# [Intuitive self-models] 8. Rooting Out Free Will Intuitions

*(Last revised Jan. 2026—see Changelog at the bottom.)*

8.1 Post summary / Table of contents
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*This is the final post of the* [*Intuitive Self-Models series*](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde)*.*

**One-paragraph tl;dr:** This post is, in a sense, the flip side of [Post 3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus). Post 3 centered around the suite of intuitions related to free will. What are these intuitions? How did these intuitions wind up in my brain, even when they have (I argue) precious little relation to real psychology or neuroscience? But Post 3 left a critical question unaddressed: If free-will-related intuitions are the *wrong* way to think about the everyday psychology of motivation—desires, urges, akrasia, willpower, self-control, and more—then what’s the *right* way to think about all those things? In this post, I offer a framework to fill that gap.

**Slightly longer intro and summary:** Back in [Post 3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus), I argued that the way we conceptualize free will, agency, desires, and decisions in the “Conventional Intuitive Self-Model” ([§3.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_2__The_Conventional_Intuitive_Self_Model_)) bears little relation to what’s actually happening in the brain. For example, for reasons explained in detail in [§3.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_The__vitalistic_force__intuition) (brief recap in §8.4.1 below), “true” desires are conceptualized in a way that makes them incompatible with having any upstream cause. And thus:

*   Suppose I tell you that you want food right now “merely” because your empty stomach is releasing [ghrelin hormone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghrelin), which is triggering [ghrelin-sensing neurons in your hypothalamus](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4gaeWLhnnBvhamRke/book-review-the-heart-of-the-brain-the-hypothalamus-and-its#3__Case_study_of_hypothalamus__business_logic___NPY_AgRP_neurons), which in turn are manipulating your motivation system. It probably feels like this information comes somewhat at the expense of your sense of free will and agency. You don’t *really* want food right now—you’re just being *puppeteered* by the ghrelin! Right?
*   Next, suppose I tell you that your deepest and truest desires—your desires for honor and integrity, truth and justice—feel like the right thing to do “merely” because *different* neurons in your hypothalamus, neurons that are probably just a centimeter or two from those ghrelin-sensing ones above, are manipulating your motivation system in a fundamentally similar way.[^w5atxdd349c] It probably feels like this information comes *deeply* at the expense of your sense of free will and agency. You might even feel outraged and insulted!
    
*   And taking that even further still, suppose I inform you that *absolutely everything* you want and do is “merely” an output of your brain algorithm as a whole, which is a complex contraption inexorably cranking forward via the laws of physics and chemistry. Then it might feel like this information is *entirely* incompatible with your sense of free will and agency.

Of course, all those things are true. And there’s nothing mysterious about that from a neuroscience perspective. The only problem is how it *feels*—it’s those pesky free-will-related intuitions, which as I explained in [Post 3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus), are both deeply entrenched ([strong prior](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_2_2_Probabilistic_inference)) and deeply misleading (not a [veridical](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_3_2__Is_the_intuitive_model_veridical__or_is_it_non_veridical__) model of anything at all, see [§3.3.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_3_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_does_not_veridically_correspond_to_anything_at_all) and [§3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_6_The_homunculus_concept_does_not_veridically_correspond_to_anything_at_all)).

Now, I expect that most people reading this are scoffing right now that they *long ago* moved past their childhood state of confusion about free will. Isn’t this “Physicalism 101” stuff? Didn’t Eliezer Yudkowsky [describe free will as](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/free-will-solution/history) “about as easy as a philosophical problem in reductionism can get, while still appearing ‘impossible’ to at least some philosophers”? …Indeed, didn’t we already wrap up this whole topic, *within this very series*, way back in [§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)??

But—don’t be so sure that you’ve really moved past it! I claim that **the suite of intuitions related to free will has spread its tentacles into every corner of how we think and talk about motivation, desires, akrasia, willpower, self, and more**. If you can explain how it’s possible to “freely make decisions” even while the brain algorithm is inexorably cranking forward under the hood, then good for you, that’s a great start. (If not, see [§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)!) But **if you’re “applying willpower to fight laziness”, then what is actually happening in your brain? …And, y’know, if free-will-related intuitions generate such confusion in other areas, then isn’t it** ***concerning*** **how much you’re still relying on those same intuitions when you try to think through** ***this*** **question?**

Thus, if we want a good physicalist account ([§1.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_6_Appendix__How_does_this_series_fit_into_Philosophy_Of_Mind_)) of everyday psychology in general, and motivation in particular, we need to root out all those misleading free-will-related intuitions, and replace them with a better way to think about what’s going on. And that’s my main goal in this post.

The rest of the post is organized as follows:

*   **Section 8.2** describes a particularly stark example of free-will-related intuitions leading us astray—namely, that we incorrectly expect exotic kinds of intuitive self-models to lead directly to exotic kinds of motivational states. I go through four examples of such wrongheaded intuitions that we’ve seen in this series, one from each of Posts 4, 5, 6, and 7 respectively: “hypnosis as mind-control”, “DID as mind-civil-war”, “awakening as passivity”, and “obeying hallucinated voices as slavery”. In each case, the wrongheaded idea stems directly from problematic free-will-related intuitions, whereas the boring reality is that people with *any* intuitive self-model act from motivations that are perfectly recognizable in our everyday experience.
*   …However, **Section 8.3** clarifies that there is *one* way that intuitive self-models do have a *bona fide* impact on motivation: intuitive self-models affect the *associations* between different concepts. These associations can in turn have important downstream impacts on motivations. I’ll list some of the examples that we’ve already come across in this series.
*   In **Section 8.4**, I’ll offer a *positive* account of how I endorse thinking about how motivation really works, free of any vestiges of problematic free-will-related intuitions. It’s centered around (1) thoughts having “valence” (as in [my Valence series](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction)); (2) thoughts sometimes being self-reflective (as in [§2.2.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_2_3__S_apple____defined_as_the_self_reflective_thought__apple_being_in_awareness___is_different_from_the_object_level_thought__apple_); e.g., thinking about a tricky math problem is different from thinking about *myself* doing that math problem); and (3) if an idea (“eating candy”) has positive valence, it naturally leads to brainstorming / planning towards making that happen.
*   Then, for practice, in **Section 8.5**, I’ll go through six examples of everyday intuitions drawn from the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model ([§3.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_2__The_Conventional_Intuitive_Self_Model_)) and its free-will intuitions, and how I would translate those observations into my own framework above, including discussion of implicit desires, explicit desires, akrasia, brainstorming, and willpower. As an aside, I’ll argue that there’s an “innate drive to minimize voluntary attention control”, and explain why it evolved, how it works, and how it relates to feeling “mentally tired”.

In **Section 8.6**, I conclude the whole series, including five reasons that this series is relevant to [my job description](https://sjbyrnes.com/agi.html) as an Artificial General Intelligence safety and alignment researcher.

8.2 Recurring series theme: Intuitive self-models have less relation to motivation than you’d think
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One of the things I’m trying to do in this series is to **de-exoticize the motivations of people with unusual intuitive self-models**. We’ve seen this over and over:

*   *Hypnosis:* There’s an appealing intuition (depicted in cartoons, for example) that the “motivation to obey” in hypnotic trance is a kind of exotic mind-control. But in [§4.5.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QAjmr323LZGQBEvd5/intuitive-self-models-4-trance#4_5_4_Trick_4__Find_a__possessor__who_you_see_as_high_status__a_leader_that_you_want_to_follow_), we saw that this “motivation to obey” is in fact intimately related to the everyday motivation to follow the instructions of a person whom you regard with admiration, respect, and trust.
*   *Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID):* There’s an appealing intuition (depicted in movies, for example) that the tendency in DID to switch alters at certain times, and not switch at other times, is a kind of exotic civil war for control of the mind. But in [§5.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6bW5uJ325JxHYqMFr/intuitive-self-models-5-dissociative-identity-multiple#5_3_Why_is_Borderline_Personality_Disorder__BPD__a_risk_factor_for_DID_), we saw that it is in fact intimately related to the everyday phenomenon of feeling different moods and emotions at different times.
*   *Awakening:* There’s an appealing intuition (conveyed in [this conversation](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tMhEv28KJYWsu6Wdo/kensh?commentId=HJqiHQy6YhQnJ8o5u), for example) that if extensive meditation leads to “participants report\[ing\] having no sense of agency or any ability to make a decision … \[feeling\] as if life was simply unfolding and they were watching the process happen” [(Martin 2020)](https://digitalcommons.ciis.edu/conscjournal/vol8/iss8/1/), then the behavior of those participants would be lazy at best, or catatonic stupor at worst. But in [§6.3.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GvJe6WQ3jbynyhjxm/intuitive-self-models-6-awakening-enlightenment-pnse#6_3_4_Removing_the__vitalistic_force__intuition_doesn_t_imply_what_it_might_seem_to_imply), we saw that those same participants were in many cases energetically writing books or pursuing tenure, and we dived into how to make sense of that fact via “the Parable of Caesar and Lightning” ([§6.3.4.1](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GvJe6WQ3jbynyhjxm/intuitive-self-models-6-awakening-enlightenment-pnse#6_3_4_1_The_Parable_of_Caesar_and_Lightning)).
*   *Hearing Voices:* There’s an appealing intuition (depicted by [Julian Jaynes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind), for example) that if someone hears and reliably obeys a voice in their head, then that person is thus the subject of some exotic form of slavery. But in [§7.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde/p/k8uMmw45k3qp8LPNc#7_2_Against_an_axiomatic_bright_line_distinction_between__hallucinations__and_normal_inner_speech___imagination), I suggested that those voices are closely related to everyday inner speech, and in [§7.4.2.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde/p/k8uMmw45k3qp8LPNc#7_4_2_3_The_counterargument_from_psychology) I argued more specifically that the voices are built and sculpted by normal psychological forces of intrinsic motivation, attention, emotions, and so on, leading to generally similar behaviors and capabilities. For example, if the everyday inner-speech voice in my head says “this sucks, I’m leaving”, and then I leave, then nobody would describe that as “slavery” or “obedience”. But that’s really in the same category as obeying a hallucinated voice.

In each of these cases, the exotic misconceptions strike many people as more intuitive and plausible than the banal reality. That was certainly the case for me, before I wrote this series!

The problem in all of these cases is that we’re trying to think about what’s happening through the lens of the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model ([§3.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_2__The_Conventional_Intuitive_Self_Model_)) and its deeply confused conceptualization of how motivation works. In particular, these intuitions suggest that desires have their root cause in the “Active Self” (a more specific aspect of the “self”), and its “wanting” ([§3.3.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_4_The__wanting__intuition)), with no possible upstream cause prior to that ([§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)). So when an intuitive self-model deeply changes the nature of the “Active Self” concept (or jettisons it altogether), we by default mistakenly imagine that the *desires* get deeply changed (or jettisoned) at the same time.

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/b36c0a9e876f72d5475a4e71d8bbe435cff03ee43d5b3273.png)

*(Top part is copied from* [*§3.5.3*](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_5_3__I_seek_goals__versus__my_goals_are_the_things_that_I_find_myself_seeking_)*.)* Within the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model (CISM), the desire for justice seems to originate as a property of the Active Self, with no possible upstream cause ([§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)). Therefore, if the “Active Self” concept gets thrown away entirely (bottom), as it does in awakening / PNSE ([§6.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GvJe6WQ3jbynyhjxm/intuitive-self-models-6-awakening-enlightenment-pnse#6_3_PNSE_discards_the_homunculus_and_its__vitalistic_force__and__wanting_)), then it would *seem*, from the CISM perspective, to imply that justice-seeking behavior would go away as well. In reality, the CISM is wrong; there *is* an upstream cause of justice-seeking behavior (top-right), and that’s why such behaviors can remain in PNSE (although there can be changes on the margin, see below).

8.3 …However, the intuitive self-model *can* impact motivation via associations
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The previous section was an argument *against* the common intuition that intuitive self-models have an overwhelming, foundational impact on motivations. But I want to be clear that they do have *some* impact. Specifically, they have an impact on motivation via *associations between concepts*.

As background, [motivation comes from valence](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/SqgRtCwueovvwxpDQ/valence-series-2-valence-and-normativity), and [valence in turn is a function on “thoughts”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction#1_5_1__Valence___as_I_m_using_the_term__is_a_property_of_a_thought_not_a_situation__nor_activity__nor_course_of_action__etc_).

So for example, maybe the idea of driving to the beach pops into my head, and that idea is positive valence. But then that makes me think of the idea of sitting in traffic, and *that* thought is *negative* valence. So I don’t go to the beach.

…What just happened? A big part of it was an *association*: the idea of driving to the beach is *associated* with the idea of sitting in traffic. Associations are partly about beliefs (I “believe” that the road is trafficky), but they’re also about saliency (when I think of the former, then the latter tends to pop right into my head.)

So, associations (including but not limited to beliefs) absolutely affect motivations. And the structure of intuitive models affects associations. So this is the path by which intuitive self-models can impact motivation.

We’ve already seen a few examples of such impacts in the series:

*   In [§4.6.1](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QAjmr323LZGQBEvd5/intuitive-self-models-4-trance#4_6_1_Trance_Property_1_causes__losing_track_of_time_), I argued that we “lose track of time” in a flow state, partly because there are no self-reflective S(⋯) thoughts ([§2.2.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_2_3__S_apple____defined_as_the_self_reflective_thought__apple_being_in_awareness___is_different_from_the_object_level_thought__apple_)) in a flow state, and those S(⋯) thoughts tend to have salient *associations* with other self-reflective thoughts related to how long I’ve been working.
*   In [§5.5](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6bW5uJ325JxHYqMFr/intuitive-self-models-5-dissociative-identity-multiple#5_5_Amnesia), I was talking about DID amnesia via an example where someone meets a dog as Alter Y, then later sees the same dog again as Alter X. I suggested that the memory doesn’t come back because it’s *associated* with Alter Y, which is incompatible with the currently-active Alter X. And explicit memories, of course, have manifold effects on motivation—a DID patient might likewise make a promise to himself as Alter Y, and forget to follow through as Alter X.
*   In [§6.5](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GvJe6WQ3jbynyhjxm/intuitive-self-models-6-awakening-enlightenment-pnse#6_5_Why_do_pain__anxiety__etc___seem_less_aversive_in_PNSE_than_in_the_Conventional_Intuitive_Self_Model_), I suggested that PNSE (a.k.a. “awakening” or “enlightenment”) involves less anxiety because it breaks the conventional *association* between self-reflective S(⋯) thoughts and interoceptive feelings.

8.4 How *should* we think about motivation?
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As I argued in [Post 3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus), the conception of motivation, agency, and goal-pursuit within the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model centers around the “Active Self” and its “vitalistic force” and “wanting”. But *neither* the Active Self *nor* its vitalistic force are a veridical model of anything in the “territory” of either atoms or brain algorithms. So it’s no wonder that, when we try to use this map, we often wind up spouting nonsense.

Instead, I propose to think about motivation much closer to the territory level—i.e., to use concepts that are tightly connected to ingredients in the underlying brain algorithms.

8.4.1 The framework I’m rejecting
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Here I’m quickly summarizing a few key points from [Post 3: The Active Self](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus). You’ve already seen this section in Post 6.

*   ***Vitalistic force*** ([§3.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_The__vitalistic_force__intuition)) is an intuitive concept that we apply to animals, people, cartoon characters, and machines that “seem alive” (as opposed to seeming “inanimate”). It doesn’t veridically ([§1.3.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_3_2__Is_the_intuitive_model_veridical__or_is_it_non_veridical__)) correspond to anything in the real world ([§3.3.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_3_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_does_not_veridically_correspond_to_anything_at_all)). It amounts to a sense that something has *intrinsic* important unpredictability in its behavior. In other words, the thing seems to be unpredictable *not* because we’re unfamiliar with how it works under the hood, nor because we have limited information, nor because we aren’t paying attention, etc. Rather, the unpredictability seems to be a core part of the nature of the thing itself ([§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)).
*   ***Wanting***([§3.3.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_4_The__wanting__intuition)) is another intuition, closely related to and correlated with vitalistic force, which comes up when a vitalistic-force-carrying entity has intrinsic unpredictability in its behavior, but we can still predict that this behavior will somehow eventually lead to some end-result systematically happening. And that end-result is described as “what it wants”. For example, if I’m watching someone sip their coffee, I’ll be surprised by their detailed bodily motions as they reach for the mug and bring it to their mouth, but I’ll be less surprised by the fact that they wind up eventually sipping the coffee. Just like vitalistic force, “wanting” is conceptualized as an intrinsic property of an entity; the intuitive model does not allow it to have any upstream cause ([§3.3.6](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_6_The__vitalistic_force__intuition_contributes_to_bad_takes_about_free_will_and_artificial_general_intelligence)).
*   ***The Active Self*** ([§3.3.5](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_5_The_intuition_that__vitalistic_force__and__wanting__seem_to_be_present_inside_the_brain_algorithm_itself)) is an intuitive concept, core to (but perhaps narrower than) the sense of self. It derives from the fact that the brain algorithm *itself* has behaviors that seem characteristic of “vitalistic force” and “wanting”. Thus we intuit that there is an entity which contains that “vitalistic force” and which does that “wanting”, and that entity is what I call the Active Self. In particular, if “I apply my free will” to do X, then my Active Self is conceptualized as the fundamental cause of X. And likewise, whenever planning / brainstorming is happening in the brain towards accomplishing X, we “explain” this fact by saying that the Active Self is doing that planning / brainstorming because it wants X. Yet again, the intuitive model requires that the Active Self must be the ultimate root cause; there can be nothing upstream of it.[^c092t8oia3o]
    

For a proper account of motivation, we need to throw those out—or more precisely, we need to treat those intuitions as *merely* intuitions (i.e., learned concepts that are present in some intuitive self-models but not others) and not part of what’s *really* happening in the human brain. Here’s what I propose instead:

8.4.2 My framework: valence, associations, and brainstorming
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My framework for thinking about motivation includes the following ingredients:

*   There are thoughts ([§1.5.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_5_2_Concepts__models__thoughts__subagents)).
*   Thoughts have [valence](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction)—they can be “motivating” or “demotivating”, loosely speaking.
    *   Note the difference between saying (A) *“the idea of going to the zoo is positive-valence, a.k.a. motivating”*, versus (B) *“I want to go to the zoo”*. (A) is allowed, but (B) is forbidden in my framework, since (B) involves the Active Self. While this *particular* (A) and (B) are not quite synonymous, I claim that in general, whatever phenomena you want to describe using statements like (B), you can describe it perfectly well using statements of the form (A).
    *   (What do I mean by “forbidden”? Well obviously, it’s perfectly fine to put scare-quotes around (B), treat it as an intuitive belief, and then try to explain how brain algorithms might have given rise to that intuitive belief. I’ve been doing that kind of thing throughout this series ([§1.6.1](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_6_1_Introspective_self_reports_as_a__straightforward__scientific_question)). What I mean here is that I allow (A), but not (B), to be “part of what’s really going on”.)
*   There are complex learned heuristics that cause new thoughts to arise (pop into awareness), and other complex learned heuristics that assign those thoughts a valence. The heuristics come out of several types of learning algorithms, interacting with the world, with life experience, and with “innate drives” (a.k.a. “primary rewards”) (see [§1.5.1](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_5_1_Learning_algorithms_and_trained_models) and [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/SqgRtCwueovvwxpDQ/valence-series-2-valence-and-normativity#2_5_How_does_valence_get_set_and_adjusted_)).
    *   Note the difference between saying (A) *“the idea of closing the window popped into awareness”*, versus (B) *“I had the idea to close the window”*. Since (B) involves the Active Self as a cause of new thoughts, it’s forbidden in my framework. As above, this *particular* (A) and (B) are not quite synonymous, but I claim that the full set of (A)-type statements are adequate to describe anything you’d want to describe via (B)-type statements.
    *   As a special case, if two concepts have an *association* (§8.3), then if one is in awareness, it’s likelier for the other to pop into awareness.
*   Some thoughts are self-reflective ([§2.2.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_2_3__S_apple____defined_as_the_self_reflective_thought__apple_being_in_awareness___is_different_from_the_object_level_thought__apple_)). For example, if I’m doing math homework, a non-self-reflective thought might be “now solve for *x*”, whereas a self-reflective thought is more like “here I am, at the desk, solving for *x*”, or things like “I’m halfway done” or “I suck at this”. Self-reflective thoughts, like all thoughts, have valence ([§2.5](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_5_The_valence_of_S_X__thoughts)).
*   Positive-valence thoughts are kept, while negative-valence thoughts are discarded (see [valence series](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction)), which naturally leads to brainstorming towards plans where positive-valence things seem likely to actually happen:

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/38a846034c9653858d26e766564f2bf81e1ebea8c6a50e6f.png)

Brainstorming how to open a coconut. For more discussion of brainstorming see [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/rM8DwFKZM4eB7i2p8/valence-series-3-valence-and-beliefs#3_3_3_A_nuts_and_bolts_model__It_generally_feels_easy_and_natural_to_brainstorm___figure_out_how_something_might_happen__when_you_want_it_to_happen__Conversely__it_generally_feels_hard_and_unnatural_to_figure_out_how_something_might_happen__when_you_want_it_to_not_happen) & [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction#1_5_7_I_m_sweeping_some_complexity_under_the_rug).

*   These plans (“plans” are just another kind of “thought”) can involve motor-control strategies working through intuitive models of the world and body, and they can *also* involve attention-control strategies working through intuitive self-models (i.e., models of one’s own awareness, desires, etc.). Or both.

8.5 Six worked examples
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In general, intuitions don’t stick around unless they’re producing accurate predictions. So, as much as I’ve been ruthlessly maligning these free-will-related intuitions throughout this post, I acknowledge that they’re generally pointing at real phenomena, and thus our next mission is to get practice explaining those real phenomena in terms of my preferred framework. We’ll go through a series of progressively more involved examples.

8.5.1 Example 1: Implicit (non-self-reflective) desire
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***Statement:*** “Being inside is nice.”

***Intuitive model underlying that statement:*** There’s some concept of “inside” as a location / environment, and that concept somehow radiates positive vibes.

***How I describe what’s happening using my framework:*** When the concept of “inside” is active, it tends to trigger positive valence. (See [“The (misleading) intuition that valence is an attribute of real-world things”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/SqgRtCwueovvwxpDQ/valence-series-2-valence-and-normativity#2_2_The__misleading__intuition_that_valence_is_an_attribute_of_real_world_things).)

8.5.2 Example 2: Explicit (self-reflective) desire
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***Statement:*** “I want to be inside.”

***Intuitive model underlying that statement:*** There’s a frame ([§2.2.3](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_2_3__S_apple____defined_as_the_self_reflective_thought__apple_being_in_awareness___is_different_from_the_object_level_thought__apple_)) “X wants Y” ([§3.3.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_3_4_The__wanting__intuition)). This frame is being invoked, with X as the Active Self, and Y as the concept of “inside” as a location / environment.

***How I describe what’s happening using my framework:*** There’s a systematic pattern (in this particular context), call it P, where *self-reflective* thoughts concerning the inside, like “myself being inside” or “myself going inside”, tend to trigger positive valence. That positive valence is why such thoughts arise in the first place, and it’s also why those thoughts tend to lead to actual going-inside behavior.

In my framework, that’s really the whole story. There’s this pattern P. And we can talk about the upstream causes of P—something involving innate drives and learned heuristics in the brain. And we can likewise talk about the downstream effects of P—P tends to spawn behaviors like going inside, brainstorming how to get inside, etc. But “what’s really going on” (in the “territory” of my brain algorithm) is a story about the pattern P, not about the Active Self. The Active Self only arises secondarily, as the way that I *perceive* the pattern P (in the “map” of my intuitive self-model).

There, in the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model, the self-reflective thoughts are conceptualized as being generated and/or kept around by the Active Self, and correspondingly the pattern P is taken to be indicative of a property of the Active Self—namely, the property of “wanting to be inside”. Why else would the Active Self be holding onto such thoughts, and carrying them through?

8.5.3 Example 3: Akrasia
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***Statement:*** “I want to get out of bed, but I can’t, this pillow just feels so soft … ughhhhhhhhhh.”

***Intuitive model underlying that statement:*** As in Example 2, there’s a frame “X wants Y”, filled out with X = Active Self and Y = being-out-of-bed.

Separately, there’s *also* a frame “X’s plans are being stymied by Y”, filled out with X = Active Self and Y = feelings of comfort associated with laying on the pillow.

***How I describe what’s happening using my framework:*** There’s a systematic pattern (in this particular context), call it P1, where *self-reflective* thoughts concerning being-out-of-bed, like “myself being out of bed” or “myself getting out of bed”, tend to trigger positive valence.

There’s also a systematic pattern, call it P2, where *non*-self-reflective thoughts concerning the feeling of the pillow trigger positive valence.

In both cases, that positive valence explains why such thoughts arise in the first place, and also why those thoughts tend to have the effects that they have—i.e., increasing the likelihood of getting out of bed (P1) or not (P2).

Again, that’s “what’s really going on” in my framework. We have two patterns, P1 and P2, and we can talk about the upstream causes and downstream effects of those patterns. There’s no Active Self.

Let’s contrast that with what happens in the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model. There, recall from [§3.5](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_5_What_does_the_homunculus_want_) that the signature of an “intentional” (as opposed to impulsive) action is that it starts with a positive-valence self-reflective thought (which we think of as an “intention”), and that it’s these self-reflective thoughts in particular that seem to happen because the Active Self wants them to happen. So in the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model, the Active Self seems to be causing the pro-getting-out-of-bed thoughts, and thus the P1 pattern is conceptualized as being rooted in a property of the Active Self, namely its “wanting to get out of bed”.

Meanwhile, the pro-staying-in-bed thoughts, which are *not* self-reflective, correspondingly do *not* seem to be related to the Active Self, and hence the P2 pattern *cannot* be explained by the Active Self wanting to stay in bed. Instead, an urge-to-stay-in-bed is conceptualized as a kind of force external to the Active Self, undermining what the Active Self is trying to do.

8.5.4 Example 4: Fighting akrasia with attention control
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Let’s continue the scene from above (“I want to get out of bed, but I can’t, this pillow just feels so soft … ughhhhhhhhhh”). Carrying on:

***Statement:*** “Ughh. But I *really* don’t want to miss the train. C’mon, I can do this. One step at a time. I’ll make myself a deal: if I make it to the train station early enough to wait in line at the Peet’s, then I’ll treat myself to a caffe mocha. Up up up.”

***Intuitive model:*** Per above, the Active Self wants getting-out-of-bed to happen, but is being stymied by the feelings of comfort associated with the pillow. The Active Self then brainstorms how to get around this obstacle, summoning strategies to make that happen, including deft use of both attention control and motor control.

***How I describe what’s happening using my framework:*** I wrote above that positive-valence thoughts automatically summon brainstorming how to make them happen. Awkwardly, this is symmetric!

*   The positive-valence self-reflective thought “myself getting out of bed and then catching the train” would tend to summon brainstorming towards making that actually happen, including the attention-control strategy of “making myself a deal” and the motor control strategy of moving my feet a bit at a time.
*   …But *also*, the positive-valence non-self-reflective thought “feeling of the comfortable pillow”[^gyth0aspp56] would tend to summon brainstorming towards making *that* actually happen, including the motor-control strategy of staying in bed, and the attention-control strategy of searching for reasons to believe that just five more minutes in bed is probably fine.
    

Indeed, the second story is definitely a thing that can happen too! Both sides of this dilemma can spawn brainstorming and strategic execution of the plans. We’re perfectly capable of brainstorming towards two contradictory goals, by sporadically flipping back and forth.

So maybe, in the Example 4 story, it *just so happened* that, in this particular instance, the brainstorming-towards-getting-out-of-bed had the upper hand over the brainstorming-towards-staying-in-bed, for whatever random reason.

But still, there is indeed a very important asymmetry, as follows:

8.5.5 Example 5: The Active Self’s monopoly on sophisticated brainstorming and planning
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***Statement:*** “If there’s sophisticated brainstorming and planning happening in my mind, it’s because it’s something *I want* to do—it’s not *just* some urge. In Example 4 above, if I was rationalizing excuses to stay in bed, then evidently I *wanted* to stay in bed, at least in that moment (see [§2.5.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/73xBjgoHuiKvJ5WRk/intuitive-self-models-2-conscious-awareness#2_5_2_Positive_valence_S_X__models_also_tend_to_go_with_X_s_that_are_object_level_motivating__other_things_equal_)).”

***Intuitive model:*** If there’s ever sophisticated brainstorming and planning towards goal G happening in my mind, then the Active Self must want goal G to happen, at least in that moment.

***How I describe this using my framework:*** As in §8.4.2 above, we have the general rule that, if goal G is positive-valence, then it automatically spawns brainstorming and planning towards G. But I can add an elaboration that, *if* the corresponding self-reflective thought S(G) is *also* positive-valence, then this brainstorming and planning can be robust, sophisticated, and long-lasting, whereas if S(G) is negative-valence, then this brainstorming and planning tends to be short-lived and simple.

Why is that? Because the *most sophisticated* forms of brainstorming and planning involve a lot of self-reflective thoughts—recall Example 4 above, where I was “making a deal with myself”, i.e. a sophisticated attention-control strategy that intimately involves my intuitive self-models. Those self-reflective thoughts may make the associated thought S(G) pop into my head, and then if S(G) is negative-valence (demotivating), I’ll feel like that’s a crappy plan, and more generally that I shouldn’t even be brainstorming towards G in the first place.

Let’s go through an example. Let’s say G is positive-valence but S(G) is negative-valence—i.e., G seems to be an “urge” / “impulse”. For example, maybe I’ve been trying to quit smoking, and G is the idea of smoking. Then here’s something that could happen:

*   There’s brainstorming towards G. (“How can I get a cigarette?”)
*   The brainstorming spits out a *self-reflective* plan towards making G happen. (“My desire to smoke is being undermined by my earlier commitment to quit smoking. However, if I drive to Jo’s house, then the smell of smoke and immediate availability of cigarettes will help me overcome my pesky desire to follow through on my commitments. So I’ll do that!”)
*   This kind of self-reflective plan makes the self-reflective thought S(G) highly salient (see §8.3 above on associations between concepts).
*   S(G) is negative-valence (demotivating), which makes this plan seem bad, and more generally may snuff out the whole brainstorming-towards-G process altogether (see [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/rM8DwFKZM4eB7i2p8/valence-series-3-valence-and-beliefs#3_3_3_A_nuts_and_bolts_model__It_generally_feels_easy_and_natural_to_brainstorm___figure_out_how_something_might_happen__when_you_want_it_to_happen__Conversely__it_generally_feels_hard_and_unnatural_to_figure_out_how_something_might_happen__when_you_want_it_to_not_happen)).

Note, however, that simple, *non*-self-reflective brainstorming towards G *can* happen—as in the “impulsive brainstorming” example of [§3.5.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde/p/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8#3_5_2_An_edge_case__impulsive_planning), where I crafted and executed a plan to get a cigarette, all without ever “wanting” the cigarette in the Active Self sense. This plan was sophisticated in some objective sense—it involved three steps, relied on my life experience and understanding of the world, and could never have happened by random chance. But in a different sense, the plan was very simple, in that I crafted it in a very fast and “unreflective” way, such the S(G) thought never had a chance to pop up.

So that’s my framework. **To sum up:** The most powerful forms of brainstorming and planning involve a bunch of self-reflective thoughts, because you need to formulate a plan that will properly integrate with how your own mind works, now and in the future. So, as a rule, if we’re skillfully brainstorming and planning towards some goal G, then it’s almost certainly the case that the corresponding self-reflective S(G) has positive valence. There are exceptions, which I called “impulsive brainstorming” in [§3.5.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde/p/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8#3_5_2_An_edge_case__impulsive_planning), but those exceptions tend to involve plans that are relatively fast, simple, and centered around motor-control rather than attention-control.

By contrast, the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model (CISM) “explains” the same set of facts by positing that the Active Self does brainstorming and planning towards things that it “wants”, and that it “wants” the G’s for which S(G) is positive valence. I think CISM doesn’t have a *great* way to explain “impulsive brainstorming” ([§3.5.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/qhdHbCJ3PYesL9dde/p/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8#3_5_2_An_edge_case__impulsive_planning)), but impulsive brainstorming is sufficiently minor and unimportant that CISM can get away with glossing over it by mumbling something like “I wasn’t thinking”, even if that’s nonsensical when taken literally.

8.5.6 Example 6: Willpower
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Here’s a different continuation of the scene from Example 3 (“I want to get out of bed, but I can’t, this pillow just feels so soft … ughhhhhhhhhh”):

***Statement:*** “I’m just going to get out of bed through sheer force of will. Grrrr … … And I’m standing up!”

***Intuitive model:*** As above, the Active Self “wants” to get out of bed, but is being stymied by the comfortable feeling of the pillow. The Active Self “applies willpower” in order to get its way—some mental move that’s analogous to “applying force” to move a heavy desk while redecorating. It’s conceptualized as “wanting” more intensely and with more “vitalistic force”.

***How I describe this using my framework:*** As above, we have two systematic patterns (in this particular context): Pattern P1 is the fact that *self-reflective* thoughts concerning being-out-of-bed, like “myself being out of bed” or “myself getting out of bed”, tend to trigger positive valence. Pattern P2 is the fact that *non*-self-reflective thoughts concerning the feeling of the pillow tend to trigger positive valence.

And also as above, these can both correspondingly trigger brainstorming and planning. When “myself being out of bed” is on my mind, that’s positive valence, so it triggers brainstorming towards getting out of bed. And when “the feeling of the pillow” is on my mind, that’s positive valence, so it triggers brainstorming towards staying in bed. The valences need not be equally strong, so either side might win out. But there’s an additional thumb on the scale that comes from the fact that brainstorming-towards-getting-out-of-bed has a bigger search space, particularly involving attention-control strategies flowing through my intuitive self-model. By contrast, brainstorming-towards-staying-in-bed stops feeling positive-valence as soon as we view it in a self-reflective frame, so those kinds of attention-control strategies will feel unappealing.

Now, as it turns out, there’s a very simple, obvious, one-size-fits-all, attention-control strategy for making pretty much anything happen. Since it involves attention control, this strategy is disallowed for the staying-in-bed brainstorm, but it *is* an option for the getting-out-of-bed brainstorm.

Here’s the (obvious) strategy: Apply voluntary attention-control to keep S(getting out of bed) at the center of attention. Don’t let it slip away, no matter what.

This strategy is what we call “applying willpower”. Naively, it might seem to be an unbeatable strategy. If S(getting out of bed) remains at center-stage in our minds, then that will keep the feeling of the pillow blocked from conscious awareness. And since S(getting out of bed) is positive valence, the brainstorming / planning process will proceed all the way to the execution phase, and bam, we’re out of bed.

It’s so simple! The interesting question is: why doesn’t that *always* work? Let’s pause for an aside.

### 8.5.6.1 Aside: The “innate drive to minimize voluntary attention control”

Recall that [valence comes ultimately from “innate drives”, a.k.a. “primary rewards”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/SqgRtCwueovvwxpDQ/valence-series-2-valence-and-normativity#2_5_How_does_valence_get_set_and_adjusted_)—eating-when-hungry is good, pain is bad, etc., along with various social instincts like the [“drive to feel liked / admired”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LaeP39jJpfPyoiSZm/valence-series-4-valence-and-liking-admiring#4_4_An_innate__drive_to_feel_liked___admired_), and much more. The exact list of human innate drives is as yet unknown to Science, and happens to be a major research interest of mine.

So here’s my hypothesis for one of those yet-to-be-discovered innate drives: **Voluntary attention control is innately negative-valence**, other things equal. In particular:

*   *Weak* applications of voluntary attention control (which can be easily overridden by involuntary attention, random thoughts popping up, etc.) makes a thought *slightly* more negative-valence, other things equal.
*   *Strong* applications of voluntary attention control (that can maintain attention even in the face of those kinds of distractions) makes a thought *much* more negative-valence, other things equal.
*   Depending on your mood and so on, the proportionality constant relating voluntary-attention-strength to negative-marginal-valence might be higher or lower; these proportionality constants (imperfectly) correlate with “finding it easy versus hard to concentrate”.

So that’s a hypothesis. To flesh out my case that this alleged innate drive actually exists, let’s go over [the usual three questions](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7kdBqSFJnvJzYTfx9/a-theory-of-laughter):

*   *Is this alleged innate drive evolutionarily plausible?* Yes! There’s obviously a reason that we evolved to have involuntary attention, and random thoughts popping up, and so on. Such thoughts are sometimes useful! That’s why our brain algorithm is doing that in the first place! So, if voluntary attention is blocking that process, that’s (other things equal) a bad thing, and it makes evolutionary sense to account for that opportunity cost via negative valence. (Of course, there are simultaneously other factors at play, including every *other* innate drive, such that the voluntary attention can be positive-valence *on net*.) Moreover, the opportunity cost of suppressing those random thoughts is presumably systematically different in different situations, so it makes perfect sense in general that the proportionality constant may be higher or lower across moods, situations, etc.
*   *Is this alleged innate drive neuroscientifically plausible?* Yes! I don’t want to get into exactly how voluntary attention-control works in the brain, but let’s just say there’s some pathway; and on general principles, it’s perfectly possible for the brainstem to get a signal indicating generally how much activity there is in this pathway, and to decrease valence accordingly. (Does such a signal really exist, with that effect? Can we measure it? In principle, yes. In practice, I don’t think anyone has done such an experiment as of yet.)
*   *Is this alleged innate drive compatible with psychology, including everyday experience?* I think so! There’s a nice analogy between attention control and motor control here. By and large, leaving aside fidgeting, the more you exert your muscles, the more negative-valence this activity is, other things equal. This is due to another innate drive that evolved for obvious energy-preservation reasons. And, just like above, the proportionality constant can vary—we can be physically tired, or energetic. In fact, I think there’s *such* a strong structural parallel between the “innate drive to minimize voluntary attention control” versus the “innate drive to minimize voluntary motor control”, that people tend to intuitively bundle them together and assume (incorrectly[^razpgd447ke]) that they *both* derive from energy preservation. Hence the intuitive appeal of the famously-incorrect psych result that [glucose supposedly reverses “ego depletion”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_depletion).
    

### 8.5.6.2 Back to Example 6

Where were we? There’s a goal G (getting out of bed) such that the self-reflective S(G) (myself getting out of bed) is also positive-valence. This enables the more powerful version of brainstorming, the kind of brainstorming where the strategy space includes plans that leverage attention-control in conjunction with my understanding of my own mind. One such plan is the really simple, one-size-fits-all plan to use attention-control to hold S(G) very firmly in mind, so firmly that any thought that might otherwise kick it out (i.e., the comfortable feeling of the pillow) can’t squeeze in. We call this plan “applying willpower” to get out of bed.

Now, we can see why this one-size-fits-all plan doesn’t always work. The plan involves applying voluntary attention control to keep S(G) firmly in mind. This plan gets a positive-valence boost from the fact that S(G) has positive valence. But the plan *also* gets a negative-valence penalty from the “innate drive to minimize voluntary attention control” above. Thus, if the plan involves too much voluntary attention on S(G), it winds up with negative valence *on net*, and [my brain kicks that thought out and replaces it with something else](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/As7bjEAbNpidKx6LR/valence-series-1-introduction). On the other hand, if the plan involves too *little* voluntary attention on S(G), then the oh-so-appealing thought of the comfortable pillow may successfully bubble up and kick S(G) out of consciousness. Thus, “applying willpower” sometimes works, but also sometimes doesn’t, as we know from everyday experience.

This whole section was a discussion within my own framework. Thus, “applying willpower” points to a real-world psychological phenomenon, but we can explain that phenomenon without any of those problematic intuitions related to the Active Self, vitalistic force, “wanting”, or free will.

8.6 Conclusion of the series
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Thanks for joining me on this 45,000-word journey! I for one feel very much less confused about a great many topics now than I was before. Hope you found it helpful too! Thanks to everyone who shared comments, criticisms, and experiences, both before and after initial publication—the series is very much different and better than it would have been otherwise! Keep ’em coming!

8.6.1 Bonus: How is this series related to my job description as an Artificial General Intelligence safety and alignment researcher?
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Well, I don't want to overstate how related it is. That's why I wrote it fast, aiming just for the big picture rather than the details. But I think the time I spent was worthwhile.

So here are the five main directly-work-relevant things that I got out of writing these eight posts:

**First,** my top-priority research project right now is coming up with plausible hypotheses for **how human social instincts work**, which I believe to mainly revolve around little cell groups in the hypothalamus and brainstem (details [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qusBXzCpxijTudvBB/my-agi-safety-research-2022-in-review-and-plans#2__Second_half_of_2022__1_3___My_main_research_project)). For example, I think there’s an innate [“drive to feel liked / admired”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LaeP39jJpfPyoiSZm/valence-series-4-valence-and-liking-admiring#4_4_An_innate__drive_to_feel_liked___admired_), related to social status seeking, but in order to build that drive, the genome must be somehow solving a very tricky “symbol grounding problem”, as discussed [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5F5Tz3u6kJbTNMqsb/intro-to-brain-like-agi-safety-13-symbol-grounding-and-human). Writing this series helped me eliminate a number of wrong ideas about how that works—for example, I now think that the hypothesis that I wrote down in [“Spatial attention as a “tell” for empathetic simulation?”](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7Pt9fogptmiSduXt9/spatial-attention-as-a-tell-for-empathetic-simulation) is wrong, as were a couple other ideas that I was playing around with. I have better ideas now—see my (later) post [Neuroscience of human social instincts: a sketch](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kYvbHCDeMTCTE9TAj/neuroscience-of-human-social-instincts-a-sketch)!

Why *exactly* was this series helpful for that research project? Well, the big problem with this research project is that there’s almost no direct evidence to go on, for the questions I’m trying to answer about human social instincts. For example, it’s nearly impossible to measure *anything whatsoever* about the human hypothalamus. It doesn’t show up in fMRI, EEG, etc., and even if it did, the interesting functionality of the hypothalamus is structured as microscopic clusters of neurons, all packed right next to each other (details [here](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4gaeWLhnnBvhamRke/book-review-the-heart-of-the-brain-the-hypothalamus-and-its#2_2__Clans_)). There’s lots of data about the *rodent* hypothalamus,[^6q4fa31q0yd] but I think human social instincts are importantly different from mouse social instincts. Thus, being able to scour the weirder corners of human psychology is one of the few ways that I can narrow down possibilities.

For example, if somebody “identifies with the universal consciousness”, do they still feel a “drive to feel liked / admired”? Empirically, yes! But then, what does that mean—do they want *the universal consciousness* to be liked / admired, or do they want *their conventional selves* to be liked / admired? Empirically, the latter! And what lessons can I draw from that observation, about how the “drive to feel liked / admired” works under the hood? I have an answer, but I was only able to find that answer by starting with a deep understanding of what the heck a person is talking about when they say that they “identify with the universal consciousness”. That turned out to be a very important nugget that I got out of writing this series. Again, the payoff is ~~in a forthcoming post~~ now published at: [Neuroscience of human social instincts: a sketch](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kYvbHCDeMTCTE9TAj/neuroscience-of-human-social-instincts-a-sketch).

**Second**, I sometimes talk about [**“the first-person problem”**](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QpHewJvZJFaQYuLwH/intro-to-brain-like-agi-safety-14-controlled-agi#14_3_Supervising_the_Thought_Assessors__and_the__first_person_problem_)** for brain-like AGI**: How might one transform third-person data (e.g. a labeled YouTube video of Alice helping Bob) into a AGI’s first-person preferences (“I want to be helpful”)? This almost certainly requires some mechanistic interpretability, which makes it hard to plan out in detail. However, writing this series makes me feel like I have a much better understanding of what we’d be looking for, how it might work, and what might go wrong. For example, if (*if!*) the AGI winds up with something close to the Conventional Intuitive Self-Model ([§3.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#3_2__The_Conventional_Intuitive_Self_Model_)), then *maybe*, while the AGI is watching the YouTube, we could find some data structure in its “mind” that we interpret as an X-helping-Y [frame](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_semantics_(linguistics)) with X=Alice and Y=Bob. If so, then we could edit that same frame to X=Active Self, Y=supervisor, and [make the resulting configuration trigger positive valence](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Hi7zurzkCog336EC2/plan-for-mediocre-alignment-of-brain-like-model-based-rl-agi). There’s still a lot that could go wrong, but again, I feel much more capable of thinking about these issues than I did before.

**Third**, this 8th post is all about **motivation**, a central topic in AI alignment. May it help spread clear and correct thinking in that area. I’ve already noticed the ideas in this post coming up in my AI-alignment-related conversations on multiple occasions.

**Fourth**,  I was intrigued by the observation that **social status** plays an important role in trance ([§4.5.4](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QAjmr323LZGQBEvd5/intuitive-self-models-4-trance#4_5_4_Trick_4__Find_a__possessor__who_you_see_as_high_status__a_leader_that_you_want_to_follow_)). That seemed to be an intriguing hint of something about how social status works. Alas, it turned out that social status was helpful for understanding trance, but *not* the other way around. Oh well. Research inevitably involves chasing down leads that don't always bear fruit.

**Fifth**, there’s the question of **sentience and moral patienthood**—of people, of animals, and especially of current and future AI systems. While I assiduously avoided *directly* talking about those topics ([§1.6.2](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FtwMA5fenkHeomz52/intuitive-self-models-1-preliminaries#1_6_2_Are_explanations_of_self_reports_a_first_step_towards_understanding_the__true_nature__of_consciousness__free_will__etc__)), I obviously think that this series (especially Posts 1–3) would be highly relevant for anyone working in that area.

Thanks again for reading! Please reach out (in the comments section or [by email](mailto:steven.byrnes@gmail.com)) if you want to talk about this series or whatever else.

*Thanks Simon Skade for critical comments on an earlier draft.*

Changelog
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Jan. 2026: I changed terminology, by replacing “homunculus” with “Active Self” everywhere (see [Post 3 changelog](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7tNq4hiSWW9GdKjY8/intuitive-self-models-3-the-homunculus#Changelog)). I also replaced several references to “a forthcoming post” to [the actual post](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kYvbHCDeMTCTE9TAj/neuroscience-of-human-social-instincts-a-sketch). No changes to the substance.

[^w5atxdd349c]: I’m referring to the neural circuits involved in “social instincts”. I have a short generic argument that such neural circuits have to exist here, and a more neuroscience-y discussion of how they might work here, and much more nuts-and-bolts neuroscience details in a forthcoming post Neuroscience of human social instincts: a sketch. 

[^c092t8oia3o]: More precisely: If there are deterministic upstream explanations of what the Active Self is doing and why, e.g. via algorithmic or other mechanisms happening under the hood, then that feels like a complete undermining of one’s free will and agency (§3.3.6). And if there are probabilistic upstream explanations of what the Active Self is doing and why, e.g. the Active Self wants to eat when hungry, then that correspondingly feels like a partial undermining of free will and agency, in proportion to how confident those predictions are. 

[^gyth0aspp56]: Recall that, if I’m thinking about the nice feeling of the pillow, that’s generally not self-reflective, but rather conceptualized as a property of the pillow itself, out in the world. See §3.3.2. 

[^razpgd447ke]: For one thing, if it’s true at all that voluntary attention-control entails more energy consumption than daydreaming, then the difference is at most a small fraction of the brain’s total 20 watt power budget. Compare that to running, which might involve generating 200 watts of mechanical power plus 600 watts of heat. It’s absurd to think that energy considerations would figure in at all. “Thinking really hard for five seconds” probably involves less primary metabolic energy expenditure than scratching your nose.For another thing, I think my evolutionary story makes sense. Evolution invests so much into building and training a human brain. The obvious cost of using your brain to think about X is the opportunity cost: it means you’re not using your brain to think about any other Y. It seems highly implausible that Evolution would be ignoring this major cost.For another thing, I think I can be mentally “tired” but not physically tired, and vice-versa. But be warned that it’s a bit tricky to think about this, because unpleasant physical exertion generally involves both attention control and motor control. Thus, “willpower” can somewhat substitute for “physical energy” and vice-versa. See “Example 1” here.Most importantly, there was never any good reason to believe that “the innate drive to minimize voluntary attention control” and “the innate drive to minimize voluntary motor control” have anything to do with each other, in the first place. They intuitively seem to be related, but this isn’t a situation where we should trust our intuitions to be veridical. In particular, there’s such a strong structural parallel between those two drives that they would feel related regardless of whether they actually were related or not. 

[^6q4fa31q0yd]: Although, even in the rodent hypothalamus, I believe that only a small fraction of those probably hundreds of little idiosyncratic neuron clusters have been characterized in enough detail to say what they do and how.