I really like these pillows. They provide great lumbar support. My issue with them is that the manufacturer didn’t use a tight enough ticking to prevent the down from poking through. I have to remove 5-7 feathers each day from each of my two pillows. Otherwise, the feathers poke into my back and arms. I wonder how much smaller these pillows will actually be after I’ve had them for a year. I do not recommend for that reason.