# [Geo: California/Bay Area] Mini-Research of 2020 Fire Situation

**Last Updated: 2020/8/25 17:29 PDT**

California currently has a lot of fire. It's not good. Some friends on a [FB thread (public)](https://www.facebook.com/qiaochu/posts/10157193001535811?__cft__[0]=AZXOUe9VDFg5coj-JU6h7Pcf9mAy4T0HVSAiN5BkYj5SyqRpArdjNjcrXkq6cuxtYWbRLVr8E-xooWtIOjaEiBuNzJxiZX73dSqUvwRxk8wtsaoxqFVQ7Hn_5F5Ksd3-UgU&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R) were wondering whether this implied we should be doing something, e.g., leaving town. I've put in 1-2 hours of research now, and will probably do a bit more.

Notable background from the thread:

*   [Hypothesis that  the reduced number of inmate firefighters](https://www.facebook.com/qiaochu/posts/10157193001535811?comment_id=10157194000865811&__cft__[0]=AZXOUe9VDFg5coj-JU6h7Pcf9mAy4T0HVSAiN5BkYj5SyqRpArdjNjcrXkq6cuxtYWbRLVr8E-xooWtIOjaEiBuNzJxiZX73dSqUvwRxk8wtsaoxqFVQ7Hn_5F5Ksd3-UgU&__tn__=R]-R), due to Covid, means that this year could be much worse.
*   [Cities are unlikely to burn](https://www.facebook.com/qiaochu/posts/10157193001535811?comment_id=10157196590815811&__cft__[0]=AZXOUe9VDFg5coj-JU6h7Pcf9mAy4T0HVSAiN5BkYj5SyqRpArdjNjcrXkq6cuxtYWbRLVr8E-xooWtIOjaEiBuNzJxiZX73dSqUvwRxk8wtsaoxqFVQ7Hn_5F5Ksd3-UgU&__tn__=R]-R) due to being built with flame-proof materials.

  
Instead of posting further updates to that Facebook thread, I'm going to make them primarily here. If you're following here from that thread, you can make an account and subscribe to this post and get emailed if I (or someone else) comments with more updates.  
  
This isn't world-class, super-rigorous research. Just me sharing the results of some basic Googling and Wikipedia reading. Very casual.  
 

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**Friday, August 21st**
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I did some Googling and reading, most of Wikipedia, during a long Zoom meeting today.

From a 0.5-1 hour search, this year isn't obviously going to be much worse than prior years. I was worried when one of the news articles above said last year 260k acres burnt, and this past few days we've already seen 400k burn, but actually, last year was on the very low end (see image). 2018 was the largest fire year to date and that was 1.9M acres \[1\].

![](https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117800333_10164266840265158_1554724787581597500_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=D-0rPcJSOMsAX9lvpYW&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=6e7c6b35dc68800ac08657bd0704ef72&oe=5F66CCAE)

UPDATE: Well now 2020 is already at 1.4M and it's only August...

Re firefighters: Ben Goldhaber got the number from the NYT article saying 1500/9,400 = 16% were inmates. A 2018 document from Cal Fire has it at 3500/12,200 = 29% \[2\]. I could see the inmate firefighters either being more or less valuable on the margin. As someone said elsethread, maybe they get used in riskier situations to greater effect, or actually, they're less well trained and get less access to the equipment like helicopters so their actual contribution is less than their proportion of the whole. I suspect the latter.

There's yet another question of how much of a difference firefighting makes. Turns out it's hard to estimate/measure. I found one detailed paper \[3\] looking at metrics and methodology, but my quick read didn't leave me with a strong sense of how helpful firefighting is. Maybe a factor of 2? My guess is the loss of firefighting power is on the same order of magnitude as a bunch of other variables that affect outcomes, but I'm not sure.

Tentative conclusion: things could turn out to be bad and seems worth going elsewhere if it's cheap, but so far my 0.5-1 hour investigation didn't make me think the outside view from previous years doesn't apply.

I'll try to dig in a bit more to the pattern of fires and whether there's something else that would have you predict this year is much worse than 2017 or 2018. I haven't looked at the locations of this year's fires and how that compares.

\[1\] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_California_wildfires#Post-2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_wildfires?fbclid=IwAR1obpOzeznGUgmVlLAq-d-N3NFe7MzgR1nFUKCkhPorjvv4XIrJME0gBJ8#Post-2000)  
\[2\] [https://www.fire.ca.gov/media/4922/glance.pdf](https://www.fire.ca.gov/media/4922/glance.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1DtHHF2se0PtCpDY03wL2wYdl_EuHGvnwHDxswuQP5cporaqMLDp9TMTc)  
\[3\] [sci-hub.st/10.1007/s40725-019-00085-4](http://sci-hub.st/10.1007/s40725-019-00085-4?fbclid=IwAR2UWbw8FA75-cw8rDStSb-ZS3YrN4FwJT9w0ZqKrc3JcgXMz6qsPXRrxNo)

Bibliography:  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018\_California\_wildfires](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_wildfires?fbclid=IwAR3cV8fznzKGoFkYumkfn1MRMbDKcoTAxqakqE5D-w0V7FsX8U5ba9qvf1Y)  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California\_Department\_of\_Forestry\_and\_Fire\_Protection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Forestry_and_Fire_Protection?fbclid=IwAR2blXxm_Jr1nbGarUIi8J6gKwMRUws0h4CtxFpzXdsAlULHV6IDbW0N08M)  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California\_fire\_camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_fire_camps?fbclid=IwAR0isTXZULPuTbEdFhfZ6-54FmWsSLbVuIF0Ev10TzcmqoLakJk4S14Fcu0)  
[https://www.fire.ca.gov/stats-events/](https://www.fire.ca.gov/stats-events/)\]([https://www.fire.ca.gov/stats-events/](https://www.fire.ca.gov/stats-events/?fbclid=IwAR2b4UzlQMx3-jF2uGARhdBmS_FMGMFz5jSHA-j4YSGf3dJZ_vGGC8IoYZY)  
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire_suppression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire_suppression?fbclid=IwAR2b4UzlQMx3-jF2uGARhdBmS_FMGMFz5jSHA-j4YSGf3dJZ_vGGC8IoYZY)

**Saturday August 22nd**
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**UPDATE: Changed my opinion. This year could be much worse.**

Yesterday when I was comparing, I had a 400k acres number in my mind. That might have already been out of date then. Latest data \[1, 2\] says that already 1.4M acres have burnt. That's not quite as much as 2018 yet, but fire season last till November. I would now bet > 50% that this year will beat the record.

I don't trust journalists not to sensationalize, and I don't feel calibrated on Vox, but this \[3\]:

> But this week’s blazes stand out for their scale, timing, locations, and intensity, even among recent record-breaking fire seasons.

Like many (most?) things, fire size is heavy tailed. Of the 1.4M, a lot of if it just a few major fire areas, pretty much all in Northern California near the bay \[2\], see image. I haven't checked previous years' distribution of fire since I couldn't find maps quickly, will try to get them later. Slightly suspicion right now the big fires are closer to us than previous years, but not sure.  
  
The top two fires here are apparently now the 2nd and 3rd largest fires on record for California.

![](https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118126972_10164272674480158_6787543157918513831_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=9djK8vxXo4QAX-Z7X6E&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=8a7718b921593098b78e1233dafe9fdc&oe=5F66FC9C)

1.4M acres burned, most of it from the top few fires on the list

A "be prepared to evacuate" warning has been issued to people in the Berkeley Hills. Make sense, they are right on the edge of the forest and there was fire there even in 2018 \[4\]

My gut feeling (and don't trust me just 'cause I found a few links) is the Hills could get affected again. How much danger that implies for someone living in Berkeley or Oakland not right near the hills is a further research question about how cities burn. \[My cached answer is "not that well", but worth more investigation.\]

My current thought is we should definitely be prepared for a lot of bad air. I was able to buy more air filters on Amazon, so I'd get 'em now. I'd pack a suitcase, because it's pretty cheap. I do feel motivated to research more now since I think there's enough of a chance it could be worse than previous years. I'll share more when I've got it.

\[1\] https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents/2020/  
\[2\] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\_California\_wildfires#cite\_note-CalFire\_Stats-1  
\[3\] https://www.vox.com/2020/8/21/21377181/california-wildfire-2020-coronavirus-covid-19-heat-scu-lnu-lightning-complex-climate  
\[4\] https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/08/22/red-flag-warning-for-berkeley-hills-means-residents-need-to-be-ready-to-evacuate-heres-what-you-need-to-know

**Monday August 24th**
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**Current weakly-informed opinion: assuming you don't live right in the hills, fire is very unlikely to reach your house**

**Caveat: I'm really not an expert here. I've spent a very small amount of time reading some things.**

I took a quick look for how wildfires are fought, and found this list which I can believe is approximately how they do it: [https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/57094/10-strategies-fighting-wildfires](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/57094/10-strategies-fighting-wildfires)

What I take from that is cities are much easier to fight fires in than forests. Cities already have major firebreaks in the the form of roads, or even just the gaps between buildings. Fires can jump freeways, I've read, but that's got to be much harder to burning along a continuous path of fuel. That's why in forests firefighters just try to bulldoze clear paths.

I also tried to get a sense of how quickly fires move.   
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/06/the-terrifying-physics-of-how-wildfires-spread-so-fast/amp/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/06/the-terrifying-physics-of-how-wildfires-spread-so-fast/amp/)

Based on that, let's say a fire can move 10mi/hour. All of the very large fires burning right now are something like 50-100 mi away at least. Assuming that the fires moved straight for Berkeley Oakland (and coming from the North, they'd need to wind around in the right away), we'd still have many hours of warning. But I just would be very surprised if they moved that directly and consistently, so really I expect if it were to happen, it would take days. The danger then is that you only get the warning when everyone else does and getting out is crowded? Though I expect most people to drag their feet, so if you decided to leave as soon as the fire got anywhere near us, you'd likely be fine getting out.

The real fire risk then seems not to be the massive fires burning a distance away, but if a fire started up close to us, e.g. Berkeley Hills. That could happen, but then you'd need to count on it reaching an enormous size that couldn't be quickly stopped. I expect that if there's a fire anywhere near a metropolitan area, they will throw a lot of resources at it, on top of the fact that cities are much easier to fight fires in due the many natural firebreaks.

The counterpoint to this picture is the [The Oakland Firestorm of 1991](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_firestorm_of_1991) which was  pretty bad: burnt a lot of homes and killed 25 people, but if you look at the map. Due the wind (at least) it did cross an eight-lane freeway. Operations-wise seems there were delays in getting support too. The fire reached northwest edge of Montclaire and Rockridge. The fire last a day, getting contained once the wind had changed.

If I lived about the distance Rockridge is from hills, from the hills, I'd probably leave at any news of fire in the hills, expecting a < 5% (<1%?) that I then might be at risk. This seems to be about 1-2 miles (see the map below).

Living in Emeryville, as I do,  I would think it's 1 in 10,000 or much less that fire would reach me from the hills, and if it was on track, I'd have a fair deal of warning that even in increased traffic, I'd expect to be fine.

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/fac1bac7c718731d6faa43024205db4d6cf28303c4b279fb.png)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland\_firestorm\_of_1991](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_firestorm_of_1991)

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/6354ff3d55a42341ba7a8f3db1f6be2a2a4619a63cbcdfe7.png)

Pin is where the fire originated. It reach northwest edge of Montclaire and upper Rockridge, having crossed the 24 and 13

Also note that because cities have roads, meaning that bringing in lots of trucks, equipment, and personnel has  got to be a lot easier than in the middle of the countrside.

And lastly, cities have massive water infrastructure. Water mains with intense amounts of water. In forests, they've got helicopters picking up buckets from nearby lakes. In a city, you can just hook up to a nearby fire hydrant and spray away.

Water mains can be melted through, and in 1923 the water infrastructure didn't cope with the big fire, but I expect right now Berkeley / Oakland could put a lot of water any fire that got close.

I do expect if your house is right on the edge, the fire could get you, but for every mile you are away from the hills, I think the chances of fire getting you are increasingly slim. Like it'd take a monster fire 100x what's been seen before.

**Tuesday August 25th**
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[**Timelapse of fire in the Bay Area recently.**](https://preview.redd.it/e67prwssz5j51.gif?format=mp4&s=eb1f1d981906ab79874ae834e099edcb0d69531c) This is partway through, the area covered gets twice as large. Watch the 20 seconds.

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/15f656ce173c43ac5dcc07797420c96e6b0d9ee22d0e14f7.png)

[https://preview.redd.it/e67prwssz5j51.gif?format=mp4&s=eb1f1d981906ab79874ae834e099edcb0d69531c](https://preview.redd.it/e67prwssz5j51.gif?format=mp4&s=eb1f1d981906ab79874ae834e099edcb0d69531c)

That is kind of scary and makes me feel like I maybe need to rethink my "how fast fire moves" moves. The sheer area covered is so large. 

This doesn't make me panic yet, but does make me go "whoa, I need to think more."