DENIED: May 27, 2008 
CBCA 581 
HERRE BROS., INC., 
Appellant, 
v. 
DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS, 
Respondent. 
Jason A. Copley and Robert G. Ruggieri of Cohen, Seglias, Pallas, Greenhall & 
Furman, PC, Philadelphia, PA, counsel for Appellant. 
Kenneth B. MacKenzie and Phillipa L. Anderson, Office of General Counsel, 
Department of Veterans Affairs, Washington, DC, counsel for Respondent. 
Before Board Judges HYATT , SHERIDAN , and WALTERS . 
SHERIDAN , Board Judge. 
This appeal arises out of a dispute between the appellant, Herre Bros., Inc. (Herre 
Bros.), and the respondent, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA),under contract 
V595C-644 to “REPLACE AIR HANDLING UNITS, B[UILDING] 1” at the VA Medical 
Center (VAMC) in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, “in accordance with the terms and conditions of 
IFB [invitation for bids] 595-28-04.”  Herre Bros. seeks an award of $70,177.45 for asbestos 
and lead abatement work it performed that was outside the contract scope of work. 

   
  
 
   
  
 
  
  
 
 
 
 
    
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We deny the appeal, because the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal Herre 
Bros. performed was clearly required by the terms of the contract. 
Statement of Facts 
On July 8, 2004, the VA issued IFB 595-28-04, soliciting bids to demolish and 
remove the existing air handling units in building 1 at the VAMC, and provide the labor and 
materials to replace those units. Appeal File, Exhibit 2.  Appeal File, Exhibit 2.  The IFB 
also included, among other things, specification section 01569, Asbestos Abatement, and 
section 02090, Lead Paint Removal.  Appeal File, Exhibit 2.
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Specification section 01569.1.1.2 sets forth a description of the extent of the work and 
the estimated quantities of asbestos containing materials (ACM) that were to be abated. 
These quantities included: 
1315 SF [square feet] of black outer flashing material on fiberglass-insulated 
duct work associated with AC [air conditioning unit] 7-1 and AC 8-1.  Also 
include black flashing and putty seam sealant on aluminum-casing around 
fiberglass-insulated piping.  All of material shall be handled as non-friable 
asbestos material.  The equipment lies on the roof. 
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8 LF [of ACM piping] and 4 mudded fittings in the Ground Floor Clinical 
Laboratory Mechanical room (room contains AC 13-1). 
62 LF, 12 mudded fittings, and 1 vibration isolation collar in the Ground Floor 
Morgue Mechanical room (room contains AC 10-1). 
60 LF, 25 mudded fittings in the Attic Mechanical Room (room contains AC 
5-1). 
Appeal File, Exhibit 2. 
1   Specification section 01010, General Requirements, contained, among other items, 
the phasing requirements of the project and specifically noted that, in phases V through IX, 
removal of lead paint was required.  Appeal File, Exhibit 2. 

 
 
    
   
          
  
    
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Specification section 02090.1.1 addressed the removal of lead paint on structural 
supports and columns in building 1.  The structural supports and columns were identified as 
including: 
a.  2nd floor exterior mechanical area (AC 7-1, 8-1) - white and grey unit 
platform steel structural support beams. 
b.  5th floor mechanical area (AC 6-1) - grey structural support columns. 
c.  Attic mechanical area (AC 4-1) - grey structural support columns. 
Appeal File, Exhibit 2. 
The IFB also included drawing 1-HAZ1, which contained six drawing notes 
addressing asbestos abatement and lead paint removal stating: 
1.  Abate lead paint on grey structural support columns. 
2.  Abate 30 linear feet of asbestos piping and 10 asbestos mudded fittings. 
3.  Abate 8 linear feet of asbestos piping and 4 asbestos mudded fittings. 
4.  Abate 62 linear feet of asbestos, 12 asbestos mudded fittings and 1 
vibration collar. 
5. Abate black outer flashing material on fiberglass-insulated duct work, black 
flashing putty, and seam sealant aluminum-casing around fiberglass insulated 
piping.  Material is non-friable. 
6.  Abate lead paint on white and grey platform steel structure support beams. 
Appeal File, Exhibit 3. The drawing showed the areas in the building where each of the 
notes pertaining to an abatement was to be performed.  Id . 
The VA held a pre-bid conference for prospective bidders at the VAMC on 
August 12, 2004.  Appeal File, Exhibit 5; Transcript at 9. The pre-bid conference included 
a meeting and a walk-through of the areas containing the air handling units in building 1. 
Transcript at 26-27.  The VA’s contracting officer, Mr. Benjamin Grogg, attended the pre-bid 
conference, as did Mr. Steve Hammer, the contracting officer’s technical representative 
(COTR), and Mr. Grant Ruhl from the VAMC.  Appeal File, Exhibit 5. In addition to Herre 

  
  
  
          
  
    
    
   
  
      
   
 
 
 
     
  
      
   
    
   
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Bros., two other prospective bidders attended the pre-bid conference, Preferred Sheet Metal 
and McClure Mechanical Services.  Id .; Transcript at 26. A representative from Burdette, 
Koehler, Murphy & Associates, Inc. (BKM), the architectural/engineering (A/E) firm 
retained by the VA to design the project, also attended.  Appeal File, Exhibit 5. 
Mr. Craig Seig attended the pre-bid conference on behalf Herre Bros. Appeal File, 
Exhibit 5; Transcript at 26. Mr. Seig is an estimator who has been involved in preparing 
construction estimates for approximately twenty years and has significant experience as an 
estimator in mechanical contracting. Transcript at 23-24.  Prior to being employed by Herre 
Bros., Mr. Seig worked for McClure as an estimator.  Id. at 23.  Mr. Seig testified that, during 
the pre-bid conference, the contracting officer informed the prospective bidders that the 
asbestos abatement and lead paint removal work outlined in the IFB would be performed by 
the VA.  Id . at 27.  Whereupon, Mr. Seig, who was at the time taking notes, asked Mr. 
Grogg:  “‘The contractor, we’re not to do abatement?’ and it was stated, ‘Yes, you don’t do 
that.’”  Id. at 27. Mr. Seig testified further that Mr. Grogg told prospective bidders that either 
the VAMC would take care of the work or the contracting officer would execute a 
supplemental agreement with the contractor to do the abatement.  Id. at 27, 37.  Mr. Seig says 
that Mr. Grogg stated the VA would address asbestos abatement on a situation-by-situation 
basis, depending on what the VAMC wanted to do after it was notified of the additional 
work.  Id . at 65. An undated, handwritten document, prepared by Mr. Seig and titled 
“Lebanon VA Hospital Pre-Bid,” contains a notation “ABATEMENT - By VA, Contractors 
Don’t.”  Appeal File, Exhibit 15; Transcript at 28-29.  Mr. Seig stated he returned from the 
pre-bid conference and immediately began working on Herre Bros.’ bid proposal for the 
project. Transcript at 25.  He testified that he relied on Mr. Grogg’s statement that the VA 
would be responsible for all abatement work when he prepared Herre Bros.’ bid for the 
project.  Id. at 25-26. 
Mr. Grogg denies that he told prospective bidders at the pre-construction conference 
that the VA would be performing the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal set forth in 
the specifications.  When asked if he recalled making any statement regarding asbestos 
abatement or lead paint removal, Mr. Grogg acknowledged that he did make a statement 
about asbestos abatement: 
I make the statement, [the] same statement at all of our pre-bid conferences, 
and that is, if the contractors run into any asbestos or lead paint abatement that 
is not listed in the contract, the drawings or specifications, that they should 
stop work immediately and notify the Government, and then we would do one 
of two things, either we would take care of it from there or we would do a 
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situation by situation basis, depending on what we want to do after we’re 
notified of the additional work. 
Transcript at 65.  Mr. Grogg testified that he never stated that the VA would be responsible 
for the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal work that was called for in the contract 
specifications and drawings.  Id . 
Mr. Hammer testified that he did not recall Mr. Grogg telling prospective bidders that 
the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal work set forth in the IFB would be performed 
by the VA.  Transcript at 73-74. Mr. Hammer confirmed that Mr. Grogg made the statement 
during the pre-bid conference that he usually makes on all projects “that if [contractors 
bidding on the project] encounter any additional asbestos that was not included in the original 
contract, they are to stop their work and inform me immediately and then I will, in turn, 
inform [the contracting officer] that we have additional work that needs to be done.”  Id. 
Mr. Seig’s estimate formed the basis of Herre Bros.’ bid.  Transcript at 31.  Herre 
Bros. did not include money in its bid to perform the asbestos abatement or lead paint 
removal called for by the specifications and drawings.  Id . at 32; Appeal File, Exhibit 15. 
Mr. Seig also testified that, based on his experience, owners typically take full responsibility 
for the performance of asbestos and lead abatement work on a project even though the 
language in the specifications indicates that the abatement work is included in the 
contractor’s scope of work. Transcript at 31, 38, 57-58. Mr. Seig additionally testified that 
he had never encountered a situation where Herre Bros., rather than the owner, was 
responsible for performing hazardous material abatement.  Id. at 30. 
Prior to award, the VA amended the solicitation three times, with none of the 
amendments specifically addressing the asbestos abatement or lead paint removal work 
described in the solicitation.  Appeal File, Exhibits 4, 6, 7.  Herre Bros. did not seek 
clarification on why an amendment had not been issued to delete the asbestos and lead paint 
abatement work set forth in the specifications and drawing contained in the IFB.  Transcript 
at 33. 
On September 3, 2004, the Appellant submitted its bid of $1,900,900, including in its 
bid package sections 01569 and 02090.  Appeal File, Exhibits 2, 8. Five bids were received, 
with Herre Bros. the low bidder and McClure the second low bidder at $1,935,000.  Id ., 
Exhibit 8.  On September 10, 2004, Herre Bros. was awarded contract V595C-644 in the 
amount of $1,900,900.  Id ., Exhibit 9. 
Approximately sixty days after the award of the contract, Herre Bros. mobilized and 
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2005. Appeal File, Exhibit 10. Six supplemental agreements were entered into by the VA 
and Herre Bros. that added work and extended the contract completion date to June 8, 2006. 
Id., Exhibits 10-13. 
A pre-construction conference which Messrs. Grogg and Hammer attended, was 
conducted on October 1, 2004.  Appeal File, Exhibit 16.  Mr. Bradford Hamm, the Herre 
Bros. project manager assigned to oversee the project, recollects that, during the meeting, he 
told Messrs. Grogg and Hammer that Herre Bros. was not responsible for the abatement 
work.  Transcript at 41, 59, 61-63; Appeal File, Exhibits 14-15.  He testified that Mr. 
Hammer told him the work was Herre Bros.’ responsibility.  Transcript at 45-47: Appeal File, 
Exhibit 14. 
Mr. Hammer does not recall having a discussion at the pre-construction conference 
about asbestos abatement or lead paint removal.  Transcript at 74.  He remembers that the 
first time he heard that Herre Bros. had not included money in its bid for the asbestos 
abatement and lead paint removal work was in a meeting between Mr. Hamm and Herre 
Bros.’ subcontractors, “sometime in June or July of 2005.”  Id. The record contains a Herre 
Bros. sign-in sheet for a job site meeting held on July 20, 2005, which Messrs. Hammer and 
Hamm attended, along with several of Herre Bros.’ subcontractors. Appeal File, Exhibit 19. 
Mr. Grogg did not attend this meeting.  Id .  Mr. Hammer testified that at the end of that 
meeting: 
[Mr.] Hamm brought up to me that he didn’t think Herre Bros. was responsible 
for the asbestos and lead paint abatement and I then told him he needed to go 
see [Mr. Seig] if that is what you believe, because it’s in the contract and it’s 
in the drawing requirements. 
Transcript at 74-75.  Mr. Hammer denied hearing about the abatement issues prior to that 
meeting.  Id . 
Mr. Grogg testified under oath that the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal 
issues were not discussed at the October 1, 2004, pre-construction meeting and had they been 
raised during the meeting, he would have asked that the issues be addressed in writing. 
Transcript at 67, 70.  According to Mr. Grogg, Herre Bros. did not raise the asbestos 
abatement and lead paint removal issues with him until the letter of April 20, 2006, discussed 
below.  Transcript at 70; Appeal File, Exhibit 14.  Herre Bros.’ notes of a job site meeting 
held on November 3, 2004, make no mention of the asbestos abatement or lead paint removal 
issues.  Appeal File, Exhibit 19.  On March 16, 2005, Herre Bros. submitted a project 
schedule, showing that Herre Bros. planned to perform the asbestos abatement work from 
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On April 20, 2006, over twenty months from the pre-bid conference of August 12, 
2004, and eighteen months after the pre-construction conference of October 1, 2004, Mr. 
Hamm wrote a letter to “confirm” with Mr. Grogg certain events.  In that letter Mr. Hamm 
contended: 
During the pre-bid meeting . . . you stated that the asbestos and lead abatement 
would be performed by the VA, and not by the contractor.  As a result, we did 
not include the cost of this work in our original bid.  This will confirm that we 
discussed this issue with you and Steve Hammer on 10/1/04 at the pre-
construction conference. 
Nevertheless, Steve Hammer directed Herre Bros. to proceed with the work as 
he asserted it was in our contract.  This letter will also confirm that we are 
proceeding with performance [of] this work in accordance with the directive 
of Mr. Hammer.  Please be advised that Herre Bros. reserves its right to make 
a claim for all additional costs associated with performing the abatement and 
is proceeding under protest. 
Appeal File, Exhibit 14.  Mr. Grogg did not respond to this letter.  Transcript at 69-70. 
Herre Bros., via its subcontractors, performed the asbestos abatement and lead paint 
removal work set forth in the contract. Transcript at 77.  The work was performed between 
April and June 2006.  Id . at 77-78. Herre Bros. and the VA stipulate that the VA was made 
aware of the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal issues prior to the work being 
performed by Herre Bros.  Id . at 76-77. 
On July 28, 2006, Herre Bros. wrote Mr. Grogg, asking for his assistance and 
forwarding documentation to support its position that it had not included asbestos abatement 
and lead paint removal costs in its bid and had incurred unanticipated costs associated with 
this work.  Appeal File, Exhibit 15.  Referencing its July 28 submission, Herre Bros. 
submitted a claim on August 31, 2006, seeking $70,177.45 for performing the asbestos 
abatement and lead paint removal work set forth in the contract.  Id., Exhibit 16.  Herre Bros. 
has not presented evidence or asserted that it performed any asbestos abatement or lead paint 
removal work beyond the work that was set forth in the terms of the contract. 
The contracting officer issued his final decision on October 31, 2006, denying Herre 
Bros.’ claim.  Appeal File, Exhibit 17. Mr. Grogg maintained that Herre Bros. did not tell 
him that it had not included asbestos abatement and lead paint removal in its bid until after 

 
   
  
 
      
 
    
   
  
      
  
 
 
 
  
    
 
     
  
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it had completed the work.  Id .  After extensively reciting the verbiage contained in the 
specifications and drawings on asbestos abatement and lead paint removal, Mr. Grogg wrote: 
At the pre-bid meeting the Government never stated that the lead paint 
removal and asbestos abatement would be removed from the solicitation.  If 
that were the case, an amendment would have been completed to remove the 
work from the solicitation.  The Government never issued an amendment to 
remove the lead paint removal and asbestos abatement. As detailed above, the 
asbestos abatement and lead paint removal was listed in both the specifications 
and the drawings.  Since the work was clearly shown in the drawings and 
specifications the contractor was responsible for removing the lead paint and 
abating the asbestos as part of the original contract. 
Id. 
The final decision was timely appealed to the VA Board of Contract Appeals, where 
it was docketed as VABCA 7626.  When the VA Board was consolidated into the Civilian 
Board of Contract Appeals (CBCA) on January 6, 2007, Herre Bros.’ appeal was redocketed 
as CBCA 581.  
Positions of the Parties 
The appellant argues that, during the pre-bid conference, the VA “unequivocally 
undertook the contract obligation to perform all of the lead and asbestos abatement in 
accordance with the project specifications,” and that it relied on the VA’s “undertaking of 
the obligation” in formulating its bid.  It posits that the VA breached its duty of good faith 
and fair dealing under the contract by refusing to perform the abatement work, directing 
Herre Bros. to perform the work instead, and then refusing to pay Herre Bros. for the work. 
The appellant concludes that based on the VA’s breach, the respondent is “estopped” from 
refusing to pay Herre Bros.’ claim.  Alternatively, the appellant argues that, even if the Board 
finds that the contracting officer did not state that the VA was going to perform the 
abatement work, Herre Bros. is entitled to an equitable adjustment for the lead paint removal 
and asbestos abatement work “that was not contemplated nor bargained for by either party.” 
The respondent argues that Herre Bros. was contractually obligated to perform the 
asbestos abatement and lead paint removal work and is not entitled to additional 
compensation for performing that work.  The respondent posits that even if Herre Bros. did 
not include money in its bid for the work, the contract specifications and drawings clearly 
required the work.  It avers that the contracting officer never stated that the VA would 
perform the abatement work, and that since the contracting officer issued amendments to the 

 
    
    
  
  
  
  
   
   
 
        
    
   
 
    
   
   
       
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solicitation prior to award, none of which referenced the abatement work, Herre Bros. was 
required to do something that it never did -- seek clarification of its understanding prior to 
award. 
Discussion 
The record in this case presents several questions concerning the requisite asbestos 
abatement and lead paint removal.  Although much of the testimony received was conflicting, 
the language in the contract is perfectly clear. The appellant acknowledges that “the instant 
dispute is not over the interpretation of ambiguous contract language.  There is no dispute 
that the specifications include the abatement work.”  Appellant’s Rebuttal Brief at 3. 
Pursuant to the terms of the contract, and as set forth in the specifications and drawings, the 
appellant was required to perform asbestos abatement and lead paint removal in certain areas 
of the building.  Notwithstanding the contract terms, the appellant argues that the contracting 
officer orally changed the contract requirements when he stated during the pre-bid 
conference that the VA would be responsible for performing the hazardous material 
abatement work.  
Application of the parol evidence rule prevents the appellant’s recovery in this case. 
Where the language of a contract is unambiguous, it must be given its plain and ordinary 
meaning.  McAbee Construction, Inc. v. United States , 97 F.3d 1431, 1435 (Fed. Cir. 1996); 
George Hyman Construction Co. v. United States , 832 F.2d 574, 579 (Fed. Cir. 1987).  Also, 
the parol evidence rule precludes a court or tribunal from using extrinsic evidence to vary a 
contract’s terms where the contract language is clear and unambiguous, even though there 
is testimony at odds with the clear language of the contract.  Rumsfeld v. Freedom NY, Inc. , 
329 F.3d 1320, 1327 (Fed. Cir. 2003); Coast Federal Bank, FSB v. United States , 323 F.3d 
1035 (Fed. Cir. 2003); HRE, Inc. v. United States , 142 F.3d 1274 (Fed. Cir. 1998); Sylvania 
Electric Products, Inc. v. United States , 458 F.2d 994, 1005 (Ct. Cl. 1972).  As discussed 
below, even if the appellant could overcome the parol evidence rule, it would not prevail for 
several other reasons. 
The appellant has failed to meet its burden to prove that the contracting officer made 
an oral statement negating the terms of the contract.  The appellant’s estimator testified that 
at the pre-bid conference the contracting officer made a statement that the VA would be 
responsible for the hazardous material abatement work; both the contracting officer and 
COTR testified that such a statement was never made.  Although the appellant produced the 
estimator’s notation from the pre-bid conference, and argued that the notation supports its 
contention that the contracting officer made the statement, the notation is cryptic and 
susceptible to a variety of interpretations. We do not find the estimator’s recollection of this 
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its estimator’s testimony even though two other potential bidders were present at the pre-bid 
conference. 
The appellant asserts that there exists a trade practice where owners “typically take 
full responsibility” for asbestos and lead paint abatement work “even though language in the 
project specifications indicates that the abatement work is included in the contractor’s scope 
of work.”  Even if we found the testimony on this issue to be persuasive, a trade practice 
cannot negate the clear and unambiguous requirements of the contract.  See Jowett, Inc. v. 
United States , 234 F.3d 1365 (Fed. Cir. 2000).  The Jowett  decision is directly applicable to 
the present case, and precludes the appellant from using a trade practice to negate clear 
contract requirements that require asbestos abatement and lead paint removal in the specific 
listed areas set forth in the specifications and drawings.  
As pointed out by the respondent, the appellant has not sought reformation of this 
contract based on a mistake in bid.  Reformation has been the relief sought in cases where 
the Government knew or should have known of a mistake in bid, or where there was no 
meeting of the minds in making the contract.  The parol evidence rule does not preclude a 
showing of mistake in bid. Restatement (Second) of Contracts § 157 & cmt. a (1979) (cited 
in Parcel 49C Limited Partnership v. General Services Administration, GSBCA 16377, 05-2 
BCA ¶ 33,013, at 163,606, aff”d, sub nom. Parcel 49C L.P. v. Doan, 186 F. App’x 1002 
(Fed. Cir. 2006). Even if the appellant had argued that it made a unilateral mistake in bid, 
the meager spread between the appellant’s bid and the next low bidder’s would be 
insufficient to alert the VA to the possibility of a bid error and thereby create a duty to 
request bid verification. 
The Board concludes that based on the facts as proven and the law, the appellant was 
responsible for performing the asbestos abatement and lead paint removal clearly articulated 
in the contract. 
Decision 
Accordingly, this appeal is hereby DENIED . 
PATRICIA J. SHERIDAN 
Board Judge 

                                                                                                                     
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We concur: 
CATHERINE B. HYATT RICHARD C. WALTERS 
Board Judge Board Judge