These pillows are pretty flat and they are very faded looking. I read another review that said these were pretty flat and I was ok with them not being super full but I never dreamed they were this flat! Just a FYI! If you scroll over and look at the third picture they show you, the side view does show a faded looking black and that’s how they look all over. The front pics you can’t tell as much but that side view you can. Hope this helps)