let's tart with the good side. they sound good. like, really good. the sound is clear and crisp and flat mostly. but, for the love of god, they won't fit my ears. there's only a sweet spot that they don't hurt my ears really bad, and that only stays for like 10 minutes. after that, they go back to hurting my ears. i have tried every tip in the box, no change. maybe try the buds +.