. o. b. CATTLE, FAREHAM, June 27.—Best Beasts were disposed of at from 10s. 61 to lls. per score; secondary, 91. 4d. to 10s. 4d. Calves were slow sale, at rather higher prices. Prime Mutton was quoted at 74d. per lb. ; moderate, 6W. Porkers reached Ila. per score. LIVERPOOL, June 26.—The supply of fat cattle was much smaller than last week. The demand for Sheep and Lambs very good. Beasts, Gd. to Sheep, 7d. to 74d.; and Lambe, 7d. to lid. per lb. Noascrcx —Our market exhibited a large show of store cattle. Trade continues dull, ar.d no improvement in prices. Halt the Beasts remain unsold. Fat Beasts a dull sale ' at 6s. to Gs. 6d per stone of 141 b.. without a clearance. The pens were well filled. Nearly all the Lambe were sold at from 14s. to 25,. per head, aceolding to size, condition, and quality. Ewes of tll ages a dull sale. Fat Sheep, Bs. to Bs. 6d. per stone, with a fair clearance. Store Pigs and fat Pork re main without alteration. SALISBURY, June 27.—Suckling Calves, from 12s. to per head ; dead Calves, from 6d. to 6d. per lb.; live Calves, tor butchers, 4s. 6d. per stone ; moderate, 3s. to 41. Best selected Devon!, from 113 s. to Ils. per score. Hereford and short-horns, from 9s. 6d. to lls. per !core; second quality, Ss. 6d. to 9s. 6d. Fat Cows, aged, 96. to 9s. 6d. per score ; interim, 71. 6d. to ed. But Sheep, ss. 6d. per stone ; moderate, 4s. to 4.. 4d. Onod Down Lamb*, 6s. per st"ne ; inferior, ss. to 6s. 4J. Store Hogs and secondary class of tarns*, rates. ,tar Yesterday s . a.e.,' ..t3_641, .asl_ pop: - - IMPERIAL PAItLIA MEN'I . HOUSE OF LOHDB.—TUESDLT, JUNE 27. The LORD CSAMOILLOn took his Goat at 6 o'clock. PRIVATE BBILDNEBB. SECOND RBAlHNOS.—Bosville'a &Oda; York, Newcastle, and Barwick Railway (deviation and abandonment of part of the Think and Melton branch); Bristol and Exeter Railway (branch from mead= to Walla, Glastonbury, and Street); Beata and Exeter Railway (Taunton and Castle Cary branch); Leeds and Think Rail. way (branch Dora Heimerby to Northaßerton, and junction with York and Newmatle railway); Leeds and Think Railway (Harrogate and panda, munch); Manchester, She Reid, and Lincolnshire Railway (lumbw ferries Improvement at Hull and Now Holland); Midland Railway (Olouceeter and titoorbouas Inaction); Mancheater Corpora. lion Water Works Act Amendment (No. 2); Midland Railway (branch to ninlay) ; Waterford and Kilkenny Railway Act Amendment ; Linda and Think Railway (alteration of levels of Leeds and Hartlepool rail way in Eagleedilfe, Stockton, and Renton); Arbroath and Forfar Railway (additional cmital) ; Rita. THIRD READlNGS.—liendal and Windermere Railway Act Amendment ; Barrow Harbour; Vale of :lonia Railway (power to South Wales Railway Company to sulaserite, and amendmeat of seta); Oxford Privinr, Bristol and Exeter Railway (Glastonbury Navigation and (inal) ; Forth and Clyde Navigation and Airdrie and Coatbridge Water; Tyne Direct Ferry; Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow. and Dublin Railway; Nantwich and Wheelock Turnpike Road; Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No. I) (Increase of capital); IMP: PUBLIC BUSINESS. SECOND READINCL—Law of Entail (Scotland) Bill. COMMlTTEE.—Emlesimtical Unions and Divisions of Parishes (Irela PETIdn) Bill. EIONS.—By the Earl of Ii:GLINTON, from Greenock and Port Glasgow, against the repeal of the navigation laws.—The Duke of MON !ROBE, from several places la Scotland. against the Regis tration (Scotland) Bill.—The Bishop of NORWICH, from menial places in Ilia diocese against the sea of Apirktuow liquor on the Sabt.th.—The Marquis of BREADALSANE, from several places in Scotland, to the same rEact. CHARGES AGAINST THE COLONIAL SECRETARY. - - Earl GREY rose to move that an humble address be re sented to her Majesty, for copies of cert., in despatches relating to the condition of the West Indies. Their lordships were, ' no doubt, aware of certain statements which had been made in the other house of parliament, and some of which he hoped were not correctly reported. It had been stated that as Secretary of State for the Colonies he had, lin concert with his hon. friend, Mr. Hawee, the under secretary, endea voured to mislead a committee to which had been confided by the other house of parliament the task of investigating the imporant sub' , e t of the distress of the West India colonies. It had been said that they Lad kept beck papers greatly in fay..ur of the views of these who attributed the distress of those colonies to the act of 1846, while every paper leading to the oppo its conclusion had been carefully presented to the committee. He was sure their lordships would agree with him in thinking that if • charge so serious, involving imputations so utterly disgraceful, could be maintained, not only should he be unworthy of the situation which he held, but it would be the duty of their lordships and the other house of parliament, by some formal and solemn procerdirr, to mark their sense of such gross misconduct on the part of one honoured by the confidence of the crown. Such an offence would amount to wilfully de ceiving a committee of parliament, by garbling the evidence which was brought before it. To his extreme astonishment he heal been told—but it was absolutely impiseible he could believe it—he had been told thut a distinction had been drawn on this subject between such an imputation personally upon him and in his political capacity. In such • matter no such distinction could for • moment be allowed ; and he was astonished that one, looking himself to hold office under the crown, could really pretend that a minister of the crown seeking to decrier, parliament was not culpable, personally of an offence far more disgraceful than that of a pour man who, under some pecuniary distress, was guilty of some petty fraud. A minister of the crown guilty of such an act ! would be infinitely more disgraced than any such criminal who might appear at the bar of the Old Bailey. He therefore hoped it was not true that any gentleman looking himself to hold office under the crown could have suggested even the shadow of any such di-tinction. ( Hear, hear.) But If the charge was thus serious, be was sure their lordships would concur with him in thinking that it was one which ho ought not to lose a moment in bringing under the consideration of their lordships, and refuting, as he trusted he should refute it. in • manner that would defy all contradiction. (Hear, hear.) The charge, as he understood it, had be n founded upon what had occurred with reference to three despatches—one a despatch from Sir Charles Grey, dated the 214 February, and received on the 27th March; and it was complained that this despatch was wilfully kept hack from the committee, while the inclosure in that despatch was laid before it ; the other was from Sir Henry Light, goverror of Guiana. and the third from Lord Harris, governor of Trinidad. With respect to Sir C. Grey's despatch he admitted that it was one that ought to have been laid before the committee ; he intended that it should be so laid before them ; and up to • recent period he never suspected that it had not been. He would explain the arrangements in the Colonial office. When a mail arrived it was taken to that division of the office to which it belonged, and after being opened the despatches were registered, and the forme r cor respondence to which they related were placed in order—the despatches then passed through various hands, each in dividual making the necessary remarks upon them until they reached the secretary. It was desirable that those minutes should, as much as possible, contain suggestions of what might to be done on the despatches, so that all common ordinary business might be disposed of by the simple ap proval of the secretary of the Secretary of State, of the course no suggested. The despatch arrived on the 27th of March, and being opened, this was the minute of Mr. Taylor, the senior minute clerk:—" This is the report for a copy of which the West India committee have asked." lie would merely say, in passing, that the committee bad before inquired whether a report had not been received from the assembly of demi:ice on the subject. The minute proceeded: We had a copy of the document which was required in the votes of the House of Assembly. It was to be sent to the committee to-day. Would It not be better to tend instead a copy of this despatch, which le important, with the report end evidence which we have got now for the first time! There are two copies. It ao, it may be desirable to seal it to-day. It then went from Mr. Taylor to Mr. Eliot, who addressed it to Mr. Hawes, *eying I conclude you will agree with tee that this despatch ought to be given at the same time with the report and evidence to which it refers." Mr. Hawes wrote, " I agree." Then followed his (Earl Grey's) minute, which was too long to read to their lordships, but the commencement of it was : " This may be Ind before the committee u suggested, but it also requires to be answered," &c. That was dated the 30th March, and of course having made that minute, and directed the despatch and report to be :aid before the House of Commons, he never doubted but that they had been so laid. The Secretary of State could not look into those matters himself, and all through the inquiry he had never been in the habit of seeing copies of the despatches that were laid before the committee. He had given directions for various calls from the committee to be complied with, and implicitly trusted to the orders being attended to; but in this case a mistake had been committed which it was not very easy to explain, but nevertheless he thought he could do so. His minute was dated three days after that of Mr. Hawes, and it contained • long directim as to the manner in which the despatch we.' to be answered. Now, as he could not give those directions until he had read the report itself, which was a very lengthy document, and the mail was within three days of golog, he sent verbal instructions, there being two copies of the printed report, to send down one of those at once to the com-nittee, and he would forward the despatch as soon as he had done with it. He found that it was sent to the committee on the 28th of March • and Mr. Ilawes ' s minute being dated the 27th, h e (Earl Grey) no doubt received it the following morning ; and on the 30th of March he wrote the minute fur the answer to be returned. The moil being so ueer its departure the regular course was a little departed from, and Mr. Taylor prepared a draft of the answer at once, and forwarded it to him (Earl Grey) on the Ist of April. When it reached him he did not inquire whether the despatch had already been copied and sent to ' the committee, but it appeared since that it had not, because he usually sent the drafts back shortly after he read them ; but it happened that this draft required a little more correc tion than be could give to it in time for the mail, and there fore, thinking the despatch had been copied for the cern mittee already, he put the draft by, as the despatch re quired to be answered with some care, and he was anxious that the draft should not be copied until he had given it a little closer attention—he put it by till within two or these days of the succeeding mail. It did not seem to him that it was a very unpardonable oversight that the despatch which ought to have accompanied the report had not been sent to the committee at the same time. In reality the mistake arose entirely in endeavouring to save time for the mail. The single despatch, unless it were re printed in this country, would have beea of but little use to the committee ; and he sent the copy on the 28th in order that time might he saved in printing the report, and that the despatch might be ready to be delivered at the rams time with the report. ;his was a conjectural explanation, but it was one which be felt the surest about; and he thought he wee not liable to any just censure for • mistake of this kind —(hear, hen)—the more especially when he stated that there were so many despatches called for by the committee that they made altogether 630 folio pages, to be furnished by his department to the House of Commons. (Hear, hear.) Under a pressure of business to that amount, he thought, in common plaice, they were bound to say that • mistake of this kind was not of very unnatural occurrence. But whether it occurred in this way or not, this he would state and to this he pledged his honour, that it was a mistake— (hear, hear)—and that he and Mr. Hawes both firmly be lieved that the despatch had bee n communicated. (Hear, hear.) Their lordships could not doubt it unless they be lieved what had been suggested, that this had been concocted since the subject had been considered, and, in plain lan guage? that Mr. Cox, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Eliot, Mr. Hawes, and himself had concurred in deceiving the House of Com mons by a deliberate act of forgery. Upon this charge he would say no more than that he hardly knew which was most werthy to be despised the man not entertaining that sus picion who could express it, or the man so lost to every generous feeling as to be capatle of believing and uttering it. He now came to the other deepen:thee. The complaint was that a despatch from Sir Henry Light, late governor of Guiana, was not laid before the committee, although a short extract from one of its enclosures was. He had no hesitation in ' , eying it was by his direction that that despatch was kept back and the extract was communicated. He did not think it necessary to communicate the despatch, for rea sons in which their lordships might think him to be mis taken if they pleased, but to his mind they were quite 1111113- factory. On the 24th of April the committee was supposed some considerable time before to have closed its inquiry; and in that stage of the proceedings it was thought expedient that further information should be indeed in the papers proposed to bas laid before the house itself. Upon lookirg through the incloeures of that despatch it appeared to him that one of the facts stated by the magistrates was curious, and ember important, as bearing on the subject. Accord ingly, he directed it to be laid before toe committee, but as to keeping hack 'he despatch it had only a very indirect and general (oaring. It WWI a deep itch transmitting tab!es for the whole year ending 1847—trinsmitting tabular statistical informative, but having a vt ry indirect bearing cm the inquiry of the crestless. He was told that he had sap. pressed that despatch ; but the feet" it esentedned were per fectly notorious, and the information could have been given to the etioamltte• of those facts to the fullest extent, if they wished it. The statement of the govern - r, that they could not compete with slave sugar, and that the proclaim Fee acre misht be doubled, was not new. The despatch, instead of making against those views which he was so anxious to up hold, was the strongest possible argument in favour of the sentiment. of thou who were adverse to protection. Then, as to the Trinidad despatch, the case was very simple. No doubt it was a despatch of great importance, but it was only received in this country on the sth of May, and the committee had agreed on their resolution, and it rams to him on the Bth of that month. It happened qn that very dry that Lord G. Bootjack himself moved in the House of Commons an address to her Majesty, praying that copies of all despatches received by the hut two mails should be laid, not before the committee, but hefore the House of Com mons. (Hear.) This motion would hare been made a day or two earlier, but for the statement that papers were to be moved for in the house, and that such papers were to be printed. If the committee had waited till all these paper" could have be en prepared and printed for their use they would have had them. That was the simple reason why this despatch was laid before the House of Commons instead of before the committee; but he might observe to their lordships, that if any dishonest concealment had been his object, undoubtedly he should have taken care that these papers should not be laid before the House of Commons. (Hear.) It was quite as easy to suppress them from the House el Cummins as from the committee. Nay, if there had been any im proper suppression from the committee, it would have been a great deal easier to have persevered in it, and concealed them also from the House of Commons—(hesr, hear)—and the more so that what was really important was not the vote of the committee but the House of Commons. The only material concluion the committee came to seemed by com mon consent to be abandoned, because an honourable gen tleman first of all gave notice that he would move in the House of Commons a resolution that nothing short of what was proposed by the committee would do ; and then, finding this would not be supported, he altered it into a motion of general censure of the van of the government. Therefore if he (Earl Grey) wialattl to influence either the House of Commons or the committee it was not the committee he should have chosen. lie understood that further charges had been made against him of the suppression of a number of pipers, and of dishonest quotations of others. He was said to have quoted a passage from a memorial of persons in Jamaica in support of his own arguments. Undoubtedly be did so, and he wanted to know which of their lordship' ever made speeches in the house without quoting those parts of docu ments which they thought were important to their case. And in quoting the facts which he had taken from the me morial his object was to show that the memorialists had ad mitted facts which made greatly in support of his argument. He would not trouble their lordships by reading that memorial again, but ho quoted from it wl at he thought of importance, sect the whole of it was laid before the committee of the other house. Then as to the other charges, he could not go into the detail, of particular despatches, which he was said not to have pre sented in due time, but he would repeat the assertion, that every call for papers received irom either house was obeyed with the utmost possible promptitude; and considering the mess of papers which had been caged for, he might add with perfect and scrupulous fidelity. (Hear, hear.) Ile defied any man to search through the archives of the Colonial office and find a line bearing on this question which had not been presented at once, either without being called for, or in obedience to the calls of either house of parliament. His . directions to the gentlemen in this department were to take .care to afford the fullest and fairest information both to the committee and the house. (Hear, hear.) This was the vindication which he had to offer of his conduct. lie had now merely before he concluded to offer a very few remarks on this subject. He must admit, when he was first informed that he had been charged with a practice so disgraceful, it created in his mind feeling; of anoer and indignation; but a little calm reflection brought him to tel that he had no real cause for anger: because, whatever had been intended, no real injury had been done. (Hear, hear.) He hoped he was not guilty of undue presumption in saying th t, having now for nearly 22 years been a member of one or other house of parliament, and taken some share in public affairs, and having never before during that long period had imputed to him a mean or dishonourable action, he did think he had earned a character which was proof against such an attack. lie had so much confidence in the generosity and justice of hie countrymen, that he entertained no fears that they would lit halo believe that by such conduct as that which had been imputed to him he had disgraced himself and tarnished the unsullied honour of that name which he we, proud to inherit, as he had icceived it from one who was even more distinguished fur his high and honourable character than for his talents and public services. (Loud chests.) Ile said, upon reflection, that he should not be injured by such an attack as this, and he ought rather to be thankful to the noble lord for having din cted it against Dim, as it had given an opportunity to his friends to come forward in his defence, with a generosity for which he should never cease to be cheek ful to them. (Ch.ers.) But although every feeling of anger was soon driven from his mind, it had given plat*, he would not say to contempt, fur he wished to avoid harsh expression', but to a feeling rather of compassion for his assailants, who, upon grounds so trivial, could have made such an attack upon him, and in doing so, must have incurred the disapprobation and censure of every right-minded individual. (Cheers.) Such* charge showed that one anxious to take a leading part in the affairs of this country was so ignorant of the manner in which those aff.in ought to be carried on, as to bring down a matter of great public policy to the miserable ground of party person• ality. Although he was not angry fur himself, he had a right to say that this system of personal attacks on the motives of public servants was one that ought to be reprobated by their lordships and the other house of parlia ment; and this he might say was not the only instance in which it had occurred. Two gentlemen of unsullied cheese. ter had been accused on grounds as trivial as those upon which this charge was founded--one of whom, Mr. l'orter, had been charged with having deliberately furnished ac counts in such a shape as to have deceived parliament ; and the other with having fenced with a question before a com mittee for the purpose, he supposed, of deceiving them. Such a system was full of evil and danger ; hitherto in this country it had been our boast, and he thought our just one, that although party politics might run high, as in all free countries they would do, still those conflicts had been car • lied on in an honourable and manly spirit, by fair argu ment and discussion ; and above all they had been free from accusations of personal motives. (Hear, hear.) It had been as little usual that charges of personal dishonour and fraud and deceit should be preferred by one public man against another, as that such practices could be committed. Above all, he thought it was almost due that a deliberate charge of violation of a public duty, of fraud, and falsification of documents, should not be brought against a minister of the crown unless it were intended to be the foundation of same solemn inquiry. His noble friend oppo site had held the office of Colonial Secretary for some year': and it had been his (Earl Grey's) misfortune to think it • duty to join with those who had entered into strong opposi tion to the policy of hie noble friend ; but it never once oc cuffed to him, in that opposition, to charge his noble friend with suppressing documents or acting unfairly; and yet he would say, if a perverse ingenuity had collated passages from speeches in " Hansard," with extracts from volumes and blue blooka and despatches of his noble friend, there would be no difficulty in making out such charges. When there was a desire to make such charges, and a readiness to believe them, there was no great difficulty in finding the materials for them. And again, his noble friend himself had been in Of/- position as well as in office, and then it had not been his habit to be particularly sparing in hie criticisms on political subjects, but he would do him the justice to say. that he never heard front hint one accusation of the kind He wouid do him the justice of saying he had always abstained from tieing the " poisoned arms of personal dishonour." He would just mention a fact which, only a few minutes before the house assembled, he had learnt. Their lordships might be aware in the other house of parlia ment it was reported that, in a discussion which took place on this very subject, a great impression was produced by its being asserted that his noble friend, the noble duke on the bench behind, was the chairman of the Jockey Club, which voted a testimonial to Lord George Bentinck for his zeal and perseverance in detecting certain frauds in connexion with th et , club. It was curious enough that it so turned out that this which had been stated as a fact so opportunely, and made so' great an impression at the time, turned out to be no fact at all. The records of this transaction had been carefully examined, and it had been found that not only the noble duke was not in the chair, but that he was not present on the occasion adverted to, and that he did not attend the meeting of the stewards of the Jockey Club on that subject until the fund had become devoted to one of a charitable kind. Now that was the undeniable fact ; and how easy it would be for him to say that it was impossible for the principal actors to be ignorant of this, and that they to. k the chance of the ignorance of their audience. (Hear, hear.) How my it would be for him to insinuate that this was a falsehood; but he disdained to do so. lie believed that in the excitement of the moment those who made the assertion thought it to be true; but how much care ought they to use in charging falsehood upon others? He believed it was impossible, with the tone of feel ing which existed in that country, that any minister of the crown should be guilty of such conduct as had been im puted to him. Every gentleman in his own department would refuse to maid or bear him out in any such Iniquitous proceeding. But if these accusations were) to be bandied about from one to another, if such things were to be talked of as possible to be done, then would they be believed, and one of the greatest guards of the purity of the administration of the affairs of this country would be destroyed. To main tain the conduct of public men was of the deepest import ance. How much of the moral strength of our institutions, how much of the power of government in this country, depended on the general belief of the people of this couetry that the public business was fairly and honourably con ducted ! He thought we had had an awful warning on the other side of the Channel of the effects of a different opinion. Was there any man who doubted that all the calamities and bloodshed which had ensued since February in France, all the fearful events which had startled and alarmed the whole of Europe, were in a great measure to be attributed to the impression—whether justly or unjustly entertained he did not say—which certain unfortunate events and disclosures had produced on the public mind of France, that there was something corrupt in the management of the public affairs and in thou who conducted them ? Public confidence in public men had been destroyed in that country before the revolution—(hear); and he would ask their lordships if it was not practically reprobated by their lordships, and con demned by the public, to introduce into debates of political subjects Oise attacks on the character. of p u bli c meo l (Hear.) Such a ',stem could not go on long: if it did, the characters of public men gent rally on both side' of the house would he lowered end degraded. Ile hoped he had executed hie task in the manner in which he moot (limiest!' de:ited to 1848. ------ do so, and had succeeded in avoiding the use of those preesions or uttering any of thou personalities which he bad condemned. The noble earl eoncleded by tooting for the Pa and 6 01:III:ET d trU it' in d M ch q g h e could net wonder that the noble earl should wish to take the earliest opporta silty lilt the necessity of making some of the statements that he had of vindicating himself, he regretted that h e should have made, because the debate so introducedvras irregular ; uid in the neat place, in vindicating the character of his noble and hon. friend elsewhere, it placed him (Lord Stanley )in the position of being the aoeuser of the noble earl and the department to which he belonged. He believed the noble earl to be a man of the highest honour and integrity, but at the same time the noble ord who had been attacked by the noble earl was also a man of unsullied honour. (Hear.) He did not see why the noble earl should have alluded to France, and he regretted that he had done so ; but he wee still more sorry that he had alluded to the pursuits of the noble lord whom he had attacked. He was glad, however, to bear his testimony to the high honour of his noble friend; and to say that nothing base or sordid war analogous to the pursuits of his noble friend. (Hear.) The noble duke, who had been alluded to was engaged in the same pursuits, and had borne his testimony to the conduct of his noble friend, who, by great personal exertion and expense, had exposed and destroyed a ditgraoeful ',stem of fraud. Thou who were engaged in similar par uits voted a testimonial amounting to between three and our thousand pounds to his noble friend, and the noble duke now cited as a witness was one of the first subscribers. His noble friend, however, with his usual generosity, refuted to receive one Lathing of the amount, but suggested that it should be applied to making a provision fer tho widows and children of thaw who in a humbler capacity had lost their lives in administering to the pleasures of the turf. (Hear.) To turn, however, from the Jockey Club --(a laughl—he had yet to learn why any public man, if he thought a public docu ment had been suppressed, should not state so, and give the grounds of his belief. (Hear.) It was the right and duty of a public man to expose any supposed public delinquency without being charged with haying been guilty of mean personalities. (Hear, hear.) lie would follow the noble earl through his statement. lie thought their lordships would agree with him that there was some ground for suspicion. The charge was that systematically, during the last year, the Culonial-ollioc had f-een in the practice of suppressing documents, and p eeeee tiog documents in their pouession, thereby leading the house to inferences which the documents themselves would not war rant. There were two periods last year upon which it wen important that parliament should be in possession of the moat accurate information. Thou two periods were when the subject of the West Indies was discussed in parliament, and also when the committee on the subject was sitting; and it was at those periods that the charge was made that import ant documents were not given which ought to have been given. The first was a despatch received from Sir C. Grey on the 27*b March. The committee was then on the point of closing their evidence. Go that thy the main question between the government and West Indiana was discussed, namely, whether the distress was connected with the If gial 1- tion of this country or with the apathy of the planters ? At that period Sir C. Grey sent a report, prepared by the assembly of J amaica, as to the causes of distress, and evidence to support it, and it was accompanied by a despatch of Sir C. Grey, in which he stated the condition of the colony, and the measures which he thought necessary to remove the die tresa. The committee cloud their evidence on the sth of April; and on that day the Under Secretary was examined before the committee. It had been made the subject of observation that no despatch had been received on the sub ject from the Governor of Jamaica ; and not only this docu ment was not then laid before the committee, but thrt im portant document was never laid before them—ho meant the despatch of Sir C. Grey although the committee art till the 29th of May—although they continued their sittings until that time. (Hear, hear.) And if the question before them was whether a duty of 20s. on foreign and Ills. on British sugar should be imposed ; and that ques tion was lost in the committee by a single v .te— (hear, hear)—whist e ff ect in that nicely-brimmed committee would have been produced, he might ask, if it had been known that the recommendation of the governor precisily agreed with that proposition ? (Hear, hear.) He did not believe that document was purpusel7 withheld ; he had no doubt it was intended to be communicated to the committee both by the noble earl and the Under Secretary ; and knowing the course of business in the Colonial °tax, he fat no doubt whatever that such was the case. (Hear, hear.) On the sth of April the hon. gentleman the Under Secretary for the Coloniee was tilled before the committee, and gave the following evidence. He is =W— ..— " • * • " " "There ix no account of the state of the bland, and In the other eases!" The answer in, "That is generally comprised In the annual report called the blue book. The feet in, that we have not received it "Does not the governor write despatches to the Cblonial-once on the subject ot the at ite of the bland, besides that one particular paper, in the course of the year r' " Yea, certainly ; but lam not aware of any despatches front him of any importance which have been withheld from this committee." (" Hear, hear," from the ministerial benches.) lie went on to say, in reply to other questions— " " " ie . have rece Ire,: from other colonies very consider:bin details as to the state 01 thole colonic.. and an to the prospects of agriculture ; but from Jamaica I can find nothing of the kind. Until very recently I think there ken been no curb general dc+tu•eh received. That despatch is now printing fur this committee. 1 ought to add, that the governor has been in the island a .cry short time." - - - - - Now, considering the character of that despatch, he could not understand that the hon. gentleman, instead of answer ing vaguely that a " despatch was received," did not say at once " within a few days an important document has been received which will furnish the fullest information to the committee on the subject." (Hear, hear.) Ile could not understand how the hon. gentleman, five or six days alter the despatch had been received, could h've led the com mittee to believe that ft was not of an important char cter, and would not tend to facilitate the investigation of the com mittee. (Hear, hear.) But there was another part of the case which tended to throw great suspicion on the whole of these transactions. Meetings of the committee were held on the sth, 9th, 14th, 22nd, and 29th of May, six or seven weeks after the receipt of the despatch. On the Bth of May • motion was made in the House of Commons for an address to the crown for the production of the latest despatches from the West Indies. Now, unless the business of the Colonial office was conducted in a more lax manner than when he was connect, d with that department, it was morally impcssible, not that the noble earl himself but that his subordinates in office, when they were collecting the further despatches to he submitted to parliament, should not have perceived that this important despatch, which was in tended to be sent, had not been communicated; and he con ceived it equally impossible that on the discovery of such an omission instant steps were not taken to repair the error, and to furnish the document to the committee before they came to a decision, and not after. (Hear ) Though be gave entire cr,dit, after the speech of the noble earl, to the statement that they had not withheld this document de signedly from the committee, its having been withheld formed a reasonable ground of suspicion; and the fact that it was not communicated during the long interval in which the blunder must have been discovered afforded a strong presumption that the government were unwilling to have the document placed in the hands of the committee before they came to a decision. (Hear, bear.) And it added to that suspicion when they found that the same thing cocurred with regard to documents from other colonies. There was a despatch from the governor of Demerara, which enclosed several documents relative to the distress of the co lony, and declaring that it was impossible for the planters to compete with slave labour. But cne, and only one, of those documents was sent to the committee, and that a state ment of a stipendiary magistrate charging the planters with gross apathy and negligence. (Hear, hear.) It was strange that this should have been the only document sent to the committee, end at a time, too, when they were about coming to a decision, and when it might have some influence on that decision. He believed that the hon. gentleman the Under Secretary expressed his regret that the despatch was not com municated, and that in his opinion it ought to be communi cated. But the noble earl took upon himself the entire responsibility of not communicating, and said that he was right in withholding it. He would now go to a third des patch of the 4th of September, and another of the 18th, from Lord Harris, the governor of Trinidad. At the commencement of the session the honourable member for Montrose moved for the production of papers connected with the West Indies, and particularly with re gard to Trinidad ; and it was 4ngular that till the discussion en his noble friend's motion had begun and been nearly brought to a close those despatches, which would have been material in the discussion, had not beets placed in the hands of members. 'fhis might be a case of inadvertence or par. donable omission ; but when ho read the language of Lord Harris be thought the house would he of opinion that those despatches ought to have been laid before the committee. The desoatch of the 18th of September was received the 22nd of October, 1847, and Lord Harris says in it—" The distress is excessive, it is increasing daisy; there is an unprecedented stagnation of business ; the pre: ant crop will be abandoned from the want of the means to pay for the necessary labour ; the chief cause a' this is that the prices received for sugar this year will not repay the cost of production." He then expresses his conviction that the colony would relapse into a state of barbarism if more than ordinary relief was not af forded. (Hear, hear.) Another despatch was received in September from Sir C. Grey, the Governor of Jamaica, in which he says. "I think it my duty to mention that the low prices of sugar in London, without any corresponding redoo ties of the duties threaten with ruin many plantations." This document and the document from Trinidad were in the hands of government in October, and yet it was not laid before parliament till the 28th of March. With this despatch from Jamaica in the prelusion of the government he was surprised at the conduct of an honourable, high-minded, end sincere man—one who would be the last m the world to dis guise, conceal, or palliate any fact whatever—he alluded to the righ t hon. gentleman the President of the Board of Trade-- with regard to a question put to him by Mr. (iota burn, respect ing the receipt of despatches from Jamaica. That right hon. gentleman said that no despatch had been received giving any general account of the state of Jamaica, but if any such document should be received it would be communicated by the Secretary of State for the Colonies. Here, therefore, was another point which afforded ground for strong sus picion with regard to the motives of government in putting by these documents. The noble earl oppo site would forgive him if he used a homely simile in illustration of the position of the Celontal-office. The noble earl said that if he were guilty of the charges mule against him he would be more criminal than any wretch who was ever placed at the bar of the Old Bailey. He hoped, therefore, that the noble earl would not consider it offensive if he went to the same locality for his illustra tion. Suppose the noble earl, or himself, or any of their lordships, had been charged with passing counterfeit money —as it was possible that any of them might pass a bad half crown—no human being would suspect the noble earl, or himself, or any of their lordships, of ',Molly com mitting such an act; but if it turned out that, after having passed one bad half-crown, the same individual proceeded to pass lutl.a-dcren other bad halt-crowLs, end the'. a dcz.n wore were found in his pocket, that would very Bench alter the appearance of the whole transaction, and that which at first had but the appearance of gu ilt would be a conclusive proof of a guilty knowledge. ("Hear," and laughter.) What be had heretofore said applied only to the Colonial-office—what he was now about to say had a personal application to the noble earl. On the 7th of February he (Lord Btaaley) felt it to be his duty to call the attention of that house to the state of the West Indies, and he stated that the persons whose petition he was then presenting attributed their distress to British legislation, and particularly to the act of 1846. In reply to his statement the noble earl aid that even admitting the distress to be true, it was not to be attributed to the act of 1846, but to other causer, amongst which he particularly specified the wasteful and extravagant management of the plantations and the prevalence of absenteeism. The noble lord adverted to a document which he then held in his hand, which he justly styled " an able and admirable thspatch" from Mr. lligginson, the Governor of Antigua, that despatch was not communicated to the committee fur two months after wards. But on the occasion to which he was adverting, while the noble earl quoted as much of that despatch as made for the view of the question which he wished to impress on their lordships, he omitted to state that it contained this important passage: "It must be conceded that, for obvious reasons, free grown sugar can never yield so remunerative a return as that grown by slaves." (Hear, hear.) He admitted that it would be sometimes inconvenient and mischievous to lay the whole of a despatch before parliament. But the noble earl extended that doctrine, and claimed on the part of govertunent that they should only lay before parliament so much of any despatch as met their own views, and should exclude from every despatch whatever ran counter to those views. (hear, hear.) The practice of the noble earl would seem to con firm the strong charge made by his noble friend in the House of Commons that they adopted the principle of suppressing and perverting the information which they had in their possession, and which had not been laid before parliament. (Hear.) When our despatches were asked for, they ought to be exhibited in such a way as to give a fair, complete, and impartial statement of the case to be considered—(hear)—and to enable parliament to judge of its substantial merits. (Hear.) But chat were they to say of the minister who held in his hand a document from which he quoted whatever supported his own particular views ? (" Hear, hear," (rein Earl Grey.) He (Lord Stanley) was not now speaking of the despatch of Governor Higginson, but of a memorial which excited great attention on the part of the noble earl, and from which he read extracts to the house. lie was going to show that the extract read by the noble earl was not a fair extract, and that, as the noble earl read it, it involved an inference diametrically opposite to the whole tenor of the memorial itself, and that the next sentence, which the noble earl did not read, would annihilate the inference to which he sought to lead their lordships. (Hear, hear.) It was in refer, ore to this memorial he presumed that the noble earl made the following remarks on the 7th of February In a few yeer• be hoped to sec the busmen of planting carried on solely by residents, and he conceived that there were not anywhere such favourable opportunities for the investment of capital as in the Went ladle.. lie felt ensured that men of science going out there, not disregarding local experience, but applying the great principles of SLUMCC to the production of wealth, could scarcely fail to obtain pre eminent 'UCCA'S. It was his firm conviction that flee or six men of capital and science emigrating thither with a renolution to anoint each other, and establishing a central manufactory--web a party, oonduct ing curb an enterprise, could not fail of perfect women. Ile could not avoid expressing Min strong conviction that a great property was still a store for those who engaged in so h a course; and he should con clude with a confident appeal to the house and the country to nay whether or not he bad interceded in proving that the present state of the West Indies was nut to be imputed to the advice of the present government. Toe noble lord expressed that opinion, and he led their lord ships to entertain this opinion ; and he induced the country and the capitalists of the country to entertain it, whilst he at the very time held is Lis hand the document which would have led their lordships and the country to form a different opinion, but which he did not communicate to them The memorial which the noble earl held in his hand stated that they (the mcrnerialiete) had invested 142000/. capital in the production of sugar ; but that the price of augarat the present time was such, that upon an annual expenditure of 60,3001, the gross , eturns were 60,8001., being 6001. on an outlay of 60,3001. independent of the interest of the capital and of the 142,00 01. which they had laid out since the act of emancipation. They went on to say that they were resident proprietors ; that they adopted the improved mode of cultivation ; but that they could not cul tivate their estates for another year. (Year, hear.) They concluded by saying: " We beg of you to consider our desperate position as an excuse for troubling you." (Hear, hear.) And yet the noble earl, with that document in his hand from which he read a portion, whilst be withheld the rest for two month •, would lead their lordship: to conclude from the part he read, that the experiment of resident planters was immerse/1y successful, and warranted • san guine hope that Jam.ica would be cultivated in a successful and profitable ma .ner, when the memorialists themselves told them that they could not cultivate for another year. (Cheers.) He followed the noble earl through the whose of his statement, and he would leave it with confidence to their lordships to judge whether the noble earl was justified in that high tone of indignation in which he thought it neces sary to indulge, (Hear, hear.) He did not ask them to say that there was a wilful suppression of the truth, or a per version of documents for purposes far opposed to those for which they were intended ; but he said that he had demon strated to their lordships, or to any candid and impartial man, that in the circumstances as be had stated them, and as they appeared before the public, it was not surprising that his noble friend (Lord G. Beotinek), who de voted himself heart and soul to the cause of the West Indians —who presided over the committee with exemplary assiduity —should be anxious to arrive at the truth ; end when he found a portion of the documents which contained important matter had been withheld from that committee over which he presided, intentionally or unintentionally, that he should have expressed himself in strong and warm language, though in language perhaps too strong with respect to a cue which could not be made out by complete and conclusive facts. (Hear, hear.) It was not surprising that, as chairman of • committee to which an important inquiry was delegated, he should have said circumstances of grave suspicion attached to the manner in which the business of the Colonial , office had been carried on for some time—(hear, bear)—and because he made those charges and statements it was not fair to say that he was unduly descending to mean and petty formalities, as stated by the noble earl. He took a course in which fair argument ought to be met by fair argument. He was justified in making the statements be bad made; and neither the noble lird nor the govern ment ought to be offended at the plainness of the statements so made—(ironical cheers from the ministerial benches)—and the noble earl might consider himself well out of the matter if he can satisfy your lordships and the country that be is altogether free from the charge of havirg conveyed by partial statements made to your lordships —an inference on an important question the very opposite of that which was intended t i be conveyed by the document from which he was speaking. (Cheers and counter cheers.) Lord BROUGHAM deeply lamented that anything should have arisen to make it rerneseary for the noble earl opposite to depart from the ordinary course of proceeding, in order to lay this subject before their lord-hips, because it was one that gave occasion to heats both in that house and elsewhere. He was not surprised, however, that the noble earl should be anxious to take the earliest opportunity of clearing himself from the charge. But could he blame his noble friend (Lord G. Bentinck) for calling on the Colonial-office to de fend itself from the charges which he thought himselfjusti fied in making. Far from it. It was his privilege to do so —it was consistent with his right to do so--and it was his duty to do so. Whatever was offensive in the charge his noble friend had retracted ; he had in a great degree apolo- Kluft for it, retair.ing, however, the opinion that there had been errors and ' , hinders, and that the circumstances justi, tied suspicion. In one or two circumstances he could not agree with the statement of the noble lord who had just spoken_ He could net agree with him that the exeminntion of, his hon. friend (Mr. Hawes) justified suspicion. With regard to the despatch, his hon. friend might differ from the noble lord with respect to the gloss to he put upon it—as to its importance or otherwise—but that his hon. friend could have meant to deceive was impossible, because he believed that the despatch was there be`ore the committee. (Hear, hear.) A remark of the same kind applied to the keeping back one portion of Governor Light's despatch, for when the parr omitted came to be read it made, in his opinion, for the cue of the noble earl opposite. (Hear, bear.) With regard to the memorial. again, it seems not to have occurred to the noble lord that the part left out might have made • different impression on the noble earl opposite than what it appeared to have made on the noble lord. He hoped that this would be the last debate of this kind that he should be obliged to listen to in that house. Ile thought that greater are, more caution, more attention to a previous examination of the facts, should be observed in charging public men with breaches of their public duties. (Hear, hear.) If he were to give his candid and sine..re opinion as to what would best show that what had been done elsewhere had been done not from personal views, not from malicious motives, or un worthy feelings of any kind, but from public principle, from a strong sense of public duty, ind that high and honourable feeling which he believed and knew appertained to the con duct and formed part of the character of Lord G. Bentinck —he would offer this advice—that this matter be at an end— that the charge having been made from a sense of public duty, and having been partly rebutted and partly ex plained, and what was most offensive in that charge having been retracted—they should hear no more of it either in that house, where it gave rise to one disorderly discussion, or in another house, where it might again give rise to another equally disorderly. The noble lord opposite had fully, clearly, and satisfactorily defended his own course, and that of his subordinetes in office, without making any charge against others. Nothing which he had said: required any answer from Lord George Bentinck or any one else; and, therefore, he hoped that hi re, and now, there would be an end of this unfortunate matter. One o bservation he must make. Considering all the enorn.ous mass of business which weighed on and almost overpowered the Colonial-office, and of the immense number of despatches which were received, at the rate of 10,000 or 11,000 a year, about 300 a week—he was convinced of the difficulty which must attend the getting through such a mass of business, relating to colonies at the extremities of the globe, some of them under laws the very opposite to hose which prevailed at home. He was also convinced of the necessity of some further assistance in disposing of this immense amount of business. Here an error had arisen between the Colonial-office and the com mittee of 'the House of Commons; how many such errors must necessarily arise between the Colonial-office and those distant possessions of ours in the course of his multifarious business, and how pressing was the necessity for theadoption of the alteration ,which he had suggested: Should such be the result of the long discussion which had now taken place, the time of the house would rot have been recupied al together in vain. (Hear, hear.) The noble and - learned lori concluded by again imploring that the debate might be allowed to terminate. Earl GREY, wIA was at tint very imperfectly Lewd, thanked the noble and learned lord for the sentiment he h a d expressed, and saki that he concurred in very much th a t h ad fallen front him. Like him, he greatly lamented th e nee .t; of discussions like the present, b u t did not see how , this case, it could have been avoided. AU must admit 'thee there was a great difference between a simple expression la g the mode in which that expression was used ; and It was the peculiar characteristic of the noble lord by whom this charg e had been made in the other house that Le never entered the dissuasion of any great public measure without impaling vile and disgraceful motives to those to whom he wss p . posed. (Hear, hear.) That noble lord. seemed to imare ee that he (Earl Grey) ha I the desire, in some ;,,api• oahy way, to depress and damage the West India commie., hy rue , means, fair or tool. Would it not h ave b een pe r scaly po a .' bible to diecuss the question whether or not protection foreign sugar was really a benefit to the colonies and the mother country without entering into this further diem sion—whether re, as Seen tary of State, and those wto were rssociated with him in office, were endeavouring to supper[ policy which they knew would be ruinous to the West I n g l e colonies, and inconsistent with all f Arens to the colonist*? (Hear, hear.) He protested against this system of alwa viewing with ruspicion the motives of others. Hear, hear.) He must own be bad heard with deep regret, and with an al. teration of the opinion which he lied hitherto entertained al the fairness of the noble lord opp sic iL rd Stanley), whi c h he feared he never could entertain ageiu—(leud cheers),_ he bad heard with doep regret that noble lord take up tlia views of his political all on thin subject, and spea k with all that ingenuity which belonged to him, with all the ability and energy which invariably characterised all be said in that house, and with all the practised art of th. most able %dm. care, for the purpose of attaching to him (Earl Grey)what p a could not call less than an intentional prevaricatien. (H am) That the noble lord should have taken such pains t i o nia home to him that charge was to him moat deeply • (Hear, hear.) The nob • lord had also adopted what h a (Earl Grey) most utterly repudiated—the di.tinetion be. tween the personal end of icial conduct of a man holding a high situation. (Hear, hear.) He mi:ht say these were charges against a minister, hut they were also charges agil e * a man. (Cheep.) He firmly believed, from the little ex. perience he had had in public life, that any one who would shrink from so acting, would elan shrink from making such accusations. (Hear, hear.) He was surprised that the noble lord (Stanley) should have adopted no ungenerous sad so utterly imperfect a view of what was reported to na gs fallen from his noble friend Lord John Russell as the occasion referred to. He utterly dented teat his noble friend had made any such charge or representation with regard to the pursuits of the turf. Olean hear.) It would indeed have been strange for tl.e noble lord, with one of his nearest and dearest relations connected with that branch of national amusement, to have thrown any ungenerous censure on those noblemen and gentlemen who were so engaged. Ihe to.ble lord had done no such thing (Cheers.) Every one knew that the pursuit of racing when adopted from the love of the amusement, arid from (oedema fur the noble animals by which that sport wan carried on, was en amusement perfectly innocent, and one that tenni. buted to some very important national interests. But was it not notorious that there were on the turf, not only them who pursued the amusement in an honourable and manly way as a sport, but others who made it a eon of calling —a pp. feuion the noble lord (J. Russell) had railed it—in the vilest apirit of gambling arid in the love of gain—men who considered that fair, which in any other walk of life would be utterly disgraceful—who talked coolly of what was very much like picking pocket., betting against horses which they knew could not possibly start—and who were in the habit of "paying for information," which meant bribing the savants of trainers and others to obtain the secrets of their m pters' stables? (Cheep,) All his noble friend had said or intended to say was, that the noble lord (G. Bentinck) haying been necessarily brought into contact with persons like there, having devoted a great real of his time ' ingenuity, perseverance, and ability, in detecting the frauds committed by such persons, had centracted a habit of looking with suspicion at the conduct of men who did not deserve it, and of regarding them in the same light as those whose practices and conduct he had been in the habit of investigating and exposing—that he had contracted habits like those of the police, who being continually oa the track of crime, imagined it where it did not coin. (Cheers and laughter.) That was a perfectly fair, legitimate, and just argument. But if his noble friend had been be guiled by the heat of argument into going somewhat beyond the strict line of discretion, he was not only entitled to the warmest gratitude from himself (Earl On y)—he was also entitled to the admiration of their lordships, fro when he himself was attacked, he stood almost alone for the linen. ampled patience, temper, and forbearance with which he invariably met the most difficult attacks, and no man ever saw him betrayed into unnecessary beat—(hear, hear); if he ever was betrayed into indiscretion, it was the indigna• tion of a generous mind at an attick directed against an absent friend. (Cher re.) lie was surprised that the noble lord (Stanley), whom he used to think capable of hick and generous feelings, should not have taken his view of the conduct of Lord J. Russell, but should have represented what he had said in the most invidious light, and have striven to swell the cry most unjustly raised aga.nst him. (Hear, hear.) Such a cc uric was wholly unworthy of the noble lord. (Hear, hear.) After what had fallen from the noble lord, he (Lord Grey) felt he must be content to throw him self on their lordshipa' indulgence; for he confessed he did not feel himself equal, as an advocate, to grapple with Om noble lord in regard to the inferences which he had ingeni ously drawn from scattered passages in a variety of paper, sad from a skilful comparison of dates. He had not the memory to follow the noble lord through those details. Na. turally the question was one not a little agitating to his feel ings; and he did not feel himself capable of unravelling that it genious web of sophistry which the noble lord had woven, as he could do had he the time necessary for the teak. For skilful as the noble lord was .0 that art of " dressing up a cue fat parliament," he never showed that skill is a SON env neat degree than he had done in driving home the poisoned arrow discharged by another. (Cheers.) He would notice two er three points on which the noble lord had dealt. First, with regard to the Trinidad papers; they were moved for in Novem .er, but not Mini; ready before the house adjourned they were resented on the very first day after the recess. He had before him the votes of the House of Commons, which showed that th it was the case. Lord STANLEY—What I stated was, that those paper were not laid before parliament until the debate to which they referred had commenced, and were not printed for the use of memben till near its conclusion. _ Earl GREY repeated that on the very day that parla ment re-assembled, being the earliest practicable day, they were laid on the table of the house ; and, though he could not speak positively from memory, he believed they had been delivered printed to members within a day or two. (Cheers.) The next point was the use he bad made of a despatch of Governor Higginson. He had used that despatch to support the view he took, a view which nothing had occurred to shake. He considered the state ments of governors of colocies of extreme value when relating to matters of fact, but when relating to opinions, of very little value. (Hear, hear.) He considered that the government in this country, taking a much more enlarged view of causes nuanabtt,itointbibbic"ywe,:he 00,.Qui,i_oitico with regec and e ff ects , and!not biassed by the syetaele of great distress p immediately around them, were capable of drawing sounder conclusions from the facts stated than those actua:ly on the spot. That despatch had been communicated to the com mittee of the other house , he believed, among the very first papers that the committee had called for alter the re cess. With regard to Jamaica, the noble lord had laid very great areas on the keeping back of a despatch received on the 22nd of October from Sir Charles Grey. That despatch stated only what was perfectly notorious, the existence of great distress in the Wand, and the opinion of the governor that a change in the duties was necessary. (Hear, hear, from Lord S:anley.) About that there could be no secret; for Sir C. Grey had expressed the same opi nion in opening the colonial legislature, and his speech had app •ar.d in almost every newspaper in England and in the colony ; so that it would have been quite childish to think of concealing that. (Hear.) The last point to which he would allude was the Jamaica memorial. He I ad quoted that do cument merely to prove certain facts which he thought ma terial; and if the report of his speech which the noble lord had quoted were correct, it showed that the memorial was one which had been presented to him by the planters of Ja maica, complaining of rat distress; and whatever might have been the value of the document in his eyes, his argu ment was that the complaining parties had admitted facts which, in his mind, led to a conclusion with regard to the future, di ff erent from the one at which they had themselves arrived. The facts stated, demonstratively led to this conclusion that in a part of the island of Jamaica a very considerable change in society had taken place, and that there was springing up a clan of resi dent planers , leasers of the estates, who were carrying on the cultivation. That fact only he hail quoted ; he had not gone into their particulars about the distress, because the w-ole tenor of his argument was that there undoubtedly existed heavy and grievous distress; but he had endeavoured to show that there were masts in operation which would lead to an improvement. lie was perfectly aware that the memorialists said they could not carry on their cultivation another year ; he adopted their testimony sa to facts, but he did not adopt their opinions. He no more took for granted all they said about the possibility of cultivating sugar in Jamaica than he had taken for granted what had been said by the noble lord opposite and the farmers of this country as to the possibility of carrying on the cultivation of wheat in England. (Cheers eewnh an loiicb d hle la s u ar gh l te hLd r.) bee ln n that we, o e f , ay s s o u wn p. interest as a proprietor of the soil being strongly involved, he had taken the liberty of forming his own judgment as to the cultivation of land in this country ; and he had done the same with regard to Jamaica. (Hear, hear.) If the whole memorial were read, it more strongly supported the argu ment he had addressed to the house, than did the particular passage he had quoted. Be that as it might, the intention of taking any unfair advantage was absolutely negatived by the fact of that memorial, with the other popery, being in cluded in those laid before the committee at a very early stage of its proceedings. (Hear behn , ;iehni h b e bt ar tyh . e ) further into these topics ; and had it not been that what had enter ed_ fallen from him had been distorted, he should not have en tered into them at all, but should have acquiesced in the ad vice given by the noble lord (Brougham) opposite. Lord STANLEY said that with regard to the effect which his statement had produced on the feelings of the noble earl (Grey) towards himself, much an he might regret it, he must submit to it as a consequence of performing what he believed to be his duty. This debate had not been of his seeking: be had not desired the raising of this or any other question ; and the b l u stid ha n d e had woven, himself, noble earl, and by h. n 'a o inl ira t following t o ne nostihlbfler:: tonne , c volunteere d a tl t y t h h ' no ti b e le w eirl ld re n fe o rr t .p.t referring Ihro.etsup pression, i mirbrought wnu g.1.,i cb t : l o ut ti a I lb before fairt those tif :rii nshow eednthpre case s . . looking at particular documents time at which they ought to have been brought forward, and. looking at the particular that some improper interference had taken alai*, and had ground for parties to believe which The n strange pout would take no attention Earl GEE Lord RE that the hou earl and not out to collcci Earl GRI twee to quo little like wl The motia journed at k HOUSE Tim SPEA members Ind Uwe stood Tbellos in addition R. E. Boyle Cobden, Ad W. Ewart, Inglis, W. land, Sir Rutherford Col. Thorny *FAI. 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