18_100754_ General 1946-7_Vol_2
Agency: Department of War
Incident date: 12/30/47

This file contains memorandums and correspondence related to flying disc/saucer sightings and that those are a matter of concern for the Air Materiel Command.

HgAMC Sorm No. Bis (Rev 40 Sep 46) PPE mee Wri JAN 47 200m | i Pettit Say nee | ‘| DECLASSIFIED SAVED wv te Weyven Y asa HEADQUARTERS COMMUNICATION. AND EN- AIR MATERIEL COMMAND VELOPE TO COMMANDING GENER Le \TERIEL COMMAND, ATTENTION TSDIN/maM/ig/6-4100 FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO. — Toe SS ; DEC 1 9 1947 SUBJECT: Flying Discs ‘ TO: Chief of Staff United States Air Force Washington 25, De Co 4 ATTENTION: Director, Research & Development Major General Le C. Craigie 1, Confirming the recent conversation of the undersigned with Major General L. C, Craigie, 9 December 1947, attached as listed below are copies of the reports from this Headquarters concerning Flying Discs. 2, Comments of Headquarters, Air Force on these letters have never been received by this Command, Continued and recent reports from qualified observers concerning this phenomenon still makes this matter one of concern to Headquarters, Air Materiel Command, Intelli- gence Department of this Command is continuing the collection and analysis of all available reports. FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL: @ Hm me He M. McCOY Colonel, USAF Chief of Intelligence 2 Attach: , cc ltr to CG, AAF, dtd 23 Sept 47 subj "AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"" ce ltr to CG, AAF, dtd 2h Sept h7 i ‘ subj “Flying Discs" { . | nN TR > OO) fae U-53791

wad M¢ 8 ce i SUSPENSE DATE: none Vik ow 5 | DATES Deg 47 s2 mh of ‘enom: QIN * 244391 y) FILE DESIGNATION AND DATE: , P’ 97084 type: Hath) MH SMRY> “Arlysin of "Flying Disc’ Reports”, hyp 2 inols. il =o : 5 5 Mes US 2a 0 REPLIED OR INDORSED FES] PRES LACH: THER ACTION?

f Na i ; YP Sais ar Col Cook/2h97/bm oe ‘ “ 2 Scone AFMRS , (2) ‘ / 30 December 19h7 SUBJECT; Flying Discs TOs Commanding General Air Materiel Coumand Wright Field, Vayton, ohic Attn: TSDIN | i Reference is mede to three inclosures, menoranda from I your office to this headquarters, subject as above. l 3 2, << is Air Fores Pelicy not to ignore reports of sight: SS bi) and phenomena in the atmosphere but to recognise that pert or tte” Na mission is to coliect, collate, evaluate and act on information of 3._ In duplenonting thia poliey, it is desired that the air MD Moteriel Command set up = project. pend Me purpose in to collect, “ ) Boe cee etre a nt distribute te interested coverasent agencion and Contr information and iS campo sigh os te otro tec national security, It is desired thet appropriate recomendations ~\\ be forwarded to thie Headquarters, wherever action is indicated A which felis outeide the field of the Air Meteriel Command. Ne ‘\ h. Tt 18 suggested that the activities of this project include oF tne preparation and distribution of an initial report, as reoosnenind a in Inelosure 1, and that owosequent reports be issued on a quarterly aD basis, Supplenentary reports should be issued at more frequent inter- me * vale should the need for same be indicated. bn stab oesal & priority 24, with a security classification of " and Code wr Name of “BTR”, Where date of a classification higher than restricted \ de handled by the project such data should be classified aceontingly. Ny 4 comlote interchsnge of data should be effected as recommended im Inclomure 1, ‘BY COMMAND OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF: ny “ p 97084). 2 b) es cen Hy —. Incle Ma U.S. Ade 4 * sn ah ck Director of Tesearel, and bevelopaent ‘ from ANC to AC/AS~-2 Offles, Deputy Chief of stare : G > Se OFFICE SYMBO} lomo-dtd 2h, cabs: > A Arup ‘a | —— Grave AND ||fvom AMD to AC fay a, : pet coonpinatine ||(Gem MoDoneld) (/ | CA=ekp) |_— Rivsl eptetoc omen 3. emg a aa - i a , hs Ran from Dir of Intel] wera #

a ABUInNGU/ VOL Garrett/ Lwd/h 54h Phas. is) @ 18 Dec '47 Basic Ltr fr Hq. Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Fld, Calif., dated 5 Deo '47, subject: Flying Disc. f AFOIR-CO-5 lst Ind. pa | Dept. of the Air Force, Hq. USAF, Washington 25, D. C. ia DEC 1947, } TO: Commanding General, Fourth Air Force, oo Field, California { —_— CL } 1. The marks appearing on the utente Satna in basic letter | are believed to be defects in the film, paper, or camera and not pictures of "flying discs". \ 2; It is requested that no further investigation be made of this \ incident. ‘ @ FOR THE GIIEF OF STAFF: Lt.’ Colonel, U.S.ARy ae Execiitive, Air Ipvekiigerce: Requirements Dive Incls. Directorate of Intelligence & ~S ~ r S & € S a Teas Baa q1 SS aS “177846 £ aoe File ase ! B/L fr Hq. Fi i : ; py ben es Air Force, Hamilton Fld,Calif. dated 5 Dec '47 h ane nrsnka fenesre f ple erie ge PAFOMAT ey Vy a wu 8 ah oF % BND, Col Taylor Ee 0) A Gj PF. [BET] i BN BY Gol Ga Bete — Cons USAl cooete eae air Vis 16—20240-2_v. 6 GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

V Avs 0 17 Set. 4 aR. $USPENSE DATE: "D424 3 ¥ Egle ignitton YId, calif 4 o og b: FILE DESIGNATION AND DATE: Fy SMRY: i] 3 } Plying Dise! ‘Mary L Herren | a Incls: . REPLIED OR INDORSED TO: | FILED (PLACE): OTHER ACTION?

; en 5 rae AE : HEADQUARTERS POURTH AIR FORCE Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2 Intelligence Hamilton Field, California , it AAPDA*S/1208-1 ue 5 ah eae SUBJECT: Flying Disc. 10s Chief of Staff United States Air Force Washington 25, D. C. ATTN: Director of Intelligence ® ieee NN SS Gy aa, Oren sas “1. The attached photographs were forwarded to this office by a very reliable source of information, obtained from a Mary Le Horr 728 S. W. Bidwell Averue, Portland 2, Oregon. Sho advises se photographs were taken some time between November Sth and 12th, 1946, in the vicinity of Jefferson, Oregon, and points out the formation in the photographs as being objects she did not recall seeing herself but she thought might possibly be flying discs. 2. The objects referred to appear in the sky aroa of each accompanying photographs The uniformity of the markings would tend to indicate that the camera or film used to take these pictures was possibly defective. Wo incidents of flying dises lave been reported from that vicinity on or about the inclusive dates named above. ig $3. Mrs. Herren has requested the return of the negatives. If desired, this office will obtain the negatives and forward them at your request. DONALD L. SPRINGER 3 Inclas Lt. Colonel, USAF Photographs. AC of S, An? INS KS oe Se ae wey eae a al

> Se 0 HEADQUARTERS * AIR MATERIEL COMMAND : 1 RUC a GR TAN BN: TSNAD=2B/ACL/amb are 76 ATTENTION OF FOLLOWING OFFICE.SYMBQL: . WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO _. TSHADeRbaES* 18 NOV 1947 SUBJECT: Flying Discs fred) +o” TO: Chief of Staff United States Air Force ‘ Washington 25, D. Ce , ATTENTION; Office, Director of Intelligence Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr, ‘TT q ge 1. The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted for your informa- tion and comment, The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the "Dayton Journal" on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possible, 2 2. The story by Lionel Shapiro regarding war weapons developed in Spain evidently was printed in a number of leading newspapers throughout (es the countrye The significance of this article will be dependent upon cer- d tein essential elements for such alleged important developments, such as OS funds, materials, experimental testing facilities, and technological ™mnow-how". The latter is supposed to be supplied by German scientists. » The German scientists at this Hq indicate that no importent scientists from Germany are working in Spain, end those mentioned in this article 4) are not known to them, \ 3, If possible, therefore, an effort should be made to obtain names, a qualifications, or any information that might help to identify the alleged \ @& Germen scientists working in Spain. dS 4, A brief statement was mde in a recent intelligence report from $ Hg, USAF, AC/AS=2, regarding o flying disc incident in Alaske in September, ; The close range sighting reported should render « more detailed observation | then whet was reported, which also suggests a follow-up. c 5, It is further requested that this office be advised as to progress ~~ peing made on the plotting of all flying disc incidents to date, particu- hi jerly in North America, It was understood that Dr. Carroll was going to we plot these incidents, but no further word was received regarding this ef- \ Sorte 7/ R THE COMMANDING GENERALS / Uke, Re ent 4, MS / 1 Sips ea HM. MeCOY = ee ne newspaper clippings olonel, Air Corps epee ene i ‘ OT a

HqAMC Form No. 10-514 (Rev. 1 Aug 45) cro! SAVE) maa 3 _CONPIDEN TIAL ; -- ee HEADQUARTERS AIR MATERIEL COMMAND DDRESS BOTH COMMUNICATION. AND EN: TSNAD-2B /ACL/emb VELOPE TO ATTENTION OF FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO. TSNAD=2B de vcabtean'gs 24 NOV 1947 SUBJECT: ‘ying Discs ASH TO: Chief of Staff United States Air Force Washington 25, D. C. =, ATTENTIONs Office, Director of Intelligence Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr. Reference letter, subject as above, dated 18 November 1947, it is requested that immediate action be taken to appropriately mark or stamp this correspondence with the classification "secret", This classifice- tion number is as follows: U-48983 FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL: hf Of Ha tbt- He Me MeCOY colonel, USAF > Chief of Intelligence 0 4A j ct Cael CoO Na (Seve 9 Ye oe DIF Be ic, OPN NE Ao eee ag 3 ae We ‘ ' site Bee oF < — 5 iy 1 Wn / “A WF-L-29 APR 46 300M

-. Mire gent No, 10-514 (Rev 10 Sep 46) WF-L-7 JAN 47 300M HEADQUARTERS COMMUNICATION. AND” EN: AIR MATERIEL COMMAND VELOPE TO COMMANDING COMMAND, ATTENTION. TSDIN/MM/ig/6-4100 FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO is > ‘ 4 TSDIN EP 2 8 1947 SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning “Flying Discs" TO: Commanding General Army Air Forces Washington 25, De C. — ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen Ac/as-2 1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs", This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T=-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer- —~ ing Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T~2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T=3. 2e It is the opinion that: a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. 3 be ‘There are objects probably approximating the shape of a @ disc, of such appreciable size as to appear tobe as large as man-made aircraft. Ce There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteorse de The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air- craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely. ee The apparent commen description of the objects is as follows:- (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface. _ if 5 ; ‘ U=39552 ) 7 Yuck" >

: 4 ; Basic Ltr fr CG, ANC, WF to CG, AAF, Washe De Ce subj "AMC Opinion Con- cerning "Flying Discs". i ‘ (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the object apparently was operating under high perfor= mance conditions. (3) Girevlar or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on tope (kh) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects. (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantial rumbling roar was noted. (6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are esti- @ matede < fe It is possible within the present Ue Se knowledge -- pro- vided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a ‘ piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds. ge Any developments in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex- pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in- dependently of existing projectse he Dve consideration mst be given the following:- : (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin - the product of some high security project rip) not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command. : (2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these objects. (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge. 3. It is recommended thats+- ae Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommemlations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 1 3 of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every Se ak as the investi- ~2- u-39592

nT aS SN ae ec Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to CG, AAF, Washe DeCe subj "AMC Opinion Con- cerning "Flying Discs" gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected. he Awaiting a specific directive AMC will contime the investi- gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Informtion will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels. No F. TWINING WA, Lieutenant General, UeSeAs re Comm. nding , 3= U=39552

Ha iD Very OS Ace = Ly Gt TSDIN/HMM/i g/6-1,100 23 September 1917 TSDIN SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs" TO: Commanding General Army Air Forces Washington 25, D. C, ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen Ac/AS-2 1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer— ing Division T-3, This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3. 2, It is the opinion that: a, The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. ; be. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a @ dise, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft, ce. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors. d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which * ‘ must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air- craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that som of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely. e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows; (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface, > 2 GF C%, fan < 2 £ OS feo CO Re te U-39552 HOY 4, LD Neo OG dpsyles U

: Basic Ltr fr Cd, AMC, Wi’ 'to CO, AAPy Waeh. D.C.-subj “AiG Opinion Con- corning “Plying, Dises" . | (2) Absence of trail, except in'a few inetances when the K object apparently was operating under high” perfor- ‘ mance conditions. . a - 43) Circular‘or elliptical in ‘shapa, flat on totton and ‘ : domed on top. ‘ . (hy) Several ‘reports of well kept formation flights varying <<) ~ 5) > from: three to.nine objects. i es . (5) Normally no assooiated sdund, except in three instancea .~ Mg Near: ¢ @ substantial rumbling .roar was noted. ('-) ° E / Z . " : (6). Level: flight speeds normally above 500 imota, are eati- ie _£. “It iw possible’ within the present U..S. knowledge — pro)” vided extensive detailed development is undertaken --'to ¢onstruct a: ht ne piloted aircraft which hasthe general: description of the obdject in sube : paragraph, (e) above which would be’ capable of an approximate range of . e 7000 miles at aubsonic speeds. 2 ¢ RR ie rh Na Ere ‘ vi ree “Any developments in this country along the lines indicated 4 es ; ~ would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable exe 4) ¥, pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up ine’ dependently of existing projects. 7 ‘ : Wen las f ee ° ; gai ae tue consideration mist be given the followiaigna dae he ne he siete (2) The possibility that these objects are.cf domatic | 7) DQ y * : , ovigin’- the product of some high security project’ = s a) ae, not known to AG/AS-2\0r thin Command. 0) bea ey ea Se RY the Lael or phyeidad eviadnoe'4n the ‘dhape ef évash. 22 ‘ os) pegsvered exhibits which would undeniably prove the 9 6: : eas 2 existance of these objects. : RACE RU Ta ew (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form) ‘ baa of proppleion possibly niclear, which is outside of - ei : ts our domestic Imowledge. 4 nt ; hens eget os , 3. Ib 49 recomended thati~" SR ST oP Sith ae ‘ va Racy t a tleadquerters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning = & priority, poate Classification ana ade Name for a detailed ah ot a dae this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of oll available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the jrny, Navy, — | _, Atomio Energy Commigeion, JRDB, the Air Force Selentif'ie Advisory Group, , NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, = =~ “with a pr page report to be forwarded within 15 days of reveion of Fao its the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the inve hm Me

NA ENP Es RES ERS ACR OS : aed oo Py j Basic Ltr fr CG, AMC, WF to 0G, AAF, Wash. D.C. Subj "AMC opinion Con- cerning "Flying Discs" gation develope. A complete interchange of data should be effected. 4. Awaiting a specific directive AM¢ will continue the investi- gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the pehnomenon. Detailed tssential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately. for transmittal thru channels. N. F. TWINING Iieutenant General, U.S.*. Commanding Jw, 80 24 - h Ppsbein LL ke, 8h Guz — ip fare Ct Penk, ~ 061 rma Plat Tok r Bh. abate. 7° 3. ; po 8a ee = f [ k eo bes ENE 0-39552 COPY

Na eS he 's he oh te ‘ t * Aw COP Y, a TSWAD-2B/ACL: eee 2h September 1947 TSN4D~2B SUBJECT; “Flying Disc* Tos Commanding General Army Air Forces Washington 25, De C. ATTN: AC/AS-2 Major General George McDom 1d 1... In compliance with General McDonald's telephone conversa- tion, this date, to Colonel H. Me McCoy, T-2, Hg» AMC, attached herewith is a copy of a drawing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc", designated LD-2, Because of patent rights involved, it is reques- ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewing this drawing by witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing. 2. This drawing should be returned to this office when it has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the ote Office Hq. AMC for official record. a py a : - oR BLS 2.) Chifley LAL C 3. _Inclosed herewith is also a report prepared by the Royal pre aid Establishment, Technical Note, AERO 1703, which describes the Horie ae Aas seer The following references are invited which is considered significant in relating the Horten brothers per— @ spective thinking and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying cer" cases a. Page 5, Paragraph and 6. be Page 6, Paragraph 1 and 7. c. Page 26, Paragraph 3 and 10. d. Page 27, Paragraph 12, e. Page 28, Paragraphs 1 through 5. f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola".« “SE RPET - U-399L2 Sil of copy

Sere SECRET \ Pats o wa We hat) !? c ye Basic ltr, dtd 2, Sep 47, to CG, Hq AAF, Wash, subj: "Flying Disco" g@- Page 69, The Horten VIII. h. Pages 71 and 72, Photographs of the Horten IX Versions. i. Page 74, Drawing of the "Parabolat. This document should also be returned when it has served its. intended 4 tee (2s 2%. Ltflang - Kithdcn f kh. A -recent report from the U. 5, Military athache, Moscow, USSR, dated 9 dune 197, indicates that 1600 aircraft, directly or indirectly based on the Horten VIII design (six engine pusher, having a wing spread @ of 131 feet and a gross weight of approximately thirty-three thousand pounds) are being built for bomber squadron use. The Russian version, however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No, is V-32291-8, ‘ 10-355, 5. The T-2 report "German Flying Wings Designed by Horten Brothers" No. F-SU-1110-lid, also inclosed herewith, may be rtained by your office if desired. $ FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL: H, M. Mccoy Colonel, air Corps Deputy Commanding General @ Intelligence (T-2) 3 Incls: 1. Drawing 2 2. RAE Tech Note, AERO 1703 4 a ae 3. T-2 Rpt, No. F-SU-1110-sD) / <+2é Agni ii 7209) [pbs ¥7 Ponerhvi CO Ne koe Q ww SD wap coPY U-399h2

J “ORM No. MR-1 (2) aN. > DATE: i eae : 30 Oct 47 INDEX: 0009 Flying Saucer - Phenomena a To: CSGID, Plans api Collection Bra oh FROM: Chief, Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC/S-2 SUMMARY: Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Areraft DF FILED: 350.09 Intelligence : : INDEXER: © REMARKS: ; , @ Ke: Annes Acie TA 7 HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM Oe eae Can! MR aS, Ween a ame rip are

5 Wrtn 22 Oct 1947 B/u fm AMC, Subj: "Flying Discs", @td 1% Uct 47 Lt Col Garrett /dl/a544 AFBIR-CO-5 APBIR-CO-5. 1st Ind T 194 Dept. of the Air Force, Hq., USAF, Washingtot 25, D.C. 2&8. oct 1947 To: Commanding General, Air Materiel Conmand, Wright Pield, Ohio (attentions 7-2). 1. A representative of this headquarters has contacted Lt. Colonel Herbert ©. Gee concerning Mrs. Merchant's theory on the flying dises, Qe expressed to General Brentnall. 7 ty ; ‘2, It 4s recommended thet'no action be taken to interrogate Mrs. ¥erchant and that this case be closed. ® BY ORDER OF THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE: ft ; ‘ Inels - n/e DOUGLASS W. EISEMAN Lt+ Colonel, Aie-Corpa USAF _ +. Bxeoutive, Vir Intel Requirements Division “43 ‘ Office of Ass't Chiler of Ait Staff-2 S ARAB : ah & 8 0C7 1947 ee gel © ® pe ee: SS : oS P 9454g : ; 3 | a 4 - t 4 rete A Wow) 2 SIGNATURE OF Fue dealn adh tags A Resronsisie Orvicer {[ et Jaeky os nce | Soom tos PLlgs poo Brig.|Gep-» Ysa Tacha eae ee at | 16~a9245-1 _u, s, govennnest rennTING OFFICE

TTrvET. wae eS , Headquarters ‘AIR MATERIEL. COMEAND. | TSNAD-2B/ACL/ame TSNAD-2B Wright Pield, Dayton, Ohio 13 .Oct 1947 SUBJECT: “-"Flying Discs" TO: “thier of starfi< 7 : United States Air Force Washington 25, D.C. ATIN: © ac/As-2 Lt Col George Garrett é 1. Attached copies of communications are’ self-explanatory 5 and indicate ‘action taken to obtain additional information regerding aD subject.» Assistance shown. from Lt Col Herbert C. Gee was with’ ' reference to the social standing srid character of Mrs. Merchant to determine justification for further investigation of her theories. 2." In view of Lt Col Gee's transfer to Washington, D. C., it is suggested that a representative from Headquarters, AG/AS-2 con- tact. and interview him. 82 Generel Brentnall stated that Mrs. Merchant was extremely talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting a personal enterprise instead of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem. . : 4. \ Comments) and suggestions, therefore, regarding further action to-interrogate Mrs. Merchant would be appreciated in) order to close this case as soon 4s possible. i @ FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL: sy . /s/ Wi. Rs Clingeman, Col., A. C.* ; for 2 Incls H. My McDOY . : ' 1. Cy AMC, 1-2 Ltr, 9/29/47, Colonel, Air Corps "Flying Discs" Deputy Commanding General 2. Cy lst Ind, 10/2/47, fr Intelligence (T-2) me r- Hq. Kirtland Field, 5 ‘ Albuquerque, New Mexico a y 0. a . as

any - ‘A SE ui —— é te) Pp. ¥ é 29~September 1947 13-Oct-1947. { SUBJECT: "Flying Di'scs" : TO# Commanding Officer ; Operating Location No. 16 of : 751s. AAFBU (01st AACS. Sq) ‘ % Kirtland Field Albuquergue, New Mexico y ATING: “Col. Howard..G. Bunker : aie General Brentnall, .during «recent visit at Las-Vegas, . j Was) Contacted by a\lirs./Madelina Gwynne Merchant, Sante Fe, New i : a Mexico,’ whe described what may be termed! a novel theory conterning ° 3 r 2 “flying Discs". : ‘ 2. °* Recording to her thoery, “Flying Dises" are being) fired froma locality) in ‘Central Mexito’from a laboratory which is x $ being opereted by the Russians. She cleims they are being @imed : at the United Stetes for the purpose of sighting in on! important ‘ ‘ atomic energy and sircraft installations. spies + 8. General Brentnall states that he does not have eny further interest in an interrogation of Mrs. Merchant since it is z : not an engineering matter. However, he recommends that if Hg, Air me Materiel Command, 1-2, wishes to sponsor an interrogation of: this : neture that Col, Howard Bunker should be contadted to determine the name end.address of thé colonel at Las Vegas who has knowledge \ of this case. In view of General Brentnall's suggestion, no i = direet contact will be made with Mrs. Merchent. i t ® v4 4.° It is*reguested, therefore, that the name and address of youl ‘ the above mentioned colonel be made available to this office as Soon as possible so that further action, as deemed advisable, can be taken. : ss FOR THE, COMMANDING GENERAL: ‘ : [sf MiB, Goll | H. M. McCoy Y : ; Colonel, Air Corps y , ' Deputy Commanding Genesal : ‘ : Intelligence® (1-2) ‘ 0 %, ‘4 ‘ ie) : : P x . ii KS hil #/ j

< af > , Teta? NT a) iad . B/u. Pr qs, WIC, Wright Ficld,. Deyton, Ohio, File TSNAD-23, 29 Sep 47, Subj:) ‘Flying Discs” ist) Ind HGB:ms HEADQUARTERS, Kirtland Field, Albuquerque, New Mexico, (2 October 1947 TO: “Commanding General, Air Materiél Command; Wright Field, Ohio rt ATTENTION: “P52: o 1. Thes Officer referred to in Par. 3.is Lt, Col. Herbert 0. "Gee, 0-19717, who was formerly Commanding Officer at Los Alamos rather than Las Vegas, as stated. Lt, Col. Cee isinow stationed in the office, : Chief of Pngineers, Civil Works. Division,* Washington,:}: C. 2.) There is no replacement for Lt, Col. Gee ot bos Alamos and no “information is available to indicate that any individual in this' vicinity a has more information (concerning Mrs. Merchant's theory than Brig. Gen. @ Brentnall of AMC who personally conducted’ an interview with’ her. : f HOWARD Gx BUNKER .~ 4 ‘ ‘i Colonel, AC \ pa elet we 2 :

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. ey ¥ " / Y AFBIR-CO/Lt Col Garrett/df/4544 | j 4 6 Oct 46 ,y y j te pee Of 5 FS. | a OF ) Basic: Ltr fr Ho, AMC)Wright Fla, Dayton,0. 24 Sept 47, Subj: "Flying Saucers" RN S Reh: Oye of Incloures in A-2 Tiles <£ P $4380 G8 RAE ea Bee 1947. S [ | cS i * AFBIR-OG-B Let Ind SS Department of the Air Yoroe, Hq, USA, Vashingbon 26, D. 0, ( -& OCT 1947 /> 0s Commanad; Na dee neat Ton bags ae Air Materiel Commnd, Wright Meld, Dayton, Ohio 3 : /W Attached herete 1a information vequssted in basic letters BY ORDER OF THR SRORCPARY OF RHY AIR FoROE: DOUGLASS W. EISEMAH yoRF e 4 -. wt. Colonel, Air-Cerzé (3 inate -SEGRET. Exeoutive,. Air Intel, Requirements Diviste OFFICE SYMBOL [a ese ef Fe a ey L)) Aparato GRADE AND @ |b Meme / nf / a 2, 61 Taylor Waa SURNAME OF 2 Oot 47 V ( Steriia COORDINATING }j___<{ Uh ® en ea 320 Soh @ OFFICERS 3 } Summary of 1 on "Untdentilfiea 7 Milecta® Lt Col Gapres Aptis USA | To—tozaa-go. 8. covennnnit Medine omnice

c ° P YT HEADQUARTERS AIR MATERIEL COMMAND ; TSNAD-23/ACL/ame Wright F1d,Dayton,0. 24 Sept 47 TSMAD-23 "Flying Saucers" Commanding General, Army-Air Force, Washingtg, 25 0.o, AMM: AG/AS<2, Et'Gol Garrett ‘ It is requestsd that this office be furnished allfavailable dnformation concerning an alleged "Flying Saucer" flight sighting made by @ radar station in Japan. Phis incident was mentioned by ) Dr. Charles Carroll during a conference in Brig Gen Schulgen's eB office attended by Mr. A.C. Loedding, 1-2 representative, on 5 September 1947, f FOR THE COMMANDING GENURAL! ; /s/-MeZ.GoiL /t/ HLM, MccoY ; Colonel, Air Corps Deputy Commanding General ; Intelligence T-2 " te aaah * 7

‘ ‘ nie ~ AFEIR=Cu/Tt Col. Garrett /mm/h5ld, / 8) Sept 447 41 SEP: WAT ‘ SUVECT: Reported Sightings of Flying Discos. PBs: ; TO + Commanding General Air Materiel Command rt Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio may ; Attention: 1-2. | 1. Ks arranged verbally with Mr. Loedding, inclosed is the complete file maintained. by thie Office on reported sightings of . Flying Discs. Ri ® 2.. This File is forwarded so that photostate may be made in f S order to provide your Command with a duplicate set of these sightings. NY ; 3. When photostating this material for your. purpose, it wild 7 be appreciated if one extra set is made for this Office and returned at the sane time the originale are returned. SN 4. This file, and the duplicates, should be returned as econ © as possible to this Headquarters, Attention: AC/AS=2, Alp Intelligence Requirenents Division, Collection Branch. ; BY COMMAND OF GENERAL SPAATZ: iS ra < Y - ; ! : : eg P 93805 pOUELASS We Siete nga a/e in = Be eat Tatels Requirements Divisio, ; “parted do. AAFP Ostice of Asa't Chief of Air Statf-2 ~ fai) ee eee ornice eyMBOL | “ApBIR-cU =) |= ABSIA |e Sint ae GRADE AND || Col. Tayton, 3rd|_ Abcgnvacmns TENAME OF ; hae Pe Schuigen SS eee COORDINATING }{_- de us ie eee ae OrnBD NE od Garrett! a aon heir gS od { dr BU Cay ds wale lo—aoagr-a 9,8 overtnons euarite Orrice

yar RESTRICTED HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES aa | NO. ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET ee SUBJECT: Flying Saucer Phenomena TO: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development DATE 22 August 1947 COMMENT No.2 ___ FROM: AC/AS-2, Air Intelligence Requirements Division It Col Garrett/nc/4544 Collection Branch 1. From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers, selected for their veracity and reliability, it is apparent that several aspects of their appearance have a common pattern. 2. Before pursuing its investigation of these objects any further, this Office requests assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at present being -t-flown, has the following characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed We recent flying saucer "mystery" is not of United States origin: a. Surface is metallic - indicating a metallic skin, at least. b. When a trail is observed, it is a lightly colored blue—brown haze, similar to a rocket engine's exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observation indicates that the fuel may be throttled, which would indicate a liquid rocket engine. ¢c, As to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at least elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top. d. Size estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation as they would appear while flying at 10,000!, e. Some reports describe two tabs located at the rear and symmetrical about @ axis of flight motion. f. Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots. ge The dises oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking. TUHoQ. 3% ROBERT TAYLOR 3RD Colonel, Air Corps Chief, Collection Branch Air Intelligence Requirements Division i AC/AS~2 PAGE : Benes, AF (REV 20 MAY 4a)

"FORM No. MR-t (4) DATE: 5 Aug 47 i ——————————————————————d - INDEX: 000.9 Phenomena TO: Chief, Intelligence Group, Intelli,;ence Division, War Dept Gen Staff FROM: Executive, Air Intel, Requirements Division, AC/AS-2 SUMMARY: Request for F. B. I. Investigetion on Background of Certain Witnesses @ to "Flying Discs", ; t Memo FILED: 333.5 Investigation ; INDEXER: ejb ; REMARKS: , HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM ee ores

Se, RESTRICTED i) HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES ae a No. ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET Ee No. To: Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC/ss-2 i DATE 4 Attn: Collection Branch AUG 2 9 1947 f é COMMENT No.2 _ FROM: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development Mr ys Gaaee The Army Air Forces has no research project with the characteristics described iin Comment No. 1. Wessex: SIAN CO) AR q URTIS E. LeMAY APDRE Major General, U. S. Army Deputy Chief of Air Staff for AFDRE-2 a bes Research and Development AF DRE-3. ‘J x ES AF DEEL, Gti biker ey 2 hl 321109, AF (REV 20 MAY 44) RESTRICTED