Used with the 14" bed frame. I tossed the sons memory foam mattress on top and the college kid has one of the best sleeping set up at school now. He's a big guy and he seems very please with the new addition. Keep in mind this mattress alone would work fine for small children but for large folks you would need additional thickness. Pros: Well made. Shipped nicely for easy carry and set upCons: None at this time just keep in mind the thickness.