These cars are terrible! They are so hard that they never got sat in.  I gave them away they were so bad. I couldnt sell them because when anyone was seated they said no thank you.  The order was also wrong they were supposed to be linen fabric but they arrived and they were a cheap velour and the arms were so under stuffed that the fabric was all puckered up and there wasnt anything you could do about it.  I would give them a negative 5 if it were possible. I would tell anyone thinking about buying them to keep looking.