# Decoupling vs Contextualizing Norms

| John Nerst: "To a *contextualizer*, decouplers’ ability to fence off any threatening implications looks like a lack of empathy for those threatened, while to a *decoupler,* the contextualizer's insistence that this isn’t possible looks like naked bias and an inability to think straight"[^j46xjc2rp4]. |
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**A cultural divide**
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A particularly thorny—yet very common—way for a discussion to break down is when participants strongly disagree about the correct scope of a discussion. If neither side is willing to compromise, progress often becomes impossible.

John Nerst identifies [a difference in expectations](https://everythingstudies.com/2018/04/26/a-deep-dive-into-the-harris-klein-controversy/) that is particularly prone to causing such issues:

| ### **What these norms entail:**[^4lfjo7fx185] |   |
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| **Decoupling norms** | People have a right to expect the truth of their claims to be considered on their own merits, with no obligation to pay heed to worries about the "broader context" or the "implications" of such speech. Insisting on raising these issues, despite a firm request to consider an idea in isolation, is likely a sign of careless reasoning or an attempt at deflection. |
| **Contextualizing norms** | Being a responsible actor necessarily involves considering certain contextual factors and implications when deciding what kinds of statements are acceptable. Not taking these factors into account most likely reflects limited awareness, a lack of care, or even deliberate evasion — especially if the speaker ignores an explicit request. |

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### **An example: Even-numbered birth year murderers**

Suppose data showed that people born in even-numbered years committed murders at twice the rate of the general population. Can you state this directly and, if so, must you issue a disclaimer?

A *decoupler* would tend to see it as unreasonable to object to a direct statement of facts. Here's an example of how someone with this viewpoint might think:

> Surely, as a citizen in a free society, I should just be able to state the truth directly? After all, we're *adults*. Additionally, we shouldn't have to issue disclaimers all the time. This kind of compelled speech makes it hard to speak frankly. They amount to soft censorship in the short term and risk creating a slippery slope toward harsher censorship in the long term. Furthermore, it impedes the scientific and intellectual progress that has raised both living conditions and moral standards.

However, *contextualizers* tend to see the situation quite differently. Here's one possible expression of this:[^87mpj7uggq]

> It would be deeply irresponsible to make statements that risk creating a stigma around even-numbered folk. Besides, is there any point in doing so? After all, you can't just assume that people born in an even year are criminal by default! *At the very least*, you should issue a disclaimer to prevent bad actors from using your words to push bad faith narratives. It's not as if that’s difficult! I'm not demanding that you say anything untrue, just that you exercise prudence with what you say regarding a few particularly charged issues.

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Truth vs. Harmony

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### **A word of caution: Against dogmatism**

For both norms, it's easy to think of situations where insisting on them seems dogmatic. Scott Alexander's excellent post,  [`📖 Weak men are superweapons`](http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweapons/) , lays out how true statements can be weaponized to destroy a group's credibility. If you have good reason to believe that someone is using this strategy against you, with the intent to cause serious harm, it would be shockingly naive to let them force you into strict adherence to decoupling norms.

On the other hand, it's a *very* common strategy[^6o1kubmtsy4] to frame every disliked action as part of someone's agenda (neoliberal, cultural Marxist, far-right—take your pick).

Agendas are real, but wielding "universal counter-arguments" is one of the easiest ways to ["mindkill"](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/9weLK2AJ9JEt2Tt8f/politics-is-the-mind-killer) yourself, so I strongly encourage you to be wary here.

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### **My position: Ultimately, it all comes down to wisdom**

Contextualizers are correct that it would be rather naive to make certain true statements in a situation that is sufficiently highly charged. But what counts as sufficiently charged and what limitations are reasonable in such a case?

Unfortunately, there isn't a simple answer here. It would be nice if there were, but I suspect that making the right choice ultimately requires wisdom.

Even if it is best for some conversations not to be *maximally* public, it still seems important for society's epistemics to preserve at least some spaces for decoupling-style conversations.[^94xfxzcz5yq] Such spaces create sites of resistance against cultural limitations arbitrarily imposed for political advantage, rather than genuinely serving the common good.

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The original source (of this distinction)

| **🎁 Extras** ------------- +++ ### **📝 Recap** — *consolidate key learnings* \\| **Executive summary**[^5pgbnoee9en]: In short, both decoupling and contextualizing norms have merit, but each also has flaws. Navigating this tension doesn’t come down to rules alone, but requires wisdom. That said, it's important to preserve at least some spaces for decoupled truth-seeking conversations to maintain a society's long-term epistemic health. \\| \\| --- \\| \\| ❦ \\| \\| **Key points**: **• Decoupling norms**: Ideas should be evaluated purely on their merits, without requiring disclaimers or concern for the broader implications of having the discussion—objections to this may be interpreted as political bias or deflection. **• Contextualizing norms**: Responsible communication requires considering the possible social or political consequences of the speech act, and ignoring them could be considered naive, careless, or evasive. **• Illustrative example**: The claim that “people born in even-numbered years commit more murders” highlights the clash—decouplers defend the right to state facts directly, while contextualizers worry about stigma and how malicious actors might weaponize such statements. **• Cautions against dogmatism**: Both approaches can be weaponized—strict decoupling can, in the worst case, mean standing aside while people coordinate towards genocide, while overzealous contextualizing can be used to derail discussions by invoking claims of hidden agendas. **• Author’s stance**: Context matters in highly charged situations, but the judgment of what counts as "excessively charged" ultimately requires wisdom rather than fixed rules. **• Importance of decoupling spaces**: Even if some discussions should be constrained, preserving decoupled forums is vital for epistemic health and as a safeguard against politically motivated suppression. \\| ++++++ ### **📚 Recommended reading** — *delve deeper* \\| [A Deep Dive into the Harris-Klein Controversy](https://everythingstudies.com/2018/04/26/a-deep-dive-into-the-harris-klein-controversy/) \\\\- John Nerst's original (and excellent!) post \\| \\| --- \\| \\| ❦ \\| \\| [Putanumonit](https://putanumonit.com/2018/05/06/the-context-is-conflict/) \\\\- Explores the relationship between decoupling and mistake/conflict theory \\| \\| ❦ \\| \\| [Relevance Norms; Or, Gricean Implicature Queers the Decoupling/Contextualizing Binary](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/GSz8SrKFfW7fJK2wN/relevance-norms-or-gricean-implicature-queers-the-decoupling) \\\\- Argues that the real distinction isn't how much people contextualize, but what they consider to be "relevant context". "The concept of "contextualizing norms" has the potential to legitimize derailing discussions for arbitrary political reasons by eliding the key question of which contextual concerns are genuinely relevant, thereby conflating legitimate and illegitimate bids for contextualization. Real discussions adhere to what we might call "relevance norms": it is almost universally "eminently reasonable to expect certain contextual factors or implications to be addressed." Disputes arise over which certain contextual factors those are, not whether context matters at all." \\| ++++++ ### **👏 Acknowledgements** — *credit where credit is due* \\| Hat tip to [prontab](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/8fnch2/high_decouplers_and_low_decouplers/) for sharing this article. He actually uses low decoupling/high decoupling, but I prefer avoiding double negatives. Both John Nerst and prontab passed up the opportunity to post on this topic here, so I decided to pick up the baton. \\| \\| --- \\| +++ |
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[^j46xjc2rp4]: This quote is slightly edited. It also serves as a TL;DR. 

[^4lfjo7fx185]: Honestly, this is more of a spectrum than a binary. However, it is easier to explain as a binary. 

[^87mpj7uggq]: I'm sure many people will want to point out that this does not really represent the average view held by contextualizers. Sure, this only represents a more sympathetic contextualizer, but I think that's perfectly fine as it makes sense to engage with the most defensible version of a viewpoint. 

[^6o1kubmtsy4]: "Strategy" — I don't mean to imply that it's always, or even typically, consciously chosen.  

[^94xfxzcz5yq]: Eliezer's Local Validity as a Key to Sanity and Civilisation articulates the importance of such conversations well. 

[^5pgbnoee9en]: This recap is a hand-edited version of the SummaryBot output.