This is our second flip. Loved the first one and wanted an upgrade so we now have the 
13 in 1. I have a new stove and have not used the oven 1 time because I use Flip for everything. I love the sear plate, makes Perfect chicken. The difference in my first 8 in 1 and this one is you cannot open the back to clean. Makes it difficult to get in there to clean it. Otherwise I love love love it!