Still had the sturdy frame from our old swing. Hard to find a swing that doesn't include the frame. But didn't really want to get another frame.  Not as flimsy as I was made to believe by some of the other reviews. Hubby put it together in no time at all. Didn't get a chance to stain it before the rains set in. So we'll have to see how well it weathers. All in all a pretty good value for the money.