If you really enjoy fine espresso this is the machine for you!!  dare I say almost professional!  No pods needed here. Out of the box the directions made set up pretty easy and online tutorials helped up learn more about the fine tuning for our tasted that this machine offers. we learned a lot.  The minor adjustments make a big difference.  If was fun learning all the features.  Unbeatable quality!   It does take up a little bit of counter space but it really is a show piece as well!  We absolutely love it.