So that was, at the time, that was very popular, when we were starting, so that was one of the, one of the things that we still hate the most, is having to pay to be saved in some, like, ridiculous...you don't need that.
Затем последовал No Substance в 1998, который записывали в нескольких местах в Итаке, штат Нью-Йорк, где Грег Грэффин готовился к защите диссертации по биологии в Корнелльском университете.