These pillows are way to squishy for my taste. Ive slept on down pillows before, some that were from when my mom was a child, but never a down alternative before. I sleep with my arm under the pillow and thats all I feel with these pillows. My head sinks all the way down and I feel like Im sleeping directly on my arm except for the fact that the remaining fluffiness of the pillow is surrounding my head. These have become my spare pillows.