Bought the 2 x 8 and a few 2 x 4 shelves. Took some time to hang and understand the different ways it could mount but eventually understood taking my time. Ceiling mount only works in limited situations. Wall mount works most of the time depending on height. Love all my newage products and these helped add storage above my cabinets so I didn’t have to put material on top of the acutual cabinets.