I love these fixtures.  Theu are so sturdy and will be great for all the wind we get on our hill. They are a very good buy for the price.  Was concerned about the size from oher reviews but the small look good on our porch.   Would go with larger size if I  had a high ceiling on my porch.  The patina is definity a dark gray or silver and I  really was going for more brown .  I ased a question about this after reading reviews and was told they had a brown tint which is really not the case.  I am probably going to keep them because I  like them so much but that is the reason four stars instead of five.