These things (pillows?) are the most flimsy, pitiful things I've ever laid eyes on. When I place them in the sham, you can barely even tell there is a pillow inside! I think my new rule of thumb is to purchase pillows in person where I can feel them and check them over first. Would like to return but I don't have the time to mess with so I just gave them to my preteen to do what she wants with them. I do not recommend - gave 2 stars because I love Wayfair and their service, just not this product.