# Cruxes for overhang

Suppose a policy regime artificially restricts training compute.[^b57t6bcuh2g] Will this lead to rapid progress[^mlh644axnwa] later? Yes if and only if both the policy is suddenly reversed/evaded and progress can largely 'catch back up to where it would have been.' This post aims to identify crucial considerations for analyzing the possibility of *slowing AI progress causing faster progress later*.

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["Overhang" has many meanings](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/icR53xeAkeuzgzsWP/taboo-compute-overhang). In this post, there is an "overhang" to the extent that leading labs could quickly increase their systems' capabilities if they wanted to and were allowed to, especially by scaling up training compute. training compute if they wanted to and were allowed to. So overhang could be measured in orders of magnitude of training compute. If labs want and are allowed to increase capabilities, overhang entails faster progress. Faster progress seems bad for safety,[^qex4azd9e7q] so overhang seems bad for safety.

Four considerations affect the magnitude of overhang, its causes, and its implications:

1.  If a leading lab stops doing bigger training runs for a while and later resumes, will its growth in capabilities merely resume the old rate or will it catch up to where it would have been without a pause?
2.  If a policy regime (or perhaps another source of restriction) artificially limits training runs, will it be suddenly reversed/evaded or gradually lifted?
3.  How does AI progress affect AI progress?
4.  How bad is delayed but rapid progress?

Is overhang possible?
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If a leading lab stops doing bigger training runs for a while and later resumes, will its growth in capabilities (or training compute in particular) merely resume at the old rate or will it catch up to where it would have been without a pause?

The answer is somewhere in the middle, but I don't know where. Consider two simplified models of progress: there is an underlying progress-curve that labs catch up to when unpaused, or progress merely resumes at the old rate so pausing for time t slows down capabilities by t. The true model of progress determines not just whether overhang is possible but also whether a leading lab pausing progress burns its lead time or not.

Here are some cruxes:

*   If someone did a GPT-4-sized[^igbyg8rh279] training run in (say) 2018, how much weaker would it be than GPT-4? If someone did a (say) 1e28 FLOP training run now, how much weaker would it be than one done in a few years?[^ird6r1rvtjc]
*   If a leading lab wanted to do a 1e28 FLOP training run, could it do so (quickly and such that the model is accordingly powerful and marginal compute isn't ~wasted)? What would be the main difficulties? Why can't labs effectively increase training compute arbitrarily?

(Great historical analogues would provide evidence, but I doubt they exist. A great analogue would be a technology with an analogue of training compute which increases over time until an exogenous pause.)

(Rapid increases in funding or decreases in the cost of compute could cause labs to be able to quickly scale up training compute.[^vnafx8oz9pq] I don't discuss this possibility in this post since it's not related to labs slowing and then restarting suddenly.)

Will the policy regime be evaded or suddenly reversed?
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If a policy regime that limits training compute is stable and not evadable, then overhang doesn't matter—it doesn't matter what labs would do in the absence of the policy regime, since they're stuck with the policy regime.

So crucial properties of a policy regime are:

*   Can labs evade it?
    *   Depends on the policy's scope, enforcement details, and technical questions about how well large training runs can be detected and monitored
    *   Depends on *whether it's global* (and maybe *whether labs can move*; regardless, non-global regulation differentially boosts labs outside its jurisdiction); see below
*   Will it suddenly expire or be reversed?
    *   Depends on its effects
    *   Depends on what's going on outside of its reach
        *   Depends on the relative level of AI capabilities in different states

Of course, it depends on the training runs—monitoring all training runs of >1e26 FLOP is much easier than monitoring all training runs of >1e20 FLOP. Monitoring training runs above a given threshold gets harder over time by default as total available compute increases, but monitoring capabilities may improve.

For US domestic regulation: can the US unilaterally restrict the training runs of foreign companies? Can US companies evade US regulation on training runs by moving?[^l8xgk1u4z] The answers are mostly *I don't know*, with a bit of *it depends on the regulation*. Also note that super-strict US regulation could cause leading labs to try to leave, and even if labs couldn't effectively leave regulation could quickly cause US labs to become irrelevant (and US regulation to become largely irrelevant), unless the regulation applied globally (or was quickly reversed).[^ninihxqxh8q]

Would a (say) *ceiling on training compute* policy regime disappear suddenly? It seems plausible but far from inevitable.[^8gggzt6jn1v] Ways that could happen:

*   The policy expires at a certain date and the government doesn't renew it
*   The ceiling ends when a certain condition is met, and that condition is met
*   The government changes its mind and repeals the policy
    *   Because of changing attitudes on AI safety, risk, benefit, or the effects of the policy
    *   Because of a Sputnik moment or other concerns about adversaries
*   A different part of the government reverses the policy
    *   Especially that the courts find it illegal

One source of evidence: how frequently are similar policy regimes evaded or suddenly reversed (insofar as similar policy regimes exist)?

Policy implication: for ceilings, think about when your ceiling will end and what comes after. (Ideally get a policy like *auditing training runs with safety evals* or maybe *gradually increasing ceiling* rather than *ceiling that ends after a while*.)

Endogeneity
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The catch-up model is wrong in a simple way: learning from experience and iterating is important. A 1e28 FLOP training run would go better if you've done a 1e27 FLOP training run a year earlier. (How much better? I don't know.)

*But the catch-up model is also wrong in complex ways.* AI progress affects (inputs to) AI progress through various feedback loops.

*   AI tools may substantially accelerate research.
*   AI may generate substantial revenue. This enables and incentivizes greater spending.
*   AI progress and the promise of greater capabilities increases investment and enables and incentivizes spending.
*   AI progress increases a lab's access to talent (and averts their researchers quitting).
*   Sufficiently capable AI systems may generate relevant data.
    *   Or they may facilitate humans generating relevant data, such as a chatbot getting general language data, data on how users interact with chatbots, and data on how chatbots engage users.
*   Leading AI systems may seem more exciting, increasing the number of researchers working on paths to powerful systems and thus accelerating progress.
    *   On the other hand, frightening or socially disfavored capabilities may appear or seem likely to appear, potentially resulting in general disinclination to create highly capable AI agents or active prevention via public policy or corporate self-governance.

These feedback loops are net positive for progress. So 'catching back up' after e.g. pausing growth of training runs is even less realistic than we would otherwise have thought.

How bad is delayed but rapid progress?
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Here are some cruxes:

*   How much better is it to have (say) *two years' worth of progress*[^vc2opwakhn]* over two years* vs *two years of no progress followed by an instantaneous jump of two years' worth of progress*?
*   How much do powerful models help alignment research?
*   If progress is smooth rather than *delayed then rapid*, how much does that help cause good attitudes among AI developers, good governance responses, etc.? Are there important weak-AI societal challenges that society could better adapt to if progress is smoother?

It seems bad to rapidly progress through capability-levels near very dangerous models, since time is more valuable for AI safety 'near the end,' when there's more powerful models and more clarity about what powerful models look like and maybe general strategic clarity and open windows of opportunity.[^htqrthaqnai] Smoother progress can also help society prepare for powerful AI, and in particular help government, standard-setters, and auditors.

Miscellanea
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*   One nuance is to distinguish *stopping training* from *just stopping deployment*.
    *   Insofar as labs learn from training rather than deployment, just stopping deployment still allows labs to learn how to make more powerful models.
    *   The benefits of AI progress include boosting safety research and helping society prepare for more powerful systems; the latter benefit seems to largely require widespread deployment (but can be partially achieved by e.g. scary demos); the former could largely be achieved without widespread deployment if labs share their models with safety researchers.
*   Maybe you can separate *training compute* from *algorithmic progress* as inputs to AI. Maybe if labs aren't increasing training compute, they can focus on algorithmic progress. (Sounds very false; I'd guess they don't really trade off.[^hjwqg99jf6q])
*   Maybe labs face a tradeoff between making powerful models and making products. (Sounds false; I'd guess they don't trade off much.)
    *   So maybe if they're prevented from doing bigger training runs, their efforts are diverted to products.
    *   Or maybe if they're prevented from doing bigger training runs, eventually they pluck the low-hanging product fruit and shift to algorithmic progress.

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An abstract graph of overhang:

![](https://39669.cdn.cke-cs.com/rQvD3VnunXZu34m86e5f/images/5ae06e0e36e82f656cb68558cb8f9788bbf9419d7d4926ab.png)

*The x-axis is time; the y-axis can be *size of the largest training run *or*capabilities*. Red is default (no pause), purple is pause with near-full overhang, green is pause with no overhang, and blue is pause with some overhang. Whether the effect of a pause/slowing is closer to purple or green depends on uncertainties about the world and details of the pause/slowing.*

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Sometimes people say *slowing AI progress would be bad for AI safety because it would create a compute overhang and cause faster progress later*. This is far too strong: overhang clearly doesn't apply to some kinds of scenarios, like decreasing the diffusion of ideas or increasing the cost of compute. But even for capping training compute—the most central example of a policy that might create an overhang—overhang may not be a problem, as discussed above.

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*This post expands on my* [*"Quickly scaling up compute" in "Slowing AI: Foundations."*](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MoLLqFtMup39PCsaG/slowing-ai-foundations#11__Quickly_scaling_up_compute)

*Thanks to Rick Korzekwa, Matthew Barnett, Rose Hadshar, Jaime Sevilla, and Jeffrey Heninger for comments on a draft.*

[^b57t6bcuh2g]: Artificially capping training compute can have the downside of increasing multipolarity among labs, or equivalently burning leading labs' lead time. See my "Beware of increasing multipolarity" in "Slowing AI: Foundations." But this post is about when there's an overhang downside too. 

[^mlh644axnwa]: In this post, I'm interested in progress toward dangerous AI. 

[^qex4azd9e7q]: See e.g. my "Slower AI progress would be good" in "Slowing AI: Foundations." 

[^igbyg8rh279]: Epoch estimates GPT-4 used about 2e25 FLOP, which cost an estimated $40M. 

[^ird6r1rvtjc]: The literature on the pace of algorithmic progress is mostly not about language models. See Epoch's Algorithmic Progress. See also e.g. AI and Efficiency (Hernandez and Brown 2020), How Fast Do Algorithms Improve? (Sherry and Thompson 2021), Algorithmic Progress in Six Domains (Grace 2013), and A Time Leap Challenge for SAT Solving (Fichte et al. 2020). 

[^vnafx8oz9pq]: We can consider another two simplified models of progress for this scenario: lots of money can be efficiently converted to training compute and model capabilities depend on training compute alone, or the marginal benefit of spending is ~zero for training runs much larger than any past ones. Again, the truth is somewhere in between but I don't know where. 

[^l8xgk1u4z]: Another question (relevant to overhang insofar as it determines whether a policy regime would be evaded or reversed): how far behind the US is other states' AI progress, and how quickly would this change if the US restricted large training runs? If there was a strong restrictive policy regime in the US, how long until dangerous AI appears elsewhere? And how long until a Sputnik moment or the US otherwise becoming worried about foreign progress? (And insofar as a policy regime targets (say) LLMs, how does non-LLM progress affect US attitudes on foreign progres?). Separately, there are questions about international relations—what is the probability of a strong treaty on AI, and what does that depend on? 

[^ninihxqxh8q]: See generally my Cruxes on US lead for some domestic AI regulation. 

[^8gggzt6jn1v]: Some policies might need to be maintained for a long time to have a positive effect, and it might be very bad if they were repealed prematurely. 

[^vc2opwakhn]: Or: reach the capability-level that would be reached in two years by default. 

[^htqrthaqnai]: See my Slowing AI: Crunch time. 

[^hjwqg99jf6q]: Each of the explanations I can imagine for that phenomenon sounds implausible:- Lab staff can shift their labor from increasing training compute to making substantial algorithmic progress— kind of plausible, but I have a vague sense that AI-research labor doesn't funge that way.- Lab funding can similarly shift— I think labs aren't funding-constrained that way.- The lab was making substantially less algorithmic progress than it freely could have— why wasn't it?Also to some extent algorithmic improvements are unlocked by scale or only become optimal at larger scales.